Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 537: The Manhattan Project Part V - Frankenstein's Monster

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

This week... it's time for the sloughing. In part five of our series on The Manhattan Project, the boys reach the catastrophic moment that changed history forever with the bombing of Hiroshima and the... immediate, nightmarish effects it had on the unfortunate victims.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk on the left. That's when the cannonball some started. What was that? I was doing some research because a listener sent me a bit of information about FDR's final days So what you call masturbating now But apparently if the R at the time he had suffered from hypertension like I do Right, it's an actual disease. Wow, it's actually a level of stress the way that you say it sounds like a superpower
Starting point is 00:00:39 hypertension. I do feel cool, but it's not like it's not Tron because it kind of feels like I'm a guy from Tron But I'm not because I'm just like it's just sleeping illness. You could hang out with Jeff Bridges I could but he won't answer my letters. Yeah, we can all make our disorders like sounds super cool like back Attention deficit liper disorder Always late. Do are you always late? Do you stack things weird? Oh, that's hyper disorder. You have there, sir.
Starting point is 00:01:11 But if FDR's for a while, they thought a hypertension like blood pressure, and they thought of you at high blood pressure that it was like healthy. Yeah, it can man. You love that. It doesn't, you more blood was shooting around in the thicker way. And against America, they're all like production is excellent. You're telling me they made a nuclear bomb, but at the same time they're like high blood pressure. That guy's going to live forever.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Fantastic. But apparently at his death, which was not you won't let me use the word mistresses house. Because it was very complicated. It was more complicated than a mistress relationship. Yeah, because it, yeah, it says right here, it was his right hand woman. He could have used a two leged woman. Someone had a house that was, wow, I'm really nailed it. Nobody's safe.
Starting point is 00:01:53 Yeah, absolutely. Leave Missyla hand out of this. Gross mode. Again, Missy LaFete is what FDR was doing. Wow, you've really done it now. But if you look at his, I play his blood pressure apparently, the very end of his life was 350 over 195. Wow.
Starting point is 00:02:11 I wonder why he was so stressed. Welcome to the last part. He's saying everyone, bed hanging out with Henry and Marcus and Henry. You better reverse this trend of getting your blood pressure down. Pump it up. He needs you in office. Oh, yeah, man. you better reverse this trend of getting your blood pressure down. Puffing out. We need you in office. Oh, yeah, man. I got to put my goal is that by next year, my blood pressure will be so high that my,
Starting point is 00:02:33 the lights of my eyes are going to be crimson. Oh, that's cool. You don't even have to tattoo them. No, today's episode is going to be rough. All right. Well, let's get into it. The Manhattan Project, part five, it's reading like a be rough. All right, well, let's get into it. The Manhattan Project, part five, it's reading like a horror film.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Yes. Very much. I mean, this is Hiroshima. We're here. We're here. Oh, can you really finally? Oh, ah, Hiroshima. What a good place.
Starting point is 00:02:56 What a good place. As you can tell, we covered the episode of this is our life from the 1950s that covers Hiroshima. This is your life. This is your life. This is your life. They definitely cover just what a beautiful morning it was. Oh, that's not nice. Now, if you're American, it's almost certain that when or if you were taught about the
Starting point is 00:03:15 end of World War II, the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was framed as a necessary evil perpetrated to prevent the deaths of millions of lives, both American and Japanese. I don't remember being framed as evil at all. No, I remember being framed as if plumes of liberation went over to the people of Nagasaki. It's technically a holiday. Yes, they're like, and then they knelt down and thanked us. We had to be like, thank God, we needed to be spec'd.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Well, the bolster this argument, Atomic Apologist, often point towards domestic Japanese programs like the Tonarigumi. If you've listened to Dan Carlin supernova in the East, he really does talk quite a bit about the fervor within the country and how it's so from that perspective, you can kind of see like, Oh, they were, they were an intense bunch. They were very intense bunch. Absolutely. Just like everybody else, only more so. Yes. Dan, call us.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Please call us. Well, Turner is a rotary phone. Yeah, I was saying that again. What do you really do? We want to get in contact with him, but I think I have to send, attach a message to a pony. And he's in Michigan somewhere.
Starting point is 00:04:24 No, no, no, no, no, no. He's got a PO box somewhere in Washington state. Yeah. All right. Well, maybe we don't want to bother him. Well, Tonerigumi were mandatory groups of 10 to 15 domestic Japanese households that were responsible for ration allocation, government bond distribution, propaganda distribution, and civil defense.
Starting point is 00:04:44 Guys, show me on, I think I should be in charge of the rations. I just for me, for you, for me, for you, for you, we'll play the two for me once we're you get. You're the fattest man in town. Oh, additionally, by the end of the war, these Tonorogumi units had received military training to observe enemy planes and boats. Most frightening to the alarmist though was the fact that the Japanese Imperial government intended to draft the Tonaragumi as private militias in case of an enemy invasion.
Starting point is 00:05:10 And I think it was probably met with mixed results of some. I do imagine a good chunk of them were like, yeah, can't wait, yeah, kill him. Absolutely. And this does sound intimidating. It's almost frightening. When one took into account the tenacity and ferocity of the average Japanese soldier. Of course propaganda had made the Japanese a terrifying people to the Americans, but simply Japan was seen by America as a nation of zealots that were determined to fight the last man, woman and child for the glory of the emperor, all because he told him to. If we only had a cartoon bunny to take down these goddamn Japanese individuals,
Starting point is 00:05:48 to that here in a second. But here's the thing about the Tonarugumi. Their duties and responsibilities were almost exactly the duties and responsibilities thrust upon the American public during World War II. It's actually even more so, like the giant systemic version of pumping out multiple different versions of the Navy and the Air Force and the Army and again and again and again. We didn't mobilize our homes. We turned our entire industrial network into a war-making machine. It almost seems like that's a level of zealotry as well. What is that constitutional
Starting point is 00:06:23 amendment? Is it two, three? You can't harbor the soldiers. You don't got to harbor soldiers. I think it's three or four. But if you make everyone soldiers, then I guess you're not harbor and soldiers anymore. And that's reason why eventually with the what Airbnb is trying to do right now, make it illegal for you to even go to an Airbnb because we are all soldiers of light in the army of Christ.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Oh, you're unmilitarized Airbnb also. Really fun. Well, in this context, we're talking more about the people than the industry. For example, America had the office of civilian defense to help with domestic war efforts. Yeah. That's where we had like girls and the short skirts playing a softball. Right? Yeah. They're washing each other in a, in a brook. Yeah. Yeah. So you got the two riveters sysarin. Yeah. The OCD. Absolutely. Yeah, that's what it's all about. Right.
Starting point is 00:07:06 It's international police academy with nuclear weapons. I mean, that's kind of fun. Yeah. In America, rationing was an everyday part of life. And towns across America ran constant drives to cell war bonds to help with the war effort. And when it came to propaganda, ours ran so deep that Donald Duck was in charge when it came to beat the Nazis. Well, Bugs
Starting point is 00:07:25 Bunny fought the Japanese in a cartoon that had an actual racial slur in the title. I think that Bugs Bunny, he should have walked away from that cartoon. Well, if Bugs Bunny was his so-called American idol, he would have understood what this would apply to in history and he would have walked away. So in that case, Bugs Bunny is canceled. Yeah, I actually think they could have used Elmer against the Nazis. Except he did. The chance is a lady very similar to Harry Styles, uncanceled. Uncanceled, yeah. Well, that race is titled that's in addition to some incredibly harsh racial slurs used in the cartoon when Bugs Bunny hands out grenade filled ice cream bars to Japanese soldiers
Starting point is 00:08:06 Who are all portrayed as barefoot subhuman savages and also Bugs Bunny weirdly gets laid at the end of the cartoon Hey, interesting. He's in the army. You can eat that What? Grenade ice cream I just don't imagine a bunch of Japanese men pushing a little rabbit down the fucking it in a field. Oh, yeah, they would have been I spit on your grape times a thousand. I said, it also weirder the idea of a little actual rabbit dressed in a human lady's clothes
Starting point is 00:08:35 right being made love to by POWs from World War II. And this war has been directed by John Waters. Now that is a riveting Rosie. Yes indeed. But what scared Americans most about Japan were the militias. It seemed otherworldly to some Americans. We were infected by the militias. I don't even want to.
Starting point is 00:08:55 We're not even going to talk about that. It's in our fucking constitution. We're supposed to have one. You know, I heard those savages get together with fire arms and talk about overthrowing the government Anyway, what are we doing? Firearms over this might not be a good episode for July 4th weekend But really this is all about cultural differences the cultural difference between us and the Japanese is that the Japanese difference between us and the Japanese is that the Japanese formed and ran their tonner regumi units with complete obedience, which was such a foreign concept for many Americans
Starting point is 00:09:30 that it sort of freaked us out where the Japanese followed orders. Most Americans had to be dragged kicking and screaming into any effort towards the greater good. And they saw anything to the contrary as un-American put another way an American man in the 1940s might say, yeah, I'll kill as many people as you fucking want. I'll shoot him, I'll blow him up, I'll burn him to death, I'll do whatever the fuck you want.
Starting point is 00:09:52 But I'll be goddamn, if you're gonna tell me that I can only eat two potatoes a day instead of three because it's not God giving right as a fucking American. Do the eat as many goddamn potatoes. Is that fucking awesome? Somebody's saying my language. Ah, yes, they are actually correct. And Mark, as it seems to me as if you call this the greater good, seems like what's that on your tongue a little bit of leather from looking all those boots?
Starting point is 00:10:11 Interest in greater good, the Newtuler Brown! By the wax upon the shoe. I believe we can upon a little bit of the old patented bin kissel, contrarianism on purpose. A little bit of the old patented bin kissel contrarianism on purpose. A little bit of the old misunderstanding something on purpose. Sometimes it's, I guess this politician nature is showing it's. I mean, it's reported. I also, it's interesting though, because this is how propaganda serves its purpose.
Starting point is 00:10:41 Yeah. Because we have alienated these people in our minds. We have now, as an American people, we're saying, oh my God, this like this pack of relentless maniacs, we're never going to be able to beat these guys. We have to stop them out until, we're going to have to kill every last one of them. When, don't you think that maybe some of them felt the same exact way that we felt. Yeah. When they were forced by gun to go and sign up for these various things, they talk about that with the kamikaze community too.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Like yeah, a lot of them felt duty bound, but it was that duty bound that made them, they made the go do. They were men of honor that wanted to honor this oath that they took to the army. But a lot of them were not hyper enthusiastic. Can you have a kamikaze community went, uh, went, they all sort of slow and like, where's Darrell? Where's Darrell? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:33 You guys go kamikaze. Yeah. There he is right now. It's about adding new members constantly. Yeah. It's a bit turnover on members. Hi turnover rate. You know, it's a, there are, because they were like some of them were trained to go and
Starting point is 00:11:46 then didn't go. So you had guys that were all ready to go and didn't get to go and they have on all of the letters. A lot of them are like, gee wish I didn't have to do this. Yeah. Oh my god. But if I don't do this, I go to military jail. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Well, yeah, perfect propaganda from cartoons to military to, uh, to, uh, you know, news reels, everyone's getting hit. Yeah. And it goes even further than that. I mean, eventually most Americans when it came to rationing and so on and so forth, most Americans fell in line after America brought in a daddy named Leon Henderson. Leon Henderson. Leon Henderson pissed off people so bad and being very, very strict about rationing that
Starting point is 00:12:26 in retaliation, a large number of solid, greater good, New Deal programs were repealed and never brought back. If you ever ask, what happened all that cool new deal shit? Yeah. This Leon Henderson, he pissed off people by being really hardcore with rationing, pissed off a bunch of people. The Democrats went out of power. And so all of that new deal shit got repealed in the midst of World War II and the aftermath world.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Mark, now that you love rationing so much, you'll be happy to know that certain members of our government are going to stop school or launches for free. So there you go. We're going to ration. The kids are going to have to ration a little. You are purposely, you are absolutely misunderstanding us. You're a misunderstanding I am because I'm sorry for prison. I
Starting point is 00:13:08 They'll think mark is fully misunderstood. Oh, no, no, the only thing Marcus likes about prison is the ability to read uninterrupt That you would actually run the only nice unfortunately. I have a hard time concentrating when I am in a constant state of terror No, no, you would be in the constant state of loneliness you know, you'd probably have to be because you're sensitive. You'd be always with all the extra. But I always feel like it's a fogal, charred fogals of the world. So you wouldn't have time to read. You'd be alone in a cell. That's a thing. That's a problem. Is it people like us? Because I would also probably be isolated immediately because I'd be like, get me out. Get out. Get out. Get out, get it. Oh, I'm supposed to get myself a man to get it. So they would probably have to put me in isolation,
Starting point is 00:13:47 but then who are we spending our time with? Just guy being like, you know, I'm made of thousand angels. You know, I see my angel connecting me. You better set me up. You're like, yes, absolutely. And he just got his tapestry of calm
Starting point is 00:14:01 and he just turned into a spider web and you have to go like, oh, wow. Oh, oh, all right. Well, the point is is that what Leon Henderson did, it worked without rationing, without putting all the rubber and all the metal and all the scrap metal
Starting point is 00:14:19 and all that shit and turning our entire industry into a war machine without that, without being forced to do that, we would not have won World War II. We would not have been as effective of a force as we actually were. And after the fact, the so-called greatest generation pretended that they'd all come together for the war effort immediately and without complaint in order to bring back all boys as soon as possible. But no, Marcus, you're not fucking do that. You're going to diss the greatest generation right now, I've hold on a second. Yeah, Mr. Brokall. Mr. Tom Brokall.
