Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 533: The Manhattan Project Part I - The Living Dead

Episode Date: June 3, 2023

This week the boys return to the world of dark history with the introduction to one of the most devastatingly deadly killers in human history... It's time for The Manhattan Project and the creation of the Atom Bomb.

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I wish we use the atom bomb on America Welcome to the last of the left everyone. Bad day. Get out with Henry and Marcus today's episode, episode to come are going to be historic, exceptionally violent and dare I say USA, USA, USA, USA, USA. You are daring. That's a big dare. That's a big dare that I think you might lose. You would got to write. Damn it. Yeah, I don't wait. I'm first of all men and Project,

is that the red or the white? Whoa, all right. We heard on to the mind that clam chowder. Yep. Okay. Yeah. We are covering the Manhattan project. I feel like we need more fanfare because this is going to be big.

I remember this is our, it's our basic cable episode right here, right here. A rate up top. This is old school at your Nana's house. Oh, yeah. History channel viewing. We're dead in the center of it. We're going to say come a lot more. Oh, no.

You normally they would on the history channel. Henry Thomas and Thomas and Graham mother. They told me a few eats, Giddles. You're gay. I said, say it help on the said. Stay in hell. Okay. I mean, what this series is that this is something that I personally have been wanting

to do for fucking years. Been talking about doing this, but what what took so long? Well, it's just the manhand project. Well, we kind of put it in a full gear because of the fucking Oppenheimer movie that's coming out. Yes, but I'm when I'm hoping truly is that what we talk about in this series is going to take a massive shit on whatever Oppenheimer movie has to say I'm certain to give me a great film. I'm sure love Christopher Nolan. We're not remotely associated with them. I matter of fact if you I feel like people are Immediately, oh, they got it Oppenheimer tie in I'm certain they want to distance themselves from our content

We do not we do not speak for Christopher Nolan. No, we don't and I know Oppenheimer. Oh something bad happens It still sounds like someone who needs a swirly doesn't it?? It does. And I'm also going to say, is having Matt Damon play General Leslie Groves. So funny. The dumbest shit I've ever heard. Wow. And Leslie Groves is, he has the body of foghorn leghorn. Like, he should not be played by Hollywood famous

handsome person Matt Damon. He's porky pig with a howitzer. If they do what they did with Charlie's there in space, when she played I lean Warnels, two Matt Damon's butt and legs to make him look like a no, no, no, no, he will win an Oscar. They're going to give him a fucking mustache and then put it into it. They should give him a but Oscar, a Oscar. All right, everyone. The Manhattan Project, episode one. I'm more of a queen's

project. The Manhattan Project was America's collective effort to create the world's first atomic bomb. Now, while it is one of the most impressive achievements in mankind's history, the greatness of the Manhattan Project is not just in how it was developed, built, tested and dropped. Mm-hmm. Rather, the bomb is also objectively impressive because the aftermath of that first atomic explosion on Hiroshima created quite possibly the most concentrated period of misery, suffering, and horror in human history. Exactly.

That's what's stock 99. No. He's actually, that's just under. Oh, I mean, this was, I mean, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the dropping of the atomic bomb, it was the perfect cherry on top to the deadliest conflict in human history, World War II. You guys don't watch all of your World War II documentaries with Limp Biscuit,

playing the background and watching on mute. Oh, yeah, I mean, honestly, as you could see, Oppenheimer and he had, he did do it all for the nothing. And he did, he did break stuff and did, he really did our goal on this series is because we are three. As y'all know, we bleed red blood and red blue white. You talking to a man here is my roots go back before the revolutionary war. We didn't come over on the Mayflower because

the Mayflower was a bunch of fucking posseys. We came over with the fucking criminals like the rest of America did to fucking trap wolves and shoot shit up and fight the revolutionary new ad. My grandparents didn't land this that nylon to the 1940s, so I'm innocent. My father got here in the 70s. Yeah, I know sort of reverse way. And also, first of all, we're going to say number one, we're going to say some maybe unfair things about Kissel's lineage just during this entire period. And I'm just pretend like people didn't mind the most intelligent people from Nazi Germany. But let's just do a blanket to kiss all, you're just gonna have to take it. I don't want to stop me.

And number two, our goal is because we are so American-centric, where you've been trying to figure out a way to kind of break out of the mindset of the American narrative about the atomic bomb. Because again, was it big? Oh, yeah. Was it messy? You better believe it because there's what we do best. But it was not like cool.

But it need to have people super bad. Did it need to happen? We shall discuss. In terms of lives taken, only the Nazis beat the concentrated death toll at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They had a little thing called Operation Reinhardt with that undertaking approximately 1.47 million Jews were killed in death camps in just a hundred days. That amounts to 25% of the entire Jewish death toll in all of World War II. But as we'll see, it was the justified fear of a Nazi victory that those people would win. It wasn't the threat of the Japanese. It was the justified fear of a Nazi victory that those people would win. It wasn't the threat of the Japanese.

It was the Nazis that led the allies to believe that the development of the atomic bomb was not only urgent, but morally necessary. Can we actually for this episode? Can we go back to Carlton on the old fashioned Nazis? I mean, it's Nazi. It's Nazi works. I'll put a fucking couple of Nazis in there, but, you know, like a pile of them up. It's sort of an interesting thing.

It's kind of like parallel parking. It's not so difficult to get in, but getting out is hard. That's what they say is to be with war. Now the American myth has always been that we dropped the bomb on Japan to save the lives of a million American troops who would have been killed during the invasion of the Japanese mainland. We were all being told that every man, woman and child were being trained to fight to the death

for every blade of grass. Hey, you got to be here. You wouldn't even believe what the Shiba Inus were trained in. Also, it's like such a horrible thing because that's completely true. One foot of land costs like one human life and be like, you can have the soil. What the fuck? My life is worth one blade of grass to the United States government.

Pooh, Godness was wrong. Oh, no. Well, it was more the opposite. It was more that my life is worth a blade of grass to the Japanese government. That's what the Japanese, that's what many of the Japanese were thinking because the concept that every Japanese person was going to fight for that's what many of the Japanese were thinking because the concept that every Japanese person was going to fight for every inch was propaganda of the highest order.

It was a half truth. There were certainly children being trained to kill American soldiers, women being trained, old men being trained. But most of them were like, hey, we'd love to eat more. Yeah. By the end of 1945, a lot of them were like, Hey, how long is this going? I'm looking at my watch here. Oh, it's glowing. That's incredible. Who did this? Yeah. But we could wrap it up. Yeah. I mean, there were multiple avenues to piece with Japan.

I have a news, both bloodless and aggressive. Yeah, we could have gotten it all. We did done all of it. But at no point was a full ground invasion of Japan, even a good option. No, much less the only one that lay before us at the end of the war. And the sad thing is, the war was fucking over. The sad thing is, and I know I'm supposed to bring levity, but I'll bring a little truth to it, the children were so young during this war, they actually called it Operation Teletubby. And I thought that that was ridiculous.

And I said, it's ridiculous. Yeah, that is ridiculous. Also, I'm going also, again, blanket. Remember, a lot of opinions are gonna get thrown around in our show, right? So we're gonna talk about this in our opinionated way, but it's also trying to break out of an American centered view of history.

But, you know, but we're gonna, we'll get some details. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, well definitely, we're gonna break out of the Emerocentric ideas, of course, but at the end of the day, we still fucking did it. My thing is, is like, my other side of it, it's like, yeah,

we're mad now, right? Mad America. Oh, man. But did you want them to get it? Did you want the Nazis to get in the end of the fuck? Did you want them to get it? No. So what you fucking want it?

They did not want them to get it. This is human nature, it's worse.. All right. But really, that's what the story we're going to tell over the next five episodes is going to be all about. We're going to cover why the atomic bomb went into development in the first place. We're going to cover how America pulled off such a massive undertaking and how the allies engaged in the ultimately unnecessary task of keeping the Nazis from getting the atomic bomb to. And at the end, I promise you that we will fully cover over the course of two episodes, the unimaginable, almost unspeakable horror, almost unspeakable horror.

Almost because we can't, we got to talk about it. We have to talk about it. It's audio medium. Right. The horror that resulted as a result of our decision to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it's some of the worst shit I've ever read in my life. It's pretty fucking bad. And so that's why for those of you who are like, oh, I wish you guys were doing another Chicago rippers series.

I don't think anyone asked for that. No, that's all that they want. I mean, like listen, don't worry. Pretty much the sold-out nipple cutting. Right now, we're just going to do a bunch of radiation poisoning in 1940s, i-jinks, but we're going to get to 200,000 debt. So don't worry, it's coming. All right.

Would you say to me the other day, you're going to get real tired of hearing the word sloughing. Oh, yeah, you know, you're real mad at that one. Right. the other day, you're going to get real tired of hearing the words sloughing. Oh, yeah. You're real mad at that. Right. Right. Now, in just three years, at the cost of $2 billion, America created an infrastructure that was as large as the entire automobile industry of the United States at the time to research the necessary methods to build and deliver an atomic bomb to a foreign enemy.

It's super power of unfettered capitalism. It does show you how times have changed. Two billion dollars is like a hammer and a screwdriver now for the Pentagon. That's, isn't that expensive. No, that's two billion dollars in 1941 money. Right. But that's going to be hundreds of billions of dollars. It's a lot of money.

I don't know the math on that. I don't know the math on that. I don't know the math on that. And also, yeah, the trillion dollars we spent on the Iraq war, but it's still pretty impressive. It's pretty impressive. It's good. It's good.

Well, this effort included multiple locations and three different regions of America. We built cities to get this shit done. We built cities in months to get the shit done. And it involved thousands of people. And most of these people had no idea what they were actually working towards. What I like about this series is that,

like it's sort of like if you looked at Mordor and Mordor the Rings and you were like, man, it took a hell of an architect to put all this together. Like it really is like, it's looking at that giant factory of violence and you're just being like, holy shit, they all showed up to work on time.

How did you get works to all arrive for their shifts? We just simply don't know about the orcs. Nor do we know about their sex life. How do they procreate? Why do they procreate? Some of them are built in the wrong. Well, that's the Urukai. That's your Rukai.

But the Urukai, yeah, they're form. Orcs, fuck, there's women orcs. There's a lot of debate on that. But we're not here to debate that today But the dark shadow of that impressive feet is that since the Manhattan Project was such a massive undertaking Engaged entirely in secret. It gives conspiracy theorists fuel to justify the feasibility of the most Byzantine Conspiracy theories see most of the big conspiracies, like just say, for example, 9-11 was an inside job. Okay. They fall apart when you start looking logically at the

massive infrastructure needed to pull off such an operation without anyone knowing anything about it before, during, or after. But if you make that argument, conspiracy theorists can always say, hey, if America can keep the Manhattan Project a secret, then they can keep anything a secret. Sure. And then of course, when it comes to lies by omission or allowing things to go undetected, I mean 9-11 has a lot of loose threads where you're like, how do that occur? Because the idea of it, I think we're going to see a little bit of that here too, because... But what you're talking about is in action.

I'm talking about full action. And the thing is, we didn't keep the Manhattan Project a secret. Oh, no, it was kind of a... The way we did it was a secret. But, oh, fuck it, world. I mean, the people we were all at war with, were all racing to do the same exact thing at the same exact time. Yeah, everybody knew we were working in an on an atomic bomb.

I mean, it wasn't front page news, but even the most innermost circle of scientists developing the bomb, they had spies feeding secrets to the Soviets. There was this dude, fuchs, that put the Soviets like two years ahead of where they would have been without us.

And there were other people like there were dudes like Richard Feynman who would like pull pranks on security. Like, what you working on? What's that above? Let's take it as finger in like these guy theory visiting another set in the Food Network Channel. Studio Center. Hey man, I have massive PTSD from World War One.

Could you please stop playing pranks on me like that? I just got it. I got some beef. You know that hot dog? He'd like to sneak in and out of the classified areas, just to see if he could. And he knew they couldn't tune him. But yeah, we didn't keep it in secret.

The shit was Swiss cheese. And perhaps even more German to the conversation is the fact that as soon as we drop the bomb, the president went on TV and said, surprise, it's called the time of bomb, you fucking won. Yeah, they're on air, we do awesome shit. And here's how we did it. Look at how much it took for us to fucking do this.

Can you do it? I don't think so. Be afraid, mother fuckers. And you could subtitle that with literally like, now who's the small man? Yeah. I can't you. I can't you. I can't you. I'm taking a true here is my hair. You did. It is the hairless room.

But the point is is that yeah, we did keep it mostly a secret for a couple years. Sure. But we immediately told everybody what we did. We didn't keep the Manhattan Project a secret forever. The bomb explosion itself blew the cover. Yeah, but I do think that where you see the hints of 9-11 in this is actually on the other side. Like when we get into the bombing of Hirha, Managasaki, we will talk about the fact that they did have some vague warning at some mysterious plane was showing up that wasn't acting like any. That's what I was told that they did have warning to move.

But I'm not sure to knock it out of the sky. And then they did. So we'll see. It's like that same thing where it's weird like, well, how 9 11 might have been allowed to happen could have been done by a small group of people that had some idea of a, like, long view for the United States of America that Matt Hatton project.

It's very difficult to get that many people all pulling in the same direction without it being a sort of, like, positive, pro-nationalistic thing. Not everybody's gonna be fighting for the America for a country to fail. Yes. And that's the thing is that those conspiracy theories are active conspiracy theories. not everybody's going to be fighting for the American for a country to fail. Yes. There is.

And that's the thing is that those conspiracy theories are active conspiracy theories. Henry, you're talking about those are passive conspiracy theories. Well, we're going to make Marcus for today. No, yeah. An active conspiracy theories take massive amounts of infrastructure. It's cooperation. Yes, it's cooperation. And that sort of thing cannot be kept a fucking secret.

