Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 506: Fred and Rose West Part I - A Match Made in Hell

Episode Date: September 24, 2022

This week the boys revisit a subject covered many years ago, this time with a much more in-depth analysis, as we embark on the story of one of Britain's most infamous couples, Fred and Rose West.

Now, this is my favorite type of story we cover here on Last Podcast. This is just the perfect, like, if you're getting ready to listen to the episode, go get yourself a big plate of spaghetti. Ooh, that's nice. Just really sit down. I think what's important is that take your shoes and your socks off so you smell your feet. Yeah.

Why wouldn't you? Like, while you're eating a big ol' bunch of lumps of sausage in there and you don't know what kind of sausage is, just like big ol' meal and then you eat it all up and this also, it's really great because it's such, like, a comfort blanket scenario. Like, you really just, you're just, like, want to get up in it. It's a true crime show. Yeah. It's just, like, because people fall asleep to true crime.

Yeah. I know they do. Which is actually kind of offensive. I get a lot of DMs. You're like, I bought it asleep to your show and I was like, oh, we worked really hard on that. No, no, it's comforting. It's comforting.

Yeah. And there's something that's just, there's something about the smile of Fred West that is so comforting. Oh, God. Yeah. It's a graveyard in a, like, it's a graveyard, tiny one, inside of a skull. Yeah. Isn't that beautiful?

Welcome to the last podcast of the Left Everyone. I am Ben, hanging out with Marcus and hanging out with Henry, who apparently wants the smile of Fred West, which you can get. You can go to Janky Doctor number seven down the street here in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and you can find someone to fuck up your teeth for you. Very, very easily. But I also think it's appropriate that I work out five days a week, but I have the body of Rose West.

In that nice today's episode, it's Fred and Rose West, a couple for the ages. We covered Fred and Rose West many years ago in just a single episode, in which we gave a brief overview of their crimes, as well as a small peek into what their motivations might have been. It was disgusting. But now, almost a decade after Henry was so unfairly accused of eating a burrito in a hotel closet during recording. I'm innocent.

Wow. It was really bad, I was in an extending, so when we recorded, I remember it distinctly, because it was in December, I was shooting your pretty faces going to hell. I was in a horrible hotel in Atlanta, that was before we had any form of budget. How could it be horrible? It was an extended stay. The thing is that they wanted you to extend it to the grave, because they want you to commit suicide in there.

How long is a divorce proceeding? Extended stay. Extended stay. And I was not eating burrito, I just had very bad Wi-Fi connection. Today, I'm going to eat a burrito during the episode. Well, I think that would be great, a nice bean burrito for Fred and Rose West. Well, now, we know far more about what Fred and Rose West did, why they did it, and how far back the culture of abuse went in their family histories.

Furthermore, we also know who else may have been involved in the 12 provable murders attached to the West's name. Yes, we do. So you're saying that abuse was their culture? I really feel that this whole episode, because the reason why we decided to jump in and do Fred and Rose West was because we wanted to get in the mood for the UK, because we're about to go to Europe, and what we want to do is just remind ourselves, like, why we go, why we go to perform, why do we celebrate the UK?

You guys all just got done lining up for days to go look at the corpse of a dead woman. 96 years fun. I've been slowly limiting the amount of salt I've been putting to my food, get my palate ready, so when I hit Europe, I'll be like, now that's a pretty tasty cabbage. There's a reason why we died a much higher rate of heart disease than they do. It's true. I know. It's because we have more fun.

And we have more sugar. Now, for the uninitiated, Fred and Rose West were a married couple living in a small English city called Gloucester. And this is what we're here to talk about. There's issues between one man who's associated and one woman who's associated. I love this. And I'm really sick of what's happening to our culture. Marriage is supposed to be between two rapists.

Gloucester is located just a little over 100 miles west of London, and together, Fred and Rose West, they committed up to 30 murders over the course of two decades, although Fred certainly committed quite a few on his own. 30 is just what they did, or 30, supposed, is just what they did together. I mean, together, provably. So what have you done with your wife this weekend? He just recorded a hit podcast. Oh, okay.

Now we may have already said it, but if I were to compare Fred and Rose West to anyone, the closest analog would be Raymond and Connie Marble from the John Waters film, Pink Flamingo. Oh, interesting. Okay. But simply, Fred and Rose West were the real world variants of the filthiest people alive. No. And any one of you have ever seen the League of Gentlemen in the UK? The Extraordinary League of Gentlemen.

No, no, no. That's a whole entirely different thing. It's a sketch show called The League of Gentlemen, and there's a couple of characters that are, it's perfect. They come from the small town of Royston Vasey, and they're whole things, they're obsessed with anybody who isn't local, and if you're not local, they kill you. These guys are the type of country bumpkins. I think in America, we get a lot of credit more so for our murderous country bumpkins.

Oh, totally. I think we need to leave the bumpkins alone. The bumpkins aren't the murderers, the bumpkins protect the murderers. Oh, well, that's what we're going to discover, apparently. That is a, we're not alone in that. Okay. UK also has a history of small towns keeping it local. Yeah, definitely.

And the bumpkins, from a personal experience, the bumpkins do some pretty awful shit. Bumpkins? Someone needs to keep an eye on the bumpkins. There are a lot of bumpkins doing some bumpkin shit out in Rochester, Texas that shouldn't have been doing bumpkin shit. All right. Together. Fred and Rose West built a torture dungeon in their home at the now infamous address

of 25 Cromwell Street in Gloucester. There they murdered young hitchhikers and runaways as a part of their regular sex life, involving strangers in their sadistic sexual games with all the regard one might show a cheap sex toy. I mean, these guys are, you guys, they're not very nice. Sounds like it. And I'll tell you one thing, Marcus. No McDonald's reputable.

No, no, no. You got any gum? You got any gum? You tell me. What do you like, the shrimp? You're killing him again. You're killing Norm again. He's rolling over in his grave, but I'm just going to push back a little bit, Marcus.

There is no such thing as a cheap sex toy. Have you been to a sex store? Yeah. Minimum 50 bucks. No, man. I give you a cheap sex toy, table leg. You can rub yourself against your chair. Well, that's not, Marcus.

Anything's a sex toy. No, I got 10 of them right here. Okay. Those are your fingers. All right. Oh my God. Honestly, 12 of them got my elbows. Okay.

Rubbing a clit. Fantastic. Well, after being killed, the victims were then meticulously dismembered, then buried either on the grounds of 25 Cromwell Street or in fields near Fred's hometown. There are, however, still burial sites unknown to investigators. Strangers, however, weren't their only victims, nor was sex always the motivation. Fred and Rose West murdered family members, children, and babysitters, basically anyone who got in their way.

But where he's Charles Starkweather murdered people to end arguments and quickly got caught, Fred and Rose West were far more clever. The fact that we just did Charles Starkweather, and now we're doing this series, the comparison is very interesting. Yes. It could not be like, while yes, they have the same official body count. They could not be more different. Fred and Rose West have one more.

I thought that they had, oh yes, that's right, it's 12. Yeah, it's 12 versus Starkweather. Let's start Starkweather. Starkweather got 11. Same as Starkweather. Same as Starkweather. All right. Well, in comparison to our last series, in which the culpability of Carol Anne Fugit

was in question, the participation of Rose West in these horrific crimes is beyond reproach. Oh yeah. In fact, one could argue that Rose actually made things worse, because Fred, a textbook sadist, not only had someone giving him permission, but someone to impress. Give my love to Rose, please, wouldn't you do that? That's great. She's gonna murder me, cut off my ears, and shove them in my asshole. I saw one expert put it in a good way too that I thought was interesting and said it

was not even just him impressing Rose, it was them in competition with each other. I do believe of all of the killer couples we have ever covered, this is the only couple that very easily one could have killed the other at any point. Rose West is not just, she is in the lap of the pilot, her and the pilot, they're both pilot. They join dick to asshole, driving a plane together that is crashing into hell. My goodness. But before we get into the why and how of England's most horrific crimes, let's acknowledge

our source today. For this one, we've got the seminal true crime biography, Fred and Rose by Howard Soones, who was actually one of the journalists who originally broke the story back in the mid-90s. This book was also adapted for a long-form podcast series. Interestingly, this is actually the second time that Soones has been used as a source for this network. He also wrote a pretty solid biography of Lou Reed, which we used on No Dogs in Space for our Velvet Underground series.

Fred and Rose West show up in the Lou Reed series. That would be interesting. Maybe they did listen to Velvet Underground when they were underground murdering all those people. I feel like they listened to a lot of songs that were like, oh, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. Like that weird, like, they had like band music. I got a little bit into like British sort of like pub review music, where it's just like a fat guy with a mustache and like a long skinny lady goes, oh, and they do like

tap dance in the middle of it, they sing covers of Elvis songs. That makes it scarier. It's really weird. Yeah. It's just Bay City Rollers. Yes. I guarantee it's Bay City Rollers 100%. Well, I saw a big, no, it's a big fat guy.

It was called the number one, it was the number one cocktail act in the world. And it was just dude, and he does a three minute tap breakdown. He's like 55 years old. Joey Chlubbers. He's really good. Yeah. Joey Chlubbers is fantastic. I sent it to Jackie.

I'll send it. Let me see if I can find it. Okay. Send it later. I'll watch it later. Fantastic. Well, without further ado, let's get into the full story of Britain's most infamous couple, Fred and Rose West.