Starting point is 00:14:48 They fucking out. He fucked up. He didn't do his job. Yeah. I'm coming for Tom Brokall. I'm just saying the greatest generation isn't as fucking great as they make themselves out. I like this. I like it. I like it. I can't. like Know what I'm saying. I got my fucking Kevlar panties on it's straight fucking propaganda that is still in effect today It's one of the great myths or two dying Marcus World War two vets are left 12 Yeah, there's no matter yeah, they were just kids screwing into, literally like putting with a one last screw into a jet. At this point, every world or two of that, my family's fucking dead.
Starting point is 00:15:29 It was my job as an 11 year old boy to kiss all the pilots before they left. No, but it's true. Like, it's another myth that we are still dealing with now. You can see the repercussions now of like, it just seems it, it's just real difficult to get a tired island nation of individualists together to do something. You have all of America, this massive swat, huge size, all different types of population
Starting point is 00:15:57 and having them all try to be both special stars that each one is their own, you're, you're yes, your own god, your own master, especially little universe, which I do believe in, but it's really hard to get them all to then agree to help each other. Yeah. Because they are, they're naturally against it. Yes. They got a weapon of mass destruction. What is all they do just that?
Starting point is 00:16:17 Yeah. Because the keyword was mass mass. Yeah. And then bring up all this propaganda for a reason because it was America sustained propaganda efforts that made both the dropping of the bomb and it's later similarly mythical justification possible. In the most basic terms, the government framed the argument as a false dichotomy. If you are against the use of the atomic bomb, then you were four killing Americans, no middle ground.
Starting point is 00:16:41 That's how they do it. That's what they do. And for many, this dichotomy only gained strength after the horrors of the atomic bomb became public in 1946. They doubled down. In fact, one poll said that a quarter of Americans wish that we would have dropped more bombs on Japan. The greatest generation. They're the greatest. They're the greatest. They're the greatest. They're the greatest. They just wanted to, I don't know. They liked the cloud. They also saw it on TV. They're like, I missed that one. Could we get one with a better footage? It was a little great.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I mean, my entire point is that you don't need to mythologize, but you don't need to mythologize older generations, older times. Humans have been the same forever and always. And we will continue to be the same forever and always. And it's not until we fucking accept that that we can truly make change in this world. Or maybe we're forced to be jammed together by AI. It sounds like it is truly coming down the pipe, whether we like it or not. And you see that robot playing tennis. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Well, I mean, you remember in the immediate aftermath of 9-11, you remember during the worst of the Iraq war, nuke the Middle East became a popular refrain amongst many citizens. At least maybe that was just in Texas. I don't know if you got that Texas. I definitely remember killing everyone that may be close to death. I would honestly say I was in 1969 in my mind during those years.
Starting point is 00:17:59 So I wasn't really there. So you were five years old. Oh yeah, I was thankful for you for your non because of all the groove itunes. It came out of the man. Yeah, yeah. It would be funny to see with that with a bunch of sticks in it in college. His via that. We're the via con.
Starting point is 00:18:15 Yeah, they love me. Yeah, they did. But while many Americans knew that atomic warfare was quote quote, unquote, bad or at the very least distasteful. You know what? That's the biggest. That's the biggest takeaway. The full scope of what exactly the bomb did to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it
Starting point is 00:18:36 isn't common knowledge because it's just too goddamn horrifying for most people to handle. It's sort of like how everybody knows about, you know, the big serial killers, the big three, because you can kind of gloss over the details and it's still a good story. It's the reason why people don't know about the Chicago Rippers, because it's truly just pure horror and they don't want to hear it. Oh, yeah, they just did a, they just released the transcripts of the toolbox killers that they're talking about, they recorded one of their murders and you see the detail within it. And it is extremely horrific, but it was like when we were going to do an episode on the toolbox guys, we went to go into, do going to all the research for it.
Starting point is 00:19:16 I was like, there's nothing here. Why can't I find anything? There's been no definitive real anything. And so then that thing came out and you're like, oh, it's because it destroys your soul. Yeah. Like reading the content that's happened. Yeah. It makes you half a human for it after. We will cover that at some point. Like, yes, maybe. I don't know. It's Chicago. Yeah. Sadly, like the Chicago rippers is, is that story? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But to the point of not being able to handle the truth, if the average American truly knew
Starting point is 00:19:46 just how awful Hiroshima and Nagasaki really were, then our image of ourselves as the saviors of humanity after World War II, that gets greatly tarnished. And as we know, World War II is pretty much all we have to be proud of when it comes to military operations over the last 80 years. To the point where assholes are still wearing t-shirts to this day that say America back to back world war champ. But no one ever says that about like the the white socks. The white socks like one like two world series like 50 years apart like we can't see that if they did they would be t-shirts about that.
Starting point is 00:20:20 I would say you don't go back to like, you know, the sports achievements of the 1940s. You know, people aren't really holding on to that anymore. Yeah. Lost four roars in a row to villagers with spikes. Where's that? Yeah. A lot of people taking credit for something they'd had no part of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't go like four for four South American coos. I mean, technically we would be, so we got the two wars. I do want that shirt. I fucking want that shirt.
Starting point is 00:20:48 I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say,
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Starting point is 00:21:02 I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, That's neutral Vietnam you could say lost, but we'll just say tied. We lost Iraq war one message sent. So I'm going to give that a big I rock or two that's going to be that was more of a that's a slow roll out. That's a slow roll out in the afghan. Yeah, we're about two for work two one and three. We're two hundred three right now.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Yeah, I'd say I would say one, two and three. Can I ask though as a comedian? Can I just ask this in the middle of this before we start? Cause obviously we're gonna get some really heavy material here. I sure do. There's gonna be some of the most intense shit we've ever talked about in the show. Yeah, and I, you know, like, I'm a silly guy.
Starting point is 00:21:34 I'm so like, you know, I'm gonna try to make jokes. But I do feel like in many ways, like I feel like comedians should be treated like medics in the war. We should be able to wave a little flag. It says, I'm a comedian, this is legal. I'm illegal for me to like, oh, I just sometimes, you know, because when I mess up, I get an angry email, right?
Starting point is 00:21:54 I mean, but you know, because you can still take shots because like, you don't think that I'm medic at some point because medics, you're not supposed to shoot them. You don't think I'm medic every once in a while. Did you shoot a fucking Nazi in the back of the head? Well, yeah, I mean, I sure they did. Well, once you got to a certain point in the head? Well, yeah, I mean, I sure they did. Well, once you got to a certain point in the war, like, yeah, the medics, especially in Japan,
Starting point is 00:22:09 like on the Pacific. That's kind of cool for that. And the, no, they were absolutely fucking horrified to do what they did not want to do it at all because they became medics specifically so they wouldn't have to kill people. That's so, yeah, I always get, I always get, I always waste all these bullets.
Starting point is 00:22:20 I always get into medicine when I don't want to see a bunch of gore. I mean, like, yeah, we did take down the Germans from the West while the Russians took it from the east. We conquered the Italians. We stormed the beaches at the Normandy. We live right in France. We're the conquer of the Italians.
Starting point is 00:22:33 We're the surprise. You show up at 3 p.m. Oh, the Italian, the Italian front was actually, because you know why, craggy, real craggy land, real hard to take. Like, that's where my grandfather was. Yeah. But right at the end of World War II, when we could have come out clean, we not only committed war crimes, we invented entirely new war crimes when we really didn't have to.
Starting point is 00:22:57 That is the wartime equivalent of someone coming up to me saying, so what are you working on next? What you working on next above and beyond. That's America. And so without further ado, let's get into those war crimes with all return to the city of Hiroshima. Just why you laughing? They were fucking war crimes.
Starting point is 00:23:15 They're war crimes, Henry. Why are you laughing? This episode of War Crime brought to you by Better Health. Yeah, better health. If you had your Nestle into this morning, when you were waking up and you want a good Jimmy Dean breakfast, never forget there's brought to you by better hell. Yeah, better hell. If you had your Nestle into this morning, when you were waking up and you want a good Jimmy Dean breakfast, and never forget there's brought to you by Warcraft. And then I saw the mushroom cloud.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Oh, it seems like you need a sausage that can cheese biscuit for Jimmy Dean. Bye from North way. We're rejoining this story just as the little boy, bomb is slowly dropping by parachute on its way to change the course of human history. And the fact they put that spinny hat on it. I just thought that was rude.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Okay, I'm done. Now, B29 super fortress planes, the kind that dropped nukes, they weren't an uncommon site in the skies of Hiroshima. This area was often a rendezvous point for B29s on their way to fire bomb other cities. But even though Hiroshima hadn't been fire bombed yet, the air raid sirens still went off every time a B29 was spotted. Just in case they decided to fire bomb this time. And by the morning of August 6, 1945, since so many cities had been fire bombed over Japan over the previous week, the citizens of Hiroshima were fri, because they'd been woken up every night for weeks by air raid warnings. But with
Starting point is 00:24:30 every warning, the fire bombing that had ravaged so many other Japanese cities hadn't come. So the people of Hiroshima began to think that maybe they'd be spared the fate of cities like Tokyo where over 100,000 people had been burned alive. Can I just say this? Let me sleep. Oh, yeah, don't wake me up. Just let me sleep. I'm going to die in my sleep. Please don't wake me up. Now, Japanese intelligence had been tracking the movements of the plane carrying the atomic bomb bound for Hiroshima.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And they knew enough about recent breakthroughs in nuclear research to surmise that just three planes grouped together rather than hundreds out there on a bomb run, that implied there might be a surprise in story. Oh, yeah, and especially it had been kind of, how do you say loosely floated, yeah, that we are working on a brand new super weapon. And it seems that, oh, well, the United States keeps building these giant air force spaces right next to us in impromptu and real quick. And then there's all these supply chains that are showing up and a bunch of new shoulders
Starting point is 00:25:32 all these other things. And so they're at first they're thinking, oh, they're coming now. They're going to come do a full scale invasion, which is why originally they're starting to kind of like they would hide in the mountains. They would send soldiers up into it and they would bury themselves in these sort of like a kind of what they learned when we talked about Ewo GM. Ewo GM. We had to they would go and hide and pop out and get you, right?
Starting point is 00:25:53 Like once you were to pass them, but that was that what was coming. No. But even after intelligence informed the Imperial Japanese Army of the Anola Gays trajectory, that was. You know what we forgot? Someone brought up to my attention. Benola gay. Oh, please.
