Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 538: The Manhattan Project Part VI - The Greatest Generation

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

This week to conclude the story of The Manhattan Project, we pick back up with the surrender of Japan, the harrowing long term consequences the bombings left on it's victims, and how it all connects back to a mysterious crash in Roswell, New Mexico in the summer 1947.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk on the left. That's one of the cannonball some started. What was that? Oh, yeah. Are you guys on? What's a cool to watch? No threads.

No, no, no, no, I haven't decided if I'm going to do it, but I don't think I will. In an interesting synchronicity, Threads, which debuted today, Threads, debuted today, of course, is the whole like Instagram thing. Threads is also the name of a movie in which nuclear bombs destroy England. And it's about the consequences of nuclear warfare. And that is actually just as destructive the social media. And granicity.

It really is. Let's hope that's the farthest it goes. Okay, so I don't think so. Yeah, threat? That's a good synchronicity. You know what's also strange? Three days ago, three days ago, July 3rd, 1947, is the anniversary of the Roswell incident.

How was that a synchronicity with the Manhattan Project? I'm just saying we're going to get into it. We're going to get into it. We're going to get into it. I want to talk about the real problem of the Manhattan Project. Okay. We've been talking a lot about sloughing. People have been really upset about us besmirching the good name and the good works

the United States of America did during World War II and then we kind of ruined it with, you know, dropping a bunch of atomic bombs. Well, I got a bunch of DMs being like, good sloughing talk. It was? Welcome to Sloughing Talk. Welcome to folks yourselves. Welcome to folks yourselves. Welcome to folks yourselves.

Oh, but I realize one of the real true demons of the Manhattan Project is that there was, and this is true, one of the offshoots of the research within the Manhattan Project was the creation of glitter. Gary Glitter. His name's sick. Glitter was created as a way to hold the plutonium

or it was an idea that it could help stabilize plutonium inside of the bomb. Yeah. But instead, they just liked how it looked and they sprinkled it on a bunch of shit. Well, I mean, how much nicer would Nagasaki and Hiroshima look with a little bit of glitter? You see, Glah, but Tom McBomb, we got a glam it up. Glah, and a atomic bomb. Also now it's, it's skinny boy and it is non-binary individual. Interesting. skinny boy and it is non binary individual.

Interesting. And this is really what the LGBTQ community is looking for is more representation within giant destructive bombs. Sorry, guys. Haliburne's not gay anymore. It's no longer right. Okay, everyone. Welcome to last podcast of the left. Ben hanging out with Henry and Marcus Holy hell. What a slog. It's with Henry and Marcus holy hell what a slog. It's been. Vlog. It's not been a slow. He doesn't understand its history.

It's like you guys are the ones who are always like, I'm so tired. I'm so tired. And I'm like, well, don't do all the work. I'm the leave of it. Come on. Okay. Everyone. We believe we are.

We just said two months to work. And two months of just a bunch of the show. Yeah, I just do with yelling and talking to you. On two months. Two months. Okay. Matt hadn't project part six. And is this the final one or is this going to be a nightmare on Elm Street? Are we going? This is called the project takes Manhattan. Okay, great. This is Friday the 13th. So when we last left our story, Japan had surrendered to the United States, much to the relief of at least those in Japan

who were slowly starving to death. Yeah. However, there were some ultra-nationalist fanatics in the military who didn't actually believe the Emperor would ever surrender, much like the soldiers who spent years and in some cases decades fighting private wars against nobody in particular. Wait a second, are you talking about me?

There you go. There you go. This is interesting, because you can kind of see where super and over in the East talks a lot about the kind of the build up of this like really intense war fever inside of Japan and the adherence to the emperor and the belief of his sort of like deity like status.

You could see though how events like this that took place could show some proof that the Japanese were on some levels not quote unquote ready to surrender ever. They would never would be some and that that's kind of like why they got their really intense reputation Yeah, there's people still fighting the war today Which ones Well, you would have to go there and ask him what's going up. I think now mostly they're into Coca-Cola products Yeah, I've seen that giant robots. They love their mecca. Yeah, Ramuni is a very tasty soda. Okay Yeah, it's got a little ball in it.

Isn't that something? Do you like it better than Urnbrough? Absolutely not. Okay. There's nothing I love more than Urnbrough, except for the possibility of lemon lime solo, which I think may have been a fever dream because nobody seems to know what the fuck I'm talking about. I had a can of it and a fucking airport in Australia and I've never heard of it again.

It's incredible. And yet gone forever. You just went to the same universe where David Grush went to pull out those objects from the other way. I did the other Marcus. Oh, wow. He's loving life. Well, indeed, the ultra nationalist on the mainland were so deeply fanatic that the only explanation for a general surrender that they could possibly accept was that the man who given the address over the radio had been an allied imposter. Conspiracy theories can happen anywhere and everywhere. Well, there's no way someone would do a voice interpretation over the radio.

You can't be a rationalist. No, this wasn't quite as ridiculous as you might think. A greatest Ray Romano? Oh my God, please don't. Ray Romano. Oh my God. Please don't just Ray Romano. No, that was not intro. Yeah, it's me. Johnny Carson.

And even cool. Johnny Carson. Yeah. Johnny I could love. Don't even know what that is. What that in a basket.

It's an amalgamation of all of your past trauma. Well, imitation wasn't really an issue because the radio address given by Emperor Hirohito was the first time that the Japanese population had ever heard his voice. Oh, it's me, not Ray Romano. Emperor Hirohito, to say, time for everybody to go to sleep. Every time. Wait, is that the Emperor? That's the guy we think is a god? Yeah. I mean, this was kind? That's the guy who we think is a god.

Yeah, I mean, this was kind of like hearing the voice of God. It was highly jarring for most of Japan, but it also gave Plenia room for allegations of disinformation. Furthermore, most of Japan had no idea of the full extent of what it happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No one did. No one did. So the idea that there was a super weapon laying in wait to raise the rest of their country,

this was not on the forefront of most people's minds. I mean, it also makes sense because at the end of the Emperor's address, he was like, and don't forget your tactical math. You're going to want to buy a tactical math. And for the, and for the Patriots out there, we've got Patriot popcorn. And you know, worry, we've separated the Carmel from the Chitter. And oh my God, the plane popcorn. We call that the Jewish popcorn very

Separated as well. I actually got when once you got in a merch. I did not know that here Oedo was gonna move so much t-shirts water bottles cut corn Cut corn cut corn. See that's good. That's why you got to write for enforce. Yeah. Somebody does. Well, as a result, because there are many people in the military who did not believe the emperor here, a hero would ever surrender. 32 young Japanese officers stormed the Emperor's palace in Tokyo, claiming that the man on the radio couldn't have been the real hero here, a hero because he or he toe would never surrender. And there's a deal, these officers killed a commanding general

and set fire to the home of the prime minister before filling it with bullets from a machine gun. Everybody killed this house. Yeah. And one of the strangest thing is one of the guys that stormed the building there. He actually played Jimmy Pesto on Bob's burgers. Bob's burgers.

Bob's burgers. What was the point of that Bob's burger is making a January six reference to the guy attacking that. I know him best is the herky jerky jerky. The herky jerky man. That's even weird. I can't even the audience can't see that when he stormed the camera. Well by the every entertainment for everyone.

That's right. Oh, by the end of this highly misguided misadventure, six Japanese guards were dead and all 32 insurgents had been killed. The overreaction to the surrender, however, wasn't yet at an end. Around the same time as the attack on the Emperor's Palace, a group of ultra-nationalists were part of a secret society called the Black Dragon Society. Yes, yes.

They also made two unsuccessful attempts at assassinating the Prime Minister. Well, they were kind of like, weren't they sort of a Japan supremacy group? Like isn't that in that world, yeah, where it's a, because they had a massive nap. that's why we got to here. Yeah.

Is it they identified with the national streak of the Nazi party? Yeah. Well, it's ultra nationalist. That's, there's a reason why they put the ultra at the beginning of nationalist because this is far beyond anything that you might see. Oh, I just thought I just left her engine cleaner. Well, absolutely. And it could.

