Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 514: Jack Parsons Part III - Becky Does Babylon

Episode Date: December 3, 2022

This week the boys reach part three in the story of Jack Parsons, as Jack's rituals intensify, his new lifestyle begins to backfire, finding himself fighting for his wife's attention in a love triangle with the notorious founder of Scientology himself, L. Ron Hubbard.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started All right, ladies and gentlemen, are we ready to go now we're gonna ladies and gentlemen Before we begin today's episode what I need from you It's the loosen that bell buckle all right number one because about to get a little bit freaky and this is a no pants zone Right Marcus. Yo, man. I'm down with you. Yes. I'll keep your pants on. I'm gonna keep my pants Spiritually imagine no pants. All right. I could do that. So it's cold, man It is a little cold. It's chilly in LA

But guys remember if you want to fucking understand that Jack Parsons vibe then you need to become one with the sorcerers Grimba hit up the lima jazz music man. All right, cuz this is good layer then This is the music they would have sex to Suicide phone It's not a sousaphone a sousaphone's a tuba Instead of a snake charmer something a gerbil charmer would listen to it's up

Lady charmer dog because you can't see man. You got one skinny guy with that long hair And he's in front of this robe open just saying come to come to me lady of Babylon And then you just got that lie the other woman who's just in from out of town And she doesn't know that she's the gonna be the subject to a moon child like ceremony She doesn't know literally is just visiting so Cal This sounds like I could trigger someone's Crohn's disease. This is Crohn's disease Crohn the witch it within the hot respect her Welcome to last podcast of the left everyone

And now Jazzy Henry Zabrowski that gets me in the mood to have a five-car pile up I don't know what mood I'm supposed to be in but I mean it you need to spend some time alone with it Yeah, it's a grand bond the album's called holy magic. It's really fucking cool. It reminds me a moon dog It is actually Legitimately good. It's a legitimately good album that fucking out that album goes like a hundred bucks on discogs Take it from Marcus. He also has a record that is just the sounds of planes taking off and landing X-15 experimental sounds I know what growly teaches us at the very top, right? So we got a stripped down all these layers of meaning to get down to the come and that's what he's talking about

Is the come of this cog? That's what this is. It is it fills the cup with its practitioner seed It does sound like a record needle just combing through come All right, everyone. I'm gonna love this episode. I can't wait. We are on to Jack Parsons part three So when we last left jack Parsons He'd sold his shares in the jet propulsion laboratory the jpl If you'll remember was the company Parsons helped found with the suicide squad and eventually that company would manufacture everything From the lunar and Mars landers to the Voyager one and two spacecraft. Yeah, man I actually did see a tiktok recently. It was pretty compelling basically saying the Challenger explosion never happened

Do your own research to that teacher No, no, no, she's safe and alive. Is that right? Oh, yeah I said it was a series of pictures of the people that were inside of the Challenger shuttle, right? And it showed them now what they are now because they were all their deaths were faked, right? It was done to try to proffer more funds into the nasa space program, which worked the exact what no I don't think I think I think it completely destroyed the public's faith in the space shuttle. That's why we have a private contract with tesla We mono tesla. No, it's fake. It's not real. They're all the old died tragically. Awesome Well, well, it wouldn't necessarily be fair to say that jack Parsons was throwing away his professional career because he did later attempt to return to

Rocketry He was certainly taking a big risk and getting out of the rocket game just when it was finally being taken seriously Although I think that was part of the reason why he got out. Did you have a gambling addiction? Was his father shot on the side of the road? Oh, Michael Jordan, it was a distraction for him in the finals This is something different because I do believe that jack Parsons He had a stripe in him. That was a pacifist And there we joke a little bit a lot like thing last time about kind of like, you know It kind of came up like did he care or not?

And it seemed he had this sort of laissez-faire attitude about the munitions world for a period of time as he did about everything But then for a while, I think he was getting bummed out that his work was getting used to blow people up Yeah, for a while he was it did seem like he was like into the science part of it And he'd ignore the social aspect of where it all went to but according to his own writings. He did not enjoy Basically helping what he called his so-called slavery mindset of the working class by helping us all into this giant military industrial complex That he was an intrinsic model Yeah, and the thing is he wasn't the only one that was bummed out like the atomic bomb Really fucked with a lot of rocket scientists heads very much. I believe it man

Yeah, because they're aiding and abetting the destruction of all mankind. Yeah, that would like be like, oh what a day Man, like if you work at like McDonald's you'd be like, I didn't get that big mic out on time And I got a milkshake thrown at me, but like the other one is just like everyone's dead Everyone's vaporized But the risk was especially large because jack was putting the brakes on a highly profitable career So he could switch his focus Completely to magic and of course live the groovy lifestyle that went along with the practice dad. I'm dropping out of med school I'm gonna be a comedian

Most of the time dads get mad is because they're jealous Because they wanted to be comedians because it's like my fucking my father was a little bit like So when you say most of the time you're talking specifically about you and your father. I am me. I am you. We are all we but together We are us Yeah, I'll get you man. I watch a lot of lrh You got me see about 1945 the mansion jack parson's owned in pasadena affectionately known as the parsonage Was home to about 20 bohemians occultists and scientists

Oh Have a good time a lot of incense. I mean these guys were all living Especially unconventional lives considering how this was post world war two america. This is 1945 In sex and rock is I actually got a really interesting take on that was that they thought that after world war two everybody there was like an undercurrent of Maybe i'm wrong, but it was an interesting take. There's an undercurrent of like everyone was super horny Because the boys were over in the war right and they were only sucking each other's penises and up for a while That gets boring because they're bad at it

Private gregson. He's his heart's not in it. He's just sucking italy. Yeah, he's scared But they're also the women were super horny because the men were all gone and they again They were all working Well, some of them especially especially waves which we'll get into more so unfortunately next episode, but you'll say yo It's worth it. It's worth it. We're getting into it on this episode. Oh, yeah I think post war sex is probably the greatest sex you can have you both survive. You're both massively traumatized Oh, I mean, I bet you you can have some incredible orgasms I think that's where all of this came from. It was a bunch of gush needon people that like, you know, they all were working

None none of these people were in combat. None of them, sir But when you hear it when you hear it though when I survived rock war one in 93 and I rock war two from 2003 to 2020 We as a people were in that war for 20 years. All right. Yeah, I watched bush get oh Kanye He read him to filth back in the day and I remember that All right, so first of all his life's weird in addition Wilford Smith the man Alistair Crowley had tried to trick into tattooing 666 on his forehead

That guy had returned to the parsonage with jack's first wife Helen because remember they both ran off together And after jack and Helen officially got divorced Wilford Smith and Helen moved back into the parsonage He's this is this whole polyamory like world where everybody's cool with everybody and it does take a lot of work But we see jack parson's did begin to struggle. Yeah, really difficult to turn away from human nature in that sense Sometimes well, that is all to say jack parson's was in a weird vulnerable Transitory place in 1945 and it was during this emotional state that parson's began practicing magic with one of the Worst people in history to be around if you're feeling vulnerable We gotta have some kind of intro music. We have to have that like what they used to do for don Rickles

Oh, yeah, we'll get the gong from the undertaker That person was L Ron Hubbard founder of the church of Scientology Now if you remember from our L Ron Hubbard series, we did cover this relationship from his Kind of perspective, which was that jack parson's was another speed bump on his way to true herodom And godlike status right that jack parson's was just a dude. He sucked up and spit out But now we're seeing how jack was affected and what it's like when you meet a young You know, imagine what it was like when you when you met me for the first time. I remember that You meet this dynamic

Kind of like who's that sex? He's obviously full of sex. Oh, he doesn't fucking write and think and amaze He's a story spinner. Everybody's jealous of the style Right. Yeah, sure. He was a fucking war hero in name only but guess what? That's the best way to be because then you don't have all those sad real stories After the fact all the all the baggage. Yeah, like you made up all the sketches and stuff like that. Just like that. Yeah Now in 1945 Elron Hubbard was just another science fiction writer spending time in Los Angeles He was mostly living off the disability. He'd scam from the government following his ignoble career in the navy But Elron was actually doing fairly well in the sci-fi game

Because he'd moved on from westerns with oddly homoerotic names like uh, rightum cowboy. That's just what they do I remember that Buck skin brigade. I remember that just a group of leather clad boys that are Hard dusted from the road and yeah, they're a bit thirsty for each other when it comes down to it It's hard when you only have horses for company. Well, do you want your garage built or not? You gotta call them And do you remember? Hot lead payoff I actually don't remember that one. I remember a warm goo payoff

Yeah Well Elron was a member of the Los Angeles science fantasy society Which is a group of sci-fi writers who regularly gathered for meetings at the cafeteria We mentioned last episode and these meetings were also regularly attended by jack parson's See parson's was certainly a big sci-fi fan and he was what you'd call a good hang to boot Everybody said vibes were immaculate when you hung out with jack parson's you were gonna have a good time because he wasn't a bummer to be around He was a fun guy. He was so he was like that. He was and it just so happened to be hot people kind of attacked Themselves to him. Oh, it's like us. Yeah, that's kind of cool

Yeah, so I think it's fun that you're putting Elron Hubbard in the hot people category According to Henry is you can just see the cooks before these nerds come and be like Did you make the extra jello or not? Because if they don't get their jello, they only they only eat food they can manipulate And jack he loved I need a food that's between states I'm Robert Heinlein and he's honestly a difficult man. Robert Heinlein was a person. They're all difficult men Yeah, is Isaac Asimov like a good hang? No I don't think so. He was a miserable fuck. He just seemed like he was really thinking about the future when sometimes you need to think about the present

That's right. Absolutely. Well jack loved attending these meetings because the writers took jack seriously And jack was loved in turn because he was one of the few scientists who saw sci-fi as a source of inspiration All the rest of them looked at as kid stuff. Yeah. Now as far as jack Parsons and Elron Hubbard went It's hard to say who was attracted to who first Or if Hubbard immediately saw Parsons as a mark who could be sucked dry of all his knowledge and money Well, I'll pause it a little bit of Occam's razor here. I think that he needed a place to stay And that he was running scams all over town and with the government And then he got an opportunity to stay at jack Parsons house

And I do think that again Jack Parsons saw him and was like this guy's funny I do think there's a little bit of that and everybody else. So we waiver we waiver between Elron, right? Is he full of shit? Do we I mean Because I appreciate his tactics. I appreciate his energy his style I want the boat because a harm in some ways now it is Yeah, because David Miskovich actually did it poorly, but we'll get into that when we do the David Miskovich episodes later on Yes, absolutely. Um, but I feel like there's a little bit of the thing about magicians, especially jack Parsons ilk

