Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 517: The Troubled Teen Industry Part I: Elan School - Tough Love

Episode Date: January 7, 2023

It's a brand new year and the boys are back! So buckle up because we're kicking it off with a rough one as we break down America's controversial residential behavior modification programs better known as The Troubled Teen Industry, this week focusing in on the highly controversial Elan School.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Today's series that we're beginning, we're beginning a series today that it has a lot of serious points. You know, and there were, you know, some sensitive material. One thing I do want to say up top before we get into all of it is that, well, yes, all of the practices of these various industries that they have done, they're all wrong. Yeah. See, I'm saying it. They're all completely incorrect.

Correct. But wouldn't it kind of be nice a little bit if men just came to fix us, right? Wouldn't it be kind of like just the feeling of like, wouldn't it be kind of like, just to have the lack of control a little bit like the men come with the white coats? I've talked about this. Love it. Natalie has expressed permission that if I do, when I do, finally. Straight to camera advice on Instagram. Yeah.

As soon as I go completely nuts, you call the brute squad. Yeah. To pick, scoop me up. Yeah. Put me, I want old fashioned straight jacket. Sure. I want to know this is the end of the line for my insanity. What happened to Henry?

Well, he started liking Jim Brewer's newer stuff. Welcome to last podcast on the left. Everyone been hanging out with Henry and Marcus. What's worse than walking on broken glass, walking on eggshells. And that's what we're going to be doing in this episode. Can't wait to get into the really upbeat way to kick off 2023 boys. The troubled teen industry focusing on the Alon school. We are very interested in this topic.

This is very similar to the West Memphis three that this is a subject that legitimately makes Marcus and I furious. Oh yeah. I love it. Kissles always been a fan. Always. He said stuff about how like the troubled teen community, those are my constituents. Technically, it's all of us. It is all of us.

But this, this series actually means a lot to us. I think it is cool to start 2023 off with a little bit of a lessons learned. Sure. Why not? Now we've used a ton of sources for this series. So we're going to wait until the end of the entire fucking thing to name them all. Okay. But for this episode in particular, the main source is help at any cost by Maya Zalovitz,

which is highly recommended for anyone who wants an ocean deep dive into the sadistic industry. We're going to be talking about today. If you really want to get into it. But again, remember, just think about this. It's scary when it happens to a kid, but just the idea of just like, all right, you. All right. You give me my thorny. Sounds kind of nice.

Is this our version of scared straight? Is that what we're doing here? It is definitely a scared straight type. It's scared straight times a hundred scared straight on steroids. Yes, scared straight looks at this and is afraid. I also think that scared straight a lot of times deal with kids that are already sort of like facing crimes. Like like they're in like sort of in the criminal justice world where we'll find out about the trouble teen industry is that anybody can go. Yes.

Also scared straight. I've seen the kids today. It didn't work. It's that's a, I think it's a saying about how they're homosexual. They're a little more gender flu than I remember. This is great. This is a good way to start. This is going to, man, we're going to get lauded for this series.

Now the standards and practices surrounding the troubled teen industry are some of the most shameful and bizarre in American business and they're all perfectly legal. It's business, baby. Oh, wow. The programs that purport to fix these so-called trouble teens are still going full force to this day. Although some of the more notorious schools have thankfully folded in recent history. They're learning from the Mormons and you move to the center and that's how you get yourself not shut down anymore. Is that you do is we're like, all right, let's group spankings more group Yankees. That's how you become a church.

Wow. And basically the trouble teen industry, which includes everything from boot camps to wilderness programs to quote alternative boarding schools. It capitalizes on parents who are both terrified of their children and too lazy or unimaginative to do anything about it themselves. We are going to be very mad. This episode specifically parents in general. Oh, yeah, where we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. Well, some kids are truly scary though. Well, that's what we'll kind of talk about.

It's like why we're against the death penalty, right? We're against the death penalty because every once in a while an innocent person works its way through that system and gets murdered by the state. This is all about the fact that yes, sure, there are actual quote unquote troubled teens that do need a higher level of help. But a lot of these kids just were there because their parents had the money to put them there. Gotcha. Well, these fears were damn near created by the media and government anti-drug hyperbole, which reached its height in the 80s with all of Nancy Reagan's just say no bullshit. Going off those highly successful anti-drug campaigns and the talk shows that prop them up, parents came to think that a single joint could turn their teen into a junkie capable of slaughtering the entire family for just one more hit. It's kind of cool. It's not what we does whatsoever. It can barely get through Callisto protocol to get to Stone.

Nancy Reagan also known for sucking mad dog when she was younger. She sucked that president dumb. Yes, you're blaming Nancy for his Alzheimer's. She sucked all the smart brain cells out. And the overblown nature of this hysteria naturally provoked overreaction from weak-minded parents. Well, I know my parents definitely always assumed because my sister was on drugs. I was not, but my sister was good at school. I was not. Right. Because I was a good at school and I like to make movies on the side, they all assumed I was on drugs.

So my mom would scour my room again and again and again, only to find condoms. Me goes, somebody be a fuck you. Well, you know, if the condom packs are always full, then someone isn't. They were there. But then Jackie's room went unscathed and it was full of fucking age and smack and skank and zip. Yeah, I can't imagine the horror that is searching your teenage child's room. That's why they're going to get away with anything they want in there. Yeah. You see them not going in there.

You need a bigger room. Yeah. No, my parents used to find these little charred bits of pornography in my room because one day I had this very large pornography collection. Sure. And then one day... You let it from the pedophile down the street, didn't you? No, my pedophile, no. It was a child whose dad had abandoned the family and he had left a...

That's a child's pedophile. Literally, it's a child's version of a pedophile. No, his father had left a cooler full of pornography behind and we had divided it amongst us. But then when I got every once in a while, I get like that sort of like Christian zap into my brain. It's like, oh, I'm going to go to hell for masturbating. So I decided to burn my pornography collection. Wow. But as soon as I lit the match and I saw my pornography burning...

My dick! I immediately dumped over the trash can and stamped it all out to save my pornography. Wow. But then every time I took out, say, a copy of Club Confidential or a penthouse or a skin... It smelled like a fucking campfire. It smelled like a campfire and the little pieces of charred pornography would fall off and scatter my bedroom. Imagine if he... Is this why you like hiking?

No. Is it because he says campfires get you hard? Really hard. Imagine if Heath Ledger's Joker would have done that. Wouldn't have sent a bad message that indeed he was greedy. Also, I do like that your friend's dad was like, you're going to want to keep the cherry colds. Put it in a cooler. But he actually had so much pornography that it overflowed out of the cooler into a secondary trash bag.

Big black garbage bag. That's the only way to keep it. That's the only way to keep it. I just got a big, hefty bag full of butt and ass magazines. Yeah, if he got it sent in for crediting, like they do comic books, they would have been a 10 out of 10. You're going to put some backboards in some of this. That's good. Now, these parents are sold a bill of goods by the troubled teen industry.

The troubled teen industry, they say that the only thing that'll fix your child or in some cases stop them from going bad in the first place is sustained brutality and cruelty. Although these practices are sanitized under the term tough love. Tough love is an actual business term to them. Like it's an official term that they use. And it is interesting, maybe we'll find more as we go. Not in this episode, but later on, I'm doing some research into it. It's kind of interesting to see how many of these tactics that are used to break down the human personality is the same shit that they did in MKUltra. It's the same shit that they've done across the world, it seems, forever.

How to turn somebody into a ghost. It's the same thing Bobby Knight did when he was the head coach of Indiana University. Yeah. Basically. Did Group Spankings? He was horrible. Yeah. Yeah, he was the basketball coach at Texas Tech when I was there.

He was very bad. I think there's a lot of college basketball players all spanking each other. I think there's a lot of that on the internet. Well, that's fun. Yeah, there's also a lot of college basketball shit going down right now. Yeah, Bobby Knight got fired for getting into a fight with the athletic director at a salad bar at the grocery store. I'd pay money to see it. I would.

Well, basically, the parents are told that the fault in their child is not in their own parenting, but rather in the children themselves, who are all out of control monsters, ready to destroy society the moment you turn your backs on them. All you got to do is keep these kids fed. Give them their cherry gollas. Cherry gollas. You think the kids are really into cherry gollas? That's all they do. I know what kids like.

They like their cherry golla. They like their, you got to let the kids vape. Yeah. You want to let the kids vape? Let the kids vape. That's what the whole series to me is about. She will rename it. It's stressful to be a child.

They know that they're going nowhere. To be honest, it is. And even outside of that, kids with ADHD, learning disabilities, mental health issues, and various other neurodivergent conditions like autism, they're also sent to these schools. They tried to send me, but I didn't fit. Is that like physically or just the mental breakdown? Physically, mentally. Did they really try to send you to a big school?

Oh man. Yeah. We were wondering inside. I was diagnosed when I was like 10. I remember I went to a therapist when I was 11, but then she started crying and I had to go. Yeah. I mean, I met my therapist cry several times and then I feel like you should pay me. You just tell him the hard truth about life.

But I still do that to this day. It was great. I got mad at a casino dude in London. I remember. Made him cry. Well, at these schools, sadistic staffers attempt to quite literally beat, scream, and torture disorders away. But by allowing the use of these so-called tough love techniques, parents are guaranteed that they're formally rebellious and bothersome teenagers.

Well, by the end of the program, turn into happily obedient and respectful members of society. And obedient is the key here because it's not really about changing the behavior for somebody from bad to good. I feel like those words, I mean, like they use that, they use that in the explanation in the pitch for these schools. And it's also very abstract, right? Because if you were a Hitler youth, being good would be doing something horrible. Exactly, right? So there is that. But obedient is the key, right?

Because that's what it's about. It's about you are not fitting into our current model of society. We want to strip you of everything that's inside of you. They want to distribute it onto a automaton so that you could go back to being a worker and a buyer. Yeah. I remember sitting in class. There was some medication they experimented on me with. And you just sit there and you're like going crazy in your head like a really fast-pong game.