And really, at the end of the day, keeping it a secret completely misses the point of doing something like this, because when you tell everybody, look, this is what we did. And this is how we did it. It tells them we can do this to you again. And it also tells them we have the power and resources to do this over and over and over again. And if we can do this, imagine what the fuck else were capable of. Absolutely. And we're still the only people to use it in war. And it's the and we that's also will get into the the mentality of why we dropped it because of that. It's kind of showing. Hey, that will be

build this big stick. We're going to wipe you with it. Yeah. And it's also not only billed this big stick and we'll wipe it with you too, but it's also going to Congress to say like, Hey, thanks for giving us all that money to build this big stick. Yeah, we'll use it. Well, Congress is like one no problem. Thank you for the kick back. We do appreciate that. But I think one question that I would pause it is human nature. Was it just bound to be used? I didn't He didn't use it anymore. But I need to do that. I need to do that. Honestly, that will actually be one of the central questions of specifically this first episode. Okay.

You know, and in the future, you know, it's that Henry does have some interesting ideas about that that we were talking about earlier. Only this one atomic bomb. If I just hit one, I could change so much. You could. I could change. Now as far as sources go, we've got a bevy that our research team has done an incredible job with.

We've used like five books for this series, but we'll put that full list on our Instagram. But for this episode in particular, we used quite a bit from a fucking fantastic book called The Bastard Brigade. A Bastard Brigade. A Bastard Brigade. Awesome, Mary. Yeah.

By Sam Keane. It's written from the perspective of the allies versus the Nazis in respect to the development of the atomic bomb. And of course, the Bastard Brigade, they were brought together when the general said, all right, who amongst you have it out of the father? Who has no father? Bunny. Bunny.

I don't have any evidence. You're willing to die for the country. Uncle Sam's your father come over here. Well, such this first episode is going to have a whole lot of Nazis because had we not been now have because have we not been so afraid that the Nazis were going to make a nuclear weapon happen. It's almost positive that we ourselves would not have put the Manhattan Project into motion. And it turns out all those facilities were just cooking up more meth for the troops and Hitler.

A lot of it's meth. A lot of it's a lot of it's drug. There's a lot of drug building and it's a lot of like, you know, they love rockets. They had fun. They love rockets. And so let's start with the people who discovered the scientific and mechanical principles that made the mass slaughter of up to 226,000 people possible. See kids, science can be fun. See? It can be. It's almost, it's a quarter million people.

That's f**k. Wow. See, Stan, science is cool. And not all of them died immediately. See, they suffered Stan. He stands science is cool and not all of them died immediately see they suffered stand Now we're not going to get to into the weeds with the science of the atomic bomb because after all This is still a room full of liberal arts majors who have avoided science and math at all costs for our entire life I will say some of the more challenging reading I've done Was some of trying to Understand how all of these things work.

I'm still mad about the when they added the fucking letters. I'm still mad. Yeah. And I literally, so you're talking about chemistry. Yeah. I was like, I thought there's numbers. No, man. I'm not going to tell you're talking about algebra.

I'm not even sure. You're not even talking about the add of the letters. It's completely real because like, I'm good with letters. But then I was looking at the letters because all chemistry is, because like I'm good with letters. But then I was looking at the letters because all chemistry is I don't know. He's using letters like their numbers. I hate it. I was like what in the living fuck. And then they tried to like make no answer. I was like, hold on. Put three. I'm talking about algebra. I'm talking about chemistry. I look at it. And you know, it's dumb. You guys can't even have a conversation

about science talking about the same branch of science. I don't know what science this is. I know physics. It's like, here we go. My level of science is still like, what if I mix like garlic butter with peanut butter? Does it make a baby? If you put it in a woman, we don't know. Well, I mean, that's what we're gonna do our best to not gloss over it too much. Because while the science is indeed complicated, that's what we're gonna do our best to not gloss over it too much, because while the science isn't decomplicated, it's fucking nuclear physics.

Explaining some of it gives context to the people who discovered it. Important, essential context. And it tells us the motivations for why certain people did what they did and why some of those same people didn't do things that they should have. Oh, wow.

Sounded in judgy. A little. That's the one thing about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when you are not in favor of it, you do sound a little prudish. Yeah, you're like, oh, yeah. The bomb. Mr. Beatnik. I'm actually talking about the Nazis.

Oh, what's going on? They really dropped them off. Honestly, they did drop the Nazis fucking bumble this whole fucking shit. Well, that's what we're going to get into. And furthermore, the science also gives us insight into just how horrible the weapon and atomic bomb really is because we knew full well the consequences of setting up a nuclear explosion in a city long before we actually did it. We knew exactly what would happen. Yeah.

Now, put simply America began developing an atomic weapon for one reason and one reason only, which was both understandable and necessary at the time. Namely, all of our intelligence and all of our best scientists were screaming that the Nazis were developing an atomic bomb themselves. And if the Nazis were to succeed, and we had every reason to think they would, then it was good by London, followed soon after, by a fawn farewell to Washington, DC, and then New York, and then Baltimore. Oh, not Baltimore!

Oh, no! I got it, go to Baltimore now! Okay, Baltimore probably would have taken out, been taken out with Washington. It might have been Milwaukee. I think it was. I think it's going to be taken out with bad liberal policies. It's disgusting. But it's, did you know that that MSG Madison Square gardener, the big old Nazi event?

I do like it would have just taken a couple of years just judging by a modern American society. I think it would have just taken a couple of years for the Nazis if they did win to be like US states of. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I feel like I'm a child. That's the whole Charles Lindbergh thing. I mean, Charles Lindbergh was almost elected president and he was a Nazi. You also literally just said what Heisenberg said. We're not Heisenberg. Literally said, if we just give the Nazis a chance in a couple of years, they're cool out. Like literally, like that was the idea. Be like, chance in a couple of years they're cool out. Like literally like that was the idea. Be like no, no, no, they're cool out.

They're figuring out the treatment. They're giving ads all the time. They're treating them like a fucking toddler who's like, fucking destroying your kitchen. Like just let him tire out and eventually he'll fall asleep on the floor. It's still a fringe idea here as well. We just they give a lot of air because they make a lot of noise. But to understand why we knew that Anats Nazi atomic bomb was basically the end of free society the world over the wolf and sun scenario.

If you will, then we get to do it. The game was so frickin', all three of those games are awesome. Yeah. We've got to understand how the world knew, how scientists knew, just how powerful an atomic bomb could be. And for that, we need to go back to a little element called radium Yeah, yeah, I guess you ready to learn about radium. I better be Hey, you want to go get stoned in the bathroom? Yeah, don't worry. I got put your hands in his house or we can chuck

It's really perfect. It's great. Yeah, Mr. Parks is fucking boring Yeah, Mr. Parks is fucking boring. Yeah, Mr. Parks, teach me about your funny little meadow. Radium, the element that we all owe the future to. And he's doing his old time. He's trying to keep us things. How he used it? Radium, discovered by Marie and Pierre Curie in 1898, is the most radioactive naturally occurring substance in existence, and

it opened the door to radioactivity research. See in the early 20th century, radium was thought to be a sort of miracle element. It was used in everything from medicines to the minute and our hands on glow-in-the-dark watches that were being manufactured for world war one soldier. Yes, they could be constantly bombarded by radioactive material at all time. Yeah, it's a big price to pay just to know what time it is. Well, from what it seemed like at first, radio was saving lives even in the smallest of applications.

Because they just took a rock out that literally glowed. Yeah, and it's like it's a glorotic glow and they're like, Oh, nice. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of interesting. I mean, all the glow in the dark watches, you know, all these soldiers have them. They can tell the time without having to, you know, light a match. Sure. That would have got their head blown off by a fucking sniper.

Do you remember that in, uh, band of brothers when he was like, thing is unlucky for you to like three cigarettes off of one match? Yep. Yeah. Because that's how long it takes for a sniper to see you. Also, there's a new series. That's why I don't do it. There's a new series coming out after 600 pound life called Lap Band of Brothers. Keep it coming. Keep it coming. But these radium watches came with the price. See, the women working at the factories,

manufacturing these watches would paint the radium onto the watch hands with little paint brushes. And with the painting of each hand. Oh, no, my brush. It's gotten a little swishy there. I'm not going to be able to paint these little hands. Nick, lick. Oh, no. And then they go back to another radio. They'd go back into the radio and lick, lick, lick, lick, lick all day, all day, all day,

eight hours a day. And as a result, a number of these women developed sores, anemia, mouth cancers, and a horrifying condition called radium jaw in which your jaw just fucking falls off. Roger Ebert. No. That's a whole army of Roger Ebert. That's not good. And it's bad for the movie industry.

Everything's a thumbs down. Yeah. They're eating tongue sandwiches and it's not from cats. But that's worst case scenario. Best case scenario in radium jaw is that you just get like extra jaw. Like a jaw plus. Yeah, I don't know. Like a grapefruit-sized tumor on your jaw.

God, that's gotta be bad. And just like, oh, God. And you don't even want to be near them if they're all learning how to whistle. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, I'm a lot of... Hell, I... Hell, I...

Great for blowing out a birthday cake, though. Oh, yeah. Don't want to see him with a taco. No, you don't. Oh, God. Give me out of this lunch. Very good. Very good.

It's been a long time ago. I'm allowed to make fun of the radium, girl. Oh, you are. You are. Eventually, 100 workers died from radium poisoning in those watch factories. Enough where the women who worked there were nicknamed the living dead. She's just, this is just, and this is normal. This is normal.

It's just like a natural working. Oh, those are the living dead. Look at them. They're about to drop at any second, but you wouldn't know it. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go,

go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, Insides were just fucking cooked, you know, because that's the way radiation sickness works is that was the one of the big mysteries after Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that there would be the survivors that don't spoil it Okay, I won't spoil it. I won't spoil about how yet people died of radiation poisoning after Hiroshima I don't want to give away that fucking crucial pop point after Hiroshima and I don't want to give away that fucking crucial pop point. It gets super power. They could have gotten super power. It's more about like how we showed up saying, hey guys, don't worry, we'll fix it. And then we just watch people melt. That's one way to do it. Yes. But even with the bad press concerning what came to be known as the case of the

radium girls, business interests are fully dodged, the dangers of radium radiation, and they continued contributing to America's obsession with better living through chemistry. We trusted radium, we trusted atomic power. Yeah, because the scientist said it was okay. Yeah, and we didn't know how a globe would just figure that was, had gods lit a poops. Well, to be fair, yes, is God's little poop. Radium, it's still used in some medical treatments today, although they mostly face it out of cancer treatments by like 2015. Is that those same material that they inject into you to see?

Because I know that they do sometimes inject a light radioactive material. I need a chart through your blood. It's a die, yeah, it's not radium. No, they definitely don't inject radium into you. Absolutely not. Oh, man, I don't inject radium into you. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm loving it. Well, not for what you're saying. I mean, for, yeah, for the said, because I had that done not too long ago and it definitely, I wasn't radium. They

would have told me if it was radium, right? Honestly, it's incredible. They would have told you it was radium. Yeah, definitely. Certainly. They're always completely transparent. Yeah. A lot of doctors work out of their cardboard boxes. Yeah. I mean, I once I started my treatments, it was incredible because now I don't need the nightlight and right. Yeah. I mean, I once I started my treatments, it was incredible, because now I don't need the nightlight, right? Yeah. Just walk through, glow in everywhere, scurrying my neighbors.

Yeah. Well, in 2015, Radium, while it was used, it up till 2015, it was used with far more care than the original methods. Originally, Radium, talking to an awful fucking paintbrush. Yeah. Too much of people making watches.

No, dude, I'm talking about when they were using Radium for cancer treatment. Oh, God. Because they used Radium for cancer treatment because they use radium for cancer treatment up till about 2015 and they still use it every once in a while to this day. But back then in the original times, they just cut you open, took a piece of radium, popped it out of the tumour and sewed it on. And then just left it there. They got to think that's, man, too simple.

It's just a nice day to be a doctor. It's easier than, yeah. Or they'd take a radio needle and then just stab it. Just tap it, tap it, tap it. They just stab the lanterns, the tumor. All right. They can cast the soil. Nurse Nancy, what we're going to work on today is skipping the radio into the body.

So you want to get two escapes right by the heart. It's a night of a greening idea. When we cut the whole thing, we cut them up and, we, him up. We put him over there. That tape. He gave me a ball or a medium. Yeah. We don't like. We don't like. Yeah. Oh, he needs a Swiss into his liver. It's just swish. Although basketball wasn't invented, I don't believe you. I think James Nase Smith had put up that pair basket. For this white basketball. When men didn't jump and they were allowed

to dribble without interference. Bob Kuzi. But of course, the most famous death associated with radium is Marie Curie herself. You know, Marie Curie? Yeah, I fucking know. Polish. Yeah.

That one. Yeah, she died of melting to that. No, that actually is a bit of a misnomer. She died of A plastic anemia in 1934, but she was also fucking 66. She meant for a woman that like free balls, radio act material for a couple of decades. That's a long life. It's a very long life. But to this day, her notebooks and papers are kept in the lead line boxes and handled

with protective clothing because they're still highly radioactive almost a hundred years later. Even her fucking cookbooks, just that shit that she used in her house will give you cancer. You don't want all of your books to be stored next to the Necronomicon for safety reasons. No. But it is a bit of a myth that she died from radium exposure. She's famous for dying from radium exposure, but she didn't actually die from that. We did help.

What did she do? She's not like, she wasn't like, she was fucking on this cover of sports. She is where I can come in with my argument about COVID statistics. Oh, great. Or radium in order to actually die from it to get sick, you have to ingest it. You have to eat it, or you have to, it has to be absorbed in your body somehow. You can't just like play with radium.

