Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 523: David Miscavige Part II - A Convenient Belief

Episode Date: February 25, 2023

The boys continue the story of David Miscavige, this week seeing David firmly take command of the ship through manipulation techniques and outbursts, awaiting the "return" of the transcended founder L. Ron Hubbard while leading Scientology into a new, more violent era.

I'm discovering so far that the entirely ironic suggestion to people that have told me something like super serious about that has happened to them right now it's like a lot of obviously we've had friends of you know lost people there's a lot going on it's really I have blisters on my sisters what do you tell me you got to run on it and that's what I've been saying to people like now that I have all this stuff I have all this material is all coming home and then like you know I've had several people like say a bunch of like really like grave news to me and reaching out to you as a person knowledge my problem yours is how do

I put this that's more allegorical I also don't understand your problem you don't know this is again those blisters on your sister it's because you have an emu you need to run your words first of all that's why you don't understand cuz actually I'm gonna actually step in for you kissles because you don't know you've passed you need to properly define your words okay I need to find my words but I'm also getting pretty fucking interpolated here I don't want to interpolate this is just the start of the show it's true but apparently yeah people don't like the ironic suggestion for me to audit them until their needle

floats yeah because it seems that a lot of times I again yeah there seems to be a wall to the kind of vulnerable areas of my personality right I do but I hear like knowledge yeah and I make frown I listen I go no I don't go I go you do a good job I put my hands on my hips wow yes it's what a sociopath does to pretend like they're a human making the effort really good welcome to the last podcast of the left everyone been hanging out with Henry hanging out with Marcus have you checked your e-meter today is your e-meter running good Scientology humor it's not bad as good as any other Scientology humor

which is to say it's bad also first of all again you know what I've also is there's a reading I've been doing yeah I we need to stop all of this we need to grind up we got a grind the greats Brian grind the fucking breaks here okay great all right because it's not Scientology all right mm-hmm it's the science it's knowledge yeah it's I think you may be wrong there Henry it is the study of knowledge it's the study of science of the study of knowledge of perhaps the science of the study of knowledge well either way the science of study either way yeah and either way Kirstie Ali was great and cheers there

we go let's do it David Miss Gavage part two let's continue to delve into the weird long yet short life of David it's kind of fun because yeah if we're a small man not a lot in there keeps on going so when we last left David Miss Gavage he dealt a mortal but not yet fatal blow to Pat Broker Pat Broker of course was his main rival for the top spot at Scientology following Elron Hubbard's death Pat was of course the man with a supposed new OT levels hidden away and as long as he had that in his back pocket he still had a chance at succeeding LRH also I would like to point out it is hidden away in my back

pocket so please do not lose my back pocket oh I should have said that out loud because what's perfect about me is that I am at back pocket height Pat Broker actually threw his own wife under the bus first you go into another layer deeper you understand that actually his wife was the one that was truly close to LRH and that because he was one of the first Commodore's messengers yes and so Pat actually first got her out of the way and then like kind of like shuttled her off like there's a thing about being a Scientology wife that you really need to think about if you are let's say you're an up-and-coming young actress and you

meet some guy like I don't know Troy Palamalu Troy Palamalu you know he's new into Scientology you want to get in there because you're like oh the uniforms who's that red-headed Baron I love that man that writer is in incredible I love each one of his not non-essential words okay they love all of it but just know that if you're married to a high-functioning Scientologist the over-under new disappearing is really high higher yeah it just seems like no matter what whether the religion be new or old women kind of get fucked over at some point yeah all right well at the end of the last episode we implied that

Miss cabbage took out Pat broker with a pretty simple one-two punch involving bags of cash hidden inside the walls of brokers ranch house yeah in reality though it took miss cabbage over two years to fully establish himself as the leader so we're gonna get into that fight in detail right now nice now since miss cabbage had already spent years purging the upper echelons of the church of anyone who might have made a claim to the throne there were no other serious contenders to deal with besides Pat broker hmm even though those two years were basically miss cabbage trying to find just the right angle to line up

the kill shot so the original og like group was the there you had the guardians office right was the that was the big old like kind of governing secret police body now of Scientology KGB and so what David Miss cabbage did was like I'm in charge of like the sea or I'm like I've become sort of the representative of the sea or the outer echelons of Scientology up to this point like yes a lot of them were sea org members but this is before it was essential for you to be a sea org member to be management and so they viewed the sea org as a bunch of Navy biting nerds right like a bunch of guys that put on a

bunch of uniforms stolen valor they have no reason to have a uniform because their leader was barely in the Navy you know I mean we all know this from our series on LRH I just saw a stolen valor video of this dude trying to get half off waffles at the Waffle House yeah this guy fucking reamed his ass he's like what what what trooper you in because Waffle House a lot of those guys they do work in the military and then our ex-cons and then literally the guy at one point just looked at him in the fake army suit and she's like man I'm just trying to get free waffles

yeah so what he understood implicitly was like what we're gonna do is we're gonna take the inner group yeah we're the hardcore motherfuckers yes if you control the militarized group of any organization you're in charge at any point you want it was a coup well partly miss Kavich was able to pretty much corner everyone because he dissembled a pretty solid goon squad of his own on the way up because if a bully is aggressive enough he will inevitably attract more bullies aside from future defector Marty Rathbone miss Kavich also had the aforementioned Mike Rinder who suddenly found himself in charge of

the office of special affairs international Mike Rinder is a perfect example of button up to the top yeah where he went to talk about a dude that was bounced back and forth from being in charge of the most important parts of Scientology yeah to get busted down to scrape and barnacles up the bottom of a fucking boat yeah he did it like five times I mean then he's no he knows the working the working-class lifestyle with Scientologists and one of the higher echelon lifestyles of a Scientologist so he knows the whole thing and every layer was absolute hell okay great well in this position the head of the office

of special affairs international Rinder was in charge of all international public relations legal relations government relations and the quote handling of enemies that's what a nerd writes down if you're a nerd making his own government there's gonna be a whole handling of enemies section yeah because anyone can be your enemy it's like you know fucking you get you missed a taco in my Taco Bell order you're an enemy yeah my fucking doctor told me oh you would like oh they all were joking about how like yeah my blood pressure is the highest blood pressure they've seen in here and now unfortunately they weren't

joking they were like all serious or whatever and I was like yeah and so now milk is my enemy yeah I get my lot of how milk or salt those are my enemies yeah but that's technically good that's good for you and fuck this and fuck that and fuck you're you you're a sci-op we've already talked about most likely the OS AI they've probably been the ones battling those Australian subpoenas these last few years in an effort to keep miss cabbage from answering human trafficking charges in open court there's something to be learned from David Miss cabbage which is if they can't find you you're not guilty of

anything absolutely even if he's right in front of you now Mike render when is it render or right it's render Mike render yeah I've heard a car I got a couple of DMS and they were just like it's not Rhinder it's Render with like five and I'm like is he a is he a yamaka that's the name of a that's the name of a little bicycle right now one is religious gear in the other one is is something vanilla ice road in cool yes I know a yama yamaha Mike render like spender not Mike Reiner like grinder yep okay now Mike render went on the road almost immediately trying to squash any sort of criminal case or civil

litigation that might come up in relation to Scientology and it may not come as much of a surprise that that was a big job even then yeah see negative press was poison at this critical juncture in the church because even though David Miss cabbage had jettisoned most of Hubbard's adventurous romanticism we miss him yeah we miss him every day I'm gonna play some Iran journals next week I think I think you guys need to hear just him like ah yes how's you can hear the birds are jumping and it's like because he's recording it from a motor home where he's hide you're like yeah goat noises

and he's like ah yes to the goat so maybe for the performance oh well even though he had jettisoned all that miss cabbage shared one of LRH's more practical obsessions that of achieving tax exempt status for the church of Scientology yeah the first big step to getting closer to God yeah all you got to do is not get taxed like oh god yeah and the first step along the road to tax exemption occurred in November of 1987 when the IRS confirmed that their investigation into the church had been concluded of course this was after they uncovered Operation Snow White yeah they're full-on invasion of the IRS

yeah there was Scientology's first clumsy attempt to achieve tax exempt status through infiltration in blackmail the cool way the cool way and I mean it's really bold yeah the oceans 11 version of trying to avoid tax yes but done by dumpy brainwashed nerds and again that's what you need yeah well I would say in Scientology they're I would say they're quiet in shape it's more skinny nerds than dumpy nerds have you been to Clearwater yeah I've been to Clearwater but that's more Florida than Scientology yeah I will always remember when I was working at the borders across the street from flag on the southern

border yes I remember that yes what a great guard you were always you know because I was let him right through absolutely I'd be like hey my not my problem not you ever but I remember the Scientologists that would come in and the only way I really describe them is as human teapots and the men that would come in a lot of times you look at be like oh that's a pair of bite by like you know binocular glasses what do you call like what do you call what's the bifocals he's a bifocals if they became a person yeah it's nerds in jumpsuits with clipboards and they show up and they're very they don't blink but I remember a

woman that I was speaking with that definitely was Julia Sweeney in character as Pat the her effort or like the strength of her asking for the self-help section was really interesting and taking over and she's like I see the Dianetics are gone you know oh yeah I was wondering why would she need the self-help section if she has Scientology looking for Dianetics basically they go in they buy out that it's a it's a function that they go out they buy any single time that you have one of those books out there they buy it out mm-hmm so they show that it's still a bestseller well yeah but other people

can't buy it then or read it now that's not really the point now is it is I suppose not open your stats dude you because you're either up stats or down stats and you don't want to be down stats also David Spade did clarify it's Pat is a woman that's what David Spade said yeah that makes sense I mean I feel like you would know he was the he was one day they don't even worse than when we said that we believe that the Secret Service killed JFK the elder millennial audience it's gonna freak out I don't know you know who is in the Pat movie wean oh I'll be in a bad lines and everything I love it I don't

know man I just feel like if I saw a weed I'd just be like well they're not vaccinated like I don't know Dean and Jean no man they're on top they're on top they're fucking on top of it man all right don't be good don't be I don't decryde Dean and Jean I won't I won't am I coming for a win now the conclusion of the IRS's investigation was a positive in the long run for the church as a whole but it was bad for Miss cabbage personally because it meant that he could no longer hold those bags of cash he'd found in the walls Pat Broker's house over his head

therefore Miss Cavitch's number one rival for the position of heir apparent wasn't counted out just yet see Pat Broker was still telling everyone that he had those missing OT level somewhere and remember Elron Hubbard had named Pat and his wife Annie as loyal officers in flag order 3879 and that's where him throwing her under the bus came in is because it was definitely a article that thing was written by Pat and he made himself loyal officer number one mm-hmm and Annie was loyal officer number two by Elron Hubbard but it was something he's never he never wrote all right all right interesting also I've been playing

atomic heart so let's refer to them as comrade okay wow well he's getting he's getting based yeah you're getting real based what if Russia what if we listen to put oh god don't know oh yeah coming up next stained I just like I don't like the music I like your politics I just like the name I don't know so David Miss Cavitch hired a team of armed private investigators and off-duty LAPD officers to search Pat's house again wow I mean they just invaded mm-hmm no oh full uniform yeah and they broke in in the middle of the night they literally showed up and like Mike Rinder was like put into position where him and five

other Scientologists see org high-end guys yeah we're woken up in the middle of the night we're like we're doing a secret mission right now get your fucking shit they went on a van they're like basically your job is to sit in this van and you're gonna wait until we call you and then he sat in a van outside of Pat Brooker's home okay midnight to 6 a.m. and then they got a call C.O.B. handled it and it was like that's it mm-hmm so it was actual LAPD officers off duty they were wearing their gear yeah I mean they were wearing they were wearing uniforms that implied that they were police officer that's the

key Steven Seagal just the implication yes got you it's very scary it's much scarier than a cop and so scary oh yeah well no OT levels were found but they did uncover a further $50,000 in cash under the kitchen sink cool I mean just tens of thousands of dollars everywhere hidden away scrolled away in this guy's house miss cabbage then whisked Pat's wife Annie to a private room for an interrogation that could have been charged as kidnapping very easily yeah miss cabbage broke a lot of laws that night hmm but she admitted that Pat kept a storage locker in Paso Robles and she said that if the new OT levels were

anywhere they were there but when no OT levels were found in the locker or in the broker home miss cabbage came to the only conclusion possible there were no new OT levels no oh my god but since it had been publicly announced that there were new OT levels and it had been announced at Elron Hubbard's memorial service no less the church had to live with the lie well what we know now is that they they definitely had LRH's notes and he did have a series of notes and he did plan a idea of an OT I believe was like 8 through 15 they think that he planned an idea he thought that he planned he would did that thing where he was like

