Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 499.5: The Ariel School Phenomenon - Pull the Other Leg

Episode Date: July 22, 2022

It's time for one last dance with the aliens before we reach big ole' 500! This week the boys are discussing possibly the most mysterious mass UFO sighting ever recorded, the Ariel School Incident of 1994, in which 62 students of a small Zimbabwe school witnessed and communicated with what can only be described as an extra-terrestrial phenomena!

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started. What was that? We see the grays down in Africa. Grays down in Africa. I love Toto's new remix. It's a lonely one. It really is. Welcome to last podcast on the left everyone. I am Ben hanging out with Marcus and hanging out with Henry. By the way, we'll be in Australia in January where Toto is a real band and they have more than one song and they listen to it unironically and they're like, have you heard Toto's going back on tour? And you're like, wow, I can't believe that they're not all dead. It's true. There is a Toto extended universe in Australia. It's very bizarre. Can't wait to see you all there in Australia. Well, speaking of seeing things, today's episode, look to the skies. Thank you. Thank you. I'm

glad he said it. The aerial school phenomenon. We're going to get into it. The extraterrestrial encounter at aerial school is one of the most credible examples of high strangeness concerning not just UFOs, but the alien phenomenon at large. Now, I have been obsessed with this story for a long time. Wait, what? This is one of those UFO group sightings because we've covered a couple of these before, right? The Hudson Valley Triangles. We haven't really covered the Phoenix lights, but I've done a lot of research into the Phoenix lights. And the Coronado Group abduction. Do you remember that? Yeah. You can come in and see my penis. See what they did to my penis. Remember that guy? Of course. The ladybugs. You got them.

But this story is, this sends a chill up my spine. And I don't know if it's just because, like, because you say credible and it is because there's so many, there's up to 60 witness accounts cooperating what happened on this day. But there's also just something creepy about kids being serious. Yeah, I don't like it. And it's endless footage of it. So if you're one of those people that, like, gets really creeped out in a movie when you see a child going, I don't like it whatsoever. Twins, get out of here. What was that one movie with Nicole Kidman? The others. The others. What was that line? What was it like? I'm the daddy now. What was it? I'm the daddy now, daddy. What was it?

Eyes wide shut, by the way. The longest film shoot in history over 400 days for that big old orgy scene. Wow. That is true. That orgy scene took 400 days to shoot. I swear to God, it's the longest consecutive movie ever shot. What? And that's why Stanley Kubrick died like a day after it was done. He worked very hard on it. And then they put all those people in front of all the fucking. I don't know why. All right. On September 16th, 1994, at least 60 school children between the ages of six and 12 reported that a UFO landed just outside of their school near the Zimbabwean capital of Harare during recess. Then two aliens allegedly disembarked and communicated with the children.

Bye, Nike. Whoa, these guys are really freaking cool. A little bit sounds like the beginning of Black Panther. This is really fucking frightening. This whole thing is really, really, I had nightmares last night. You did. Now, while no adults witnessed the event, the accounts given by children afterward were fairly similar, but inconsistent. However, this is exactly what we want to hear. Yes. Why? See, if these children had collaborated on a story either before or after the alleged event, then their accounts would be virtually identical, identical, but since I witnessed

testimony is the least reliable of evidences, the inconsistencies in the children's stories actually makes it more likely that they weren't making it up because that means they're all remembering the event from their own points of view. In other words, more or less the same is actually better than exactly the same. According to John Mack, who was a Harvard, he was the head of the, I believe the psychology department at Harvard. Yeah. We're going to get into him, definitely. Oh, yeah. But he ruined his whole career getting involved in this case. And what he says, true,

because he says that is what's really interesting and most, that is the most compelling part of this entire tale is seeing in stereo an event happen because he's like, when you hear all the multiple different points of view coming from kids of all different ages, they kind of puts together an entire picture where you see the same story happen, but from 60 different perspectives. Isn't that interesting? You can always trust a Harvard professor, especially one that's obviously stressed for money. You can almost see him calling Jeffrey Epstein and just being like, I'll give you three more kids. We actually got a bunch of Zimbabwe. No, no, no, no, no.

No, this caused him to leave Harvard. And actually, Harvard hated him. Harvard actually tried to take him down. So he was kind of the odd man out at Harvard. So he's not taking any money. Okay. He distinctly, he distinctly died in Harvard. Okay. I've been put in a different place than I was. Yes. He's not ordering cheese pizza, Ben, just saying that. Oh my God.

Which is why I always got the nude buffalo wings, because those are for adults. We'll have a little fun with it. Get some peppers on there anyway. Well, to the point of being believed, most of the teachers at the aerial school thought that the children were telling the truth when they said a UFO landed and aliens talked to them. And that includes some of the teachers who very much didn't want the children to be telling the truth. There was one woman who said she lived at the school and she really did not want it to be true, but she couldn't help it. She couldn't help but believe them. And a recent documentary called The Aerial Phenomenon, which was truly blew my fucking

mind. It's great. It is good. But they do a meeting amongst the teachers, talking about the parents' perspective. And they were like, you got to wonder which way the parents are going to go, which way they're going to flip and how we handle it. Because we're not trying to create a divide between the school and the parents. We don't know how they all feel about this group-citing. They couldn't mess with their religion. Because distinctly, there was very few adults that saw or heard any of the event. It was

all the kids. And it was just weird when the aliens landed, they offered the kids candy. And it was like, never get into a UFO. No, they warned about the environment. Is that right? So I have a question. Did the woman just live in the school and then they made her a teacher? Or did she was a teacher and then she's decided to live in the school? Have you heard? I did not know, but I actually just read this. I think Betsy DeVos put that

in there. There is a squatter's rights provision amongst the Department of Education. Okay, interesting. Well, as one journalist put it, if the children were all lying about what they saw, then one of them would have cracked and they would have cracked fast. Because it's not like all these kids were getting positive attention for this. No. Because that's one of the things that people talk about with the satanic panic, is that that's how these children came to make these wild allegations about being flushed down toilets

and so on and so forth. It's because they kept getting positive validation every single time that they told the story, like they would tell the story. They get pulled out of class. They get pulled out of class. They'd get taken out for ice cream afterwards. They'd get gifts, positive validation over and over again. This was not the case. It was quite the opposite for some of these kids. It also corresponded exactly with the cover of the Goolies. But we read the book, UFOs over Africa by Cynthia Hine and the documentary, The Aerial

Phenomena, and it really shows the book, really shows what it was like to have boots on the ground during the time, like days after the event, and the documentary shows these kids who were haunted by it 20 years later, 25 years later, they were all like, that's the part of it that really freaked me out was them following this one girl that she was the first time going back to her school, to the aerial school in the 25 years, because it was the 25, 35 year anniversary of the school. And they said they invited her to come back and she's crying, thinking about like, I don't want to go relive this whole thing again.