But don't we have these little things that could absorb, I mean, it was just going into the body a little bit. Yeah, slightly, it does. But you can get a chunk in there. Yeah, you can't just be in the same room as a chunk of radium and get radiation poisoning. Doesn't work that way. Marie Curie's death by radiation probably came from her extensive use of unshielded X-rays during World War

One. But that only further exposes radiation as a slow silent killer, even if you aren't vaporized in the first blast of an atomic bomb. Yeah, it's like a jelly. The radioactive poisoning, radiation poisoning is the jelly of the month club of slow deaths. Right. Because it's just, he's coming back. But you don't know if it was the Marmalade or the first jam. You don't know which one it was. It was an amalgamation, perhaps. Now, while Marie Curie was a scientific genius in her own right, it was her daughter Irene

who played a central role in developing the theories and practices that led to the creation of the atomic bomb. The first. The first. The first. She's not, she's the first Neppo baby. She's not a Neppo baby. She was a brilliant woman and researcher. She won the fucking Nobel Prize. Oh, yeah, that's easy.

Probably the little help from her mom. Yeah, yeah. Mr. Parks is really in love with this woman, huh? Yeah, man, born on third base with radiation poisoning. So in 1926, Irene married a junior scientist named Frederick Jolio who was working under Irene at the Marie Curie Institute in Paris. Half of the Basserburg age chapter on Irene Curie does basically say that like, it's weird. It roars her of all time.

Power difference. But how Frederick was like too hot for her, and then they called their, him her jiggle-o, and that he was like pounder out. She was a handsome woman. She was definitely more concerned with radiation than dressing. He loved her for the mind.

I mean, if you've ever seen Sarah Huckabee's Sanders husband, he's not totally foolish. He married her for the free transportation, because he hops on her back, and she can go 25 miles. You just strap the oath through her front. She's a surprise when she could mud, slew. Oh yeah, she has the ability to reverse her knee. She's got four bitch struts.

Yeah, yeah. She's a mother. The mother was a mother. Oh yeah, NEPO. Well, mirroring the work-marriage relationship of Irene's parents, Irene and Frederick built on radiation experiments performed in 1932 by German physicists. That's 1932, just a year before Hitler came to power and only 13 years before America dropped the first bomb.

To put it in the simplest way possible, physicists in the 20s and 30s began to understand the fundamental principles of the universe at an extraordinarily rapid pace. The work of one scientist exponentially built on the work of another until mankind had a relatively deep understanding of how the universe worked on a subatomic level. It's crazy that it went from math to boom boom in 13 years. It went from fully just theoretical ideas about the universe. Yeah.

And, but it was about where these ideas got hatched. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, these same physicists unfortunately realized almost immediately after discovering these principles that this understanding of the universe could be used to make weapons. It's basically the story of the human race. We are far too violent to be this smart. But there's something about it because we're kind of talking about it. If there's an happening in a peaceful country during a peaceful time, the first thing you'd imagine, because we're just a

peaceful world, I think. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. Energy. we get free energy, no one will ever have to fight for energy ever again, we can fuel the world. That would maybe be the first idea, but because it happened in truly like, yes, height of Nazi Germany was extremely dangerous. But if you want to talk about, I have in my mind one of the most dangerous time periods is right before and those like early 30s time period when Nazis were still kind of cool when they were up and coming when they're just building their heat. You know, when they were coming in there, right? The Reichstag fire hasn't quite yet happened. They got like 33% of the Reichstag. Wait, you get your hair cut. Like, you know, like that type of shit. Right. When fucking Madison Square Garden could be filled with Nazis. Yes. At that time period, like these scientists, they're all largely either, you know, Jewish people that definitely were

going to be the focus of the iron of the Nazi party. They just saw like, oh, they're going to kill everybody with this. Well, then I would question, would it have been made in a time of peace? I don't know. I mean, well, if it would have been made, I'll let you decide at the end of the series. Yes. Well, basically, Irene and Fredericks' experiments with radioactive substances helped another scientist to discover the existence of the neutron than another scientist discovered had to split that neutron and so on and so forth. It happened real fast. Soon as that thing kicked off, they were like, they were really all jumping on the top,

one discovery in top of another. Now, but when it came to the further discoveries of the Curie Jolgoes, the creation of the atomic bomb wouldn't have been possible had they not discovered the ability to create artificial radioactivity, which is the process that creates the enriched uranium that lies at the center of an atomic bomb. And that's why you can find that same enriched uranium in your classic white bread. Mmm. That keeps it white and rich. an atomic bomb. And that's why you can find that same enriched to uranium in your classic white bread. Mm hmm. You have to keep it white and rich.

Keep it white. White. Uh, but you know, because we understood immediately that in order for you to get the proper chain reaction that needed to make something like an atomic bomb, you need very specific isotope of uranium or whatever the term is uranium. I think isotope, you're in it. 235. Yes. and it's that thing. And we'll get into that here in a little bit. But didn't need to figure out because that happens

rarely originally like, oh, they know it'll be all to make a bomb and then they figure out, oh, but then we can figure out how to make that stuff. Yeah, because that's, that's because that's the thing is that trying to get the uranium M235, like it was almost impossible to get in it. Like they said it would take decades to collect enough naturally to create enough to get an atomic like they said it would take decades to collect enough naturally

to create enough to get in a atomic bomb. But then they figured out with this, oh, here's how you just do it in a lab. Well, it doesn't the atomic bomb show us the power of working together? That's what this is all about. That it really is with this is all about. Once we start getting truly into like the development of the Manhattan Project, you're going to have your mind blown. It's a whole episode of work together.

Come on, come on, it's Work Together. Hey, man, did you eat my sandwich out of the goddamn lunchroom? I'm a diver, you got me. Yeah. Well, the discovery of artificial radiation, artificial radioactivity, it was so impressive that Irene and Frederick were awarded the Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1934. But in a sign of the times, the winner of the Nobel Prize in biology that year was a full

on Nazi named Hans Spieman, who shoehorned a tacky zig-hile into his Nobel Prize acceptance speech. And this is the time your people were like, what's he doing? What's that? You know, maybe like now, it's like a by time traveled match and a by time traveled back and time, right? I won the Nobel Prize, but I do my long speech about how fucking great I am, I'm smart I am how I crush it.

Home made speech. Yeah, day by day by day. Everybody want to fuck me. Everyone wants to suck me by me dinner. I mean beers. Of course, I'm the Lord of the chemistry. And then I dab. You know, like, oh, dad, and they're like, whoa, whoa, that's cool.

That would be cool. It would be, yeah. I mean, in 1934, the Jewish people definitely knew what he was doing. He was good. Yeah, they knew what he was going. You're like, oh, oh, yeah. That's not right. I didn't sign up for this kind of, sounds like CPAC.

Come here, come here. He was named Groober Kistle that was that was there giving out these incredible peanuts. He was he was he was he an catering company. My grandfather was working with labor unions at the time labor unions that were manufacturing what labor. Yes, I can't wait. Yes, we got them. We got to be in the groups.

They're concerning the Nazis in science. We established in our MK Ultra and in our Joseph Mangala series that most of the brightest scientific minds in Germany didn't buy in to Nazi ideology. Physicists in particular, most famously Albert Einstein left Germany in droves. Can we use this series to correct? It's Einstein. Okay. Einstein.

Einstein. Albert Albert Einstein. Okay, Einstein. Einstein Albert Albert Einstein. He's getting me confused better if I say it like that. Yes. He doesn't care. He has a sense of humor. He would like the show. He actually would. He's just telling out and his ears are big. He's funny. And I'm back from college again. He's funny. He's a funny guy. Yeah. Walter Mathau played him that one move. That was great. He ate out Meg Ryan or something. Yeah. I think they're actually going to get the corpse of Walter Mathau to play Henry Kissinger now. Great. Yeah. But all this contributed significantly to a huge brain drain in Germany. But it's important to

remember that while Nazi Germany was definitely stuck with a bunch of psychopaths who thought that the height of medical science was so in two twins together to see what would happen. Oh my goodness. There were still plenty of brilliant minds who decided to stay behind and roll the dice. Most of them were, as we know, in the rocket program. In labor unions. No. Most famously, you had Werner von Braun, who was brought to America after the war to head the Apollo program, which eventually took America to the moon. During the war, he developed the V2 rockets that terrorized England. Just know that a lot of the names will say that are involved on the Nazi end of the atomic program.

They do end up eventually some point in 1950s waving the little American flags. They got you. They are Betty Boop. Betty Boop. Love it. Love it. Betty Grabel. What a dish. You know, Betty Boop violent. They violently heard it's a child. It's how would this actually I don't why you busting about this about the whole second episode about the story of Betty Boop's molestation. Oh, I would love that. Oh, my God. I was watching some old Hollywood films from what they did with these young actresses.

Not good. The interviews. Oh, yeah. Shirley Temple. Yeah. No, holy hell. What? She was straight up not good.

We got it back to Vernon Von Braun. Yeah, we could do it. We can do a whole thing on Shirley Temple later. What a hell. She was straight up not good. We got it back to Werner Vombron. Yeah, we could do it. We can do a whole thing on Shirley Temple later. We actually could. Okay. I guess. But besides Vombron, only if she killed people, now would have been incredible. She could have. I mean, for the show, not for a second. Yeah. But besides Vombron, Nazi Germany managed to hold on to one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century, a man whose arrogance, narcissism, and moral bankruptcy made him the perfect alias for breaking bad's Walter White. That man was Werner Heisenberg.

My name is Vona Heisenberg, and if you cannot handle me at my worst, do not deserve me at my best. What's your worst? I'm developing the atomic weapons program for the Nazi war machine. What's your best? I'm really good at making toast.

Always small. It's perfect. I look at the sex she has a brand. I know exactly what he to apply to it. One one seems a lot worse than the other. Also, at least I was bad at doing the atomic program. I was bad at it. I was like, by bad entirely.

Well, heisenberg was a bit of a boy genius at this point in history. He'd just won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1932 at the age of 31. These were for theories on quantum mechanics. I can't explain them to you. And this had been preceded by the publishing of his famous uncertainty principle in the mid-20s. I also can't explain you a Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

Hey, I tried to, I tried to understand it. Yeah. And it's okay. So on a quantum, Fernando, you know it? Oh, God. No, quantum levels. He just furrowed his brow at you and anger. He was an engineer quantum. Quantum quantum, quantum, quantum, real small, right?

Things operate as both a particle and a wave. And basically it's about how hard it does happen to be. It's about hard to, location is a tricky thing in physics. That's basically what it's about. And how saying something where, where something is in space time is actually very difficult to actually ascertain In on the quantum level. Is it the principle that you change something by simply by the act of observing it? No, no snow. Well, it's about how Fernandez give me an almost

It's pretty told about how there's a point. What does it mean? It's a point in a way. Oh, it means both. Hey, hey, good. Good. Look at that. God, we're just going to get real. All people are going to talk about. We don't know the thing. We are history. People, we are, I look at history like stories.

I play them like movies in my mind. When I see fucking science writing, I just go dead. I'm hoping to play and just go black. I had an English professor in college who used to wear a wizard hat to school sometimes to class because he taught literature, the fantastic. Oh yeah. Nice. And how much of that class cost?

I was welcome to Asperger's University. It was quite possibly the most valuable class I took in all of the whole entire English department. And of course, quantum is Quaddo's brother. And he used to hang out in Arnold Schwarzenegger's ass hole. Don't run out of steam. I'm not my friend. Oh, buddy, the steam train keeps on going. Yep. It is getting steaming. But the point is that Werner Heisenberg had a reputation the world over for being a top mind in the field of physics. And history proved him to be one of the most influential scientists of the 20th century, despite the fact that he actively worked on making an atomic bomb for Adolf Hitler.

Well, there was also the massive lightwashing process that happened after the war. Yeah. To try to distance him and his legacy from what he did for, they don't know that. Now, in private, Heisenberg claimed to loath Nazis. Whatever. But if you read both twin lines, it seems like Heisenberg more found Nazis to be like, you know, like annoying and like kind of embarrassing. Well, he said that he wanted to be a political.

Like, and so that was his idea. He's like, all he wanted to do was pure science. He didn't he hated the activity of the world. He wanted to be what, is it Dr. Manhattan in the watchman? Where he's like, I'm sick of being in these humans lives and dealing with their cycles. He was kind of like that where he just wanted to do science in a room, but you know, when it's the Nazis,

then you gotta choose the side. I feel like, you know, for something like this, especially it's the Nazis, you gotta choose the side. I feel like, you know, for something like this, especially it's like, yeah, you're not just serving peanuts for an catering world, right? I mean, it's not like he's deciding like, oh, I can't fucking work for that guy because I don't like his opinion on the capital gains tax.

Yeah, yeah, like it's different. It's a Nazis. I mean, I can't work with that guy. I'm a bullshit. Well,, I can't work with that guy. Well, Heisenberg claimed that what mattered most was the continuation of his beloved homeland of Deutschland, Germany, the father Lab, and it didn't matter to him who was running it. I mean, nothing. Well, this of course was a convenient excuse. This was a Justification. What mattered most to Heisenberg was Heisenberg and how smart people thought Heisenberg was if you've seen German women You know it's the motherland Man he's just because that's the idea of like he thinks all countries can talk like they're a part of the P.W.

Herman man They can't no Germany doesn't give a fuck Germany's Tiktotic plates and mountains Germany doesn't exist. It's not, it's just a land man. Borders ain't real. Yeah. Germany is a construct man. You guys are really helping out. Yeah. Very good.

