Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 519: The Troubled Teen Industry Part III - Joe Ricci and the Murder of Martha Moxley

Episode Date: January 21, 2023

This week the boys conclude the story of The Troubled Teen Industry leading up to the modern age of the Industry as well as the story of Joe Ricci and the Murder of Martha Moxley.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Oh god, let him go Richie let him go Richie This is like there's a lot of sad information in this. Yeah, I also Unfortunately, too. I went on a full like I did this. It's almost old school in a way Well, I was up to three o'clock in the morning on a straight up old school rabbit hole Yeah, yeah, I just on forums was deep into forums It's that old school if you're not at a public library looking at microfiche. I'm talking about old school for me

Man, it was good to feel it though and get back in the bones It's super paranoid like when we did the MK ultra episodes, but the thing is guess what what does it mean? It always leads back to MK ultra in some way shape or form every time Yeah, it's CIA money man CIA fucking money dude that funny money dude, which I make every week And I want to say again before we start. Thank you to the CIA for sponsoring me and my little CIA yeah, it is the Culinary Institute of America But that's what we call it on the inside because I mean the central intelligence agency. Yes, I have an op But guess what I only do it for the lulls. Yeah, I wouldn't do a rabbit hole myself

I found a bunch of half-eaten carrots picky-ass rabbits Welcome to last podcast on the left everyone been hanging out with Henry and Marcus Marcus something you'd like to say I do I want to ask Henry my gut Are you an actual op? Are you just saying that you're an op to throw us off the trail? Or is this a double-blind where you're an op but you're saying you're not enough But you're making a joke that you're an op but you're really actually an op quadruple op questions Any answers are being asked. How can someone ask the ocean a question? I guess so think about this if we are all just mysterious entities floating through a polygon universe in which we are just

Representations of energies as our our brains are operating systems that manage to sort of put together reality What are what is even a question? What is even objective fact? You know what I asked the ocean gotta get a towel Not gonna be a struggle hey, could I get a towel you made me all wet now. Could I get a towel? All right a rabbit hole much a fucking half-eaten carrots picky-ass How good we are content professionally means that we it's monetized I've now officially done this show for the entirety of my 30s Oh, Marcus is 40 years old and what a great episode to honor his 40 years Probably going back to pastroba that all of us that I know our listeners have experienced

So thank you so much for everyone who's listened to this series And I know for many of you it's brought up some difficult feelings, but we'll get through this together and beat these motherfuckers All right, we're on the troubled teen industry part 3 Joe Ritchie and the murder of Martha Moxley Now the troubled teen industry is obviously made up of cruel institutions that use violence and humiliation and a vain attempt To set teens on a path that's acceptable to their lazy and or gullible parents But that begs the question as to what type of person finds these methods to be not only sustainable But essential assholes there you go Would you rather have lazy parents or parents who are so far up your ass?

They could pick your nose from the inside because I watched South Park Kenny's parents horrible But he got to do whatever he wants. Yeah, but then butters parents up his butthole, and he's deeply traumatized I feel like we could search for a middle I feel like there's a there's a way to maybe not do either of those with a stand. Yeah, Randy You're Randy's Randy's a sexual pervert who looks at animal porn But again, that's on his time true true and furthermore since most of these schools are only loosely based on therapy programs Originally intended for adults stuff like synonym It begs the question as to what kind of person fills in the blanks with straight jackets

solitary confinement and electric sauce an asshole In some cases these people were nothing more than grifters and copycats the type who see a new Regulation-free industry blossoming and therefore they decided to throw their hat in the ring with no previous experience Kind of like how we mess with humans minds for the US government did for a period of time in the 1950s And they found all these kind of applicable ways to make money off it truly and then continue it going it seems that that's a really Like the attractive thing this idea of like look over get into the basement of a business It's all about fucking with human brains and it is interesting to see a bunch of guys just go like yeah, well I mean, it's like they're finally given permission

You know, it's like it's like people who really do look at humans as robots They look at other people as not human They're the only human that exists in this world and so finally you have an actual job in which you can your entire job Is to treat people like robots? Yeah, and I watch one of those documentaries called human resources which was one of those like old school It's an old school conspiracy head video that is on the left side versus the right side And so you just get real deep into how Taylorism like making scientific management led to all of this stuff It is interesting, but it's a lot of like well technically that's business

But also it's like profoundly cruel the way they look at people as like sort of moving Autonomous arts and then they just figured out how to do that again and again and again. Yeah, sounds like a half-eaten carrot to me Well for an example of a grifter look no further than the aforementioned Gail Palmer Whose rip-off wilderness program summit quest resulted in a tragic and needless death by dehydration Just two months after Gail launched the venture But when it comes to Alon the cruelest of these schools which we went into in-depth in episode one It took a special mix of egomania sociopathy narcissism neglect drug abuse and sadism to create their proverbial

Electric sauce. It's that poo poo shoot. I don't like that at all I'm talking of course about the Alon schools co-founder Joe Richie. I am not a criminal. I'm not a mobster I'm not anything of other than this line. I I'm just simply I'm a principal. I'm an extreme principle I hate to I hate to stereotype, but you sound like a criminal and a mobster. No Oh, what do you mean? You mean to say there's some kind of like criminal accent? Okay? Here you can have you racist. Oh, I'm not it's more of it. Yeah, I wear check suits Yeah, and yeah, I got this chain, right? Yeah, I drive a world's worst And but I deal in the business of screaming children

So you'd be like oh, he must be a criminal, but no, I'm running for governor Well, that wouldn't necessarily stop you from being a criminal criminals never politicians. No, no, that wouldn't work out How do you say mozzarella? You might be a criminal Well Joe Richie was a native of Port Chester, New York located just north of New York City Nice raised by his maternal grandparents Joe's father was an alcoholic nicknamed bamboo Oh, because he could bounce back from any punch and he was locally known as the kingpin of bar fights I certainly wish he was known as the kingpin of good fathers. Yeah, that would have been nice

Maybe you wouldn't be such a criminal. I don't know honestly. I think it might just be in my very nature Yeah, you got some chicken parm on your face there. Hmm. I'm saving that Yeah Well as far as little Joe's nickname went he was called Joe rich because he was tough Sharp and able to get himself out of any sticky situation, which is a skill that would serve him. Well later in life Additionally Joe Richie was a vindictive little fuck and if you ever crossed him, he'd never let you forget it That would also serve him for the rest of his life. It's a that is a common trait amongst cult leaders, isn't it? Yeah, it really is

Now when Joe was 15 in the year 1961 He got into a car accident with three friends and got thrown from the vehicle He spent months in the hospital learning to walk again, but after Joe recovered he allegedly Self-medicated with heroin. I mean, that's a real cool way to do it. It's very jazz Let's see if he learned how to play any musical instruments Also, I think the only cult leader that actually would forgive is Charles Manson I feel like he let a lot of stuff slide, but the things he did were like a big deal. It's because he didn't have an eye for detail, right? Well pretty soon Joe Richie was sent to a residential treatment facility for persons in need of supervision

It's pretty much an early version of a troubled teen facility. Welcome to peepholes now What you'll see here is every single painting. Those are not eyes Not a one, not looking at you. I purposely when I went to art school to make art to put on the hallways of this Incredibly restrictive teaching environment. I just said peepholes. I don't even know how to draw a pupil I've been the janitor of peepholes for 15 years and I have never seen so much come Well Joe spent two years in this facility and he returned to high school in 1963, but since Joe was two years older than everyone. He dropped out in 1966 at the age of 21 Dropping out of high school at 21 is like renouncing your citizenship to Atlantis

It's like that quarterback who just won the championship for Georgia. He's like 48 Well still supposedly struggling with heroin addiction Richie reluctantly entered a residential drug and alcohol program called Daytop Village in Manhattan after he got caught robbing a mail truck. That's where you go. We'll kick a drug habit 1970s Manhattan. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah, that's good. Maybe Oklahoma would have been better Well, interestingly Daytop was founded by a Synanon graduate named Ron Boncato I mean with Synanon is just everywhere That's what we covered it last week because you really see just how really spread and how the pain kept spreading Yeah, and I think this is probably I don't know this for certain

But it seems like this is probably when Joe Richie first learned about the game Mm-hmm, and of course he would use that to great harm so we don't run it along without Synanon None of this stuff happens or at least it happens differently. It happens differently. It's I would say without Synanon It's not a psychologically traumatizing, but you know boot camps and shit like that They're torture has been used as a motivator for better behavior since the beginning of time There doesn't work on the Iranian soccer team. No, whoa That's a dig they lost No, there was a couple of there's a guy named dr. Arnold Hootschnecker

That was that he worked under the Nixon administration and he literally wanted to create what he called. It's not a concentration camp But it was like a place where a bunch of kids could Concentrate right they could be in this place all one yeah before to do with a bunch of like and basically it was a way for Them to handle trouble kids and that was floated to Richard Nixon and he in his wisdom said no For a short period of time, but it did seem to not die there. Okay. Yeah So yeah, so this shit's been around for a long time. Yeah, and behaviorism that's the other thing a little bit of humor You just talk about it. Yeah, that's much that's a whole different thing trying to create a utopia of just machine people It's been a thing that we've been honestly like hoping for and working for for a long time have eaten carrots

Well additionally day top village that was where Nancy Reagan was first made aware of the youth drug epidemic in the 80s Her visit to day top village is widely credited to be the genesis of the just say no program That's great. Absolutely. That's just what Ronald Reagan used to say when she used to slip off them Peanies Oh, I think Ronnie said yes. She was quite attractive back in the day Nancy Reagan. Oh, yeah Yeah, you know they used to call her like golden throat or something. She phoned all the guys in Hollywood. He's been he's been lonely since Vegas Golden throat, huh something like that. I always just saw her as a skeleton. No, she was so hot back in the day I'll do some research talk But suddenly in my mind

I just thought like when I rather sleep with Nancy Reagan or Angela Lansbury and I think Angela Lansbury because of all the Voices brother. You are just so fucking out of your element right now. That's young Nancy, dude Okay, look at her there. Yeah, she's fine. Yeah, she's beyond fine She was our president for like a year. She was oh, yeah, that's true But concerning Joe Ritchie a judge gave him the option of either doing seven years in a state penitentiary for robbing the mail truck Or entering a drug rehab. So Joe took Can't wait for that option Absolutely, however, some of Joe's relatives say that Joe actually never had a heroin problem

But heroin always made a nice excuse when he needed to get out of a legal jam There's a little bit of that I believe because I think that Joe Ritchie as you'll see is nothing but a complete and total Perfectly bred opportunist. Yeah, he knows how to make situations work for him So I think that he started off Truly with the criminals mind which a lot of times at a mindset that is similar in many ways you'd view it as a quote-unquote Business man's mind, right? Because he knows how to flip things You know how to make things that are would be detriment to others. He sees them as a opportunity I'm gonna buy in low on myself and that like when he goes in something like you understand

He's like, oh, I don't go to jail. I can just like say I'm like, oh god I'm so sick and you could go to like, oh, I'm gonna screw this fucking. It's called a village Look, oh, this is incredible. It'll be a fountain Be like a malt shop. I could go down there get some sundries I can go get some I can go get an ornament a Christmas ornament and bring it home I mean, look, oh that's awful. All you got to do is pay off a local congressman and then boom whatever you're doing illegal It's made legal much like Dana White's new venture slap fighting. I watched this on TNT yesterday It is going to lead to death. Oh, no. Have you you've never watched professional slapping? It's Brett now

