Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 496: Leopold and Loeb Part II - A Spirit of Adventure

Episode Date: June 18, 2022

In part two of the story of Leopold and Loeb, news of the dead boy's body begins to circulate and we learn how a simple pair of tortoise shell eyeglasses would seal the fate of the villainous duo.

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It has to be oh we have a time crunch I made it I guess you did welcome to the last podcast with Henry and Marcus hope everyone is doing well out there today we are on to part two of the love story between Leopold and Loeb I have a question up top I want to maybe as we do the episode I would like to maybe see if we can answer or maybe we can do address as we go why do two rich boys and this is common I was watching a date line last night same thing rich kid who wanted to become a killer and commit the perfect crime right yeah it's so annoying that's the concept right and it's same thing as Leopold and Loeb it's these two like the little teeny tiny pre-ubermentions was this the kids who pretended

to be like ghost face from scream and they filmed themselves and then after they'd committed the murder they were like oh no no well this is specifically socioeconomic factors mixed with like a type of intelligence right like high level intelligent little kids who want to do the perfect crime but they fuck it up even though they have all of these resources and all these trainings and all they do is fuck it up in the most immediate way possible to be honest it's not easy but why then do drooling psychopaths are people bent with like the fervent hallucinations people like Jeffrey Dahmer Ed Gein people they are able to have criminal careers that last for decades why is it that why what is what what's the

deal what's the deal well I think this is that I think this is a question that will better be answered in episode three when we truly get into the psychology of Leopold and Loeb as was laid out by their defense lawyer but I think a lot of it does have to do with the socioeconomic status of the victims and I would also say that we are talking about Leopold and Loeb because they were caught and I would imagine there are quite a few rich kids who did these sorts of murders and got away scot-free baron trump I know baron trump is six foot seven technically the most innocent trump at this point I will say this it's because they wanted a spanking they wanted to be not yeah so when we last left Leopold

and Loeb the body of their murder victim Bobby Franks had just been found by pump workers in a drainage pipe at Wolf Lake where Leopold and Loeb had stuffed the body just hours before making Manicotti this discovery was extraordinarily bad for Leopold and Loeb's plan because in order for their kidnapping scheme to work the Franks family had to believe that their son was still alive see Leopold and Loeb but believe that they were such master criminals so as to render the body impossible to find and their backup plans even if it was found the body would never be identified because they'd so ingeniously poured hydrochloric acid on the face and the genitals it's just really sad how ironically possible it was

to find they put it in somebody's workplace they may as well just laid it on the buffet table in a ponderosa this is where I feel like the concept of the ubermensch plays into it as well this idea that they believe that they were so superior but you know and that they had already committed the perfect crime it's not that they were in fact in the middle of committing the perfect crime is that they've already done it and then there's no way anybody could possibly follow up on anything that they're doing right I think it's also a little bit of a case of rich kid laziness and rich kid arrogance that's the ubermensch it's the flaw of the ubermensch quote unquote but I think it's even it's not like ubermensch is given

that way too much credit because I think with them they could have very easily moved the body to a different place because they got to the remember they got to the drainage pipe and they found that the drainage pipe was too small to fit the body because remember they had also switched victims at the last moment they had other big they had a whole list of victims of people that could fit into the pipe and they switched oh fuck let's do Bobby instead and never thought oh Bobby's might be too big for the drainage pipe but they were too lazy to find another place and even though Bobby's feet were sticking out of the drainage pipe they still said fuck it let's go home whatever we did it but we

do know that actually you can't just pour acid on a body and dissolve it I looked it up there's a serial killer John George Hague who used sulfuric acid to dissolve bodies but what you have to do is you have to completely submerge them in a barrel and it took two days to melt the body and that's sulfuric acid these guys what Leopold and Loeb didn't use sulfuric acid to try and melt the body's face they used hydrochloric acid and all the hydrochloric acid did was brown out part of Bobby Franks' face it looks just like a dark birthmark and as we all know genitals are not usually a part of the body identification process no matter what Nathan Leopold had heard.

Well I bet you there's a couple of them that I would identify yeah if you saw mine you'd be like is that the mayor of Whoville whoa whoa my it curls up I'm taking care of my little brother he's my wonderful little man and I have to say this I'm totally coming around to being a little chunky if you have a kid and then also video games because you know they're they're too chunky to kidnap and then also you know exactly where they are because they're playing video games what I'm saying Leopold and Loeb if there was video games they would have probably not killed anybody and also this kid wouldn't have even been on the streets therefore everyone needs to gain more weight and play more games.

I just feel first of all this is an old school this is a Louis Anderson bit no about being fat makes you harder to kidnap I believe yeah and you're also all you're doing is you're advocating for the future the dystopian future by the way that is portrayed in the movie Wally that's what he wants Wally that's his ultimate expression Wally but this week on side stories he's pro slave labor no he said it you know I did not you said that it was good for the environment no I did not say that you were talking about Conan the barbarian and I said well at the very least he was a self he was a man he wasn't a machine and it was causing it was healthier to have Conan move your wheels you hear the big robot and

then I also said dementia might help you from not getting kidnapped because if you don't know where you're going no one knows where you are that's all it means nothing broke broke clock is right six times but even so on the morning after Leopold and lobe kidnapped Bobby Franks neither Leopold lobe nor the Franks family knew the Bobby Franks was dead although the Franks did know the Bobby had been kidnapped see if you'll remember on the night of the kidnapping Leopold and lobe had crammed into a telephone booth together they called the Franks house to tell them that their son had been kidnapped and as a result Bobby Franks's father Jacob Franks was in the process of putting together $10,000

in cash to pay the ransom the next morning do you think when Leopold and lobe first going to drive around scouting for victims that it was kind of fun for them to play being poor do you think they're like hey Leopold what if we get this what if we went and ate lunch at a Rowley's what if we did a Superman used to change clothes in a booth but he was faster than a speeding bullet couldn't he have just done it in plain sight and we went to even notice it's a fictional device and you are a huge fucking moron fantastic I know things to say when you just become negative because that's the thing then Clark Kent is just standing there and then suddenly Superman is standing in the exact same place yeah so exactly it

would be very obvious that Clark Kent is Superman it is truly already very obvious that Clark came to Superman but yeah I think that's part of his powers well we all know the only reason that no one thought Superman was Clark Kent is because no one thinks Superman can read he's not from around here we could have just bullied Superman all like smoother ever did was try to play on the xenophobia of Superman's alien see again man long live long enough to see himself become the villain but even though Bobby Frank's body hadn't yet been identified news of a naked dead boy found in a drainage pipe traveled fast and the story was published in the afternoon edition of the Chicago Daily News new dead boy yeah excellent yes I put

this right in front of Garfield I bet you Garfield was around were there newsies in this era was this golden age newsies my friend if you're a newsie this news must have hit hard that day because it's one of your people oh yeah you're like no John well honestly I feel like actually it's kind of nice because it's less competition oh yeah you're like yeah fuck yeah another week child gone and when the naked dead boy story hit someone told the Frank's family lawyer that someone should go down to the morgue to see if the naked dead boy was Bobby so Bobby's uncle went and after he identified the body Jacob Frank's was told that his son was dead and sadly his uncle did identify the body solely