I've also been drinking a lot of Michelobaltra. See, that's keeping his engine clean.. I've heard a rumble from his engine in quite a period of like, honestly, it's far too completely silent. And I want to thank mickle-o-bull truck for that. Thank you very much. Well, the next day after that double assassination attempt, 10 young men calling themselves the son Joe Gigoon seized a hill within sight of the American embassy. They then killed themselves by setting five grenades off simultaneously. Excuse me, Emperor Hito, I just gotta let you know. I know really middle, like very long breakfast.

But a couple of guys, so we didn't really care about just ruined a hill. Yeah, well that's good. I mean, what's the point of this? Well, now they're starting to change a little bit. Now they're starting to accept that hero hero has indeed surrendered. So now the shame is setting in on the Japanese military. They're blowing themselves up on hills now. Yes. Okay. When General Douglas MacArthur arrived in Japan with a corn cob pipe hanging from his lips. Yeah. 32 members of various ultra nationalist secret societies disemboweled themselves in the act of Harry Kirin.

Oh, Jesus. Oh, hello. This is fucking sweet. He's been like, they love me. I don't know. He just shows up. He guts to shoot. Not even like it's a fucking New Year's Eve party paper.

Yeah. Wow, wow. God, but seriously, Pamela, can you tell me, is it me? People keep on committed suicide as soon as they see me. Is it me? Yeah, I think it's you in the entire US military, industrial complex. I do.

It's still a little baby though. It is. Well, there was great meaning to General Douglas MacArthur, set in foot on Japanese soil. This was the first time in Japan's 1200 year history that an invading force had ever made it through. Yeah. The first time and these guys were kept, I mean, they were stabbing themselves in the stomach in public out of shame that they had allowed the defeat to occur.

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Like, look at the tall Americans. So they were making fun of you and then in your mind in order not to commit suicide or revered. That's what the comedians might. I take the laughter at me. I flip it to with me. Oh're revered. That's what the comedians might. I take the laughter at me. I flip it to with me. Oh, revered.

Okay. But while the mood around Japan was grim to say the least, sounds like it. Cities and towns across America erupted in celebration on the day that victory was declared over Japan, known thenforth as VJ Day. Yeah, man, that's what all, everyone was Charleston and everybody had a balloon and then

obviously they had a pop up because again, he was the soldiers. And they were out there, who man, that party, so much white casserole. In New York City, two million people huddled into Times Square. One veteran described the celebration as ten New Year's Eve's all rolled in the all rolled in the wall. Believe it was just I couldn't even well, I mean, honestly, the way that to more age the people it kind of was. It was. Yeah. Oh, yeah. By the next morning, the sidewalks in the garment district were five inches deep with scraps of fabric that have been thrown as an impromptu

ticket tape celebration. We don't know how to party. Here's some fabric. This however was one of the celebrations that went well. What? The one that's been fondly remembered for nearly a century. Yeah, yeah. Usually this scene is what's shown at the end of most World War II documentaries.

It is. As an example of innocent American jubilant to romanticism. Oh yeah, we let Rose and the Riveter, put a dress back on. We went right back to it. It was awesome. It was a great day, right? Yeah. But over on the West Coast, the celebrations turned dark.

Oh, God. And San Francisco, VJ day celebrations quickly devolved into a 72 hour riot, the deadliest in the city's history. Has it never stopped? I guess it's still going today. For three days straight, a riot crew made up of 90% soldiers and sailors held the city hostage. And by the end of it, a thousand people were injured, at least six, but probably dozens

of women have been raped. And an even 100 were dead. They should not have booked Limpisket for that. I feel like he exactly, I, I, I, they needed water. They needed water bodies. So this was like the one, like, good day we had. No, no, it was like, before everything, we were talking about the one good day we had.

I mean, in terms of like after World War II, as far as the nation and they won it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, San Francisco ruined it both the three days of Mayhem Why did they riot? Yeah, I don't actually get it. That's how we party. Yeah, I mean why do people riot after fucking Super Bowl victory? Well because they were running around when the fucking packers make it to the Super Bowl No actually in Wisconsin. They just eat. Yeah, think of it this way. This is a Super Bowl riot, a fucking Stanley Cup riot times a thousand. It's that same energy. So it probably started off with Jubilee. And then, okay, we'll get into it.

Let's get into it. Now, the San Francisco VJ Day riots began on Market Street, where thousands of drunken soldiers and sailors jammed and gridlocked the streets. Oh, yeah, I know that whole area. Say, guy, you can see you. You can imagine it. Yeah, jammed. It's beautiful now.

The police, meanwhile, have been told to quote, let the people do anything within reason. That's what it was now. Okay. That leeway, of course, what San Francisco's fatal mistake. Soon, soldiers and sailors were climbing under the roofs of jammed street cars where drunken marines clumsily tried to reenact the famous flag raising photo from you with GM. That was so far. That's a bad old fashioned one. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. But once the revelers got a little taste of chaos, it was off to the races for the greatest generation. They just need to be able to die their hair.

They need more outlets. There wasn't any, was their hair die then? They just got them killing a bunch of people. You figured they don't get it out of their system. Absolutely. They did not get done. They did not just finish killing a bunch of people. And that's part of the point.

We get to that here in a second. These may have been the scallywags that didn't do anything at all. The soldiers and sailors began setting fires, smashing windows, overturning cars, and according to witnesses, gang raping women. As one reporter put it, you couldn't stop the crowd with anything short of tear gas and firehoses. And yet the city of San Francisco did little to stop the mayhem. Yeah, they could have tried to tear gas in the fire hoses. Once the gang rapes starts, I feel like then we can move on to other methods of stopping the car. I just don't think that we're even celebrating the victory anymore. No, no,

no, no. That's true when it comes to the Super Bowl. After two hours post Super Bowl, they forgot why they're part of it. Oh, you know, it's the idea is it's some expression of a group rage that is been embedded within a community and then they are unleashing it for some reason. Well, I mean, this is no. This is not a super bowl. It like, you know, right, right? What's Philly does every year no matter what happens.

Yeah, there is. No, this isn't a rage thing. This is a little more complicated than that. Now, as opposed to the guys and dolls in New York who have been fighting in the European theater for years, those are the guys who'd spent years killing people. And that's why those were, that was a nice celebration because those guys had basically just seen a bunch of horrible shit. Now they're just like that one woman says she wasn't really kissed with her consent.

Mm-hmm. It's in the famous picture. Yeah. But you know, if it's aimed back, I was fine at it. At the time. The majority of the soldiers and sailors rioting in San Francisco had never seen combat. These boys were draftees waiting to be sent to the Pacific, where they'd been told that they would most likely be entering into a year's long hellscape, battling the quote-unquote

savage Japanese on their home turf. Furthermore, it was being said over and over and over again in the press that at least a million combat troops would be killed taking the Japanese homeland. It's feeling like that should be kind of a sense of relief, man. Well, that's the thing. That's going to be happy. I didn't go.

Well, I mean, okay, let's put it this way. Thankfully for my family's honor, my papa, he was in boot camp on VJ day over in California. No one's, no one's, no one's indicting your family. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no's no one's indicting your family. No, we're not coming for your family. But that's just to say he did not participate in the riots. But from what he told me, he was to put it lightly a bit worried about going up against the Japanese. As anybody would be. Yeah, man, I don't mean you're just I don't want to go to war. You're never going to go to a world war. I don't want to go to a localized war. I don't want to go to a city based war. I just want to go to a city-based war. I just want to have, you know what, because what is war good for?

Nothing, except for helping the economy. There you go. Now, this is, of course, no excuse for the behavior of the servicemen in San Francisco, but it does give you a glimpse into just how relieved America was following the use of the atomic bomb and how grateful they were to have such a weapon. An incredible tension had been broken, but it had not been broken with the prolonged navy blockade or a diplomatic solution as it should have been. It was broken by a big fucking bang. Two big bangs, in fact, the likes of which the world had never seen.

Mm-hmm. And I think that may have had a little bit of influence on the behavior of the soldiers and sailors in San Francisco. There is definitely a sense that we showed our gigantic cock and balls to the world when we set off to atomic bombs and war, war time scenario. And I think that they could see that as sort of a, they got swept into it. And there is also something to be said. I mean, a lot of these guys were Marines, they were sailors. There is something to be said for, you know, training these guys to

kill, kill, kill, kill for months and months and months at a time. And then all of a sudden, you're not going to be killing anymore. Instead, you don't have to do anything, but you still have that instinct within you to kill, kill, Instead, you don't have to do anything, but you still have that instinct within you to kill, kill, kill, violence, violence, violence, violence. You know what you got to do? And that's just how it was expressed. 1940s America, I don't know if you guys are aware

of this lot of wild hives. You got to take these folks down to Texas, get them on the wild hog. Oh, I agree. You got to have killing them. I'm going to have them fight the hogs. Ben, I'm sorry. I got to drop a little bit of Texas knowledge

on you. The wild hogs did not comment on much later. Yeah. The wild hog problem didn't really come into the 90s when actual pigs started getting turned out into the population. They started breeding with boars and then just shick out out of hand.