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Starting point is 00:26:26 Hear me out. Kisal knocked. Honestly, that's your tour. When you do your full stand is the night of the night, doesn't that just be the night of the long jokes? You know,
Starting point is 00:26:42 well, even after intelligence said, Hey, there's this bomb coming. The generals chose to not only keep their fighters on the ground, they decided to not warn Hiroshima in any way. And really, we don't really know why. Were they complicit? I was, I was reading a thing. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:59 No, no, no. We just don't really know why. Like, there was just a some arbitrary decision was made. This is a question. This is one of those many questions of history of like they did know that something was hyper unusual about this fly over three planes and they had hours notice. They could have scrambled planes to intercept. They didn't and this is kind of where I got into my little, you know, Dick Cheney him laughing
Starting point is 00:27:24 like a matching an American flag draped over a globe. Like I feel like there was a little bit of that where they might have felt that we can further our position in life if we kind of take this one on the chin maybe. Like there's something to it or they just didn't want to acknowledge it. They just straight up were like, we're just going to pretend we're going to stick our heads in the sand. I think it was probably I think most likely at this point, the Japanese air force is running pretty low. And the B29's like another name for the B29 is the super fortress because these fuckers were intense. They weren't just made to drop bombs. They were made to fly through the air and kill everything in the air around them so they
Starting point is 00:28:09 could drop bombs. So if you're sending out, you know, planes, you don't know what the fuck they're there for. You don't know what they're doing. They might just be on a reconnaissance mission. You don't have a whole lot of planes to spare. But they also refused to believe that the Americans would be able to build a bomb. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Additionally, when the Anola Gay came into a heroish-imiss site from the ground, when someone eyeballed it, no air raid signal was given because the men responsible for giving the go ahead were at breakfast. Now, this isn't quite the dereliction of duty that one might expect. I don't know this for sure, but knowing what I know about American fire bomb raids on Japan, morning was probably a time of relief. Once the sun came up, the danger was gone because American fire bombings always happened at night.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Because it's harder to fight back. And then when the smoke emerges, all that kind of stuff, it's harder to, it's harder to see the planes in the sky. Yeah. A cover of night. As such, a 14 year old girl named Yoshioka spotted the Inoula gay, but was forced by protocol to sit there with her finger on the air raid button waiting for the order to be given.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I see a man, his long flowing orange hair. It's wide, cardiganed arms spread wide, and it does seem to be several cylinders of green coming from his gut. Oh, what a sight to see. Come with me a little girl if you want to live. The plane garbled. I smell the smell of scotch and I see the indents of PlayStation buttons on his Play with Jordan love as a matter of fact.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Also Diablo four. Surprisingly fun. Are you getting into the grind? I can see a getting into the grind. I'm a I'm on the final fantasy 16 right now. I like to think all of the horrible the victims of Hiroshima. I think I'm playing Diablo for. Now the fact that a 14 year old girl was in such a position tells you a lot about Hiroshima as a city. While the Americans were telling themselves and telling everyone else that Hiroshima was a pure military target and therefore fair game, the reality was far from it. Even though
Starting point is 00:30:11 23,000 children had mercifully been evacuated outside the city a few months earlier, so they might escape a possible fire bombing. There were only about 43,000 soldiers there, which is a lot. 43,000 is a bunch, but it's far civilians quarter million. Yeah, they just let them all behind. So it was the ratio for military personnel, the civilians was quite low. Also, you look at a country low on resources. What do I know from Civ 6? Is that when cities get bombing and then populations increases across the other cities,
Starting point is 00:30:45 the resources for the other cities go down. So you can only spread the people as far as where the food is. So if you don't have any food, it's going to be hard for you. A bunch of extra, an extra 250,000 people to show up at your city. It's going to be extremely difficult to house and feed them. Absolutely. Even just those 23,000 children, like the stories that they tell is that they mostly starved out there in the country.
Starting point is 00:31:07 They had very little rations. They were lucky to get like a ball of rice a day as far as what they could eat. Like everybody in Japan is fucking starving at this. Right. Now by the time 14 year old Yoshioka finally heard the go ahead buzzer to push the air raid button, it was 813 AM. This gave the city of Hiroshima two minutes to prepare before a little bomb detonated 1900 feet above the city center.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Hold on, hold on, show me your tits really quick. I can't get hold of. You know, I was, I really fucking wrote that like as a way, like I was really trying to get some sort of like tension. I was like, I'm just gonna spread it with a vibe. Like something that was really like, she's taking it like, it's like I worked on it for like a couple of hours.
Starting point is 00:31:50 And that basically just, you just really don't just like, and all the work I do, this is gonna be fantastic. I'm gonna end with a love making jokes here. Crafted, it was just like, you know, crap really crafted, you know. And then I feel like,
Starting point is 00:32:03 I feel like if I had two minutes left, I would just turn down when any woman was next to me. I'm like, let me just see your boobs. Let me just see your boobs. No, sorry buddy, this is, you asked us to be part of this. Maybe Mr. Karlin needs a co-host. Maybe I should call him up. Ben and Henry were fucking a viscer in each other.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Ben and Henry were just two normal people. Only more so. You guys would hate each other so fucking. I think that they'd get along. He'd think he'd look at us. I think he might embrace some levity. Yeah. I think he I think he Marcus and him would say,
Starting point is 00:32:41 like a thousand times. As Dan Carlin. Of course, Dan Carlin can well actually you all. Oh, absolutely. No, no, Dan Carlin is a far superior being to I. Do you want to come to serial killers? No, not when it comes to serial killers. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:32:54 We'll go get him drunk. We get a good fucking hammer and see what he does. All right. Okay, do it seriously. We can keep we will, but I want to make my joke. All right. All right. This gave the city of Hiroshima less than two minutes to prepare before a little boy
Starting point is 00:33:08 detonated 1900 feet above the city center. Immediately upon the bomb's detonation, a tremendous flash of pure, silent, white energy blasted its way from the epicenter, and less than one- of the second, 30% of herotium was population, 80,000 people were simply gone. A man sitting on the steps of a bank waiting for it to open was reduced to a dusty black outline on the granite, and the skin on people, even as far away as the suburbs, was dark in several shades, save what parts of their bodies were shielded from the blast. For example, say you held your hand up to your face just by instinct. Everything around the shadow of your hand would have been darkened, but the skin shielded by your hand would stay its normal shade.
Starting point is 00:33:58 These markings came to be called the Mask of Hiroshima, and they persisted for months afterward. So weird. You sent like a chill up my spine. You the idea of like, because the mask of Hiroshima does sound like an incredible spa, but not really. It's not good. No, no, no, no. It's so, the mask is the shadow out of your hand.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Of your hand. Well, why didn't you to road the hand? Well, because he does physical block the energy like waves. Because this is the power, remember, this is the power of the sun like waifs, because this is the power, remember, this is the power of the sun. They have unlocked the power of the sun. They have basically opened up a sun in the middle of Hiroshima. So what we're talking about here, it's a sunburn, but it's the most intense sunburn.
Starting point is 00:34:38 You could pass a sunburn that will start in your skin for five months instantly. Yeah, cook you. It's cooking you. And then you'll see because they talked about it in the testing. They said that when they tried to, you couldn't block the light if you wanted to. Where it was like, Fred, who said it was like they saw it, and they saw it free like through the glass. And that was Richard Feynman.
Starting point is 00:34:58 It was Feynman. He saw it and he said that the only way to describe, it's like things went white and he's like, I'll never see again. Obviously, he thought he wouldn't completely blind, but he said the difference only way to describe it's like things went white. And he's like, I'll never see again. Obviously, he thought he went completely blind, but he said the difference was instead of it being black is that it was white and that it burnt everything out of his way. He's like the light was so all encompassing that it felt suffocating and like a nightmare. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Well, for those unlucky enough to have spotted the Anolage that day and we're staring at the sky when the bomb went off, their retinas suffered third degree burns, rendering the central portion of their visual fields permanently blind. Those who didn't directly see the bomb go off at all, however, had their own terrors. A college girl who had been facing away from the bomb when it detonated said that she felt as though she'd been struck in the back by a large hammer and then was immediately doused with a pot of boiling oil. Now while some, like the man on the bank steps, were vaporized, most within a half mile of the blast were reduced to thousands of small piles of smoking black char. These were effectively melted bone, pure charred bone, because all of the
Starting point is 00:36:07 viscera in these bodies have been boiled away in a fraction of a second. I don't know if you saw a j crew is doing a joy for the sale. Yeah, it's actually kind of great. It's like 25% off. So just so you know, I just remember I'll remind you before that. That's really fantastic. Thank you for that reminder. After the flash, however, came the shockwave. At the speed of 7200 miles per hour, the shockwave traveled from the center with such force that it shattered windows 10 miles away and was felt at a distance of 37 miles away.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Because within the radius of the blast, a lot of them said they couldn't hear the sound of the explosion. Yeah, it was silent. It was silent, but you could hear it like a thousand miles away. They said that fishermen saw it on like up the side of the coast. They just saw this thing go. And they heard the explosion, like moving faster than the speed of sound.
Starting point is 00:37:01 So you just saw it explode. But the sound was already passed. It's already passed. Oh my goodness. And Hiroshima, however, the shockwave demolished two-thirds of the city's buildings as if they had been cut down by an enormous size, shredding the people inside their homes with broken glass or ripping apart their bodies with the flying debris. Finally, though, came the fire. And less than a second, the bomb created a fireball that expanded to 900 feet, and the resulting firestorm eventually destroyed everything within 4.4 miles of ground zero.
Starting point is 00:37:36 The Inola game, meanwhile, was trying to get as far away from Hiroshima as fast as it possibly could. To avoid getting caught in the blast pilot Paul Tibbets had to get clear within 43 seconds of the bomb's drop from the bomb bay. As soon as little boy was off, Tibbets turned 155 degrees and hit full throttle, which tail gunner Bob Karen unaware of what they just done. He described it as being quote, better than the cyclone at Coney Island. Fun with it. There's so much within this story that like when you
Starting point is 00:38:12 would then hear it retold by 1940s and 1950s announcers that you're like, you could really see why we just didn't, we just kind of sanitized it. Yeah, which mean like that bum bless was the most incredible thing we've ever seen. You mean like it's all just super positive all the time about all of this shit. Yeah. But then also a lot of people just didn't know either. Right? No, this guy had no idea that they dropped in it.
Starting point is 00:38:35 He just knew like, Hey, we got this big bomb and we're going to drop. So he had no fucking clue. All he was being told by a couple of scientists, he just met. Is that we're about to end the war? Yeah. But once the bomb detonated, the resulting shock wave shook the plane with such force that the crew figured they were under fire from Japanese flak. But at that point, Tibbet circled back around and saw the mushroom cloud created by little
Starting point is 00:38:59 boy. It had already risen to 30,000 feet in the air and was visible from almost 400 miles away. And they saw Bob flying out of it. Bob, twin peaks, he's in three. There you go. You got him good. There you go. Yeah. Now I get it. I mean, it's a twin peaks reference from season three. After staring at the Mushroom Cloud in silence, the crew's snapback to reality made the predictable World War II statements. That was over.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Holy Moses, what a mess. And so that was a direct. Holy Moses direct. Well, like I think the bombardier, holy Moses, what a mess. Tibbets meanwhile, he was beyond pleased with himself. But the co-pilot, Captain Robert Lewis, he seemed to be the only one who truly grasped what had just happened. In his log, he asked a simple and reasonable question.
Starting point is 00:40:01 He wrote, my God, what have we done? reasonable question. He wrote, my God, what have we done? It's not like that. No, it's more like, my God, what have we done? That's it. That's what I wanted. My God. Oh God, what do we do? But that is how David burn would say it. Yeah, yeah. No, no, yeah. Yes, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Now just after the bomb was dropped, one of the nuclear technicians who'd helped assemble the bomb in the air, he was already giving a lecture to the crew on nuclear fission. And they'll see what we have just done here is a big, all nuclear fission. It is not fission like some of the. And they're just like, they're just getting their dick sucked, right?
Starting point is 00:41:00 A woman that got shipped in from factory. Like they're in the air because like every, these guys are just like everybody else in the Manhattan project. They've spent years not being able to tell anybody about this shit. And these guys couldn't even wait to get to the ground to tell someone about what they just accomplished. Likewise, once the Anolage landed, the crew was met with chairs from military personnel, scientists, journalists, photographers, Paul Tibbets was given a medal upon exiting the plane.
Starting point is 00:41:28 They had a medal ready for him and waiting back in Hiroshima. However, the nightmare was just beginning. One writer said that after the shockwave, there was a fearful silence all throughout the ruins, which made it appear as if all the people, animals, trees, vegetation were all dead. In fact, it was so quiet and the devastation was so massive that the writers' thoughts weren't towards a terrible new weapon, but rather the end of the world itself. Yeah, like, did this happen everywhere?
