Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 535: The Manhattan Project Part III - Sometimes You Need a Daddy

Episode Date: June 17, 2023

Continuing the story of The Manhattan Project, this week the boys shift their focus from Oppenheimer to the rest of The Bastard Brigade, The Alsos Mission, and the bizarre occult experiments discovered behind enemy lines during the race for atomic dominance.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk on the left. That's when the cannonball some started. What was that? Yeah baby! Man! Mmm! Is that what you got in your mouth?

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I got a new emotion Honestly, it's a good way to sell it I was looking at the information last week and I had this thought and I hadn't realized Marcus is Oppenheimer. Kisels Leslie Groves. Yeah. Yeah. He is Leslie Groves and I'm the genius Albert Einstein.

That's me. Well, I definitely think we all we all have the similar eating habits of those people. You know, I got the little like it's the little line sign kind of linky tongue. Yeah, you're really, you're really do. Hey, everyone, welcome to last podcast of the left bed hanging out with Henry and Marcus. My goodness gracious. You're not with me. Yeah. As a matter of fact, this is old school back in the day when Henry became a big celebrity and had to move to Los Angeles and leave us the little slugs back in New York City. Remember we had to do it this way.

We're Henry is out of the room. Henry is actually in the crux of Scientology, right? I mean, the clutches of Scientology and clear water, Florida. I, I'm not going to say that there was several recording studios that denied my request. Before, and this is real, there were several recordings who does that denied my request to record there. And then I had, we went, go through, I was like, look at the addresses. They're all right next to the death star and now I'm so weird, man. But yeah, I'm ready, man'm ready man. I'm feeling the heat that atomic level heat. Yeah, man. You don't have to worry about recording a studio that has pictures of the Scientology jazz band and the lobby. You don't need that shit. I don't need it. But it would have been nice, obviously, the look nice, but here at Seoul Studios is absolutely incredible. You see that? It's

like a splice block. There you go. Good plug with any luck you walk in there. They'll think you're Ele round Hubbard. Okay. We'll speak in a death star. Let's get on to part three of the Manhattan project. So when we last left the Manhattan project, the science and engineering side of the endeavor was well on its way to success, although it would take a further year and a half of trial and error before they completed construction of the bomb itself. But the thing about that year and a half of science and engineering is that it's a year and a half of science and engineering that mostly involves the minute details of uranium

refinery, firing mechanisms, and various other atomic brick-a-brack. Yeah, For you. Uh, uh, chlorophyll more like fill my fucking ass. That's why we're doing a little bit of skip around and we'll get back to Robert Oppenheimer when it's interesting again. Yeah, the juice really comes from the Trinity test. So we're going to wait until the juice is flowing real hard and real fancy. Fantastic.

Now, therefore, for this episode, we're gonna shift to the side of the Manhattan project that was ultimately unnecessary. Yeah. It's the funnest side because it's the funnest side in terms of like action and adventure and all that kind of shit, but it's, it is the unsuccessful side. It was bad.

Yeah. They did it all along. I would not say unsuccessful. It was bad. They did it all along. I would not say unsuccessful. It was successful just unnecessary. I would say this is more a story of war. What is it good for? What is it good for music? I'm making money. But it's good. But otherwise nothing. Yeah. So from a perspective of an artist, this is when back in the day, you'd fill at your writing packet, send it into Jimmy Fallon and say, he's going to love it, but they never read it. But you did a good job.

Yep. That exactly. That's an incredible analogy. Yeah. Good work. But this side did end up accomplishing something that was wildly important to the history of the 20th century. It's just that they did so halfway by coincidence. This is the rest

of the story of the Bastard Brigade, the men who would partly make up the Manhattan projects, espionage, reconnaissance, and recovery wing. And again, read the Bastard Brigade by Sam Keene. It gets our highest recommendation and tells a far more human worldward two story than what you're probably used to. It's really good. It's highly readable. Like I flew through the first 300 pages of the bastard brigade. It's a fun adventure. It's Tarantino-esque.

You can kind of see he must have stumbled upon this material when he was working towards in glorious bastards because it has that feel of like rag tag. A bunch of people who like shouldn't be doing extremely important jobs, doing them in a way that you can't teach. You mean it's like that naivete and lack of skill is sometimes extremely powerful. Yeah. So a fantastic film if you just want to see a bunch of Nazis burning alive in a movie theater.

Yeah. Rarely can you see footage like that and celebrate publicly. Yeah. But you can when it's like that and celebrate publicly, but you can when it's Nazis. I was going to say, if I was going to be arrested for anything, espionage, I'll be a honey trap. I'm going to Washington DC. Tell me, little girl, have you ever been to see the Washington monument? I could do a whole series of different things with a lot of questionable politics. Oh, you're not wearing a dress. Oh, you know, what is this? Oh, it's a very little shirt. It's a lot of soft clothing. I'm sorry. I thought I thought that you were just

seven breasted woman. Another honey pot. Potted. No, if you'll remember from episode one, the British had attempted to blow up the Norse hydro plant in Norway because it was producing heavy water that ostensibly could be used and what they thought was a rapidly advancing Nazi nuclear program. But as we know, the Nazi nuclear program stalled in 1942, lurching along and ultimately futile fits and starts right up until the very end of the war. The allies, however, were still operating under the assumption that the Nazis were ahead of them in every respect. So they acted accordingly.

Hey, if you were going to overshoot a project during any time period, this really was a time. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Also, lurching to the tall community, that is a derivative of the L word, which is the lurch. And I will open doors for people, but I don't need the responses. And also I don't need to be called a hodore. So if you're going to mention that, please give me a heads up. Man, so I can be prepared. The age for you, truly, Hodor should be the age word because it is the age word. Unfortunately, how many times I hear it?

And it's like, okay, all right. Technically, he's sp, he speaks for a living. Okay. He's just, he just displaces the same amount of water as the actor who plays Hodor. I asked my friend, I said, is that a compliment or a diss? He said, well, everyone loves him, but he is the R word. He is. He very much so.

And it happens a lot at comic book conventions. And when we were at WonderCon, there was somebody in the elevator with us that just straight up called you Hodor. And it felt bad. It was weird. It felt real bad. Just like the Manhattan Project. I felt the like a weird sense of like, whoa, so this is the rest of the song about. Whoa.

Now, the first mission to blow up the North Chydro plant, Operation Freshman, that had been a massive failure that had resulted in the deaths of 30 British commandos. These deaths had occurred either during the botched landings of their suicide gliders or at the hands of sadistic Nazi commanders. Worst possible fucking ending to a mission you can imagine. Well additionally the other fuck up was that Operation Freshman also made it clear to the Nazis that the allies knew about their atomic program, which implied that the Americans had their own atomic program. Yeah.

But a year later, the ministry of Unjentlemently Warfare. I need it. I need it. I need it, man. You did work to be a part of the ministry of Unjentlemently Warfare? He's fucking British. Again, they invented imperialism.

They're like, we're the people who have done that. And so they're all like, spang. Because they got to us, right? We had this idea in America that spying was in gentlemanly, right? Like we didn't want to do it, but the British were way ahead of us, man. They were already doing that. Shifri's we learned it from them. Yeah, but nobody was ahead as the Russians though.

The Russians have been doing spy craft for centuries. I do like the name. I think it's fun. I like it too. I think it's very fun. It seems like they have knives in their canes. Well, they just decided that the allies had no choice but to give Norse chidro another go because and this was also partly because this sort of action. This was about all Britain could do to contribute to the overall nuclear effort. See, their nuclear program project tube alloy

and stymied. It's in World War II. It really is. It had been stymied by German bombing. So the Brits helped pick up the slack by preventing the Germans from producing the bomb. And they also took on the task of sneaking European scientists out of Europe, just like they did with Niels Bohr. Oh, and you know how difficult that is with their creaky bones. And they're bad. Yeah. And he'll, he'll, but Neal's more is just anti intelligence. He just does not understand that what secrets are because his head was just so big. He just assumes everybody's inside. Oh, just see him in Prometheus. The film is his face is right against them. The I almost man, this is true. We're covering all of the Manhattan Project history that's not going to be in the Oppenheimer movie because you know the Oppenheimer movie is all about that

dusty skeleton man eating pussy next to a nuclear reactor. And it's supposed to be them all like not we're going to be huh. You know how much is going to be Oppenheimer saying goodbye to the woman that commits suicide for like you're just like, oh, I should be like, get back to the woman that commits suicide for like, you're just like, oh, I just be like, get back to explosions. Do you want to know a synchronicity with the Oppenheimer film? Sure. It comes out on my birthday. Wow.

July 21st. Hopefully that's the only one and we won't have a nuclear war. Well, actually, you know, we got right here is the creator of the second biggest bomb in the world. It's called his comedy career. Come on, Kisal. Come on, sorry, buddy. Whoa.

What did I see? I thought it was going to be a bowel joke. I thought it was going to be a defecation. called his comedy career. Come on, Kisal. Come on, sorry, buddy. Whoa. Whoa. I thought it was going to be a bowel joke. It was going to be a defecation joke. I thought it was sure because I just think a massive dump today because I'm going to dejorno kick. Oh, is that the new diet? Yeah, it's the dejorno kick diet. Just one dejorno a day keeps the doctor at bay.

Well, back to North Skydrow, while the British would organize what came to be known as Operation Gunner side, it would not be British commandos doing the dirty work. Rather, the job of blowing up the power cells at Norse would be given to local Norwegian soldiers and resistance fighters. This needs to be a movie. This whole story is there's there's like three movies that are based on this good good. I did not know I was looking at it. So is that really what movies? Uh, they're all Norwegian. Um, we all ski naked. Is that one with the other one called like, oh, I hate my vacation. Yeah, that's

that's not a bump. That's a medical problem. I love that. Oh, yeah, the heroes of telemark was a 1965 movie. That must have been boring as hell. There's also movie called the heavy water war, which is just, that looks boring as fuck. Come on, Norwegians. This all looks dumb. That reminds me, my older brother, Chris, was anorexic and I got him the movie heavyweights for his birthday as a funny joke.

That's a funny, do you know he was, you knew. Yeah, he was, you know, and he was a model. He was a model. She was a model in Italy. And you thought this was funny that he would think it was funny or did you do it because you thought it was funny. I was funny. He was an offended or anything.

He's like, I don't even get it. I was like, because you're fucking anorexic. Can you go anywhere, great. And I like how the clear up is actually probably what then makes it offensive. Yeah. You're going to be able to explain why it's offensive. And then just to sit there and you say go like, I'm his younger brother. I can do this.

Did you sit outside of his door and play all you can eat by the fat boys? No, no, but we did watch the disorderly orderlies. Yeah. And yes, I used to see there's a scene that involves a lady. Oh, you can eat ain't dad a treat. And over and over again. Let's see. Now, when it came to Nazi collaboration in World War two, the government of Norway unfortunately has a reputation for hard capitulation. To it, the man who weaseled his way into power when the Nazis blitz Norway was named Vid Kuhn Quisling.

Yeah, it sounds like a twizzler with cancer. He definitely looks like a boob. Yeah. He looks like a deflate. He looks like one of my tips with a hat on. He's very deeply. He's got kind of a ruddy complexion. Well, Quizzling capitulated so hard to the Nazis that his surname is now a dictionary listed noun, meaning a trader who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country. Wow. Is that also like bootlicker? Yeah. That's a very offensive term. Oh, bootlicker can be any kind, any man or a thing. Bootlicker can be like a man who owes allegiance to his boss, even like the boss of a corporation, even though the boss has no feeling for him. Sure. Yeah, that's what I normally think of a bootlicker as like that fucking guy in

the New Zelda game who's holding up all the fucking signs for a boss who doesn't give a shit about him. He doesn't even know the fuck you are. What a whole not signed all over high rule. And I gotta come along and I gotta fucking help you fix these fucking science, you fucking boot liquor. You just can boot liquor. I'm just not over there talking about it. Yes, okay, Zelda's actually the name of the princess. I am a link.

Yeah, Link is actually the main character. I heard that boot liquor was the name. It was a, it was a Native American moniker for the first ever sub in the, uh, tribe. Oh, my friend. That's the second. He was a hair. Sometimes. No, because the thing was tried as a trader and executed by firing squad after the war.

So he got what was coming to him. That happens. It's crazy for Norwegian to be turned into Swiss cheese. Comedy career made in a lab. I career made in a lab made in a lab. Made it. You can't fucking kill me, dude. But it will be wrong to paint all of Norway with the same brush as quizzling because the Norwegian resistance movement was one of the most

ferocious and well organized of World War two. At 40,000 strong, they call themselves the Milorg. Go look at it. It's just that I don't know what it means in Norwegian, but it sounds cool as shit. It does. It's like a death metal band. It sounds like something that lives in the minds of Moria.

Milorg. And their ferocity was largely fueled by Nazi brutality. For example, Norwegians could be executed for having something so innocuous as a bag of British baking flour. As was mentioned in the Bastard Brigade, one village was burned to the ground after a single bag of British flour was found. As far as the people in that village went, 18 men were executed on the spot and the rest

were sent to concentration camps. Oh my god. Honest question. How the fuck do they know the ethnicity of the flower? Truly, it's probably because it's in the bag. It probably has a union jack on it or something, a name of a British company. And this is like, because they were trying to very fully stamp out all because of how strong the movement was to fight the Nazis from within Norway. They were, they tried to punish them as often as possible by doing that where it's like, we kill everybody

for one infraction. Wow. In other words, Norway had a few grudges to settle. Yeah. And a handful of Norwegians got the chance with Operation Gunner side. Cool. Now instead of a commando force of 30 British soldiers making a direct assault on the plant The Ministry of Unjuntlemently Warfare Decided to use Norwegians and in the process they played to Norwegian strengths. Oh, yeah They got big bottom women. They don't like clocks nor relics. Oh, God Swords He's the fjords and black metal. Yeah, oh, yeah

I also think they like ships and vessels of the sea. Don't they? There's fish. A lot of pickled fish there. Yeah, there's the plant involved pickled fish. No, the new plant. No, we give it a shit. Who cares, man?

