Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 515: Jack Parsons Part IV - Mahalo

Episode Date: December 10, 2022

The boys return to conclude the story of Jack Parsons, focusing on his post-Thelema life and his final days leading up to his untimely "accidental" death doing the one thing he truly loved - blowing things up.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started I was trying to work out some bit about being if you are you know, I was smoking weed I'm like doing a bunch of like magical workings and stuff, right? You'd call me the brolarian, right? But that's not a thing, right? That's not common. No, no, that that resumes a lot of knowledge about Jack Parsons magical aliases, but what's kind of fun about that is that is that then in and of itself a Lesson of the mystery schools because what I've done is said like yes Some people would say hacky dumb joke per chance from some Seth Rogen ritual magic comedy from

2006, right? Again, this is a time machine when we could have been like very famous. Hello, very very good, right? But but instead what it is. Yeah, it's kind of half-funny. Yeah, but you just you're gonna shoehorn mahalo in today Again, maybe that's an allegorical thing here. We do some numerology on mahalo How does it break out? Right? Cuz mahalo is spelled M as in Mary a is an asshole h, right? And then I think it's mahalo another a oh a and no, it's I think it mahalo Pro layering and though still the same time you have to unpack it cuz then you see the term bolarian You're like, oh, wow, that's funny. What a funny weed joke that guy must be fucking amazing in bed

Then they really they pick it apart They realize it's a whole like a reference to a bunch of books that they should have fucking read if they wanted to be anybody that mattered. All right, bolarian sounds like a guy not allowed near schools What's up everybody? Welcome to last podcast on the left. I am Ben hanging out with Henry and hanging out with Marcus Yeah, mahalo everybody You're just saying mahalo a bunch because you drank a bunch of red wine last night and that has become the weird You're hangover talisman. Just walked into the studio today. I just kept going mahalo It's like it's not a thing

Anyway, what is the thing is this episode? Wow Jack Parsons part four It is the final and the con it's the conclusion It's the conclusion if a conclusion even can be made because it seems that Jack Parsons and actually brought a lot more Questions than answers. All right, let's get into it So when we last left Jack Parsons L Ron Hubbard had just swindled him out of his life savings literally sailing away with not only the majority of Jack's fortune, but Jack's main squeeze Sarah to boot and guess what? He didn't even like Sarah He was so sad that he had married Sarah and he was so upset with the whole situation

That's when he wrote the affirmations. Yeah, cuz he was super like bummed out. Now. What were the affirmations again? It was like I am an attractive man. Yeah, it was where L Ron She showed Stuart small exactly like Stuart small. It's like the mole on your face is not as noticeable as you believe it I am a compelling writer like he says these things, but it's really interesting because in a way we'll get into it But Jack Parsons journals, they were way more honest and open But what L Ron was doing was creating the legend from the inside out by lying to the source Which is yourself is it an ironic out Franken should have listened to Stuart smally a little bit before he got perp walked out of the Senate. Yeah, I'm good enough. I'm smart enough and gosh darn it. I'll grope anyone. I fucking watch this is great

Thank you. Kissal perfect. Mahalo Now while losing Sarah to L Ron was certainly no easy thing for Parsons to deal with the blow was softened because he still had his So-called elemental Marjorie Cameron who if you'll remember was the woman who'd helped him through the second part of the Babylon working And who had helped him through the first part of the Babylon working without her knowing. Yes, okay But since Parsons had sold the mansion where the OTO Agape Lodge had effectively set up their headquarters He moved out of Pasadena and got a job at North American Aviation After L Ron Hubbard was through with us See ya fucker

He made a call because I did read a little bit between the lines I forgot that Parsons had called LRH when he ran off and he was like, okay I'm like hey LRH I haven't this feeling that you might have taken all my money, right? And he's like no no no no no no no no no That thing was just that we just can't all right because the original and they were supposed to truck the boats He's just like but he got there. He's like these boats. We don't want to truck these boats We don't want to truck these boats. We got a we got their boats. We got a sale these boats But that was the promise and that's why it's like that's why it's taking so much longer

But then it turns out he just bought the one boat and then they just spent all the money Fucking and drinking on the boat one boat two schooners technically three boats not three yachts not the deal Living in Manhattan Beach in the greater Los Angeles area Parsons worked on the government funded Navajo missile program by day Once again a work-a-day man, but by night Jack Parsons and Marjorie Cameron lived the lives of bohemian magicians It's kind of cool. He couldn't like not end up in the coolest group Possible like he went from magicians, which I mean, he obviously are we argued last episode. Are they the coolest group? They definitely ate a lot of cum But then they found themselves into the jazzy

I love jazz we're making jazz here sort of I'm be bopping scattin. How about you? That's all jazz is what the words you don't say what's your name Billy Elliot Billy holiday Oh, it's all she did was well, you know, you know, you know, she was immensely close. It's not even close Most iconic voices in American history Billy Elliot was a child dancer. Oh Yeah While Parsons delve into tarot and astrology Marjorie created fantastic paintings. They're haunting Yeah, sometimes she would portray famous magicians of yore like John Dee

Sometimes she would paint pictures of Jack's ex Sarah bleeding out with her legs cut off Just to make Jack feel better. Is that nice? When he was crying he showed up with pictures of her of his like tortured ex and he was like Marjorie, baby You know what I like That's their love language. Yeah, it is But while Cameron was certainly a practitioner She didn't see magic as a practical everyday thing like Parsons did in one example Sarah said that a windstorm swept through the house, but while she was focused on closing the windows

Parsons went upstairs to find his magical dagger to stop the wind. It's very difficult It's very very difficult because again, he was chasing after results and synchronicity always Now Parsons was head over heels for Cameron both emotionally and physically Parsons It could be said was a man who loved big and fucked bigger. Okay. Wow like crumb. Yeah Mmm the letter. Yeah, like our crumb means physically larger, but yes, yeah, and yeah, but yeah, you do mean fit You mean like big big lady. It was a fetish. Oh, no, I mean, it's not a fetish. It's called common sense I love the idea. Honestly, like some of those pictures he drew. I was just like I could put myself right in there Yeah, like, you know riding woman on the saddle on her and stuff really big tall woman. Is that weird?

His brother was a pedophile. Well, we know that our crumb liked an extra big That's how you know, he wasn't a pedophile. Absolutely. Well this Well, can't get our crumb out of my head now. I know well Parsons as far as his physical love That's more evident in the poetry that Parsons wrote for Marjorie Cameron. Here's an example Can we play some of that thalema jazz thalema jazz over this show? You can do it in post. We don't have to do it like us, but let's let's set the mood a little bit Yeah, all right, I'm gonna take my pants off sweet now. I'm a whip Coaling across your naked buttocks

Your flesh rides under my caress and your voice is shrill with pain and passion This is you sensual. Oh, yeah Yeah, I am a plane It crawls slowly about you. Oh, I found the soles of your feet and seek each nerve center. Oh Nothing says romance like nerve centers He's a scientist. He's a scientist first, okay But at the same time Marjorie and Jack had agreed to an open marriage before they'd said their vows You know what normally means is that the woman seems to get a lot more action

Yeah, and that was certainly the case here Marjorie was decidedly less emotive and less affectionate than Jack And while this tended to drive them apart as lovers It seemed to actually strengthen their bond as magical partners Well, as we see what we learn from truly the it's a classical magician combo. Yeah LRH and Jack Parsons It he realized it too afterwards in his journals Jack Parsons realized that he was he didn't realize he had created the exact Relationship the John D and Edward Kelly had right that they it was the same group But now Marjorie, there's something about opposites kind of coming together that it's again and again in every piece of alchemical writing I look at that's always the magic sauce is that you got fire and stone wind and water you put them together

And I'm right. Yeah, Paul Abdul had sex with a cartoon cat. I mean, and I don't think that that should have been allowed No, we've seen the unrated one. Oh, it's pretty hot. It's pretty crazy. She puts two and all Believe Yeah Well for Jack's part He started sharing more intimate details about the Babylon working with Marjorie telling her that she might one day be in charge of the working in The event of his demise one day when it comes down to you women you figure out to wear some pants I'd say it's a little bit harder than your little skirts, right because you got to figure out how to get your feet through the tiny holes

Absolutely, that reminds me of one when my father looked at his truck And he said Ben one day all this will be yours Well Jack told her that Babylon was the great work that links them together Although he did warn her that if the magic was misused the results could be disastrous Interestingly Jack also told her that he would be quote-unquote blown away on the day of Marjorie's manifestation And while we don't know exactly what Marjorie Cameron was doing all day on the date of Jack's death blown away Wish wish wink wink is certainly an interesting choice of words

Okay, now in a further bid to support Marjorie's magical education Jack began planning a trip for the two of them to travel to England to meet with Alistair Crowley himself Oh, and what a fun day that was gonna be watching him die Ladies dream. Yeah, everyone loves going to England going all the way to England on a steamer ship to hang out with a heroin addict Oh, yeah, cover those shit nice And in the process Jack hoped to use Marjorie's charm to convince Crowley to forgive Jack for his past weaknesses Concerning Alron Hubbard hmm because he'd of course lost all of Crowley's respect by getting swindled by the ruddy-faced Navy man. Well, you know what I'm here. You can't victim blade

Well, the thing is in Thelima and the whole you have let this happen to you You are you are a man of pure agency He is a man of action and anybody that should be in charge of a lodge would be able to see his way around these things According to Crowley Crowley, how you know it got bad is that he was like he used to remind me of me Now he reminds me of certain victim only big So basically the guy that he let bottom him out That he still thinks but he says like because again, he was the you know, the power bottom of all time Of course like he was like Jack Parsons is that guy the guy that he destroyed with his butt. Oh my goodness gracious

But just after Parsons sent Crowley a letter stating his intentions to visit while of course also making a case for his own magical growth Yes, Alistair Crowley died at the age of 72 famously his last words were either I am perplexed or my favorite Sometimes I hate myself And so Jack and Marjorie stayed in the United States where Jack was about to be swept up in the red scare of the 1940s He was kind of ripe for it. Yeah, see by this time the soviet union had of course become America's big bad guy after world war two and you may not be supposed to be And you may not be supposed to be

And you may not be supposed to be You may not be supposed to be You may not be supposed to be Bad guy after world war two and you may not be surprised to find out the Parsons Ran in one or two communist circles in his time as a groovy dude about town Well, you should be kind of normal We talked about this yesterday about how like your family like in was in Oklahoma. Yeah, my ancestors in Oklahoma They were all commies. Yeah, and they refused to leave the dust bowl because they're like, we will organize this dirt

We will bring this dirt. It will gain its power We will organize how to all die of dust pneumonia before the bank takes our house It's communal living but it used to be way more not like we you know There used to be kind of like it wasn't there like legit communist like presidential candidates and shit in the 1800s Eugene v. Debs wasn't yeah, he was the big communist back in the day He didn't do well But still it used to be more open and then now we're obviously with the things had changed. Yeah, let's get into it I always say get political

That's the you did up top No, Parsons wasn't a communist at all quite the opposite. He was a dr. Demento level libertarian Hey, is a parody song dangerous or good It's neutral to edge sore. It knows no religion. It knows no country. That's the thing man. It's free, dude It doesn't get taxed. I love fucking doctor Demento. Everything does well because again I'll never forget that that clip I saw of dr. Demento at the libertarian conference playing his own parody song from a recorder like He didn't put in the p.a. He put a recording device up to the microphone and played it and what's been like I ain't got no taxes

They are a special bunch Wow, it takes up like freedom and just make it so fucking stupid Well, Jack Parsons, he wasn't a communist But some members of the suicide squad were communists or they had communist ties And additionally the united states government was quickly discovering that a lot of scientists who'd heavily contributed to the war effort Guys like fucking robert oppenheimer creator of the atomic bomb They were either communists or were at least communist adjacent Now Parsons have been the subject of an FBI. Wait, is that true? Yeah, is that true?

