Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 531: The Chicago Rippers Part II - Lets Get Into It

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

Get out your Diamond Tier Card because this one's gonna get rough... This week the boys GET INTO IT and conclude the gruesome tale of The Chicago Rippers. As the murder count rises into double digits, The Ripper Crew's sadistic attacks branch out from sex workers to any unlucky woman who crossed their path, until one resilient survivor would help put an end to their nearly 2-year spree of terror.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Chicago rippers won't sit next to a real Wisconsin ripper right here. It's because of the spark No, that's not true. This whole place smells like broccoli and it does nothing to do with me. Mr. Zabrowski I don't know, but that's the best joke. I'm gonna have to bet That's it. What an episode it's gonna be. It's already out. You want me an intro right now You usually do like 30 minutes or 30 minutes. 30 seconds. I mean the comedy is so good I could have it for 30 minutes. That's what everybody's you know what they call me the Chicago ripper because of my fart

I said it is the Wisconsin ripper that's where you're from. It's different again I do prefer the way I phrased it and because the audience always says more banter up top more One thing when I listen to a podcast that I really I always think like I hope that they talk Bull about bullshit that I don't care about for 20 minutes before they actually get to the top Well, let's just jump right in Speaking that Marcus, what do you think of the new series of top chef? Welcome to last podcast on the left everyone bed hanging out with Henry and Marcus It's a hot day and indeed Henry is wearing his hot boy short. Yeah, look at him. Wow

Those are something else your legs are in full bloom. It's summer time summer time indeed My legs are just condensing. They're doing something It's these meats that were tough the meats the highest on my thighs towards my balls are like that's the that's the worst part of me It's getting a little Meg Ryan. It's getting a little leathery there. Oh No, not really. She's still beautiful to me. She fakes an orgasm. Yeah, like women do that. Okay. Here we go Chicago rippers part two. I like that. This was the this is the how do you put it? Maybe at least prepared the top of this episode Going into probably one of our most grizzly stories. We've told in years. Yeah, man

I'm just ran into Marcus on the stairs the other day, you know, we do on the stairs It's like a prison around here. And yeah, he said a couple of things we'll be talking about today and it's Thoroughly disgusting because I gagged just thinking about the dog hair on the underwear last week, right? Oh, it's gonna get so we're all prepared now. No, no today is gonna get your goat I don't want to think about animals in any way Don't because yeah, I don't I don't want a goat to have to witness any of this No So when we last left the Chicago Rippers, they're most devastating and shortest run of murders following the kidnapping and murder of Lorraine

Barowski was just beginning what came next was six months of pure mayhem on the streets of Chicago They had a very short career the Chicago Ripper crew, but they made it count. Wow. Sounds like an XFL team Yes, wow, I think the Chicago Rippers is their Now as we said last episode the murders themselves got very little press while they were happening that being said there are Reasons behind that dearth of coverage outside of the harsh fact the majority of the victims were black sex workers first of all Chicago had a Lot of murders in the late 70s and early 80s. It was kind of hobby in there It was a big thing

Chicago hit its peak murder rate in 1974 at 970 Wow and between 1979 and 1981 the years in which the Rippers were active Chicago still averaged 865 murders per year seven of which were related to quote-unquote sex and perversion And at first I was like that's actually not a lot There's only 365 days a year, but if you look at the amount of murders It's not a lot in there, but I wonder how much was reported I wonder what if what is what then done to a sex worker does that count to them? Do they decide to let it all go because this is one of those they decided you have to have a legit person be murdered for them to

Count that's just Chicago. That's not even counting Peoria. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that is a lot of bodies in Peoria Yeah, no that that is true That is just Chicago proper But the fact remains that the year in which the Chicago Rippers were the most active the number of murders related to so-called sex and perversion They more than doubled to 18 from the year before so it's not like the needle wasn't being noticeably moved Everybody was hustle. Yeah, but to be fair It's not like these bodies were always being left in obvious sites where they'd be found immediately Some of these were left to decompose in fields for months before they were discovered and others weren't found until one of the

Rippers led police to the bodies themselves in my personal opinion The reason why there wasn't a lot of coverage is because nobody knew that there were three to four guys out there Murdering. I mean also, do you want to believe it? No, I don't Because it's very scary. Yeah, it's four four three to four Ramirez is out there. Yeah, horrifying. They are though. There are yeah Well, I know well, let's not think about it But according to Jade Slade Fletcher author of our source deadly thrills The biggest reason why the Chicago papers didn't cover the Chicago Ripper murder sufficiently is because Chicago Was simultaneously in the thrall of the Tylenol murderer

Whoa, that story is crazy. Did they ever find out who did that? Not necessarily. Well, not officially I think it was big Advil If there was anybody if there was a bone-o, I mean New Brun See back in 1982 at the exact time but the Rippers were ripping Seven random people in the Chicago area died from taking Tylenol capsules that have been filled with potassium Cyanide by persons unknown this story is fucking wild and we are sort of not fully but half burning an entire series Because we're gonna go into this we're not we're not but we need to do we will this story as a whole because it's fucking wild Yeah, so crazy. Yeah, I mean

We're not burning this series any more than like going and reading a Wikipedia page is gonna prevent you the listener from listening to a series I mean, I'm definitely gonna do a full like a rundown on the Tylenol murders. We already solved it New Brun new Brun. Where were you? Bono, exactly. Now speaking objectively the Tylenol murder story had more legs when it came to sell in papers Because anyone could have been a victim at any time. Oh, yeah, it's like when Joker, you know in the first Michael Keaton Batman It'll be like put poison in all the cosmetics in Gotham City Love that Joker For example, the first known victim was a 12 year old named Mary Kellerman

Who was given a Tylenol after waking up with the cold her condition naturally got worse after taking the pill So she was hospitalized and she died the following day without anyone making the connection of Tylenol death They thought she died of a stroke. Yeah, and then a few hours after she died a poster worker named Adam Janus Dropped dead after taking a Tylenol But the cause of death was pegged as a massive heart attack Overwhelmed with grief and this is the huge strategy This is during the day when the whole family's arrived to grieve over this horrible Yeah, Janus's brother and sister-in-law

Also took pills from the same bottle of Tylenol and they also dropped dead. Oh my god It's like the movie Clue with the cognac. Yeah, and don't drink it Yeah, and there was like in the county where all this happened They only had like one medical official which was just this nurse and so this nurse like went to the house and said like okay Everybody stopped taking everything. I need to look at the fucking pills here and she looked she tested She's like this is it do not that it's in the Tylenol and then Hero of all of it. Oh, she really is because before like even before she came out with it They came out with it really quick seven people died people free and it all from seven. It was seven different people died

What eight bottles of Tylenol will purchase from seven different stores It was all over the place you then figured out that it wasn't it wasn't sourced at the the production plant right Someone was doing this at the site of wherever the the pills were found the whole city went to a panic Well, you have that person to thank for how difficult it is to open those GD bottles today I don't mind it. Oh, you really do. I mean all reason. I it helps Well as I said eventually seven people would die across Chicago from taking Tylenol that had been tampered with into Jade Slade's point The murders coincided with the mysterious disappearance of one of the rippers non-sex worker victims And that disappearance got lost in the shuffle. Yeah, cuz Tylenol affects families to them

You know, everybody loves these precious family. They once is like, oh these children are the future But well, I won't say most of the time they spend it. It's they seem to be spending the future on tic-tac Well, very brave statement. Very brave. It's actually mostly elderly people who are totally broken on tic-tac Yeah, we as we have seen as we have seen why as a side note the Tylenol murders have never been officially solved Although it is suspected that a con artist named James Lewis was the perpetrator Because he sent a ransom note to Johnson and Johnson demanding one million dollars Stop contaminating pills. It's this is just that is the most simple way to talk about this story Yeah, because James Lewis is a career con man that him and his wife

He's this story is fucking wild. There's a lot of twists and turns. We can't get into it But I think you know in my mind, he did it You know one who did it seems like he sent a ransom note. So well to the point of the continuing media coverage in lieu of the Ripper murders an amateur chemist named Roger Arnold was named as a suspect in the Tylenol murders He's looked evil. Yeah, he looked evil But he suffered a mental breakdown because the media hounded him so aggressively But he looked like to be honest kind of had Nazi face right where you look at him. Yeah, very long drawn It's the circle glass. Yeah, it's the hourly glasses. Yeah, well, so they Richard Pearl them a little bit

Oh, you did it and they haunted this poor man. He did also. What is an amateur chemist? If not a crystal meth maker What is that? What is an amateur chemist? I do amateur chemistry every day I put some seltzer and some bourbon. I'm like, oh, it's a smile cocktail Yeah, that really helps you throw some Advil and then you smoke a bunch of weed and you eat some Advil PM on top of the Normal Advil and then next thing you're like, oh the family likes me again chemistry Yeah, but what kind of American are you to fucking tell me that I can't do chemistry in my garage? That's my freedom know if that makes you a chemist and amateur chemist. I have a lab code

I put it on Amazon. Okay. I got a little tag. It says a pharmacist H. Subrowski on it Mm-hmm. Sounds like that other guy we covered that blew himself up. Mm-hmm. Yes Well in great distress Roger Arnold set out to murder the man whom he thought had ratted him out the bartender at his local He was just like Yeah, yeah, it's because you kept ordering Manhattan's this is a fucking dive bar, dude. You get beer. Yeah, it's shot True. Yeah, the bartender at the local. He was some big fat guy named Marty Sinclair Tragically though Marty Sinclair wasn't the only big fat guy in Chicago And instead of shooting Marty Sinclair Roger Arnold shot another big fat guy named John Stanishe

Yeah, he had Ditka face. Yeah, they were both for them. They were for them. They were both almost exactly 350 pounds Man, I shot the wrong Oh god, you could chill but if you put them both in a tub of water They would dip this place the same amount so you could see why he was so confused Naturally, it's not so much a lineup as much as like a lay down. Yeah Well Roger subsequently went to prison for murder while big fat John Stanishe is now Unofficially considered the eighth victim of the Tylenol murderer. Okay, you know I got into a little bit of a research hole the other day about how