So wild hogs were nowhere near us, preventing the fact that the hogs were born. Oh, well, who knows? Either way, what I'm saying is they should have directed their anger towards something that deserved it. I do feel like when you keep saying wild hogs coming to Texas, it does sound like a big fat man version of the Hawaiian tropic girls. Just going around, just having man rub them with lard and shit just like being like, yeah, that's 10. I like I'm shining The white hogs coming to Emily Cover them soup can't teams because wild hogs running You can't even see that, Dix. That's great. What time does it start?

No, once the rioters in San Francisco got all tuckered out on the first day, the violence died down. That's when I'm, I'd know our Jones was doing her set. Oh, very fantastic. I saw her at Willie Nelson's 90th birthday party and she did a fantastic song with Chris Kristoffer said, really great. Do you remember what song? They sang the same one twice.

Chris doesn't really know what to sing anymore, but he is indeed the greatest generation. He was after the greatest generation. Wasn't he the greatest gen? He was Vietnam. He's Vietnam. Yeah. Okay.

Top Navy brass, however, even after the first day of writing, they did not cancel leave. They did not admonish their men. Instead, they politely requested that the sailors and soldiers return to their ships. Guys come back guys. They big, basically gave them a guys. Come on guys. Let's go 69 back in the vessel. Come on guys. The guys didn't, of course. No, they didn't. I toured one of those fucking submarines on the war fair in San Francisco. I don't know how any of them aren't gay. That's where my father was. There was no room. I would be so fucking scared on that thing. I feel like

the one thing that keeps you truly from being gay and a submarine is the smell. I just feel like everybody that food is bad enough. The idea of a submarine or is dick going in and out of your mouth. I feel like on some level is unpleasant. And the dried come the dried. Colts. It's definitely. It's not everywhere. People are jerks. That's the psoriasis just in general.

But according my father, he said they were like, they didn't get gay until they surfaced. Well, interesting. I want to do it for show. Live from North Korea. Well, the riots continued for another two days. More women were raped. Far more people of both genders were seriously injured. And a hundred people died, either as a consequence of the chaos

or in trying to stop it. They're killing cops. Do you guys just remember this is about the war being over? Yeah, this is a horrible way to celebrate, Sam. And this is the so-called greatest generation as well. I know you continue to dig. Yeah, because those assholes spent so many fucking years looking down on every generation after them.

Oh, we did so great. Oh, we were so honorable. Oh, we did this. Oh, we did that. You did that so much weird anger. He does. I have nothing, but I feel nothing. You know what, Funny, I said, I, I'm here.

I, again, we did this last week when he got real hardcore on it. I like seeing hot take marks. I like feeling this heat because I just view us all as the same fucking. I don't think time is real. You know, I mean, I mean, you should have said, we've been talking about this. I don't think any of this even technically happened. I think this was in another earth and we're actually diverted into another timeline somewhere around 1947 and it doesn't even matter looking back on these people.

Yeah, it's a good way to handle the past by just pretending to never have. I just kind of just coast on that and you're misunderstanding my anger. It's actually less about the condescension. It's not bitterness, not at all. It's about historical accuracy. It's about actually looking at the history of America with open eyes and actually seeing what actually happened in this country throughout its fucking entirety without sucking the dicks of anybody that don't deserve their dicks to be sucked. I will say in terms of a satanist point of view, it was good that the greatest generation did these horrible things to make us on top.

That is kind of the idea, right? We can thank them for our lovely Apple compute. We can thank them. We could thank the people for the. Look at my shoe culture. Well, but they shouldn't really agree. Yeah, we're in like we get a real. We're a green shoe.

Not what people in San Francisco will exclude them. We'll do a carve out. We do a great generation carve out. If you're in San Francisco at this time, you're not part of it. And you're on the bad list. You're dead because I do believe there's one left. There's one greater generation person left. There's one world.

I think there's more than one more. No, no, no, there's one that they can talk to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it doesn't just go baggy, baggy. Yeah, yeah, there's one guy here. So likegy, baggy, right? Yeah, there's one guy here, she'll like, but you don't want to really hear what he asks. So for the most part, we know that there's still a lot of, but from the other side, because they're still getting arrested for war crimes.

But in the end, no one was charged with murder in the San Francisco riots. No one was really charged with anything of consequence. At worst, they were thrown in the drunk tank. And as a result, the deadly riot quietly slipped into the dustbin of history in favor of a feel good picture of a handsome sailor kissing a pretty gal amidst a moment of dupletion.

I really thought we were gonna have one pleasant moment. It does seem like an issue. I mean, when we did, that was nice because then you go down and make sorles. You have your, your, your, what is it? Just white or is it white or red? It's sorles is extremely overrated. Yeah, your, what is it? Just white or is it white or is it? What is sorles is extremely overrated.

Yeah. No, that's my. I don't want to talk about my true. Oh my god. That's my hot. Yeah. And I'm going to say that moment in New York, I did give you that. That was a nice moment.

Sweet. No, it's good. Hot dogs here. And I was happy. Yeah. Yeah. Now while America was celebrating the end of a four year war, rightfully so for those who didn't behave like those in San Francisco, there were plenty of good ones out there in

America, the horrors of Hiroshima and now, like, a sock. Right back. Right. Fucking back. You know, the strangest thing is as soon as they dropped the bomb, they played this clip from a guy named Erkel and it was like, did I do that? Yeah. Those horrors were getting exponentially worse.

Hundreds of crows filled the sky. Good Lord, it's fucking hell. It came Halloween town. I didn't know. Jack Skellington was there. Hundreds of crows. Man, I do love a good crow there. They're so smart.

They give you treats if you feed them. No guess what, man, they weren't getting any treats and fucking a roach on. No hundreds of crows filled the skies above both cities, occasionally landing to pick the flesh. Sorry, you have to get through it. No, it's not. It's real. This is real. This is absolutely real. It's real. So from the streets of San Francisco, yeah, you sure to bring, yeah, I got my rice errone in one side, your hair and maybe a shake. Yeah, yeah, let's try one more time. And now here we go, crows eating human flesh.

Hundreds of crows filled the skies above both cities, occasionally landing to pick the flesh from the radioactive dead. Get the lead out or whatever. These crows are going to end up being radioactive. They were. Oh, and so to prevent animals from treating their country men as carrion and possibly just to do something, the survivors began to gather the corpses for mass cremations across both cities.

Oil was poured on corpse piles that were described as mountainous than set on fire. But because of the nature of the injury sustained was so poorly understood, people inside the funeral pyre who had merely been unconscious came crawling out of the mine. God. When they found themselves set on fire. These cars are actually fine. You know what? Actually, I'll just stay. I seriously might. At this point, oh, Crozor eating the radiated dead. Yeah. And just throw some carousine. Yeah, add some carousine, please.

Please, just get it done with faster. Some actually had enough in them to run out. So there's these gigantic mountains of corpses and there's people on fire. And there's people on fire running around them. It's incredible. I don't like this new burning man. Hmm. Hmm. You get it. Cancelable.

That's what I'll say. Canceled. Oh, no. In other parts of the city, the bodies were stacked in a manner so haphazard that identifying them became impossible. In one case, two men argued over an unrecognizably scorched body laying between their houses, because both of them claimed that the corpse was that of their wife. Wow. Are we still talking about San Francisco? Oh my God.