Perhaps they had pickled fish along for the ride as rations. So maybe pickled, I cannot confirm nor deny the existence of pickled fish in Operation Gunner side. You know who is one of my least favorite things about Norway is what else they gave us was Garrison Keeler. God, I hear it's in Keeler. Nah, I fucking hate Garrison Keeler. Very young companion.

It's a comforting Saturday afternoon. I hated Perry on the companion. Garrison had a shower. I hate their. It's a comforting Saturday afternoon. I hate it. Perry. I'm going to go. Man, I had a little voices. I hate quiet radio. I hate the, oh, well, let's see what Terry has to say. I hate that type of comedy where he just goes like, it's rude. A big is a great and never. I read Radney I hate hate well, Karrison killer. Garrison just lives a small rec loose life now. I believe in Minnesota.

Yeah, no small back is safe around. Garrison killer. Very did go. Well, the new plan was to use 10 resistance fighters who also happen to be expert skiers who could quickly ski their way to the plant after being parachuted to the ground. Oh James Bond. Yeah. I wonder if that scene inception was based on this. I'm

sure. Yeah. I mean, it was all I think it was also used in the beginning of true lies, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. skiing skiing. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Those are fun. Yeah. Yeah. Some boobs. After getting to the plant, they'd break in. Plan explosives on the heavy water power cells and hopefully crippled German heavy water production. Oh, dude, that's cool. Metal is also reminding me of Metal Gear Solid. Yeah. I'll tell you what, though. I don't think they got to worry about heavy water being created because they had Sargent Kissel someone there. And as long as he kept his latrine filled, he was making that heavy heavy water. Fantastic.

Thank you, Henry. So on the night of February 27th, in the dead of the Norwegian winter, the team's ski to the location, staffed their skis in an igloo they made themselves and scaled a 600 foot tall sheer cliff at the back of the plant to avoid guard posts. Because the Nazis are like, nobody's fucking crazy enough to scale up that there's no,

they didn't even, it didn't even cross their mind that someone could do this. What's, and again, you would fuel them was truly pure ignorance than met with like, oh, we can do this. Like they did not truly understand that it was in the bottom of a crack. Like this thing was literally like perfectly safe from any sort of overhead bombing. And so that's whole breakdown and the vast brigade of them like trying to figure out, like, okay, can you even climb this fucking wall that surrounds this thing? And the one is mean like, if they are plants growing, then they all places far hands to go. And so then they went and then they figured, so

they would just look for the plants. That's crazy. And a blinding snowstorm. That's interesting. Well, after following Nazi patrol routes to hide their tracks, the Norwegians found an unguarded gate and cut the lock where after five men provided cover, while the demolition team cut a hole in the fence to gain access to the plant itself. But when they got through the outer perimeter, the team found that contrary to their advanced insider intelligence, every door and window had been bolted shut. Improvising, they found a utility duct and crawled their way to the room where the heavy water

was both stored and produced. It's crazy, man. They're doing like Persona 5 Royals, shit. Yeah. When you know, you have to like, dude. It's all with a metal gear solid too. We have to find a lot of vents. Yeah. A lot of vent news. Also with the Arkham Asylum, uh, with the Batman game, which is actually why I don't really love the Batman game. Batman game is 90% vents. A lot of vents. Yeah. Yeah. Well, after dropping 15 feet from the ceiling to the floor, the commandos snuck up on the only guard. And probably the Nazis had left a frumpy old Norwegian man named Gustav. To guard what was supposed to be the Nazis' most treasured scientific resource. Are you looking for the fat boy water?

He has a roof. Thank you, Gustav. Thank you, Gustav. He just definitely seems like the Milton from office space where it's like, okay, Gustav, we're going to go party. You stay here and have the guard of the water. Oh, God, I got the water. I'm not giving a fucking shit.

Because then he goes, I'm basically a prisoner here too. You know, I'm being forced to watch this thing by Nazis. So he's like, yeah, just do it. Also get it done. You're watching water. Yeah, it's real boring. Yeah, of course. And so Gustav was how captive in a corner while the demolition team placed enough explosives to blow up all 18 fuel cells and 770 pounds of heavy water. The worst was when they started tickling me. They were tickling me in the corner. I couldn't get out.

me. They were tickling me in the quarter. I couldn't get out. I knew it got bigger and bigger. I didn't know what mean five skiers and all it takes is one pole to make a little bit of a side war party. They may fund a bit. Well, Gustav, the entire time he's like, please be careful around that. If you are not careful around that, you're going to hurt the heavy, oh, I see what you are doing. Okay. Like he didn't, it took him all the figure out that they had showed up to destroy the plant. Right.

So after planning all the explosives, they took Gustav with them and at one 13 a.m. two hours after they climbed that sheer cliff, they lit the fuse and the cells went boom. Mission accomplished. But they also knew that the Nazis were going to come and round up everybody within like a hundred miles of the plant. So what they were doing was as they went, they ripped off a patch. They had bridge, they were all dressed like British soldiers. So they ripped off the British stuff. It's like, it's cool. Because again, it feels like an action movie and like through like the sig, the British insignia is down. And then they would talk in Norwegian about how beautiful London was around all of the people that they were gradually kidnapping throughout the

the highest part of it. It's great. Because they ended up with two hostages by me and Gustav and another not an actual Nazi. Oh, okay. That's along the way. Interesting. Why do we feel like Gustav would be played by Josh Gad? Damn you, Josh. God. It should have been me. Yes.

I'm from Northland. Now, this team thereafter went down in Norwegian and World War II history as some of the bravest and most important heroes of the war because they'd seemingly crippled the Nazi nuclear program. Wow. That however is not really the truth. You just got to butt. No, don't let the truth get in the way of a good war story. Well, the mission was indeed impressive in its planning and execution. Operation Gunner

side didn't really matter because Heisenberg's program had stalled even worse, while Norse Hydro was supposed to be out of commission for at least a year, up to two years. It was back up and running bigger and better than ever within six weeks. Wow. Yeah. I put a dent in it. By the time they had in the book, the bastard brigade, by the time they had the big congratulatory dinner, because then they took all the guys that did it out to dinner in London. Yeah. By the time they had got to the dinner, the plant was already

doing it's thing again. So they was still good, but you don't want to tell them. So they're all like they were literally all new. They they was still good, but he didn't want to tell them. So they're all like, they were literally all new. They, they scheduled the big celebration knowing that it didn't even matter. But he was nice because then they all got to get out of the war. And it's still good for morale. They did it. They got in there. They blew up a building right from a rail. Yeah. But the plan engineers worked 24 hours a day in shifts to get the cells repaired. And by the end of it, they had managed to actually expand the heavy water operation from 18 cells to 26, which increased their production of heavy water from 11 pounds a day to 15.

It's kind of a really just sort of a glorified demo day and then a rebuild. Yeah. But actually kind of made space for them to be able to build better in a way that they didn't even think about. They're like, oh, now we can actually put so much, so much more the heavy water could go. This is actually kind of nice. That's thank you. Thank goodness. I said, this was a road bearing war turns out it's not. We can really have like an open, we can have open concept. And you're great. And now we've got the ship lap on front side and we've got the rolling bond doors because great solution of space. They really are fantastic.

I mean, look at World Trade Center one. Yeah. How beautiful is that building? Nothing like a nice big target. Yeah. And they got that big mall there now. They got a big mall. They wouldn't have had that mall, the mall that looks like a, a, a cadaver.

Yes. That wouldn't be there. Yeah. That would be more. No, man, not, dude. And we got the fucking, I got a burger king there, man. It's good. You know, the British refused to acknowledge that Operation Gunner's side had ultimately been a failure. At least they refused to acknowledge it to the Americans. And to this day, many historians still refused to believe that the whole thing had been all for not because it is, as you said, it's a great war story.

Yeah. It's an inspirational story. Oh, yeah. But back in 1943, General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project, he wasn't about to accept the British view of the mission, especially after he received intelligence that the whole thing had been an objective failure. I will say, I don't think it's unwarranted, but the Bassabragade has a four certain anti-British bias within the book because the entire thing is constantly talking

shit about how the UK had no idea what the hell they were doing that they didn't know that they had second gas. They were incorrect all the time. I don't know if it was real or not, but it's like Leslie Groves is like, God damn these Limey bastards. They have no idea what they're doing. I mean, like, it's all in the book. And you're like, I don't know if this is just dialogue written by a man that once got his like teeth broken on a bad scone or something and that he hates all British things.

A little resentment perhaps from the past. Possibly. So when it came to groves, his projects were all that mattered. And if he needed to go outside of normal channels to ensure that his current project was a success, he did it. After all, if the Nazis beat the Americans to the bomb, that would mean that the Manhattan project had been a failure. So groves called for help and contacted the office of strategic services,

the OSS, which is as we know, the antecedent to the CIA. This is back when espionage was fun and only done by old money people that would then form the fate of the rest of the country later on. I would disagree with it being only old money people, old money people in charge. Yes, but there were plenty of weirdos down at the bottom doing the dirty. Well, that's the thing. I said, you learn it was a classic American approach of blue blood running through the very base of it. And then everybody's a freak.

Everybody else is a literal and unwanted person that knows and doesn't fit into any other branch of the government or society that is very easily manipulated and used very effectively for S.P. and Ichwork. Yep. Well, Groves got a hold of O.S.S. founder Wild Bill Donovan and brought him up to speed on the situation.

And the two of them got to work on a plan to take out the Norse hydro plant for good You know they call me wild bill, but I actually just have early on subtle simers I actually For a wild bill Just me like is this my house? That's wild bill. Wild bill.

Are you going to enter house? He's being wild. I'm not being wild. I don't know you. Wild bill. Wild bill. Wild bill. Please, for the love of God, where am I?

No, the plan. No, the plan that groves and wild Bill came up with to stop the production of heavy water at Norris, Kydro, that didn't work out. But it was still the beginning of the Manhattan Projects involvement in covert combat, espionage, recovery and assassination operations. I also, I didn't understand that Leslie Groves could call a bomb it, a bombing in that he literally could call the US government and say, like, can you go bomb this place? And they would just go do it for Manhattan. Well, we get to that in a second, but remember,

he was a general. He was general Leslie Groves. What a fun power to have. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Can you imagine if he was a specific? Yeah. That's cute. I don't really get it. It's really cute. He's not a general. He's a specific. Oh, wow.

This is really something that must only be made into lab. That must be made into lab. I really, I really do. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way.

I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I do get my life out of the way. I was doing a very mama's a Prowski version of the Evan episode of Horters where she could go and like, I should be like, I want everything thrown out. And then anything I go to throw out, she go, no, no, don't you understand? That's my wedding dolls. I'm going to talk about wedding dolls inside stores. Yeah, I know.

You're going through a lot right now. Henry is at home helping his mother throw out the things that she will not throw out. Yes, the wedding dolls from her first marriage. You're gonna get rid of these things. Now I am here cannot believe that I would say yes. Now does not want to go through it. Junk man Joe's coming first thing in the morning. And that's just got to go on Joe. All right. So that explains the joke. Fuck you. He's under a lot of stress. Yes.

Now, as we were just talking about it, and as we covered in our MK Ultra series, some of the first men in the OSS came from the most powerful families in America, the Depots, the Morgan's, the Vanderbilt's. But in addition to the rich boys, Bill Donovan also had wild cards. He had mafia contract killers. This is all gone through in the basketball game. Mafia contract killers, bartenders, pro wrestlers. Wow. Yeah.

And as it pertains to our story, professional baseball players like former White Sox catcher, Mo Burr. Wow. Mo Burr is one of the more interesting characters in history because it's such a, like a weird combo of a lot of different qualities. He was a genius. He was a multi-lingual person. He literally could speak Japanese.

He's great. Very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Mo Berg was a natural athlete. He was beyond brilliant. He was fluent in at least six and maybe as many as 12 languages. Wow. He was so comfortable with like just Latin that he could talk to his second baseman in Latin during a baseball game when he played shortstop and they know exactly

what the fuck he was talking about. That'll confuse a batter. That'll confuse a runner. Mm-hmm. And again, he was played by in in the, I forget the catcher was a spy. He was played by Paul Rudd. And he, I said this on the stream, but he looks like the evil baby from the Simpsons. Like he looks like a meldomarkos. If a meldomarkos was from Brock, the Brock's. Like there's something about him. He's got a gummy bear body.

He's got a full unibrow, but he was an extremely compelling spy. People love this guy. Yeah, it's just really bizarre because obviously we want to be inclusive in this world, but how do you get people to identify as hideously ugly? You know, because that's just choosing. We do here. We are all proudly ugly. Yeah. I'm actually a pretty handsome man. He feels handsome. Marcus feels handsome. I've been told by many people that I'm quite the handsome boy. I'm just saying. I mean, it's a matter of his taste of course. Hollywood needs to stop pretty enough all these ugly people through history. I agree with that. More ugly actors.

Yes. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I was a Moberg was 1930s handsome. Good. Yeah. He was witty. He was the personification of the Oakley Shae. Women want him and men want to be him. I've always wanted to be a catcher. Time for. Moberg was also an inscrutable loner with no close friends or relations. In other words, everything about Moberg screamed spy. Well, spy. What's spy? Nice.