One of the secret benefits of being very big being very fat is that you're actually less likely to die of gunshot wounds and Accidental like that like falling down research hole. It was 30 seconds live on serious rating I was deeper. I look back a deeper deeper into my material there Yeah, you can I found it's because you could really your fads actually kind of like it helps Yeah, it really helps and in today's America, isn't that a benefit? I feel like that's why so many people survived in January 6 Pure belly fat really protect that a lot of work. I just love that literally from your mouth to the presidency Or he's just gonna have a whole conversation about getting kids fatter

They face every day time it's time to get fat again. Yeah, America fat There we go fat for the fur. We are fat now. We weren't you ever You see pictures Now but let's continue to be continue. Let's get really get on this Wally train Now the Tylenol murders is a great fucking story and I didn't even get into a quarter of the entry No, but perhaps most importantly as to why it got top-billing over the Rippers the Tylenol murders are nowhere near as Disgusting or disturbing. Oh, yeah. Yes. What do you think? Many actors are chosen over me

It's very it's like Tylenol murders. We're ready. It's ready for primetime. Yeah It was easy. I mean, yes people of course, they have an appetite for blood They always have and they always will but no matter how many so-called true crime booms come and go The vast majority of people have a limit and let me tell you my friends today Your limit will be tested take it to the limit for the first time ever That's why we're giving out last podcast on the left diamond class This is what you get now you get a lanyard This is a diamond now, this is where we're at for this episode. I thought you're gonna say barf bag

Yeah, no if you're throwing up I turn off the show you're weak Yeah, you should if you're throwing up you shouldn't you're listening to the wrong show. Yeah Don't find something that makes you happy. Yeah, go to the Pepto-Bismol hour with Rachel Maddow Oh, that would be fun. Stop listening to things that make you upset. It's not good for you. Release yourself. Yeah mad I won't make you upset at all. No, I sometimes I'm like, let me get those bangs So on the same day that the title of all murders began in Chicago a woman named Shoy Mack was murdered by the Chicago Rippers just two weeks after the 8 a.m. Kidnapping and murder of Lorraine Borowski Now as it was with Lorraine, Shoy Mack was not a sex worker because by this point the Rippers were acting on near instinct

Taking every opportunity to pick up and murder any young woman alone on the streets no matter what she did for a living So Shoy Mack was a 30 year old Chinese immigrant who had been driving home with her brother Kent After they'd helped close down their family's Chinese food restaurant Behind them in their own car were the owners of that Chinese food restaurant Shoy and Kent's parents Tragically though Shoy and her brother got into a tiff during the drive So Shoy's brother kicked her out of the car thinking that her parents would see her and pick her up Never get away with that as a brother. No, just kick her out and say like oh She's always grabbing and stuff I'll find her in the tire. Well, you can't get rid of her

No, I think she'd kick you out for sure. She's trying she's got an even lower center of gravity than me So she can come up harder with the big was it a pile drive? Absolutely push up with the elbows. Yeah, and again because I'm so top-heavy and bottom-low when bottom little The seatbelt holds my gut, but my legs actually only kind of stick out a little bit Yes, and so I am actually much easier to topple over out of a car than Jackie because Jackie is more low set Yeah, absolutely and has a history of bullying But that's kind of why you got a whacker over the head with the sock full of pennies or something Good luck. Yeah, because again, she's looking through the pennies

But when shoy's parents arrived at their house after shoy's brother can't discover that his parents had missed shoy Standing on the shoulder. Yeah, cuz it's very random that you kicked your sister out of a fucking moving car I mean I'm moving but he stopped you kid and it's 2 a.m. It's very late. That's a big fight. Yeah, it must have been It wasn't that big. I think it was something like sad he had moved a table like he had stood on a table to paint Something and she was mad. I was like you can't do that the customers eat there Oh, I see at the restaurant It was some dumb petty argument Fucking like bar like the type of fight you see on kitchen nightmares, you know, like that sort of bickering

Yeah Rubbish, of course This is Gordon Ramsay rubbish, you know your mind. Yeah, absolutely extraordinary No, he didn't know if you watch I watch a lot of a lot of Masterchef. It's extraordinary. Yeah, he puts all words together He does he's actually very kind on the kids one on the kids one. Yeah, it's constructive criticism and people can understand If you're gonna be in Masterchef kitchen, you need to have your head in no It's not always constructive criticism

Sometimes he puts two pieces of bread on someone's side of the head and says what am I and then they that person has to say an idiot sandwich What's constructive about that? That's Gordon Ramsay on Hell's Kitchen Masterchef He's more of a leader and a guide or house kitchen. He's understand if you can't take the heat Gordon Ramsay, then you don't belong it. It's literally Hell's Kitchen Let's get back to hell in Chicago in the 1970s, please I didn't even get into my opinions of the kitchen nightmares I sacrificed them for the good of the show. Thank you. Let's just get right into it Well, let's just hop right in let's just hop right in let's just get into it Well, of course when Kent and his parents went back to pick up shoy, they found that she was gone

Oh, no, her extreme misfortune Shoy Mac had been picked up by the red van driven by Robin Gecht and the Ripper crew Now according to Eddie spritzer He and Robin have been driving around near 2 a.m. When they saw shoy Mac standing on the side of the road Robin quickly told Eddie to get in the back and then he picked up shoy and after driving for about 20 minutes Robin stopped and tapped twice, which was the signal for Eddie to emerge Horrifying after pulling shoy out of the van Robin and Eddie beat her before Robin cut off her breast while Eddie held a wire around her throat Robin then told Eddie to go grab a knife from the van

But when he returned he found that Robin was having sex with the wounds in shoy's chest Robin then took the knife and cut open shoy's stomach, which was apparently too much for Eddie at that point That was too much. That's the line. That's the line He got nauseous and returned to the van or that's what he claimed. Yeah, and Robin joined him soon after they drove off Leaving shoy max mutilated body behind in the field where she was murdered. What's that conversation like so? That was a little weirder, huh? What the fuck dude? I don't believe a word Eddie says when it comes I it's hard when it comes to his participation and how much you participated Eddie spritzer in his confessions

What's trying to see? We'll get into this a little bit later on Yes, we'll get into a but far more the cops interrogated them in a circle, right? And they kept where they would go back and forth between each one and kind of what we call the prisoner's dilemma Where you go in in cop interrogation parlance you go up to the one guy being like, you know Your other buddy already told us everything right so that you can kind of figure out where all these lines are Eddie spritzer Always kind of an eye on Making sure Robin get was still the most evil one. They all knew that they all knew to do that

So at any point Eddie spritzer would think oh This is how I in a way because everybody's in all human beings are fighting for a way to Validate choices that you make even if they're bad good and bad right you want do you want to feel like you're correct? And so Eddie spritzer would say things these weird qualifiers of like and that was too much Yeah, right I wouldn't go that far even though you're already aiding and betting one of the worst series of crimes in crime history Yeah, he he was trying if that was his way of saving face Yeah, I think that later on the satanic cult stuff would also be at the same function Yeah, well quote-unquote satanic cult

Okay, it would take four months for shoy max decomposed body to be discovered by a trucker Who somehow spotted the corpse from the highway when no one else had what's your trucker for you? He's looking for bodies. That's how always says I wish my super if I had a superpower It would be to know where all skeletons were at all times. That's good. What a superpower. What a So that way I could that way I could lean over to Carolina. I could say like hey There's a skeleton now. Why now that is the most useless thing I've ever Unless you think it would get her like crazy horny now It would just be fun and then we could you know, just they hang out do you think eventually at some point

It would be a girl of a form of sexual paranoia Eventually she'd be like I we can't have sex here There's too many skeletons here and then you have to start lying me like there's no skeletons anywhere You scan me like I can't see any skeletons over here and that's I where you figure out where you're gonna have sex You know the history of this country, right? You're gonna be haunted. It was kind of like it was nice because we that when we showed up We had a crate sort of a carpet of bodies Yeah, because it was the ground was so cuz no one else was here. Yeah, no one's like all these people that are why are they here?

They don't know right here. Well speaking of which the site where shoy mac was murdered It was only a mile and a half from where shoy's brother had thrown her out of the car Oh my god Now by the time shoy max body was found four months after her death Chicago police had started to notice that out of the hundreds of Murders they had to deal with every once in a while a woman's body would show up with one or both breasts missing a sergeant pepperoni Here's the deal. Why don't you go sprinkle a little Tylenol on that body? Yeah, I mean, and now I'm looking at right stomachs cut open right face mutilated breasts are gone strong Tylenol This has got to be Tylenol. Well, this of course meant that Chicago was unlucky enough to be dealing with the serial killer

It's always the last thing a police department wants. They don't want to deal with it No, because they're so incredibly difficult to even investigate much less solved Yeah, you always got to wait until they trip up, but that's the thing is that once they do trip up you need forensic evidence in order to Make sure that these guys get put away and a lot of times as we've seen again and again with serial killer investigations The bodies get exhumed and so the Chicago police were very upfront to the Mac family saying like hey if you bury her We're probably gonna have to exhume the body thing was is that the max were devout Buddhists Yeah, and their beliefs stated that once a body is buried it shall not be disturbed. So these people had to go through the Further indignity of having Shoy's body stored in the medical examiner's facility

Until Eddie spritzer was convicted three years after her murder and then only then was her body a lot to be laid to rest At least though I mean the only thing I'll say is that this is a family at least got some closure Like a lot of these people got no closure because as we've talked before about sex worker murder It's a myth that no one's looking for these people. Yes, it is absolutely not true. There are other they have connections They're not just it. They're not just sex robots. They have friends and family that are also looking for them It's just a you need to have a police department that cares Yeah, most of the time like if women are out on the street doing sex work

They're doing it because they have somebody that are they're connected to yeah, because they have somebody that they're trying to take care Try to make money. Yeah Now investigators got their first real lead in the Chicago Ripper case in June of 1982 But at the time not enough bodies had been found to establish that a serial killer was loose So the survival of a victim was not as big of a deal as you might think put differently If you think that it's hard to get cops to investigate the murder of a sex worker before they start piling up Imagine how difficult it is to get cops to investigate one Attempted murder. Yeah, so in June of 1982 a sex worker named Angel York was on her corner on North Avenue