by its channels and this just needs to more questions than answers and I don't I don't like what's happening here you know what I also appreciate this time period is that the father never had experienced trauma other than the war as that he had trauma though all he had to do was go to the war and then he came back and he never had to see and or hear an unpleasant thing ever again he had to go work obviously he was doing unpleasant things because he was running Sears roebuck or whatever at the point whichever which one of these was no no no Sears that the guy who ran Sears roebuck that was Richard Loeb's father either way they're businessmen they're already making terrible decisions but I don't see it right

and so but yeah just sending the lawyer to go look at your son's body and he's like oh right okay well the reason why is because they didn't want to upset the mother flora like they didn't want to say they didn't want flora to know like because if it turned out that it wasn't his body then there would be no reason to upset floors is like why don't you go take care of this and they called him up and said I got some bad news and every single time she gets upset she squirts webs out of her cloaca which is why they didn't hate cleaning up because honestly some of those big size human mother webs are incredibly strong so you just feel like this would be the time for you to demean the mother of a

victim it's a hundred years ago okay yeah therefore it's fine yeah okay but just after Frank's was told the news when he was still in shock Leopold and Loeb called the Frank's house with further instructions they said hey there is George Johnson speaking there will be a yellow cab in your door in ten minutes get into it and proceed immediately to the drugstore in 1465 east in 63rd street but since Jacob already knew that his son was dead Frank's just walked outside when the yellow cab pulled up and paid the man for his troubles then sent him on his way never seen a dead boy this horrible day in the meantime though Leopold and Loeb believed that their plan was on a solid track so they continued the setup of

the elaborate ransom delivery plan that we discussed last week it's a project I guess didn't they hear the news that everyone else heard the news that there was a dead boy oh yeah that's a thing just as they were putting the final touches on their master scheme they happened to walk past a newsstand that featured an unmissable headline that said something along the lines of naked boy found in drain pipe but wait a second what if that's not our naked boy because there was that naked boy parade I think that was just at the Clemenson's home and yeah they were choosing a new son but you know all of those boys get scattered to the orphan holds right right now Richard figured hey there's no point in continuing

all this if the body has already been found now it's just oh now it's ruined they ruined it but Nathan figured hey maybe they haven't identified the dead naked boy yet but when Jacob Franks didn't show up at the drug store from the yellow cab they sent Nathan conceded that the plan was kaput so both of them went to their respective homes at around 4pm with full knowledge that they'd fucked up their perfect crime no it's not low but hey we said that made me fucking horny don't you fuck around with me you have sex with me you back scuttled me that's another term I found for 1920s for gay men and back scuttlers very fun back scuttlers wow back scuttling and it's all like I think it's about getting down

on your hands and knees and crawling backwards like you fucked up crap we'll have a good time with it also Henry informed me that in the early 1900s heterosexuality was defined and it was actually originally defined as a disgusting love of women an abnormal and excessive fascination with the opposite sex that's how it was defined in 1901 interesting you know my favorite euphemism has always been the beast with two backs oh yeah yeah because I mean honestly though I thought ass to ass wasn't invented until 2001 and recurring for a dream oh no that was just what it got that's just when it got monetized and put on on the big screen pre-911 man the world was simpler the requiem for a dream was not simple it was

quite complex I know but it was very simple all they wanted was heroin yeah but it's tough to get yeah and I'm sure there were people taking devices and putting them in each other's asses and going back and forth and back and forth decades centuries millennium before the first person defecated they were jamming something in there I actually also had a listener email say that the first instance of a blow job ever depicted was in a hieroglyph wow yeah man we've been sucking dick since the fucking weed crawled out of the river people have been horny forever and people have had blue sense of humor because Henry this is actually I'm giving you two compliments here he also informed me the first joke of

all time involves a woman farting on somebody's cock yeah yeah yeah great yeah and chips blow each other right oh yeah every animal blows each other dolphins are known to have sex with one I did read that they they have sex with inanimate objects for pleasure alone like there was one example of a dolphin fucking a beheaded fish like you just took a stick like a slush like a wiggle around shit okay back to story huh alright fantastic now naturally a story about a dead boy mangled and stuffed in a drainage pipe was big news and even though it hadn't yet been announced that the victim was a society boy the Leopold house was still a Twitter with the newest true crime story of the day time to ring the naked boy bell

now all this gossip made Nathan a little uncomfortable so he went out for a walk outside he ran into his English teacher Mott Mitchell who coincidentally would soon become a suspect in the Bobby Franks murder himself oh well Mott had heard that the victim had been identified as Bobby Franks but Nathan of course denied knowing the boy I don't know that boy and he's like I didn't ask you know I didn't ask I didn't know him I didn't kill him and I won't kill him and I won't kill again okay weird conversation I'm just gonna go and I certainly won't kill you in a perfect crime by definition is no longer perfect because you just threatened me with that unless I didn't do it without being caught then it is the most perfect

crime I was a horrible teacher to you and I'm sorry I didn't teach you anything I wish you had reached out to me I know yeah actually I think they might have they might have blown each other oh wow that's how it is man the queen's English back scuttle in his back and back oh mama sita Richard Loeb meanwhile who is a different kind of sociopath he reveled in the story he discussed it at length with a few college buddies who were all journalism students at the University of Chicago this is the next day do you think that one of the killers was blonde I don't know because I've heard that one of the killers was impossibly handsome you the killer man I wish I was okay now one of these college students one of these

buddies was an actual student journalist for the school newspaper and he noted that Richard Loeb seemed to have an insider's view of the murder now this wasn't immediately a red flag because Richard Loeb was Bobby's second cousin after all well when Richard took the journalism students to the drugstore where Jacob Franks was supposed to contact the kidnappers to impress his friends with a location scoop it was noted again that maybe Richard knew a little bit too much about this case yeah he's just real into it in an almost a psychic fashion yeah man I mean the smoking man from that fantastic television show that we all know in love no no I wanted to see what okay yeah what did you think it was blumper in

the bitch now he's making it up but I'm saying is usually the usually the deep throat isn't also the perpetrator sure yes they're not supposed well furthermore Richard seemed to both brag about being Bobby's second cousin while also maligning him Richard called Bobby an arrogant selfish spoiled boy and he even went so far as to say that if he was gonna murder anybody and I mean anybody anybody Bobby was just the kind of quote cocky little son of a bitch he'd pick he was just was it five or six how old is he he was 14 oh yeah he could be cocky I guess but sure it doesn't matter he's 14 yeah but strangely though this statement didn't raise any eyebrows because I suppose it was just chalked up to Richard

