Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 528: The Berwyn Mountain UFO Incident - Roswelsh

Episode Date: April 15, 2023

This week the boys don their tinfoil hats once again, to breakdown the mysterious tale of a UFO story dubbed "The Welsh Roswell", as well as one man's account of his bizarre experiences within the ranks of an extra-terrestrial training program.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last part. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Oh, I'm excited. Okay. Right up there, there's a little bit of a light up there. You've got a bit of a structure, didn't you? I hear you saying it.

It's got a bit of a structure. It's a little bit of a boom. Now you've gone too far. You were in Yorkshire, now you're going to Liverpool. You're with the Bus 50 Bob. You do the Bippie Bob? It's a bit of an alien. It's been in the UFO there. It's from out of town. Fall out of town, isn't it? No, you're Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney.

I'm trying. Well, I wish. But I'm trying to, this is the problem, is I know this accent. It's very specific. I've listened to a lot of Russ coming. Yorkshire? Yorkshire accent. Yorkshire?

I think it's Van Nysle. It's a bit of a Nysle. And then you're going to be like, yo, UFO. UFO. But it's too cute. It's very cute. It is too cute. But I also know that he's, but he's a rough and tumble man.

He likes motorbikes. Oh no, and Bradford, they're fucking vicious. So it's like a cute accent in a very, like, hard group of people. I was watching Canadian hockey fights, mic'd up, dude. Oh, you bastard. You fucking bastard. Your father was a good player. You're not as good as your father.

They're not even good at Nysle. They're too nice. But they would also beat the shit out of us. Isn't that weird? They'd still make fun of them as they were doing it. You're like, oh, are you doing it right? You think you're doing it right? I know Russ Callaghan beat me into the fucking pole.

Of course. He's got ropey motorcycle arms. Yeah, but still. He sounds like a lemon. We're still doing this episode. Is it the UFO there? Is it the UFO? Welcome to the last podcast on the left, everyone.

I'm Ben, hanging out with Marcus and, of course, Henry as well. I'm excited. We're getting back into UFOs. I'm excited because we're doing some smaller topics because we've been doing them. We've been doing super long ones. Yeah, nice and long. It's nice to get back into this world as well. All right.

Let's talk the Burwin Mountain UFO incident. The Burwin Mountain UFO incident. And I'm also probably sure we're pronouncing that incorrectly. But Vayne, it's Welsh, so it's going to be a strange pronunciation. It's Burwin. Burwin. Yeah, that's what I saw. Again, as you go through the various videos, every ufologist says every single word different

than other ufologists to make it sound like they know a real way to pronounce something. Well, I'll tell you one thing. I know this episode won't be a Burwin. Wow. The Burwin Mountain UFO incident. Thank you for having faith in the two of us. It's been 15 years of proven results. It has.

It's in the pudding. The Burwin Mountain UFO incident, known by some as the Welsh Roswell. Or Roswell. It is a highly debated aerial episode from 1974 in which multiple people reported seeing strange lights that could have been controlled crafts amidst a quaint British earthquake. Interesting. So we haven't... I say, okay, well, I will push back a little bit just because it happens in Hoppeton.

Does it mean that the earthquake is cute? No, it does. It's a 3.4. That's a cute earthquake. Oh, it is. It's a fart. Yeah, it's, you know, the British earthquake. It hurts the earthquake more than it hurts the people.

Now Burwin Mountain isn't just debated because skeptics believe that they have multiple possible explanations for what those people saw that night. Everybody's got fucking five explanations for fucking every single thing they got going on in their lives. It's important to see what it could be, prove that it wasn't, and then it's unidentified. I'm sick of all this sense. Yeah. It's logic.

Okay. Well, Burwin Mountain is also debated because some claim that the actual Burwin Mountain incident is far more cinematic, exciting, and consequential than the story of a woman driving up a mountain and turning back because the light freaked her out. Hey man, to that one woman, that's the scariest story that ever happened in real life. But for the rest of us, we hate it. That's why it's nice. There is two different versions of the Burwin Mountain incident.

She made the right decision. But before we get into the battle of Burwin Mountain and all of the Dulce style ground battles, starring a certain Bradford ufologist, let's talk about the more accepted version of the Burwin Mountain incident, the Mufon version, let's say. Yes, the grounded version. Yes. Which is still highly compelling. So on the night of January 23rd, 1974, a woman named Pat Evans, living in northern Wales,

was in her kitchen when she heard a loud concussive sound which shook her home. Is that the horse in balmy waking himself up with the fort in his slave? Really nailing that. She thought that her range stove had finally exploded as her husband had been predicting for years. You're just going to want to get a new one. Every once in a while, husband is correct. I'm saying this down the pipe to the camera.

Yeah. All right. Because as husband when it comes to things that might explode soon. Yes. We know that. That's about to explode. But nothing. That's about to explode.

We're always incorrect when it comes to our emotions. Because we don't share them. No, because then you do share them and then you have the wrong emotions. Always. But no, no, no, no, no, we love it. Yeah. Yeah. We love it.

Guys, save it. That's a different relationship podcast. When Marcus and Henry start the relationship show, Patreon exclusive. Patreon exclusive called husbands are correct. Well, Pat figured that the noise came from the direction of the nearby Burwin Mountains, located about 50 miles south of Yes, Henry, south of Liverpool as the crow flies. It's a bit over UFO on the left. You got to be careful.

Gotta make a bit of traffic. We're going to end home. If I'm a UFO, I'm stopping in Liverpool to the party. They party hard. Austin knows 15 year olds had quite a night in Liverpool. Good God. I hear they party dangerously and with intimidation. Well, Liverpool.

They party to mate. That's what they did. They literally, it seemed like we were on rum spring. Nobody there was under. It was weird. It was just nothing but children. It felt like Pinocchio. Yeah.

It was like all of these children are out. We had to leave immediately. And then we got out all night. Yeah, we did. But then we went to an old man bar, which was nice. That was fun. Yeah, that's where we belong. And there was a fight outside.

That's fun. But a Liverpool flight. So they were just like, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch. Yeah, they didn't shoot each other. It's nice to just stick to one and punch each other in the face. That's true. Now Pat first tried contacting her village policeman to report the explosion. But she couldn't get an answer.

No one at the phone. Eventually she found an authority figure in a seaside town 40 miles north and asked him if there was possibly a plane crash up on the mountain. That was the only thing they could explain an explosion from the mountain. Yeah, man. This is called what the internet used to be. Yeah. Calling somebody you'd think might know.

Right. This authority figure said that Pat wasn't even close to the first person who'd reported the explosion. But as far as the cause, he said that it could be anything, really. Well, then you got a lot to work with, don't you? Why don't you go figure it out? Narrow it down. Let's just say we've got like 10 different options of what it could be, right?

Well, what we're going to do here right now is instead of a bit of the on the ground lip corner action, I'm going to do it if I think anything up here in my cop hat. You see you up here where my cop hat is with my barbie. It's my barbie crown. I don't like it. That's kind of a thinking area. Okay, great. Well, let's think maybe what could it be?

Yeah. And so Pat and her daughters trained in First Aid and Good Samaritan's All. They drove up the mountains at around 9.30, 10.00 p.m. to see if they could help anyone who was possibly hurt. That's why the British made it through WW2 because they're self-reliant. They kept a step up her lip and they get out there and they do whatever happens and they never feel any self-reliant in no way expansionist. No.

Great Indian food for some reason. Incredible. Incredible. The Indonesian food. Incredible. This is amazing. Strange. No, at first the fear Pat and her girls had upon driving up the mountain was what they'd

find when it came to carnage. Like Matt, that's what they're afraid of. What are we going to find? Blood and guts? I don't know. Blood and cracks? Who knows? A sea bead of an intestinal.

Sea bead of a lung. Something could go horribly wrong. But when Pat got her first good look at the mountaintops, that fear shifted. Instead of the fiery wreckage of a plane crash, Pat and her daughter saw sitting at the closest peak around reddish-orange bright ball floating in the sky. Pat opened the door to get a better look and found that whatever this object was, it made no sound and had smaller white lights dancing around it. Like other orb-like craft we've spoken of recently, particularly in the Pennsylvania

Bigfoot UFO flap, the object changed color from red to yellow to white, then back to red. I just like these stories too because they are so similar and Pat had nothing to do with UFOs. She was a country housewife out there, trained in first aid, which is great, but not necessarily, definitely not interested in UFOs. So, like, seeing this is kind of fun because why would this woman lie? We'll get into it.

Also, if you do have anything on your body that turns a different shade of green, yellow, red, it's melanoma. It's a melanoma. Or it's mesothelioma. Perfect. Mesothelioma. Wow, you know how to say it after all your doctor's visits. What else is there?

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. You go to Camp Lejeune. You go to enough pulmonologist. You're going to pick up a thing or two. It's like your one.

He's the closest thing that we have to one. Oh, yeah. I'm going to ask him about my lungs. If we were all stranded on an island, you are a doctor. You've seen the weakest and you've seen the most. Did you technically, you know how you got Carolinas and you said, like, oh, let me, like, oh, I'm a lone doctor. Let me check your lung fronts.

No. And then you do your examiner bonus to see whether or not they were not really supporting her lungs. Absolutely not. That's a horrible story to make up. It's a horrible story. You're a horrible man. I'm sorry.

You're a horrible man. You're a horrible man. But no, their first day was weirder. He started talking about bones that she didn't leave. Yes, of course. And he's like, she's the one. It was on brand. Yeah.

Now, after watching the object for what felt like about 15 minutes, Pat and her daughters decided that this was definitely not a plane crash. And it appeared as if there were already people on the scene doing something. Although it was unclear what. So Pat and her daughters drove home, leaving the object behind in their rear view mirror. Now, Pat's story lay fallow for a long time until it was finally unearthed by an extraordinary woman, Margaret Fry, considered by some to be the great grandmother of UK ufology. She is legit.

She is a, I love her. Her work. She's earnest. She's very similar to what's her name from Mrs. Potts. Sue was the talk of pot. Who is she? Angela Ramsey. Angela Ramsey.

Angela Ramsey. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You saw me. Just simply boops. It's like, because she is built like a teapot. Put a nipple on Mrs. Teapot. But she is a, uh, is very, very interesting because she, she's just cool, man. She's a fucking UFO gangsta.

Oh yeah. She is man. Very Guy Fieri of you. Yeah. Yeah. She's fucking out of bounds. She is out of bounds. Raised in India during the British occupation where she barely escaped with her life at the

the age of 21 during, you know, the uprisings. Yeah, people got all mad. Yeah, they were upset. They're like, this is our land. And then the British are like, but what if we have it? And then there's a whole thing. I don't know what that's like. Yeah, I don't know.

Well, Margaret, she was raised in India. India was all she knew until she was 21 years old. Well, if she wants good Indian food, go to England. We know that. So when Margaret finally arrived in England for the first time, she saw it as a dreary, dreadful place. It's rainy. It's not India.

It's not India. That's for certain. Yeah, so she spent her life looking to the stars as a way to return to the magic of India. I've heard India is beautiful. I love it. Yeah, I would love to go. My older brother was there.

He's six foot 10. He's been all over Asia. He's been to Dubai. So I know I can fit. He's my little drone. He's a little tall drone. I'm like, can I fit? He's like, I fit.

I'm like, oh, I can fit. Well, among some of the earliest UFO researchers in her neck of the woods, Margaret trained with such British UFO greats as the aristocrat, Brinsley Lipwar Trench, the eighth Earl of Clant Carry. Yeah, you know, it's a lot of names. Oh, wow.

It's a lot of names. We were bringing up, was it Dennis Kasinich earlier with the tall, hot, sexy wife? Still a shock. It just seems very analogous, right? You're talking to the eighth Earl of Dork. Yeah, great. Wow.

Clant Carty. Wow, Clant Carty. Wow. But Trench was also vice president of Bufora, a member of the ancient astronaut society and the editor of the Flying Saucer Review. So you can tell me he fucks. Yeah, I like him, he's interesting.

But the Earl's specialty was a focus on hollow earth studies, which led him- This is, I'm just gonna go on. Hey, this is- So this is what I want the royalty to be doing. Yeah. This is what they should be doing. Oh, yes.

