Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 499: Joel Rifkin Part II - Garden of Bones

Episode Date: July 15, 2022

As we conclude the tale of one of the sleaziest serial killers of Long Island's history, the boys discuss Rifkin's sinister daily routine, how his own impotence fueled a desire to kill, and the sloppy series of events that would result in him being caught red handed with a body in the bed of his truck.

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Really a lot of people can't agree whether or not are you on Joel's side or not me personally? I'm against Joe Rifkin only just because I know two other Joel's and they're better than him Joel at the deli and oh, he always looks at me. I tell him a little thinner I needed a little thinner and he always does it And he's like like this I say hey But think Hey, but then I was like oh, I can see through it and then Joel the guy who pulled me out my sophomore year in college But Joel Rifkin's a bad one

Absolutely, I'm happy you got balled out by a Joel in college Welcome to last podcast on the left everyone. I have been hanging out with Henry and hanging out with Marcus We are on to part two of one of Queen's biggest douchebags, which is saying a lot Joel Rifkin No, technically he belongs more to Long Island I have to remember before you begin this episode Long Island is one word Long Island and you have to Long Island Long Island the guy Long Island Long Island Now as we mentioned last episode when discussing Joel Rifkin's childhood

He could easily be compared to Dennis Raider and that neither of them had any known childhood trauma or abuse yet Still became massive murderous dickheads I would also compare him to Dennis Raider and the fact that I believe that he had an extremely Involved fantasy life that he and Dennis Raider would not talk about yeah They would purposely keep that hidden because I think in their own minds That was their little secret and I'm gonna compare it to Dennis Raider because I think Dennis Raider would hate the comparison so much because these people are such Pitiful little schmucks. You know Dennis Raider is like I'm smarter than him. I could set up a camera by myself. Well in panties There you go Dennis. He says, you know, he sends me letters to him. Just like oh once you go measures from grass Dennis

Catch a fucking doll Oh Now one thing you may have noticed about our show is that we use Dennis Raider quite a bit as a sort of serial killer Touchstone and that's not just because he's the serial killer that I personally find the most fascinating Rather Dennis Raider gets referenced so much partly because he actively studied other serial killers And since he was trying to become one of the most well-known killers in history on par with the zodiac He became an amalgamation of those he studied He really is kind of the proto self-aware serial killer

Yeah, like and he carried that through with it and he prided himself on that of like learning and adapting You know fade away He's trying to learn how to do the fade away because he can't jump as much from the center line learning a lot about sports Kessel absolutely great job when you get a little bit older You have to change your technique and of course with Dennis Raider He got a little punny with it when he put his serial boxes in the back of trucks and said get it I'm a serial killer and you know I've been with that I mean that is making that is actually you know going towards Henry's point is it's post-modern

You know, it's this he is doing an active comment on Serial killing even though it's fucking stupid and it doesn't really make a lot of sense But he's a jerk off And as it happens Joel Rifkin was much the same way When Rifkin was finally captured police found news clippings and magazine articles that followed the exploits of Ted Bundy and more Importantly the Green River killer. I mean there we and Fucking Joel are like twins. They are so similar because they're both fucking glassy-eyed adults That I don't have talk about like they like the what the lack of introspection of like the non thought about life

The non-examined life both of them were just like pillars of cement, right? Yeah, well at the very least remember Gary Ridgway could paint one hell of a truck and Joel Rifkin was good at nothing Nothing Yeah, we had fucking he was a detailer. Yeah actual viable skill. Yeah, Rifkin was an anchor I'll tell you one thing that episode of pimp my ride where Gary Ridgway was the guest car painter It got pretty bloody. Yeah, thanks worker in your car. So you could sex work while you try See during Rifkin's reign the investigation into the Green River killer murders was the most well-known ongoing serial killer investigation in perhaps the world

Dozens upon dozens of sex workers have been found murdered in the Pacific Northwest over a period of decades and the identity of the killer Gary Ridgway wouldn't be discovered until well after Rifkin was captured But concerning Rifkin Joel not only followed the exploits of the Green River killer, but also Imitated him. Here's a direct quote from Rifkin laying out how it was all done He buried one. I buried one. He went from water to land. I went from water to land He placed one by an airport. I placed one by an airport. He did things the clusters me. I did things the clusters Well, it sounds like you're a bit of a copycat Joel not really original whatsoever It's an homage you fucking moron

You know what it is about him is that Joel Rifkin though Unlike Denis Raider who wanted to be known as this like ultimate predator. Yeah, he wouldn't even let the knowledge that he was training Himself to be a serial killer in and that he was imitating these things It wasn't until it was pointed out afterwards when they said hey We found these books in your and he was just like yeah And it wasn't until after he started murdering and that he realized it's like I guess I'm doing he's doing or whatever And it's the same like nonchalant flat delivery of every single thing that he ever talked about it about his killing past that like

It's weird. It's in its own way like it's like he truly was compartmentalized Yeah, it sounds like he might have been a little bit of a Garfield himself trying to learn through osmosis Yep Actually, you know what that's fucked up Because it's fucked up because you know what I kind of put him in a little bit. He's way more Odie Well the thing about Dennis Raider and Joel Rifkin is that while they may be known in Wichita, Kansas and New York City Respectively as boogeymen and while true crime nerds may study them as well The average person has no fucking clue who they are

That's because while BTK and Rifkin are notorious. They're still on the B team if we bring our Batman villain scale back into play Yeah, well Dean and Bundy and Dahmer and Gacy. Those are your those are your jokers your Riddlers your two faces your mr. Freezes BTK and Rifkin. They're more your killer crocs your clay faces Scarecrow's at best I'm not gonna get mr. Freeze the A team mr. Freeze is not an A team. He's easily A team mr. Freeze is totally A team Yeah, I don't know about that. He's the he's the lowest of the A team He's the lowest rung of the A team But mr. Freeze if you read the first trade to Edward Baker's Gotham Central mr. Freeze can be quite terrifying when he wants to be

And kissle do your favorite movie the Batman the sequel is gonna have mr. Freeze in it So you better get boned up You know he's gonna be like a refrigerator salesman or something like it's not gonna be what we want mr. Freeze may take guy may take guy See if serial killers like Jack Unterweger and Hayden Clark if they're the first villains Batman beats up in storyline Well, he's trying to solve a mystery or prevent his disaster Those guys are the first rungs on the serial killer ladder Joe Rifkin is the guy that you think is the big bad But is actually still an underling himself He's like scarecrow and Batman begins. It's not scarecrow. It's a big bad. It's Ray Joe ghoul. That's the big bad

You Tell me I'm some kind of red herring Red herring you're at a I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're just ready. You just fucking. That's who you are It's a matter of fact Joel. What if you're the red herring? Oh, that's cool. That's a fish fish fish silently in the water Visible from the surface and they lay eggs your fish. No one can ever see fish What if you start having leaving little turds at all crime scenes like your little eggs and then you're the red herring? I'm not ready to talk about the little turds

I'm not ready to talk about that. Okay But nevertheless, even though Rifkin doesn't have the zazz of a Dahmer or a Gacy wannabes are fascinating in their own right for entirely different reasons partly because they're so Desperate to differentiate themselves even though they all follow the same patterns You know what it is is that Rifkin of like, you know, we we cover serial killers He's kind of like how do you say it like a boilerplate version of a serial killer? He's exactly like he's there's not a heck of a lot special about him, but he is more identifying that it's a an American phenomena that is going to continue to repeat again and again and that they are all

echoes of these original criminals that have became super famous in American like the American style serial killer that has became because like that was created by Richard Ramirez and Jeffrey Dahmer. He's the Alex Jones to Bill Cooper's Bill Cooper Some what yeah, I mean he's a copy of a copy. Yeah, I mean he's a guy He's that stereotypical of when he was arrested, you know, oh my god. He was just the nicest man He was so quiet. There was such a quiet family. Oh my god. Oh, they were family Oh, well, all the ones I also love the other book I read. I believe it was called Garden of Bones. There's very bad That's a cool name though. It's very stupid. Very very stupid. It doesn't even make any sense. Garden, yeah, you didn't bury any of them. No

I'm just saying it's a cool grade. He buried one of them. He buried one of them But that's the thing Garden of Graves that doesn't make any sense because he only buried one and it was a very shallow grave We'll get to it later. Jesus fucking Christ. No, but Garden of Bones is what I'm calling my barbecue restaurant But they keep interviewing all the fuckheads that knew him from his childhood and they're all like it was a fucking nerd And that's like all they can say like, well, you know, it's pants were too tight. So yeah That hurt that came up over that came up again and again and again like yeah, what is pants were fucking too tight What do you want to look at this guy? Well, you look at a fucking guy walking around begging for abuse. It's a little bizarre. You know what? I think about Joel Rifkin makes him so fascinating to true students of true crime

It's the fact that he really is an everyman. Yeah, he's not like Richard Ramirez was born to be evil Jeffrey Dahmer is like Spooky like he's spooky like it's the thing you look at him in the ghost man. He's a ghost man You know, we're like like, you know, you know a Joel Rifkin. We talked about it in the last episode, you know one You've met sure well Dahmer don't forget He worked in the chocolate factory and being around that much chocolate for that long numbs the soul because he was a slave trader Yes, he did and also when it comes to burying bodies, I'm gonna bury men I'm gonna kill him if they have an eight-inch penis and then I'm gonna bury him two inches deep keep the cock hard Garden of Bones, what is this?