I thought you were going to say Harry and Meghan. Disgusting. Fred. Well, Fred West grew up in the rural Hertfordshire village of Merchmerchall. Are you saying it right? Merchmerchall is just one of... Now you're going to want to be Merchmerchall during fall or March. We're going to get...

Merchmerchall in March is actually really, really nice. They were going to get the fucking shit out of us when we got to the UK, man. Merchmerchall? As soon as we start every one of these small towns, because they're all... They all sound like this. You want to go to the flower festival in Merchmerchall? I think it might be Merchmerchall. It might be...

It's Merchmerchall. It's Merch... I saw it. Merchmerchall? Yeah. Merchmerchall. All right. Great.

In Hertfordshire. In Hertfordshire. Yeah. Population 700 at the time of West's birth in 1941. West was fathered by two absolute ogres named Walter and Daisy, and had a nightmare's childhood nestled in the deeply disturbing British countryside. I can't express enough how deeply disturbed the British countryside is. It was.

It was. Back then. It was. Now it's fine. It's okay. We saw the whole royal family this fucking week. None of them are looking great. No, they look bad.

Prince Harry, who's the most genetically viable of all of them, he looks like a fucking... He looks like Bert. But what about him? He's looking less hairy. He's just fucking... He looks like a ballpoint pen. What does that have to do with the British countryside, though? They're all garbage.

Well, that's the royalty you can imagine with their countryside. What the fucking's look like? Does he only like women named after flowers? Was that all they would name their women after back in the day? Daisy Rose. Yeah. Daffodil. It's literally whatever they were squirted into in a field.

Well, Fred's parents were hideous creatures inside and out. Simple, stupid, and ugly. Henry, I say you have a picture of these people. How would you describe them? It is a... You forget. You just forget. Because when we first did this series, I didn't really like...

I was distracted. We did our... It was before we really got up in the fucking guts of the material. And this time, the whole family are demons. They all look like squat, Humpty Dumpty was a landlord. Oh, very scary. Like they're all just... I'm just going to need that money this month, okay?

Yeah, he's like... I would say his parents look like if you separated Shrek into two different people. Oh, yes. They took all of the feminine qualities of the male Shrek out and made it... Because Fred's mother is him with the wagon. Yeah. And his father is an ogre. Absolute fucking ogre.

Yes, very scary looking. Fantastic. Well, Fred was actually their second child, but the first to survive. Because Daisy miscarried her first child when a policeman showed up at their door. And since she'd never seen a policeman before, she got startled and lost the baby. She literally went... What is that shiny diamond on the chest? Wow.

And it was like... It's a badge. It's a badge. They took her so much, she lost the baby. Lost the baby, yeah. Okay. But after Fred, five more children were produced. And at least one child besides Fred was also a raving psychopath.

Say what you will about all of these bumpkins, but they are fertile. And they just pump and pump and fuck and suck, and I don't understand it how they even get the inspiration. I guess they're going on all day. Yeah, they don't got a lot going on. A lot of time on their hands. If you look at Fred West's mother at one point, are you like... God damn, I got to put another baby in that. Well, I think that it's more about the rubbing.

The rubbing? They just want to rub. Yeah, it could be, but I think you're also kind of on point when you say they didn't have a lot to do. They're not very busy. No. They've got to do something with their time. Yeah, of course. See, it's been discovered in the years since Fred West was caught that John West, Fred's younger brother,

was almost certainly involved in at least a few of the rapes and murders committed by Fred West. This is based on context clues after Fred admitted that there was quote-unquote another person sometimes involved in the crimes besides Rose. But since neither John nor Fred West survived long after their arrests, no further tales were told so there aren't many more details. That, however, does not mean that there aren't plenty of details about their fucking disgusting upbringing. The eventual family of eight slept in three bedrooms bathing in a tin tub on the porch and shitting in a big bucket.

They got emptied into a sewage pit every morning. They didn't even have an outhouse. They had a bucket. We can't blame them for being poor. No, it's not about that. It's just kind of about, this is more about the general atmosphere. It's the atmosphere. It creates a personality like Fred West.

And they weren't that poor. Okay. They were country bumpkins, sure, but they weren't like absolute. I mean, it wasn't the Great Depression. I want to bathe in a big old tub like that. See, that's fine. With a little brush and then you're just like, am I drunk or am I just in a bathtub? Again, you just circled all the way back around to insanely rich.

Oh, thanks. Eventually you can do that when you're very, very, very rich just in some how you get there. Yeah. Where this is like, it really was like, to be honest, a lifestyle choice. Yes, it was. Yeah, Fred said that one of his fondest memories of his mother was of her blasting away gigantic rats off of their porch with a shotgun. That was his favorite memory.

Besides, her sucking his dick. Oh my goodness. All right. As far as what Fred's childhood personality was like before things got truly gross, he was said to be a dull child, introverted and spoiled. Milk. Yeah, more milk. But then I think something else is we'll get to you because Rose West always said titties

are not for babies, titties are for fucking. Yep. That sounds like something you would say. Yeah, I know, again. You just put that mop top wig on me. I am Rose West. Well, Fred was of course bullied by the other kids and beaten by his teachers as was the style of the time.

Uh-huh. But when his mother stood up for him, he came to be known as a mummies boy. Okay, I was a mummies boy growing up. Oh, this reputation as a mummies boy was actually more true than anyone knew. You were a mummies boy because your mom took you out of school and took it a piggly wiggly. No, no, no. I want to hear how he relates himself to this because I do. Maybe he is a mummies boy.

At the age of 12, Daisy West began having sex with her eldest son. Out in the open. Like it was just chill. He used to just go in. Apparently what she'd do was that he'd start sleeping in the bed and then she decided when he was old enough to have sex with. You know, speaking of things coming full circle, when I was in Williamsburg, when I lived here, I saw an eight-year-old breastfeeding on Metropolitan Avenue.

I don't say that. There is something in like Goop, in like Gwyneth Paltrow's like, if he's 12, maybe. That might have just been a freaky-ass little person. No, it was a child. It was a child and I think he probably got made fun of a lot for sucking his mom's tit in front of the school. Unless all his other friends were like, nice. I mean, his mom was cute.

Okay, well, I mean, that's complicated. It is complicated, isn't it? Anyway, so she was getting molested. Yeah, by his mother. Yeah, he was getting molested by his mother. But the thing is, again, it was accepted. It wasn't accepted. Yeah, well, let's get into that.

Author Howard Soones maintains that this was an unusual for a small community like Butch Markle. For proof, he cited a late 50s novel set in Gloucester called Cider with Rosie. Dude, you'd even wait. Wait, another flower name. It seems from the synopsis to be a nostalgic look at the southwestern British countryside before motorcars and bicycles mucked up their isolated strangeness. This must be the, and truly must be the inspiration for things like Royston Vasey, where the whole

point of it is this idyllic lifestyle where you go and you live in the dirt, which is fine again. No problems with that again. I understand. I'm a city mouse, so I'm allergic to dirt. I understand. But you go out there and then it's all about being truly the joys of being barely educated and not knowing what's going on, being forced into manual labor at the age of 13 about

how that's good and about how mummy and father intimate times are actually also considered to be a part of what families do. I would also argue that we're talking about the same sorts of stereotypes about the British countryside that many people make about the, let's say, Texas countryside, although I will say that I did know of at least two families in which sons had sex with mothers. Absolutely. But the rest of society at least had the good sense to be like, hey now, this should be a shameful secret.

We all should know this, but it's nice now that they're getting to know that and saving people and getting out of these situations. But there it was kind of just been like, I'll say you're awesome. I'll say you're reasonable. Well, I mean, let's go through the cast of characters in the book. Fantastic. Colorful British names. Crabby B. Albert the Devil.

Oh, he's cute. Granny Trill. Spadge Hopkins. Don't let him anywhere near your fucking daughter or your farm animals. For some reason, I feel like he would make a great omelet, though. Spadge. No, the old Spadge. His favorite cabbage stump, Charlie.

Yeah, he was like... They called him a hard sort. His job was to see Thumpsia. That's what he did. That was his job in town. He went to Thumpsia. On the head? No, Thumpsia means he beats the shit out of you.

Yeah, fantastic. He just said, that's just what he does. Great. But amidst the pastoral scenes of Christmas Carol singing in five feet of snow and meals consisting of berries and bread. Yeah, berries and bread. The author of Cider with Rosie also wrote of murder, attempted gang rape, and the fact that incest, quote, flourished when the roads were bad.

And this custom, he said that the custom was neither seen as normal or abnormal. Let's call it barely frowned upon. Again, more of a tasteful. More of a tisk-tisk. He's like... It's fairly neutral. Yeah. Talk about going out there.

They all talk about there was a guy that was made good, that he moved to New Zealand. And then he came... This is Insider with Rosie. This is Insider with Rosie. He moved to New Zealand, and then he came back. And the sheer fact that he ever left, I'm just going to call it Royston Bay-Z, the fact that he even left it, the town murdered him. And then when the police came to go and be like, hey, where is this guy we're looking

for? No one said anything. And the thing is that in the book, they're all like, and that's the simplicity of a tone. Well, it's a novel. That's what Sim, but the whole point was all being like, simpler times. Well, he should have gone back. He should have stayed in New Zealand, it sounds like.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, to be fair, the author of Insider with Rosie, Laurie Lee, he was writing more about cousins having sex with each other rather than mothers and sons. Oh, sure. But as the British say, in for a penny, in for a pound. You're fucking your son. Oh, my goodness.