When Robin Gecht pulled up alone in his red van she had a 45 in her face and ordered her to get inside After driving a few blocks to a deserted factory district Robin forced Angel through a plywood door that separated the cab from the van's cargo hold Now what's interesting about this attempted murder is that it's one of the few in which Robin acted alone or at least It's one of the few that we know of yeah Yeah, we we all believe that we did something beforehand. Yeah, but it's doubly interesting because Robin specifically chose To not murder Angel York It's almost like he couldn't do it without his little butt boys watching him do it as well Yeah, that was there anything like he wanted her to tell the story

Like was it like? No, no because it wasn't like that it's the opposite he doesn't we want no he wants no one to know yeah Now after binding her feet and handcuffing her right hand to her left foot and her left hand to a shelf Robin put duct tape over Angel's mouth and got undressed himself He then pulled out a long knife uncuffed one of her hands pointed the gun in her face and told her to cut her own breast Now Angel did as much as she could but she soon started to pass out that's when Robin reached over and ripped the wound open before he had sex with the wound and Ejaculated into it. He then covered the wound with duct tape and kicked Angel out of the van without killing her

Wow, so gross. It's very gross. You're right I Will say at no point. You're not like yum. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, that's nasty stuff Well security guards soon found her barely alive and she was taken to a nearby hospital where she gave a statement describing Robin and The van the van she was really fucked up Yeah, oh, yeah, it took a long time for them to get the statement and then but they did they were technically on it Well, I mean they were on it in that they took a statement. Yeah, not necessarily on it and they actually looked for the guy I mean, they took it down that he's a greasy little white guy

He's driving a red van and they she said that he had a roach clip hanging from his rear view mirror That held two feathers a blue feather and a white feather But seems like the police just added the van to the watch out for this guy pile Yeah, and then they didn't say like holy fuck. We got to go find this guy today It's just like, okay, watch out for a guy in a red van. He's been beating up hookers and that's the most they're gonna do with Yes, yeah Now Robin Geck was alone during his near deadly assault on Angel York and as far as we know Those were somewhat rare

From what it seems like half of the charge that Robin got from these murders wasn't directing the other three members of the Ripper crew to commit horrific acts One possible example of this if it is true is what Tommy Cocorellis claimed Tommy said that Robin forced the other three members of the Ripper crew to eat the breasts of their victims Dearing satanic rituals held in Robin's apartment. It's known as the Chicago cream doughnut No, they're a Zeppelie people. They are a Zeppelie people that is definitely a Nepali Zeppel Yeah, my goodness. However, these claims must be taken with an enormous grain of salt I do a loaf of salt a full size

But I will book so is this the time are we gonna we gonna want to get into it Let's get into the satanic claims of the Ripper crew which of course everything that I read with the Ripper crew It's always satanic murderers It's the first fucking sentence and everything is always satanic murder satanic gang satanic ritual Small cult. Yeah reporters love they just love to love to say it You know when there was a whole satanic panic thing we'll talk about it But it was an episode of American occult It also features the Chicago Ripper crew because everyone's very fascinated with this angle

Don't know about whether or not they were an organized cult and I'm just gonna say do you think that they're that organized? I don't I don't think they're that organized. No, I don't think they're organized. I don't think they're a cult I don't think Satan had anything to do with it Never does but he never does I'm gonna do with murder. Yeah, but let's get Come if you're even come out of a bucket seat might have something to do with it No, while it is said that Robin had an altar of sorts in his attic And while it is said that a copy of the satanic Bible was found in his apartment It was a best-seller and it was also a huge thing in the 70s to have in your house

So it was like, you know be here now or one of those other books where it was cool to have it was super cool to have Yeah, it made you super edgy. Yeah, I had a copy of the satanic. It's like now. It just makes you like cool super legit Oh, yeah, it's super cool now. It's not an edgelord thing at all. No, not at all. No, it's really cool I like that. I like those shirts not today Jesus This is where the commercialization when we talked about this with Shane Morton when he were doing your pretty face is going to hell Because I remember we were always talking about he's like one day the whole world's gonna be shouting Hail Satan and I didn't think it was gonna be like this Yeah, it's very Satan's very cute, which I do but he's he's fun, but I don't think he's cute Yeah, yeah, I never thought Satan would be on coffee cups, you know, it's not real

Well while it is said that all those things were found in Robin's apartment It's important to remember what we know about the satanic panic of the 80s and what we know about the patterns of the satanic panic Specifically, it's important to know how easily children were led on by investigators to make fucked up nonsensical claims Yeah, I was flushed down a toilet old grandma played the piano all that sorts of bullshit West Memphis three stuff Yes, well, that's the thing That's exactly the point that I'm getting to in the case of the Chicago Rippers We don't have a child, but we do have someone with the intelligence of a child namely Tommy Cocorellis if you watch there's a current interview of Tommy Cocorellis of when he got out of jail in

2019 and which is a long story that will sell that we'll talk a little bit at the end of the episode, but Tommy Cocorellis Is I am Sam He did do a thing that they said that Ben Stiller should never do Yeah, he is not like the brightest No egg no doesn't no, I think Sean Penn should have to be the character from I am Sam every time he goes to Ukraine It might help it might help he could teach them a simplicity of love isn't it nice cuz that's what the Russians need to hear They just need to see one happy Just me he's sure he's a little simple

He's a little slow, but he gets something that you don't get what you understand sometimes so about you just gotta take off your shoes You gotta dance the grass you have to dance in the grass. I am Sam versus for his gump Let's see it in the mood Oh, yeah, but Barry. I am Sam. Oh my god. I'm here. Oh, you would fucking bet bounce. I am Sam Yeah, if you ever read the sequel to Forrest Gump. No that think was called gumping company Yeah, you would see that Forrest Gump, you know what he did eventually he went into space with Raquel Welch and a chimp Yeah, he will space dude Again, it's not real

That is not happening. I think he's realer than God and Satan Well, he has a movie We got Tom Hanks. He has the outfit Well, that is true. He dressed up as Forrest Gump, but it's basically the same thing. Yeah, now we're getting back into chaos magic Yeah, that's true. I would I do wonder if there's any make-a-wish kid. He's like, I just want to see Forrest Gump and then Tom Hanks has to dress up Well, speaking of Forrest Gump, Tommy Cocorellis had the Forrest Gump IQ. It was 75 Actually, I think Forrest Gumps might have been 72. Well, I've never met a model kid more about a child's education Really talented work Henry

Well IQ tests, they're not the be all end all when it comes to intelligence. I know that they're extraordinarily flawed No, but even so a score of 75 doesn't inspire confidence in a man's cognitive skills You know what doesn't either when you look at his eyeballs and he has the same eyeballs You remember the kooky gremlin from Gremlins 2? He's got two big dumb eyeballs looking in the same direction They're constantly whirling around That means he's thinking Oh, yeah, that's good See Satanic panic cases

When your eyeballs look like the things that mix up slushies at the movie theater, that's how you know you really think Oh, he's having an internal debate Well, see Satanic panic cases were notorious for creating massive satanic conspiracies that had no grounding in reality These conspiracies were often created through extended games of yes and that occur between investigators and victims Sometimes however that game will be played by investigators and suspects And invariably those suspects weren't the brightest bulbs in the box and they were almost always people pleasers Well now what if we are an orange Julius? What if I started a restaurant called Julius Orange? Oh my god

Time to investigate the murders But wait, first of all, wait a second Did you just say Julius Orange? This simple murder is the best business man I've ever met in my life It would be really nice, it would be an affordable kind of nice sugary treat We got to send him to Rush Ambry This guy's got to talk to Putin According to Tommy's confession concerning the satanic elements of the murders

The Ripper crew would gather in Robin's apartment after his wife went to work And there in the apartment in the apartment's attic They would worship something or other at an altar adorned with six red and black crosses How do you know apartments had attics? Sometimes they do This is a multi-floor Wow Well after they were all knelt together around the altar

Robin would produce the breasts of murder victims from a trophy box And while he read passages from the Christian Bible To Salihit Oh Each man would masturbate onto a severed breast Then after everyone You know how to I know, I know, yep, the old salty boozy

Very good, very good After everyone icky'd their cookie Yeah Robin would allegedly Can you say gloobie the boobie? Yeah, I guess you could You could, you could Robin would allegedly cut up the breast and hand the pieces around for everyone to eat

That's what Tommy came for I don't like that at all I want my own Yeah Why do I gotta share? Why do I gotta share with Andrew? They like their peppers and they don't put ketchup on their hot dogs They use tomatoes

That is what they do Well Tommy said that while he was only involved in two murders He participated in dozens of these rituals When police asked him why he participated so many times Tommy said in all seriousness That Robin had supernatural powers You know Gandalf? Yeah

Do you know Gandalf? I don't know him like that Yeah, I commit murders with him Oh really? Gandalf would never do that No, he wouldn't And Tommy was therefore afraid of what Robin would do if Tommy didn't go along with everything I do believe that might be kind of true

I have a theory I have a super theory Well Tommy elaborated, saying quote And this is an exact quote And Henry, I want you to do this exactly as he said it Yes He looks into your eyes And tells you to do something

And you just have to do it You'll be real careful When you talk to him, Detective Sam Don't you look into his eyes He'll get you too So Julius Orange now, is that going to be more of a pop-up Or something in the malls? I don't like anything that pops up because I get scared

Wow, you are too stupid to kill He was Yeah, that's the thing about the satanic connection Is that after really getting into this story Tommy's confessions give me pause If only because I see a lot of parallels Between him and Jesse Miss Kelly of the West Memphis 3 Jesse was himself a low IQ individual

Who was led into a false confession of ritualistic murder That led to murder convictions and one near execution All while the other two members of the West Memphis 3 Are like, what the fuck are you talking about? I didn't do anything That was the saddest Oh yes I mean that was so very sad

But with the West Memphis 3 Two majority were literally saying We had nothing to do with any of this And one was kind of being led on by the police In this case, the other three They did come out and in confessions at first All said that this shit, some of this shit happened Three of them out of the four

Said that they all consumed a breast That they had all came on I mean they all said They're closer to doing it than us But they recanted it They all said after the fact that none of it was true Well, to the point of your round robin The prisoner's dilemma that you said earlier

Will definitely get into how Tommy came to confess To all this Satanism Or quote-unquote confess to all these Like all this satanic shit But I think it was a case of the cops Taking Tommy's satanic shit Because Tommy wants to please people He wants, all he wants to do is see a smile on your face

Or say good job Tommy Say good job Tommy Yeah, that's all he wants And then they take the cops take the satanic shit And the other guy like Eddie Spretzer Who only wants you to be scared of him And he only wants you to think that you're He wants a cop to look at him and go

My god You're the worst criminal I've seen since my father Actually it's part of the reason why I'm a police officer You're so evil I feel like I can confess to you He just starts eating a pack of cigarettes And so he says Oh, I expected you to pick the wrong gay to quit eating cigarettes And so Eddie and Andy

And the crew, Tommy's brother, they both say like Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did satanic shit We did that shit all the fucking time That's how fucking evil we are Because again, they're all tiny little fucks They're all greasy little shitheads You're now put in a super max prison What's a good way to keep everybody from fucking with you immediately?