It's in Nevada. It's sanctioned. Yeah, dude. You've never seen professional slapping was bleeding from his fucking ear And they're like, oh what a great game it was. I was like that was about to die I mean the other game. That's the piece of twine around the ears That's what the ears and you have to pull it back and forth and whoever fucking folds first is the ultimate pussy That's still legal. I mean me my buddies used to slap fight in college That was one of the things that we would do is like at parties Yeah, you would just slap someone when they weren't looking and of course then the game was on and then they slapped you when you Weren't looking it just got progressively harder and harder as everyone got drunker and it's had zero adverse effect on you

No, you're not scared. No, I hung out with the girls Shut up. No, you didn't I hung out with the girls There's a difference between hanging out with girls and hanging around I was in the room with women. Yeah, there were girls hanging out when we were doing slap fights, too It was a party. Yeah, but the whole time they'd be like this man Yeah, that's what they were getting turned on by these man slapping each other. No Well, Joe was attending day-top village He met and began dating his first wife Sherry Ben which disagrees immediately because we talked about you did a little bit last week

Where you said it ingest that a was nothing but fat old divorce men in a lonely room Just the guys that I know that have been I just got a lot of feedback from that of people being like I'm a hot woman and I was an AA and all I did was get fucked And then I got a lot of that like you'd be surprised you's around or be like you're like it's called 13 step Well, it seems like they need to go to another meeting Sexual prowess they know it's too sexual. I think it's nice Well one day Richie showed up at the travel agency where Sherry worked and he announced that he was done with a top Because they wouldn't let him graduate. They wouldn't let him

I'm to day all the whole time I was like, oh, hey, hey, just like they kept asking me. Would you please teach here? And I was like, oh Let's see. I got other options. I got I got a go I got to go think all the I gotta I got other situations. I gotta suss out Absolutely like do a bunch of heroin in order to get off of what charges of robbery Yeah, robbed a mail truck like he's fucking Jesse James. That's just incredible. It was a time where it's like, yeah I did commit an act of robbery, but I'm also doing this other illegal thing. So why don't we just let me off? Well soon after he left day top village Joe got engaged to Sherry and by December of 1969 both Sherry and Joe

They were 24 years old and married and Joe had somehow managed to snake his way into a job at a state facility in Connecticut called Drug Addicts Rehabilitation through Educational Community rolls off the tongue dark tech for sure. Oh, God You got to come up with the acronym first fill in the words after Sometimes it's difficult. It is. Well, I mean dare Yeah, what does it stand for drugs drugs after radical? Exceptional desert Doug drugs are really exceptional. Yeah Yeah, uh, dung after renal expulsion that you've known that firsthand medical first, but Well taken a cue from Synanon's model

DarTech adopted the model of using former addicts to counsel patients But DarTech at least had the good sense to pair those former addicts with professionals It was a real rehab program. Very much so specifically the program was headed by a psychiatrist named Dr. Donald pet will do God he worked alongside. There was a dentist named dr. William groom Don't take the kids Doesn't sound like it. No dr. Pet seemed to be on the up and up combining professional counseling techniques with the experiences of Recovering addicts it grounded the treatment in some sense of reality. You could talk to them on their level

I bet your dogs would love to go to a Dr. Pet because his name is Dr. Puff it would probably like I just love dr. Pit, but he doesn't really like to engage with strangers. No, but I do like that to pick But that doesn't mean that everyone at DarTech was credible because Joe Richie worked there yeah through staff at DarTech Joe was introduced to another unscrupulous character with some highly interesting connections His name was dr. Gerald Davidson although information on dr. Davidson is scant at best And even the most thorough researchers have had a hard time digging into his past at all I have been looking into him because that was this was the rabbit hole

I entered in because we talked about this as we were we did our production call and you know We wanted to do the story of Joe Richie and then as we went through it We're like well, but there's another the guy did the other second half of this team is dr. Gerald Davidson Gerald Davidson is the co-founder of the Alon school right no one knows anything about him. I little about him I mean this it is Almost suspicious in the level at which he is not present Anywhere on the internet and I found a bunch of Essentially like in suspicious as if the CIA did a little scrub job

Well, he had a lot of weird connections He definitely went and served on the board of the Harvard School of Medicine around the same exact time a bunch of other fucking horrible assholes did He was probably taught by BF Skinner He also had this guy named Matthew Israel who is one of the single most that we should do a whole episode on him Yeah, he's literally one of the single most evil people I have ever heard of he started a thing called the judge Rotenberg Educational Center where children are they basically electroshock children into Changing their changing them and then the it's a lot of like autistic kids and shit like that and it is brutal still I want to say it's open until they've tried to close that one four times

Um, I believe it is open. No, it's a they keep trying to close it. You keep trying to turn the lock It makes a lot of people money though. Oh, I see. So you're telling me Harvard the place financed by Jeffrey Epstein that produced Alan Foundations same years to Ted Kaczynski went for the various but whatever the tests he was taking during the MK ultra years That's the test that destroyed him that you know, that weren't necessarily related to MK ultra, but it's all that same like behavioral Type of experimentation because that's the thing is that it's not necessarily that this guy was involved in MK ultra But what we can say a lot of his buddies were well, that's the thing what I think we can say for certain It's you know what we also said in the MK ultra series They all went to the same parties like this guy is going to the same parties as the guys doing the MK ultra experiments

They're all talking about it. They're all saying what they're doing. And that's the thing is that a lot of the MK ultra guys also Didn't even know they were being funded by the CIA There was this kind of revolution of behavioral science way back in the 50s and Gerald Davidson was one of those people It would be interesting punch bowl conversation. I guess so watch the punch Because you are gonna be become a manchurian candidate in a second, but it's gonna be a failed one It's mostly gonna be getting pizza for dr. Davidson These guys he wrote all this article like one of the like little because people were looking for like anything You could hang your hat on about him and he did write like because what they say was a publisher parish

Is what they say the Harvard School of Medicine? So everyone's like well, he was with Harvard He would have published but he did publish several articles and one was basically saying and I might be getting this wrong But it does seem to basically say that a lot of when people come in with what he called quote quote functional body complaints Which we now call like something like chronic fatigue syndrome or pain and he basically said all of that is depression And that we can fix you and that you'll stop complaining about physical maladies once we fix your mental problems Let me guess how they fixed it electroshock therapy And also behavior modification so whoever this motherfucker is whoever Gerald Davidson it's because he died in 91

So we think that maybe it was like before because as we're gonna get into the end of this episode the internet's what stopped all this shit So this is important these guys that kind of slipped through the cracks But it's nice shit It's just like he is so shady and so as you go deeper into the topic You start to see more and more people being like was the law in school some form of behavioral science Experiment that we were all a part of like and the big question is is a big old fun Which we learned about the MK ultra is is that it's more questions than not you're gonna be walking through a labyrinth of mirrors for a Really long time trying to figure it out because they got rid of a lot of these records

I am sorry. It sounds like you're a man on the precipice of divorce. Well, that's I was like And I was just like, you know all that keeps me from there Just the fact that you love me and she looked at me and she did the thing She's like, I love you and I was just like just know every single time in one of these places to show me your boobies Because that'll bring me back in like just to show you to show you her boobies. I asked to see boobies That's fantastic and she obliged. That's fantastic. See, it pulls me back from the abyss. Yeah, I can tell it's definitely worth No, you just gotta get into this shit because it's just it's just wild

It's just you can't believe I if you got anything on him sides through his LP ot l the gmail.com sent him to me Please do and I think at the very least or maybe even at the very most You could possibly say that perhaps the along school even though it was founded long after Most of the MK ultra experiments were over you could possibly say that the along school was started as some sort of behavioral Modification experiment or at least a data gathering center That's deep into conspiracy theory territory, but it tracks because you we see how that's their MO. Yeah, I don't know I don't know if it's that they did it's really that deep, you know It could do something it could have been started and then it was eventually just abandoned like the CIA ban

I mean how the CIA in patrol it provably infiltrates governments and then abandons them to complete in total chaos job horribly done Let's go So let the hunt is rising and just getting to the Capitol building Well, I think I hear the helicopter. Well, you gotta go to that Pizza Hut And so of course after these things are abandoned by the CIA, you know Of course, they've left it in total state of total chaos It just keeps going keeps going keeps going and that's possibly why there's never been any real government investigation Into the along schools also because they might look back and see some government connection way back in the beginning

And then you start following the money people like the DuPonts that actually started the seed program There was a go all of this shit. I got let's let's just jump out of the hole Let's jump out of the hole. Let's get back I thought the holes were all the fucking carrots are bro. Yeah, you said about carrots and I've just covered it shit. You are You know what we're gonna do. Oh, I can't believe our friends did bury him bury So we're gonna bury it and let's just know we're on solid ground again solid ground Oh, wow for a second there. I felt like you're back. I feel like I was in a mirror. Yeah, I felt it I actually felt that for you. Yeah

From your play Now from Darteq Richie moved to a drug counseling center called survival Inc Which was a group home for opiate addicted men that doubled as a marriage counseling service for drug addicts. They're married That I mean some drug addicts are married. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it's the anytime you get one guy to throw another like You know, it's like when you go to a hotel and somebody like oh With them for 15 bucks will put water in the room. You know me like you do something like that We just add you a lad on the love. I see so marriage therapy. That's nice. Yeah It is actually a good idea, you know like have it

You know someone goes in a rehab and you bring the spouse in every once in a while just say like hey Let's work through this thing. Okay, they help to understand each other But as it would happen again and again controversy followed Joe Richie when three staff members He brought from Darteq were fired for personal drug use Also kind of talks about it is interesting because a lot of times those Addictive relationships are kind of circular, right? So because you you are both you were both addicted to the drugs And then quite a lot of times is that you find that your relationship is kind of like empty when you're both not high

Yeah, and then you like that was what brought you together and now you have to figure out can we love probably probably not Probably not they're probably saying get a divorce at that point at that point Yeah, if you need drugs to be together, then yeah, you need to get someone else who you can hang out with when you don't so over yeah You guys need your antipsychotics to be among society. I don't take antipsychotics. I'll take a psych I'll take a fucking psychotic I feel like I've taken like eight since you've been talking to me. I know I honestly I am upset by myself Okay, I don't take antipsychotics anymore. Okay. See we are above ground now guys. We are good Flowers grow. You don't even wake up socialism is not even what they call it over there Alright, it's different. That is what liberalism has used to call what we call the dictatorship prison over there

We've screwed us growing on the ground Well after those friends were fired Richie his wife and Dr. Gerald Davidson decided to open their own treatment facility which would evolve into the Alon school Since the regulations for mental health were a little too restrictive in New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts for the kind of quote-unquote Radical therapy that Joe and Dr. Davidson wanted to do they just flipped a page eight and they're like no anal Okay policy oh man well after that they decided to open their facility in Maine where none of those pesky regulations Would get in the way. Ah the freedom of skeleton land Beautiful place, but when it came to who did what it's important to remember that Dr.

