Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 530: The Chicago Rippers Part I - A World of Nightmares

Episode Date: May 6, 2023

Welp… you asked for it… it’s gold star time! This week the boys crack open the twisted tale of The Chicago Rippers (the breast obsessed Robin Gecht and his three accomplices: Edward Spreitzer, and brothers Andrew and Thomas Kokoraleis), a satanic cult and organized crime team responsible for the disappearance and heinous murders of at least 17 women in the early 80’s.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started You know mostly I like episodes that encourage people to show their breath You know, you're gonna done right up top, aren't you? Oh, yeah, it is male female dog. I really wish more of our material I'll see a dog's tits. I know you will. You know, I see dog's tits every day of my life He loves to and he loves every second of it The many Georgey it's time for your mandatory belly rub. Yeah, I give her belly rubs all the time

She's a little girl. So she has tits You are the one who's saying stop sexualizing corgis. Oh, Georgie's tits are for Georgie's babies that she's not having I actually have some big news from the Kissel household, but I don't want to hear your humor about it But we'll start the show first What is your what is what do you want to share big news in the Kissel household Jerry now comes when I call him and no, he doesn't ejaculate You did that again. No, that was I went to sleep thinking old Henry's good if I say Jerry comes when I call him I'm gonna be like

Wow nullified that he has really been taking and Assuming my reactions recently. I'm chat GPT for you. I think the word projection Because today's episode's all about how how breasts need to be covered This is about hiding tits protected protect it. All right Welcome to the last podcast of the left bed and hanging out with Marcus hanging out with Henry and the newly Just wow on this new philosophy. I'm sure rest need to be covered as opposed to revealed for the world to see I mean normally show them flop them out. I want to I want to see him I want to see other people sucking on your tits if you want to get rid of your own breasts great

You could do whatever you want to him I mean, I'm personally in a bit of a breast renaissance right now because I've been watching a lot of 70s movies I watch this movie the vampire happening the other night that I absolutely adored nice no less 15 to 20 pairs of breasts in that movie I watch this movie with Donald Pleasant's called the mutations three pairs of breasts in that movie 1970s update to freaks and yet they still managed to put three pairs of breasts in it You know what bumped to the top of my looking at boobs search list recently tawny cattain Interesting you go. Well, isn't that exciting?

Yeah, I got into the episode I have to just understand this into a lot of this episode. I'm gonna have to be I'm gonna be forced to be silent Okay, good by Marcus Wow, because a lot of this involves really intense breast tax Oh, not in a way. I like a breast attack, which is six three angles coming and I go. Oh, that's a fun a breast attack Yeah, this is the opposite opposite. You got to pay double for that. All right today's episode you want to blood? Well, you're gonna get at the Chicago Rippers remember you asked for you asked for it The Chicago Rippers aka the Ripper crew were a gang of four psychopaths Who murdered up to 20 women in Chicago over the course of just a year and a half during the early 80s in a

Criminally underreported and largely forgotten crime spree. I think it's largely under reported because it's extremely unpleasant And it is most of it can't even be portrayed on television. No, oh So you're sitting there. You're alone right now and you have to remind yourself even these guys had friends So get out there and find your own Ripper crew, but make it like about bowling. We're the Ripper crew. We play pool When I meet the Chicago Ripper crew, I hope it's a bunch of guys who all like fart song That would be incredible, but this again opposite, okay Now Ripper cases are so named because they share features with the infamous Jack the Ripper case of 1888 that is to say they usually involve the extreme mutilations of sex workers

Yeah, but while Jack the Ripper is arguably the most famous serial killer to ever exist and Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper He's been burned into the British consciousness since the early 80s the Chicago Rippers They hold no such distinction in even local history. Yeah, Chicago doesn't want to claim them. Mm-hmm weird See Jack the Ripper gets his place in the history books because he was the first modern serial killer and the Yorkshire Ripper case only got Serious investigative power after Peter Sutcliffe started murdering members of so-called polite society non-sex workers right the Chicago Rippers However focused mostly but not exclusively on sex workers Which makes the lack of press coverage during and after the murderers both baffling and predictable I also want to say this there's nothing more polite than sucking somebody off when they're stressed

So thank you sex workers. Thank you for keeping all of those South Dakota farmers when they go to Vegas for that Oh, yeah, thank you for stopping them from murdering their family for three years when you stomp on their balls It's incredible the work that you do and it's unfortunate the way these people come at you And I think we brought this up recently. Yeah, don't come at me with don't come at me with learn that sex workers Embrace it. Yeah, you know that well out of the 20 some odd killed by the Chicago Rippers four weren't sex workers One however wasn't a woman and was killed in a random shooting But three were still the sorts of victims who usually get both press and police attention Secretaries and the like not to mention the fact that they were white women and to that point perhaps the reason why there wasn't such a

massive sense of urgency Was that the vast majority of the victims in the Chicago Rippers case were black sex workers who historically have the least amount of Investigative power placed into their murder investigations This was that for years this pride this process of looking for the Chicago Ripper crew was decidedly lazy And they weren't caught if it wasn't for a piece of truly just luck Yeah, that's how they were caught but thankfully they were because these are the part of also why I think after the fact that these Were not reported because we took brought up because these crimes are particularly very very grizzly Yeah, but also because the men themselves that committed these crimes

Well, we most know most what we know we've talked about this before about any serial killer comes from the mouths of the serial killer Themself trust them trying to put together But mostly it's because they are what we know about serial killers a lot of their narcissistic tendencies means they want to be in charge of their Own storyline. They want to be on the they want to be on the cover of the Rolling Stones. Yes And they want the want they want everybody to know their version of the story These guys have not spoken about these crimes and they've also have not admitted that they even did these crimes ever they have sort of You'll get to it. It's because they all roll back because every road back

They roll back but three of them get very extensive with their Confessions, well, that's how we know anything. But then after the fact they're all still saying that they're Extremely innocent and talking about extreme. They're like no no triple X innocent triple X incident Of course when it comes to rolling back, we do have to remember Walmart. Yep I mean destroying our society society at the very least the ringleader of the Chicago Rippers Never admitted to anything and is still never admitted to doing anything untoward despite mountains Oh, and I'm just so I witness reports. No physical evidence might do but I witness evidence And I'm just so happy that Sam wise was able there to help the ringleader towards the very end when he was like

I don't think I can kill this woman Oh, yeah, this is where you're really important here And also like that your Frodo was Italian I don't think Actually, I'm kind of taking it back or even to do this because I'm having a hard time kind of Concentrating on anything since the loss of Gordon Whitefoot. Oh, yeah, I know you've been quite devastated He also mentions Wisconsin and the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald until this day I didn't know how many of my friends were Gordon Whitefoot fans. We're like, yeah, I'm a light-foot head for sure Sundown is like that's how Natalie knew to avoid me during quarantine

You'd hear like when you heard that come out of my office She just didn't she knew don't go in there. That's half a bottle of whiskey right there And then a cigar that he has one puff up, but then he's like Well, as we've said again and again because it bears repeating black sex workers, especially in the 80s and 90s They were the ones most likely to have the letters D and I Scrawled on their body bags meaning do not investigate and if there's no investigation There's usually no coverage as it was because the investigation and the media attention was so relatively scant During the Chicago Ripper murders the team of four psychopaths who perpetrated these crimes

Operated with near impunity with a horrific glee throughout. Alright, so we got to ask Kansas BTK hot dog squad We're in Chicago here the bratwurst boys How bad were these cops? Were they as bad as the hot dog squad? No, well the hot dog squad they at least there was a squad dedicated to the BTK's crimes try they very much Try this was like just trying to fail Yeah, but they at least they there was no task force Okay, no there was not yeah, because some of the hot dog squad guys like died with the BTK folder on their nightstand Okay, like that did never gave

I mean the water rings are getting on there nice You don't want that to happen the Chicago Rippers would remove breasts with piano wire and have sex with the wounds Either before or after they tortured the victims with homemade Implements and it was always done in a mobile chamber of horrors that took the form of a customized red Dodge fan man Can you imagine a toy box killer vibes with that just being around Robin Gecht and you just see in a grand piano And it's like I got a lot of that's off of right really like he can really fit and then if he saw a harp Oh, you'd he'd go crazy. You're like, I don't have anything to stumble. I don't have to do the stumble