I think that you can see that this guy's full of shit But you could also be like this guy's hilarious and that there's a little bit of that We're like, this is a fun guy to have in the room. Yeah. Well, what they said about Elron Hubbard at the time is that when you met him You were either immediately repulsed Sure, or which was a word they used a lot in relation to Elron Hubbard. Yeah, some people don't like peanut butter. I'm looking at you, UK Absolutely, they do like peanut butter in the UK. Yeah, they learned. Yeah, we forced it. Yeah You were either repulsed or you quickly fell under his charm and Parsons, of course was charmed saying that he recognized Hubbard immediately As a man possessing great magical skill, which is a statement. I wholeheartedly agree with sure

Oh, yeah, he was a very charming man. I mean again, you're amongst it. Yeah. Well, no, I'm not talking about the charming He's I don't think he was a charming man, but he was a fantastic. He did have a fantastic magical mind Oh, yes, because again, anybody you could make up your entire past Which is what every single one of the great magicians of all history have ever done, which is you get rid of all that boring shit a hole in a I was in Montana, but you get rid of all that shit and you pave it all over with what your version of history is and yes, some people call it lying Some people also call it world building Okay

In addition, Elron Hubbard was the only sci-fi writer at these meetings who had also studied the works of Alistair Crowley And he already had a deep understanding of the material in the same way Parsons did Basically, it's like finding someone who likes your favorite band just as much as you do And for all the same reasons. Oh my god, you like the glorp brothers, too. I can't believe it. They're so incredible their song going glorping All the time the album going glorp. I know The difference though was that while Parsons was a true believer who just wanted to make something happen Hubbard was more cynical and looked at magic as just another resource to extract and use no matter the consequence

Put another way Parsons used magic like you might use solar power Hmm Elron Hubbard used it more like fracking. It's because gas is clean LRH it is kind of fun being like what police department's gonna sink next But he said I feel like it was a gradual process in a way We'll go as we go through their relationship I think that on LRH's The behalf because he was already cooking up Excalibur. Remember he had always seeked the book that would kill you Like the book that you would say like oh, you can't see my secret manuscript

So he was already kind of like in that world and wanting to be in that world And it wasn't until like he saw the actual paperwork of the otl where he was just like There's my shit like Yeah, it's like he finally kind of saw like little pieces at this time. He'd already done the affirmations No, the affirmations. Well, I want to get to that because it's after all of this Okay, I'm just happy that LRH Hubbard didn't do what people magazine did when they were like the man of the year or person of the year And it was just a fake mirror because we were all the person of the year because I could totally see him thinking like what at the end It's not Xenu. It's you

But that's kissle. Yeah, you fucking asshole correct You can stumbled into magical knowledge, which is the whole thing. That's the nth level Like we'll go again. I want to talk about it more, but like Crowley kind of like hints at this whole thing at the very Wait, I'm gonna wait. Yeah, you basically just said you are your own god But that's the thing is that it takes you a long time to understand what it means to be your own god It takes a lot of money that you have to give to LRH Hubbard But no, this is the difference between Scientology and ritual magic where Scientology is a never-ending source of Psychological and spiritual DLCs where the fucking magic like all the magic world

It's supposed to release you up and out like it is you're supposed to end it Knowing at the very end we'll get it. Well. Ah All right, your brain's about to explode now when Hubbard moved into the Parsons mansion in 1945 He was only three years older than jack and true to form everyone in the house was either repulsed or charmed by good all wrong Parsons, of course, he just looks like you. That's it. That's the only thing you share in common. I'm just so happy. You don't look like Adolf Hitler Horrible haircut. That's my main right truly Parsons, of course wanted everyone to like Hubbard And he even wrote gushing letters of praise about his new friend Here's an excerpt from one of those letters

He is a gentleman red hair green eyes honest and intelligent and we have become great friends Although he has no formal training in magic. He has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field He is the most the lemak person I have ever Met and I have eaten my own cum Wow and is in complete accord with our own principles. All right. Well, there you go. He's the lemak don't cut him He'll bleed forever What does he mean by he's the most the lemak person he's ever met? All right. Well, we can look some packet for a little bit because I on some level

Uh, I love our thelomites. All right. No, you know judgment, right love our thelomites Um, you guys are you guys are in a tense bunch, right? And it's very difficult to get together in a group because each one of you is a star and I think that's great But it also tends you guys all fight Literally constantly about what everything means, which is an important aspect of Crowley's work You're supposed to adjudicate it, right? But when he means by the lemak, I think is that when he met this dude straight up One of the great barriers to magical ritual like and this is just the truth

Is that you have to be able to have a certain amount of patience with looking like a moron Yeah, while doing you got to put a hat on you got to wear a robe You got to do the like ios son of gabriel you got to do these like hand motions You got to do all of this shit and that's actually pretty much the major barrier to entry at the very very top That's how you know whether or not you're a quote-unquote neophyte or not Is if you are naturally inclined to be into the material There are people that are just not into it obviously because the whole point is that it's supposed to look kind of like dumb And crazy and and labyrinthian like why would I want to be with all these people jerking off into a cup?

Look at your face. Yeah, well it sounds like you're an air traffic controller for a bunch of you know morons Yeah, a bunch of like like but horny nerds, right? But when he met lrh he was just like I don't need to massage this guy at all Like I don't have to like because there was a little bit of jack Parsons What would probably liked about Parsons and the agape lounge is that he's like all right? Maybe this guy's gonna make us cool again in a way like he's gonna kind of put us on the map and the money in the month Yes, yes, obviously, but a lot of it's also like he runs in these cool circles. He's in the science world

He's got these like actors and and performers and all the shit and like maybe he'll like help make us kind of cool He'll like bump us up. Yeah, he hangs out with sci-fi writers. He's gonna be the coolest guy around Magicians are at the time at the bottom rung Of what anybody remotely thinks is interesting, right? Right? It's still to this day that holds Maybe not the bottom rung any longer. It's close That didn't tell her people like them but lrh shows up and he doesn't need all the trappings He doesn't need like jack Parsons would kind of sell people on kind of like the group sex Expect and like kind of the kind of bohemian atmosphere that's that's happening in his house

Where lrh while you immediately he acted as if he wasn't but he definitely was way into how much snooch he could do It's right. He wanted it all because again, I understand but he didn't need to be buttered up He was immediately ready and talk about if there was one person in this life that you could definitely show Was acting quote-unquote according to his own will It was lrh because he simply did not give a fuck about any other singular human being that existed Which is to me honestly a very Uh, what do you put it? It's a very superficial Like version of thulema that most people would argue with which is why jack Parsons got trapped because he was a vulnerable true student

And then he met a dude as we said before who had one foot outside of the circle Famed interest played to jack Parsons vulnerability and wormed his way right into the center of the lodge And then tore the part brick by brick so by your logic the greatest magician of our time At least in the past 15 years is kacy anthony It's really important that never ever once not lie yeah, yeah. You can't get away out of a search history What is this strange box? That's how you do it. Is it you hit yourself with a hammer?

What is this? It's a magic box. There's witches in this machine. What? It's called Firefox. Look it up. I know. Well, before L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons were magical partners, they were first,

in essence, two roommates who did weird shit together. That's how we started this whole show. Sure. For example, Hubbard and Parsons would fence in the living room. And stranger and a strange land author, Robert Heinlein, would join in sometimes as well. This is jaunty. No, that's cool. It is just like Adam's family.

But it was during these fencing sessions that Sarah Northrup, the little sister of Parsons' first wife, and Jack Parsons' main squeeze at the time, she started to fall in love with the ruddy, wide-faced redhead tripping over the rugs while he fenced. He did fall down some, but it was more about his leaps and his parries. Yes. Okay. During one session in which Sarah was on the edge of her seat with horniness for L. Ron Hubbard, for God knows what reason.

You'll sleep on. You'll sleep on. I don't know. I guess I do understand that my quote-unquote ironic love of LRH has now kind of, it is becoming real, and I do want to be. Yeah, it's been real for a long time. Yeah, a really long time, especially when you put quotes around ironic. But I feel like that helps me.

It helps me from sliding all the way into the hole, right? Yeah. But y'all sleep on the tiny, funny, fat little reds. Y'all sleep. Yeah, you talls, you skinnies. You're like, oh, you won't fucking, oh, he can't do nothing. He can't steal my girl, right? He can't take my out.

My girl, right? Because I'm big, right? You never know, because none of you are looking down. All it takes is fucking LRH. She sneaks around the other side all of a sudden. He's, he's at pussy height. Right. Right.

So he just like, he just has to go, just like stick his nose into the cleft. And now you're done, y'all, because you already found that clip. He sniffed it out. Yeah. It's definitely one of those where you have to judge the woman. I don't know what's going on. Well, Parsons noticed that Sarah was paying pretty close attention. So he handed his fencing foil to his girlfriend.

Oh, wow. Immediately she attacked Hubbard with such fierceness and passion that one spectator thought that she might kill him. Hubbard, however, composed himself and wrapped Sarah across the news with his foil. Haha, gotcha there. And that was only the beginning of a flirtation that would eventually turn into a relationship. Wow. And that relationship would eventually destroy Jack Parsons emotionally and financially.

Fantastic. Now, of course, OTO doctrine says that romantic jealousy should not be a part of anyone's life. Ever. Did you feel in jealous? Did you not read point number seven? That is literally what they do. Point number seven is that you're supposed to strip yourselves of these. They're just these feelings are just so huge. The things that are just like baked in.

No, no, no, no, there's really fucking slugs hanging out in the ocean. Yeah. Okay. Because even penguins get jealous. Yeah, they can be suicide. They get pissed. Yeah. And that jealous, no jealousy rule that went double in a large situation.

Sure. But there is still a matter of tact when it comes to things like this. And Hubbard pushed Parsons buttons as much as he possibly could. I thought you said that this was chill. I thought you said that this was cool. Do you want her back after I got my slug trail all over? You're so cruel. We're all just clams, baby.

You are disgusting. Come on. No, I don't want to. I was watching that. They're the only recorded interview with LRH and you just like good Lord would have been like to be when then five inches of that mouth, like imagine getting close. Yeah, that's a wet mouth. That's the inside of a whale's mouth.

Eat a bunch of raw fish. Although tuna. I just bite in the side of it. He does look like the penguin. He does. Yeah. Well, most egregiously, once Sarah and Elron Hubbard's sexual relationship began in the house out in the open, you know, like they're laughing too hard together.