Because I know that there was like because I know what we found from a lot of these guys that they were all on fringe They're all like kind of fringe thinkers within that group and I feel like a lot of their politics also kind of changed Once you made a bunch of weapons for mass destruction, right? Well oppenheimer I'm not quite sure about his communist affiliation, but like his brother was a communist like a card carrying communist He'd gone to a lot of communist meetings. I mean, but that's the thing is that these guys were just sort of free thinkers Open thinkers. That's why you had a lot of people here in hollywood that got caught up in the red scare because They're curious people and again. We're actors. All right. We just like showing up. It was mostly writers actually Yeah, yeah, don't you get actors. Yeah those curious intellectual giants that are actors

They're intellectuals, but they like going places and wearing costumes and badges It's why Scientology applies to because they I think that's a part of it They're like, oh, we get to go to a little house and I'll talk about voting or like oh, they're like, oh, this is fun You know and they're in a circle. They don't understand actors are fun because they stay stuff like mahalo You say stuff like mahalo and so does most of hawaii. Yes, indeed The Parsons have been the subject of an FBI investigation ever since he started working on the Navajo missile program And after very little digging the bureau discovered a whole bunch of police reports from busy bodies Who thought that it was worth calling 9-1-1 over magical rituals and odd behavior lever the burrow

I believe you mean the deep state Honestly Then of course someone flat out said that Parsons was a communist They just said it. Oh sure and the rumors of voodoo cults and homosexuality at the parsonage didn't help in 1947 America especially after an unknown source talked to the FBI and described jack's mansion as quote a Gathering place for perverts Yeah, I want to go there sounds like an Arby's This economy

That means nothing. No, it really doesn't but it's interesting because it's He put that list out right when he did a thing where he's like, I don't want any I want only atheists To like live here. I feel like there's also those things they attached to it Because didn't they also believe that they were the idea that communism was some gigantic atheist movement That was going to destroy the beloved christian bedrock of america some garbage. Oh, yeah worshiping the state now. God So Parsons was immediately listed as a quote undesirable employee for national defense work and he was suspended from his job pending further investigation with pay No

Dang it. No from there life truly began falling apart for jack parsons After jack lost his job marjorie decided that even though she and jack were doing magic and she was painting They're having a good time. Yeah, she still felt and this is how author george pendle put it She still felt like a scientist's wife living in Manhattan. Okay. Yeah. She wanted her she wanted herself She wanted to be known as cameron. Yeah herself And so she left jack to join an artist colony and send miguel de a yende in mexico She just joined more people that are gonna dilute her personality. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no She's choosing this group the last group. She sort of was fucked into like literally so now this one

She's choosing a new herself into that group. Yeah, she had agency She had agency to fuck she chose to fuck herself into that group. She do now She's gonna go fuck herself into a new group. Yeah, okay With marjorie gone and defense work not an option jack parsons the founder of the jet propulsion laboratory in some time master of the magical arts He got a job pumping gas on the weekends. You know, but he actually I love that guy I love the guy in the fact that he was because jack parsons famously was like It's just a job. Yeah, like he was not like he was not all like concerned about like the quote-unquote drop in status He was really just like I gotta pay I gotta pay my bills and I'm gonna pump gas

And I you know, you don't think I don't fuck. Yeah, that's what I every day he's pumping against. You don't think I don't fuck Well, it's for me. It's not about a lack of status. It's about a lack of respect. Sure, you know, like this guy is a genius He's brilliant. You know, he's found it. He founded the company that took us to mars for fuck's sake But this was the time where the gas pump operator really had wise words for everyone. He'd come by to be like oil's low I see that there's a dog. There's a dead is attached to your bumper I don't know why you kids want to go messing around in an old house like that Absolutely that was when it was different people were people were more Mythical I think back then wise perhaps

Perhaps yes, and it was the he lived across the guys that don't go down that road He lived across the street. That's Fred Gwynne. Yes, Fred Gwynne. But yeah, he was a neighbor But still you imagine him as the gas station. Yeah, and jackpot. Okay So he pumped gas on the weekend spent the rest of his time working as a mechanic or as a hospital assistant Just kind of making a cashier on there briefly and bizarrely He even had a staff position at the department of pharmacology at USC and it's speculated that he got that job because He was really good at making narcotics at home, you know, dude lived the libertarian dream He had two separate high-level jobs, but he did not have to go to school for at all

They were all just from his backyard. Yeah of all of the people that were like quote-unquote like self-made He kind of he really is one like he learned it all just from fucking around with gunk in his backyard And making his own drugs. Right. What kind of narcotics we talking here like cocaine I mean, that's what I really want to know like I really want to know like jack Parsons hands you a pill and says take this You take it. What's gonna happen? I don't know. I feel like he probably made his own psychedelics I think he probably did a lot of stuff. I was actually reading this thing made his own speed quite a bit a lot There was a book that's called the um, it's like it's the This gigantic book about this one guy. Oh god damn it. Where is this thing?

so many tabs I have so many tabs. I just looked there's at least 40 tabs open I just got so many tabs but it was this guy who made 72 of his own Different hallucinogens and tried him tried it on himself and each time he did one. Oh, yes. Here it is It's called the pika a chemical love story by alexander schulgen and basically he had this it's one to four stars One star is like you get high on it. You can still do stuff though And then level four is you lose your personality like you become the curtain Ego death ego death and it's like it's great, but he made them all

On his like in his own house and he just would inject them and I mean like and then I like all right And then just sit back and he looks like a guy who would he's one of those guys whose eyes are like permanently Like high shot Hey, man, are you a microscope? Oh, you're the mailman. That's funny. Sometimes you're all just microscopes Right, right. Perhaps he has brain damage. Yes, but even though jack parson's days were menial his nights were still dedicated to magic Since his elemental wasn't yeah, who's this new element Well, it's a thing since she's no longer around to collaborate in sex magic rituals He oscillated between brief sexual relationships and just plain old hiring sex workers

Okay to just participate in the sex magic That's what alcer Crowley did for years because it's he actually kind of helps because then you don't get you don't get all the Emotions involved. Oh, yeah, nothing emotional at all. It's true sex work. It's contracting at the end of the day Yeah, man. It's like, you know, you know how like jimmy carter goes and builds all those houses What if instead of who's doing that? He was sucking dick through all of these little towns We just don't know what's kept him alive all these years. Do we I don't know what it is. I heard it was pedia life But nevertheless during this time jack parson's carried out a series of rituals over what he called 40 days of madness and horror okay when thoughts of death and suicide almost overtook his entire being

Jack came to think of this time as his crossing of the abyss Oh my goodness now after this because he felt You know how they say like in religion. I don't feel this right but people have felt this or like there was letters from Mother Teresa one of the biggest problems. Well, how we know she was a fucking faker and a liar, right? She wrote in her journals that she lost touch with god That she felt that she used to be in the constant presence of god And then one day it was gone and now she's just like this this husk and she's kind of like operating through like Kind of like I should be doing this

But I'm also going to create a bunch of pr ops for the church while I'm doing it take a look at my fucking my my hoodie Whatever in my virgin whatever her hat. It's called. I don't think she was a virgin I bet you she fucked you think so hey man. A couple of guys sometimes you got some guy dying of leprosy right there And he's like mama. Come on. Just one more time. She's give you a little lick. Well, absolutely And she's so used to it. She's been so covered it and she's like I've always wanted to know what human soup tasted like I can see that she may have licked a leopard's dick. Yeah, but absolutely That's literally the word of sucker, which is like to give help. What does it mean help? S u c c o r succor succor, but um to jack parson's

Bring it all back around right he was suffering from the same magical like A bit like literally a bit like he lost all touch with he used to be such an intrinsic part of his life And he loved to operating and he used to feel it all the time he was again He was like always with the knocks and the things knocking over and a kind of shit He loved all of it. He was obsessed with it But once he it all fell away He he didn't know what to do. So he was just like he had a vision It showed back up. He said he was doing nothing

He was like kind of giving all the magic up He said he had a dream the babel on showed back up and was like good. You're back in the game And so he had him he decided to go back in and he decided to like make this like rip off Like ritual essentially because the crossing of the best ritual isn't even an oto ritual you say rip off I say remix see he's learning. Yeah Absolutely Now the so-called abyss was a concept used by the hermetic order of the golden dawn as a way to explain The last stage of a magical journey that was supposed to end in becoming one with the universal consciousness

And then Alice yeah, it's supposed to be well. It's supposed to be truly neutral Why would you ever want to be part of the universal consciousness? Have we twitter has taught us one thing? I don't want to know what you're thinking. Well, I don't care anymore. I'm done That you're talking about the endless Creationary mix that lies behind the skeleton of the kabbalah The universal consciousness is much more peaceful than that. I got when we got him hungover like this It's kind of quick because we could both like convex at him with these Railroaded here also that for some reason that did you kind of turn me on there?