Yeah, I can go. Oh, look at that. You just go walk by walk by fast. Sounds like our business manager there Well, that's good. I have you seen active killing that documentary Yeah, I learned that you could kill a lot of people with piano wire and I didn't know that I mean, I knew it, but I didn't really know in the mob uses it to yes But we know about the victims and what happened to them because three out of the four Chicago Rippers copped to the murders Dearing the investigation 75% 75% ain't bad. That ain't bad the ringleader However, never confessed meaning that it is highly likely that his body count is much higher

I utterly utterly believe that Robert and get to did a lot more than what he said That was his name. His name was Robin Gecht. So it's very sissy name. It's a straight get. Yeah, he's it. Yeah It's he's one of those guys worried like even as I'm trying to like joke around about him and going in for information Out of this guy is in the light in the world of the get the gal of the villains gallery of serial killers He is in the top echelon when it comes to mean mean and stupid Extremely bad guy. Yeah, right. That's funny. That's a funny term because I don't really think of Jeffrey Dahmer as mean Well, I think of him as meek and weak and then scared and then horrible Well, that's the whole thing is that with serial killers the cliche is oh, he was always so quiet

Oh, you would never know we never knew Dennis Raider was BTK We never knew that Jeffrey Dahmer was keeping all these people in his apartment With Robin Gecht, he was mean and fucked up and cruel 24 hours a day seven days a week Constantly to everyone around him with the name Robin tends to be a little bit more feminine I wonder if it's a boy named Sue situation. I mean, there is it is It's psychologically obvious the way he does his crimes. Yeah, like that's the thing is that you're talking about, you know It's super on there. It's it's back Right and of all the things that make me upset about this story. I know that's the top

This has been like no creativity. I'm believable. I mean does sound like there was some show not tell great call great call But before we get into the story of Robin Gecht and his Ripper crew great band name sure sure Jesse in the Rippers. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. Is it from a full house? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. This is all I thought of I just see Jesse in his like what he had to do the weird genie outfit because they turned the song That was like a super sweet song to turn into a dance like Clip and then he had a music video. It is like this is selling me out is selling us out, you know, I don't remember I remember I do remember that Robin Gecht and the Ripper crew sounds like a great like early mid 60s

Liverpool band just see and Robin Gecht next to the Beach Boys Front of kill. Yeah, well, let's acknowledge our source today before we get into the story for this two-part series We have deadly thrills by Jay Slade He's very deeply in the world of traditional 1990s true crime This is classic old-school true crime supermarket paperback. It's written by a cop. It's got everything you want great If I remember correctly, it was actually sent to us many years ago by listener Jessica Shannon because this book is actually very very rare Jessica by the way still runs an awesomely curated morbid subreddit at r slash Jessica M. Shannon Okay, take it out of here. There's a great job moderating. Great job

Be nice. Please be nice. That is that I that job is Thankless and almost impossible. Yeah. I also, you know, we'll get over it. We'll just say up top Uh, it's a gold star episode. Yeah. Oh, you know, yeah We've already done a lot of tit choppin like just jokes and it's gonna continue. Yeah Well, it's gonna get detailed at multiple points over the next two episodes. So we're mostly just breast-related I don't think they were about the chopping no, no, no, but it's I need to get it out I know I had to figure out a way to get it out in a way that's constructive Entertainment creative creative. Yes, and over you. Thank you to Jessica. And so without further ado

Let's get to the story of Robin Gecht and the Ripper crew. Robin Gecht. It sounds like a little frog like a toad man I really hate the I just hate the way it works It's also sad because I hate the fucking the way the cops put this too where they're like it's about little man syndrome Robin Gecht was five foot seven. Well, we'll get into that He's the tall one. We'll get we'll get into that. He was the tall one Yeah, and I think it's interesting how much umbrage you take with that Because we're gonna get into that later on Marcus never said anything about oh, Jack the Ripper so thin He was the unknown. We didn't know who he was. Yeah, Marcus isn't complaining. I mean, Jack the Ripper was certainly a thin live

Quick man. I did have some I did have some anger towards the towards the Ed Kemper Oh, so Robin Gecht was born in Chicago in 1953 into a classic hard-luck serial killer environment that never let up during his entire childhood Thank you That's right. You said I I'm not woke. I am not work I'm not work Look, the only love Robin ever got was from his grandmother Sarah who doted upon her grandchild by saying quote You are my first grandchild That makes you special. Well, that's nice. Yeah, that was the only time anything ever nice was ever said

You can get the grandmother on your side though. You have the whole house. There's your fucking pussy's already done You're a dinner of shit ass work back about that If you remember Ted Bundy had the grandfather that didn't work out too well No, it's about the grandmother. I seem but unfortunately Robin was treated as far less than special throughout his formative years It was kind of more of a joke His brother Everett was born three years after Robin and his sister Rochelle came two years after that And since the Gecht home was so small Robin lost his bed to his two younger siblings and had to sleep on the floor

Soon after his parents abandoned him to the oh, he'll figure it out on his own school of parenting that often leads to Let's say bad habits. It leads to me And I think it's fantastic Are you talking about your mother didn't leave you dear Your mother actively took you out of school and took you to the pigley wiggly. Did she pet your hair? No, no, she never pet my hair. Yeah, no, my family raised for a period of time. Yeah, no No, I know I was raised. I'm just saying yes. I'm a mama's boy. Yes me and my mom. I could go to pigley wiggly right now I can get y'all to beg seriously what?

But what I'm saying is um You just coming you're coming straight to you immediately want to support robin gecht immediately trying to Apologize for robin gecht one of the worst serial killers of all Sometimes when parents are a little bit more hands off their kids become Podcasters or who artists or maybe CEOs and he it's not his parents fault that he became a serial killer I'm certain it's a bit of a pattern. You really do fall on the side of the serial killers who like to murder in cars Isn't that interesting?

I'm a Chevy guy Yeah, I was hanging out with my high school buddies. Like when did you become a Chevy guy? I was like, you know, remember? I don't think so, buddy. I was like, oh, yeah All of our cars equally represent us because you drive a car of the house of representative member from north dakota You have a lesbian school mother's car and my car is of a tiny fat producer a super outback is a very versatile vehicle for Elizabeth Warren Beekeeper wipes a personal a personal vehicle for a diverse group of people

Absolutely fantastic. And of course, I do love your new bumper sticker that says cross the picket line Hashtag scab artist Now it was perhaps robin's increasing resentment towards his new siblings combined with his own natural sociopathic tendencies that led to his first experience with death Which also said quite a bit about the attentiveness of his parents or lack thereof Pointed I'm saying, okay when robin was six He his mother and his siblings took a trip to the grocery store and while robin's mother went inside with robin's infant sister She told robin to stay outside to watch his three-year-old brother even though robin was only six see white trash is

Internationally no, it's a thing where if you are because that is such a thing of taking a six-year-old me like I ain't watching three-year-old You're figuring out. Yeah, that's a double up. I think that's okay Hey He's completely a different child. He's neglected. Yeah Searching for his mother still in many different environments He goes to the basketball men and he wants them to be his mother He wants the wings to be his mother. I just follow that sweet sweet sound to giggling I did it

Now it's unknown whether robin led events unfold or whether he pushed them along But pretty soon his little brother Everett had wandered out into the street and got hit by a car What do you think about that now? Not good not good my older brother saved me from getting in the hit by a car because I was darting into traffic grabbing By the shirt and pulled me back. So he was not a good older brother. He was not. No Everett survived with permanent brain damage Yeah, but he was the fine one No, he got sent to an institution Because the geck family was too poor to take care of him home and he never returned

He just got popped into the there And probably in the 80s if he survived till then just got thrown out into the street We used to call it the crisper Technically he's lucky I know that he's now he's at least he doesn't have to be known as the brother of robin geck Then he just gets to go and kind of rock back and forth in a room someplace else Well, perhaps to fill the Everett sized hole in their lives or perhaps because the gecks were just too fucking stupid to stop They gave birth to another child in 1961 Julia and another child. It feels too good to come inside

It feels too good to come inside But you gotta just you gotta wait you get to do it a couple times a month and that needs to be good enough If you're not going to be on birth control. I also had no fetish for it. It's not a fetish. It's just pretty. It's just good I'm just saying like having it. It's just having to manage it. It's very stressful. Yeah, it's just stressful Well after julia 1961 there was another joanne in 1964 and it therefore became robin's job to take care of all These little girls who seem to come in an endless stream robin then had to shoulder even more responsibility when his beloved grandmother died of stomach cancer And his father became ill with an unnamed quote-unquote blood ailment diseases used to be simple