I'm thinking it's coming to me you know it's like you're sure sure sure and then um then they got all the notes when they did find the notes it was the incoherent ramblings of a post-stroke cult leader in a mobile home and so it was um let's just say disorganized yeah less than inspiring perhaps well like any good cult Scientology doubled down and flipped the lie to their advantage they claim there's not just two OT levels so good you know what the fuck you're talking about there's a you wouldn't even believe to what are you I'm gonna come in a fucking slappy you fucking cock-suck wow I was thinking there was

only two there's seven there's seven seven new levels it's awesome it almost doubles the amount of levels you have to go through to reach the end of the bridge of total freedom more levels you get to spend more money yeah awesome however most defectors agree that those last seven levels were never written they think that only the concept of these levels exist as bait to keep rich fish on the hook until they've been drained of all their finances and influence is it safe to compare this to old and New Testament is this the New Testament of Scientology because there are some Christians who are just like

we stick with the old and the new socks I think that that is actually an extremely complex question because it's extremely complex because I think that is probably one of those things that professors debate about I think it would be more like just Protestants versus Catholics I would say I would say probably it's more like the differences between Protestant denominations like one is a little chiller like say like Methodist a little bit chiller sure always fun yeah and then you've got the more intense ones like the evangelicals like the ones like snake charmers and people who beat you and all that shit

like that's David Miscavige also this is very similar I would I would position it closer to Mormonism where you have the OG written words which unlike even Joseph Smith LRH was truly one of the most prolific you can't say he's a great writer but he definitely wrote the most of a lot of day like he over a lot of matters wrote thousands but thousands and thousands of missives and and the hours and hours of his lectures that he could filled out this world on and so what David Miscavige actually instead is kind of inheriting all of that shit and then now how do we keep using the same stuff in a way that moves us forward

which is because as we talked about and keep talking about it David's Miscavige doesn't have a single creative bone in his body also in the future if you don't have an answer to a question no need to talk for five minutes no no that's that's called a true answer now one might ask why someone else hasn't just written these new seven levels yeah or at least written one or two doesn't have to be David Miscavige it can be anyone anyone I think it's because there's never been a Scientologist who's been able to replicate L Ron Hubbard's cult leader rhythm and his syntax yeah my milkshake

brings all the clams to the yard. I love milkshaking clams. No, yeah. I'm gonna say it man. Again, not ironically, very creative. Funny guy. It's one of a kind brain it really is for good or ill and that's the thing is that if the new levels don't match that syntax and rhythm perfectly that spell will be broken you know people will they'll fall out of it they won't keep going it definitely happened yeah I mean it's like asking a gifted creative writing student to write a Shakespeare play that is in style language subtext and meaning indistinguishable from Hamlet or Othello yeah I just say

make a bunch of nake chicks do it now it's great yeah absolutely I mean a human could write that of course and they have but the level of talent and more importantly the level of emotion that such a task would require just isn't found in the Church of Scientology just think of arrested development season 5 just think about it was better than people said it I'm just saying the fall off is evident precipitous yes it just weren't in the same room well-filmed no yes they all shot it was it was ridiculous okay well put another way the best writer Scientology ever had in their

organization was the guy who wrote the screenplay for the notoriously shallow stinker crash I hate that fucking yes crash not 90s in 2006 not the cool crash the 2006 crash with with Jarl and Matt Dylan and one Oscar when everybody was mad at yeah because it won the Oscar yeah the one where Jack Nicholson like read the the fucking he read that it was the best picture and then he made like a face yeah he was like and it's it is panned worldwide as the worst best picture nominee or the worst best best picture winner ever except perhaps Shakespeare in love I love Shakespeare do you think it's a better movie than

saving private Ryan yeah it's my favorite picture private Ryan I like soldiers who weren't caught okay he was never caught why the trap because he was trapped behind enemy lines behind enemy and two brothers are supposed to be lost and the idea that try to save you the brother yeah because the other four guys don't care I only know it's if I'm reliant on a guy who fucks a beach ball every time he's stranded I'm gonna be pretty upset they didn't know that that happened to him first of all he didn't fuck it in second of all it wasn't a beach ball I know it's a volleyball it really doesn't he fucked it he fucked

it yeah the last deleted scene we're shrouded yeah yeah yeah well once David miscavige figured out that the highest OT levels didn't exist he finally had everything he needed to truly take over in April of 1988 a little over two years following Alron Hubbard's death Miss Kavich cancelled flag order 3879 that easy because he also just figured out you can call people SP's yeah we talking about last episode he once he figured out that special skills to that he could just say that you're an SP it really worked for him also to place this in time yeah this is a time period when he's already been with Shelley Miss Kavich so

him and Shelley have already also been married and he's also short up that way because I do believe that she was a high up amongst the common doors messengers and there was something about him because I don't think David miscavige has a like a horny like Adam well just so everyone knows Shelley Miss Kavich is David Miss Kavich's wife yes she's been missing since 2007 yeah she's been missing go over to someplace underneath they did a full series on it but basically talking to those that was also part of what he did to create a stabilizing force he's like I need a fucking wife yeah because they all have

fucking wives and if you go and you realize what's weird is that Shelley Miss Kavich I was watching a show that showed a picture of Mary Sue Hubbard and they were like sisters yeah they could have been identical twins they look so similar it's really strange I guess Kavich knows optics oh yes he did that on purpose all right and what was the point of the thing that he canceled well that what was the order that declared the brokers as loyal officers yes it was announced officially as a forgery it was like oh Pat broker wrote it Elron Hubbard didn't write so now he's officially knee-capped them at every

level basically everybody's fuck yeah they're done knowing that he'd finally lost the game broker fled America but Miss Kavich who holds a grudge like fucking nobody's business he still sent two private investigators after him and they told Pat that they'd been hired by Miss Kavich and the church to follow and harass him for the next 24 years 24 years 24 years 32 grand a month there is a there's a movie in that yeah of the two private investigators that just this is their whole job the whole job was to follow Pat broker and he knew it and they but that was also a thing that LRH told people to do one of the things he wrote

on yeah one of his missives about like how you properly bust down an enemy which is you be open about it you literally said you don't sneak you go like you make them knock on the door be like we're here to watch you we're gonna go through your trash we're gonna listen to your phone calls and they just did that you just did it for fucking 24 yeah I hope you like all the liquid shit I've been throwing away yeah man maybe it would be like you know when John Wayne Gacy when he was close to getting caught and he made friends with the two cops that were telling him similar yeah could be today's episode of last podcast on

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sad oh wow thanks for explaining that it's frown town frown town now Happy Valley was a site that had existed since 1974 and it was run by a branch of Scientology amongst a veritable forest of branches called the rehabilitation project force that was another thing that David Mischavich specifically did was splinter all of these various governing bodies of Scientology in T. Neaver smaller versions of things that looked after things they basically said if you took the found the word micromanagement in a dictionary David Mischavich's face would be right there he destroyed and also it made it so you

never knew who was working for what exactly that's like that's what I was gonna say wouldn't this be perfect for privacy and secrecy it is he learned from the US government mm-hmm yeah and that worked out so great 2001 something about September I love the way no one talked to each other every day every September 11th Dick Cheney still buys a slice of cake on seamless and he's like we did it a slice of yellow cake am I right now you get it well the RPF had itself been born from a Hubbard punishment group called the mudbox brigade now I want to be part of that that's fun you get to hang out in

the mud drink soda it's like the buttercream gang yeah that actually turned pretty violent cream because he was at the bottom of the barrel you know me need to play the find the barrel game yeah I think it was the prequel to that movie sleepers those kids were awake that was bad well really the mudbox brigade wasn't too bad mostly concerned with the maintenance on Hubbard's many ships these were the people who were in LRH's words really goofing up on the job really goofing up on that job really goofing up goofing up real bad I just don't even they use words that you would say but then they're great but then

they're Scientologists like leaders it's truly again it's a again it's a feature not a bug where I was going back through the Scientology handbook just kind of like having fun with it and you know you have to like define all these words and there was like one thing he wrote like a couple of words and I was like I'll bite I had the dictionary open as I was going I was like oh he's just making these words up he's going yeah these are all just made up words they don't have definitions creative yes but when the mudbox brigade was replaced by the rehabilitation project force it became more broad and more sinister the RPF

was made up of four groups all with appropriately Scientological names there were rock slammers IE people with hidden evil intention you don't even know that you're evil that's the worst part that's what Mike Render figured out when he they called him to tell him that when Shelly Muscavige told him that his son died right so he wasn't he was only there for the birds the both of his two children and then they were immediately scurried away and taken care of by literally four days old they were taken over by Sea Org like nanny so we watch them in a hotel room right and literally in discarded hotel rooms and so when his

second son died when his kid died at 11 weeks Shelly Muscavige cornered him and was just like hey just so you know your son dropped his body because your son chose to drop his body and what Mike Render he was so indoctrinated at that point was like what were my hidden evil evil intentions yeah what happened to me and so what they do is they did one of them is straight into auditing they take you straight into a room and they make you run your grief until the needle floats so basically so you don't feel anything anymore yeah that's that's a healthy way to handle it it is perfect also any investigation into either 11

what 11-year-old 11-day-old 11-day-old 11-week-old 11-week-old yeah yeah yeah yeah that guy named Sid is fucking mean bastard mm-hmm I hate him and his brothers mm-hmm there were rock slammers okay then you had repeated stat crashers those were people who are responsible for a decline in productivity you can see mr. casual pants over here being a bit of a stack right I want to be a rock slammer a little bit of a stack rasher there's overt product makers those are people who produced work of poor quality goofers as it were I'm using stuff like a good work it's a real good yeah we got a big big group of

goofers around say those handled by a bunch of goofers yeah I do like goofers and then there were those who scored low on their personality test those didn't even get a name yeah although I would like to say be very careful using the G word around comedians goofers yeah that's a pretty offensive term for comedians it's very it's a little old school yeah now concerning Annie broker miss Kavich probably put her in the rock slammer category because her actions had delayed his rise to the top for two years which was indeed an evil intention from his perspective mm-hmm along with everyone else and it's to the