Well, don't go back. You don't got to go to these reunions. It's documentary. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is that none of these kids ever went back on their story, as much as some of them very badly wanted to forget all about it. The event, as Henry said, is still very difficult for these people to talk about. One witness in that documentary she said that she hadn't ever even told her husband about what happened to her at aerial school.

Well, you're going to want to mention that on the first or second date. It's kind of cool. This is interesting because they have a lot of this perspective, which I feel is now more outdated thanks to what has come about in the last several years, that talking about this in polite society would distance you from them. Yeah. I mean, that's what a lot of the people said. You know, they said that they never talked about it because people would look at them like they were crazy if they ever did bring it up. So they just sort of pushed it down as hard as they possibly could.

Yeah, just jam it, jam it down, jam it, because then when it does, it turns into little comedy eggs. That's what emotions do. Oh, that's fantastic. I love that kind of suffering. Yeah. That's why sometimes I'll just have like a panic attack on the refrigerator. I don't know what is that? Yeah. But that's one thing.

Henry, you're looking at the sausages. You've been looking for five minutes. Yeah. I'm thinking about a lot of different things. Yeah. It's kind of funny how no one ever asked how the sausage is made and over. Every one it was asked how the sausage is made, but no one ever asked, why is the sausage made? Well, the Sawyer family's got to stay in business and Leatherface needs a job. Now, as far as outside verification goes, Henry already mentioned this guy. The children were interviewed and studied after the fact by a Harvard professor of psychology named

Dr. John Mack, who was at the time studying the concept of alien abductions from a psychological standpoint. And while Dr. Mack traveled to Zimbabwe with as much skepticism as he could pack, he came away from those interviews absolutely convinced that these children had not only seen a UFO, but had interacted with extraterrestrial intelligences. He saw something and it was not identified. I know what I saw. I know what I saw.

But their children saw. I know what I saw. Well, the kids weren't as adamant about it. Kids are just more naturally open. Interesting. Now, the Ariel school was located in the town of Ruba, right outside the capital city of Harare in Zimbabwe. And while the surroundings were not particularly wealthy, the Ariel school itself was an expensive private institution attended by the children of affluent families. Or as the head of Mufan Africa, Cynthia Hind, who is the, I would say the Mrs. Doubtfire of

the Ufology. She's also very similar to what Dame Edna. Dame Edna. She has that look. She said, oh, don't believe. Oh, the school certainly wasn't inexpensive. Not inexpensive at all. Julia Childs, a CIA asset. And of course, if you do make money on only fans, you're as fluent. This is great. Really great stuff. I'm glad you say that. I'm glad you didn't do it. I don't say it here, man. Just share with the people who I know are going to love it. Small at around 250 students, the Ariel school had a student body comprised of an array of

multicultural backgrounds, including students from the UK, Europe, Asia, America, Australia, and Zimbabwe itself. As such, the kids tended to interpret the encounter in line with their cultural background, with some children attaching the aliens to native folklore, while others used pop culture as their touchstone. In other words, their brains did the best they could to process the high strangeness that happened in front of them. From what I could understand when it was said in that documentary is that running water was a luxury at the time, and so was electricity. So they didn't actually have a heck of a lot of connection to the pop culture world. I mean, they did have some things, but not a heck

of a lot. The English kids, they did, yeah. They did. But if you count what Cynthia Hine says about this idea of, and what John Mack actually posited too, because he said that your surroundings and the way you grew up and create sort of like a psychic net. It's a psychic world. It's like, it's your whole series of connections. And Cynthia Hine said the people that were kind of more like the living the country, they had a more personal relationship with the spiritual, right? They view these things as not very surprising. And they regularly spoke with the ghosts of the, their ancestors and spirits and local deities. It was just kind of a part of the

fabric of life. And one thing they was talking about is like, they did see a lot of like orb activity was like big, right? People saw a lot of big orange lights. A lot of orbs. I do have to point out, Marcus, diminished your orb story on open lines on serious radio. You weren't there to defend yourself. I didn't diminish it. Because he wasn't there. And that's the thing about all you fuckers, all you fuckers, you don't understand. You have to climb into the head of the witness and think about the witness. I know because I didn't say, because Henry, because Marcus said, Henry never sees anything. I said, well, he saw an orb. But then Marcus

said, oh, he saw an orb. I did. But even I say that, I know what that's the, I only said that because I know what you want to see. Yes. Orb is good enough for you. No, I want to see it. I literally want to see a craft land on my front yard. I want a big titted aniline. Come out of it. I wouldn't be like, you're going to be on this Saturday Night Live. That's what I want to happen. It's not going to happen. You know what that aniline's going to say? What? I got nipples. Can you look me? And guess what? Because a lot of them don't.

Yeah. Well, I mean, the way that a lot of the locals that they interviewed in that documentary about the aerial phenomenon, the way the locals talked about UFOs, it's like something that is still cool and surprising, but something they see every day. They'd like go like, oh, yeah, yeah, aliens. Like the same way, like in New York or LA, like you describe like seeing a huge landmark every day. Like you just hear, you're like, oh, yeah, I can see the Empire State Building from my office. Yeah, it's great, but it's cool, but it's still very normal. It's just a building, yeah, it's a building. They speak a lot of it as spirits. They equate them to ghosts and which, you know, speaks

to my like pan paranormal thesis, which is the idea that they, they're actually not all very different. Vindication! Well, you just vindicated yourself. I fight, I win. You just said that you were right. Okay. Well, most of the kids who witnessed these creatures had no knowledge of the alien phenomenon before the sighting, or at least that's what their parents said. In fact, many of these kids, Ben, as you speculated, they were the children of Christian missionaries who believed that aliens did not and could not exist because they weren't mentioned in the Bible. Also, that they are specifically dog whistles of Satan and that they're supposed to be there

to bring you closer into the science-based world. Now, I actually watched the History Channel quite a bit, and there is a theory that aliens are indeed angels. You're becoming my mother. You and my mother have just touched him. You're about to write A Course in Miracles Spark D. No, you know what I'm going to write? What? Angels in the infield. Because I am on fire today, by the way. Are you? I don't think I've got enough credit. The audience is laughing.

Let me get a fire extinguisher then for the rest of us. Angels in the infield. I also want one of our metal bands out there to write an album called Dog Whistles of Satan. Yes! Woo! You can hear them. It's silent, but trust me, the sound is there. It's working.

Well, this belief that aliens can't exist was, of course, highly detrimental to some of the children. One child, a 12-year-old Canadian from a highly religious family, had to leave the school and then the country itself because he was so disturbed by what happened, and it was made even worse because his family refused to let him even talk about it. Yeah. For most of these kids, the only possible source of information about UFOs came just two days prior, when UFO sightings across Southern Africa lit up the skies. Now in this,

we've got meat for both the skeptics and for the believers. I'll tell you what, I received so many phone calls within three-day period. I received more phone calls than the time I fell down the flight of stairs while a dress was ripped off by the bannister in front of the entire collection of the Sewers Union of South Africa. And they all saw my brits flopping sweat, and they saw the bruises form on my veil. Oh, my goodness. Just in front of them, and they know the calls, the calls. Yeah, your Vilva.