Starting point is 00:41:59 Yeah, that sentiment, however, was more confined to the areas of the city that weren't immediately burning due to the massive firestorm created by the bomb. Soon most of the city was actively blazing as blue green balls of fire drifted throughout the firestorm. Everyone said too, is that it was beautiful. Yeah. They said they were watching this, this moment of a living living like a dragon. It looked like a giant living monster. And it was moving and shimmering. One guy said he felt like as the radiation drafted down, is that it felt like you were in a like a, it felt like a laser light show. Yeah, where
Starting point is 00:42:39 you were just beautiful cascading, the greens and pinks and oranges and it was like this. I am missed of it and they were all like captivated by it. When people soon began to flee, but the word flee suggests an urgency, a panic. Wouldn't like that. Rather, the people shuffled in silent shock, blankly staring straight ahead. Skin hung from the faces of some while others vomited as they walked. Most were wearing clothing that at best had been shredded by debris, but a lot of them were fully naked. Those who were naked had experienced the full disintegration of their clothing, but on a few, their clothes had left patterns burned on their skin as they dissolved.
Starting point is 00:43:25 On the men, you could see marks from their suspenders, but the more disturbing one was the women who were wearing kimonos, flower designs that were on their kimonos had been burned into their skin, and these pattern burns depended entirely on the color of the clothing. White clothes would repel the light. Dark patterns though absorbed it and those dark patterns cause deeper and deadlier burn. Please don't bring up the lights and colors. No, this is actually because I was running my color scheme. I don't want to be right and re-mailed it because white is everything but more this is true. I have
Starting point is 00:44:04 been talking about this one useless sack that I do believe has been debunked. Yeah. And it's also scientific facts. This is what happened in Hiroshima. It is, is scientific, exactly proven. That's why it proves my point. He's saying he's happy about Hiroshima because no, I'm not. It proves his color ideas. It's normal. Everyone agrees with me on that. But this is bad news. You definitely, we got to make jokes here. Yeah. I would have liked, I hope I'm wearing my favorite shirt. What's your favorite shirt? Oh, because it's I tell you, though, that cardigan's going to stick to you like it's napalm. Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's a five. I would have a little packers
Starting point is 00:44:43 Jersey. I would have already been naked. Yeah. Already. Soon as the sirens are, we're in that two minutes. Oh, just start taking it. Oh, yeah. But while some tried helping, there was only so much they could do. A doctor named Michehiko Hachia, these are difficult names, so bear with me.
Starting point is 00:44:58 He ran from his home with his wife before it collapsed, but the doctor fell over as he escaped to the streets. It was not, however, debris that had tripped him up. Uh-oh. Rather, the doctor had stumbled over a man's head that had been severed and thrown. Who knows how far away from its body as a result of the blast? This is why we just got let him sniff butts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:22 If this is where they're going, if they're getting to the sniffing butts, what? Sure. I don't understand. We'll talk about it. I don't know the idea what you're talking about. We're talking about last game show. We've got it in the game show. The game show.
Starting point is 00:45:33 The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show.
Starting point is 00:45:41 The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. The game show. nuclear blast as trauma the man's trauma, trauma, trauma. So in a generalized generational trauma, they're allowed to do whatever they need to get. But anything anything now, ours of the smile.
Starting point is 00:45:52 So this is about no judgment. Yes. This is about no judgment. No judgment zone. Absolutely. Okay, all right. All right. So this guy's tripping over human skeletons.
Starting point is 00:46:01 What a fucking nightmare. Human heads. Human heads. Great. After recovering from that horror, the doctor looked around to see people with skin blackened by burns bold from head to toe because the thermal flash had disintegrated their hair.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Dr. Hachias said that even though these people were up and walking, their burns were so severe and their skin's so black that he couldn't tell whether he was looking at these people from the front or the back. Wow, that is so freaking creepy. Yes. These walking ghosts, as the doctor called them, have been created by the two-fold power of the atomic bomb. See, while the thermal flash had instantly blistered burned and loosened their skin, the following shockwave had torn that blistered, burned, and loosened their skin, the following shockwave had torn that
Starting point is 00:46:46 blistered skin loose, but had not ripped it from their bodies altogether. As such, the doctor saw a young girl who had been facing away from the blast, who was walking with the skin from her back hanging down from her hips, while the skin on her hands was hanging loose as if they were rubber gloves. Now most people tried saving only relatives and close friends on that first day because it was all they could handle, but most were too overwhelmed and shocked to pay any attention to the people screaming from underneath the rubble and wreckage. Oh, but that was also for your the sloughing fans.
Starting point is 00:47:22 Yeah, that was for the fans. For fans. Yeah. Oh, but that was also for your the sloughing fans. Yeah. That was for the fans. Yeah. Oh my god. I don't even know what you would rather be stuck under some rubble or walking like that. I'd be the first with sleeping vaporized. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. From one recollection, a man said that his father had come across a stranger trapped by a large log that had fallen on her leg. The father shouted for help to lift the log up, but no one came. He started screaming, are you not Japanese? Will you not come help? No one helped. Everyone wasn't shocked. So after losing patience, the father found a rusty saw and cut off the woman's leg and rescued her himself, carried her away. But of course, that was in the section of
Starting point is 00:48:03 the city that wasn't actively on fire. For much of the city of Hiroshima, the fire was inescapable on land, so people walked into one of Hiroshima's seven rivers to get away both from the fire and to find relief for their flashburns. Very few of those people, however, survived. As one witness put it, watching these people walk into the river was like watching a parade of ghosts being swept away like garbage. Oh, Lord. Well, they are not garbage. No, no, but it's just, uh, God.
Starting point is 00:48:35 This probably see their skin would probably then get off of the body. Yeah, the water brings the skin off real fast. Yeah, I feel like we're in a Tom Waitz song. I know. I don't like it. This is more like Tom Waitz. I think this is more Nick Cave territory. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:50 Those are musicians. I don't want to be any part of their lyrics, but I do like to listen to that. I will say before we get to New Sidebar, have you seen Nick Cave enjoying Bruce Springsteen? No, you should look it up. I will. Sorry, Marcus, but Nick Cave's a huge person. No, we need. He was watching him watch that scare, Crow man dance like a 40 year old dad to glory days.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Okay. He's one of the most enlightening things you could see because it's him as a ghouls full Nick Caves going to glory days like he says him dance along love and his life. Nick Caves is oh man. If his love of Bruce Springsteen is what produced such wonderful songs as Henry Lee the ballad of my name. Absolutely not. No, no, I think he was just on camera.
Starting point is 00:49:27 And those Bruce Springsteen personally is a friend. Oh, I dance by Saw Bruce. He's great. Yeah, of course. Well, those who did survive swimming in the river would have to push away dead bodies with their bare hands like so much driftwood. See, that inspired Nick K.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Yeah, that's exactly Nick K. Yeah, that's it. Those people, however, were the ones who still had the presence of mind to make the connection that a river would be the safest place in a firestorm. Many instead wandered aimlessly trapped in an unspeakably painful horror show. One schoolgirl remembered seeing a man without feet walking on his ankles. While another saw a man whose eyes were swollen two inches out from the sockets and this unrecognizable, unfortunate soul, horrified the witness by calling her by her name. Julia From Jim class. Ned Ned Ryerson. Oh my God. That is so fucking horrifying.
Starting point is 00:50:27 It's not good. No, I ain't good. It ain't good. Now this man was only one of thousands who had begun to swell after the blast. Faces were especially susceptible, sometimes swelling so large that it was impossible to tell where the eyes and mouths were. As one woman horrifyingly put it, you can't imagine how big a human body can swell up. Can I make a joke about fat? Chris Christie. Please do. Please do. Yeah, I've seen someone fucking blow up like that. Yeah Chris Christie Chris has been attacked by an atomic bomb. Yeah, you ever seen John Pinet?
Starting point is 00:51:09 He's dead. All right, and he lost weight before he died. He did. Yeah. Now I think it's important to mention I'm well says big and an asshole. Oh, man insert you all know someone who's a big asshole in your own lives put in there You the game for electronics. Yeah, put that person in there create a big asshole in your own life. Put it in there. The gay life from electronics. Put that person in there, create a punchline around the person who would make sense, attach. They must have been at Hiroshima. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:33 There's your joke. Now, I think it's important to mention that this is only the first few hours after the bombs fell and that all of these people that I've mentioned, they're all still alive. Yeah, man. You'll be surprised. That was the other thing after the fact where they thought, we'll get into the aftermath. I never want to spoil it.
Starting point is 00:51:53 We'll get into the aftermath. Yeah. Next episode. Yeah, we're going to get into the aftermath, but you're going to find out like they were kind of surprised that they all didn't die. Yeah, they were all expressed. We were fed this line that it was just going to vaporize them. Yeah, right. Yeah. That it's clean. Boom. Yes, there's going to be radiation fallout. But we did. We made sure that there was measures to control all
Starting point is 00:52:13 these aspects and stuff. But no, they thought that everyone who you did and so when they showed up and they're like, Oh, people lived. That was when the actual kind of cover up. That's kind of where the war crimes truly come in, because they thought that like, you know, they just thought it would be empty. Yeah. It would be a city of rubble. Well, this is this is Clive Barker. That's not a reminds me of Clive Barker, very hell-raised or ask. And things only got worse from there. Oh, well now, there you go. About an hour or two after the bomb fell, it began to rain in Hiroshima. But while this may seem like a relief, the fires had seated the clouds above the city
Starting point is 00:52:51 with ash. So the rain fell as a black and mixture of ash and radioactive fallout in abnormally large drops. I don't know if these guys are complaining about free chemo. Is it incredible? That's true. it's so expensive? What a day to be a weather man. Now that the victims were covered in black sludge, the walking ghosts of Hiroshima took on
Starting point is 00:53:14 a new level of horror. From the recollection of one man, he saw a woman with her jaw missing and her tongue hanging out of her mouth, wandering north and trying to call for help in the black rain. Well, I just get, I don't even think you have to, you don't even have to say that you need help at that point because we all have. But the time, you know, we all actually, I just think America needs, you know, honestly, you can be relieved because we won't even get to this in the Oppenheimer movie.
Starting point is 00:53:43 But time, all this is happening in the Oppenheimer movie timeline, you're watching Barbie. You're already watching about melting like wax. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, indeed. It's supposed to be funny. Margot Robbie. It'd be kind of cool though. If you just if they did at the end of the bar movie, we just drop the Nagasaki bomb. That's like he dropped the second bomb at the end of that and kill all them. And then the last five minutes, that is is Margot Robbie walking around with her face, Milton. You know, that would be cool. But they're not risky filmmakers. Like I would have the hero Shima place that I'm surprised that it include that. No, not probably not going to be any. It's not selling well. No, I don't know. They might cut out the when Barbie got a little bit more diversity. That was nice
Starting point is 00:54:31 Understand Comedy numbers. I mean, he's trying to be all she wouldn't even be able to stand up. Yeah, she's not an ideal part She's a doll. So I'm also not an injured turtle. I would play with those Well soon he's not an injured. He's not an injury. I am not. Well, soon most of the survivors became covered in this almost tar like rain. And those without any real presence of mine left didn't bother or didn't know that they should wash it off.
Starting point is 00:55:02 And one terrifying example, a woman named Kako, who was a small girl during the bombing, said that she and her four sisters had been left alone at home on August 6. I'm scared of you. Their mother. I'm scared. It's scary. Their mother had been out running errands when the bomb hit, so the five girls spent the next 24 hours huddled together in fear.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Suddenly a black creature crawling on all fours charged into the house, making terrible noises. The thing, assumed by the girls to be a dying dog, soon collapsed and died. But upon further inspection, these girls found that the blackened creature had in fact been their own mother who had instinctively crawled back to her home to die. Julie from Jim Glass. Well, Ned Ryerson. She's fucking crazy. This is the only way we can come.
Starting point is 00:56:01 I don't know how to do it. I mean, you know, it's like you're sitting there and then all of a sudden the doors open. You're like, hey, look at that. And here's some nice news. You know that halfway through the current Japanese Nippon professional baseball season, the Hiroshima Toyo Carp, which is real. They're only one and a half games out of first place. There's not something.
Starting point is 00:56:17 We'll go for that. Yeah. Yeah. The coming back. Bull Durham. I don't know. That's something to do with it. Meanwhile, the few people that were relatively unhingered spent the next few days trying to save others,
Starting point is 00:56:28 although most were too far gone to save. Yeah. One who tried anyway was the Reverend Kiyoshi Tonomoto, who tried ferrying people across a river away from the raging fires. Floating down a river that night, Reverend Tonimoto came across a group of about 20 people crying for help from the water. They were too weak to lift themselves up into the boat, but when the Reverend reached out to take a woman's hand, her skin slipped off and huge glove-like pieces. After taking a moment to himself to briefly process one of the worst things a human being can see.