Gerald Davidson was not in any way involved in the day-to-day operations at Alon Instead Davidson was more of a scooper of students who stayed in Massachusetts and used his contacts to both develop the facility from afar and Find some funnels for kids that that's called human trafficking this is a no Officer I'm not a human trafficker. I'm a As long as you get one of an ice cream scoop scoop right the size of a person and show it to a government Officer. Yeah, they let you go Yeah, he might have dipped a little bit of a toe in some form of the operations But we truly hope for all of the statements was is that he would go was never seen

It's very strange man Henchman when you want to go collect the first born of Gotham. Yes that guy right well He was the guy that made it all legit because he was the quote-unquote doctor So he made it all feel like a medical this is a whole medical process that we're doing here if we're going for Batman villains here Sure, he's the raise all ghoul He's the man pulling the strings. He's the man in the background Well, so he knew that if he could convince a bunch of high-profile Harvard connected families to send their Destructive children to his school. It would help him get other more high-profile customers as well

Mm-hmm, and it could also be that Davidson had entirely different motives for running and opening the school It could be ultra data aggregation Well, it could be it could be very quickly that he sat back and just got reports And that also allowed him to keep his distance from whatever happened there. He would always have plausible deniability I don't ever go there. I didn't know what this guy was doing So he could set Joe Ritchie on fire and walk away scot-free gotcha now first Joel Davidson Publicly had lofty goals for the Elan school and it was by no means opened or operated in secrecy after its grand opening in

1971 Davidson possibly referring to groups like Synanon. He said that therapeutic communities largely run by ex addicts They had become extremely sanctimonious Like all converted heathens become what it is you immediately you hate on the ones before you Yeah, right because you're the new kids on the block. So you're like a Synanon. There's a old guy Cool and whether the establishment so he didn't care about the technique. He was just like they're all cocky with their progress Chuck Chuck went full cult leader. Yeah, so he's just like we're not like that. He's tastefully distant Yeah, well, this is before Chuck Deedrick went full cult leader. This is he saw it. He's smelted. He was living He's the uncola. He's the uncult. Yeah, he's the uncult. Yes

Well, he derisively said that these other places they shave patients heads. Oh, they make them work diapers How who could they hang degrading signs around their neck? I only do these things are good I only do that if I ask for it Yeah, absolutely And he said or if you or if you want to get a discount at Dick's last resort Yes, and he said the Elan school they don't do this stuff. They would never do this stuff Okay, but as we know Elan school used all of those techniques and much much worse It's almost like he was telling us what they were gonna do

Now at the same time that Davidson was giving his interviews Richie was also promoting this more positive approach saying in a local news report when the school opened that Elan would be a drug Treatment center that instilled self-esteem self-reliance and a capacity to love in the individuals. They treated. It's all very synonymous It sounds good to me so far Yeah, he said they tailored the program to fit the individuals not the individual to fit the program Which was of course the exact opposite of the Elan schools philosophy again. He's saying fake things saying the right yeah sound good Well, I mean that was actually I think that was I mean I mean a little respect respect is due it's one of the geniuses of Joe Richie and

Davidson where they went full PR all the time Oh, yeah, they're the toll toll toll like they always talk to the press they never hit what they were doing They weren't all of the fucking but they're talking heads. Yeah, and all of the news coverage of it There was like the children of darkness the child's own good those all of those specials like they appeared it and like Gerald Davidson looks like a fucking Santa Claus type care. I mean as a new beard, but he's like kind friendly just been like these kids just need a loving gentle hand Well, that is an ironic way to hide if you just blanket yourself all over the place Then of course people will just kind of let you get away with certain things. It's a very bizarre human Yeah, yeah very bizarre human condition there now in the very beginning when the Elan school was supposed to be just a drug treatment center

For teens they're very well may have been some intention to do something more positive Although that possibility is very slim See when Richie and his wife Sherry open the first Elan school site at a former summer camp in Naples, Maine Oh, you love the pizza in Naples Well, it soon became clear that Richie's goal was money in the early days when Elan was struggling Richie spoke constantly to employees about how they were gonna make their first hundred thousand dollars becoming rich was an obsession Hey, come over here. Look, you see how this kid's crying. Look at that. It's five cents Wow, that's awesome. Well, this former employee said that to Richie money represented power

It does and it exuded the appearance that he was someone important who would be accepted and respected by everyone around him Which was actually much more important to Joe Richie than anything else being respected by others Yes being respected and being accepted. He wanted to be the guy like he talked We wanted to be this kind of like a go-to like people will look at him. He wanted to be president Yeah nightmare idea pretty soon though Richie and Davidson figured out that the real money was not in drug rehabilitation for everyone But in specifically the troubled teens of wealthy families and those wealthy families were soon paying $1,200 a month for treatment. Let me just see kid. All right commit commit kid I mean, obviously you're doing drugs. It's terrible. No, I don't do no truck

No, I just told my dad I didn't want him to run as a senator again because he's a Republican asshole, and I just want him to be home Something like that. That's real stupid kid Connecticut senator check your wallet. Let me open this up. All right, so this is a oh, so you got a credit card you 17 Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get you in here. Yeah, we absolutely Can we get can we get a body bag? Dang it. We'll see Davidson and Richie They had a perfect double-team grift going where Davidson the reputable psychiatrist

He would recommend the Alon school to wealthy families just a soft just suggestion. Yeah Yeah, well the opioid epidemic for your brain Yeah, toss and then Richie would make the sales pitch Offering Alon's private plane to pick up wealthy troubled teens in a method appropriate for their state Yeah, I will say this out of all the Image hits that have been taken over the past decade private planes have really gotten a hit. They really have I was growing up It's like private planes amazing and now I'm just like I don't think I want to go on that No, God knows what you're gonna have to do or see. Oh, I really feel like it's good that the TSA is there for only the fact

Yes, that I'm afraid of what happens inside of private points. Oh my god. I don't know what happens in there I know sometimes you drink champagne sometimes and then sometimes though I think that you all have to watch somebody kill a girl something like that. I mean, you know, that's why it's like What's the name of your plane? It's called the air deposition Do you like to sit for like 10 hours in New York City at like a courthouse? You're gonna be doing that. So, you know free champagne Well, in other words Alon had credentials on one end and charisma on the other and before they knew it The Alon School was making enough money where they were able to open a second facility in Waterford, Maine

However, in January of 1974 a mysterious fire Destroyed a rented facility in Sabago which earned or Sabago Sabago whichever one you want. Whatever you want to go with Yeah, that earned the Alon School a tidy sum in the form of an insurance payment There's no way this was done purposefully in any way shape or form. I'm sorry I choked on a like a full diamond just came out of the back of my mouth. No, there's no way I would ever do something like that because as everyone knows I hate being hot. Yeah, your tie is a little charred Mr. Richie Oh, I was barbecuing. Oh, you were barbecuing. Yeah, I know it's February, but I love being outside when it's bad Your hair is all singed. Yeah, that's a new type of haircut. I'm going to hell

Well, this was the turning point for Alon because Richie and Davidson could then afford to open a permanent facility in Poland spring. Is that where the water comes from? Yeah, I bet you it is. It is. Yeah, if you read the fine print It's like fresh Maine water. It ain't from fucking Poland at all. But then I heard a lot of it's just tap water put in a bottle It mostly is and I think Nestle owns it now, too. And they're gonna destroy the world. Yeah, I don't know I actually have been having this really weird tumors. I've been drinking flint one. It's good It's really cheap five cents five cents over 12 ounces. I put in my car on to say it's really been incredible It's it's so cheap. That's a joke about infrastructure. Thank you. Yeah, no problem lead pipe lead pipes That's right save the people help the people fuck Nestle. That's right. Wow. Well subsequently your own water fucking spit into somebody's mouth

Can I get through this fucking sentence? I do like his idea. Recycled water like a water. It's piss. All right Okay, subsequently Joe Richie became a millionaire now once a lawn had a permanent facility States from all over the country began referring troubled teens to the schools through Gerald Davidson's network of colleagues Because Gerald Davidson can call up people in Illinois, California, Oregon, wherever say hey, I got this thing going on Why don't you send kids here? And they would of course say yes because everyone I would imagine Everyone's getting kickbacks and all these motherfuckers are just in suits walking down the street. Everyone's like what respectable Americans pain Financial also dropped a bunch of money into the troubled teen industry I only Romney himself made a lot of money specifically off of these troubled teen industry shows

Yeah, I do like that they name themselves after a super villain. Yeah, very accurate Utah is one of the number one Place as States in America for troubled teen facilities. Yeah, it's actually number one. You know the room for activities. Yeah, it's beautiful Well while Richie was the day-to-day guy Davidson was the real brains of the operation when it came to funneling students into the system as we said Davidson had powerful contacts at both Harvard and Massachusetts General Hospital and he even had enough clout to successfully lobby congressman in Washington, DC To extend insurance coverage to facilities like a lawn This was previously not the case and this change greatly expanded the troubled teen industry

So like you couldn't get like cancer treatment But like if you're like if you're having kids in an institutional manner, you got money, buddy Yeah, yeah, if you're yeah, you can't get cancer treatment But if your son smokes a joint then yeah, they'll pay for that I think my son might be gay the other day. He said the word dude and I just don't know But when it came to who controlled the school, it was entirely Joe Richie's responsibility Which is of course the complete opposite of what the division of labor should have been Now according to former employees Joe through a steady campaign of fear and intimidation

He became a sort of cult figure to the employees and students who bought into the program according to the last stop They basically said that when he came in and felt like a celebrity was there Yeah, he'd show up in his Rolls-Royce and he's crazy He's like he'd like have his crazy suits on and shit and he would do like but he'd play it real classic Like not only was he the kindest guy you ever met at the Elan school But then he also did the general meetings harder than everybody. He was a fucking maniac. Yeah, psychological torture Yeah Well employees said that he had a way of defining things as if his definition was the only one classic cult leader stuff

And one kid even compared him to Jim Jones. He said we would have drank cyanide for this guy Wow, so the kids were into it. Well the employees the employees the kids who graduated into Employment they were the ones that were the most Behind them like they were the ones that would do fucking anything and we'll get to the reasons why here in a second Okay, well as far as how Joe kept control he had the ability to create an immediate intimacy with people It's the only person in the room trick that politicians and cult leaders use. He is I got a 10-foot dick I can make it feel intimate in a room. That's huge. I'm 12 Please leave me alone, sir

No, he uh, he had this thing where there's something about when it's kind of like an abusive dad right abusive the parent right the thing where you create an environment that's really hostile and Chaotic and scary, but then you're also the person that brings the ultimate stability as well So then not only are you the so if you pass through the gauntlet of all his love because then Joe Ritchie would get super close With you once you went through years of garbage with him and then became an employee. I mean technically it's making a marine Yes You become an employee of a lawn school right because that's what it is It's breaking a kind of like breaking a personality down

You make it so somebody like is super scared of you But they also need you because they're also the leader of the thing and you could make everything stop on a dime For that person and you can he probably flexed that times. I mean like we're gonna wait for on this that you know Yeah, I mean it sounds like he sounds like a shitty Hollywood producer. Yeah, I mean this is just 101 power tactics Yeah, I mean his employees put it. He liked being a god. That's how we thought of himself. What a shock I can't believe he liked being a god. It's a lot of responsibility It is and when Joe lost his temper he'd make life horrific for anyone who got in his way And this of course trickled down to each and every person who was forced into the along school it went from Joe to the employees

To the kids and from the kids it went to the other kids. It was just an entire it was a culture He graded a culture of fear and pain Sometimes Joe would financially assist the poorer kids, but this was of course another control method He'd make these kids into staff therapists even though they had no training Sometimes they didn't even have a high school diploma much less a college education Hey, a lot of the people I know who want to be therapists are some of the most out-of-pocket human beings I've ever met in my life. Well, we also have some friends who are great therapists But it's interesting that he didn't get them like an education. Yeah, if you want to do this