Now Mo had a surprisingly long career in baseball and impressively attended Columbia law school full time throughout the season during his early years in the league playing for the white socks. Think his career was like eight years long, something like that. Not too bad. But after an injury in 1930, he was demoted to a bullpen catcher for the Washington senators. Once you tear your taint as a catcher, you're done. Oh, yeah. The team is one of those crucial organs and organ. It's an organ to it. Yeah, it is. It's all taint because I was a catcher. I know.

You could see I got a catcher's knees. I know. I got an umpire's mind. Well, Berg came to be known as Professor Berg amongst sports writers. This is due to his habit of reading books about non-uclidean space time in the bullpen. And he understood it well enough where after the game he'd call, he got Albert Einstein's home phone number. And he just called up Albert Einstein and said, Hey, you want to talk physics? Wow. Yeah. Okay. So this guy really wasn't intelligent. Yeah. Because in Albert Einstein was like, I would teach you about physics. If you teach me about baseball and then he then they taught him a baseball and he taught him a physics, but then he tried to teach him all the rules about baseball and he was like, I

do not get it. I am not a fucking jack. Fuck you, Chad. That's what he said. You get black pills. Well, even more impressive was the fact that after Moberg's baseball career was over, he made an appearance on a national radio quiz show called information, please. I'm fucking him. I'm immediately annoyed because I'm going to be held on hold for 20 minutes. Now, information, be like, I just gave it to the automated system. Why do you need my information again? That was in 1938.

And in that year, he became an overnight celebrity. He was sort of a Ken Jennings, if he will. Well, and of course, Henry and I she blogged for a Patreon, had a chance to interview Ken Jennings. So check out that conversation. Ken's a big fan. Kissel definitely didn't try to use him as an info booth and ask him a bunch of trivia questions. I asked him why Axe Body spray is so cold when it goes on your body. And you thought that was a different question. He did explain it.

He explained it. Oh yeah. Huh. That's interesting. Well, maybe I'll have to listen. You know, you're my, yes. But like so many other Americans, when war broke out, Mo Berg wanted a fight for his country, but the military wouldn't take him due to his old injuries. So when the OSS was formed, while Bill Donovan trusted his gut and recruited Mo Berg, making Berg one of America's first international men of mystery. Well, Mo Berg for some reason was kind of obsessed with the concept of either being a spy or wanting to do something because he took a trip to Japan as a younger man and he filmed a bunch of shit from the top of a hotel.

Like he was got really into taking pictures of, and for some reason he took, he did espionage film where he filmed like a, what's it, putts like a port. He filmed like where the boats came in now. He filmed a couple of places where there was like a factory district. He did this stuff as sort of almost like a, like some kind of real, like an espionage real, so that people would do it. He spread this video around and apparently it was so useful to the US government because up into this point, the only information that they had had about the Japanese shoreline and anything that happened in the Japanese mainland had come from like tourism books. They didn't even know what was happening over there. So it's very interesting. It's very like he was obsessed with it. He shot a pilot. He shot a pilot. Yeah. Or the interest show. Oh, they saw that.

They were like, that's your show. Interesting. Now being an OSS agent was just as dangerous as being in the CIA, if not more so, because the OSS was very much making shit up as they went along, and they often did so in a dramatic fashion. For example, the OSS regularly used the infamous cyanide capsule, which of course could be bitten down upon if the agent was captured by enemy forces. Yes. Boming death would come within seconds, and and the agent secrets would die with him. There was a recent situation about what it was a five or six years ago. The dude in Russia

who took it on the stand and you can watch him die. Have you seen that? I haven't. It works real fast. We had people as soon as they knew what he was doing. They like lunged for him and tried to get it out, but he already did it and he was dead in like 45 seconds. Yeah. He happens real fast. I also did not know that they were rubber coded. Yeah. So I guess there's a thing that if you pop it in your mouth and you don't not need to kill yourself, you can just eat it and shit it out. Apparently, like you literally it's a rubber capsule. So you could just flows right through the hole. Interesting. I was interested. No, I would. I would. I would. I would. I would trust it. No, I would trust it. I would. I would. I have an eighth of an inch of government

rubber between me and certainly now. Yeah. I always imagined that Vladimir Putin has it all the time. Like a chitchat used out. I'm sure it just gives you some like a death just like some Copenhagen just right in the lip. Yep. I believe it. These men were trained in sabotage tactics like lockpicking, phone bugging, and silent methods of murder. But since it was all hush-hush, and since it had no precedent, the OSS had to create its own covert methods for graduating their training program. This shit's crazy!

This is like such an outlandish concept! In Moberg's case, he was tasked with planning a solo heist that involved infiltrating an American defense plant to steal any classified document he could find. Didn't matter what kind of document, didn't matter what it said, all it matters, it was stamped classified. So, this is the tangible when they get someone who knows how to like hack into computers to work for the government and they're like, hack into our system. So, we learn how to do it, but this is that in the real form.

Can you imagine that though, they were to put up until that point, if you hire a hacker that has hacked into the government, you know that he can do it. This is literally being like, okay, we put you in a fun house training segment where you have to shoot at plaster Nazis that pop up in window frames, like it's an old like, what Keanu Reeves does for John Wick. They do all that type of training. And then it's literally, all right, go spy on us and come back. Yeah, it's crazy to me. They would just

go not tell these companies that they would do it. And then afterwards, they'd have to under pain of death go through all of this often, then basically be like, this is a no SS training meeting. And they had all to go like, oh, okay. And then somebody just had to be like, wait, the catcher for the fucking socks. That's who's doing all this. Well, the point was that they wanted to see if Berg could come up with a plan on his own and execute it under pressure in a real life situation. But Berg's plan wasn't as clever as you'd expect.

He somehow got a hold of some lighthouse stationary and he just kind of wrote, he forged a note and tried to bluff his way through it. And when he wasn't able to charm his way past a guard, he sheepishly had to admit that he was participating in what amounted to a glorified panty rate. Oh, mo come on. I'm sick. Wait a second. Do you want to see the panties?

I'm sick. Wait a second. I can just see these panties. Perhaps, no, listen, come this way. And as you see all of Jay at Goover's's panes, just like lined up in this beautiful array. He's like, yes, he comes here each morning and depending on his mood and the day of the week, you can see MTWT FSS.

Yes, these are the week panties. It's balls. Big front. As you'll notice, this one here is used Five dollars you can bet moment Well, even though Berg failed the OSS still decided to take a chance and by the fall of 1943 he was being parachuted into Norway under the command of wild-built Donovan and general Leslie Groves on a reconnaissance mission concerning the Norse Hydro plant. Now Bergs soon found an interrogated scientist familiar with the plant, and those scientists confirmed that the heavy water production had only ceased for about a month and a half.

That interrogation was relayed back to Groves and Donovan, who both said, fuck it, let's just bomb the fucking thing into oblivion. Right, sure. Why not? Let's just bomb it. Just bomb it. Just bomb it, fun man. Yeah, you're going to be on up here. So within a week or so after the information was delivered, groves and Donovan managed to gain command of 142 bombers from the bloody hundreds, planes with such colorful names as Boss

Lady, Pecklepus, she has to run movie to the wrong she wolf Two names that were simply named horny She has said now being like She is this my plan. Yeah. Horny. That's her name. Yeah, yeah. She's ready for it. God, he can't even sit in the seats.

I have a second slide of the cock, but each time. Well, the men, they also had colorful names. There was bubbles, handle bar, Hank, lucky, lucky do the two herries, the three buckies and a guy just named Bill. Oh, man, it sounds like you're describing a bunch of rescue dogs. And someone's going to look to a dog. That's lucky. Right there. That's me versus two. Yeah, it's the list on Toby small dog rescue. Well, they were all for adoption. I want to know why we call him horny.

Well, there is men that call me Ville Ville is because I'm a little sheepish. That's funny. Is it Ville beef? Ville is beef. It's cow that is brutally, brutally treated at a very young age. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The whole point, Kissel, you see, is that they're supposed to turn into sort of what Arbiz does, something between liquid and a solid. But yeah, yeah, I'd use a turn making, I think a living slurry. There you go. Well, that's nice. That's humane. But perhaps the reason why there was such levity around the bloody hundreds, is because a lot of them got killed. They were called the bloody hundredth for a reason.

And alternate name, a much less cool and a name that's a lot less fun. They were also called the vanishing Americans. Oh my God. That is. My name during a war. Absolutely. Absolutely. But the thing about bombing is that no matter how good your crew was targeting just one

building is really fucking hard. And it's even harder to target a single room within that building. That would be the heavy water room in the North Kajro plant. Therefore, while 12 bombs hit the plant, only the power generators went down and 22 civilian villagers were killed in the process. That's why they were a little reticent to go the bombing route. That's all out of 12 fuck out of 12 bombs. That's all that it was able to do. It was literally inside of the joy. This is why I'm so glad I have

a bidet now. You have an idea how it's hard. It is to get to the dingle berries at the very bottom of the gravis. Right. It's extremely difficult without help. That's why I ended up clear in the fields. Let's creaking it by sniffing it in the hole around my beehive. But I'm sorry Samantha, new assistant here. I, you, but this is different because, ah, you can't get to it. How do they count the bodies they kill? Can I ask like truly like how to end the end when they talk about war casualties? This is just a general question. How do they like figure that out? I think they'll one, two, three, four. I forgot. It was a Totsie pop method. I didn't know. Yeah, I always held.

And then they bite the head off the fourth and then they call it. I think just after the war is over, there's, you know, record keeping, there's reckoning. How many people were in the village at the beginning of the war? How many people are in the village? Now, when did those people die? There's usually someone in the village just keeping track all this shit. Did your husband knock him home? Yeah. Truly a very morbid nerds job. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the reason we're going to do it. That's one of the only reasons why we know so much about the black death that we do know is because. Yeah, all the records, yeah, certain countries were insane record keepers.

And that's why we know more about one than we know about the other. Interesting. Now, this failure again enraged Leslie Groves because Leslie Groves is real. Damn it. This is like a lot of that, a lot of punching the air playing with his belt. Got angry real fast. Well, this seems like a reason to be angry. He wasted what millions of dollars I would assume, right?

Oh, yeah, didn't do a good job at a hard target. Couldn't break it much like John Clevver and damn Kisel. You're listly groves. How would you react? Get me that goddamn wild bill. I actually don't know. No, I'm actually. I see this here. I see this little sign. Yeah, I'm actually the see I see this little sign. Yeah, I see the sign.

I guess I must be bill, but I don't know bill. A bill, man, you are fucking wild. Do you guys have a bunch of birds in here? What's that sound? Oh God, where's there are a bunch of birds in here? He's fucking wild. Trust me. This guy doesn't remember shit.

Am I Bill? Wild Bill, we got a mission for you. Whoa, me? Yeah, you're Wild Bill. My name is William. No, yeah, Wild Bill. Wanna go kill some Nazis? Yeah.

There you go. Wild Bill's back. No, and Leslie Groves calm down. He realized that by just dropping one of his unless the groves calm down, he realized that by just dropping one of his dudes into the thick of it, he very quickly had gained highly valuable operational information about the Nazi atomic bomb program. Didn't matter if the bombing worked or not,

he still knew that it was all up and running and he knew it straight from the horse's mouth. So Groves talked it over with Wild Bill, and Mo Berg was given over to the Manhattan Project as America's first atomic spy. Wow, cool. Now, smartly, Groves gave Berg no specifics about the Manhattan Project, but Berg did learn enough quantum physics to be able to interrogate European physicists in their own language. Yeah, dude, it's crazy because they couldn't have anybody that had any operational connections to Manhattan Project over in the theater of war because they knew if anyone of these guys

are get scooped, we love our scientists because groves knew we need scientists doing this so they can understand the actual like what they're looking at when they go look for evidence of a Nazi atomic program. And like, but they knew they can't have somebody from the Manhattan Project because we love our scientists. But let's just say once it came to being spoken to in the quote in the style of the Russians, you knew that they were going to fold immediately. Any sort of, there was sort of physical like they can't be tortured. As soon as they're tortured, they're going to start spilling their guts. And I don't disagree with them.

Well, Niels Bohr couldn't even stop talking about being an atomic scientist when nobody was torturing it. Right. I did not go to 49 years of being a nuclear scientist man. Do I just not stop saying about it? All right. You tell me not to. What did you do? Oh, you're Mr. Radio Man. I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I and Enrico Fermi. But he was especially drawn to the work of Werner Heisenberg, who would soon become Moberg's number one target

for first kidnapping, then assassination. Assassins. Assassins. Also, I just so you know, I have had a lot of people talking. I ain't got a little bit of a pushback, but I don't want to give credit where credit is due. And Otto on actually mostly stole a lot of the work from Lisa Meitner. That was actually the person that was the, like the actual brains and the operation. Otto Hahn, very similar to many of these

guys that are in charge of a lab will just kind of be like, that's me up. I came up with it, but it's also everybody on their team who really gives the people that like give the actual information. Interesting. Was she a Nazi? Oh, I think I actually don't know. I don't know. I think that she was fine. I think a lot of people, she was just kind of there under duress.

Oh, okay. All right. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Mm-hmm. Before I say yes, let's say. Neeeeeem. Why from North Laid?

No, Berg was already on the front lines when it came to atomic spycraft, but Grove still needed a small team that could coordinate Investigations into foreign nuclear activities that included but was not limited to domestic spycraft. Oh very fun That team named itself also domestic spy craft. Oh, very fun. That team named itself Allsos, which pissed off Lesley Groves because Allsos in Greek means Grove. Well, now, why would that be aggravated? Because it was not a very good secret keeping name. Well, because Grove was very much famous for being in anybody within the world of the military knew that he was running this thing called the Manhattan Project that was probably associated with us building some form of

atomic bomb. So as soon as you see the word grove attached to a thing that's a bunch of people looking for Nazi atomic bomb secrets in Europe. You're immediately like, oh, these are all these are all guys from the Manhattan Project. And now we know that they are that far ahead in their atomic bomb program. Also, as a gross, she didn't like the brush. Yeah, maybe a little ego-tistical on his birth as well. Quite possibly. But nevertheless, when it came to the man who would lead also, groves chose a fiercely anti-communist Russian named Boris Pash, formerly Boris Pashkovsky. Oh.