Grabbing each other's knees and being jealous. It's just like you're getting butt juice all over the couch. Yeah. You just have to not. It's just about being nice. It's about being attacked. It's about being attacked. We're just roommates here.

I'm not jealous. Just like, why am I watching it? He was jealous. Okay. He was jealous. He was getting jealous. But Ben, I get your point because Hubbard started making out with Sarah right in front of Jack.

Yeah, baby. And he opened up the shell and you see the little foot and he do it at dinner. And before dinner was like a frivolous affair. Everyone's hanging out while talking magic. And then it turned after he started making out with it turned real tense. Well, that didn't even, that's not about jealousy. That is, that's just what we're trying to eat fucking dinner here. I thought you said that everything's chill and then we share everything together.

You're the one who's sad that we can't be a pure will if we are burdened by all these human feelings. I mean, my parents bought me a Game Boy when I was a kid. But if I even thought about bringing motor across to fucking dinner, that would be a beating. But even though there were plenty of bad feelings between Parsons and Hubbard personally, Parsons recognized or perhaps was tricked into thinking that Hubbard was a valuable ally in his magical pursuits.

He was doing a very classic thing. He was doing a very classic like breaking your personal rules. There's something about in the cult leader. This is not, I think, the real difference between a cult leader and whatever Jack Parsons was trying to be as sort of like a lodge captain, right? Like the lodge dude in these scenarios and magic ritual worlds, he's supposed to kind of like pass the ball around. Yeah.

He's like the manager of a rental house. Yes, kind of. Yes. He's supposed to maintain, but mostly just kind of oversee. And then yes, he helps decide who pursues up the grades. But for the most part, it's an ongoing conversation. Think of him as the guy who has his name on the lease. Yes.

Yeah. Like who does Crowley get mad at Parsons, but everybody else thinks that he's in charge. You know what I mean? But he also gets all the plus of the additions. But so I think LRH did this thing where, this is where cult leaders really do, where they step past your personal boundaries. And then you say like, you said this is cool. You said this is cool.

And he's fucking with your boundaries and fucking with your boundaries. And for a while, because you're wondering like, oh, we set up all these rules and I thought that everything was going to be like, I thought it was going to go one way. And then all of a sudden I'm feeling jealous and he's fucking with me all the time. But then LRH switches all around me like, and that was the lesson I was trying to teach you all along, is that we need to discard all of these things. I'm helping you in your processes of stripping all of these feelings down. And what he does is that, so what that does is like, you didn't all of a sudden feel

immediate closeness to him. Because now he's saying, I'm doing this for your own good. It's an abusive relationship. Yes. Yeah. Oh, he's a cult leader. That's the difference. And he's also so charismatic.

These people and all these people, they're so charismatic that you desperately want them to like you. Now, concerning the subject of Jack's pursuits, Parsons was bucking out Alistair Crowley's advice during this time period. See, Crowley thought of magic as a discipline designed to help and mental and mystical development, essentially a very complicated thought exercise, while Jack Parsons believed that it was actually real. And Parsons wasn't the only one around the Parsonage who believed in the practical power of magic.

Around this time, Parsons began engaging in serious magical rituals outside of the OTO with the help of his childhood friend and fellow rocket scientist, Ed Foreman. Ed Foreman. Yeah, I like to masturbate into a cup. It's for the goddess, baby. It's very close to Red Foreman, which is the dad on that 70s show. Oh, wow. Wow.

One of his actual relationships. That'd be interesting. No, it's a made up character. It's interesting. It's interesting. But so Alistair Crowley actually has a definition for magic. He says that it's the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will. Right.

So he has his idea and he calls himself a scientist of magic. But that's what we were saying at the very end. Xenu is inside you all along. What he at the very end of the thalemic, like from what I understand, obviously, I'm no longer in the business of trying to fully decipher these works, because it does take all like you need a teacher and you need to decide that they're real or not. All that fucking shit. But Crowley, the very, very end of his life.

And at the very end of all of his magical works, he comes back full circle to be basically where it's just like, and here's a reminder, all of this is about personal development. None of it. Like he's not saying that it's not quote unquote real, but the whole point is to not even worry about, you're not supposed to, you're supposed to get past that. Doesn't matter if it's real or not. All that matters is that it works. It works for you.

It's supposed to help develop your personality, blah, blah, blah. It's a God replacement system. It's like with you and beings are kind of evolved to believe in some kind of God or whatever we think that we wanted. And then when we killed God in the science age, there's now a hole, right? And so this is one of those things could fill the hole for some people. That's why I have my new electrolyte bracelet. And it's really good.

It's helped me. It's really important. It's powerful. It was very expensive. But Jack Parsons, this is where his naivete comes in, because he started getting really obsessed with results. Now this is like, because he's a real scientist. Yes.

And this is where they, well, we call him the ultimate student is because in his mind, he's like, now he's doing that thing where it's like, none of you are going far enough. He's now been doing magic for seven years. And he's like, but he's talking to somebody like Alistair Crowley, who's technically been doing all of this quote unquote work for 40 years, his whole life. And he's telling him, he's like, you're wrong. It's like when you pick up a, I don't know. My reason why I never learned to like play guitar, because all I ever wanted to do was

like play free burtley, I wanted to play like metal riffs and then I pick it up and like try to learn the chords. And I was like, this is dumb. I hate doing this. And then Jack Parsons wants to skip all that and go right to, I want to do something cool with it. Guitar hero. Yeah.

You can play guitar here or like, hold on. MacNeely did for probably 10 hours a day or like a year and a half. Five years. I'm close to five years. We were there playing there. Patel. Five o'clock in the morning. He actually knows how to play guitar.

Yes. Well, 50-50. We're going 50-50. Well, that's the thing. Like I said, like Ed Foreman, he's also in the same boat as Jack Parsons when it comes to actually getting results, seeing shit, making things happen. So years later, when Ed was an old man, his daughter reportedly asked him about the numerous volumes of occult literature on her father's shelves.

And all he said was, quote, It's all real. It all works. Don't touch it. What the fuck are you talking about, man? Are you talking about the toaster or something? They're books, right? Don't ever look at your father again.

All right. It's fine. Yeah. But I mean, it's like that thing of like, you know, where he's taking off his glasses and he's rubbing the bridge of his nose. It's all real. It all works. Don't touch it.

Don't touch it. He seriously believes in it because he had an actual experience that backed up that statement about magic being real. And it ended up being the last time he dabbled in ritual magic. The story goes that Ed and Jack performed a summoning of some sort because they just did this shit to see what would happen all day long. He was completely obsessed with it. And so they were always doing weird rituals.

That's what I do every time I get grub hub or Uber Eats. It's a summoning. It's a summoning to me. Yes. Yes. And when Ed got home after the ritual, he heard the piercing wail of a banshee. No, no, a banshee. That's an orgasmic woman.

Yes. And he looked out his window and he saw a banshee. A banshee. Again, that's an orgasmic woman, Henry. Closer. Closer. Yeah. No one else in the house, however, could see or hear the banshee.

It was like Ed's personal banshee. Follow him around, screaming at him. All right. Real Crash Bandicoot moment. Yes. And for years afterward, it was said that Ed Foreman would shudder from time to time because he could still hear the wail of the banshee as clear as one might hear a garbage truck out front. Ed, I don't mean to be insulting, but could it be the garbage truck?

Maybe. Maybe there's a banshee in the garbage truck. Is that horny, horny garbage? I love the sexy movers. But no one ever heard the banshee's wail except Ed Foreman. Wow. What does a banshee's wail sound like, truly? Okay.

We can actually put in some kind of sound effect. I mean, we don't know what a banshee's is. I have no idea. Yeah. It's very high-pitched, extremely high-pitched. Have you met an extremely mad Irish wife? Okay. I got it.

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And from what old school OTO member Jane Wolf said about the Parsons rituals, he didn't particularly care what he evoked or what he summoned, just so long as he got results that he could see, hear, and feel. And the kind of way to describe this a little bit, because this is very esoteric, but in rituals, some people believe that if you're doing shit that counts, that's a quote-unquote working, is that you'll get stuff like phantom knocks, like weird sounds, like bells to hear, sounds of bells chiming, doors opening and closing. I mean, a lot of it's got to do with foundation. You know what I mean? The house is a lot of times it's slanted and it's difficult. But then if you're in a supremely slanted house, it's probably easier to do magic anyway, because you're on a diagonal mindset. Like Marcus's first home in Brooklyn there, which made you feel drunk just by walking in, which was great because it took five beers off your price tag.

Five beers felt like you had 10, but yes, phantom knocks and indeed LRH did get big old titties didn't he? That is good. Knockers. This dynasty wasn't even that fat towards the end, he looked comfortable. He was dying. Yeah. Yes. Now, whether or not any of this is quote-unquote real, that's up for debate.

Sure. But it felt real enough to the other OTO members living in the parsonage that they would perform banishing rituals as almost a part of the house cleaning. It's something to put on the fucking chore wheel. Yeah. That's lest Jack leave anything untoward on our side of the spiritual plane. Thank you for that. I just recently heard Sarah Lyons and somewhere in the sky describe this as a group of people doing magic in an area and like doing a lot of meditative work. There's something I believe it's called a morbid circle.

I forget what the actual term was. I might be incorrect in this. There seems to be some form of either whether or not, again, if it's real or not, I don't know, but a societal effect that the more people are in a room doing like meditative, like magical shit over a period of time, you can kind of change the space, like you change the vibe. Yeah. And Sarah Lyons actually has a new book out. It's called How to Study Magic. I read it right before I moved to LA. It's pretty solid.

Yeah. If you're listening to these magic episodes and you're like, I have no idea what the fuck they're talking about, but I want to know more. Check out Sarah's book. It's pretty solid. It's a really good plug. And I would also say like, again, read Librefour. It is very like he wrote Librefour. Alistair Crowley wrote Librefour as a reaction to people saying that his works are unreadable because they are unreadable.

And so he wrote that. And so it's like, again, if you just want to understand what it is, it's there. And also revolutionary witchcraft gets a little political. Sarah was in my documentary Hail Yourself America. She helped me when I ran for office. She got me point one of the 1.6% of what I got. That's all it takes. She got the witch vote.

There we go. One vote in Williamsburg. They vote with their brooms. Yeah. Well, since Jack was so willy nilly with what he summoned, and he was very willy nilly with what the consequences might be, Ed Foreman dropped out as his magical partner after the whole Banshee incident. Well, the whole house seemed to be violently haunted. They said that the upstairs, they were like, while he was doing all of this shit, they said that they wouldn't even go on the third floor anymore because that was where his like temple room was. And again, it does.