It's very feminine energy. You just provided me. No, I have big ten energy Yeah, you do But uh, he retrofitted all this so he this all the the the abyss thing Alistair Crowley branded after this for his AA for for that group Well, according to the golden dawn's interpretation the abyss is a chasm of existence in which our binary Conceptions dissolve and once one enters the abyss you either pass through and enter a mystical realm Beyond good and evil where all is one cool, or You plummet into madness

Is it fun madness? You become what's his name from the flash you become that actor The reverse oh, yeah, you become that guy where you're just like you're just like stealing candy out of a bank Like I got a bank bowl like and then you run across the street and you grab a child Then you run across the street and you take all the taquitos off the top of the 7-eleven Try to start a little cult. Yeah, okay. It's being out of pocket. I think they call it now it is. Gotcha Well, supposedly once one does pass through the abyss they meet the secret chiefs The highest of the high when it comes to magical knowledge and understanding and then and only then

Do you become one with the universal consciousness once you remember if we did it with from our allister Crowley series One of the biggest schisms in the golden dawn was the one guy being like I'm the only person who talks to the secret chiefs and then a new guy showing up being like hey Guess what secret chiefs just called me. I'm the new guy. She talks to the secret chiefs and then apparently the whole thing Is that like where are these chiefs at? Yeah, where are these guys at? Where they were like you have a picture of one like you have like Do I want to see their punch card from the local coffee shop if I told you they wouldn't be secret Yeah

Although the secret chiefs of course Blavatsky also had the hidden masters and she had the exact same problem With people saying I got a line into the hidden masters They told me that they don't want to talk to you anymore And they told me that if you say that you're talking to the hidden masters if you think that you're talking to the hidden masters You're not actually talking to the hidden masters. You're talking to somebody else. Yeah, because I do that. That's me That's me. I call them. You don't call them. I call them. Yeah, and they don't physically show up You just kind of have a feeling that they show up so you can just kind of say it that's just cool about magic Because you just make it the fuck up

You just say whatever and you just hopefully bunch of people and hats enough of them agree with you Yeah, playstation is better than all of this. I'm just happy that we have like video games and stuff now I mean, I would like to disagree with you, but the number of hours I've logged on my playstation Absolutely agrees with you. I know well supposedly the last person to try crossing the abyss was a canadian accountant named charles stanfield jones He claimed to have crossed successfully and he declared himself master of the temple in 1916 no, but was soon after arrested for walking naked through the streets of vancouver. Oh my god. He's like the guy from kony 2012 Yeah, I remember that you can't seem to separate the two being master of the temple and then walking down the middle of the street naked

in vancouver Because we saw a bunch of masters at the temple the last time we were in vancouver But charles stansfield jones was actually made in a basically a moon child ceremony with by alistair crowley He is supposed to be one of alistair crowley's illegitimate children, right? and so he was made by charge magical calm in a Actual what is the real homunculus ritual, which we'll get into later. He was made into one and That's kind of what happened to him. I'm not trusting a canadian wizard. I don't even trust a canadian accountant That's a bizarre. I think there it is wizardry accounting. Oh, you don't want to do a magic like that

Well, if you want to do magic the hard way, I guess you can go ahead and keep doing it like that But the point is parson's was using knowledge from other magical disciplines and applying it to his own practices Taking what he wanted and needed for his own purposes He wanted to make his own his own thing because after the babel on working He was really sick of like I guess working what walking the steps of his master So he was really trying at that point too. How do I be the legit new alistair crowley? Without all the trappings of alistair crowley's pr bullshit, you just didn't want to get gaped Yeah, well, I think that is part of it because he just wouldn't submit

But it technically he would not be able to be master of the temple without submitting that is the 10th level You're supposed to take it up the butt. Yes. That is the final level. That is what you're supposed to do Do they tell you that when you're in like level three or we get to level 10 they're like now bend over You show up at level you literally show up at level 10 at the exam And then a man dressed up as saladin Like literally a big arabian night guy shows up and you're supposed to You're supposed to give yourself over because that's what it is. It's the ego death of the man. Yeah Why are all these pineapples? What are the what are these going to be used for? You see we're making this also

It's the z new reveal. It's the z new It's like oh, you thought you were about to be in charge of air. Sorry buddy first things first Well z new. I mean at least it's kind of fun. You don't have to bleed from your asshole. Yeah I mean, I have a good time with it It's just difficult. But whatever you want to do honestly with z new you just bleed from the wallet Yes, that's the actually I think that's worse. Yeah, because that's all it'll heal You know, yeah, no, no my assault has been doing great for about a year now. Great So we longer he's incredible year year and a half. That's awesome. Yeah, I gotta see how the california air is gonna treat it

But I'm hopeful when you saw that you walk backwards a lot You know, actually, there's a big practice out here It's like they do believe that you show your butthole to the sun like an hour a day. It helps I've heard of this. Is that a thing? Yeah. Oh, yeah, actually it's becoming very big in the alt-right. What? Unfortunate. We'll talk about it later I can't keep up anymore. Um, but he put together his own like he looked at this ritual because he knew Alistair Crowley He did this and he said that he got this word because like so Babylon told him when he wrote the book of Babylon There was a thing in there where he talked about you're gonna do this black pilgrimage

And so he was like, this is what Babylon was talking about when I channeled her that I need to do this black Pilgrimage, which is something and only a couple other esoteric groups had like Like even had workings for because again, the whole point was if you succeed You become one with the universe and if not you become unrepentantly insane right a lot of a lot of risk A lot of risk quote-unquote But he put this together and he said that he created his own version what was called the great obligation Which is what Alistair Crowley wrote because Alistair Crowley's crossing the abyss was a 40 day walk across the desert Do you remember he in China?

And yeah, this he faced the demon Tarazan, but he was in the fucking like the circle and so Victor Neuburg watched from before It's that story where he he bottomed out for Victor Neuburg because this is earlier in his magician's career I know but I think when he said he finally crossed the abyss was when he was in china when he went there with his wife And he said oh, hey, I crossed the abyss. No, well, that's where he the ritual was done It took several but the ritual. Yeah was the 40 day walk He got gait. He you remember he fought himself as a demon in the circle. Yeah Victor Neuburg was that he was uh terrified of him. He was tempted by both like this woman that he had a crush on like He showed up naked

Basically becoming Bugs Bunny He's what he did and he loved it But he wanted to do his own thing and decidedly less sexy, but he wrote these great obligations So he started calling himself. Um, it was obviously belary on and several different words for the devil That was how he started to be this is his anti christ working Um i o m and c a member of the body of god here by bind myself on behalf of the whole universe Even as we are now physically bound under the cross of suffering that I will lead a pure life as a devoted servant of the order That will understand all things that I will love all things that will perform all things and endure all things

That I will continue in the knowledge and conversation of my holy guardian angel that I will work without attachment That I will work in truth that I will rely upon myself And that I will interpret every phenomenon as a particular dealing of god with my soul Which makes you a very paranoid person. Yeah, and uh, did you want to supersize that order? Of course I would I'm eating for our god today. That's good. That's good. We have a we have adult happy meals now I actually would prefer a sadness meal. Hmm. Is that just a bullet in a bottle of wine? Oh, I love that but he does he has all these like personal notes where he wants He's like he needs to be ridiculous in his observations, which he was and where did all those go?

We'll answer that soon. Uh, and then you're supposed to be neat. Did you say ridiculous? Hmm I'm gonna start doing I'm gonna work my way out of situations That's all you have to do I'm your slave Well, if we're looking at the human element here, it seems more like the purpose of jack parson's crossing the abyss It was kind of a way to make sense of how his life had so quickly fallen apart After he was destroyed by the psychological tornado that was el ron hubbard, right?

So he got he got robbed he lost his job He lost his chick and now he's just kind of alone searching because he lost his god also Yes, basically everything got destroyed and then because he did write a book He wrote this thing that he tried to what a lot of magicians do it's called the the manifesto Of the antichrist that's where it begins I'm gonna end zone the analysis of the master of the temple where he basically writes a bio of himself explaining Why all of these things happen to me? It's because I let them happen to me because I was chosen to be born in a certain consolation Conscious he recast all of his failures as successes. Okay, it's like everything happened

And everything leads up to this moment. I had to get be destroyed. I had this had to happen Well, you have to fail to succeed. Yeah, there's some truth to that I feel like you know what though? It's really a lot better succeed to succeed But it's not possible. Sometimes it is some people just do it. Michael Jordan. Yeah, he lost he lost But he won. We know him more from Michael Phelps. Mm-hmm. He lost to depression depression weed Michael B. Jordan Uh, he's actually done quite well. That's not saying he lost. No, he lost to the fantastic four. Oh interesting Michael Jackson never lost in his life

He lost his childhood, so he's asking everyone if you've seen it. Yeah damn if you really want to get depressed Uh, listen to that uh newly released audio recording of him on the phone talking about how uh, his father treated him Oh Listen to it. No, he's just like it's Uh, it's intense. He's like talking about getting hosed down Cover me in oil. They come and hit me with sweet. It was like a free but it's also in It's in Michael Jackson's voice saying the most harrowing shit you've ever heard in your life. Yeah, all right Well after the 40 days were done. He wrote the autobiography

But at the same time he also decided to define his libertarian principles in the aforementioned political tract Freedom is a two-edged sword. Y'all need to read that shit. It's beautiful Yeah, I bet in his tract. He not only espoused libertarianism He also responded to his treatment at the hands of the government denouncing the increasingly intolerant nature of post-war american society dance or culture I mean, he did make a bunch of bombs. Yeah, you know, he was feeling guilty. Yeah, I think so and in this Parsons was absolutely Correct in his reading of the situation when I say increasingly intolerant nature of post-war american society I mean, basically anybody who doesn't conform needs to get the boot. You go get it out

You gonna get it out But instead of suggesting say social or political reform Parsons maintained that the only way to solve intolerance Was with the arrival of babala. He's on brand. Yeah, okay, who would be quote good with the sword of freedom It's me People lying yeah, I feel like that's at the CPAC merch store This commemorative steven miller sword of freedom now only with three easy payments of 49 95 You can get this brilliant obsidian cleaver of human rights The Parsons actually seemed to be on a bit of a manic kick by the time he crossed the abyss