just being richer that's a thing I don't think these guys are very good at being journalists the asshole part of it kind of blends the whole thing together because he again he just he acted in character as it was right a roast as dark as the night perfect for fueling the cryptid research and mad ravings required for your podcasting don't mind the red eyes he's just trying to warn you of the bridge the bridge finally from the caffeine addled brains of Spring Hill Jack coffee and last podcast on the left we bring you mothman's red eye blend yes delicious Panama beans go to last podcast merch dot com to order yours today now once the murder of Bobby Franks became big news the Chicago police chief held

a press conference and made the murder sound much more heinous than it actually was calling it one of the most brutal murders the Chicago PD had ever come across now that's absolutely not true no because remember h.h. Holmes what not long ago when you had a good reason for it I thought was really interesting yeah I mean even though Bobby Franks was murdered the 1919 rape and murder of a Chicago six-year-old named Janet Wilkinson had been far worse and that's not even counting the hundreds of gangland slangs that had drowned Chicago in blood since prohibition began when I was doing a little bit of research of the rise of the mafia in Chicago it really is kind of wild how many mass murders took place like yeah and because

again it's in the past which is like you know I jokingly said it's fun to make fun of the woman because 100 years ago well they would be dead now anyway yeah but the idea but looking back in time at that time period it was an active land war happening in Chicago right that they were currently also fight so they're fighting this land war kind against themselves because they're also slowly but surely the cops are which we'll see is a trend are becoming the mafia in Chicago and that war is tearing the city apart as well great food city though oh yeah that's how you get it when you combine mafia and cops that's actually how you get good food yeah but making this murder seem bigger than it was was the entire point a

big stinky murder that wasn't of the gangland persuasion distracted the public from how bad of a job the Chicago police were doing enforcing prohibition and it distracted from just how many gangland murders had gone unsolved or prevented by said police in addition the new mayor of Chicago William Deaver had campaigned on ending the trade of a legal liquor in Chicago but at this point in history Chicago was nevertheless rapidly becoming the property of one Al Capone I just see these guys saying like we are definitely going to stop the flow of that hey does devil alcohol for this city meanwhile like you could just see the whiskey yeah so in their mustache absolutely brown liquid just goes down their chin that's what

I was thinking as well if you're a police officer a detective anyone works in homicide I mean the death rates are so high if they don't have alcohol they're just gonna end up killing people also like I feel like what else do you do to unwind when you're a hardened detective prohibition was a massive mistake yeah it was an area cemented a massive could be corrupt angle of many local governments and and it's never left I'm just so happy you're getting political I mean this is as far as I go no absolutely and and this is also during this time Al Capone was not quite yet a boss this is more like the time of Johnny Torio but this is around the time that it started transitioning from Torio over in the

Capone and that was the bloodiest transition because Torio was the guy who did everything you gotta be able to have conversations it was all peaceful so it was all like this is business this is in a war we got we gotta look out each for each other and Al Capone's like hey I'll kill everybody yeah he just wanted to be in charge it's pretty cool city is eating itself he does remind me of the penguins origin story the Batman and am I sexually attracted to Robert Pattinson yes yeah so to distract from all that cops focused on high-profile crimes that could be solved or at least closed you know those are two very different things yes and they investigated the murder of Bobby Franks with a vigorous

helping of police brutality and unconstitutional behavior to speed the process along detective Peterson come over here you see this case file it's open yeah yeah see you but now it's not solved right yeah you know this is incredible because I'm new to the force yeah whoa you just close it with your hands like that I just close it and now you see this little file here well you put it right in there well we just close we just saw the crime let's go get it yeah let's go get quote-unquote some medicine liquid from the pharmacist fantastic now the first suspect pool for the Bobby Franks murder was the faculty of the Harvard School for boys so the day after the body was identified investigators rounded up and roughly interrogated

every instructor in the school using everything from unlawful imprisonment to rubber hose beating I I looked up how they beat up beat you up with the rubber hose like what they do so the idea at the time was a it would it would be inappropriately bruises on their face oh yeah and because at the time police brutality was and I guys were more humble it was frowned upon okay but it was considered an active interrogation tactic I mean different from now obviously definitely definitely they don't do this anymore at all they don't know the idea that they but police brutality was considered a part of the normal interrogation process so what they but they wanted to do is that they couldn't put you on the stand

with bruises on your face because then we're like okay but so they would do is they'd fill a rubber hose a piece of industrial like a length of it like three feet in length they'd fill it with dirt and then they rip they cordon off the two sides of it yeah and then just beat they'll ever live and fuck out of you and they said that it didn't cause bruises but a homemade Billy club I don't know man no I feel like at my brew I bruise very easily what's kind of interesting about this is the teachers at this all boys school you know for a fact there's at least five percent pedophiles in there so at least they got a scare that day you are you are literally saying talking points from the chief of the Chicago police

said yes you are this guy he's a good guy I like this guy you very much are the but the yeah yeah you you're you're definitely still on that everyone's a pedophile trap no I said five percent I said five percent 95% not pedophile look on the bright side guys now the reasoning for going after teachers first was threefold first every teacher knew Bobby Franks and knew that Jacob Franks was rich so it could be safely assumed that the $10,000 ransom would be paid second $10,000 was more than five years salary for an instructor at the Harvard school for boys which gave ample motive oh yes but lastly and most importantly for the future of the investigation the ransom note was so well written that it was correctly

surmised that only a highly educated snoot box could have written it which narrowed the suspect pool and prohibition era Chicago considerably and honestly if you do read the ransom note we covered it a little bit last week but I'll read this last little paragraph you see what they're talking about is a final word of warning this is a strictly commercial proposition and we are prepared to put our threat into execution should we have reasonable grounds simply that you have committed an infection of the above instructions however should you carefully follow up your instructions to the letter we can assure you that your son will safely be returned to you within six hours of our receipt of the money but it's

very no there's no like gunk on it no stank on it there's no like there's no fat cats there's no dornier lists of shout outs like there's nothing like there's no fun in it and again they thought that did like well obviously some stuff shirt asshole wrote this don't corner the donor also did you say receipt yes and there was no spelling mistakes whatsoever no they thought this absolutely has to be an educated person spelled Beverly wrong and additionally Jacob Frank's address had been handwritten on the envelope containing the first ransom letter and the penmanship obviously suggested that it came from a capable educated hand dearest all yours forever yours Nathan Leopold George Jax this also shows

actually ironically a level of stupidity they should have dumbed it down perhaps if they didn't want people to know what kind of class they belong to well that's why every from now on everybody does it now they know you don't you have that's why they purposely misspell things you all about throwing cops on them okay well in the beginning this information placed the focus of the investigation on the instructors at the Harvard boys school and well yes some had engaged in suspicious activity let me finish suspicious activity wind looked through the lens of a child murder investigation thing most of these men were just teachers and we're unfairly maligned probably 95% were unfairly maligned 5% of the teachers at this

boys school are sometimes a false flag is still a flag yeah there is a flag happen it's a truth flag well the one thing the only thing that I argue with is that you say that just because somebody works at a boys school it means that they're more likely to be a pedophile than not and that's what I take honestly it doesn't make them less likely if you work in a Burger King odds are you eat more Burger King so you have access to boys exactly that's the thing it's where I'm calling boys are I am calling false equivalency sir false equivalency hamburgers are not boys I don't know have you ever put a boy between two months all right it's an idiot sandwich Gordon Ramsey as far as being unfairly maligned let's start with