What is this? lawnmower over him Yeah, it's what it's to spin five minutes in that Ocranium ears I mean, it's a horrible restaurant because all the food is gone, but whatever Well concerning those repeated patterns after Rifkin dismembered the second woman He murdered he took possession of her jewelry as a trophy as many serial killers do however Joel maintained that the jewelry Wasn't a trophy even though he said he kept about 80% of the possessions belonging to the women. He killed It's kind of crazy. I watched this interview with him with this FBI profiler and he

He constantly says like, I don't know. I just they just said all that shit just ended up in my house like he acts like it's like non Shallot, which is why I think he's hiding something because obviously there was a deep Dark fantasy life inside of him and he talks about how the first murder Replayed in his head for every day like it were 18 months replayed for 18 months And he said his first excuse was well, I had to kill again because then it was stop the videotape in my brain I could put it in a new video tape now at least I could watch a little mermaid You know what I mean? I could put something in there now. I'm watching the whole fucking episodes of how Hogan's heroes That is a funny Nazi, but then like he he it's really weird

He professes to have no inner life even though he must like it's not an accident that he kept these things He was fantasizing with them, of course I mean they all do was he haunted by the first murder then or I think he was actually excited So he just did he literally just get bored like when I had dawn of the dead stuck in my VCR when I was in college Love dawn of the dead, but I watched it a thousand times and I was like I gotta get a new thing in here Yeah, I mean I What he was more haunted by was the fact that sex was no longer doing it for him You know in the fact that this was replaying again and again and again in his head told him that oh, this is what does it for me now?

This is my this is my whole thing and like I said last episode like it was annoying to him You know it was annoying like it like he had to take a new medication or something like oh I can't go out in the sun anymore without putting on some block It's one of those it's that's how he looked at is like oh this is this is an annoying thing that I have to do No, oh, I gotta kill someone to come. Oh, what a fucking hassle honestly like you discussing food Marcus But that is that's the thing about it is like that's how nonchalant he thought of it You know, it's like oh, I got this is there's this extra fucking thing I got to do now. Oh, all right Also, he said in his head the first time he killed somebody and then killed again

He was like this is the first successful thing I've ever done in my life Like well, I don't know if that's true Joel. I said and how do you feel bono? precious Sunglasses Right there mother Teresa of musicians a scam artist to the core Concerning what else Joel Rifkin may have done to the bodies It was suspected if not downright assumed that he had followed in the footsteps of his hero Ted Bundy We cannot stress enough was a disgusting necrophiliac

Yeah, but when Joel Rifkin was asked point blank if he had engaged in necrophilia at any time He said that while he had considered it. He never went through with it. This is how you know, he did it Well, yeah, I considered it. What are you talking about listen to a direct quote And he's gonna read this quote please judge for yourself I think can remind you right on the money on this one. You know, I just remember looking down at her and thinking about it I'm looking at her and I'm like nah That's it. That was a quote. So I'm like

It's just so funny about that is that like it seems like you were so much closer than most people to committee We're feel you and the fact that you thought about it makes me think you don't have as soon as this whole time I'm like whoa. He's like, oh, it's just like now. You're all bad here. Yeah Though like you don't have a lot of impulse control. So I think you thought about it. Then you probably did it No, no, no, no, no, you'll see why it's not impulse control because I control every impulse I could fucking jump out a window if I want That's very basic. Oh Well concerning when Joel had his orgasms

Man from long I always do it listen when it comes to me with calming. I always kiss keep it short and sweet You see the boar's head on the table as he puts nipples on it Oh, wow Well, Joel maintains that he'd never quote-unquote finished with a dead body and he either came during Strangulation or not at all or he had already come. Yeah Sometimes it had nothing to do with like the actual sexual act in the moment It was more of a power. You like it. You like a kissle

No, because I can see the deli mayonnaise of cum squirt out of his weird cock like I Was more I tell you what I wish it was more should be more celery or something I don't know how these guys get the gallons of it Now I'm shooting out of them. I'm saving my life if it was a chicken wing side. It would be the blue cheese I would imagine Instead as per Rifkin's interviews with author Robert Mladenich Rifkin said that he looked at the body's post-murder as a chore to take care of rather than a sex object He said quote. Hmm. I looked at it as a job like okay

This is what you got to do now you do this net to make it smaller so you can get rid of it So that's opposite of Dahmer cuz he did not that's when the fun started for him Yeah, I think he's minimizing this is the why like this is it's interesting You see the two types of killers we get all the time you get the guys that Exaggerate and guys like him that don't want you to know His inner private life. He views it at none of your business. Yeah, son of your business that I fuck the all fuck these corpses I wouldn't tell you that that's between the corpses. It does hold up in the positive sense But the positive sense of the Long Island personality is you get the job done and I mean so kind of holds up

It's all merit. Are you fucking what mind your own business? You don't you don't care what I do am I fucking backyard, okay? Yeah, I want to put in a fountain Goddamn fence Be careful Be careful putting a fountain in Henry's gonna show up and think it's a kiddie pool The riff get abstained from killing for four months after killing Julie Blackbird But since his mother was going out of town more frequently Obviously enjoying this new fancy-free phase in her life

Joe kept bringing sex workers back to their home on Long Island What is it about women from New York that just long for their husbands to die? You can't wait for them to die I'm not sure if it's the men or the women to blame on that one And from what Rifkin said he had no particular plans to kill any of the women he brought back to his house And he certainly had not well excuse me to his mother's house. It was not Joel's house. It was his mother's House makes it so much slamer. Yeah, and he certainly had no plans He claimed when he committed his next murder that of 31-year-old Barbara Jacobs from Rifkin's memory

Murders simply occurred to him in the moment and he acted Joel said that he and Barbara were watching TV when Barbara fell asleep and while she dozed Joe began to go back and forth as to whether he could and or should kill her This is the exact crux because everyone keeps asking. Oh, they they they put it in him They're like you do this for control and he's like no, no, no He would insist that the women had control because that is his control mechanism Like that's what people don't understand is that he viewed the women as control So him murdering them was quote-unquote him taking his control back

So he thought that he would do it and it was about the deliberation About whether or not I'm going to kill this unsuspecting person like it was about Me controlling their destiny. You can just see him go into the old jukebox. They're hitting D7 Should I stay or should I go now? Disgusted and then he says I have no idea what that song is about I think it's about going to the bathroom I have no idea but I'm sure that he did have some bizarre songs that he would play in ritual Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of Billy Joel. Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of Billy Joel

His way in there Bruce I think he's going piano man Piano over and over he's not going Jersey long island. He's not going Jersey He says fuck Bruce Springsteen It's like Billy Joel because you know how many times he listened to moving out and it was just like Actually, I'm doing gigs No, if Joel Rifkin was still out But if he hadn't gone to jail he'd be saving up money to go to those Billy Joel Madison Square Garden gigs at least like once a

Year like every October he goes to see Billy at the garden. I just got to be there because I know he's there for me Well, finally when Joel was here at his mother's house with his sex worker He decided to just do it and he struck Jacobs while she was sleeping She immediately woke up and fought back But after they wrestled on the floor for a bit Rifkin gained the upper hand and strangled her to death But as to the business of dismemberment Joel found that he either no longer had the stomach for it Or most likely knew that he didn't have to actually go to the trouble After dragging the body down to the basement as he had the last two. He said quote

For some reason I could not do it. I mean, I had everything to do it But you know, I didn't start I got to the point where I was I was ready to cut Hey, the knife in my hand. I'm looking at the body and Hey, I'll come back and do this later. The Yeah, it's in the quote like How he fucking talk like if you know what I think truly I think he's fucking lazy Yeah, I think that's possible. I mean what he starts off I think he's always thinking about what is the amount of least resistance because he does think at first like yeah

I got to cut up these bodies and put all the body parts in different locations And you know, and then the next one he's like, okay I got to put encase them in cement and put them in different locations and then by the third one It's like fuck it. Let's just or in the goddamn river who gets it already getting. I guess this Ted Bundy would say You sometimes you lose forget where you put the Seems also that it's becoming pretty blasé already He always was so he has no joy in having the corpse around he doesn't like to dismember it He doesn't like to have sex with a barrel. He goes home. God knows what happened, but that's very so he's not a product killer

What's not never not at all? He's barely a process killer The weird thing about this guy, I don't think he I just don't understand That's what actually makes him truly very frightening in a way. Yeah, we're like he felt nothing. He felt absolutely nothing It was about he just kind of Operated in his mind like almost unconsciously He was doing these things and then it became a rope he view it in his own mind as muscle memory He's like now I just do this or I don't do this

This is a process and he's I mean, he's he's not a nice guy kissle. Oh I see I see So Joel left the body in the basement for a few hours while he decided what to do and finally settled on simply dumping the body in the River after the body was wrapped in plastic Joel packed it in a large cardboard box Loaded it into his mother's Toyota sedan because his truck was broken down and dumped the box in the Hudson near a cement processing plant Immediately after dumping the body Rifkin drove south into the city and picked up a girl in Manhattan For oral sex in the car in his mother's sedan. No less. Hey, he's got more room Wow, so he's accelerating it sounds mm-hmm by the time he was done

Rifkin heard on the radio that the body he just dumped had already been found hours later But instead of the panic he felt before he said the radio report didn't face him at all in this He was actually correct in thinking that he had nothing to worry about because Barbara Jacobs body like many others It wasn't even identified until Joel Rifkin himself named her after his capture Now going back to Henry's observation that Joel Rifkin only prayed on the most invisible women the ones closest to the end of the road I think that the murder of Barbara Jacobs reinforces that opinion See Rifkin said that he kept bringing women back to his Long Island home for months after Julie Blackbird But he didn't kill any of them despite the fact that he killed the first two women who had stepped foot into his mother's house

Boom one two I think that Joel was basically interviewing these women that he brought back afterwards to see how far removed from society They really were and when he met Jacobs someone who had no real ties He struck knowing that the likelihood of mere identification much less capture was extremely low and again, remember his his validation always was like they were gonna die anyway No, they were already close. It was this thing like he viewed himself as like I'm just finishing a job that was already done and he's uh, he's a you know, he's a fucking