Yeah, you gotta wear them with the blood. He's got blood. There's something wrong with his blood That's all you know, and this was all before robin was 10 years old So there's a lot going on now while I don't want to get too much into armchair psychology here It seems to me that robin's early experiences with the female gender was seen mostly by him as a heavy burden robin's entire life revolved around the care of girls and while most men come out of this experience with a deeper appreciation for women or as I say a Very healthy amount of fear which has really helped me Yeah, yeah a feminine touch. Yep, you might say

I think robin's inborn psychopathic tendencies brought about the opposite effect instead of love robin engendered nothing But hate towards women. Oh, I also get just the straight up of kind of this system Of he's become a little mini parent, but I've seen a lot of people come from this environment Yeah, they didn't start the chicago ripper. That's what I mean inborn psychopathic tendencies Sometimes they start record labels. Sometimes I mean a there's just something about his height That's what it is. But again, it's something about his height. It's supposed to fuel your personality I think also being his height. He's smaller than a lot of women or eye to eye, you know, uh, so maybe he oh Anyway, but that's the whole thing. But um, you know what I've become with women

Neutral, you know, that's nice. You're just well. You're just good. That's not happening Not angry. Neutral. Yeah, you just sit away. You just sit at big wax. Jerry comes when I call him Come. Don't do it He's gay comes and over his fucking ass. Yeah, I figured he was gonna do something like that Now robin was of course a problem child at school always fighting stealing and starting fires All of which would of course draw the ire of his father who always even though he couldn't work He always seemed to manage it muster up enough energy to beat his son despite his blood ailment. I mean he's just a deadbeat It's not what you like to do. Yeah, that's right

But when the school had enough of robin's antisocial behavior He was sent first to a day school for troubled juveniles But when he refused to attend of his own volition though robin was sent to a troubled teen school for eight months Now almost certainly robin was sent to the chicago parental school with the rest of the city's so-called Encourageables But as far as troubled teen schools went this wasn't one of the worst I looked into the chicago parental school Mostly modeled after military school. No corporal punishment was ever allowed. Yeah, the worst punishment also isn't the best punishment They would give kids 24 hours of solitary confinement in a well-lit

Well ventilated room as like more of a cool-off room. That's not the worst I've ever heard The crisper. Yeah, the crisper. Was it chucky there? Chucky for two. Chucky two. No military school. Nope. Nope You were saying Marcus they did have a school newspaper. It was called the skipper. Yeah It had the gilligan too, but that was mostly just recipes for onion soup Oh But after eight months at the parental school robin was brought home after his grandfather also died and his aunt Quickly followed her father with suicide because she lost both her parents in less than a year

It's again, as I said, it's a hard luck serial killer story It's just nothing but misery and death and pain. I know it sounds like you should have become a graffiti artist Designer yeah, yeah, it definitely sounds like this isn't child's play Oh, see that's fine Yeah, well looking for some purpose in life robin at the age of 15 began working with his dead grandfather's tools So he could learn enough electrical know-how to repair television sets. That's incredible. That's great Yeah, it's his 1968 television sets are on the fritz all the time He has literally 35 years of work ahead of him by the age of 18

He met a girl whom deadly thrills called Judy Carson Judy Carson Okay, it's the first of many pseudonyms the author used to protect the innocent I see Judy gave birth to the first of robin geck's many children Oh my god Luckily for her they broke up and she married someone else leaving robin far behind great So after an extremely short-lived return home in which robin was punched in the face by his father Hours after his arrival. He didn't want him there No, because he again robin was a problem robin was a problem robin was violent robin was mean all the time

Right. He yeah, you wonder why the first and definitely the first marriage is all because of that He was just not he was not very nice Yeah robin after that drifted from woman to woman for years until he met and married 17 year old rosemary mccafrey In 1975 when robin was 22 The first child was born a year later and two more children would be born between then And the year in which robin was caught for the ripper murders 1982 It's going to where these kids are

Do you know where these kids are? No, I don't need to know like that's not mine Actually, uh, yeah, I do know where one of us one of his kids did get convicted of murder And I think we're gonna be covering that in the next episode. So yeah, these kids did not come out It's it could be genetic. Oh, is it the batter? It might be the bad A bad pizza starts with a dough Well, that is true. I say a bad pizza starts with the water. That's what I say. Yeah, that's the cum. Yeah That's why that's why that's why I've accepted that and the flower is the egg

That's why pizza bagels bread and coffee in Los Angeles aren't very good because the water here's bad But you know, you can't get a chicago style from a spot called geno's which is close to chicago Yeah, honestly, the bread can be good. Yeah, the bread it can be if they use filtered bread They use tap water you can tell this is where you're showing some of your bias, but we'll get you around That's good. That's good. Now one of the most bizarre coincidences in the robin geck story came from his choice of profession electrician And it comes from who he met as a result of that career choice the cable guy Jim Carrey features heavily in this. Wow. Yep. Somebody

Stop that. That's really that's from the mask though That's all they needed Yeah, see robin had learned the basics of home repair from his uncle roger And he therefore opened his own electrical repair business by 1975 he moved on from tvs He moved up to homes. Wow. Remember, this is chicago during the late 70s So if you're doing small time work that involves working with contractors Then there's a chance that you might have worked with pdm and its ceo

John Wayne gasey. Whoa. I thought you were gonna. I thought we were going mob route. No, we were going j John Wayne gasey. John Wayne gasey. This is a we'll see because we're like, where was there? Was there involvement? No, well, let's unpack it a little bit. Yeah Now there's no evidence whatsoever the John Wayne gasey and robin geck ever killed together because why would they John Wayne gasey killed men in his home and robin geck killed women in his van Additionally, gasey was caught in 1978 robin's murders didn't begin until 1981 or at least Proveably didn't begin until 1981. But now I believe it is a fact that John Wayne gasey had accomplices We don't know who these accomplices are. We don't know whether or not those accomplices also ended up buried in the fucking basement

Along with the other victims and we would not know that some of those victims might have been one of his Accomplices one of his accomplices, but again, tenuous tenuous tenuous. I think if you get murdered, you're no longer an accomplice Well, then yeah, you have graduated a victim. Yeah, you have well interestingly they did know each other. They absolutely Yeah, knew each other. This is why I'm saying weird Well, I mean we'll get to that in a second, but geck was almost called as a witness during John Wayne gasey's trial She is there he's on the books having been hired by PDM contractors. So he was there at some point but again In what aspect in what is John Wayne gasey?

Could he see that robin geck had uh, was he a little bit too fucked up to even be an accomplice Is it a guy that you look at this guy and look oh this guy's kind of cut fucked up to rogue We also talk about too John Wayne gasey mostly would kind of float So, uh, sometimes guys like to relieve each other of their little stresses, right? Oh sure. Yeah, and I don't know whether robin geck was like I like that. Yeah, I would imagine if I were to speculate as to why robin geck may have been brought in I would say it was probably because John Wayne gasey killed a lot of his own employees and since robin geck worked with John Wayne Gasey just went through the role of that Since John Wayne gasey, yeah, he might have been called like maybe this guy knows

something about an employee that disappeared at a certain point in time something like I think it's just a Fucking incredible coincidence. Maybe something to do with the polish day parade You know The marching but then it turns out he did it on italian's day Now, Henry, I know you're a staunch believer in the theory that John Wayne gasey had accomplices to the point where you just said It is now proved that he had accomplices fact. It's not approved in the court of zebrowski That's all I'm not so I still believe it's speculation. Yeah, sir. I I do believe that it's just more

Lately than not that serial killers with extremely high body counts have some form of accomplices as we've seen with Dean Coral as we I think that John Wayne gasey is very similar as we know for a fact that Henry Lucas was trained by the cia in order to destabilize the American system Real Like you have your jump to conclusions mad out And you to conclusions are jumping to conclusions But what's surprising to me when people talk about the gasey accomplice theory is that no one

ever brings up the fact that robin geck Geck did exactly what gasey was supposed to have done and he did it in the exact same city at nearly the exact same time I mean, it's a great environment for self starters. Yeah, I guess so Yeah, the ripper crew was made up of robin geck and the younger employees at his construction business Eddie spitzer and the coca relis brothers andy and tom and if there wasn't a bigger bunch of winners You never met in your life. It's these incredible young men Wow, because andy and tommy could both together tie one pair of shoes. Well, that's not bad But this thing if you're looking for accomplices, maybe this is John Wayne gasey new