a math teacher named Walter Wilson Walter Wilson had once taken the Franks children on an excursion to Riverside and hadn't returned with the boys until 1 a.m. but there wasn't anything untoward about the late arrival that's what the cop said he was probably hammered with my math teacher told 1 a.m. but sometimes yeah I don't go with my history teacher for like all we really did was watch old Flintstones cartoons watching do bong rips and he just said don't leave don't leave don't leave you're my wife now but the whole time I was like well when are we looking oh I see you flipped it but since Wilson didn't even have a girlfriend much less a wife and since he didn't know any young ladies in Chicago police assumed

he was a pedophile how many times have you hung out with a eight-year-old till 1 a.m. I mean how many times isn't your child I don't even want a child just because but if he had a wife they would have said not totally fine totally cool he was probably just gay or he had bad luck with the ladies he's weird me losses watch yeah who knows I found it inside Bobby oh mama well this accusation of pedophilia was also assumed of athletics coach Richard Williams and English teacher Mont Mitchell the latter of which had spoken to Nathan Leopold the day of the murder both Williams and Mitchell were questioned for five hours by police who beat them with a rubber hose to elicit a confession but dog meet again

you say this with such derision they had to sign a paper after confessing saying that the confession was completely of their own choice I don't think that's where you don't understand that the rubber hose it just leads them to the conversation oh I see like a cocktail hour at a wedding oh that is nice however I will concede that these two were a little more suspicious than the others I'll concede that I'll concede that I'll concede that see Williams had come under scrutiny because police had found an unknown brown liquid in his home now I keep shitting a jar you got a problem with it yeah bro fucking feces is public domain right I mean a copyright to keep a jar shit of my own like the poo well this

related to the Frank's murder because if you'll remember while Leopold and Lowe but believe they could disfigure the corpse's face beyond recognition with hydrochloric acid the caustic chemical just sort of stained it brown the part about it that was a little suspicious and remember this was common practice at the time I'm not defending pedophiles I'm defending your your proven guilty and you have to have due process what this brown liquid was a lotion that Williams rubbed into his students muscles I am a coach okay he's a coach so I did something accurate 20 minutes ago and then you have completely agreed with me but somehow you're saying I'm wrong I did not completely agree with you at all you're saying 5% you don't

even know how many teachers were at the school so how are you doing these percentages sir show your math show your math I'm gonna step in and say dog meet he's obviously not crunching the numbers but there is there was kernel of truth and again and this does then feature into and I'm not going to again I'm with Kissel I'm not going to give him the broken clock algorithm like saying I'm not going to say that he's correct but technically in a way Kissel is correct the is being correct no allegorical broken clock currently mm-hmm well benefit if 5% of people who teach at boys schools are pedophiles who are gonna get to teach all these boys 95% of the other teachers we just need more discipline pedophiles and know to

keep their hands themselves because then again because then they love the work they're really building these kids minds I don't think that's right they just need more training yeah well Montmichael I will admit he did edge much closer to pedophile territory he did have a reputation for having sex with his teenage students he did have that there was that but I'm not gonna say that 5% and just say it's one guy one bad apple Ben he's a coach yeah he's trying to get him ready to first outing this is the teacher that's the English teacher yeah yeah yeah he's gonna stop calling himself a coach then I don't know what he's using that whistle for exactly but and he also had a $10,000 mortgage the exact amount that the

kidnappers requested but what removed both men from the suspect list and all the teachers for that matter was the fact that they had ironclad alibis for the night of Bobby Franks' murder despite that fact though state's attorney Robert Crowe still thought that it was a teacher who done it so Crowe kept all of the teachers locked up for a week without warrants after convincing a judge that ignoring habeas corpus was necessary to solve the case and those kids could think about it just school foe the summer every teacher in school is in jail it's fucking freedom dude that's how the foot clan started yeah it really is board ramps everywhere it sounds like a far-sight cartoon just a hundred English teachers all in a cell

eating gummy bears for dinner man who gives a shit dude teachers are gone it's illegal to teach me but the nice thing is they didn't arrest any janitors because they know for a fact janitors are the purest people that work in schools I think a lot of them just died during the interrogation could be so you're gonna say the teachers are 5% pedophiles but janitors are 100% okay we know for a fact the janitors are not nope I'm a team janitor all the way then even after the teachers were released one investigator still went to the press to angrily maintain that one teacher had written the letter while another had murdered Bobby Franks in other words the police were flailing and figure that they could beat and

intimidate their way towards a confession just to get the murder off the books like oh so many cops have done before and after remember kids no lawyer no talkie talkie no talkie talkie especially if you're innocent and again we open it up oh that's an open case well so much work so much paperwork oh it's closed now what a relief detective work now as far as other leads went a 10 year old child named Irving did come forward to say that he'd seen Bobby Franks on the day he was murdered talking to someone in a gray witton automobile but the 10 year old said that when he turned away to look at some flowers the witton was already gone maybe these these teachers should be arrested because none of these kids have

a span of attention and they need to be able to pay attention what's going on this is really more kids need to be taught how to do witness recollection well this is why i'm actually team pokemon go as well it gets the kids out of the house they can find the bodies they pay attention no they're looking at reality through their phones but they also see reality you're just building it's interesting because you have all these problems with a i but you're just building the case for augmented reality in that one situation now much like the car in the paul bernardo case where cops chased the wrong vehicle for far too long everyone in a gray witton in chicago got constantly harassed until leopold and lobe were caught

to the point where some painted their cars a different color entirely oh yeah now is assumed that bobby franks had been the victim of a child molester because the coroner hinted in his report that the boy had been molested because the rectum was dilated and could quote easily admit one middle finger hey man at least it wasn't a thumb i don't know i get but the oh no i don't want to think about it just the thing is that you're looking it up and they're like hey jimmy come over here what kind of finger you think yeah that could fit in there right how do i put this in the report should i say carrot the edgy pecan i mean i don't what should i put in here it's never a good day when you have to decipher

what could fit in a anyone you know what i'm talking about in a dead boy yes yeah and that's the thing is that the middle finger there's no difference between these three fingers as far as like diameter it's just the middle finger is the longest one so i guess it sounds like he went bowling that morning yeah just staring staring at my meat hooks i think the pointer is actually the the thickest you do yeah it is big yeah well at least it wasn't a stick in balls yeah i guess so and so the police chief issued a general order to arrest quote all persons known to be perverts including a known pedophile i love this though just being like everybody knows a pervert bring him and just register as pervert but this

was hardest that you got a mixture of just normal people that are just homosexual at the time considered a psychological disease you have people that i mean like what do we now know everyone's a pervert on some level everybody's got something there's something at the core of somebody that you really necessarily like if you told everybody every thought you ever had they'd consider you some kind of unrepentant pervert that needs to be put in a jail right people do that now though they do that yeah yes yes it's literally what's destroying society and what's going to end the entire world what do women want they want they want i dress with pockets there we go but to the state's attorney's credit he didn't