But even though Heisenberg was often harassed by the Nazis for practicing the quote unquote Jew physics of Albert Einstein, they said they're like, why are you always doing Jew physics? Why don't you do Aryan physics? Aryan physics is so much better. Well, Aryan physics are all like how many like brought worse can you fit into a canister?

Like, and none of them are really, was also it's ancient math. It's all stuff that they got completely like rolled over by the theory of relativity. Well, it's like organ energy, you know, it's shit like that. It's like how can we use crystals to levitate its continents? Like they're talking about the science of laminaria.

Well, there's a lot of people that still believe that. I think a former president doesn't matter if that believes you just get a certain amount of time alive on earth and then you just die. So there's no need to exercise exercise actually hurts because it drains your energy and then you die earlier. There's like a lot of people in that weird. It is. because it drains your energy and then you die earlier. There's like a lot of people. You know, where it is? Well, just like Walter White made math with no thought towards the consequences of his decisions, just so long as his ego was fed, so too did

Werner Heisenberg develop atomic weapons for the Nazis without carrying what the Nazis might do with an atomic weapon. But to that analogy, they also realized they were going to die. They knew that no way did they ate it off, actually think that this was going to last forever. I was talking with my great father. And the one thing is Germany is the size of Wisconsin. They knew they were fucked. So I think there was also at the end. And at the very, very end they were there.

This is at them. They're their most comfortable. I don't even know the terminal cancer yet. No, no, no, not only were they at their most confident at this point, they were at their most powerful, like they're about to put the entirety of Europe on its heels. Everybody over for them. They just got done into this point. You know, you're watching them take Poland, take Denmark, take all these things. And we're almost there.

What do you mean? Like it's at that point, that was that machine was gearing up. They were ready. Yeah. The military machine was gearing up and they had a plan for that. Like they had a plan for turning it from Wisconsin into the Midwest. Well, it is flip every because they all thought, once everybody gets a whiff of this not-season, they are going to love it. And it's something good.

And some did, especially your people. Yeah, the Polish. I know it's bad. I love that. It was bad. Now, in the beginning, when the Nazis were trying to root out anyone with Jewish symphonies, prior to World War II, Heisenberg was given a lot of shit for not declaring his support for Hitler in public, like Hans Schbiemann had done with his Nobel Prize, Zieg Heil.

Uh, but the thing about Heisenberg was that his mother was friends with Heinrich Himmler's mother. So it's all just about women that quilt together. He is. Basically, well, they called them a white Jew in the newspaper. Yeah. It was a whole thing. They kept calling them a white Jew and then he freaked out because again, the neutrality

swung both ways. He was trying to have it all in one go. Yeah. You didn't want to choose a side and he wanted to make sure he could play whoever was there to pay him a check. He was, he wanted to be there for. So Heisenberg went to the head of the SS directly. Heinrich Himmler, one of the most terrifying people

in Nazi Germany to complain that he was being harassed and he felt that he had the right to do so because their mothers were friend. My son is getting flames on the internet. That is literally what it is. It's like, you have your mom go yell the Donald Rumsfeld because somebody is fucking literally making fun of you on Instagram. I'm your play.

Anything put it right here and anytime someone comes into the room or opens the door, it doesn't matter if I have my headphones on. No one's sneaking up on me. So you bought a re-requording? Well, we don't, it's not sequitur. No, no, but we just did a bathroom break and Marcus just said he bought rear-room mirrors for his computer monitor so that we can't sneak up on him. So nobody can sneak up on him. Sounds like a real him learn to me. Yeah. What do you mean a hamlet? Also orcs do reproduce. Oh, no kid. The Heisenberg was important to Nazi Germany, but he wasn't that important.

So to prove that he wasn't sheltering Jewish people because he practiced quote unquote Jew physics, he actually requested a full up the ass investigation from the SS, complete with wire taps and spikes. That is the widest thing I've ever heard, writing yourself out to the Nazis. Yeah, well, it was a fine investigation, did come through with a couple of different sexual kinks, though. Oh, yeah, yeah, but it's crazy. Nobody wanted the direct attention of the SS.

Nobody. Yeah, because if they find something, they are going to kill you. Yes. Right. Now, this, of course, infuriated Heisenberg's wife. She resented the intrusion, but all Heisenberg cared about

was that his scientific honor was intact. Don't worry, baby. We're going to brand it as Vanderpump rules. Whoa. He even capitulated to the Nazi command when they said that he couldn't mention the names of any Jewish scientist. It made the teaching of the theory of relativity particularly difficult. Well, again, this is more, it's fascist dumb brain games.

Yeah. When they go and they're like, you can teach these principles. You cannot say who made the principles because then they get everybody gets all like, oh, teach these principles. You cannot say who made the principles, because then they get everybody gets all like, oh, they sound nice, oh, they sound cool. Albert Einstein, his new name, Flourth Gorpersen. I may say Flourth Gorpersen from here on out.

We can code, yeah, yeah, Jerry Daddy Michael said. Mm, well, even after crystal knocked, arguably opening night for the Holocaust. Oh, wow, it was, It's show. It's show. No. I mean, it's fucking horrible. It's a fucking crystal knocked. Yeah.

Heisenberg saw this. He was there. He was like, oh, he refused to leave Germany. He said that someone needed to stay behind. Someone needed to defend German science. He said, quote, Germany needs me. Oh, actually, they don't know. No, Germany actually, the Germany does not, does not need you. No, we don't want Germany to have you. No, not at this point. No, no, I sometimes think

if I could, if it wasn't for Hitler, like truly, the most brilliant minds on earth were in Germany. Yeah. Oh, you know, it was incredible. That's kind of what they're, this is where Heisenberg is coming from. Germany was like the center of nuclear physics on the forefront of all of these sciences. And as the Nazis took over, the brain drain happened. They all went scattering and running. But it was that's what Heisenberg meant by I needed to fend German science, which is basically mean like it's Lebron staying in Cleveland, right? It's that thing where he's like, well, I have to stay right after the, oh, I mean, because now he becomes number one. Yeah. Everybody else leaves. Now I'm the big, bad daddy left. Yeah. Sometimes you got to go and come back though to win that championship. We learned that

they're hard way by sitting on television. Sitting at home watching television. Now, even though America's work on the atomic bomb was a closely held secret all throughout World War II, every physicist worth their salt had known that an atomic bomb was not only possible, but inevitable since the mid-30s before World War II even began. Well, it sounds like how I have been talking about AI

and drones because a drone just killed a soldier. I guess we haven't gotten there yet. I hope you know. After Irene and Frederick, Julio Curie accepted the Nobel Prize for their work on artificial radio activity, an Italian scientist named Enrico Fermi figured out before Irene and Frederick's speech was even over that their discovery could lead to a weapon that could create an explosion, the likes of which the earth had never seen. You know what? I think that the Italians, yes, very smart, but you can't be that smart when the food is

so good. You got to take breaks. It's just your happy. I've been saying this. We got to do. I was talking about as we were prepping for the show, but like I really want to do a Mussolini series because I really, that is the one thing I know the least about in terms of World War II is Italian fascism and what sauce goes with

that? Yeah, I know Mussolini. It sounds so good, clams and everything else. I could definitely see it. Hitler sounds like a plate of rocks that has shit in it. But it's like, I don't even have how to say it because like, maybe I'm completely incorrect, but it does sort of feel like Italian fascism was kind of like fascism light. Like it was like, it was like a goofy fascism, but I don't know.

I'd say it's fascism with a smile. I think it's still pretty strong over there, isn't it? I mean, it's bad, but it's fascism with a smile. Longer moustaches. I guess a better food. True. But working off Irene and Fredrick's discoveries and Rico Fermi discovered that under the right conditions any element could become radioactive, which put in place the next

piece of the puzzle of how to make an atomic bomb. Okay. See, after Fermi, radium had been the primary element for radiation experiments. However, radium have become extremely expensive because of its wide commercial use at the time. It had been, they were starting to use it in herotonics, bath salts, face creams, suppositories.

You got a kid that has teeth that are too good. Try radium cereal, effort breakfast. To positories, you try to make your butthole glow? It's one of the most popular toothpaste at the time was radium toothpaste. Oh, yeah. We'll get into that later. Whole glow. Yeah.

Whole glow. Yeah, we have a perfect, we have whole glow for your asshole. My favorite though is radium condoms. Radium condoms were made by a company called NutX. Not, not X. They have the slogan, the seriously the slogan printed on the tens. Get next to Nut X. Not X. Not X. They have the slogan, the seriously the slogan printed on the tens, get next to nut X. They called it nut back then too.

Yeah, maybe it was nut X. New text. New text, but get next to new text. I don't know, but it said ask for them by name. Okay, give me some nut X. Well, usually I go to the store and just point and grunt Get out. Get out. Gotta get some gummy cancer socks.

We have some fix. But as a result, radium was sitting at the extremely high price point of four million dollars per gram in today's current. But with a discovery that any element could be made radioactive under the right conditions, the element of choice for radioactivity experiments became the element that radium was extracted from. It was considered a junk element at the time. Nobody wanted it, but pretty soon everybody wanted uranium.

Everybody wants it! Yes indeed, uranium. And uranium I think, and then I think, I think it was chosen because the right conditions for making uranium radioactive was easier than making, like, say, iron radioactive. Yeah. Yeah, because, you know, it already coexisted with a naturally radioactive substance. You're, you're hypothesizing his loss on us. Completely crazy.

Completely crazy. He must be. I'm just going to record everything that he said for the test and when I regurgitate it, I'm going to get an A. Yeah. I think I'm just trying to, I'm just using logic for why they didn't use like fucking dirt. I'm really just mad already because the Oppenheimer movie is not going to do this, but I know that there's going to be a movie that comes along where it's just every sequence is going to

be set to some 1980s song where they're all like I think we just found uranium like and it's just gonna be them all like with sunglasses on like that and shit. I just um Is the Oppenheimer gonna have that is gonna have a No, wait a second. I've just become death Destroyer world He doesn't have that much fun. I mean, he's creative, but I fun. He's not fun.

You're an Oppenheimer? Oppenheimer is a complicated character. We're gonna get Oppenheimer's very, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just about to move the Oppenheimer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm more just about to move the Oppenheimer. He's gonna be a brooding little bitch.

I guarantee you. Billy Murphy's great, though. He's gonna do, if you're gonna have one, that's him. He is great, but he's gonna be, if you put Silly Murphy in there, he's gonna brood. Here you go, I'll do an impression of Silly Murphy and Oppenheimer. Already, you ready?

Okay. Well, you know, if they... Silence, staring, because you know, there's gonna be 10 words in the movie. If they made him a rabbit, they could call him Hoppinheimer. Save it! Save it! Save it!

Let's have him get to the whole Oppenheimer app! This is Hoppinheimer! Now, up until 1938, the idea that one could split an atom and release the incredible energy contained therein, it was theoretical. It's the idea of chain reactions. If you split one atom, then another atom will be split and another and another and they will then split so fast

and so many of them will split so fast that it will create a massive release of energy in explosion, a nuclear explosion. You know what? Absolutely, it's like if you order Sonic and Taco Bell consume that in the same night, the next morning, you're gonna have a cosmic explosion. But you see, in the element you're truly missing

is what they'll have to figure out is if you really want to expand your range, your splatter range of your liquid shit, you're gonna want to get a thin and a strong of a toilet paper tube that you could put right against your asshole. Yeah. And if you concentrate the force of the splattery diaria up through a tube and up and out and direct the energy outwards, that's really how you get yourself an atomic shit bed.

Oh, thank you, Professor Soprowski, Mr. Parks. You could learn something from this guy. Ha ha. I do things a little differently. No pants, no pants at crappy university. Remember, this is 1938. Hitler has been in power for about five years. The concentration camps are built. The tanks are massing on the borders.

Shit is about to go down. And so it was particularly frightening that the man who took the splitting of the atom from theoretical to practical was a German named Otto Hahn. Nuclear vision had been achieved. The power of the sun had been unlocked and it had all been done inside Nazi Germany. Well, at least he was in safe hands. What? Honestly, it was in safe hands because they fucked it all up. Yeah. Now, Otto Hahn had no love for the Nazis. So he leaked his findings to scientists outside of Nazi Germany saying, oh, fuck guys,

the Nazis. Yeah. I figured out how to do this. They're eventually going to have access to this knowledge. Do something. This is a real life horror movie. This is opening up the box and fucking hell razor. This shit is like, wow, this is all the opening. I imagine of this movie where you're just like, because it's so, especially in the book, The Bass and Brigade, it's all like these forces all running towards the center towards each other about to collide.

Now, Enrico Fermi immediately recognized that nuclear vision could be harnessed into a weapon, especially in the hands of a group as aggressive as the Nazis. Another scientist who realized this was a Jewish refugee from Hungary named Leo Siller. Siller knew that Fermi and Frederick Jolio had confirmed auto hands findings on nuclear vision and they plan to publish their finding. Stiller begged them not to.

Do not do it. And Fermi agreed by Jolio being stubborn in a way that only the French can be, he refused. He argued that if they did not publish, they would be big trings, very principles of free speech that Hitler was threatening to destroy. The French people in the road. When it's sometimes speech like that can be too free. You're talking about Willie Nilly speech. There's different. Basically, he was saying that if we don't do this thing that might help Hitler win in reality,

Hitler would win in principle. And really, which of those things is more important? You're going to win. You're going to win more important. This is French watches. Very important. What are we doing here? You know what it is, man?

You know what? Life ain't theoretical. Yeah. I mean, it is. No. Life is works. Not your precious words. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I. I mean it is. No life is works. Not your precious words

Philosopher life is some form of box of candies Different in its way and you know, it's really actually not even a great analogy. Candy is radio. And you're like, Oh, now I Some candies come for a come. Yeah, very good. And so where he's prior to 1939, no one had heard of nuclear aficion. Jolio made sure that the whole world knew of the existence of nuclear aficion, quite possibly the most destructive force known to mankind. Yeah, man. Just pull that string.