I'm a satanic cannibal that has superpowers What Homer did, but it didn't really work out for him No, it did not But I also, I think that there, I always believe there's a middle way I think there is a way When you are all doing You're already at the peak Of the most depraved actions a human can do

Yeah, you're a real bad shit And what we've known about every other serial killer For the most part, they have like lines in the sand Some of them do Have lines, well I don't go, I don't do this I don't do this, I don't do this We see a lot of times, like Ted Bundy Was denied the cannibalism

Even though at first he was like Super all about it, he was super into it And the necrophilia I think he denied too Trying to say no to, but it's There's something Wasn't Bundy, wasn't it just the necrophilia that he was into? Yes, he said anything But he didn't say anything about cannibalism

But he did do when it comes to the killing of the young girl He's like, I would never do it I would never do that I should like that But this guy, I think on some point You've been doing all these fucked up shit together This idea gets floated Yeah

And we are all doing super evil stuff Because I think that Robin Gek Much like the CIA probably did Various sections of MKUltra, this is true You're gonna bring in Walter? What does this have to do with Vietnam? How are we, how the fuck in 10 seconds? They purposely dressed up in satanic robes

So people wouldn't believe what they were doing Right, so they would say you're doing You're setting up these crazy scenarios And then like doing the Bill Murray thing No one's gonna believe you Because the guy was wearing a Bill Clinton mask And now back to Robert Gek Robin Gek

Used this quote unquote satanic line Like it was a character that he'd bring out That would bring the other two Because Eddie Spretzer was on the same page As Robin Gek And he would help bring dummy one and dummy two Closer in for them all to believe That he has magic powers

He probably also liked the role play of it I imagine at some point Something like it came out And they were having some freaky dumb ass night together And they decided to do something like this But it was never organized at all No, I think that they had a freaky deaky night Where they ended up eating breasts

But I think it was more just getting a little bit too drunk And just thinking, but there was no But I don't think there was any ritual I think Robin Gek is a far more canny criminal Than the other three obviously Of course, but I think that all the satanic shit Was made up in the room I think it was all made up in the interrogation room

But I do think it's definitely cannibalism Because if you look at other ripper cases You know, the red ripper, Andre Cicatillo Also, eventually these cases end up in cannibalism Yeah, I mean he's already having sex with open wounds Cannibalism is not that far Actually cannibalism is not as bad as that You know what? I'm on your side

Tough to say, tough to say Tough to say See Eddie Spretzer never explicitly implicated Tommy In any of the murders or the sexual assaults He was there though Well, that's the thing The psychiatrist who have studied his case Since his incarceration described him as a people pleaser

With again, a very low IQ Doesn't really sound like a people pleaser Yeah, it did sound like he wanted to please everybody Yeah, like is that like it was like Mengele Just trying to please Hitler Like I don't know like Is it? I don't know

As we'll discuss later Chicago police weren't always the most ethical When it came to eliciting confessions No Now I will admit it is definitely a toss up As to whether Tommy was involved in the murders Most likely he was, as you said Henry Most likely he was involved in at the very least

Sexual assaults at some point I think he was there You know what I mean? Like maybe not during certain crimes he was there Certain crimes, yeah But I don't think he ever participated in murders But you know, he definitely deserved to go to jail Close enough

He should probably still be in jail Yeah He's free now and a Christian Yeah, we'll get to it But I will also say that I'm always suspicious When a confession is paired with unsubstantiated claims Of wacky satanic rituals We always are, of course

Because I've been in wacky satanic rituals And they're largely very nice Yeah And they're certainly helping your career out They were for a while Yeah And my point will be strengthened later in this episode When we discuss the original source

Of these cultish claims Now after the attack on Angel York All police knew was that they might be looking for a little guy With greasy hair driving a red van But from what I can tell They hadn't quite connected him to the Ripper Murders themselves Because I don't think they knew at this point That the Ripper Murders had happened

I don't think they knew that a serial killer existed just yet Right after Angel York was found Because I would make that connection You'd make that connection Yeah, now I would But that ambiguity would change very quickly into certainty After Angel York came sex worker Sandra Delaware Whose body was left under a bridge

After being gang raped by Andy, Eddie and Robert As a final indignity before she died Andy forced the neck of a wine bottle Up her anus then made her sit on it Oh my He then pushed her down on the bottle Shoving it up into her innards And releasing a large pool of blood

I'm sorry Fernando God, it's disgusting He's doing his best They might be the nastiest fucking pieces of shit we've covered I saw Angel Ketter And there's still more to go You ain't no little kids, they still put up their area That's Rock Terrio, that crew there

There's something about this though That's really just so frightening After Sandra was marketing executive Rose Davis Whose very public murder was arguably What finally brought the Chicago Rippers To the front pages of the Chicago Papers Wow, so how did they get a hold of her then? Kidnapped her off the fucking street

She was walking down the street That became their MO So they were just like sex workers They were too easy, let's go on Not even too easy Cause Shoy Mac was Shoy Mac ran a fucking Chinese restaurant with his parents It's whoever was easy

It's whoever was easy to them Yeah, whoever's out Cause at this point Lorraine Borowski They fucking followed her into her office at 8am Their only MO Their only victim type is a young woman alone And that's right And that kind of liquor store

If he would have pointed to the van That would have been a connection that the cops didn't have there either So the cops were looking for a car Yes, well they had the van idea But they didn't really know And again, 970 murders There's a lot to look at And that's just murders

You know, that's not even considering Everything else that's going wrong in Chicago Right, and that's just Chicago Rose was kidnapped off the street By Andy, Eddie and Robin While she was walking to her car at 2.30am After she just stayed out late Having drinks with a client

She's just a marketing executive She was then taken to an alleyway Where the Ripper crew mutilated her Extensively in public When Rose's body was found Half sitting against a wall in the alley Where she was murdered Her nose and eye sockets were crushed

Her jaw was broken Her face was unrecognizable Again, her breasts were slashed With such force that blood spatters Were found in a 9 foot radius Around her body And a piece of broken lumber Had been shoved into her vagina

Up to the small intestine All of this was done while she was still alive They're all making each other one up Each other and then again It's the fucked up thing It's four on one Now at this point The cops definitely knew

That there was a serial killer on the loose Yeah, I would think so Although they had no idea That the murders were actually being committed By a team of serial killers Which makes it so much harder too Well, kind of, but then also If you get one, you'll get all of them

Yeah, but you know that there's more than one Yeah, but I would also say That having multiple killers Might make it easier Because there's more people to slip up Yes, it gets just hard Because the crimes themselves Are so nasty

Yeah, they are It's so hard to parse through all of this stuff It really is I mean, knowing what we know now I would imagine that If this were to happen in modern day I think they would be able to peg pretty quickly It's like, oh, there were four guys here

I bet you at this point They did know that there was multiple Probably, but then But that's the thing They brought in Robert Restler to consult They're like, okay, we've got a guy Let's bring in the biggest, baddest FBI behavioral science guy we got

Let's get the guy like Minehunter Was it the fucking Teche and Minehunter The guy with the haircut Yeah, the guy was in Fight Club Yeah, that was based on Robert Restler Now, Restler was spot on with his profiles at times But when it came to the Ripper case He sort of whiffed it

Well, he did guess that the killer was small and skinny He also said that the killer had effeminate features And was most likely bisexual Perhaps even latently homosexual Why did he think that? Probably because the destruction of the body And the sexual organs And the idea that you're punishing somebody for those

With hate Yeah, I want to be this I want to have this But that was like, they got tripped up on that a lot He gets tripped up on it Yeah, like Robert Restler He was absolutely revolutionary But he was also wrong a lot

Well, it's a social science You're not going to get a hundo There was also like like at the time Because they were just finally getting past true homophobia But they still were deeply embedded in like transphobia And did not understand how any of that shit worked at all So they're always just been like Yeah, obviously wanted

He was mad because he didn't have breasts And he's like, doesn't make any sense And it makes sense As we learned with Richard Speck You can get some titties I'll get you a pair of titties right now I got them right now There you go

Well, this profile from Robert Restler Unfortunately led police to a hairdresser With the fantastic name of Jacques Monaco How would I ever murder anyone? I was at the gala Yeah, Jacques Monaco ain't killing no one Jacques Monaco is going to the loafers then Absolutely

He just wants to be at the pool with the fuckin' martini Yeah, Jacques Monaco I'm not saying I want to wait on him When he comes into the restaurant He might be a little bit Specific A bit of a James Corden type But I don't think he's a killer

Jacques Monaco lived in one of the buildings That was separated by the alley In which Rose Davis was killed and abandoned During the Josie Martinez mixer There is no way I was there So literally they were just like Who lives here, close here There is Jacques