RPF Annie broker was forced to study Scientology or audit for five hours a day then she'd work eight hours of physical labor and sleep for seven hours and all in all this is a comparatively weak reeducation camp when you compare it to some of the others we've talked about yeah she's not auto warm beer but it also seems absolutely horrible yeah yeah it's bad yeah yeah but even though it's not as bad as the worst that we've spoken of years of it will wear you down yeah and Annie spent two years at the RPF they did the same to Mike Render's parents because his parents are both OT high OT level Scientologists his pair

his mom was driving got into a car accident killed his father in the car accident she was then punished because they viewed her as pulling it in because that's what they call it is that pulling it in pulling it in means that you've done something wrong you have an overt or a withhold that we don't know and you're causing bad things to happen to you and to others because you're not doing the proper work I feel like a bit bunch of people my size should have gone and bonked the all these people on the head I think everyone involved he's a bonk bonk you know what there's some bonks coming later oh there's some

box there's some right well after serving her two-year sentence any broker was sent to gold base which is the real headquarters of Scientology located just north of Los Angeles that we'll get into later okay but within an hour and a half of arriving at gold base any broker fled now see org members the higher echelon of Scientologists they aren't let go as easily as the rank and file and likewise see org members don't let go of Scientology as easily even though they're treated the worst of all Scientologists because of these sunken cost fallacy the sunken cost issue right where you have given up so much

everything that's what Mike Grinder kept talking about I'm always on the fence with him because of the things that he did he was nuts he was you but you gave up so much that by the time you've just realized that you've been cucked out so hard and you've left so you've done so many things it's so hard to pull yourself out it's what everyone's gonna do it's what everyone's gonna think about Dana White when they realized there's no money in slap fighting yeah because I watched that do anybody can slap well it's quite dangerous they're all gonna die of brain aneurysms and things but all the families and everyone in the

interviews of the slap fight league are like well when we make it big and I'm a millionaire my kids are gonna love me and I'm like buddy I don't think you make even $10,000 they're gonna be like like that already well more what I'm talking about when it comes to people like Annie broker is that it's the people who are raised in Scientology she was a C-Org member from the time she was like 10 she didn't know anything else so to take me with Mike Grinder it's basically yeah but that's very that's very difficult for them then very much they don't have any idea what the

non-scientological world is like right all and they've been told all sorts of shit about what happens outside of Scientology oh yeah I think I think I can use the term here I would I would rather I would say we probably shouldn't don't use the real term no don't use that yet the real term that's an insane racial slur in England yeah don't use that you're right there's a term of Scientology for the world right outside of Scientology there's a word that they use but it's like that whole world is literally viewed as a scooter but the scooter but world is not cool and it's filled with demons that will destroy

you got you well for most escaped C-Org members by the time they figured out something as simple as say a bus stop yeah Scientology security goons they would have already scooped them up and also Scientology most C-Org members most Scientologists at this level they don't even have driver's license no they don't of course they don't own cars they don't even know how to drive a fucking car well yeah that one woman didn't know how to drive a car we killed her husband it was bad too bad but even if they did make it past security escapees had to live with the knowledge that their friends and family would be

interrogated and followed until the escapee was found and forced back this was a big Scientology technique is that if you leave we will torture your family yep right in any brokers case her escape was a big enough deal where miss cabbage sent Marty Rathbone one of his top goons to go out and get her back by the time Rathbone tracked Annie to Boston though miss cabbage nixed the plan and actually sent out John Travolta flying one of his flying one of his private jets to bring Rathbone back home Travolta meanwhile was free because he was at one of the lowest points in his career this is still a whole year away

from the premiere of look who's talking early in Scientology history but you imagine that calling up John Tra and just been like John Tra you motherfucker get your fucking gay ass in that plane I want you to find a fucking New York I'm gonna tell the whole fucking world what's going on yeah and then he says something about what cutter oh yeah you see oh oh you're talking oh yeah oh missus kept okay play missus get oh yeah oh miss Scott nice director he really is pretty good it's incredible how he hasn't worked in so long fuck you working now technically this is where Marcus what I would say in the next five

years and then Hollywood can fucking have it and God they've been clamoring I keep saying no my mother told me why did you say notice I know buddy by this you know what my blood pressure is not high that is a fucking lie that these merchants of death are trying to sell me I'm a fainting I actually think maybe an emeter might help you with just that just that one situation just grab onto two steel poles so even though Annie supposedly had documents that could hurt David Miss cabbage I think that Miss cabbage feared it's more important to just let her go because what miss cabbage really wanted was to break her but in

the end this is what got him the top spot Pat broker is an exile psycho Annie broker she's out of Scientology completely so miss cabbage by 1988 is completely in control of Scientology two years after L Ron Hubbard died as long as they never say a single fucking word about Scientology he'll let him go yeah and the rest of them like you know because there's like Jerry Armstrong the guy that like tried to like steal the documents and then they have other guys like that Barry Minton guy who wasn't even in Scientology he just hated Scientology and he started playing out the ass he was like a multimillionaire

until they went deep into his finances and found out he did a bunch of sketches yet which so that that eliminated eliminated him but it is really weird because he did let some people go this cabbage yeah but then some people he just even wanted to destroy them yeah yeah he really did and Annie broker actually she left Scientology forever she died free in 2011 a non Scientologist even though she was once in line to replace L Ron Hubbard himself all right she wasn't squirrel busted no she wasn't squirrel but the squirrel busting is for people that use the Scientology tech outside of

Scientology we took whatever they learned that's what a squirrel is is somebody that takes the stuff that they the private OT stuff and teach other people outside it takes their nuts home yeah got you feeling confident miss cabbage refurbished and launched a sea org ship called the free winds return to the sea back to basics that's great Henry you're gonna have to bring milk back to your diet you are in charge of getting the sales to go yes indeed it's the free winds well there he could publicly work on OT 8 the highest existing level yet to be revealed also he could establish himself as the true

air now when L Ron Hubbard died in 1986 OT 8 was known to exist but it had not yet been released to even the highest ranking Scientologists he had written the bones of it and they went and they did manage to put it together yeah and David miss cabbage planned to change that with the maiden voyage of the free winds there he planned to finally reveal OT 8 to the 300 some odd OT 7's on board but and this is important he did not reveal the original OT 8 that L Ron Hubbard himself had written oh yeah no it was a flight of ideas I would say in its original form OT 8's a bit of a hoot yeah yeah see with each OT level new

knowledge is revealed yeah he's always plumbing yeah cuz I'm in and digging in and gripping and ripping yeah you know you don't learn about Z new and you know and the the volcanoes and the atomic bombs oh you don't learn that until OT level three yeah in your yeah that's like 250 grand in yeah wow but it but at OT 8 in the original form Hubbard revealed that he would eventually return from the grave as the Antichrist to stop an alien invasion led by Z news galactic Confederacy because Jesus Christ was a homosexual pedophile I'm just glad somebody finally saying what I'm thinking

waiting for it was like finally I feel seen how does he scrap those plans well Hubbard further wrote that anyone who attempted auditing OT 8 without being properly prepared would spontaneously combust whoa and he strongly implied the OT 8 was the last level he'd publish which contradicted the extra levels lie and tell you there's a lot of bombs in this what's weird is those that do you think that's what's causing my blood pressure is because I read the OT 8 like rundown last night it could be that might be why you have the highest blood pressure that the doctor has seen he said a year yeah year which really isn't

that he right now long yeah he was really weird and I was like do I get this for free they're like no no it costs it costs more for the rest of your life yeah yeah yeah they just love that you're forever patient they like that that's cool it's a health sick system now this story this OT 8 story about homosexual pedophile Jesus Jesus and like seeing who coming back all that this upset the small group of Scientologists who first heard about it before the big trip on free winds it didn't test well he did a test group yes it tested real bad the LRH is gonna come back fight the aliens pedophile Jesus is gonna come fight

Ella Ron Hubbard and then that's I mean that's awesome I do miss it's a comic book celebrity deathmatch I miss it in that fact because I would love to see acclamation homosexual pedophile Jesus versus a supercut ginger LRH like that would be incredible yeah but that's the thing after some people heard about OT 8 these are the highest levels level Scientologists some of them left yes like fuck this and it was similar to when Hubbard released the level that introduced the Xenu mythology wall of fire handle it so before the free winds trip OT 8 was rewritten without all the wacky shit and they actually rewrote it

to lower the stakes which is a brave move for a cult leader hmm it was also brilliant because it didn't require anyone to create anything meaningful in L Ron Hubbard style yeah and at the same time it was gonna make Scientology a lot more money yeah because guess what they did well the people on board the free winds excited about the new revelation yes yeah because you remember it's a big pop in circumstance you got the fucking Scientology ban there they're doing all is shooting fireworks off right yeah this is like a carnival cruise we're not talking about yeah it's a nice yacht well these people were told

that OT 8 is actually a repeat of the seven levels that you've already spent a million dollars reaching seven levels will be repeated in perpetuity until you're deemed ready for OT 9 which doesn't exist what is he mr. wonderful he is in perpetuity so it's really interesting because I was watching a show with Mike Render and they asked him whatever like what inspired LRH and I don't know whether he does not know or not but Mike Render was like I have no idea he was a well-read man he was obsessed with philosophies blah blah kind of very much boilerplate Scientology bio of LRH does not talk

about the OTO documents just talking does not talk about any of the ritual magic shit that all this is all stuff that we talked about in our Jack Parsons yes they did not talk about any of that shit which is really interesting because then OT 8 what it revealed was that so in your time in Scientology you're spent scanning all of the many lives that you've lived that your Dayton has been attached to for years and years trying to figure out the problems of your past and what OT 8 reveals is that actually the body statements that you've been quote-unquote getting rid of all of this time your

previous lives were their memories you're just you so it strips you all down OT 8 it's like it's supposed to be the what he called the first real level which is congrats now you just you you're not even a thing anymore you don't even hell itself and we got to redo all of this stuff yeah because you just it fucks you up that's also the last level of the OTO somewhat well the OTO basically you're your own god it's it but it's your your own god here's the creative abilities of a god but it's really about how you've been you you've been god now you're aware that you've been god this entire time which is

interesting because this OT 8 was not written by LRH was written by David Miss Kavich two years after LRH died the bones of the tech were written oh this was LRH's idea big the actual like the structure of it was his idea that said that doing it all over again yes well the doing all over again was a fun Davis Miss Kavich like kick around yeah but the actual like you're just you yeah reveal that was that was LRH that makes sense that makes a lot more because David I actually thought like that seems a little too creative for David Miss Kavich he understood how to monetize it yeah

that's the things that Scientology had always been a scam but this was cruelty on a whole new level this is designed to create lifetimes of frustration and dash dreams you need customers yeah it just seems like there was a lot of people probably going home that night and just looking at that bottle of whiskey they haven't opened in 20 years you know LRH's mother quit after the OT 8 because you got to start all over again show that you've wasted up because if you get to OT 8 you've spent about a million dollars at least and then you just do it again just done it's like none of it counted it's the it's the snow globe reveal at the

end of our lives yeah wow that's almost fire is that what that is yeah I mean not saying almost no no Hill Street Blues I'm just saying the idea I hate when movies are a dream what am I been sitting here fucking doing oh if none of this fucking happen yeah I want blood pressure is not hot the first thing you learn in creative writing actually night mirror in Elm streams that's different the function of the film and it wasn't the whole movie wasn't a dream but the the dreams are real though that's the scary that's something it's like the extra dreams are extra real absolutely no I agree where's my machine where's my