Starting point is 00:57:06 It's bad. Yeah, it's just like we're going to note that. All right. Get noticed. Mark Reverend, Tana Moto lowered himself into the water to gently lift every person into the boat all while their skin and flesh. Yes. Slaught off and read and yellow chunks.
Starting point is 00:57:23 There you go. There you go. Wow. He you go. There you go. He said it. Wow. Nice. Make a merch. I mean, this guy is a real hero though. Honestly, he is.
Starting point is 00:57:31 He's an extreme hero. Yeah. Well, once they were on the boat, the Reverend had to remind himself over and over again that these were in fact human beings being ferried because they did not in any way resemble people in sight or smell. And this guy is a fucking baller in and of himself because I find interesting. I read a little bit about him that he was he was educated in America. He went to American, I guess with some theological school in America in Atlanta,
Starting point is 00:58:01 Georgia. He was a dressing American style often, and he could speak perfect English. And so a lot of people thought he was a spy. So there was a whole, so the people he saved were also a group of people that had been calling him and making his life hell in Hiroshima this whole time, dog in it,
Starting point is 00:58:21 telling him that he's a spy for America, that like, and he's just like, no, I just, we all went to school there. Like a lot of people at school and America and came back to Japan. And so it was just wild. The thing that he went, he had a crazy story. It was a war for everyone. So I'm sure speaking English wasn't seen as like cool in Japan at the time. And Hiroshima also historically was not kind to Christians. At one point, I think in like the late 18th century, a bunch of Christian missionaries were crucified. I think
Starting point is 00:58:52 like 25 were crucified within the city limits by the, the emperor at the time. And with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, this actually just came, I saw this today, it killed something like 66% of the Christian population in Japan. Wow. Those two, just those two bombs, like basically, like, really interesting. That's very interesting. And nuts. Now, Reverend Tonomoto became a minor celebrity in America after the publication of a book about the aftermath of Hiroshima by John Hershey that we'll discuss further in the next episode. Reverend Tonomoto was one of six survivors to tell their tale in detail, and he therefore became the human face of Hiroshima for many Americans, mostly because he spoke English.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Ten years after Hiroshima, the Reverend traveled to America with a group of 25 girls dubbed the Hiroshima Maidens, so named because they'd all been school girls seriously disfigured by the thermal flash of the atomic bomb. Now they just be on the VMAs or something. They definitely have an Instagram where they danced and were. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, it would be interesting. I mean, if you have the same Instagram algorithm as I do, they'd definitely be on Instagram dancing around.
Starting point is 01:00:08 As you guys know, my current Instagram is rating pizza hut pizzas. No, it's true. I just saw. I just saw Kessel looking like he was reading his stocks. And then it was just a man making a pizza pizza. And he's like, can't even believe that this is pizza pizza. He was showing pizza hut pizza. and I said, oh, that looks good. But then he actually to me demonized the pizza pizza. All of this too much. And then Rob, who's doing the studio, just move here from New York. I'm sorry, this is your first episode, but he's back and he said immediately too much bread.
Starting point is 01:00:39 We all said too much bread. Too much bread and cheese. So it's actually cheesy. But yeah, stuff breading, I stuff. Crushed. I don't even want to really pizza. To be honest with you, to be frank, the idea of cheesy bread doesn't even turn me on right now. I don't want to see anything peeling.
Starting point is 01:00:53 I don't want to see. I don't want to see. I don't want to melt the cheese. I don't want to be red. I'm doing cold sandwiches. Cold sandwiches. Cold sandwiches today. Yes.
Starting point is 01:01:01 Well, the Hiroshima maidens were seeking reconstructive surgeries to fix such conditions as hands that had permanently reverted to bent claws because of the burns, all their fingers had fused together, and they had facial scarring so extensive that it was considered too extreme to be seen on television at the time. Listen, that bring up television for a point. Tell us, ladies, listen, ladies, listen, I hear you cry, I say, yeah, honestly, and I'm with you. And I'm feeling you. I'm having trouble looking at you, but I'm with you, right? We want to fix you up. The thing is, face his hands, real difficult.
Starting point is 01:01:34 We get y'all a couple of double d's. Right? You're gonna go with Preston plans. Who is it? You do it. You do it. You do it. I do it. Each one, you know, listen. Now, this might be some of you,
Starting point is 01:01:42 and I just might be a CEO of a television network. Yeah, it does sound honestly maybe just a big Hollywood plastic surgeon. Maybe that's not that far off of extreme makeover human addition, which lasted for two or three seasons. Ugly duckling. I remember. Was it cool? The ugly there was a British version was called ugly. Oh my goodness. Well, if you're wondering why I mentioned television specifically, it's because Reverend Tana Moto, upon his arrival in America, was a guest on an episode of a television show called, This Is Your Life. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:15 If you've never heard of it, and why would you, man, this is your life was a show where regular people were surprised on live television without warning by a retrospective of their life as told by colleagues, relatives, and friends. And it would be kind of across the board. You know what I mean? They had like, I wanna say they had like Helen Keller and they mostly had her feel textures. There was a bunch of celebrities.
Starting point is 01:02:38 Yeah, they had that. They also have like regular people too. I mean, I don't remember it, but I've seen it on YouTube. I remember the last living civil war guy. Yeah. I mean, they had a couple of those guys and they show up. They're like, and this is the slave you beat. And you're like, wow, you know, I mean, this one was a real gotcha one. Yeah, this was an extreme gotcha. And is this, this isn't the one where they had to guess which ones they were, right?
Starting point is 01:03:00 No, there's just one person. This is it. It's one person. That is, that is the Groucho Mark show. I forget what the fuck it was called. You bet your life. You bet your life. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is the one where they just shove a dude or a woman into a television station, say, Hey, you're on television now. And a bunch of people are going to tell you about your life. And they did this to Reverend Tana Moto 10 years after Hiroshima. That sucks. I feel like I don't want to forget your life. Just give me a bunch of other people that pretend that they knew me, but it was a much different story. It's just what they really thought they had something there. Yeah. And after hearing from various people, such as two Hiroshima maidens, who of course had to be hidden behind a screen, so as to not offend the American audience.
Starting point is 01:03:45 It's so much creepier. Yeah. To show people what's happening. But they didn't want to. So also look at what we did. But what we did. Finally, the producers brought out a guest that was at best in bad taste. And it worst extraordinarily ghoulish because they prepped the whole beginning of this is it's the character for renon's tempi. The broadcaster character. It is that guy. He was like, hey, anarily ghoulish because they prepped the whole beginning of this is it's the character for Brennan's tempi the broadcaster character. It is that guy. He was like, hey, they're
Starting point is 01:04:10 ladies and gentlemen brought to you. You might as well see that little name right now. That is our advertiser, Mr. Tony Motto. Yes, we you might not know, but we have a special guest here today. So first of all, I want to know what was a roachimal like the day we dropped the bomb. He makes him go through the day. And he, while the man is like highly, he's just trying to say, you know, matter of factly, but basically also like it's harrowing. It's him describing the morning of that of the bomb dropping and what his day was like when he used to be like, what his life was like.
Starting point is 01:04:39 Well, they used to do ingrained marketing into the show. Oh, that's what it was. So that he's just got to like look to camera and be like, Clorix. I don't know if I want to hear about Clorix right now. I think they're responsible for Aftos. Yeah. And so they've had person after person come up. And then finally, you saw the silhouette of a man behind a curtain who's reading something off a piece of paper and you hear him say, my God, what have I done? It's Captain Robert Lewis co-pilot of the Inola Gay brings them on. They brought them out. It's completely by surprise
Starting point is 01:05:14 to shake Reverend Tana Moto's hand and tell the Reverend what his experience was when he dropped the bomb. I gotta tell you we were so scared of there because a lot of these planes didn't have Z bills. That is scary. This is like in Hanukkah with the clan on spring. It is. This is horrible. What was his reaction?
Starting point is 01:05:33 I so I watched it. We want to watch it. Yeah. He will look on his face because it's very similar to I will put it that the pilot when he was there. His he was like rubbing the back of his head and he was like, he looked extraordinarily not happy to be there as well. Haunted would be the work. Yes. The show, the state department, literally the host says, thanks, thank you all the help to this day, the department making this impossible.
Starting point is 01:05:58 And then they came, he, he looked very upset, very like mournful, but the look on Tani Moto's face, the only way to describe is that he looked like he, you're very like, mournful, but the look on Tani Moto's face, the only way to describe is that he looked like he was seeing a ghost. Like he was wide eyed. Like, I'd be fucking who is this man? This man who killed every one I know. Like, I know he was the end. He was just he's a cock in the machine. The end of the machine. Still, he was in the plane. I mean, he was like, it was like he was looking at a demon at an only like it was pure Object terror. It looked like he just again Upward like the most awkward thing I have ever seen yeah, I want to hear what you're gonna like here
Starting point is 01:06:37 Sirius. This is actually an autograph copy of a book I wrote about dropping the bomb Yeah, that is how you go. Wait, that was before those guys made my, he was just, he looked extremely fucked up. Yeah, it sounds like an absolutely dreadful thing. But to be honest, to the producers credit fascinating, we're talking about it. Oh, it was 2023. I mean, but it also, it also shows you that American television has always been ghoulish. Oh, always. It's always, yes, always.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Now, as horrendous as the Rev. Tana Moto's experiences were both in Hiroshima and on television, they paled in comparison to what was experienced by those who staffed the remaining hospitals in the city out of 150 doctors in Hiroshima, 65 were killed in the initial blast. Instantly out of 1780 nurses, 1654 were dead or too badly injured to work. The largest hospital that wasn't completely destroyed was the Red Cross. And while six out of their 30 doctors
Starting point is 01:07:34 were able to somewhat work with injuries, there was only one doctor who came out of the initial blast unscathed. That man was Terra Fumi Sasaki, one doctor for the entire city of Hiroshima. Where was he? He was in the hospital. And he was in, he was, when the bomb detonated, he was just one step beyond an open window.
Starting point is 01:07:55 He was carrying a blood sample from a patient who would come into the hospital, freaked out because he thought he had syphilis. Wow. No, that's the least of your worries now. It just happened, he just happened to be in just the right spot in the building. After the blast ripped through Dr. Sasaki's hospital, blood was everywhere. Medical instruments were all over the place.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Broken glass covered the floors. A lot of the patients died when the ceiling fans in their rooms fell and crushed them in their beds. It's like out of fuck. That's horrible. Yeah. Dr. Sasaki, meanwhile, had only lost his glasses, but quickly replaced them with a pair that was far below his prescription from a critically injured nurse.
Starting point is 01:08:37 This is all of my, could it be my new, anxiety dream? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Not being able to see everybody's bleeding and dying. The city's falling apart and only you can save them I'm the only person who know how veins work Yeah, yeah, but then you get to wake up next to your two dogs. Yeah, that's nice that nice you fucking American bitch Wake up to your two
Starting point is 01:09:03 Dr. Sasaki then began what was a near uninterrupted three day shift trying to help the people of Hiroshima. Now, first, Dr. Sasaki thought that the hospital had been the sole target of a bomb. So he got to work bandaging the thousands of injured people inside the hospital. But soon, thousands more began wandering through the doors and before long the injured and dying citizens filled every hallway, laboratory, staircase, driveway, courtyard, eventually a veritable sea of people filled the surrounding blocks of the hospital, all of whom were to the faint hope that someone would come out to help. And they think that there was just hours before they were running from Godzilla. That was the only thing that's up.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Godzilla was many years later. Godzilla was a result of the atomic bomb. I can't believe you would make such a stupid, simple mistake. It really is actually quite pathetic. The mistake that you made. Everybody knows that Godzilla, along with King Kong, were probably babies of this time. No way. Would they even be there? I've been thoroughly dressed up as a...
Starting point is 01:10:10 Yeah, we'd be like, Oh, and I... We'll somehow continue. Yes. We'll put it in a perspective. It's estimated that 10,000 survivors made their way to Dr. Sasaki's hospital, while only 600 beds were available.