And every single sighting of my Vilva, I did write down and get accurate measurements for. That's fantastic. Kind of looks like a UFO, doesn't it? Well, the skeptics might say that these children were all keyed up on aliens because they'd heard their parents talk about these alleged sightings for two full days. And after the kids saw something out of the ordinary on the day in question, they got caught up in a mass hysteria and interpreted that out of the ordinary event as aliens.

And I weirdly came across a medical journal written by Kokoda Demobley that talks about mass hysteria as a wave of mass hysteria episodes in African schools in the mid-90s, which I thought was really interesting. One was a fainting epidemic where something like 50 students had a population of 765 at a day school. Kids just started feigning, and it's a weird thing, but they couldn't find anything medically wrong with them. Itching spell that happened where a group of people and teachers got involved in this

gigantic, like, weird itchy scenario where people thought an area was making them itchy. No, there was like no physical signs. Their skin just got itchy. So it was weird. Carbon monoxide, maybe. I remember Oprah had quite a scandal. What? Carbon monoxide?

Are you spreading it? No. No, with her school that she opened up. Yeah, I bet, yeah. Don't trust the television person to open a school. To do anything. Yeah. Yeah.

But the believers will tell you that alien counters are often preceded by UFO flaps small and large. Yeah. Wink. And it is precisely because people saw strange things in the sky and the nights leading up to the encounter that we should be more open to believing the children. Oh, yeah. But concerning those sightings, multiple people across Zimbabwe, South Africa, Botswana, Mozambique,

and Zambia, all reported seeing strange objects in the sky and the two nights leading up to the incident at aerial school. Now, at first, these sightings were dismissed as a meteor shower. And I knew that was impossible because the meteor also just taken a bath. Oh, that's something. It's as opposed to a meteor shower. That's a great joke, Ben. That's a really great joke there, Kissel.

Real funny stuff. Then it was said that what people had seen was probably the nose cone of a Russian satellite that had fallen out of orbit after being launched a month prior. And it crashed as flaming wreckage in both Zimbabwe and Mozambique. But according to African Mufon director Cynthia Hind, the Russian nose cone was not the explanation for the sightings before the aerial incident, but the cause. Just was about to see. Whoa.

Just was about to shaft. Okay. Also, the Russian nose cone, that's what happens when you're doing anal ingus and you have your nose in the vagina. Oh, wait a second. There's some kind of urban dictionary next to me. The Russian nose cone. Honestly, I don't know why we're trying to get into it so fast.

Come and take me to dinner first. I'm not going to do that to you. You're doing this to me now. No, that's gross. And as I said, she was convinced that UFOs, whatever they may be, they're curious about unusual aerial events such as satellite crashes, in addition to nuclear and missile tests. I once followed a raccoon for two miles wondering how he ate, he was so chubby and circle. Correct?

And I saw, and the next thing I know, he had found an entire unlocked dumpster in the back of the Caesar's Pizza. Oh. And the next thing I know, it looks like I've got my vacation home. You're going to live in the dumpster house. Delivering the pizza straight to me, I don't even have to call. That's fantastic. And to be fair to the skeptic side, satellite crashes and aerial mishaps do often coincide

with UFO sightings. However, what you also often get around these mishaps are witnesses reporting sightings that look absolutely nothing like satellites or swamp gases or anything else that's supposed to act as the quote unquote rational explanation. Yeah, fucker, yeah. Now I'm throwing the quotation marks in there, bro. Fucking irrational, bro. You're coming at me with fucking rational?

Oh, you're my fucking doctor saying, oh, I need to get a fucking colonoscopy, bro? Absolutely. That's reasonable anyway. For example, witnesses near Lake Cariba in Zambia in Zimbabwe said that a couple of nights before the aerial school incident, they saw what appeared to be a Boeing 747 traveling low in the sky, engulfed in flames, and spitting sparks. Did no one's calling about this? I mean, I would make a phone call or two.

They tried. But oddly, the craft was totally silent, and those witnesses were only a handful among the 80 or so people who saw odd shit in the sky during those two days. There was a lot of activity. And we don't really know why, but it is strange because Cynthia Hine did research and there was no meteor shower on the books, right? There was nothing, no activity recorded. And they had no clue what the hell that thing was.

And they also were saying, as we'll get later on, aerial phenomena has telltale signs, right? Like a meteor shower, it's a blink, like if you've seen a shooting star, it's really fast. It's very cool to see. It doesn't hover, right? It doesn't change direction. It just says the more you know on top of it. Always.

And it goes in an arc. It doesn't go straight down, yeah. Is it possible that the weather report was cloudy with a chance of repulse? I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. Oh, man.

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Therefore, only one adult was in the schoolyard that day, a parent volunteer named Allison Kirkman. Listen, they were trying to figure out how to fake the moon landing. I know what they were up to. They're trying to get back. They're trying to figure it out. You know there's a lot of scores settled on that playground that day. Oh, yeah, I did.

One teacher there, just a parent teacher that's supposed to watch over. They don't know the feuds. They don't know the beefs. Oh, yeah. It's like Washington Heights on 9-11, man. All kinds of shit's going on. Everybody's getting shipped. That's when all the members of MS-13 are actually 13.

But Allison Kirkman, the only adult out there, she was running the snack bar. And even after a student ran to tell her, come look, there's a fucking alien out there, she refused to leave her post because she was afraid that someone was going to rob the teller. One of you. Oh, you're talking all your noise. Come and tell me. I know what happened last time.

You said, hey, go look. There's a big foot out there. He's an ass. Boy, you're born out. I get out there. It's just a tall bush. I'll come back. The lollipop is gone.

All the lollipops are gone. I like the strategy, to be honest. But it is funny because she, in UFOs over Africa, she is hardcore. She's really just saying, like, I will never leave this stand. I don't care what these kids have to say. I don't care if there's a group beating happening. I mean, she's there to protect all of the candy. Well, it's very inspirational.

But not the children. Well, the children love the candy. The rules are in place for a reason. Exactly, Ben. The children love the candy. I guarantee you the reason why she didn't fucking leave her post is because someone had said, hey, there's, there's a zebra over there, and then she runs over there, and she comes back and all the fucking toots you roll about.