And you're horribly anxious. But you just sit there. And so the teachers would be like, I think he's doing great. It was horrible. It's a real, it's a torture. Christ. My mom just tied me to the carriage. That was for the best.

That was for the best. I actually empathize with your mother. Yeah. Well, this guarantee of success is given credence by the self-published success rates that the institutions themselves release, which is almost never below 90%. Whoa. See here, Jeremy, you got a dirty boot. Jeremy, we'll lick that right up for you.

We made him a perfect boot. In addition, these schools usually have the sign-off of various medical professionals, politicians, and judges who all swear that these programs do indeed work. The problem, though, is that there's never been any sort of reliable study done on the effectiveness of these programs. But what we do know is that many of these teens come out of the experience highly traumatized, developmentally stunted, and suicidal. I think that it is very telling that when you look up this information on this subject, a lot of what comes out of it, it's always like wasp survivor, straight ink survivor. And there's a lot of it.

It's weird how you see more like, obviously, I remember the way I kind of compared it to what the Oteros did after the crimes of BTK, where they've talked about it, but that's kind of one family talks a lot about what that one serial killer did to them, where these people are walking around with whatever the fuck it is that happens to them in these schools. It just destroys people's personalities. And it seems the only way to get through it, which is what they want you to do it, is you've got to join up. You have to allow it in and become one of your masters in order for you to escape it. Likewise, any stories of mistreatment or abuse, those sorts of survivor stories that you're talking about, those are dismissed as lies, the rantings of a few bad apples.

In fact, very few... Apples can't talk! BOOM! Choke on that! BOOM! In fact, very few of those complaints have led to any sort of investigation, and very few of those investigations have ever resulted in even an indictment, much less a conviction. Now, as far as those various medical professionals who endorse these programs go,

it's usually the case that they're either connected to the institution in some way financially... What? Market! Money is a thing? Or they're simply on the take. It's like doctors recommending oxycontin because Purdue Pharma gave them a free weekend at Pebble Beach. But don't you see... The exact same thing.

Or a judge getting a kickback from a juvie system. Absolutely. But you guys are both talking like a couple of ruskies, a couple of pinko mother fucks, right? Because when it comes down to isn't the exchange of money, doesn't that make it good? See, because they made money. So it's good because they all profited off the industry. Much like the original Batman 1960s something movie where he zaps everyone into a puddle of dust,

money is speech, so we should just replace, be replaced with stacks of bills, record it for two hours, that's the episode. Did you just look at us as several bags of money? That's great. And that's your show. Perfect. That's your show. Educational consultants, meanwhile, are openly paid for recommendations,

online endorsements, and enrollments. It's pretty much, it's a referral commission. Right. And almost variably, the politicians who support these programs usually count the owners of the institutions as some of the highest of their donors. Real angel-donators. Yeah, you can just see the politicians going in there looking at the new crop of potential kids to molest. Oh, they can't wait, dude.

You're making perfect little silent members of my abuse clinic. I was just reading about Dennis Haster at the 2010 Speaker of the House. He still owes his victim some cash. He was wrestling, wasn't that his name? Yeah, that was wrestling. He took it to another level. Yeah. I just feel like we don't need, I feel like wrestling needs to have an age parameter.

Same age, the rest is the same age. Sure, I could see that. 12, 12, that's fine. Yeah, that's good. 12, 36 is bad. Unless you're properly coaching, but yeah, he wasn't. We don't really know we need to put him in a scissor lock. They're immune to the hat.

Well, for example, when we're talking about political donations, the co-founders of the infamous anti-drug program, Straight Inc., a favorite of Nancy Reagan, and one of the worst when it came to psychological abuse, they were powerful members of the Republican Party. They donated $125,000 to George H.W. Bush's 1988 presidential campaign, and what I'm got an ambassador show. Wow. Yeah, man.

You've got to go all the way to Denmark on our dime, but it's also cool to be ambassador because then you can't legally commit crimes. Exactly. It's awesome. Yeah. Speaking of government, if we go just a little further back into American history, we can see that the sort of punishment-based schools that make up the troubled teen industry, they have a long tradition in this country.

Although they were started not to correct behavior, but to annihilate culture. While much of the attack therapy techniques we'll be discussing later came from more modern sources, the physical and sexual abuse components used in the troubled teen industry had many of the same hallmarks as the American Indian boarding schools of Yor. Yes, and we did. And Canada had them as well. Yeah. It's these places where they go and they decide that we're going to destroy your entire culture

via destroying the children of your culture. For hundreds of years, the American government used these boarding schools to stamp out any vestiges of native identity in the pursuit of assimilating the indigenous American population into white American society, while paradoxically keeping them on the reservations away from white American society. And what they did, they would look at nature. They would look at a beautiful tree and the Native American would say, what a beautiful tree giving of life. And they say, no, boo the tree.

Boo. Boo. We're not like nature. Boo. You look at the tree and be like, fuck you, tree. You're not a cabinet yet. Fuck you, tree. What are you good for, tree?

At these boarding schools, indigenous children were forcibly removed from their families and put into institutions that were almost always run by, guess who? A wonderful loving mother. The Catholic Church. Yeah, they did it. Good for them. These children had their hair cut short. They were allowed to speak their own languages under threat of severe physical abuse,

and even their names were taken away and completely changed to something more Anglo. Yeah, they do it from outside in. I also, I kind of had a weird epiphany about Catholics the other day, and I realized that the tension within the Catholic Church really has to be quite a bit. It's like every week you go, you see this super hot guy. Yes. Like, up in front of you, right? Always.

Like in Paris, when we went to the Catholic Church. Jesus, you're talking about Jesus. I'm like, Jesus is fucking in Paris. I kind of, it moved. Like my dick. Your dick didn't move. He's powerful. He's loving.

Because in Paris, they made him kind of like androgynous too. Yeah. He looked like prince. Right? Like he was like, it's crazy. You see this sexy guy with his brown nipples. And he's got that cool scar inside his shit. Like D'Angelo.

And you're like, look, but don't touch. Taste. But don't swallow. Devil's advocate. I don't like that. You drop it for one foot to the next. And he's up there laughing his sick motherfucking ass off. Yeah.

Well, this has nothing to do with the topic. You actually derailed the entire thing to talk about your sexual attraction to the French. Jesus. Yeah. And you posited it as like, I figured out something about the Catholics. I am one. It's in me.

Well, as far as these boarding schools went, unclean and overpopulated living conditions contributed to widespread and potentially fatal disease. Children were underfed, bounties were offered for students who tried to run away, and many of them died by suicide at the school. To add insult to injury, the school would often force students to lay their deceased friends in a coffin and bury the body themselves in the school cemetery. Oh my goodness. That's not a good school.

No, no, no, no. No school should have a fucking cemetery. Unless Wednesday Adams goes to your school. You should not have a place where everyone normally buries the children. But yeah, it's not good. You're right. To that point, the Department of the Interior knows of 53 marked and unmarked burial sites that are home to more than 500 children and teenagers who died between 1819 and 1969 when

the last of these schools were closed. That's the horror movie I want to see. You moved the tombstones, but you didn't move the bodies. Oh, yeah. The revenge of these children. Yes. But yeah, again, if it was a troubled teen, troubled teenage ghosts, technically, that's sometimes they come back.

Troubled teenage zombie is an awesome movie. Wow. And we can connect to it. It's relatable. That's my boyfriend's back. Whoa. Oh. It's interesting.

It is. It was horrible. It was never nice that he came back. Yeah. Life from your play. You know what's nice about a new year? You never know what you're going to get up to, right? But one thing you can get up to is you can change your entire business structure.

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from nuns and priests because at these boarding schools, it was all done out in the open to the point where it was coordinated. You can just see the nun like the landlord from Kingpin. But it's weird too because, again, dehumanizing the kids. They were already dehumanized because they were indigenous. They were already, we need to make them people. That's a part of what this is. We're raising them up.

And so they felt like, oh, we have a free pass on these kids because nobody cares. At some schools, nuns and priests would rotate children and teenagers among staff members because they would get tired of a kid. Yeah, for sex. They would get tired of a kid and be like, why don't you take them for a little while? And then they'd just kind of trade them around. Now, once these kids left these schools, they were entirely unequipped to live in either American or tribal society.

In addition, they carried rarely treated PTSD that often led to lifelong struggles with addiction and or suicide. And as we'll see time and time again in this series, it's because they did not really think of kids as little people. They just thought that they were like, you're an automaton until you get to go die in the war when you're 18 years old. And I'm sure we'll get into the pipeline to prison because that's probably the only place they could function.

It's extremely short-term thinking in every way whatsoever. It's basically sending them back so they can stay out of their parents' hair until they turn 18. Yeah, and then they're everybody else's problem. Right. And while the systemic annihilation of hundreds of cultures is, of course, entirely different from the simple greed behind the troubled teen industry, I think the comparison still holds because both used many of the same physical, mental, and emotional punishments with the ultimate goal of assimilation, quote, for their own good.

Never is. No. Now, the biggest difference between the American Indian boarding schools and the troubled teen schools is that in most cases, the parents voluntarily decide to send their children away to the troubled teen schools. Mostly these parents and upper and middle class families paid out of pocket with tuition that's sometimes on par with Ivy League universities. Street Inc. for one year per student.

It was 72 grand. Holy crap. These schools. This is like 60, 70s money. Yeah. That's incredible. Just give it to the kid. Yep.

No. Have him move out. Nah. Like you're 72 grand. Go. Get out of here. Get out of my head. That's how you have a million Andy Warhols.

Oh, you. That would be a nightmare. Yes. Andy Warhol was a poor boy from Pittsburgh. I know. I've been there. How is it? It's nice.

Very nice. Yeah. He could just sit there. He's not moving around a lot. He's a poor boy. That's how he knew so much about soup. Yep. And they say we can't make the subject funny.