Then you have to put them through school Do these things that are the proper That would have been a good way to do it Also, what it does is brings you to the outside world of a bunch of different perspectives And then you might hear that the things that Joe Ritchie is doing at your place of work are actually really really bad And he might be wrong He wanted specifically people that were not educated because Joe Ritchie wasn't educated So he literally he's like he thought it was that it was all stupid

Think about the word critical, right? Critical thinking critical is bad bad thinking bad thinking who wants to critically think yeah critics are assholes Do you want to be an asshole? Now Ben what you're talking about is the method of sending like the youngest son and a mob family to law school Yes, you always have a lawyer boom can't wait. That's how you do it That's what I'm going to send my kid to culinary school. So I'm never fucking hungry. That's a good idea. Or you just buy a chef That's called what he did Well, the reason why Joe Ritchie gave financial assistance to these poor kids

Was because it made his lieutenants for lack of a better word easier to control because if anyone refused to ladle the electric sauce If they refused to spank a kid until they shat themselves Jesus or if they refused to lock a kid in a room wearing a straight jacket Joe would fire them and take away the fleeting financial security He'd given it. Yeah, he got shot down Yeah, because these kids would this is the first time they'd ever had any kind of financial security A lot of them the only time they'd ever have anything close to a family or a father figure and he used that Again and again, and then you're shat out on the curb without a true education and your resume I guess it's pretty slim. Yeah at one point it would lead to other work

But then eventually the Alon school would become a dark mark on a cv. Yeah, Joe is described by most everyone at Alon Is cruel power hungry and willing to do anything to get his way And if he couldn't get what he wanted by intimidation he always had a fat stack of bills he could use to buy someone off I like that way better if I was gonna have to get something. Well, yeah, that's what's fun I'll take that Well, this threat of do what I say or else was further a burden on female employees and residents the latter of whom Were completely at the mercy of Joe's whims the prettiest female residents would often be forced to babysit Joe and Sherry's kids Which Sherry didn't like because most of the girls weren't very good at it

Yeah, I there reminds me of a letter that was sent to me that talked about they were sent to a wilderness program Something attached to cdu and one of the things that they had to do or it was mandatory was that called a one-on-one session Where a counselor was attached to a student and they have to have a one-on-one session where cuddling was uh encouraged And that it was supposed to be same sexes But the guy that was in charge of their little program He would choose the girls to go cuddle with in another room and he said that it was good to do that It was important and mandatory. Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe if there were sheepdogs. Yeah, sure. Yeah, there's a lot of different rules We're just cuddling and Sherry earlier, but that's different again. Jerry likes it. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does

Well once a girl who babysat for the richies Inexplicably bullied their son Noah into pretending he was a cat Then he made the kids sit in her lap and act like a cat. Okay. Well, that's that's weird It's weird kids. It's a bad babysitter. It's a bad babysitter. It's a bad babysitter. Yeah, usually the kids like i'm a cat And then you should be like But they're like you're not so when mom and dad get home you're not a cat. You're a cat. That's really but that's how that babysitter was I feel like the babysit the babysitter kind of see it's sort of like a manic pixie dream girl type In a way, it's not that she was a bad babysitter

She was the wrong babysitter Well, she was a bad babysitter because when the kid wanted to stop being a cat she burned him with a lit cigarette I don't like that. Shouldn't do that to a cat either. You shouldn't do that at all. No But when Sherry also you shouldn't be smoking around a cat or a kid to be honest See, I mean this is back in the day kids were clearly the kids lungs were stronger earlier than yeah, you can smoke around a cat Yeah, I know Just don't teach a cat to smoke And don't fuck a cat which we've covered before we have

But when sherry richie learned about the cat's cigarette incident joe told her nothing wrong with it That's just what people do. It's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it How many times I tell somebody to be a cat? Yeah, how many times i'm out there? I honestly I wish this cat could smoke I've been trying to teach this cat to smoke making a cool cat. I've been talking to dr. Davidson He's none of his mk ultra tricks are allowing anything. You don't want to think about a cat is it can't suck, right? Yeah, I keep shoving in his mouth. He keeps coughing cat. So got lips Caps got lips cats. Do you have lips? You know what a cat calls a cat nap?

a nap It does you sure cats got lips grinding. Yes, they definitely do come to a grinding. They definitely do have lips Well The thing is about joe richie is that he was telling us why there's nothing wrong with his cat's cigarette thing Because that would stop a steady stream of young vulnerable girls from coming into his home. Okay It's like yeah, it's like if you're david spade and you let's a bunch of like random women in your house You're like, yeah, sure. Yeah, play with my enemies. I don't care You mean like you just have to kind of let them be because if you start telling them to stop playing with the emmy's

The models will stop showing up. Hmm. Very intriguing. Very bizarre non sequitur Very bizarre not to bring mr. David spade into this. Does he have any emmy's? I think so. I think he deserves some Just shoot me. Yeah That era I love that. Yes Well from reports richie singled out girls and gave them special treatment and often did coke with the very girls He was supposed to be treated. This is my they fucking this is medicinal This is just Advil's Advil. They were just hopped up on coke be like you're a cat and then they were burning that's what Now I get it

But because of all the bad weirdness and because joe spent most of his time at alon Sherry and joe were no longer living together by 1978 and sherry filed for divorce soon after But because joe is now wealthy and still a total dirt ball He decided around this time that he wanted to buy a horse track called scarborough down That is the single most divorced man thing that has ever been said outlawed besides being a hollow moon Like redditor, right? There is the the idea of going out and Buying a horse track. Yeah, it's a lot like not a horse to race on a track track It's also like so much work. It's like if you bought a slot machine just for your home

Yeah, you know what I mean? That's what you can do. You have to put your own money in it I just like pulling the lever He actually had to write a letter to all the people at the track that he wasn't going to bet on races at the track And that he wasn't going to run his own horses at the track, but of course he bet on all the Of course he did. It's his man. He ran the horses all the time. He's the most divorced man he's ever been You know the horse that's his because it's the only one with hooves The other ones are just bloody stubs I won again. This is amazing

Well, he told sherry, hey Why don't you go in on the horse track with me? Doesn't matter for divorce tonight. You're a good we're good together in business We're good. You love horses. I love gambling. I love that I can't believe this man So he runs a horse track and then he runs a home for troubled youth. Yes, that's perfect Hit tracks. Yeah, but sherry easily recognized that joe was just stalling until he had enough money to buy the race track Before she got her cut from the divorce Mar and um, yeah the same time

But so she was able to get out while the game was good But she was also a scumbag too, right? I mean she was involved in the school everything that was going on I don't know. I bet I can honestly say I have no clue. I think a lot of times we're like, oh the wife has blinders on But also like they talk They well a lot of times maybe they didn't this is again It's talking out of school But a lot of times the what does seem the wife does no bit more Have you talked to a man? But mostly you're just trying to get out

You know, I mean the best thing she could have done was get out as you saw it all the way because this was all from the book What was the biography on joe richie? Uh, we will give the source at the end of the episode got it But there is a there's a it's all in there But no one tells her story because they're all coming for joe richie got you well just because joe richie's wife said No to the racetrack that didn't stop joe. No man because he's a true murk Dr. Gerald Davidson agreed to throw in for half

Actually, you know, I much of those horses go round and round. I'm absolutely fascinating fascinating and in 1979 They bought scarborough downs This tells you how much money these guys made at a lawn school for 1.2 million dollars That is six million in today's money You're making money though. See the thing is we can take any of these horses. I see the one Yeah, he's running in a circle, but we can make him running in the trapezoid if I get some electric charges. Absolutely And by 1979 a lawn school was of course a horrific place of torture degradation and humiliation all under joe richie's insistence and guidance

But this was all kept from the public partly because troubled teen institutions were still a new thing And partly because main did fuck all on due diligence when it came to inspection Also, people were super into the idea of this because we were being fed this line of this ramp and like Rise in teenage rebellion like they do like every 10 years. It's like a new Re-up of it. It's like the kid's version of the satanic panic And as a result a newspaper article released just before joe's divorce titled meet main's most unusual millionaire He's the most unusual millionaire. I figured it'd be like a lobster guy. Yeah. Well, that would be usual for main Oh, that would be yeah, but yeah, but he's like

Your allergic to shellfish were you about to do like lobster Jim? Are you a lobster Jim? That's almost you're a you character I actually do lobster Jim. Oh, I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna try to find me a couple of lobsters I've got lobsters in my jeans. Ah, I really wish we could have you do do my gps See it's it's just a lie. It's just all elimination of all of the roads No, don't go down that road. So I'll take an exit 14 then so I should just stay home Oh, well in meet main's most unusual millionaire joe richie was painted with a very different brush Oh, yeah

Described as the embodiment of the american dream richie was portrayed as a rags to riches triumph Yeah, man, because he's got the brain. He's got the sex. He's got the dick. I guess it moves I mean, he can be both a horrible serial predator a horrible businessman and the epitome of the american dream It's almost like these things kind of married seems to be the american dream well falsely claiming that he grown up in rat infested squalor Richie claimed to have graduated from the supposedly brutal day top village with flying colors while still in his team They closed down his school because they never met such a perfect student. Yeah, why have schools when you're so smart He also claimed to have founded dartek not true And he said he took out a third mortgage on his house to start a lawn also not true

Yeah, all he did was make money right But as it went again and again No one checked up on richie's claims and a lawn naturally got even worse after richie's first wife sherry left Also a common string. Look at chuck deeterick. Look at jim jones. Really all these guys. Yeah Well, no jim jones's wife. She was there till the very end. Oh, yeah, that's right She just became a lovelace shell because he was banging all the other people and then she just kind of segued inside And then tried to have her own court and then fee bully was like no stop at the end. Yeah, he was exhausted Yeah, she's got a nice grave by the way. Good. It's really nice. Thank you for the update. Cool

Let us know the flowers like once a year. No, no, no, we went and visited on our uh, jim jones story. No, I remember Yeah, your anniversary. Yeah, go dump a little flavorate out One for jim Now reportedly joe did cocaine almost every day during the 80s busy Yeah, and he would often preside over employee parties where he openly rode the slopes with teenagers and young adults That's cool Yeah, they said that on craigslist. Yeah, who wants to go skiing? Oh, that's cocaine. Yeah, man I went over there and I had all my equipment

Lady they were all wearing swimsuits because it might think it was july so I figured they had some kind of like machine No, it turns out I just I was the table so three days later. I have two ski poles up my asshole, right? She's yada yada three days Richie was also able to upgrade a lawn in the early 80s with another alleged insurance scam Although nothing was ever proven in 1983 the Scarborough Downs clubhouse burned down. Oh, no Oh god, I simply oh god

He comes up with a night cap on like you know in like a full like ever knees are screwed It's like oh, I was simply asleep in my sleeping then and oh Your nightgown is a little bit of char. Oh, it was because I'm doing this new I saw chef's table So this is cooking over an open flame. It's the most primal way to cook You see the flames licking the food itself and in some sort of rada dance between the venue of cooking and the food itself You know, I'm saying it seems like you're around a lot of things that burned out No, I like it colds. You do like colds. Okay Well, Richie claimed that it was arson, but somebody else did the arson