Just focus on hollow earth. Yeah. It led him to the controversial conclusion that the world was not spherical, not flat, but rather sphere-ish. This is what I'm talking about when you follow this. Does that mean- It's round on the sides, but flat at the top of the box.

I'll just stick that eye to sore. It's this euphology thing where they have to pick one specific, like, very highly specific idea because that sort of makes sense. We're spinning ball. We could maybe be, but how flat? Are we talking, like, full-on, like, hamburger shape? Pretty flat.

That's dumb. It's just- I mean, like, maybe not like a mesa on top and on bottom. Maybe not tabletop, but pretty flat. Flat enough. Flat enough. Yeah, flat enough where when, you know, the astronauts went out and took the picture

of the big blue marble, he was surprised. Oh, wow. Truly, whatever it takes, you should not have systematic sex with children. Yeah. I'm fine with it. Yeah, it is bizarre, though, because the only people that could ever believe

what he's saying is a child. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's a moron. But they just were friends. They were very friends. Those were his academia, like, peers. But I like the-

Euphologists choose majors. No, I get it. I love it. I love them too. Yeah. But- Yes. It's just more saying, like, eupho or saying-

it's saying specific words that they decide are the way you say the words. Affectations. Yes. Yeah. You fight about that. You don't get to do the substance. That's the idea.

For example, I love saying euphologists. You do. That's my thing. You're allowed to. I've actually given up that ghost a long time ago, because I'm not going to control everyone's language, because I'm not fucking some kind of Twitter person. No, you're not.

I'm looking at- you could say euphologists, even though it makes me mad. It's euphologists. I- whatever you say, you were allowed to say. That's true. But you notice that's how against it. I can't even say it. Yeah, I know.

But I'm just happy to say I won. Yeah, sure. You know what? One thing is, like, getting older. Loco. Choose your battles to let go. Yeah, you're really- that's pretty cool, Marcus. Well, you say that's pretty cool.

But regardless of how unconventional the beliefs of the Earl of Clantcarti might be, Earl Brinsley Trench was still a highly respected name in British ufology when he was alive. And Margaret, the founder of the Welsh Fellowship of Independent Ufologists, she was one of his top protegees. The reason why they call me the Trench

is because the clavicles between my excrement areas, they're so far apart. I do not need to wipe. Deep perineum. All right. It's all deep. One deeply long-eated furry furrow. And if you were to gaze upon it,

you would know how it is too late for me because you are either my dead wife or my proctologist. Well, fantastic. Now, Margaret began collecting witness statements concerning the Burwin Mountain Incident soon after discussing it with Pat Evans, almost 20 years after the event. And she soon found that Northern Wales

was quite busy that night in 1973. Cool. A local hotel manager said that he remembered the incident well because he had been host to military men that night who were all having interesting conversations. Is this Skyrim? What's happening?

That's cool. Great. The hotel manager. The inn keep? Yeah, the inn keep actually has some interesting information. They know a lot. They know a lot from me. And he does?

That's awesome. Yes. He has a mission. The hotel manager said he overheard these military men talking about sealing off an area so they could shoo away people. And they needed to shoo away people without explanation. Get in your car.

Turn around. Get out of here. But why? Well, I just wanted to give a bit of a drivey drive. I was walking right here with my car using my car as my feet. And I was using my eyes with a bit of a looky loo there, Mr. Military Police Officer, right then.

Absolutely. Very good impression. Well, this conversation was memorable. He said doubly memorable because there were Americans mixed in with the British. Oh, yeah, because as Russ Kellett says, UK can't sneeze without the US saying it's OK. Yeah.

That doesn't make it. You can't sneeze without the US. That's a whole thing. Russ Kellett will get to him. I thought they were telling us what to do. I love him. I love his energy. His energy is amazing.

The only way I can really say this is like he's upset. In ufology, he's the one of all of the characters I have met in our travels in this world, intellectual travels. I say, bless his heart. Interesting. Because, yes, he is an interesting storyteller. Great.

Well, additionally, in the hours before the incident, two long-haul truckers claimed to have seen a cigar-shaped UFO over a nearby lake while they were on the way to the pub. And this is not counting, too, a flap of ghost helicopters. This is another. Nick Redford was one of those guys. He comes into the story.

But he's obsessed with ghost helicopters. Phantom helicopters are another thing. Kind of like what we dealt with during quarantine over Denver. Remember the drones that were flying around? And they weren't connected to any. They were flying in patterns. And we couldn't find the origin of them.

And no private company was coming out saying what they were. And the US was saying, like, they are not hours and blah, blah, blah. There was something like that that was also happening in the UK, where you'd see these, like, unmarked, silent helicopters going everywhere. And he said that that would proceed a flap.

But they were tangible helicopters. Well, according to him, it's people seeing things in the sky that look like helicopters but are not making sounds. Well, these guys that were out on their way to the pub, sitting next to the lake, they said they watched the cigar-shaped UFO for a bit, then continued on their way.

But when they got to the pub, they found that they had been missing hours of time. Because the pub was closed. And they definitely weren't drunk before. No way. Missing time comes up a lot. Yes. And of course, when you are drinking,

this is one of the more reliable you can have as a drunk is to make sure you get to the bar on time. That is the one thing you've got to do. So that's the one thing you do know how to do. Now, as Margaret started putting together a fuller picture of Burwin Mountain, she contacted her boss at Bufora, a woman named Ginny Randalls, who was also receiving information about Burwin Mountain.

Or she was at least receiving stories of aliens in Wales. And of course, Bufora, it's a fantastic makeup company for ghosts. For your butts. Oh, I thought it was going to be for butts. No. This is makeup for her. And the nice thing about selling makeup to ghosts is you don't kind of have no proud out.

Oh, shit. It goes. Are we scamming the afterlife? Oh, Bufora. Now I get it. Yeah, but it's BU in this. I actually thought of a joke yesterday. I said, oh, great Halloween costume right up top of my head.

Boony rate. Ghost Bonnie Ray. You have a fucking Halloween costume. You need an idea? You let me know. It's April. Number one is April. That's why I was just like, I'll file it away.

That's in the old file there. Bufora is the British UFO Research Association? Sure. Yeah. Well, Ginny Randalls had received a note at Bufora, supposedly from the Aerial Phenomenon Network, the APN. This note said that tall humanoid aliens traveling in a flying saucer had landed in North Wales.

Yeah, we back to some tall whites. Along with the letter was a bizarre tape that I would pay at least 20 bucks to own. It sounds so cool. It's sort of music concrete featuring samples of broadcast UFO stories, drunk Welshman, Nazi marching songs, and an American voice claiming to be the commander of the APN. This just sounds like your college radio station.

It does. Oh, man, it sounds so cool. This is the stuff that I listen to at home. Nazi marching songs? Well, if it's a part of a music concrete. Now, you say Nazi marching songs are just German marching tunes that took place during the 30s and the 40s. Probably songs, marching tunes that

became associated with Nazis. Because the Nazis, I don't think, had a lot of composers contemporarily. There goes the jute, jute, and there is everybody. You run from us. We suck. I remember that. You remember that song?

I love that marching song. It's called Pumped Up Kicks. Yes. Well, that's exciting, Marcus. Yes. That'll be the new exercise craze, the Nazi marching, Nazi marching song. Honestly, it's good for the hamstrings.

Get those legs up. Absolutely. Life from your grave. Now, at first, Randall's dismissed the tape and the letter. But when Margaret Fry called with the story of Pat Evans, Randall's realized that some of the statements and the ramblings meshed with Pat's tale, starting all come together. Now, from there, the story seemed

to take on a life of its own. One night, while Margaret was photocopying an artist illustration of Pat's description of the craft, the thing she saw up on the mountain, the clerk at the shop said that she, too, had been at Berwyn Mountain that evening. And it followed that same object until police turned her back at a roadblock. Cool.

Now, for years, Margaret made Berwyn Mountain her pet project. And she became known around Wales as the UFO lady. Unfortunately, though, not much more information came for the next five years, until a source passed along information that had been allegedly collected from a high-ranking military officer. And that is a sentence that has appeared in ufology since the dawn of ufology.

The idea of an off-the-record high-ranking memory from a dying high-ranking military officer. Now, I just wish one day, maybe I'll set it all up, then I'll have, like, secret footage in my home. Because Russ Kellett, too, also has a bunch of UFO footage that no one's loved to see until he dies. And they'll be like, just be nice. And all these secrets, the CIA guys always

like shooting their shot one last graft right before they die. I do love it. Sure. Well, this officer said, oh, man, wouldn't it be cool if we found out years from now that all CIA officers signed a contract that said right before you die, you have to throw one more wrench into the works?

That would be incredible. I think it's just a part of the, you have to be a professional troll to want to be in this CIA. And then you also, like, what they say, they never retire. Yeah, never retire. The most recent Pentagon leak. That was a 21-year-old hanging out in his mom's house. Trying to impress other morons on Discord.

It's interesting to see how these massive conspiracies just come from shithead, friendless nerds. But it does show you, though, you can't, you don't have to be hanging out with the higher echelon to have some secret evidence. So it just shows how lax all the security is, the fact that you even get to the documents. You know what this guy's showing me?

You know what I think is going to be the downfall of civilization? What? Weeners. Weeners. It's going to be Weeners. Nazis were Weeners. Is it hot dogs?

You know, like, no. No, just Weeners. The dudes who are Weeners. Also, Weeners. Can also be Weeners. Yeah. It's mean, weak people. Weeners.

Yeah. Weeners. They're going to be the downfall of all of us. All right. That's why we got bully more Weeners. Well, that's what makes a Weener. That's the problem. Now, you're born a Weener.

I'm sorry about you're born a Weener. Well, all right, let's cook these dogs. Cook these dogs. Well, this officer, this high-ranking military officer, he said that immediately after the explosion, he and a small team had driven up to the mountain to investigate. And this was odd, because the men were already on alert

to participate in a, quote unquote, exercise near Burwin Mountain that night, placing them in a prime spot to jump on the scene. Oh my god, it's such a coincidence. What a coincidence. When this thing lands on the mountain, crashes into the mountain, there's already military officers in a remote part of northern Wales ready to jump.

This is where Margaret Fry crushed this. So she found that there was records of saying that there wasn't exercise going on. She cooperated these stories. She went and got these various witnesses together. A bunch of people saw the same fucking thing. They saw it that night. And then, cooperating with the,

I mean, whatever you think about the in-keep, I mean, obviously, his side quest is a pain in the ass. But once you complete it. I don't know what the side quest is. When you complete it, you just get a bag of Marmite that's on the end of a dildo, and you could have showed up your ass. It's a great, it's a special item, it's a rare item.

But she put this all together in a way that this is where we see kind of a grounding here, where she, there's several people all saying the same story in a very small community that like, you know, maybe, but it's rural. It's rural. It's rural. So it's not like they're all hanging out all the time.

So it's interesting. I just find it, it makes it compelling. No, I love it. Well, incredibly, this military officer said that when they got to the peak after the explosion, they found a number of oblong, coffin-like boxes. These boxes were collected and driven to a top secret chemical and biological research facility in Wiltshire

named Porton Down. Porton Down is a science park, as the British put it. The oldest chemical warfare facility in the world. They call that a science park? Science park. See how much more fun that is than fucking atrocious chemical creators of chemicals that are gonna end the world?

How are you going to hear a bit of the carousel of death over here in the land? And right over here is the cardinal cotton candy of malice. It's like in Washington, D.C., where we've got the National Mall. That's not a mall. It's not a mall. It's a big piece of paper.

The only thing they're selling is a fake story of history in this country. But it is a mall in the sense, in the truest sense, it is a mall. A mall doesn't necessarily have to have... A mall is a gathering area. It doesn't have to have... We subjugated the mall.

No, but that's what I mean is that we... You have a New Jersey sense of what a mall is. No, I have an American sense of what a mall is. No, the Washington Memorial, that mall is more of a mall than a mall. I'm talking about the appropriation of terms and how the English language changes over time. I think this fucking New York Times bestseller just lost.

Yeah, good work. Got him against the fucking ropes. Yeah, you got me. Thanks. Good job. What the mall needs, though, is it before I... I agree with that. There's nothing in here.