Well, they did talk about, they do have that one thing where all the boys were fighting about who'd get to sleep in mommy's bed. And then when one was, they basically would switch in the new oldest one into the bed, where the oldest one was able to go work. It would stop sucking on mommy in the bed, but the next one would get in there and be like, oh, get it. Like, oh, good to sleep. Oh, good to sleep with mommy now.

All right. Real lucky lady there. Yeah. At the end of the day, these children were being lested. Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. Now, the West family never confirmed for sure that Fred had sex with his mother, but

Fred's father was open and proud about how many young girls he'd abused. He told Fred that abusing children was natural, something that every man had the right to do. And Fred internalized this claim completely. Even after he was caught sexually assaulting girls as a teenager, he was bewildered that anyone would care, maintaining that, quote, everybody did it. It is really wild because that was his comment, was like, I thought everybody did this. Yeah.

Well, it's what I'm talking about with culture of abuse. Right. Yeah. And it's true to how every single one of the documentaries start with like, Fred West, he was a jovial sort, everybody loved, quick with the world, oh, and he casual with the small and everybody loved him, but also an expert at molestation. Yeah. I don't think everyone did love him.

I feel like he should flip it. Yeah. I feel like it should be first. He's an expert. Well, you don't start with like, Jared Fogel could sell the fuck on a sandwich. You start with pedophile, Jared Fogel could sell the fuck on a sandwich. That is true. He could, I guess.

By 15, Fred left school barely able to read or write above a second grade level. And even though most in town considered him a crude and abusive bumpkin, others thought that this ghoul was one of the best looking boys in town. He may have been. I may be. It's an indictment on everybody else in the town. It's like basically, that's like our credit is probably some of the best looking podcasters in the business.

Exactly. Yeah. We've seen our people. Fred West may have stayed a simple creep on the criminal level for the rest of his life like his father, never coming close to murder. But when he was 17, he was riding a motorcycle trying to intentionally ram it into a girl when he went flying over the handlebars and suffered a nice little head injury that resulted in a seven day coma.

Yeah. That is also the horrible. Not to, I'm just going to be a little jokie here, but if you're going to run over someone, you got to use the car. Yeah. Like you're actually very much at risk of also getting your, he's not a very smart person. No. Fred West has the same exact IQ as Forest Gump.

They said this in the end. Is that right? Yes. But he didn't have a nice heart and Forest never had sex with his beautiful mother. Well, no, he didn't know, but his mother really cared about Forest's education. She did. Yeah. Forest had a great soul.

Yeah. He's immune to AIDS. Yes. I think so actually. Now that head injury from the motorcycle incident, that might have been enough to put Fred West in the serial killer with a head injury hall of fame. But not too long after the motorcycle accident, he fell from the second story of a building and landed head first again, losing consciousness.

You might not have walls. How did you fall? He was, he was trying to, he was trying to grab at a girl and she punched him and he fell backwards over a railing. They were on a fire escape. He fell backwards over a railing and boom, head first again. And also for anyone who watches Animal House, it's a fantastic comedy. If you do those things in real life, it's crime.

It's a crime. And then you get jumbled and she gets punched in the head and then he falls over in his brain damage and then we don't know what happens to Bluto after college. She becomes a center. No, it's in the end of the movie. He becomes a center. Yeah. Yeah.

I've forgotten about that. Well, when Fred woke up, people said he was even more short-tempered and irritable than he was before and the disconnect from humanity that sometimes results from head injuries when the brain is still developing, that became complete. I also, it's kind of funny because again, several documentaries were like one of the most unfortunate circumstances of that motorcycle accident. Was it definitely was a detriment to Fred West's good looks? Oh, really?

Like it shortened his nose. That's what they keep saying and you're like, I don't, he was never good looking. He looked ghoulish from the time of birth. I sent Henry a picture of like a baby photo. Yeah. Evil. Life from your grave. A roast as dark as the night.

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Now around the time that Fred got a double whammy to the frontal cortex, he met a 16-year-old Scottish girl named Rina Costello at a dance in Much Markle when Fred was around 18 years old. Rina was another late 50s juvenile delinquent and after she was sent to the 1958 Scottish version of Juvenile Hall for petty theft, she escaped to England and met Fred West. Yay. Now sort of like Caroline Fugit, Rina Costello was impressed by Fred West's horrible behavior. She believed his far-fetched tough guy stories, like when he told her he came back from the

dead after his motorcycle accident when the cold marble of the mortician slab jolted him awake. He would do this a lot where he'd own multiple businesses, then he was a millionaire and he could do all of this shit and it just, I wasn't, definitely didn't have any of that. Okay. Taking him at his word, Rina went hard on the relationship immediately, tattooing Fred's name into her arm with a sewing needle and black India ink. Oh, that's a cool tattoo, Fred.

Oh yes, nice. Oh yes, definitely, Fred was here. Everybody loves the whole world to know a man named Fred to hate my ass. But soon after Fred's second head injury, he and Rina's fighting got more frequent and she returned to Scotland for two years. Meanwhile, Fred West, now 19, he began a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old girl and it gotten arrested for, quote, having unlawful carnal knowledge of a child, because of course she became pregnant.

I hate the term unlawful carnal knowledge. It's awful. Because it really should be, like, that's how we feel about, like, pizza. Like, I have an unlawful carnal knowledge of the levels of burrito in Los Angeles. Yeah. That's where I think it should be served for, not just for, not for, for, for, for, for a second child. You can say the rape of a child.

Yeah. You can just say that. Yeah, you can just say that. Yeah. But once it came time to testify, the girl decided against it and Fred walked free for the first of many times to come. Limped free. Yeah.

Because he had a permanent limp. That's right. Well, between the trial and the arrest, though, Fred had rightfully gained a reputation in his village as a child molester, a petty thief, and a violent, volatile brain-damaged creep. And I tell you what, he also said I was bad at pool. Yeah, that is bad. Anyway, I'm opening up a new sandwich shop, I need a pitchman.

You think you can do it, Fred? I don't know. I'm actually pretty busy with molesting. Oh, okay. In addition, the jobs he'd been doing on farms around the countryside were all being replaced by automation. Oh. It's sad.

It's sad for the rest of them. Yeah, for the rest. It's huge, true. For the rest of them, yeah. I mean, that's the reason why my hometown, the fucking Rochester, is just completely fucking dead now. It's all rocks. Automation.

But now, there's so much opportunity for growth, because it's all the- There's nothing. There's nothing. This is dead, and everyone's left. People are still there. They're trying. It's hard. We had a call in on open lines on Serious Radio.

Thanks for everyone who listens. From a gal in Lubbock, she said everything's going great. Well, Lubbock's different. Lubbock is two and a half hours away, and it's a town of 300,000 people. I'm talking about a town of 200 people in the middle of nowhere. I forgot your eyes. It's a town of only a bowling league. Somebody please fix it online.

I'm not from Lubbock, Texas. I'm from Rochester, Texas. Hey, man. Hey. Hey, whoa. Hey. Wow. Geography's important.

We know that. We know that. We know that. We know that first. No even question. It's the same as... It's honestly the same as the British. All the same.

Because it's like the direct line from it. They're all like, I know. I'm from Debbie's soil. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why you have a confused, because this is like, I'm from Flippin' on Flippin'. We can have conversations about the difference between a West Texas accent and an East Texas accent later.

I know. I watched No Country for Old Men once again, and after you pointed out that the lady didn't have a good Texas accent, then I started to listen to it, but I still can't tell the difference. She's a terrible, terrible Texas accent. But anyway, after automation killed all the jobs in Fred's hometown, he moved to the town of Leadbury and did odd manual labor jobs in construction. This was the work he'd do for the rest of his life, and the skills he learned would

later be used to build a torture dungeon in his cellar with his wife, Rosemary. And it's very bizarre odd manual labor jobs. Go put that baseball cap on the mailbox, 15 minutes later, take it off. That is odd. That is odd. That is odd. That is really... Wow, that is great.

That is really fucking great. Go walk in a circle for five minutes in the parking lot, put the baseball hat back on the mailbox, 15 minutes later, take it off. I don't really understand why my daily labor has to be a series of riddles. Well construction work also gave West more opportunities to steal, which would garner him dozens of arrests over the years. Fred West was a definite kleptomaniac. But despite all the horrific facts concerning what this 19 year old monster was up to, Rina

Costello returned from Scotland when she turned 18, pregnant from an affair with a bus driver. It's cause all the romance happens in Glasgow. And that bus driver moved to Springfield, Illinois, and it became Otto. Get on in the car, boys. We don't know Otto's backstory. No, and we don't know what state Springfield's in either. They say perennial joke on this show. I believe it is Illinois.

No, they've never named it. They've never named it. They know he hasn't named it. Oh, they have a sea. They're near the sea, which is weird because Illinois doesn't have any seas. Interesting. I don't give a fuck. The lakes are actually quite big over there.

That's why I like South Park better. I know where it is. It's in Colorado. They're not trying to lie. No, and Fred discovered that the child was going to be born mixed race because the father was a Pakistani descent. He convinced Rina to not only abort the child, but to allow Fred to perform the abortion himself out in the woods.

All right. All right. All right. I don't need some corner. I don't need your villa. All right. I don't need to get some decked in here. All right.

I can do more stuff. You're going to do it? This is the problem with every. I found some snippets of Fred West. I don't understand a single fucking word that he says. No. It's just one lesson that one thing I hear he says, the thing about money got workman's hands.