Definitely. So this is interesting. So he went with a half truth. Yeah. Yeah, he went. Well, I mean, that's the thing allegedly Oh, thank you legitimate businessman How many businesses do you get to have burnt down that you own? You know what I'll say for my own coverage three just for later on I think by the second because second time That's just sad. Yeah, the second time second type of business, but you can do it. Okay So it's on so the third time you are busted. You don't get the fourth. You're done. No, no three is like you got two open Okay, yeah, yeah, and three with time to get to Mexico. Got you Well investigators couldn't connect it to Joe and he again earned a tidy sum

Truly riding high on his own bullshit. Joe Richie then decided to run for governor of Maine in 1985 What the fuck is the campaign slogan? It's just him. It literally is like me. I'm Joe Richie You got y'all. I'm not a seasoned politician. I don't know how these budgets work or how transit's supposed to be organized It's a really key issue though, but I'm I connected the local I connected the modern the working man All right, there's this whole thing was that he's like I'm a regular guy Yeah, you're an alcoholic you falling asleep with a cigarette you've burnt down at your house You know how it is. I look at me my head's too big for me to wear my shirt closed So that's why you know, I'm like you I'm just voting for him because again

I think that he is similar to me himself made millionaire. Just like I have just like a hundred dollar You know what I'm going to be Well, he said that he'd previously worked at non-union shops and he'd organized places like arnold bakery. You've seen that bread Oh, yeah, thank god. They thank god. They finally unionized at arnold. No, they organized in the 1920s Well, he wasn't alive. It was a long time ago 25 years before richie was born Oh, the birth of the birth of unions is when they began cracking down. That's when capitalism actually began This is the meta cheese dog fucking 1400s dog. What the fuck are you talking about? Are you talking about? I learned things. I think you need to like every

Man, it's weird how you get smarter and dumber. It's just weird. I know it's this guy I medicated. What is meta cheese the meta cheese were the guys that uh, italian first of all the original mob Powerful themselves the meta cheese the midi cheese the midi. Well, oh my god Yes, the midi cheese because I thought you said like meta cheese. Yeah, that's what I was thinking like a c-h-e-e-s-u Like a cheese. That's because I thought you'd picked up some more like stupid slang No, I heard some new slang. You know, it's a good one He's he's got riz Okay, you got the riz

We're gonna move on he got the riz that means I think that's an asian version of wizard with us Fantastic. He's got the riz. No, it means flirty Great. Well again, we'll move on. Yeah Well, really it seemed like richie only ran for governor as a sort of like internal ego trip Isn't that why everybody runs for governor? Some people want to save the world like jesse ventura who finally got the train to run in In minneapolis. That's one train and it's run by steam That's not a steam train. You know, there are some good-hearted people in politics But unfortunately pieces of shit like this muddy all the waters. Well, I when I say like internal ego trip

I mean like within his own organization So like he got bored with the alon school game and he wanted another way to manipulate the people around So he's the head of an alon school. He's got a racetrack and now he wants to be governor. Oh, yeah Yeah, okay. Well a woman who worked for the campaign said that richie was constantly manipulating everyone Giving them jobs to do but distracting them with constant phone calls or meetings So the jobs would never get done and when those jobs didn't get done Richie would get angry and ostracize whoever displeased him and additionally joe would also distract everyone with drugs and alcohol Partying at all hours of the night than expecting everyone to show up fresh-faced and ready to go the next day at 9 a.m

My question is was he fresh-faced at 9 a.m. Well, he was alert. He was there at 9 a.m. But he was awake That's what jordan belford used to say if you want to go out with the boys got to wake up with the men I don't care what jordan belford used to say because I think he pulls a castanza and sleeps under his desk all day Yeah, he just you just you see that's the thing is if you just get fucked up at work Yeah, you just wake up on time. Yeah, that's the thing is that I mean on a surface level like yeah Joe richie's there, you know, if you're especially if you're doing cocaine for a decade straight you get a rhythm going on That's the thing you build a tolerance in a way that makes you almost a better person

Okay, but you're not going to do a good job And no one's going to do a good job No, and when anyone fucked up in richie's campaign save for joe himself. They'd be fired immediately Yeah, because no one fired joe. Yeah, they're looking to fire joe as god Bullet to the center of his brain I think the only job that you could possibly do a better job while you're on cocaine ship captain I don't know why It's a lot of bumps a lot of road. You're alone. No, you're in the middle of the ocean

I don't even think you sell cocaine better when you're using cocaine. You know what I mean? I don't think you sell it better But I think if you're a ship captain you look at the whales No, the only thing that cocaine is really good for is playing a keyboard or a keytar a lot of times In a some form of kraut rock style band That is the sound of cocaine Yeah, actually one night. I did do cocaine and played some drums like I jammed with a couple of guys I played a kraut rock beat for 45 minutes straight

Do you actually think it was good or do you think you were just so fucked? You thought you thought it was great I mean, we weren't fucking playing farm aid. Like we're just Pinnacle We're three guys in a fucking windowless room in green point in 2012. No one cared what we were doing All the matter was the fucking vibe, dude. Yeah, you didn't know if the fucking the hives were outside listening The hives They're a very popular band. I know the how the hives are if they're not there. Yeah, you probably don't know the hives are I know I get hives. Yes. Well, all this was not a winning strategy for a gubernatorial race

What and Joe predictably lost his bid for governor But Joe didn't take responsibility for his horrendously run campaign Instead, Joe blamed it on being an Italian in Maine Tell me about it. That's what happened to Andrew Cuomo as well He was too Italian to follow the law. There was a mayoral race out here There was this fella Caruso this billionaire guy and the chick doing one of the debates She was like, so what do you think as a white man? It's it's a big diversity. He said, I'm not white. I'm a tan Yeah, dude, that's what I say. I do love that. I'm not white. I'm Polish

Hmm Brave So all of you are just trying to distance yourself from the English and the irish, aren't you? Hmm. I can't I'm not white. I'm German That doesn't really work. Well, well after joseph like hey, I'm getting all this discrimination. I'm Italian. What's the problem? 60 minutes actually gave him a platform to complain. No, no, no, no Everybody says oh just because you wear a tracksuit every day even caught Oh, just because I pay people in fucking spaghettio. That's race

That's fucking racist. It is a little bit racist. There was somebody talking about how Italians are like We're not all mobsters and if you walk into like one of their rooms, it's just covered in good fellas It's like what make you have to make a choice See since Joe had a lot of money and since he was Italian It was assumed by the community in Maine that he was connected to the mob. Oh, wow, which actually wasn't true That's the crazy thing. That's the only thing he should have been doing That's he he is of he of all of the people who are not Not attached to the mob. He has all of the characteristics of a man who would be

There is a reason why we have subconsciously been using mob terms and mob comparisons this entire episode Henry's been doing it very consciously But he is also I do think he might have had a touch of a connection to the mob But we don't know again if you own a horse track Yeah, there is no way if you're the only Italian man that runs a haunted horse track just outside of Stephen King's home You might just be a mafioso. There you go. Good. Jeff Fox were the also. He's surrounded by shellfish I feel like this is mob all over the place. Yep, because the one thing that took down the mob even more so than the fbi the gout the gout

Yes, indeed. Well, I mean his money yet was from torturing defenseless teenagers, but it wasn't from the mob Not from the mob. That's not from the mob. Okay. Amazingly the 60-minute segment only mentions a lawn school in passing And folks says mostly on Joe whining about how everyone in Maine assumes he's mafia Just because he's Italian and wealthy and that's why he can't get alone Like I've said I've said a lot of times I'm too Polish to get alone And it's just because I can't figure out the application. Absolutely. So he's got too burnt down building This attached to his name runs a really corrupt school a a horse track. Yeah, I wonder if it is because he's Italian I think it's because he's Italian. There's even a small section. This is how far they crawl up his asshole

There's a small section in the segment. I can't play it. It doesn't read in audio It's just Joe Ritchie looking out of a window wistfully while he listens to a sad song I don't know what the sad song is. It's unidentifiable Oh I don't know why they think I'm Italian Just because I danced to that in my wedding Let's play the only mention of a lawn school in this entire segment And this speaks of the school in only the most glowing terms. This tells you what people this is like 1987

Where wasn't this after like Geraldo bro, or was this around that? Oh, no, no, this is before dude. This was even before Geraldo because that was the only great piece of journalism he ever did but it was actually very important But no, that was but that was a mental institution in Staten Island. Yes. This is the travel the Cropsey school Right. Yeah, the Cropsey school. Yeah, the teenager like the troubled teen schools. Geraldo loved him Donny and Sally Jesse Raphael all of them half of that like the teens go to boot camp They came from them. Yeah, it came from they want they are telling their parents to fucking send their kids These things I forgot Geraldo had a show like that. Oh, yeah I think Joe Ritchie was actually on an episode of Donahue, you know like that these guys at like they

Well, we're not going to be smirks the great name of Donahue and it's just so difficult Donahue When you're just and we're that Italian They have to put all these paper towels so you can even sit on the fucking furniture because olive oil is just shooting Now you're really good. It's really difficult to be Italian. This is gonna get us cancelled somehow I don't know why I'm just you're half Italian though. Yes. Yeah, I can say it. Yeah, you're half Italian You're my mother. My mother's Italian. Okay. That's perfect. It's like Judaism. You're fully Italian. I guess Well, the only thing that it mentions in regards to controversy when it comes to a lawn school Is how people said back then it's funded by a mob. It's a laundering cooperation for the mob

Yeah, it's called a fund by a little mob called the central intelligence agency. Oh, yeah, bro Yeah, I'm getting a little too real to be understood. Wow Let's play that clip the Joe Ritchie story wasn't always this bleak Joe Ritchie is a former dope addict who succeeded in founding one of the most prestigious schools for troubled teenagers in the country It's called the lawn treatment center that over the years Has used some controversial therapies to bring otherwise confused kids out of their shelves Parents spend $25,000 a year to send problem teenagers to the school That's what made Joe Ritchie a millionaire while barely into his 30s

But Ilan has also come under scrutiny Among the allegations the bank says it heard was that Ilan was under investigation for being a front For the laundering of organized crime drug money That's the reason why and that's it like that's the that's the only thing that they mentioned Doesn't it sound like they were really listening to the audio because it seems like that child was screaming in immense amounts of Pays they did something that really yeah, there was a general meeting and they do a thing where they are It's it is kind of magical in its own way where you lead with your maybe it's how they maybe that's propaganda Maybe that's a term for you where you lead with your worst aspect

He was proud and wanted people to see the clips of the general meeting They wanted to see that because then they'd always flip it. We're like that may sound harsh But it's something that these troubled teens need like they would do this thing where they would they would live out loud They would show all of the fucked up shit out loud They talked about the ring fucked up shit not the most not the ones that have a kids dying and all that kind of shit But they they wanted you to like that's how they could actually hide by hiding them plain sight Really well by just letting it all those kind of secrets out a little bit I mean like these those are way we this way we do it

They do the big stuff like the ring and the general meetings like they'll they'll say that like yeah We do that but then they also give like caveats that they don't actually follow like so like yeah It we use the ring, but it's only evenly matched students and it's only people who have been extremely violent violent People are like oh, yeah, that makes sense, but they don't mention electric sauce They don't mention straight jackets for weeks on end. They don't mention the spankings You know like and so people just kind of let it go because they think oh it can't possibly get worse than that screaming Yeah, yeah, screw the screaming honestly. There's something about just the audio of it. They're like, well, that's terrible But then you just then you kind of block everything else out the only good

The only good thing 60 minutes every day was Andy Rooney. Yeah, that's it And technically he was just a very mean man. Give me a runeism Well, you know my favorite license plates now Why does every state have to put their name on a license plate? Why do I care where you're from? It's the best one that he's ever done. It's a good bottled water. You know whole thing about bottled water He's like people I walk by in the desks and all these people have bottled water. How much do you think this costs? This is a dollar 50. I go I go to the Bobbler. I go to the water fountain. My water. It's free

Like he's just so on point and technically he was right about bottled water. He was yeah Well, actually Intel all the lead in the water and now we have to drink it That was not Andy's fault institutionalized bad problems Then the main thrust of the 60 minutes segment is really the fact that Joe Ritchie couldn't get a 125,000 dollar loan Because it was believed by both the bank and the government that he was in the mob and because he was suspected in the death Of a mobster named like little Tony or something. It was a dumb name because it was kind of fat, right? They always are isn't there just five more people?