I know buddy you really need to calm it so they just got the rug pulled up from underneath them and then some people were like well that was so fun let's do it again yeah well some people were like let's get the fuck out of here yeah some people absolutely left and some of them had to convince themselves of that that sort of thing we go okay okay I think I think I get it I think I understand there's a plan here yeah there's a plan it does remind me of that fucking jackass from the next to him documentary where he's like Keith Rineery told me he knew a new kind of math yeah I was like I know math and he knew a new man yeah Rinder also

says that he spoke with one of Keith Rineery's crew he got them because he once you're out of the cult leader like membership like then you get to talk to the all the post code hang out Rineery openly copied Scientology yeah and talked about he read what is Scientology he openly did oh yeah no we all recognize that when we watch the document only have so cults have very similar tendencies don't that's why wait so you won't even see mine coming I think we will this new level of cruelty it was actually just sort of what Miss Kavich was creating all along because he also introduced a culture of violence

when it came to the inner sanctums of Scientology and that's in addition to the emotional abuse that had been going on all throughout the Alron Hubbard years so 88 was the year that they first got violent well not necessarily Miss Kavich had been violent for a long time it's about the time that it started getting institutional yeah just into policy take another 20 years for it to become really institutionalized well the truth is that he had an assistant his communicator is what they call it in Scientology is assistant and she would always smooth things over and save in Miss Kavich's signature move was the

full-on sideways pile dry clothesline full with full-on airborne sideways pile clothesline so what he loved was to jump over table clear a fucking table and hit you with his torso yeah and I get it cuz I do understand let me like watch him jump because yeah and his favorite word was cocksucker yeah God that's like that's a move that like puck from Alpha flight does sometimes as a little guy yeah your whole body's got to go my god it's the speedball it's the fucking fastball special the speedball special the fucking colossus and Wolverine used to do it it is yeah absolutely flying yourself inside it's really hard especially

very dude he did it to an old woman good for her she should have got out of the way she obviously her reaction time wasn't up down she must have been downstairs yeah yeah have many over some withholds that she hadn't she hadn't cleared out she's an older woman yeah yeah makes it difficult but one member of the church marketing unit said that during a board meeting they saw miss cabbage get up stand behind two-seated executives and bonk their heads together like a cartoon yeah he learned how to do it from three stooches but he loved the app mash in people's faces but he bonked him hard enough for what I'm

sort of bleeding out of his ear yeah dude he did it to Mike render that's gonna be a new fucking don't let Dana White hear about bonk fighting oh yeah because that's that's next after slap fighting once you get into the looney tune school of karate but he of Mike render like he had like a little like he had this so he had his office right but he had this balcony that was only he only had access to that he would go smoke on David Miss cabbage and Mike render went out there he would make you wait for him out there where you have to go wait on this balcony he said one time Mike render there was a series of bushes

there Mike render came out I said to me you fucking cocksucker and then just jacked him in the chest with his elbow like he fell back in the bushes he grabbed his head literally was pushing his face into the bushes and like pushing his face in the bushes pull him out pull him down on the floor his face is bleeding Michael render's face bleeding he then goes inside gave him scavenge comes back out gives him a glass of scotch and he says clean yourself up he does that shit oh yeah thank you for the scotch I guess another time about 20 Scientologists were summoned to the religious technology center

headquarters of course everyone's in trouble and without warning miss cabbage started slapping one of his subordinates open hand got him at least ten times okay and this was even this is horrible because it was one of the guys you'd already headbunked because once you get headbunked you're gonna get slapped yeah he got blabbed he got bonked and slapped oh yeah but then he's the secretary that would go and be like David you can't get him so mad yeah you're getting something you're getting you're really riling them up yeah it's like a logical torture 101 so easy to do this shit to be honest yeah well another sea org

member who left in 1990 which implies this happened throughout the 80s he said that he once witnessed miss cabbage assault a staffer by punching them in the ribs so hard that you could hear his fists thudding against his victims rib cage and of course since shit rolls downhill those that were attacked by miss cabbage would in turn attack others both with and without miss cabbage's direction in David's view beating others showed loyalty to him so it's just part of the culture now it's totally become ingrained it's about never happened no an LRH never happened no because he viewed that as being serious

about Scientology yeah and that's not to say the LRH wasn't fucking horrible it's not to say that like people weren't emotionally ruined and financially ruined during LRH of course they were but it wasn't his wife to jail his own fucking wife to fucking clink so yeah he's does bad shit but yeah and he wasn't he wasn't a physical type he was not physical so you know you do have to clarify that he was not it was not physical violence and that's good that's good but yeah fine the whole thing is horrible but I guess that's good that's where the bar is yeah that's where the bar is now in 1989 the Supreme Court dealt Scientology a major blow when it was

announced that Scientology services were not tax deductible because they were a quid pro quo transaction i.e. I pay you for a thing and you give me the thing yeah it's a business yeah that same year the IRS again denied tax exempt status to the organization now miss cabbage had actually learned a couple of things from Operation Snow White and this time he waged war legally and asymmetrically he flooded the IRS with lawsuits he engaged in a smear campaign against individual IRS agents he took out full-page ads in national newspapers targeting the IRS and he created astroturf groups to ruffle the public's

feathers I mean to be honest that's fun it's kind of that's where I'm just like what's this guy all about and next thing I'm getting bonked and this was only another battle in Scientology's long war that wouldn't end for another five years that's what Scientology always referred to it as the war the war the war so it was the five-year war yeah well actually well it's a 30 year war that's what they called it the 30 year or they didn't call it the 30 year war but it lasted for 30 years they called it the war okay but at the same time miss cabbage also knew to never take his eye off the ball when it came to corporate

image keep it tight mm-hmm see L Ron Hubbard knew way back when that his personal image was essential to Scientology's acceptance as a mainstream religion which was key to tax exempt status so you're that right folks L Ron Hubbard dressed like that on purpose yeah well he was trying to hide but you know he had the long hair for a while pretty gross because he had it was the page boy haircut it was the he-man haircut full penguin ball hair the long hair just started at the very back of his head yeah that's cool though well LRH rightfully surmised that if everyone knew that the ruddy ginger

taking readings from tomato plants if they knew that he was a failed sailor turned sex occultist scam artist and they might not follow him as the leader of religion that demanded all of your money I don't know I think that's the best sales pitch I've heard of him for some for some but they want to get a wide net yeah so miss cabbage got Mike render on the case to make sure that everyone thought well of L Ron Hubbard yeah he's cuz David miss cabbage his favorite thing was to give people truly impossible tasks yes you see how far you'd go mm-hmm I mean the one thing we've learned about the past six years is you

just put anyone's head on John Rambo yeah well mainly render was tasked with getting Hubbard a posthumous Nobel Prize for his discovery of the so-called purification run imagine Fernando can you imagine one of us dies and you're like Marcus in a full-on pill haze comes to you and is like you need to go get Henry opposed Thomas Emmy or I'm gonna beat you like I'm gonna literally beat you which is makes no sense because they've been with it would it render immediately find out well he didn't immediately find out that this thing he found it out later but we'll get to that here a second okay but basically the

purification rundown was a regimen of saunas vitamins oils and niacin and all of that causes drug residues quote-unquote drug residues to sweat out of the body well that is the secret tech behind Narkin on sweaty yeah this according to Scientology cured the patient of their drug addiction which in their view was worthy of a Nobel Prize that's what fucking Jordan Belfort talked about in every single more every single morning you go into a sauna to sweat out the drugs and he's the wolf of Wall Street I mean it was fake yeah because all that is not real you don't sweat that shit out no work like that I

guess you might I guess you might I can't do anything against them well to make this Nobel Prize happen render spearheaded a magazine and billboard campaign touting the brilliance of LRH this is where render coined the infomercial tagline one of the most acclaimed and widely read authors of all-time dianetics whoa cool I've seen them at comic-con yeah oh god they're at every single comic-con every one add a little bit later on the next episode but yeah I have not never been to a comic-con where there was not a site it was it's not a Scientology table it's not a Dianetics table curious it's an L Ron

Hubbard table is the author man that's how you single it out he has a full he still has a massive page on Amazon render wow massive page on Amazon if you look at all of his books it's crazy just it's how they they pot they don't say Scientology really it's all like incredible sci-fi genius L Ron Hubbard render also directed Scientologists to purchase full volumes of Scientology materials and donate them to public libraries in a bid to spread the bullshit across America which is by the way something Scientologists still do to this day not the church of course the church doesn't pay for these books the

Scientologists themselves buy the books using their own money and then they donate those books that's how you know they're loyal I mean there has been a real uptick in people with mental instability borderline homeless getting into Scientology because they're the only ones at public libraries now they're also doing a thing where they're going to in their words third-world countries because one thing to see or does is offer free room and board so that's a new thing is like we'll offer you will chip you in which is what David and Scavige is getting you in yeah we ship you in ship you and then you stay in a

bunch of like hustles where you're forced to do slave labor that's so fun I mean you get five dollars a week so wow they're just doing that again oh yeah there's more slaves in the world today than there was back in the day mm-hmm that's it would it be because there are like millions of times more people than there were back in the day buddy we'll talk about it later now render was successful in increasing sales of Elron Hubbard's fiction through a simple campaign of awareness many people got curious oh no curious but after all that render finally discovered that Nobel Prizes are not awarded

finally now I get to make my case and like we don't do that this no Mike render is a because he also says their periods of time of his life that were completely just he doesn't even remember because he was so exhausted like he was literally so sleep deprived right he was like yeah it's really wild it's like he's like I should have done that first like you look like defeat you don't give these to dead guys huh our guy is dead but now you have to go tell your exacting boss that you couldn't do the impossible thing that he sent you to do and then Miss cabbage gave him an even more impossible thing to do he said you go

and you change the criteria that they use to give Nobel Prizes so don't it's not the Guinness World Book of World Records we're changing the Mickalow records yes 1988 as a part of this whole public image push Scientology was trying whatever it could to get its name out there and someone decided that a solid avenue for new Scientologists would be the world of race cars I could see it I can really see this like this like the high-end like the indie cars yeah there's not like a lot of oversight those ads right can anybody buy a net can't we sponsor a race car of course we could we could get an ass car

or f1 but it's like it's a cruiser right slow it's like why are we why are we rushing yeah you want a slow car yeah yeah like a town car that's the thing is that we'll get pressed because we'll be the slowest car on the track that's the idea I mean we don't need your dumb awards we just like to dry 35 the whole time okay fine I like it well in 1988 at the GTE world challenge race in Tampa Scientology sponsored a Porsche that had emblazoned on its side larger than any other logo a Dianetics decal yeah it's kind of a cool decal to be fair and driving the car was one of the most famous race car drivers of all time

Marty genetic Mario and ready yeah Mario Marty genetic was a wrestler yes Mario and ready yeah yeah you were I knew what you meant and you technically got it right so you got it right in your mind I did but the thing is is that Mario and ready didn't actually know that he was driving a Scientology car until he showed up and I was driving a yamaha damn I am on fire today so right every time yeah now Scientology figured that he wouldn't care one way or another but they didn't count on the fact that Mario and ready is an extremely devout Catholic no way an Italian race car driver is a Catholic I

don't believe it someone who dies at work he refused to drive the car because he sincerely believed that the Pope would ex-communicate him if he drove a car advertising another religion he might get ex-communicated I feel like I do love but I do love about this is Catholics are like you cute cult you cute little guy a fucking pope in a country yeah so as a compromise they removed the Dianetics logo and put it on a lesser car owned by the same racing company driven by a guy who could give less of a shit yeah it was not Mario and dread yeah he was just like yeah I'll fucking drive it I beat my wife every

night no I give a shit no he wouldn't do that to replace the decal they instead advertised bridge publications which was the company that put out Dianetics okay and in the end andretti finished six his heart wasn't in a no then Scientology continued sponsoring race cars for years with less discerning drivers okay the best was that the indie cars that they had cuz you know the indie cars have the big spoilers on the back yeah they just printed just the word Dianetics I just want one that's just it should be old LRH themed we have his face painted on the arms painted on the side oh man you know it is but painted on the back

like it's him as a car no but you know you paint a van and you put that in the race that's awesome yeah that's fun also I believe that's what your doctors told you to get on a Dianetics it's a diuretic and I'm already feeling it are you now you gotta be now Miss cabbage seemed to hold on to the fiction that L Ron Hubbard would one day either be reincarnated or he would simply show up back on earth at any time and LRH did himself set somewhat of a timeline for this I have a question truly and I don't know if it's answerable again so just say no if you don't know what do you mean I was trying before do you think