You got to go first the real stupid you got to go for stupid but capable stupid Well capable in a way that they're really good at at at murdering women and helping you murder women Well, that would be what the job calls for in these cases wouldn't it? Well, this is how all these guys met Robin and his wife rosemary were neighbors with the coca relis brothers who came from a greek orthodox family ruled by a violent tyrant Who would lash his children after he tied them shirtless to a table Usually did this for such paltry transgressions as smoking a little weed you get 15 lashes for smoking weed Whoa, I better smoke some weed to make that not hurt so much No, we don't know exactly how andy and tommy were roped into robin geck's life

But it's likely that robin simply offered them jobs working as handyman at robin's company. They were neighbors. Yeah, they were neighbors Yeah, you need some more come work. And they also I mean, that's 90% of it just being in the right spot. That's right Yeah, you saw them outside chopping up a couple of melons and he's like you're perfect for what I need you for Yeah, and he also babysat. Uh, they also babysat his kids. Oh, that's good. It's a there's a really large number of serial killers who were also babysitters Again, it's really uh, you don't need a lot of references. Yep. The adventures of babysitting triple x So jeff ebs jeff re-epsy was making on now. Oh, no, no, you know, we're so close with is jeff

Oh, yeah, but didn't gnome chomsky write that? You got him Well around 1978 or 1979 the timeline is a pretty uh, it's vague on this one The fourth member of the ripper crew arrived See tommy and andy kokorellis had a sister and she had a boyfriend named eddie spitzer After 15 months of dating though, the kokorellis sister moved away and broke up with eddie and eddie soon after Also lost his job at an auto park store Real relationship

You sometimes you get the other guy right We got eddie isn't that nice they got eddie Does he look like eddie from uh from uh, oh my god, everyone likes to dance. They like to rocky horror picture show No No, everybody likes to dance. That's what that's what they do Yeah, well desperate eddie ass his ex-girlfriend's brother andy if he knew of any work And he fatefully introduced eddie to robin gecht and that solidified the ripper crew lineup Yeah, because now you got you got two lumpy goons, right?

You got a skinny goon and then you got yourself because he viewed himself as the sex symbol. Yes Now at this point robin gecht was 30 years old and the boss he was the older authority figure He is a little little older than I expected him to be. Yeah eddie was 21 and highly vulnerable While tommy and andy were just teenagers when they came under the sway of a surprisingly charismatic Svengali. Oh, this is this is gross. So just 30 years old just hanging out with a goon teenager It is a honestly they all say the same thing. They call him a svengali Like what was his charisma that brought him in? He's like, no, they were all just dumber and shittier than him And he looked impressive to them, but even then he's carried the gnome if he was a human being

You're still gonna have a little bit of charisma to sway the dullards. I think you just need to be paying the money Hanging out with you. You're their boss, so they're like cuckoo whatever robin says that's what we gotta do Because they're fucking morons and then and mean obviously and truly just brutal assholes And then robin robin geck knew that and he's just been like, I'm gonna teach these kids a thing or two about a thing or two And then it just becomes it's all about the touching breasts with knives and one person's charm is just another person's turnoff So I don't think that this guy was charming. I think he's truly consider me extremely charming charming Yeah, no, you can't he can sing and dance. I've seen him put on shows. Yeah, you know, he can't sing. I've seen him do it. He's pathetic Oh, I'm a winner

We sucked him right up though and we put him right in that chair and all you can do is talk now Well, I would I could break the picket line. No, I'm not gonna be a scam You could but I would argue though Is that Henry you're more charismatic than charming and I would say and I would say the same thing about robin geck He wasn't charming at all. So you're gonna say, oh, that's me and him. That's how we're alike. Yeah I am charismatic able strong always hard I know that far sighted five foot seven blood pressure lowered can sing dance dribble threat All right, fit around far sighted means you can't see close to you

Fart sighted means I can actually see farts in the air dude. I would love to see when someone farted be like know what you did Then you have leverage. It's all about leverage Every time I love it. Well, most people compare robin geck to Charles Manson because both Allegedly use their influence to inspire brutal murders allegedly That however is not a correct reading. Charles Manson was a bait and switch cult leader. He was charming Yeah, he was charming and he was a but he was a bait and switcher He ultimately just wanted to convince a bunch of 18-year-old girls to leave behind the groovy Los Angeles hippie lifestyle of 1968 To go live in Death Valley where they could ride dune buggies all day

Do you remember we had that well top secret where we got this information from but we had an inside line who was a very close What a quote vague a friend pen pal of Charles Manson and talked about that about the art of Charles Manson Was very much just into as much pussy as he could consume. Yeah, and they then they do say the text watson I don't think there's a text in this story was truly a great manipulator and has his own cult in prison Yes, robin geck is the two to come on his combo. Okay, but robin geck. He's more of a bullying manipulator He found three young men who were highly suggestible and if we're being honest They were not in any way what you'd call bright. No, I think we've established. They're really stupid. They were medically dumb Yeah, Tommy, uh, Coco Raylis had an IQ of 77. Yeah, and if you listen to him talk, he is definitely spinning

Yeah, you know, I mean he absolutely is and but Again, there's something about somebody of that Mind where he's also like I got nothing to do with that. I didn't do anything I didn't say anything. I wasn't involved in anything and you watch and he's like he's Thorsing out of his mind. Yeah, and he's just trying to not meanwhile. You're like, no, you you did though. You you you you certainly did Yeah, you definitely did Well, additionally besides being a group of dullards. Oh, yeah, like I you put this here though. Oh, it's low. His IQ was low Yeah, he's like well the thing is

Well, the thing is about Tommy is that his IQ is low enough to put him in like the mildly mentally challenged category But it's still high enough where he could get a driver's license. Oh, that's good. I'm happy to know that She explains a lot actually. Yes, it does a lot of those on the road there are But besides being a group of dullards robin and his crew were all Relatively short scrawny guys scrawny, although not terribly short. We're not talking David miscavige short here David miscavige is tiny. Yeah, he's tiny. Yeah, they're just short I mean robin was as Henry said he was the big man of the group. He was five foot seven went 125 pounds I got fucking 50 pounds on robin deck. You do. I'm a fucking bruiser compared to robin deck. That is extremely small

Yeah, very slight. Yeah, it's almost reason why you he took uh four men for them to attack one woman at a time Yeah, I wonder if that's also part of the psyche where he's like, I'm a man And he's still in jail and he acts like he hasn't done anything Yeah, and no, it definitely was like a small group of pixies or gnomes or neckers Yeah, they're all attacking all at the same time. There's all these tiny weird little guys. Oh, that's horrible Yeah, normally you just see those guys in a band like in a cover band. Yeah, usually that's a great way to bet That's where you should be. Yeah, Chicago rippers exactly

Now as far as the right-hand man and the ripper crew went eddie spritzer said that he hated Who he became when he was around rob. This is it me. This is nothing like me Uh-huh, but even before robin and eddie hooked up eddie was known to be a disturbing individual I just was different. I was different till a lot of different people sounds like a lot of other people would say That's unique when robin Well, for example a guy who knew eddie from high school said, oh, yeah, I smelled a smoked turkey from here Sorry, I just had a lot of turkey Well, for example a guy who knew eddie from high school said that spritzer showed up to prom

With his mouth covered in blood But instead of wiping it off He enjoyed how much it shocked everyone and he spent all night bragging that he'd just come to prom After slaughtering animals in the woods for a quote-unquote Rituals kind of cool. I mean, that's kind of fun. That's where he did the things like again That time different me prom brought horrible things Promise stressful. There are many things that I can't even be associated with more just because of what they bring out of me Malt chops can't go

Because I hate to share or get enraged just start start chopping breasts. I can't I can't even put me near a monopoly game Because the next thing I know you got you got all the railroads because what I I'm tying you up in a van Hate myself when I'm shopping breasts. Yeah Now who knows if the prom story is true or not because the true crime paperbacks of the 80s and 90s They're filled with stories from high school classmates who always have a fucked up story to tell about the killers Or didn't the thing you thought was super funny back in the day and now that he's one of the chicago ripper girl You're like, oh, well actually now it's kind of gross. Yeah revisionist history But either way the fact that it sounds like it could be true