Into one of his uh, leon schools. Oh, yeah. Yeah, what's 125,000 dollars? Isn't even that much if you're getting 25 a year a pop. He didn't want to spend his own money That however was only a part of why he was denied and the other part having to do with a lawn was not mentioned in the 60 Minutes segment. See enrollment at a lawn was steadily declining and a lawn was provably poorly managed Even though Ritchie and his lawyers maintain that a lawn had a 90 success rate. That's actually not even that good 90 that's just the reverse of cigarettes That is not a 90 per I need a 99.5 percent I mean that's 10 out of every 100 people come back totally fucked up

A carnival ride would have to be shut down. Well to them it's it doesn't work and again They're also they're upfront with this concept of it's for really for kids That are really fucked and have nowhere else to go and they don't say like no It's for anybody you can pay for a child to be here, right? But after Ritchie filed a battery of lawsuits against the bank claiming defamation breach of contract inflicting emotional distress And discrimination under the Equal Opportunity Act. He was infuriatingly awarded a settlement of 15 Million dollars. What he got 15 million dollars for being Italian. That's the American dream

That's the American dream is taking the bank to a court and getting more money than you want it from alone From the court. This was an era and I did get nuts. I love the Italians, but this is an era where we trusted them What is happening? Well after becoming Incredibly rich Ritchie's actions and behavior took a further downward spiral and his drug use greatly increased along with his aberrant behavior Weird more money more drugs interesting interesting And this finally caught the attention of the alon schools co-founder

Gerald Davidson now he can deal with a lot of fucked up shit, right? He can deal with like you Helping him break down the minds of all of these physically abused children Sure, I mean I'm gonna cross the board and taking over and then maybe using some mk ultra tactics and maybe taking some money From from various weird scheduling. He can deal with a lot, but there's one thing he won't deal with star richie Taking his money. Yeah Joe richie was funneling funds from the alon school to the horse track Whoa

The horse track was losing money. Whoa, what? Yeah, I know. Are you kidding me? Yeah, horse track wasn't doing well. And so Gerald Davidson followed a lawsuit against Joe richie But it's weird because Gerald Davidson also owned half the horse track. It just sounds like third lunatics I think Dr. Gerald Davidson viewed Joe richie as a massive liability and decided that he wanted to figure out a way to cut him Loose as well or at least to cut himself loose. Yes But lest you think that Davidson never had any idea what was going on at alon It was alleged that he sent a relative of his to this hellhole and this relative by accounts got worse treatment than most Her name was Jennifer and according to one message board that you know, I got this from a message board

So take it with a grain of salt Jennifer apparently went through a particularly brutal general meeting with a friend of hers named Mary. Oh In front of the whole school Jennifer and Mary were allegedly Sauced which was a lawn slang for having a ladle of feces and garbage slurry poured over your head That'll teach you to what not to be to have a have a big old head covered in shit Not even close to being over they were then allegedly handcuffed Wrapped in sheets like mummies without being cleaned off at all still covered in shit and garbage And they were made to lay on the dining room floor for hours

encased In electric sauce. Okay. Yeah was and this was the this is a relative if this is true of dr. Gerald Davidson And I don't believe that he didn't know enough To know to not send their kids to the thing. I think that he knew exactly what was going on. Yeah, must be a strange family reunion It's just I get just more just the children don't have autonomous minds Yeah When that didn't have much of an effect on Jennifer's behavior, she was drugged into submission for weeks on end She was so sedated that her mouth hung open long enough to severely chap her lips

The only lubrication being a steady stream of drool that dripped out And yet Gerald Davidson kept sending kids there at least until he was forced out following the racetrack lawsuit He forced himself out. Okay Now after Gerald left Alon continued operating well into the 90s And Joe Ritchie made another unsuccessful run at the governor's office in 1998 1998 Still going 1998 still going strong But right around the time that Joe decided to run for governor A murder trial involving Alon school began

Concerning a killing that had taken place over 20 years earlier That was the murder of Martha Moxley and the man on trial for that murder was a former Alon school student Named Michael Skakel. This would be the beginning of the end for the Alon school Now Skakel wasn't the only Alon student in its history to be attached to a murder But his case got worldwide attention because he was the nephew of Ethel Skakel Kennedy Aka the widow of good ol rfk himself Bobby Kennedy. Yeah, dog. This guy was Bobby Kennedy's nephew I still like to imagine that Bobby Kennedy was one of the good Kennedys. I don't know if it's true I'm just gonna hold on to that mythos. Hold on to it. Hold on to it. I think that he's fine right now

This is because again, this is he's way that he's way You've got to be better than that one that did the rebuttal to the Debate and did it with he had those really wet lips and his lips are so wet that all Yeah, I talked about was his wet lips and then he just disappeared from the public eye completely Multiplicity is a real thing and you just get dumber and dumber with every generation. Don't you? Oh, yes, how many dead people have to be connected to the Kennedys? Well, they have they have check becuic check and check a quibbock check Yeah, it's like

JFK probably killed Marilyn have what do you mean have to be connected? That's what I'm saying I think it's like before us all to be like I don't know if it's a kennedy thing. I think it might just be a filthy rich thing No, the feeling is like the filthy rich have a lot of bodies just pile a lot of dead bodies pile up around filthy rich families Even the kennedy I do think they have more like Paris Hilton's not killing anyone. No, no, no, but it's like, you know, you got I mean, obviously the ones that got murdered But you got all the other ones that like are like next to ones. You got, you know, you have Teddy and you get She's a lot. Yeah, the Kennedys are up there. Yeah, maybe they wrote the the Rockefellers. They've killed right?

Well, they've just well, they've led to the Those guys have led to opportunities where they've like worked probably thousands of people to death. You know what I mean? That's different though. That's that's statistics. The Rockefellers work at the mob and have a couple of hits Uh, I mean the rock part of the Bilderberg group, right? Oh, we're going to do that's how you know last podcast is ending Yeah, that's how we will begin our 20 episode series on the Illuminati You're gonna be able to listen to that exclusively on info wars.com It's gonna be great. We're gonna save the whole network So concerning this murder on october 30th 1975

Martha Moxley aged 15 was bludgeoned to death with a golf club in the wealthiest part of Greenwich, Connecticut So on brand. Yeah The attack was so vicious that the golf club broke into pieces. One of those pieces was used to stab Martha Moxley in the neck Jesus the grip which would have had the fingerprints was of course never found But the golf club came from a set belonging to an extraordinarily wealthy neighbor named Rushton's Skakel. What a fucking it was Someone took my monogrammed golf cup and well my monogrammed golf cup Oh, I cannot perform. What's something that doesn't have my initials on it. Yeah

Rushton's Skakel was Ethel's Skakel's brother and the Skakels were richer than the Kennedys by far What what business were the Skakels? It was something like I don't know like industrial Well, you'll lose some ship in and and and It's that type of thing where this is like they run the boxes that go on their ships, you know Like that style of like they make billions of dollars, but and you don't know what they do. Yeah Yeah, well Rushton's Skakel He was the father of five brothers who were known far and wide to be a pack of demons let loose on earth This was an entire there could have been a family annihilator that could have stepped in

That could have saved a lot of problems. It could have been Rushton's Skakel. It's never the bad families It's always someone killing good families. Yeah Now the murder went unsolved at the time go figure concerning the pic considering the people involved No, it is it's completely solved, but we're gonna say it's not solved Let's just we know who did it, but come on guys. We need a bigger rug and a bigger broom Can't take down Rushton Well, the main suspect was one of the Skakel brothers But not Michael Skakel instead the main suspect at the time in 1975 was his older brother Tommy

So in 1991 to finally put the matter to rest the father Rushton Skakel hired a private investigator to solve the murder See, that's how you always make sure you get something handled. You do an internal investigation Is then you handle the investigation and it's just you investigating yourself this one OJ Simpson It's worked great for him. Oh, yeah, this one backfired Oh, this investigate this investigator was given full access to the Skakel brothers like a movie It's like a Joaquin Phoenix movie. Yeah, by the way the Greenwich police Never were able to talk to the Skakel brothers the lawyers kept them far away Even though the murder weapon provably came from the Skakel home right upon investigation

It was discovered that Michael Skakel the future a law school student He used to sit outside of Martha Moxley's window and masturbate in a tree like it was a not Acceptable any more 80s movies. You should never done it though. I feel like it was never good. Yeah No, it's not even and that's not even what the no it was it was you hold a boombox You play your songs I mean even in animal house, you didn't jerk off. He was on a ladder I guess you only know you never you never got the joke Did that he got a boner? Yeah, that's why you felt

He's pollution I also find it like if you masturbate in a tree at least a good way to get rid of is that you could just give it to one of little baby birds You are disgusting Absolutely Take all of it But also that wouldn't even hold true to that because his hands were first of all They were placed on top of the letter pollution that isn't animals and so he got hard

But he never actually went down and did the deed Yeah, he didn't masturbate openly on that. I mean there were some issues in the film Yeah, but you know it's still it's a classic Now michaels alibi for the murder was that he was at his cousin's place watching a minie python movie Yeah, don't bring money python into this But once the investigation was complete it was concluded much to russian skakel chagrin That michael skakel had murdered martha moxley and tommy skakel helped him move the body That's got to be a rough family meeting sitting there with the two private investigators and they're like your son's a murderer and they're both like

And he's like what's to me long without margots, huh? We'll put him in the soccer Oh, no, it's a fake worse than prison. This was surmised in 1991 This was like almost 20 years after the murder actually happened. Listen, mr. Private investigator We did not hurt you to solve this crime. Didn't you understand the point of view? Believe me. I tried to not solve this crime Way back in the mid 70s the skakel suffered no consequences But soon after the murder michael skakel was sent to the alon school because he not surprisingly had a pretty intense problem with Drugs and alcohol and masturbating of people's windows and murder that was also a problem

It was an issue it seems like the bigger problem The skakel didn't take to alon and after attempting an escape He was punished by being made to alternate between sitting and standing for an hour at a time each set for an hour stand for an hour Made to do that for three days straight without sleep I kind of like this though. I mean for him. Sure. Yeah, it's like the one guy that I wanted to have it happen to But that's a typical alon school punishment. A lot of kids had to do that Yeah, then somehow joe richie found out about the martha moxley murder So in a general meeting joe told everyone that skakel had killed a girl in greenwich