No, it's Australian. I could take a Spanish because it goes like I can whip a knuckle off a screw without a spanner because it would take very much for me to choke it down. Well, that's really impressive there, Fred. How'd the abortion go? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

What do I got to do? No. That's strange. It's kind of Italian. Also found out that out in the west of, in Hertfordshire, they also have a saying it's like Gert Gushel or something like that. What did I tell you? Yeah, I don't know.

You said a thing. We're just all different. Yeah. We're just all different. All different. We just, again, we're not better. We're just different. We're different.

Absolutely. Gert Lush. Gert Lush. I don't know what that means. That means very good. Oh, sure. Gert Lush. Gert Lush.

That's not how they say it. I don't think it's true. You sound the street. I'm actually fine with it. Gert Lush. Gert Lush. You just see that be my last words. Oh, you literally, it's going to mean something offensive.

You said it wrong. We definitely are saying it incorrectly. Sure. Now, the plan for the Poemade abortion was to do it amongst the trees while a friend of theirs acted as a lookout. But he was just looking in. The telescope went too far away. I see.

But while Fred was in the process, someone thankfully spotted them and called the cops before he really got into it. And so Fred agreed to raise the child once it was born. And by November of 1962, Fred and Rena were married. Yeah. Because I can't imagine that she was going to live if he committed or if he went through with the abortion. Because I can't imagine he really knew what he was doing.

Well, it might be a lie, but Fred West did claim that he was an amateur abortion doctor. And what? Wait, I don't. I mean, some. Some things you have to go. Yeah. It is. Yeah.

You can be an abortion doctor, please. Well, I mean, but on the other hand, yeah, he might have been lying about that, but friends of his did see that he had the implements for it. He had an oxy acetylene burner. He had a length of tubing with a corkscrew at the end of it. I don't know. Have you seen Vera Drake? Vera Drake.

I never saw Vera Drake. Vera Drake is where we used to play a drinking game in college. We played Vera Drake and it's all about a small town, an abortion woman, right, doing this thing. And we played a drinking game. And the first time she says, all right, drop your knickers, you take a drink, but it's very like it's all, it's rough, man. It's really rough.

He had all of the stuff again. It's, I mean, then anybody, if you've got three microphones, you got yourself a podcast. I don't know. If you have all of the influence, if you go buy all of the stuff, anybody can say. When I was in seventh grade, I had an Alonzo morning, Jersey and Charlotte Hornet shorts and I wore basketball shoes. I wasn't on the team, again, there's a bar for entry dress up. I think you may have just been dressing up now right after Fred and Rina got married.

Fred immediately began treating her as a sex object rather than a fellow human being brutally and forcefully demanding sex at all times. However, an important fact to remember about Fred West always remember this was that he was a chronic premature ejaculator burn in there. Burn it in. Yep. Good. Oh yeah.

He was a little bit of a dillinger. Every single time Fred would be done in seconds, which was only the smallest of mercies for the women subjected to his assaults. But even though life was bad for everyone involved, things only got worse when Rina gave birth in March of 1963 to a girl they called Charmaine. Now, even though Fred was fine with having a reputation as a psychopath, he didn't want to be seen as having a mixed race child. That would be embarrassing.

Yeah. Right. That's the problem. It's just that the pictures that she'd miscarried and the mixed-race baby had been adopted as a replacement. Okay. Now, Fred, of course, hated the child and left Rina for a new life in Glasgow, where Fred said he found his way into the Scottish underworld and worked as a pimp.

Oh, God. The Scottish underworld is all just between hairy knees under a guilt. Yeah. Yes, indeed. Well, I think Glasgow is a place you could fit right in. They like to fight. They like to drink. They like to overall be horrible.

I love Glasgow. I love it. Oh, I'm not seeing these are bad things. Glasgow. If you say Glasgow, they'll fucking hang and they'll string you up from Glasgow. Yeah. Glasgow. What are you going to do?

They might kill you. They're not going to kill me. Yeah. We'll find out. We've got two weeks. John Kerry said Glasgow once and they never let him forget it. Amen. John.

The thing is, then, that's why every time you see him, you've got to ask him why the long face. Yeah, he's got a long face. Yeah, he's got a long face. Yeah, you really got that guy. Yep. Yes, indeed. Well, years later, Fred would maintain that he still had a quote-unquote Scottish connection.

Something the gays would say. I know a guy. I know a guy. I know a guy. Because, again, it's all about wanting to appear big and tough. Yeah. Fred West has always been like this. It's also, with the abortion angle, like his thing about being obsessed with abortions,

you'll see this come up in time, time again. There's something about him that loves this clinical expression of, it's like, he's more again, because he's already come. Yeah. Like, no matter what he's done, he's already come. Always. He's like clinical and looking at it. That's actually almost even worse, too, is that all of his crimes come after he's come.

Yeah. And he's kind of on a different sort of level, because you see a lot of these other serial killers, it's very childlike what they do. With Fred West, it's not. It is, you're right. He looks at it from a clinical level. Like a DMV abortionist. Oh my goodness.

But in reality, instead of having Scottish connections, in Glasgow, Fred drove a yellow Mr. Whippy ice cream truck. Oh, cool. Ah. But this did not mean that Fred's time in Glasgow was any less nefarious. No, I don't think that he just likes ice cream. No. Fred became known as a man who would try to entice teenage girls into his ice cream van.

It's unknown how often he was successful, nor is it known how bad things got once a girl was in there. Regular sweet tooth. That's disgusting. Mixing the pleasures of life, such as ice cream, with horrible incidents of crime. Good. I think that's good. I don't like that.

What we do know is that Rena eventually joined Fred back in Scotland. She was soon pregnant again, albeit this time with Fred's child, and gave birth to another girl named Anna Marie. But it's also in Glasgow where it is almost certain that Fred began his career as a serial killer. Fred and Rena lived in a stretch of tenement buildings, and each end of the street had garden plots where families could grow vegetables when times got tough. Fred, however, always kept one plot clear, saying that he was keeping it for something

special. Carousel. Carousel. As such, when Fred West was living in Glasgow, at least four young girls that we know of fitting Fred's victim type disappeared. If we look at Fred's later MO, it's suspected that he murdered girls in his ice cream van and dismembered them in his garden shed, then buried the corpses in his special garden plot. See, I would also say he probably just buried them, because I also know when he picked up

later on his skill of dismembering, he got quote, unquote, good at it. Well, that's what I mean is that that's why I think that he did dismember them, because in a cruder fashion than he would do later on. Yeah, he'd done it four times by the time investigators got to see the actual first body. He'd already most likely done it at least four times, maybe more. We have no idea. And so all of that was with the soundtrack of the ice cream truck.

Oh, you know how many people, how many children have died hearing, do do do do do do do do do do. That's what it is. I put like seven dozen. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. Now you might ask why no, dozens of deaths. Now you might ask why nobody is gone and dug up the garden in the years since Fred's capture, but right after Fred West left Scotland, the entire area was bulldozed and today 13 lanes

of traffic cover the area where the bodies may have been buried. Now while Fred was living in Glasgow, he fathered two sons named Steven and Gareth with two different women. They'll come back later. Rita meanwhile was also stepping out, sleeping with another bus driver named John McLaughlin. She had a type. Yeah, you could say I have a type. I like them big, yellow, full of kids, you like bus drivers?

Yeah. Yeah. Eventually Fred and John McLaughlin got into an actual knife fight over Rita, but after the fight ended in a draw. What? Did they just take my hair and draw? Yeah, buddy. You know what?

Man, just poke me. Just poke me. Yeah, you just stab me. Just poke me a little bit. Well, Fred slashed the other guy in the stomach. The other guy, John McLaughlin, punched Fred and they went all right, all right, all right. Very Scottish. Yeah.

But after that fight, Rita left with the bus driver temporarily and covered the old India Ink tattoo that said Fred with one that said John. Oh, that's a tight change. That's a tough one. I would imagine it just said Frawn. Yeah. To me, this is for the ladies of the men out there. It's at service.lpotlgmail.com.

If you got a name of somebody you've been fucking, right, or you dated for a long time or you married on your arm, would you not try to get somebody like, fuck with somebody named like Sled? Because you only got to do like two of the words? Yeah, you want to or just try to find somebody with the same name and we see the breakup going on with Belboa, Rocky, Sylvester Stallone, Belboa, he was over the dog. Yeah. Oh, was it over the dog?

He replaced a picture of his wife on his arm with the picture of the dog. Wow. Isn't that crazy? I was like, dang. Wow. Very serious. That's intense. This is kind of right.

Well, eventually, Rena returned to Fred, but there were still two kids to take care of. Yeah. What's happening with these kids? The kids. No one gives a fucking shit about the kids. Somebody needs to care a little bit. Well, what Fred would do over the years is when there wasn't a woman around to take care of the kids, he'd just dump them into foster care.

Yeah. They rented out of foster homes. They rented out of orphanages. He'd basically called like whatever the version of CPS was and be like, come get them. I'm done with them. And then they'd come and scoop them and then he'd go and fight to get them back. And then they'd be there. And then honestly, a lot of times he just left them alone in the house.

They just let them just sit there and fend for themselves and like literally live amongst trash, buying their own food. They just were kind of left to be feral. Because there's four kids, right? There's two at this point. Oh, just two. I mean, he's fathered four. He's fathered three children.

There are two in his household right now. One of them is not his and one of them is his. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like Henry, or it's like we were saying, you know, Henry talking about how filthy the house is. It's the filthiest people alive.