Every single one. I can't, I can't stop five of them. If it's five and one, go, they're moving four different directions. Now, the children said that they were gathered around some brush and overgrown grass near the playing field when they saw something flying near the tops of the trees. One kid said that the aircraft looked natural and that it was shaped like a rock. It reflected light and it had water dripping from it. Others, however, said that the UFO was definitely disk-like and had a ring of lights either

at the top or the bottom of the craft. But in a phenomenon that would apply also to the aliens themselves, one child said that the craft appeared and disappeared multiple times before it finally landed as if it was shifting in and out of reality. It was a slow bill, too, because as you listen to these kids talk, they kind of set up a scenario where it started as lights where they kind of saw some lights drift in to view. Some of them just said, yeah, it looked like, you know, one said it looked like a metallic shimmer.

One said that they just saw maroon, right, they just saw a patch of maroon in the sky. But it slowly coalesced into a shape and then more people started seeing the shape as well and then different shapes. But it's weird how it's just like, it's like it became solid as they were watching it. Well, perhaps it was getting aroused. Yeah. Yeah. So, again, now he's actually just accusing a craft as to be a pedophile.

Like, he's just saying a object is a pedophile. That's how far he's gone. That's how far he's gone. Yes, a high strangeness object, you know, some other worldly dimensional thing. Craft thing? Oh! It's probably a pedophile. It got me.

It got me. It's a good pedophile. Well, the flight of the navigator did that not court a very young, young man. I don't know. I don't know. Your stepson's going to hear a lot about this. Well, another kid said that the ship disappeared and reappeared three times. And he and the others said that the larger craft was also surrounded by three or four

smaller objects. But since the UFO was shining with such an intense bright light, it was hard to get a look at the satellite craft. Once it got closer to the ground, there came the noise. The kid said that it buzzed loudly with a high-pitched frequency, a sound that one girl described as, quote, machine bees, which got bigger and louder as it got closer. Once the craft landed, the buzz was replaced by a quiet whirring noise. God, that's aggravating.

Fun noises with the boys. That's not fun noises. The dryer's done. I hate doing laundry. But the bright light that accompanied the flight did not stop. From what the kid said, though, time seemed to become distorted. And they sat there for a few terrifying minutes waiting for something to happen. But as far as what the kids were feeling went, many, but not all, said that they felt excited,

scared, and happy all at the same time. This is why it's so difficult to be a parent. Your kid feels excited, scared, and what was the other one? Happy. All at once. I don't know. That's how I felt right before I ate, like, half of a bone marrow pie. I knew you were not.

I knew you were not. You're not allowed to eat it anymore. My chest hurts. Democracy triangle of trust. Marcus, is he allowed to eat bone marrow pie anymore? No. Anymore? I got two more left in me before the doctor cuts me off.

Oh, my God. Well, I mean, excited, scared, and happy. That's a roller coaster. You know, those sorts of things, like, when you're going tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, like, you know, you're happy, you're there, you're excited, you don't, because that's what the little girl described it as, the one who said scared, happy, and excited. She said that she didn't know what was going to happen next, but she wanted to know what was going to happen next.

That's interesting. She also had the idea in her head to say, like, I also knew I was seeing something that nobody has ever seen before. That's cool. Like, she said this, this kind of like, an understanding of like, oh, this is fucking weird. Right. Yeah.

This is wee-wee weird. This is weird. But when the next noise came, some of the kids reacted immediately in terror. It's not the noise you would expect. They said that the worrying noise was replaced with something that sounded like a flute. But the flute noise actually drew the children closer to the craft. Can we get a little bit of a flute noise so we can have something to compare it to? We should actually put in some, some sample of Jethro Toll, Jethro Toll, the Metallica

best metal album of the year. We'll always be mad about it. Even multiple creatures, either two or three, depending on what child you asked, departed from the craft. Again, the descriptions of the creatures varied from child to child, although all the descriptions were within reasonable parameters of comparison. I mean, this is where it gets fucking crazy, because they all came out looking like fucking Kanye 2022.

It's all the, it's all the all black, you like, got big boots. Interesting. I mean, this is why the jury system is innately flawed. Yes. The whole memory in, memory in and of itself is technically an absolute way to look at reality. Yeah. I mean, this is all about memory, you know, and this is about trying to put together a

full story for many different eyewitness accounts, because it's, that's what you say, reasonable parameters of comparison. One kid said that he saw a little three foot tall man dressed in a black shiny suit sporting long black hair. Hey kids, hey, hey, what's going on in and from out of town, hey? I know. I'm just trying to get milk, right? Mr. Big.

You play with those Jax? Yeah. Record contract sweet. The eyes, which were much lower on the cheek than ours, were large and elongated. Classic alien gray eyes. Down the pace, down in Africa. However, the eyes were described by one child as having a rough texture, like American footballs. That one creeps me out.

I love that one. That's weird. I mean, if you think about it, if you look at like a close-up of like a fly's eyeballs, they do appear as if they have that rough texture, and so that's how I imagine these to look like. Every night, I look at my fly, I look at it right in the eyes. Are you talking about sucking your own dick? No, I have a pet fly.

Yeah, what's his name? Herb. That's just not going to his fucking dumpster version of Snow White, because I don't know what his life is like in that home. I have a pet ant. I have a pet fly. I have a pet fly. You just, you have a, you need an exterminator.

Continuing in the alien gray vein, some of the consistent descriptions of the creatures over that their mouths were slits, the ears could hardly be seen, and the noses were almost nonexistent. But drawing perhaps upon their cultural backgrounds, some of the local kids believe that these creatures were evil goblins, specifically the infamous Tokoloche. Yeah, the Tokoloche. We've covered the Tokoloche here and there. It has come up into our writings before, and we'll get into it again, but you're not supposed

to be like super close to a Tokoloche. It's very scary. Okay. A lot of the kids were really afraid that the things were going to eat them. Don't get too close to the Tokoloche. Well, the Tokoloche is a, is it Tokoloche or Tokoloche? I don't know. Tokoloche?

Tokoloche, Tokoloche sounds like a guy who's like purposefully mispronouncing it from fucking Eastern Ohio. Yeah, it sounds like Luigi's plumber or something. Well, the Tokoloche is a small, evil, mischievous, grimman-like creature of Zulu folklore, sometimes used to scare children into behaving, i.e., be good or the Tokoloche will come eat you or choke you to death in your sleep. He's like a lechusa or the boogeyman. There's a Tokoloche I believe also steals your penis.

That is a common fear. I believe the Tokoloche comes in and he takes your sexual prowess as well. He just takes your penis, huh? I do know that it is one folk belief that if you put your bed on bricks, like if you put your bed stand on bricks, then it's going to make the bed too high for the Tokoloche to climb up on so that Tokoloche isn't going to steal your penis or choke you to death while you sleep. Oh, it can extend its own penis to any length.

Isn't that nice? The Tokoloche is a single buttock. Any length. One butt. First you must summon the Tokoloche. I'm like, no, no, no. Hey, hey, no. Why are we doing this?