This is like the worst version of the take my wife. Please. That is bad. That is bad. That is bad. Yeah, that's man. Others found only traces of family members, something as small as a ring, which became the only way to identify a blackened corpse, or in some cases, a pile of ashes. In another case, a woman identified the eyeless corpse of her mother by the gold tooth in her mouth,

which had been left wide open by the scream she'd let loose as she died. But as far as the dead went, the gold didn't melt truly. Yes. Yeah. Well, she actually probably had been killed in the firestorm afterwards. Oh, God. See, you almost let one thing kind of just lie. Yeah, he just said actually what you were. It's actually a lot worse. Yeah. But as far as the dead went within the radius of the

most extreme radioactive exposure, they were the lucky ones. Burn wounds on the most badly exposed, stubbornly refused to heal and began to decay while the victim was still alive, attracting insects that usually waited until the victim had died. As one childhood memory went, a boy was attempting to take care of the burns on his mother's hands, legs, and back in addition to a cracked skull. Like so many others, her burns wouldn't heal, but when the skin dried and peeled off, the boy saw why. His mother's flesh underneath her skin was infested with maggots that swarmed from underneath. Once the skin peeled off, though, flies soon join the maggots.

They cover the exposed wounds in such number that the child found himself in the endless task of gently picking them off one by one. So as to cause the least amount of pain to his mother. Do you know that Tim Allen turned down the pilot of Turner and Hitch? Is that right? And Ted Poe's society. They were going to make that like literally television shows. Yeah. And he turned that down and make fucking home proof. Oh, well, he actually chose right with home improvement.

Turner and Hoch underrated Tom Hanks classic. Yeah. Well, it's a dog. It's a cop. I mean, it's fantastic. And of course, that's hooch. Um, but from what the boy later said, his mother never really complained about the pain

or the obvious itch. The ultimate, harder move. Honestly, it does feel like what my mom would do. Be like, Oh, there's no, oh, don't worry about me. There's nothing wrong. Oh, yes, the bugs of the dead have been attracted to a living being. Yeah. But don't even think about taking care of me. Yes. Oh, you go live your life. Instead, instead, all she would say was, I'd like to eat a peach over and over and over again.

Do we have any peaches? Some actually one of the relatives did travel and she found a peach eventually. But this went on for a month before this woman finally died. However, it's probable that this woman didn't just die from her wounds or from infection. Most likely, she joined the ranks of short-lived survivors who died horrible deaths in the weeks and months after the initial blasts by way of radiation sickness. Now, in 1950, a Japanese survey estimated that a combined 368,259 people had survived the atomic blast. 18 had survived both. These survivors came to be known

by the derogatory term of hebacusha, meaning survivor or exposed one. Derogatory term. It was a bed. Philia means you made it. Well, it was derogatory in its context. If one was a hebacusha, they would live as pariahs in Japanese society for the rest of their lives,

because many people in the rest of the country erroneously believed that radiation exposure and therefore radiation sickness could be contagious. Interesting. Life long. I did not know that. That's very, very interesting. These people were believed by some

to be permanently radioactive. And as a result, they couldn't get jobs and they were forbidden from marrying into certain families. And the Hiroshima and their own word of documentary, a guy talks about it how, you know, he would hide it from everybody, he would hide his scars, he met a nice girl, and then the family found out, you know, they started asking questions

where you from and eventually he had to say Hiroshima. And the second he said Hiroshima, they said exposed one. Get out of here. You can't marry your daughter. And that happened again and again and again to these people for their entire lives. It also sounds like an internalized. There's all it does. And it does sound like they it's an internalized thing of the shame involved in quote unquote losing the war. Sure. And kind of we brought this amongst ourselves or is that vibe? Right? Because the people would take the failures of the government unto themselves because they identified so hard with their own culture naturally as they would. So it's like, it is interesting to see that we're like, just

even the compartmentalized shame within their communities to deny the memory, to get away from the memory. We could use a little bit more shame in this culture, but not that much. We just need not that much. We need like a dollop of shame. Yeah. But we need it in different places. We need to take off.

We have too much shame on sex. We need to take that off and just play, just spread that around through other levels. That's going to violence. And then like these like the politicians, again. They should be shamed every month to remember Each one should be they should be paraded out in diapers Chain ankle to ankle just so they are no we can tell them remember this is your place Mm-hmm your bunches little servants was to do what we did tell you to do throw the rotten food They should be scared of us. Yeah, we should rename Congressman Shit Kids.

That's what we're in for. Shit kids. There we go. Also a great band. Oh, yeah, absolutely sure. Well, in addition to fearing the exposed ones for false reasons, there was the very real fact that any of these people could suddenly drop dead from all manner of cancers.

And as we'll cover later, any of them could be taken off their jobs at a moment's notice to be studied by Americans who found the after effects of the nuclear bomb to be absolutely fascinating. Fascinating. Well, because you know what, we'll get into, we'll get into all the granular details there. It is, it's thick. It's very, yeah, they didn't get any superpowers. It seems like it was really bad.

Nope, no incredible. Oh, here. No, no, we're't get any superpowers. It seems like it was really bad. No, no incredible, Aluxier. No, we're Ant-Man or a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. Now, as far as the dead went, recent estimates put the final death toll at a far higher number than what was touted by general Leslie Groves in the immediate aftermath of the bombings.

It was estimated that 140,000 people were dead by the end of 1945. And within five years, 200,000 were dead. See, that bomb gives you extra for your buck. No, yeah. Yeah, more bang for your buck indeed. When it came to Hiroshima, 54% of their population had died as a result of the little boy bomb.

Also, remember, the estimates are based off the concept that they thought that these bombs were just going to kill everybody clean. Yeah, they were just gonna just show up. It was gonna explode everybody. They're all gonna burst into dust and we wouldn't even have to clean anything up. We would just go and see this cleared land and be so happy and we did it. We just have the number. We'd say like, that's it. Well eventually we did develop that though. It's called the neutron bomb. Wow. Nice. Not that we can't do. That's right, Johnny Neutron. And the days and after the bombing, 71% of Hiroshima's population and 69% of Nagasaki.

No, Henry. No. This is not that kind of 69. This is bad 69. 69% of Nagasaki and 71% of Hiroshima experienced to some degree what was first called Adam-Bombe illness, but soon came to be known as radiation sickness.

To put into perspective, just how much radiation was created by Little Boy and Fat Man, the nuclear incident at Chernobyl created a radiation exposure that peaked at 500 rads. And that actually converse to 1500 groovies. Wow. That is crazy. And 3000 radicles. Indeed. That is a big bomb. Actually, that's what rads is short for is radical. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Groovies is just when you're trying to talk to keep guys. It's groove indeed. I've heard it's in the heart. It is

actually serious condition for like people. I know heard it's in the heart. But it is actually serious condition for us. I know. By comparison, the in-air doses of gamma rays from the uranium bomb that ground zero in Hiroshima, that was over 10,000 rads. I mean, you're just saying numbers here, buddy. I don't know how to quantify that. It's a lot of gunk. Yeah, a lot of gunk.

Okay, think about how deadly Chernobyl was. Like they talk about theunk. Okay, think about how deadly Chernobyl was. Like they talk about the elephant foot. They talk about how dangerous Chernobyl was. That's 500. Okay. Hiroshima? That's 10,000. Yeah.

It's a much larger number. It's bigger. It's more groovies in the last one. Worst thing about having elephant foot is it never. Forget. There's no difference. Forget. But what?

There's the horrors of Chernobyl. But what would a foot need to forget? Oh, just where to go. Yeah, but I was a foot. I wouldn't remember every single time I stepped on dog poop. Oh, forget it. That's gone. Like a socket was even worse.

That was 25,100 rad. That's fucking a higher number than the ones before. It's almost not groovy at all. Yeah. Wow, all the science people are just mad. Yeah. Mad at us. No, it just means it's a higher number than the ones before. It's almost not groovy at all. Yeah. Wow, all the science people are just mad. Yeah. Mad at us. No, it just means it's a lot.

It's a lot. Each rad increases the chances of radiation sickness and increases how bad it's going to get. And I'm about to get into the worst of how bad it gets. As a result, cases of serious radiation sickness reached three miles from ground zero. Now those who didn't die in the blast or soon after the blast seemed to improve in the days afterwards, giving the doctors a little bit of hope that maybe the worst was over. But within a week, radiation sickness began to take hold as those who were severely exposed

began to fall apart from the inside out. I don't like that. Because they really thought that it would take a long time to die from radiation to have project scientists. Yes, they thought that why would they think that? Well, it's because every other example we've had of radiation exposure showed someone that you got basically a little bits at a time and they thought that eventually you would kind of grow, you get sick, you got mudam curi. Yeah, right?