Is it haunted or is your landlord upstairs naked but for robes all day long going, oh, oh, oh, it is like incense burning fucking classical music blaring and shit. Like it does set a tone. It sounds like a haunting to me. It is. Yeah. Because Ed Foreman was out. That meant that the only person around who would still play with Jack Parsons was Elron Hubbard. Okay.

I'm here, baby. Soon after Foreman dropped out, Parsons and Hubbard began working together on a summit that, if successful, would usher in a new era for humanity. Ooh, the Korean War. Yes. Starting in March of 1945, Parsons and Hubbard embarked on a series of magical rites of Jack's own creation that came to be known as the Babylon Working, which was designed to manifest the biblical character of Babylon, the Scarlet Woman writing the Great Beast in the Book of Revelation. Interestingly, this working had an element of chaos magic. Instead of taking inspiration from grimoires or even some of the newer OTO writings, Parsons based much of the Babylon Working on an Aleister Crowley novel called Moonschild, which somewhat annoyed Aleister Crowley. Because technically, so if you're reading all of Crowley's works, you're supposed to examine all of his shit for all of the various levels of meaning that it can have, right? According to you, if you believe in magical theory.

And so Moonschild technically is a piece of fiction that Crowley wrote as like a parody of various magicians in his field. And I talked about this idea of a magical baby being created and like these two white magicians and black magicians like fighting over the baby. And there are there is stuff in there, but mostly it was a work of fiction and it was never really supposed to be a working. And so Jack Parsons, again, in all of his like childlike enthusiasm to do the biggest, baddest magical working and to show Daddy Crowley that he's a big, bad magician. He could do it well and he's the best at it. He was like, I'm gonna make the Moonschild. And Crowley was like, you might as well like make a version of the movie Moonfall be real. You know what I mean? Like now we're scared of the moon. Like that style being like, no, it was supposed to be funny. Sounds like Rosemary's baby. It is. It's pretty similar.

Now, contrary to popular belief and what I actually thought before we started getting into this series, Jack Parsons was not trying to bring about the end times with this working. Not it. He was trying to fucking end the age of Horus. Yeah. And yeah, he was trying to birth a female Messiah, the eponymous Moonschild, a symbol of religious freedom, female emancipation and sexual liberation. In other words, Jack Parsons was just trying to make the world a little bit grooveier. Somebody's got to try to make that guy's pussy wet, man. Okay. But there is a bit of like, again, did he mean to create an actual physical child? I don't know. And neither does any, from the readings, it's also not specifically very clear. There's also the idea is like, was it supposed to be creating a spirit that would inhabit a living person and that living person would actually be a physical incarnation of Babylon?

That's more how I saw it. There is some of that. But there's also another version of it, or they just opening a hole. Are they just doing a thing, letting the energy of Babylon into this world to destroy the man led age of Horus? And like, I don't know. I don't know. I was going to go invest in Theranos. That's all I know. See, that's where it works.

Now it was thought when Parsons first started the Babylon working that he was actually trying to summon a demon to destroy Elron Hubbard. Because by this point, Hubbard had all but stolen Sarah away from Jack completely. They were all like, again, it was doing the thing where she's sitting on his lap all day playing with his captain's hat. And you just have to sit and watch him in his big pants in your living room because he's not paying rent. No. Parsons owns this house. Yeah. Yeah. I might have kicked him out at that point then. And he had a hold on him.

Yeah, but that's the thing. If you kick him out, then you destroyed everything that you've preached, everything that you worked for. The nice thing is you just like forget about it. Let's go back. Again, this is Jack Parsons. He's truly a bleeding heart. Yeah. See, that's the thing. Parsons, he actually didn't begin the Babylon working with Elron Hubbard. He only brought Elron Hubbard in later. But Parsons was never petty with his magic.

Instead, Parsons believed that he would never be able to bring Babylon into existence unless he first summoned a flesh and blood elemental to help him. Henry, could you please explain an elemental or at least as far as how Jack Parsons approached the concept of an elemental? So now you're curious about my thoughts. You guys are both now curious about what I think. I've asked you three or four questions already this episode. I've picked your Jimmy or Timmy from South Park. You're not too far. But so elementals are physical proof of the spiritual world according to them.

Jack Parsons was obsessed with this idea of summoning something that would then physically show up. But according to the Crowley works, everything that you are summoning and quote unquote seeing in your mind, what you learn at the very end is that it's just parts of your brain. But Parsons like, no, I'm going to make it show up. So the first half of the Babylon working was him doing this like arcane thing to allow the peace that would arrive. That would allow him to complete the entire working that he thought in his mind was supposed to be a physical representation. Nowadays, you know, like elementals are similar to silphs. Like nowadays, you'd say like back in the day, they used to see fairies. Now, like the most common version of a silk is a UFO.

Like we'd see that like that. I never heard that before. A silk. A silk. Yeah, it's like it's like a simp. But you'd give up. You give money to yourself. OK.

But you see UFOs to them. It was like that. He thought he'd see a thing that would like show up. But again, he also he didn't know what was going to happen. He was just kind of starting this process to like begin this like moon child ritual. And you know, he didn't know what was going to happen. But then it did. I guess it did work out. Yeah.

All right. And so he started doing summoning rituals. OK. And when he did it, he would put a specific artist on his gramophone. Fernando, if you would, set the mood please. Because this is important about ritual. You get to set sounds, smells. Absolutely.

No farts. No, not at all. No, you really have to create a vibe. Oh, yeah. This is how they get us scared on the news. Yeah. Yeah. You see.

Said it happens. Said a tone. Now, from what other members of the OTO later said, when Jack was summoning weird and disturbing noises could be heard coming from his room, whales that sounded like someone was dying or was at the very least deathly ill. Oh, fuck. Uh-oh. Yikes.

Thinking Jack was in trouble, they opened the door and saw the figure of Jack Parsons in a dimly lit smoky room, dressed in a black robe, rhythmically chanting what sounded like gibberish in the center of a pentagram that had been drawn in front of an altar. Hold on, she-vae. Hold on, she-vae. Hold on, she-vae. Hold on, she-vae. Now, while Jack's chant sounded like gibberish to the uninitiated, he was actually speaking

Anakian, the so-called language of the angels, or he was at the very least pretending to do so. Well, Anakian is written down. Is it real? I don't know. What is language? Is language real? Exactly.

Powerful. Anakian is often defended by those in the magical community because it has its own grammar and syntax, despite never being attached to any known civilization or society. Like Klingon. That's the thing about it. Yes. That's what I've said in the past. Klingon has its own grammar and syntax.

Elvish has its own grammar and syntax. It's not that- Does it make it real? It's not that difficult. But John Dee, again, we're finding ourselves in a little bit of what kissles old cone of who does the more work, the writer, or the guy who thinks of the words. The writer. Sure.

The writer. The scribe. The scribe. The scribe. That was when you had to split a quill. Yes. Yes. Very difficult.

So John Dee, again, he set up all of this. If you want to know where Anakian came from, the Anakian language was transmuted by an ancient magician. I think he was in the 1200s. I forgot what years it was. But he had a scribe that also turned out to be a bit of an unscrupulous character where John Dee would do the work. He would like project and think about it in his mind and do all the kind of magical thing.

And then the other guy would write down all the stuff that John Dee was thinking that he saw. Okay. And then that's where the tab that came out with his Anakian language is a way to decipher the aethers. Mm-hmm. Fantastic. Let's bring the music back.

Parsons would switch between Anakian and English while doing these rituals, using a consecrated dagger to trace a five-pointed star in the air while he recited an ancient invocation. Dear Thou me, for I am the angel of Paphro Osoronofris. This is thy true name, handed down to the prophets of Israel. Hey, Jack, the renaissance. Dear Thou me, for I am- Jack, hey Jack, hey Jack, hey, um, the landlord's here. Hey Jack.

Well, it sounds like a very powerful ritual. Yeah. Yes, it does. Well, it's also kind of funny because it's, again, it's you do these rituals in other religions and it's just like it just, when you set it out of context, stuff like a big fancy house. Yeah. People look stupid.

Well, I mean, you know, he was upstairs, he was alone, he has, his name was on the fucking lease. Mm-hmm. While invoking the angel, Jack Parsons would also, of course, be vigorously masturbating. Oh, that's the difference. That's the difference. Well, there is actually, he only vigorously masturbated on certain parts of the ritual. Well, yes, he wasn't doing it for two hours.

Like, he was hard the whole time, though. Well, no, that's actually just, to be hard the whole time in a room of other magicians is truly just, I believe, like, it's like the fifth or sixth degree in the OTO. It's like one of those that you have to do. But what he did was he does this like, it's an hours long process where he goes, he opens up the circle, he screams about, like, you know, like he says all these like ancient tomes, he does the hand signals, and then he calls it, I'm just trying to find a term for it.

I don't believe it's called particulate, is what he generates. It is a, he generates it because that's what gets the goop. Okay. Well, he's trying to fertile, you're like a mother patiently listening to her sons about like a hobby that she has no idea, but she's really supportive. Well, that's good for you. Well, Henry and Marcus, they go up and they masturbate up there, and they do a lot of screaming, they come down for their hot pockets and for their, you know what, they get their pizza

rolls. I'll tell you that. Well, he was trying to fertilize the magical tablets, you got to have come if you want to fertilize the magical tablets again, that that was like, what's interesting at the time is like, that's the secrets of all secrets. And the guy you sit and watch it all of the shit, none of this is supposed to be exposed to anybody outside of who was not an ordained member of any of the shit. And you just got LRH.

On the other side of the door, being like, interesting. Yeah, I mean, by that, by that metric, the most ordained books we've ever had are a penthouse or a playboy. You got to invoke, invoke, invoke, invoke. I wonder if anyone has ever jerked off to the articles. Hmm. I actually picked up some really interesting issues at penthouse and I know it's called invocation of one with material basis on talisman.

Okay. I'm not going to masturbate to that John Hinkley article, although it is fascinating. Yeah. They wouldn't let him perform his music. No, I know, but you put a couple of boobies on him and I'm all about him. Sure. But once Parsons shot his load, he would perform a banishing right, retracing everything he done in reverse.

And by the end of each two hour long ritual, Parsons would be physically and mentally exhausted, especially once he started using his own blood to fertilize the tablets instead of just whacking one out. Well, you got to mix it up. That is real. Like you literally, you're supposed to mix it up and then certain invocations need blood and certain ones need cum. Okay.

Do they ever need both? Hey. Okay. Again, super top secret. That's a super top secret. Like at the very end, if you get to the 10th degree of the OTO, a woman's supposed to period into the cup and then you come on top of the period and then you drink that. And then we have to first make it God.