David Miss cabbage believes that I see a true believer in that sense do you think he believes tangible in a tangible L Ron Hubbard coming back do you know how some people are agnostic about God because they don't want to be wrong right like any it's more about I don't want to be wrong I don't know what if there is a God and I show up and he's like gotcha bitch like I don't know right we're like David backdoor to seven three right here mr. Zabrowski what was that David Miss cabbage I think did all of this because he thought that it might happen because of all of the dudes that were close to it cuz yeah I keep

bringing it up because it was it was an interesting talk but but render talked about how there was probably at this point in time there's maybe been 75 people that have directly been involved with LRH right that have actually been to the heart of Scientology and touched it and David Miss cabbage is one of those guys but David Miss cabbage like I think was held under sway still of LRH in all of him in a way like yeah just more afraid well I think it's a very convenient belief as well because he always has the fallback of like well this is what LRH is gonna want yeah do you want it do you want LRH to come back

and do you want him to see what a bad job you've done and do you want to see you want him to see your goofs you want to see what kind of goofer you've grown okay so both convenience and then also if he doesn't believe that maybe in his mind he's a total fraud hmm but if he does believe it I guess in his mind he's not a fraud I don't think he cares whether I don't think he gives a little attention okay well from what Scientologists deciphered from Hubbard's rambling lectures he was supposed to return to earth 21 years after his death but unless they've been keeping him in isolation with Shelley Miss cabbage since

2007 I don't think he's coming back well he's not up to snuff now because he actually he hasn't been doing the proper auditing so yes he is actually at the RPF right now scrubbing the floors he actually didn't really cover it actually I'm really curious because the 21-year clock that he started because that's what he once he went through all of his writings because LRH the time you remember he said the sea org and it has the motto come back because what he said is that okay I got you for a billion years but when you decide I got you signed a billion right your sea org we got your butt right the thing is so what

he does is like okay you dropped your body what do I do now guess what you get 21 years off right so as a ghost you can go do whatever you want for 21 years you go to Saturn you go to Venus what you want you go to you go in go into the side of the porter potty at a bomber you can do whatever you want but I think I walk into the porter potty with a spork I'm not disgusting I use utensils I don't want to keep my hand but LRH then says so for after those 21 years you're back at work we got to get you back in in step so 21 years of reprieve and non-stop fun almost like what they do with the Amish community yes spring you have a

little room spring up but then he so now David was kind of still that that might actually be real and so that began like in a 21 year like plan of like what are we gonna do how we get this all in shape for when LRH shows back up okay well regardless miskovich used Hubbard's impending return for years as an excuse to keep his foot on the gas as I said a convenient belief see according to Hubbard one of the biggest metrics for Scientology success was book sales so under the guise of this is what LRH's reincarnated form is gonna want upon his return miskovich continued printing new editions of the Scientology backlog then

he ordered all Scientologists to purchase every new edition like a college professor he uses his own book for his course learned that the way to make extra money within Scientology is to make me give you me back the money I've just given you now by the early 90s Scientology was starting to get a bad enough wrap with the inevitable journalistic investigations began in 1991 Time magazine published an article that detailed just how destructive Scientology had been to many people a Scientology had been somewhat prepared for this having already hired a PR firm named Hill and Nolton in anticipation

of the inevitable hip pieces but the Time magazine article was so damning that the PR firm dropped Scientology rather than defend them okay which is kind of hard because you're my crisis management team yeah I mean a bit of a crisis didn't I pay you money to handle this and they're like I almost think that's kind of fraudulent on the PR team to be honest because they were paid I would assume up to that point it was just so toxic it just it's a cult some point you're like yeah but what did they think they were gonna be a what did they think they were PR for I think at first we'll get at first maybe you think like

maybe they're okay they're just kind of people sign up for it they're volunteer to join Scientology you think they're kind of quirky they're kind of cooking at this point nobody knows anything about Scientology yeah like there's no huge expose you might get a couple of articles and like local papers but there's no nationalist exposes there's no national coverage at all so you're thinking like okay are you a religion kind of and that's the other thing too is that I'm sure that whoever went in to talk to these PR people sold them an entirely different version of what Scientology was oh yeah and even if

he candle the cold because now you're looking at David Miscavige he's like we are simply a misunderstood religion yeah right and even we're up in the coming and people want to come for us because we have the truth and they're afraid we're gonna shock and destabilize the entire world and they go and they're like okay and then they get the time magazine article at the same time as everybody else does and they're like oh no what have we done yeah right now this article called Scientology the thriving cult of greed and power it revealed that the church had netted five hundred million dollars in 1987 alone wow and those

hundreds of millions were kept in secret accounts all over the world this was also the first time anyone had publicly talked about the blackmail Scientology held over John Travolta concerning his sexual orientation poor man I feel bad I don't really bad I mean we went we talked about it on page seven for many many years I'm very sympathetic for John Trav except for the let the Sun die but well I mean that's a whole thing that's a whole thing you know and that's his right as a father it also speaks very much to his intelligence and his naivete yes yeah but not coincidentally and very sadly John Travolta after this

article came out he announced his engagement to Kelly Preston like two weeks later oh we just went that road lovely and if you're gonna be she was hot and stuff well doesn't matter to him well he does have a way to work it he got it in there enough I just read that he had his wife you don't know that do you think he was all I've seen it I've seen it because the thing is now like because you could do the thing where you just come on a chair and she sits in it oh you can't do that that's a big joke about weak sperm is it true yeah it's kind of funny as he says you look like you're weak sperm looks like your dad

came on a seat and your mom said yeah wow it's all been done best best part of your best part of you yeah this article also detailed the campaign of and this is my new favorite phrase vexatious litigation yeah that prevented publishers from releasing critical articles about Scientology because he learned the first one he learns that you just keep them in court and you drain them over time you just thought you hit them with lawsuits to finally everyone's like you know what I'm sick even fucking dealing with these people will shut up yeah if you got 500 million dollars a year that's where you're gonna spend it

and additionally they also detailed the tactic of using private eyes to stop critics they frame people for crimes they beat them up they issue death threats they had their own little private army it's kind of fun to be a PI like that that's gotta be kind of cool that's a crooked PR it's not right the author of this article also quoted a member of the cult awareness network saying that Scientology is the most ruthless classically terroristic and lucrative cult America had ever seen big takedown yep but in response Scientology began a years-long attack against the cult awareness network they were bankrupted

in 1996 Scientology bought the organization and they rebranded it as a pro-Scientology front which it still is I mean that's a great day when you buy your competition or buy the entity that makes funny you know I I fantasize you not only buy it it's like you buy it you kill it you rip off its face and your face on that's I got a couple you have sex with it yeah whoa now after the article was released Miss Kavitch declared war on Time magazine oh he publicly said that the Time editors and the writers were SP's trying to destroy mankind's only hope

for salvation ie Scientology he wasn't wrong I am pretty fucking annoyed with Time magazine when they made us person of the year and they just put a shitty ass mirror I know you pay you bring it up once a month and honestly as a magazine it has gone downhill yeah looking on their dot-com not a lot of content there that matters not really so they did there they did their damage didn't they yeah I think time was 30 years ago I remember 1997 it was yesterday yeah well the church then spent three million dollars in a media blitz that included a three-month-long full-page ad by and USA today they also

had a beef with the man of the year wow who was the man of the year in 1938 Time magazine called Hitler the man of the year see that was there and eternal endless gripe wow and I can't even believe it because everyone knows it's person of the year true thank you wow but additionally Scientology got USA today to write a story called and this is the most Scientology title I've ever fucking heard the story that time couldn't tell who really controls the news at time and why that's a lot I don't even know what they're talking about like are we talking about the magazine are we just talking about the ethereal

nature of time they use time twice they did it's the story that time couldn't tell but also that's a pun because time tells time what does that was a pun I'm dying I'm dying this story time could turn no my god I'm falling apart time tells me we're going to die but time tells the cup but that's a thing is that time is that the clock is telling the time but the maps on territory that's actually we try to slide to use the maps of the territory yes because sometimes it's like yes sure it's 645 right but what I'm what is it really I'm having time with my family yeah exactly time and time can't tell that time can't tell that

time's just numbers time is just something they bring up in court to try to put you at a scene of a crime always true and they're always cell phone towers and I don't even I've never even seen one no no no leave your cell phone at home if you're gonna kill your family yeah that's actually really important always unless leaving your phone at home ties you to the crime yeah that's why leave your phone at your least favorite friend's house don't kill your family true whatever we go okay the main thrust of our fucking whoa that's well that's well well the main thrust of the story that time couldn't tell who really

controls the news at time and why it was that time was in the pocket of pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly makers of pros the only time they have been because like they had balls David Miscavige thought he could take on the pharmaceutical industry on the whole like he thought that will will do it well I mean that's the thing is that the pharmaceutical industry just ignores Scientology there they're strong enough where they can just fucking flick them away like a fly on a ride they did not care very powerful but you had a little barking fucking shitsu and then even David Miscavige coming at you all day

long yeah I mean Scientology is of course anti-psychiatry that's sort of the point of the whole fucking thing yeah but there are some barbs in there with the you know the Sanger family and I think that could be an in for some people though be like I lost my child's opioids and then it's like curious you're like I am the actually the latest issue of the Scientology magazine freedom the issue that is out right now the front page the front cover is all about opioids yeah I mean if that's exact and there this is the universal yeah that's a universal like people are like that wasn't good and it's not good you're

right and they were correct yeah well the thing is about Scientology is that they had made multiple media appearances attacking Mulai Lilly by saying that Prozac caused suicide and mass murder eventually Scientology would blame everything from Columbine to 9-11 to the Holocaust on psychiatry and psychiatric drugs these claims are fully displayed at Scientology's Sunset Boulevard exhibit called psychiatry an industry of death yeah I'm actually just gonna say Hitler could he used a little therapy just a scotch a little bit of a ketamine treatment where it's like I know that they didn't read I don't know

they didn't like your paintings I want them to relax you need to relax we went to the psychiatry Museum of Death yeah I remember yeah it's what it's called no it's psychiatry an industry of death actually pretty close to the Museum of Death here in LA it's very very similar it's a lot slicker it's very very slick yeah and then we put all your personal information into the to the member directory because they kept insisting to us right like go in the logbook so we wrote Benjamin Kissel's 656 Metropolitan Avenue from back to the next I guarantee you it's there's Scientology materials are still arriving at 656