Parasite Right. Yeah, he's like he views himself as a guy that's walking around a food court eating other people's half-eaten meals The guy's just gonna be thrown away anyway. So, you know, fuck it. What does it matter? That's how he thinks of it at least Okay On the night of Joel's next murder about a month and a half later He said that the urge to kill wasn't particularly strong and that he was more interested that night and what he called window shopping In Joel's world window shopping meant spending his night driving around and chatting with sex workers basically wasting their time

Yes, it's called wasting people's time Oh Sometimes he'd hire them on nights like this and sometimes he wouldn't most of the time you wouldn't I was addicted to the night Yeah Look at that moon up there and I said, oh, that looks like a big rock and I love Because that's when oh you go out there and everybody everything's dark Yeah, it's fun in a way. It's a surprise by your own eyeballs. I love the night time. I know you do Can't see a lot

As soon as it gets about seven beer Right But on the nights that Joel ventured into the city looking for company whether he was planning to hire them or not He had a regular route that hit some of New York City's best known strolls Strolls by the way, those are areas in which a man had his pick of sex workers plying their trade on the street Apparently right underneath over here in Long Island City like near where I am That one of the biggest strolls in Long Island City was right underneath the adcatch bridge Oh, I'd love to go get blown under the adcatch bridge

Stroll I always imagine it as like two people holding hands like I guess it's better than a red light district because that's also like a little too official I think a lot of these places. Well a red light district is you know, it's a place with stores and people and businesses like rolls from what it sounds like with strolls like they're empty lots They're out of the way places. They're places where nobody else goes. They're just kind of night after night taken over By this, you know, I guess I guess you'd call the soft white underbelly Can we actually change it just from stroll to trudge? That it's a trudge

Believe that to be true Well, let's take a bit of a ride along with Joel Rifkin on an average night of window shopping. Oh, awesome I'm so excited to be in this car In town and Nick close in all the factories down Shut it down. They shut it down. I know we could work anymore. Nobody wants to work. Can you roll down the window, man? It smells real bad in this car. It smells like you killed a woman That's your oh, you're wearing a shoe. Okay Well, the first stroll Joel would hit was around the Belmont Park horse track in Queens

Which worked as his entrance into the five boroughs from the Hempstead term pipe coming from Long Island Yeah, from there Joel hopped on Jamaica Avenue, which is a major artery in Queens containing multiple strolls My fucking city, dude. That's my town. Oh, yeah, Jamaica. Yeah, Jamaica Avenue It runs through half a dozen neighborhoods from Queens Village down to Woodhaven You know what they can pissed as I looked up a thing that has like, you know, every like the famous person from any the most famous person From any city fucking Woodhaven number one famous person who Donald Trump's fucking father. Yeah. Oh, yeah Interesting it wasn't Trash it wasn't the white clumps aka the Zabrowski family

Yeah, no, I'm always gonna have to contend with the fact that the from my fucking home County Haskell County It's always gonna be Rick Perry. Oh That doesn't count. He's a douche that doesn't work Yeah, my Steven's point, Wisconsin. I got Robo cup. Yeah You know mine Peter Weller Yeah, he's Robo cup. He shot it all. He shot a bunch of dicks off. Yeah Well at Woodhaven though Jamaica Avenue meets Atlantic Avenue Which bisects the Brooklyn neighborhoods of Bed-Stuy and Crown Heights where Joel found even more strolls on this particular

Five-mile stretch if nobody satisfied Joel in Brooklyn at the end of Atlantic Avenue or at least near the end of Atlantic Avenue He'd take Flatbush Avenue north to the BQE. Yeah Yeah, BQE baby. All right, Henry, none of this is a compliment to you. These are roads, most of which have massive potholes and are difficult to navigate. Atlantic Avenue is the worst fucking good street to drive down in New York City. It's awesome. It's like in Atlantic Avenue. I love that. That's my fucking city dude. You don't even love it. You're a high stress. I lived over there. I lived over there in fucking in Bed-Stuy off of Atlantic Avenue for five fucking years. You didn't live over there You didn't live there. I didn't want to. I grew up there and I knew what it was like

But you know this thing is you guys never been to see again Billy Joel at MSG because he breaks down when he's doing New York state of mind He calls out all the counties Man you really can't get that Queens trash out of the Queens boy. I'm not wearing any clothes right now. We know Well out of downtown Brooklyn Joel would get on the BQE. He'd take it up north to the Williamsburg Bridge He'd take the Williamsburg Bridge across Directly into Manhattan, which is where the majority of the women he murdered were picked up You know what Henry actually have to apologize because as soon as Marcus said Williamsburg Bridge, I was like right now That's my town. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah, we already went through past bed. We went past Bed-Stuy Bed-Stuy

That was mine But it's a thing once he got into Manhattan There was a whole new network of strolls to go past He'd start in the Lower East Side near the foot of the bridge at a stroll on Allen and Forsyth Right there where the Lower East Side starts turning into Chinatown Then if you didn't see anything like there He turned north to 42nd Street and find a stroll a couple of avenues away from Times Square near Port Authority Yeah

Finally he'd loop back south near the Javits Convention Center on the west side, which I did that's where Comic-Con is every year I didn't know Javits Center used to be like a huge stroll for sex workers That's where you should get fucking shot in the head dude Yeah, it's all all of these places were really really rough during this time period and he'd do this same circle every night Yeah, well not necessarily every night, but as many not when he had gas money He'd fucking do it. It's this huge circuit then after Javits Center He'd cut back down Manhattan and then he'd go back to the East Village across first and second avenues for a couple of more strolls

And finally if he found no one of interest or no one within his meager price range He'd hit the Jamaica Avenue stroll in Queens one last time before heading home this entire trip He said like this entire circuit be about four hours. I was gonna say that takes forever Well, it's how he spent his whole night. He's doing it in the middle of the night There's no traffic at that time. So that's you know, that's but you could probably make that full circuit not stopping in An hour hour and a half like probably an hour and a half, but he's stopping a lot Isn't the term edging or gooning like there's a term about like you build yourself Gooning just being hard a long period of time and that's what he'd do

Like that's that's kind of what he would do and he was just as into the interview stage We talked about this. He was it was it was weird of all of the killers. It's really never been about sex It's about the he felt like he was a known quantity in all of these places where everybody else He was just a fucking Just an annoying Fuck like just looked at him. They everybody hated him in just a wrecked area But they show up there and he'd be big man on campus. Sure. Well, I mean, I would I know that not everyone did hate him People like this. There's so many people that like every once in a while

He connects with someone because they always there was no shortage of people that would say like, yeah, I knew Joel He was fine Yeah, it's just it's fine Yeah, fuck Joel. I fucked Joel a couple of times. I blew Joel a couple times fine. Yeah, it's fine. Whoa. Oh, mr. Anderson To fuck them all. It's fine. It's a good day. Good guy Yeah, well for that stroll that's over on the east side. That's 53rd and 3rd. Oh, that's a whole yeah That's what the Ramones were. Yeah, that's where he was. That's where Robert Maple Thorpe was a time or two when he was in his phase There's a lot of stuff going on at 53rd and 3rd, but that's also in the 70s. It's a whole different time period fantastic

But even though the Queen's stroll was Joel Rifkins. Sorry, Henry. It was his least favorite stroll It was here on September 1st 1991 that Joel picked up the next woman he would murder Mary Ellen DeLuca Now Mary Ellen suffered from addiction like many of the women Joel killed So therefore Joel claimed that before they were able to do any business He had to drive around with her for 10 hours Looking for her drug of choice, which highly annoyed Joel I also don't know if this is true because I do not believe it would take you 10 hours to find any drug in New York City in

1991 maybe 10 minutes. He's just an asshole I think that this is really like he got mad that she was like making him drive around and This thing too because it how do we talk about he set up these factors that he then would it would make it quote-unquote Inevitable for him to kill the people just being like well, she's not respecting me So respect my time like we're here doing this thing and then she wants to go run around and do all this Like he always has these excuses of why this one had to be murdered Yeah, but on this occasion Joel perhaps emboldened by the fact that he killed three women and hadn't come close to an investigation He stepped outside of his comfort zone for the first time instead of taking DeLuca back to his mother's house

He brought her to a seedy motel in a strip mall in Long Island a few miles from his home in East Meadow Now after Mary Ellen scored some drugs Joel rented a room But DeLuca said that she needed to get high before they got down the business. Yeah, but once they did Joel claimed that she acted bored and kept asking are you done yet? Are you done yet? Are you done yet? Over and over and over again. I mean, I don't know if Joel was a regular Peter North They have like a Romantic encounter. Yeah This of course agitated Joel if it is indeed true, but I do actually think that what came next might well

Have at least a kernel of truth and if it is true, it's about the saddest fucking serial killer story I've ever heard. This is the first time I would put a trigger warning for how sad for how sad this is It's incredibly sad Joel said that after the sex DeLuca kept going on and on about how much she hated life And how she just wanted it to be over and after Joel said he asked her several times if she wanted to die and after She said yes each time Joel climbed on top of her and strangled her without a second thought Rifkin said that while he was strangling her DeLuca did nothing and simply Accepted it making her allegedly the only one who didn't resist in other words

It sounds to me as if DeLuca died from suicide by serial killer Just as someone might die from suicide by cop dang and then again, you never really know with Joel Because he's a serial killer. Yeah, that's not the most reliable source But there's not there's something to there's something that he said because again It's all about he had a very distinctly Photographic memory about each one of these encounters because he played over and over and over and over again and I think in a way it kind of in His thing it was like and that was a good one I did because I ended a misery like he acted like that where he was like and she asked for it

And I delivered I did what she needed and it was just and it's just obviously it's sort of the it's kind of the season of the witch For his little VHS collection. It doesn't really fit into the Halloween lore It's just Halloween 3 which I actually really enjoy That was the problem. Yeah, so this one doesn't really fit in with his with his overall theme Just seems like a lot of people were really sad back then. They still are but I look at pictures for my childhood and no one is smiling I don't remember anything. I don't remember all the whole years of it Yeah, and it's like no one's happy everything. It's just you know, everyone's got like I remember getting my starter jacket When I got the giant starter jacket. I remember being happy then