Was an example of that. That is 64. Oh, okay. But younger than she should have, but like ideas are like, she still like had a life. And they kind of thought that this would be, that they would hold true no matter what, that you kind of would get these things. They were wrong. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll see what happens in Florida. They're paving the highways now with radioactive materials. So we'll see what happens. We. They're paving the highways now with radioactive materials. So we'll see what happens Another reason to not go well. I mean everyone's gonna be dead soon Well radiation sickness usually began with hair falling out in large clumps bleeding from the mouth Gums throat rectum and urinary tract soon follow Literally bleeding out of your dick. Oh gosh.

And that was in addition to nausea and loss of appetite. Then came, I could see the loss of appetite. Yeah, I mean, just because the mirror, just the whole thing is pretty not appetizing. Yeah. Then came the bloody vomit and diarrhea, as the victim's body began to seriously hemorrhage. So terrified were people of radiation sickness that many survivors woke up every morning and they tugged on their hair to see if they were the next to die of a condition that was at the time

barely understood but greatly feared. As we now know, radiation sickness affects the body by causing rapid cell division, but the radiation itself temporarily suppresses the action. It's delayed. And once that wears off, internal tissues and organs rapidly begin to collapse into an unrecognizable bloody mass. Yeah, you, you, it's like what the machine from the fly does, but it doesn't like inside of your body over and over again.

Yeah, you got to make sure no fly sneaks in there. No. The radiation causes massive tissue death, massive hemorrhage, and massive infection. This caused one doctor to compare the radiation death sicknesses to the black death of the 1300s in terms of the sheer number of deaths and the carnage that came with them.

I got a really good email this morning as I was researching that I thought was real, it was a, this guy, he was great. And he was basically saying, imagine just the spookiness of radioactive material in general. It is rocks that come from the earth that glow. They literally glow in, in dark. They look at it and they disassemble any sort of matter that is in a circle around it. And so imagine that sort of matter that is in a circle around it. And so imagine that vaporize just like spread across all this up. And all it does is turn everything into fucking soup. Yep. I don't like it. When autopsies were performed on victims in Nagasaki, doctors found upon opening the bodies that the internal veins

had been torn to shreds. And as far as the organs went, they were so badly destroyed that they had begun to decay even before the victim had themselves died. The organs died first. You don't want that. Quite a quitting. You want to time it. Yeah. That's what happened. That's it. It was millennials. The organs were made of millennials. You've been having to hurt millennials ruined. They're having an internal organs business. Another fun. Another funnier. There's a lot of millennial culture.

We're the greatest generation. Well, as a result, when the bodies were cremated, they gave off a strange smell. Most assumed that it was because of the radiation, but as those experienced incremation pointed out at the time, it was in fact because the bodies being burned were simultaneously in two different stages of decay. and cremation pointed out at the time, it was in fact because the bodies being burned were simultaneously in two different stages of the K. See, a lot of times what I found is that if you don't know what that flavor is, it's fish sauce.

Oh, it could be, that's common. That is common, but I don't know if that's really the case here. I'm surprised they actually went the burning route. I don't know what the safest way is. That is technically still the safest way. Yeah, that's the safest way. And it's also the only way that I mean, they're not going to dig, you know, there's no other way to get rid of these

bodies. And they also know that, you know, the more bodies you have, the more disease you have, you've got to get, if you have a bunch of bodies, you've got to get rid of them fast. Yeah. Yeah, buddy, every Sunday. I got a bunch of bodies. It's kind of nice because it's like that's kind of me and Kissel's bonding time. Yeah. When I can go I help him with his pyramid of bodies. Obviously, I'm we're not because because I can't ask questions about that. Yeah. I can ask questions about him. Yeah. And I get to know him more and I have stuff like, you know, he loves the color orange. Wow. I don't hate it. Green is my favorite color, but orange is fine. Is it part of our again? And then I was just like, is this the fun? Is this your fucking

look alike of your mother? I would never do that. I just want to near me. Full of holes. Yeah. Yeah. By the eight week mark, though, deaths by acute radiation poisoning began to cease, although the long term effects carried on for decades. leukemia cases began two years after and peaked at eight years after, but every survivor had a far higher chance than the average person of all manner cancers for the rest of their lives. I actually, my conspiracy theory little thought of my own head is I thought that maybe that they thought that these diseases would because they thought they thought they were long term

things that would slowly come about. So I figured in my mind that maybe they thought, well, once they have a project, they may have your project people guys. And like at some point, we'll start to see this information come out, but it'll be decades after the fact when they'll have written all these exposés. We won't have to deal with it till later on. We'll be dead by the time they're talking about the actual like, repercussions of these bombings, but it turned out it was day three. Yeah. Now, as far as what the people behind the Manhattan Project knew about the possible side

effects of the bomb, the dangers of radiation and at least a lab setting have been well documented since the 1920s. As we said, Marie Curie, like they knew that her journals were still radioactive. And they'll make you sick. And they'll make you sick. Me and a random makes you sick. Yeah. If you're around them for a long time, or if you're exposed to like Marie Curie died many years later because of how many X ratio is exposed to during World War one.

I also got some good thing on the radio. I mean, it's still not good to just be touching radio. No, but you got ingested, but you shouldn't do any of it. I would say that radio, use a glove. Use a glove. In the Manhattan Project itself, all laboratories monitored radiation exposure constantly, and they had precise handling procedures for nuclear material to prevent long-term exposure, like Marie Curie. Nobody, however, had seen what acute radiation poisoning might do to a large population.

Like, what if we turn it into a purified gas that just goes into you? Because also radiation just goes through all of your cells, like it doesn't have to go like, especially in that form, like it shows everywhere. And it just zips right through your body back and forth as the wind blows it back. And that's the thing. The wind carries radiation everywhere. That's why after Chernobyl, there were so many cases of cancer in a vast large circle. Yeah.

That's actually that's what the biggest danger of a nuclear meltdown actually is, is that it's not the immediate surrounding area. It's everywhere. It's, uh, it's where the wind takes the radio activity. You want to get some big fans, put them around, just have them facing out. Yeah. Put them to the White House. Yeah. Uh, this guy, uh, uh, it's kind of crazy because Robert Auburnheimer, even he said it after all of this, he made a little like, like when the bomb drops and all the kind of, and there was like, you know, obviously celebrating for a couple of days or and then everyone's like, what did we just do?

Robert Auburnheimer said that he thought that theoretically his statement that the radiation would have basically not have made it to the ground. He thought that it would have dissipated before it got to everybody. And he was also wrong. Yes, he was. And I think that the solar, the water purposely like, well, I think they called it Fallout after the fact that false. Yeah. Well, the scientists, the Manhattan Project, I think they were certainly smart enough to

speculate. The problem was that their scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think this year. Whoa! You can't handle the truth. Finds a, yeah. Oh, hey. Oh my god, check, go, boom.

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actually that's far more than 20 years ago. That's 30 years ago. 30 years ago. Mm hmm. Fucking shit. Now by late August 1945, about three weeks after the bomb dropped, international media outlets began picking up stories from the Japanese press about a mysterious and deadly illness that had no doubt been caused by the bombs. General Leslie Groves, however, went into damage control mode immediately and dismissed the stories as Japanese propaganda meant to garner sympathies. See? That's all you got to do. That's all you got to do.

How about not? No. But general Leslie Groves, I think in many ways, it's also personal because Robert Almeheimer also went in hard right afterwards to say like, you know, we're trying to kind of validate, figure these things out. I think general Leslie Groves, in many ways, Yes, he was trying to save his ass and he was trying to save like the view of a Manhattan project to history, but I also think that there was a great sense of guilt from what I was reading about him and denial and he did not. They did not know

that when you literally use the building blocks of the universe itself that it might not be good. It might be a Pandora's box. Maybe they allowed themselves to be willfully ignorant. Yeah, because they had to know something was going to go wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They just thought maybe just big explosion. Yeah. Well, the groves said the only reason why the death toll kept rising was because they were finding more bodies. Well, that makes sense. And then technically, Leslie, that's just making better. He said, he said during that, but that was happening during the rest of the efforts. I think that those bodies shouldn't count. And they should only be one day of counting bodies. Yeah. What if we named one of the bombs, Mulligan?