Metropolitan that's just that's great thank you so much wow and the Psychiatry Museum it's fun to peruse but it's it's dangerous I mean when we were there behind us were three kids three teenage girls that were all obviously raised in Scientology and they were looking around this place like they were visiting Auschwitz yeah they're very scared terrified so it's like a field trip and educated like it was true to that yes and that's my and that's also my frienders baby he made that whole place yeah well psychiatry an industry of death is owned and operated in perpetuity by a Scientology front

called the Citizens Commission on Human Rights it was open by a former psychiatrist hilariously named Tommy Zazz yeah mr. Zazz you call me Dr. Zazz I didn't go to 19 years of funny doctor school to be called mr. Zazz but I was like he's a goof or to me his name is Thomas Zazz Toma for it is Toma for Zazz we were joking last night because we were watching Battlefield Earth and Barry Pepper is in it and Natalie's like of course Barry Pepper didn't make it he's fucking his name is Pepper he's a very bearer it was like he changed it from Barry Pepperoni because he knew he had an agent that was like I don't know

who's gonna hire the pepperoni very pepperoni no I'm not very pepperoni I like Barry Pepper though I think so best bug guys this side of Jake Busey but I'm pretty sure Battlefield Earth destroyed his career Barry Pepper you know he was in fucking save him Private Ryan he was a fucking sniper well you fucking I guess he was able to use his big eyes for that Barry Pepper yeah oh my yes Canadian okay gotcha but concerning Scientology's beef with Eli Lilly they said that the drugmaker had pressured their PR firm to drop them as a client because what other reason could there be for a reputable company to long no

longer be associated with Scientology I don't know yeah but you know of course after Scientology sued the PR firm you were correct and saying that they had cause they settled out of court they also sued Time Magazine bought Time Magazine they had much deeper pockets back then they do now they won the case yep now to massage Scientology's public image after the time article David Miscavige agreed to appear on Nightline with Ted Koppel in his first ever and his last public interview you should watch it Kissel you would be it's very very interesting you want to do a Ted Koppel off who can do the best at Koppel

I'm Ted Koppel huh welcome to Nightline I'm Ted Koppel hi welcome we have here the illustrious leader of the sugar Sonsology David Miscavige I'm Ted Koppel I'm Ted Koppel welcome to Nightline wait a second Lorne's calling now in this interview Miscavige definitely went with Alron Hubbard's always-attack-never-defense strategy even though David Miscavige does look significantly smaller than Ted Koppel even though Ted Koppel is only an inch taller than David Miscavige I'm saying it does prove your point from last episode very compact David Miscavige is five foot three of pure sinewy muscle you're

right but he's Wolverine he has very little shoulders yeah that's what that's what keeps me from being big hmm is smaller sloping shoulders my bigger shoulders I look like a bigger guy because my middle is wide yeah yeah if you were completely constructed differently if I was bigger I'd be bigger but then why don't I look bigger because my shoulders are very broad yes that is true the Brits have large rib cage well I actually viewed is more long more long than large long British rib cage that's a problem okay that's what I'd say about what your problems are that's what I'd say that's that's one

of them there so nightline they showed a brief segment before the interview detailing Scientology's many crimes against former members but Miscavige said that all these claims came from the cult awareness network yeah and he said the cult awareness network can go fuck itself he didn't say that on nightline he said on nightline that the cult awareness network was to Scientology what the KKK was to in his words the blacks oh he also kept referring to anytime we refer to a woman he referred to them as a girl and because we know because we he made that statement when he was 19 when they were auditing him

and he went to one of the his instructors and he's like who lets all these fucking broads audit people like he was very misogynist but then did Ted Koppel be like you're in a woman and it rattled the fuck out of him because that's the thing is that he knew that Ted Koppel had a point to correct him on because he couldn't argue with no I call them girls so he had to he had to say yes to something and then once he did that couple fucking had him by the throat wow put him on the defensive is this a couple get it was is a huge no it's you got coupled it's it's an hour long it's a great fucking

interview he showed up thinking was only supposed to be half the segment yeah Ted Koppel was very good because he feels like now he's no we want to make sure everybody hears everything you have to say so not only are we gonna like we're gonna air all your segments and the stuff you gave us we're giving you a full hour mm-hmm but that pissed David Miss Kavich off because he thought that if they had a full he thought that they were setting them up which they were of course and so in order to kind of I guess bargain David Miss Kavich demanded to see the 15-minute introductory piece detailing the accusations before he went

on air and that's never done but when the producer stood his ground and said no you can't do that we don't do that Miss Kavich grabbed him by the shirt collar pushed him against the wall and said quote you lie you're trying to fuck me over you handle this oh we are all walking out yeah you know to some degree that is got your journalism and you should have everyone should have the same amount of information going in so I don't disagree with they should have showed him he's an abusive cult leader no I didn't show him if you showed him the stuff he never would have showed up yeah you're just trying to get him in

the room they know all these things you got you got to get in the room and get him on camera yeah it's not like they're trying to fucking get Mr. Rogers here like this is an evil evil man yeah no we don't know about Mr. Rogers he was fantastic there's no crimes absolutely zero I know he's the only one ever got clean it really is really done well Mike Rinder said that this was the first time that he ever saw Miss Kavich physically manhandle a non-scientologist but it worked and the producer showed Miss Kavich the pre-interview piece so he could prepare answers thing is though in the end didn't fucking matter at all he

prepped for weeks yeah and he still was just just so he would like they would be like ask me a question like a Ted cup and the guy would go like so yeah you would do the thing and he's like that's not what fucking Ted would say and he would berate all of them right and she just was bad at it you know you don't have to prep for weeks if you're not a fucking liar that's the nice thing is if you just tell the truth you can only maybe prep for like an hour yeah right it's something to get out of the way on the way to the grocery store absolutely you don't get some stats right to prove your points that's all you need now the

thing about the interview is that David Miss Kavich does not come off well no he looks crazed Ted couple rattles him multiple times as I said and he asthmatically wheezes through the entire interview even though he claimed in the interview that Scientology cured his asthma he's it's very interesting because if you look at the difference between other Scientologists on camera and David Miss Kavich on camera same thing with LRH they both suffer from real sweaty in an environment where they are not in total domination right and David Miss Kavich is actually not a great public speaker when he's not in charge

interesting you're watching him it's like because interesting especially for Scientologists because he's tripping over words oh yeah saying wrong things he says like yeah looks real unsure real unsteady and that's the interesting thing about his bad performance because Scientologists they're usually slippery little sphinxes when it comes to defending the religion at interviews there's nary a high-ranking Scientologist under Miss Kavich whose goat gets got by a reporter yeah have you seen Mike Render on camera no he's terrifying yeah yes I actually have seen the hollow-eyed like that face like a

granite slab like it's exactly what you like there's something about it it's intimidating it's it's again non-reactionary and it's also the bulldog look like it's that straight up that like they have that sort of look where you think any moment they could snap and rip my throat out yeah fun now the reason behind this discrepancy is simple ironically David Miss Kavich has probably never actually gone through the Scientology training that everyone else had he was the ultimate boy yeah clear yeah yeah he's been he was declared clear at the age of 15 right been in charge since he was 27 he's

probably never been bull baited or screamed at to the extent everyone else has it is ironic because he is the leader of a cult and he has never actually done the training for the cult it's really interesting because he also like he didn't get trained right because he was telling people that they were wrong during the time period when they were trying to there's a little opposition to Miss Kavich taking over and there was one guy that was like he's there is a potential trouble source here we think that he's got some over certain withholds before he takes over everything someone needs to make sure to re-clear him

because they do re-clear all the time do a re-clear and David Miss Kavich was just like no yeah I won't I won't do it and they were like no one ever said no I guess we can't do it yeah just like the power of his literally been like no I won't yeah I don't I don't need to I feel clear well that's why he got coupled and he also I believe I mean what I believe he probably did is when people were trying to re-clear him I'm sure he gave some veiled threats or not so veiled threats of you just wait would see what happens when I get in charge oh yeah the ride into the wall but oh yeah man and that's the thing is that

Miss Kavich not doing the training I think it's also why L Ron Hubbard was also awful at interviews he was bad at it LRH was not that one 45 minute because he also only has one public interview and he's just not you see the twinkle but he hasn't gotten it I'm not getting it from me he knows the tech but he hasn't done the training but that's the thing is that it's also why both of them were and are highly successful cult leaders as we've said before you got to be somewhat outside the sphere of belief right you truly want to lead the cult and David Miss Kavich is the ultimate insiders outsider when it comes to

Scientology there you go for example in an effort to rewrite history when it comes to Scientological perception of the Ted Coppel interview David Miss Kavich simply declared that it was the greatest interview ever done on the subject of Scientology if only I knew anyone else that uses this technique mm-hmm additionally when Ted Coppel was awarded an Emmy for ripping Miss Kavich to shreds Miss Kavich said that Coppel won because Miss Kavich was so good not calm remember when I did that remember I was when I was the best interview ever I'll just face it yeah I'm a great get yeah I got passed he's bringing me to

the couch next time mm-hmm well some people some people said that he kept it in his office other sources said that he kept it in the lounge so everyone could see everyone could see this big Emmy yes it's an Emmy it's E-M-M-I-E it's a special Emmy that is like it's like Craig E. Lo being like yeah I'm the reason Michael Jordan hit that shot over me without me playing bad defense Michael Jordan would even be Michael Jordan set him up for that picture cuz I saw the photographer me like this is gonna be a good one yeah now around the time that Mike Render saw Miss Kavich assault a non-scientologist for the first time that would be the

producer Render began falling out of David's favor because he hadn't clapped hard enough at the announcement of a new edition of the what is Scientology Encyclopedia even she's just a little more loser Kim Jong-un yes just well Render was he was kind of having a bit of a moment himself because he wasn't clapping was because Miss Kavich is told had told Mike that he was the one who was gonna roll out the what is Scientology Encyclopedia but at the last moment Miss Kavich had Mike's brother roll out the Encyclopedia so Mike was over there pouting yeah because he didn't stand yeah he didn't stand he

didn't clap and so he went to RPF oh first they sent him out there cleaning up the bowels of the free winds and an echo of the mudbox brigade get days but after just a few days on the boat Render was sent to live in isolation at the int base also known as gold base oh that sounds fun it's really fun for Tom Cruz now the gold base is where the real dirty work of Scientology is done where David Miss Kavich lived for many years and where the most elite members of Sea Org live and work located 85 miles north of Los Angeles gold base is a heavily guarded compound surrounded by imposing bladed fences that keep

people both in and out they actually telling because it has it's the the spikes at the top are pointed inwards and not outwards no they're pointed both inwards and outwards and when they actually as someone did actually ask them like so why are they also pointed inwards and their answer was they came that way that's the way they were they were delivered that way we said to the guy oh this seems frightening and yeah you oh it must be a mix up at the factory but these are yours seems like you're pretty compulsively in control about everything but they just came that way well gold base also has motion sensors

around the perimeter they have patrols cameras and gold base is where they have the palm tree that people pay $5,000 to run around cool and it's cool this is also where Tom Cruise goes to get audited actually one time Mike Render got beat by David Miss Kavich because he Mike Render sent Tom Cruise to Clearwater to get out of that's not enough for time I would never want to go to Clearwater no you know that's a thing he's got to fly into the Tampa Airport then he's got to drive 30 minutes just to get the flight base hate that fucking trams awful why don't you just walk I fucking a hundred yards I don't

know we just don't know do we additionally gold base is also the location of a ten million dollar mansion built for L Ron Hubbard that's a thing it's built for LRH okay so no one lives in it well that's the thing LRH never lived there nor does anyone live in the mansion now great it is meticulously maintained there's even clothing set out for L Ron Hubbard in the sudden event of his return or reincarnation well technically David Miss Kavich did live there for a period of time but now that he's kind of permanently on the run and probably will be so for a long time

the rest of his life but one of the options of it is a fully customized mansion that has every single bit of it you could see a picture here of the this is I'll show you Marcus this is David Miss Kavich's motorcycles flanked by him and Tom Cruise's matching motorcycles together I can't wait for next week we're gonna get into their relationship these are the punishment chairs that he installed outside of his office these two steel folding chairs that are built into the wall that are supposed to so you know that you're in trouble when you're sitting in them all it's all custom lighting all this kind of shit

there he has a $20,000 desk made out of steel and leather steel and leather more cozy than steel and leather in the summer cold in the winter gold base is also where some of the harshest punishments one receives in Scientology occur and during the 90s those punishments often occurred at the direct hand of David Miss Kavich for example after Mike Render spent a few weeks at gold base doing menial duties someone arrived with written orders telling Render to report to the upper villas which is the codename for David Miss Kavich's offices now Render wasn't a fan of the upper villas the last time