I someone must have told him somebody must have said somebody just they must have sent it as a part of his bio When he when they dropped him off in my did they do something like that like what Scientology does do they do a Yeah, it starts with this induction meeting you go They tell you kind of like basically you show up you get screamed at then you go to this like first meeting where they Kind of explains you halfway the rules about how you need to do all the shit We're gonna punish you but then they the what happens is that you get attached that big brother, right? You have that person that's walking through the program and they're pumping you act on like they're like commiserating with you And getting to know you yeah, and then that's they get all the compromise. Gotcha

Well, richie had a file folder an inch thick that was supposedly full of evidence. He's waving around here's the proof I need to start doing that in the office more. Yeah, well, we just open it up. It's just a bunch of menus Yeah, we know Another students were told to break skakel down until he copped to the murder And after the screaming and slamming and spitting that always happened during general meetings didn't do the trick Skakel was forced into the aforementioned ring after eight rounds of never-ending boxing opponents Skakel kind of admitted to the murder by saying I don't know when asked if he killed Martha moxley According to my little police interrogation videos. That's how you know you got him

Why don't you start moving the needle? All you got to do is add a two-letter word if all you have to do is talk to a man in an enclosed room for 12 hours And then eventually they will just fold that seems to be mostly unless they're a true psychopath Just don't do it or just call a lawyer call a fucking lawyer say nothing, especially if you're innocent After that Joe richie institution. No, it's I I mean if you're guilty you could also just admit just call or guilty you could save me the tax dollars That would be that yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah, I don't have to pay for the public the private Um, it'll be easier to get less time. Yeah, you're not guilty

I should be allowed to visit one prison cell a day and ask them to sing me a song Oh, right for the tax money Get that Actually might help. It might I would love to see who would be singing after an hour of you in a jail cell Me just Can rail yeah well after the half confession Joe richie instituted long-term punishment Skakel was quote shot down meaning he was stripped of all privileges He had his shoes taken away and he was forced to scrub floors and trash bins day and night

I will say this mr. Parks. It does remind me of a punishment that you have given before Well, okay, so butterball was a bong and I know we took the man's shoes. He took the man's shoes and made him walk home barefoot at night Very interesting indeed. I regret taking the man's shoes. I was actually thinking about this a couple of days ago I've been reflecting lately, you know, I turned I turned 40. So, you know, you want to reflect upon your life a little I don't want to I'm not looking back. I thought it was one of those things like I shouldn't have taken that guy's shoes You did like butterball the bong I did it was I mean it was the best bong that ever existed in the history of man Did he ever fucking break another bong? I don't know. We never he didn't return for his shoes

No, he never came back. I told him I told him he could come back tomorrow. Yeah, I told him you could come back tomorrow You gave him the opportunity. Maybe he stepped on a needle and got hepatitis and died. We just don't know He might have that's what I feel bad about. He had to take the train home with no shoes That's kind of on him. He might still be homeless That was just the first little the first chunk, but I yeah, I feel bad about taking that guy's shoes If you're wearing a million dollar suit, but you have no shoes people like poor guy Or sometimes you're a super holistic fucking billionaire Could be well for weeks Michael Skakel was also forced to wear a sign that said confront me on why I killed Martha Moxley

That's a great can someone make that t-shirt Oh god and in a long school tradition. He was forced to read the sign aloud before every meal Let everyone who wore a sign like the the person who had like I am in a help I'm an emotional and unstable monster They'd have to stand up and say that before every single meal and they'd all go around and read their signs and then everyone could eat Okay, and additionally students were encouraged to constantly confront students like Michael who wore signs and one student allegedly asked Skakel, how does it feel to beat a girl to death with a golf club? Hyper specific. Oh, yeah. No, they got a lot of information. It seems uh, someone I feel like somebody in the family told what was going on

Yeah, and what did he say? Yeah, he just went But Skakel was eventually released from the Alon school and was returned to the world of the wealthy I'm sure he's totally well adjusted now. He spent decades free and tell several investigations Including one conducted by Mark Furman. Oh, yeah, that guy. He's an actor I See he doesn't have a thing because it's the guy that it was the O.J. Simpsons Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. He's an actor now. No, that's what he said regarding the testimony when he was

Acting like an LAPD officer. That's well. It's just a character. I play acting Well, they gathered enough evidence for an arrest and a trial like he actually went on for the year 2001 Wow Yeah, the story of what most likely happened to Martha moxley was finally revealed On the night of the murder the skakels had a new 23 year old tutor named kin littleton It was his first night But instead of tooting he got blackout drunk with the skakel brothers tooting is the verb form of tutors Yes, no, I do know that but maybe he was tootin some some cocaine now. Maybe probably yeah

Now kin was absolutely a suspect and he was interrogated again and again But he was never arrested or charged even though according to the skakel family kin littleton is the real killer Okay, so that's that's kind of how they did it, right? It's how they a kind of Rationalized it amongst themselves. It seems like a perfect scapegoat. Well, they had a private investigator that says Your son killed it and they'd be like one of it was a guy standing next to myself. Yeah Now michael's skakel was sent to the alon school after the murder because of his drinking and drug use as we said Actually, it's about two years after the murder that he gets but according to various students who testified at the trial michael didn't mind talking about the murder both michael skakel and a fellow student named john higgins

They were night owls night owls. That's a long school Slaying for guards that kept watch over other students at night to keep them from running away But when they would flash a light on them every hour to make sure that they were in bed in a slate Got you. Yeah, that's not gonna wake them up or anything That's the whole point was to like do that and then you'd wake up and then you break the rules and you got general meaning right Well on night owl duty higgins said that skakel admitted to the murder of martha moxley in a roundabout sort of way Specifically skakel said that he remembered getting drunk and remembered taking the golf club with him to run in the woods Which is weird. Yeah, of course every one. Everyone does that. That's what I know

Everyone does it but skakel said that he blacked out soon after entering the woods And therefore had no memory of the murder itself technically this sounds very similar to what tiger wood said To absolve himself of his many affairs Leave tiger alone Another alon student named gregory colman who is an inmate at a prison in rochester new york at the time of the trial Lawn school didn't really work for him He also has or maybe it institutionalized him and he's like this is actually a step up. It's great. It might I he also had some things to say about skakel

colman claimed that skakel openly said that he got away with murder because he was a Kennedy or close enough where it didn't make a difference. He was right hate these assholes so much Furthermore colman also said that skakel bragged about using a golf pun. He said he drove her skull You get it driver drive the skull. I got it. Yeah, did he put putter nose? Yeah, what a putz Wow, he said because martha refused his advances and when her body was found her pants were pulled down But there was no evidence of rape But skakel also Allegedly said that he masturbated on moxley's corpse. That's not a brag

But that's the thing is that this is why I don't really believe gregory colman because you know, he said it happened in a blackout I don't think a teenager in a full blackout is going to masturbate on the corpse and then clean up the corpse where there's Absolutely no evidence of any sort of semen or anything like that unless he wasn't blacked out. Yeah I think that he wasn't blacked out and he did it all on purpose. Yeah. Yeah But even joe richie ended up testifying as far as skakel's confessions went But on the other side of a lawn testimonies students testified that the atmosphere at a lawn was so horrific The kids could be coerced into saying anything absolutely true. That's completely true. Absolutely. And then there's also a little bit of a nihilistic edge I believe that he did confess truly, but there's also a little bit of being like yeah

I fucking killed her like because people have told you and you've been around this dead girl in your Kennedy So you think that you're above everything as it is and so in a weird converse way you you then adopt it to be like more like I don't know like it's why people do false confessions in prison all the time And so you if you're already there if you're already fucked up You're in this scenario. It makes you appear to be more of a badass. Yeah, quote-unquote to these people It's very bizarre, but I that's the thing otherwise. I think it's fully premeditated. Yeah Yeah, it's like that most recent story of that chick who wanted to get some club He'd be like mom was a serial killer with my dad and there's like no you weren't why the hell would you lie about that?

Because they just it's weird. We're gonna do a whole series on false confession. It's very bizarre Do you think this murder was premeditated? I think that uh, it He had a golf club with him in the woods. Yeah, and so I think that there was a coercion With this girl and he brought her out there. Maybe god knows like how the how it led to blah blah blah But then I think that he just straight up. She said no when he beat her to death with the golf club Yeah, he uh, what is that movie not the strangers because he brought the golf club from home the body like that's the thing That's the difference. It'd be different if there was like a Uh, you know, this is behind this house. No, no, well, they were close. They were like a next door neighbors

They were like woods in between, but still you don't bring the there's no reason to bring the golf club If you're going to beat a squirrel to death, if it was a crime But I this is like gross, but if it was a crime of passion, he would use something that was around him in his environment Yeah, he would use a stomp or like a rock or something because he brought something that to me makes it pretty much Yeah, it's funny games, right? That's the rich kids who break into that house. Yeah, they play the games. Yeah, yeah, scary Now in the end Skakel was found guilty. He thought was found guilty of murdering Martha moxley 27 years after the murder He spent 11 years in prison, but he eventually won an appeal in 2013 Do in part to the efforts of his cousin famed anti-vaxxer and all-around disappointment

RFK jr. I go now what you're talking about. He's just my voice. My love. My amstrong DNA That dude is a fucking piece of shit. He still thinks your hands your hands innocent He's fighting for his release Whatever whatever guy such a disappointment. What created those broken. They're all weak I would imagine the I would imagine the explosion of um, the john f. Kennedy's head Uh, and even jfk was weak his body. Well, he got hurt He was a weak he was a veteran he was a veteran of war he got hurt in a war Please

He was a wounded warrior Ben. He was I died. He was a hero What do you got against kennedy? Yeah, john f kennedy was the one like We did our entire bit at the nashville show about the president's there's only been four presidents assassinated and that's too bad Yeah, yeah, he was I said I like my president with brains in their head. No, I think it's very good. He was he was very bad Marilyn there. He used to taunt me and run around like a bad person. Yeah, he was president That's what I have against him. What do you mean? What do I have against that pro kennedy? But I'm saying that yes, I think that there was this was an issue His head just exploding randomly the way that it did because we know for a fact nobody shot kennedy

Yeah, you know, I did that. Yeah, it was suicide. I say that also they tried to put the top up But it kept honey in the back That's why they had to put the top down. Anyway, these jokes are great 1963 1964 Whatever 63, but you know, it was the end of 63. So they would have continued he would take into january michael Oh, that's some awesome material on jfk in 64 Well, michael skechle was released and as of october 2020 no plans to retry him. He's out. He's done. It's over Yeah, I wonder it was very bizarre that jack wonder who his booker is. Yeah, well, we'll get him

He ain't hinkley. You're gonna start performing together. Uh the jackie. Yo's first words after jfk got shot were soups on That's good bridge too far my friend. No, that's not bridge too far. How is it a bridge too far? I just you know, it was 90 years ago. It was alone. I'm not saying a bridge too far isn't like it's offensive I said bridge too far is just like it's just not a fantastic. It's not good. No, I know it's not Uneaten carrots. Yes. Go back. That was the beginning of this whole thing where we were all in the same page God the skechle's trial brought quite a bit of negative attention to the alon school Especially after witness greg re colman admitted that he once spanked a girl so much that she urinated and defecated all over herself Jesus christ