That's I never getting a ghost buster's firehouse. I was happy man. That's awesome Which team which team was the starter Jagos and Nick's Matt New York Giants giants. Okay, cool. Cool. Not bad. Yeah, it does I got the apex jacket For the for the Washington football club. Mm-hmm. Thank you. Thank you What are they called now the commanders? I think it's called you the common dance or something I think they're the Washington DC caterers now. Yeah, incredible. At least honoring caterers and how are they would be nice Hmm by the way after the murder Joel inspired again by the Hitchcock movie frenzy He drove to Kmart and bought a steamer trunk to dispose of DeLuca's body

Just as the killer and the movie had done But since this was Joel's first murder outside his own home He was a little awkward about it and figured that he needed to make a show to the motel clerk Who most likely barely registered Joel's existence. Do how many people went in there to murder sex workers? He's seen it. You know what I mean? But he acted like he needed to be like Mr. Bean or something like he needed to like all I'm gonna have to sneak my way out of here Yeah, dog and pony show. It's a seedy hotel attached to a strip mall

Yeah, I can't imagine that anyone that goes and spends the night doesn't die Well Rifkin brought pieces of empty luggage besides the steamer trunk. He bought it brought him in and out of the room again Trunks of luggage India to the United States he's bringing in suitcases. He's bringing him backpacks just like back and forth I guess he's trying to confuse my suit bags and it all my trombone case Finally like in the middle of all this like to mix up He brings the steamer trunk with the body inside past the front desk

He then goes back and has a whole conversation with the clerk about yeah, I'm just I'm just moving some stuff upstate You know me I'm actually the new da New da new da Rockland County. That's me. I'm just moving upstate. That's what I'm doing That's me. Oh my god. Meanwhile, the clerk is just like just kill her and get her out of here. I don't Yes, I have another victim coming through this body seriously I'm an overnight clerk at a strip mall hotel

And as it was Joel did indeed move the body upstate he drove the corpse up near West Point and Left the body at a picnic area near a hot dog truck But kept the steamer trunk so he could use it again in the future And even though DeLuca's family did look for her Police upstate didn't make the connection because of the massive amount of bodies popping up in and around New York City Geez West Point ain't that far from here. Therefore Mary Ellen DeLuca was buried as a Jane Doe and wasn't identified Again until Rifkin confessed in 1993 also for those wondering what a steamer trunk is No, it is not a trunk just full of other people's farts

It is the thing that has all of the your family quilts in it It's that if I were to think of steamer trunk in a dirty way I would think it was a trunk full of turds turds. Yeah, but fully-formed turds Yeah, now that I'm on probiotics, it's so nice One tube I get one tube Fantastic, I love the the Colgate like asshole that Ernie, DeLuca's a star. That's horrible. Horrible actually A roast as dark as the night

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Prosecutors want to portray to use a cliche. Yeah, it was kind of like a bolt the lightning or whatever It was that element. I mean, it's just random choice Um, if like I'm gonna say it's like 10% of your day is like I want to kill It's still like a bunch of time. Yeah, come on. I have a busy life I got a go pretend to run a lawn mowing business I got a listen on my mother's thing. Okay, cold cuts Right, yeah, so yeah, I took a little mental vacation every day Now you're gonna sue me

Me cuz I'm taking a little fall vacation. It was the murders. It's mostly the murders I'm really I really wish I could do math because I would like cuz you're awake for what most people are way for what 18 hours a Day 16 hours a day 16 18 someone 16 18 and like if you're and if you're thinking about murder For 2% of that. I wonder how many minutes that is Okay, 18 times 60 1080 This is gonna work Henry. I think it works 108 minutes a day One too long horror movie is your life. Okay

No, well Joel maintains that staving off the urge to murder wasn't that big of a deal during the first five murders The urge increased exponentially with each one as it often does with serial killers the law of diminishing returns In fact Joel actually gave himself credit for not murdering anyone in the weeks after DeLuca's death even though He really really wanted to Somebody give me credit. Come on. Come on It's a back of the day because I knew you know like those stack well cookies man They're not cookies, but I'll eat a whole sleeve in one go Styrofoam I think that's where Michael plastic started

But as he later said his willpower would eventually wane and he compared his eventual weakening to something as mundane as Breaking a New Year's resolution. He said quote Resolutions with the full intention of like yes This he is my last cigarette. Well, I'm gonna exercise every day and he exercise For about two weeks three weeks and then you stop you find an excuse and you start again for one or two more days That's how we saw serial killer. That's how it is. Oh, I see I mean, it's like, you know, oh, I gotta fuck cut out of my candy and think the next thing I know I'm killing another woman. Yeah, named candy perhaps. Yeah, I don't think that these things are really equivalent

I know he's like, you know, if you if you accidentally have a cigarette and always full of shit But the more the Joel murdered the easier it was to commit the act and the next victim You know Lee was actually someone that Joel sort of knew and had visited multiple times This murder Joel said was the only one he regretted because he actually liked her But that's the thing. I don't think that he regretted killing her because he liked her I think he regretted killing her because he couldn't go to her anymore. He couldn't Because he's dead. Yes And I just said that they first drove to a parking lot to do business, but when Joel couldn't get an erection he blamed it on

There being too many people around with too much happening. I can't get hard When Marcus says business, of course, this was the invention of Krispy Kreme and what they were Yes But when they went to a different location to no avail when it came to an erection Joel Strangled Lee simply because he was agitated. Yeah, yeah, he said also he didn't blame it He's like, well, I had just had gotten a blowjob two hours before Yeah, and he couldn't do it, but then it's also weird. He also said when this is weird He said when he was strangling her she said and this is real she mouths. You're making a big mistake

This is a big mistake and in his mind. He was like, maybe that's cause she liked me. That was like his response So it's like oh, yeah, it's because she said about losing me her favorite customer. Oh my god, Joel I don't think that's the case, buddy I'm a good customer Duncan in the tri-state area Yeah, what I like I like I like tuna just I don't like any of the bread like a cup of it Coffee with it You got the Dunkin Donuts tuna. Oh, yeah, buddy

hot coffee I call that the lieutenant special Absolutely disgusting Killing you that's the worst fucking can you imagine I can't sit down on the train next to a guy fucking cup of tuna and hot coffee Well after killing you Lee he drove the body back to East Meadow Still lying in the passenger seat to a lot Joel had rented See even though Joel had been having a bear of a time finding a job following his firing from record world He had tried to start a landscaping business of a sort once you own full lawnmower was uh-huh the business begins itself

Turns out it doesn't He was very bad I don't know if you guys guessed that he might be extremely bad at running a business at lawn care Yeah, I can see that not working out incredibly difficult work. It's hot. Yeah, you can't just be a lazy fuck Yeah, do the work. He just didn't show up. He just wouldn't show up to mow people's fucking lawns That's what the guy from the New York Scott Jazz Ensemble said is that they hired him. They just wouldn't come up Excuse me, I'm sorry Put the trumpet down. He actually is also wearing the shirt

Fucking pump it always be pumping always be hustling bro Yeah, my thing is I wish Joe could learn the lesson that Scott teaches us all If you don't show up nobody's gonna skank for you But nevertheless Joel found a way to turn the lot that was supposed to be for a career into something for his hobby See the lot had a storage shed Which was where Joel had stored the steamer trunk He'd used to transport the body of Mary Ellen DeLuca once Joel arrived at the shed. He put the steamer trunk into the bed Carried Yoon Lee's body from the front seat placed it in the trunk and drove it to a rocky hillside in the South Bronx

There Joel tossed the trunk into the Harlem River near what was then the tri-burrow bridge But is now the RFK even though everyone still calls it the fucking tri-burrow bridge The tri-burrow bridge always fucking will be the tri-burrow bridge always will be you know They still have there's still one sign that I know some asshole just refuses to replace One sign that still says tri-burrow bridge. Absolutely RFK. I never like bridges that are named after people who died in tragedy It just seems like a bad omen. I don't know. I'm gonna have a real hard time if we ever have like a Kobe Bryant bridge Somebody who died in his sleep at 99. Yeah, absolutely I'm starting to think this this old guy the old chimney sweep fella there. He's 98. He's got a young girlfriend

She's 70. What's the name of that dude? You got the old skeleton teeth. He's still around I That one did not That'd be good. It actually works. Oh, it does. No, no, give me a major Deegan any day just a man Yeah, the major Deegan Expressway It's up near the RFK to the Bronx you take that get out the RFK you get on the major Deegan Expressway It's how you get out out of the city get upstate Well, yeah, we need the Betty white desalination center. Oh, that would be great. Get the salt out get the salt down

Well pretty soon though Lee's body came free from the trunk and floated downstream where it was fished out of the water between east 123rd street and Randall's island not too far from the dumping site Now after Lee the gloves were off when it came to how casually Rifkin killed women Where his first few murders were remembered in detail Joel doesn't even remember the name of the sixth woman he killed picked up at the strolled near port authority on 46th and 8th Number six as she's still known today

Was killed quickly and without even the pretension of provocation And her body was stored in the landscaping lot under a tarp for later disposal After Joel went home and took a nap. He returned that afternoon to stuff the corpse into a 55 gallon drum from a recycling plant Which was the method that would supplant his previous disposal mo for the next few murders I mean he acts like me after eating too much barbecue He just goes to take a nap and just like nothing like I didn't just murder this woman. I'll take care of it later Oh, god, he really feels not yeah I mean really, you know, but that's a pretty apt. That's a pretty astute observation because it really it's he sees it with the same

Uh weight as I'll do the dishes in the morning, you know, I am actually and especially now I realize especially after watching that interview with him with the FBI guy. I think he did it for the fantasy Like it's the opposite. It's like he doesn't do it to have the body He doesn't do it because he loves the act of murder necessarily. I think he does love the act of murder And he doesn't like to talk about it too much. I think he likes the power he gets He must think he likes it for the video play afterwards in his brain Well, he likes it because he's a man who kills like he likes being he he just like that guy I'm that guy. Yeah, I'm a murderer. You know, it's like you few people don't know this about me. I'm a murderer