he'd been there Render had been merely standing outside a meeting when Miss Kavich burst through a screen door wearing only a terry cloth bathrobe without saying a word he grabbed Render's neck slapped him punched him and threw him against a tree yeah that's real power I guess somebody else while you're naked is very a strong move yeah bathrobes have had a very bad bad couple of years and I'm just gonna say this it's not the bath robes fault no no no people that wear them are very but Harvey Weinstein you know every story has a bad every bathrobe bathrobe bathrobe yeah you know what that's the

thing is that I didn't know but I knew that that's weird is it like I actually feel it's more intimidating to be in a bathroom than to just be naked I feel if you're just naked I mean obviously I actually think the bathrobe is too protective because if you're naked you can pump you got a chance to really scrape them up I actually think that the bathrobe is a disadvantage because it gives the person a lot more to grab on like a key down to the floor I come out naked in so soaked up right because that's what you do too you got a soap and then you got the soap that you've covered yourself in in two socks you're

swinging those around right you're all of a sudden your prison tornado there you go prison tornado Henry Zabrowski absolutely until it's locked down you have to go to bed and your roommate is David Miscavige and then he beats living shit out of you I'm afraid that would be scary dude because he would fit well in prison yeah miscavige at 5 3 oh yeah he's perfect for prison yeah you can't wait no well covered in mud with a bleeding lip render was led to the gold base officers lounge by David Miscavige again he poured him a glass of scotch said this is gonna make you feel better then he just turned around and

walked away that was his little thing he liked to smooth over he used to do this thing he beat the shit out of you and then act like it didn't happen and then again it's all abusive this is just if we just remind like something just choke this little guy out I do I know strong I know I mean you could still five foot three you can choke him out you can you can kill him I don't know man you can kill a Marcus I guarantee you would beat up him oh yeah goon yes he doesn't go he's not doing this by himself no I know but we got goons next to him that are there to jump as Marcus you're surprisingly strong your ranch you can you can pick

up a pig I can pick up a pig you can pick up David Miscavige you can pick him up and break him I don't know I don't know if I don't think so man you're giving him too much power I'm just saying reaction could you pick up a bowling ball and break it with your bare hands no okay bowl but I would ruin the entire night I would pay legit money to watch you physically fight David Miscavige no I think it would be good train if you put David Miscavige against like Kane oh I mean it's all right it's an incredible he's jumping off the ropes he loves to fly and he's still 110 pounds but he's

too small to grab though yes they're gonna run you're really big small swollen ankles yeah even get down and get them like catching a mouse it's your bare hands it's gonna be tough I know hard little mouse mm-hmm but while physical violence came at the hands of David Miscavige often it was constantly rationalized by senior staff as necessary in their view the person on the receiving end must have done something terribly wrong to make David so angry because Scientology is built on the principle that everything bad that happens to you is your fault and your fault alone you pull it in mm-hmm now

although Scientology eventually came to be seen as an unstoppable and terrifying monolith it was almost felled in 1993 that year a tax bill of one billion dollars came due because Hubbard had decided in 1973 that if the church wasn't gonna be granted tax exempt status it was just gonna stop paying taxes I tell you it does work for a while for a bit but they asked for the money come with the money you didn't pay taxes because you didn't realize you were gonna get a refund well I just couldn't figure out how to do that yeah when we were too stupid not to pay taxes technically we could have gotten money back but then

the bill for those taxes showed up the moment I received the real paycheck you also found awfully quiet here it's like they're watching what don't I'm good now I'm up we're current we're all current all three of us I'm clear well at the time Scientology only had a hundred and twenty five million dollars in the reserves I only comparatively yeah one billion dollars what happened all the money I mean it's a lot of pilfered and you're spreading all over the world there's a lot of stuff going on and then he also became upset he became really obsessed with live shows and putting you really raviganed yes these

big every year like Ron Miss cabbage talks about in the book about how like eventually like they were doing so many special events and they were a nightmare because he would just he'd have to be in control of every single thing but videos had to be shot music had to be recorded to be written all this kind of stuff and he was just dumping money well since Scientology owed a billion dollars to the IRS and they only had a hundred and twenty five million in their coffers right miss cabbage escalated the war against the IRS for the final time now miss cabbage's strategy for taking on the IRS was fairly boilerplate when it

came to litigation especially corporate litigation he continued bombarding them with lawsuits from Scientology proper but he also got individual Scientologists to bring 2300 more suits against the IRS okay miss cabbage also ran ads using images of John Wayne and Willie Nelson to remind the public that the IRS attacked beloved icons on the regular better leave Willie alone John Wayne who cares John Wayne was a Nazi yeah my grandfather Herbert hated John Wayne because he said he's just an actor he was in a cowboy your grandfather was a cowboy had no but that's why he didn't like John Wayne because he's just an

actor he was a fraud he was a phony well he was just an actor he always was an actor you never should have thought he was a real cowboy yeah no he didn't think he was a real cowboy he just thought he was a fraud you know what he was the first actor he's an actor his rod well in addition to that Scientology also ran ads offering huge rewards for IRS whistleblowers but what went over the line was when Scientology hired private investigators to dig up dirt on IRS employees this information was used to launch a magazine still going today called freedom freedom yeah that's the one that I talked about earlier that had

the opioid cover and of course the IRS investigator was Irwin R. Scheister IRS IRS you get it he was a heel and that's the thing is that freedom those early issues they were filled with salacious stories about IRS agents drinking and fucking like it's not the external revenue service okay it's the internal if you know what I mean let's get up in there yeah well after they printed these magazines filled with salacious stories about the IRS they then handed out the magazines in front of the IRS the IRS is like why do we have all these new recruits they said that they want to come and have a good time

they say they're here for the eternal party what additionally Scientology changed their logo to make it look more like a religion you notice how Scientology has that cross yeah they change they added this in the early 90s to help them get tax exempt status could there's nothing about crosses or Christianity anywhere in Scientology nothing and the cross if you'll notice is much more prominent in Scientology centers in the Bible belt it's very smart yeah the Nashville the one in Tennessee like the one in Nashville you kind of like oh that's an S yeah the one in Nashville is huge the

one in Indianapolis is fucking gigantic I've seen a surprising amount of Scientology centers during our travels around America absolutely they're everywhere every city they did a good job in that way I suppose so but it did help people to think of Scientology as a religion and some religious scholars began publicly comparing them to Buddhists or Catholics in increasingly strained ways because they had to they had to and when it came and that's the other thing too is that like if you're you know a religious scholar you're getting asked to be on TV yes Jesus was gay was a pedophile yes it's in the

writing do the reading huh but when it came to the private fight though Miss Kavich personally and allegedly extorted a top government official in a meeting with the IRS commissioner Miss Kavich allegedly said that all the lawsuits would stop and the fuck stories and freedom magazine they'd all go away all go away if and only if Scientology got tax exempt status but it's so hard to tell the government you're not gonna give them money anymore they get they get salty they get sad and really the IRS did try holding out despite the fact that their funding was being rapidly drained and trying to defend all those

lawsuits and they might have made it if not for the massive government fuck-up involving the branch Davidians at Waco yeah it changed the entire game yeah we got Ruby we got the Ruby Ridge and then Waco and then the FBI and see I well I guess FBI was just like let's not yep yeah well it wasn't really about you know root because Ruby Ridge was more about you know get off of my lawn you know sort of like government over each type shit Waco the reason why Waco was important was because it was a religious movement that's the idea it's a fringe religion that US government came down and killed a bunch of people right 76

people it was the ATF and the FBI oh yeah those two yeah that happened 1993 Janet right yeah Janet Reno of course and this is right in the middle of the Scientology fight and it became very and it became a very bad look for the government to be at odds with any fringe religious movement bad PR additionally Bill Clinton he had a roommate in college who was a Scientologist and according to Bill Clinton that guy was pretty all right it was pretty all right I feel that maybe these times all they may not be as dangerous as one thanks because I'll tell you what tell you what he gave me the dictionary I

needed in order to impress Hillary right oh and allow me to press my body on hers yeah how long you want keep us going you want can you say the sentence everyone does Darrell Hammond everybody an impression of an impressionist I'm gonna buy 30 rock I'm gonna buy a gym buy a wrecking crew I'm gonna knock it down I'm gonna rebuild it as Henry Zabrowski's reeducation son when order to just get Scientology out of the federal government's hair the IRS granted them tax exempt status in 1994 wow the war is over yeah seriously that's a big fucking win billion dollar win yeah he announced their victory at a gathering in

Los Angeles in which 10,000 Scientologists attended standing on a ridiculously large stage in a tiny little tuxedo he probably shops at that five-foot and a five-foot eight and under a store that is also really sure to that close down I hope not yeah it came up short and the budget this year has his clothes made custom yeah it's like when you see a squirrel a little suit on jet the original technically David miscavages the original boss baby yeah same size well in this gathering he declared that the 30-year-long battle for to tax exempt status was over set up fireworks on the

fucking streamers came down it was and then he continued talking for another two hours whoa well okay we celebrated but now we have to sit here and listen very much it is a three-hour long presentation he spends an hour on a PowerPoint presentation telling everyone preparing everyone for the moment talking about every single thing that they'd done leading up to that moment he said the war is over the fireworks go off and then it's two more hours of PowerPoint they must have felt like the South Park boys taking acid at the Oscars now we would play a clip of that if Scientology wasn't so gung-ho about

keeping it off the internet but the reason why we don't have a lot to fear from Scientology other than that is because of the very medium on which this podcast is being distributed yep we are on the internet the true free winds of thought the internet demonetized so fast so fast wow we got kicked off twitch in 13 minutes but the internet has been more than anything Scientology's biggest Achilles heel oh yeah because David Miss cabbage discovered through Mike Rinder that all of the secret teachings of the OTs were immediately leaked oh my god internet and then his job became David Miss

cabbage been like you're gonna eliminate all traces of our work off the internet have fun yeah and it was very difficult that is one of the ultimate ironies here as well a tech-based cult didn't you're didn't predict the internet was gonna have all information and knowledge well in that you're misunderstanding the usage of the word tech yeah because they make believe tech yeah because that's the thing when they say tech they're talking about yeah these ethereal actors they're talking about techniques not technology right LRA's called the technology because it was fun for him to say that

yeah sure yeah but that's the thing is that the fucking OT levels they went on the internet in 1994 wow very very early on dial-up yeah yeah this is the you know yeah the Z news story the galactic overlord shit the atomic bombs all of that they were released to the internet to great ridicule and this was when the internet was mostly sci-fi nerds wow the release of this material shook the faith of some Scientologist at OT three and above because Hubbard had always been explicit in the claim that people could become ill or even die if they weren't properly prepared to learn about Z new the wall of fire

additionally Scientologist working their way towards OT three were also shaken because you know what the fuck holy fucking shit that's it yeah that's what we're doing here yeah wow this of course set off a never-ending string of lawsuits like against the internet yes which if everybody they could get a handle on yeah the only person to beat the internet was Hulk Hogan and that's because of Peter Thiel yeah and that of course prompted an even stronger response from the internet every time Scientology came at him the internet came back fucking harder because every time there were more people on the internet