Soon after the ritual he contacted wilfred smith his old rival and mentor saying that he Parsons was the Antichrist Big deal jumping the shark, but I need a I need a conference with you buddy. Yeah He's still pumping gas on the weekends. Yep. He's the antichrist Pumping gas. Hey, that sounds like a fucking old-fashioned song. What's this but um The leaven brothers or the uh, the leaven brothers. Yeah, the leaven brothers Yeah, I could maybe I don't know leaven brothers like to go more old school with it They like to go very very old. It's more of a jerry jeff walker song. Okay, or maybe a john prine song. Yeah, it's a john prine song

Yeah, I'm just the antichrist. I'm just pumping gas It's that easy. It's simple man. Telling a simple story. Look at me bend over. You just look my ass All right, well, okay, you know, we need to we need to pair you with a guitarist Yeah, you need a lyricist like a guy who writes the book the libretto I know by the way the person who writes the lyrics more difficult than the actual singer But the uh, when we had a chance to go perform in grand rapids, I don't know I actually I can see his point on that writing a writing a song is much more difficult than singing a song I remember I did see the thing where Elton John can write songs off of like instruction manuals and stuff like he just like

And he only writes songs easy for him to write. I also learned that billy joel doesn't like we didn't start the fire Uh He said he didn't like the song because he came up with the lyrics first not the music But anyway, john prine's son listens to the show. Oh, hi. Hi Because we had a chance to uh perform in the same venue as they did no way remember in grand rapids, right? It was Todd Snyder and good work I love your father's music and I as does my father. My father's gigantic john prine. Absolutely fantastic I I will discover yours. Yeah. Yes. So we're done talking about john prine

Thank you We're using his magical alias ballerion anti christ. Thank you as henry had mentioned. Uh, actually it's dr. Ballerina anti christ I didn't go to 12 years of anti christ school to be called mr. Antichrist Parsons wrote a manifesto appropriately titled the manifesto of the anti christ Got it, which pitted him against the evil forces of the christian church Which both Parsons and Crowley they refer to it as the black brotherhood. What's weird is that? It was so unpopular to go against the catholic church at the time period that it was actually catholic church Or just the entirety of christianity according to them. It's catholicism. That was like the big bad

That's the big bad. But yes christianity applies it is all applied But the black brotherhood actually had to be like discerned by allegory Hmm, right because they were they were like he never said it that it was the church because technically he used a lot of like Christian imagery in his spell workings, right? So is the anti christ. He's good. Yeah, that's how he sees if you think well It's not the cry. Yeah, but anti christ is about trying to create a movement that is going to take us away from organized religion Yeah, yeah, that's how we saw the anti christ is the harbinger of a new era, which in you know women wear pants Yeah, you know, I'm starting to think we maybe need to get rid of this disorganized religion

Seems like everyone's lost their fucking minds. Yeah, so maybe we need to organize a religion again We definitely need to organize it again. Yeah. Yeah, but all of these people they lost the organization They lost their fucking minds. They do they really actually do need that We organize religion reorganize. Yeah, that's right. Well while all this does sound goofy Parsons was using all this imagery to make some damn good points Well, you know, he's also again, it is good. It is goofy, you know, I get I feel the vibes I know if I do try to describe this to my father I mean, he just walked away for me. Yeah, I know that but to them it was very real

Well, he felt that the political witch hunts of the red scare were quote symptomatic of the authoritarianism inherent in the judaeo-christian values that underpinned the whole country a belief system That upheld racism and the subjugation of women and persecuted free thought. Yeah, very good. Get with it dog I'm with it. It's free. It's forward-thinking stuff in 1949. Yes But put nicely if we're given Parsons the benefit of the doubt here magic was pretty much the only thing he had left And he'd built his entire life to revolve around magic and magical thoughts So he can be excused for mixing in good points with stuff that might be a little difficult to swallow And the book sex at Rockets by John Carter. It is a pro loves a beloved letter to jack Parsons

But even they at the very end are like so science. He had a lot of success. Um in magic We all love him Like we've loved his energy, but he technically was one of the least successful Magicians of all time Yeah, we say that this is a story of a student and he is technically a good student But I don't know if he would have graduated magna cum laude. I don't know I get I still feel like if he had some rearing up in a different generation, who knows maybe it's like John Starks With the New York Knicks one of my favorite player of all time. Not very good. Yeah, what Starks is your favorite player

Interesting. John Starks really why shooting guard? He says he's not good, man Came out of nothing dude made something out of his life. Well, he had flashes of greatness But then he didn't sleep before game seven against the Rockets and then he went like two for 25 and then they lost See, this is how we keep it equal. Yeah, I said he can tell us something that he knows You can tell I look at you just told us. I didn't know who that was. John. It's great. Great shooting guard Yeah, I know John Starks. It's as surprising as a favorite though. Yeah I used to argue he was better than Jordan and I was wrong But by 1949 two years after the Babylon working and jack's subsequent break with L Ron Hubbard

Parsons finally gathered himself and got to work regaining his security clearance time to get back to work once again Okay in court Parsons both denied affiliation with communism and defended the OTO Calling his magical order a non political religious organization Which is also kind of funny because he had to send a big letter of resignation to Alistair Crowley leaving the OTO because he was so over it because he said you weren't doing the real workings anymore Now I'm gonna do it and then that's why he Did a 12 day ritual where he prayed every day and then looked at a thing called the Antichrist and masturbated as much As he could and then nothing that

Happened very common but he called himself master of the temple at the end of it But then again the Alistair Crowley said it wasn't legit because he didn't actually pass the test. This is McCarthy era. Yeah No This is Prima because McCarthy's like mid 50s 54 something like that. No, this is 49 This is a little bit before that. Okay, and but back and so they didn't really have any they didn't even know what a communist really was I feel like at the time they had a clearer vision of what a communist was and we even do now I feel like that then they like it was like it was happening, right? But it was almost like the witch trials in Salem because they'd be like, well, you had a party and there was a shakuta report

Yeah, we think you might be a communist. Yeah Would just throw random like if you were gay you're a cop. Yes. Yeah. Well, they kind of started from the Inside out where they started with these defense contractors They started with the scientists the people that were inside like the defense department and in the government They started with them by the time it got to McCarthy. That's when it got out to all of us. Oh, yeah Let's go after fucking Dalton trumbo. Like who gives a shit. He read screenplays. He wrote Spartacus Are you really gonna fuck with this guy who wrote Spartacus? Then it really shows that the u.s government started implanting themselves in the hollywood system

Use the hollywood system as a mouthpiece for their ideals, which is that was a thing at the time That's not even a conspiracy. No, it's not a conspiracy at all. That's Ronald Reagan fucking he tattled He turned coat on so many people. I know when they tried to unionize so did whole kogan That's why jessie ventura doesn't like him. Yeah ventura tried to unionize hogan snitched him out Ronald Reagan named names that motherfucker. Yeah, he named that monkey like three times Bonzo, bonzo, bonzo goes to bitburr. Isn't that great? I think it's early on said Alzheimer's Who? What? A Parsons also tried to move on from Marjorie Cameron. He began seeing an Irish woman named Gladys Gohan

And moved from the home he'd shared with Marjorie to new digs at Redondo Beach Reportedly when friends during this time would ask how his wife was He'd trolly say quote. She's in Mexico getting divorced Uh, wait the the irish chick No, his wife the other Marjorie the other one. They're not officially broken up. No, there's some there in Mexico It sounds like getting a divorce She's having a great time. Yeah, she was having a really good time. Yeah, she was getting bowled out in a fucking artist commune While he was sitting here being like

He was And indeed divorce proceedings were well underway uh as the 40s became the 50s That must have been controversial in itself makes him a communist But even though Parsons was actively trying to clear his name in return to defense work The FBI was not quite satisfied with the testimony of jack Parsons and Parsons in turn wasn't doing a good job of keeping his nose clean No, because he was a fucking he's the sword man. He's babel on sword dog. Okay See Parsons in true libertarian form. He did whatever he wanted to do using his own principles as a guiding light That's the whole thing man. It's like an outdoor cat

All right But in doing this jack ignored the fact that the rest of the world did not play by his libertarian rules Or should I say his lack of rules? Yeah, and that's how he almost got charged with espionage. It seems to happen a lot How the hell did that happen? Was he leaking documents? Well Well, see when very presidential of him Mahalo, man. Yeah, absolutely did see when Parsons briefly re-entered the scientific workforce He got connected with an organization called the american technion society

The american technion society was providing technical and weapon knowledge to israel Which was then a little less than a year old brand new israel. Oh nice that new israel smell Yeah, dude. They've had some cool weapons for a long time. Oh, yeah, they got that dome. Oh, yeah But at the same time Parsons also got a job working on chemical plant design and construction at the Hughes aircraft company owned by Howard Hughes So Parsons figured it since he'd worked on this stuff. This is my stuff. This is my stuff I'm working on it. It's okay to give it to whoever I want. It's just stuff Uh-oh again, it's an idea. All right. It's a piece of paper good or bad. No, it's a file Good or bad. Yeah, right

And so he handed the work he did for Hughes over to the american technion society who handed it to israel Yeah, so he's sort of like accidentally kind of became like he started Which kind of working for the massage and he didn't know that He got he got a hair spread the way from uh giving state secrets to another country He just did that thing. Yeah, very very clue of him This of course drew the communism was a red herring. Oh, I love that movie This of course drew the heavy attention of the FBI. Yeah. Yeah, and jack was quickly fired after making a powerful enemy in Howard Hughes Who is a virulent anti-semite? I feel I don't know if he is in our

Our wheelhouse, but I would be fascinated to do something on Howard Hughes. He's a weirdo of the highest order I like it. I like it. I like him, but you know, I like like the story. He's the story Super super anti-semitic super racist. He's got a whole thing going on But if you wear like that tissue boxes on his foot, I don't link him I'm just saying I like the concept of him shuffling around with all like the long fingernails and stuff It's fun man. I can find you a guy who keeps guards of his own urine. I can find you that guy Are you about to point it yourself? And the guy is He's got two thumbs and keeps guards of his own urine

Yeah, he's pretty cool But this episode in jack's life did have a positive effect Once marjorie Cameron heard about jack's troubles with the FBI She returned from mexico to give the marriage another shot. That's nice. Well, maybe she was turned on by espionage Perhaps they stopped divorce proceedings and moved back to Pasadena just one block away from the former site of the parsonage Now parson's was starting to realize that he probably wasn't going to get his security clearance back anytime soon if ever Yeah, that'll give him a government secret. It's light espionage. Okay, so he started working at powder companies again And by 1951 he'd set up shop right here in north hollywood with his own