I kill people you can fuck with me all you want But what you don't know is that I could kill you at any moment because I've killed somebody else But well, I don't think you could kill me. I'm a grown man. It doesn't seem like you really kill you No, he can only pray upon people You literally only kill a very sick woman very late at night. Exactly. Now. It's a security blanket. That's all it is Yeah Well after putting the body in the drum He drove both back to the south bronx to a spot where people routinely abandoned cars and

Unusable parts from local chop shops and here is where Joel almost got caught for the first and only time until he was arrested Wow Just after Rifkin pushed the 55 gallon drum containing a murder victim into the water He turned around to see two cops who are responding to a call that someone was doing a legal dumping Thinking quickly Joel said I ain't dumping I'm scavenging That's what he said. He's like, I'm not dumping. I'm scavenging technically. I'm clearing the litter You don't know this yet, but there's a movie that's gonna come out called walley

I am like You could see the two cops just uh looking at this fucking shammul As he's like because he's like, you know me I only they're like, oh, yeah, that's what you're doing He's like listen. This is the excuse he gave to the cops I'm I just lie so much Truly, I lie so much. I'm scavenger. I'm a dog. This is what I do. So I forget what I'm doing half the time Yeah, and then when the cops were kind of dubious about it He picked up a fucking old axle that someone had thrown away and he said quote

I can get about 30 bucks for this Like he just starts picking shit up and naming prices. I got this This old shoe I got this this oh, oh, look at these fishes skeleton No, scary scary if you put that in a horror museum It's like if edgine produced, uh, american pickers Yeah, no, oh, yeah, I can get 20 bucks for that. But May how do you even get a 55 gallon drum?

Like we talk about all the time. He stole it from a recycling plant. Yeah, he stole it Yeah And so the cops not wanting to deal with this obvious pain in the ass They just suggested riff can go scavenge elsewhere. They just give him a get out of here. Let's get out of here Nailed it again Well, after that riff can felt even more emboldened and got even riskier as to where he picked up future victims Number seven was 28 year old lorraine orvieto who was found in bay shore long island Much closer to joe's home. And if you'll notice I'm being very good about saying long island every single time

I want to make sure that our long islanders out there like our editor our editor rob That's right. So big ups rob. Good work. Not killing anybody long Having a constructive life Well after joe killed this woman in an empty schoolyard during sex He rifled through her purse only to find a bottle of az t Which was an early drug used to treat hiv This I think is where we find one of the most baffling aspects of the joel riff can story See even though he never used a condom during oral sex and only wore a condom if a sex worker asked him to

Which is incredible considering how he murdered 17 of them. He'd put on a condom if she asked He never caught hiv himself from the hundreds of high-risk sex workers. He slept with What's even more incredible is that while he did test positive for hepatitis The free clinic he visited called him up a few days later To tell him that they'd mixed up his test results with someone else Which is good for joel, but terrible for the person who thought they didn't have hepatitis. Absolutely. That's why I'm invisible Invisible I can't even I'm teflon. It's these stds. They show up and it's just like my penis itself says Get out of here. You can't handle me

If this entire series which ends with this episode Ends with him being like enshrined in the science hall of fame for having the only blood that can cure all stds I'm going to be like really upset like if it um, it's just him next to that statue of a mouse They wouldn't take all the mice. Oh, I mean he got the clap often. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he had her. He had her He had herpes upstairs upstairs downstairs herpes forever. Yeah, so yeah, man. He did not He even dodged that bullet. He just dodged the fatal bullets breakfast no curpes I gotta But regardless of Joel Rifkin's undeserved wait breakfast no curpes. What the fuck is that every nook and cranny?

Oh, yeah, like Lindsey Graham and his ladybugs But regardless of Joel Rifkin's undeserved luck He disposed of both Lorraine or vietos and the body of the next woman he killed Using those same 55 gallon oil drums and he dumped both near Coney Island. So he's dumping bodies everywhere He's dumping them in Coney Island. He's dumping them upstate. He's dumping them to South Bronx He's throwing them off of the fucking, you know in the East River Like that's part of what makes it so difficult for the cops to see like, oh, there's a serial killer here Because he's just all it's all over the city and even outside of the city and in jersey like it's fucking everywhere

And there's already so many murders a year Yeah, like it's all blending together and this is like when he's fully in his aggressive like berserk mode Where he's just going out every night and doing it real and real quick succession Yeah, and these aren't the only yeah, these aren't the only sex workers showing up dead in New York City He's not the only one doing this For his next murder though Rifkin returned to Manhattan and picked up 25 year old Iris Sanchez Who was driven down to one of the spots where the Macy's fireworks are set off every 4th of July And after the subsequent murder Rifkin started driving back to east meadow with the body

But instead of taking her all the way Joel decided to emulate the green river killer and dumped the body near the airport In this case jfk After driving Was it an ech just because you don't like jfk or an ech because he uh is a cop emulating the green river killer Copycat also Rule applies rfk jfk No No, that's why I prefer that's why I prefer LaGuardia because you know, the mayor is a good mayor

A real mayor After driving into a vacant lot Rifkin found a discarded mattress and simply hid the body underneath And just left it there. Oh my god when he got home though He was met with quite an irate mother All of you think that the cops are scary or what I do scary you ain't never met mrs. Rifkin Yeah, oh you better not. I mean I once used the doily to call like I had a little clean up all his blood, right? I use the doily to do it He wouldn't even let it go. She's like where's my doily?

Apparently Joel had ditched a shift at a liquor store where he'd been hired part time And his boss had been calling because it was a particularly busy Mother's Day weekend, which seems odd because I've never thought of Mother's Day as a hard liquor holiday You never had a mom from a long island I suppose so we can't keep this francy out in stock God damn it. Is it Mother's Day weekend or something? I I forgot also to mention in speaking of jobs, you know that baba boo. He said he worked with Joel Rifkin Yeah, at the record store. Baba boo. Baba boo. Yeah, wow from the rex turn show there

But regardless when Joel went to finish out the shift at the liquor store after a long night of murder He did so with a ring a watch and a bracelet taken from iris Sanchez's corpse stuffed in his pocket Well, perhaps the most incredible fact of this entire tale though is that what seems like iris's body would be found immediately It stayed in that vacant lot under that mattress for well over a year Until Joel Rifkin led police to the dumping site himself. Uh, we don't know no officer, but straw me We don't want to look under that mattress that obviously looks like it has a corpse in her Yeah, you see that mattress right there. That's 12 hours of paperwork Leave the mattress

No, that's still the fucking deal in new york city They will if you try to report a crime to a cop he will actively try to get you to not report it So he doesn't have to do the fucking paperwork. I mean to be honest He's gonna actively make he's gonna actively want to make you to he's gonna make you confess to the crime Yeah, because then he'll just put you do it then so you must have done it then it seems like you have a lot of information on this crime No, I was I am the one that received the crime Not even know a lot about this crime

When I got knockout gamed and I went to the cops and the two kids that beat me up They went up and I told the cops that I got the I got punched in the back of the head And the cop was like, you know, it is with these kids if they're not fucking they're beating this you're not a people Thank you. That's it That was it. Thank you Just the worst is where the cop is like, I could see why they would do that to you I know let's think about And then he goes and the other guy grabs his arm and he's like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was an actual impulse

But concerning iris Sanchez Rifkin said that while he murdered her with what he considered to be a fair amount of skill He's still maintained that he killed her quote efficiently by accident See Rifkin true to form couldn't even feel good about himself as a serial killer and complained that sometimes It was too hard. I'm gonna fucking kill this man I know what it is about this little bitch is that you know what he wanted? I really do believe this. He kept saying like, you know, I I was never really good at it And I think that what he literally wanted was for Mladenovic bring going like no, I think you were really good, Joe

I think he wanted to hear like no, Joe. You're one of the best so he could be like, you know But no one would give him that would they No, they wouldn't no well talking to Mladenich Joe again brought his non-existent athletic abilities into the mix Saying that while he should have gotten better at the act of killing throughout his career He just didn't he then went on to compare himself to tiger woods Who had recently come out of a slump at the time of Joel's interview Rifkin said that when woods went no slump

mental No, there's nothing you have nothing in common with tiger woods absolutely nothing No, no, no, no, no, we both had very inspiring fathers Nike would have dropped my sponsorship by now Oh, that is true. Yeah. Yeah, Rifkin said that when woods went into his slump Tiger spent two years practicing his swing over and over again until he returned to form But Rifkin complained that because he couldn't consistently practice strangling women to death He never quote got good at it because I try to do it to myself

But next thing you know, I'm asleep Right. I was just like, I love your ma. I gave do anything to do my she's free She's gonna go to do the Outlander tour I gotta go do erotica tour I'm scry. I went I got a melon. I was trying to squeeze it. It is not the same You know for a fact his mom used to get quite wet thinking about Lorenzo Lamas in renegade I think you get wet. No Hey, what's up everyone? How you doing ben kissle here with Henry Zabrowski?