Now, Boris had been born at the dawn of the 20th century in San Francisco, but in 1913, his family returned to Russia where his father became a Russian Orthodox bishop. During what was in an especially dicey time? You know what the dicey time is? What, we already covered it. When? With what?

Brutal? Brutal? Brutal? The being of right there talking. time is what we already covered it when with what the big. They're talking. They're talking and I see that there's a show on there's like, Oh, yes, I'm on the show. I. There's a dice. My drinks are here. There's my drinks. I must be.

I've been talking. Oh God. Am I wild, Bill? What does this mean? There's a dicey time there. Red dicey, being a Russian Orthodox bishop in 1913 in Russia. That's a, that's a dicey time. Probably not good because they didn't like religion.

Because they, they have, they have a leader there that was anti-religion. Not yet. Buddy, all I know is bishop fucking fog it. Make the juice. I Really Well, this was right before the Russian Communist Revolution. It's a good dicey time And when the Russian Communist Revolution came, Boris not surprisingly fought for the Tsar as a part of the White Army, which was made up of religious sellets and the capitalist

bourgeoisie who benefited from Tsarist rule. As we know, the revolution ended in the death of Tsarist Russia, so Boris slowly made his way back to America where he was born. Man, eventually every one of our topics is going to touch each other. Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah. Cause that's all Rasputin. This touches Rasputin directly. That's so, that's so weird. So crazy. That's what I was talking about. The connection between Boris, passion, Rasputin. That's what I was saying. We covered it. Um, Ras, I would say none because Rasputin was just hanging out in the power of having

good old time. I just hope I'm hoping for an extended university. That'd be nice. Yeah. And by the mid 1920s, Boris Pash's name had been shortened from Pashkovsky to Pash because when he came in through immigration, they're like, you're a Pash now. It's a lot easier that way. Yeah. And he was soon teaching high school and Hollywood. Oh, Hollywood high school.

I drive by it every day. Man, I was he actually at Hollywood high school? I mean, they just said a high school. I drive by it every day. Man, I was he actually at Hollywood high school? I mean, they just said a high school and Hollywood. So maybe Hollywood high school probably Hollywood high school. So crazy. It's so weird. It's like where Judy Garland went. It's like, it's very strange.

There's a mural of all the actors that are famous from there. Oh, wow. The outside of the school strange. It's really strange. The one in the way to the serious ex-Sim It's really strange. Yeah, I like strange. The one on the way to the serious ex-ims. I know exactly which one you're talking about. Yeah, it's very famous.

Yeah, it was actually, it probably was that one. Yeah, I think that's what they said 90210. I think it was based on that. Oh wow. In 1930 though, Pash returned to the military and joined the Army Reserve. Ten years later, Pash was in the Army's intelligence division tasked with hunting Japanese insurgents in the Baja Peninsula in an effort to prevent

an attack on San Diego after a Japanese sub had surfaced in Santa Barbara, California to fire on an oil refinery. Now that's a Baja blast. Now no insurgents were ever found in Baja. Nor were any Japanese American citizens ever found guilty or even tried for espionage or treason. In fact, out of the 10 people convicted of spying for Japan domestically during World War 2, all 10 of them were white weeibos. What's a weeibos? Yeah, man.

A person who is a westerner who is extremely obsessed with Japanese culture. Oh, what is it? It's more of an anime thing, but so these were people who were a, a, a westerner who is extremely obsessed with Japanese culture. Oh, like, when I find it, it's more of an anime thing, but so these were people who were extremely obsessed with Japanese culture to the point where they were traders against their own country. Well, that's what got Gwen Stefani in trouble because she said, I'm kind of Japanese, but she's not. She, she claimed to be Japanese. See, you know, I haven't seen the documents, but I, when I, I see a white woman, and you just never know. You never know. You never know what's inside. Because me,

I'm half-spanored. I know that. I'm just saying it. I'm just saying it. Cool. Yeah. Well, the most interesting of these weeibos was a woman named Velvalee Dickinson, AKA the doll woman. Whoa, man, the nickname scary. The name is sexy, but her nickname is scary. You think Velvalee Dickinson is sexy? Yeah. I think Velvalee Dickinson, yeah. Velvalee Dickinson definitely sounds like a woman.

I didn't approve and it all for me. Yes, you know. Damn you Velvalee, get out of my mind. Velvali Dickinson from a long line of Dickinson's. Damn it, Velvali. Get out of the trunk of my car. Oh, I ain't going nowhere without you. Velvali, you got me cornered.

Yeah, yeah, Velvali Dickinson. Yeah, she's a babe. After becoming obsessed with Japanese culture, Velvali used her doll shop in Manhattan as a front for Japanese espionage. She passed military intelligence to the Japanese in letters that relayed information through doll lingo. Well, I don't like that she's doing that. And it's like doll lingo. Yeah, what is doll lingo?

She would refer to things like fish nets like doll accessories and they would be set fish nets. Yeah, fish nets. It was that was one of the weirder ones with fish nets. Yeah. I don't like all this like sexy little doll. She would say like, I'm getting an order of two fish nets from San Diego or I'm getting, I'm getting a set of fish nets repaired in San Diego. Yeah, you would. Belvali, which told the Japanese that there were two ships in the harbor at San Diego being repaired at that time. Oh, Oh,

yeah, I mean, who man those letters? You can even read to the letters that she's got a body. Yes, indeed, although fishnets need to be cheaper. You think so. You're fucking expensive. Have you ever gone to one of those stores where the ladies, when the lady wants to dress up all fun and fish nets, there's no material. But I imagine a different $20,000. They're difficult to make. They are not. Why are you pricing out fish nets?

A, A, A. So why are you doing that? Iets? A. A. A. So why are you doing that? I'm just saying they're very expensive for limited fabric. That is true, but it's the quality you pay for and you pay for the labor. No, you're supposed to be able to tear them open. Oh, weird kiss a lot. Oh, no, we've headed into a weird private party, your life.

No, I've just got a great. You just rip apart fishnets at home like you're a giant horny dolphin. weird private part of your life. And the letters written by Velvali were sent to Japan via Buenos Eras. And she used names of people in the doll trade that she had grudges against. And it was that little bit of pettiness that got her caught because the letters were intercepted. And they started to say like, Oh, this sounds a code breaker looked at as like, Oh, this is obviously all code. And it would have the name of like Martha Johnson, who lives in Boulder. And they go and talk to Martha Johnson from Boulder and say, Are you a fucking spy for the Japanese? She's like, that sounds like something velvety would

be into. And so, yeah, I may have done a treachery or two, but when it comes down, everything's fair and love and wall. Velvvel. All right, velvety. Can I show you a picture of his unveil the leave in? Cause I got a pretty hot steamy picture going in my mind and, uh, you know, it looks, well, so I understand why they call her the doll lady. Oh, well, oh, no, no,

is very different. Yeah. No, I was also the photography back then, the photography back then. I literally thought, I just, you know, it was also the photography back then, the photography back then. I really thought, I just, you know what? It was just, it was just seeing a blonde, Bob, Michelle with just, you know, a slinky, like Jessica rabbit. You know, stop with that.

There's only, okay, to be fair, there's one picture of her and it looks to be her in her like 50s. She had something. I'm looking at it from certain angles. I think this picture is from her in the 30s and she looks like a melting skeleton. Well, aren't we all aren't we all all right. Well, that's why she's got such a great personality. That's why she's always playing with dolls.

She looks like before the wicked witch of the West turned. Yeah, she looks like in the real life version. Do you say what you want about that wicked witch. She's got a tight mind. Yeah. I must be horny up today. You really do. Yeah.

You have a jerk talking a while. Yeah. Maybe in a second with Blasian. Yes, indeed. But when it came to Boris Pash, he fell in love with the military intelligence game during his hunt for non-existent Japanese insurgents. He was great at managing agents. He was a master of agents. He was a master

of disguise. He had a knack for putting wigs on straight. I hate this guy. I hate this guy. Why? For all intents and purposes, I should love this guy, but I hate this guy. This is what you would be doing. Yeah. I know. And he was pretty good at funny voices.

But like voice of voice alteration. Well, as long as he doesn't use them in our fucking ads because they don't like funny voices. We've gotten some ass to be re-recorded. Well, Boris Pash therefore caught the eye of the OSS and he was soon named head of West Coast domestic security for the Manhattan Project. Now Boris Pash's first task was to investigate lead scientist Robert Oppenheimer and his associates to see if any of them were passing information to the Soviet Union. So it seems here truly that there's a lot of distrust.

Oh, yeah. So the investigations are all like within the house at this point. Right. That is really interesting though, because you think about like the combined front, the United States versus the commies and the Nazis and the Japanese. But really there, no, everyone was like, who the fuck do we trust? Well, because this entire lab was based off of basically current and former communists.

We're all like there. You had a bunch of people that were all because some of them, card-carrying communists, that were the ones that were the leaders in nuclear science. So they're all at the men and ad project, they're at Los Alamos. And so they basically hire, you know, an internal affairs guy to go and you're going to watch us. Well, we watch ourselves because we don't know how this is going to work out. Like we actually don't know because, again, warring factions, half of them are like the Russians are allies. There should be a free border here. There should

be osmosis of our science and their science like we should be sharing it. But they, you know, we're not fully privy to the idea that we were setting up a bill, another bill and number two from the sequel. And to the point of everyone coming together for the war effort, that is very much a fact. That's a rose colored view of history. America, when we were first asked to ration, we fucking hated it. We were drag along, taking and screaming the entire time we did not like rationing, we did not like sharing. We basically, the government basically had to hire a daddy to force everyone to do it. But if they wouldn't have forced everyone to do it, we wouldn't have won the fucking more. So there you go. Yeah

Sometimes you need a daddy. No, you don't don't you been If you had a very special little daddy, I feel like you know, because he doesn't have to be in charge you. He could be too lateral. You know, I have enough. I have enough little people around me. There's just a group for me to just go talk with other big people and just be like, these little fuckers. That's how it starts. That's how an NBA locker room sounds. I don't know how to start. That's how this market starts. God, is that how an NBA locker room sounds? I don't. They have their own issues. I, I think they're all just getting too laid and, and paid to be angry. Yeah. They're NBA guys.

They're pretty happy. Well, the FBI had already been investigating one of Robert Oppenheimer students. And that student was indeed passing information from Oak Ridge and Los Alamos to Soviet agents. Pasha, however, demanded that he be given total control over all investigations into Manhattan project staff. That authority was swiftly given and Pasha began a lifelong career of being the type of guy who would fit his entire head up your ass if he thought there might be a communist hiding inside. But the old city, I mean, I got a couple of of communist in my ass. You want to come check it out?

You want it too much Look My god, this is the cleanest asshole I've ever seen There wasn't a communist in here now. There certainly was one here recent Clemed up for the surveillance team on that man's asshole There wasn't a communist in here. Now there certainly was one here recent. Nice and cleaned up. But a surveillance team on that man's asshole. There was a kind of a problem though, because a lot of this shit he did was completely illegal. So he'd set up a house that he wired for sound and he'd invite communist to it and go, yes.

You know, it's just like, what do you think of this? You know, like, and so the students got caught, but because all of the evidence was against them was built up illegally. They didn't know what to do with them. So you're like, well, we can't prosecute them for espionage officially. So they just sent them all in the worst details on the war. Like they sent one to Alaska. They sent one to another place where they just like put them away from anything important

possible. And just were like, all right, you go peel potatoes for the next two years. Yeah. You love potatoes. You're a communist. He installed surveillance equipment worth $100,000 in modern currency in the radiation lab at the University of California, Berkeley. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. He also had undercover security agents follow anyone he's suspect of having communist ties ties and he flipped Oppenheimer's driver and his body cards into becoming informants that reported directly to Pash. And so that is there is a really interesting push and pull in that time period. It's it's not as it's very difficult to cover accurately on a podcast versus a book, but like Oppenheimer

understanding that everyone was trying to out him as a communist spy was a part of like one of the big pressure points during the end period of the Manhattan project while they got as they were going up to the Trinity test because obviously he's under a lot of pressure as it is. He's under pressure for his in his own mind. He's under pressure from the US government, but now they're all looking for any evidence that he's a communist too. So he's trying to quit like four times. Yeah. It's like a kind of handle. I have to go and you're like, I robber. Come on, buddy.

They're going to make a movie about you. Don't worry. But as I said last episode, the unfortunate reality is that as Henry said, there were quite a few card carrying communists, both orbiting the Manhattan Project and quite a few inside the project itself, even a few in the inner circle, although most of them weren't feeding information to the Soviet Union, they were just communist. It was just an apolitical idea. These are communist. They were American, yeah, they're American commons. Yeah. Military intelligence, however, is not necessarily known for sussing out nuance.

And by late 1943, Pasha's hard on for communism got to be so obtrusive that everyone in the Manhattan project and the OSS hated him. Yeah, eventually they're like, you know what? Honestly, the communist's crushing it right now. You're killing me, Pasha. You're fucking killing me everywhere you go because he's just like, he was too good. He was too good at being an internal affairs guy. Yeah.

They fucking, they wanted to send him away. Get out of here. It's just sounds very annoying. Extremely, but he's an aggravating person. He's bringing the vibe down. Sure. Yeah. And he's probably, and he's also fucking up your day in the process.