So many people say they can't make it funny. Andy Warhol. Yes. Well, these schools, the ones that are mostly paid out of pocket, these are like the infamous CEDU institutions, which are now being publicly attacked by their most high-profile alumnus, Paris Hilton, who is basically shuttled straight from a sexually abusive troubled teen program into reality television back in the 90s. That was how we used to make our movie stars back in the day, kids.

They were these fucking Nepo babies, like they're all coming out now. Paris Hilton was born in a money, like a good celebrity needs to be done. Well, she's the Hilton family, but she was never a movie star. She was in the new house of wax. I do remember the audience cheered when she died. It was a great death scene. It was a good death scene. But she did work with some farm animals.

She also played up the character quite a bit. What we now know about Paris Hilton, it was that a lot of what we saw of her was kind of a creation of hers. Like there was a, I actually saw an interesting video recently where you saw the difference between her Paris Hilton voice and her real voice, where she was like on the phone with somebody. Her voice is like two octaves deeper. Hi, this is Perry.

Hey, yeah. This is Perry. Yeah. Get those crocs in my fucking house now. All right. Give me. Give me. Give me.

Give me. Give me. Other schools, however, besides CEDU, they are able to get in on the insurance scam and make their money that way. Good old fashioned American way. Actually, I've been dealing with a lot of insurance recently and insurance scam is must be very hard. You just get a job.

That's the thing is that they're working with the insurance and scam, the insurance and industry. You're trying to get money from the insurance industry. Which they don't want to do. They're trying to make money for the insurance industry. And that's very easy to do, they love that about you. They really like that. Other schools took government subsidies

when judges shuttled lower income teens into these programs as a, quote unquote, alternative to incarceration. But to that point, one kid who spent time in both an alternative school and a maximum security prison said that the school was actually far worse because at least in prison,

which is one of the most dehumanizing places in existence, he said he felt like more of a human being. Well, because the most insidious thing of all is that they turned the kids against themselves. Yeah, Lord of the Flies. Perhaps the most incredible part though is that some parents send their kids to these schools just in case because the industry says

that even if you got a good kid who's just a little rebellious, it couldn't hurt to put a stop to it before the rebellion gets worse. It's like killing a fly with a hammer. It's very difficult to kill a fly with a hammer. It really is. What's the rebellion are we talking about here?

They're listening to Janice Joplin as his parent. But his parent has a different idea of what the rebellion is. That's the whole thing, yeah. It's like, it might be, you know, it might be, you know, hey, he's staying out all night. It might be, she smokes, it might be I found a pack of cigarettes in her purse, you know?

Yeah, which is like, again, normal teenage offenses. And then it goes up to kids that are like serial rapists. Yeah, it could be he sexually assaulted three girls. Like it could all, and all of these kids are all in the same fucking place. Yeah. Jeez. Now, evidence shows that grouping teens together

and labeling them all as deviants actually enhances antisocial behavior. And there are countless stories of healthy teenagers with natural rebellious streaks leaving these schools as shattered human beings. In one case, an average kid named Fred Collins was forcibly enrolled in the aforementioned straight ink program when he was 19

because his brother had the drug problem. They literally just lumped him in thinking like, oh, he learned from his brother. He's definitely gonna get it. Meanwhile, then he then drops him into, from what I can see, straight ink was rough. Really rough. Yeah, it sounds like it.

But even at 19, his parents were able to send him? I suppose so. I mean, that's the strange thing. I was, I had that same question. You signed off, I don't know. Yeah, maybe. But it's like straight ink is one of those things where, you know, they sit you down in a group

and they're like, you're a drug addict. And this kid, Fred was like, no, I'm not, not really. Like I think I've smoked weed a couple of times. Sounds like a typical drug addict. They always denials the first step. That's what they would do. And it would slowly escalate more and more and more to screaming.

Like they're screaming like, you're a fucking drug addict. You're a drug addict. And, you know, you've got adults screaming at you. You've got kids screaming at you until finally you're gaslit enough where you admit, I'm a drug addict. But then you've also got this cognitive dissonance of like, but I don't remember doing drugs,

but they're telling me I'm a drug addict and I'm a drug addict. And it breaks their fucking brain. Little do they know I'm actually a public masturbator. Yes, I got away with it again. Well, after four months, Collins escaped in a panic. He believed that he was a drug addict after four months. And such was his anxiety that when a friend

of his sheltered him after the escape, Fred pulled a rifle on a guy who showed up at the front door wearing a white coat. And he thought, oh fuck, the white coats are here to get me. That guy's from straight ink. He's going to fucking bring me back. And he put a rifle in a stranger's face.

That was made a murderer. Yeah. Now part of the reason why these places are so horrific is not just because of the policies and philosophies they have, although those are terrible. Mostly it's because of who the organizations choose to enforce those policies and philosophies. It's interesting because even saying

like organizations who choose, when like a lot of times it's like these guys that showed up to create these organizations are like, all right, who's going to be the one that's in control of all these kids? And then he pulls up a mirror and he's like, looks like it's you, Barry. Let's go get these kids.

I mean, what kind of sociopath would want this job? I mean, an actual sociopath. Like you literally have to be a fucked up person. I mean, if you think about it, I mean, it's like a, as far as people who are like sociopaths who are attracted to positions of authority, you know how they're like, you know, there are cops that are attract,

sociopaths who are attracted to the, you know, police, to being a police officer. Some of them go to CEOs, yeah. But this is like below CEOs. This is even below juvenile hall. Oh my gosh. And it's also- Because it's private enterprise too.

Not regulated in any way whatsoever. Professional psychiatrists, therapists, psychologists, doctors of any kind, they were rarely ever on the staffs of these institutions because they're too fucking expensive. And likewise, the people who create these programs, they're just some average fuck ad who's making shit up as they go along.

And we're saying this blanketly across the board because it comes up with every single one of these groups that you read about. It's just a businessman, some other guy, like it really is just that. And then a lot of times it's somebody that it's already been a part of one of these programs to begin with

and then starts up their own brand new world of pain. You know, I just think that Andretain has a lot of good ideas and that's why I'm applying for this job. I think that I could teach what these, I know what the kids need. I am a great, I will be a great leader for these children. Yeah, everybody gotta know alphas and betas.

Betas and alphas. See, the point of these programs from a business perspective is pure greed. You exploit fear and you justify it by saying you're making society a better place. But many times the people who run and staff these places, they gain genuine joy from abusing others. See, the people who are attracted to these schools

are either bullies looking to be in positions of easy authority, the easiest authority there is over children, or they're former students of the programs who quote, graduate into jobs at the very institutions who abused them in the first place. That's how you know it works. We just keep making more of them. If I may use a pop culture reference,

it's pretty much Camp Crusty. It's Simpson's season four, episode one. Oh, yes, and what a wonderful pop reference that is from season four of The Simpsons. It's been on for 30 years, which means that's a 26 year old reference. And that's what we know here. Yeah, that's what we know.

No, it works perfectly. That was 1997. Actually, it was more like 1994. Great, so I can thank you for the caveat to get pop culture-y. I'm just gonna go dig a grave. 1994, that was the season when Conan O'Brien was in charge.

It's also a large versus the Monorails in that season. Well, I'm just one of the classics. Speaking of youth, I'm happy you're connected with the youth. This is what kids like, Cherry Cola, ages old Simpsons. And I wanna talk about the lunch lady. And Chris Barley. Oh, great sketch, yeah. Great sketch.

But I mean, in that episode, the bullies are the counselors, abuses the norm, and the entire thing is run by a guy named Mr. Black, who makes toast to the concept of evil in pursuit of profit. It's probably a direct, and he's probably inspired by this. Oh yeah, Mr. Black.

Concerning the staff at one alternative school, five resident directors responsible for 45 kids each, they were all graduates of the program. But of course, they're like 19, 20, 21. They have no college degrees. They have no experience in social services. They were just kids who had very recently been abused and were immediately put into positions

to heap that abuse upon more kids. Yeah, now you do. And it gets worse every single time. Of course, yeah. Now, as far as their techniques go, these troubled teen programs use tortures that are banned by the Geneva Convention. Wow.

Beatings, extended isolation, restraint, public humiliation, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, it's fucking Abu Ghraib. Oh yeah, it's what wasp and wasp, which we're gonna get into now. It's like they have with the hangout room. Mm. Well, this of course,

is nothing to say of the emotional and mental tortures these kids are put through. But the justification behind these punishments can be summed up in the philosophy of a school called wasp, which closed in 2006. In wasp, seminars were actually held for parents before the kids were sent to the school with the goal of brainwashing the parents

into believing that the brutal techniques used at wasp were justified. Well, of all of them, that they worked the parents harder than a lot of the other groups. Wasp did have it, because there's a lot of testimony of these parents, they hold these big group dinners.

And it's them pumping the parents, being like, we're gonna change your kids, we're gonna do this up. And you have all these parents being like, I don't know what to do with my son, he won't eat spaghetti. I need to get him back on the spaghetti train, we're Italian, it's racist that he won't.

And then immediately, and now he's getting like group beat. Geez, mostly when parents go to events like this, they just subscribe to a timeshare. Yeah, yeah. I think actually there might have been some timeshare mixed in. Yeah, there may have been a little MLM coming up as well. Yeah. Maybe some swinging.

Mike, Marcus, that's just you again. It's fun. No, that's a projection. Parents are gonna be on vacation. Just saying, I've seen some documentaries. No, that's your projection. There's some swinging going on. It's certain cruises.

Honestly, I have found out what we're talking about. Since we got married, though, don't you see that there are more swingers? There are way a lot more swingers than you thinking that there are. And then you'd be just surprised. Because you guys are a group of lonely, sad people on the inside. Not you guys necessarily, yet. But it does happen.

Hey, baby, what if we open it up just a little bit? But it's always nice because there's always some ugly dude and his hot wife. Yeah, yeah. Oh, your wives are gonna love that. That's great. Would you rather it be a hot dude? Because then you have the image of just like,

I feel like hot dudes get so much, get it late as much as ugly men. I feel like actually it really plays out to the same. I don't. Okay, okay. No, no, don't you look at me. I think that if you do the math. It's really not the truth.