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It's weed. Hail yourselves everyone. Hail Satan But no matter his supposed skill level Rifkin murdered two more women in quick succession picked up from queens in the lower east side Then he took a job at a temp agency that placed him at a camera warehouse in long island How many times do we meet killers every day? Because all of these jobs we you never know you never know You never know. I mean it's like I mean the one that made me really think about that was him in the liquor store Holding the bracelet of the woman that right with the bracelet of the woman

He just killed in his fucking pocket Like how many people like some guy that you just pay five bucks to for a sandwich and he just fucking strangled someone to death Yeah, and he's just a miserable fucking job and he's bad at it. You know what I mean? It's like that guy you think would be a serial killer It seems like they don't really excel at much no No, there at the camera warehouse Rifkin worked with a high school acquaintance named Michael Brown And the two eventually became friendly after Brown began giving Rifkin rides to work when his truck broke down Surprisingly, Rifkin and Brown had a fairly normal work buddy relationship had a lunch together

Occasionally they meet up for happy hour after shifts And this is why I think Rifkin is so full of shit when it comes to His interactions with other people and how much everyone hated him. There are plenty of people. They're just he's fine He was fine But he just didn't live that special life that special perfect life that he felt like he deserved But when brown would ask Rifkin, hey, would you do over the weekend? Rifkin stayed vague only saying quote Oh, nothing

I just hung out Where'd you hang out? Around Yeah, like a park or like did you go watch the what's the meds night? I hung out I stood I went to a place and I I stood in one place It was mostly about eight hours Wow

Watch the meds game at all or no, nothing I was around Okay, don't various things in attending to various objects all right personas Great well other than that the only red flag Rifkin showed was that when his truck wasn't broke down He would never let anyone inside and he always made sure to park as far away as possible from the rest of the staff But speaking of cars Rifkin just like he'd been with talking about record world He showed no emotion in talking about his next and 13th victim

But he got very upset when he recounted that the gear shift lever had been bent during the murder I can't believe you hurt my truck while I was strangling you to death. It's like, yeah, fuck you dude I mean it wasn't even about hurting the truck. It wasn't about blaming her for hurting the truck It was that he had an inconvenience to deal with like that gear shift was bent And so he couldn't put it into drive. Well, he could put it into drive. It was just really hard to put it into drive And it was going to be an inconvenience to him But that's kind of what he said too was that he That was the only times he felt anything like was that those moments?

He said like he said that a Mladenovich asked him was like does the killing make you feel alive and he's just like You know, like it's not about being alive. Uh, it's about being aware a heightened sense of smell color feeling You know, you know, like even like when a guy like mark maguire hit 70 home runs in a You're not mark maguire. You're not tiger woods. Joe. No, you're not You remember one or two of them, you know, it's being like the ultimate home run. You know what I mean? But you know, it's just kind of a sense. It's like, you know, when the car wouldn't start That's like a a heightened sense of awareness

Wow, this guy really put himself on a pedestal, huh? He did but also put himself down yeah And additionally as Mary Catherine Williams was Rifkin's 13th victim Joel got superstitious and got rid of the body as fast as he could Dumping her in the woods near an industrial park in Yorktown However, even though Joel was nervous about this murder Do you think he would have done the thing like they do in hotels and just like not have named it? 13th victim 14

However, even though Joel was nervous about this murder He kept a large wicker basket full of costume jewelry that Williams dragged around with her Which led police to believe upon searching Joel's room that there were potentially hundreds of victims But while hundreds of victims sounds a bit ridiculous. It's not the most out of the world notion The body of the next woman Rifkin killed Ginny Soto was dumped at almost the same exact place Where Rifkin had dumped Ewan Lee's body in the South Bronx But while the cops did admittedly investigate that murder

They didn't even think about the possibility of a serial killer And instead did their best to pin Ginny Soto's death on her boyfriend an aspiring rapper lost to the sands of time named Popcorn You know how this you gotta you gotta wrap yourself in a buttery way I don't make it in music. I'm going to the police academy That's where I'm going You're gonna do great. You're both day. You're gonna be a detective You're gonna be a detective one day Popcorn Popcorn. Did you did did you ever make a mixtape or anything like that?

Yeah, it's hot fire Yeah, you gotta check it out. Hot fire. You like mixtapes dawg Ten dollars I put it in your hand, bitch. I put it in your hand. You fucking bitch. Give me that money. All right. Here's your ten dollars I actually don't want the cd Give me the money Here's the money If you ever visit new york city and someone tries to hand you a cd run away Do not take it from him hands in the air hands in the pocket

Do not take the mixtcd from the man. He will demand money from you You know who also fucking does that those motherfucking buddhas They hand you that gold card and then they're like they hold it like they give you for good luck and they're like donation donation Oh, I thought you fucking were one with everything. I thought I thought we were all just atoms, bro Yeah, and if a guy bumps into you and Comes up to you and says that you made him drop his glasses He did not drop his glasses. You brought some prescript some fucking reading glasses from cvs And he's trying to scam you he's scamming you. Yeah, and if a guy's got his gun in your mouth

Make sure you stick your tongue in the hole Absolutely no problem But since jenny soto was physically the hardest woman to murder out of all of them So the point where joel had to break her neck He slowed down for a few weeks until february of 1993 when he picked up leah evens Evens as it turned out was not a lost soul like so many others killed by riftgen She was the daughter of a manhattan civil court judge and it's thought that her night with riftgen might have been her first ever as a sex worker

From what riftgen claimed leah stopped joel in the middle of the act and asked her to drive her to a friend's house And joel said that since she made him feel uncomfortable He strangled her to death But perhaps because joel got the feeling that she wasn't like all the others Which tells you that he was getting far more relaxed about his victim type He buried her in a shallow grave the only time he ever buried someone he killed Go ahead and have bones. Yeah, but as it turned out that shallow grave was very shallow

One might say lazily shallow and almost three months later a couple on a nature hike Saw leah evens hand sticking out of the ground Still painted with red nail polish Oh, despite her more elevated background though, she also wasn't identified until joel was caught But on the other hand that also had to do with the fact that joel was very very near To getting captured speaking of being brazen riftgen was not only getting more careless with his victim type But also where he killed who was around while he was doing it and how long he waited before getting rid of the evidence Case in point in terms of all three was the last murder joel riftgen committed that of 22 year old tiffani brecciani

See brecciani had been a performer at one of new york city's sex emporiums the big top lounge Which at one point had actual carousel horses ridden by topless dancers These places must have been so fun. I know everybody was like scared there and there was a lot of problem I Do feel like like that's fun like any of like a second show like I'm gonna tell you this I don't know if it was I went to a place called dino's bikini bar. It was near msg, right? Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about and then I slowly but surely found out that a the girls weren't allowed to speak

Be none of them were from here and then I just kind of found out that I think they were all being trafficked Oh, that was then it was shut down about six months later with a lot of red tape. I want a fun Safe environment where you could go. I don't know if the booby emporium Like like jumbo's cloud room is really great in LA right where it's like you go and it's like a show like it's like it's really fun You know like that sounds cool. I like a show. I like to go there and this singing I like you go there. Do you see the talents? They could do some impressions show the boobies. No, I know what you like and that's why I don't think you'd enjoy that Yeah, yeah the event. I think it's always the floors the floors are always in really bad shape in those places. Yeah

Yeah, that's the biggest problem. Yeah The janitorial staffer asleep That's all right. The floor is just it just floors tell you a lot about a place. They do a breast I'm serious. No, I believe it. I believe it. Yeah, so I only go to strip clubs with marble floors It's fun to watch everyone fall down. It's like Falling in the tits Yeah Yeah, I went to this one place that used one of the last porno shops in like subway stations on 42nd

And 8th when I worked over there in 2000. Yeah, I went there with with the boss ones who asked me to go there After work one day because It wasn't back in the day that was 2010 And it's 2006 it's 2006 so we both well, that's the things we both lived in Harlem and we would take the train home together one day And then one day he was like, you know, I gotta run a little errand before we before I go home You don't go with me. You want to go ahead? He was trying to have sex with you. Yeah, he was definitely trying to have sex with you I know yeah, maybe maybe where people feel comfortable showing you their most disgusting habits

Like in that way since I was a teenager you've seen everybody's porn. Yeah, no, I never went to buy porn with my boss No, never and I work in show business. No, no, and it wasn't it wasn't that weird I mean it was weird, but yeah, and I ended up like I ended up buying like a DVD Just because I felt like kind of weird not buying a DVD because he was buying DVD What DVD did you buy? It was a class. It was like a vintage porn like compilation Um, it was like, uh, just you know, just porn you just fucking my twink employee He's come true I mean it was but he was also in charge of that. Well, no, I can't get I can't get more into the

I can't get more into the what that guy did without actually like saying like where I worked Um, but uh, and I incriminating them the incriminating. Yeah, yeah, shouldn't be doing that at this point Well, press the honey though It's not illegal No, it's not illegal. It's not it's not illegal. It's just a weird thing and yeah, I don't I don't want to put this place on blast Yeah But brecciani though She also had both a cocaine and a methadone habit and she could often be found on allen street in the lower east side

This fact was well known to joel riffkin who'd become obsessed with tiffani brecciani after seeing her perform After finding her picking her up and negotiating a fee of 20 bucks Riffkin drove her to a parking lot in his mother's sedan where he again couldn't maintain an erection This riffkin said got blamed on the fact that there was a guy in the van parked next to him. Oh my god Come on, buddy. Yes, you did it So after he waited for the guy to leave his field of vision joel grabbed tiffani brecciani by the neck and started strangling her But just before she passed out joel looked up to see that the guy from the van was now outside three feet away

Doing tai chi Completely oblivious, you know and the whole time i'm looking at him. I'm looking at him. I'm thinking. How's that even fucking exercise? It's just kind of he's it looks like he's pushing clouds to do us. I don't know what he's doing You know, I mean, I just got this Steven seggal looking dude doing tai chi Yeah under what are they under a fucking bridge? No, they're just in a parking lot somewhere New york peace you have to find it somewhere sure As soon as riffkin was done though He left brecciani's body in the backseat totally naked and drove it back to his home at around 7 a.m

Once he got there he told his now Constantly irate mother that he had to do some errands before she could have her car back Which because she's getting all the calls like where's joel? He was supposed to cut my lawn and they're all like he's not I don't know where he is And then like he's just the total absolute piece of fucking he's just the worst And she's constantly he's constantly taking her car at all hours and and she's Long since stopped asking him where you been what are you been doing where you at joel? Why are you out all night? I was at a night joel because she knows where he is now