Starting point is 01:10:25 And remember, one doctor, faced with the increasing enormity of his task, Dr. Sasaki decided that the only thing he could truly do was to keep people from bleeding to death. He became what he described as an automation of a doctor, wiping, dabbing, bandaging, wiping, dabbing, bandaging, over and over again for three days straight, making things worse. The floors were covered in blood, vomit, sloughed off skin. Yeah, it would make a worse. It totally makes it worse. And eventually
Starting point is 01:11:01 decomposition fluids. It's so much worse that way. It, it's August, and it was a particularly hot August. And people were dying in the hospital by the thousands. There was nowhere to take these bodies, and more importantly, there was no one to carry them off. So the dead decomposed and liquefied next to the living. By the end of it, Dr. Sasaki only took one hour of sleep during those first three days. And once he was finally forced to go home, he slept for 17 hours straight. But you guys will all be happy. You know, Winston Churchill did not miss one 3 p.m. nap.
Starting point is 01:11:38 I know. I know. He needs to be rested. I remember that for a few minutes. I remember that for a rest of the day. I'm super rested. Yeah, it was a nice nap room too. Oh, it was really nice. You think that there's, you know, you know, what's going to happen now is that there's going to definitely be some commercial. Or we're going to go through the hospital fields of Hiroshima and then you're going to see one guy like half-melt and stuff and he's just like hungry.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Yeah, you're not going to go with your hungry. And then he's going to turn to Tom Poppars. Yeah. It's funny. That's funny. That's funny. Who's that shirtless guy?pars. I'm like, funny guy. That's funny. Who's that shirtless guy? Tom is the great.
Starting point is 01:12:08 Maybe he could be in it. Berk Reicher should go help people in Hiroshima. That was nice. That would be nice. But he was pretty good at that. Well, that's the thing too, is that, you know, if he's in Hiroshima, he's got her reason why he's not wearing a shirt because it got blown off. Hey, man, don't even worry about me. I'm Jen X's crazy guy.
Starting point is 01:12:30 It writes itself. It does write itself. There you go. It's also, it's a, I suppose you could do a marketing for nurses shoes, the nonsticker, the non slip ones there. Clean Portland. Yeah. That was a stupid idea. That was. nonsticker, the non slip, non slip ones are clen boreland. Yeah, what a stupid idea that was. Now, this is horror on a never before scene scale.
Starting point is 01:12:52 This is brand new. In the billions and billions and billions of years, maybe the dinosaurs. I mean, technically the concentration camps were this, but long this, but on this scale with the in one day in one day. Yeah, that's how America does it. We get it done. Yeah, we don't remember that with the last 20 year war. Yeah, we don't really need to get into like what's worse, you know, the bombing of the same as that we'd never humanity had never seen this. I do think that's the spinny wheel from hell though.
Starting point is 01:13:27 You get transported to like holocaust, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, having to watch Steve Harvey's final set. I don't know what it is, but it does seem like this horrible. Got him. There we go. Nobody's saying. I was trying to come up with a little bit of a joke there. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:45 And he's Laney landed on Steve Harvey. He did. Technically, it wasn't Joe. It's in there. Yeah. Now, one would think that the people in charge would at least have the presence of mind to treat the destruction of a city using the hellish power of the sun with some salimnity, you know, at the very, even if they are vaporized instantly, he's still just
Starting point is 01:14:02 killed 80,000 people. At the very least, you'd think they could keep their jubilation restrained because after all, they believe that the war is now over. A very long four-year war is over. Instead, when Truman told the crew of the ship taking him back to America after the Potsdam conference, that the atomic bomb had destroyed the city of Hiroshima, he was met with a resounding chair and thunderous applause. Again, far away from it, thousands of miles away from it. You have been watching all of these American ingenuity talking about how we've spent this
Starting point is 01:14:33 long to end this war and that you've been fed this line, that this is a, well, this is the way to do it. This is actually the humane way to do it. You don't really know. And then for on Truman's part, I will vaguely say like he made a ghoulish decision, but he was still not happy. And there's that like he at least was, it was very complicated for him. Yes, it was. I guarantee you they did the hip hip hooray. Oh, we knew in that moment that we had won the war, but that's,
Starting point is 01:15:05 what did we win? It's not good for nothing. That's for certain. Yeah. Well, one thing that he could have done is that, I mean, well, the thing is that he set the tone, Truman set the tone for everybody else and the press set the tone.
Starting point is 01:15:17 And the tone was one of jubilation. Yeah. And that, of course, informed the way that America thought of a atomic bomb from then on. The next day, the White House released a press statement to the world revealing that we dropped the biggest bomb in history on the city of Hiroshima, although the statement made a point to call Hiroshima a, quote unquote, important army base. They didn't call it a city.
Starting point is 01:15:39 No. Furthermore, the onus for the dropping of the bomb was placed on Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor. Because as I said in the first episode, America tends to excel at the dropping of the bomb was placed on Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor. Because as I said in the first episode, America tends to excel at the act of overcorrecting then telling the civilians they kill in the process that you made us do this. Yeah, it's like a, it's like that stupid slap competition, but with like a little person who slaps like frickin' Andre the giant or something. Yeah, because like, that was like, I'm going to have to slap you back.
Starting point is 01:16:05 And it's like one is bigger than other. We also have to slap him back Andre. On slap you do. On slap you do. Yeah, I'm sure it's slap. Yeah, the dumbest god damn thing of all time. But we know the Pearl Harbor happened because, you know, after you are, we've got the call that was going to happen
Starting point is 01:16:20 right before he was doing his hurdles practice. Oh, that was actually went out of his mind. So it's like he's like, uh, and after. It was like, oh, yeah, that's right. I can walk so so so so. Oh, I said another FDR joke, even though we're with Harry Truman now. Yeah, but so he's not letting go. No, he's not letting go.
Starting point is 01:16:37 He's not letting go. It's a running thing. Yes, indeed. And here in Truman, of course, with the hurdles, he went under them because he's a stupid person. Yeah, nobody say nobody's safe. Got you, Truman. I wish, with the hurdles he went under them. Because he's stupid. Yeah. Nobody say nobody said, got you Truman. I wish do we would have won. And that's not to say the Pearl Harbor wasn't bad.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Of course it was. Yeah. I was like, these things are bad. We got any world of sloughing. Everything is bad. Yeah. But that's the thing is that you don't need to overcorrect and destroy two cities and murder hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
Starting point is 01:17:05 as revenge. And you don't need to say you did this to yourself. Hi, hello, welcome to an international house of slothing. Do you want to bolt? You want ears? Or do you want eyeball going? Man, I just really wish that you guys had ham steak. Yeah, we do, but it's baby.
Starting point is 01:17:18 That's so bad. All right. Come on. There you go. I went flag. Well, the statement then went on to reveal that this was indeed an atomic bomb and that we'd built it only because the Germans had been working on an atomic bomb of their own. Sure. We, however, had won the so-called Battle of the
Starting point is 01:17:36 Laboratories, just as we'd won battles on land, air, and sea. Finally, the statement ended with a direct plea to the leadership in Japan, either accept the unconditional surrender terms outlined in the potstum declaration or expect a reign of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth. Is there a number three? Yeah, there was. There was a number three, a number four all All the way up to, probably number seven. There were a lot of different fucking options.
Starting point is 01:18:07 Yeah, we said that we definitely had, because then, we were following up immediately. And at this point, we're telling them, you know, now that we know the one works, we can make seven of these a day. Yeah. Now, even a day later, the Japanese government wasn't entirely in agreement that an atomic bomb
Starting point is 01:18:24 had in fact been dropped on Hiroshima. From what they thought, the Americans, they're fucking crazy. But they're not crazy enough to bring such an unstable weapon across the Pacific. They would never do that. And they would never bring it on a boat that would then crash and then everybody in that cobbote would then be fucking raped death or fucking eating my sharks. You listen to an apple. Yeah. You listen to an apple. Yeah. You listen to an apple. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:45 Yeah. But that's the things that they were only partly right on that because we didn't fully assemble the bomb until right before the Bombay doors opened. Yeah. We brought the uranium and the plutonium across the water, right? Right. Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:18:59 Right. Right. Showing further arrogance, Japan refused to acknowledge that America was advanced enough to actually build an atomic bomb, which again, shows that even at the end of the fucking war, the Japanese government still completely misunderstood America. They misunderstood our ingenuity, our capacity for vengeance, our near unlimited resources. They just didn't fucking get it. Hey, man, British local locals can do a lot when they're left to their own devices.
Starting point is 01:19:22 I also feel they believe in the power of the empire. They were, they again, supernova supernova in the East really shows a little bit more about that mentality. Yeah. That there was that they really did believe that they that no one could beat them. Yeah. But it's so this can't be real because that would mean that they have unequivocally squashed us.
Starting point is 01:19:41 I totally understand. Yes. It's a shock. But at this point within the Japanese government, there is a huge tug of war going on between the people who do believe that and the reasonable human beings who are like, we must figure this shit out right now. Yeah, that are, that are just saying like, hey, we were beat six months ago. Yeah, we need to fucking do this shit like that. We, you need to enter the real world. The emperor is not a god. Yeah. And that's why here on MTV's real world, we've brought
Starting point is 01:20:10 together a series of different people from. Let me go. Japan. I want to see. Nagasaki and Hiroshima and we brought the troops. They dropped the bomb. Oh, seven strangers living at the house. And three of those strangers. They started. And they're really close to me. And he started getting free. Yeah. Are they able to make a silk screen t-shirt business work on business for each? We'll figure it out. You killed my family.
Starting point is 01:20:33 Yeah. You guys, you got you guys all. Hey, welcome to House for Guys. You got all you a job at the International House of Slotting. I thought one of the grossest things that Tom did was eat his peanut butter with his fingers because fingers are all burnt. And then this just fuck off. Christ.
Starting point is 01:20:50 Wait, no, I flag. Wait, wait, wait. I don't know. That's the nice thing about wearing many hats. See? Yeah, put that one on. But after sending out their navy and army to investigate the ruins of Hiroshima, there was no doubt whatsoever that the United States have perfected the atomic bomb and they used it on the people of Japan. They could not argue.
Starting point is 01:21:11 And we haven't even perfected it then yet. And so now it's now it's fucking and so did the modern age begin. Yes. next day that conclusion was confirmed worldwide when the atomic bomb and by extension the Manhattan project was announced to the world on no less than the front page of the New York Times. The headline read, first the time I bomb dropped on Japan. Missile is equal to 20,000 tons of TNT. Truman Warren's foe of rain of ruin. Wow, there you go. Good unbiased reporting. Yep. In the ensuing story, the time spilled the guts
Starting point is 01:21:46 of the entire Manhattan Project, they identified General Leslie Groves as the head. And we got Leslie Groves. Oh, give it up. I'm assuming Groves. The saturday night live like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:57 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah he liked that because he was a pretty quiet guy.
Starting point is 01:22:05 No, they wanted the credit, man. He's the one who wrote it. They loved it. They loved it. So they were the ones giving all the info to the New York Times. Well, I mean, they just had a statement ready to go. You know, like this was this is straight from the like this is from the government saying the tell the New York Times like tell everybody in the fucking world what we just accomplished
Starting point is 01:22:22 because it's fucking awesome. And we spent a fuck ton of money and we just killed 100,000 people. Yeah, I think there's a lot of it because now it's the rush of we must prove that we are still the good guys. Yes, exactly. It is what is unique is we dropped a bomb and it was still like, we better get this to the printing press right now. Right, the American PR machine kicked in. But also it's old tech meets the new world. Yes. In real time.
Starting point is 01:22:48 Modern age begins. Yes, it's very strange. I would do that. Yeah, they put Oppenheimer up as the hero, the brains behind the bomb. They revealed. Yeah. Yeah, I did a lot but I'm so sad about it. Where's my communist girl?
Starting point is 01:23:01 Yeah. It's okay. Oppenheimer. They revealed the cities of Hanford Oak Ridge lost Alamos these locations that have been kept top secret like they laid the entire thing out. However, the story was not a full blow job. This is back when reporters did things. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:17 Yeah. And there were certainly quite a few Americans, both public and private who saw the terror of the atomic bomb for what it was before even hearing about what really went down in Hiroshima. In the New York Times article, after they outlined the Trinity test, they asked whether the bomb might be either the salvation of mankind or the Frankenstein's monster of the world. Was this like here where they're asked like, I'm free, Bogart that and he's just like, I only know about slapping women and smoking.
Starting point is 01:23:46 Yes. But did it not also lead to the hot pocket? The micro, I believe a micro wave might be a different, hmm, you know what? I don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We'll never know. It sounds wrong, but I don't know enough about microwaves to dispute.