We're gonna sort it out. Not the truth at all. Well, Wasp justified their beatings using one simple phrase. They said, there's no right or wrong. There's just what works and what doesn't. No, there's right and wrong. There's what wrong because you know what I find? Because with bees, right?

Bees are fun and a good collaborative insect. Yeah, but a wasp is mean. A wasp is like the school shooter of bugs. They are very mean. You gotta turn the lights off and then they can't fly. Really? Yeah. They can't fly at night.

Have you been talking to fucking smoky the bear? What are you talking about? Bees don't fly at night. No, bees are wasps. Wasps and bees. They don't fly at night. They don't fly at night. Why not?

Because they fucking don't like to fly at night. Can they make the troubled teen industry series work? I'm serious. Can they figure out the proper angles to joke about? Huh. Most bees, including honeybees and bumblebees, can't fly at night. They don't fly at night. They chill out.

Well, you're saying don't. They saying can't. Yeah, they don't because they can't. They won't. I think these bees are fucking lazy. Yeah. Say, oh, busy as a bee. Not at night, I guess.

Yeah. No. Bees don't fly at night. Wasps fly at night but not well. I'm sorry I did this. There you go. I brought bees into this. That's what I'm saying.

Well, as an example of what quote unquote worked for Wasp, students were commonly punished with hand-ridden essays that ran up to 150,000 words. Dang. It's roughly 300 pages. Oh my god. God, I wish I could do that again. A fucking output.

Yeah. Well, students were required to sit in a dark room in a chair with no back support for eight hours a day constantly writing until they'd reached 300 pages. And sometimes for no apparent reason, a staff member would walk in, rip up the essay, and make the student start over. It's almost like you were never supposed to complete it.

Yeah. When it came to physical punishment, Wasp students would be made to stand, kneel, sit, or lay on a cement floor without moving for 30 minutes at a time for eight hours a day. The cement floor was also uneven, which made any position painful. This was called the hangout room.

Yeah. And you'd sit there, right? You literally would lay on your back, and you'd have no, you weren't allowed to speak to anybody else. Because with all of these issues, they all kind of inspired as, you know, they were all inspired by Synanon in these various groups. And so they all had hierarchies.

So it's always like if you come in, and you work your way up at certain levels, and like a lot of this was done for, to equalize everybody to them, right? So you'd go into the hangout room. Anybody of any level would go in there, but they're not allowed to speak. They'd be fed beans,

and then just be kept up all night. There'll be some noises going on. Because of the beans. Because of the beans. Oh. It's the magical fruit. Even though I believe it's a vegetable. I thought it was crying because of the gas.

I don't think they were allowed to cry. No, no, they're not. A lot of them, boiled chicken was a big meal at these places. Wasp was big on boiled chicken. But that was dinner. Because that's the thing is that you'd have rice all the rest of the time, but then you'd get that boiled chicken,

which was supposed to be a reward for surviving the day. I mean, that's not the worst thing we've heard, but that's bad. Yeah, yeah. It's the top two for me. Yeah, it's sad to boil chicken. Sad.

But even outside of punishments, teens at a wasp facility in Tijuana had calluses and blisters on their feet from being made to run laps without shoes. All of them were extremely dirty, and a lot of them were kept in dog cages. Jesus. In the worst example,

one kid was made to lay prone in his underwear for three nights while fire ants crawled all over him. If he dared move, he'd get shocks from a cattle prod. No, that's going to keep him up to crystal meth. Absolutely. That's how that's going to work. It's the cattle prod touch

that really keeps a man off the marijuana. Geez. But with all these extremely dodgy and dangerous behaviors happening at all these schools and with extremely unqualified people staffing them, it was inevitable that some kids were and are going to die. Mm-hmm. When it comes to fatalities, though,

no part of the troubled teen industry is deadlier than the wilderness programs. The wilderness programs scare the living fuck out of me. I saw a 2020 episode on this. There's these things scare the living shit out of me. There was what it's literally if Mengele ran the Boy Scouts. Yeah.

It is, you just go on marches. Yeah. You just like, it is very scary. Yeah. And denied resources, denied food, even though it's right there in front of you. I mean, it's full torture. Yeah.

Now, one of the first wilderness programs was Challenger. Ooh, never name something after a shuttle that blows up. No, that was the inspiration. Yeah, because it was named in 1987. Yeah. Right after the Challenger blew up. Hey, maybe give us some time. Give us some time.

This is a new car. Have you seen it? Have you checked out the Honda 911? It's incredible. It just keeps going and going. It's a 22-year long. Is that right? Wow, I heard it randomly explodes.

Well, Challenger was founded by Steve Cardisano in 1987. I'm not trusting anyone. I'm not to judge. But I'm sorry, I'm not going to trust an Italian on this. You would be really surprised. You especially, yeah, like outside. Yeah, if this was a gnocchi camp, I'd be like, ooh, okay. You see that plane?

You want to shoot that plane? It's looking at you. But no, there's a lot of Italians in this whole series. There really are. Actually, the Italians kind of run the game. Yeah, we'll get there. I want a Norwegian man. No, no, we actually all the Norwegians are very severe.

Well, in 1987, Steve and his co-investor, Oliver North, yes, that Oliver North. Yes, the, no, wait, no, Olly North. This is the ironic. Olly North, yes. He was his co-investor. Yeah, dude. No, it's not good.

Cool. There's a lot of people involved in this shit. Well, they found that they could maximize profits by just putting kids outside. Oh, maximizing profits. Yeah, because again, you don't have to build a structure and just put them outside. The money makes it right,

which is why we are currently recording in a tent and a parking lot outside of Avon. Absolutely. Because we want everyone to know we are thrifty. Yeah. In addition, Steve could rationalize denying food to kids and giving them shit equipment. And that's a survival thing.

It's part of the treatment. Oh, that's how you survive in 1986, America. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah. It's called How to Make Someone Homeless. It's just very scary. This is extremely scary. Yeah.

And even though the Cost of One program was upwards of $12,000 per kid, Steve's untrained counselors were paid only $800 a month. See, by going on talk shows like Donahue and Geraldo, Steve made his own good publicity. No, no, no, you see, there's a thing, right, these kids, the commodity, the best part about it is, is that nothing makes a kid better for society

than living amongst struggling with squirrels. A long periods of time, I find that the squirrels rehabilitate the kids on their own because they're looking and they understand, oh, now we're on a pine cone economy. We gotta get the pine cones. How hard is that? You've got to go find the pine cones.

You've got to keep the pine cones from other people. Thanks for being on the show. Up next, Satanists who like to fuck pineapples. Welcome to Donnie. Satanist pineapples, though, because yeah, they're fucked, but they can still be food. Well, I'm sure anyone who watched Daytime TV in the 80s and 90s knows, Daytime Talk shows loved trouble teen programs. How many fucking boot camp episodes have you seen? Dude, I watched, there was just a clip on my Instagram about the kid who the guy's like, you want me to be your father? Do you want me to be your father? I never had a dad.

No, the kid literally says, yes. And the guy's like, well, that kind of derails the entire thing. You just scared me, straight kid. You're just so sad. Well, because again, we did this joke on the live show about like the concept of like Oprah pumping in all the Satanic panic at fucking three o'clock in the afternoon. You wonder, I wondered why I'd come home and my mom would just be like, we're going through your things now. We go through, she's just getting pumped full of anti-kid propaganda all day. I think my mom threw all her cough syrup away because of a 2020 episode and I was like,

I'm stealing booze. I'm sick, mom. It's okay. Well, these talk programs, they did more to publicize the quote and quote benefits of the trouble teen program more than anyone and they did it for free. Wow. Now, using Steve Carcettano's model, a woman named Gail Palmer, who had no outdoor experience or training of any kind, she opened her own program called Summit Quest and she upped

the price to $13,900 per kit. That's because of the quest. Oh, I see. You're going to want to join this quest. Yeah, she's got a writer on staff. Okay. Because of Gail's inexperience, a 15-year-old girl named Michelle Sutton died of dehydration just months after the program was established.

Yeah, because we worked really, really hard not to be forest dwellers. Of course not that anymore. But again, it's this punishment thing. It's this idea of like, we're going to make you strong. Yeah. But kids die, though. Yeah. Well, it's something also about the 80s.

It makes me think of Dream Warriors. So everyone kind of has the puffy hair and poop earrings and stuff. Oh, yeah. These are cool chicks and dudes. Yeah. But a hallmark of wilderness programs is it's routinely denying food or water for days at a time. It is really stupid.

Yeah. Yes. Water is a good thing. Water is a good thing. They're trying to break your spirit, they're trying to make, they do what they do in cults and what we did to interrogate people. It's that you fucking take them out where they don't know where the hell they are. Yeah.

You disorient them. You keep them up all night. You make sure that they're dehydrated, hungry. You walk them for days. You do all this shit just to feel like, because you're trying to, you're in your mind. You're like, no, being a zombie is good. On a much less severe level, back in the day when they were doing like football practices, it was no water.

You don't want water. Your water is for pussies. One water break every two hours. They did stop that practice. Yeah. Because they realized water is good. Makes you stronger. I don't know what it is about having water that makes you weak.

Why are you a pussie if you pussies? I don't. Was it like that for you two? Yeah. I don't know why. I don't understand. Ed was telling me about a thing called like, it was like a bowl in the ring that they used to do too.

Were they also beat the shit out of each other? That's fun. That's fun. You need to do it hydrated. Yeah. You do it hydrated. Yeah. Every two hours, they'd let us go over to the pipe.