You're gonna just arrest that gay There we go, right there You can tell by your scarf Got him, Dan, oh, lock him up Well, it was Robert Restler came in Said you're looking for an effeminate guy So they just knocked on all the doors

Hello, immediately Oh, we got him We got him Well, that's the things that Jacques Monaco Said that he did hear a quote-unquote commotion Outside But he said that he didn't call 911 Oh, yeah, 970 murders

That's why he didn't call 911 It's because it's really fucking dangerous out there And you don't want to get involved Hear me out Let's play Phantom of the Opera Real loud, see who comes That would be, that's me Ah, you're arrested

Oh, and they'll find out Oh, he's so gay, he's straight Whoa Finish it for me The music of the No Well You didn't sing it well enough

You've been gentle No Sorry, Phantom No, that's a thing They talked to Jacques Monaco He said he didn't call 911 They found that suspicious But they eventually let it go

When it became obvious That a man such as Jacques Monaco Could ever be guilty of such a crime I'm sorry, it's currently the spring I was wearing my white I would never kill a woman in my white I believe it, Mr. Monaco Right from your grave

Now the murder of Rose Davis Was obviously reckless And we can assume from both this And the Ripper Crew's next murder That they, and especially Robin Gecht Were starting to feel invincible Case in point, on October 6, 1982 Eddie was driving the Red Ripper Van

Through a Puerto Rican neighborhood While Robin rode in the passenger seat They spotted three guys at a phone booth And Robin told Eddie to slow down Completely on impulse And without any motivation Robin pulled out a 38 special And a rifle and just fired five shots

At the guys, told Eddie to speed away Just full natural born killer behavior Just the actual, just total mayhem Killed one guy, shot him in the head Paralyzed another guy, shot him in the head The third guy ran off And when the Ripper Crew was caught Like Eddie, he copped in these crimes

But he's like, I don't know why he did it Let me just put it this way, okay Robin, not a nice guy Not a nice guy at all Seems a little impulsive as well But as it always goes with serial killers It's when they get reckless, that they get caught And hours after the drive-by shooting

Robin would pick up his last victim This one, however, would survive To positively identify her assailant Alright! Beverly Washington, a sex worker Beverly Washington, a sex worker Walking her usual corner on North Avenue and Troop Got picked up by Robin after he offered

$25 for Felatio Ooh, who's that? Not today, Felatio What? Bye, Felatio That doesn't make any sense Bye, Felatio Bye, Felatio

Kiss all, that's good Bye, Felatio Well, Beverly agreed But once she walked through the plywood door Separating the cab from the cargo Robin pulled his gun and told her That if she only did what he said, she wouldn't get hurt Now, Beverly was a seasoned woman of the night

And she figured that she'd run across What some girls called a hooker freak Some so-called hooker freaks Were guys who got off on humiliation They liked getting peed on They liked getting told that they were a bad widow boy Sometimes you are and you gotta be corrected by a stern woman I mean, who knows?

Unfortunately, that's just the rule It's tax season How it's gotta be You know, I mean, I'd definitely get more stressed out During tax season Oh, yeah But some, like Beverly assumed of Robin They liked to hold a gun to a woman's head

While she screamed It was a request But there wasn't anything particularly dangerous About the gun scenario so long as the gun wasn't loaded As Beverly had discovered in the past It's just a fantasy Some guys just gotta get it out Beverly couldn't really been needed there

On that set of rust That's really, really good of you Well, honestly, that is a very seasoned sex worker Does she mean like getting a gun pulled on you? Like, all right Oh, no, don't kill me Okay, let's get it going My Instagram feed has just been this 70-year-old sex worker

You know, she's just been talking about all this stuff It's been very interesting Biggest cock she ever saw, 11 inches She called it a two-hander Couldn't fit in any of the holes She doesn't do anal She looked like a lollipop That's what she said

Do you have her information? No, I don't have it on Instagram So you have POTL at gmail.com What's her name? What's her name? I don't know, but it's all over my Instagram Reach out to Kissel Reach out to Kissel

I think our phones have been talking No, I'm getting the gilf disease The gilf disease, yeah I'm next I'm just gonna let it happen I'm not gonna look for it I'm just gonna let it happen No, the way you do it is that

You be half asleep Look at your phone You're like, oh, boobies Click on it, see the face You're like, oh, very old woman Not too shabby But with Robin, once the knife came out Beverly knew that she landed in a bad spot

And when Robin forced her to swallow A handful of pills She had no idea whether or not She was ever gonna wake up again But wake up she did the next morning On North Maplewood Where a homeless man found her Her left breast had been removed

So completely that her ribs were visible And her right breast was attached Only by a few strands of flesh But the important thing was that Beverly was still alive She was taken to the nearest hospital Where she was stabilized Although she was unable to speak

When detectives arrived Anxious to get whatever information they could They asked her a series of yes or no questions Telling her to blink for a yes And shake her head for no They soon confirmed that she'd been picked up By a greasy little white guy in a red van And before long, they had her writing words

Describing her attacker Mustache, blue jeans, flannel shirt, greasy hair When asked to describe the van She wrote, roach clip, rear view mirror Two feathers, white, blue If we've only heard about this before I've been too focused on my goddamn Julius Orange business

It's failing I tell you what I've been hollering outside the offices Of Newprint for the last two weeks For the truth I know And with that, Beverly's descriptions Match those of Angel York's

So police had everything they needed To narrow the search Although there were apparently A shitload of red vans in Chicago Sure How many are we talking here? Like a thousand? I mean, still, you have, it's narrower

A lot I mean, it's narrowed down And I would imagine Chicago Like most metropolitan police departments In the late 70s, early 80s Were vastly undermanned I don't know, it's because those Chicago bears Red blue, right?

There's probably a lot of red vans in there, right? Yeah, the bears aren't red blue at all Are they red blue? No No, they're like blue and then I guess there's a little bit of brown They're brown Those are the browns

No, it's the Chicago Are they red and No, they're like They're like a dark navy blue With a little red It's like orange It's like orange Chicago bears?

Yeah, it's the Why the fuck are we talking? They're orange and black I'm just saying Orange and dark blue Sometimes it's dark blue It's blue And red

She was trying I was just saying And he didn't mention the CIA He was trying not to mention MK Ultron I did good And so you did do good Super Bull Shuffle Yeah

Remember that? Oh, yeah, I remember that Oh, wow, Simpliton Super Bull Shuffle Simpliton I remember all that I had to do Was go on a G-Leno show and dance And that's all football pairs had to do

Back in the day That's right Well, I mean, I guess to that point, Henry They did pull over a lot of orange vans They probably, maybe they pulled over the fridge I am right sometimes They pulled over pink vans, copper vans, maroon vans Whatever was even close to red

Spectrum Any van But on October 20th Two officers pulled over a red van With a plywood partition And a road clip Hanging from the rear view mirror And dangling from the road clip

Were two feathers One white, one blue The driving the van Was Eddie Spretzer Oh And even though Beverly's description Was of Robin Gecht The van

Was exactly as she described it You know, all this happened While Barack Obama was in Chicago Right I blame him Yeah I don't think it I think he was in Hawaii

I cannot believe Barack Obama Would allow this to happen He did that He should have been in Chicago I think he was in Hawaii He was, oh, he was on vacation? Yep He could have solved it

That's where he grew up Because he grew up in Hawaii Oh, nobody grows up in Hawaii Well, a lot of people do I was just listening to my No, they're all shipped in I was listening to my Kevin and Slugo On the way over here

Yours Hawaii, it's my favorite show Hawaii, the number one most expensive place For a home The median in a home $680,000 to buy Yeah I mean, there's less homes

It's a tiny island Anyway, so I guess he didn't grow up that poor This is back on the table Interesting Barack Obama Moved to Chicago At the end of 1982

After the Chicago Ripper murder He could have solved that Should have been there Where was Michelle? Bo? God damn it, Bo Well, Eddie wasn't the coolest cucumber No, I don't think any of them

Are cool cucumbers No Robin Gecht is We'll get to that here in a second Maybe a smoother criminal Yeah, maybe so Eddie stammered and stuttered His way through the entire stop

And he immediately said This is not my van It's Robin Gecht's van It's Robin Gecht's van Robin Gecht, G-E-T It's Gecht And he immediately gave the cops his address It's right here, 666

Asshole Avenue Go over there Go get him So remember, when you get pulled over Eddie Don't tell him anything about it Robin Gecht did it I'm sorry, I gotta get it out Well, when they arrived at Robin's house

Gecht was at ease He was smiling He showed no sign that he knew Why the cops were there But regardless, he matched Beverly Washington's description Of a greasy little fuck perfectly So they hauled his ass in

Beverly easily picked him out of a lineup Saying, that's the bastard So, Robin... Yeah, she pulled her They brought him to her at the hospital Oh, God, I'd be like Can you get him out of here? She started screaming

It was like a scene from a movie When they brought him in And she starts freaking out And then they just pull him They pull him right out So Robin was arrested And since Eddie was driving the van He was arrested too

Reportedly, when Robin was told He was being arrested He responded with an open mouth And put his hand to his chest Is it to say... Whoa Oh, my... Honestly, he's acting like a real moniker

There's no real eyes Just being like There's no way I could have done this I was at one of Martina's mixtures It's the white season I can't be killing people When I'm in my whites I don't know if you were invited, buddy

However, all they could charge Robin with Was aggravated battery, deviate sexual assault Armed robbery and kidnapping Yeah, because she didn't die This first one did not die Isn't that a lot? It's a lot But it's not a murder

No, it's not enough And Robin, he said nothing Except to ask for a lawyer When he was questioned He just kept saying lawyer, lawyer Never said anything Never confessed to anything If you're the cops

You gotta be like Say the word lawyer if you're guilty Got you That's where I got you Nice Robin Gecht and John Wayne Gacy Are the same type of... I mean, obviously, asshole

But this type of criminal Where they want their crimes To die with them It belongs to them John Wayne Gacy Because I've been... I'll explain why I went back through a bunch of his shit recently

I think it's the 30th anniversary Of his execution is today Is that right? I believe that John Wayne Gacy Was executed I know it was May 10th Well, he definitely didn't leave a good corpse No, he did not

Wow, that is one big old fried chicken right there 30 years Next year It's 29 years today 29 years Wow May 11th Yeah, well, I mean 10th to the 11th

You know, they do it at midnight They do it at midnight But John Wayne Gacy Was such a control freak That he wanted to make sure Even his narrative Was entirely owned by him He didn't want anybody to fucking go

And they didn't want anybody to be able to know Because he felt that confessing Would lower himself To these police officers He's obviously one of the worst passers I was just wondering Are there any buildings that John Wayne Gacy Built that are still there?