Well, this place, Portendown, it's pretty much the British version of Edgewood. This is where they conducted chemical experiments on, quote-unquote, volunteer soldiers. Oh, man, no. And these, of course, resulted in the death of at least one soldier who had liquid nerve gas dripped into his arm.

Now, when you say nerve gas... I mean sarin. Yeah, if you... Okay, so we're gonna put this juice in me. So is this the type of thing that's gonna calm my nerves? I don't think so. Is this a... Does MKUltra go to Europe?

No. Well, of course we know. I mean, I don't know. We're talking about where the money sloshed around. It's mostly... The Canadians certainly participated in it. Yeah. Maybe I'm incorrect.

They might have MKUltra money, but this is... It's different because... Because you're technically doing different things here. This is just straight-up chemical warfare, which MKUltra didn't fully get into. That's where it started. Yeah.

Well, I mean, the thing is about... It was psychological warfare. Yes. Well, the thing is about nerve gas. I mean, they were using sarin. This is the same stuff used by Om Shinrikyo decades later. You know, in Edgewood, the military facility, Edgewood did the same thing in America

where we tested this nerve, because nerve gas was something that was discovered after World War II. Some of the Nazis were working on it. They must've been so mad. Yeah. Oh, man, we could've used so much of this gas earlier. Yeah.

We could've used that a couple of months ago. Yeah. The Nazis hadn't quite gotten a chance to use it yet. They were gonna use it, but then they didn't. And so what we had to... Yeah, because we know that was a part of the end games. We're gonna be there. We're just gonna gas everybody.

Yeah. No, they wouldn't do that. No, they didn't judge. And so the British and the Americans had to do tests on it, so you're like, oh, my God, what does it do? Important Down is where the British did their tests, but that is to say,

Important Down is considered a nefarious place full of mystery and conspiracy. It seems to make your nervy nerves, little cockamamie there. Can't believe what we did there. Thought maybe you've gone living up with the sleep there, but it turns out it's a bit of a dirt nap. Yeah.

It doesn't sound like this experiment needed to happen. You know what I mean? We had to kill people so we could see how fast they could kill people. We had to kill one. They killed, okay, please be fair. We had to kill one guy. One guy, not people.

Thank you. That's a person. That's a person. How many looks in the mirror? That's people. That's a paper. Now the military officer claimed that for some reason, he was allowed to stick around

while the scientists opened up these boxes. What they found inside, allegedly, were the bodies of two dead aliens that match the descriptions of alien graves. Presumably, these had been failed decontamination chambers that were meant to keep the graves alive. Now, everybody is like in these days, I can see how people are skeptical of these stories.

But it is, it's really interesting because it does come up a lot. Like if you talk about Roswell, which is still probably of all of the grand daddy cases, it's still kind of got a lot of concrete evidence attached to it, well, in terms of like the people who've talked about it and the things that they've all said that they've seen.

Now we talk about that they, that book came out called Area 51 that talked about Roswell, that the real thing with Roswell is that there was surgically altered people that were presented in front of people as aliens. Like, so it's strange to see that same thing happen here before that was common knowledge.

Yeah, it was 1973, you know. But, so unless it's, so it's one of, maybe it's one of two things, is that one, it's either aliens, and they're seeing aliens, or two, are a lot of people surgically altering humans to look like aliens to prank on other people. And then I guess there's a third

where all of this is fake, yeah. Right, this should have gotten Jimmy Savile to fix it. I wish he could, come on. Now Margaret was skeptical of the alien coffin story because the source that passed it along refused to meet in person. Another researcher did say that he vetted the source and confirmed his credibility,

but the source had remained anonymous to maintain his safety, or so he claimed. But Margaret was torn. Yeah, she was torn. And Margaret certainly had her detractors. A skeptic and all around pain in the ass named Andy Roberts went so far as to publish a book debunking Berwyn Mountain. I can see his butt, like the start of Gremlins

where the woman's all upset that, you know, that she didn't get something from the bank. I can just see his big button khakis walking around. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Yeah, excellent, another fantasy dispelled. I mean, honestly, what's worse than being a ufologist, being a professional debunker? Like, unfortunately, the whole world's debunk.

Although, I do agree with you that most professional debunkers do have big butts. I don't know that for a fact, but I see it. I could see it. That's their grounding. That is their grounding. Well, Andy Roberts claimed that the light that Pat Evans saw that everyone lightened a tent.

Yeah, a lightened a tent. Hunters, they're camping out and they got a lightened a tent. Well, cause it's very similar to when you talk stories of a phantom lights, but they wonder what it is. Some people just say, is it just lights on a hill that you're seeing that are refracted because of something, cause something with the air like is making them appear to float or whatever.

Or earth farts, yeah, earth, literal earth farts. Is that what they're seeing? And, you know, he just doesn't like UFOs. I think it's more destabilizing to society thinking that all of this could be caused just by a couple of campers with a goddamn magnum flashlight. I like the idea of a UFO better.

Yeah, of course, cause otherwise, what are we doing here? We're very fragile. That's gonna have upheaval for an entire community. Seriously, yeah, exactly. Well, it's like, it's more just like more and more I research and more and more I read about these things. It's just more getting into what is consciousness. Why do we receive reality the way that we do?

How we generate reality as we're swimming in it, we're constantly generating it. And it's very flimsy. It's just kind of there. We're just, we're all relying on the three pounds of goop between her fucking eyeballs and her asshole. And you better give credit to Jerry Springer for that. Final thought.

Yeah, I mean, Andy Roberts, he actually personally attacked Margaret. He personally attacked her. He said that her research was nothing more than, quote, the rantings of an old lady. I like Margaret though. I love Margaret. What is his asshole done?

Nothing. He's just a destroyer. He just doesn't like UFOs. He doesn't. Luckily though, Margaret had her allies. Whilst Andy was all up in Margaret's ass using debunking research that, guess what, has been debunked itself.

Now who's sadder than the re-debunker? Because then that's the saddest man. That's the Rorschach of the ufology world. A man that goes and debunks the debunks. You just don't want to be anywhere near that guy. No, just not as far. I like him. We need him in his way.

Yeah. And I use a man on purpose. I'm saying he's on purpose. He's the rebuttal. That's the thing, you got to sick your attack dog somewhere. Yeah, and you're a rebuttal man. Now that's the ufologist attack dog. And then what you do is the rebuttal man,

he's doing stuff and the whole thing being like, you use him to tell the stuff and be like, but I don't really depend on Greg because Greg's kind of unreliable. But still, he's doing good work. Good work, Greg. Good work. Well, Margaret's best ally was a young independent researcher

named Scott Felton. And he decided that maybe Margaret had missed something under Wind Mountain. Not that she wasn't doing a good job, but there was a lot of information to sift through. And there really is like kind of a rom-com in here, if you want. A little bit.

A little bit of a Harold and Maude. Oh man, Harold and, this is perfect. This spooky Harold and Maude. And again, because it is ufology, this isn't the fucking OJ Simpson murder scene. No. You don't have to be, you make mistakes sometimes. Well, he also.

Sometimes you just wipe up a bunch of DNA. There's room for speculation. Yes, it's okay. Well, Margaret and Scott began working together in 2014. And after going back through her notes, Scott found a phone call that Margaret had taken from a man named Michael Savile. No relation.

You know, it's just so bad for anyone named Fogel, or just anyone. We're not seeing a lot of hitlers. That last name is gone. You never want that to happen. Well, Scott figured Savile was worth a second look. And as it turned out, this man was the confirmation for Pat's story

that Margaret and Scott had needed the entire time. See, Savile and his wife lived on a cottage with a clear view of the mountaintops. They lived above the village. They were enjoying a nice night reading at home when their walls began to tremble and shake. So Savile went outside to see what was what. I should have gave him a little bit of a look

at who with the shakity up there. Bippity bop in the sun. It sounds like such a fun night though, because I'm like, thank you, did a little fire going. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we had earthquakes the other night, but it's scary, but it's.

I haven't felt one of these fucking earthquakes. I was promised earthquakes when I moved out here. Yeah. I know there's been like eight. I haven't felt any of them. You just have to be a less good sleeper like me. Why is it always at night? Why is it always never?

Why does it have to know when it is scary when it does for real happen? You'll see, you'll be scared. Okay. I hope to be. All right, yeah. I mean, I'm kind of, I'm looking forward to a solid 4.3.

Use a Subaru guy. Please stop wishing for it. It's very scary. I was in the theater when we saw Midsummer and we had that legit one a couple of years ago. And I just need a 40 milligram edible. And it was just when they all arrived at the Colt when they were doing it.

And then we were like, there was something weird was going on and all of a sudden the movie froze and the building just went back and forth. And it was scary. Yeah. You'll see, I love it. I don't want to ruin the end of mid,

the end of Midsummer. But they all, everybody survives and it's great. Yeah. Well, actually the big surprise is the whole thing took place during December. Thank you. Who debunks the debunkers? Well, to Savile's surprise, when he walked outside,

he was faced with the same bright circular light that Pat Evans saw. It was so bright and large from his vantage point that he thought the world was coming to an end. Damn. 10 minutes later though, Savile claimed that the objects silently sunk below the horizon and disappeared.

And so after hearing Savile's side of the story, and I love what Scott did here, he connected when and where Savile saw the object to when and where Pat saw the object. And Scott found that their timelines and sight lines dovetail perfectly. He proved that when the objects sunk out of Savile's view, it entered Pat's view.

Meaning that at the very least, two people did see the same thing that night, whatever that thing may have been. Cool. Check me for all of, when you talk about UFOs, that's when it starts to get credible. Like the aerial school phenomenon. I still feel like the aerial school phenomenon

is one of the best, like, proving that something happened in that moment of all those stories is that story. Where you just have a bunch of people all saying they saw the same shit, the group abduction and Coronado. Like, yes, even though most of it that we focus on was the man showing his penis to his roommate

that he was forced to have on his trip, which is the best part of that entire story. But you see the idea of everybody seeing and experiencing something in a small period of time, it's very interesting, the Hudson Triangle. And this is cool because it's two people telling independent stories that are giving different timelines, they don't know each other,

and he's actually able to use triangulation, actually use calculations to prove that both of them are telling the truth. He's corroborating evidence here. It's fucking great. But concerning what that thing may have been, there is a bit of a fly in the ointment in the form of a psychology professor

named Dr. Michael Persinger. Actually, it came for me to get involved here, I thought I saw a smile. So they decided to arrive and say, um, I farted in here, so you can all frown. I like Dr. Persinger. I know you would, Marcus. I like him, I like him.

It's because you want to be a professor when you grow up. Well, I mean, I thought about it. Yeah, when he grows up. Yeah, yeah. When I grow up. He's still a young boy. He is a young boy. Yeah.

He's only 40. Well, they say we're going to live to 100, so we're not even halfway dead yet. Yeah. Fuck. I'm going to think about my finances. Yeah. You really got to pay attention.

Ah. Fuck. Ah. Shit. All right, from your claim. Well, Dr. Michael Persinger, who is made, well, Dr. Michael Persinger, it's a very difficult name. I didn't even think about how to say that.

Persinger. Persinger. Dr. Michael Persinger, he made distinct links between UFO sightings and the type of earthquakes that were felt just before the sighting of the glowing object. Yes. In Persinger, he was no fuddy-duddy dickhead.

He's not a Philip class. He's not a Joe nickel. He's not out to ruin everyone's fun. Yeah. He's not of the opinion that people are just stupid or gullible, like a lot of these other assholes. He is of the opinion that there must be some scientific reason why so many people throughout history

have reported paranormal experiences. See, this is the kind of approach I appreciate. Me too. I love this. It is there. It's this concept of like the government's been gaslighting us for long enough, telling us we haven't seen anything.

And then our eyes are wrong. And we were, you know, again, we're idiots. Yeah. But it's like, yeah, we're idiots for other reasons. You know what I mean? We're actively, you know, we try to kill ourselves with food. That's fine.

Yeah. We do it. But this story, it's like, at least like, give me some kind of credit. Yeah. Like, show me that, like, no, it's a phenomenon happening. Yeah. We just need to figure out what the hell it is.