But what put the final nail on the coffin for the alon school? The internet yeah as more people got access to message boards and the like stories from alon school survivors began to Circulate and get attention and enrollment dropped further in fact one of the earliest subreddits back in 2005 when reddit was founded It was dedicated to alon school survivors because they were being told for years that they were nuts And that everything happened to them didn't happen to them and they were a part of some great thing And they like it took a generation of people to kind of wake up and understand like oh, we were We were abused by an entire industry. Yeah, that was behind it. Yeah reddit did good work here Yeah, and by 2010 dozens of forums were run by those same people

They organized petitions and they had people call representatives demanding that a lawn be shut down But of course it wasn't the government that shut down the school rather the alon school shut its doors itself in 2011 yeah, bro. Wow despite the fact that main had renewed alon's accreditation Until 2014 so you're telling me alon schools shut down three years after we ended racism with the election of barack obama Wow That is that is honestly that's disheartening in some ways. Yes. Oh, 2011 2011 good god, but joe richie wasn't around to see the end of his beloved hell hole

He'd already died of lung cancer 10 years earlier in 2001 as a multimillionaire a self-made martyr Who never faced a single meaningful consequence for his actions or for his part in helping to create the troubled teen industry And would you fucking believe I get up to heaven say peter's like just to fucking italian to be saved I was like what is even our baric clouds mostly nookie They are yeah, you can just see him being sad. He missed 9 11 I wanted to beat it one day. That was the one day. I wanted to be alive See alon technically never violated any laws because he was all legal It's almost like laws don't mean morality. There's difference between legal and right

Yeah, and they never ran afoul of investigators in Maine Even the other states did stop sending their schools in after their own investigations. It was either indian or illinois probably illinois Let's be fair here. It was probably them saving their own s. Yeah, well, they just saw that it was horrific Yeah, like you can't send kids there the only reasons why alon shut down was because of public pressure and because it wasn't making good money anymore And these places still exist all over the country In fact the agape school that we mentioned in the first episode when talking about teen escort companies It is officially and voluntarily closing its doors tomorrow

January 20th 2023 and isn't that a nice birthday gift to you see? I did it for you. Wow He could have used the gift or some money. Yes. So far marcus's gifts have been david crowds Was very sad and this school's closing time. Yeah, that's one for the other and then um, there's a bunch more There's tobin world which was investigated and it was condemned by the united nations for torture of its students That was closed. That was in glendale here in california. That was in 2019 when that was closed It was condemned by the united nations said that it was a center of torture for children They kept it open because it was a private venture and all you have to do is sign a waiver and let the kids go It was judge rotenberg educational center, which I brought up which is still fucking open. It is to this day

It was change so it used to be called the bri the behavior research institute of california It was made and again. This was used to Specifically break down the child machine to be something else and they would do they would take away your food They would zap you they would yeah, um beat you They were and then the restraints which we're also going to find is a big thing that's still open And they changed the name judge rotenberg They changed it because judge rotenberg was the guy that went to bat for them to keep them open Because basically he had kids in the program a lot of pieces. So he was sending kids to the program as a kickback program

Oh, no, the kickback this entire industry is right. It's all it's all kickbacks. Yeah, kickbacks and campaign contributions That's the whole fucking thing and in fact that them changing the name. That was a very it still is a very common tactic Amongst the trouble teen industry. They get into trouble. They just change the name They don't even have to move they just change the name and it's like fucking synthetic marijuana You change one fucking ingredient and spice is suddenly legal again. Now. It's just back to it There's the senate core foundation another group that as I believe was closed in Was this 2000 2010s? Uh, nope still open the senate core same thing. So the same shit. It is a

Rehabilitation program that also does play a wilderness shit as well. You also have cdu, which is what paracelton was a part of Cdu is a many spider-legged version of it that also continues to be open and send kids From one level to the next so that starts at this sort of like low level Version of rehabilitation and then you go into the wilderness program where you're really fucked. So this stuff is Is is still very much an active part of the american system like we have a lot of these And kids are dying each year more kids have died in 2011 to 20 now Than in the first three decades of the trouble teen industry I would say more kids have been reported to have died. Yes. Yes, and these kids are all like and they're all died

The same thing it's restraint. It's this thing where they're like they put them in a prone position It's a lot of what we're seeing with police brutality It's like Eric Garner. It's that type of murder. They tire someone's hands behind their back They put them face down on the ground and they kneel on them or they hold their hands down And they quote-unquote that's supposed to be a human a humane way to restrain somebody But a lot of times if you're on some form of psychotropic drug trying to handle your mental illness When you're in that position it can actually make it very easy for you to throw up So a lot of times you are throwing up and then you're kind of you're choking on your own vomit in this position

And it's just it's still just so prevalent Yeah, and it's really disgusting the way they named that institution after jim Morrison I Didn't choke on his own vomit. All right. That's very that's very depressing the way they named that institution after jimmy hendrix or river Phoenix or or head ground poem that's a pro that is a professional the joke bombs just which is around What's the name of somebody else who vomited on their own? Chris farley, maybe he would have died of the overdose but he also puked in his own mouth He was up his face up when he died. Yeah, that's how you choke

No, but this is how these guys face down face mush in the ground you can die whole series Yeah, I mean there are dozens more still operating utah in texas are two very big states Jesus fucking places the seed is still around to a new york times article released just three months ago Feature testimony from half a dozen kids who have been treated in the exact ways we've described and worse Because now it's starting to really pop into the transgender community There are a lot of people sending transgender kids to these fucking places shock and beat it out It's so fucked human rights abuses 101. Oh, yeah, we've been talking about that on top ad It's coming from the legislative branch now. It is just absolutely disgusting now in 2007

Congress decided to investigate the trouble teen industry because of so many reports of abuse and because of all the deaths There's a lot of deaths. Yeah, I mean like three kids have died in trouble teen facilities since 2016 The last was just a couple years ago in 2020 was one of this huge ass list. Yeah But predictably congress concluded that it was impossible to determine the true extent of the industry's problems Because of inconsistent regulation and reporting those are features though Those are not bugs of the trouble teen system too big to fail They gave it it's the too big to fail thing works like what are we gonna do the thing is you go into these places These kids are screaming and it's like I can't even think straight. Yeah, it's too confusing to prosecute basically

They're just they're basically throwing up their hands and saying like oh god. I don't want to do it I don't want to do it so hard. So hard. It is hard and uh legislation to reform the trouble teen industry failed repeatedly even though and this might not I wouldn't say even though I'd say probably because of the fact that millions in public funds taxpayer money. Yeah goes to fund these monstrosities So we're all complicit Hey, it's like they did it's like they cultivized all of us. Yeah, but but things might be changing If ever so slowly of all people fucking Paris Hilton, dude, she's a different person than who she portrayed herself on television She is a very she's kind of like she's intense. She's got what a doctor I was in the nut to care of

Well, it's different. It's a but she was a poor dog owner in her past Yeah Well, she was a survivor of the cdu school and her and other patient turned activists of lobby congress to pass tougher Regulations and these efforts have actually been met with some success on the state level In 2021, utah, perhaps the state with the most active trouble teen institutions as far as I can tell They passed legislation limiting restraint and seclusion while also increasing funding for abuse investigations So that's something it is something. I mean, it's a little bit like Baked burritos. Yeah, but you know, it's slightly healthier. But if you eat a whole bag, you're still gonna get obese

It's just getting you there. It's just like again within this country to in order for us to erase the Generations of violence that we allow to happen due to money Like sometimes it just takes a second for them to be like, but are you sure? Are you sure we want to but listen before I like I know we've wasted like are you sure like they want to do it? And then they're like you slowly roll it back like eventually they will realize that drugs are won the war Yeah, of course we support Paris Hilton in this effort and she can have her d snider moment She's going for the congress. That'd be great. It'd be awesome. I'd love to see that. Yeah Um, well in Oregon in California children that were previously sent to out-of-state facilities

They were taken back kids from the welfare system Oregon in california We're just sending these fucking kids out like foster kids out to these places And that at least puts the smallest financial pressure on the industry to tamp it down a little bit. Yeah, california, especially Is a pretty big market although california can just send it in state I don't think we built a new school here in a long time like universities with prisons are popping up all over the place So while the troubled teen industry will seemingly always have a place in american society We can all do our part to make that place

Smaller as is evidence the only thing that works to get these places shut down is public pressure Which hits them in the only place they care about their wallet So spread the word these places don't work. They never have work and they never will work It is a travesty that they still exist anywhere and the more we talk about it The less of a chance though be that the next generation gets sent And if no one gets sent then these places will eventually choke out and they'll die the death that they all deserve There you go. I completely agree. Thank you all so much for listening to our series on the troubled teen industry They've done nothing but create chaos and ruin lives and it makes for unhealthy

It makes for an unhealthy society kids need to be rich the way it always needed to has always been done through a singular Wrap done by a white woman teacher That is the only way to reach these kids I get it. Yeah, no, no, I agree. I agree But what a story so you want to tell people all over because we have like many sources There was many many sources in this whole this whole saga definitely All right. Well our source on joe richey is a book called duck in a raincoat by mora curly This is the cutest name ever for a horrific story. I want a duck in a raincoat

Yeah, of course we had, you know, like the rise and fall of sin and on help at any cost Those were both invaluable resources for the last couple of episodes. We also used a lot of articles We used suffer the little children by suzuki nathi We used ex students describe a lawn school by david gurliaki via portland press herald We used his family asked what really happened at a lawn school by katharine skelton and lindsay tice We had the day officer smiley helped a boy escape a lawn school But also by katharine skelton and lindsay tice. We have trial of guilt by dominique dunn Dominique dunn. He was also greatly involved in the oj simpson trial. He's the father of

Um, the actress who was murdered by her boyfriend. Yes from poltergeist from the girl from poltergeist Yeah, he's her father. Oh my goodness. And that's that's what we have. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, we know we we went in deep Next week, we're probably gonna get a we're gonna get a little bit silly before we get serious Not serious not too serious not too serious But the next with the next big series we're gonna do is a long-awaited update And i'm very very excited because we're coming for him again Yeah, well, I mean, I don't want to blow the cover guys, but it's all gonna be on the burger king Kids club. Do you guys remember what have they been up to and what did they do?

You know, it was the worst thing is that I heard the kid in the wheelchair could fucking walk Wow Oh, yep. Think about that and there was a character who's covering up Q Wasn't the guy with the glasses cold Q? Well, this is why we're gonna get into it. Yeah Finally, we're gonna name. We're gonna figure out all their names over an hour and a half long episode Well, they named the guy that you were referencing wheels. Yes. Yes. It was simple It was a little on the nose there, but we're gonna do a big update on a previous series

But we're also before that we're gonna do a fun history series that I can't wait for the waiters life for me Yeah, you're like waiters life for me. Hope you like hooks Oh, we should go with you Lynn. We should come with you and mention them the silly buddy. Okay. Well, thank you all so much for listening Thank you guys. Make sure you check out whiz brew and page seven at the release the butthole cut They're in Dallas, Texas at the Addison improv January 25th, and they are at the yet. Emos in Austin, Texas in January 27th Go and check them out. Take a gander Um, whiz wish mark us a happy 40th. Thank you Yes, and to all those survivors out there

Keep on doing your best and hang in there and congratulations on all your progress And this shit never you never deserved it in the god damn first place You never literally I feel it gets really important. You never deserved. It was never your fault. You shouldn't have been there. Nope All right, everyone hail yourselves. Hail status I mean Magustal Asia tell me if I was king of the world I'd free every child I'd free every child For every every child to do what I think we're just gonna end that every child should be an angel

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