Now, Groves willfully ignored what he was being told about what was happening in both cities because soldiers showed up in Nagasaki pretty soon after the bomb dropped. And that's the thing with soldiers. Yes. Probably not safe for them either, to be honest. But that also tells you how little they understood it. Because they're sending us soldiers in there to check it out. If they thought it was that dangerous, they wouldn't have done that.

That's why I do think that there is a, there is a level of ignorance about what the fuck they just did. Yes. I don't think that they, they just did not fully appreciate that we're gonna melt people here. No, they didn't think about it hard enough. No, like they, they only thought about the bomb, they only try to end the war. Yeah, they only thought about making the bomb, or they're trying to fucking beat the Germans.

Like, and they're only thinking about making the bomb, all the problems about dropping the bomb, they're not putting any thought into what the bomb's actually gonna do afterwards. That's the thing with scientists, man, very focused, but if you get them off track, it's just like, what are you even talking about? Yeah, it's very scary. And you turned that a lot of their stuff because there's the problems of when you get them

off track, you find out everything they're doing is going to like, yeah, a rhythmically change. History is going to make a bunch of people turn into like sock puppets and shit. And you're like, you want to stop talking? Well, we just, I don't want to know anymore. Shout a pivot, but there's nothing to pivot to. Well, furthermore, general as they grows, became even more aware of the consequences

of acute radiation poisoning after an incident that occurred on American soil with a little something called the demon core. And there was nothing cute about it. No, but the demon core, I don't think it sounds very cute. I see, I like the demon core, because I think the demon core I don't think it sounds very cute. I see I like the demon core because I think the demon core would hang you upside down and just play your butthole like it was a goddamn

Cornell dude. No the demon core is misunderstood. I don't know if they do. I've been playing the oblo for dude. I know what these fucking demons can do now man. And if you upgrade they will kill you the demon core was just honestly being blamed for being itself. Now, if you'll remember from episode five, little boy and fat man were the only two atomic bombs in existence when they dropped. So Los Alamos was hard at work on a third, just in case America wanted to drop another on Japan. And that's a hard want. That's not a need. Oh, yeah, because they just said that the one is, I forgot what the bill was, the Truman said were basically they right after they bombed. They were trying to figure out, well, how do we stop this bubble bomb? And Truman's like, no, Manhattan

project continues as it was before. So we're just keeping bumping shit out. The plutonium core for bomb number three, however, soon developed a reputation for injuring or killing the people who worked on it. You see, you supposed to be a bomb. And it was supposed to do, it was supposed to live this life and have this fun thing and it never got to. It's really sad. The story of the bomb that never was. It's Rudy of the entire bomb.

Yeah. It just seemed to be like, and this is his one shot. You finally got in the game a little bit, but just kill it. Yeah, he killed two scientists, but that was him. That's his version of playing the one play on the Notre Dame. Well, in the first of two serious accidents, a scientist was performing experiments on the core when he mishandled a component. And it sounds so fucking frightening because again, it's also real loose too.

Yeah, because the core, like, I, that's one of those things I had to like figure out how to wrap my brain around because I couldn't really understand when they talk about piles and cores and like what does this even mean? Bricks and bricks because they dropped a brick. Yeah, and then I realized oh, it's just that pile just a pile like it's they put it like in a metal circle like the plutonium in a metal circle And then they build these bricks of stuff around it that are supposed to make all the neutrons within it Bounce around right you basically make it like an oven with the plutonium in the center of it these bricks of stuff around it that are supposed to make all the neutrons within it bounce around, right? You basically make it like an oven with the plutonium in the center of it, but I just didn't understand. I thought it would be way more technical than that, but it's literally just

like it's a brick made out of extremely technical metals that he put together, but all you have to do is fucking whoopsy. Yeah, you don't want your last words to be that is gonna be my last one. That's something to be coming my pants. I think my last words are gonna be that's not a word. Kissle no. No, he'll be begging me. Kill me.

Please kill me now. Well, I can't, man. I'll go to jail, dude. Well, the component fell into the core, caused a chain reaction and bade the scientist in radiation. Oh, good. The scientist lived in the immediate, but died decades later of leukemia.

And that's not too bad. But a second scientist exposed a year later, he would not be so lucky. Oh, yeah. They got to tighten it up the strings here. You got to, you got to, you got to, make sure that just stop dropping all the stuff. This is the, but the next,

his nickname was like flat head. Oh, you'll do it. His nickname was flat head and that was deserved. He had that nickname for a reason. Now, presumably, since a third nuclear bomb hadn't been necessary, this plutonium core remained an experimental object because they were bigger and better bombs on the horizon. Oh, so the demon core kept changing hands as the experiments continued.

And almost a year after Hiroshima, a scientist named Lewis Slotten, who'd been working on the core, was in the process of handing over responsibility to another scientist. Demons can do a lot, but you know what? When I think of catching a football or holding on to atomic energy or materials, they drop stuff. Yeah. The hands are actually not good for grip. I mean, they're good for gripping, but you know, I think demons also get distracted very easily. Yeah. Again, you're hung up on the demons. I think of the demon Etrogen and he wielded a sword many a time to great effect.

Yeah, I was a demon. But what if you literally played a demon for fucking, well, then I know that. I know that. Yeah, but didn't know that, but didn't you drop stuff all the time? You were dropping stuff all the time and you were pissed on. It's like a funny character. But we're homerchems and like fiddiot. You were also distracted by a big pair of tits.

Oh, you're on the brink of the comic materials. And then very good. But then you'd be like, oh, I'm supposed to be doing this. And then you see tits, you're going to drop it because you're a demon. Yeah, but there's no tits here. Scientists at this time, there were not a lot of tits in science. We don't know that. And if I remember from pretty face, most of the demons were not too bright. No, and now all of them were just ugly men.

So, point of proof, actually. Now, for the whole time, slot and have been performing experiments on the demon core, he'd arrogantly used a flat head screwdriver during a step that required absolute precision. This guy's a fucking asshole. Yeah, he's a fucking asshole. I mean, his way because what he did was you remember in Tommy boy when he gets mad at the woman because you know, you find out all the end of the movie where he, she says that she doesn't keep a filing cabinet and she just does her own specific way.

That's this guy in hell, where he just was like, no, I do it this way. Roo is two halves of non-critical material or pre-critical material. Right. That he would layer between each other and before they could completely seal, right? Because they'd have to be together and the two halves would have to seal to create a critical reaction. He'd just stuck a fucking screwdriver in between. Right.

And then that's what he'd use. And they're all be like, hey, Louis, you know, you have this nickname for some fucking reason, but please don't do this anymore. And he's like, I know what I'm doing. Yeah. And to be fair to her, she was sabotaged by that man. I mean, sex with his mother. I know.

Um, so, but slotting, he wore cowboy boots and blue jeans and the laboratory. Yeah, he was, he did things a little different around here. He was, some stuff is a bit of a maverick. And I think he used the screwdriver as some sort of affectation to separate himself from all these fucking nerds. Yeah. Oh good. Yeah. But as it went, nerds like Enrico Fermi were warning him that if he continued using a flat-head screwdriver during a complicated nuclear experiment, he'd be dead within a year. Also, or you're going to blow up whatever fucking city this thing's in the center of. That wouldn't be good. This is where you need to respect the nerd.

You are in the nerd land. Yes. You're not on the ranch, where you think you might have an upper hand. Yeah, I'm not looking for the best chicken wing. No, I'm asking for nuclear experiment advice. This is where the nerd shines. Yeah, Richard Feynman said the technique was quote tickling the dragon's tail. Because one slip off, one slip up could set off a nuclear chain reaction that would literally

blow up and slot in space. Yeah, it would ruin a chunk of America. Yeah, you know the dragons breathe fire. Do they fart fire? I don't think so. I don't think so. I think there's some sort of gland in their throat. Is it gland? It's a gland. According to the Dungeons and Dragons, it's a gland.

It is a gland. Okay, great. And predictably, that's exactly what happened. Right at the end of slot in time with the demon core. As he was showing his replacement, how the experiment was done, Slotten screwdriver slipped a fraction of an inch, which set off the nuclear chain reaction

that he'd been warned against forever so long. Can you imagine that you do that because in the half slap, it just starts glowing. Like this thing just starts blowing up with blue light. Well, at most time, it turns out, you gotta like. Well, it wasn't a slow. It was a big. But then he had to like knock it off the top. He literally uses bare hand to like flip the fucking thing off the top of it.