Like you look at the cup with the stuff in it and you go do a bunch of stuff that makes that thing God. And then you eat it. It's a kissle. It's great. I love. This is a great English class. That's awesome.

One of the reasons why we know so much about Parsons solo summoning is because he recorded the results of every ritual just as a scientist records the results of an experiment. That's from Crowley. The idea of you treat it like a science in the first ritual, for example, he noted that a violent windstorm followed its completion, which was quote unquote interesting, but not what he asked for. But this is what we're talking about. The fact that he's desperate for results, which is one of those that's like a windy.

Yeah. But really windy. Super windy. And it never does that in California. No, never thing called the Santa Ana winds. It doesn't happen. No, not without him jerking off naked upstairs in his house as another man has sex with a woman he loves.

But as he performed the ritual more and more, it seems as if the phenomena became more pronounced and aggressive and the summoned spirits allegedly began to interact with other people in the house, particularly Alron Hubbard. On one of the days in which Parsons performed the ritual twice, the electricity mysteriously shut off after the attempted summoning, and reportedly Alron Hubbard was in the kitchen at the time and was suddenly struck in the shoulder, which caused him to yelp. This brought Jack Parsons running into the room. And when he arrived, he supposedly saw a seven foot tall brown and yellow light towering

over Alron Hubbard. Oh my God, and there was no lights on in the house. No, there weren't. No, there weren't. No, I guess there weren't. No. No, I don't know. A light above Alron Hubbard like he's taking the stage.

Yeah. No, seven foot tall, brown and yellow. Brown and yellow. It seemed to have an intelligence behind it. Oh, okay. Like the original Wolverine. Cool. What?

Yeah. You remember those old costumes? Was it the new costumes? The brown and yellow was the second costume. The first costume was actually blue and yellow, and then he went to brown and yellow, or actually it wasn't even yellow in the 80s, it was brown and I think white. Son, I just wish you'd get a job. Yes, indeed.

Wolverine. Great character. Well, somehow though, Parsons knew just what to do when he saw the brown and yellow light. He grabbed a sword and performed a quick banishing ritual, burning sulfur and tobacco, following the apparition around the house while he drew pentagrams in the air with his sword until the figure dissipated. That's fun. These guys really believe this shit.

Yeah. I guess that's why, like, we were like, oh, batching episodes are dumb. I understand, but if you just think about it for a second, and the fact that they're all living in this reality. I love it. I love it. I love the idea of, like, just think about Jack Parsons, just, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!

Down elemental, and Alron Hubbard like two fingers up his wife's pussy. Right. That guy just gets funnier and funnier. Okay. Not going on here. But from the appearance that Hubbard had been attacked, Parsons took it to mean that Hubbard was especially magically sensitive and could be an ally in the summoning. they put aside their personal grievances and attempted to bring about the Babylon working

together. Once Hubbard started sitting in, the visions and figures appeared in greater number and clarity. And supposedly, Elrond Hubbard once subdued a summon that looked just like rival Wilfred Smith. He subdued it with throwing daggers. Whoa, no kidding. He pinned it to the wall. Whoa, I can't get out of here. It's not a ghost. It's a guy. I didn't know. I actually did not understand a ghost could be pinned by knives. Can it be? They're magical knives.

Are they real knives or fake knives? Are they actual knives? No, it's real. They said throwing daggers. Okay, so those are tangible. Yeah, and he learned how to do that like most fat guys spend most of their time in the get out and learn how to do that. Just throw them. Yeah, just throw them. Yeah.

Later, Parsons claimed to have heard a buzzing metallic voice crying, quote, Let me go free. Let me go free. Get out of here. Let me go free. Oh, we are the world. Yeah. He's Elrond Hubbard again. Yes, I am. Yeah.

He's telling me about it. So he's just like, well, you must be great at magic. And LRH is like, yeah, I must be. And then they go in there like there's because he's like, all right, so your job is you write everything down. And then Elrond Hubbard is like, I am an excellent writer. And so he just doubles down whatever he's saying. He's just like, yeah, there he is.

We're going to get him with the knife. He's throwing knives at the wall. Yeah. It's fucking awesome. All right. Well, and if you just base how good a writer is on word count, Elrond Hubbard is really incredible. Him and Dickens.

Yes, indeed. Now, after two weeks of rituals, Parsons and Hubbard traveled to the desert for more magical practice. And as they sat beneath a crossing of massive power lines, Parsons said that he felt a tension snap. He turned to Hubbard and simply said, it is done. Oh, I have cancer. I love the power lines.

But this was an 11 day ritual. So he did this every day for hours and hours. And that was like the first half of it. At first he's like, nothing happened. And then he felt a tension and they went on a little staycation out in the desert together. And in what is it the very least one hell of a coincidence? When they return home to the Parsonage, Jack's elemental had seemingly arrived in the form of a 23 year old redhead from Bell Plain, Iowa, named Marjorie Cameron.

Now, this is a woman that would have ruined my life if I hadn't met her. This is, she is exactly my type. Oh yeah. This is a, how are you? Was she breathing? Well, she was tall, busty, redhead and she was mysterious, man. Real mysterious. Yeah.

Difficult. Professional pain in the ass. But I say that. Yes. Yeah. Also raconteur. Yes. Performance artist.

Destructive as destructive as a tornado. I love her. Sounds like an elemental. Now, Marjorie, like a lot of people at the Parsonage, she'd already lived an appropriately weird witchy and sexy life prior to showing up at Jack's doorstep. Marjorie had been so named by her mother's sister, who demanded that the child be named Marjorie because she believed it meant pearl of God and her request was honored only because Nell was dying of tuberculosis.

Most Marjorie's I've met are more of a blurb of God. I mean, yeah, Marjorie, it's an interesting one, but it's a big Marjorie. Big Marge. I do like it. But this all came from the book. We have a whole other book on Marjorie Cameron called the Wormwood Star that's like her life was fascinating. Well, yeah, it is.

It is fascinating. I think that she's an interesting character, but it's very difficult. I mean, yeah, she was in a bunch of like she was in Kenneth Anger movies. You know, she was, she worked in that scene. You know, she's a very like, she's actually, she's a legendary artist. She's a great artist. She's just an artist. And so as many artists are, but she's like a special extra pain in the ass.

She's magical. And the fact that she just never once had to work a real job ever, and that's the artist. That is the artist lament. Cause like when Jack Parsons finally died, he was her final statement was, I don't know how to make a living. Which I think is the artist's lament. Yeah. Well, now also predicted that Marjorie would be born with red hair and blue eyes and that

Marjorie would become a nun and take the veil as a daughter of Christ. And in this, she was correct in a somewhat sideways manner because Marjorie's life would indeed be wrapped in the metaphysical until her death. Once Marjorie was born and her aunt, Nell died though, Marjorie was supposedly haunted by her dead relative because Marjorie was forced to sleep in Nell's old room. That'll do it. Yeah. And she became convinced that the well in her grandparents backyard was a hole to hell.

That's fun. A little girl in there, man. Girl in the well, dude. Watch out. I hate her neighbor. Remember fucking baby Jessica, dude, baby Jessica, man. And when Marjorie grew up and World War II broke out, she enlisted in the Navy as a wave. She was one of the many women who helped out during the war effort.

What's called like women active volunteers? Every time. Every time. All the time. But that is also where her life of intrigue began. It was rumored that Marjorie Cameron was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to work as a honey trap. Oh, that's the most fun Joint Chiefs, dude.

That's the fucking weed chiefs, dude. They constantly insinuated the World War II star that she like got everywhere because everyone was like, she's fucking hot. And I do actually kind of think that that was probably true of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Yeah. To be honest, sure. Well, supposedly she lured the head of a Nazi propaganda group based in America to a hotel

room in Washington and used her feminine wiles to elicit information. Played with his bowls. Well, it's very difficult to get a Germanman to become aroused. Is it? Yeah. I don't know. Weird bunch. Yeah.

Eventually though, Marjorie went AWOL and her parents moved to Pasadena. There her father got a job very coincidentally at Jack Parsons former company, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. That is, it's weird. Yeah. That's weird. And this fact, and this fact is coincidental because Marjorie did not meet Jack through her father.

Instead, she was out in Pasadena visiting her parents when she ran into a guy that she used to sleep with in D.C. And it just so happened that this former fuck buddy lived at the Parsonage. They always end up there. I didn't know when I was fucking you. I was making the whole, I didn't know you were taking evidence, man. I was in a federal penitentiary for 10 years because of you, man. How am I supposed to know?

I do it all again. I just thought, I just said, I thought the Germans had some good ideas. We are literally going to need to do an entire episode about the intelligence community's connections to all of these various magic groups because they all have tangential connections to a lot of cryptic covert ops that I kind of want to, there's a way to go through all. We will do an episode on it. There's a connection. And I think it might be a personality connection.

I think it's probably more than anything else. I think that they tend to, both... They're professional liars. Yeah. So they both tend to attract the same types of people. Yeah. Well, we talked about a little bit with MK Ultra. A little bit.

A little bit. Right from your grave. And while it's often made up to sound as if Marjorie Cameron simply appeared on Jack's doorstep after the first part of the Babylon working, it was not quite as cinematic as all that. Well, Jack Parsons definitely sold a story as if she arrived from a storm. He said he was home and then he heard a thunder crash and Marjorie appeared at the door, like wet in a blanket, just being like, I don't know where I came from.

Well, you got to shut that door right away. No, very much so. You better figure out where you came from. That was the story he told Marjorie to tell people for years because he wanted to kind of create the magical thing and she's like, no, Jack, she would dispute it in front of people and it was kind of fun fight. That must have been. Yeah.

Oh, that's really fun. Yeah. Well, she'd come by the Parsonage previously and recognizing another powerful mind prime for magic, Jack had tried convincing her to join the Agape Lodge. And as it just so happened, Marjorie returned looking for Jack on the very night he returned from the desert, just after he told Hubbard that the first part of the working was done. Just immediately, Jack and Cameron began performing sex magic rituals. And for the next two weeks, they barely left Jack's room.

Well, isn't that just something she says that when she came in, she saw him. He did that thing. It was like old school where he like gave her a wink. She was like, oh, and then they walked away. Right. Yeah. I'm using it now. I've been using it.

Like Cardi B. Yeah. I don't know who it was. But that was inside Cardi B. But then when she came back, she was like, she just fell right into it. She was like, he made him fuck him. She made him. But she made her hot as fuck.