think pedophilia had anything to do with it he correctly surmised that if it was just about sex the guilty party or parties wouldn't have over complicated things with letters and chauffeurs and so on and so forth rather he figured that it was of course a kidnapping gone wrong well he also doesn't have what we now have for the decades of true crime research if you find out a lot of the reason why that people do all of that rigmarole the letters and and ransom stuff is to extend their sexual fantasy it actually is a part of their sexual fantasy but this kid just wasn't straight up sexually assaulted for them for that to easily point at it yeah and then crow then pivoted perhaps quite cleverly as far

as obtaining resources went to say that the kidnappers were also coke heads wait why because with this he was able to bring in the newly minted bureau of investigation to help out see all the narcotics involved you got the FBI it's a chappelle show thing you've got to sprinkle some crack you gotta go over there you go right up to the little kid you put a little cocaine under his nose I mean like this is a cartel we're gonna have to bring Rico into this okay now there was no evidence whatsoever for the involvement of cocaine but there was one piece of very valuable evidence the police didn't even know they had yet that piece was the tortoise shell eyeglasses belonging to Nathan Leopold that had been dropped at

the scene where Bobby's body was dumped hmm now incredibly the eyeglasses were just assumed to belong to Bobby Franks because they were found next to the body so when they shipped his corpse to the funeral home the glasses were included and the funeral home actually put Nathan Leopold's glasses on Bobby Franks's corpse for the viewing yeah so that you can see in heaven yeah what's the point even if they were his glasses it's nice and technically it's nice because you say because also what we know about the glasses is they were extremely expensive tortoise shell but when the family walked in for the wake they very quickly asked why did you put these weird glasses on my son so the glasses were handed over to the

police as an obviously key piece of evidence and news of the glasses immediately broke in the papers now by this point Leopold and Loeb knew that they were getting real close to fucked yeah man and this is rich boy style fucked right so they're sitting in their mom's parlor house smoking cigars or do whatever they do drinking sniffers of brandy and just being like I don't think we're gonna make it to the Potomac summer gala this year no I think it's probably gonna hit pretty hard when they realized they're totally screwed so they came up with an alibi in which they would vouch for each other no matter how much the police pressured them they would become each other's alibi I was inside of loeb

I was inside of loeb there's no way it could be there and he was inside of me and honestly he was incredible because I was the pitta and he was a halal oh isn't that nice Nathan meanwhile destroyed the typewriter used to write the ransom letter and threw the pieces in the river in two different parts the river by the way the keys in one part the mechanics in the other you go in the river you're going in the other river bye bye but nevertheless on May 29 police still arrived at Nathan Leopold's door as part of routine questioning now through a series of interviews with different folk it was discovered that Nathan Leopold often went to Wolf Lake on ornithology excursion and he sometimes took groups of students

from the Harvard School of Boys with him you can't yell you can't laugh at the ornithology people the bird watchers sure because all they do is watch they do and I love birds I mean they're scaring me but and because they're so good at following little tiny things like birds you don't think how easy would be for them to track down a six-foot seven Bud Light Warbler go down and put you in a fucking can't wait to put a net over your head they wouldn't have to a fucking wall like a butterfly no I'm much bigger than a dove I'm much larger than a butterfly I'm actually not scared of ornithologists at all but a gun makes us all the size of birds no but they don't shoot guns they take pictures of the you don't know

you know what they do they do they do they do Nathan Leopold absolutely shot the birds oh shoot the birds the weak ones just go and fucking take pictures of the real ones blow their fucking little heads off that's not an ornithologist then that's a porn orthologist so yeah that's disgusting they're also porn orthology one of the hotter you're just rambling bees you just ran those outside it was also noted that Nathan owned a pair of tortoise shell eyeglasses however when police knocked on Nathan's door that day he was not considered a serious suspect rather he was just the next door to knock and nobody knew that they were about to bust this case wide open because that's the thing too is you go in you really

think you're just covering your bases we're like all right we'll talk to these fucking rich kids probably get some snipped or brandy added or whatever and then you know that he was just so he's such a little twerp that thing about a lot of these fucking little twerpy fuckers all these fucking like the the what's his putt said the the the most excellent gentleman oh yeah Elliot Roger Elliot Roger like all these guys like these fucking as soon as you put the screws so then they fall apart absolutely none of them can handle the heat now Nathan was predictably haughty with the three officers who showed up on the doorstep and demanded to see their credentials badges buttholes badges buttholes based partly on

his attitude police brought Nathan to the hotel LaSalle for questioning where state's attorney Robert Crowe was waiting excellent I love their deviled eggs indeed and as an evil breakfast as an ornithologist he probably likes detective crow now obviously the focal point of the questioning quickly became the eyeglasses but Nathan insisted that his tortoise shell eyeglasses were somewhere at home I'm not their keeper no I don't dare ever because everyone has their own will to power now let me explain for the next four hours what that means so Nathan took the cops back to his place and made a big show of looking for his eyeglasses you know what's important sometimes with these glasses you have to surprise them

they won't show up but when the case for the glasses was found empty oh Leopold was held on suspicion and his home was searched the amongst many a stuffed bird police found a Remington revolver with no permit but even more suspicious was a letter that Nathan Leopold had written to Richard Loeb but hadn't sent hmm in the letter Nathan angrily accused Richard of treachery and threatened to kill him but at the same time insisted that they remain friends for appearances sake but Nathan did say that if they ended their friendship they had to be careful his argument was thus the motif of the falling out of cock suckers would show to be popular which is patently undesirable and forms an unknown but unavoidable bond

between us good lord man it's so intense he is very intense I would be sentenced that actually talked about how he was gonna kill them is also really interesting because it shows their their relationship was also very how do you put it volatile yeah they had it even throughout all of this time period like they had gotten back together and they were working out but again Richard Loeb was just taken taken the shaft as it's also said sure probably giving he was giving the shaft he was only doing that out of just kind of like an appearances and to keep this worm in play because now especially that they've committed a crime together they have to be a unified front back scuttlers unite right Nathan Leopold

truly was obsessed with Loeb and an annoyed the living fuck out of him but in a way Nathan Leopold was them they kind of always balance between who was the more dangerous one because think about this he wrote this in a letter but didn't send him imagine if you found this letter in my house you found me saying this about Kissel okay when you came to my home this afternoon I expected either to break friendship with you or attempt to kill you unless you told me why you acted as you did yesterday saying how dare talk shit about my organ meat no I can actually see you saying something like that in a more Polish way yeah yeah but you know what I mean like it is they were always they were kind of on the verge of killing