Starting point is 01:24:02 That's the key. Yeah. I call the gray area. Yes, indeed. Just living it, loving it. That's the key. Yeah. Called the gray area. Yes indeed. Just living it. Love it. Both of those things are true though.
Starting point is 01:24:09 Both of those. Yeah. The fact that you signed monster of oil then. It's all real. Because you remember part of this is also a man kind of. Well, the scientists were saying which is the truth, which is like we couldn't first use this as a nuclear reactor and it made free energy and we could have like made energy that could have fed the world in a mass quantity. If we wanted to do it, we will, we will end up doing that because
Starting point is 01:24:29 I think people are going to realize electric is very difficult as well. I hope we do it on the goddamn moon. No way. Reactors on the goddamn moon and you bring the energy cells back and forth like it's fucking what's the game that KB used to play? Starcraft? Yes. Oh, that would be fun. Yeah, that would be super fun. Thanks. Yeah, because then we could just fill the moon with all the nuclear way. That easy.
Starting point is 01:24:50 No, we take the nuclear way from the shooter to way from the moon. See, out in the space, I feel like that's going to backfire on us. No way. No way. I've never seen countless movies. No, I just read countless books and have said it's not the same exact stuff. We're going to put it in one of those black holes. They're saying there's a
Starting point is 01:25:05 HUM. It's coming from two black holes. No, think about we shoot into a black hole. Yeah, perfect. That's fun. There's no way that's gonna pop out somewhere else. No, not at all. It has led truly to some piece. No, it just led to proxy wars. No, but it's real. But proxy wars are a piece of art. The proxy wars are peaceful because they're not wars. They're proxy wars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we're not and it's not yet because that's the thing. It totally ended in any and all land wars in Europe. We haven't had one of those. Boxy wars are essentially the vaping to the real wars of smoking cigarettes. Yeah, basically, basically, it's all the same. Yeah. But yeah, lamb wars in Europe, we don't have that. I would say the US and Russia, Soviet Union and the same. Yeah, but yeah, lamb worse than Europe. We don't have the US and Russia so be union in the US would have pedal land war without without the
Starting point is 01:25:48 You think without without it out technically would probably do probably That's when you're right. That's when you said in Guy Fieri. Oh, He's the one he brings up brings them they don't have chicken and waffles What didn't Metallica say to secure peace, you have to prepare for war. That is what Metallica say. That was about therapy. Oh, my God. I just wish that they were different people. We know. Now, even before little boy was dropped on Hiroshima, the military had decided without President Truman's consent that the fat man plutonium bomb will be dropped on another city if the Japanese didn't immediately respond with an unconditional surrender.
Starting point is 01:26:28 The way the military saw it, they'd been handed a new weapon. And this new weapon is just like any other. Do I fucking call up the president when I want to drop another bomb? No, I don't. Why am I going to consult them on this? Because it did. I was reading about this because I was talking about it with Eddie and he was like, who ordered the second bombing?
Starting point is 01:26:45 And I realized like, there was just a caveat in his order to release the first bomb that like, essentially, if you don't immediately surrender, we're just going to keep doing it. And so everyone just went like, well, we got permission. Right. So do it as many times as you want. Yeah. Now in a lame attempt to prevent the loss of more innocent life, the US War Office dropped millions of leaflets all over Japan telling them that America was in possession of the most destructive weapon ever devised by man and that they should
Starting point is 01:27:12 take steps to cease military resistance. So this is like an alcoholic father going out but before he goes out and be like, just so you know you better be in bed before you get home, I'm coming home. I'm appreciated. We really abusive tonight. The problem with this though is that by Japanese law, citizens weren't allowed to read or discuss leaflets dropped from the sky. And they faced arrest serious penalties if they didn't immediately hand these leaflets
Starting point is 01:27:40 over to local police. And so on August 8th, just two days after Hiroshima, the fat man bomb was fully assembled with its plutonium core and was there after loaded into a far less famous B29 called box car at around 10 p.m. Now, I find, I found a little article that was talking about not the bombing of Nagasaki and there was this little thing that felt like,
Starting point is 01:28:02 so I'm in a Dan Carlinny and it's like irony. And then how it portrays itself to the rest of the American history, which was on the front of the Nagasaki bomb on fat boy, what they did was they wrote an acronym on it. So everybody signs a bomb. So when everybody puts together, they all did like cheeky things. So they want, you know, like, here's to you. A second kiss for hero, you know, like you're like cheeky. And then the nose they had an acronym, Jankfu, which stood for joint army Navy civilian fuckup, which was on the front of this thing. And it's interesting because it seems that that's kind of how we would treat the world from then on.
Starting point is 01:28:44 You know, like this idea of, we spread it around everywhere now. Don't worry now. This is like with this little thing, this fat boy thing, it's a symbol for our foreign policy from then. Yes, definitely the era of interventionalism has begun. Don't you, don't you make us fuck you up. Yeah. Well, at the very same time that fat man was being loaded in the box cars Bombay, the Soviet Union,
Starting point is 01:29:08 still an uneasy ally of America, they declared war on Japan and invaded the Japanese controlled region of China known as Manchuria. The Soviets, however, had their own motives for invading, which came more to focus during the Korean War, but we're not going to get into that. Let's just say. That's my grandfather's war. I just will found out my American grandpa. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:29 Yeah, the Korean War isn't extraordinarily complicated. I've been learning about it recently, and there's a lot of ins and outs on that. Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it. You like to do that research. You like it. But regardless of the future,
Starting point is 01:29:40 Japan was well and truly fucked from all sides, and they knew it, although they were still dragging their feet towards surrender. But because they didn't hop to it, another one of their cities would fall victim to the atomic bomb. That was the city of Nagasaki. Now, one of the first things that we noticed upon starting research for this series was that while there are hundreds of resources concerning the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki
Starting point is 01:30:05 is treated almost as a footnote. Yeah, it's like, and we did Nagasaki. And Nagasaki. Yeah, it's like the second dream team. Yeah, every number is the 92. Yeah, we know. Well, partly I think this is due to the fact that it's more the same, sloughing, swelling, scorching.
Starting point is 01:30:20 But I also think it's a little more complicated than that. And the reasons are both Japanese and American. First of all, while the Nagasaki death toll is still incredibly high, the bombing itself was nowhere near as smooth and successful as the so-called perfect bombing of Hiroshima. That's a big one. And that's like the American thing. Of we don't want anybody really see this kind of series of goof-em-ups that led to the Nagasaki bombing.
Starting point is 01:30:44 Because again, the Hiroshima bombing was like these buzz are doing the job and then nailed it. Like everybody, they crushed it. Meanwhile, this one's like they had a lot of fuck ups. Yeah. It's like the curse of everyone that's that's done stand up comedy for 30 years because the first set they really did well. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:59 That's like $29.5 years. It's just miserable. But now get back at that stage. And I'm not going to talk. like 29 and a half years, it's just miserable. But now get back at that stage. Now Nagasaki wasn't the first choice for the second bomb. In fact, Nagasaki was the fourth choice considered so lightly that in the list for potential targets for a second bomb, someone had written and Nagasaki in the margins the day before the nuclear strike was finalized. That's how I was picked for the baseball team. Oh, and Zabrowski. The Nagasaki had already been bombed five times prior to August of 1945. It was bombed so often. In fact, that one student remembered that he'd been taught to plug his ears
Starting point is 01:31:35 with his thumbs and cover his eyes with his fingers because a bomb's conclusive force might burst his eardrums and pop his eyeballs out of his skull. No drama there at all. No, but because Nagasaki had already been bombed, it was not considered a high priority target for showing the bombs full destructive force because remember that was the whole fucking point. Now the people of Nagasaki, as well as the rest of Japan, they'd kind of sort of been told on August 8th what had happened in Hiroshima on August 7th. This announcement, however, was like none ever released by the Japanese government. While past releases might admit a defeat, those defeats were always soft-pedal. There were still plenty
Starting point is 01:32:17 of people in Japan at this point that thought that Japan was winning the war. With Hiroshima, though, the Japanese government admitted that quote-unquote, considerable damage had been perpetrated by a new weapon, and considerable damage was far more than any admission the Japanese government had made up till this point. It's always the people. It's always the people that suffer. Oh yeah. My God, just stop this. Additionally, a well-respected figure in Nagasaki's medical establishment had passed through Hiroshima after the bombing on his way home from Tokyo. Immediately upon returning to Nagasaki, this man got on the radio and told everyone about the burn bodies,
Starting point is 01:32:55 the fire, the flash, everything. And he also said, no air-raid shelter is going to protect you from this. We need to leave. As a result, the local government ordered a meeting the next morning to discuss how you, they might be able to handle a citywide evacuation because that's no small feat. You can't just snap your fingers and say, go tragically while that meeting was being planned, fat man was already on its way. Just huffing and puffing. I'm gonna say, you know, if you're a restaurant tour, you're really happy.
Starting point is 01:33:29 Yeah. Why? I mean, the real fat man was coming to your restaurant. When you went knee-eddy and kiss a roll up, I know it's about to be a $3. You find it well after you eat light because we're forced to buy a doctor.
Starting point is 01:33:42 No, no, what's going on with all that? Nope. These doctors are rooting our lives. They say we're fucking, they just sit there with their sketch of seconds go, Bob, if I can't, I'm gonna have a man. You tell me what? They shouldn't have put that mustache on it though.
Starting point is 01:33:57 On the, on the bomb, man. No, no. In another tragedy, naming it the Wilford Brimway. Wilford Bromley. We're for Bromley. What? Wilford, Bommley. Because it's got a big mustache.
Starting point is 01:34:10 I don't know. Fat man. Big fat man. Diabetes. You have a cheap. Wilford Brimley just put your orlean on him. Yeah. He just lived poorly.
Starting point is 01:34:19 I don't call him fat. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man.
Starting point is 01:34:27 He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man.
Starting point is 01:34:35 He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man.
Starting point is 01:34:43 He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a fat man. He was a to say that he was not. Yeah, and I'm gonna never went to Nagasaki. I'm with you on the Arnold thing, Henry, but I'm with Ben on the welfare brand. You know what I mean? This is why it works. Yeah, it's triangle trust. It takes three.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Well, in another tragedy, because of inorganization within the Air Force, the leaflets informing the people of Nagasaki about the impending bomb, the leaflets fell with the bomb. Yeah. Oh my God. Additionally, you know, this is what's happening. Yeah. Hey, what's all this? Oh, no, no. Additionally, in the pre bomb tragedy realm, nine residents of Nagasaki who would survive the bombing of Hiroshima had actually made their way back to Nagasaki before the second bomb fell. You know, it's like as a sports fan, like, you know, the
Starting point is 01:35:27 Nick's always lose and you wonder, is it me? This is just like a man. This is just like it. One man in particular had dug through the runes of his Hiroshima home to retrieve the bones of his wife. And he was walking through the streets of Nagasaki, carrying his wife's remains in a wash basin so he could give the remains to her parents when fat man detonated. Just trying to make people sad now.
Starting point is 01:35:52 It is sad as he's trying to make it. That's, again, once in human history, this story has happened. Now even though fat man was a more powerful bomb, little boy killed twice the number of people and the destruction radius had been three times as large. This was because the hill surrounding Nagasaki absorbed the brunt of the bomb's blast, resulting in 40,000 instant deaths instead of 80,000. That was another reason why Nagasaki was a poor target. They knew that was going to happen. And it already been bomb the bunch. Yeah. And they don't like it was it was kind of all jacked up. And we'll also see there was like also the actual physical
Starting point is 01:36:27 problems. Yeah. The entire operation had been troubled from the start. The original target had been the city of Cacura, which was a site of a massive imperial army arsenal, bad weather and miscommunication. However, dog the crew of boxcar at every turn as well as equipment fuck ups. There was fuel pump problems. Well, apparently I also heard that they got so used to air raids. But one thing that they would do one defensive maneuver is that the factories would pump out steam and that they would do a cover. Like so, they said when they got to co-cure, there was a cover and there's like, it's kind of talking about whether it was weather or whether or not they literally had like, hid themselves.
Starting point is 01:37:02 Some of the guys who works at the factory claim, but that's what they did. I don't know. The government should have given the contract to make that plane to ocean gate. Current ocean gate. Current. Current.