You can see each penis. What do you mean it has one butt? It has one butt. Don't we have one butt? It has one butt because it can extend it to impregnate women. But any length means that can it reach from here to the sun? Can it explore outer space? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Don't have sex with the sun. That's just a weird one butt. Where's the whole gun? It's just one mound. That's weird. Well, as a side note, Tokoloches are sometimes said to be created by witch doctors, much

like the golems of Jewish folklore. In this case, a client will call on a witch doctor and ask him to take vengeance on an enemy using a Tokoloche. Okay, let me see. Let me Tokoloches. We've got available. Actually, are you good for a next Tokoloche? We got Monday at four.

Monday at four? Is revenge your friends are going to hold until Monday at four? That works for me. Yeah. We'll be sending Hernando over. You should go and hit him. We'll send him. He'll text you 30 minutes out.

And he'll do the dick lasso? Well, I guess. Well, we'll have to add a surge to that, so it's probably because that's obviously big right now. I really hate this guy. He's a mean guy. Yeah. Well, right now, Hernando's penises is in San Diego, so we're actually going to need

a... So, I mean, if you're going to need a penis, you need penis lasso? Wednesday. Wednesday is good. I got a Wednesday. Wednesday at four. Yeah. So, the window is 8 a.m. to 9 p.m.

Oh, God dang it. That's a whole day. Yeah. Well, the witch doctor agrees, but he says that the tocaloche will only take vengeance in exchange for a human soul that will be chosen by the tocaloche after the job is over and done with. Oh, man. Can't it just like love chocolate or diamonds or something?

No, no. Nope. It's got to take a soul. It's going to take your mother's soul or your sister or your brother. Someone close to you. It's going to be an ironic twist and it's going to be bad because revenge is bad. Yeah. And once the terms are agreed upon, the witch doctor finds a dead body.

He pierces the eye sockets and brain with a hot rod of iron so that it cannot think for itself. Then, he sprinkles it with a special powder to shrink the body down to tocaloche size. Sweet. Let's save money on a casket that way. Yeah, man. The tocaloche then does what it does, then takes its chosen soul weeks, months, or even years later.

It's hard to be a freelancer. I guess so. No, no, full disclosure, I did take all of that information from the creation section of the tocaloche Wikipedia page, which was rife with capitalization and punctuation mistakes. And it definitely had a big citation needed note right next to that whole witch doctor paragraph. If you can tell us how to do an absolute foolproof tocaloche side stories, LPOTL and gmail.com,

we're going to make one. Absolutely. Why not? I'll shrink you down. You could find another source that said that if you want to avoid the wrath of the tocaloche and make friends with it, all you have to do is cut the long hair that hangs over his face and feed him a little saucer of curdled milk. You mean to tell me you got to give him bangs?

You just got to make it Zoey Dashanelle and then that were friends? Yeah, and give him curdled milk. I'm not giving it in a ukulele, all right? I'll give it curdled milk though. I got curdled milk lying around. I know that. Damn sure. Now, considering how the tocaloche is indeed a fearsome little goblin, you can understand

why some of the kids at the aerial school might have been afraid that those creatures had arrived for the sole purpose of eating them. But mixed with that fear, some said, was a feeling of excitement and happiness. Similarly to the folkloric associations some of the children made with the aliens, some of the other kids whose worldview was more informed by pop culture later told their teachers that the aliens looked like Michael Jackson. That's ignorant. Oh no.

That's ignorant. I bring the children to me. Does Michael need this? He's already got a lot going on. A lot of people are saying he's been in the bad spots. Maybe he doesn't need to be blamed for being an alien. I don't need to travel for the children. They're so, they get premium delivery straight to my monkey.

Oh my lordy. And indeed another kid described during an interview, she did recently that the alien skin looked plastic like someone who'd done too much Botox. Another said that the skin looked smooth as if it might slide off at any second. And that's something that we've seen. This sounds somewhat like a men in black description. It is very... Sure water.

Sure water. Well, because as I've gotten older the kids like, you know, Cynthia Hine believes that your memory becomes more crystalline as you get older, which I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know. I don't know. I think you just remember wrong stuff more. You're just...

I think you're filling out the memory with what you think you remember quite often. But the kids all like, one of them says straight up, like, I need to remember this forever because I know how important this story is. And so you could see them running this time and time again. But the one thing that comes out is that, yeah, it's men in blackie. It's very weird what they're saying is hyper specific. And also, what we talk about with grades all the time, they had their little jumpsuits on.

Yeah. Then the aliens began moving, which was possibly the most disconcerting thing to all of the children. One kid that she saw one of the aliens run through the grass. But it seemed as if it was not really affected by gravity. Instead, she said it moved fluidly, as if gravity did not affect it at all. Another, however, said that the alien ran in slow motion, like an instant replay. And in fact, some of the kids said that everything seemed to be moving in slow motion, even though

they said that their hearts were still beating as fast as they could go. That's really interesting. If you believe in the witness stories of people talking about the Hopskinsville Goblin story, which we've covered here and there, and our friends at New Kirk's did their whole special on the Hellier project, examining it. But that idea of they are not bound by our physics in any way. There is something about them that is, it looks like it's a projection onto our reality in some way, and that they're kind of behaving in an almost cartoon manner where they can

bounce. Yeah. And to that point, one kid said that she perceived the action of the alien running as a loop, like watching a movie. The creature would run from one side of the grass to the other, then it would disappear and reappear where it started, and it would go through the motion over and over and over again. Weird.

It's possible that the gravity on their planet is a little bit more strict or strong, and that's why they're so short, and that's why here it's almost like they're on the moon. Interesting. One of the girls did say that it wasn't quite like the bouncing that you see astronauts do on the moon. It was something, she said it was like gravity didn't affect them at all. It wasn't really bouncy, it was just like Henry said, like they were projected here. They were here and not here all at the same time.

The rules just didn't apply to them. Wow. It's dream logic. Yeah. Finally though, the creatures communicated directly with the children. This is it. It is freaky. I don't like that.

Using telepathy, they brought a message of ecological protection, saying the same thing that aliens always say to us that we're destroying the earth, that we don't know what we're doing, and so on and so forth. I didn't know I was going to be dealing with a bunch of libtards. You alien, hey Cuck, hey alien Cuck, I get to see the libertarian getting brutally probed again and again. You're like, am I paying for this? But while that is indeed a cliche in alien abduction communication, I don't know how

many times we've sit on this show that that's the fucking message that aliens bring to people again and again. It's interesting here for the fact that these children would have had no clue that this was a common, if not near universal message delivered during these encounters, and yet this is universally what the children said the message was from day one. Well specifically, some children said that they received messages telling them to protect the earth from man-made destruction, while others said they got an explicitly anti-technology message like an extraterrestrial version of industrial society in its future.

That was scary. Very long. Is it worth it to have your TikTok if it's going to ruin the dang world? It's not. It's not. But they said they didn't hear voices. Again, these things were just sort of, they said it was a feeling that it was impressed upon them.