Explosives business and called it the parson's chemical manufacturing company. Is that fun? What do they do there? They made fucking booms. Yeah, man. They did it for the they did it for finally an innocent group of people vaguely innocent They did it for hollywood. That's great. They did it for show business. They manufactured explosives pyrotechnics fog effects specialization though squibs. Yeah, no kid. Yeah, the little things that make Yeah, man, they make gunshot wounds look realistic. Oh my god. Have you guys seen the set of that movie rust? They had some of the best squibs of all time So realistic And I can't you believe it. Uh, have you seen terrifier 2 yet? I have not it's honestly, it's it's it's fine

It's fun. Um, but the they finally brought back juicy squibs That's the thing is that there's never gonna be a better squib in cinematic history No one is ever gonna top the board room scene in robocop when ed 209 fills that fucking dude I agree. Also juicy squibs are gonna be performing at the paramour this weekend Yes, you're gonna love them I'm doing it now. I'm doing it for him. Are you doing it? Yeah, well at the same time parson's returned to the groovy lives

Hosting parties for the beat generation crowd that looked at parson's as somewhat of an old man even though parson's was only in his mid 30s See parson's he's still rocking out the classical music. Yeah, you know, he's like in the violins He's getting all weird with it. Well, that's what he likes because that's what he is just ritual music Yeah, but yeah, but the cool kids They're in a jazz. Oh, yeah Remember that It's really like Billy Elliot. Yeah, Billy Eilish. Maybe The Billy Elliot was that movie about the Irish boy who danced on his horse. Again, it's Billy Holliday

It's Billy Holliday. She was I think that was the one that was Jimi Hendrix's nanny. Oh, maybe Maybe I don't know. I can say whatever Maybe you're thinking a slash Well, they looked at parson's these new cool kids they looked him as an old foggy He's still wearing a suit vest and tie every single day. He's a bit of a pre-war relic What the fuck are they wearing? You know, like fucking shirts. They're wearing like, you know, turtlenecks. Yeah, it's charlie parker, man. Yeah

Those turtlenecks are pretty hip. He was revolutionary at the time. They didn't know that a shirt could extend up to the chair But parson's parties, there was still a good time charlie parker came once Yeah, and then you've probably fucked marjorie. Yeah, probably Well, seemingly infused with a new energy parson's even formed his own religion Perhaps as a response to the increasing popularity of dianetics Yeah, he was getting there was a little bit of jealousy in it because like because dianetics hit hard Yeah, it did and dianetics is making a lot of money $600 for the first course of dianetics and that's in like 1952 money. It's a lot of money. Yeah

And jack thought that he needed something to replace the indirection that compromised the otl Which is hilarious because it's actually very directed. It's very directed. He just wanted to do something else He wanted something simpler But the other thing the other side of that is that that whole like every man and woman is a star thing that tends to get That tends to keep ship from getting done sometimes. Yeah, it is like hurting cats But it is but at the same time what he was trying to do was what he thought that in a way What elron which we brought up a little bit last episode is that he took the arcane highly intense rituals right because I didn't cover good the full detail of like how these rituals are done because I think it

Makes a lot of people go to sleep. Yeah, I think they don't like to hear it No, but what it is is days and days and days of role-playing like it literally it's like you memorize pages of these like long tomes and stuff It does sort of seem in a way what jack Parsons was doing was a proto proto version of chaos magic at this point Where he wanted was to strip it away because he said that in his mind LRH with Scientology was already stripping away A lot of the super ornate ritual shit and trying to get to quote-a-quote the core which was for LRH giving him money But for jack Parsons, he's like I want to put the tools of magic to ruin other people's lives Like it ruined my but I want to put those tools into other people's hands and I'm gonna do it like sleek I'm gonna strip it down

Well, his religion would be created for a modern spirit He wanted it to have a an austere simplicity of approach. That'll be fun. Make it super simple That's what he wanted. He wanted it Simple trying to make his iPod Yeah, although I'm not entirely sure that he achieved this goal based on the religion's description Hmm mostly jack's religion was a combination of Crowley's teachings and the Babylon prophecy that Parsons had created himself But mixed in was a horror novel Called darker than you think which is a great name for a horror novel. Sure. Did you get to read any of it?

I did not I got to read I got to read the synopsis of it It was published first as a novella in one of jack sci-fi digest and was later It was so popular that it was expanded to a novel Darker than you think is a werewolf novel that tells a secret history of humanity It's cool actually sweet in which mankind and werewolves have been locked in a hidden battle for hundreds If not thousands of years and also the werewolves can sometimes turn into other animals depending There are other types of where there's where pigs and that's fun I want to be a werepig

You already are Every time I want to know where kissle goes, I just go a werepig a werepig and then I hear him Wink wink Yeah, it's christmas time too, isn't it? It is yes Well in this world and the world of darker than you think medieval witch hunts were actually a means of protecting mankind from werewolves And the modern skepticism towards witchcraft is an attitude deliberately fostered by hidden werewolves As a way to gain a quote-unquote breathing spell for a counter attack. It's very pulpy. The book's very pulpy It's really fun. It's like I I read about 50 pages of it. It was like it's cool. You can find it on the internet archive

I love the werewolves. No, I do too. Yeah fun little fun little creatures They are and it's fun to work werewolves into a religion. Why not? Of course mix it up anyway Yeah, have fun with it. Yeah, and the novel is apparently amazing based on the reviews I read and I'm glad Henry I'm glad that you enjoyed as well. No and Parsons was apparently first drawn to it because of the story's description Of a scarlet haired woman riding a great beast Which was of course supposed to be the in game of the babel I'm working But the idea is that we each have a werewolf inside of us. We're trying to release That's what that is. The werewolf is this is the primal energy that we're trying to get to by eating nut butter and raw liver and

And being natty Being natty at natty requires a natural natural like natty light No, no natural like not on steroids like the liver king. Yeah, I am doing a liver king Like and it's my thing. What's the liver king liver king eats a bunch of liver and then he's like that's why I got all buff But it turns out he spent almost 12 grand a month on steroids. Yeah, he lied about not being on steroids. I see But using the elements of this werewolf novel along with what he learned from Crowley and what he created himself Parsons created a religion called the witchcraft Which a cool name for a religion that is cool and he brought and he priced a basic course of instruction

Ten bucks. Oh, that's fine. That's all you need for the secrets of the universe cheaper than dianetics Yeah, unfortunately though the witchcraft never got a chance to take off Even though jack's life was starting to level out by the early 50s The fbi finally dropped their investigation into Parsons Concluding that while he was certainly a fruitcake to use the parlance of the times. Oh, yeah fun 1950s term Yeah, he was not a communist But the damage had already been done the eccentricities that were excused during the war became liabilities in the 1950s When the existence of all grooviness was threatened by the levittown brand of conformity

Whatever man Therefore jack security clearance to work on dod classified information and or material was forever revoked revoked And so Parsons decided He's got a clear his head. He does. Oh, yeah, man. It's difficult. I hope he doesn't do it with a fucking shotgun Well, you might do it with nitroglyceran Well, he and marjorie plan to move to mexico for a few months where parsons said he might grow grapes to make brandy It's incredible or he might build a pyramid to quote Reestablish the ancient glory and they know anything about my sweet magicians

I think once you get to that first level of pyramid, you're gonna be like god Maybe let's get to the grapes. Yeah, maybe just go with the grapes. Yeah You make wine out of those or just eat them But on the very day that parsons and marjorie were planning to leave jack got a phone call from a company called the special effects corporation They specialized in in special effects They needed a rush order on a batch of explosives before jack left and jack figured why the hell not I had some time if I worked quickly and who couldn't use a bit of extra cash before an extended vacation It seems like something you don't want to rush. Uh, he went I feel like that he was distracted. Yeah. Yeah, but so

Now when it came to explosives jack was what you'd call a collector His storage space included cartons of nitroglyceran Trinitro benzene And a substance known as pern Which is apparently one of the most powerful explosives in existence. Okay, I could better get that box of that out of my If I could remember my bed, I don't know without what I'm just gonna put it by all these candles and matches and see what happens I see and this is in addition to all of the other stuff whose properties were only known to jack Historic but like other you know scientists and people that were into this type of shit

They'd go in there and they look at all this and they're like what the fuck is all this shit. He goes. That's my family That's my family But he also uh, he might have been doing a little bit of like light arm stealing as well Like there's so there's some story You guys are really kind of white wash and all the I haven't heard about this. This seems like one of those Zabrowski exaggeration They basically said that one of these good friends were like there was a period time like how was he getting his money?

Like it was because in between jobs, they were like, thank you. We might have been selling nitroglyceran A bunch of people. I mean he's got a bunch of it. That's a thing. Yeah, he's got it. Yeah closer than we are to tell it And there it's like I don't think they're all like the clock and the candlestick and beauty and the beast If they're not exploding they don't serve any purpose How many times he comes home and he's just like it's like they're all just sitting there like Just here gathering dust. Yeah, indeed. Also, they can't they made them gay, huh the candlestick a little offensive. I thought What the candlestick Uh-huh, they made them gay. Where in beauty and the beast. Okay the cartoon. Why is that offensive?