Yeah. Meanwhile, Otto Hahn was working from the inside doing his best to keep what little uranium Germany had out of Nazi hands. But that became a moot point when Germany gave access to the richest uranium mines in Europe. When they annexed Czechoslovakia, thank you, Neville. Thank you, Neville Chamberlain. Yeah, good. Yeah. God, Jesus Christ, you fuckers know nothing about history. I know. I just feel like you threw shade on a man that's been dead for 70 years.

Yeah, well, and it's because of they they signed the non aggression. He's in our time, my ass. They signed an on aggression pact and then they all were like, now Hitler, you promise you're not going to attack the rest of us. Yeah, I swear. And then they did not. So I do, I do know. Thank you, Neville. I know. I just the way you said it was like, he's not here.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you throw it in. Yeah, exactly. It feels like we're unlike a like an after Oppenheimer talk back. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no you the how of the process, it was possible to use this technology to make a devastating weapon that could destroy the world, a nuclear weapon. You can just hear the buttholes of every world leader get warmer and warmer, but someone's just developed a weapon that can handle the world. He also deduced that if he had come to the conclusion that such a thing could be constructed,

it was only a matter of time before the Nazis figured it out too, because remember, they still got Heisenberg. With this information at hand, Sylerd knew that he needed to tell somebody, but he needed some heavies on his side, someone who could both understand the concept and have enough social clout to get the information to the right people. So Sylerd set out for the magical land of Long Island. Hey, get the situation. We need him here immediately. That's where the most famous scientist in history, Albert Einstein was cool in his heels after he fled Germany years before. Is it fucking Long Island? Long Island. I wouldn't believe. Why not Long Island? It's a beautiful place. What was that story you were telling me about what happened when Sillard went to Long Island?

Oh, so at that time period, because my dad talked to him because my dad, this is when my dad was a kid in Staten Island. And he was like, it's all farmland. So you go a still farmland except for the major city parts. Long Island was like a farm town. And so these scientists, that's back in the day before you figure out also they're trying not to let everybody know that they've rushed from Europe to America to reach Albert Einstein to ask them these highly sensitive questions about nuclear weaponry. And so they get to Long Island, they show up and they're literally like, I don't know where the

fuck he is. So they got it from hungry. They just know that he's there. They don't have to do it. And they're like, well, okay, we're lost. We're here. There's some guy trying to sell me stromboli and he's also trying to detail my car. But I want to want to do what's your car? Are you asking? But then he's like, how the fuck did we figure out

where he is? They're like, well, Albert Einstein's the most fucking famous scientist in the world. We can just ask somebody. So they found Proto Little Dirt bags. Like little kids playing in the world, we can just ask somebody. So they found proto little dirt bags, like little kids playing in the street, just been like, hello children, doing Albert Einstein, do you know what Albert Einstein is? And like two little prototype long islanders going like, yeah, I know we're fucking Einstein is, I'm gonna get this white. And so they

literally they follow two kids, they go find Albert Einstein and then they've just found him just in the most scient, daffy scientist way where he showed up and he was like washing his pants. So he was in his underwear and his shirt like outside. We're like, I welcome. He honestly, he invented the most pinnacle long Island thing on the face of the planet, which is Washington stoop. Yeah. Literally just in a wife feeder, which was an old term that we used for an A

shirt. We call them A shirts now, right? I'm wearing one right now. I wear one every day of my life. I've been wearing one and calling them at a wife lover. There you go. We're real nice. Well, when Sylett showed up and these other scientists, they showed, like Sylote showed up, he explained how a nuclear reactor could be made. And Einstein said something along the lines are like, oh, man, I never fucking thought of that. Oh, yeah, damn it. Yeah. Literally, because you couldn't, because again, positive aspects, theoretical aspects too.

And it's kind of still building on Einstein's work. It's just kind of excited about these concepts now, because it's interesting. Imagine if we found out that, you know, not to me anything, some people might say that true crime comedy podcasting was one of the most devastating forces in the face of the planet. And if you told us that now, you know, like, you know, it's about to destroy the whole thing. And we're like, I just wanted to do a show that we didn't have to pitch to somebody. Right. Just to show that we could do on our own. Yeah. Yeah. And so Einstein, Sillard and a handful of other scientists sent a letter to present Franklin Delano Roosevelt in an effort to convince him to immediately start a massive nuclear

research program to develop an atomic bomb before the Nazis could do so. And it was soon as FDR read that he jumped over his desk. Yeah, he ran down the hallway. He got in his little vulnerability chair and rolled out to let everybody know what was going on. You think it's fake? You thought it was fake. You don't think he's in a wheelchair. And it's not the only conspiracy theory I might believe.

That was like, doesn't make sense. That's my main one. He's thinking it didn't help him. Yeah, he didn't know they had to hide that he was in a sense. That's my main one. He didn't help him. Yeah, he didn't know they had to hide that he was in a wheelchair. Yeah, all the time. Yeah, all the time. I don't think Americans don't need, we don't like that in our leaders. Yeah, no, this could ever be shown.

I feel like it might, I don't know, I think that might be right here. I do think you may have stabbed a pencil into his leg and not felt it. Yeah, yeah. Now, either these scientists were actively lying to themselves about what they knew about human nature or they were showing just how little they understood people, but they reasoned that the creation of the atomic bomb would actually accomplish world peace. Sure. But in some ways it did.

Yeah, I mean, they had the theory of mutually assured destruction. They figured that once countries have possessed atomic bombs, then they would have to be a higher authority established to keep countries from using them because we'd all blow up the entire world if nuclear war were to occur. And nobody was crazy enough to do that. Nobody is crazy enough to use an atomic bomb. But if you look at like Indian Pakistan, totally worked. They haven't killed each other yet because they both got the bomb. But if you look at like Indian Pakistan totally worked, they haven't killed each other yet, because they both got the bomb. The Russians, the US, the Russians in the US, we would have had a land war without a doubt during the cold war. Yeah, we would have

won. Maybe they still go in the winter. Yeah, they're very, very tough, but they were also decimated. They were decimated by the end of World War II. And they, yeah, they had a real good chance of catching with their pants down. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, technically, this is four steps away from me, saying we need to arm teachers, but there is some truth to the idea of if everyone is a hardwood deadly force, then no one, then can be a sure. I feel like it is a philosophical point that one can argue, but we find, I mean, so mostly we just chose it. You how many wars can be fought by proxy and in a cold fashion, you can get real creative. Yeah, that's the thing Vietnam still happened. Korea still happened. But we're doing it right now. We're fighting, we're fighting Russia in a land war in Ukraine right now. Both Afghanistan

still happened. And that's worse. It could have been worse because we might not have gotten all that great music. But actually, you know, again, going back to my earlier thing, we probably would have just used it during Vietnam. Well, that's the thing is that we will get in a later about how the spies that were within the Manhattan Project actually prevented America from using nuclear weapons in Korea.

You're just so excited. You're really jazzed about. It's like when I get a new pair of shoes, I wanna wear them immediately. You just wanna wear them on the rainiest, muddiest day possible and ruin them immediately. Well, and the thing is that these guys did sort of pre, you know, they did sort of, you know,

foresee like the UN, you know, which was there to, you know, foresee like the UN, you know, which was there to, you know, all of this shit, we need a lot of new rules. But the problem was that they thought that if nuclear war was abolished, because they thought that they would be this thing, you know, this big, you know, this gigantic organization that was going to abolish nuclear war because everybody had nuclear weapons, then all war would be abolished. They would never be a war again. Little do they know biological warfare is so fun.

Never go to war again. Never go to war again. Come on guys, the war is pretty nice, right? Yeah, there's a lot of ways we can kill people, dude. War is really good. But that's the thing is that they thought that they were harbours of peace. They thought that by creating the nuclear war, it would usher in the age of science. And that's the thing.

Sadly, this is the exact same thought Alfred Nobel had when he invented dynamite. It was not on my thought. That's exact same thing. It's almost like they didn't learn the lesson. It didn't even finish my rush. It's also the same argument that was made by the tech utopians of the 90s who created the second most dangerous weapon born in the 20th century. The internet. Yeah. I think you're going to say the hot pocket. I didn't say just it's just a weapon at dinner time.

Yeah, that's very true. But no, but no matter how naive these physicists were, the creation of the nuclear program started sounding pretty damn good to FDR as summer turned to fall in 1939. Yes, you just see FDR like Martin Short in a rested development. We're just like, pick my legs up on the desk. I got something to say. Yeah, I feel like I would drag it. Gosh, me. Gosh, me.

Ha. Well, in September of 1939, Hitler kicked off World War II. He invaded Poland and he was soon giving speeches saying that the Nazis would soon have access to a weapon that no country could defend against. What's that day like? We're just like, oh my God. Like the night before. Oh, yeah.

Like, what is Hitler like? Is it like glee? Is it Christmas? Is it too much fear? Is it like, let's do a bunch of drugs? It's a lot of rock and back and forth because he was on a lot of math. He was a weirdo too and they think, you know, he was, he was pretty weird. Yeah, that's the worst you can't.

We're at least a little bit of a weirdo. Well, with these speeches, the allies assumed that Hitler was talking about the atomic bomb. And as it turned out, the assumptions were correct. Oh, two weeks after the invasion of Poland, Hayler summoned a handful of German physicists to a secret conference in Berlin. There, they were given the task of developing an atomic bomb with a third Reich, and they dubbed this group, they gave it

the goofiest fucking name in the world. They called it the uranium club. Yeah, sounds like they opened up for Durand, Durand. And it ate us. Sounds like a shitty after school science fair. It really, it's like it sounds like the place where kids who get bullied a lot just have to go for an hour after school for the bullies to leave. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a hiding place.

But Werner Heisenberg also, these guys all got the ability to not go to the war. Yeah. So Hitler had given, like, I think it was like a small amount of passes. Like 400 passes. They could have just, they could have just, they could have just faked Bones first. But no, you only, but is very interesting. It was actors, singers, artists. That's who he, people he handpicked, people he liked. Yeah. Including a couple of Jewish people because that is he decided was the thing he can pick and choose who he wants.

And then a lot of these scientists, other ones, they had to go fight. They literally had to go get guns and they are drafted and forced to go. These group, this group though, which is also very appealing to Heisenberg because one of his biggest fears during this whole time was, please don't send me to war. Yeah. Please don't send me to war. That's rational. Oh yeah, because he was, he didn't want to go, but honestly, technically at the time,

it makes you a pussy. Now I understand it, but it during World War II, it made you a pussy. Well, I would, I'll take the term for it. I'll, call me a pussy. You go right ahead and you call me a pussy and I'll call you a corpse in five years and move on. Also, have you ever heard of stolen valor? I'll just pretend I was there.

That's incredible. Now, even though Werner Heisenberg was naturally a member of the Uranium Club, Germany had experienced a serious brain drain since the Nazis had come into power in 1933. It had only gotten worse. The scientists left behind were, therefore, not the brightest bulbs on the tree. And Heisenberg himself had his own problems because he completely lacked a moral compass amongst many other personal failings. Well, you also showed up and he was, he's used to being the smartest guy in the room, being the number one guy. Everybody's literally trying to suck his dick. But then like the guy that's his boss on the Uranian club is this like Nazi flunky. This guy that they all made

fun of. This guy that they would made fun of this guy that they would joke about how like his hair was always messy and his lab coat was always fucked up. And he just was this like weird, nebish piece of shit that would, but he was an ardent Nazi. And again, it was trying to cut all of the quote unquote Jewish science out of it, which meant the correct stuff. It's like how you fail up at news core, the paracompany of Fox. You just say, yeah, you just, you basically hate your way to the top. Yeah, absolutely. But nevertheless, even with all that, the uranium club still came far too close to delivering an atomic bomb

to Nazi Germany. It's close. Now, in order to build an atomic bomb, one needs enriched uranium. Which is the time I bring uranium to my various pottery classes and we got that we talked a lot about history enriching it culturally. Is what you were talking about? That is so well, you know what? You know what? You know what? That's okay though.

Because the arts, much like science, it's about failure. Subjective. And the science is not really that subjective, but art is my work. But yeah, it's about failure and then life is work. Yeah, time is not really that subjective, but art is my way of failure. And then life is work. Yeah, life is work. And yes, well, that became the uranium clubs first task. Okay.

Briefly put, naturally occurring radiation is no good for the chain reactions needed to make vision. That's uranium 238. Uranium 238, that's naturally occurring. What the uranium club needed was uranium 235, which had to be separated from U238 in a process called enriching that I can't explain to you. Fantastic. You go and you take them to a peening class. You take them to a natural exchange. And opera for us. Something. The next step for the Uranium Club, however, would be the science experiment that, unknowingly,

decided the fate of the entire world. Uh-oh. The Germans needed to build a nuclear reactor, which was the next step in understanding how to actually make an atomic bomb go boom. Now by this point, Heisenberg could fully put away any trepidations he might have had towards the Nazis, and for him, the Uranium Club became a chance to prove himself to the same Nazis who had admonished him for using, quote, unquote, ju physics. In other words, Heisenberg was developing the atomic bomb for the Nazis out of nothing

more than personal pride. Well, the thing is, he swashed because actually a boot is symbol of not giving a fuck. So I've decided not to give a fuck. No, he was a real, he was real prick. He definitely wanted to be the guy that invented the atomic bomb. And he would be whoever was, whoever's team he was on, he wanted to be that guy. But he also was like trying to kind of figure out where does he fit within the ecosystem of the scientific world.