For like 10 seconds. It was just a big piece of PVC pipe with holes in it and they turn on the hose. The hose. So it's basically, yeah, just a bunch of kids. Like you get water like you're a bunch of yard dogs. A bunch of cows. Yeah. And then if you take more than 10 seconds, everybody's like, hurry up man, we only got

two minutes. I was in drama with the girls and they were in their underwear and that was awesome. I was in a website story. Just one day at one of these camps would be good for you. See, that's the thing. I did both. You can have both best of both worlds, man. That Abilene Texas Community Theater.

Hi y'all. Like me showing up. Hey everybody. Hey. I want to get some water and pack. You come. You want to gossip. You come over here.

You want to get nothing nice to say. You just say it by me. You sit over here. One Act Play was a legitimate competition. We used to do competitive theater. That's what we used to do. You weren't thespians like I was. Oh yeah.

Oh my God. How many fucking productions of Steel Magnolias did I fucking see in high school? It was very popular. Who wants to take a whack of Weezer? Steel Magnolias. Oh good. You stop talking about me like I'm not here. I'm still Magnolias.

I've never seen it. Well, this, you know, the deaths. Let's get back to the deaths. Yes, please. Thank you. The deaths in these wilderness programs, they were explained away by Steve Cardisano as an acceptable quote unquote, window of loss. What?

Get the thing about a window of loss is that things get lost in that thing all the time. It's a person. Honestly, I keep telling these guys, we got to shut this window. And they don't listen. They're so busy spanking and not drinking. Well, by Cardisano's reckoning, as he told the staffer who later spoke out, they'd be helping so many kids in these wilderness programs that it was worth losing a few. Honestly, it's kind of nice because then it's like, at first I had 12 and it's like,

oh, I got to talk 12 of you to the bathroom. That's a lot. Once I'm down to like eight, I can have them all pissed in a row and I can just watch them as a group. That way, sure. But that didn't explain Cardisano's Puerto Rican facility where kids were found bound and gagged with nooses tied around their neck. See, I feel that's extreme.

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. And that's the thing, that Michelle Sutton death by dehydration written off as a tragic accident. No one got any charges brought against them. No, no, no. Even though she hadn't had a drink of water in seven days. But tragic accident.

But she was a kid. Don't worry because they had signed a monetary contract. See, again, it's nobody's fault because they signed this. It is incredible contract that just makes it all legal. Isn't that amazing? Well, I wouldn't say she hadn't. I don't think you can survive seven days without water, but she had very little water. I think it was three days or something.

It's not good. No, it's not. Seven days to die of dehydration. Yeah. But on the very small amount of water that she was given every other day. But Cardisano, he was taken down less than a month after Michelle Sutton's death when a kid in his care died from dehydration and hypothermia. Okay, you know, one that we can all attribute to God, right?

Because sometimes God sucks, right? But this second one, it's on me. That one is your fault? This one's on me. So is it the dehydration or is it the hypothermia you're taking the blame for? I'm just going to say, let's just call it a mulligan. A mulligan. I just need a redo on that kid.

If I could, but everyone's saying I can't because it's dead. Yeah. He's been living with negligent homicide, but he fled the country and he's never been seen since. So he's still alive. Hasn't been seen in decades. He might be dead now. Maybe.

He's probably dead now. Maybe. It's the 80s. Maybe. How old was he when he was doing all this stuff? No idea. I don't know. 40s?

What do you think? I don't know. Ballpark it. I mean, technically, if you move to the Mediterranean, they regularly live to their 90s things. So the olive oil. The seeded plants. The olives themselves are very healthy for you. He probably went to Costa Rica.

He had schools in Costa Rica. Do we ask your parents? They're now deceased. My grandparents are both deceased. I guess we don't have anyone else to ask about how to flee a country for various reasons. Perhaps the worst of these deaths came from a program called North Star, where a kid named Aaron Bacon endured weeks of torture at the hands of counselors. He had eventually developed an ulcer that ate through his stomach and poisoned his blood

and organs with intestinal bacteria. Now he may have survived that, but Aaron was also suffering from hypothermia, from being denied a sleeping bag and freezing weather, malnutrition and dehydration, from being denied food and water, exhaustion from hikes that would last up to eight miles, mental instability, from being gaslit concerning his conditions, and infections from sores resulting from wearing boots that were purposefully two sizes too small. Because again, it's supposed to teach him some kind of character, which he doesn't. No, of course it doesn't.

What's the lesson? What do you learn? Nothing. Well, tragically, Aaron could have been saved until literally the last hour of his life. And I say that with all seriousness, literally the last hour. Basic medical treatment, an IV, maybe some Pepsidase, but that wasn't the concern of the sadistic staff in charge of his well-being. In an example of what really mattered, one of the staffers wrote this in his journal,

10 Days Into The Journey. I finally wiped a smile off that bacon boy's face. And I finally broken his spirit. And then he died 10 days later. Congratulations. I actually think technically, if you just describe, if you remove bacon and put Zabrowski in there, I think that's what Lauren Michaels wrote when he sent me my feedback from my set on my live.

Yeah. You can really relate to this. Yeah, you auditioning in a fully heated, well-hydrated room. It is all about me. In Manhattan. Go away. In Manhattan. Yeah.

Okay. Now, Aaron Bacon's parents did try working with investigators to shut down the program that killed their son. But the whole thing fell apart when their primary witness, a staffer named Mike Hill, was himself accused of sexually abusing a teenager in the program in exchange for extra food. Oh my God. Yeah. And again, it went straight to like prison rules.

Of course. So bribery, right? Yeah. Now, since Aaron Bacon's death, at least 12 teens that we know of have died in wilderness programs. Four were related to heat and dehydration, while eight were related to restraints. Yeah. My buddy went to one of these and he just never, he did not come back the same.

Yeah. How long was he there for? He was there for, I want to say he was there for a summer. Oh. I didn't see him for a long time. It was rough. It was bad. It was not good for him.

Yeah. In one camp, a 65-pound 12-year-old was killed when his 320-pound counselor sat on him and refused to get up because the counselor thought the kid was playing possum when he stopped moving. That's where all the fucking food's going. Yeah. You got a 120-pound counselor. You know he's got a golf cart.

We ran, kids. We ran. We ran. We ran. Yeah. The thing about a rascal is that it's such a fun-sounding thing for a thing that's not. No. Not at all.

There's nothing rascally about it. Looking at a fat fuck-in-charge as you're starving and dehydrated must, I mean, guys, it's also... And then he's sitting on you. He's sitting on you. Yeah. It's all bad. Yeah.

But while the wilderness programs are certainly the deadliest genre in the troubled teen industry, the most infamous are its boarding schools. In particular, the one that has gained the most negative attention in the last 15 years or so is Alon School. Now I think the Alon School got as much heat as it did as because of how much publicity it had gotten in the first place. It was such a big deal that the fall was appropriately large as well. For 40 years, from the early 70s until very recently.

Too recently. Yes. Alon School subjected thousands of children to daily abuse, torture, dehumanization, and terror, both psychological and physical. And not like the fun way, not like when you go to Halloween horror nights. No. Because I learned nothing from them either. No.

But it's fun to do. I like amazes, but I don't learn anything. What's a good time? Yeah. Well, build as an alternative school that specializes in behavioral modification for teens, Alon School was located in rural Maine because Maine had lax regulations and laws regarding alternative schools. Yeah, think about...

It's an alternative school. You see how some schools, they educate you. We don't. We de-educate you, because again, yeah, Maine must have a crazy, fucking crazy... The regulations there must be so lax because it's like the pet cemeteries are out of control. Oh, absolutely. I mean... If you've ever been to an antique shop that tells you your innermost secrets, but then

you end up betraying everybody you know and love because it turns out the guy who owns the antique shop is the devil himself. It's really scary stuff. No regulation. Have you ever heard their Senator Susan Collins talk? I think that she might be in charge of one of these. No. Who's Susan Collins?

A judge. A judge. Nine. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, yes. Well, in other words, everything you're about to hear was, for the most part, totally legal. That means it's right, so episodes over.

Fantastic. The judge. These kids, all between the ages of 12 and 18, they came from all backgrounds. They were poor juvenile offenders sentenced to a law in school by judges. They were from wealthy families who just wanted to offload troublemakers. Sometimes, it was just kids who were having trouble in school because of learning disabilities Or kids who were depressed mentally ill and or autistic or just called being a teenager. Yes. Yes Basically, it was anyone who couldn't fit in with traditional society

The way that their parents wanted them to fit in it really is the entire cast of the dream orders. Yes Yeah, well for the low low price of $60,000 per student Jesus children were sent to a law school forcibly more often than not through what's known as a teen escort company Now kissle don't get too excited. It's not what you're thinking it is. No son. That's what I'm calling it right up there Again, as I joked about it in a previous live show. Teen, you got two years, 18, 19. That's it Well teen escort companies are perfectly legal businesses that kidnap children from their homes in the middle of the night So they can whisk them away to boarding schools in the most traumatic ways possible And it's all done with the complete consent of their parents. Can you imagine getting into this business?