Yeah, what are you talking about flame? Oh, because the flamer I just don't that's a long road to walk my friend I've talked about this for a decade You can you can archive how I've defended or said that's a little inappropriate Actually, I could have I vaguely remember a roundtable episode in which there was no the original Lumiere was a pussy hound Your rich Lumiere was fucking them the mop. I don't know. I don't know the duster The duster wasn't fucking Angela Lansbury wasn't fucking the teapot. No, I mean honestly, and that's sad

Yeah, she should have fucking she just died. Yeah, she did. I know. It's nice. I loved her. I loved her Well, as I said, the trip down to Mexico was supposed to be an extended stay. So jack had emptied out his explosive storage space at the special effects corporation And he'd moved carton upon carton of highly volatile materials in cardboard boxes to the laundry room of his house What is happening? He's a crazy person And it was in that laundry room full of explosives Using a tin coffee can as a mixing bowl because he had no beakers or flasks on hand to properly do the job That's where jack Parsons decided to fill a rush order of explosives. This isn't good. No

But jack and marjorie weren't planning on leaving their house empty They'd already had friends move in to take over the lease while they were gone Those friends probably weren't fully aware of what jack was storing in the laundry room when they agreed to move in Definitely not. Yeah, but regardless at 5 p.m. That day one of those friends saw jack Rushing around the laundry room pouring explosive liquids from one test tube to the other and putting the results in an oven While he waited around for his concoctions to coalesce sexy guy I guess so and reportedly one of these friends said to Parsons for god's sakes jack Don't blow us up and to this Parsons maniacally laughed and said

Ha ha ha. Don't worry about it. I'm a little bit worried about Well, you saying that actually makes me worry about it more. What about my maniacal laughter? Does it make you feel comforted? It'll be fine It's not often that you get to say famous last words and actually mean them They were famous last words. That's the last words. Parsons said to anyone What yes eight minutes later two almost simultaneous blasts blew off the doors of the laundry room Broke the windows collapsed the ceiling frames and stripped the walls of plaster

And when the smoke cleared the first people on the scene saw jack Parsons in a pool of blood Missing an arm and the left side of his face. Yeah, man. He's too face. Yeah, you're gonna want that part of it Yeah, yeah, I was like having both parts It helps it helps but incredibly Parsons was still alive when the ambulance loaded him up Even though his right arm was so thoroughly blasted off that it was never found. Oh, hear me out. How am I doing guys? Reportedly jack struggled to say something on the ambulance ride, but no one could understand what he was trying to say Oh missing the face thing. Yeah So

It's very scary can't make fun of the victim. He's a victim of explosive He blew himself up. You see my tongue? He's just like holding his legs it's like which one's left which one's right And so by the time Parsons reached the hospital, he was pronounced dead at the age of 37 The jack's mother Ruth was actually supposed to go on the mexico trip with jack and marjorie And jack and marjorie had actually been living with Ruth in the lead up to their departure But when jack's mother heard of jack's death, she swallowed a bottle of sedatives with a liquor chaser The only people around were other old people. They weren't quick or strong enough to stop her dude

She he was shows her roommate was an invalid. I think that was the term at the time I don't know if he used that term anymore, but it was a bed-bound woman, right? She couldn't move. She just whatever oldest buck And she apparently just watched in horror as she choked down these pills and then just died in front of her just going hip hip Well, no one did anything But they're also their closeness is why there was also sort of like weird incest rumors about jack parson's and his mother

Because they were but then I didn't find anything else about that. I think that's slander Yeah, I don't know where you found this claim that jack Yeah, he found this claim that there was a picture of jack parson's and his mother having sex with a dog Yeah, it's a bunch of shit. It's just like it's all over man. Yeah You must really search for that. Yeah Yeah, it's gonna it's called research bite. Okay, it's called production. It's fine. I'm out there man I'm out in these fucking streets. I appreciate all the research Well marjorie Cameron, meanwhile seemed to be more single-minded when she heard about jack's death

She was more concerned with the three pounds of weed sitting in her house That's like she did the thing that she I mean, I can't even name names It reminds me a very specific person in our past that like comes to the house. It's all exploded in the first thing She's like, oh no the weed Oh, fuck it's the the weed because she has her run again I mean that's just you know, he is crying You're in a real jail Yeah, that's what she was she was less concerned about the weed and more concerned about what would happen if the gaggle of

Investigators who were showing up to house what would happen if they found the weed because also it's like to be honest It's three pounds of weed. I know But I also want to say Cameron listen the house is also full of explosives I think they are going to also maybe have a thing to say about the fact that he has been Storaging just fucking piles of nitroglycerin that illegal. How is this a crime? It was illegal. It was highly illegal He just got investigated for espionage So Cameron called her friend Julie and told her to bring the largest purse she had This old-fashioned way to do it, man

And the two women were able to bypass a hoard of cops and FBI agents With three pounds of weed stuffed into their purses and clothes. It's like the end of Goodfellas. Yeah It's like one of those two especially because it's so it's just so crazy like so much just happened And they lived this loosey goose life for so long. It's just it's just you know, obviously it's spun everybody out Yeah, I wonder how good that weed was. It's probably pretty mid. I've heard mixed things I've heard mixed things about old weed some people say it's stronger now Some people say that it was better than There's no way it was better. There's no no way for my personal taste. It was certainly better than I love weed

In the 90s. Well, I liked I miss regs sometimes You can get them I can get you fucking regs man. You get me regs. Yeah for a bro. Fuck yeah, bro Living in california. No, we don't got to keep this shit a secret when you talk openly weed I think we've been talking openly about weed for quite a year. We're like two decades Yeah, I get by you about bags of shake. All right, cool bags of shake loving it getting into it getting back into weed Oh, I'll I'll get you my favorite pre-rolls. You can try them out. Thank you. Are you a sativa or indica guy? Oh, I'm a sativa man. You want to you ever tried crack?

I don't know, you know, california. I'm still not in california marcus. I don't know if that works marcus california Maybe la marcus hollywood marcus. Hollywood marcus. Yeah, hollywood parks, but then that's just a park in hollywood That's the hollywood parks System hence the crack. I like hollywood marcus. Let's go for mahalo man mahalo. Absolutely Now the investigation to the explosion found residue of mercury fulminate in a shredded coffee tin It's assumed that parson's have been using the coffee tin to mix the mercury fulminate Because jack's friend had seen parson's using a coffee tin earlier because that's the thing is that some of his friends are like Oh jack parson's he was too meticulous. He would never use anything like that, but no

It was like a friend a woman actually saw him like mix and shit in a coffee tin. It's like, yeah, I don't have my beakers Don't have anything here. I'm just having this coffee. That's also how he invented the fucking jato Like it's how he did it. Yeah, they're all just making it up as they went Well, it's thought that jack may have accidentally dropped the tin and tried to catch it before it hit the ground But when he whiffed it the tin exploded when it hit the floor because mercury fulminate is highly volatile Yep, you ever seen breaking bad? Of course. I've seen some episodes there I watched the last episode and I watched the whole thing in reverse. He turns out to be a great teacher Um, he died he died a nerd's death. This is like the nerdiest way to die

I actually don't think so. I think the nerdiest the way to die is to choke on a protractor I think this is actually a very I'm like this is a cool way to die. Oh my beaker Yeah, if you would have caught it, you would be alive. I don't want to die in a goof him up I don't want to. I I'm so afraid that my last word is going to be oh Yeah, no, I just don't want my last words to be wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait No, I don't want that But if you seen breaking bad first season episode two

Remember when Walter White comes in and he's got that bag and he throws it down on the ground and it blows all the windows out, it convinces Tuko, that's Mercury fulminate. Yeah, science. Yeah, and that's the thing is that Mercury fulminate, he might have been able to survive that blast. You know, it did, of course, blow his arm off, and it did, you know, it blasts off half of his face. Yeah, but we got boys on the, you know, fighting in the wars that had the same shit happen to them, and we patched them up. But the problem is that the laundry room was filled with explosives. Yeah, right.

It was all the other explosives. So when the Mercury fulminate went off, all the other explosives went off almost immediately after. It's the Looney Tunes. Yeah, yeah. You think Mercury is still gonna, like... No, his job... Let's just sit on my face, just one last time, please, guys. That his jawbone was exposed, his teeth were exposed, he's all fucked up.

That, however, is the accepted version of the story. The one put forth by the authority. Lame stream media want you to think that that's what happens, the fact that he was also very clumsy. Yeah. Well, true to a man of Jack's reputation, his death in the years since has become shrouded in the shadow of both multiple conspiracy theories and the possibility that his death was a case of magic gone wrong. I mean, I think it's exactly what he would have wanted. Yeah, it really is. His death just became another mystery for other people with the decipher.

You say conspiracy theory, how did they somehow blame the Jews for it? Hmm, we'll get to it. Because every conspiracy theory... You actually mean the term merchant, which I read in the group in the book about the Saturn death cult. If anyone's in conspiracy theory, they always just end that way. Well, actually, this one, are the Jews involved? Yes, they are. They are involved, but not as the perpetrators.

No, thank God. Yeah, of course, the FBI file surrounding the investigation to Jack's death is heavily redacted. That is interesting of itself. That's very interesting. And that leads some to believe that he might have been killed by any number of people or organizations, mostly for political reasons. Some think that Jack Parsons was killed by Howard Hughes as revenge for handing over company secrets to the Israelis. Because as I said earlier, Hughes was a well-known anti-Semite. And relatedly, some think Jack Parsons was murdered by anti-Zionists who killed anyone who was even tangentially involved with the state of Israel.

So involved, so yes, part of the conspiracy theory, but not the perpetrators of the conspiracy theory. I say drop the hate. Yeah, wow. Drop the hate. Wow, you heard of your first word, love. There were even rumors that Parsons was killed in a revenge-served cold, stimming from his testimony years before that had put away LAPD officer, that had put away LAPD police chief Earl Kainat, who had, if you'll remember, tried to assassinate a fellow officer in a car bombing to cover up corruption. And that's actually the one of all of them that I think that could have been a thing.

It's that one, but I don't know. Possibly. That reminds me of when the Flesh Bot Awards, I gave the Best Mainstream to Porn Award to China, the WWE wrestler, and she went on YouTube that night. And she said, Vance, holding the silver dildo I gave her, Vance to Vince McMahon, revenge is a dish best served cold. And she held up the silver dildo, the big dildo. Why, because the dildo was itself cold? Yeah. Well, I don't know, because she was like, Vance, I made it.

I got a porn award. It was a cold night. It was a cold night. It was a night in February. It should have been hot because her, didn't she want her vagina to be like wet and receiving? I don't know exactly what happened. I mean, I don't know. I'm just being a backseat.

There's a smuggling, there's a movie about smuggling. Her clit was quite large. Oh, I remember. Yeah, she was on the juice. I love her. She wasn't Natty. No, not Natty. But in an explanation of suspicion that smacks a bit of building seven, the reason why most

people at least entertain the idea that Parsons was assassinated, that's because a chemical engineer named George Santmeyers said that the explosion could have only come from beneath the floorboards. It's the more the way. That's the more the possible way. It could have come from anything else. Do explosions, thumb and thumb and that's right. Displosions just come from the sky.

Yeah. You say a missile. Sure. Let's just say anything else. I just. Hey, fuck you. I'm the expert. Fuck you.

Fuck you, buddy. All right. Because explosions only come from the ground up. Because they're like potatoes. All right. They come up like carrots. All right. That's what comes on the ground.

It's explosions to carrots. All right. I ain't got time for this. Are you oppressing me, buddy? The room is full of explosives. Yeah. But he says it could only come from beneath the floorboards. But what about the room full of explosives?