It's kind of what they were creating. Happy death day too. A little bit. A little bit. Yes. I love those. It bathed slot with a lethal dose of a thousand rats Wow, I'm a radiation Wow, that was the invention of hyper color fantastic shirts from the 90s If you had tits and you were a man

Well the sad literally number upside down number three I created with one of those thermal color shirts with my little boy takes like ruined that shirt for me. I knew it. Yeah. That was one of the flaws in the plan. Oh, it was. It was for delicious woman's breasts. Yes, yes. Not for a little fat boys.

He was marking it to boys, though. Yeah, it was. And the shitty thing was that the replacement also got just a little bit of the radiation. Oh, yeah. Not a whole lot, but he got a little bit of the radiation. Oh, yeah. Not a whole lot, but he got a little bit. But slot and died nine days later with his guts turned into a slurry of blood and decayed tissue, like so many in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Well, they don't know. They, they, they said that at this time, this was the only real evidence they had of acute

radiation poisoning. Yeah. So they didn't, it wasn't until after the bombs had already been dropped when they were due and then they're like, oh, wow, oh, we didn't know it does this fucking shit. I mean, technically he kind of donated his life to science. He did. Well, that's what he said that comment. His last word, well, did the words in the laboratory

he did, he's like, well, that's done. That's what I like. What he said at the end of it. It was actually good last words. the laboratory's he did, he's like, well, that's done. He's like one of the enemies. Actually, good last words. It was a scary too, right? Because you don't feel anything in first. You know now you're dead. Oh, yeah, dead, dead, dead.

But you can't, you don't know until days later. And in a pretty, I would try to jump on walls to see if I could stick. You do. And it's because of the sloughing. Oh, that's not a good reason to stick. Well, Leslie Groves, he knew the details of the demon core incident because he was still in charge of the Manhattan Project. We still haven't said go on the demon core that even though it was told it couldn't be

a bomb, it could still kill people. Yeah. And Leslie Groves was maintaining a year after the bombings that from what doctors told him radiation sickness was a, quote, pleasant way to die. No. Well, compared to what getting, uh, being my bargadafi, there's a couple of guns shoved up your ass.

Oh, my guess is nicer than that. Or the only thing I will say, it's like mostly more pleasant than is like, you never been in a scenario when your head has been kind of like lodged in a sort of like a desert scenario, like kind of cruevas, like between two rocks and then your butthole because maybe you have been gaped or you're on vacation. Your wife says we're here at our favorite river spot. I peg you here. Yes. And we all know this is what happens. And then let's just say you she left a bunch of honey in there. And so all up inside, and then they were living inside, and then they were slowly maturely eating their way out from your soft, it's like out through your mouth.

So it's definitely more pleasant than that. Not naturally. The horrific deaths in Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't something that the United States government wanted to be public knowledge because it destroyed the moral high ground that we've been flaunt since the end of the war and especially since the end of the European theater. But we understood at the time too is that I guess we're abandoning the moral high ground and we are just showing the world that we can blow you the fuck up. Well, I mean, this is a different time for

America. I think they were teaching newborns how to smoke because they thought it was going to be really good for lung growth. No, it was. So we didn't know a lot of stuff back then. Well, at this time, like we had respect and we wanted, but eventually we wanted respect and fear. And we knew that embeds the thing is that once Hiroshima came out, once all this came out, respect, win away. And all we were left with was fear.

Yep. And isn't that what Jason Voorhees has been looking for this entire time? It's all fun. See, it was one thing to have a weapon that made a big boom to scare the Soviets. The international community, they could wrap their heads around that. But it was something else altogether to create a full-blown hell on earth in two highly populated cities. Enemies are not. So Leslie Groves deflected any conversation about the after effects of the bombings by emphasizing the bad shit Japan had done during the war, which is real and totally viable. Absolutely.

Like, yes, unit 731, the rape of Nanking, the JAP, Pearl Harbor, everything. Yeah. Did a lot of fucked up shit. Yeah. And that's the thing. Leslie Groves, for America, focused on Pearl Harbor. He focused on the innocent civilians that have been killed in the process. Speaking to the New York Times, Groves said that if Japan didn't like the way we ended the war,

they should remember who started it. You know, there is that little bit. There's a tiny bit, but again, if it had just stopped in Hiroshima, if it had been known, they've never would have dropped it at all. I'm just saying that I was going to drop it. At the very least, someone's going to drop it. I'm not saying that it was good or I'm just saying with no drop. Yeah. At the very little one's going to drop. I'm not saying that it was good or I'm just saying that I said last episode, I can wrap my head around the one. It's the follow up

that made that changed really the entire vibe. I think that's just because they named it fat man and you're offended. No, because I'm both. I'm that man and little boy. But that's the thing is that I can't wrap my head around Hiroshima because they knew for a fact that they didn't need to drop it and they knew that they were killing tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of civilians. No, they wanted to. Well, crazy. Let's just say they should have done some things different. Wow.

Yes. Very crazy. Very good. Dave, do you think it's different? different. Wow. Yes. Very brave. Very good. Do you think it's different? Complicated. Yeah. Right from North Korea. Now the American government had put General Douglas MacArthur in charge of overseeing the American occupation of Japan. And MacArthur was given the directive that he could exercise his authority as he deemed proper to carry out his mission.

That's good. You want to give generals just unbelievable amounts of power for them to do anything they want. Uh, uh, uh, thankfully MacArthur mostly ruled fairly and without cruelty. He actually instituted a lot of good thing. He gave women the right to vote. He changed up their whole government. He kind of tried to make Japan like a mini-America. But I mean, the ultimate motive was to turn Japan into an American ally, gets the Soviets

in the upcoming Cold War. And it worked! And it worked! It definitely worked. There were some solid consequences. But no matter the motivation, MacArthur's men, for the most part, treated the Japanese with respect. They briefed them on Japanese courtesy, they briefed them on language, geography, culture,

this became an actually successful hearts and minds mission. To the point where Japanese children became enamored by American troops who gave them candy, a tot them simple English words, like, hello, and thank you, and all that type of shit. Yeah, it's like, you know, when you get kidnapped and sometimes they're nice to you. Yeah, that's the idea. It's like, wow, today I'm not getting completely destroyed. So thanks for the, thanks for the soul's birth stick. That's called marriage.

Yeah, that is. But even though many of these interactions with American troops were pleasant, the speed at which America was rebuilding Japan resulted in serious infractions that any culture would find distasteful. Oh yeah, because now you're getting a taste of American, of our true American ingenuity.

You know what ingenuity are stick to our, our stick to it. And I even stick to it. I guess a little bit of our true American ingenuity. Mm-hmm. Ingenuity are stick to our stick to it. I think stick to it. I guess a little bit of our gumption. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Gumption. Needing to build an airfield in Nagasaki in an area nicknamed Atomic Field, soldiers

used bulldozers to clear the ruins. Those ruins, however, were still filled with thousands of dead bodies and skeletons. And they're rushed to build the field. The bulldozer operators treated the bones of the dead the same as the sand, soil, and rubble. That mixture was used in broken roads and Nagasaki, which are presumably still in use today. Wow. And I think that's a good metaphor for marriage.

It really is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why? Because you got it in order to build something new, you got to just bulldoze through all the bad shit of the past and just build something on top of it. Turn it into a story. You can build on top of it. But then you also just see what seems to be seashells in the walls that is the memories of the fights for the past. Yeah. As you see in Edinburgh, because half of their walls are just fucking

human bones. It's very interesting. But that's the thing is that that's only if you obsess on things, that's what it is that you don't want to obsess on the small things in the past. You just want to look at the good things that you built. That's a nice wall. That's what you say instead of, oh, that wall is littered with the broken bones of my ancestors and all these other things. I could say, oh, nice wall. I built something. I built something good from all the bad. Yes, I think that's really smart. That's well. And we built it. And we built it. And we built it. And we built it together.

So all you out there, be a bulldozer of love. Be it. Yeah. But if you build it together, then I should, whatever. Then no one gets any credit. Single. Well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they had far larger problems than what they were going to do with the dead.