And so they went and they started fucking. The thing is, there's some word about whether or not she knew she was doing magic while they were having sex because there were some things that said that she didn't know that they were doing magic sex rituals. And then she was like, oh, that's why he was so animated because literally the whole time he's going, huh, huh, huh, like fucking her doing hand motions and stuff. And so she just thought he was incredible. I don't know about that.

So they weren't so sex. What was that red hot chili pepper sex magic blood sugar, sex magic, sex magic. She was more hot dog and the, and the wet chocolate chocolate starfish and the wet hot dog. Yeah. And he was, and he was red hot chili pepper. Sure. Sure.

All right. Okay. All right. That's all I'm saying. Just to help him learn. Sure. I'm learning. I'm again, sometimes this is the interesting thing about time.

There was the, oh, the future means progress. You can come together. Things will be more of a, of a wonderful utopia. But that's not happening. No. And then sometimes they say, oh, the more you learn, the more you'll know, but then sometimes you learn in your dumber. Yeah.

Oh, we've been doing this for years. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I still can't tell you my niece's birthday. Yeah. But I can really go through a lot of shit. Yeah. Honestly, no one can do that.

Now I'm like, I'm not liking the future. Yesterday I was. You created it. No. But that's the thing about killing dogs. Hey, no, no, no, no. That's not it at all. I was using fucking Google Maps yesterday and it fucking gave me an ad for Taco Bell

in the middle of my directions. Take a ride after Taco Bell. They do that. Well, that's what they do. And also they have something going on with Hardee's or Carl's Jr. wherever you want. There's something going on. They're being like, you know, it's always like, yeah, use the police station next to the Hardee.

You're like, what? Well, Jack Parsons described Marjorie Cameron as fiery and subtle, determined and obstinate, sincere and perverse, in other words, the perfect elemental for summoning a messiah. And according to Jack's writings, the moment she proved herself was when just a few weeks into their relationship, she spotted a silver cigar shaped UFO in the sky, which would be a common occurrence in Marjorie Cameron's life. Well, he said that he wrote down in his magical journal that the elemental would reveal itself after it's seen a sign.

And so when she described the show, this UFO, and he's like, look what I wrote down. And then he saw that thing and it was just like a circle with a triangle in it. It's like, see. Wow. And he's like, all right. Let's take it back. She's not limp-biscuit at all. She's ace of base.

Sure. Nazi sympathizers. What? Okay. We're going to move on. No, no. It is true. Ace of base?

Yes. I doubt it. You'll see. Look it up. I'm not. You can look up anything and prove yourself right. And so with his elemental at his side and Alron Hubbard as his magical partner, Jack Parsons began the second part of the Babylon working, the so-called invocation of the biblical

whore of Babylon. Oh my. Using the Anarchyan language once again, Jack and Alron set up a series of magical evocations to summon the goddess, while essentially cosplaying as the men who discovered the language of the angels. It was done on purpose. Yeah. Ooh, that would be a great porno.

Becky does Babylon. Ooh. Ooh. I bet that's probably, have you ever seen the Devil and Miss Jones? Yeah. That's a classic. It's good. Of course.

Yeah. The devil loved being in there. But what's Babylon? The Babylonian area is like Albany, New York. Oh yeah. The new Babylon. I think we have to move on from the idea of creating Babylon. Call it something fucking different.

I believe that Babylon was supposed to originally be a symbolic representation of the quote unquote hedonistic end of times of Rome. At St. Eilish. Yeah. But it's from Roman times. It was supposed to be that. It literally was supposed to be. Okay.

Everyone was mad that Rome had become this giant hedonistic, swollen, contemporary place and they had lost touch with the natural energies that made them real. Wipe their asses with the same sponge. We now know that they were different in a way that we can't handle anymore. We're not like that no more. I'd love to just be at the Colosseum just one fucking day. Free wine. There are also some people saying whether or not it was real or not.

We don't know. I don't know. Well, Jack inhabited the role of Elizabethan magus John D. while Elron Hubbard played D's scribe Edward Kelly. These nuts. He was kind of crazy, but these guys, you never know where these guys, but he's the reason why he used a knocking because it was the similar. It was a, the only formula that had produced results for him.

Yeah. Well, this was actually an appropriate match for both men, you know, Elron Hubbard playing Edward Kelly and Jack Parsons playing John D. It's perfect. Because Edward Kelly way back when he and John D were practicing a knocky and magic in the court of Queen Elizabeth, Edward Kelly had actually convinced John D that the angels had told them they should swap wives. Yeah.

The angels told them that. Why were the angels scared out of all the things? I feel like they would care more about a touchdown being scored in an NFL game. Why do the angels want everyone to be unhappy? As you'll discover, it's when later on Jack Parsons would write a biblical, what he called, he'd write a magical bibliography, which he'd say like describing why he was the way he was magically and where it all came from. And in his mind, it was stuff like the reason why he had to fuck Betty was because the relationship

with a tinge of incest gave him sort of the transgressional activity that gave him like extra magical juice. And so this kind of is a long standing thing within magical thought of like, y'all should do something fucked up because it shakes it up from the inside. But really, most of the time it's the guy who's wants to fuck your wife. And he's got the quill and he's doing it all and he's telling you, I want to fuck your wife. But he's saying the angels are telling him, you can't have a tinge of incest.

Yeah. Well, because a tinge, it's like a step mom's fucking your step mom, but it's like a shit. It's like a shit in a punch bowl. It's like mostly not shit, but now it's just like that's shit in a punch bowl. So I don't know. Oh, it's a tinge of incest. No, but tinge is still not step mom. That's what they're saying, tinge of incest.

It's in the reason why he said it's a tinge of incest is because he left his wife for her sister. Yes. So it's a tinge. So he fucks two pussy same family. Oh, I see. It's a cross incest. Tinge of incest, also a fantastic new nirvana cover band.

And so with Hubbard and Toe, the goal of the Babylon working came into sharper focus. They wanted to unleash the licentious spirit of Babylon upon the world, thereby destroying the stranglehold Christianity had on common attitudes towards sexuality. They wanted a whole world to be funky, man. This would thereby set in motion the revolutionary Aeon of the Great Beast, not the Aeon of Horus. Which one? What comes after the Aeon of Horus?

It's a Babylon. Babylon. That's the idea is that Babylon's supposed to replace the Horus energy that is all men. Oh, you men. Oh, yuck. Oh, yuck. Now, even though Hubbard was all in with the rituals, I don't think he was ever a member of the OTO.

Was he? Yeah. No, as a matter of fact, all of this shows deeply because Jack Parton says now this is him abandoning his track on the OTO. This is him walking away from it because he's not supposed to see any of this shit. All of this was only supposed to be people that were quote unquote vetted. Again, the difference between Scientology and the OTO is that Scientology is trying to actively get people in, but the OTO is trying to cradle these things to kick people

out. They're trying to have you not be in. It's supposed to be secret. Gotcha. Yeah. Well, LRH, he's just hanging around. He's absorbing everything he can. And as such, most of the other OTO members had no idea what Parsons was even attempting

because the battle I'm working was, as I said, something that was created by Parsons himself based on an Alistair Crowley novel. As far as Crowley went during all this, he oscillated between intrigue and denigration. Sometimes he was curious as to whether or not they'd pull it off. And sometimes he'd call them both morons for even trying in a letter to one OTO member. He wrote, quote, apparently Parsons all hobbled or somebody else producing a moon tile. I got fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts. Oh, wow.

So he says they're, they're either like that one bit. I feel a little bit of the waning powers of a man in his twilight years far away from what is heroin. Yeah. Very addicted to heroin. The oats. This is the Agape Lounge is the current in this time period is Agape Lodge. Agape Lodge.

Keep on the lounge. Well, it's fun. It's fun. Yeah. Um, but he's so far away from the action. Yeah. The OTO is the, that is the, the Agape Lodge is the last functioning OTO building in the entire, you know, the whole world because his fellow part, his Abbey fellow part.

And so I think there's a little bit of jealousy, a little bit of like, they don't get it. They don't get all of the shit because again, cause he constantly the men's that I wish I had more time with Jack Parsons for him to understand the final, final thing is that it's all made, it's all like in your head, but he's kind of just like, what are these guys doing? They're trying to show me up. Yeah. They're trying to take the mantle of the most powerful magician in the world.

Move it, move it forward. Yeah. And Crowley is also like, he's a little bit pissed off cause Jack Parsons is sort of biting on his style just a little bit. A little bit. You know, because, you know, Crowley, of course, he wrote the book of law after a spirit named a was supposedly dictated every word following a ritual done in an Egyptian pyramid. So Parsons figured he's going to do pretty much the same thing to kickstart the Babylon

working. He goes out to the desert and he writes something that he claimed was dictated by a spirit, a volume called the book of Babylon. But the problem with the book of Babylon is that it, to be honest, it's way more straightforward than the book of the law. There's a, the poetry in the book of the law is why it's decipherable. Like that's kind of the point of it. It's like why you're supposed to dig in because it's just, it's just nothing but illusions

to all of the writings that Crowley has done that has come through this kind of like, his way of separating himself from his consciousness by like channeling something. But it's like, that's the one thing about the book of Babylon. It's a little on the nose. Yeah. I think they would agree with me then that being the scribe is indeed more difficult. I feel in this world where we're at, the scribe is having a harder time. Absolutely.

Because the other one's just an angel. Yeah. It also makes little sense, the book of Babylon, you know, from what author George Pendle wrote. Book of Babylon on. I mean, yeah. I'm insulted. Yeah. If the New York Post reviewed books of magic, then yeah, that's what they'd say.

You know, more like book a, you're a fucking piece of shit. Whoa. Crazy. Wow. What'd I do? Very clever. Well, it's so coherent threads are repeated references to flames and madness, which is super cool.

Yeah. But here's an excerpt. I mean, it sounds good, but it doesn't really mean anything. Yes. It is even I, Babylon, and I shall be free, thou fool, be thou also free of sentimentality. Be thou my thy village queen, and thou a sophomore, and thou shouldst have thy nose in my buttocks. Whoa. It is I, Babylon, you fools.

My time has come. And this my book that my Anna prepares is the book of Babylon. Sounds like a fucking tweet. It is. He does say a lot of like, if you do read it, read it. It kind of does kind of make sense, but it's just kind of saying the same thing over and over again. They're going to bring in a new age of power and cleanse the world with a purifying flame.

But really, that's always good when they call for a mass cleansing. Oh, very much so. Yeah, the flame of frenzy, the frenzy flame. Oh, that'll be great. But the thing that it does, what is weird though, is that of all the people who wrote a bunch about bursting into flames, it was the dude that did end up bursting into flames. Like he exploded himself. Yeah.