Yeah. Still others said that they received something beyond messages. They were given images, thousands of them, all showing the consequences of environmental destruction that we're now showing worldwide because nobody listens to a bunch of children when they say aliens told them that we're destroying the fucking earth. I don't know why they don't go to somebody in power. They're always talking to some dad in Florida or some housewife in Massachusetts telling them that they got a, or there's a bunch of kids in Zimbabwe saying, hey, we got to get

the fucking earth back on track, and that's not the people that have the power to change those things. When you go, you know when you talk to people in power and then they explain to you how Exxon is just really important to their campaign. Yeah. And without Halliburton on board, we just don't see how we're going to get to power. If you're the aliens go to children, I actually think it makes sense to go to children. I could see any senator of any political party.

If you have an alien in front of them, they're still going to be like, well, you can't vote. So it doesn't even really matter what you say to me. I don't really care. And actually, I don't really care what anybody says to me. I'm going to do whatever somebody pays me to. I'm a senator. It's West Virginia. We like fucking coal.

Okay. It's just a senator, you get it, alien. Have the aliens take over the airwaves. Put together a PowerPoint presentation. Show everybody. It didn't go well when the War of the Worlds aired. I don't think people handled it very well, Marcus. I just don't know if PowerPoints are going to be the thing that fixes everything.

I think what they need to do is- If they have a fucking PowerPoint, I'm not going to trust her from the future. Absolutely not. Fly from your plane. Hey, what's up, everyone? How you doing? Ben Kissel here with Henry Zabrowski. Yeah, it's me, man.

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Super tasty, live resin. You really get the delicious, weedy taste, which is what I like. And three different experiences. You go to your local vape store and get it. Absolutely. Thank you all so much for supporting the show. We absolutely love you. Can't wait to see you on the road and get that vape, put it in your brain and have a

good time. And if you want to set your favorite weed store, give them a call and ask for them by name. Last podcast on the left, it's weed. Hail yourselves, everyone. Hail Satan. As far as how long this encounter lasted, the children said that they weren't sure because as I said, time was greatly distorted during the encounter.

Some said that it lasted only a few minutes, while others estimated that it lasted closer to 15. Yeah. The one teacher that was involved, he said 15 minutes, but you know, you never know. Again, he said the same thing. He was transfixed. Well, it's relative, isn't it? If you're waiting 90 seconds for your food to get done, it's different than holding

your breath for 90 seconds. Actually, I feel the same for both of those. Well one, you were going to start to get panicky. Well, no. I get panicky and upset and ready. But you know what I'm saying. I get angry. A second is different.

I actually don't know. It's a bliss versus a second of pain. The bliss goes faster. Unless it's Hellraiser time. One of the things that is truly frightening about this entire recollection, right? So it started with the lights and the kids are seeing it and then the noises started and then panic set in. I think that was what really got me is that the aerial phenomenon documentary really set

the tone of how scary this was for the kids. Some of them ran and went screaming, but some of them were transfixed by the creatures. Now we know that they're communicating to them, but it's more like the way they talk to them being transfixed by their eyes. There was one little boy that said when he was looking into it, it was like the thing turned and looked at him, made eye contact with him. He said it made like a face and he said the only way you could describe it is that he felt terrified and he told Dr. John Mack that it looked like an old lady who had never seen

a child before. And then it was like squinting at him and then another one inquisitively squinting like like, like doing a hands up and a stranger's hands up. And then the other one, another little girl was like, it felt like she said the term, they want us. And then they're like, well, what do you mean? And then it's not just Licky Lick, it's like they were like, no, they want human children. They're like, they want to connect to them.

They're looking at them as basically saying straight up, well, we don't raise generations of people believing that you're destroying the planet. Then eventually you just will. And the most horrifying thing of all, the candy store, they only had baby Ruth. That woman stayed there the entire time, children are running and screaming literally, it could have been anything. It could have been a shooter, it could have been like children and she's just sitting there being like, these fuckers think they're going to distract me.

It's got time to plot. But once the aliens climbed back into the ship, it seemed as if the spell that they put over all of the children had been broken. Once the mechanical B sound started back up, the children's collective terror, every single one of them, it became palpable and they ran back to the school to find an adult to tell what they'd just seen. But of course the parent volunteer told the children, including her daughter, Phi Phi, to pull the other leg.

What do you mean pull the other leg? Pull the other one. It's got bells on. That's, you know, an old, either zone. Pull the other one. You put it in my leg. You put it in my leg. It's like one of the worst toy lines of all time, the hook toy line.

What? The hook. The movie hook. Yeah. Do you remember Captain Hook? He had extended legs. You could extend his legs to make him taller. No.

It was a trash toy. Yeah, so you have decided to, after these decades have passed, you've decided now is the time to take the hook merchandising world down to pay. It was a trash series of toys. Okay. To understand all that you might be disappointed about. He just got taller. I guess amazing of all of the things in the world that are currently happening that Kissel's

still vehemently upset at this toy for him to travel. I only got one a week and there were five fuck seats. That was my toy for the fucking week. That was it. And that's what you were so mad about is that your new toy wasn't good enough for that week. It didn't even go with any of my other toys. Then why did you get it? I like having the Pantheon of toys.

Because I thought it was going to be cool. I also just watched a movie. But you didn't have the Pantheon of toys? I always mixed up with G.I. Joe's, T.M. Ninty. I put them all together. One big world. They all fought and they all railroaded April O'Neill. Oh my goodness.

Mr. Zabrowski. That's not right. She loved it. She convinced it. No, she would only like it if it was Raphael, but she ended up with Casey Jones because he's a person. Well, the thing is, after the parent volunteer said, I don't believe you, they didn't stop there, which is probably what they would have done had it just been a prank.

Miss, miss, there's an alien at the, like if they, if she would have said no, they would have just, you know, put their heads down and say, oh, Roy, I'm just going to go be here. But no, they fucking panicking and screaming. They ran and interrupted the teacher staff meeting, hoping that some adult would tell them what to do. Now, the aerial school incident was not a sort of hearsay occurrence in which a lone Mufun ufologist interviews the kids years afterwards as adults.

The incident occurred on a Friday and by the following week, news outlets all over the world picked up the story and the children began giving interviews. And you know, for a fact, even in a crowd of Mufun ufologists is alone, aren't they? He is, man. We walk alone. And then she is. Look at Cynthia Hine, man. She's too busy for a man.

Self-published. She's too busy. I mean, absolutely too emotionally distant for a woman. She is focused on her goal and ready to get there and get to the bottom of this. And it's true. They were out there like days later. Wow. Because she got called up because, again, Mufun is absolutely, it was tremendous.