Yeah. And whether it either is a psychic phenomenon that is not what we will, just more of a lack of understanding of how our consciousness works, or if it's something natural, I'll take it. Yeah. And that's what Dr. Persinger's, that's what he devoted his entire life to,

was trying to find that answer. That paranormal experiences are real. Even though it's not necessarily paranormal, people are seeing something. Sure. And he's trying to, he tried to figure out why. Well, and that's just not a waste of a life at all. No.

He don't think it is. I don't think it is. No. No. He didn't waste his whole life. No, not even close. No, it's not like he's spent his entire life as a podcaster. And isn't that such a noble calling?

Hey, me. No. Are you having fun? And several people say, you know, I would have nothing to listen to while washing the dishes if it wasn't for you. Do the dishes have been washed? That is true.

That is true. That is true. Yeah. Well, for example, Dr. Persinger was the inventor of something called the God Helmet. Yeah, we're going to use one. Yeah. Yeah, I already got a line on one.

This is the famous God Helmet. Yes. Yeah. It used weak magnetic fields that produced mystical experiences and altered states. See, it was Dr. Persinger's theory that paranormal experiences are examples of, get this, enter hemispheric intrusions caused

by vectorial hemisphericity. Yep, bro. Yeah, I knew this. Sounds like you just wasted a lot of money on fucking some big ass words because you didn't fucking teach me shit, dude. Well, I'll give you PhD. Pretty hot and fucking stupid, you dickhead.

Fuck you. Now, that sounds very interesting and smart. It doesn't sound like anything. I don't understand what it means. It means that there is, it's the two loaves of our brains are talking to each other. Yes, they're talking to each other. Two sourdose.

But they're intrusions. They're not supposed to. They're talking to each other in a bad way. Yes, they're fucking up. Or again, is it fucking up? Or is that just how our brains work? Yeah. And is that how we experience things

that are in an interdimensional fashion? I do think there's the other side of it where, yes, you can reproduce it with the God helmet, but it's also just how our brains work. So he's just showing it being like, so if waves of these things, if we're sending these things purposely into our brain to create a fake mystical experience,

maybe it's also just how our brain receives these kind of waves and we decide whether or not that energy is it from an intelligent source or is it just a natural expression of the universe? I don't know. We got to get some DMT up in here. Yeah. Yeah.

I've heard. DMT, man. Well, Dr. Persinger, I mean, admittedly, his theories were not able to be reproduced. They're not easily reproduced. Well, we know that we just talked to the New Kirks. They use the God helmet all the time, and they're always talking to God inside the run brain.

Yeah, but I think partly the reason why his research hasn't gotten larger, you know, the bottom fell out of the parapsychology research funding after the 70s. During the 70s, they really gave it a go, and then they just stopped. You know, it's like in Ghostbusters. They're like, you know, they just don't have any use for him anymore, and who cares if it doesn't really

work most of the time? Guys, say, give him a few million and let him try. You just got to be careful, Ray, if we're going to the private sector, they expect results. That's true. It's like, I went and I, because, you know, I wrote to Dr. Merlin Toddle. We talked about the bad biology.

But I also wrote to the University of North Carolina, because they used to have a lot of, they had a paranormal, like an entire paranormal wing. Parapsychology. Parapsychology wing, and I was obsessed with it, and I didn't get anything back. And then it all closed down. And it turns out I was writing to things

that were from books that were like years old. Yeah, I didn't see that. Yeah. You got to write to Disney Adventures. I did. Yes, I submitted a couple of stories. I love Disney Adventures. Yeah, I think I wrote to Omni a couple of times.

What was that? It was a science magazine. Yeah, and it won't be like, how do I make my dick bigger? No. It was like girls that were like me, yeah. It's still pretty small. I don't make it bigger, because it's like, they say it's going to get bigger, but I don't believe them.

It does. I need results here. All right. But concerning Berwynn Mountain, Dr. Persinger said that seismic stresses, i.e. earthquakes, can produce electrical effects that produce luminosities and electromagnetic disturbances through the ionization of air.

Like static electricity caused by plates. And this is what could possibly create the bright luminous globs that could be interpreted as the glowing orb UFO that we see again and again and again. I mean, my little understanding of what's happening right now with the study of the Earth itself, it does seem like there's some funky things going on, and it's much shallower than we thought.

We don't know anything. Yeah. Yeah, we don't know shit. Yeah. I mean, this would explain the soundless nature of these orbs. You know, everyone says when they see the orbs, they say it makes no sound. It would explain their erratic movements,

which would give it the appearance of being piloted. It was called the Busey effect. Yeah. Really? No, I should say like how Gary Busey was a sort of unpredictable human being. An erratic man. It still is an erratic man.

Oh, very much. Very erratic man. He's a good person. Yeah, you give him a football helmet. He'll just start ramming you. And you'll kill him. Yeah. He's a good person.

He is. Yeah. False expectations of hearing real. That's fear. I always forget what it means. Yeah. Well, concerning what people feel when they see these kinds of things, Dr. Persinger said that when he exposed subjects

to these kinds of electrical fields and labs, the kinds that could have produced these glowing orbs, he said that it produced feelings of foreboding and dreamlike states. Which a lot of people say they feel when they see these orbs. Which is tripping on the fucking planet Earth's fucking vibes, dog. That's why I've been fucking bringing my big old fucking

road cone to every time they go fracking someplace, dude. And I just put it up there and I just suck on the earth. That's the ultimate gravity bomb. That's the gravity bomb. Of course, both these electrical fields and Dr. Persinger's God helmet don't work on everybody. Like, for example, smug fuck Richard Dawkins, who everyone fucking hates.

He tried the God helmet. Does everybody hate Richard Dawkins? I think he's a polarizing figure on purpose. He's a dickhead. He's a massive dickhead. He's dead. He's dead now. No, he's still alive.

He's still alive. I checked. He's in his 80s or his 70s. No, I thought he was like. Dude, I checked earlier today. The answers. No, I checked earlier today. Many kids.

He's still alive. Yeah, he's still alive. He might not have cancer. Who knows? Well, he said that when he put on the God helmet, the sensation he experienced, he experienced putting on a helmet. Sure.

Fuck you. Well, OK. But he used to say he doesn't want to be into it at all. Like, he doesn't like the concept of gods or anything. But you understand, because organized religion, all of a sudden, that comes around it is decidedly bad. Sure. But he believes in nothing.

And he spends his life telling people that they're stupid if they believe in anything. Yeah. Well, that's not nice. Richard. No, most of the time. It turns people away. I think so.

What was the other guy that was always doing that stuff, died in his early 60s author? The famous anti-God guy there. A little bunny. Christopher Hitchens. Yes, Hitchens. Some great stories about him. Yeah.

He could drink at lunch and still write a very good little article. There you go. But it could be said that some people have the sort of brain that is physically able to process these experiences while others don't. Richard Dawkins doesn't have the ability to process them. Because we got fucking fluoride in the goddamn water.

We're not doing the fluoride thing. Or goddamn pituitary going to those. Calcify in our third eye. This could be why some people, like Henry, have almost no paranormal experiences. Because of the fluoride? Well, just because his brain may not work that way. That's why I don't drink water anymore.

That's good. I'm going to die of coke now. It could also be why some people experience paranormal activity all the time. Like the British lady with the posh accent who owns the thrift store in Burbank, who told me that she spent her childhood being haunted by the savage ghost of Anne Boleyn.

Oh, yeah, I mean, that's not an LA thing at all. No, that's a totally reputable source. Yeah. Or think about this. The explanation could be that these are actual UFOs. They're pilot craft. There's something in there. There is.

Perhaps that's true. Perhaps. I feel like that's what I've said this constantly in it's hard because people like hard line opinions and they want you to be black and white about it. But I think that it's all many different phenomena happening at once. Yeah.

Like maybe there is a natural arm of it, where you are seeing what one pilot called. I'd like to recently that we might be seeing something that is like the auto immune system of the planet Earth. Like we're seeing these things kind of show up. And they go like, because our presence there excites them and that they are not even really thinking.

They're just some form of plasma that's activated by thought and arrives. And it zips around. What if the Earth is an alien? What if we all are? What if we all are? And we don't know. But if we all are, then none of us are.

We are aliens, though, whenever we go to Mars. But then maybe when we see the orbs, maybe it could be fucking a nudge and bolts UFO in some form of cloaking mechanism. Or it's Earth parts. Could be, man. I'm tired of having opinions. I'm thinking about checking out all together.

Dude, I know that's his whole entire thing. I want to be. I'm slowly but surely coming all the way back around to a Robert Anton Wilson style, like completely just ambivalent about all of it. And just like, I'm a full agnostic about the entire phenomenon. It could be anything. The more you learn, the less you know.

Isn't that strange? It's important to learn. Well, Margaret Fry, for example, she saw that there were plenty of UFO sightings that coincided with earthquakes. So what she decided was that not that earthquakes were causing UFO phenomena. Rather, she decided that UFOs were drawn to earthquakes.

Sure. A lot of times they're seen over natural aquifers. We've talked about that, hidden underground mountain chambers. They are a lot of times you go down and you find that these are kind of seem to be attracting the phenomena. Now, for all her admitted naivete, Margaret Fry was still one of the more reasonable people involved in the Burwin Mountain UFO incident,

as were most of the people involved. Most people were even fucking Andy Roberts, big butt Andy. Even he was reasonable. We get no idea if he has a big butt, but he is big butt Andy. He's got big butt attitude. Yes, he does. And not the good kind. Absolutely not.

But there are some investigators who claim that Burwin Mountain was actually a skirmish in a vast cosmic war that we humans can scarcely comprehend. Unless you go on coast to coast AM and really spell it out. Because then it's actually even less comprehensible. Because I listened to a couple episodes of this young man, recall me young man, speak on this subject. How old is he?

He's 50s. I think he was born in the like 64 or something. He's an animated fellow. It's a bit difficult to follow. But he's got a lot of ideas. We'll see what shakes out of this. Because a lot of it doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. And actually throughout, I would like to know in certain times

what sort of questions did George Norrie ask? Will you tell me? Well, this was actually, it was a guest host. It was a guest host in this series. And he was kind of like pushing back in a way that George never would. Like it was interesting. He was asking some hard questions of Russ Kellett

to see what he, and like Russ Kellett was trying to kind of explain it. But mostly it's come down to it's like, it's a psychic thing, baby. You wouldn't get it if you wanted to. You don't understand. But this is where we break it into. So we have just covered the actually fairly grounded story

of could be several UFO sightings. Maybe there were some boots on the ground. We're talking about how Pat's story, eventually she would recant saying that she saw soldiers. And that's kind of what she said that like maybe there was somebody involved in this, right? Like there was someone, there was a lot of stories about like military men coming in and out,

people seeing a downed UFO on the side of the road, blah, blah, blah. But this is, that's the grounded version. Now we're going into the expanded universe. All right, let's get into it. I really hope that the aliens weren't listening to Nazi marching music before coming to Earth. I actually love Finnish jumping music.

Well, in late 2018, a UFO researcher named Russ Kellett that we've mentioned a time or two, he came forward with what he claimed were leaked government documents about the Berwyn Mountain incident, along with a map that showed the location of an alien base near Berwyn Mountain. Cool.

Absolute facts. It was Kellett's contention. I think that the Berwyn Mountain UFO incident was an intentional operation by the military that involved an alien base located under the sea on the North Wales shoreline. And the explosions heard in the light scene were the result of aerial battles

between UFOs and British fighter jets. No holes. Can you say, can you say under the sea, right? Under the sea. Thank you. Thank you. And of course, located under the sea in the North Wales shoreline.

And unfortunately, Sebastian was lost in that one. And I can't believe it. Another, just another victim of the underground bases versus up top stations of the United States military. I can't even look at lobsters because of the Fernandate for our stream when he had the isopod videos. Disgust of mine.

I can't believe it. But you know what, food videos, I can't look at shellfish anymore. You crush it though. Yeah, you crush it. You're doing a great job. I was vomiting. People were really divided

and that's where we need to be at. Perfect. That's the division that we need. Now, according to Kelly, witnesses saw 80 flashes of light. I don't know how he made that assumption, but he said 80 flashes of light off the North Wales coastline that night, the night of the incident.

So he sort of combines these stories together. Perhaps you can help me to straighten this out a little bit because it was quite confusing. So he starts with, well, if you want to know what's going on, it did better than a mountain incident there. Well, you go do that. A lot of there is in rights. Always a lot of there is in rights.