Certainly tells you that eddie was at the very least Disturbed when he met robin geck during a vulnerable and directionless period in his life Additionally if eddie hated it so fucking much keep in mind that he could have stopped robin at any point Once the killing began either by going to the cops or even if you wanted to avoid jail Just kill robin yourself if you're gonna kill women Why not kill the guy who kills the women and then you won't have to kill the women anymore Well, let's just go to the police. Yeah, I it's it's interesting because you we talk about, you know, we did But you know paul Bernardo we talked with carla homoca and how she in a way

I we now know that we we believe that carla homoca was way more involved and she kind of like she protested doth protested too much About how she was so afraid of paul I do believe that she did think she was next and part of why she ended up flipping on him in the very end But when it comes to victims being with somebody for a long time We you could see why like if you're trapped in a truly abusive scenario it can it really can truly feel Impossible to get out and also the statistics. We know that the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship is when someone tries to exit That's normally when things really flare up and things go bad But when you are one of the other murderers, yeah, you kind of for me

You lose a lot of the argument what like I don't was I was a different person than he wasn't He wasn't his fucking boyfriend. Yeah, he was his boss at a part-time job. Yeah, I quit. Yeah, you just leave Yeah, that's not that difficult. I'll quit right now. I fucking quit cool. I'm back Whoa incredible Whoa, and this is their new like reunion episode. Wow. Awesome. I've also changed a lot guys Yeah, yeah, I have yeah So what the how and what in what way and what way uh improv them jerry doesn't come when I call him anymore That's actually really sad. Yeah, that would be said. He just started a week ago. That's nice. We came

Did it happen don't do it you fucking can I ask you has it happened more than once? Yes multiple times He's doing it. I do a little thing with my fingers. I go. Oh, come on in. That's incredible. That's great. That's great His brain is now the size of a small peanut. No, probably a oh probably a little bit of a Whoa the little tennis table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table table Ask me at the time to be in porno movies or rob a bank or anything. I sure would have done it Again, I was a different guy I said hey, do you want to play for the New York Meto? I'm like, yeah Hey, man, do you want to be on television? You want to be this new it's gonna you it's called MacGyver

Do you want to be MacGyver on the television? Absolutely. I'll take time away from what I'm doing here at the electronics business And I will go and do that. Yes, cut of a paratits Okay, that's where you really want to say no Now as opposed to the vast majority of serial killers who begin their experimentation phases outside of the home doing it to strangers Robin Gecht went against type and first tortured his wife, which is doubly strange Contrary to what you might assume most married serial killers aren't physically abusive towards their wives Yeah, it's part of their cover story a lot of times to some other weird game of like they get to live a normal life And then have their secret ex life

Yeah, Robin. However did not follow that pattern and I'm going to state that from this moment forward This series is going to be heavy possibly even laser focused on the act of breast mutilation I don't like it It's for you guys, you know, because we get a lot of letters, especially when it comes to animal violence Right a lot of people really upset. They don't like animals going to be some of that in this episode People get really mad great and there are some people get really upset about like baby violence Right, people saying bad things if you throw a baby out of a car, they get mad Choke a baby with a bunch of rags. They get really

Stick ahead of a baby in a paper There's a series of things you could do everybody gets upset like it. I'm like really I'm upset about the breast violence. Yeah I'm offended Your content because again, I think breasts are the most pure Wonderful thing that that bring us all together as a as a a human family. They do You really are it's universal. Yeah. Yeah going through a bit of a breast disonts. Are you? Oh, yeah, we've been talking about it. Yeah, we've been talking about it That's great. Yeah, it's nice. I never left Okay, there you go. But I'm adding butts because I'm growing older. Nice. Oh my goodness

Sometimes I'll just look at a picture of a butt too. Congratulations on growth. I mean it's maturity Absolutely. Everything's a pillow if you look at it like you're tired I It's like it's like everything goes a hammer if you everything's a nail if you're a hammer It's nice Now it's interesting that the moment in which robin began exuberantly marching towards serial killer behavior Is also the exact moment that he began bringing eddie spitzer into the fold See after eddie worked for robin for only five months

Eddie went to robin's house to find that robin had cut off his wife's nipples What and it simply left her there to bleed. It's really Oh, this is very fucked up. No the the domestic violence against rosemary is is the worst i've ever heard of and he slowly built up They feel like, you know, we see people ramp up. We see serial killers ramp up their violence as they go And normally it's outside. We have to talk about this. It's outside of the home It's weird because it felt like he was getting truly comfortable with the violence with his family first Yeah, but eddie took her to the hospital. But before he could talk to the cops robin intercepted and told him that the crime Could just as easily be pinned on eddie. That does not even make sense. That's what you say to a moron

right Well, I mean if there's one thing robin geck was good at it was stone-faced lion robin also told eddie that if you went to the cops He'd show them pictures of eddie and rosemary having sex Although i'm not sure if eddie ever actually had sex with rosemary. I don't know. This is like my mom got a spam email That was just like we've hacked into your accounts and we have nude pictures of you in the bathroom My mom called me fucking hysterical. They're like, how did they get nude pictures of me? How did they how did they see me nude?

This is like, you know, 11 a.m. I don't know. What are you talking about? She's like, they sent an email I didn't have pictures of my friends and I was like, that's not possible. So again, this is how you You lie to someone who doesn't know it is interesting how you shoehorn that story in Um, for nando brought up on top at a rumba Did take a picture of a chick taking a dump and put it online So your mom if your mom is a rumba your mom might be honestly If that does I don't know I let it I let it see I might have to pull a tom green and just paint your side of your house There's a picture

No, uh, we can't have a rumba because it scares the wind Yeah, I it's weird. Oh, I don't enjoy them. No, I like it. I wish I had a little robot pep. Yeah Well, the thing is that eddie maintained that the only sexual contact he had with rosemary was the one time He applied lotion to her breasts while she was sunbathing topless. What is it summer rental? It's 1979 man, like shit's different It's so interesting for robin to do this crime and he says like, you know, I have pictures of her You know having you having sex together and we're gonna fucking i'm gonna do something I'm gonna show the world about this and eddie's like, you know, the only time was the one time

I just massaged her wife's breasts before she was sunbathing topless that you could just see robin going you did what? What? I mean, I was lying I cut those nipples off. I did that. We know that. I was lying Right and so faced with all the trouble robin promised eddie not only agreed to keep the secret But he also continued to work with robin professionally. He'd only been there for five months. Jesus What did the doctors say? Where'd your nipples go? Did you fall down? What I mean? Don't the doctors be like not they don't usually fall off. They just did that. Yeah Well, most likely even with the blackmail

I think eddie stuck around hoping that he might be included in a little of the old ultraviolence later on He liked it. I think he liked it immediately Now we're gonna have a couple of big jumps in this story ben you're already asking questions And i'm not necessarily because you say like what do the cops do when the woman showed up with no nipples What did the cops do when the woman showed up with no nipples? I don't fucking know. The book's not that well written Oh, no, does it come with two plastic nipples? We did a lot of yeah, honestly, those were incredible Yeah, because it's just nice to see what other kinds would look like on isn't that fun And robin himself never confessed to any of his crimes and and the people who did confess to the crimes are fucking morons

Right and then half lying and then and don't know we don't know what's up or what's down But I also wonder if it comes down to just straight up domestic violence at the time If she did not want to press charges if she didn't want to yeah They might not have even just showed up you might have just been like because even she talks about how his obsession with her breasts Got and hurting her breasts kept rising and getting bigger and bigger and bigger and he was like I want to see how they work. I want to see the inside of them and stuff nothing tough masculine cool Whatever about domestic violence. You're a pussy and a bitch. Yeah, and if you are in there, it's very tough

Yes, hopefully there's some resources out there to get you out. Let's hope so But what we do know is that after robin cut off his wife's nipples a steady stream of teenage girls began flowing through his house These girls would party all night. Sometimes they'd refuse to leave but rosemary was of course too terrified to protest So this is your dean coral kind of crossover. It's really weird because no one wanted to see he's just inviting like Children over to hang out in the house and fuck and party in duals kind of stuff And no one's like saying anything. They're just kind of letting it rock I think because they're already very scared of him weird But perhaps seeking to take this decadent lifestyle even further into the realm of the sadistic

robin began customizing his roomy red dodge work van to turn it into a mobile chamber of horrors Designed specifically to commit torture murders. Well, the problem here is exhibit with the pimp your ride We have an application this guy says that he's going to want to make it a torture bus Yeah, we put a torture bus in your torture bus so you can torture a bus by your torture bus. There you go In addition In addition, his behavior in his personal life was also descending into the depths of decadence cutting the nipples off was only the beginning See while robin was married to rosemary He also had a girlfriend named tina who had quite a bit to say about robin's lifestyle leading up to the murders