each other but it seems like that was part of the charm huh I don't think I don't think that Nathan Leopold held a lot of charm for Richard Loeb Richard Loeb was using Nathan Leopold but Leopold liked getting the globes okay yeah and Leopold also liked this of course it was all the king slave relationship you like the push and pull of it so I think it was I think the volatility was part of as you say the charm of their relationship I think it kept him coming back because who else is gonna give him that sort of oomph like that sort of danger you know and so Richard Loeb was brought in for interrogation as well not just because they were in a sexual relationship of some kind but because there was something

obviously fishy and sinister about their relationship listen I'm just gonna put it down here and is a real simple all right the reason why we're bringing you in this derogation room is because you're rich gay and evil and we just want to look at it we just need to look at it real close because you scared the shit out of me right you know what I mean I understand yeah but before Richard showed up Nathan did finally admit that the glasses found at Wolf Lake were his oh he remembered he had fallen down during his last birding trip next to the drainage pipe yes yes it was next to the drain and yes they had to have fallen out of my pocket then they had to it was a scene from Mr. B how many times have you dropped glasses

near a corpse oh anytime I'm near a corpse anytime you're near a corpse okay oh this was supposedly a week before this is a week before he would he just happened to be near the drainage I haven't seen a thing in nine days okay I've just been wandering around grabbing services just wondering what things are what food is this food or is this shit those are my breasts so I need my glasses yes I know so to test this claim with the actual murder evidence by the way yeah state's attorney crow had Nathan put the glasses in his jacket and take a few prat falls to see if the glasses fell out hold on let me just get into character okay right now now think about this all right there's dirt there this

is the drainage right I see a pair of shoes hanging on the drainage pipe and I go oh what a lucky pipe it just went shopping and then oh whoa whoa what kind of word is that the rough neck dickler okay the rough like yes and I can tell just because I went oh oh you say are you impressed mr. crow what are you just set the scene the way it can fall out of my pocket do it again okay making the wind up extra long yeah really good and fall down simply it might as well oh this is there's kind of still in there though yeah I was covered in jelly oh that explains it yeah after a couple of tries the glasses indeed stayed in his pocket yeah yeah yes and this is a hotel this is a lobby this is the dumbest detective work

I have ever heard but okay I love this idea it's a bunch of people just watching fucking mr. magoo act in the lobby of a hotel and they're like this is the perfect crap now Leopold and Lowe were both questions separately at the same time about their alibis and they corroborated each other exactly concerning how they spent their day about town in Chicago using Nathan's car as transportation between locations they had luncheon they saw a bird they saw a bird it was a heron they saw a heron you see the heron that's exciting nice they somehow spent six hours in the park they had some drinks at a bar they tried to pick up a couple of goyals named May and Edna then they went home I do love the fact that at some point May and

Edna were young yeah yeah they were I can't picture it yeah it's true yeah at one point yeah Edna was 19 think about that yeah yeah 19 years stout absolutely strong woman now this is a pretty normal day for a couple of gat abouts like Leopold and lobe yeah they got nothing to do all fucking day but spend their parents money right but what didn't add up for state's attorney crow was the claim that they tried to pick up girls because from Nathan's letter it was obvious that they were in effect dating each other well and gay men never take beards never not at all not in Hollywood Hugh Jackman loves that 65 year old woman he's really loves going down on her I think Hugh Jackman loves the theater he

does that's what he's married to yes indeed I think that's true so Nathan and Richard were kept in custody for the time being while a mountain of easily obtainable evidence piled up around them they matched the handwriting on the ransom note envelope to Nathan's handwriting great crime perfect perfect nailed it and they perfectly matched Nathan's typed legal notes with the typed ransom letter obviously done in the same typewriter perfect great perfect amount of evidence to get you for the perfect crime in an era where it was exceptionally easy to get away with murder they magically found a way to give them so much evidence if they have just kept the body unlike and didn't dump it they would have gotten the

money and they could have figured out a bunch of shit because well we know nobody no crime nobody no crime but perhaps the most unbelievable moment of hubris and arrogance in this entire saga came not from Leopold and lobe but their families yeah where do you think they got it from that's true they were so convinced that their sons were not capable of such a heinous crime that they didn't call a lawyer for three days or did they prevent their sons from speaking to the police at all and in a way I think that Leopold and lobe felt invulnerable they felt like that there was just like yes the evidence was mounting up but we'll get into it in next episode their continued behavior will always show that they always kind of felt

all of this eventually will go away because everything else had gone away their whole lives it's the whole narcissist thing where it's the Casey Anthony thing if I just keep lying eventually you have the magical magical thinking is that what they call it I think it's magical thinking it's an idea yeah exactly if I just never give in an inch to your storyline it makes my storyline real yeah do you think that Casey ever mumbles under her breath yeah I did it like at the at the bar like 2 a.m. and I'm certain if you were in Fort Lauderdale you've heard her full confession two times a week yeah yeah you just have to be there you have to be O'Flanigan's whatever her garbage bar she does something like that hey what's

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a call and ask for them by name last podcast on the left it's weed hail yourselves everyone hail Satan now concerning the typewriter leopold tried saying that it belonged to his friend morris shanberg but when that was proved to be a lie Nathan said that it actually belonged to an Italian language professor that Nathan was collaborating with whatever okay Nathan claimed that he and this professor were working on a translation of a 15th century pornographic novel called radio radio not a radio not a man radio not a man radio not a man come on my daughter oh wow I love it I thought it meant breadsticks and buttholes radio not a man very nice yeah it was a book that featured a graphic conversation between two sex workers

on the finer points of their profession a new one and an old one why do pretentious nerds always translate old sex books yeah they really do and this and they were only translating it they were supposedly translating it for a small run of 200 copies I just don't really understand they're always obsessed with these things it was like translations and all stuff who cares why do we do this Garfield is better Garfield is good Garfield's fine other things are better Batman more forums better you don't have to be intellectual about jerking off you can just do it man no I used to jerk off at penthouse forums that was the first things I ever read no it is more intellectual than looking at pictures with women with icicle dildo

wait a second you're just about to start you start to head into the territory where incels say that having sex with a woman is gay why because you have to then you have to dare touch of vagina no I know I just said I was reading a lot of hardcore pornographic materials in the penthouse forums and the letters were fun yeah yeah they were but you said it was superior to pictures no I didn't say it was he said it was more intellectual he did not say it was superior he says intellectual and I it is more intellectual you have to make it up in your head a penthouse forum is not good writing though it's not high literature no high fucking came every time so did I but it's not high literature so it was better than it wasn't good if you were a bad erotica

where it's like and then she ripped open her milk woman out outfit because she's some kind of milk woman and I pressed her down and I said oh I'm down to make you a mother well I'm starting to think this mail man doesn't even have any mail on him no it's no i radio nomen it's not that but that's a lie yeah that's a lie yeah well Nathan said you know it'd be great if you could ask this guy you could be great if you asked this professor we'd love to talk to this facey pervert you're working with it this time I sure yeah unfortunately he's on an extended honeymoon can't talk to him not gonna be back for a while don't know when he's gonna be back so no no fact-finding mission yeah you had to go find out the top neokies vitally so oh and then he's gonna come back with