The amount of response that the children had, I was just like, oh, oh, someone find my clothes. Yes, ma'am. Your vulva's hanging out. I've already put that down in the visitation book. They went right there and they closed up shop. That was the goal was to move on investors arrived. They were like, all right, we're going to close this up, make sure that nobody else

is talking to these kids until we're done with them. Okay. But before you say that the kids collaborated over the weekend on some fanciful tale, the headmaster. I think the kids collaborated over the weekend on a fanciful tale. No, no, no. You said it. I think I said it.

Yes. Colin Mackie, the headmaster, he had the children draw what they saw on the same day that the event occurred. This is really interesting. They jumped right into this. Yeah, immediately. And just like later testimonies, the drawings were similar but not exact. In some cases, there was only one craft drawn while in others, you'd see two or three.

Same thing with the number of aliens depicted anywhere between one and three. And similarly, some aliens were drawn with that long flowing black hair and some weren't. But what was most consistent across all the drawings was the shape and appearance of the alien creatures who showed all the markers of being your classic alien grace. It was straight down the line. Everybody said that they had saw the same weird, teardrop-shaped head, tiny body, huge eyes. They all said it.

And they didn't have the cultural reference. No. Like they did not have Whitley Strieber's communion to know that's what we think aliens look like. No, this is not like 1999 and a Spencer's Gifts. They haven't seen like the ever-present 90s alien head for years upon years. They're completely outside of their culture, cultural milieu. And as everybody who has had problems with these episodes in the past or in the future, anybody talking about ufology, you're talking about UFOs or ghosts, the paranormal, like

I feel like that's again, they're like, well, right there, I know, is that they're all seeing something different. But do you not know how often we all like, we see in a movie fucking Roche Man, right? We all will remember things differently because you arrive at something with a story, with a background, with a, even as a kid. And also I believe that the trickster edge of the phenomena plays with you as well. And it's about you being interpreted, you know, like the one time I did that mushroom tea, I fucking went all the way back to this back of my fucking mind and I talked to the

dude from the Big Lebowski and he explained to me that fucking all like our reality is just a program dropped into an operating system. You talk to the dude or the man? The dude. You talk to the dude. Right? I'm fucking, you fucking, you, our brains can interpret it, like our reality is interpretive, like we make it up as we go.

I want to thank you for coming to our town hall committee meeting, Henry Zabrowski, on why we need to teach. And that's why parking violations shouldn't exist. Yes. And that's why we will take it into consideration teaching both sides of the Holocaust. So thank you so much. You are, yes, the thank you. No, I just want to be able to park wherever my car fits.

Two sides to every story, two sides, and actually strict your parking rules, sorry, two sides to every story. You know, Ben, you do laugh, but in college, I did once show up to a libertarian meeting on mushrooms and gave a speech much the same as the one that Henry just gave. I believe it. I believe it. And that's when the libertarians, that's where they were big tent party. Yeah.

We also have clueless assholes wandering in from the park to the local coffee shop. And in this meeting with my buddy, Clint was like, Hey, why don't you come inside? Yeah, fucking come inside, but you're about to go outside while you're inside. You know what I mean? I don't know what you're talking about. No. So the first investigator on the scene was, as Henry said, had to move on in Africa, the aforementioned Cynthia Hind.

She began conducting interviews with children on September 20th, but headmaster Colin Mackey put a stop to these interviews a few months later because it was greatly affecting the mental health of his students. Also, if you are just the back of this book, this is just an example of Cynthia Hind style. Cynthia Haunt always upholds the highest standards of the scientific researcher. She remains unflappable, virtually foolproof, but open-minded to the end, her trademark is the extended and repeated interview, where her too far unretrieved and forgotten facts are often brought to the subject's conscious mind by a gentle and persistent prodding.

This is the back of the book. Judging by that picture, she's definitely flappable, but. When you're all flaps, it's like there's no flaps. Not at all. And that is one of the criticisms of this story, is that some people do say that Cynthia Hind went in there like a fucking Tasmanian devil and completely fucked up everything. Like a dog on a bow. Yeah, that she made it, her influence made it impossible to truly look at this entire

thing objectively. But the man who did know what he was doing was Dr. John Mack. Yes. See, Dr. John Mack was not only a professor of psychology at Harvard. We mentioned him at the very beginning of the episode. He was the head of the psychiatry department at Harvard Medical School, and he was trained in both adult and child psychiatry and psychoanalysis. Additionally, he also won a Pulitzer Prize for writing a psychological biography of Lawrence

of Arabia. Weird. This guy knew his shit. Okay. See, starting in the early 90s, Dr. Mack had become fascinated with the psychology of alien abductions, standing on the shoulders of such giants as Dr. Ronald Sprinkle. And I will show the whole world that we will make butterscotch telepathic. Awesome.

Thanks, Dr. Sprinkle. I miss Dr. Sprinkle. I love Dr. Sprinkle. Well, initially, Dr. Mack believed alien abduction to be simple mental illness. That's all there is to it. But he found again and again that the people he interviewed had no obvious pathologies. Instead, he found that there was a more spiritual and ethereal quality to what we know as alien abduction.

Yeah, because I don't know if collecting gems fits in the DSM-4. I don't know if that's a symptom of illness. I mean, it's struck all of our mothers. All of our mothers have the, I'd like to call it, Chachki AIDS, where it's this immuno system. I don't know what it is where they just collect snowmen and witches and pelicans. We still have all the humbles that were supposed to really go up in value, but they decreased immensely. Very much so.

No one cares about that. No one cares. And so, when Dr. Mack heard about the aerial school incident, he took a plane to Zimbabwe and began interviewing every child who was willing to speak with him. And by the time he was done, he was staunchly convinced that these children were telling the truth. He said that as a psychiatrist, it was his job to distinguish between psychosis like mass hysteria and actual reality.

And based on the information he gleaned from these interviews, he concluded that an extraterrestrial encounter did indeed occur in Zimbabwe in 1994. And if you want a compelling book, Johnny Mack's abductions is fantastic. What did you say? Like Johnny Mack? It sounds like he's in Mortal Kombat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. John E. Mack.

But I feel like he did it. I feel like there was some other John Mack he had to differentiate himself from. But his book's fantastic. Cool. Yeah. But Dr. Mack also paid a heavy professional toll for daring to buck-establish beliefs. And he almost lost his job because he dared to even be curious about something so supposedly silly as alien abduction.

I just find it interesting that they hated this topic and they felt that it lowered the reputation that it affected their reputation in a part of the medical school. As opposed to all the gang bang societies they had. But also, yeah, I mean, they all just suck each other's dick in the mid-come president. There's also the entire world of theology. They have a full theology department. So it's OK to talk about the fake man in the sky, but it's not OK. And I understand the cultural implications of it, but I feel like it fits right in it.

It goes right under the umbrella. We're going to talk about the cultural implications of our beliefs and the historical implications of our beliefs. You can't take this out of it. I have heard that aliens are angels in the sky, and I hear that they're playing in the infield. Mrs. Marianne Williamson, if you could please leave us all alone. Aw, she's sweet.