But it's that you got to start from the very beginning, which is wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-wee. Going back in time there. Oh, hey, bram, look at that. Oh, oh, better not be. It's too far. Go back forward. Whippity whippity whippity.

Yeah, he says whippity whippity whippity whippity. They do say that. They do. They do. Basically, he says it starts with a series of military exercises where this began, where he believes that before anybody saw anything, there was this, which is real, there was documentation that there were exercises going along the coast. Sure.

Yes. And that's the 80 flashes of light. Yes. And what they were dropping was what he said, they were dropping these photo flash bombs to check for things under the sea. Under the sea. They go, they drop these photo flash bombs, they basically illuminate everything from the top of the water down to the very bottom of the ocean, and they were taking a bunch

of pictures. And he was saying that this was not disconnected from what would happen to the Burwin UFO incident. Not disconnected. Yes. He thinks that this is where they were chasing UFOs under the sea. Right. I see. And he was saying that, okay, so the photo flash was the British military.

It happened a couple of days before. A couple of days before. A couple of days before. So that, so there's the photo flashes going on. And then the night of the incident, the night of the Burwin Mountain incident, that was a fight between a UFO that came up out of the water and a fighter jet. Those were, yes, UFOs, they scared out of the water. Right.

And then they sent, even though there was really not a lot of a paper trail for the actual fighting part of it, because that's the one thing that's difficult is that you do actually, they do fill out a lot of paperwork. If they shoot one missile, there's a lot of paperwork that has gone into that. Yeah. You know, so there's normally a long paper trail, but there was none of that. Right. But he's saying, in my mind, is that they scared them up out of the water, which is actually

kind of that. Because now what we know about the so-called UFO slash USOs, that our current military is investigating, we know that whatever this weird shit they're seeing is coming out of the water. So it kind of, it does kind of like parallel the story now, and this story didn't come out to the 2014 blow up the ocean. Well there is at least a tiny bit of corroboration from paranormal author Nick Redfern, who is of course one of our finest paranormal journalists, which is a statement I make without iron.

No. Yes. And of course, you can listen to that fantastic interview we did about five years ago on our Patreon. Good one. See, Redfern reported that an employee at a military facility nearby claimed that a security guard had seen a humanoid, but distinctly non-human creature that quickly dematerialized right in front of him.

Bye bye. It's a great and a bad day to be a security guard because you're like, what the fuck? But then it's gone. You're like, not bad. Oh, and though the problem is like, oh shit, now everybody's going to know I'm fucking crazy. Yeah, that's true. He had a nervous breakdown and was never seen again.

Hey man, what would you do if we were just in truly, like if you're just hanging out and the guy walking into the house, like he just on your way is like an ale, full-on fucking alien. Yeah. That just goes like, bye bye, and then dematerialize, and you're like, that's it. Gone. Yeah, that was the joke he used to make in one of the old live shows. They're like, if Freddy Freaker showed up in your kitchen, you'd lose your mind.

You're done. You'd be in a mental asylum for the rest of your life. Absolutely. Yeah, you go to the woods, you go to the water, you get back to nature. I didn't even think about my stress level. Absolutely. Yeah, you go off the grid. Yeah.

Well, soon after, that same employee said that she heard her superior having a conversation with another high up saying, quote, we have no way of keeping these beings out. We just don't know what to do next. They can get in. Yeah. They can get in. Anywhere. Oh my God.

Even after hours at the local pub. Now, if that is true, then that would mean that there is indeed a war of some sort going on between at least the aliens and the British. Why does it have to be a war? Can't we just get along? Whoa. Whoa. Hey there.

Beat Nick. Come on. Come on there. You some kind of peace guy? If you're going to, the fucking British are going to lose. But that's the thing. If it's with the British, then it's with us because of the special relationship. Special relationship.

You're forgetting about that. No, I'm talking about just America and the US. There are special relationship. We don't have a special relationship with fucking Sweden. We do. We can chocolate and clocks. Not as special as Britain. No.

That's a special relationship. There's a name for it. They call it the special relationship. Yeah. We like, it's like we fuck. Yeah. A special relationship is when like your uncle's just a bachelor, you know, like we don't know what he does.

And that's his best friend, Jeff, that he's been living with for 25 years. 25 years. Aren't they? They're manly men, aren't they? Yeah. Oh yeah, they are. Yeah. But while we've heard a bit about the aerial battles and the possible espionage, what are

the soldiers in this war? Okay. This is where it really gets colorful. I mean, after all, if there are aerial battles, naval battles and breaches at military compounds, then that stands to reason this is a hot war. Oh yes. Yeah. Smoking hot.

Hot wars and aerial battles. Yeah. Yeah. Titties in the bathtub. There we go. Titties in the bathtub. Titties in a bathtub. Hot wars, they usually have ground battles, don't they?

Ground battle between troops. Yeah, but the next war, yeah, we'll do one more ground battle, but then the next war will be fought with sticks and stones. I actually took that from you, and now I actually said it first, so now you took that for me. Isn't that interesting? I hate it. Also, of course, a hot war is when everyone wears lingerie.

Yeah. Yeah. Sexy war. It's a funny war. Well, luckily for us, as it just so happens, Russ Kellett, the same man who claimed to have blown the lid off the Battle of Burwin Mountain, he claims to have also been a ground troop in an intergalactic war between multiple alien races that's been raging for decades. I ain't saying he's wrong.

Well, I ain't saying he's wrong, I would use the same. Is there evidence? Is there evidence? Let's go for it. Is there evidence? Amen. It's an astral thing. Yeah.

Yeah. You wouldn't understand. No, but at some point, I have to. I tell you what, though, if it does poke through to our reality, we're not going to be too happy about that because they are going to cause some true issues. Aliens full on hot war against the rest of us, we're going to have to figure that out. I don't know how well we'll do. I don't know.

We shall merely be pawns in the game. But this is where the Burwin Mountain incident kind of follows this, like he has this idea that this is like this massive battle, like, and so it is interesting because everybody else, including the co-author of the Burwin Mountain incident that he was working with Russ Kellogg, who every time Russ Kellogg speaks goes like, you know, Russ has got a lot of ideas. Like he's like always like jumping in like, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, absolutely. But let's really get back to the Burwin Mountain incident because there's a lot of, it's what

happened with Roswell, too. Yeah. Of course. So a lot of people that kind of jump onto the story that kind of has some weight, it's got some gumption. Yeah. Like people are seeing these UFOs and they're all cooperating it, but he's just like, that's the thing, Ney.

There's also a bit of a surface water there because we get down underneath in the very Peter Buttery incident, so the entire thing there, what you're going to see is a bit of an integrated wall there. Yeah. I get it. I get it. Yeah. Sounds fun.

So he's fighting a war? Yeah, he's fighting a war. Any tangible wounds or? No. Just psychic. Well, okay. We'll get into it. Yeah, is there a wound?

Not necessarily wounds, but effects. Let's say effects. He is affected. Okay. He is affected. He's been fighting UFO books in 2021, but he's been around the British ufology scene since the 1990s. Now, I'm getting mad actually with the ufology.

Actually, every once in a while I do that. I know, I get you. Love it. The first of those books was about Burwin Mountain, roughly, but the second tells an entirely different kind of story. That book is E.T. Rider. It's kind of cool.

It's cool. Ross Cowell's a cool guy. He's cool because he loves motorcycles. He's a motorcycle guy. Honestly, he's just like, he really is. I guess when you hear him talk to, because he's very, you know, a punch in the face. Yeah. No, he's a down-to-earth guy.

Yeah. He calls himself, he's a tell it like it is type of guy. He likes motorcycles. He likes making swords. He likes shooting stuff. He likes martial arts. He likes ancient mysteries. He likes paranormal stuff.

I like this guy. He loves scooters. I love this scooter loving paranormal believing guy. Tell it like it is guys. They mostly need to tell their father like they love them. They need to have that. They need to go through that other way because they're just telling it like they think. Yeah.

It's the rest of us. Yeah. But we also, we shouldn't go too hard on Ross because he says, he does say that he's been bullied most of his life. I just want to see a fucking wound. I don't even care if it's from a bully. Although I will also say that this story definitely sounds like it comes from a guy who's been bullied most of his life, to be fair.

Well, an E.T. writer, Russ Kellogg claims to be a frontline soldier fighting for a mysterious race of aliens in a war in which he did not volunteer. See, I find it interesting because of, you know, it's cool because abductees talk all the time about like, they get pulled into these scenarios and then the intelligences that they're speaking to are saying stuff like you were chosen for a reason. You're a part of a familial line that we deal with. You're supposed to be a message giver and then it always is like somebody with like

a bunch of like, you've got like white lady dreads that have turned into crystals. Yeah. Well, oftentimes it's for people looking for a purpose. Oh yeah. It is. Well, lifelong abductee, Kellogg's experiences were not sexy and strange like David Huggins. Rather his experience was closer to what Michael Castello experienced in New Mexico during the Dulce Wars.

Oh, Dulce. Dulce, yes. Russ said that his first UFO memory was of his father and his coworkers discussing a cigar shaped UFO, which would later be known in the local papers as the faculty torpedo. Wait a second. We're done with Jimmy Savile again. However, no information on the internet exists about said torpedo. Yes.

I guess those records have not been scanned in yet. Well, it just seemed to be a tale amongst friends. They said it was in the paper. It was in the paper. Exactly torpedo. It was in the paper. Well, as far as when Russ himself saw his first UFO, he said that it was seen around heat and woods.

It was a round red and white object that floated for a few moments, moved behind the clouds, and disappeared. This occurred in an area that the teenage kids called the clubby, where they would drink beer, smoke cigarettes, and read porno mags. I mean, my buddies, we had a similar place. We called it the place. Yeah. The clubby.

It's like they're doing cool kids stuff. Yeah. They're doing cool kids stuff at the clubby. The clubby. Yeah. I did the same thing. It was called my principal's office. You looked at porno mags and your friends.

Smoke cigarettes. Oh, it is. Sand in his knee. Yeah. He loved reading the letters out loud. And then I got a bee. They gave me straight bees. That's great bees.

Actually, well worth it. That's not bad. No. But for Russ, he said that it was at the clubby that he was first abducted by aliens. And what seems to be the mid to late 70s, I say seems because Russ can be a little fuzzy when it comes to timelines. So I just kind of extrapolated from the year in which he was born. That's very kind way to say it because I loved Russ Kellett's story.

And I love the book. Everything I read in the book, I love to read. E.T. Writer. Yes. But he definitely has a very difficult time putting things in sequential order. Yeah. He bounces around a lot to the point where it took, I was listening to a four hour coast

to coast episode that took me like two days to listen to because it had to come back to what is he talking about? Because it all seems to talk about motorcycles and then he's talking about something else and you're like, I don't understand. Yeah. It sounds like he needs to stay focused. He does. A little bit.

But I understand. People say I have the same issue. Yeah. I understand. Now Russ said that a bright light appeared above him and he soon found himself in a dentist's chair surrounded by figures who did the standard alien tests and probes while telling him, you have nothing to fear. Everything is fine.

And I love again, I love all of her people from the aisles of the UK and whatnot. But it's also sometimes difficult to understand them when they're saying words that are definitely English. Yeah. Which you can't really understand. Because I just can't understand the accent. It's hard. So there are a lot of words being like, what is he talking about?

Because he was saying two pillars. Two pillars. He was saying pillars. I was like, is that pillars or pillows? And then it was like, I think it was on pillows. Pillows. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Do the aliens have a different accent when they speak to them? That's interesting. Are they American or are they British? They code switching? They might be. They might be. They might be. They might be languages on earth, of course.

Yeah. It's like in Witcher, when everyone else is British, but the witchers have American accents. There you go. It's just like that. Yeah. Just like that. Well, once they were done with their tests and such. What was the test again?

Just a standard alien test. Alien test. Alien test. You have the stuff that we've yet, I don't need to go over it again. Gotcha. You know what I'm talking about. They stab you up the nose. They play with your feet.

Oh, the UFOs are doing this stuff. Yeah. The aliens. Yeah. All that. All that. Yeah. And then, the clubby, it was hours after his last earthly memory, missing time.