While they were together, for example robin was accused of raping a 15-year-old girl at gunpoint And tina said he always had a wide variety of pills at his disposal that he would Freely hand out if not force on others and that would become his mo Yeah, tina also said that robin was obsessed with Elvis and had amassed a huge collection of records coffee cups pictures and other Memorabilia that no one was allowed to touch but him. That's a true crossover star to not bring Elvis into this I mean, yeah the king of grace land again. That's how big he was Yeah, that's true when tina asked robin if he believed in god. He allegedly said quote I only believe in two things myself and Elvis Presley

What the fuck is that? But while robin's obsession with Elvis was indeed strong It paled a comparison to how much robin was obsessed with large breasts to the point where I would say that robin He was haunted by his obsession in large breasts. You live in the Midwest. You can find him I don't like that is what the Midwest is, but it's craven weird Childish in its obsession and then what we talk about a lot in this where there's something about the People that do these extreme crimes have this sort of a child like it's an immaturity

Yeah, that is diabolical, right, you know, like if it becomes it's scary because it really is surface level Obsessed wanting like because one thing apparently one thing Keaton was mined was that he had read stories about quote-unquote like uncultured Civilizations using breasts as like bags like using literally like using them as like fucking they would tan them and use them as as like holding back And he's like as totes and he was like obsessed with shit like that. It's like I don't because I like boobies But I like I'm on a woman. Yeah, no blood on the inside blood can be on the inside and I like it nice I like it to be friendly. I like everyone to be happy when you're showing the boobs. I like happy boobies I like happy like happy where everyone's happy. It's all happy. They look happy, you know, like I have huge tits

Real nice melons on you there and of course the booby person's brought to you by boobalungsia Boobalungsia boobalungsia boobalungsia Is that a new? Is that one of the new ads we have boobalungsia? Is that the new like boobalungsia? Oh, we are not advertised by boobalungsia Well this infatuation with large breasts robin said he he explained it away by saying that it was genetic Sure, he said quote it's a thing with my entire family going back because I'm told from my great grandfather Each of us men have married large breast women. My ex-wife is a 39 day and yes, she was very satisfying to me Well, okay. Why well then okay, go on. He was just a it is weird. I know why does he hurt them?

It's fucked up. Yeah, right What was more robin was also obsessed with how breasts worked when his girlfriend Tina became pregnant with robin's third Fourth, maybe fifth child robin insisted that she let him watch her breast feed after the baby was born So he could quote see how the milk flowed into the breast See, I don't know how that works. I don't know it works from the back But like we kind of talked about it, but like it is go, you know, we got the dinner But someone's got a baby and it's nice. We haven't talked about it You know, they just snap out the boobies and snap them out like and they feed the baby. I know

That that's societally correct and fine. That's normal healthy natural But I'm not allowed to look Yeah, no, you're not supposed to stare. No, you're not supposed to stare. You're supposed to be staring, but I I look up. I wear sunglasses I wear sunglasses. You know, you treat it. You know, you do it. You treat it like a salt shaker When you see it when you're at dinner, do you stop and stare at the salt shaker? Do you notice the salt shaker salt shaker? It's not open female breath No, it is different. It is different indeed, Henry. Yes, it is different

And then Henry does a mental face swap between he and the baby And it's just Henry's face on the baby Oh, yeah Latina said that for the longest time all that robin would talk about was dresses I know we know you don't always look. I don't you don't always look you don't make anyone uncomfortable I never do. You're just saying that it's hard to ignore. Yes, protests too much indeed. I think so. I tried moving on And yet you are not It's a whole troubling episode

And you're already making jokes. Sure Well, Tina said that for the longest time all he would talk about was breasts this and breasts that but of course These conversations would take dark turns Yes To that point robin was always after Tina to cut off her own nipples so he could see what was inside He told her that sex workers did it for him all the time. What's a big deal? They cut off their nipples They cut off their nipples all the time. No, they didn't I mean they just don't He said they did it all the time

No, they don't fucking grow back And he said if Tina wouldn't do it for him He'd find someone who would which is a contradiction because he just said that the sex workers cut off their nipples all the time for him I don't think he's arguing in good faith. I don't think so either Well, as far as where robin wanted to have sex It seems like he was taking his customized torture van for test drives of a sort with Tina both in the Coetle fashion and in the torture fashion when they'd have sex in the van as was robin's preference He'd chase her around and stick pins in her breasts because inflicting pain was the only way robin could become

Turgid it became this it really did it became he had to inflict pain to feel sexual Yeah On other people. I'm like if he wants to stick himself And again, if someone likes it, yeah, and you do it But not if they don't like it. Yeah, the old pin cushion there. That's not good Well, his wife got it the worst Tina said that one time she went over to robin rosemary's house and noticed that rosemary was pale and sweaty When tina asked her what was wrong rosemary lifted her blouse to show that robin had stuck six

Hat pins into her breasts rosemary said that robin refused to let her remove them until he said so He'd injected nova came into her breasts So the pain would be a bearable enough for her to go about her day But nevertheless the wounds still bled constantly horrible now naturally rosemary was terrified of robin to the point Where she would actually confide she was confiding in her husband's girlfriend Yeah, because she had no one else to talk to Well, he cut them off entirely he cut ever the whole world off inside of this house It really was this is a world of nightmares. Yeah

Besides the further breast mutilation like lighting her breasts on fire after dowsing them with lighter fluid He would do extreme breast bondage robin also involved her in humiliating bestiality and animal cruelty This is toy box killer shit. Oh, dude This is it's a different it's a different kind of bestiality. This is one of the I want to say This little section is one of the worst stories. I've heard almost in our entire show Also, why did you pitch that like a cult leader? It's a different kind of bestiality We're not like that anymore

It seems like crypto I am not curious Well on one occasion robin forced rosemary to bring her parents big dog over to their house And this is what's so strange about it. This is so weird He made rosemary bring the dog over so he could have sex with it And so he would make this because he wanted to make her watch him have sex with the dog And to prove that robin did it when rosemary told tina about it He had a she had a pair of robin's underwear that was like covered in dog hair

And I just feel that I I've seen Fernando frowning It really is I really hope he's getting beat up right now He is. They are in theory solitary. They can't go anywhere And later when that dog was about to have puppies robin dragged it to the basement Beat it to death with a baseball bat and cut out the puppy so he could store them in jars of alcohol as a macabre decoration And I do want to point out they were not his They were not his He just went from like he fucked it and then when it was ready to have puppies. Yeah, there must have been something else

What a tribute episode to gordon life. It really is. I this is about the gordon life with family. Yeah And speaking of dead bodies robin would brag to tina that he'd figured out a full proof way to dispose of a body He said that all you had to do was take the body to a cemetery where they'd already dug a grave You go the night before a funeral Then you throw the body into the hole and cover the corpse with dirt then the next day The casket would be lowered on top of the victim. Wow, and then the body would disappear forever At that rate go right there. That's still burial. Someone has killed a sale. Come on. It's a single stupidest Idea and he's like this month. He wow

That right there. That's why i'm the leader This is what is so scary about all of it all the work all the self-improve everything we try to do as a people And then it's just morons. Yeah, truly Well, it's all fucking steven paddocks out there dumb and mean or is one it's a truly powerful Combination that is because you don't care because if you are truly a fucking moron You do not have very good impulse control. You also cannot understand It's the empathy is a learned skill empathy is like a thing you really have to sit and think about you have to understand Other people have perspectives that makes your life super complicated

Like it's not it's not as simple as just everybody's meat walking around if you could do everything you want to them because again You can make moves on somebody really hard because most people trust other human beings So the mean quality then also makes you like a truly dangerous because we want to trust other people Yeah, but you know what it is funny. Sometimes you're mean, but you serve soup all saucy And then you're a soup Nazi We do the picture with He was very intoxicated But the fact remains that robin was quite giddy talking about the prospect of getting rid of a body