He is setting your work behind because you can't get the fucking project done if half your guys are being interrogated by Boris Pash, or if they're fucking constantly worried the Pash is going to arrest them. It's weaponized HR. And actually it really is. It is. And this is partly how Boris Pash got put in charge of an also submission that tracked the developments of access nuclear programs which necessitated a relocation to Europe. Oh, for real.

I feel like this is the type of thing that showed just how much of a genius Leslie Groves was because he kind of understood, well, yeah, he hated Communists too. He was a fucking diehard American, but there's a couple of him that did understand we need these Russian nerds right now. Like we need them after the war. You guys can all tear all of these guys to pieces if you want, but right now, like we need them after the war, you guys can all tear all of these guys to pieces if you want. But right now I need to just this all of this shit needs to stop.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. By 1944, Boris Pash was an Italy tracking down a former assistant of Enrico Fermi's to see what he knew about German atomic studies. This was a mission called Operation Shark. Ooh, that's fun. Dancing. Remember the dancing shark. Baby shark. Baby shark. Yeah, baby shark. God help us all. God help us all. Oh, Mr. Bill. I'm just slowly just saying, I'm just wildbilling my head. Now it's going, my God, my God, am I a shadow of myself? That's wild. That's wild.

Bill for you. That's real. Wow. Well, in shark, American agents will be sent to Rome to quote-unquote persuade this former assistant to defect the allies. If the assistant were to resist, however, agents were authorized to beat him into submission and drag him to a submarine by force. All right, guys, you know what? I'll just go with you. What if I just go with you? But since this spycraft stuff was still pretty new to the Americans, Operation Shark got double booked. Unbeknownst to either man, both Borscht Pass and Mo Berg had both been assigned to interrogate

and or retrieve this Italian assistant. So dumb. So it's such a thing. It's humanity again. We always talk about the human element and it's just so crazy. Just like both of them, because everything's so secret, nobody can know what the fuck's going on. So what are you doing here?

No, what are you doing here? I didn't know. It's exactly the same thing you're doing. We'll see. There's literally an entire scene like that. Now, if you'll remember, Moberg was a minor celebrity. And when he arrived in Naples on his way to Rome, he got recognized in the street by none other than a group of major celebrities who are in Italy on a troop morale mission. Oh, no, you got me by the, by the, what is

that called the USO tour guys? Yeah. Who's a good medium like like athlete celebrity? You know, like, I would say nobody like now like like, like, well, I would, if we go back to the 90s, let's say Dion Sanders. He was a a list celebrity. He was huge. He was huge. I'm trying to think of somebody who's like medium. That's the slush.

Like you'd have to be like, oh, Ricky Henderson. Sure. Ricky Henderson, but I think he's number one for stealing. You'd be like, uh, basses. I got a trick you and shut it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got do. That shrimp is the answer. Perfect. That left shrimp was the answer. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, the crew that recognized Moberg was baseball star lefty Gomez.

I got me that because I only use my right hand. I get it now. A heavyweight champ named Jack Sharky and Humphrey Bogart. What the fuck? He's hanging out. He's hanging out. Because they went to go like talk to the they were doing a USO trip. They were going hanging and saying, oh, yeah, they're hanging out and they got a free trip

to Naples out of it because this is it right at this is not too long after the allies took Italy. Okay. Now since Berg had been a baseball player of some renowned, he was known lefty and sharky. They knew him. They'd hung out. And when they spot him in the street, they go, no, no.

And you can just see him, he's like, not now, guys, not now. Just like cut it out. Please not out, guys. It's exactly what he said. He put his finger to his lips and went, and then he just disappeared into the crowd. I'm undercover, I'm going to go.

That is such a funny coincidence. So in Berger arrived at the Italian assistant, home in Rome, he did indeed find the assistant, but he also found Boris Pache, who'd already been interrogating the assistant. Bache asked Berg, who were you? And Berg said, I'm here on behalf of the All Susmission. And Pache said, I am the All Shosh missing. It's me. That's what I do. But he did the thing where

he was like, can't be on a like he was hard interrogating the scientist. Right. And the dude just couldn't handle it. I would much rather get a jargon of Moberg. Yeah. Well much rather. Moberg was actually very good at it because. Smart. Yeah, because he's very smart and he's charming. So he's good cop. Boris Pash's back cop. Gotcha. And Pash had not gotten anything out of this assistant during his interrogation,

but Berg, he was able to confirm from the assistant, he was able to confirm that this assistant had been in contact with several Axis physicists, Italians, Germans. This guy was in contact with them all. Berg then went back and re-interviewed every scientist passionate. Oh, man. But he did it better.

And each person he uncovered something new. He's crazy. He's one of the most effective spies in the world. That is really crazy. You fucked this up in Heimer movie. I want to know the Mo Berg story. Well, they already, they already did it and it failed. It's like, it's like, who is it? Who? It's Paul. It's Paul. It's Paul. The catcher in the spy. Yeah. Well, they already, they already did it and it failed. It's like, I was it. Who? It's Paul.

It's Paul. It's Paul. The catcher in the spy. Yeah. The catcher in the catcher is a spy. Oh my God. I don't even want to know about what's going on on these game porn sites. Oh my God.

Oh, that is a horrible, horrible name. It's a terrible and it stars Paul Rudd as Moir. Again. Well, that's Paul Rudd. Yes. Okay. So that was the Paul Rudd movie. That was the Paul Rudd as Moir. Again, well, that's Paul Rudd. Yes, Paul Rudd. Okay, that's so that was the Paul Rudd movie. Oh, that was the Paul Rudd movie. Yeah, it's hot garbage.

Yeah, I watched him on 10 minutes of the fuck. Man, make another one then. Journal, they made two Steve Jobs movie center or Ashton Kutcher. He never should have been cast in it. No, no, no, no, he's not going to do it. He's like, the whole movie, the whole movie is just a no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Postcard was from none other than Werner Heisenberg, the proverbial big fish of Nazi nuclear physicists.

Whoa, this is a smoking gun. The postcard clearly stated that Heisenberg was in the pavilion Alps, scouting for a location for a new lab. And with a location in hand, also began formulating a plan to remove Heisenberg from the board one way or another. Get him! One way or another. Yeah, get him. One way or another. Meanwhile, back in France,

some of the other nuclear physicists stuck in Europe were spending their time day in, day out, avoiding Nazi capture and or death. We're about to get to the people who are in the shit. Which you don't want to do. Left the shit. Which you want to do there, zigzag. Everywhere you go, zigzag.

Serpentine. Serpentine, serpentine, serpent do there zigzag. Everywhere you go zigzag. Serpentine. Serpentine. Serpentine. Serpentine. Serpentine. Change up. Yeah. You're really going to need to do a change the way you go. Here I mean, if you're taking Elm Street, take Wisconsin Avenue, you got to find a way to move it around. Absolutely. That's true. That's how I avoid getting kidnapped every day. That's right. I forgot that you were constantly worried about getting kidnapped due to your small stature. Yeah. There's, you know know, the the roaming gang of children that follow Henry around with naps acts. It's what I just be like, oh, he'll fall. Don't worry. He will fall. I'm training them. They're training me.

Same time. No bagging it. Amy. Well, scientists, Frederick and Irene Jolio Curie, they'd been in the thick of Nazi occupied France working for the resistance, but the situation was starting to get too hot even for them. Yeah, because if you remember, they were running a cyclotron forcibly by the Nazis. The Nazis were making them do all of this research for them, and then they were intentionally sabotaging it as they went. And working for the resistance at the same time. And this is before the allies landed in Normandy.

Like this is Europe is still totally under Nazi control. Very interesting. Incredibly though. Even though they knew they had to get out of France as soon as possible, they delayed their escape for a month. So their daughter could take her bachelor's exam in physics. Wow, it's so strange that like real life things are still happening. Well, that's one of the things that people,

I think, really goes by the wayside when people think about World War II, is that Europe, yeah, I mean, a lot of, a lot of fucking people died, but life went on normally for a lot of people. Even in Nazi Germany, like for a lot of people in Nazi Germany, they skated through those, the 12 years of the third Reich,

and then they just came out the other end and nothing really changed for them throughout life was just kind of the same. My grandfather lost a million dollars. Sure. But there are plenty of, there's plenty others. Who just fucking skated through the mangle of corporation. What mangle on the other end still owning their tractor company. Right. It's really weird because they because I guess it's truly an America. We don't know what it's like to have a war walk through your country. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is kind of what so we don't understand that life doesn't just stop like this all like it all keeps going. Yeah. I mean,

we'll think of it this way. It's like if there's a war in which New York, like Washington, DC, Los Angeles, Seattle, all these places are bombed. Like if you're living in Cincinnati, I mean, you might have like less chocolate and you might have a hard time getting ahold of like certain goods, but overall you're still going to school. You're still going to work selling that fucking chili. I tell you what, though, those real estate that's going up. Oh, absolutely.

You have to, it's actually, it sounds like a kind of a solid plan in many ways to have super aggressive realtors. Yeah. Change the face of this country, using light and domestic terrorism. I don't know, escape from LA, escape from New York. I don't think that means escape to Cincinnati. Well, I would say, I would say a more apt description would be if Texas got bombed in like Austin and Houston or getting bombed, like Lubbix and Austin Houston

Lubbaker getting bombed. But if you're living in Abelian shit really doesn't change much. No, you know, nothing to bomb. Sad. Almost sad. However, the Jolio Curies leaving a month late, that actually ended up being their saving grace. By complete coincidence, the Jolio Cury family left Paris, for Switzerland, on D-Day. And since the Germans were suitably distracted, the Jolio Curies escaped. Had they left a month before, they undoubtedly would have been stopped at the border where they Absolutely would have been captured or killed down. Yeah, and because remember no one knew D. Day was coming I didn't know these new D. Day was coming. Yeah Now what's the allies firmly planted themselves on French soil and began marching towards the capital

The resistance in Paris turned up the volume and Frederique Jolio Curie, who remember, this guy's just a fucking physicist by day. He returned to Paris to join the fight. Wow. Using his scientific know how Jolio Curie made chemically superior Molotov cocktails by mixing potassium, chlorate and sulfuric acid with the petroleum to make the weapons that much more effective and deadly. I would imagine they would be stickier and they would make harder.

Yeah. Something that would just, oh, that's a bad way to go. Yeah. Oh, man. Well, armed with the Julio Curie cocktails, thousands of French police successfully defended themselves against German tanks after the police had barricaded themselves inside their own police station. But after that battle, Julio Curie received a message that it was finally time to end the fight. With France all but taken back by the Americans, Boris Pash was coming to take

Frederick and Irene Julio Curie to safety. Pash found Julio Curie in his lab, which was still covered in stamped swastikas, even though the Germans had all been chased out. I just don't, why do they do that? Why do the Nazis always got to, they always show up. It's like the first thing you do is change the decor. Well, it's because they are unoriginal. And what they want to do is they want everybody, they want to rewrite history. You know, we're going to get into that here in a little bit like how they truly try to rewrite history. But if they stamp everything with swastikas enough, then people will start to think, oh,

swastikas have always been there. Oh, that it's a conscious thing. Like, oh, the Nazis must have done that. It's got a swastik on it. Absolutely. It doesn't take long. Yeah. And with that, also had its first victory in their mission to secure a

nuclear physicist who'd been floating in the wind. Now, by the fall of 1944, the Manhattan project was still a little less than a year out from even successfully testing a bomb, and they still had no clue where the Germans might be building it or how far along they were. See, even though it was almost certain that the allies were on track for victory on the European front, an atomic bomb could still be a silver bullet of sorts for the Nazis. Of course.

Yeah. At the very least, if they didn't have enough to hold the world hostage, they could also use that atomic weapon to make the largest suicide bomb in history. You got that. And then, of course, as we know, with four mentioned Scientology, they're a fantastic film, Battlefield Earth leverage. They get the bomb.

That deal coming out to WWE would look a fuck ton different. Yeah. Oh, it would. And then there's also we're very concerned about just them under using radiation poisoning in general. Just like between the dirty bombs or just leaving uranium out, like you just would leave it and drop it off places because you know, there's no, you can't smell or taste the fuel radiation poisoning. It just happens to you. So it's there's a whole interesting chapter in the basketball brigade about the geologists that helped figure

out like how we could find out things are if areas were nuclear. Before we went to it, because they thought that they would just start throwing uranium places and poisoning our advance. As a matter of fact, I think this is a great job for a wild bill. A bill, one should go lick the mountain for a while and see if you get dead. Now, lickin'. What is lickin'? With your tongue, would you do with your life perhaps?

Kind of lingas. Okay, now this is, you mean my mouth penis. Yes, your mouth penis. Just go lick the mountain, see if there's your radium in it. Yeah, I guess I should because I'm just a shadow. And that's what became of those people. Yeah, it's not that. Well, to the point of the Uranium, it was known that the Germans were in possession of hundreds

of tons of the stuff. See, when Germany conquered Belgium, they gained access to all of Belgium's colonies. These territories included the Congo, which had the largest uranium mines in the entire world. But once Belgium was liberated in September of 1944, Pash tracked down a good amount of uranium, 30 tons. Wow. That's a lot of fucking uranium. That is a lot. It is.

That uranium was then sent to the United States where it was processed and funneling up. Yeah. Here's a fun little bit of trivia for you. Oh, right. That's the uranium that was used in the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. Wow! Now that's some fun trivia from... Wow, good.

From Belgium to Bodden Bodden to Matt to Los Alamos. Wow. Straight to Japan. That's where my homin' opa lived with Bodden Bodden. Really? Yes, I was many times in the Black Forest. It's very fun, beautiful forest., I was many times in the black forest. It's very fun. Beautiful forest. Gorgeous land, gorgeous land, actually. We'll actually get to the black forest here in a bit.