Yes. They really are. It's the real version of that. Sounds like a real modern family. Very good. Well because there were two kids to take care of, Rena hired a live in nanny named Issa McNeil. And from what Issa said, Fred made his two girls sleep in a bottom bunk, which had slats

that pin them in like animals. And they'd only be let out when he was at work. Oh yeah. And he would do this later with his other kids once him and Rosemary were married. Eventually though. Once they started their independent business. Yes, their independent business venture. Yes.

Eventually Issa introduced Rena to a 16 year old runaway named Anna McFall and McFall moved in as well. This became a tactic for Fred West, gathering people on the outskirts of society into his home to use them as he pleased. And later Rose West would happily join in and in fact would act as bait. Now around the same time that Anna moved in, Fred ran over and killed a young boy while he was driving his Mr. Whippy back. This is on the book.

Jesus. This is just one he just did slide on the side. No, no, no. I mean, it was probably an accident. Who knows? But it's on record. It's Fred West. Fred West provably ran over a little boy with his ice cream truck.

Oh my goodness. Curiously, according to Howard Soons, fatal accidents involving children and ice cream vans were fairly common in Glasgow. I mean, it makes sense. I guess so. Glasgow. As such, the death was right. Yeah, I said Glasgow accidentally.

It's just there. You know why? You know why? Because we used to say Moscow. That's why. We never say Moscow. Actually, you know how Moscow's pronounced? Moscow.

Ah, interesting. Well, as such, since so many kids were getting run over by fucking ice cream trucks. Isn't it interesting? It isn't. It really isn't, actually. The death was rolled accidental and Fred wasn't charged, but since Fred was an obvious psychopath who had now killed a boy using the same ice cream truck he'd used to lure possible murder victims, he decided it was time to quit Scotland and return to his home

village of much more. I've lost my taste for popsicles. I guess so. Rena soon followed with her two kids along with Issa McNeil and Anna McFall. Before long, the entire unit moved to Gloucester where Fred would spend the rest of his natural life. But that first home, it was a caravan. Four adults, two small children living in the British equivalent of a mobile home.

And we're not even talking, well, I'm not talking about like a trailer house. I'm talking about a mobile home. I've seen the new van life, I've seen little homes, dude. I mean, it's fine. Yeah, but things were always tense and always filthy. Again, it's just, it's more, how do you put it, animalistic. Fred West was a true, like, that's like one of the first people in like, as we talk about certain criminals the way we describe them, is that like, he's like an animal.

Yeah. Like he is very base. He's very, that's what they always said, the word crude comes up again and again and again. Because he'd always be like, he's always a grabby guy, he'd honk your tits, he'd grab your butt. He would just be like, he was always saying disgusting things. Sounds like George H.W. Bush. Hey man, what a David Copperfield.

God damn it. Will you ever, will you ever let this go? He did it. He brought it up. Well, he brought it up. David, he brought it up. He loved it. It was his favorite joke.

The president. It's one of those things where he always like, I just like, just disgusting. And so everyone is periphery, just kind of ended up living like that because he was the head of the household. He was a true beast, like that's the best word to describe him. Now once Fred arrived in Gloucester in 1966, he got a job at a slaughterhouse, which we somewhat misinterpreted on our first run at this subject. Back then we quoted Colin Wilson, who said that the slaughterhouse helped develop a morbid

obsession with corpses, blood, and dismemberment in West Psyche. But in reality, Fred West was a truck driver for the local abattoir. He collected the carcasses of dead animals from local farms and loaded all of the awful into 40 gallon drums. Oh, God, it's even worse. Someone's got to do it. Yes, of course. But I'm just, yeah, I'm not saying it's like, I'm not throwing shade on the job.

It's more just like, it's that level of like, you need somebody to scrape up your fucking corpses. That's what we're all fucking doing all along. It's just a job. Well, that's the things that Fred had already most likely murdered, at least four women. So it's likely that working with the dead was just all too comfortable for Fred West by 1966. Right.

Now, Rena continued seeing bus driver John McLaughlin long distance, and she began forming plans to leave Fred and head back north with the kids and the nannies. But when Fred returned home from work unexpectedly to find everyone packing up, he threatened to kill every single one of them. As a result, Rena and Issa escaped and left the children behind, lest Fred do something permanent. Oh my goodness. Also, I did learn, and I believe it to be true, wheelchair fellow from the original

Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Frank Franklin, they say it is a sausage and it's human sausage. She bought it from the Sawyer's gas station. Whoa. Yes, because there's a picture from the side that looks like a sausage. I got a DM from a fan. They said it's human sausage that they bought from the gas station. Wow. I actually still think, well, interesting.

Isn't that something though? Anyway, it's a theory. I'll go ahead and say that is something. It's cool, right? It's something. So the whole time, he's gnawing on someone's toe. Honestly, it sounds amazing. Yeah.

Well, even though Issa and Rena, even though they left and left the kids behind, Anna McFall decided to stay behind to take care of the children. Okay. And that was a decision that would ultimately prove fatal to the 16-year-old runaway. Oh. Now, from what Issa later said, Anna was infatuated with Fred, and she thought that he would provide a better life for her once everyone else was gone. There must have been something to this guy.

No, there's nothing. There must have been. She was infatuated. No. And not in the same way that we're infatuated by Chris Farley and John Candy. It's again, it's the culture of abuse. Some people fall into that. They fall into that cycle of abuse equals love.

You also like it. And they get closer to the person. Because they think if they get closer to them, they'll love me. They'll love me, and they won't hurt me. Gotcha. But it's just a cycle. It's dealing with bullies forever. That's the idea.

So he's a bully, and you're trying to end your cycle of abuse. You're trying to end. So you think that if you get in there with him, you can grace yourself to the bully that it can help you. But in the end, you're just encouraging the behavior. Yeah, that's going to happen. And indeed, when Rena returned for the children, he found that Fred and Anna were in a relationship. But of course, this meant nothing to Fred West.

It's thought that he committed at least eight sexual assaults between 1965 and 1967. And it's suspected that he may have murdered a 15-year-old boy who was found naked and dead in a shed near some porno magazines that had drawings of nooses around the model's necks. You know, there's so many things attached to him, and he was always like this. He's always, the only way he knew how to express himself to any woman, especially women, was fucking grabbing him. He just grabbed him.

But he was killing men too, boys too. I don't know. Well, maybe he fucking, honestly. Sometimes he'll just kill anything. He's very dangerous. Let's put it this way. He was very dangerous. Sounds like it.

Well, the reason why they think he may have killed the boys, because they worked, I think they worked at the slaughterhouse together, and it wasn't too far away. Like the shed wasn't too far away. He was originally billed as a suicide, but then once Fred West was caught and investigators started looking at, like, OK, let's look at what happened at every place this guy lived for his entire life, and they just kept finding corpses everywhere. But the first known murder in Fred West's history came after Anna McFall got pregnant in the spring of 1967.

Now, Anna's pregnancy was, in fact, illegal, because she was 17 and Fred was 26, and indeed a social worker was alerted and a report was filed. But no follow-up was made. Again, man, I got a great sandwich shop. Now, we are looking for a spokesperson that can really, we got a new sub. It's called a tuna sub, but it's not tuna. My thing is, though, my whole weekend, I'd love to come and sample it, so I can get you to know, so I can pitch them correct.

I'd love it. If I could, if I could just come down and get some of these samples, if I could get a happy sandwich or something like that, that'd be really, really good. But honestly, most of the time, I'm fucking chickens in the shed, so I kind of got to do that, or I got to get that done first. That's my Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. So Wednesday, I could sneak by. Great.

You know, as far as, you know, no follow-ups being made, you know, this I wouldn't, definitely wouldn't say it's justified, but I would say it's somewhat understandable because post-World War II, England was a fucking mess. Yeah, right. It was extremely poor. Nobody knew what the fuck was going on. They were trying to rebuild an entire country. And a lot of people fell through the fucking cracks, a lot of people.

But Anna McFall disappeared from the caravan park where she and Fred lived in July of 1967. For reasons that are still unclear to this day, outside of armchair forensic psychology. Now, we do know that Fred and Anna fought often because Fred refused to get divorced from Rena to marry Anna. Most likely though, Fred snapped and stabbed her to death. And considering how expertly the body was dismembered, it is almost certain that this was not Fred's first foray into butchery. Yeah, he had acquired a skill.

Yeah. I don't know if it also came from just being a country person, because you guys, you have rendered dear, right? And cattle. And they say that it's the same thing. I said, you kind of just cut the meat around the joint. Yeah. You get down to the center of the joint.

And then you just pop it out. Marcus did all of that while openly weeping, which really was sweet. Yeah, he was the poet. That's how they knew. Yeah. No, they called me Tinder-hearted. Yeah. He don't like to dismember their pee.

Yeah, Marcus is weird, but he don't dismember no pig with no smile. But I tell you what, we put watermelon in the microwave for 15 minutes. Marcus have at it for a half an hour. He love it. I will say this though, I did not enjoy killing anything, but dismembering, I had absolutely no problem with that. He loves it. I didn't like it too much, Ashley.

I didn't necessarily love it, but you give me a fucking basket of doves. Yeah, I'll rip the heads off all those, rip all the wings and the feathers off. He's like a terror. Get him right. He's got a little corky butt. No, you got to eat him, because you get that fucking dove bite. I like that. I don't like it.

And you put a fucking jalapeno up in there, and you wrap it in bacon, put some cream in there. It's supposed to be a harbinger of peace, and it's supposed to let you know the war is done. Yeah, man. Well, technically, those doves should have fought harder, because actually, warriors for peace should be stronger than those that want war. I agree with that, but again, the dove didn't do anything wrong.