Yeah. Well, within Nazi Germany, his ego was in real time. He was like, this is going to be huge. For me, this is going to be historic. This is going to be for me. Yes. Basically, he wanted to be Einstein. Well, you also, Einstein became absolutely. He also kind of had this concept up because he was quote unquote, it's not so much pro non-team pro Germany because he was like the problem is if somebody else uses the atomic bomb, they're going to use it on us. Yeah.

Yeah. He didn't want it to be used on Germany. Right. But the thing is that like, he radically again, it wasn't. Yeah. He got me. Right. But the thing is that like, he panically, again, it wasn't, they got me real close. The thing was, even though he's not Einstein, he's still fucking Heisenberg. He's still one of the most brilliant men of the 20th century. Barry Famous Nobel Prize winning, known around the world.

Oh, you guys seem to really have his accolades right on the top of your heads. I mean, hey, man, it is just the truth. But the thing at the point is, is that that wasn't enough for him. He wanted to be seen as a guy who could do work on solid, practical things. He, a guy who could build things, who can make things, move out of the theoretical into the practical.

And he had absolutely no hesitation handing over the most powerful weapon to ever exist to the most evil people to ever exist if that proved that he could do some joint. There's some people that are more evil than that. Like the people who sit in the center seat and an airplane road take both of the fucking armhand. Yeah. That's really rude of them. That's really that.

Technically, I would actually argue that's theirs because you have the aisle and the way. Leave it. I actually don't know what that's actually a fine. That's that is actually a construct of the airlines continuing to make the seats smaller having us fight for less and less land and charging us more. So there's a lot of anxiety, a lot of anger and a lot of rage. I'm actually with Ben on this.

Yeah, because the center seat, if they don't take both of the arms, which you go, what do they take? I find it interesting that a simple throwaway common for me does generate conversation Are you are you in your trailer enriching us? It's a chain reaction marks parks 41 That's me enriching you with me originally. Oh, yes, Mark is parks 32 41 okay soon to be actually yeah really as it was put in the book, the making of the atomic bomb, Heisenberg saw physics as blood sport.

And he brought this attitude to everything in life. You did not want to play this guy in ping pong. They said, yeah, he was miserable as fuck. Yeah. Now, by December of 1939, just three months after he was put on the project, and this speaks to the speed in which this shit happened. It seemed as if Heisenberg was on the project. And this speaks to the speed in which this shit happened.

It seemed as if Heisenberg was on the fast track towards an atomic weapon. So he opened a test chamber for nuclear reactors in a small lab in Berlin, codenamed DOS Vittenhouse. What that mean? The virus house. Yes, nobody would go near it. Yeah, that makes sense.

However, it's at this point that both the brain drain and Heisenberg's own blind spots started to show. A scientist named Walter Botha was put to the task of creating fissionable material. This was the same experiment Leon Siller had done with graphite and uranium, the one that had set off so many alarm bells. But the thing was, was that Walter Botha wasn't as smart as Leon Siller. Uh-oh. He did the same experiment with graphite and uranium, but when Walter Boahtha did it, it

didn't work, because the graphite Boahtha was using wasn't pure enough, and he didn't think to check if it was. But he didn't even think that maybe it's not pure enough. It's very, it's kind of interesting, because there's some happenstance here, because about the graphite that they mined out of Germany had too much boron in it natural. And that's what caused the issues with it. While the graphite that we mined in America when we were working on the Manhattan Project naturally had less boron in it, they made it already workable. Like it made it already kind of workable. And checkless of Achaia too, right? That's the

German uranium. But the stuff in here, so now you start to kind of there's a conspiracy theory about Werner Heisenberg Because they're saying now like after this fact everyone's saying like, but actually Werner knew secretly the Nazis would So what he was gonna do was sabotage the bomb But what they point to my grandfather did is absolutely not. It makes sense. It makes it. It's not just it clears. But what they point towards my grandfather did. Honestly, that would be incredible. I would love to reveal that. The Nazis would have lost without my grandfather.

They all have had a good. All they need is the proper lazy German to find what's slower the machine. I think we'll very handsome, very hard working. But, so Werner Heisenberg, I called it, because at some point, they're asked about budgets, right? They want to come in, they want to ask me, I'm like, okay, how much money it's going to cost?

We need the atomic bomb. We need it right now. We want a killing blow. We want this shit right now. We want to take over Europe. We want to hold the world hostage. Right. Werner, her, her, Heisenberg purposely lowballed the project

because he said, actually, it was only take about a couple hundred thousand dollars, which is why they're saying that he purposely sabotaged the program because he knew, truly knew that to make what he thought, according to his calculations, to make the amount of enriched uranium that you would need to, would not only be impossible within the decade, but it would cost a trillion dollars. So he basically said all of this shit because he made massive mistake because he thought it would take something like hundreds, hundreds of pounds of uranium to make it explode.

But in America, we realized it actually is a smaller amount. We'll get into all those details later. But Werner Heisenberg, like, said all of this shit, they gave him this lower budget, but the reason why he did it, but the reason why he did it, truly the reason why he did it. And as again, my full, I was watching a couple documentaries on this, so I'm stealing this point of view, which is the concept that he knew that if you give me a million dollars and Nazi money, and I don't make the atomic bomb.

And right now you guys are looking on the fast track to win. And then the Nazis win. And I haven't done this job. You've given me all this money and I fail. I'm going to a concentration camp. And so you like he was betting. He was still betting on Nazis winning, but he thought we'd win the old fashioned way, which is blown up with rockets.

And now he gets to do his fun little research on the side being funded like in this project that's not going to go. So less money, less responsibility, less his head is cut off if he doesn't do well. Yes. But I also think there's an element of ego there as well. How much more impressive would it be if you would have done it on such a small budget? I think he did in some part, a some part of him did believe that he could still do it despite the budgetary constraints.

I see. A lot of money needed to be spread around. But then you look at what the Americans spent on it, two billion dollars, and we were already correct on the math that they were incorrect on. So it's nice when you don't have to fight a landlord. Yeah. When, nevertheless, Walter Botha came to the conclusion

that graphite couldn't be used to enrich uranium when, in fact, the exact opposite is true. As a result, the Nazis headed off in an entirely different direction, researching an entirely different and far slower method. The entirety of modern history hinges upon this blunder because had the Nazis not changed their research focus, if they would have kept it up and told they enriched

that fucking uranium with graphite, it is entirely possible that Hitler would have obtained an atomic weapon while America was still trying to figure out how to get past Nazi forces in North Africa. So this is the donor party deciding to go. Yes. This is them be like, I have a fucking storm. Maybe it'll even suck up another cup of these. This is them taking the hasting short time.

Right. And the later on, the hour short mission, right, the group that would go to try to stop the Nazi atomic program. They open up for Abba. But honestly, they're a badass group. Moberg, both a, you was a catcher for the Yankees and an American spy. Is that right? Oh, yeah. This guy is one of the great characters of American history. Joe Kennedy, Jr. I believe was there. There's a couple of guys. They're very interesting group of Ragtag adventures with no experience that America was willing to write off. When to go to like literally go suicide squad. I do. I cannot believe this is not a movie. It is. It is. It's it. Yeah. It's a bad Paul. That was made of Paul. The catcher. The

catcher was a spy. It got a bad movie. He does count. Yeah. They have Paul Rudd playing Moberg. Moberg. This is recent. Yeah. I mean, it's like 10 years ago. Paul Rudd. It's like 2011. No, it's like the evil baby from the Simpson.

They never cast these historical figures. Right. They never do because they don't want ugly people. Yeah. They're all ugly. Ugly people created history. And they're most successful people in the world. Right?

Well, to that point, as they're all right. When the Al Shoshman said when they go looking for this shit, they said the one of the first things that when they got to them, they finally found Werner Heisenberg's like famous nuclear reactor that was going to be, they thought was going to be this crazy underground cavern because they've seen these Nazi buildouts. The Nazi buildouts were huge, you know? And then all said,

there's a whole fucking TV show show called Nazi mega weapons. Yeah, it's crazy, but they went to go down, you know, it's like a basement room. And they're like the entire nuclear program for the fucking the Nazis was like two rooms. You went and it was just like, oh wow, you guys really low balls.

Like when we, it's like when we got to two or son records, that's it. Yeah, it's like two rooms. He went and he was just like, oh, wow, you guys really low balls. It's like what we, it's like when we got to two or son records. That's it. Yeah, it's like two rooms. Do things. It's very small. But to the point of timeline, as the Germans came relative inches from discovering the secrets of atomic weaponry, America was barely getting started. Finally, the letter begging FDR to start an atomic weapons program was delivered along with the presentation that somewhat soft of the atomic weapons point. Mr. President, we have a huge, huge memo coming in. You're going to want to stand up for this. Oh, God damn it, I'm sorry.

But I got any jumps up. I'm like, whoa, crazy. You crazy, man. You crazy. We got that piece of shit. Well, the scientist char, yeah, you got that piece of shit that took us through the fucking depression in the World War II. You got him.

You got him. All you know is that this series is going to be longer than FDR's entire presidency. Yes, indeed. It's 12 years. He was the only one to do. Well, after him, they were like, we got to stop that from happening again. I don't know what he was good at. He was really good at it.

I guess he only want to take it. He also give it. Well, the scientists charged with convincing the president said that developing weapons would be the third use of atomic research. First we're going to use it to produce power, then we're going to use it for medical. Sure. Then we're going to make a bomb, but all FDR heard was the words Nazi blow up and unbeatable weapon. I think those were the important words at that point in time. Yeah. But since this was still a project that was going through government channels, FDR gave the go ahead

to start a commission that could look into the possibility of starting a program that might lead to research on ways in which an atomic bomb program could be started. I am a sleepmate. This is what makes your eyes bleed. But nevertheless, this was still the genesis of what will become the Manhattan Project. Okay. And if you're questioning the urgency here, bear in mind that this was two years before Pearl Harbor.

This is two years before we even got involved in the war. And we wanted nothing to do with it at the time. Well, FDR, yes, he did. And a lot of he knew because he understood he understood. But before we allowed Pearl Harbor to have before we got to know, I'm going to be allowed to know before it. If they didn't did fuck us. We still watch F your high new couple of lays in his desk. We knew so people wouldn't know.

Like the boy off his mind. Yeah. Like the point of his man. Oh, okay. Now, after the Nazis had fucked up to such an incredible degree when it came to using graphite to enrich uranium, they decided to switch their focus on nuclear weaponry to something called heavy water. Basically heavy water is exactly what it sounds like. It's water, but it's heavy.

It's heavy water. It's dense, dense water, it's dense water. And what do I have to do thing? What? They put water in your water so you can wet your water while you water. Yeah. So in World of War II, the stuff was considered to be eerie, almost unnatural. It freaked Winston Churchill out for some reason.

He would even say heavy water. He called it the juice. Yeah, dude. It's scary. It's just water out for some reason. He would even say heavy water. He called it the juice. Yeah, dude. It's so much scarier. It's just water that's like weird. Yeah. It must be uncomfortable. I'm happy that that's what freaked Winston Churchill out. Yeah. Not everything else he did. But really though, all you need to know is that bombarding an element with heavy water intensifies nuclear chain reactions. So it's therefore possible to use heavy water to enrich uranium. This, as I've mentioned, is necessary for creating a working atomic bomb.

Now, heavy water is rare. It does not exist naturally. And in 1940, there was only one plant in the world that made it. That was Norse hydro in Norway, which at that time was the largest hydro electric plant in the world. Now, the market for heavy water was still small in the 1930s. The North's hydro plant only sold 88 pounds between 1934 and 1938. But in 1940, the Nazis very suspiciously ordered several hundred pounds with a request for a further 220 pounds per month after that.

Wow. If they knew that it was only used for nuclear experimentation, they knew that that's what it was for. So when they started doing it, because they're Norway, and I mean, again, it's nice when it's not just capitalism, when they can just, they can really be like, oh, I don't know if we should sell all this to the Nazis. Yeah. And also a little isolated in their own way.

I mean, they're also right next to them. Yeah. Yeah. And also a little isolated in their own way. I mean, they're also right next to them. Yeah. I mean, the North Kajara they asked the Nazis like, Hey, why you want all this? The Nazis like, Oh, you know, well, what if we say, okay, all right. I want to help to explain. So heavy vaults are right. I want to make it super thick. Yeah, we're trying to make super heavy. Heavy suit. Good, good. Yeah. No problem. I'm trying to make some crazy heavy swoop. Yeah. Heavy tomato soup. Yeah. no problem. I'm trying to make some crazy heavy slew. Heavy tomato soup. Yeah, super fun. Heavy. You've been a soldier is hard man. I love this really heavy

tomato soup. It really does build up against winter months. It's so cold. It's into for lines. When we just drive to the assumed they're up to no good. You said, no, we're not going to sell it to you. And back on the allied side, physicist Fredrick Jolio knew that heavy water could be used in the application of nuclear fission. So allied forces spent 36 million francs, or at least they offered 36 million francs to buy out every bit of heavy water to keep it out of Nazi hands.

But in the spirit of fuck the Nazis, Norse Hydro offered to hand over all their heavy water for free, just so long as someone else figured out how to get it the fuck out of there. Oh, yeah, because now the Nazis are coming for it. Yeah. Right. So they were like, they wanted to save their own ass for it. Oh, yeah. Right from North Korea.

Now it's spy time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So to spy time. Yeah. So to smuggle the. I lost my time. So to smuggle the heavy water to the allies, a French intelligent officer named Jacques Allier

came up with a plan. We find a big butt. Yes. We shoot the water up the pie. I don't know. I'm bad. That to be. It's a heavy animal.