She knows exactly where he is and she knows that she can't stop him without either locking the door to his room We're fucking murdering him. Yeah He then drove to kmart bought antifreeze oil and a tarp Then took the car to an empty lot where he wrapped tiffani brecciani's body in said tarp Which was then locked in the trunk Having hid the body temporarily joel took the car back home and handed the keys over to his mother Who unknowingly ran her errands that day with the body of a dead woman in the trunk? And the whole time because then what's interesting is that she leaves and he says and he quote

He's like and I was having like a little panic attack, which I think is not true I think that he was Understood a kind of what was happening like he's now directly put his quote-unquote beloved mother In with the fucking serial killers evidence. Oh my just and she's just going to the quilt store Going to dunk and just being like what would make her not what if she bought a bunch of fucking groceries and had to put him in the trunk Did he think about that? No, he was he's stupid. He's Stupid I see it's not that he's stupid. It's that at this one. He's just gotten lazy because that's the thing is that he knew

That when he got home his mom's gonna ask to use the car, but he didn't give himself enough time To get rid of the body, you know drive the car home get rid of the body put it somewhere Stop off at his fucking shed, but at this point he's probably lost his shed Uh, but he's just he's just not thinking things through like he was at the beginning he was also kind of in this He says he wasn't trying to get caught But it definitely reads as somebody trying to get caught or the very least not caring if he did right? Yes, yeah, it's more of that. He just didn't it. Yeah, it's just or he's give a fuck This doesn't give a fucking shit. Did he want the fame? It's all is he like berkowitz?

Did he want to be discovered? Did he want the headlines? We could we'll talk about that a little bit Yeah, yeah, he liked the attention, but it's complicated But even though Joel was a little nervous while his mother was gone for those four hours Wow, he decided to start on a little project to ensure that something like this wouldn't happen again Since his truck was always breaking down and he kept having to borrow his mother's car to murder women He decided it was time to put a new engine into an old masda single cab b-series junker that he owned Once his mother returned and night fell joel moved tiffani bressiani's corpse to the garage with a wheelbarrow And covered it with a tarp

He then forgot about the body completely for three days What while becoming hyper focused on the engine project? It's really weird Well concerning joel's hyper focus our head researcher pointed out to us that joel riftgen might have had Undiagnosed autism and not just because he became focused on a project to the point where he ignored a dead body Decomposing in the same room for three days From what we've been told concerning autism and joel riftgen joel showed multiple signs of being neurodivergent He was never able to look anybody in the eye He had very few facial expressions

He was never able to hold a job or maintain friendships and he had a very hard time understanding the emotions of others That being said it's important to note that joel riftgen was not a serial killer because he was possibly autistic Instead his possible autism had no more to do with his serial murders than denis raiders baldness had to do with his To sign of hi testosterone. Well, let's be honest. It's not a sign of touch. I don't even think that that's true I do think there's something about his bald head that made it scarier But it's not a causation, you know, right? It's a full it's a spice in the serial killer soup It's a it's a vegetable in the soup if if he had something like this his his serial killer soup Not if he was your killer soup. Yes

If there was some for on his if he was somewhere on the autism spectrum, absolutely, but he also just Was a fucking bastard and he had a social personality disorder It's something like many other things that make you a serial killer not this Well, the way I look at is that, you know, there's while there's no correlation between autism and serial killing or really any correlation between mental illness and violence at all Joel's possible undiagnosed neurodivergence might have been a contributing factor to his rapidly approaching capture See because Rifkin was so heavily focused on that engine the disposal of the decomposing body fell completely to the wayside Because it's not like Joel didn't know there was a body in the same room

He knew there was a body in there with it. Well, I'm assuming it started to smell a little bit. Yeah I mean, didn't you say that he like put like neosporin in his nostrils? He put neosporin up into his nostril So he wasn't smelling it and his family wouldn't go in there because he had become such a hoarder That no one wanted to go in and out of his bedroom or like so you have a normal woman's house in long island living there and her She has let her son Devolve into whatever he's become in his room and the garage and they've just sort of like allowed him to have those areas And they just stopped going in because it was already filthy. It was filled with old food

It was already smelled like rot And so it kind of slid within it. He's probably pissing in the corner. Like it's not it's not a good place It's not about it's a place that you want to stay out of okay But as soon as Joel repaired his Mazda pickup He loaded the body in the back and took it out to dispose of it somewhere problem was Since this was a junker the truck didn't have license plates and the first cop who saw Joel hit the red and blues Joel very unwisely panicked thinking that the cops would immediately smell the four-day old corpse in the back if he stopped So Joel decided to play duke's a hazard with a state trooper

Okay, it's time to put on my racing song But then you still go in steady in the summer 75 So he said they were crazy You are Oh, they're much too lazy You are lazy And he can never afford all of that kind of life Oh, but then Eddie would always know how to survive

I love that irish folk song So he's got a junker that he himself That's a long island classic It's something he's got a junker that he fixed himself and he thinks that he's going to be able to outrun a state trooper in a very nice state trooper vehicle Unwisely was the word that I used He wasn't thinking clearly Oh, he wasn't okay Well, not too long after exiting from the southern state parkway and running a stop sign the state trooper called in the situation and before along

Multiple cars were chasing after Joel the chase went on for 20 minutes But finally Joel took a turn too fast and lost control crashing into a utility pole The body was found almost immediately as Joel Rifkin was laid on the ground with his hands behind his back And after 17 murders He was finally arrested because of one simple mistake that was entirely his own because he's on the ground He was literally on the ground with his hands behind his head and that cops went up to him and they were like Do you know you don't have a license plate? Like that's why we're picking that's why we were pulling you over. Yeah, what a uh, if you're that cop

I mean, obviously it's horrible. What's happened here, but that's a hell of a that's a that's a big get That is literally how my father became you get to retire with you get to retire over a murderer He pulled over due to a kill two people and he pulled the number thing and then had a warrant out for his arrest The guy ran like 20 feet my dad caught him and he got a bunch of medals Wow, there you go. Yeah, that's crazy. And what did he do with that? Like, you know with that new found Straight to death, man He went straight to the desk and he never used he pulled his gun never again Never again

But he did I did he did he go to get a lot of uh, free entrances to like Mets games and shit like that Dude beta cop back day was pure freedom dude. You're splash the badge. We were Mets for free I go and saw Mets for free I got right up next like the dangerous part where they shoot the fireworks off We got to go through that whole thing really great. It's amazing dude phantom. It's all phantom of the opera for free We got that limo. Oh, yeah, was that like this year? Fourth of july where the nypd over here at one of the pier's Even though the entire fucking coast was just packed jam packed with people the nypd

Kept a very sparsely attended pier just for them and their fucking family. Yes. Is it like that? Is it like that shit? Is it like that bullshit? Yes. Yes in case of a nuclear attack Don't ask why Just get inside In the case of a nuclear holocaust first of all kissiest goodbye Second of all trains will not be running until Friday Yeah, trains are what trains will be running on a holiday schedule in case of a nuclear We talked about that a bit on top at this week that has got some that's got we got some good humor out of that

That's good. It's good. We got some good humor out of that Well pretty soon after arriving at the nearest police station joel who had never gotten any attention his whole life He talked for 13 hours straight Going into great detail about all 17 murders The first murder he went on trial for was tiffani brecciani And joel said that it was during this trial after seeing the families of the women that he killed That he finally began to realize that they hadn't just been objects. Ah, that's my bad That's your bad. It's on me

Okay, this did not however mean that joel felt empathy really all it did was change joel's perspective It's like a child who runs into his teacher at the grocery store And suddenly realizes that teachers don't live at the school and never leave. I thought they all love sucking dick I remember when I ran into my teacher at eldorado's in stevens point wisconsin We both met eyes and we both knew we shouldn't have been there. So it was silent Eldorado's is that a uh a gentleman's club? No, that was the porn store Oh the porn store I don't know if it's still there. I remember um, man, I was just doing some not research, but I was okay

So I was okay I'm saying you're what are you about to confess to I'm here for it, man fucking. Let's go You can rent sex dolls and I just thought that was funny because there's a website that I was looking at With someone and it was just like but I stumbled upon it and I just thought it was funny Because you can rent them Yes, the idea of the poor fucks that have to clean Yeah, yeah, and then the sex dolls are really weird And but anyway, you know, there's that so it's America's only sex doll store and the first question is why rent?

And you can you can literally rent and deliver them to you and you can rent them you can rent them by the hour Right if you own your own You have all the maintenance you have to do yourself. Yeah, it's so hard if you have a busy schedule The best part about our renting sex dolls is that you can leave them anywhere in a ditch under a mattress. No one will know It's kind of what they said anyway, so it's renting. It's not leasing a sex doll because I had an idea that That you were Yeah, that you were that you would have the sex doll for like a year maybe two years and then you could trade in for a new one But no, it's it's by the hour rental, huh? It's a rental. It's it's a bizarre

It's a bizarre. I think that's better Yeah Yeah, now Joel Rifkin believed that he'd somehow cheat the system and be set free despite killing 17 women He thought fucking moron Well, what he thought was he thought that they had illegally entered into his home and that all because all of the other murders Like yeah, there was the confessions, but all the other murders all of that evidence was found like in his house And he thought like okay. Yeah, they got me for Tiffany Bresciani But you know if I get that pled down to like manslaughter then I could just do 25 years

He'd had this idea that because when they went to search the house that they didn't tell his mother that they were Charging him with murder that like which is not what you do because literally the whole point is to like that's where the evidence is You want to tell people what evidence you're looking for because if you do they'll they'll try to hide the evidence What you have to do is go in there and you have a search warrant You're allowed to enter into the house and so we're here to investigate if you truly are america's number one mother I see this mug, but where's the evidence? Cuff this bitch. You're at least number five No, I'm making it number one because guess who number one is

my fucking mother Oh my god I believe that He seriously thought that he was going to do 25 years for killing Tiffany Bresciani And then he was going to get released and then live the rest of his life as he yes He called it an eccentric celebrity writer. He thought that's what his life was going to be Yeah, he's I can just see he's definitely one of those guys on facebook who post the none of my information is up for sale Do not facebook has no right to any of my content