And he would indeed do something similar with one of the ripper crew's early victims and it actually worked Now before long robin's fantasies of actually killing someone began to inch their way into reality And he wasn't at all concerned with who saw him doing it nor was he concerned that anyone was going to turn him into the police For example, he started building his own primitive torture tools He built a poker that he constructed by fixing a hat pin to the end of a long broomstick And he'd use that to chase around tina stabbing her poking her She tried to throw it away, but every time she threw it away He'd just make another one. It's weird though, right about how like she treated him like he was a child too

They all kind of danced around him like he was a kid as well treating this like these weren't serious I know that they were and they're very scared But just been like I threw away that torture tool yours and then you went like well I'm gonna have to go make another one like it's a like it's his favorite recliner And I just searched a hat pin and they are quite large. They're very big. Yes More disturbing. However, we're robin geck's homemade axes Again using a length of broomstick robin would embed a thick triangular piece of glass Making a weapon that was both terrifying in its primitive appearance and surprisingly efficient in its execution

Tragically that first execution would occur in late may 1981 three years after the prosecution of John Wayne Gasey So I think it's keeping us in this world. Remember like this is the height Of serial killer like panic in America. I wonder if he saw what John Wayne Gasey did and I wonder if he normalized it And where's that just happens here in Chicago in my yeah, who knows? Well, again, we don't know how the idea was first brought up but starting in 1981 Robin Eddie Tommy and Andy started taking out robins red van into Chicago to pick up sex workers to assault And eventually they would work their way up to murder So after cruising around for a while robin would spot a sex worker on the street always choosing a black woman because he presumably knew

Just like Jeffrey Domino that a black person's death would get a half-hearted investigation at best, especially in the early 80s At first Eddie and Andy were the ones who would crawl into the back of the van and stay there just before robin picked up the potential victim They'd then wait for two taps from robin and at that moment They'd burst out the back doors and force the sex worker into the back of the van immediately creating an atmosphere of terror Again, it's four on one. It's absolutely horrible horrible horrible. Yeah, usually it was three on one. Yeah Every once in a while when Eddie would come around. Yeah, it's just every once while when Tommy would come Ironically considering what eventually happened Robin would assure Andy and Eddie each time that they wouldn't get in trouble for participating in these crimes But once it was all said and done, they faced far more charges and were sentenced to far harsher punishments than what robin ever received

Really? Oh, yeah. Well, he flipped on them and then also there's this angle If whether or not you believe it or not that he thought that they were doing some form of that They would get to some form of magic ritual, which is I Smart enough for that. We're gonna push it out. Don't seem smart enough to even read We're gonna parse all that out. Yeah Right from your grave Now the ripper crew claimed that the murder started before may of 1981 But in the first known murder Andy and Robin were cruising north chicago in the torture van

When they pulled over and spoke with a sex worker named linda Sutton who worked the area around Wrigley field After getting into the van they drove her to a popular spot 30 miles away Where sex workers could get the job done for an hourly fee a place called either the moonlit motel or the rip van Winkle depending on the source. I've heard two things rip van Winkle is a very scary name for a hotel Lord that he was like eating kids. Yeah, nothing with what the fuck is rip van Winkle again. He slept too long Still it sounds like he's dead I don't want to be in a motel Golden hair or some shit. No, that's that is rumpel still scan. I'm thinking rumpel still

Ripped van Winkle just slept too long. He slept too long. He slept too long Yeah, he slept and he slept and he slept and they won't when he woke up He had a big beard and it was like 200 years later and he was very sad. What's the story that don't sleep too long Don't sleep. Why he lived. No because you miss so much. You miss a fuck What are we missing see very interesting it takes on tails Yes, but either way the third member of the ripper crew eddie spitzer. He was at the motel waiting. This was all pre-planned. This is like a devil's rejects. Yeah, yeah Now linda immediately recognized that something was wrong here and she refused to get out of the van

But on robin's orders andy and eddie forced her out and while they held her down robin punched her in the face until she crumpled down But instead of taking her into the motel robin and eddie dragged linda to a field behind the motel While andy returned to the van and watched from the front seat Now according to andy's later confession eddie held linda down while robin raped her Then robin pulled out his homemade glass broomstick axe and struck linda three to four times in the chest He then took a length of piano wire and severed linda's left breast before returning to andy The two of them left in the van while eddie left in his own car Of course leaving the corpse behind and the lonely field behind the rip-ben Winkle

Where it would stay until a housekeeper noticed the stench three days later Oh, did they do they take the breast as a prize? We'll get to that here today Now even though linda Sutton's body had been exposed for just a few days The large wounds inflicted on the chest in addition to the removal of the breast had allowed bacteria Parasites and maggots to break down the tissue at an accelerated rate giving the appearance that the body had been there for weeks Yeah, I was watching some old school. You know old-fashioned true crime docs about this and they're all like Mostly parasites enter through the mouth Because it's already an open hole

And they search their way through the anus to find their way to the sweet sweet Goods inside. You're like, all right, buddy. I know you're too hard. I know you like this I was watching a thing on uh when when they find bodies, you know The people that go in and clean up the bodies and the woman that ran it. She's like We think those little bugs are like our best employees because it just takes one fly to lay some larva and then they just eat the human flesh She's like, those are our best employees It takes a smile Brain fragments, but they just take it

When that person likes their job, I'm fine with it. I love it. Somebody's got to like it. Yes someone now to be fair This was not necessarily a d and i murder because police did investigate just a little While the body was near skeletal the arms were still bound by cheap handcuffs with a broken key still in the lock Which is a detail andy coca-rayless mist Additionally a strip of cloth had been stuffed in the mouth presumably to muffle any screaming And while there were no shoes on the body, there were still socks and stuffed inside those socks was the sum of 13 dollars Oh, so I want to take the money They didn't I mean because it wasn't a robbery. They didn't know what an robbery

They didn't care and they also probably didn't know that there was 13 bucks in their socks Now once detectives couldn't find any missing persons reports that fit the description of the body They rightfully pegged her as a murdered sex worker, which as we know This happened fairly often very often extremely often in the 70s and 80s And eventually she was identified by fingerprints and dental records But they were somewhat puzzled that she had money because carrying money made a prostitution charge much more likely Should the cops catch a woman in the act? But this is a fun part

Some sex workers had systems in place for getting around such an inevitability. Okay, for example a chicago legend named mailbox maryland She would ingeniously carry She would ingeniously carry self-addressed Stamped envelopes and before she performed her services. She'd get paid take the money Put it in the envelope and drop it in the mailbox and then go do the business Because if she didn't have any money on her and she got caught in the act She couldn't be charged with prostitution. Okay. She just get charged with public and decency. That's a picture of her right there

When she was panhandling on this on the street. Let's take a look there. Oh, wow. She looks happy Yeah, you know a smile can tell a lot, but not necessarily always. You said nowhere as crazy mary crazy mary. Oh good for her Now one thing we know about serial killers is that there's usually a pretty extensive cooling off period between the first and second murders Sometimes it's six months sometimes a year sometimes it's five years and that cooling off period often gets shorter as the killer commits more murders But the speed in which the ripper crew moved on to victims two and three Implies that either a group dynamic shortens the cooling off period or that robin gagged had been murdering on his own Long before he brought eddie tommy and andy into the fold. Is it possible that you just start berserker? After he's been torturing his wife

He's been living a life of sexual depravity. True. So if you have been and those dudes They've been joining in I think that that's a part of it is rosemary Yeah, I maybe other women other sex workers all of them kind of slowly. I think he was slowly In my mind, he was raising them up. He was trained in them So the three of them kind of came along with him did some stuff fucked around and it wasn't until they started That's reason why but they compartmentalized we're like, well, you know We weren't murderers until we started doing it, but they had been talking about it and building it up and building it up That's my feeling

See just a month after killing lynda Sutton eddie and robin picked up another black woman a woman who's this to this day Unidentified she was a hitchhiker They gave her some pills. That was the new mo is that you give them pills first? Yeah, they start to get tired and disoriented up top. Yeah, they can't even do it three on one natty Yes, they have to cheat. They gave her some pills They took her to a cemetery pulled her out of the van and beat her with a baseball bat Eddie then returned to the car, but robin stayed behind and five minutes later robin returned with one of the woman's severed breasts That's when they start that's when he starts taking trophies. That's when he starts. So the other get oh

And this is also I guess this is the main reason why uh Chris evans actually said no to the movie is that right because he said something about this because a lot of them were like We gotta leave in the return with the breast scene And he because he was fighting for that Chris Evans really wanted a lot of the producers fought Are they making a movie on this? No, absolutely Yeah, well about a month after that robin was giving eddie a ride home to pick up his paycheck At wenchel's donut house where eddie worked part time. What's with the bakeries?