Gotta be A ton Oh, that's weird Yeah But even though Robyn Gecht Refused to cooperate in any way whatsoever And just kept deflecting and deflecting Eddie Spritzer was a different story

I mean, I thought it was really weird When Robyn brought up Hunter Biden's laptop And it's like, buddy We're on it And then they really got into a hard discussion Like, yeah, yeah We do need to talk about Hunter Let's look into it

Well, after being pushed Eddie fell to pieces And filled a 78-page written statement Detailing his relationship with Robyn Gecht And the murders that they'd committed together As the Ripper crew Wow From what Eddie said

The first actual murder occurred When they picked up a sex worker Then they blindfolded and gagged her Robyn then just shot her in the head Which tracks with what we know about Escalating serial killer behavior Starts very simple Then gets much more ornate as it goes on

The disposal method, however Was quite different Lord knows where they got him from But allegedly Eddie, Andy, and Robyn Chained bowling balls To the victim's neck and feet Like it was a fuckin' Popeye cartoon

Before they threw the corpse into a body of water Well, I'm gonna say this, right? There's a lot of bowling I think that it's a bowl or town It really is And again, but due to diabetes And due to certain things And probably, you know

Full of chakras Chakras is full of different Various foot diseases Oh, absolute vascular diseases I see a lot of bowlers just quit On their way to the lane Just being like, fuck this I gotta get a sit-down sport

I gotta fly drones for the army Like, I can't do this So they would just leave their bowling balls I mean, I would imagine It's like seeing a pile of headshots in L.A. Jammed into a trash can Yeah, I forget there's that one bar That puts them all up

With residuals But is it after you leave L.A.? Like after you fail as an actor They put your headshot up But I would assume that most bowling alley It's 80% of them bowling balls Ain't used There's only so many good bowling balls

In a bowling alley Yeah, that's true So wait a second Only so many get the fingers You talking about these like netball balls? No I feel like there are Well, there are balls that are more

When you're hunting for your ball In a bowling alley, some do Big, big, big, big, big, big And then you're like, sweet Look at the holes on that one They do whisper Yeah, I like the ones that are translucent Oh, those are cool

I like the one with the rose in it Like Bill Murray's character Oh, that movie's good I wish that we were talking about kingpin Instead of wine bottles But let's just jump right into it Yeah, let's just jump right into it Let's get right to it

Well, when it came to the known murders Eddie vacillated between taking responsibility And removing himself from the process altogether He claimed to have once vomited After Robin beat a woman with a hammer That was presumably Rose Davis But Eddie also admitted to cutting off breasts And he admitted to having sex with the gaping wounds

But concerning Eddie's... It's whatever was convenient for him Yeah, whatever made him sound more like a badass at the time But concerning Eddie's wishy-washiness A woman who had known him for six years Said that she called him a sissy For one reason or another Just on a random day

They were talking about something like, ah, Eddie is such a sissy And Eddie responded by saying that he wasn't a sissy Because he, because he'd, quote, killed a couple of broads And he'd, quote, cut their tits off And that it was, quote, very messy Well, I guess I take it back Wow, I thought you were a sissy Turns out you're a real hunk

You're cool Wow But by the time Eddie finished with his first statement He'd given up seven murders and one aggravated assault Which investigators felt they could use against Robin Gecht As leverage A powerful force in the universe But according to what Eddie claimed later

Years later The interrogation process was far worse Than a gentle conversation According to his story It took five days for him to break During which a detective named Flynn Psychologically and physically tortured him I, you know

I don't care I'm really sorry to say this This is one of the where times where I'm just like Slam his fucking head into a table I don't care I mean, the problem is it destroys everything for court Like, that's the true issue The idea that it took him five days to break

Bullshit Bullshit I think that he was ready to sing He was already being like Robin Gecht's fan Robin Gecht's fan Like, he was already doing But yeah, I don't think they were gentle with him

No, absolutely not But from what Eddie said Detective Flynn took him out to the woods And forced him to dig a grave Sure, sure, cops are definitely in They're super activated I'm gonna give whatever abuse these cops Wealed upon these people

I'm gonna give them what they call a mulligan I'm one I'm just one You can beat the fuck out of all these guys Well, Eddie was allegedly pushed into the grave And the detective kept firing his handgun Near Eddie's head again and again They said the cop had to reload three times

That didn't happen Also, that didn't happen The truth is No way that happened This whole story you're just gonna keep saying That didn't happen That didn't happen This is not how it happened

They don't have to go to ornate means To be completely frank We know what they do They literally, all they have to do is leave you in a room Yeah, that's it That's all it takes to break a person Is you leave them in there You can leave them there for three days

You don't have to do this shit Everyone has a vice Mostly everyone has the vice in need of water Oh yeah So if you put them in a stress position That's what they do After running out of bullets The cops that allegedly took Eddie to a car wash

And used a pressure hose to remove the grave dirt That's why no one saw Was he fucking farva from Super Troopers? My ass That's why nobody saw a dirty Eddie spritz Powder sugar Yeah It's delicious

It's delicious Then once the detective shift was over Eddie was taken by two more detectives To an abandoned house Where they beat him for hours Then after he passed out He said that they pissed on him Shut the fuck up

They could just do this at the station Yeah They could just do this at the station No one's gonna say anything So this is basically him saying I only confessed under this This is what it took me to confess I felt Satan's strength through me

And that's the only way I should come Okay Well that's the thing though Is that it sounds pretty extreme But it's not that farfetched When it came to the Chicago police club Oh yeah They beat the livin'

They definitely beat the livin' Fuck out of it And there's still black sites to this day You don't want to be there During the 70s and 80s Chicago cops And this is documented They used cattle prods on suspects' testicles

They would suffocate them with plastic bags They would burn them with cigarettes They'd beat them senseless All to elicit confessions Yeah, but they was at the station They didn't have to take anyone out That was happening right there Yeah

But what doesn't wash when it comes to Eddie's story Is that he told them about at least two murders That the cops hadn't attached to the ripper at all And Eddie himself led police to the mausoleum Where the body of Lorraine Barowitz Had lain undiscovered for over a year No, he was singing like a fucking songbird The entire goddamn time

As soon as he arrived He was drinking milkshakes Henry Lee Lucas style He doesn't want to say it He doesn't want to know Yeah, plus It was probably the opposite They just treated him like a fucking king

They're bringing him burgers and shit While he's just prattling off every detail He could possibly imagine I don't know I think that they probably whacked his head A couple of times Probably, I'm sure, yeah But the Chicago police

They usually reserve their extreme coerce confessions For black men Especially in the 70s and 80s Eddie's spritzer was very white And besides If anyone was going to be tortured into a confession It was going to be Robin Gecht Because he was the only one

Who was explicitly described By two near victims Yeah, he was the guy Basically And when Robin Gecht was questioned He was always friendly But he remained adamant That he was the real victim here

We got to just think about this one Look at the description Mustache, greasy, disgusting Unbelievable I can't believe they criticized my greasy hair This is genetic I shower every single day After being shown pictures of known victims

Robin dismissed them And even after Robin was shown That Eddie was actively cooperating with police Didn't even flinch Didn't even fucking phase him a single second Wow Instead, he would well up

During descriptions of murders He'd give him puppy-dog eyes And say that he'd never heard anyone in his life Fucking piece of shit Yeah And interestingly Once Eddie heard that Robin was denying everything Eddie took his lead

And changed the story Saying like, yeah, Robin never heard anyone ever Yeah, yeah, yeah, no They're all playing games now Instead, Eddie was now saying that the real killer Was his ex-girlfriend's brother His co-worker, Andy Cocorellis Me?

No, not me Andy, not Tommy I mean, I think that they're pretty similar In my mind Well, they're the Cocorellis family Technically, Andy was the smart one Yeah, that's not I mean, you know

It's like Which one? Marcus is the handsome one I guess so Right of us? Yeah He's the heartthrob Is that right?

Yeah, you're the strength You're the moral strength Yeah, I don't know And I'm the defucking What are you? The brains The brains of the operation Yeah, if we're fucking depending on this smile

For our dollars Some people like it I think it's more about the content I do I think people overlook us Live from your grave No, well, Andy was being looked into Robin was ill-advisedly let out on bond

After a middle-aged woman that he was having A sexual relationship with Took out a mortgage on her house I can't really To bail him out I can't believe that they did that Yeah, it's crazy Almost immediately

He went out and picked up a woman This woman named Cynthia Smith Immediately went out and picked her up She recognized Robin too late As the guy who'd slashed a friend of hers She went to go and tried to open the door Robin had removed the passenger side door handle And now it's insane

They think that nobody in the police department Was put on Robin's trail Nobody was like They look out for that guy You know, just go follow that guy It literally should have been a detective Like me, in a dress, whistling And be like, come on, boys

I don't understand how he was allowed To get bail at all I don't understand how that was even possible I guess she mortgage her house Must have been $100,000 Yeah, she mortgaged her house Yeah, it must have been fucking insane What his bail was

But Cynthia Smith got lucky When Robin picked up his homemade glass hatchet And tried stabbing her in the face with it She clawed her way past Robin And made it out the driver's side door Robin sped off Soon after, Andy Cocorellis was brought in for questioning He also confessed before the day was out

Going into detail about how the crew Had kidnapped women and stabbed them With everything from knives and razors To tin cans and can openers Geez Before it was all over, after the hours Of talking about fucking amputated breast And wound sex and all this horrible shit