You can possibly reminisce a little. I had fantastic memories. We would go find castles. I do. Cool. Did I have a thing called I feel like because they went through it's the line that the user actually very similar to the Nazi rat lines that they use later on because America would also travel

to Europe via South America. Was very interesting. They have to go from the trampoline to freedom to bounce at uranium all the way around the world to get back to America. The problem was it was known that the Nazis had been in possession of a thousand tons of uranium. Okay. 970 tons were still unaccounted for. That's a lot. The mission of finding it was given to Boris Pash, who would take the rest of the war to accomplish that mission. Wow. So he's better than Hans Blix. Yeah.

Oh, my goodness. He's going to find that yellow cake, my friend. Meanwhile, the allies were also closing in on Werner Heisenberg. His secret lab was located deep within Germany's Black Forest. Uh oh. Oh. That's where bears can duck. He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the He's a guy in the

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He wrote it basically saying philosophically, I'm just a scientist. And these sciences, you can't attach anything to me, any sort of meaning to this science. And he did a whole like, it was like a 300 page book about why he was innocent. Well, you know, I do understand from a scientist perspective, I don't necessarily think that they have ill intent. They just want to, they just do it. They create the art or the science. They were making an atomic bomb. They were making an atomic bomb for the Nazis. I understand. They knew it was, they weren't making this in a vacuum. They knew exactly where the bomb was going.

Beauty of the black forest, more. The trees are very big. And there's little rocks you can climb. And there's a bunch of bugs. Oh yeah. Did you find any like allied bodies out there, like German bodies, like Nazi bodies? No, didn't find any Nazi bodies.

Like Nazi gold, like Nazi loot. Nope, didn't find any Nazi bodies like Nazi gold, but Nazi loot. Nope, didn't find any Nazi loot. There was a castle which was a cafe. Um, and find that. That's just a place on the side of the road. No, it was in the black forest, but yes, it was a touristy.

Yeah, but then there was other stuff. You have fun stuff, fun stuff. Fly from your place. Well, for the kidnap Heisenberg mission, the OSS chose a guy named Carl Eifler, who was pretty much the stereotype of the toughest nail, special forces, spy soldier, who snap necks and broke hearts all while being a family man. Well, the worst thing is, man, I loved you, and then you're going to go and kill me. Yeah.

You sort of like our little Swartz Nairn, true Oh, no kidding. Yeah, that sort of guy. This is like, I'm going to ask this to our audience. I'd stories LPL the gmail.com every single Arnold Swartz and Ager movie. There is a beautiful woman all over that man. Yeah. Can you imagine being kissed by Arnold Swartz and Ager? I feel like there is nothing less sexy. I think it's not about the muscles. It's about that big fucking face. Are you? He has no legs.

He has no legs. Are you holding up? No, I'm not holding up. I'm holding up. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Brogiboy and this is absolutely Brogiboy and can't breathe over here. No, Arnold Schwarzenegger is an iconic sex icon. Like, literally, sex icon. Yes. Are you going to come in? Am I literally insane? I'm coming. He redefined what masculinity is for an entire generation. This'm a cop. I think this is, well, that's so adorable that you guys actually think for one second, a woman is turned off by Arnold Schwarzenegger, a man who was only succeeded at every single thing he's ever done.

Yeah. And if he was allowed to run for president, would win. But masculinity has nothing to do with sexuality and sexuality has nothing to do with him succeeding. He's really an immigrant success story, man. Wrong. Another reason why he's hot. Side stories. L.P. No, you got your gins so wrong.

I mean, the body. Yeah, but the head. Come on. It's Arnold Schwarzenegger. He has no lips. He has no lips. I am not going to come. He is literally. He's literally one of the most. He's considered one of the most sexy human beings.

It's just. Wow. It's just wow that you guys would even think for a second to. Wow. Yeah, of course he has hot women. Yeah. Again, I'm not, of course he has hot women. Yeah. Have you, again, I'm, I'm not gay. He did. He did. He did. Well, Carl Eifler, he has made his reputation in a mission that seemed to be a full runner for quite a few future CIA operations. See if you can

tell a pattern here. Okay. In 1943, Eifler had led 10,000 Burmese citizens in hit and run attacks against Japanese forces. At the end of it, the Japanese lost 15,000 troops while Eifler had lost only 85. Oh, I don't see a lot of similarities there at all with what the CIA would later do. Yeah, I could be wrong, but it seems like I have to his mission was the template for using local forces to advance American interests, whether it be the CIA's early role in Vietnam as military advisors, the securing of corporate interests in South America for the United Fruit Company, flipping Iran to a theocracy, supporting Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, or any of the others in the vast managerie of CIA goofhmaps.

Don't forget about sit down. Don't forget about sit down. Don't forget about sit down. What is this? So 43, so it started in 47, the CIA. So yeah, we're right. They're just about to start fucking a bunch of shit. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to have to go and say, and say, no. Yeah, no, it's got nothing to do with that. Yeah, I'm going to do with that. They also do the whole bunch. I covered this on series, the Lavender Scare, where they lumped a bunch of gay people in with communist.

There was a bunch. The CIA started off hot. Yeah, they did start the new hot. But that's what I was thinking about because of the pride tweet that they had the audacity and tweet out the CIA. Don't worry, they're pride. But I was thinking because it's very similar to the Benny Gesserit plan and Dune, where they would go ahead and plant planets with archetypal religious stories that would work their way into their culture and then later on they would go to complete those religious

ideals in a way that was completely manufactured to gain control over the population. What does it have to do with Dune? Um, something. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I'm fighting a one man war against the state. It is me versus Florida versus my mother's girl. It's okay. Well, I think it, I think really what this is, it's a lot like as it went with rooting out the communists.

Many of the ways in which America fucked up massively throughout the 20th century and beyond, a lot of that shit had its roots in World War II because a lot of those methods worked at least once. And so they figured if it worked in World War II, it can work again. But the thing is is that we keep hitting our fucking heads against the wall over and over again, trying the same shit that worked in the forties and expecting it to still work today. It's also against like the most pure black and white enemies we've ever had. So it's like you all of the templates are incorrect. Yeah.

Like it's like they did all of this shit and it's like, no, World War Two was this one. What? Seven year period that was the actual that all of that shit was in play. And then that's it. But yes, we have just been we are are, we are just in love with ourselves. Yeah, there's still stiffen our butts about World War II. Well, hey, why not? We'll take it. We'll take it. I'll take a little butt sniffing on that. They say, uh, history. Four wars. We, but you know what? We've had four wars too. And isn't that important?

Isn't, isn't that important? Isn't it? How much money has been made? And isn't it better to have had a war and lose it? And it never have the war at all. But it does seem as if even if we lose, a lot of people seem to win. Yeah. Yeah. But either way, we're talking about Carl Eifler here. Yes.

After he was done leading the Burmese against the Japanese, he was sent back to America and that's where he met Wild Bill Donovan. Wild Bill gave Eifler the assignment of kidnapping Werner Heisenberg. Now, the plan put together for Eiffler began with a ruse, where Eiffler would pose as an American customs agent traveling to Switzerland. Okay. Once there, he would meet a team of commandos, break into Heisenberg's lab, knock Heisenberg out, smuggle him to Switzerland, steal steal a plane and fly back to England.

Why does this sound exactly like the plan from Mallrats that silent Bob has to get the guy very simple. Yeah. Okay. But this was veto by Eiffler because he also hated the British. Okay. To work with them. Man, these British guys, I don't know what they did to make everybody so mad. I don't know what happened. No one likes what they did during World War II. They none of them are happy with it. I think you were good. They tried Churchill was fine. No, I don't think he was funny. Is that stupid movie made him out to me? No, I mean, you know, and they were quite resilient, you know, during the blitz and all that. They were very resilient. Dunkirk was a huge. I mean, it was a defeat to be sure.

It was a huge defeat. Churchill massive. But every, it was a good story. Sometimes it's better. Sometimes it's better to have had all more of the, never had one. Remember the Alamo Churchill literally it peak war. Every day, 3 p.m. He had to dig a nap. Yeah. Every. He did. Yeah, he did. Hey, but that got him through. I didn't do anything. He's like, Bill Gates just bought the IP. He did not. No, he killed so many people. No, no, you got to smoke a cigar. You got to have that the bowler hat. Yes. The war was hard. I only had a nap for a half hour today. And yeah, but you know, he started every day with a sketch, drink a lot of brandy. Also more to my point, I can do that.

Kessel, I think that you should lower the rage and see more of yourself in Winston Churchill and how you one day be a true leader of men because that's all takes. I can't wait for the knock on the door when you guys are both there and it's called something like an intervention Because I've been channeling my inter-winter Winston Churchill by getting hammered Start sneaking red wine into my diet coke bottles Instead of the British plan instead of the British plan, I finished your tea,

therogen lips are just purple all day. This thing is they have no idea. I'm fucking hammered. Well, instead of the British plan, Eifler designed an even wackier plan where he would impersonate a German general after parachuting in. He would find a German general's outfit

and find it, he'd impersonate a German general than on brass balls alone. He'd kidnap Heisenberg and bring Heisenberg back to America himself. So what Chris Farley and David Spade is. Come with me if you want to live. Yeah. What come with me? Then one of the sexiest men alive, I will go with you and we can come together.

Come with me, little girl, I can snag it. I'm gross and misinterpretation of Arnie's accent, but, uh, Tommy boy, David Spade, Chris Farley had to get on that plane. I've got a plan. And then they, uh, they take the, uh, stewardess outfit there. What, uh, you know, it has nothing to do with this. It really is there. Is there is there an old lady taking a nasty shit anywhere?

Can you can you connect that to this story at all? Well, now you know I'm thinking prune brothers. That was a big part of that scene. Remember when Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, either way, it does seem and I don't want to, you know, again, it does seem like he's going to be racist though. Because you're going to go and you're going to try to be a German. I would love to see what he does as it just like puts sourcrout in his beard.

Just God. Oh, yeah. Now, an Eiffler asked what he should do with Heisenberg if the two of them were captured by Nazis. Donovan gave him full permission to shoot Heisenberg in the head. However, it soon became clear that Eiffler's plan was a bit far fetched, not to mention quite dark. So the operation was handed over to a group that included Moberg.

Oh, yeah, that's the thing. You're going to this guy and his only concern is about like, he's just excited to shoot somebody. And I know, like, because then he's sitting there because like, I can hold shooting. I'm like, yeah, we know. We know. We know. Listen, his head's right there. What if I struggle?

Like, you know, you know, you do, I sure a lot of options. We prefer him safe. But what if I drown him? If we get in the minute, if you can run a bath, tell him, I'm going to make him relax and then I kill him. You know, it's good to have that as an option. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, heading up that team was a Swiss physicist named Paul Sherer Co-named flute Flute had been friends with Heisenberg so he mo and another scientist named Samuel Goutz met Formulated a plan to meet Heisenberg at a conference in Zurich. Can you whistle when you talk like? Guys, please don't call me flute. I can't do it. But he could add a huge fucking cock. Oh, yeah. But skinny and long. Yeah. All right. Once they were at this conference in Zurich, they figured they could interrogate

Heisenberg on the spot or kidnap him or maybe kill him. But they what they really needed was to gain intelligence on the German nuclear program. What if I take a little bomb and I put it in a suit? He goes, and it's coming, and explodes. Is that another good idea? Another good idea? Let's try to keep them alive just for now. Yeah, to the job.

No. That, however, like almost all things also soon became unnecessary. Yeah. This whole thing is about unnecessary shit. That it just could have been cool. During the liberation of France, a treasure trove of documents were found at the Reich University at Straussburg, which was located right across the border from Germany. This Reich University was one of three whose main purposes were to spread propaganda and indoctrinate students in Nazi ideology.

Hmm. If the Nazis had won, this would be where Mingla would have gone to teach after the war. See, it's just like CRT, what they're doing with our kids now. It's just like that. It's just like Nazi Germany trying to explain racial disparities in the past. It's just like Nazi Germany. But so-called Aryan physics had been taught at the Reich University as well. What are Aryan physics? Is it different than other physics? It's different from just literally dumb shit physics. They did actually tell that like they told Heisenberg that he wasn't allowed to teach the Jew physics of Albert Einstein. He had to teach Aryan physics and physics.

It's physics. It doesn't know your nationality. Basically, they were not allowed to, because most of the Jewish population, the scientists community were the ones that created all the stuff by quantum mechanics. And that changed the face of physics, but the Nazis didn't like it because a Jewish person came up with it. So they were like, no, we use Euclidean physics here. That's all you can do, no, we use Euclidean physics here. Mm-hmm. That's all you can do. Physics. Perpetual motion. Drop a feather.

Well, one of the professors at the Reich University was the son of the Nazi Secretary of State. His name was Carl von Weissacher. And he regularly corresponded with Werner Heisenberg. Well, soon into the search, also scientists, Samuel Goutsmith found letters that contain Heisenberg's address and telephone number. Wow. Maybe don't put that on the letters. But most importantly, the letters clearly stated that the Nazis hadn't made progress on their nuclear program since 1942.

This is 1944. So this is like Brett Farve texting the governor of Mississippi, be like, do you think this is illegal? I mean, they literally they put it in. Like everything is fucked. We're totally failing. Anyway, here's a letter. Yeah, exactly.

That's exactly what's like. But the problem is that the groves was like thing about these Nazis. All they do is 40. Yes. And a lot, a lot, a lot. And you're like, yeah thing about these Nazis, all they do is 40, just like, lie, lie, lie, lie. And you're like, yeah, he's not incorrect. They're on this entire section of Manhattan Project. It's truly not to be it.