Mike Render called it a game of whack-a-mole from hell yeah yeah yeah that makes sense and eventually Scientology they got the they gained the ire they drew the attention of 4chan oh yeah because if you'll remember the first target of the hacker collective anonymous was Scientology oh yeah help me and my buddy McFerrin we actually went out to some fucking 4chan Scientology protests I remember that yeah we went out there like oh there are all these guys and like Guy Fox yeah yeah the guy Fox max by the way you can buy in the toy section a target now I know they figured out again fold it in

fold it in but all that is to say that Scientology can never come even close to purging the internet of Scientology material or negative Scientology press and the more they try the harder it gets and the worse they look so when they saw that the rise of the internet directly correlated to a fall in membership Scientologists began isolating themselves even further well that's now we're just gonna play to the crowd that'll have us yeah we're gonna try to end because other people can't handle it so now we're just gonna keep it to the people that are already here yeah keep them here and make them have children so

there are more people there I mean it's interesting because it's against their one of their paramount principles they should have more internet they should have more.com's they should have flood them they should have flooded the internet they actually do if you look at Scientology.org it's very thick of course there's so many other front webs they have so many fronts well that's why that's why it's so difficult to research the subject and get into it is because there's so many avenues of information and you also you don't know what's real and what's not real right there's stuff that's flooded and then

you know I go a lot of the like you go to was it like pages like various like bulletin pages and that kind of stuff where you have people talking about it openly forums like talking about stuff that's interesting but again it's you know you get one side Scientology propaganda and then you have defectors and they're also gonna be super mad so you try to put it all together it's a miasma. Well this eventually led to the policy of disconnection being used as a punishment for Scientologists who leave the church because once you leave Scientology everything about Scientology is available in seconds and a thing

that's in your fucking pocket right consequently a culture of captive Scientologists was created in which people remain in the church not because they believe but because they don't want to be separated from their families famously this is what happened between Nicole Kimmon and her children when she left Tom Cruise they fucking they cut her off the kids disconnected they consider her an SP to this day they got to the kids doesn't speak to her that story with Siri Cruz that was really scary that was happening in New York yes when they were hunting down her and I'm actually blanking on the name of the

actress Katie Holmes Katie Holmes but I that was all over New York yeah I remember that too now the reasons why Scientology has been able to survive for as long as it has are twofold one Scientology never has been at any point in their existence a sex cult of any kind it really does make it cleaner in a way well I mean that's the thing you don't have any big crimes attached to you but that's not to say sexual abuse doesn't occur there but no more or less than what happens in any organization made up of humans well and they're also known to protect predators as well of course Danny Masterson well we'll get into next

episode absolutely but perhaps more importantly Scientology has never been successfully tied to a death but that's not for lack of trying yeah what about that one woman that's been missing since 2007 there's no death she's still missing that's the thing they've never disappear isn't that like death I mean depends for us because we're hams now but I some people like it you know you look at Haber Jench Haber Jench who's the other dude the former actual quote unquote president of Scientology he used to be the face we used to be the spokes clam for Scientology because they felt that he was an old he looked like old

and and like grandfather his grandfather and stuff and eventually what they did is they big they removed him but he went into more of a voluntary hiding than whatever Shelly miscabbage is currently involved in we don't know quite what the level of like what Shelly's mindset is quite like but we know for a fact that Haber just took it and it's still alive you're going out in the woods do we know he's still alive because he was an old man when he went away in like 98 we know he's not dead how do we know that they say he's still they say that we'd know if he was dead well the closest that it ever came to

Scientology being attached to a death was in the case of Lisa McPherson in 1995 McPherson had a psychotic breakdown but instead of being taken to the hospital she was quote unquote treated using Scientological techniques for 17 days she died on day 17 from a thrombo embolism caused mostly by severe dehydration there is no their version of an exorcism yeah this is this is Annalise McKell absolutely there is no way that this is the only time that this is gone there's no fucking way because what they were their policy was LRH said to break us like to fix quote

unquote a psychotic person yeah was to put them in isolation because he said the only thing that can help their spirit is their own spirit but the fading has to talk to itself it's really wrong it makes a really wrong but he is there is just there's no way this is the only person that died this way because they also like they only believe in doctors for like broken bones they think that everything else can be healed using a lot of it and they also only ever take people to doctors who are also Scientologists who also won't treat you for the things that Scientologists won't treat you for okay now and during her

autopsy was found that she had been comatose for up to 48 hours before she died she was covered in bruises and her body was covered in cockroach bites those of course from being left alone and I think a Scientology hotel yeah these bullshit Florida little like motels that they bought that they turn into essentially boarding houses that are just awful deregulated like little shitholes yeah they had a bunch of money well they do but not for their members okay now during the initial investigation Mike Rinder was involved in conducting phone interviews to see what everyone knew and the whole time Ms.

Kavich was right there next to him listening in on another phone directing what to say and gesticulating wildly when anyone made a misstep can you imagine being on the phone with that little man just like yeah the stakes here were incredibly high because if Scientology was found to be legally culpable in the death they'd be in danger of losing their already shaky tax exempt status they'd only gotten tax exemption like the year before right the Scientology itself was indicted on two felony charges in McPherson's death although charges were recommended against individuals but all this happened

in Clearwater Florida the bastion of freedom yes flag base the official headquarters of Scientology this meant that Ms. Kavich was playing on his home turf and since so much was at stake they dispatched their biggest creepiest toothiest smile to charm whoever he could who well a political consultant who had close connections to the attorney who filed criminal charges against Scientology from McPherson's death she was quite suddenly hanging out with who else but Tom Cruise he does do his own stunts yeah yeah this is the thing is that he does do his own stunts he did he he does he does he's not a good guy no

I'm just saying a good guy I'm just saying he does his own stunts he does well TC had flown down to Clearwater where he hosted a series of dinners with this consultant I can't say it would be relaxing to me I know people that have met him in a bid in his circle and he is not a relaxing human being now he's friendly yes friend but very scary yeah he not only told her stories of how Scientology changed his life but he also showed her clips of his upcoming movies and if you look at this timeline most likely she saw early footage of Mission Impossible why that makes you feel cool right you're hanging out with

Tom Cruise he's like look at this picture but like this old back say like who's Lisa McPherson oh you don't remember right no look at this here this is me having lunch with Steven Spielberg now of course TC wasn't the only deciding factor in this case TC Tom Cruise really I think the audience knows yeah I got that one yeah Tom Cruise there sure really we only mention it to drive home the fact that Tom Cruise is not an innocent bystander when it comes to the nefarious sides of Scientology so does David Muscap okay well really the deciding factors were more in

Scientology's efforts to pour millions into local charities and in the smear campaigns they ran against McPherson's family branding them as gold diggers of course they also contributed quite a bit to political campaigns as well overall Scientologists spent between 20 and 30 million dollars trying to defeat this case but don't worry cuz you was government just gave them that money back yeah so they had plenty right right and in the end they did defeat it four years after McPherson's death and four months before the case went to trial the medical examiner very suddenly decided to change her ruling to

say that McPherson's death was not undetermined which is key to criminal charges if it's undetermined it could be homicide it could be a number oh sure but she changed it just before the trial to accidentally just want to say nobody wow we finally went through all the materials and we look at it and we found a banana peel oh yeah and so we're pretty certain this is a goofer moment he wasn't made of a goof oh she was a moment yeah McPherson's family then settled for an undisclosed amount in the ensuing civil trial and that was that okay but even though Scientology one Marty Rathbun said that the trial

changed David Miscavige when it was ruled that Miscavige could be added as a defendant before he made the whole thing go away Miscavige allegedly had the quote explosion of all explosions it was and that's and that's the thing is that after that it was said that Miscavige became progressively more violent more antagonistic and more irrational but while irrational could certainly be used a conjunction with David Miscavige when it comes to personal interactions there was nothing irrational about his creation of a brilliantly devious initiative called ideal orgs this is where you could put David Miscavige in

the Hall of Fame of scammers yes right like of all things because you know LRH obviously the tech that's kind of what the invention of the entire fucking thing but the ideal orgs is what like really is David Miscavige's legacy within Scientology this is why we're gonna be hearing the word Scientology for the next century yeah right see in the year 2000 the city of Buffalo refused to authorize the construction of a Scientology mission in their city with good reason Scientology then sued for religious discrimination and they won and the door was open for Scientology to play the same game Catholicism has been

playing for centuries the game of real estate was able to get a place in Buffalo religious freedom boy games buddy they're finally in the mix they're doing it like real religions do it Scientology could now buy whatever building they wanted wherever they wanted in America and of course you can buy what whatever you want in America that goes a long way towards buying shit anywhere else right and this initiative helped turn Scientology into a global real estate empire of empty rehab centers empty tech centers and empty headquarters because the key is also buy

historical buildings you buy buildings that the government's already protecting wherever you're buying them and so you also can't like they don't have the same regulations they don't get they can't get torn down you know like they can't get taken from you because now you're like lording over these important historical like resources yeah I think they own something like five or six buildings around Times Square but yeah like they own shit everywhere they might own the TGI Fridays they might own Bubba Gump they might own Bubba Gump has changed to what I don't know they changed the name no no way yes they did

one at City Walk Universal City Walk is still Bubba Gump sir sir I'm looking at Bubba Gump shrimp factory no Bubba Gump shrimp factory name change alright Bubba Gump shrimp oh they change it to company Bubba Gump shrimp company yeah what is this a fucking MLM my selling shrimp man I don't know man I was buying a pallet of a shrimp and then move the shrimp and have her sell the shrimp down the line I went to a movie at Universal City Walk like two weeks ago and I walk right past Bubba Gump shrimp company no it's less emphasis on shrimp yeah they are they're saying here they're moving towards a less shrimp world good luck

good day you're gonna have to change a lot of signs the Bubba Gump company insect pulp come well this some believe is where the majority of Scientology's money is kept today real estate and it's believed that it's pretty much the only reason why Scientology still exists at the visibility level that it does especially considering how much it's historically low membership numbers have plummeted since the internet I mean at most they've ever had was 30,000 I think has been surmised that's the most Scientology ever had yes well I think they might have had bigger numbers in the beginning but we'll get next week I'm

gonna do more of a current rundown cool now Scientology has always been an organization of punishment for the people who they feel have wronged their organization both internally and externally but around the mid-2000s right before David Miscavige's wife went missing yeah he turned up the volume internally when it came to the physical and mental torture see around 2004 David Miscavige quite suddenly declared one of his top guys Marty Rathbone an SP in fact David Miscavige have been declaring a lot of the top guys in Scientology SP's saying that all of them were actively trying to destroy the

church from the inside this included Mike Render therefore these people had to be punished that's when David Miscavige created the hole and that's where we'll pick back up next week with both the tortures of the hole and the tortured fish fucking celebrities driving me nuts David Miscavige is a fucking quite the villain yeah and he's getting worse and we're gonna see what it's just where's the where's this woman where is this woman she's in Big Bear she's up she's up say two hours from north now she's like she's in air what is the church of science it's the church of religious technology I believe it's called or

maybe it's the center of religious technology it's where the plates are you don't want to tell you this little bench is a little advice if it takes too many words to explain your ideas they're not good you see that's a Richard Feynman idea yeah you know I drive limited words you know it drives me nuts dog butts dog butts do drive you nuts I'm going to say the sexualization of corgi butts is disgusting as the owner of a corgi I don't like the people talking about corgi butts I just remembered there was a book at you know the groomers where I used to drop off my corgi to get her butt squeezed yeah but well because you

know it's a copper town you know all about copper town and the dog they had a book that they left at the at the reception area called dog butts drive me nuts well I saw a teacher that said kindergarten kids drive me kids make me hard yeah I saw a dog with a shaved pussy at the Americana well that is disgusting okay all right everyone thank you all so much that is so gross all right we're not gonna talk anymore all right we've got all right a wonder con is coming March 21st yeah one to come out in Anaheim we're gonna be there at least Friday and Saturday yeah yeah I'm signing at the Z2 table

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