Now, once Russ turned 16, he got a Suzuki motorbike and began experiencing episodes of missing time while he was riding home from work. That sadly is like what I know the most from this whole story is Russ breaking down how he got to buy the motorbike back from his father. After his father let him money to go into motorbike schools. What does it have to do with anything, though? It was really a long story about motorbike acquiring. Yeah.

You know, is it possible that he was drugged at the said clubby and horrible things? Well, the thing is the pushback from the, forget the guest host name and coast to coast, but he was like, could you possibly have borderline personality disorder? Whoa. It was a big jump. Wow. That's a big one. Yeah.

And he was like, yeah, they hold you. He's like, yeah, he's like, oh yeah, I'll meet my mates. We love that Madonna song. We've been obsessed with it. Borderline. Well, these missing time episodes coincided with Russ's visits to a place called Druid's altar in the town of Bingley. Everyone wears little bells.

It's cute. Druid's altar is a rocky outcrop in West Yorkshire that said to have a connection to Druid worshiping tradition. According to legend, this had once been the site where a Roman legion had mysteriously disappeared after having a run in with some Druids. Cool. Well, that's a fight I want to see. Oh, yeah.

That's a thing. What the fuck is a Druid? Well, all we know a Druid's, it's actually somewhat unclear because all we know about Druid's come from Roman legions because they did not keep written records of themselves. Yeah. They were an oral tradition and then they would, I don't know if they believe that they, I think the concept was that they didn't want to leave evidence behind. I'm not exactly sure, but the Druids are very mysterious.

Yeah. It's kind of cool. We know they existed, but we only have one perspective. We have the perspective of the enemy. But while we don't have a lot of information about Bingley's Druid altar specifically, the rock still has a mystical presence. It's like Stonehenge, and Kellet often used the site to meditate. That's cool.

Also, by the way, Stonehenge is less exciting when you just see how they did it and they just weeble wobble the Stonehenges. It just, it just shows how. Understanding human beings are very capable. We are capable. Now strange lights. I mean, not us, but. No, no, no.

It's a speech. I get tired from talking. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go take a nap after this. You have to. Now strange lights have been seen at Druid's altar as well as UFOs and allegedly alien frogmen.

There has also been reports of cats that are far too large. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie.

Oh, my God. That cat's the size of a cow. What is it doing there? Wow. So big fucking cats. Big cats. Big cats. I don't.

You don't want to go over there. It's a cat over there. It's almost the size of a dog. Wow. It could just be a larger cat. No, man. It's a cat that's too big. It's too fucking big, man.

Cats can get kind of large. The big ones. The big cats. Yeah. I actually am fascinated by stories of animals that are just too big. Just too big. I love it. It's just the idea of like a four.

We covered this this week. The idea of a four-foot-tall rabbit. Yeah. I love that type of shit. I love the idea of thunderbirds. It's just too big, man. Too big. Too fucking big.

I agree. Of course, that also plays into the Goblin Universe theory. Maybe Druid's altar is a doorway into the so-called Goblin Universe. Oh. You remember the Goblin Universe, don't you? New blog. Of course. Cat Daddy University.

It's in the other universe. I know all about the Goblin Universe. Now, as Russ's experiences with missing time and his meditation sessions at Druid's altar began to converge, he found himself in another abduction scenario, sitting in the same dinners chair that he'd found himself in the first time. This time, though, he was able to see the figures far clearer. At first, I couldn't really see the shapes of the heads, but then I knew I was always hairless.

There's something going on there. I can't see his bibbidi-bop face. Whoa. So blurry face. He's been with no hair, wearing white aprons over blue onesies. A lot of aprons and alien wear. Well, I would believe that, especially if they're doing the procedures, and their faces are blurry, right?

So you can't make them out? No, he can see them. He can't see features. He can't see the features like a dream. But let me ask you this. I did see this once, but maybe he confirmed it on coast to coast. Were they about 10 feet tall? Yes.

Okay. All right. He said there was an array of sizes. Gotcha. 10 feet at most. He's like, one was eight feet there. Another one was a bit of a 10-footer. He's like, oh, it's 15 feet of an alien.

Oh, they go up to 15. And then that author keeps coming to me, like, hey, listen, hey, just so you know. But the Burwin Mountain Incident was cooperated by several different sort. And then he'd be like, but then, you know, he took me on my motorbike and I don't remember anything else. There's a blood ball on me. And then he's just like, hey. He was a cool, like watching everybody fight over a narrative was kind of fun.

They did live here. They would probably take just a generation or two to shrink down about a foot and a half, two feet. Oh, yeah, they can just do themselves just by stupid. Well, Russ said he felt a prick, which caused him to black out. And when he awoke, there was a pipe in his throat coming out of his mouth attached to a helmet. Cool.

Russ said he felt as if he was naked and floating. Then he felt himself being sprayed by something that had a strange smell. He's in the sack from the Matrix. I find that one of the more compelling things about the abductions is people talking about smells. Yeah. Smells and sounds are really interesting because that's how our brain kind of works with memory, really, especially smells.

And people always say that because they say grays smell like rancid cinnamon. Yeah. And the idea of specific, it's very specific and it comes up again and again and again. Yes. Well, Mrs. Abrowski, so we've decided that maybe the special classes are for Henry. And we think it's going to be great and it's going to fit right in the thing is they thought I was mentally handicapped and because I had a hard time tying my shoes, but then they actually said I was so smart, I was getting distracted.

I could see it's a fine line, all of us are towing a fine line because it was right between it. I could have been in remedial classes, but then all of a sudden I was in gifted classes. Wow. Awesome. You flipped real fast. There you go. Well, as Russ levitated higher, he found that he was in an arena filled with about a hundred

other people telepathically. He and the others were given instructions for weapons training, battle formations and other techniques used to fight and kill other humanoids. It's like cone heads. Yeah. That's fun. Oh, yeah. It's a neo-like experience.

You're right, Ben. After that, Russ floated back down to the ground. And after the throat helmet was removed, he found he was in a giant room with hundreds of other people listening to orders being barked from a nearby speaker. It's so funny because it's just the diametric opposite of a lot of other Aelian abduction stories because most of them you'd always get like a screen that shows them the future of the planet and being like, you need to stop nuclear war and like that type of shit. And this has just been like, no, we're fucking killing him.

Yeah. It's fucking doomed. It's very militarized. It is. No, I just, I just imagine like out of the loudspeaker, just gonna be fucking great. The same type of tall figures from the dentist chair were also present, and they ordered Russ and the others to drink from a pipe, which produced a pleasant liquid with a citrus-like flavor.

However, it caused Russ to vomit, but he was ordered to keep drinking nonetheless. It was drink, drink, drink, drink, ayahuasca perhaps, perhaps, until finally a mist surrounded everyone in the room. Russ became, as he said, very wet. He was wet. Yeah. I'd never always be scared of the tall white man. Very, very wet.

Very wet. Which the tall figure said was necessary to prevent, quote unquote, infection. Whatever you say, y'all. Russ then felt very dry. Oh, very dry. Why was that necessary? Ah, but he also felt pleasant. See, it's about trust.

Okay. And after drying off, Russ was given a one-piece suit with no zippers or buttons. It simply fastened together around his body as it was put on, like a suit made of unstable molecules. It's like Fantastic Four type shit. Chloe and Talie Marvel, like CGI is all explanation of why we have to see everybody's superstars face in all the movies now, because all the suits are made out of nanomachines. Yeah.

So interesting take. That's all it is now. If they all have to, all the suits have to be made out of nanomachines, so you could see Chris Evans fucking face. Yeah, but don't you want to see Chris Evans face? No. No, Chris Evans, no. Captain America.

I want to see a fucking mask. Captain America. Captain America. Well, where's the helmet? Yeah, he's stupid. He is the, you picked the one superhero out of all. There's a lot of actually superheroes that you can't see their faces. You picked the only one who wears the helmet.

I literally shouldn't even fucking, I shouldn't have even brought it up. You can see, yeah. Ant-Man's dumb. He's small. Yeah. Oh, shit. No, Ant-Man's fun. Yeah.

The first movie was really good. But you can see most superheroes' faces, actually. A lot of them. And the Incredible Hulk could still his face. Yeah, technically, it's like just a bigger face. Incredible Hulk, my favorite. I love the Incredible Hulk. I do like him.

I'm always angry. I'm just inner peace. I just imagine myself. Honestly, it's been really helping with me and my blood pressure, just hearing this whole story. One third. Just imagining that I'm in a tube filled with other warriors. I got my throat helmet in.

I'm ready to kill. I don't know what humanoids were killing. I don't know. I haven't specified who were fighting. Not yet. You don't know who you're fighting until you show up. Not yet. Okay.

For us, said he felt invincible as the suit cycled through colors from white to yellow to green to blue to black. The suit was, as he put it, unbreakable. Cool. I think his suits were, every human suit was unbreakable, right? His narrative can be quite unclear. It is deeply, utterly unclear. But because this is, again, he's ramping up.

This is like this point in the story is about an hour into the Coast to Coast series that I saw. I have not yet gotten to the Burwin Mountain Incident and how all of this was attached to it, which I can feel the audience listening to us being like, why are we here? And it's because Russ Kellett decided to tell the story this way, because he decides that all of this is connect back to the Burwin Mountain Incident. And we're going to see, does it? Does it connect back?

We'll see. Let's see. Let's see. As his uniform fitted, Russ was ordered to pick up a rifle and a helmet. It's cool. Now, at this point, it became clear that Russ was on his way to battle to fight some sort of unknown enemy. Now, this helmet served two purposes.

First, commanders could speak through an intercom to the soldiers to issue orders, like a coach to a quarterback, but the helmet also protected human ears from the incredibly loud noises caused by their rifles, which, without the helmet, would have caused their ears to bleed. It's very specific. When we kitted out, the human soldiers were then ordered to walk through portals marked by crystal balls, obvious teleportation machines. And when they arrived at their destination, they were finally faced with their enemy. It was who else?

Who? Ten-foot-tall. Gray-green. Yes. Reptilian. It's on the way. Wow, what is it good for, killing reptilians? Dude, Reptilian's versus Terminator would be one of the greatest movies of all time.

There's so many ways to expand these franchises, they're just not doing it, and I wish that they would. I know. But by following orders, staying calm and relying on their gear, the humans were able to best the reptilians in battle. Now, I'll be the struggling host of Coast to Coast, who's just like, okay, Russ, that's great, that's great. Now, can you just please tell me, so when did this take place?

How long was it? And he was just like, it's only medrines. It's only medrines. It's only medrines. Time was... And it still happened. It's only medrines, but it still happened. To be honest with you, I don't think the reptilians would lose.

Well, reptilians, again, it depends on... Aren't they like the most intergalactical, like intergalactical war machine-type creatures? I'm telling you guys right now, we're going to be doing a big David Ike series this summer. When we do that, you will see that in order to beat the reptilians, you have to fight them in an almost care-bear-like way, where you're not really, to be honest, this is not how you fight reptilians. You don't fight them with guns. You fight them with...

We're going to do David Ike. You're supposed to put, like, flowers in their weapons. You're supposed to be like, no, man, peace. You're supposed to fight them with good vibes. Because of the aliens. Like Kylie Jenner and the Pepsi commercial. Yes. The reptilians feed off of our bad vibes.

That's why they're here. Well, they're going to have a fucking field day. Yes. Oh, they love it. Yeah. They cause all... Everything bad that's ever happened is caused by reptilians, because reptilians want our bad emotions and also our gold?

Well, yes. The gold is the physical part. Yeah, we're off of that gold. They can have the gold at this point. Well, that's why they made humans to begin with, because we were the burrowing race of species that they created in order to dig for gold, so they could use burrowing hands. We got... Fuck you!

How fucking dare you? I don't know. I don't know. But no, man, we got hands to operate the equipment. This is the thing that we had the argument we had the other day about being at the top of the food chain. Right. We got hands to operate the equipment.

That's why we are made with the hands. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Yes. They could have also, again, Monster's Inc. And he flip it and make it turn it to left. What if the reptilians wanted to go left?