They were correct to, but they overestimated the Nazis. These a lot of people that it really assumed that the Nazis were like, just about to fuck up everybody at all times and that they were this like unstoppable machine, but they didn't really understand up to that point. It's like, no, actually, mostly it was a lot of like incoherent psychopaths and dweebs that just fucked everything up again and again and again from the inside out. But at the same time, the Nazis were also highly dangerous and very scared. Very, very absolutely.

And they're shit. What? I mean, the Blitzkrieg was fucking terrifying. You know, Yeah. And they didn't know that it's just a bunch of fucking meth heads and tanks, you know, which is even scarier in some ways. Yeah.

It's sweet toothed, you know, from twisted metal. Actually, we kind of still that's very now, very American. I have to argue that now it's just like, because you just let meth go. You know, I mean, that would be a great arm. Well, because general groves dismiss the letters as disinformation, neither the production of the bomb nor the hunt for Heisenberg slowed down for a second. Oppenheimer, meanwhile, wasn't doing groves as paranoia any favors. He started speculating. He started saying, Hey, you know, now that think about it, maybe the Germans aren't enriching uranium the same way that we're doing it.

Maybe they don't need these big factories that we're having abuse to build this stuff. Maybe, not really thinking about it, maybe the science is so new that this German atomic bomb could be built like anywhere like with which I'll be right. I'm gonna say you never I'll be honestly I don't need these shit right now. Okay. I am I really die just just I'm already just kind of I'm like doing a bunch of shit at once. But if you like think about it, I'm a general, not a specific. I don't know how to do it.

I don't know what else. I don't know what you're saying. You know, you think too much. I mean, I need you to just think this direction. I need you to just think in another way. But it is good to be scared. Keep you on your toes. It's war.

Yeah. It's fit to be scared. Yeah. But tragically for the also's mission scientist at the Reich University, they stumbled upon an entirely different kind of Nazi research in their quest for atomic knowledge. See, the Reich University had been the home

of Heinrich Himmler's Annenerbe institute, aka the legacy of ancestors. There on an air bay were the guys who... Oh, is that, that was not the new like add-on to elders calls? Yeah, I think so. It's a hundred dollar, 30 minute extra piece of land. But there on a Nerebae were the guys who went on archeological expeditions all over the world.

These were the guys that went to Tibet, the ones who went to Ukraine. These were the guys. These are Nazis? These are Nazis. These are Nazis. You're being here to doubt difficult it is to be a Nazi and Tibet because there's all these people being like, you don't have to do that.

The symbol is Buddhist. It's a Buddhist symbol. You don't have to do this. Literally, they did see a bunch of Nazi symbols, but they probably was just Buddhist. Well, I mean, well, that's, okay, you just kind of broke my brain and trying to explain that. Hmm. Hmm. Well, that's okay. You just kind of broke my brain and trying to explain that. Well, that's what they were trying to prove. I'm trying to untie that knot. I'm not sure.

Can Henry help me out? Basically, the Nazis were kind of banking on that, which is why they stole it in the first place. And then they went there to kind of backwards prove that everything that they said about being a Nazi was correct and that it was like this natural thing and it was this powerful force and it came from the universe itself. And that so they use that to retroactively. When you were seeing the swats of God, most of Europe did not know that it was this ancient other symbol. So then they would go and use this school to to cover all of these ancient things things and see, look, you see, no, we've always been there. These guys are all ancient Nazis. Yeah, they can go, they win and they, they measured like the noses and the faces and the

structure of Tibetans and to try to prove, because it's the thing is that these guys were high on their own bullshit. They believed what they were teaching. They were, all the shit was coming down from him. So they had to. Yeah, they absolutely fucking had. And they were there for also involved heavily in Heinrich Himmler's occult studies. All of this shit was tied in with the Thule Society.

But in their attempt to prove the racial superiority of Aryans, members of Himmler's honor and air bay mutilated and dissected human beings, and even kept a collection of Jewish skeletons sourced from the dock out concentration camp. Once the ALSO's team opened the doors to the Institute, the legacy of ancestors, they found severed human limbs left behind in mid-dysuction, and they were faced with giant tanks full of alcohol containing floating

human corpses. This is a scene from Mulfenstein. Yeah, it is. Mulfenstein and also House of a Thousand Corpses, Dr. Satan. This is just nasty. Yeah, well, most likely, those corpses have been a result of the polygol experiments. And these, a victim will be given a tablet of a substance called polygol, which was made from beets and apples.

Oh, nice. I mean, oh, so it's organic. This boy, so it can be sold in arrow on that bad at this point, but the victims would then be shot through the neck or the chest, or they would have their limbs amputated without anesthetic while they were still alive. All to see what effect polygol might have on blood coagulation. What affected it? I think it's beats an apple. Yeah, I don't, what, what's even the, this is the Nazi side? This is Nazi physics. All I know is if you take 15 of them, your poopo gives all crazy magic. I never know. Sometimes I forget that he took it tonight before. And then I was just like, Oh, shit, I'm have cancer. I'm he took it tonight before yeah, I was just like oh shit

I'm have cancer These corpses could have also been a result of the Nazis extreme pressure and temperature experiments Which rival the experiments performed by Japan's unit 731 in their savagery This was the type of stuff to see like how high can pilots go? How much frost can they take? How much heat can they take? Like these were some of these were, yeah, unit 731 type. It's the wet hands and the freezing cold temperatures being hit with the stick. Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. All those things are so nasty. Yeah. Some of the scientists saw this shit. They had to go home. Like, I like, I'll go home. Yeah.

Samuel Galsman had a mental breakdown. He just to go home. Like, I like, I'll go home. Yeah, some Samuel Galtzman had a mental breakdown. And he just had to, he just said, like, I gotta go home. Cause it's gonna go home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, Mo Burg is just going to like the thing is, that's why you got to switch pitch. Right? Yeah.

Cause at the end, your first pitch, you got to have that relief. Fitch. And that's what this has nothing to do with baseball, Mo. Nothing to do with baseball. No, all right. A severed hand is kind of like a catcher. Yeah.

Let me tell you how you got to do it. You got to be careful. Now right as Germany was engaging in their last ditch effort to drive back the Americans and push the British into the sea. That was the Battle of the Bulge. The Nazi media began suggesting that this was when they would finally use an atomic bomb, which would win the war in an instant. This was actually a genius bit of propaganda, because an atomic bomb would have been just

about the only way for Germany to win the Battle of the Bulge. The most capable German soldiers were by this time either captured or dead, and the army was near the end of their resources and equipment capabilities. The German people knew all of this. The Manhattan Project, however, wasn't taking any chances. They were still on the Heisenberg case. And on December 18th, Heisenberg gave a lecture to 20 fellow physicists, and the audience was Mo Berg, who had concealed on his person a Beretta pistol.

Oh, cool. Yes, he put it inside his giant, extravagant wing. And then he had a lasso inside of his beautifully lace course as he was dressed as the absolutely sensuous, velvety, Roberta, and his alien mistress, a propaganda.

No way, a former catcher for the white sucks. Ciao. I'm here to take you out on a date. I heard you like physics. Well, Moses Simon was simply to just kill Heisenberg after the lecture. We're not going to get him. We're not going to get an effort just just fucking kill him. But by the end of Heisenberg's two hour talk, Moberg just couldn't do it.

He was an murderer. Oh, come on, Mo, this is why you never won the big world series. Dude, do you have an idea how many assassination attempts were stopped against Celine Dion? Once she hid, it's all coming back to me now. And they're sitting there and they're just being like, I can't kill this incredible woman. Well, I just really hope that Celine's doing well. She has a severe illness. She does.

Her bones are turning, her bones are calcifying. Yep. It sounds like a horrific, horrific disease. I choose a random name. Yeah. Literally just, I just came from the ether. I forgot that she's got a real illness. Like, a real syndrome. I know, I know this. I'm sorry.

Is it locked in? I think she has like locked in. It's, it's, it's slowly becoming locked in. I wouldn't make jokes about her. It's locked in. It's it's but it's slowly becoming like that. I wouldn't make jokes about her Just I mean it's bad taste. I think it's horrible. It's almost like someone from Florida would say that Right now they're gonna they're looking for proper locksmith because she has locked out syndrome Which means she can't get back into her own life. Wow, and she's just watching it from the side It's really very sad.

I should have chose Michael Boobley. Yeah, Michael Bluebley. Hot down there in Florida, huh? Really hot, Jamie. I'm just Michael Boobley. I must sleep. I am on a band. I shot my parents got a futon on discount.

And I am, it's a slant. I'm sleeping at a 20, 25 to 30 degree slant slant like I'm like I am in one of those air presents. Well, I'm the side of a mountain. All right. I woke up pooled at the end of my own bed. That's good. I'm sore. I watched a bunch of I saw a bunch of pictures of myself at 300 pounds. All right. All right. I just need to move forward. Yeah, absolutely. You're having a rough go of it. I got to get out of here. Well, Mo couldn't bring himself to kill Heisenberg.

Oh, so he took a less violent route. Flute hosted a dinner party in Heisenberg's honor. And that was where a much simpler plan was enacted. Okay. They were going to get him drunk and see if they could get him to talk about the time bomb. That's so much nicer than killing them. It's like so much nicer. What if we could kill him? Literally Moberg is sitting there. Moberg is like, can we, all right, I'll put a bottle in his brain or we could have a party. Yeah. Huh. Feed him a bunch, get him drunk. Huh. I get to I get some Heisenberg's like, what about the other,

that's second ideas part. It did a party, but highsonberg was more interested in talking about Nazis and how they related to his beloved Germany. What air yeah, he's honestly pontificated again about why he's innocent. Yeah. After his tongue was loosened by wine, highsonberg said that the good people of Germany were being demonized. The Nazis, they was the last bullwalk between civilized Europe and this coming redhorn.

And besides Zennazies hadn't really done that bad stuff to the Jews. Yeah, really nothing more civilized than attempting to take on an entire continent. That is so civilized. No, he's a, he's a full apologist. Finally though, after all that blustering, Heisenberg admitted that Germany was going to lose the war. However, he still said, quote, that's been so good if we had one. That's it.

Yeah, but it would have been good if we would have one. That's it. Everyone's dead. And then you're a repudiate. But he would have been good if we were the one. Everything. He's the Sarah Jessica Parker of the Nazi party. Every single thing is about

He's all about him and what he's dealing with it all. There's like his Mr. Big and are they going to get back together? Aren't they? I don't know. I actually kind of feel like he might be closer to a Kim control. Oh sexy. Well, Heisenberg's thing was that he loved Germany. That he was there. He loved Germany a lot of things to do. He's got a lot of things to do. He's got a lot of things to do. He's got a lot of things to do. He's got a lot of things to do. He's got a lot of things to do. He's got a lot of things to do.

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It's like, love it. It's like, I love this carousel. Yeah, my mom's getting raped on it. But I love the carousel. Like, I just love the horses and I love the poles. Yeah, I'm getting taken aggression out on this mother. Mm. Yeah, just again, it was just a random relationship

that I assumed this is not written. I don't follow it. Right. This is just me making shit up in a room in Florida. A slow meltdown. A slow meltdown. It feels like a very rich. Yeah. I feel like I can't under the top lot going on in this episode. Well, in the end, Heisenberg still kept his wits about him to keep quiet about the bomb. Okay. And when Berg reached deep down once again, they said, if you can't get him to talk at

the party, you're going to have to kill him. He still couldn't do it. Mo. This is the one. I, man, he had a chance, but he has a chance to get one. He can actually get a righteous murder. Not easy to get one. He's off skills a righteous murder. Not easy to get one. He's a soft skills.

He's soft skills. He's a talker. He's a charismatic. He's a spy, not an assassin. And I really do think that there's an inherent difference because you got to, because I for was the assassin. If you wanted to get that dude has been thinking about different ways to kill this guy and fuck the hotel man.

Oh, man. Like, he is ready to go. All right. Right. I'm not ready. Now, after the Allies won the Battle of the Bulge, it was all but over for the Nazis. But behind the troops, overrunning Germany was Boris Pash, who was still on the lookout for those 970 tons of missing uranium.

Yeah. See, since the Nazis were kaput, Boris's mission was no longer about preventing the Germans from building the bomb. Rather, it was about keeping the Russians from finding the uranium. Yes, so quick the friend turns to an enemy. Well, by this time, Germany had already been split up into the four zones controlled by the Allies, and it was discovered that the uranium was in the Soviet controlled zone. Pash had therefore made it his own personal crusade to secure the uranium for America to keep it out of the hands of the godless communists.

Wow. And you know it's American uranium. They put a little flag on it and they listened to some good old fashion Carter sisters. Well, the higher up soon agreed and said to hell with the Russians. So unless then a week, Pash organized 260 vehicles packed with men who all worked together to steal 970 tons of uranium right out from under the Soviet snows. Where do you put it? Do they have jinkos?

How do you get all that out? They loaded it up into 960 trucks. Wow. They brought it in nine because you know, it's Germany in 1944. It's fucking chaos. Right. Everywhere. Yes.

Yeah. Now this of course made the Soviets furious because they've been planning on using that uranium ore for their own nuclear program. Oh, guys, come on. That was for our nuclear program. Yeah. And while it would be an oversimplification to say that Boris Pash started the Cold War, he does have the dubious distinction of being one of the men who fired the first symbolic

shots. All right. He was happy to contribute. Now, even though also was ultimately unneeded when it came to the Manhattan Project, because Germany had no chance of making a bomb. Mo, Boris, and the rest of the crew nevertheless ended up serving an important function. It was pretty much in the same ballpark as the mission to steal the Uranium. See when the war was nearing its end, also said already been on the hunt for members of

Germany's Uranium Club. So when the dust began to settle, the Americans were perfectly positioned to scoop up as many nuclear physicists as they could find. I just imagine it's like, you know, those things where you have to catch all the dollar bills. Oh, yeah. When they're shooting up everywhere, but it's just like, you know, screaming Germans, but you know what you do there. You would let the dollar bills come to you. Press your shelf against the wall. All I would do a mass around you. Yes.