No shit, dude Andy Cocorellis had confessed to 18 murders Wow Including those of Rose Davis and Lorraine Borowski So he more than doubled it Yeah, and when he also was weird He was going through it And then he would hit him with some like weird facts

About how like, you know that the original name Of the character was supposed to be Glenn Borland? Wow, Glenn Borland That's crazy, man Oh, improvement That shows not even out yet No, it's really not He knew a lot

He did Wow, he really did Saw it through the future Tim Allen was still a cokehead If you throw up Where was he during all of this? He was actually selling cocaine Cool

Doing cocaine as well, right? He better be It's a mule Up till this point From what I can tell Nobody had mentioned Tommy Cocorellis In their confessions But when detectives investigated

Robin's whereabouts during the murders That Eddie and Andy confessed to They found that the crew Partied at the Rip Fam Winkle motel This was where they'd committed Their first known murder And when they partied there Outside of the murder, of course

Which they did often It was usually a fourth guy Who also rented a room With Eddie, Robin and Andy That was Tommy Yeah, Tommy Cocorellis Before that, Tommy Cocorellis Is not on their radar at all

No Wow And once cops Started speaking to the manager At the Rip Fam Winkle The manager said that he suspected That these four men were Quote-unquote cultists

Yeah So I mean Cops caught up to Tommy Their line of questioning Focused on satanic ritual behavior Yeah That's where they began

Therefore, once the cops Talked to poor dumb Tommy long enough He began admitting To satanic ritual behavior To make the cops smile And also, they lie to you They lie They'll say stuff like, you know

Like, we'll get you out of here Like, this is our time to help you Help me, help you That's the whole thing Being like, this is the time For you to tell us this story And so they start to tell And so you start to hear

Like, they'll lie to a dumb person And say like, all you gotta do Is tell us everything We'll let you out of here We'll let you out of here And then they're like, okay Well, now you're a satanic murderer So you're not going anywhere

Takes two to tango I think these people Are gonna get it off their chest, too I mean, Tommy... I know Eddie Spretzer Definitely did Yes, and then Tommy Saw shit and then it

And helped I think he saw shit and helped And then decided to just Also feel super guilty And wanted to get out of it Well, the only murder that Andy confessed to Was the one that involved

The Rip Van Winkle The murder of Lorraine Borowski The cop showed him a picture Of Lorraine And Tommy said that he And his brother Andy Had taken her for a quote-unquote One-way ride

Out to the Rip Yeah, he was a fuckin' shit head And then later on He'd go to Rick Kent's Everything, too Because he's another He's another one of these Which makes him extremely dangerous In my mind

It's the fact that he Now that he's released Ah, I gotta wait Now, incredibly, Robyn Gecht Was not charged with any murders While he was implicated By the three other members Of the Ripper crew

In multiple slangs There was no physical evidence Tying him to those murders Because he'd covered his tracks Very well Remember, he washed out The entire van After every single murder

He said Casey's main issue Was that he buried the bodies Underneath his home And he said the only way To make sure you get away with the crime Is to not have any body They have no evidence Casey had a lot of evidence then

He did Yeah, 26 pieces of evidence And that's the other thing Is that Robyn Gecht Kept his mouth shut From start to finish However, there was the grievous assaults Against Beverly Washington

And Andrew York And by the end of it Robyn Gecht was sentenced To 150 years in prison For all of his... Once you put all his crimes together Robyn Gecht is still alive He still maintains

That he's innocent Of all the Chicago Ripper murders He's awful It's just the worst trait Of any serial killer Technically, he's up for parole In the year 2042 He'll be 89

No, he's not really fucking anymore 89? He might make it I don't think he's gonna go anyway He's not even that old right now Not really And in a further injustice He's also the only member

Of the Ripper crew Who wasn't charged with And therefore was never found guilty Of murder Wow, that's crazy But he was like the ringleader Because they didn't have that direct evidence They didn't have the direct evidence

But all the other people Be like, yeah, I was doing it With Robyn Gecht His fucking car But again, you're looking at the three of them And as soon as anybody meets Any one of the rest of them You're all like

Oh, you're terminally stupid Yeah Well, not only that But you know, you look at What you got him on already You got him on 150 years He's not getting out Yeah, we got him

And you look at it He's like, is it worth a trial? Like, is it worth? Yeah Fucking this up All they have is just the confessions Of these other three guys All they got

So it's like, what's the fucking point? Yeah, we got him Yeah In 1984 Eddie Spreitzer pled guilty To the murders of Rose Davis Shoy Mac Sandra Delaware

And Raphael Toretto Eddie was sentenced to death in 1986 But his sentence was commuted To life in prison in 2003 He's also still alive Wow Andy Kokorelis, however, was not so lucky Good

He took his case to trial For the murders of Rose Davis and Lorraine Borowski And was therefore also sentenced to death But while Eddie Spreitzer Managed to play the appeal game Long enough to stay alive Andy did not Yeah

Was he just like, get on with it? Expedited? No, he's a moron He's literally just a fucking He just was truly very stupid He was the last person To ever be executed in the state of Illinois Wow

He was killed by lethal injection On March 19, 1999 He became a political football Between anti-death penalty And pro-death penalty proponents They should just give him some Tylenol They did They did

So I'll get into this Yeah So I... Listener pointed me towards this book So if you were the person who sent me this recommendation No one else had sent me this This book is one of the most One of the craziest, most fucked up books

I've read in a minute It's called The Last Victim It's by Jason Moss And The Last Victim is about this young man That was a... He was a... Percocious college student That became fascinated with serial killers

So what he wanted to do Was he wanted to figure out How to communicate with serial killers And basically find out the Kind of what he called like Hunting technique of the serial killer How does one like Get trapped by one of these serial killers

What goes down in the moments Before a serial killer murders you Was it in Goodwill Or was it like a co-burger thing No, it was in Goodwill Was he studying to... Oh, okay Well, you know, people talked about this

Now he died by suicide After the fact of it But what he would do is He would approach and It started with his relationship with John Wayne Gacy Okay Where he would research John Wayne Gacy Start writing letters to John Wayne Gacy

From the character point of view Of what he considered to be Like his ultimate victim So John Wayne Gacy He sent a letter to John Wayne Gacy saying I'm 18 years old I'm bisexual I'm confused with my sexuality

My father beats the shit out of me All fake, all of it Put together And basically led John Wayne Gacy On into saying like So I'm so confused And I don't want to know And I hear your story

And I'm so compelled by it He ends up in this like Year-long relationship With John Wayne Gacy Writing letters to him Eventually John Wayne Gacy Sets up this whole thing To come visit him at the prison

He goes to visit him in prison John Wayne Gacy has bribed several officers To do this in a sort of conjugal visit Which the Jason Moss was not aware That it was going to go down like that He arrived He then basically becomes Almost John Wayne Gacy's last victim

By essentially almost being raped In a jail cell by John Wayne Gacy It's fucked And it goes into He plays all this Like you kind of just see with this Crazy predator John Wayne Gacy is And Jason Moss also then admits

I was way over my head Because I underestimated him Because he is just this doughy fuck Which is how he lived his whole life And he got away with so much shit He's this kind of affable Polish day parade dude He's a shape shifter

It's very easy to forget That he is John Wayne Gacy Absolutely, even when he's a master criminal And shit head Even when he's doing the interview Where he's like And this is the rope trick When he's doing it you're like

Yeah, let's see how this goes Like he's fucking his clown He's a clown He played a game All ended in him taking his dick out Forcing himself on him Taking his dick out Stroking it being like

You know how many little shits Died for this cock Is what John Wayne Gacy said Because he would pull out his dick He's like I can't take a look at that Seven inches mushroom cap head Look at that right there

It's nice it fits real snug in an ass Like that was like his thing He would roll like to the kid Real nasty It's John Wayne Gacy It's John Wayne Gacy He wasn't romantic And it was rough

But when this episode happens It freaks him out But guess who's John Wayne Gacy's neighbor Andy Cocorellis Who John Wayne Gacy would affectionately Call Coco, right? Like he'd be like Call Coco over there

He's a guy and he's a guy You know he's a couple of bars Short of a candy store Chicago guys, you know He would just like Joke on him and stuff So John Wayne Gacy also like Everybody had nicknames

And like everybody loved him Because he would again Shape shit They all thought of you But Andy Cocorellis When he goes When Jason Moss goes to sit with Andy Cocorellis He's like

He's an entirely different beast John Wayne Gacy Unassuming You kind of go in there And then you're sweet He watched it turn on You like watched him become Pogo Right?

But this one he's like Andy Cocorellis You're looking at a guy You literally is just A giant wall of meat That was obviously very dangerous But mostly just like I don't really know

What's going on in here And he's like John Wayne He's like, you know, J.W He's crazy He's a funny guy You know, like his thing But eventually

John Wayne Gacy Apparently had this thing called A P.M.A. Right Whereas you got to keep A positive mental attitude Wow Big bad brain

P.M.A. Big bad brain Yeah, Gacy Love bad brain Positive mental attitude But Cocorellis was saying All these gaseous To Jason Moss

So it's like Oh, like John Wayne Gacy Was like Grooming him too Like it was this thing Where he couldn't It was the way his mechanisms worked So Andy Cocorellis

Was following John Wayne Gacy Around like he was a puppy dog In jail But just that whole This book is crazy And there are a lot of people Who are talking about, you know What are the ethics

Talking about Jason Moss Like why was he doing this? Is it cool to do? He was doing this as a young man It's dangerous, dude When you start flirting With these people You know

They do have power In the sense that They don't give a fuck Well, he also went straight To the home of the minotaur He went straight To the center of the labyrinth He jumped right into

The final stage And it was really very scary But he did get to see the mechanism And basically John Wayne Gacy Kept admitted to all these crimes Once he was hard John Wayne Gacy became That guy

Right And so you can kind of see How those mechanisms are at play And all this kind of shit But it is just wild Like because But yes But he died by

Jason Moss Ended up committing suicide It's very sad Very sad story You know, he was traumatized By his own hand He didn't know what he He was in shock

And traumatized Because then John Wayne Gacy Wouldn't let him go Because then he tried to cut him off He tried to like Ghost John Wayne Gacy But John Wayne Gacy's calling his house He's doing his job