No, no, it didn't. Well, going off of Fred's later MO, we can assume that Fred killed and dismembered Anna McFall in his caravan, where he would be comfortable and undisturbed, as far as where the kids were most likely in a foster home at this point, one of the many times they were in foster homes. Now, when the body of Anna McFall was finally discovered in 1994 in a place called Finger Post Field, outside of much Markle, police found a fully dismembered and beheaded corpse. Wow.

Later, Fred said that he dismembered the women he killed, because once he dismembered them, he'd only have to dig a small hole instead of a coffin-sized grave. So he was working smart, not hard. I guess. However, the evidence tells a different story concerning his motivations in dismemberment. I always find this interesting about, I like the term, again, Catherine Ramsland, extreme offender. Yeah.

Right? They does serial murder. Right? But it is interesting, because there's always aspects, with many of them, that they're totally okay with talking about. Yeah. Right? And they'll talk about details of crimes, BTK is a perfect example.

Right. But then there are certain things that just won't admit out loud. And this is one of those that Fred just cannot admit that he took trophies, or there's some form of cannibalism happening. Oh, interesting. It's like Ken Bianchi. The only thing he's upset about is that he wet the bed, and it's like, yeah, you wet the bed.

He's like, no, you tell everyone I've murdered those women. You mentioned that I wet the bed. I'm embarrassed. Yep. Isn't that bizarre? It is. Well, as Fred would do time and again, he sliced off the fingers and toes and took them somewhere, along with the ankle and wrist bones.

Now, Fred claimed that he removed the fingers and toes to make identification more difficult. But what's more likely is that fingers, toes, and later, bizarrely enough, kneecaps were Fred's favorite trophies. Maybe it's because you can play the Yahtzee with all of them. What the hell is going on? I mean, I know finger bones, you can make dice out of those. Yeah, I know that. Yeah.

Okay. Rolling bones. Yeah. But kneecaps, I have no idea. But for some reason, all of them were missing their kneecaps. Kneecaps just sound like gothiamicus. Yeah. Oh, kind of fun.

So his trophies weren't jewelry. No, they were body parts. They were body parts. Straight up body parts, yeah. But lest ye forget, Anna McFall was also pregnant. West cut out the fetus most likely after Anna was killed. Didn't need to do that, but he did it anyway. Richard Chase of him.

Yeah. However, concerning Anna McFall, her disappearance was never even reported, much less investigated. She was a runaway from a troubled home. And when former West Nanny, Issa McNeil, never heard from her again, she assumed McFall had found a new life in England, somewhere, somehow. Oh yeah. It's so convenient for them. Oh yeah.

Because people always go from a trailer part. They always just disappeared England and become a movie star. Oh, then she just disappeared there. She found a new life. We don't even have to look for her anymore. We don't even have to look for her. Because she found a new life. Turns out she's getting dressed by cartoon mice.

And she does have an evil stepmother, but she's going to find a prince. I mean, back then, yeah, people were a lot more transient. People would disappear. And you'd never hear from again. Yeah, but I think they just ended up in graves. Yeah. Most people. How many people actually, like, went to Hollywood?

They still say 90, I think that the actual statistic is 90% of people die within 10 miles of where they were born. So it is very, like, most times, you don't leave, most times, that's where you're dead. Yeah. Maybe in a circle of life. Now, after Fred West murdered Anna McFall, Rina inexplicably moved back in, possibly because her affair with the bus driver ended and she had nowhere else to go. Well, Fred took the night shift at a flower and animal feed plant.

Rina did sex work, which Fred highly encouraged. He loved it. In fact, Fred would show his peers and coworkers naked pictures of his wife as if to somehow impress them. It's always weird. I, you still run into these guys at the bar. This happened to me recently sitting in a bar by myself where I was like, look at this. And it was just like a picture of his fucking naked wife on there.

It's like, what is happening? They're just, he's proud of her. I know. You just met me. Yeah. I don't know. I would have met, knowing what we know about the seedier side of British life, some dudes are into it.

Yeah. I get it. I get it. Wink, wink. That's great. Cool. Nudge, nudge. No domain.

No domain. You want to bang around? You know, because he's probably, it's probably a cuck thing. Yeah. He probably wants you to have sex with his wife. Yeah. He does. He's like a cuck.

What a nightmare audience member he is. Again. He is, a entrepreneur. Entrepreneur. Yeah. And it's, I think a difference between cuck and voyeur, because I think cuck, you need to be in the room. Yeah, go on.

Yeah. Get her, Rodney. Or it's just like the other one is like, yeah. The other one's be, you're peering through a hole in the wall. Yeah. You like the Riddler in the beginning of the Batman. Yeah. Voyeur.

Around the time that Rena returned, Fred kidnapped a young woman named Mary Bastum from a bus stop and killed her, although we don't know how or where. Fred admitted this one to his son Steven after his arrest. But since Mary's body was not found in any of Fred's gravesites, we can assume there were more locations that he didn't give up to investigators. Do you think he straight up forgot? Because he just killed so many effing people? Definitely, absolutely. As it was around this time, Fred West met his second wife. How does he keep on getting f***ing women? I'm just so mad.

Oh man. Alright, so this is the one. Oh yeah. That would be his future partner in crime, then known as Rosemary Letts. Now much like much Markle, the town where Rosemary was raised was small and isolated, a place called Northam. But like Fred West, Rosemary came from a background that we could describe lightly as trouble. Yeah, I think that's the lightest way. And Rosemary was, again putting it lightly, royally f***ed by circumstances beyond her control before she even came out of the womb.

See Rosemary's mother, who was coincidentally also named Daisy. I just don't understand. What the f*** is going on? They're all cartoon rabbits. But they're all horrible people and they're named after very nice things such as flowers. That's why it's like, you should believe them because the local constable, Mr. Shits, was one of the nicest, most decent men. Cow pie. Well Daisy, Rosemary's mom, she suffered from postpartum depression after her fourth child and was prescribed a healthy dose of early 50s electroconvulsive therapy.

Oh, that's not going to get the job done. And that was back when the doses were powerful enough to shatter teeth if you didn't put it in the mouth guard. But when Daisy got pregnant with Rosemary, the doctors insisted that the treatments continued. Yeah, man, they were like literally, let's microwave it. Why? Therefore, Fubb they thought, hey, no, with her in... Injulation? She thinks she's crazy now?

Well, she's got a tadpole swimming up in that f***ing guidance. Yeah, well, that's what they said is that she had postpartum depression, but then once she got pregnant again And the depression didn't go away mid-partum depression. She had part of depression. Yeah, whatever So they had to treat it. They gave her six Electroconvulsive therapy sessions while she was pregnant with Rosemary. Do you know the doctors had to look at each other? They'd be like, you know, we're doing this all wrong, right? Yeah, like yeah, just go with it Well, there's this is the early 50s man This is like the fucking Wild West of psychiatry treatments here

Like this is when they're doing all kinds of horrible shit. And so Daisy was subjected to extreme ECT right up until Rosemary was born to the point where Daisy came home from the birth with a head still shaved from treatments As a result Rosemary's brain was fried and jostled in utero when the most complex parts of her brain were being developed Those that regulated empathy and conscience Does it go through the whole body or does it just go through the head? Isn't that why you have the sensors because then it just goes through your brain? Side stories LP ot l a gmail.com. I'm not quite certain. Yeah, I would imagine it was probably I don't know if her brain was Yeah, and I don't know her brain was actually fried, but it was probably more just with the extreme convulsions that came Probably fucked her up. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah. No now in another household Rosemary might have just grown up to be an

unfortunate dullard at most Hmm, but the let's household was one of monsters and Rosemary's psyche was scrambled even further When Rosemary was just a baby for example She'd rock back and forth so hard in her carriage that the break had to be on at all times Lest the carriage work its way across the room this habit would continue well into her childhood to the point where she'd keep her Siblings awake all night with her constant rocking. This has seen a lot with kids that have suffered from trauma Yeah, it is that it's such a common symptom. Yeah, something's wrong. Yeah. Yeah, it reminds me of the Russian orphanage footage It's just rocking themselves to sleep and brutal stuff. No, that's definitely a sign of abuse Rose was also not there mentally

It said that her large doll-like eyes were constantly vacant which caused her siblings to call her Dosey Rosie As such she spent most of her time alone accompanied only by her six pet hamsters. Yeah, that's not alone Yeah, you'd be surprised how alone you could be with six hamsters. You can't be alone. Have fun with the hamsters talk to him I mean, that's like action figures for the time Yeah, you know, I did is I put a bit of a tree skeet on my front flap and they went right in I bet you they did Rosie does it. Oh, he's trying to point and scratch, you know, try to try to calm them down Well, let's leave the gerbils alone. All right, but what scrambled Rosemary

Irrevocably was the behavior of her father Bill Letts. Bill was diagnosed as a schizophrenic at an early age Who suffered severe psychotic episodes, but that was a secret he kept from his family I just feel like it's the thing they didn't he didn't know, you know, because Because it was there they just didn't know that he was seeing them as devils It's like when Joba Chamberlain used to go to the poor house Oh, yeah, make me a long island because then they don't know it's Well, Bill let's he had an early 20th century diagnosis of schizophrenia, okay, which mean that was a catch-all term It could have been bipolar could have been extreme OCD