Now, this wasn't necessary to the Manhattan Project because as opposed to our space program, the Nazis had absolutely nothing to offer us in terms of atomic knowledge. At this point, Oppenheimer's right on the cusp of building a working prototype. Yeah, remember yada yada yada, they've been doing a lot of science. We're the German still trying to like convert shit into gold. Alchemy. Yeah, weren't they like convert shit into gold. Alchemy. Yeah, we're they like, wasn't Hitler into Alchemy. Well, they were building the big, they had the big gun. Yeah.

I forgot, the V three. So they had that giant like what was supposed to be this meters long gun, the nine foot bullets. And apparently Hitler, what they were talking about is that he loved giant works. So like any time you told him that the most concrete've ever been poured in Eastern Europe, it's like he loved to hear that. So that's where he was focusing a lot of his energy because he said, get a dream. Fed first, get a dream that the V2 program wouldn't work. And so he halted everything because he had this dream. And Albert Speer had to like come and convince Hitler like he was the

quote unquote reasonable Nazi that would say like, Hey, we have to think about all of these things because, you know, it's kind of important. I know your dreams are great. It all we love. Everybody loves them here. But that's what they were pouring all of their resources in now was this thing of just sorry, because they were trying to one program they had was to attach a bomb to a tiny plane that would attach to a big plane so they could fly it across the Atlantic to drop the another plane to bomb New York because he was obsessed with bombing New York. Yeah, you really wanted a bomb to be arched. We're going to a big plane to drop a little plane that has a big bomb.

Mixed all the sense in the world. Well, the point of bringing the Uranium Club members to our side was that we didn't know what they knew. And if we kept these Nazis on ice, it would prevent them from being captured by the Soviets. This mission came to be known as Operation Big. At the same time though, general groves and the rest were starting to realize that those letters from Heisenberg that were found at the Reich University,

those were genuine. When also is caught up to uranium club member Walter Boehr, he proudly showed off the cyclotron that he just got and running by war's end. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Right on time, pal.

Also Operation Big 13 year old Mixed Obtained a boardwalk becomes a man and then is technically raped by a woman. Did she sleep with him or did she just feel her sex with him? And she thought that his boyish character was charming. He was a boy indeed. He was indeed a boy. I'd be fucking pissed. You really take the movie apart. It really is very sad. Also, there's another movie 13 going on 30. I don't there's something wrong with Hollywood. Yeah. So that's weird. Holly weird. They seem to love the 13, but like pretend they're older. Yeah.

It's back in the day. It was like 10 year, no, anyway, what's going on? I mean, I would say it's more to do with wanting to play to the adolescent fantasies of the audience that a 13 year old would like to see what if I was big and got to sleep with that woman instead of it being an indictment on their own personal, well, fantasies of being an older woman because there were really any older women that were in charge in Hollywood. Is it 13 year old? You was big.

It's fucking a nightmare. So you're just supposed to be an adult. But then you're not. So. Well, Samuel Goldsmith, when he was shown Walter both as cyclotron, he could barely stifle a giggle because what both of had built was an afterschool science project compared to the cyclotrons that have been developed back in America. Wow.

Even so though, the top priority was to track down Heisenberg's so-called uranium machine and ultimately Heisenberg himself, still in the wind. Now, after the Battle of the Bulge, Heisenberg's military exemption was revoked. Almost everyone left alive in Germany following the battle were drafted into the Volkstum, the people's militia. This is just old men, women, little kids. They were all expected to die for Hitler in a symbolic mass suicide. Throw yourself about that. How combat how big exactly

Heisenberg of course had no interest in doing such a thing. So he teamed up with his buddy Carl von Wiseacker to continue atomic research on his own in the middle of a war zone. Writing their bicycles through Germany and leaping to the side of the road to avoid bombs, Heisenberg and von Weissacher secured some heavy water. Then they biked the heavy water back to Heisenberg's secret lab that was in a cave near the village of Hagerlock. Okay. Their Heisenberg performed one last nuclear experiment, but it still fell short.

Although this was the furthest the Nazi atomic bomb project ever got, Heisenberg never achieved a fully self-sustaining chain reaction. In fact, he had never even built anything as good as what the American team had built in Chicago three years earlier, the pile. Wow. However, I did just realize something.

This is what he accomplished when he was left alone for two months. Two months. He's a left alone in a cave. And this is what he accomplishes. Imagine if he wasn't in the middle of a fucking morzon. Imagine if he hadn't been forced to go to Nazi dinner parties and rallies and all that other bullshit.

And they would have just left him alone like the Americans did with Oppenheimer. Put them in the desert and let them do his fucking sounds like the origin of Tony Stark and Iron Man by the movie's calculation. It shows one of the true inherent flaws that are why in the end fascism is a non sustainable government because when you're in that sort of idealog center, you can't get, like yes, a lot of people who are quote unquote, profacious believe it's because, oh, they make simple decisions. And then things can get done, quote unquote, but obviously, they fucking don't because they're all so in love with themselves that no one they can't get

anything fucking done. They just end up with massive blocks of concrete. That's what that was. Like it's all they had. That's what that's all I have. That's the legacy of the third right closed Germany. And you notice all the stuff that they quote unquote that they did on a mass scale was just pain, which is actually an extremely, we know we talk about destroying things much easier than creating something like it's, you know, it's, it doesn't take that much cleverness to create a place. It's a concentrated group of the place of pain.

Like this is something else. And then I just think Heisenberg's such a bitch. Yeah, he is a bitch. Yeah, it's a little statement about that Nazi. He's a, he's a bitch, but that does not mean he's any less brilliant. Unfortunately, but when it became obvious, I'm actually say it does make him slightly less brilliant. It does. I think, I think his choices it does make him slightly less brilliant. It does.

I think I think his choices show. I mean, as a person, as a person, it does make the whole, I would say in the whole pie. In the whole pie. Okay. Yeah. So he's less emotionally intelligent because he's a narcissist and a half a sociopath. Yes. But when it comes to pure scientific brilliance, he's one of the smartest men in the 20th

century. But he would have followed where the good science was and he would have went with all the other scientists who ran away. That's my other thing, a true good scientist would also say, oh, none, no good science has been done here. Yeah. Oh yeah, well, he was a bad person, yeah.

But he still, he wanted to have his, he wanted to eat his cake and have it too. R.I.P. Tech Gizinski. Is yellow cake. Oh yeah. You got so set. That looks. Another hero gone. What do we look to? tech is in ski is yellow kick. Yeah, you got another hero.

God. What do we look to? But when it became obvious that all was truly lost in the either the Americans or the Soviets were on their way. Heisenberg and his team hid their assets and abandoned the cave lab. Boris Pash soon arrived and blew it up. So cool. Yeah.

Then Pash began searching the nearby village for Uranium club scientists. There he found Otto Hahn with his bags packed. Yeah, he's just ready to go. Gotta go. I'm blue jeans. Love a blue jeans. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hahn directed Pash to 3,000 pounds of heavy water. The Eisenberg had hidden in a mill just in case he'd they had fucking cut up two tons of uranium into cubes and hidden and buried them in a field. And as far as their technical reports went, Heisenberg had hidden them in an active septic tank.

This is one of the greatest quirks of history. When the tank was open, the also's team found pretty much the entire archive of the Nazi atomic bomb project and what amounted to a big bucket of shit. Wow. That is ironic. It's so crazy. Oh my God. I'm surprised he didn't just dip his balls in it.

My news, that kind of parted it. It's too much digging the measurements. Absolutely. The state, a successful television show briefly. Hmm. Heisenberg, meanwhile, was surviving in the chaos. Yes, I remember the state. You know the state.

I'll dip my balls in it. I'll dip my balls in it. Ken Marino, yeah. I mean, they might as well, because nothing that we're doing was working. No. Well, Heisenberg, meanwhile, was surviving in the chaos of Germany only by the grace of God and through bribery. Since he hadn't reported for the duty in the mostly the bribery, mostly the bribery. Yeah. Since he hadn't reported for duty in the Volksturm, he was technically supposed to be executed on the spot for desertion. Wow. And

indeed an SS officer almost killed him for just that, but he was only stopped when Heisenberg bribed him with a carton of palm all cigarettes. That's all it takes. His life was a, his life was worth a carton of palm all. Yeah. Wow. Soon after Heisenberg arrived at his dilapidated family cabin in the black forest, that's where he found his furious wife.

Oh, she was mad at him. Uh huh. She was freezing starving and suffering from scarlet fever along with their six children. Well, go have fun with the talking bears and the coconut trees. It's not real. It is a magical forest. It really is magical and deeply haunted, deeply haunted. But when Hitler committed suicide on May 1st, Henry's birthday. Congratulations. Thank you.

It was all over because remember the Nazis, he didn't like the Nazis. He just loved Germany. Also often I'm her, as I said July 21st, my birthday, is your birthday involved in this story? I don't think so. Okay. I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know. I'm out. Okay. What a three and bad. That's not bad at all. Well, they were clinging to the hope that all Germans clung to at this point in history. Pretty much. Let's hope to God. The Americans find us before the Soviets do. I thought you were going to say, are they new for a fact? Do you knew for a fact that Hitler had lived and moved his way to South America? And he knew that eventually he would come back to create the ninth Reich.

And he once he hit 90 and he had robot legs, you'd be able to really orchestrate a new thing there. There does have to be somebody being like, there does have to be someone who's just like, what if they forget? Like, what if we just like, so show up for work like we didn't quit? Yeah. You know, a lot of actually in Germany, I've been doing a lot of research on it lately. And a lot of people in Germany did just try to forget you have to.

They just like, I mean, they all just like, they didn't, they wouldn't talk about it. Like, that's why you know, you got real weird in Germany in the 60s because their kids were like, Hey, so what were you doing between 1933 and 1944? And most of them are like kids came and they are almost universally everyone would say, you weren't there. You don't know what it was like. I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, as it went, Boris Pash was indeed on his way. The day after Hitler died, Pash arrived after following a rumor, only to find that Werner had just left to go visit his mother. Heisenberg's wife called him home and Pash made arrangements to have Heisenberg and his

family taken into American custody. After that, Pash soon collected the remaining Nazi physicists, which in the end became the lasting legacy of all-sos. They were successful in keeping every single member of the Uranium Club out of Soviet hands. Wow. And even though the Nazis were far behind in their atomic research, a mind like Heisenbergs could have easily brought the Russians up to speed if he'd had access to the intelligence that was being funneled out of Los Alamos by Soviet spies. Heisenberg, however, was still convinced that his experiment in atomic research was as far as anyone had

gotten as far as he was concerned, he was on the verge of a massive breakthrough. He was therefore excited to continue his work with the Americans. And as he put it, he was going to catch up the world on all this nuclear reactor business. All peace. Oh, wow. Thank you so much. It was only when the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima four months later that all the members of the Uranium club realized just how far behind they'd been. Wow. And it's with the testing and dropping of that bomb that will continue our series on the Manhattan Project. All right. Holy hell. Strange trip. It's been in next week. We're finally going to get to all that melting you guys have been asking for. What's a goal

dropping? Slossing. Sloughing. Sloughing. Sloths. Well, the slapping probably will come. Let's to be fair of slapping won't come until episode five next episode will be mostly vaporizing. Oh vaporizing getting super hot. You're going to be you're going to love it again. I have a this there's one whole book that says it didn't happen. And I don't know how. Yeah.

Why do you think this? So I'm going to go through this whole thing. It's very strange, but it's God, man. We're gonna get into it. This is when it gets real grizzly. You know what I'm guys, I'm putting my conspiracy hat on here. Not when it comes to this,

because it definitely happened, but moon landing, 50, 50. 50, 50, okay. I'm going 50, 50, 50. Oh, great. This is great. We have done so much work. And I know.

And I know, and I know, and I know, and I know, and I know, and so much. And I know asked for a week that you have literally just torn a part of one statement with Marcus sitting next to you on camera. We still want to do it to literally drag all of the markets agrees with me. No, I don't agree. I don't agree with you, but I'll meet you halfway. And you know how I'm going to do that 50 50 50. I'll meet you halfway. We did land on the moon, but the cameras, we lost the footage and so we had to recreate it.

Yeah, how's that? It's not real, buddy. It's me to boss Sim, please don't know. We know we do know. We do know, we really don't know. Because we simply don't know. If you go up to Buzz Aldrin and you say that to him, he will suck you.

I watched a clip of Buzz saying it didn't happen. Yeah. And that was on Instagram. And so that's like a male. So actually, I didn't know that it was on Instagram. My favorite small epilogue from this episode is that when the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Otto Han called Heisenberg a second raider. Oh, yeah. The highest in Seoul. You can give. Okay, everyone. In Germany. Oh, and also, Moberg went on to live. Like, he just, after the war, he just stayed in Europe and kept drawing a paycheck from the OSS saying,

like, yeah, you know, I'm getting to the Russians. And he just fucking gallivanted around Europe for a few years and then hired an architect to argue with the CIA until he died in his bed. Happy man and his last words were, how demets do today? Oh, I love it. And it's unfortunate that they lost.

Yeah. And Boris Pash just became an asshole for the rest of his life. He was just in the CIA. I believe that. All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening. Hope you're doing well. And we have anything that we want to talk about.

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And if you got a minute, don't make a bomb if you got a minute, hail me Come on, there you go now Try to try it on your way to the store, you know I told it just think about it Because you never know Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna do Haley seems like a strange thing to do after this episode Tire

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