They didn't. No, they don't. The Pleiadians wanted to go left. Oh, is that right? But Pleiadians also believed they're not fucking with us as a species. Technically, we were supposed to not be messed with. We were a... Technically, the earth was supposed to be used as sort of a natural sanctuary within

our specific part of the Galactic Empire, but the reptilians broke that treaty by messing with the species that were on this rock. Yeah. I didn't see that on Google Earth. And imagine what kind of life it would be if we left constantly. Well, no. Technically, that's how we live. If you did get the dopamine hit with it and it wasn't horrible and you were just laughing

at human genocide, if you were laughing truly at things that are funny, yes, but I do see it could be very imbecilic. But if everything is funny, is nothing funny? Yes. We're back here. I just wanted... The Burwin Mountain Incident actually is one of the more credible sighting experiences and I really feel that if we look at some of the full information I pulled out.

No, it's fairly clear that the people giving orders to Ruskellop were the total number of tall whites. Okay. But Rusk doesn't use that term. No. Instead of using something that's accepted and easy to remember, he calls them... A venti. I hate it.

It's a Starbucks... It's a large cough. It's a Starbucks show. He calls them the tall white bald aliens or the TWBA. He's allowed to. Yeah. This is ufology. Okay, but they're still tall whites.

No, the TWBA. In Rusk... TWBA, I like it. I mean... It sounds like a wrestling coalition. I'm fine with it. Well, Rusk nicknamed his TWBA commander Judas and claimed that they were both a part of a platoon called the Omega Regiment, whom Rusk would fight with throughout his cosmic

campaign. Okay. And what's the battle with the Reptilians was over? Because the Reptilians aren't the only enemy here. Okay. Rusk returned to his barracks where he was transported back to Earth. From what I can tell, though, because it's, again, unclear, I don't think Rusk remembered what happened upon his return.

Well, yes. Cause... In the book, he says that he only remembered that all this happened years after it happened during memory regression. Yes. And up until that point, he thought, I think that he was just having blackouts and weird health problems. Yeah.

He just was... He really just didn't stack this story in a way that made a lot of sense. He jumped right into his war dreams and not into the fact that he was suffering from missing time. He was seeing objects in the sky and he said, like, you know, one of them was there was hard evidence, a quote-unquote hard evidence, of him experiencing an episode of going away where he said his buddy saw him stop at a stoplight in his scooter for five minutes and people were, like, hunkering their horn at him and he was just, like, staring off

into space and then he'd come back and be like, so all he did was it a bit of an intergalactic war there. Yeah. And they were like, great. You know, like, cool. Like, but you're doing work. Yeah. If he was...

If he was to set all that... All of this alien stuff up with that... Yes. And quite possibly it could be a little more of an interesting story as far as the term normal goes. It's interesting. It's very interesting narrative. You just disagree with his outline.

You would have just re-arranged the outline. You would re-arrange the outline. Yeah. We're talking from an editor's perspective here. Sure. Maybe he needed one of those. Yeah, I think he did. Yes, he did.

Now, once Russ returned to Earth, he also returned to normal life. He returned to visiting his Nana for tea. He returned to his job, cleaning and repairing overalls for coal miners and other British industrial workers. That's a great job. That's a good work. I love a good gig. Steady work.

Sometime later, though, the TWBA returned while Russ was climbing rocks in an area called Bale d'Enmore. This time, though. Not a mountain. Just climbing on little rocks. England's full of rocks, dude. Okay. Especially on the moors.

They love rocks. There's a big rock. I'm gonna go climb that big rock. I would love to. If I lived in England... You're a climber. I'd climb those big rocks all the time. I know.

I think Alistair Crowley. That's all he did. Especially if I could go to a place called Bale d'Enmore. Bale d'Enmore. This time, though, that during this battle, it was with the alien greys. And once again, Russ won the battle before being returned to Earth. You can hear that a lot. Nice.

Are we back to Gilles de Ré? Mm-hmm. Fly from your grave. Next, Russ was abducted and sick on the Green Dragon race, who sort of became the main villains in Russ's story. Interestingly, the dragons had their own human soldiers, like Russ. Because that's the thing. Russ isn't the only human soldier.

Okay. Russ and a bunch of other dudes that are all fighting other alien races who also have their army of dudes. He really... Wait, this is... He brings up the Chinese people quite a bit as well. I think he does fight. He does talk a lot about...

He fights many Chinese and what he calls Slavic people. Is it an allegory for Vietnam? No, it's just... He's just choosing. He's just choosing. It's just in his brain. Yeah. This, I suppose, implies that each alien race had a treaty of sorts with certain countries.

And it was obvious that the TWBA had a treaty with the British. This was seemingly confirmed with Russ when, during one of his abduction battles, he allegedly fought with who else but British pop star, Robbie Williams. And Robbie Williams loves this shit. Take that indeed. Yeah. Speaking with the Daily Star in 2020, Russ Kellogg claimed that during a 1999 abduction, he saw a British singer and well-known UFO believer, Robbie Williams, during one of his military

missions. Lucky guy. I believe this delighted Robbie Williams. I absolutely guarantee it did. I would think so. While waiting in line to go through the crystal ball teleportation device, Kellogg said he looked behind him and recognized the young man online. That's, as the British say, they don't say inline.

They say online. I'm neutral. Well, New York also, they say online as well. Inline online. I don't... I never heard that during the 16 years. No, it says online. Really?

He says it online. I didn't fuck the Queens that much. It's New York. All of you... You're in it. You're not online, but I don't... It's online. For me.

It's inline. It doesn't matter. I'm neutral. I'm neutral on most shit. Well, he recognized the young man behind him as who else but former take that singer, Robbie Williams. And this is just after Millennium. It's just after the first solo hit.

I love Mr. Robbie. It's hard to book him after that. Yeah. It's huge. Kellogg said that he asked the guy, hey, are you Robbie Williams? And the guy who was allegedly Robbie Williams said, I don't know. Yeah, man. He's in a spectral world about to fight a war against fucking reptilians.

He doesn't know who he used to be. Yeah. And at that point, an alien shouted at Kellogg to get back in line. He said in line specifically. Oh, so you know, it's different. Yes. Different. Kellogg never saw Robbie again, but he was sure that he'd seen Robbie Williams.

This is also when he finally released some of his footage. Rush Kellogg has had his footage hidden for a long time. And he did a footage of what was called, quote unquote, a flying man that he put up. And it is just kind of like a blob. Some people call it a flying dolphin. Yeah. Okay. When asked about Kellogg's claims, Robbie Williams surprisingly responded.

He had a cheeky, but non-committal answer. He said, no comment. Yeah, he loves it. Whoa. No comment is a comment. He loves it. Now, Russ was apparently pretty good at what he did. So he was promoted within the Omega Regiment again and again.

This is all inside of his world, man. Yeah. At one point it was discovered that Russ had a telepathic ability, which allowed him to feel when the dragon race was teleporting to the different areas of the battle before they materialized there. And I really can't stress this enough. When we talk about it in the book, cause there's a lot of witness cooperation to the Burwin Mountain incident.

You would actually be, you would be surprised just how much, how much real evidence there is attached to it. It does seem like he's just kind of plucking at any ideas that he has. We know it's Robbie Williams. And then he's like, ooh, Asian people, dragons. And so I don't know. It seems human in a sense. It does.

Yeah. And then between earth and wherever the crystal ball teleporters were taking him for these battles, he began to experience some adverse effects. He started vomiting blood. See, this is interesting because he did get started getting physically sick. Yeah. And for some reason, traffic lights were giving him panic attacks. Couldn't figure out why.

That's why I always blow through them. Yeah. But no matter the damage to his body, the TWBA kept abducting Russ, telling him that he was special, that he was one of them. And pretty soon Russ began seeing a TWBA looking back at him when he looked in the mirror. Cool. So Russ, he shaved off his head and his eyebrows. Man, that's like, you turn into sort of like Bjork stalker at that point.

Yeah. Kind of a little tear up, tear up the picture of the Pope there. What's her name? I love that. I hope she's doing okay out there. I hope she's doing okay too. Well, this apparently ingratiated Russ to the TWBA who promoted him to team leader. Oh, does he get a little, does he get a plaque?

Well, this of course gave Russ even more confidence when he battled and defeated a smaller blue color dragon race who used Eastern Europeans as their human support soldiers. The Polish. The Polish. That's us. We're sturdy. We're sturdy. We're sturdy.

We're good for an alien war. I wish more people would use this. I want to be with the dragons to be honest with you. That's like, I think that they're probably going to win. There's a new, a new top chef. There's a Polish woman who won top chef Poland. Man, she's fucking trucking, dude. She's a real, she's like, I'm a potato lady.

I keep saying I'm a potato lady. And I was like, you are, I love you potato lady. She is a potato lady. But seemingly because Russ was so fucking good at what he did, he found that the alien attacks began to spill out into his hours on the earthly realm. Okay. One night he said he was chased by a silver ball while he was riding his motorcycle. But thanks to Russ's awesome motorcycle skills, the ball gave up and flew away off

into the sky. Very phantasm. It's a huge book. It sounds like it. The next day, however, it was found that Russ's face was red and splotchy. See this is, I see this. Yeah. And when he went to the doctor, he was asked if he'd been near anything giving off heavy

radiation. He kept his mouth shut, however, and his face healed in two weeks. Like the continuation of blood vomit, stomach pain and fatigue. Yeah. He was mad because he went to the doctor and the only guy gave him was a bunch of cream. Yeah. Yeah. Doctors always don't have the answers to.

No, no, they don't want to hear. Well, they don't, they don't want to hear the whole story. I think doctors are actually very bitter these days because they don't make as much money as YouTubers. I actually have been thinking about that. I think they're angry. They're very angry. I've been trying to figure out my problems.

Like I've had to like go through a lot of really angry, better doctors who have given up completely. Not all of them have. I've got a couple of fantastic doctors now, but a lot of them have given up. I think they just get really upset. Oh, yeah. Especially when you come in and you're like, you have a sunburn and you're like, oh, I'm a poet of the hidden S-du-la-ly and all.

You're like, listen, dude, I just got a fucking, you have any assholes I have to look at today? This is the 90s. Yeah. This is the 90s. Yeah. Maybe they were a little happier then. Maybe. Well, we were all a little happier.

Yeah. Bill Clinton was rocking it, blowing that saxophone. We were talking before for recording the innocent scandals when it was just about sticking a cigar in a woman and then going to the McDonald's all the time. They were on tour in Kosovo. Oh, yeah. Kosovo. I'm always singing in Kosovo.

That lipstick factory that we blew up. Yeah. There's some scandals there. We're down in Florida Keys. There's a place called Kosovo. That's where we want to go to get away from it all. I can't wait until I'm fucking 50, bro. When I am fucking 50, dude, it's a nonstop Margaritaville music, nonstop good time tunes

did. Thank you. You just spilled coffee. Yeah. That's part of Margaritaville. That is spilling coffee. It's spilling ice coffee all over yourself right after you sing Kokomo. I don't even care.

That's the goal. Yeah. Well, as his sickness got worse, Russ said he was visited by a 15 foot tall shadow man who appeared in his bedroom at night. So we got dragons. We got shadow people. We got tall whites. We got little.

We got a fucking cast of aliens. It's the menagerie, man. Well, this shadow man placed images of war into Russ's head, horrific scenes of people dead in the streets, perhaps some sort of psychological warfare. Perhaps after more blood vomit, though, Russ was taken to hospital where he recovered. But once he was better, that's when the TWBA came back. So you got to go back to the front line. You know, throw up that much blood.

Yeah. Let him out. Is there a way to get out? I don't know. I don't think there's reserves. This whole thing is involuntary. And it's about this time that he's realizing that he's being used. The TWBA are using them.

Every soldier does have that moment. Oh, yes. Yeah. Well, once in their custody, the TWBA introduced Russ to a fellow telepath named Mandy, who said that the dragon race had put out a bounty on all telepaths. In case you didn't know, they've been coming for all telepaths. So that's how I, but I knew it. You know, I am.

How? I'm a telepath. I'm just one of those, you know, I, I'm extra sensitive and I, it's the reason why I can't work. Yeah. I totally understand. It's emotionally difficult to do anything. I hear your thoughts and I know you just want to fuck me.