We probably could be borderline could be fucking anything But no matter the diagnosis Bill Letts was still an incredibly cruel man He would throw his children against walls beat them with copper poles and pour boiling water over their skin Whenever they stepped outside of his exacting standards of absolute obedience and cleanliness because it's weird is that they had the the Pathological opposite of Fred West growing up. Yeah, they were super clean It was clean to the point of madness that children were not allowed to sleep. They were kept up cleaning They were they were inspected every morning. It was very very intense weird some mommy dearest stuff

Yeah, that harsh treatment though would not extend to Rosemary while every other Letts child lived in mortal fear of their father If they didn't do what they were told Rosemary would whine until someone else did her chores and Bill simply found that funny Well, it's a smart move No, no, she wasn't she was I think like third or something. I mean there was it was another one of those But it was different kissal. It wasn't good. No, no, it's a good thing to do my brothers I didn't talk until I was four. That's so scary. My dad didn't talk till he was five. Yeah, what brothers helped him out Probably no, I don't think it's a sister. There we go. Help help That's bad. Oh, yes, because you're the oldest Jackie. I'm a middle

Because I guess that's right. You are the middle, but Jackie I guarantee you unbeknownst to you She had you working for her for years. She never shut up. Oh well Well, most likely Bill spared Rosemary because it was rumored that he was in fact a pedophile. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, now you're frowning Yeah, this whole story is disgusting. Yeah, it's you know, it's UK. Yeah, it's not the UK I can't wait to go. Dr. Who's there. Hi, Dr. Who. Can we do the episode on Dr. Who next week? Yeah, can I talk about why David Tennant is the superior, Dr. Who. Oh wow, he's just getting a far more and plus an episode than anything we've said so far. That's the thing. Yeah But even though everyone suspected that Bill Letts was a pedo as they call it over there He was still allowed to open a rock and roll youth club for local teenagers. Geez, even though he hated kids

I feel like anybody who opens up a rock and roll youth club for teenagers is a pedophile, right? Well, you know Yeah, yes, why not? Yes, why not? You just want to make a room where kids go dance. Well, how do you make money? They don't have money. They have no money. I just feel like it's a predator's place. Yes cover charges Sodas Yeah, but in England there were these places that were set up and they were fine A lot of kids a lot of kids went to these places not all of them. There were some that were definitely yes We also a lot of them were combos because again, I just found that the people I were looking for it's Dukes and Lee They're called the greatest cabaret duo was ever graced the stage and you got to take a look at these looks just like Henry

Yeah, Dukes and Lee definitely looks that looks just like it. You know what that you know What that looks like that's always the clip that punk documentaries play when they talk about the sex Yeah, how awful British society was yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about Yeah, they showed in every fucking sex. Don't worry Johnny Rodney show every Johnny Rotten is currently mourning the death of the Queen Johnny Rotten's a professional contrarian. He's gonna say whatever is gonna piss people off. No I believe that he is a sad broken man who loves the Queen because you realize this he's about to die as well He said his favorite Ninja Turtle is Leonardo. Oh I like Leonardo

Like leader leader, nothing would get nothing would fucking get done if he wasn't around my Capability Donatella was the Condoleezza rice Of the Teenage Mutual Ninja Turtles because in a world of insanity was the one person to making sense Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, I think Raphael spent a little bit too much time in that tub I think that Raphael was deeply hurt because that fucking bitch wanted to have sex with a man She wanted him she would have sucked she would have if he wasn't a turtle Well that rock-and-roll room that Bill let's open it was a combo it was located in a room behind a pub overlooking a graveyard

Yeah, and Bill I mean he had Bill Haley in the comments tapes. He had Elvis Presley tapes tapes Yeah, he didn't arrive. Yeah tapes. Yeah tapes and you just sit over there just glaring at the few teenagers who bothered to show up Which one of your child wants to become a wave Yeah, man, I like the music around here, but you think that guy's kind of weird over there Did they always one of your children want to come into my web of deceit? I would just go buy the Elvis tapes and drink my basement I mean he bill was creepy and sour Yeah, so the club soon closed down right and they just started moving from town to town after that and the years that followed

Bill let's pulled knives and axes on his family for the slightest infractions He'd shut off the power and the gas so the family would go cold and hungry What forced them to scrub the house constantly? He even got cruel on a micro level if something came on TV that the kids wanted to watch he turned it off just to spite them Cause they wanted us. We all know those. I mean I never know any we didn't know any dads like that People who were just like like that. Yeah, I do remember when my niece was in the pep of the pig like Area of her childhood. I remember when I'd go home to my parents house It was like the television always had to be on whatever the child wanted. Yeah, and that was maddening

I don't think it needs to always be with the child. Well, it doesn't always have to be but you shouldn't just turn it off If you're not gonna watch no, if you want to watch tool time, which is the show within home improvement Obviously a great program. Yes, then you can watch it because you're the adult but also just let her watch pep of the pig Yes, of course, but that's why you got him an iPad Glenn Borland. Yep. Glenn Borland Well, meanwhile Rosemary was turning into a miniature sociopath Oh, she had a reputation as a violent lying bully who would become aggressive towards both boys and girls at the slightest Provocation and as it often happens with kids who were sexually abused Rose became hypersexual as soon as she hit puberty Became about the only thing she talked about and she was soon sexually abusing her own younger brothers by the time she was 13

That's what her and Fred West had completely in common. Yeah, they were both Well, Fred West was just Obsessed with sex. Yeah, that's all he talked about. It's all he thought about this whole life was centered around coming in within the Second he wasn't even doing it, right? He was an early ejaculator because kissle wasn't about it It wasn't about the actual act. No, no, it wasn't no They were both, you know horribly sexually abused his children and they both ended up they both ended up perpetuating the cycle of abuse to Extreme degrees the way Tiger Woods extended his father's golf game. Yes

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We absolutely love you can't wait to see on the road and get that vape put it in your brain and have a good time And if you want to set your favorite weed store, give them a call and ask for them by name last podcast on the left It's weed hail yourselves everyone. Hail Satan And by the time rose was 15 She was likely already doing sex work taking John's and the cabs of trucks from the mobile snack bar her sister ran with her Boyfriend, but around the same time Rose was waiting at a bus stop and got approached by Fred West Now it's quite possible that Fred West was planning to either rape and or kill Rosemary that night because picking up girls from bus stops would be a future MO and indeed

Rosemary later said that she was put off by his appearance because again Fred had looked like a nightmarish Gremlins since he was a baby and she's the only one in this story so far who has said that Fred is ugly Everybody else kind of has their own. There was something about him every one of these X was like there must have been something about him And it's like the only one who stayed with him forever was like I'll never locked him I'll never once lock this look. There you go match made in hell, but instead of attacking Fred began talking He and rose soon found they had a lot of superficial things in common like the fact they both had a mom named Daisy Oh, you want to have sex with babies, too And

Rose worked at a bakery. Oh and Fred. He wasn't with ice cream. He drove for a bakery. Yeah Oh Got so much in common Talk about what it's like to look at bread Well, and I'm happy it ended there all the things they hadn't come in What Fred like most about Rosemary was that she didn't flinch when he crudely and frequently talked about sex They were full of you downstairs with with my house water like it's just a hit It's not that bad. No, it's just it's fucking awful. It's very it's very disgusting

Yeah, yeah, their meeting was a sort of monstrous kismet two people who were both hypersexual and hyper violent Although Rosemary's true evil wouldn't bloom for a couple of years yet. It almost seems like they're more like the natural born killers Yeah, oh very oh way more like in terms of like two people that both love the violence And rape as much as the other. Yeah, this is a real 50-50 mix No, I honestly I don't think that you should always be into the same habits as your partner because I do think that sometimes It's nice for everyone to have their own thing There's certain things that have to bring you together Your wife just went to go light herself on fire because she wanted to learn how to do that

If you went to do that, you would still be on fire I just got so much hair on you. I tried the bomb from hot ones We mix it up Is it really that spicy I watched hell rates or I thought it'd be really fun to try it while I was like Oh, this is on brand so I'll watch hellraiser, but also you don't have to be on brand You're alone But this is how deep it goes. It's cuz it's me And so I decided to pour it onto a chip to try it while I was watching hellraiser

And I literally had a shut off hellraiser and I had to go stick. I was like I was in hell. You became a Senate bite Yes, okay Well, the thing is that I really don't think that Rosemary would have been just fine if Fred had never come into the picture Of all of these all the couple killers. I think that she she definitely she would have found a way to do it Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean, that's even though Fred was 28 Rosemary was 15 when they met I mean, I think the proof for it is that Rosemary's first murder It would involve Fred, but it would have little if anything to do with his influence as a murderer They just helped yeah, okay now after Fred and Rose started dating she brought this man 12 years her senior back home to meet her

Parents. Hey, come on. Look. Yeah. It was oh my god Oh weird Fred told them that he was a rich and successful man Oh, yeah, yeah owing to a number of Scottish investments Could not be checked up on like caravans ice cream trucks and even a hotel Wow Oh, I know gay. Oh, hey, Freddy. It's awesome to meet you. Nice to meet you. So tell me you come here So your millionaire right from another country your Scottish millionaire, which I've never met before So every Scottish millionaire that I was having sex with a mentally disabled 15-year-old I guess in this case. I know like