Well, first he had two custom built suitcases made, one for transporting the heavy water and one meant to act as a dummy. Then he recruited a second spy and bought two plane tickets from Oslo Airport, one going to Scotland and another going to Amsterdam. And crucially, these flights were scheduled to leave on the same day at the same time. And this before 9-11. So you could just drive to the plane. Yeah. Now the Nazis are not fully invaded Norway just yet, but they still had considerable power.

So their intelligence, probably leaked by agent Aria himself, told them that the heavy water was going to be on this flight to Amsterdam. This, of course, wasn't the heavy water's destination. No, I'm having water. I don't even like to smoke weed. I would love to go to America. I don't think I could hamburger or something. I love heavy. I've been heavy water isn't so bad. You should just make heavy cock. That is that was the heavy cock water. The water's of Rudolph Christie. Chris Christie's great grandpa. Yeah, yeah, heavy water. Well, agent, Jesus Christ, you made me lose my spot. No, Amsterdam was of course not its destination.

So agent LA and his fellow spy paid a guy at the Oslo airport to cause a scene by demanding to be let. Yeah. Yeah, they had a guy go. Hey, guys. I don't know which one guys, I just want it. I better be on that plane. If we get Marcus office meds for 10 days, perfect, you go absolutely nuts.

I'll shit all over the place. Yeah, man. We can't. We can. But that's the thing is that this guy was paid to complete to go in and cause a scene to let him on the plane. He was supposed to show up to his flight late and say, like, let me on the runway, let me on the runway because they're gonna let you on the runway after the, it's already left the gate, but he was there

to argue to let me on the runway. I got to get on this flight. That's awesome. And he, of course, it eventually turned into a physical altercation. The most important pain in the ass in history. Wow. What a, what a job. Yeah. And during the commotion, Alie and the other spy surreptitiously switched their luggage from the flight to Amsterdam to the flight to Scotland. Cool. Then they got on the Scotland flight. While the Nazis were intercepting the Amsterdam flight mid air to divert it to Humber. That dude's scary as fuck. They

were set off fighter jets. I mean, literally found the flight midair grounded it and then took everybody out like very, very fucking scary. Agent Alie and the others by were telling the pilot of the Scotland flight that they were with the allies and they needed to get to Scotland as soon as possible to outrun the Loot Vafa who were no doubt soon on their tail. That must be so much fun to tell a commercial pilot follow that cloud. I think he followed that cloud. I think it's fun for us.

I think it must, I would have, it was been scary. Oh, yeah. Absolutely terrible. Yeah. Thankfully, Agent Alie made it to Scotland and took the heavy water from Edinburgh to France while the Nazis were left stampings at Fieten Hamburg. I can't, I can't. You can see them. Yeah, but

they're a national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national national Yes, indeed. Well, you can use that to make your Hitler as long as you shit on it. Mm-hmm. Oh, the gravel. The gravel and shit. The Hitler diet. Just a month later, Germany invaded Norway. And although the Norwegian resistance was among the fiercester World War II legendary, the Nazis nevertheless quickly seized the Norse Hydro plant, meaning they were now in control of the only heavy-water production facility in the world. That's a big get.

We got to figure out how to do it because all what's interesting. I did not know too is that there is a way to make heavy water inactive. It's like a, you basically is dump a juice into the other juice. You put cadmium. Yeah. I know. I'm a co-c in there. You know, cadmium or castroil is something that you mux it on.

I think you're shaming a whole bunch called all fat. Yeah. What are you doing? You dumb. Yeah, you can't even, you must not be healthy. You're never going to be a comedic actress or a singer in America unless you lose some weight, heavy water. It's really sad because I feel like that heavy water needs to be built up.

I agree. Yeah. How else are we going to enrich the uranium? Indeed. But of course, I mean, heavy water also needs to be learned as well. If it gets too big, it's going to start sneaking snacks after midnight and I have a heart attack.

Mm-hmm. Now, the heavy water. Life is works. Not works. Now, the heavy water smuggled on the Scotland flight had made its way to the top French nuclear experts, Frederick and Irene Gioleau-Curie. And since the Nazis now held Norse chidro, the smuggled heavy water was now even more valuable. They're not getting any more of it.

After receiving the heavy water, Frederick and Irene in turn arranged for it to be hidden in a bank vault, 250 miles south of Paris. But after only five days, the bank manager freaked out and made them move it somewhere else. You think this fed people what there? And you put it someplace there. And at this point, this is France and Britain working together.

That's the allies right now. And they're like, okay, we gotta start, we gotta get this heavy water somewhere. It's gotta be moving. It has to be moving, because also the Nazis are coming straight for France. Yeah, we gotta get this fucking heavy water and we gotta start making a fucking nuclear program now.

And so after the bank manager kicked it out, it was placed in a women's prison. And after that, it was taken to a maximum security prison where it was stored in a death row cell. And there in the death row cell, Frederick and Irene Jolio Curie plan to set up a laboratory to conduct heavy water experiments. Isn't that a bit ironic? It's more appropriate if they were to say, set up a heavy water experiment. They're like, so if they were to set up a heavy

water, you're correcting me on that. It's an indictment on you. No, it's not. It is because sometimes just allow things to go. Almost like heavy water off a duck's back or an asshole. You were poison it. No, because I missed the Chicago Rippers. Remember that? See, if they were to say set up the heavy water laboratory in a maternity ward, then that would be ironic.

It's gonna lead to a lot of death. Yeah, that's what I heard. You know, you know what I heard? I know you'd be ironic. You're actually wrong. You a lot of death. Yeah, that's what I heard. You know, you know what I heard? Yeah, I know. No, you'd be ironic. You're actually wrong. You're actually wrong. You take heavy water experiences and you do experiments and you do it on an air hot

air balloon. That's ironic. No. Because it's hot, light, air. No, because with the maternity ward, they would be creating an instrument of death in place of life. I don't want this to be any idea how many babies die in maternity ward. I'm not letting us go back to the script. No, we're not.

But it's fate would have it. It became clear by mid-June of 1940 that Hitler's meth-field blitzkrieg was going to make short work of the French army. So the heavy water had to be moved to England to take on this most dangerous task of transporting top secret materials across a body of water filled with German U-boats that British called upon a Scottish coal steamer called the broom park. Now you were going to say DORF. That's my DORF on heavy water. The roast that that heavy water must have gotten from the other water. You know how people are.

I know. You know, it's like we make fun of each other a lot, but we're like friends, but so thin water is like, hey, heavy water, you know, it's like we make fun of each other a lot but we're like friends But so thin water is like hey heavy water, you know, you join the ride Actually would think the light water actually would ride on heavy water. Mm-hmm. Yes Well this ship the broom park was captain by the 20th Earl of Suffolk a man named Charles Mad Jack Howard Who is basically a rich British captain Ross? It's crazy. You know the 14th Earl of where? The 20th Earl of Suffolk.

You know the 14th Earl of Suffolk, yeah, yeah, I'm not him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the crazy characters that are all within the beginnings of the OSS as well. Yeah. Because it's like, these are all guides. Like we're going to, this is all during the Baster Brigade time period where

everyone's running back forth. And you needed these crazy people to make these decisions. They were deeply against their will be. No, you had to have crazy, you had to have civilians with balls of steel to tell the shit off. Like that's, and that was, that was one of the strengths of, you know, the allies of the British, of the Americans. It was like using a radic people to get shit done because nobody could predict what they would do. Oh, yeah. So little known fact balls of steel, another side effect of radium poisoning.

Oh, very much. They become almost like stones. Uh-huh. Well, when the laboratory assistants transporting the heavy water showed up to Mad Jack's boat, they found him strewn out on the deck shirtless, showing off his tattoos to two ladies while making jokes in a faux French accent. It's not called not Mad Max boat. But I love the fact that he's this maniac.

Yeah, it's all the man. He's like, oh, huh, do you get my tattoo? And you're like, this is the man that is going to get this, the most important material currently in the world out of war. It's Mad Jack. It's Mad Jack. Yeah. I mean, this is what Mad Jack does.

Yeah, Mad Jack Howard totally makes sense. Furthermore, the crew of the broom park was massively hungover. And despite the obvious urgency of the mission, they refused to set sail until they recovered. Yeah, first grade. Go and got a 15 bake in the next. Exactly. That's the best. But eventually they set sail carrying not just the heavy water, but two crates of diamonds valued at $300 million

in modern currency. This is all shit that have been smuggled out of Amsterdam. They're just trying to get everything out of Europe they can because the Nazis are common. They know that nobody can stop them. So let's get as much out as we can. Gotcha. It took the broom park three harrowing days to make it to the coast of England, but Mad

Jack kept us cool the whole time. And reportedly, once they got to England safe, he laughed, slapped one of the laboratory assistance on the back and said, man, we had a 50, 50 shot of making that one. I love that. You're more likely to die on the way to the airport. I love him. He's the equivalent of the most insane, uber driver. You've ever had in your life. He's trapped in Ron. Yeah, I love him. Magic gets it done. He gets it done. Now, safe in England, the heavy water was there after transported to a prison called Wormwood Scrubs. Oh, God. I want to go there. I think I think Wormwood Scrubs, I think

it does have a weird history all on its own. It sounds familiar, but after that it was delivered to Windsor Castle for use in any future allied atomic bomb project, which was still at this point all but nonexistent because Hitler had put the entirety of Europe on its heels. Matt Jack meanwhile, unfortunately did not survive the war. diabetes. Oh no, he died being mad. He blew himself up while trying to diffuse an unexploded German bomb. He's funny Apparently was a real like pastime among thrill seekers in in that during a time period where they go and they find minds and try to like it's not mines bomb bombs and it like does that would land from the sky.

What a time. Now the Nazis soon marched into Paris. They took France and when Frederick Joliot returned to his laboratory in the city of lights, he found two members of the uranium club there waiting for him. No doubt flanked by two ranking SS officers saying how Jolio must sink himself very clever indeed. How was your boat trip to Amsterdam? I hate a condescending Nazi.

The reason why the Nazis were there was because they didn't have access to a machine called a cyclotron, which was a necessary component in the study of nuclear reactions. Jolio had a cyclotron. He'd built one, a working one. Okay. So the uranium club basically said, sorry, but this is Oz now. So we'll take a spin and machine. We'll do it. We did with it. We'll spin it.

We will shoot the part of the road. But if, first, and they were like, they were going to disassemble it. Yeah. And bring it back to Germany. Yeah. But then they're like, oh were gonna disassemble it. Yeah, and bring it back to Germany. Yeah. But then they're like,

spinning is already happening. Right. And it's local. And I prefer to be a local. I like a local spit. Kind of artisanal. Yeah. Julio, meanwhile, not only allowed them to do so,

but he agreed to help them, which got him branded a traitor by the French. But unlike many who made this claim later, like Heisenberg, Jolio really was staying behind to gum up the works. Double agent. He as well as his assistants were essential to the effort that stole the Nazi atomic program through active sabotage.

He really was, he was the real deal. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because he learned a lot from his wife and from his mother-in-law. Yeah. They were both hard bitches. Like Marie Curie was a fucking hard woman. And she was hard on her daughter.

Like her daughter was not, did not pass muster with her very often. But she went and she, it was crazy. Yeah. Because Irene Curie got famous for bringing X-ray machines the same what her mother did during World War II. Eventually, Julio would become a valuable member of the French resistance, which also does Mr. Bringing X ray machines at the same what are what are mother dead during World War two. Eventually, Julio would become a valuable member of the French resistance, which also does not get enough credit for being fucking incredible.

Yeah, we should. That's all episode zero. You know, World War two, we could just spend something about it. Something about it. It's not going on. Yeah. Of course, there was like, you know, the Vichy government, but the French resistance was fucking incredible.

I mean, Julio, him just himself, he staged fake car accidents to help people escape Nazi-occupied France. He arranged fake ID cards to help French Jews to safety. He smuggled weapons. He organized raids. He personally murdered traders and Nazi double agents. Yeah, man, this is a side to his God,

it's fucking hands dirty. It sounds to me like he's committing some illegal activities How you seem to praise what appears to be a villain. Oh God Wow, it's great. His grandfather's coming through It's finally happening But back in England the allies were trying to figure out what they should be doing with all this heavy water. They'd gotten a hold of it. Tell you what, taste real funny.

I would imagine that. What would it just taste like? I wouldn't imagine it tastes the same. I don't think you're supposed to be drinking. I can't imagine. I wonder if you can drink heavy water. I'll figure it out later. Yeah. No, first, the allies thought about just kidnapping for an or highson bird. They could kidnap him. He could just tell him what's going on. That would be my idea. Drinking every water and small kind of,

quants Jesus at harm, but drinking in larger quantities for Ken caused hisiness and low blood pressure. Okay, well this might be good to lower than. Maybe that's what I'm on. Yeah. But since the Nazis were at that moment at the height of their power in Europe, the idea

of kidnapping scientists was tabled for later. It happened. It just happened later. Yeah, because that's told everybody, I'll bark them, and I'll bag them, but kidnapped them. It's a lot like that. Yeah. But in the meantime, the Allies figured that if they couldn't figure out what to do with

the heavy water, then they could at least make sure that the Germans didn't have any more access to it. Therefore, the British formulated a plan called Operation Freshman to blow up the Norse Hydro plant. Yeah. And then follow right before there was Operation Verve pipe. That was very devastating to all of the students. They couldn't believe what they saw. That's the first year.

Man, that song freshman came on the radio the other day and it just makes me feel not good. No, because it came out when I was a freshman in high school and I was like, this one's about me, but then I, no, it's about seeing a murder or sucks. Yeah, that thing. It's a very, yeah, I think it's like whatever. I'm sorry. I brought this in. That was a girl who died in a car accident or something. Something like that. Do you have a murder? Let's just get rid of all the classes anyway. You know, first year, why don't we just call them first years?