No, I actually was just thinking about that. I know what you're thinking about. How all you want to do is push my little piggy body out. And I know you just want to come on the back of my head. You filthy pervert. And guess what? You're allowed. No, thank you.

I just lost a fucking real close game of the Raiders yesterday. Another wish granted by Mandy, the telepath. Thanks, Mandy. I really wish that people understood the simplicity of my brain just slightly better. Yeah. It's complex, but difficult. Well, the telepath complex, but quite difficult. Yes.

It's both of those things. Yes. Like a truly good breakfast sandwich. Oh, interesting. God, I miss. That's the, that's the only thing I miss from New York. Hank's bagels. Breakfast sandwiches.

Dude, I, Hank's bagels. You're all lying to yourselves with Hank's bagels. I'm sorry, but you're just fine. No, well, he is bagels, but I do understand that. No, no, no, no. Just breakfast sandwiches. Breakfast sandwiches. Yeah.

No, I'm with you. Just breakfast sandwiches. You just got to make your own. Yeah. There's a place that I found. I'll let you know about it. Thank you. Don't blow them up because I want to find it.

Yeah. I appreciate. Yeah. That's why you let me know off air. Right. Thanks. I appreciate that. I lost my place thinking about breakfast sandwiches.

I know I'm low on breakfast sandwiches. Well, perhaps this hunting of telepaths. Could that have been the mission of the silver ball? All right. Now we're finally back. We're finally back to the Burwin Mountain incident. We're fine. Like this is, and I remember too, in the episode,

I'll be like, Jesus fucking Christ. And then I was like, all right. Yeah. I was like, what am I even listening to? After returning to earth, Russ was teleported to Mars to battle a much larger orange dragon race. A larger orange dragon race.

Yeah. Much larger orange dragon race. After he got the special implants installed in his eyes that showed the map of the battlegrounds. It's a whole thing. Yeah. Okay. But he won again.

Good. Got to. It seems like he's undefeated. He's like six and oh at this point. Yeah. But in his next battle, Russ and the rest of Omega Regiment were pitted against the white dragon race.

The white dragons, according to Russ, are the most dangerous of all the enemies. Yeah. So they're cross burnings and fucking white robes. I don't know. That's what they call them grand wizards. No, I know. I thought they were called the Cyclops.

I don't fucking know. It's all those nerds call themselves. Well, from how the TWA put it to Russ, the white dragons used humans for slave labor and sex slavery. We're horrible at work. Yeah. But we're good at automate.

This is fucking and fucking. Yeah. We can do this fucking and fucking, but honestly these aliens need to automate. Yeah. I mean, I suppose, I mean really the big reason is that we're apparently very much disliked by the rest of the galaxy.

Everyone really just, like just really don't like it. If you could install the galactic empire or something, always say that we're backwoods area. Yeah. And we're far away from everybody. We're only good for working and fucking, which is honestly, thank you.

Yes, please. Come get us. Let's go. This is perhaps statements like that. The reason why they hate us. Who cares what they think? I'm me. If they can't handle me at my worst,

and they don't deserve me in my sex slavery. Yeah, absolutely not. Because I will fucking suck. I'll do what I can do. That's the one thing you'll fucking get me in there. I mean, we may not be good workers, but we got fun holes. Yeah.

Absolutely we do. Stretch them out. Now the white dragons were flanked by Chinese soldiers. Always. But Russ once again prevailed. And prevailed again. And again, throughout several more battles, including one against the TBBA,

the tall blue-balled aliens. He's just got, he comes up with a lot of different ideas. He does. Before that battle, however, Russ said he participated in a ceremony, kind of a pump-up pep rally, where he heard this rousing speech given by an alien, I think a TWBA,

that he paraphrased in his book, Henry, if you will, please. And it starts with, Man, I feel like a woman. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Hey, we stand together as one to fight our enemies. Some time ago, it was found of a plan to destroy my home planet,

along with my race. And to move on to all the other planets in the goddamn universe. We can get some patent music going on here. Our scientists and technical departments have been working nonstop to prevent the catastrophe, which would amount to what you have seen so many times before in your history as genocide.

We are not a warring race, even though that's all we seem to be doing. Yeah, it does seem to be pretty common and popular. But some of our race chose to stand and fight and fight alongside you, and hope to end this war once and for all. Go now to end this war. This is our independence. There it is.

Bill Pullman coming through. Okay, not the most uproarious speech. No, I just want to say that... Going out to end this world, it's certainly not General Patton. No, it is not. No, no, no, no, no. And if I could just get you to just read through

the Burwin Mountain incident book. If you could just look at it and understand that, you know, there's a lot of other details. We love Russ. We love Russ's energy. We love what Russ brings to the table. Blood vomit. Blood vomit.

I like that. He came back and started vomiting up blood. You like that? Now I got your attention again. You're not tangible evidence. Yeah. But then he was just like... He came down to you.

He's like, if I only got a doctor diagnosed me with something, he said it was straight up fibromyalgia. Fibromyalgia. It's chronic fucking Malaysia. I don't know. He said that after all of these... It's fibromyalgia. I'm actually just so pissed off.

I actually do feel like for all of you suffering from fibromyalgia, maybe this is the time for you to ask your doctor am I a sniper in a war with the white dragon alien races? Ask. Am I a time traveling telepath? Just think about it for a second and maybe that will fix your problem. Do I have teleportation sickness? Wait until your fucking doctor says yes.

You just go to internet poison now. Well, a couple more battles followed against some 10 foot tall Egyptians with red skin and black hair. Some of them had bull heads. Some of them had horse heads. I think he just said Egyptian because they look like hieroglyphics. Sure. Those creatures fought alongside the greys.

The Nordics were there. Six foot tall with long blonde hair. He doesn't call them the Nordics. But with that victory, Russ apparently cosmic campaign over. He's done. Flawless victory. Mission accomplished. I mean the credits.

Defeats. Not a single defeat. Does he address that? No. Coast to coast how he... No, he doesn't. No, no, no. He's not breakadocious.

He's not breakadocious. When it comes to the actual... He talks about his kind of his abduction experiences. But when it comes to this full-on alien war stuff, every single time he brings it up, the author steps in. Yeah. Literally goes like,

well, that's not really what we're really here to discuss today. Like he's... Because he keeps trying. He's like, hey, we'll be surprised. Hey, there's no atheists, there's no folks. But what if everybody's an alien? You know, you're like,

I just... We're all just like, okay, Russ. Yeah. But that's not where his story ended. If we extrapolate from his 1999 experience with Robbie Williams, it seems like Russ founded the Bradford Research Network UFO Group in the early 2000s, I think.

So this is when, yes, he started really getting into legit UFO research. Because when all of these things were happening, he was growing more and more obsessed with UFOs and he made it his entire life. Yeah. Well, this is, of course, before, long before, Russ realized that he was an intergalactic telepathic hero.

Oh. Yeah. So he spent years following up on reports called into this hotline, like the incident in which several children in Pembrokeshire, Pembrokeshire, Pembrokeshire saw a flying saucer along with a humanoid in a silver suit. Because Margaret Frye never actually wrote a full book

based on this event. And she was the one that did a lot of the legit, hard core, ephological nuts and bolts research that we kind of like pull a very grounded story from that's very why they think of this as the Roswells, the whales version of Roswell. But Russ jumps in to reinvigorate this story with a bunch of new shit.

So this is after the fact. This is many, many years, because I don't think the book came out, I think, in 2014 that they're talking about. Pretty recent. And he brings it all back around to this other reporter. There was a freelance reporter that wrote the book with him that basically was like,

oh, this is a huge story we need to talk about. And as he was doing it, Russ Kellogg gave him all this good information on the Burrowin Mountain incident and eventually started to slide in, you know, I'm an alien infantry member. And he's just like, okay, go right. And then you're fucked because this is your guy now.

That's your guy. At any point does it turn anti-Semitic? No. Thankfully it doesn't. Just a bit anti-Chinese. I wouldn't say it's anti-Chinese. He might use the wrong word to refer to the Chinese every once in a while,

but it's not necessarily anti because he mentions many, many races. He said they were unwitting humans. They were brought into an alien galactic conference. Boom, okay. But at least it's not anti-Semitic. Very impressive. Well, eventually though,

Russ began hearing about something strange that had happened decades before on January 23, 1974 around the Burrowin Mountains in Wales. Russ began his own investigation starting with interviews of old-timers at the local pub. Great. Not a bad place to start. No.

Very fun. There he found one witness who said that 100 soldiers had been in the streets of the village on the night in question. They were not prone to exaggeration. Now, other witnesses joined in saying that they'd seen a UFO get hit by a missile that was fired from a jet fighter. And supposedly possible physical evidence

of a kind from this battle was produced. I love that idea of just a nice warm pub everyone drinking their little drinks. Saint Alien stories? Yes, Saint Alien stories. His main... He got glued into a story of a group of guys saying that they saw a UFO and dudes packing shit up

on the side of a road. And that's kind of where it all started. And then he got really obsessed with the Burrowin Mountain incident because he traced it from there. The problem is that a lot of guys, they want to get involved in the story. They want to say something that's fun and interesting. They want to one-up their mate.

So it is... I don't know what came out after the fact, but he started piling together other sightings that were happening in the same months. It's a good pub tale. It is. And so Russ began putting together a timeline. Two sets of witnesses said that

they saw a jet fighter shoot down a UFO. And a group of men, as Henry said, they saw supposedly a landed UFO surrounded by grays carrying weapons and carrying an injured comrade at the same time. Another couple said they encountered a quote-unquote injured frogman. Although I'm not sure if they mean a frogman

in the sense of the lost OJ Simpson TV pilot, the frogman, or an actual man who is a frog. I'm pretty certain it's a man who is a frog. It's not like a Navy SEAL, because those are called frogman's frog. No, I think it's just a frog-shaped man. Which, again, I think is quite prevalent in the UK. And so Russ extrapolated and concluded,

I think that the cosmic war that he was involved in had spilled over to the Earth, and Burwin Mountain was the highly visible result. Again, that's Russ Kallit's world. We're all just living in it. I understand it. I love jumping into the side quests and side of the minds of the people

that are in our UFO stories. But the core of the story is still very interesting. The Burwin Mountain incident, there was a lot of corroborating evidence around it. And then you just wonder whether, because abductees, they deal with very intense, large, kind of mythos that they're dropped in the middle of. But I don't know what that is.

I don't know whether or not, when we experience something anomalous like that, we then also connected deeply into the collective unconscious, and then we're experiencing the memories of soldiers. I find that could be credible. And it's just as hard to fight in the war, isn't it? Just as hard as the memories, huh? Yeah, man.

If I go back to New Vietnam, you're homeless, you don't have any money. Well, I fucking know what you're going through, bro. Because I washed apocalypse now. I saw that film. I saw that. You know, I, you know, I love this story. It's good. It's good and deep.

But this month, we're going to get into a lot of other shit. Yeah, we are. We're going to get some weirder stuff. We're doing some general weirdness next week, a little bit of shorter topics, because we're about to do a big old mama drama history series. Big, big, big. Which I'm very excited for.

But then we're doing, we're going to get into a little blood before that, because I know some of you are blood thirsty. You absolutely are. Of course, there's a never, never enough blood there for some people. Okay. Also, April 16th, I'm going to be at the Levity Live.

So that'll be fun. So check that out. And then we have the Pac Theater. That's going to be for April 19th. I'm going to be doing classy night out. You can check that out on Eventbrite. You can look that up April 19th. But also we've got last comic book on the left volume 3.

Yeah. It is available. It's no, I think it's a pre-order deal again. No, I believe we're ready to go. I think we're ready to go here. You go and order it. Last comic book on the left over at Z2Comics.com. Yeah.

Check it out. We did a lot of good work. Went into it. We're starting already to build. Number four. Very fun. And I'd also like to thank our friend Grant Gordon and his lovely wife, Ashley,

for teaching me how to say, horrible in a wonderful long either way. Horrible. Horrible. We'll give credit where credit is due. Thank you all so much for listening. Thanks for supporting all the shows here on The Last Podcast Network. And thanks for supporting the little serious shows that we do as well.

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And me, I think that went pretty well. Wait. All that's pretty much. I love that. That's it, pretty nice. Fight the worry of your dreams. Oh, yeah. That's going to totally.

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