Mm-hmm Fred also explained away the scar on his nose from his teenage motorcycle accident Yeah, by saying that he'd been chased by a woman in Scotland and it cartoonishly fallen into an open manhole. Oh, that is funny It is. I mean, it's extremely dangerous and really painful, but it is funny It didn't happen. No, I know it didn't but even if it did it would it's it is scary But yeah, well, he said that's that's how she caught up to him and then she sliced open his face with a chain She beat him with a chain. Great. Yeah, also woman hole Now not surprisingly Bill and Daisy let's hated Fred West right and after he began encouraging Rose to engage in sex work

In his mobile home while he watched Bill and Daisy put her into a home for troubled teenagers Okay, there they forgot her never visiting or writing. Oh, yeah, they just pushed her out They were done with her. They didn't want her there in the first place They didn't want any of these kids, but then they it's all out of this kind of minute kept on having them I know the person who did right was Fred who was all too eager to continue their relationship when Rose turned 16 And can no longer be kept in a home Soon after she became pregnant and that was that for Fred and Rose. Oh, it's like a Billy Joel song my life

They eventually moved into a building in Gloucester at 25 Midland Road Leasing an apartment from a clueless Polish immigrant named Frank Zygmunt. How is he supposed to know? I don't think we need he's Polish We get it. He was trusting. Yeah, that's what the Polish. They are trusting. They're trusting people. No, they're not They're actually very very suspicious. I know they're deeply traumatized from all the years of being Polish Well, they're Fred and Rose lived with Fred's child Anna Marie and Renus child Charmaine who had both been in and out of foster care these last few years Because Fred had been in and out of jail for petty offenses, right? These kids. I mean these geese

They must if now, I guess they still wouldn't be alive. I don't know, but this isn't that long ago. No, this is this is 1970 Yeah, I mean so they could be alive, but they're not they're not well one is one is wow and one's probably in hiding No, one's dead, but no, I mean then the other one the other one has had quite a few problems. Yeah, I what? Yeah, I believe it Like it doesn't help They don't because that's what they should do. They should start a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah She's not doing well. I think she's attempted suicide many times. Oh, yeah, it's very bad very bad Okay, interesting. Well, October of 1970 Rose gave birth to her first of eight children

Wow, Heather and which should have been reported because Rose was under 18 But as it was with Fred's children who should have been flagged years before the Overwhelmed post-World War two British system failed as it would again and again in this case Soon though Fred would return to prison for three months after stealing five tires from the tire shop where he was working I mean one more than you need Seriously This left the highly volatile 17 year old Rosemary at home to look after three young children by herself. Oh my gosh

Predictably things very quickly turned ugly. Yeah, it's not the adventures in babysitting. This is real life. I know so I mean, she was the mother. She's not the babysitter. She's the mother, but she also was a Absolute budding psychopath. Yeah, one child who shared the building with Rosemary said that she saw Charmaine Standing on a kitchen chair with her hands tied by a leather belt while Rose hit her with a wooden spoon Other times the kids would show up in emergency rooms with obvious stab wounds that rose would explain away Well, at some point these doctors should have been like something seems to be wrong in that house. Yeah, all right Yeah Well as far as the condition of the flat went there was hardly any furniture and the floors were bare save for dirty clothes and a

Big pile of used diapers Oh, God, it's like Bella Lagosie's house. Yeah, it's like the visit Oh, the ghostie's house was fine. He had the little dogs though. But yeah Yeah, you never seen Edward. Yeah, but I didn't know that it was accurate to Bella Lagosie very much. Oh, yeah Oh, but at the same time Fred kept a connection to Rose from prison by writing dirty letters and one he wrote quote Tell my darling wife Rose. Darling be at home Tuesday for your tape. Well Darling be at home Tuesday for your tape when we be at common. So be at home all day Until they come it will be the morning if they do come then come see me

But don't come till they come darling. I'll write a dirty letter. I spilled some spaghetti sauce and didn't clean it up So something we often say about killer couples is that their specific mixture was what turned them into murderers For example, neither Carla Hamoka nor Paul Bernardo were likely to be murderers had they never met I still think Paul Bernardo would have escalated to serial killing. It's possible, but not definite It's not like he's playing handball. Yeah, no that a dot serial rapist Yeah, but on the other side we know that Carol Ann Fugit would have never even come close to a murder Had it not been for Charles Stark weather, right? But what made Fred and Rose West so nefarious is that both committed murder without the influence of the other and both

Would have been murderers no matter what case in point Rosemary committed her first murder while Fred was in prison And to make matters worse the murder was that of a child. This is why it's actually the case is specifically I you know, haha, maybe it's bad to say interesting, but it is that Like cuz truly very rarely do you see the female of the couple in these types of these scenarios be an aggressor as well Yeah, I mean, that's why people joke about OJ and in Casey Anthony fighting love and Florida together Yeah, because it seems like they could complete a circle. Yeah, well, I mean Carla Hamoka was the aggressor Yeah, I mean she was very much the aggressor Yeah, but Rose it but Rose West began as the aggressor. She was the aggressor. She was coming into it as the coming

Yeah, okay, and the day after Rosemary visited Fred in prison with Annamarie and Charmaine in tow Rosemary either stabbed or beat Charmaine to death Jesus and she put the corpse in her building cellar amongst the coal until Fred was released from prison Upon that release Rose told Fred that she'd killed Charmaine and Fred most likely told Rose about the murders that he'd committed Or at the very least he told her about one of the murders. Huh, it's so funny that you said that That's so weird. I've actually been meaning to tell you something. It's really wild Like that's the thing is that she kind of came home and she put him in the ridge and she was like I just bent on how you came your expect from prison in all that

But I've made a bit of a mess in the cellar and then they go down there and he looks at me. He's like game it rose well Welcome to the family. He's like, it's just so excited. They immediately like we're like, oh my god It was like a meet cute Like honey, I just have to tell you I saw I have a little bit of a bondage fetish and the guy just like pulls on a mask Oh, so why I got a cork up my ass right now. Wow, this is much different than that. Yeah I mean with that they had a shared secret Oh gosh bonded them together in a matrimony of evil that would last another 15 years

Oh a shared secret can also just be like, I don't know some a lot more fun than that like you like pineapple on your pizza Mm-hmm. Love pineapple on my pizza. And so does my wife exactly shared secret Shared secrets now almost nonchalantly Fred buried Charmaine in the yard near the back door Then concealed the remains further by later putting the foundation of an extension to the building on top of the grave But even though Fred didn't completely dismember the body as he did all the others He still took the fingers toes kneecaps and parts of the wrists and ankles for his private collection Which to this day has never been found and what's interesting about that is that yeah We say they're trophies, but he didn't kill that one

Yeah, I think that he I it also just could be habitual. Yeah, it's just like a thing He started doing like I just like it. He might just like it I mean, what if they literally were turned into other things and they're just out in someone's living room right now? It's very possible now after the murder Rose briefly left Fred and came back just in time for the return of Fred's actual wife Rina who was coming back to Gloucester to see if she could finally take permanent hold of her two children Now Rina immediately discovered that Charmaine was nowhere to be found and after a panic Fred agreed to take Rina to see her child, which is the think about the euphemism of that I've been like, oh, you want to see Charmaine? I'll show you Charmaine. You want to go visit Charmaine right now?

Oh, that's not good. Yeah, instead Fred killed her in his car by inserting a length of chromium tubing down her throat Oh God after killing her Fred took the corpse back to 25 Midland Road And this is his wife but not only his wife, but the mother of his child Right dismember the body removing the legs at the hip and keeping the left kneecap along with 35 finger and toe bones The remains were then stuffed in bags and buried at finger postfield near the burial site of anemic fault because that was where he grew up I was I was reading about this too and the reason why he'd go there is because again The simple country life That's where the no one was. He'd go out there no one knew it and even like and because he was from there

He literally like rolled in the muck of those hills. He just went back to the same places That he went to as a child and he was like he would dig like they talked about this even in his way He talked about it. It was like he'd go be visiting the memories of his parents as he's digging grave To put these people and just been like, you know, he's just no place like I know there really isn't And just as it was with anemic fall, nobody reported the disappearance of rena castello and suspicion wouldn't fall on fredwest For another 13 years All right Likewise because rena was dead

Nobody missed charmaine and that murder went uninvestigated as well But just a few months after rose turned 18 She married fredwest and just a few months after that fred and rose moved into 25 Cromwell street the so-called house of horrors that would play host to some of the worst known murders in british history And that's where we'll pick back up for the conclusion of the tale of fred and rose west Now go ahead and say right now that it's going to be gold star territory from beginning to end I would say next week Get yourself a poncho

These episodes are going to only get worse this episode next but we'll only do one more if it's like it only gets worse All right, but and this has been pretty fucking awful. It's been really awful so far It's been one of the worst we've done in a long time, but the next one that's it's kind of old school in a way Oh, yeah, that's why next week though all of the new information to come out which is about Rose west of myra hindley's lesbian relationship in jail is fascinating as well. So I can't wait All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening. We are excited to see you in europe very very So you're coming to europe and what you are going to see all the sites we will show you They're gonna show us

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I think that's basically it. I want to say thank you to everybody who came out to see the beacon show that we have just performed Yes, yes, it was fantastic. It was very fun. I can't wait. Henry's your new butthole man. It's just super I tell you what and once the doctors assemble it all back together I will be able to do it again reliably All right, everyone. Hail yourselves. Hail satan, haguin, magusta, le shunt I'll remind everybody the satanism says to not do anything towards children Absolutely. So these guys are not remotely satan. No, no, I don't think anyone said that they were they're british You just see how many times people call them like devils and stuff and a lot of times devils are just kind of misunderstood

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