So they do in Hogwarts? That's what they do. I know. This plan put together before America entered the war was formulated by the special operations executive, which was cheekily referred to by the British as the Ministry of Unjuntalmanly Warfare. Whatever.

Is that a movie series? No. The Ministry for First Contact of the Plants had engineered. He'd been covertly sabotaging the plant by pouring caster oil into the production lines. This however was only a short term solution because the Nazis in control were going to eventually figure out that someone was sabotaging the process from the inside. And again, you don't wanna double trick them. Now, because you go to a concentration.

Oh, you even make it that far. Yeah, you just get shot in the head most times. So the British planned a secret mission called Operation Freshman in order to break in and blow up the filtration cells that produced heavy water. They didn't have to blow up the whole plant. They just needed to blow up the machine. A lot easier.

Wow, this is like the end of the the Christopher Nolan first Batman. Oh, yes. No, yes. The plan was to air drop 30 British commandos into Norway. Then once they landed, the commandos would break into the plant and blow up the filtration cells before the Nazis knew what hit them. Cool. I hope they get him parachutes.

It was a massive and deadly failure. Good job. Total failure on all fronts. First of all, the soldiers were dropped into Norway not by parachute, but on ill-conceived contraptions called gliders. Why don't we just use the parachutes? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not a proven that one that we've used for thousands, maybe thousands, I don't know how long parachutes might. My wife's brother-in-law, he makes these new things called gliders. Oh, so we're taking your brother-in-law's pitch from a Thanksgiving or please God take these gliders. If he fucking mentions them one more time, nickname flying coffins. Oh, there are no, don't like the nickname. No, it makes sense. We're taking these. Yeah, what you want. We're 40,000 feet. They're called what? Like, oh,

fans gliders were notoriously ineffective and dangerous. These 65 foot long craft were towed by larger planes. And then the right point, what they guessed was the right point, they just cut the rope and then you had to glide down on a fucking plywood craft with no engine in silence, hoping that you would get to the right spot. Sir, can we just walk? Is there any, I mean, you just feels like, I didn't mean to question.

Yes. But it feels like, I don't mean to question. Yes. But it feels like this is stupid. I think we need to eradicate the commission of making more and more difficult. Is it glider? Isn't that more obvious than parachute? No, it's not. You do it at night. And the thing is about it is that you do it.

But you do it at the difference. You get to take your equipment with you. Like you get to take equipment. Everyone is guaranteed to land in the same place. Yeah, you got to, you got to bunch of shit. It's very dead. It's very dead poolly. Very much everyone dies. Very much Brad Pitt's about to be seen electrocuted. It's a good idea. And very, yeah, but it's not the rocket theory. And it's also so many years ago, we're just coming out with this shit. It just wasn't ready. It rarely went how it's supposed to go. There's a, in a Ken Burns documentary, The War,

there is a very, very long segment on how awful the gliders were. And how deadly they were, how much everyone hated them, how much everyone would argue, don't put me on the gliders, don't do it, don't do it. I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die, everyone dies. Everyone dies. No, I'm just using, under the 30, how many made it down?

Okay, let's get into it. Please. Well, and by the way, gliders were also constructed with corrugated iron floors, so all the vomit could drain off. Yeah. Because- You know the how unstable- No, unstable- How scary it was, how unstable it was, everyone threw up.

Wow. On the way down, because you could also thoroughly control it. You know, it really helps me destroy a secret heavy water facility inside of a well-armed Nazi hydration plant. It's being super nauseous. Yeah. And as it usually gets me, it gets me right ahead of space.

We ready to go. And as it usually went, when it came to Operation Freshman, the gliders were the source of its failure. The first glider lost control, implemented into the sea. The second crashed and instantly killed three out of the 17 men, further wounding six. And of course, while they're trying to get their shit together, the Nazis immediately found them. Oh yeah, yeah. Now the Nazis guarding

North Chydro were under secret orders to shoot all foreign saboteurs on site, but there were little unsure of what to do with these guys because they're active duty military, but they're also saboteurs. So they could be saboteurs, but they should probably be POWs. So the ranking commander called up his superior and in an incredible coincidence, his superior was a guy named Wilhelm Kyl who just happened to be uncle to Kitty Oppenheimer. That was Robert Oppenheimer's wife. Robert Oppenheimer was the father of the atomic bomb.

Weird. Weird. Yeah, really weird. It's fucking strange. Nevertheless, Kytel gave vague directions saying that you got orders. You should probably follow your orders. He didn't explicitly say execute prisoners of war. Not these are so good at like not like, I don't know, like they come up with euphemistic

ways. Oh yeah. Very good about that. Yeah, I mean, it could be argued that concentration camps were a euphemistic way to exterminate the German people. Well, because the way they spoke about them too, it's like everything was code because it's almost like they knew that everything they did was evil. Yeah, because the way they spoke about them too, it's like everything was code, because it's almost like they knew that everything they did was evil.

Yeah, because that's the thing. Yeah, they had to find some sort of like, you've like a different way of killing, but that was not quite so horrible for the people who had to do the killing. But it was bad. It was bad, of course it was bad, yeah. Not fun.

So the commander on site took the hint and shot each of the survivors in the head before dumping their bodies in a ditch. That was Glider 1. Ah. Meanwhile, the boys from the glider that had crashed into the sea had also been found by the Nazis. Out of those 15 commandos, six had died on impact.

Four had been injured and five had come out of it on heart. Oh, Lord, you could just see the whole time. It should be like, what did we say? About to God goddamn glides? Yeah, not good. But with this group, they did not have the luck of coming across a commander unsure of what to do. They had the bad luck to be captured

by a German officer who was known due to his brutality as the Red Devil. He ordered that the injured survivors from the first glider be murdered by morphine injection while the others watched, which is, I mean, far crueller and slower than a simple shot to the head. To be honest, it's kind of dumb. Yeah, it's, well, it's about the cruelty.

Cruelty's the point. As such, after the first commando was killed by injection, the other three started resisting. So the red devil strangled one injured commando with killed by injection, the other three started resisting. So the red devil strangled one injured commando with his belt, killed another by stomping on his neck and pushed a third down a flight of stairs before shooting him in the back. Yeah. That's one fucking intense Nazi. Yeah. He pulled down his pants, looked in the mirror, it is dog like dick and said, that's where they call me the red devil. Now that's swarmer red devil.

As for the un-injured survivors of glider one, they were sent to Oslo for interrogation with their hands tied behind their backs in barbed wire. And when they refused to talk, they were shot. Yep. And all every single man who went on operation, freshman was killed. Thirty dudes. Cheers.. Just fucking dead. That's an offer. The nice thing is, though I do think if we were kidnapped and forced to talk, we can

fill our. Oh, yeah, dude. I mean, what do you want to talk about? Let's go like, let's go right into it. That's what that's all I say. Let's go right into it. And then we just do impressions for 45. I'm like, no, we're getting to.

And by targeting Norris Kydro specifically, the allies had shown their hand. The Nazis now knew that the allies knew about their atomic program. So the Germans reinforced their defenses around the heavy water plant, making the next operation even more difficult because this was not the last time they'd go after the Norse Hydro. What they needed to do was operations as he made and have several men, our boys, right, dress in their finest, right? Like, you know, we give them fake boobies, put the nice makeup on there. Some of them are finer looking.

One I just took. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We want the men in there. And what we do is we put a long wig and hair French made outfit, have them go in slowly, but truly, but really spent a couple of years. They like the maids. And we're in there, slowly spent a couple of years, they like the maids. They're going there. Slowly spent a couple of years building up trust sucking some dick.

You changed your mind. Honestly, because that bushy can be snapping. Yeah. You don't need it necessarily. You need to have a pussy to have a fucking good time. Yeah, but at some point they're going to discover the cocking balls on the fake tits. No, no, but then you've already been like,, Vanhol is better than any other. I tell you what,

this whole is my home. I guarantee you that happened during the war. You're hoping they're gonna do the Elmer Fud and Bugs Bunny thing and what's opera doc. Because by the end of it, he's still gonna be fall in love because he realized that he was in love no matter whether he had the,

yeah, because that bussy be snap. It's not how the crying game ended. I actually feel like it's more control over but hold on there is a pussy. You know what? Dmitable. We don't know. because that busy be snap it. Nice. Isn't that how the crying game ended? I actually feel like it's more control over a butthole than there is a pussy. You know what? We don't know. We just don't know.

Debate a ball. It's another one of those secrets of World War II. Yes, indeed. Oh, by the way, the second raid on North Kydro, which we'll get into next episode. It wasn't the operations asked him, it wasn't operations asked him. No, it's a great idea though.

It's one of the coolest missions in all of World War II. It's so fucking awesome. But we'll get into that here in the next episode or two. All right. Now, by 1941, the British had figured out how to use the Norwegian heavy water. They were working on their own nuclear program, code named Tube Alloy. And it's live. I like it.

Yeah. The Germans, meanwhile, were obviously also working on their own nuclear program with the Uranium Club. The Americans, however, having not yet entered World War II, still hadn't committed to a full nuclear weapons research program, although they'd been thinking about thinking about it for a while now. Take some time, you got to come around, you got to inspect these people. You got to pre-debate before you debate.

That's how it is. But by November of 1941, it was obvious to Roosevelt, if not the American people, that our inclusion in the war was inevitable. If anything, even if we stayed out of it, till the end, FDR knew that if a man like Hitler had a weapon, like an atomic bomb, we sure as hell better have a couple in our arsenal as well.

Yeah, bet my num feet we can do. So President Roosevelt gave the go ahead order to officially begin the scientific engineering and industrial production that would result in the atomic bomb, which slowly set in motion the Manhattan Project. Oh my god. This turned out to be a prudent move because less than a month later, on December 7th, 1941, Japan would bomb Pearl Harbor. America was in the war and it's with our entrance into the bloodiest conflict in history that will return for part two of the Manhattan

project. Oh, awesome. Fucking shit. Now that I've thought about, of course, FDR wants highways. He wants roads. He wants roads. That's difficult to be to be in a wheelchair with gravel roads. Oh, no, no. You said that's why you could say make the roads thinner. So he'd be the only one on it. But all FDR wanted to do is just go between upstate New York, go from Hyde Park back

down the warm springs, Georgia. Yeah. He could be out and probably with the rest of the police, we love you. We love you, we love you, you know what I mean? One string's Georgia was really the only place where FDR could be itself because when he was with us, yes. The ones you with fellow polio patients, you can truly let his legs dangled because you know what's the most? Because you know what truly is the most horrible force in the world. It's apathy and that's true

that creates and This is a two hour plus episode two and a half hour episode. We just started we just started like America actually Hasn't even started the Manhattan Project yet. This was the run up to the run up, but we're gonna get her done. We're gonna get it done. We're gonna get it done. It's not gonna be a nine episode series, but it'll be close. Next episode, we're gonna introduce Robert Oppenheimer.

We're gonna introduce one of the great American military characters of the 20th century, General Leslie Groves. We're gonna introduce Neal's Bohr and his Matt S a head. He's a very big head and made him unsafe. But yes, well, you know, maybe four or five, I don't know how many we're going to do here, but they were going to do five. But this is, I, I did, it's crazy because now we're getting to operation paperclip territory. It's weird how you like at the end of this will have caught up to the beginning of the MK ultra series. I wish we would go to the, but it's true. It's like it's weird how each one is now. So we have covered this much history. Yeah, because I mean, really the, the attempt to keep the

Nazis from getting the atomic bomb, that was partly the genesis of the OSS. Yes. You know, that's like so much, so much history of the 20th century comes from just this fear that the Nazis are going to have an atomic bomb. So it's one of the most consequential fears of probably human history. Probably the reason why the American society, especially our leadership has been so obsessed with casting the central villain for us again and again and again, because I saw the perfect. The Nazis were wrongly maligned.

No, not at all. No, no, no. he saw like, yeah, because since the Nazis, because of how inspired the Nazis made us. Yeah. Well, it's the same thing that they tried doing with the Iraq war with Saddam Hussein. And of course, some people fell for it. A lot of people didn't, but that was the, that was definitely the, the idea behind it. If we cast a big enough villain, then America will get behind us. You know my thoughts on Saddam. You can see me July 9th, a mic drop comedy. He's gonna be talking all the all Saddam who's saying all the time. Anyway, check out. I got a couple of shows that people should go to 716 cops

comedy club. I love this show. This is a funny show to be like, and then you can check me out of wise guys. After two and a half hours. I don't know. I have to sell these tickets or everyone's going to yell at me. No, you got to see. You got to come see him. He'll be funny. I'm not worried about no one thinks of. He's got some stuff. These are some stuff today.

It's funny. What's more than I care about my humor. He's going to be funny. He's not going to be bad at it. It's more than I'm just doing this to help out a friend. All right, everyone. I can't wait to see you on the road. But thank you all so much for listening.

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No dogs. No dogs. No dogs. No dogs. No dogs. No dogs in space. No dogs. begun the first series. The monks, thank you. And the first series is now out. It's a two-parter. If you're waiting for the whole thing to come up before you let's do it, it's now fully out.

Parts one, parts two. And we're actually jumping a little bit ahead with the monks. This is like a big Germany month for LPN because the monks are banned in Germany. So a lot of Cold War stuff. And then after that, we're going to get into a series that is rooted directly in post World War 2, Germany. You want to rebrand June from Pride Month to Germany Month. Okay, great, that's gonna work out pretty good. Not worse, that's really good.

But in Germany a lot of people were proud. I'm not that wrong. I'm not that wrong. It's true. All right everyone, hail yourselves. Hail Satan. Hail Gain. Magus Doolayshund. And me. And alsoain. Magoos, doodleshaw.

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