the typewriter too because he took that on vacation with him you always take a typewriter yeah I always do oh yeah now after Leopold had been in custody for about a day and a half his family tried thinking of a way they could help him out can we do and it was the family chauffeur Sven England who thought that he held the key to Nathan's freedom Sven went to the police and told them that Nathan couldn't have driven to Wolf Lake on May 21st because Sven had spent all day greasing the brakes on Nathan's car there you can see my pockets of grease you can see my grease stained knees I love you Sven but technically this was the smartest thing that they did thus far so themselves a little bit of a we couldn't have been there I mean he was fixing the car he got ripped apart well yeah okay well

here's the thing is that Leopold and Loeb didn't know that Sven Englund was gonna go talk to the cops this is Leopold and Loeb's family saying god yes Sven yes go tell them this is gonna exonerate them they thought that Nathan's gonna be home in time for dinner but with that single statement Sven Englund gave the police everything they needed to fucking destroy Leopold and Loeb's alibi perfect crime oh because they had told police that they'd used Leopold's car on their frolic through Chicago on the day Bobby Franks was murdered we wouldn't use any other car that is our bird car we go when we see a bird in that car every other fourth Sunday this is a Sven's fault though no it's not Sven's fault but it is in in Swedish it's what's called a fort

oh that means a big ol fuck up yeah that means a big fuck up yeah that's a mistake big it's a fort but even though there was a lot of evidence pinning the crime on Leopold and Loeb it's important to remember that they were both extremely rich and therefore theoretically capable of buying their way out of a murder charge so state's attorney Crowe pushed for a confession to seal the deal now Nathan and Richard held up for a few hours once the cops put on the full court press but while Crowe was taking a break his very Italian assistant Johnny Sbarbaro came out and said that Loeb was ready to talk now Loeb walked back his willingness to squeal when Crowe came into the room and Loeb asked why am I being held here if you got no evidence against me okay and to that

Crowe told Richard about the eyeglasses and laid out just how badly their alibi had been shattered all while Richard rocked back and forth in his chair not good not good not good not good gotta go see Wopner gotta see Wopner not good gotta go to Kmart gotta go to Kmart and finally Richard broke and said he'd tell them everything wow but predictably Loeb placed the blame for the crime from beginning to end squarely on the shoulders of one Nathan Leopold oh he didn't own up to it and take responsibility and just say yeah I didn't know he didn't okay this is an excerpt from Richard Loeb's confession which recounts the murder with chilling detachment I drove the car south on Ellis Avenue parallel to where young Franks was and I told him I would like to talk to him about

a tennis racket so he got in the car and just after we turned off Ellis Avenue Leopold reached his arm around young Franks grabbed his mouth and hit him over the head with the chisel I believe he hit him several times I do not know the exact number Leopold grabbed Franks and carried him over the back of the front seat and threw him on a rug in the car he then took one of the rags and gagged him by sticking it down his throat the scheme for etherizing him originated through Leopold who evidently has some knowledge of such things and he said that that would be the easiest way putting the death in the least messy this however we found unnecessary because that boy was quite dead when we took him there we knew he was dead by the fact that rigor mortis had set in and also by

his eyes and then when at that same time we poured this hydrochloric acid over him we noticed no tremor not a single tremor in his body therefore we were sure he was dead y'all want some pizza pizza can we get some deep dish for lunch so he really went into great detail there sounded super cold and super callous and I don't even necessarily think that he did himself any favors blaming it on the other fellow there because he sounds like he was the one driving the car it's going right back the other way to yeah now after laying out his tail lobe then covered his own ass further by saying that while he offered no excuse for his participation he still offered an excuse saying that he was fully convinced that the idea wouldn't have occurred to him had it not been for

nathan leopold yeah this of course said no yeah i mean yeah you could have done it yeah they're literally gonna just send him like why don't we just like not do that you have an idea we always have we all three of us have ideas all the time and then one of us would be like yeah well this of course was total bullshit because the whole thing had been richard lobe's idea and it's almost certain that lobe was the one who killed bobby franks while leopold drove the car but about half an hour after richard was done nathan asked to speak to robert crow can i speak can i can i maybe give a little bit of a little bit of a you know that's really stupid right me yes but i want to be the one being stupid okay great and nathan convinced he was still playing some sort of uber

minch game of mental chess asked crow a hypothetical he asked quote all freddy nachos's bullshit is all rhetorical statements right it's all just been like maybe maybe it's like that i hate it so maybe there is something like that that's so creative yeah wow if if i did it if i did it freddy nachos is creative i've been reading more it is interesting but yes it's still very much like what if something what if it was and i'm certain about it but what if it suppose that someone from a wealthy family of a family as rich as his own had committed his murder so like you know suppose that someone from a family so it's like a fantasy that i'm gonna have but it seems really similar to you you could say many things are similar to me yes great what chance would that person have of beating the

merchant charge like if he was super rich and powerful if it would be like you are you let's say it's say it's a rat face snick back you suck your dick like he's sucking the chrome off of fucking the new car yeah that's what i'm saying so yeah maybe no the answer is none you have no chance hmm i was hoping for the opposite yeah and to that robert crow delivered the line of a lifetime he told nathan you're about to find out because you're getting charged with the murder of bobby frank then when nathan smiled and said there was no hard evidence against him crow laid out the type of spiel that i'm sure every detective in existence dreams of makin he asked nathan you remember waiting around to find a boy to kidnap you remember the hot dogs and root beer

you had after you killed bobby tell me nathan was it hard to shove bobby in the pipe you still think you can beat this murder charge oh that's awesome and then he ate a bunch of sesame seeds because he's a bird he's not chosen come and save me with the rhetorical philosophical droning on about things that we could do nothing about it it changes nothing about our day to day it's a great day to be a crow and after that nathan stopped smiling and stoically said quote dick is talking i will tell you the truth about the matter and of course nathan pretty much gave the same story as richard except in this version lobe was the one who murdered bobby frank oh i can't believe that's the other guy that's crazy i guess that they're both innocent

you both can't have done it so must have been a snowman she's got a man she's got a man on and that's why we didn't see him because he took the hat off of me melting into a bunch of water oh i see a crow now after they both confessed before anyone had even called a lawyer by the way robert crow took them out and had them physically walk him through the day of the murder to make absolutely sure that the confession would hold up in court so first thing i did is i woke up like this oh i went to get my breakfast and he said screw screw screw screw screw and i pulled the male calm the cereal go go go go go go just yada yada yada can i do the prat false again not yet but maybe by the drain where you left that boy

you made it sad it was having fun it is it first they went to the rental car company where the manager recognized nathan immediately although the manager knew him as mort baller oh you that little gay fuck more baller i can just see all of this in black and white with the term ring enactment in the lower right hand corner they're just like looking at it and be like oh i see we're really setting ourselves up here then they were taken to the hardware store where it was confirmed that leopold had bought a rope and chisel finally they went to the drug store where the clerk confirmed that leopold had not only bought hydrochloric acid and ether on the day of the murder great but he'd bought the largest amount of either that the clerk had ever sold