But after two more months of rituals and desert trips, Elron Hubbard, he had enough. Well, he's a sea man. It's a lot of work. Yeah. Sitting there and making shit up. He's not a desert boy. Believe me. I know.

I know. He's often be, quote, left pale and sweaty from his exertion. I'm soaked right now. Just doing the podcast. Yeah. And Hubbard, finally, quote, unquote, had a vision that told him that his work with Parsons was at an end. Hey, listen.

Hey, listen. Hey, I just so you know, your wife's great. Yeah. Second of all, I just got a poop, poop, poop, poop, poop. Whoa, just got a message. I'm going to have to quit all this shit. All right. And so with Hubbard out, Parsons similarly declared that his working was a success.

I did it. Babylon, he said, would be born in nine months and the new Aeon would follow or Eon, the new Eon would follow. Where? Everywhere. Everywhere. Where was it born? No.

Where's it going to be? Everywhere. The new Eon. No. The new Eon is the new Eon. It's like asking where is 1996. Yeah. Where is it in the past?

In my mind. In my soul. In my soul. So at the same time, 1996 is now. Now it's layered on top of us, isn't it? Or beneath us. Oh-ho. Well, this meant that Jack's magical work was done.

Right. And with the Babylon working finished, Jack Parsons decided it was time to return to science. Well. He had to go get a job again. Okay. The truth is, is that he was kind of heartbroken at the end of the Babylon working. It's like, as he was doing it, he was expecting all these results.

And then so the second, the latter half of the Babylon working was him, Marjorie Cameron was also now a part of it with Elron on the side drawing things that he saw on the, on the side of it. Like you're doing all these rituals and at the end of it, nothing really happened because what's, it's interesting is because this is why it's, I'm against the concept that they were trying to create a physical baby because Marjorie Cameron did get impregnated during the process of all these magical rituals, but then they got an abortion because both Marjorie Cameron and Jack Parsons were like, no kids.

Yeah. There's no kids in this world that we're not bringing our kids into this, which is really interesting for a bunch of people trying to create a mystical child. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's one way to do it. Well, Marjorie Cameron did break that, that rule later. Yes, of course, but it was after she was not with Jack Parsons.

That's right. Well, Jack Parsons wrote a letter to all of the members of the OTO saying he was selling the Parsonage. Wow. Marjorie said, but this is what I'm saying, he was heartbroken that nothing, like after the last one, he had this idea that it would like burst forth and all of these things would change. Well, he wanted it too much.

Well, it's again, it's just, it's subtler energies. Mm-hmm. Therefore, everyone had to move out by June 1st. Gotcha. That's the real stuff. Very much so. Oh, yeah. Oh, I know we're talking about elementals and stuff, but the movers are coming.

Yes, they are. Well, Jack handed the reins of the now homeless Agape Lodge to another member and began plans to get his own explosives company off the ground using profits from the sale of his mansion. Oh, great. Yeah. But while everyone at this point could have just gone their separate ways with a cordial, nice working with you.

Seeing all your dicks, glad to see what all of your cumfaces look like. Absolutely. Love Prokofiev. Love all the shit, man, so, but unfortunately, we're just going to have, this is the parting of the waters. Yeah. But that wasn't Elron Hubbard's style. Oh, no, dog.

Fuck it. You let me in. Yeah. Figuring that he'd learned everything he could from Jack Parsons and seeing as how he'd also stolen Sarah Northrop away, Hubbard decided to go for Jack's money. Oh, yeah. Because again, don't do that. LRH was light at the time.

Yeah. And he was in between jobs. The US government was not really wanting to give him the money that he asked for his conjunctivitis. Do you remember? We had like terminal conjunctivitis. Yeah. Pink eye.

Yeah. It was like $600 a month from the US government because it was like, I am a writer and I need that, that eye to look at the periods. You know what I mean? Like all this kind of shit. He's got a milky eye. Yeah. It's very funny.

Oh, you ever hung out with someone with a milky eye? Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. I think a guy with that watery eye. No, if you got a milky eye, that's all right. It's tough. It's tough.

But well, I don't know what you have against people with milky eye. I don't know what to talk about. I mean, it's just, it's bad when it's chocolate milk. Whoa. Well, the Parsons had gotten a pretty penny from selling the Parsonage, about 350 grand in today's money, which would have been more than enough to get a good explosives company off the ground. Hubbard, however, told Parsons that he could use that money to make even more money.

Well, more money on top of money? Yeah. Listen here. Okay. And you can get an even better explosives company. Listen. You're talking about money. Uh-huh.

What? You know what I like more than money? What's that? More money. More money. I'm going to double it. Just give it to me. I'm going down to Bally's.

I am going to flip this whole thing. I got my numbers. I always play my numbers. Yeah. Oh, Bally's. I thought you were talking about the gym. No. Oh, okay.

The casino. Great. All Parsons needed to do hand over his life savings. Just hand over the life savings. It's perfect. Okay. It speaks to be reasonable amount of things. Yes.

And you hand me your life savings. Again, you can trust me. Look at my captain's hat. I'm the captain of a ship that I don't yet have. Okay. So the plan you see, he's going to go down to Miami. He's going to buy three yachts. Boom.

Done. Boom. Got it. Yachts just sitting there. Got it. Okay. Got a bunch of yachts. He's going to hire some crews.

Easy to go. You'd find a sailors are fucking horny to get away from their families. Whip them up. They're sailors. Sail the yacht south. Got to. Take it through the Panama Canal. Now Asian that like fucking.

Right. Because we're going through a little canal. Mentor. It is. Yeah. Macro. Your sailor course. Back up north to California.

You only get upside down boats. It's magic. Well, there's no yachts you could buy in California. I don't understand. I have to go to Florida. Oh, you. You have to go to Florida. You don't understand.

Is that the yacht? Something you just want to sail. A yacht is a yacht. It's a yacht, right? Yachts. What is that stand for? Y U A I U R caught the hate. I'm going.

I got to go to Florida. Okay. You're paying attention to me. We need to just be giving me the money. Well, absolutely. Here's all my money. Then. Now, almost everyone at the OTO thought that this plan was in a word.

Stupid. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. You don't give. There's no way you don't give the man who is the most full of shit in a mansion filled with the practicing magicians. A bunch of money.

That's weird. And that's not least because Parsons was still financially supporting the Agape Lodge, even if he wasn't providing them with housing. But even though he was warned, Parsons handed over his entire life savings to Elron. Making Jack Parsons actually the first person to ever hand his life savings over to Elron Hubbard, the first of many. Wow. Well, that's great.

Did he get it? He does all of his own stunts. Now, Hubbard did indeed head down to Florida with Sarah and he did indeed buy three yachts. I have the boat. I mean, that's more than I thought he was going to be doing with it. Well, it was one yacht and two smaller boats. The Diane. That was always the yacht.

In the two smaller boats, that was the Harpoon and the Bluewater too. Yeah, sure. I said three yachts, but one yacht is good. And I got three boats. Okay. I mean, it's actually for such a liar. It's kind of close to the truth almost. But once Parsons was out of Elron Hubbard's immediate sphere of influence, he slowly began

to realize that maybe he'd been had. I think all of us have been in that position when you're in your hotel room and you're like, I don't think she's coming back. I have a feeling 500 that that was just gone. But all it took was a phone call from Hubbard and Parsons confidence in their partnership would return. He's got the boats. Yeah.

He's got the boat. That's the hardest part. Yeah, it is. Finally though, the other members of the OTO tattled on Parsons to Crowley. And when Crowley wrote a letter calling Jack an idiot for getting swindled out of the OTO's funding, Parsons traveled down to Florida to take revenge and maybe get his money back. Once he arrived, he placed a temporary injunction and a restraining order that was supposed to keep Hubbard and Sarah from leaving America or from selling the yachts.

I mean, it's Elron Hubbard. Yeah, dude, because what does he know, man? Speaking of magical power of restraining order, no, I've written it down. Yeah, no, it does nothing. But guess what, man? Guess what Elron knows deep down inside? Because we all clams, right? You just go out to the water because that's where man's truly free in the center of the

ocean. Kind of, but also not really. Yeah, and by the time Parsons finally heard from Hubbard, Elron and Sarah had already set sail. They're out there. Can't get me, bitch. Can't get me. So supposedly, Parsons drew a magic circle on the floor of his motel room.

Oh. He stepped into it and performed an invocation to Bartzabelle, the spirit of Mars. Now, this could be a complete coincidence. Although you may notice by this point, the coincidences are piling pretty fucking hot. That's what I was talking about with the Sarah Lyons like aspect of it. A bunch of people do it a bunch of weird, wiggity shit all at once. Like sometimes it does create like voting. Yes.

Like voting. It creates a series of synchronicity. Yeah. But at the same moment that Parsons performed his invocation, a sudden squall off the coast of Florida ripped the sails off Hubbard's yacht and Hubbard was forced back to shore. Not much of a swimmer. No, I can't imagine Parsons was waiting for them and he took them to court for damages. Oh, that magical court system.

Yes. Well, because the problem is that they were going to go back and forth. Right. So they wanted to sue him for the boats. They wanted to get the money back. Right. But then he was just like, what about the little thing called a tinge of incest? Yeah.

Because he wanted to go to the newspapers and he was like, I'll tell them all that you had fucking new fucked your sisters, your fucked your wife's sister, which is still not incest. Well, the thing is, it's more than just you fucked your wife's sister. It's more like we're going to go tell them, we're going to go tell the cops that you fucked your wife's sister when she was just a smidge underage. Yeah. Yeah.

So she could have sent Parsons to jail. Gotcha. Yeah. And so Parsons had no choice but to take whatever was given and he walked away with a little less than $50,000 in today's money, which sounds a lot, but it ain't $350,000. No, it's not. A month later, Sarah Northrop became Sarah Hubbard. Although unbeknownst to her, Hubbard was still married to his first wife, Paulie Grubb, when

they said their vows. Oh, grubby Hubbard. Yeah. And to hear how that story ends, go check out our series on Elron Hubbard once you're done with this episode. Parsons meanwhile went home to his elemental Marjorie Cameron. They got married too. Oh, nice.

And Parsons began calling her Candida, which quickly became candy because she hated the name Marjorie due to its associations to her ghost aunts. So he went with Candida? Yeah, Candida. Candida. Like he's a child in a convenience store desperately trying to come up with an imaginary friend's name. Candida.

And the sister stickers bar. Okay. It comes from an opera. I do think that there was something magical, but Marjorie Cameron would go as also Cameron. Yeah. Oh. Cameron and Parsons soon moved into the coach house behind the Parsons. And Parsons, perhaps humiliated by his loss to Hubbard, he soon resigned from the OTO.