Yeah, the only person that ever worked out for was John Hinckley. That was it. Yeah, you know did 40 years Even his shows are getting cancelled. They are well the shows. Are they really? Yeah. Yeah that market hotel show got cancelled Uh because of the threats death threats and all that They tried to kill the president He didn't do it if anything Reagan should thank him if he didn't kill him He did kill brady though approval ratings run. No, he didn't kill brady. Yeah, he killed brady Yeah, the bullet that he shot brady with later. I don't do that. I don't do the thing where it's like He's saying it's the bullets fault

All I know is he helped that man immensely get reelected. Yes. He did yes. He did but But let's right here. This is my favorite part of the entire Joel Rifkin story So Joel Rifkin, you know, he's on the cover of the new york post. I killed 17 women He's hot shit in new york city. Everybody's talking about Joel Rifkin and he's loving and he's running his defense like a general Right. He's just like you I'll tell you there's a quote from a letter He wrote to his attorney where he was like if I want you to think something's important I'll fucking tell you it's important because I know what's important. Yeah, really? Okay, no, he's he's ruling the roost man. I mean he's cock of the walk here

But in one of the craziest moments I've ever heard of the universe writing itself Just as Joel's notoriety was reaching its peak in the new york city metro area A man named Colin Ferguson went on a mass shooting spree on a long island railroad commuter train And since mass shootings were rare rather than routine in those days Ferguson's story sucked all the true crime air out of the room And Joel Rifkin was soon relegated to the who gives a shit back pages of the fucking tabloids Right before they flipped to the sports section. Yeah, dude. They didn't even put a camera in for the trial He was like all prepared to even though he looked like shit

He was all like rumbled and he looked like garbage, but he was like ready for his prime time moment and then it all got taken That's what happened. What was it? Mia Farah. No, what was the other gal who died on camera and then Michael Jackson? That's also what happened to the arab spring also with Michael Jackson's death. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well things were That was a scene of John joke from about 12 years ago It's kind of interesting to think about how many like little small things changed history in a way that led us to hear Mm-hmm little dumb things that happen. We just know for for a fact someone on september 10th 2001 did something really great Well things are only made worse for Joel Rifkin when Colin Ferguson the guy who brought the limelight away from him Colin Ferguson got transferred to the same county jail where Rifkin was held and they got into a fist fight

Ferguson beat the shit out of Joel Hey, I knew a fight about body count They were talking about they had a fight literally where Colin Ferguson because he was truly very crazy He was like I killed six devils You just killed people and then Joel Rifkin's like well I killed 17 of them and then the guy Oh my god Rifkin was soon transferred to rikers for his upcoming trials where he became a punching bag For a whole series of other inmates and he would routinely show up to hearings with black eyes

And after that Rifkin was found guilty of five murders and relatively quick succession But when he was found guilty of the fifth murder He seemed more concerned with the surgery He'd just had to remove a cyst from his thigh three weeks earlier An open court and this is right after he was sentenced for his fifth murder. He said quote My being here today with an open three and a half inch surgical incision Is a flagrant violation of the court's oath and responsibility

this defendant Defendant There's no reason in law or logic that compels this Defendant to be here on this date when the court could have easily postponed this matter for two weeks For this wound to heal properly All right now if you just turn over pull down your pants. Keep the underwear on. It's time for the wedgie This man so much he's such I hate this fucking guy

This is another one of my favorite last quotes. He has I have premonitions, you know I will die at 69 my father died at 68. I lived his mother by one year I predicted my arrest. I was 34, which is half of 68 I knew that that the number 17 would be the last because two times 17 equals 34 I even calculated the extra days for leap years Like for the year the dolphins played the super bowl. You remember that? Was that a direct quote? That was a direct quote. He and he did say like yeah leap year like, you know when the dolphins want to like that's his touchstone for a leap year

The dolphins won the super bowl Stupid It's very stupid, but by the end of it all Joel Rifkin was sentenced to over 200 years in prison and got sent to attica which at the time Also held mark david chatman and david berkowitz. All three of them were in the same prison at the same time My angina Seriously, they could not keep milk in that prison if they wanted to You how much milk those fuckers gotta go through man. Those three in there dude

Oh my god But since then that dream team of new york shitheads has been broken up And joel rifkin has spent the last 26 years in solitary confinement because he was getting bullied too much by the other inmates Like they weren't even threatening to kill him They were just like throw like literally throwing shit at him like they were just throwing cups of piss and like cups of shit You complain about it. You complain about it. You would actually go real classy guys real classy Real classy Yeah, no, it's at it's attica

Classy isn't really in the vernacular of actions so Well, he doesn't even leave his cell during the hour of recreation. He's allowed each day. He spends 24 hours a day in his fucking solitary confinement cell I guess with his 17 tapes he gets to replaying his head all the time Yeah, he does and he says he still remembers every single minute of it to this day Mm-hmm instead. He only leaves his cell three times a week for 10 minutes to take a shower And that is how he will live in cowardice until the day he dies

It ain't worth it. That's number one. No, man. Don't kill anybody You know to end this episode with a reminder Truly the sex work is work and then it's we need to take care of these people because they're not disposable They are human beings and of lives and it's just a job. Well, something that is disposable is America's only sex doll store They're trying to replace humans Keep it human keep sex work human and I feel it's very close to comedy where we're just trying to make people's lives a little bit better

And so I I'll never understand it. So just trying to make it. I hope that I hope you choke to death on a fucking hot dog Yeah, I don't think he's gonna get any hot dogs They get it in july 4th. No, they give you they get no, they don't do any special meals anymore. He gets the loaf Which I'm sure he complains about every single day All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening to this series on Joel Rifkin Interesting to get back to some blood and guts and just a reminder of what fucking pathetic losers All of these morons are well, but you hear that sound you hear that sound dong DONG DONG DONG

We made it it's 4.99 today. That means the next episode That was officially our last podcast episode will be episode 500 500 episodes of pure mirth joy Ed's attainment perfectly done podcastry It's a little strange how I don't I don't enjoy the uh, I just don't enjoy celebrating it because doesn't it mean then That aren't we closer To the grave every day. Yeah, I mean everything I feel almost the same way on episode 500 and as you do my 41st birthday coming up

I almost feel angry about it. It's interesting. You know, I I feel a little bit Somewhat the same about my 40th birthday coming up on january 19th in which we will be in Perth Australia for my 40th birthday Per 2023 you you better come but we have a couple announcements We have so next week before we get to episode 500 because it is so thick We're going to be doing we're getting to UFOs next week, which I think everyone will enjoy Then you'll see what we have planned for you and basically for the rest of the summer

Which I'm really really excited for Marcus. Did you see that the head of the kinks the lead singer? He was abducted by a UFO and they told him he could never come again I was then told he was not a baby singer. It was not rick davies. It was the other guy. Dave Ray Davies and Dave Davies. That's interesting. You already got corrected Fuck no We're actually we're actually discovering in the next to the subject of the next no dogs in space series Um, very much a UFO believer name checks. Collin wilson. She is somebody that we're not going to announce it just yet Who we're covering but she's a wonderful woman and yeah surprisingly super into UFOs

Super UFOs. All right. We're getting into and speaking of Australia one thing I wanted to say about Australia and my 40th birthday We're going to be ending in new zealand and I want to do I want to do a lord of the rings thing Like I want to go I want to do it. I want to do I want to do a lord of the oh hell. Yeah, so what does that mean? What is the lord of the rings thing? Well all the movies were shot in new zealand. No, I know but We got you can do tours like you can do tours or like here's the fields of row hand Here's the gate the black gates of mordor. Here's the shire and if any you listeners out there if you run A super cool tour that's not like oh, here's the guy that you know made the fucking hobbit butts

Like there's all these weird tours where It's very difficult to do but yes, and of course I missed your 30th birthday, so we're going to make it a tradition every zero birthday Maybe I don't have to be there. How are you going to not be there? We have a show. We have work that day No, I know but I can't you won't be forced to be there. No They're going to make fun of me for being a tree That's what you get. But yeah, that's what you deserve But if anybody out there like knows of anyone that runs like a super cool like three or four day Maybe five day like lord like lord of the rings tour

Do you know when he does it? I want to do it. I'm with you. I'll do it in a day It's a country. It's a huge thing. It's a big deal So if you know of anyone does it or if you do it side stories lpotl at gmail.com get a hold of us Because I want to I want to start planning my my my hobbit journey. I'll be there. They're gonna do it Uh, I can't wait. I think would you say like, ah, we're gonna make a lot of them Like that one video that replaces the uh places all the south Indeed the field indeed the fields of rohad For those of you that will be at san diego comic con next week. We will be there as well come and check us out

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So we just got something from him and we got so many fucking amazing creators like rick feich also working on this book I'm gonna be doing something from this book. Henry's doing something for this book. Yeah, this one's this second one is uh It's gonna be big big big. I'm gonna do something. I'm doing something for the third book. I'm gonna do something. What do you do? I'm gonna do something Yeah, I can't wait All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening and thanks for supporting all the shows also thanks to all the great calls We've been getting on our serious radio show. That's every monday Um, and it's always every monday. So that's 4 p.m. PST and 7 p.m. EST

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Clean you must clean as soon as but also get inside but also clean But also stay inside and stay away from windows But also clean yourself find a plastic bag move to the middle of the building I literally did feel like uh, like roddy piper in they live because you can just see the word fear Just like Fear fear fear. No, I definitely looked around the office and just said nope not surviving this one No, these big fucking windows. Nope. This isn't happens while I'm here I don't really want to be here if it already comes. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't really like not getting out

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