Well, I think the problem that Harvard had was not, if he was some sort of cultural anthropology professor talking about aliens, like say among the, was it the Dogon people of Africa? Yes. Very interesting. Very compelling. Very compelling. They're talking about it from a cultural anthropology perspective.

They're not going to have any problem with it. Their problem was that this was the head of the psychiatry department, and he's not talking about it from the perspective of, oh, this is a cultural phenomenon. These people just have something going on with them that has nothing to do with the real world. He's saying, no, there is something very real to this that we got to look into, and we're doing a disservice to the entire world by not looking into it. It's basically how we have now, how soft disclosure has come about, where people are

finally saying, like, no, look, there are UFOs in the sky. There is shit flying around. We're not doing anybody any favors by pretending like it's not happening. Yeah, that's crazy. And John Mack was saying the exact same thing. Same shit. And because honestly, because they really wanted to get back, they really wanted to make more time for them, because they had a whole course they wanted to do, which they felt this was

eating into, called Why Dudes Rock? Why Dudes Rock? And it was just like Sammy Hagar, who's the science of Sammy Hagar. In the Red Rocket. Seriously. And then they have a whole long thing about, like, our clitoris is real. Isn't that something one of the likes? No.

No. No. That's what they landed on. But it's Harvard. I don't know. I don't know. Much like an electric car, nothing under the hood. There is something.

It's not just empty. It doesn't run on magic. It's not empty. No, an electric car? Yeah. No, that's storage. That's where they put storage. Well, as far as the children themselves went, most of them were, to put it mildly, massively

fucked up by their experiences. Making it worse was the fact that just after the incident, Zimbabwe sort of fell apart through economic and social collapse, and the children were scattered to the winds with no one else to talk to about what happened. It has only been recently that these people have been willing to come forward to talk about their experience, and they look just as bewildered and frightened talking about it today as they did when they were interviewed as children in 1994. That's what brings me back.

It's the fear associated with it, and how deeply it all affected their lives. They are traumatized. Whatever happened that day, I will always kind of give the backdoor, like, we don't know if it's extraterrestrial necessarily. I don't know what that means, right? But whatever happened, fucked these kids up. They're not letting it go, because it was also the parents' fright, because what seemed to double their trauma was the parents' reactions to the kids, because the teachers were all

just as freaked out as anybody else, because these kids rolled up, and they're all saying the same thing, tears streaming down their face, saying we saw these things out in the field, and they don't know what the fuck to do, so behalf of them saying it didn't exist, that traumatizes you. The other one's getting freaked out and screaming, like, we're all going to die. That also fucks with you. It's very difficult. And of course, Henry only gives the backdoor on Oink Oink Saturdays.

That is where he gets on all fours. You say to our whole, that's all he heard. That's all he heard was backdoor. That was the first thing you said out of it. And I had a salient point to make that was going to build upon your point. Oink Oink Saturday. Oink Oink Saturday, like a free flowing, intellectual meeting of the minds. Yeah.

I don't even remember what it was. No, of course not. Now I'll remember it's Oink Oink Saturday. And this is why Republicans win elections. Like, this is the exact, the exact problem we're seeing. Where's the lube? It's Saturday. It's Oink Oink Saturday.

Oink Oink. He's owning the narrative. Well, what I was going to say is that, you know, the teachers, most of them did believe them. The headmaster of the school, you know, as much, he very reluctantly would say like, yeah, it happened, something happened. And John Mack, you know, and these, these parents are all bewildered as well. You know, and there was that showed in the documentary, there was this like basically

a PTA meeting where John Mack, you know, all these parents come and John Mack just goes up and says, hi, very happy to be here. Probably don't want to hear this, but yep, it was aliens. Yep. You see these teachers all like, oh, how are we going to fucking get our funding next year if there's aliens or what? You might get more funding. Who knows?

Yeah. And for me, it's like, it's not necessarily the fear that, that gets me because, you know, there is something to be said about, you know, fear traveling with you throughout the years. Yes. It's bewilderment. That's what gets me on the interviews, like what, like still just totally like, I don't, I don't get it. I don't understand because it hasn't, because, you know, Cynthia Hine uses the word crystallized

that their memory crystallized over the years feels like to me like it hasn't crystallized at all. No, they're all just as frightened and just as scarred by it because again, it's an example of you're met with the moment of the extreme mysterious, right? This is, there is no explanation. There is none. Whatever it was, maybe it all existed in the ripple of mass hysteria. That's just as mysterious as it is as aliens because it's like, where the fuck did it come

from? They didn't make up the story. They did not. Like I looked it all up. I dug in. I looked to see for any kid to like say like, at least one to say we made it up. There's somebody who made it up, Nate won't back off of it. And I don't think it's like the sunken thing either.

I don't think it's like a cult mentality where you're trying to, it's like, oh, well, I gave up my life to the story. Most of them have not said anything about the story since they were a child. All right. So while the aerial school incident is not necessarily a home run when it comes to proving the alien phenomenon, it's still one of, if not the most compelling case of an alien encounter in modern history. I believe it.

I believe it. I'd say, you know what this is? Not that long ago. This isn't in the park home run. Because yeah, officially it's not a home run, but if you hustle for it, you can get in there. A couple of different mistakes have to be made usually. Yeah.

I mean, yeah. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Well, there it is. The aerial phenomenon. UFOs over Africa is the name of the book. So check that out.

No, no. This is, it's out of print. We spent a lot of money on this book. It is? Yeah. We actually, yeah. How much money did you spend on that? Enough.

How much money did the company money? How much company money did you spend on that book? Enough. Enough. You know the cost of this book. Yeah, but it's enough. Do you remember when, what the fuck? Do you remember when Kissel accidentally extended his own hotel room for a week?

Yeah. Do you remember that? When he did that in a weird, in a weird decision you made in the middle of the night when you extended your hotel? So I would say this is equivalent. I think the book we purchased is equivalent. Yeah. I think so.

This is the aerial phenomenon documentary that is available at aerialphenomenon.com. It's fantastic. It's one of the best UFO documentaries and it's well made too. It's very, very well made. It's not a bunch of horse shit. Like these people. And if you can't extend your hotel, extend your hotel. Yeah.

Absolutely. I don't know the situation you're talking about, but I believe it. I remember it exactly. I don't remember the city, but I do remember getting the call of like, hey, so Ben extended his hotel for an extra five days. Do you guys know what that's about? Do you know what's going on with that? It was a mystery.

And you know what? We got to the bottom of it. What is it? You know what I'd say? Again, a moment of the extreme miscarriage. What is the man's motives? I don't know. I'll never know.

Because you went home the same time as we all ended up home. Yeah. We had, because we had like the Monday day. We had a meeting and we had a, we had a record. So you were there for all of that. You made it. I must have made a mistake. All right, everyone.

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