Elron Hubbard drank his milkshake. He drank his magical milkshake. He showed up. He took, he sapped everything fucking out of him and he left them for nothing. The Babylon working, nothing happened. No. And now they're just sitting and he's understanding what's happened. His fortune is decimated.

He's left his career in his fucking record-breaking world in rocket science. He left all that. Now he's got Marjorie Cameron, who is his fun elemental, now is his wife. Wow. The Parsonage was demolished soon after. Literally bulldoze. Yeah. A Dahmer apartment building.

And supposedly, when OTO members surveyed the site, they found a copy of Alistair Crowley's book of the law conspicuously placed amidst the rubble. Now, concerning Elron Hubbard and the OTO, the time he spent with Parsons would remain somewhat of a secret until an article was released in 1969 detailing their partnership. Not too long after the Church of Scientology was established. In true Hubbard form, though, the church issued a fantastical lie with a hint of truth. A hint. A hint of truth.

A tinge of truth. It's a tinge of truth. They said that Elron Hubbard had actually been sent to the Parsonage by the Navy to break up a black magic cult and rescue a girl. The man had terminal conjunctivitis according to his, like, paperwork. Why would the Navy do that? It seems more of a land. No.

Wouldn't it be like an army thing? All land is is solid water. Yeah. Don't you see that? Yeah. And Pasadena's, like, close to water. Yeah, dude. It's like three hours away from the beach.

In the desert, I thought. No. No. It's three hours to the ocean. It's dry heat. Yeah. It's closer than Denver. See?

Yeah, but Denver, I actually think it's more water just with snowfall. Oh. Wow. Oh, that's all I have to do. Great. Well, concerning the tinge of truth, Hubbard had destroyed the Agape Lodge for all intents and purposes. Very much so.

And he had whisked Sarah Northrop away, even if he did later write a letter to Jack Parsons offering Sarah back. Listen to me, Jack, it's just one of those things where you get something on sale and you can't return. It's a final purchase. If you want her back, she's totally available to be yours again. But, like, did she want to go back to Jack? No.

No, no, no. Well, then that also matters. Yes. Yes. She was she was fucked. It's like trying to return Chucky, the doll. Very much so. Yeah.

Like, I don't think he wants to be returned. I think it's returning any human. Like, I hear that you can return a human to somebody else. Only human. It's my human. Take her back. That's kind of humanistic. Hmm.

Specifically not. Well, it depends. It depends. Is it is a human a soul or is it human or is it Elron Hubbard? The vessel just happens to be a doll. I watch this investing. I watched this interview that he set up to ask like all him questions about about Scientology and LRH.

They ask him, what is man? And he's just like, OK, here, we see this little statue right here. No, this is man. Right. We see all this area around here. You see all this invisible area around. No, you fucking don't. Because that's where I caught you on your first lie.

You can't see it. I just said it's invisible. That's his mind. And then here by here, you know, you see this other invisible area. Do you see this down by his feet? I don't. I don't. You see your learning.

That's his soul. Man is but this man, body, soul, mind, clams, like it is just a, he says nothing. He says absolutely nothing. He cannot, he cannot define anything. You think you can get me a small role on three's company? I'm 10 years ago, but nevertheless, no matter how fucking stupid it was, while Jack Parsons struggled to find work over the next few years, Alron Hubbard took what he learned from Jack Parsons and published the foundation of Scientology, Dianetics, and this annoyed Marjorie Cameron

and Jack Parsons. Well, these are also people maybe didn't fully grok the history of magical societies and secret societies. Good, good. Yeah. Way to go. I'm making this. I'm making this just every vagina is going to be so at the park.

Oh, yes. Absolutely. So he did steal the, but again, the history of secret societies is that each one stole from something. The Rosa Crucians technically stole from the Knights Templar. If you do believe this, the idea that the Knights Templar had secret teachings, there's also more of the idea that they had hand signals and things that were secret. So they knew who was Knights Templar and who was not so they could figure out who do they

transfer the treasures from the crusades to safely, right? That's one thing. The Rosa Crucians applied esoteric meaning to the weird like symbols that they all did. And then the Freemasons stole that from the Rosa Crucians. And then the OTO stole the structure from the Freemasons. And then so it's just everybody stealing. So these L Ron Hubbard looked at the grades and he understood, I'm going to steal that. I'm going to stand like I'm the bridge I stole.

He also steals the Xenu reveal because that's the eighth degree. Guess what? So now like the OTO reveal that's supposed to be the secrets of secrets. And then he stole the final, final secret, which is that you show somebody something that they have spent so much time and energy involving themselves in. And then all of a sudden now it's like, oh, Xenu or oh, now I have to eat my own cum and it's too late for them because of the sunken time dependency. And now they're bought into your system forever.

Yeah. It's like sampling music. But I also realized why it's called tech in Scientology is because what all of this magical realism shit, I know we're at the end of this episode and I'm just, I need to get this out of my system. Yeah. But it's like the idea of Alistair Crowley calling himself a scientist of the mind is that he thinks that you're doing all of these things through trial and error and they believe

that God and quote unquote works in mysterious ways. Everybody was a part of these sectaric societies. They believed that very heavily in God, but they wanted to figure out how quote unquote God literally works like how does God have his creative powers, blah, blah, blah. So we are going to do these like rituals to copy the, that this is the, this is the science of God. Right. You're fascinating.

That'll work. I'm glad you're here together. But then Elron Hubbard in truly Crowley in fashion strips that level of mystery away again. And he's just straightening up calling it technology. All of these actions you're doing within Scientology or quote unquote technology that is allowing you to be a more pure version of man, which he doesn't even know what that is. Fantastic.

It'll help you get a role on young Sheldon. Maybe. Oh, that show's still on. No, but Scientology, they don't have their fingers as deep into the acting world as they once did. It's still there. Honestly, it is over. It's sad.

You can't even do it anymore. Yeah, it's sad. Well, the thing is, is that, you know, Marjorie and Jack, they believe that Dianetics, it was a watered down ripoff of Salema. It just wasn't cool. Dianetics makes no sense. Yeah. And Marjorie claimed that she actually caught Elron Hubbard dumpster diving behind Jack's

house, trying to... Get out of here! Ron! Hey, Ron! You know it's you! No. Yeah, he's trying to retrieve papers that Jack had thrown out, just anything that he can steal.

Now, at their course, the Lima and Scientology, they're pretty damn similar. As it was pointed out by Arthur George Pendle, both religions preach that man is an immortal spiritual being. Both say that his capabilities are unlimited, and both say that his spiritual salvation depends on his attainment of a, quote-unquote, brotherhood with the universe. But one really costs a lot more money than the other one. The difference is that the OTO is really hard to understand. It's extremely involved, and it's immediately weird and uncomfortable.

Scientology, however, begins passively, begins with an audit, begins with you answering questions, begins with someone interested in you, and it's dressed in modernity. It's dressed as, and this is the new thing that we're doing. We're using science. We're using the modern world. We're not using all this other old stuff. All this old stuff that's just getting fucking up our ingrams. It's not your daddy's magical rituals.

Your grandpa is. Did you guys ever do that in Union Square? There would be auditors. Did you guys ever do it? I was always like, busy, had to go to work. Yeah. I'd just watch them. Yeah, it was always at the subway station at 42nd and 8th.

That was where I always saw the editors. They're not there anymore. I kind of miss them. Union Square, they always had one down there, too, but they just never. But the OTO and the Golden Dawn and stuff, it was way more kind of like book club than anything else. It was really going through. It was about esoteric knowledge, blah, blah, blah.

But in Scientology, he did the thing where he was like, it's all practical and it costs money. He turned it into a business, which is where he was both correct and evil. Yeah. He does wonder about a world in which Alistair Crowley attained influence on the level of Elron Hubbard. It's interesting to think about. What if Thelima was as ubiquitous as Scientology is today?

I think there'd be a lot more, there'd be a lot more like sex industrial music. Yeah. Like what was the name? What was the secret? Not Seagorose. No. What was that? Like sexy, like cocaine, Portis Head.

Yeah. I think Portis Head would have made the national anthem. Trip hop. Yeah. But as it went instead, that boat trip that Hubbard took with Sarah after he scammed Jack Parsons, that was the beginning of Scientology and it was also the beginning of the end for Jack Parsons. And that is where we'll pick back up for the conclusion to our series.

All right. The reason why we're doing a fourth episode is because so much more came out in our research about Marjorie Cameron that we want to include and then also really digging into the conspiracy theories of Jack Parsons death. There is a lot of shit that's, it's very strange, obviously, none of, many of these things may not appear as they seem. We'll talk about the Saturn death cult in which I'm really just excited for. And also did Jack Parsons make aliens?

And of course this entire thing, don't forget he dies very young. So that's kind of interesting. I'm in my Jack Parsons year. Or was he just a sweaty guy? That's also a possibility. All right, everyone. Well, thank you all so much for listening. To all the shows on the network.

So good. We got Marcus back in the studio. Yes. Yeah. He's here. Let's toast, baby. Oh, yeah. I made the, I made the jump.

I made the jump. I'm over. I'm here. He's looking good. He's tan. I think you just covered in poop. I'm not. No, he looks the exact same as far as complexion.

He's still inside all the time. Yeah. I've been here five days. Yeah, you'll see. We'll get you there. We're going to get you one of those hoverboards. We're going to get you. You're going to do that.

Take top kid. You're going to say busting a lot. Busting. You're going to say mid. You're going to call things mid. Mid. What does that mean? It means you're not even talking.

That's not even what cool kids say. That means mediocre? Yes. It means average. But I'll just say average. I'll just say mediocre. No, you'll say other sorts of stuff. You're going to say no cap.

No cap. No cap is popular. That means you're not. I'm not lying. No cap. No cap. That is popular. But what cap?

But what cap? Capital letters. I don't know. All right, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks. I know a bunch of people saying, oh, how many hours you've listened to the network. It's fucking crazy.

It means a lot, man. I'm glad you guys put that shit out there. We'll be back next week. We're going to just keep doing this shit until we're in the grave. Yeah. And Ace of Base, more Nazi sympathizers. I'm looking right. You just, okay.

Hail yourselves, everyone. Right, Fernando? Hail state. You can't just defame Ace of Base. It's right here. You can look at it. You just, okay. Hail game.

I think they were Nazi sympathizers. No, they're saying Ace of Base is Tuesday because they're saying, no, we weren't. And some people, yes, they weren't. Yeah, because if they say no, they weren't. They weren't. I don't know. Look who installations everybody. Hail me.

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