But the first explosion, not the second explosion, the room full of explosives. That's the second explosion. When he's like this, he's being very un-mahalo. All right. Now I'm using this like a weapon. It's my two-edged sword. I know it is. But that's the thing.

A lot of this doesn't make any practical sense. First of all, it's a pretty piss-poor operation that waits until the day before Jack moves to Mexico to blow him up using a Byzantine plan to lure him into his laundry room with a last-minute explosives order from the Special Effects Corporation, which would have required the involvement of multiple witnesses. You fucking simp. I can't even believe this fucking guy after all these years. Who am I simping for right now?

The U.S. government. All right. Because when it comes down to it, of course they would choose the most highly unlikely, nay, impossible way to kill him because truth stranger than fiction. Oh, I see. I don't know why they would. Truth stranger than fiction. It can be.

It always. It always is. It's not always. It's not always. The second, if you wanted to kill Jack Parsons, wait a day until he's in Mexico. You do it quickly and quietly. You also could have just shot him in the head. Yeah, in Mexico.

Yeah, and you definitely are going to have laced his drugs with shit or any of his stuff or anything. Yeah, Charlie Parker kind of got it in there because he was on so many heroin, you know, you could have told me he was a saxophone. He had no fucking clue. Absolutely. Hit him with a guitar. All of this seems much more covert than using a massive explosion on Millionaires Row in

Pasadena that very well could have killed dozens of people had the conditions been just a little different. That was to send a message. Oh, that was a message. About what? About what? About what? About jazz.

About jazz. About jazz. To who? That's not even going to answer. The audience can see it, but I'm giving you the, hmm. Yeah. They give me the, hmm. You also didn't, but you didn't explain what the is because the audience can't allegory.

They know. Discover decipher. Yeah, but when it comes to allegations of magical ritual gone wrong, this is more where the human element comes into play. See, some say that Parsons had accidentally summoned a fire demon, but it's all in his writings, right? The book of Babylon says that, you know, he's going to die in flame. He talked about being blown away.

You remember quotation marks, winky wink, right? Fire demon. If that's true. Why was not true? Let's entertain the idea of a fire. A little more mahalo right now, because you're being very mahalo fire demon. Yeah. But let's say that's true.

Why was it? It's not true. Let's just say pre-supposed pre-supposed world where all of this is real. Okay. But that's true. Why was he summoning anything on his way out of town and he had a last minute explosives or. It's about time management.

It's about time management. It's not thinking about the issue because he has a vacation. Why would he summon the fire demon that's totally real if he has a vacation coming up? Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Because again, that's not logical at all. That's fucking brilliant guys. That is hours of research. I know. I mean it man. Hours of research. I read four books. I read four books.

I made production calls. I know. I know. It's a lot of research. It's a four parter. Yeah man. All right. Yeah.

To that same point. Right. Others in the magical community, they said that Parsons was trying to create a monkey. It's real. Okay. Do you know what a monkey is? I don't know what a monkey is. It's a tiny version of yourself.

All right. It's a little. It's you trying to make a Barbie version of yourself. I'm so angry. They'll hold six hours of show. Six hours of show. Yeah. No.

It's big. It's big. Those are things of the whole thing. Sideways. See, according to the alchemical writings of Paracelsus, correct, which were kindly summarized in the Wikipedia entry on homunculi. Disgusting that you would do that. You would truncate the reading like that.

Okay. Now, there's a piece of stuff that's really ridiculous. The ficulose can be made by putrefying one's own semen in a sealed gourd. Like that Timothy Chamolama ding dong move. Yeah. Preferably you want to use a cacurbit if you want to do it right. And you're going to keep it for 40 days at the temperature of a horse's womb. And eventually.

Which is just a nice. It's like San Diego? Yeah, I'm assuming it's probably 98 to 100 degrees. It's about 100 degrees. A kerb bed is a melon. Yeah, it's a melon. It's a gourd. It's a gourd.

Okay, so you come inside of a gourd, you put it inside of a horse's womb. No. No, you treat it like it was. You keep it at the temperature of a horse's womb. And then eventually the cum will come to life. And you feed it for human blood for 40 weeks, always keeping it at the even temperature of a horse's womb. And then, after 40 days, a tiny little version of yourself.

Hey, everybody. Hey. Hey, how you doing? You guys like jazz? I don't. I like fast commuting. I'm a dick. Remember Little Penny?

Little Penny. Oh, yeah. Little Penny. It's him. Yeah. Yeah. That's a homunculus created from Penny Hardaway's cum. No idea.

No idea. Yeah. According to the secret rituals of the OTO, which is a book that like breaks down the symbolic meaning of a homunculus, right? Is that partially what you're supposed to do against spiritual revolution, right? He's not maybe making a direct actual carbon little tiny person version of him because even though that would be cute, it would be kind of fun because it wouldn't be kind of fun, right?

You're having sex with Carolina. Yeah. I'm putting this on your head. Put it on me. Put it on me. You're having sex with Carolina, right? Yeah. But then you have a little tiny you that can jump around, play with her butthole.

Huh. Like, well, you're in the front, right? Yeah. I'm in the front. Or maybe, or he's doing, or he's working the, he's working the corners. He's doing whatever he wants to do. Yeah. But he's there because he's your husband.

He's also her husband. Yeah. I know, but he's still going to do what he wants to do. Yeah. Of course. Well, how would you feel with a tiny little version of myself, I would ask her how she felt about it first. Oh, yeah.

I forget about her. I forget that she should be included. I would first have a conversation about... You pull up a little Marcus, be like, Marcusini once in, right? And be like, I don't know if I want Marcusini in me tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I'm guessing she's going to say no. Probably no. Yeah. I'm probably... A little penny on the other hand. I'm going to say no to the fetus until it is at three months.

Okay. And so up until three months, you can do magical workings and replace the ego of the fetus with anything that you want, anything, any kind of elemental imagery. I'm going to pay you. Yeah. But it is that. And then you cycle it out and then you give birth to a child. This is what Elsa Crowley did.

Okay. Great. Yeah. Well, I'll go home and I'll ask my wife. I'll ask Caroline. I would love an update. I'll ask her about it. Remind me to give you an update next week.

I'll call her tonight. I'll figure it out. I'm going to ask her. Good. Because I don't want to speak for her. Now call me crazy. Okay. You're crazy.

You did it. But it seems like the death of Jack Parsons involved just a bit more heat than a horse's womb. And besides, it would have been odd for Parsons to rush his homunculus before going out of town because it's not like you had a plan to catch. He's just, he's leave the next day. If my homunculus isn't done yet, let's leave on Thursday. I hate rushing my homunculus.

Absolutely. I hate my time. This is my homunculus time. Yeah. I don't know, what did he need to rush it for before he went to Mexico? Did they need something fun in the car to play with? I knew it. It would be kind of cute.

Yeah. Did you play basketball with a football as a child? Me or Jack Parsons? You. No, I played football with a football. Yeah. He played football. I was at all district.

Yeah. Him and Crowley, wide receivers. No, more like a tight end. I played safety and running back, my friend. I could actually see you've been a great running back. I was actually much better running back than I was at safety. Absolutely. Yeah, I could see that.

Yeah. Well, really, if we're done with that. We are. The most likely explanation for Jack's death was put forth by his old friend Ed Foreman. And Ben, you might be right in saying that it was a nerd's death. You know why he died? Why? Sweaty hands.

Yeah, man. He had like clinically sweaty hands. He was like one of those dudes where he had to like, he would probably get a procedure now done to stop his sweaty hands. If you have that procedure done, you just sweat elsewhere. Yeah. It's not good. It's why he also goes somewhere.

They believe that Bruce Lee died of hydrosis that he was drinking too much water because he got laser treatment on his armpits because he didn't want, yes, that he didn't want. This is a theory, new theory, because he didn't want people to see pit stains when he was on film because he thought that it looked undignified. Oh, wow. That's horrible. It means nothing. I don't know if it's real.

I don't know. I don't know. All right. Well, usually Jack was meticulous in his work, but in using shitty equipment for a rush job, Jack's hands got slippery. Jack got himself killed. God dang. Now, sadly, Ed Foreman was sort of broken by Jack's death.

He was reportedly aggressive and withdrawn after his oldest friend was blown to bits. And Foreman claimed to have been visited years later by Jack Parsons spirit during one terrifying night driving alone in the desert. Are you going to come? Yeah. Marjorie Cameron, meanwhile, fell apart after Jack's death once the reality of the situation set in. And she lost her grip on reality completely.

She burned her possessions and claimed that she was the scarlet woman summoned from the Babylon working. Consequently, she was briefly institutionalized. Yeah. Once you start yelling about being an ancient Sumerian, like goddess thing, everyone gets all concerned. Yeah. Yeah.

And they would just institutionalize a lot of people. They did. They really would. Yeah. They really would. But once she gathered herself, just like Jack had done after he crossed the abyss, Cameron returned to California, got more interested in witchcraft and magic, and continued living the groovy life for the next 40 years.

Interesting lady. In addition to becoming a well respected creator of haunting paintings, Marjorie acted in a number of films directed by well-known felamite, Kenneth Anger. There is some, there's a view that she gave him the, all of the stuff, like gave him, like showed him Philemon. Yeah. Showed him Philemon. Philemon wrapped up with Charles Manson and Marjorie Cameron once claimed to have participated

in a reverse gang bang with Bob Hope after Bob Hope told her about that one time he saw UFO. I can't even think of Bob Hope with an erection. Yeah. Oh, I can. Yeah. Bob Hope. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You really think that he worked it? Oh, I think so. Bob Hope back in the day, dude? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember seeing my grandfather in his underwear, like they get old style, like boxer short, you know, there was like a full pant. Yeah. And he wore something about Bob Hope with those around his ankles and his USO hat on and his beard, like fluorescent pink. He was had a bunch of chicks gang bang him. Yeah. Yeah.

Marjorie and a couple of her friends, they showed up at Bob Hope's house one night. They started talking about UFOs before you knew it. Everyone's naked and Bob Hope's got the biggest smile on his face. That's awesome. And that is called the UFO fact. There. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

But no matter what Marjorie Cameron did, the presence of Jack Parsons haunted her, although she did seem to enjoy using Jack as a handy tragedy to hang her hat on. Well, it made her very mysterious. Yes. This, of course, led to problems, mostly from jealous lovers. See much of Jack's writings on magic, including his quote unquote magical box. They were destroyed in the explosion that killed them, but the surviving documents were entrusted to Marjorie Cameron, who wasn't what you'd call the most responsible archivist.