Yeah, like just like deciding to start your own being like, you know what I've always wanted to do? Put children in straight jackets Every day I woke up as a kid. I wrote in my journal. Oh, I wish I could subject eight children to torture Yeah, kidnap kids and then drive them for days at a time while they whimpered and cried and screamed in the back Well, I hit them over and over again easy money easy money I would say I they are not gonna be the most sympathetic But I'm sure there are some edgier some abusers as well that had some deep trauma from all of this I mean how the turnover for the teen abduction business must be kind of high got to be as of 2004 there were at least

20 teen escort companies operating in the United States What yeah, and they could earn anywhere between five and eight thousand dollars per kid Depending on how far away the kid had to be transported down by the numbers Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, now teens were mostly picked up in the middle of the night to take advantage of their initial Disorientation and to minimize confrontation and risk if they were really dysfunctional juveniles. They'd be up They wouldn't be in the bedroom. No Commonly the kidnappers used violence handcuffs. They'd hogtie the kids with cable wires Whatever was necessary. Yeah, and it's they also do it because there's also a psychological edge

Especially in a lawn where like you are no longer in control of your life Right second those guys roll in your bedroom. You don't have autonomy anymore You belong to us so it is to dehumanize you to lift you up like a dog What could a parent could do that? But anyway, no, and that's the thing It's not only all legal. It is sanctioned by the Supreme Court. They loved it. Yay in 1979 the Supreme Court affirmed the legality of these programs in a decision to uphold the rights of parents to send their children Wherever they deemed best using whatever methods again, we can also grant those of you that have kids Maybe you do have a little psychopath child that you didn't know what to do with and I don't even mean this like derogatorily

I mean like maybe you do have a truly true Kevin. Yes, you have Kevin like maybe there is that right? But but this is not what we're talking about like this is not this is not helping anybody in this scenario Yeah, I mean this was based on the assumption that no parent would ever consent to abusive care That's that was the Supreme Court thinking. Yeah, no parent would ever send their kids to a torture device But they understand that most of them they wanted it Well, just a friend question for you. If we outlaw these programs, we don't have any children to raise We don't have any children to rape. What are we gonna do for Christmas? We really are the Supreme Court

Recently just a year and a half ago a man named Julio Sandoval who ran a teen escort company He was arrested for violating a restraining order taken out by a teenager's father Because the teenager's mother had threatened to send the kid to a troubled teen boarding school and the father figured Well, if I put her restraining order out, there's no way she's gonna break that she did Oh, yeah, she got she hired the teen escort company behind the father's back to break into the father's house To take the child away. This is a year and a half a year and a half. So lucky they didn't get killed Yeah, well, allegedly the teen was kidnapped and cuffed in California. Then he was driven 27 hours in handcuffs To a religious boarding school in Southwest Missouri called Agape. Isn't that weird after the Jack Parsons?

Serious because we know Agape. Agape is supposed to mean like an orgy. Like an orgy of pleasure It's like a whole thing like a day. I'll go your way. Yeah. Oh, well, that's not good Yeah, there he was held against his will until his father was finally able to track him down and free him Other man, that's a lucky kid. Yeah, like the fact your father actually came I mean, obviously there seems to be a lot going on the family. There is yes The mother was one of those. Yeah, I'm a very very insane Crazy person. Yeah, I mean he gets to channel his inner Liam Neeson knocked down the door and like give me my boy back It's kind of exciting as a dad

I think about Jackie getting kidnapped sometimes because it would be kind of fun to like go out the road and go get her like me And Jeff we get a couple guns. We're gonna couple of fucking bats mason cave We find the guys fucking eliminate them one by one by one. You really think you would do that Wacky guys fucking knees with a fucking hammer again and get right where you side to chair going Oh lord, she's gonna be like me thinks what you do and me Mr. Hammer says that he knows what you do You know what actually happened is you'd call 911 and then they'd be like can you describe your sister and then she's like She's got like a big head like a little like a little hat big body Well other stories being kidnapped include Hannah Kaye

Hannah Kaye said that she was kidnapped from her bed in the middle of the night when she was 13 by men that she believed were terrorists Oh, yeah, once she arrived at again the agape school. She was strip searched in a room full of grown men and had her head shaved Again, this is within the last few years. Yeah, they learned that from the Alon school Mm-hmm. They learned that from yeah war on terror Right another person who suffered this trauma said that for years afterwards They slept with their bed in front of their door with a knife under their pillow Fully dressed in case they needed to run for their life less They be kidnapped again every single fucking night of their life Wow

Now even though this should be highly illegal the only state to adopt legislation banning teen escort companies is Oregon, Oregon, Oregon, guess when they passed their legislation 2022 yeah We didn't the Kotak gal does she pass it yeah quite possibly yeah, so let's get back to the Alon school Okay, after a teen transport company finally arrived with a student at the aforementioned Alon school The teen would suddenly find themselves trapped in a facility located in the wilds of Maine It was truly in the middle of nowhere, right? And it was all designed to be like a shocking experience

Yeah, because they put the kids out front so you would be kidnapped by children, right? You'd have a couple of guys too, but a lot of times they especially Alon school They hire a couple of big beefy kids right the higher-level kids that would also come So you're in the car side-by-side with two children already and then you roll up to this which at first You're still because you're sold like all these other schools. You're sold that this is this like summer camp experience You know canoeing and horse riding and all the things you do if you've got a good tampon in right like you can play tennis You know big arts and crafts yeah, right, but when you show up there, it's actually a series of trailers and run down home So it's can't cross the it's very scary

And then you'd see like a kid in a dunce cap on being like to ask me why I'm an idiot Then you'd like see all these people doing these weird last resort Yes, and they do all of it like it's like out on the lawn and they do they design it so that when you show up You immediately want to run away. They want you to be scared It sounds like it and kids did try to escape But so many tried running away that guards were permanently posted in the woods to catch them which is even more terrifying Yeah, as the founder of alone school put it in a 1979 interview The first thing you learn at along is that you're not gonna get out of there. It was something. He was proud of great

Thank you. How brave but in 1993 one teenager did manage to get out But it was a tragic case of jumping from the firing pan into the fire That year 17 year old Don Bernbaum finally made it past the guards after multiple escape attempts And she was soon picked up by a trucker when she hitched a ride 12 hours later Don was a corpse on the side of the road Bound raped and strangled to death with a ligature by the same trucker who first picked her up Oh my god A trucker by the way James Robert Cruz jr. Strongly suspected of being linked to a series of trucker murders in Ohio

That suddenly stopped after his arrest Wow Damn, that's fun. That's even yeah, it's terrible Yeah, now after it was explained to a newly arrived teen that there was no way to escape a long school Probably using Don as an example of what would happen if they left. Oh, you think it was a gift to them Oh, yeah, 19 and it was 1993 they kept going for a long time after that Right, they'd be forced into a shower as the staff watched girls. It's called intake Mm-hmm girls would then get vaginal smears and rectal exams while the boys had to give semen samples and get tested for

Venereal disease, which I'm sure was the old Q-tip up the p-hole You don't want to go up that roll that's where the penis Q-tip song The kids were then given bland colorless clothing to erase their Individuality and they were thereafter cut off from the outside world at the alone schools discretion All male was red and monitored anything deemed inappropriate was confiscated and all outgoing male was censored That's a part of why they did it did last so long right because these kids could not write what was happening to them They were basically saying like lie to your parents I forgot that there's a term that they used for the letter that they wrote there was like I want to say it was called like a

Guilt letter. I'm wondering what's called the guilt letter Yeah, and what they would do is they'd write be like Elon schools magnificent. Yeah, we love every minute And I'm very sorry for what I've done to you. Yes. Yeah after a while students were allowed to call home, but they could do so under heavy Monitoring if the student began to talk at all about the abuse suffered or about anything that might make the school look bad The call was cut off and the student was severely punished. She'll go to sleep. Oh, I will put you to sleep Once showered violated and dressed the student was then assigned a big brother upon arrival Big brothers were older students who were basically prison guards. They would enforce rules and they would report infractions And they're also fellow students. Okay, that's a thing again. It's all kids on kids

Yeah, right and cruelly a common game amongst big brothers with new students was to pretend like they were planning an escape with the new charge Then when the student agreed to the plan they'd be reported to senior staff and they would be punished It's often that was your first punishment. Yeah, and it's called how Homeland Security gets his budget Exactly, but great profession as an FBI agent concerning that senior staff Most of them were in fact former students who had Graduated some were of course psychopaths who took advantage of the system But others were highly traumatized kids who have become converts as a survival mechanism. I find this fascinating Yeah, it's really interesting because I was watching a documentary called the last stop

Which was a big one on the Elan schools and there are like one or two people in there. They were like, you know Well, one of them cared there was like one person who cared like because they had all of a bunch of different Elan schools And so some of them were kind of a little bit more like easy-going ones and some were the high max security ones And so you see a lot of them people saying the lower ones They were kind of like, oh, you know, I learned some lessons, but once you go to I think it's Elan two Which was like really fucked because Elan one was burnt down by the students. Yeah Wow, Elan one was burnt. That's how bad the school was is that it was literally burnt down by their own constituents They had it then they just rebuilt a new one right down the road, right? So it's just Stockholm syndrome survival

Basically, it's a little more complicated. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, what do they call it when a prisoner gets a institutional institutionalism Yeah, well as author Maya Zalovitz puts it in her book help at any cost people who go through these programs have been conditioned to support and accept The treatment they've received through the sunk cost fallacy They overvalue their experience because they have paid so dearly for it already Some participants in order to just deal with the trauma they've gone through They need to have their suffering to have served some purpose I get it then once they feel the joy when the abuse is over once they've graduated They see their experience as transformative rather than useless and unnecessary

It's like after you get through level five at UCB and realize you didn't make a house team and you spent twenty five hundred dollars Yeah, now you're just some bald guy in converses that no one will fucking anymore, but you are slightly better public speaker Yeah, yeah, well another tactic used in this vein is the mystical manipulation technique Which is a little closer to a cult strategy used mostly by faith-based programs like straight ink the mystical manipulation technique Makes the participant feel as if God himself is aligned with their goals Yeah, that is very very interesting now See if you're repeatedly told that everything happens for a reason then any positive coincidence is seen as a sign that God is working Through your program to further his goals by contrast any negative event is seen as can you get this one been the devil's doing yet?