He's got his weird like Lawyer friend That like He tried to John Wayne Gacy tried to Pawn Jason Moss off on his lawyer Like they would To go stay in a room

To go visit John Wayne Gacy This is all again This is in 1992 1991 So they go to go stay Before visiting him in jail And the lawyer is only Rented one room

And Jason Moss Who's been playing off Like he is this burgeoning Street hustler All fake He's a nerd He's just like Very smart kid

College kid And this guy He was like Basically John Wayne Gacy Was trying to get him to Fuck the lawyer And then he was going to Come fuck me

And then they were going to This guy was going to be Basically railed on By all these jail guards It's all highly corrupt It was just Revealing a lot of shit Alright

I mean that's the thing About these episodes When you hear about it Like what we talk Like you know We talk about quote unquote Like deep dives On serial killers

We are barely scratching The surface On what actually goes on Like we're barely scratching The surface about What actually happens What's actually inside What they do

What their daily lives are like What they're like In prison afterwards We don't know Had 50 guys on the line All fulfilling fantasies for him So he was playing Out of these various fantasies

For all of these various people People writing him Everyone's kind of lying Richard Ramirez Had a relationship with Richard Ramirez Richard Ramirez was saying I got a network of cult leader

Of cult people around the world That are doing my murders For me And you don't know Whether or not that's real Or not It is interesting though To like poke in

And see their fantasy structures You talk to Jeffrey Dahmer Jeffrey Dahmer just wants dick pics Yeah You know what I mean Jeffrey Dahmer was just like Just straight up like Things are really lonely in here

Yeah He's an oddly simple He was an oddly simple creature Yeah And of course They did inspire Perhaps some murders Oh yes

I don't think that I think that Richard Ramirez Was openly looking for people Yeah Because then when Jason Moss Wrote to Richard Ramirez He wrote this thing being like I'm looking to be taught

In the ways of evil Yeah Oh my buddy You are Gotta be very careful dude Richard Ramirez bought it Hookline in Sincere But again

Is it all real Or is it just a part of these Extended fantasies From inside of self Yeah Well all I know is We need a spin-off series on it And I'm sure Peacock will allow it

I really think so That'll be great And we just follow that rabbit hole Well we got Robin Yeah We got Eddie We got Andy But then there's Tommy

Poor simple Tommy See even though Tommy Kokorellis Was sentenced to 70 years For the murder of Lorraine Barowski As part of a plea agreement His sentence was cut in half For good behavior in 2017 He was denied release that year

Only because he had nowhere to live But two years later in 2019 A church in Aurora Illinois The home of Wainsworth I know Agreed to take Tommy under their care That is where he remains And that is where he will likely die

I'm telling you the offense Why the fuck is he out of prison? Because it was an old timey law I guess it was Because he was sentenced to 70 years And I believe it was because He was not sentenced to murder Because it was not

He was not guilty of murder explicitly He was allowed to get off on half time And these old There's some old Chicago rule On good behavior So 35 years he was let out But the dude does not cop to anything He believes that he's just like

I'm totally innocent I did not do any of this Which to me makes... I don't know why I feel like if he could have owned up to something And have said something I'd kind of trust that maybe he's rehabilitated Yeah, I don't think so

But if you are not If you don't If you don't How do you rehabilitate? No, he shouldn't be out No, no A church is doing it for bragging rights To show how much they quote-unquote care for points

Like, they just want him to... So this church community is allowing this predator In the middle of it I don't know We'll see what I like That's my opinion But there's a huge contradiction Right in the middle of this whole fucking thing

Because the church is saying We believe in forgiveness We believe in rehabilitation And at the same time Tommy Cookaross is saying I didn't do anything He's not asking for forgiveness And he also straight up says

He doesn't believe in God He's literally openly saying I'm using these people And they're like We're fine with it Because technically we're supposed I guess supposed to be They get much suckers to me

Well, I mean, that's the thing It just doesn't... He's very dangerous He's a very dangerous human being There's such better ways To spend your fucking time And the money If you're a so-called Christian

There's such better ways To spend your time and money Than to fucking take care Of a guy who was connected To the Chicago Rippers Yes, he was one Yeah Even if he was

The Dalmatian of the fire truck Okay, the man You're taking care of the mascot For the Chicago Rippers Yeah You shouldn't be taking... Such better things you could do If you're a fucking Christian

Well, and of course It's very difficult to do these things Without a little encouragement And isn't that what a mascot brings? Halftime shows First quarter Ooh, he's gonna dunk The story, however

Ends with another coincidence It's not as big as The gacked Gacy coincidence But it's a coincidence nonetheless Which also didn't go deeper into that I don't know He must... Something must have gone down

In some way That John Wayne Gacy Was specifically talking To Andy Cocorellis After the combination of The idea that Robyn Gecton And him worked together There was something...

I don't know what it is I don't know if it's John Wayne Gacy Playing with everybody I seriously think it's John Wayne Gacy leaning over To Andy and going like No shit, Robyn I knew him

I knew him That's like, I worked on a job with him Cool I don't think it went any further Also Small world It's a small world conversation It's a small world

Because of the anniversary Also just had an interview With a guy that was a survivor Of John Wayne Gacy And I... This then shills at my spine It's part of why I think that Something...

Why he had either accomplices Or somebody else in there They believe that He might have been connected To like a hundred murders Like, he was... He was trolling It wasn't...

He was in Indiana He was in Kansas He was in a bunch of different places too Because he used to travel for work John Wayne Gacy was... I think that, you know Largely one of the... That's why he is what he is

That's why in pop culture Probably one of the biggest villains Just a human history Let's just hop right in here Let's just hop right in Yeah, he's the nastiest Well in 1999 Robin Geck's son, David Geck

Was charged with first-degree murder And the gang-related killing Of a man named Roberto Cruz David spent 22 years in prison Despite the fact that Witnesses on the scene Said that Cruz was killed By two large Latino men

Must have been some kind of Latino There you go David Geck, besides being white Was even smaller than his father He was 5'5 He is definitely not a large Latino man

Much less two Maybe spiritually Me? You never know But he'd confessed After being beaten by a detective Named Ronaldo Guevara Guevara had also threatened

Geck's then-pregnant 18-year-old girlfriend Allegedly telling her That she would have to give birth In jail If she didn't implicate David It's definitely a bad blast Name to have

To be inside of a police station I would have changed it Yeah As it turned out, though Guevara was a great A piece of shit Who has had 7 convictions Overturned since 2017 Due to misdeeds

Involving false confessions And there are 20 more Being investigated In fact, one of his victims Was exonerated a month ago Wow This is what being a bad cop Leads to

Yeah Guevara would choose random men Tangentially related to the murders He was investigating And plunged them into a near Kafkaesque nightmare Of beatings and threats That all ended in false confessions

He just wanted to do his fucking job Yeah He was just fucking lazy And just wanted a clearance rate As a result, David Geck Spent 22 years in prison He was exonerated just last year Coincidentally having experienced

In real life What was likely only a fantasy To his father's partners In murder Wow Let's just get right into it Hop right in Let's just get to this

Let's get to the meat of it Right now The Chicago Rippers I don't want to hear the word meat This is Wow They're nasty Yeah

Chicago You actually wonder why it took us So long to get to this story And it's because we have to really We had to piece it together Yeah We had our whole team working on it Shaw crushed this

Thank you, Shaw Yeah We got Shaw Joel crushed it Joel crushed it We were really This is a So we took a lot to put together

And I will also admit But we probably got a lot wrong Sure I mean, it's only off of Robin Geck's Or Eddie Spretzer's confessions Yeah Right? And then you have

It's only deadly thrills It's the only place where it's all Put together in one go Yeah Like we look at the police reports But if you are At You are only as

Fucking Trustable as the source And then if the source is The Chicago Ripper crew Yeah What is how true is it? I don't know Absolutely

All right, everyone Well, thank you so much for listening Hope you've learned I don't know what Well, to keep a positive Mental attitude to the PMA PMA Even if you're killing a whole bunch

Of sex workers or children You just want to Put a smile on your face PMA You just need to remember Because a smile on the top You know what it does for you Sometimes it makes a smile

Come out in the bottom And I mean my fucking ass Yeah Yeah, that would be that Let's see If you have anything Thanks for listening to all the shows Anything to announce

Oh, I have some dates I should announce Oh, yeah, this is a direct quote From John Wayne Gacy I am a PMA type person Positive mental attitude I don't have time for negative thinking Yeah

Death is negative So I feel your head with that Lying is negative So I have no time for that Yeah But what about all the murders, John? No, it's negative It's negative

It's a frame-up job It's a frame-up job Because of my connections To the goddamn carters It's a frame-up job July 30th There'll be an Ontario, California California

And when you go to Ontario, California Are you going to talk about how John Wayne Gacy Was innocent? Is that a part of the structure of the show? That's the point of the show Wow Yeah

J.W.G. Question mark And then October 4th They'll be in Brea And then there's some other dates That I have Great way to plug I don't know if I want to plug the shows

On this episode But yes Anyway, anything else do we have? What have we got? No, next week we're going to get super spooky Oh, good I could go for some ghosts Yeah, I'm excited

I'm honestly They don't cover enough blood And it's like, well, I think we're good Well, we did this And then we're going to true crime And then we've got our big history series And then we're going to be doing More true crime this year too

We've got some We're doing our international series Which is we're waiting on We've got some info coming in All right We're working really hard over here At the true crime factory We're working pretty hard

In the podcast facilities What will fruit roll-ups roll out next? Welcome, everyone, to the show Let's just hop right in Let's just get right into it Chicago Ripper How do they even wear one pair of jeans? Oh, Lord

Hail yourselves, everyone Hail Satan McGoo's Deletion Don't write any letters to these people Don't touch my breasts Leave my sweet breasts alone Love my breasts entirely whole You like it?

You like any of them? Yeah, very nice Give me one more phantom The music of the night Oh, sorry, buddy The lights are out The Broadway is closed It will never be over for the phantom

It's done It is