Starting point is 01:37:15 I don't, I don't understand. This is why Mark is you are so unbelievably in his business. He's just, you know, anything about this is the strangest part where I do shine the submarine that you don't know he is equating the problems of the B29 Delivering box card delivering to the problems of the ocean gate It's called Titan Ocean gates the company see he's doing the thing like where I always could say anything's like a
Starting point is 01:37:43 like where I always could say anything's like a Coca Cola. Oh, it's very Midwest. I thought there was like a political scandal involving the ocean, and you were calling it ocean gate. See, that would be interesting. That's a whole other episode about the corruption in the sponge world. Marcus, why don't you just give me the script. I'll take over. Let me have a look at it.
Starting point is 01:38:00 I'm going to have a scene. I'm going to do the reading. I've been meeting to say this. Well, Boxcar was on its way to the city of Cucura, but they had to land on the small island of Yaka Shima to wait for its observation plane, call sign big sting. Yeah. Yeah, I got that big sticky plane. You need a sticky plane.
Starting point is 01:38:20 That's when I got that meeting. I rubbed on it. Yeah, I mean, it's the big mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean That's what we call you big stick. Yeah, you're making a big stick.
Starting point is 01:38:45 Yeah. Therefore, while box car was waiting to take off, bad weather closed in over Kukura, and box car burned a lot of fuel circling the city waiting for a window in the clouds. Additionally, Japanese fighter planes were climbing towards box car, an anti-aircraft fire from the ground was getting heavy. So it was on to the next target, Nagasaki. And Nagasaki, of course, remember, it was fourth on the list. Nagasaki was where they could get to with as much because they had to do calculations. We have to have enough fuel to get to Nagasaki and then from Nagasaki back to base. They said they had the bombers journal.
Starting point is 01:39:23 And he wrote on thing, be it's been like closing in on two hours of fuel. I wonder if the Pacific will be cold. Yeah. These guys did not think they were going to make it back. They need solid, solid murder up there. They really did. Nagasaki, however, was also covered in clouds, but Boxcar didn't have enough fuel to return to base with a nine thousand pound bomb abort. They had to drop it somewhere. It's also human, isn't it? But the fat man was safer to drop wild than the little boy was. Yeah. So they had a plan to ditch the fat man, which is literally drop it in the fucking ocean.
Starting point is 01:39:57 Yeah. But just as the pilot decided to just drop fat man via radar on Nagasaki, come what may, the clouds broke and bombardier captain Kermit behan letter rip names used to be named they really did Kermit old Kirby. They're going to be here. You know, Teddy Roosevelt had a son named Kermit. He got killed in World War One. Isn't that something?
Starting point is 01:40:19 Yeah. Yeah. And Teddy was very happy about that. He got a desire because he was, uh, completely made of felt. Oh, it's not too bad. Teddy was extraordinarily broken over the death of his son. And he was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, young. And I'd be like, no, you're a wife. I don't know. Yeah, it's a demeanor. It's a sex of there.
Starting point is 01:40:46 It's me, the binola game. Remember me, I shaved the war. Now you're my wife. You should be my daughter. In law. Well, the box car crew were three quarters of a mile off target. And that actually saved tens of thousands of lives. But again, 40,000 died in an instant.
Starting point is 01:41:03 And a lot of the same shit that happened in Hiroshima happened in Nagasaki, just not quite as bad. But they're horrible. Horrible. Yeah. If the big boy there was the only bomb dropped, people would they do. We would be told, we would be told, we just did for Hiroshima. We would be doing that.
Starting point is 01:41:18 Yeah, but box car made it back to 10ian. They landed with less than a minute worth of fuel. Like if they would have been up there for a minute longer, they would have crashed. That reminds me of Crash Bandicoot. Yeah. But was it very time based. I thought time based games are stressful.
Starting point is 01:41:35 No, they are very time based games. Yeah. But boxcar when they landed, they found absolutely no fanfare as opposed to the heroes welcome experience by the crew of the Inolage. Basically, the news of the Hiroshima bombing made the whole world both. We, yes, we celebrated, but immediately the whole world was like, yeah, exactly what?
Starting point is 01:41:58 And so it was at first, we couldn't party too hard because now we have to show this the unbearable responsibility of these weapons. But you, it took a day for that to change. Right. But now they're like, when they showed up, immediately was just like, okay, well, you know, great, good work, guys. Let's get back. But because Truman was not happy that he, when he found out, I guess from the news, it really is a pretty big operation not to tell the president about. I mean, it was a half-ass job.
Starting point is 01:42:28 That might partly be the reason why America doesn't talk about it a lot. And it's an embarrassment because President Truman did not order this nor was he even aware of the bombing until after it happened. It was at this point that we put in the role that his presidents have to authorize nuclear strikes. Isn't that funny now how the president just go to war without Congress? Yeah, take hand. Then we figure that out.
Starting point is 01:42:48 Yeah, they just, well, they chose to. They really figure that out. Yeah. But even so, preparations were being taken on the island of Tinian for more nuclear strikes. Yep. And the scientists at Los Alamos were hard at work producing another plutonium bomb that would be done by the end of August. In fact, it's believed that the only reason why Japan escaped a third atomic bomb was
Starting point is 01:43:07 because we'd already dropped all the bombs we had. Yeah, we made, we dropped the fix, the full finish ones. Yeah, now we dropped the full finish ones. Even more ghoulish was the gung-ho spirit of Paul Tibbets, who had been the pilot that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. He had volunteered to drop the next bomb. Let me do it. He walks.
Starting point is 01:43:24 He wants another model. And the next, he was prepared to drop as many bombs. Let me do it. And he walks. He wants another model. And the next, he was prepared to drop as many bombs on Japan as it took to get them to surrender. There might be a couple of different nuances when he speaks that aren't currently allowed. Yeah, I can see him being kind of bleeped or just like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Now, dropping a bunch of bombs on Japan was certainly a possibility because while Los Alamos was going to take until the end of August for a third bomb, fat men for through six would be done by September and by the fat men.
Starting point is 01:43:55 That's what I said, fat men. Fat men. Fat men for through six. I guess it would be fat men for through six. Fat men for through six, I would say that. Yeah, because you don't say like die hards four and five. Unless you're my mother say that because you don't say like die hards four and five. Unless you're my mother. Yeah, you know, yeah, die hards four and five.
Starting point is 01:44:08 No, you say die hard four and five. It depends on how you want to go. You say you either had to do proper English right? Yeah. Yeah. No, it depends. If you're saying die hards, fourth film had better boobs than die hard one. Everyone is just pulling their cars into oncoming traffic.
Starting point is 01:44:27 Everybody is just slamming a laptop shop. They're leading the podcast. I would say hours of doing a show. You would say that the die the die hards franchise. Rob is just moved to from New York Los Angeles to edit this. Yes, it did. But perhaps a bigger reason why neither America nor Japan is eager to discuss the bombing of Nagasaki is because while Hiroshima was entirely unnecessary, Nagasaki was even more so. Yeah, it is definitely the, this is, how do I say this? I can put myself in history shoes and talk about and think about Hiroshima
Starting point is 01:45:07 and kind of vaguely understand the wise and the house and how we got to this place. But Nagasaki is the thing of like, this is where we entered into. Now we're a bully. Now we are, we're just doing this to set the tone for the next one. Yeah, it's, I mean, it was done with all of the gravitas of, fuck it, let's do it again. Everything, it just went right out the, it was very corporate almost. It just went out the door.
Starting point is 01:45:30 Yeah. Just as the fat man bomb was falling on Nagasaki, Japan Supreme Council for the direction of the war, the so-called Big Six, they were arguing over the best way to surrender. In fact, the decision to seek peace had been made six weeks before Hiroshima. Oh, man. But the big six couldn't agree on conditions. But really, the biggest tragedy here
Starting point is 01:45:53 was that it wasn't necessarily the atomic bombs that made the Japanese surrender. Or at least it wasn't the biggest reason. Now, not every historian agrees on this theory. But I do. It's thought by some that it was fear of a full Soviet invasion on the Japanese mainland and the eventual communist rule that drove the Japanese into the arms of the Americans. Truly, it was the Soviet Union invading that really popped him out of their fucking
Starting point is 01:46:20 dream. That means that Nagasaki had no effect whatsoever on Japan's decision to surrender. And we reigned hellfire on tens of thousands of people for no reason at all. I mean, it does just show you how unlikable the Russians are. Because they were like, yeah, these guys bombed us twice, but at least they got my cake. Yeah, yeah, they're going to invent video games. Yeah. I think the Japanese movies really perfect. Yeah. I think the Japanese movies really perfect it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:46:46 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Tetris was that, but that was that Tetris. You should literally like, you have Elvis Presley. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:46:54 Like, you know, you're like fun over there. No. But either way, when the Japanese came with surrender terms, Secretary of War Henry Stimpson agreed to leave the Emperor on the throne just long enough for him to order the surrender of the Japanese armies because Stimson knew that emperor here are Hito was going to be the only guy that those armies listened to. Stimson's reasoning was that it was in America's best interest to plant our flag on the Japanese homeland as soon as we could. We had to get there before the Soviets even came close because
Starting point is 01:47:26 we wanted to avoid another power sharing situation like we had in Germany. And that's if we didn't lose Japan to the Soviets completely. And then also we got the atomic bomb and we're in your backyard. Yes. Now we're here. We're here. Yes. And so on August 15th, 1945, Japan accepted the Potstum Declaration. Emperor Hira Hito broadcasted an address telling the people of Japan and his armies to stand down because, quote, the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage. It's still a politician. It's just, this is seriously. I had a dream. Yeah. Maybe we might want to think about stopping this.
Starting point is 01:48:10 Maybe. A little over two weeks later, Emperor Hirohito signed the document surrendering to America and on September 2nd, 1945, World War II officially ended. Yay. Yay. That, however, is not where our story ends. Ooh. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and object of fear for America, rather than an object of wonder and the eventual fate of Jay Robert Oppenheim. My girlfriend.
Starting point is 01:48:48 Oh, they'll cover it in the movie. My girlfriend. Awesome. Well, thank you all so much for listening. Let's see. Do we have anything we want to announce? We have many, many, many things we could do. Can we talk about San Diego?
Starting point is 01:49:02 Not San Diego, but we can talk about the live streaming show that we are doing November 4th here in Los Angeles at the palace. We are finally ending our mama mia. Here we go again. We're doing it in Los Angeles one last time. We're going to give it a last time. We're giving a live stream just so you know, that doesn't mean some people were like, did you mean final show? No, we were going to go on going to there's just final fucking world be on. We're going to be dead. We're going to be a fine stay. That's how we live.
Starting point is 01:49:29 We're going to do a live stream. And then also remember for the shows that we're postponing in Australia and New Zealand to the 2024 dates, we're giving you guys a free show this year, but we're going to figure out all that we're going to be waiting over the next couple weeks. You're going to receive an email from us. It will be a stream show, not a free show in O's. No, you'll be a stream show. I would say it's more of a program than a show.
Starting point is 01:49:49 It's a program. A program. And they'll be show aspects, but I am excited for this. I think that that will be you guys going to get that. And we've got Henry Zabrowski, me at dad's garage in Atlanta, July 7th and 8th. And when me enjoying myself, making improv, you gotta see me there. And then we got Kissel. Yeah, I'm doing a bunch of blabbing.
Starting point is 01:50:09 So you guys can come out to San Diego on 7-9. That's July 9th San Francisco, July 16th. Las Vegas, July 23rd, and Ontario, California, July 30th. So let me find, I'm excited. And the theme for all of that is swapping Yeah, feel free to come with your skin slightly hanging off and he will be doing his new kissled not hour Mostly involved. I mean, I'm very out in the Sam's care. Yeah, I'm more fun. All right. That's it That's all. Thank you all so much for supporting all the shows here. Thanks for listening to our serious shows and calling in
Starting point is 01:50:43 You all are wonderful. Hail yourself. Hail Satan. Oh, Gain, and don't forget to watch our stream every Tuesday last stream on the left. Become a Patreon supporter and you get to watch it live and see all of the stuff that gets cut out for the YouTube stream because I showed a lot of stuff this week that is definitely going to get to. I don't know if it will, but now the net, the testicles definitely are going on. The testicles will be caught out. Yes, even though that's medical, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, conservative old people. If you've got a great grandpa, definitely make sure to talk to him about how Hiroshima was not necessary. Yeah, he will.
Starting point is 01:51:28 Why don't you just not frame it in a way where, frame it in a way where he feels bad. Yeah, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no that lesson in your 90s. Yeah, you do. And also, what a great wrap up to Pride Month. I think the same for yourselves, everyone. Halsen. Okay. Mugu's Delay Shows. Bye.
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