Oh test of your faith You know straight ink they also do stuff where they hit you with like songs and stuff Did you see the song one of the songs that you have to do in straight ink? I am straight hear me roar it numbers too big to ignore And I know too much to go back and pretend because I've heard it all before and I've been down there on the floor I be I am straight I kind of like it. It's not bad I mean a lot of these programs would use songs as way as a way to really drill the

Message in their heads in sixth grade. There was a smokes a smoke-free song. That's we are the smoke-free class of 2002 triple zero be a Be a hero not a zero something like that, but it was a smoke-free class of program didn't work. I think so Wait 2002, how did you your two-year-old in 2000 you say you said 2000 but then that's why triple zero made sense But then you said triple you said 2002 in the song that you misremembered. No, I didn't I'm calling a kissle escort company to pick you up I know you're gonna like it Yeah, you just said 2002. Did you graduate high school when you were like 20? No, I graduated high school in 2000 Oh, okay. I was 18. Hmm. Interesting. Maybe we'll look at your fucking records

TJ was 64th, and I wanted to be dead last but he got dead last yeah, I was 664 out of 666 no kid cool sweet. Oh nice. That's a big school. Yeah, number one We know nine people in your class 12 Well this way of looking at the world, you know the whole thing of like, you know If it's good God's working through me if it's bad. It's a test That essentially rewires your brain into a new belief system where the program is the only thing that matters because again It's the it's you're in or out because once you're in it you're fucking in it

Yeah, you're not getting out of it. So you have to find out a way to work your way through besides just killing a bunch of people Mm-hmm until the cops gonna get you you have to kind of ship up Mm-hmm And then once you abandon your old value system for a new one the things that you might have previously thought wrong are Suddenly right and it's being done for the greater good Mm-hmm when you put mystical manipulation and the sunk cost fallacy together victims will eventually become Susiastic perpetrators who can't imagine acting any other way in fact many are often surprised and bewildered when they're later told

That they were committing criminal abuse That's even after they're arrested for it because again, it feels institutionalized Yeah, because you feel it is institutionalized But it feels like it's a part of the American system because we're getting you're literally Supported by the US government while you're doing all of these things under the auspices of training and helping kids Like you're so you are you have the full green light from the US government at that moment in time to do whatever it is That you're doing and it's that's only afterwards everyone's like whoa whoa whoa what happened? Yeah Now the average student at a long school was there for 18 months, but some could be there as long as four years

Usually 150 students were living at a lawn at any one time and those 150 were split between three buildings Housing 40 or 50 students at each structure following a strict social hierarchy Where the students were made to police and inform on themselves? Everyone was split into two classes strengths and non-strengths non-strengths couldn't talk to strengths or non-strengths but strengths could talk to non-strengths if a non-strength talk to a strength without being addressed first or if they talk to another non-strength at all at all they would be in violation of a list of rules called Guilts

Breaking any of the guilts whose numbers reached into the dozens. Yeah, we would result in severe punishment And it was it was extremely complicated like you can see it was extremely complicated because the whole point was to fuck up Yeah, so that you could get sure again and again. It's a form of psychological warfare Yeah, it's designed to make students conform to the exact standards of the school and society at large What a society at large. It's about like big again becoming like a faceless nameless person in a machine You could have done well here Henry you like D&D a lot of rules a lot of I couldn't I had to drop out of karate because I couldn't call the guy sensei The whole time I was like why am I gonna call you what are you because you're in Queens, New York

We're not Karate is invented the first thing I remember is why I got called little devil boy in Catholic school Like when I was doing sunny schools because like the priest when we were talking about remember like being real young being like Why do I have to tell my sins to you? Who are you? Like why don't I just talk up to the big guy and the guy was just like you see I got the whistle Let me tell you a little thing about a spank bank So when you tell me your sexual fantasies You're investing in my spank I get that yes, why don't you just say that no problem?

I get now that you were making a joke I thought for a second there that the whistle was something that priests actually have that's a little I know about Catholicism I thought that's how they control no we got the bells They got that they hide the bell to make you think that they you're actually like transmuting the fucking they were Eucharistic to human flash and shit little smoke and mirrors Well, there's one cool thing about the Catholic Church though You know the big old table that they got there every church. It does have a Saints bone in it. Yeah, it's true It's kind of cool. Well gilts included, but we're not limited to

Talking too quietly or too loudly talking too much or not enough talking about anything not related to a long school And we're gonna be in trouble for that already Am I too loud? It's just checking you. Yeah, it's just checking you man You could get a guilt for looking at someone of the opposite sex Avoiding looking at someone of the opposite sex looking outside looking at the floor having negative body language being sideways Whatever the fuck that means. Yeah, what does that mean? I don't know like you can't see it on the show, but it's it's side-eyes

side-eyes Snarkiness snarky Aubrey Plaza would do very poor. Oh, yeah, that's right That's her character. You could get gilts for not falling asleep sleeping too long Laughing at jokes eating too much or not enough rolling your eyes swearing without permission Making any physical contact couldn't even shake hands or if you voiced or showed any decent and we like to announce our valedictorian of 2023 Ben Shapiro He actually just absolutely nailed it I the only time I want a woman to be wet is when the tears are coming down her face

That's a fun Ben Shapiro joke about Me it is funny Well the amount of impossible to follow rules at Elan school guaranteed that a teen would break a rule and break it often Yeah, cuz they're abstract rules. They're not even fucking real tangible. They're done to be bro They are done to make you get punished. Yeah, they always brought severe punishment and the kids all would then They would chattel on each other throughout the day, right? So you put in like little like saying like I saw Jeremy like look at this girl and the idea is that because you will get to general meeting Mm-hmm. Oh

Usually a guilt would be reported by Expeditors other students who acted as guards and once it was reported the staff would decide what to do Punishments were called learning experiences or le's and the goal of almost every le was public humiliation general fucking meeting This is like when I had to push the basketball with my nose across the court on all my hands and knees I was actually really expecting a lot more traumatic stories from you. Yeah, uh, you want No, I saw the ball like I saw the back of your eyeballs look through the ball Well at the lowest level possibly for something small like looking outside

Groups of four students called dealing crews would scream insults and slurs at the offender for extended periods of time Which is the only time students were allowed to swear during those insults They needed to it's because all general meetings you're supposed to rip somebody to fucking shreds and now we'll like to enter tonight's entertainment Jeff Ross I don't think you'd like this. No, I don't think so. This isn't really roasting because you supposed to roast with love Yep. No, this is this is uncorked roasting Roastings even difficult that you're talking about joke structure. Yeah, it's just screaming. Yeah, yeah, no structure Yeah, but for other relatively small infractions like smiling without permission a student would be given what was called

Shot-down duty which was menial labor like scrubbing trash cans or cleaning bathrooms with a toothbrush Sometimes you clean the toilet with your bare hands. That's fantastic. Well, I can do it. Well, anyway, we've all done that before I he skipped the part where he said what it is that he did I just know I don't want to know Well again In a more bizarre tactic students were given costumes or signs to wear depending on the infraction if a student acted immature They would be forced to wear diapers over their clothes put pacifiers in their mouths and hold rattles And sometimes they wear a sign that says I'm a big baby

Okay, it's kind of like the haze in from that one show that one fantastic movie dazed and confused No, there's a little bit of that It's also just a way to debase someone completely. Yes, because in days to confuse that's like 30 minutes Maybe you know when they're free afterwards and they're really accepted They get to go to the big kegger after and I do a thing in a in Sunday school where I had I got to stand up my knees and hold two books in my hands. Sure. Yeah, like like justice like Lady Justice Yes, yeah, or like Jesus Christ just like him just like Jesus with the mouth open for sucking But if a kid even considered escaping they'd be labeled as a split risk

And they were given shoes without laces and were forced to wear bright yellow shirts and tiny pink shorts Very Joe Arpaio of them. Yes And if they were still considered a risk or if they tried escaping anyway, their legs would be shackled They'd be forced to wear a pink bunny suit and they were denied shoes Jesus And again, they're all laughing at it. Yeah, and they're it's it's it's very just because of the shot down Me also would mean that you'd go from strength to non-strength and it's also it is juvenile Sounding, but it's just so deeply traumatized That is the the crux of it and the kids don't actually fully know how fuck they're getting yeah

I agree. I think that's exactly what happened. Well, it's because it's encouraged of like Oh, it's it's your turn now You know, I now I get to heap abuse on you because you heaped to be some abuse on me last I get to do it It's called marriage What's like fucked up is that it's their view of what life is you know, I mean, it's their view of what they think every I think It's a transactional punishment system And that's all being an adult is is you go to work you come home Yeah, you're white

Right well girls who were thought to engage in any sort of sexual activity were first to wear signs that said ask me Why I'm a slut while others would wear signs that said help. I'm an emotionally crippled monster T-shirt time Yeah, I am an emotionally crippled monster because it's help acts at yeah exclamation point Period they didn't trade market. Let's uh, no yeah It'll be our next shirt that we donate to charity. I literally yeah, we'll sell that shirt for and give it to the kids Yeah, the kids But if the psychological humiliations didn't work staff would move on to the physical

Students who acted crazy were put in straight jackets for days weeks or months at a time Then they were locked in a small room called the corner all of them said that they would prefer the physical abuse to the corner Yeah, every silk every kid that's in these interviews. Yeah, and Alon school wasn't the only place to use forced isolation Boss was even worse. They had the box That was a three by three foot structure made of plywood built again on a concrete floor. Oh my god masturbation three days in the box just Automatically just let me in there for a month. I'll just keep jerking off Like Randy from South Park when he finally got to come after they lost internet

And sometimes students would spend weeks in the box and they were only let out for showers and bathroom breaks at staff discretion This is fucking this is Iraqi shit. Do you be fair? You don't need a bathroom break or you don't need a shower You do need a bathroom break. It doesn't matter if you stink in there. I guess at some point you're depends on what level you're doing Well, we'll get to it But if you do fight as much as possible against the system, you could just pee your own pants, but then they they do punish you It's horrible, but at Alon school once you were in the corner, you'd have to sit up straight and face a wall constantly Or you were beaten you'd also be given a toilet bucket that you sort of had to figure out for yourself cuz straightjacket But sometimes they just dump it on your head for really no reason

Yes, that was a big thing that they did there. Yeah and dumping disgusting things over people's heads This was a common tactic at Alon school so much so that they even had a name for their special slurry. They called it Electric sauce. Yeah, it is so fucking gross if you are busted for singing is swimming in a porta-potty at the next Lollapalooza You can get some sympathy by just saying I was actually at Alon school Yeah, the only way I learned how to have pleasure Will be flipped for you. But wow, that's really bad. It's also why Guy Fury had to change into donkey sauce Because he said that the donkey sees it donkey sauce sounded more palatable It is more palatable and it's kind of that's right