First a jealous lover destroyed Jack's magical diary because he wanted to replace Jack as Marjorie's magical partner, believing that she'd never get over Jack unless all vestiges of his memory were incinerated. He's dead. Who cares? The thing about if you're trying to have sex with a widow, you got to act like the husband was cool. I mean, if he loved the husband, we were like, ah, man, I wish Steve could see me banging

you. Like, I made love to love this cool guy. The rest of Jack's magical manuscripts and his occult library, they were entrusted to a public librarian. But since I suppose Marjorie didn't stress the importance of the collection, my brain just threw it all away. That's on the library and they should take everything seriously to be honestly a librarian. That's like kind of like the opposite of what librarians are trying to do.

Yeah, exact opposite. They're supposed to archive. Yeah. In the meantime, Marjorie was also key to our understanding of the Babylon working. She was contacted by Alistair Crowley's archivist and she was quite open about the ritual because of course fucking Elron Hubbard never talked about it. No. No, no, no.

He did. Well, Elron Hubbard. He stopped it. Yeah. He stopped it. Yeah. He stopped it. Remember, he stopped it.

He was sent there by the Navy. To rip up. To break up a black magic cult. Oh, yeah. And rescue a girl. Definitely. I'm pretty sure he knows what the magic is. Ask my father.

Uh-huh. By the 70s, Marjorie Cameron had taken a carrying around a velvet bag that she claimed contained the head of Jack Parsons. And she was quite charmingly known to say that all Scientologists were bastards and didn't hesitate to say that to the face of every Scientologist she met. And they went, ha ha ha ha. Yeah. Very good.

Oh. Can I jump on your couch? Ha ha. It's a group. Yeah. Chris Dehly's dead. Yeah. Yeah.

I guess Gal got himself another angel. Ha ha ha. Do you know who got himself another pilot? Oh. But in the end, Cameron seemed to enjoy the mystery of Jack's death just as much as Jack would have enjoyed it. She always acted as if the official narrative was uncertain and sometimes even suggested that the government had faked Jack's death so they could whisk him away to work on other

covert operations. This is all y'all's job. If I die, it's to maintain the mystery of my death. It's the idea of it. It's that hopefully if it all works out, if it goes according to plan, it's gonna be fake. It's gonna be fake. You often say you're not gonna have a head.

Yeah. It's gonna be fake. Okay. And so just know that we were like, oh yeah. You know, I don't know what. I heard Henry was channeling the Panty Christ and that's what it was. I don't think Jack Parsons wasn't like muddling guacamole. He wasn't like making salsa.

Yeah. I might die a salsa related death. I don't know, but keep it a mystery. Sadly though, Marjorie Cameron died in 1995 of a brain tumor and reportedly her last words were just as amusing as her life. She said, quote, the dog's dying. The car's dying. I'm dying.

We're all dying. I don't like her. I like her. Yeah. And again, she went. It's Cameron by then. Now she's Cameron. Yeah.

Cameron. She hated the name Marjorie because remember that was the name of the aunt that haunted her when she was a child. Yeah. Went by candy sometimes. Okay. I love a good candy. Candy.

Candy Cameron. Huh. Candy Cameron. Candy's Cameron. Indeed. Murphy Brown. That's the formula. Murphy Brown and Cantation formula.

Did you know that Murphy Brown hated her father because he was a ventriloquist and she always felt that he loved the doll more than he loved her? We put more money. I can't believe how many there was literally several million dollars were spent to bring Murphy Brown Brown back. Yeah. And he did nothing. And it's garbage.

I can't believe that happened. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But now she hated the ventriloquist. She always thought the ventriloquist that she was competing with the ventriloquist as an actual sibling. I get it.

Yeah. Yeah. That's how it works. Sure. Well, as far as the legacy of Jack Parsons goes, people are somewhat split on how important his contributions were to the history of 20th century science. The more button-up types say that his role is exaggerated, but that's only because Parsons didn't publish papers and he was, again, just a little too groovy for the scientific establishment.

A little odd. Well, they didn't like that he didn't have degrees and he wasn't passed. That's the whole thing. He wasn't passed by the inside group. Yeah. He didn't do it the right way. He didn't do it the right way and he just didn't. He didn't pay the money.

Yeah. From what more open-minded historians say, Parsons was a key figure in the road towards space travel and exploration. And the company he helped found was responsible for flawlessly landing the Mars Curiosity rover amongst many, many other accomplishments. But the more interesting question here is whether or not his magical work had any bearing on the world we live in today. Aliens!

Aliens. He made aliens. He made aliens. Well, some say that the Babylon working ripped a hole in reality. Aliens! Because the god damn it quit interrupting me by yelling aliens. Aliens? Yeah, he didn't.

Because the very same year that Parsons claimed to have finished the ritual, the Babylon working ritual, the Roswell incident occurred. And UFO sightings have not slowed down since. Coincidence? Well... He's not one. No. Well, Alistair Crowley also claimed that World War I began because he fucked up a ritual.

Who knows? Because, I mean, but again, that's magic history. Yeah. And it's the idea that he fucked something up. He did bring in the Aeon of Babylon and we're seeing it unfold. And a part of that is replacing the old gods with new ones instead of seeing elementals like fairies and aliens and like I said, like that we're now seeing our new technological gods.

Isn't it OCD? Isn't what OCD? What Alistair Crowley thinks? Oh, it made me... He might... Because he thinks that he brought... I mean, World War I was gonna happen if he got buttfucked or not. Yeah, but he liked that...

He was bragging. Oh, he was like... I did it. I did it. I caused World War I. I see. Okay. Yeah, but a coincidence does have to be taken into account.

Coincidence. But it must be said that Jack Parsons' life was almost defined by the phenomenon of mysterious coincidence. That's true. No matter what though, Jack Parsons is certainly an American character worth remembering and worth admiring. He was a free spirit and an independent thinker in an age when either of those things could land you in jail if you weren't careful.

So while the Babylon working may not have been successful in the way Parsons wanted, his influence still matters. That is to say, Babylon or no, Jack Parsons still helped change our reality. He did. I really do believe it. I think that he was... He was interesting and what he did was that he brought... If there was one thing he did, he was the figure of ritual magic for our age.

He brought it, which is why we bring him into this fourth series that sort of rounds out this section of like, quote unquote, modern ritual magic where he brought it to a new height again. He kind of, quote unquote, made it cool because he brought until these counterculture movements. I think there was something to it. Maybe Babylon working is why we got rack and roll. Maybe. I don't know.

But I do have a really... I like this reading. I want to do a little reading. That's from Freedom as a Two Edge Sword. And I think it really describes Parsons. Our significance does not lie in the extent to which we resemble others or in the extent to which we differ from them. It lies within our ability to be ourselves.

And this may well be the entire object of life to discover ourselves, our meaning, but this cannot be some sudden burst of illumination. It is a constant process which continues so long as we are truly alive. This process cannot continue unobstructed unless we are free to undergo all experience and willing to participate in all of existence. Then the significant questions are not is it right or is it good, but rather how does it feel and what does it mean? The McRib is also bad.

God damn it! You had a perfect opportunity to do Mahalo. Absolutely. That was a perfect opportunity for you to do what you started doing. Yes, baby. It's the words you don't say. I ear-budded it. I ear-planted it.

And now people say it. Now, Mahalo. People are like, Mahalo. Now, you just did ritual magic. That's right. It's technically also PR. Absolutely. Well, all right, everyone.

Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week, obviously. Thanks for dead because we're going to get into explosives. Yeah. Well, we're supposed to get into rockets. Well, now that we're in LA again. Yeah. We have been talking about getting into rockets.

Little rockets? Little rockets. Little rockets that you paint and you put the little cartridges in. You blast them off. You did it when I was a kid. I blew a bunch of shit up. You can do all the time. Oh, yeah, dude.

It's awesome. You can get into, what was it? Is it Love Liza? He gets into RC racing? Yeah, RC cars. Yeah. RC cars. That's kind of cool.

I'm not going to live in our Love Liza life. Yeah. What's Love Liza? It's one of the most depressing, yet also heartwarming movies I've ever seen. It's funny. And it ends with an explosion. It's funny. Yeah.

Wow, it does. Yeah. All right, everyone. I just can't wait. I can close some tabs. I'm very happy that you can. Thank you so much for listening. Do we have any other things to discuss?

We have announced our new, because we are bumping up, because obviously Marcus is still getting over Long Cooper. He's doing great on ZZ. But it's still a process. So we are postponing our Australian tour to August, and those dates are now put out there. But we're coming. Can't wait. Thank you to all of my Australian friends for being understanding about the postponement.

This is, we didn't want to run into another situation where I get on the other side of the world and forget how to breathe again. I was watching an Australian comedian, and they had the audience was in masks, but they had a really weird smile on the mask. Yeah, that's scary. It was really trippy. That really, really scares me. It was scary.

I'll show you a picture after. You haven't. No, it was weird. So do yourself a favor. I really feel like if you're, again, if you're interested in more of this stuff, like read Jack Parsons' writings to kind of see how a wizard thinks. Yeah. It's, you know, some of it's more impressive than others.

Yeah. But freedom is a two-edged sword. It's beautiful. It's nice. And, you know, just to bring a little bit of capitalism into this communism conversation, that's terrifying. Ben just showed me the picture. It's absolutely terrifying.

Oh, wow. Oh, she likes it. Yeah. Weird. If you're looking for a Christmas gift for one of your loved ones, go to lastpodcastmerch.com. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got an ornament.

Yeah. We got an ornament. Get yourself a three-headed dowel. It's cute. Yeah. It is cute. It is cute. They did a good job.

Or by the book. Or by the trade of soul plumber, which came out a couple of months ago. It's on sale. Yes. That's a great idea. Yeah. Also, we're going to, we're going to be making an announcement, but another project pretty soon.

I don't know when that is. Very cool shit. All right, everyone. Thank you for listening. Hail yourselves. Hail Satan. Hail game. Because there's only one me and it's gotta be me.

Oh shit. Got one more thing. Okay. The new no dogs in space series has started. We have a Patty Smith. Patty Smith, part one and part two are currently out. It's the three-part series. If you want to wait for the whole thing to be out, the third part will be out next week.

But yeah, part one and two are out. We're very proud of this one. So go on and check out Patty Smith if you're interested in one of the godmothers of punk. She's like a lot more rockin' than I thought she was. So much more. Okay. Bye. See you in hell.

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