not only will i take that barrel i'll take everything you got whoo great day to be a hardware store employee you want a lot of acid yeah you know now after both boys confessed crow announced to reporters that nathan leopold and richard lobe had kidnapped and killed bobby frank's quote out of a spirit of adventure which is a mild way of putting it yeah isn't that the name from that's why i go yeah yeah it's literally from the spirit of adventure that's me like going to get ice cream on a wednesday spirit of adventure i'm just having a fun day you know wow and then to make triple sure that the confession would stick crow made sure that the press had direct access to leopold and lobe and leopold and lobe talked to the press incessantly oh my god using

the opportunity to both tooth their own superiority horns and to pin the murder on each other in public jeez for nathan leopold's part any mention of richard lobe would throw him into a tantrum partly because leopold saw lobe's attempt to blame the murder completely on him as a betrayal of the king slay fantasy he's so cherished you're the daddy i'm the baby you're supposed to do the daddy things and i'm supposed to be doing the baby things remember you blame me for the murder too though so it's because daddy's supposed to be the big bad i'm supposed to be the fun little small bad okay but at the same time nathan also used this public forum as a way to establish his own intellectual superiority over the plebeians who win about their daily lives as a lesser class than

himself oh you don't understand dog mean you didn't even try to read the spake Zarathustra you can't possibly understand the inner workings of humankind that indecipherable book you need a dictionary to read but you can't understand you don't understand anything because he read a book sounds like every single meeting of any third party in america nathan said that while he didn't commit the murder himself his participation was that of an intellectual performing an experiment oh you were just there you were just there to like document and you want to experience the sensation of a murder and was justified in his curiosity just as a six-year-old boy is justified in pulling the wings off a fly if by doing so he learns that without wings the fly is helpless so you didn't

think that you didn't fucking know that before isn't it good that i killed that for them oh my god that's a good thing because then when it comes down to it you need me to do this esoteric research for you as a as a society that is why i am the over man because i understand that this is not about good nor evil it transcends good and evil it is my want to see the edges of humanity's experience i mean you could have killed like an adult that they you know had power or something like that it's hard yeah it's been hard and messy and and oh and been hard right i could only imagine how hard his former classmates rolled their fucking eyes when they read anything nathan said in the newspapers like yeah shut your fucking mouth you fuck you get your get your

fucking head out of freddy nachos his ass but you know what he was a sickly little boy who never left his home all he did was hike he didn't know anything but to be honest this is a fun day this is a fun monday when you come back yes that's your the news and then you have a lot of conversations with your friends oh of course we all knew what we were gonna do with these assholes of course true why true crime now why true crime now true crime now now it seemed at this point that a plea of temporary insanity was unlikely because richard and nathan had planned the kidnapping of a boy and the disposal of the body for seven months and they'd even establish false identities to evade capture in illinois they go with the monoton rule mcnaughton rule of uh insanity the insanity

plea is that you don't know the difference between white and wrong yeah you have to be like a jabbering person who's not aware of their current circumstances to be considered insane yeah you've got to be like a living knife you know where you just believe i am knife and to make absolutely sure three psychiatrists were brought in to evaluate leopold and lobe and neither of them were found to be suffering from a slightest sign of mental illness that might affect their sense of right and wrong well one of them definitely has been diagnosed with terminal bitch face and the other one is definitely got in a horrible case of being a fucking total asshole that's your official diagnosis okay but it was around this point and maybe about three days before that richard lobe's

father after the confession figured that it might be a good time to call a lawyer a little late that's just a little late yeah we need a lawyer yeah and basically lobe just called up this lawyer and said just don't let the boys hang and because the lobe family were so fantastically rich they were able to hire the most famous criminal lawyer in the country almost in the world yes wow so while this lawyer is now known most famously for his part in the so-called scopes monkey trial back then Clarence Darrow was known as the attorney for the damned no that is where we'll pick back up for the conclusion of our story of leopold and lobe it is I have to say it's never good when you have to call the attorney for the damned like I don't want to be his client oh yeah the reason why they

called him attorney of the damned or attorney for the damned is that he was famous for taking on cases in which the people were undoubtedly guilty he's very good very well because well because he was we'll get into a much more in the next episode but he was a big proponent of the concept of mercy and his entire agenda was overturning the death penalty he thought the death penalty was on constitutional that it was evil hate to send love the center yeah that's got that big core of his thing uh fascinating and actually very good person but yeah we're getting to Clarence Darrow next week yes and we yes and we have a lot more to roll out this is a really thick ass fucking story because the next one is even more rollout I will say I'll walk back a little bit

of my Freddy nachos to hate I do hate yeah I do believe that he some of the stuff that he wrote is very interesting uh and it is but like the eternal recurrence I've been reading a lot about because you're not supposed to be the worst idea impossible that we don't die that we that when you die you just live this life again and again again but again it just shows that um whatever Nathan Leopold did was a very surface reading of his shit and then just a teenager's understanding of what it supposed to be you can learn a lot from dr. Seuss at oh the places he hated children famously hated children is that right yeah he did on his cancer stricken wife is that true yes now that's very true she found out she committed he she

committed to his wife committed suicide because she found out he was fucking somebody else when she was better in with cancer yeah no kidding real John Edwards this Saturday we're finally here rhyming auditorium we're going to Nashville come on take it out we got a couple of things why don't you come and take out that lpn country jamboree we're all going to be on pound we're gonna be out there we're gonna be sucking we're gonna be fucking we're really won't be doing that we'll be doing a show we'll help you make you laugh a little bit um and go to momenthouse.com slash lpotl to buy a live stream ticket to watch it from the nudity of your own home that's right we can't wait to see you all in Nashville at the Grand Ole Opry at the Ryman now called the Ryman now

called the Ryman and next week we got Tarana and Vancouver yes I can't wait to go to our neighbors to the north yeah and I learned to say it was actually it was never called the Grand Ole Opry the Grand Ole Opry was merely the radio show that appeared at on the Ryman stage every Saturday night hey Marcus you know what's so funny is I don't give a fuck about what you just said wow I learned so much about the Grand Ole I mean that's the thing that we're doing here this Saturday we're doing a country talk about what you're saying right now yeah that's amazing how I was just able to do that I would say wow the no dogs and space listeners probably gave a little bit of a fuck about what I was saying but you know let's just uh let's just agree to disagree on that

one here his job is to correct you yeah exactly if I were to say something about the Packers I would imagine that you would probably come in and say oh no Bill Ballochek actually was the one who got the touchdown in Super Bowl 94 yeah I know some of the Packers when um when Terry Iyomi he went to do the first ninth field goal ever in a third quarter crunch position he's a musician his life was pregnant and he had to go back to the local hospital and deliver it himself yeah because I remember when Emmett Smith was the quarterback for the Packers Troy when he played Jordan no no no no no no no no just kidding contentious no Ricky Henderson was definitely my favorite wide receiver the Green Bay Packers ever had he was a baseball player anyway all right everyone

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