Can we leave the bakeries alone? I mean it was just good working for people that need you know, it's an easy training Killers and sweets. I'm telling you man. No, it's interesting. Wenchel's donut house There's none in chicago anymore, but here in la. There's 20. Yeah, there's 20 like our we have an ornamental Donut economy. I have never seen when you don't know what is no one. I don't I eat donuts all the fucking time You do because you have you're wasting Everybody else does it because they're all constantly afraid of sugar and anything could possibly change their body in any way shape or I like my yum yum donuts. Give me my yum yum donuts. Okay. Well, that's very weird, but I just feel like it's covered in blood I just feel like it's like when the ghostbusters get their first call

They're like, what the phone's ringing like all of those are just pipelines for fentanyl And you're the only person that ever buys donuts for me. Oh, you want donuts? They gotta go run out again. What is this? Donuts? Oh, god damn it Well instead of picking up eddie's paycheck at wenchel's donut house The two psychopaths spotted another black woman hitchhiking So robin told eddie to climb back into the rear of the van The woman was then picked up unaware that there was a guy in the back and robin drove her to a forest preserve When robin stopped the car in a suitably secluded area

He tapped twice on the floor of the van Signaling eddie to exit through the back to meet robin up front with a knife and a pair of handcuffs It's like a texas chainsaw massacre, but they hit the cane on the ground to get leather face. Yep. This second hitchhiker Also never identified was handcuffed and led into the woods by robin alone And when he returned five minutes later, he was again in possession of a severed breast These trophies by the way would be kept in robin's van on the floor between the seats Oh god, what is that smell? I mean it's Well, I mean to keep the van from reaching a randycraft level of gore because remember randycraft's car was quite bloody

Right robin kept a five gallon bucket and some dish soap around to clean up after every murder Presumably this was because robin he was still using the van every day for his business. Yeah, it was a business expense Jesus Now the ripper crew went almost a year before their next murder following that three months three kill spree in 1981 But when they returned in may of 1982 they killed at least 15 people holy in less than six months horrifying and wow And a fair share of them had nothing to do with the sex trade and again You really see that it's interesting that there has been so little coverage

But as we were doing this episode we have the book But even the book as we said it's spotty at best and we were putting together like whatever court transcripts We could find all that kind of information putting it all together and it's just crazy to think like they really were terrifying Chicago Yeah a year and no one stopped no one did any no I argue against it. No one knew it was happening I guess it was it They didn't talk about it and we'll talk in the next episode. We'll begin the next episode as to partly why Yeah, it wasn't talked about the other story that was kind of taking all the oxygen out of the room

Oh, yeah, what they said what they said was Yeah, but but there was another big true crime story taking the oxygen out of the room It was the curse of the cubs But they were really concerned with the cubs. Yeah that goat should have been let in But they were also, you know, they were hiding the bodies fairly well most of the time their fourth murder There's four people working on it Yeah, so it's not like it's one guy doing the action and then you deal with the fallout after you've done it And like it's like you got a team of guys working to to hide

It's also four people and any moment one of them could have been like this ain't right. Oh, yeah Yeah, their fourth murder it wasn't connected to the ripper crew at all until eddie spritzer later confessed to everything Because the police had no body until eddie told them where it was at this point this fourth murder The police thought it was a missing persons case. They had this woman just disappeared that happens They just disappeared now details are scant but from what we can piece together robin eddie and tommy And this was tommy's first time out by the way. Oh, okay They saw a 21 year old lorraine borowski walking to her job as a secretary at a local remax real estate office at 8 30 a.m In the wealthy chicago suburb of elmhurst

After following her into her office where she was the first to arrive that day The ripper crew grabbed her and dragged her to the van then took her to a nearby motel Where a gag was stuffed in her mouth and the beating began Now while eddie claimed to have been nothing more than a voyeur up to this point tommy said that both robin and eddie raped her before eddie took out a three foot length of piano wire It was wrapped around lorraine's breast and tightened until the appendage was severed Taking the depravity even further eddie and robin then had sex with the wound in lorraine's chest

Yeah, then robin used his glass axe to finish the job the body was then taken to a cemetery in clarendon hills With a ripper crew hid the remains in a mausoleum and the corpse would stay there until eddie told the police Where to look but it was it was really scary the way she was yanked off the street was also extremely Well, she was yanked out of her office. Yeah, like she was already it's technically like safe Yeah, right and they went and got her and this is this is where the ripper name comes from like it's and it's again It's why there's not one of them again Why one of the reasons why it hasn't really been covered that much is because Every one of these crimes involved this form of mutilation. Yes, and it gets even worse from here

Now on the day of the kidnapping and murder of lorraine borowski It was obvious to her boss when he walked in that something terrible had happened in the office Lorraine shoes were on the floor cosmetics were strewn about the office her keys were left behind And police questioned nearby business owners and in fact one store owner in the same shopping plaza Had a vague memory of a reddish orange van parked in an area of the parking lot That was normally empty and that was the very first seed. Yeah of anybody knowing who these guys were Yeah, now that was a solid lead because it was indeed the van that the ripper crew drove But instead of following that trail the cops listen to the guy who owned the nearby liquor store

Because he said that he had seen Lorraine that morning Getting into a car He said I saw Lorraine. She got into a car the car drove off, but I can't remember What kind of car it was all I know is that it's a car Was he sipping on his own supply? I don't know but she was literally taken out of her own shoes But she didn't get into her car. Yeah, so the detective on the case brought in another detective Who also happened to be a certified hypnotist? All right. Now what's going on here?

This guy, you know, some guys have multi multi skills, you know, but it is strange It's kind of scary if you met a detective that was also hypnotist. It does feel like a television show Yeah, it does. I just watched your murder. She wrote episode which I always catch the new episodes And uh, the hypnotist did it by hypnotizing somebody to kill That's cool. It was cool. I love I love murder. She wrote. Oh, it's the best show ever. It's wonderful I prefer when it was I wish it was murder. She writes Because then it'd be more present. It would be wouldn't it now that she is and I was looking back. No, she's not dead Angela Lunsberry is still with us. Yes. She is

Is she? Yeah, I think she's recently dead. No, I think she died this like last year. No No, I just watched your new show. Pretty sure she died last year. I just watched your new show yesterday She died in october 11th of uh, yeah, she died she died last year. She was pulled apart by a bunch of golden retrievers Oh, no kidding. That's unbelievable. I can't believe they put up corpse pictures mystery souls new show I think murder she wrote ended in 1994 Yeah, but it's new to him Well, this hypnotist came in and after supposedly digging into the liquor store owner subconscious Keep her deep. Oh my god. Get out of here. The detective was told that Lorraine borowski had definitely gotten

Into a sports car Either a thunderbird or a cougar. She was just so excited that she was like, I've got to go She kicked her shoes off. She threw her stuff everywhere. I've got to get in that car She's rolling out to america's grayness diners ravinson. No, I mean a thunderbird is the exact opposite of a red dodge van Yeah, no, it's he this guy really fucked it up. It didn't help. Yeah. Well, the investigation went nowhere because they didn't So the liquor store got fucked it up. The nice thing about this guy is that he helped me quit smoking That's what I love So yes, he did derail an investigation that could have saved multiple lives, but he's got my wife barking like a dog every time

It's her birthday I love this But even though the ripper crew had taken a year between murders three and four Murders five through 20 Would occur would occur in a short six month period that was barely covered by the press Holy shit in addition the crew themselves would begin dabbling in rituals And cannibalism and that's where we'll pick back up next time for the conclusion to our series on the chicago rippers Oh, oh great

This is some old school heavy hitter territory. It's been a long time since we've been here Sometimes I do flash back to like a 2014 version of what I would say And it is but it's crazy this crime. This crime series got no Coverage really as you could see why it's a bit difficult. But you know, that's why it needs to be fucking covered That's what we say. Well, I mean it was uh every once in a while like when I was googling a couple of uh stories on it Manic murderers comes up satanic murderers always comes up. I don't think they're smart enough to be satanic murderers We'll get to it. But you know, there is every once in a while like a chicago station We'll say like, you know, the infamous chicago rippers, you know, the infamous story. Yeah, like

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