Electric sauce was a mixture of garbage ketchup mustard cigarette butts Jesus and sometimes human feces if they're feeling froggy Just sometimes just sometimes and that slop would be poured over the offending students head as punishment for whatever I actually think it's worse that the human feces is only sometimes why cuz you never know you never know if you come to Expect the human feces every time you can build up an expectancy to anything Well, maybe that's maybe that's something they can debate at their next big meeting for her always have a lot of schools are thankfully Yeah, thank god Sometimes students would be handcuffed to tables or their own ankles for days and spanking with ping-pong paddles were common All of this of course encouraged rampant sexual abuse at Alon school for both pleasure on the part of the perpetrators and

Punishment for the students. Yeah, one staff member defended the molestation of a girl by calling it love therapy While other girls were locked in rooms with boys who had histories of rape sometimes for weeks at a time But at the end of it the punishment at Alon school. That's probably the most well known is the ring Yeah, this is for like like was it last means last the last the last chapter. I don't like it when they have these kind of Ambiguous ambiguous names. Well, that's how they do it. It's all it's all cult mentality Used as both a means of entertainment and punishment the ring featured one student as the star of the show If a student committed a big enough guilt He'd be pushed into a boxing ring giving gloves and a mouth guard and dubbed the bully

While the entire student body hurled abuse at the bully The kid was forced to fight a never-ending stream of opponents with no rest Yeah, you just have to keep going and they just send in fresh guys and it said anything We start with the big kids They just keep sending in people because according to the founder of Ilan school. He was like the bully could never win This was naturally too much for any teenager to physically handle and before long They'd be beaten and bloody usually collapsed in the ring from exhaustion at that point students would sometimes prop up the bully While the beatings continued all while the rest of the student body cheered on the process basically because it wasn't them

Yeah, it wasn't them that time. Yep Now the ring was well known to Maine State investigators for years But they actually defended the use of the ring by saying that was only used when the offending student committed repeated acts of violence And the bouts were supposedly evenly matched, but it also kind of feels like why didn't you? Call the police then. Yeah, I mean like why instead of you just you budger random people they're truly violent and scary person Yeah, but it seems like one of those things like we take care of our own Yeah, and they get and they actually get respected for taking care of their own and not involving not using social services not using their tax Yeah, cuz then they'd have to do their jobs. Yeah, that's a fucking sex sucks

You want to go down that roll Oh, yeah, they're gonna pour poo-poo on your head. I love that roll. Yeah, I love that roll. You might as well say yeah I love when I knew the boobies. That is better Well that even matching in the ring that did not seem to be the case for 15 year old Phil Williams Who died in the ring in 1982 now Phil suffered chronic migraines But when he complained of headaches at the Alon school He was put into the ring because complaining was a guilt. Well, they also said that he was faking. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah Well, that's everything is faking it. Nobody ever has any actual real medical problems. It's always fake. You're just trying to get out

Yeah But Phil lasted through the constant barrage of punches from rage-filled teenagers for ten minutes Refusing to fight back the whole time, but after three rounds he collapsed vomited turned blue and died Oh my god, now his family was told that he died from a brain aneurysm related unrelated to the ring But a student later got hold of the family and told him what really happened But since the main medical examiner's office did no autopsy Did put it down as natural causes Nothing to be done because it was the word of the students versus the word of the staff again

The main medical examiner has got like he's got to deal with like a dude got his arm bit off by a phantom clown Oh, that was horrible. He's got like that was fucking terrifying and it turned out that all these kids went up to the ham on their little girlfriend And his face got ripped off by sap. Yeah, that was crazy. You gotta be careful What else do they have to do in this town other than look into this? Oh, I have to defend themselves from the imagination of Stephen King at all times Well, credibly the ring was still used for another 20 years, but presumably after the death of Phil Williams Along school changed what happened if a student refused to fight back Instead of being them until they died the staff would call what was known as a general meeting

Dreaded by every student at a long school as the worst of the psychological punishments General fucking meeting! I don't want to go In a general meeting which could be ring-related or not the entire student body would convene in a dining room after a staff member screamed General meeting! Once all hundred and fifty or so students were there a broomstick was placed on the floor in front of the student who had Committed the guilt that resulted in the general meeting and all the other students stood on the other side That staff would then order the students to quote get your feelings off and a session of

Screaming insults would begin that lasted between 40 minutes and two hours They don't understand is that you could get all of this out if you just get yourself a podcast Yeah, yeah, you can yell and scream. I'm a professional yellow. Yeah No, well they had radio. Yeah, but that took a lot. I mean technically I had to go to college for that Yeah, yeah, I think I did nothing. It's really kind of victim blaming isn't it? No, I am not saying I am being a fun person. Okay. Okay, but every student would either take turns or all at once Scream abuse at the guilty student saying whatever they wanted. However, they wanted no matter how cruel the statement It needed to be cruel. In fact the cruelty was the point. Yeah, it needed to be cruel

This is an attempt to thoroughly mentally and emotionally break the teenager and while it might sound rare General meetings were called multiple times a day all day long the chaos and like I guess That's also like what made the Elon schools that much more notorious than the other ones is just the general sense of total chaos Yeah, that the environment was because it was these things were all popping off around you all day long You never knew where you stood every where you went you had eyes on your back You were and we were all again you're all hanging yourselves by the same news and it happens so fast You can't even think now and in addition to that It's there's a surreal nature to it because you look and you see a guy dressed as a gigantic baby

You see a girl wearing a pink bunny suit with her leg shackled. Yeah, nothing makes sense It's what the CIA did during the satanic panic dressing everybody up as the Illuminati and shit You got a guy with a Bill Clinton mask on doing a bunch of weird shit just to make you sound fucking crazy No, that was Bill Clinton himself. Yeah, but this is the interesting thing because it makes you sound crazy when you get out, right? Yeah, there's a baby over there Okay, thanks for coming back on Donahue Another fantastic episode well on a smaller scale students would also scream at each other during Encounter groups where the offender would sit in a circle while their peers shetted the worst things they could think of

Do you think that little people Ku Klux Klan members are just thinking what we're saying Do you think little people Ku Klux Klan members? Do you think they have to make the shit like costume or do you think they buy they buy hoods for kids? This is just a random thought that you had I think that they would may have to make it custom. I think all KKK gear is custom It is a tailor. It's like a mob. No, I think their wives do it for them. Wow. Yeah, interesting. Yeah sexist Maybe there's like Terry who's just like he's a little different, but he makes her costumes Yeah, no one judges because like I put a little extra wizard on yours

And they're like, thank you Terry. Yeah, I won't beat you to death today. Oh But the thing about all this to remember is that everything from the electric sauce to the corner to the spankings to the mass beatings to the Psychological abuse it was all not only perfectly legal, but investigated and approved They loved it by the state of Maine Maine Investigated along school 11 times after allegations of abuse, but they filed no criminal charges against the school Well, they also did clean up. Mm-hmm. In fact, Maine governor James Longley pointed to the fact that physicians and officials were still referring Students to a law school as proof that nothing harmful or abusive ever happened. There you go. It's proof. Yeah, it's cuz it's systemic beatings It's proof. It's also again when they showed up. There weren't any beatings when they showed up

They're all like we love it here and they'd have like two kids doing jump rope in the front They do it like it what they would make a fake dead, of course not that much. They still knew about the ring They still showed them the ring. Yeah, this is where we put kids and we beat the shit out of it They just wish they could do it to their own aides Well similarly when the media covered along school whether it be 60 minutes or Sally Jesse Raphael They fond over it as a positive example of radical therapy that was going to save our troubled teens Who are of course far more dangerous and rebellious than any generation who had come before 60 minutes also a total fucking lie It's 36 minutes 36 minutes with commercials. I also want to say to our maybe some of our younger listeners

That's why like, you know in a way you are like at least you didn't grow up in this. Yeah Well, I mean they got another thing. Yeah, yeah Well, I mean that thing is too is like with the media the 60 minute There was a 60-minute segment on the founder of a lawn school and they fully showed the kids screaming They showed them they showed how fucking brutal it can be in the like Jesus. It's radical, but it works It doesn't know no But the thing about all these trouble teen schools and institutions is that they were usually created by a singular person to at Most and many of the tactics were learned from unlikely places

Especially concerning a lawn school and especially concerning the general meetings There was a singular source of inspiration that source was a drug rehabilitation program turned cult called Synan on Which is the story we'll tell on the next episode of our series on the troubled teen industry Yeah Well, I mean just don't send them to the highly abusive school where they're, you know fucking shattered emotionally It's so wrong for kids to have a couple of ciggies and drink some malt liquor and do some like fucking like a little bit. It's like a little fishtail That was my child. That was my teenage years. Yeah. That's wrong. No, it's not Marlboro Reds It's called adolescence. You learn you do you get a big cigarette for the first time

You're choking you choke up a bunch of blood and shit, and then you know, I love to smoke now Yeah, right, and then you do that for like 15 20 years Oh, yeah, right, and then you're fucking all fucked up Mickey's big mouths. They still sell red dog beer Oh, I don't know about red dog or came in the 30. No Coors dry I think it's just turned into something else Bartels and James We like man like a sweet keystone natural light All the real farm boons farm is still around That had flavor in a dog 2020

Thunderbolt There was none. There was one. It was more like a lady. It was like it was shopped the ladies It was called like palisades or something something like that. Yeah. Yeah, let the kids have a couple drinks looking in Europe They do only only only have to have it themselves They have to figure out how to get it done and not get caught make some smart. I think all right everyone Well, thank you so much for listening. It's educational, and I love this series. I was like why are we covering this? It sounds very serious, but it is I think we nailed it Oh, yes, we did and you didn't fucking beat me down

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