See since so many kids have been taken out of the cities to avoid the fire bombings, mercifully missing the atomic bomb, thousands returned to the cities as so-called atomic bomb orphans or Gimbaku Koji. These children are Gimbaku Koji. I have no idea. These children were left to fend for themselves, and many became desperate. In one case, a boy drank water from flower vases and cemeteries in order to survive. He would go on to form the Japanese version of the cure.

Oh, isn't that something you can do? Isn't that nice? Others had to leave their pitiful shelters and cross former playgrounds that had since been used as mass cremation sites just to retrieve clean drinking water. And as a result, they walked on the ashes of human remains and bone fragments day after day in the playgrounds that they used to play in. I'm sound symbolic, but it's not. No. but it's not. No. But as it almost always goes in times of chaos and desperation, some took great advantage of these orphan children and none were more cruel with their exploitation than the Japanese mafia, aka the Yakuza. Oh, I played them in video games before.

There's also a new sort of GTA style game where you get to play the Yakuza. It's fun. So I wonder if they'll have this in there. I don't know if they will, then using them taking advantage of the orphans of the time. A weird side quest, a strange side mission. I don't like it. Yeah, the pedophilic sex slavery side quest. Yeah, far, far too realistic. I don't like that. No, I'm good. It's too easy. Now the Yakuza had been largely inactive during the war because so many of them had been conscripted into the Imperial Army. But once the war was over, the Yakuza quickly reformed and created a thriving black market. In addition, members of the Yakuza also found themselves in positions of power. See, in rebuilding the Japanese government following the war,

General MacArthur attempted to weed out most of the ultra-nationalist Japanese citizens from civil service. This was the same thing that we did in Germany with a policy called denotification. But we did it on our side vaguely, but we also had the other side in Russia that were using active Nazis

to prop up the governments in all of these places. And we did it too. We did do it. We brought in Nazis. We let them run the show half the time because, well, with the notification, we tried to take all the Nazis out. We did try it at first, but then we found like, oh, shit, everyone's a Nazi. And nobody is here to run the government.

No one knows how anything works. So they had no choice but to put the Nazis back in power if they wanted Germany to survive in any way whatsoever. That's the type of shit I actually find more reprehensible than a lot of, I have some other shit, which is like that's one of those things where we did just kind of let them operate

the fucking for a while. There's only so many Germans there. No, I know. There's only so many Germans. You can take the Nazi, you can take the German, wait, you can take the German. Let me see him. Let me see how he works. I know. I'm a German. You can't take the German out of a Nazi. No, you can. Wow. I just, you're just damning yourself. You're damning your entire family because a lot of Germans left a lot of Nazis left

Germany and went to all sorts of places and were still Nazis. They did. Yeah, you can go anywhere and be a Nazi. Even a lot of America. Oh, I know. Please. But you can't have like a 10 year old boy running the police department in Duceldoire. Oh, that's cool. I mean, that's bad. I mean, kid captain, kid captain, all the guns are nothing but snickered little bar.

And he's free and homework's legal. I love this new kid captain. But just as it was in Germany, MacArthur soon found that after he removed these ultra-nationalists, there was nobody left to keep the peace because a lot of these ultra-nationalists had been unsurprisingly cops. As a consequence, there was little,

yeah, look at the ultra-nationalists we have in America. Yeah, a lot of cops. There are some cops in there, aren't there? I've seen some guys at the grocery store. As a consequence, there was little to no police presence in all of Japan. So the Yakuza filled the gap. Because really, this is a case of damned if you do damned. Yes. In one case in the city of Kobe, the Yakuza put down an uprising of formerly enslaved Koreans at the request of the mayor. Yakuza put down an uprising of formerly enslaved Koreans

at the request of the mayor. This, of course, put the mayor in debt to the Yakuza, but nobody in the occupational government had any real interest in getting mixed up with Japan's increasingly powerful criminal underbelly. Seems like the mayor got into some political issues there. I think he got a little over his head. I think so too. I think that a lot of times I feel like a mayor and in post atomic Japan was like pretty overwhelmed. Well, a lot of Japan, it's kind of like escape from New York. Yeah. Like there's just fucking there. It's all chaos. And then you know, MacArthur comes in. It's just like, yep, anyone who's like super into Japan as, you know, a superior nation.

We don't want you anymore. Why you can't be in there? And now we have the Yakuza who's jumping in and they are just straight up saying like, oh, this is our time to make some money. Yeah, and the Yakuza are straight up evil. Like, and we're about to get into just how evil the Yakuza could be. It's an impossible request to be like,

you're a Japanese citizen. Hate your country. No, no, no, no, no, not hate your country. Just don't treat your country as if it is a god. Yeah, you did just be an American, but look like a Japanese person. Yeah. It's like the person that did that just dropped two huge bombs on you as requesting that you no longer, uh, it seems to be complex. It's complex. It's far. You know what I think complex. Yeah, it's complex because Japan did after all,, start the war. Well on the negative side of the occupation, there was collaboration in both the sale of

black market goods and heavy participation by the Americans in a massive sex slave trade that was created in the chaos of a ruined country that was still starving. By October of 1945, just a month after Japan's surrender, a group called the Recreation and Amusement Association had opened one of the largest brothels in the world using traffic women posing as quasi-gayches. And American troops were regular customers. But when it came to exploitation, the Akusa were most cruel with the children

of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who could disappear without anyone noticing or caring. Now, the orphan boys had relatively innocuous jobs. They would use shoe polish stalls as fronts to sell bootleg alcohol and heroin. Yeah, and if that was just the only thing that was happening, it would be part of me to be like, that's fun as hell. That's what I was saying. Well, that's just.

Or things selling alcohol and heroin hanging out, flipping coins, being like, wait, look at that. Who's messed up? That's fun as hell. Like you're selling alcohol and heroin hanging out, flipping coins. Been like, we look at that. Who's messed up like that? Fun. Just legalized, just legalized it at that point. I think booze was probably a good thing. Well, it's not really needed. It's not that booze was illegal.

It was that booze wasn't really being manufactured in any specific way because all the factories were destroyed. There's probably like not the first thing they wanted to do with the factories. No, no, no, no, they had to get everything else back online. Right. The girls, however, most between eight and 11 years old, they were sold into sex slavery, either privately or in red light districts all over Japan. More often than not, after the girls were used up to put it crudely, they would disappear,

either killed or turned back out to the streets to starve. Man, this is just fucking, this is a very scary time period. Yeah. Those orphans who weren't picked up by the Yakuza, however, starve to death by the thousands once winter came. Many died with stones in their mouths because presumably having something to suck upon was somewhat soothing.

And Yakuza had told the control over the food deliveries and they would decide who got what and then they would like basically take all the rations and then they would sequester them and they would make people line up and then you have to buy them from them like really, you know, at a highly increased price. Sure. Yeah. Now, the United States certainly had a vested interest in rebuilding Japan's economy and infrastructure because they desperately needed as many allies in Asia as they could get The United States certainly had a vested interest in rebuilding Japan's economy and infrastructure

because they desperately needed as many allies in Asia as they could get, especially since China was obviously on its way to full-blown communism by this point. But when it came to treating the radiation-related illnesses caused by the bomb, dropped by the occupying forces, they opted instead for scientific research. This is why people get upset with scientists and doctors, because this is one of those things, because they arrived here to try to at first be thought that they were coming to help, but then it turns out they were just trying to watch a melt in a controlled situation. I mean, it's disgusting.

We've been doing other experiments on special needs people for a long time. And on the own orphans of an American streets, honestly, I'm just, I mean, it's disgusting. We've been doing other experiments on special needs people for a long time and I'm the own orphans of an American streets. Honestly, I'm I mean, experimentation being done on human beings. And I know I was made in a lab. I I think it has to be this perfect. Yeah, I know. I know. It's actually it's kind of been a burden for me and I didn't ask to be geoengineered. You were kind of experimented on when it comes to heaps of pasta. I was gonna one family consume. And guess what? It's a nice. It's a nice. How much pasta does it take to replace love and affection?

You know what? Up to a pound. I've heard me in one pound. I grew up with that with a lot of parm. With a lot of parm. Yeah. With these scientists, they weren't With a lot of parm. Yeah. With these scientists, they weren't experimenting. They were just studying.

They wanted to know the long-term effects of radiation on the large population, and in order to get clean data, they were framed from treating any and all illnesses suffered by the populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a result of radiation. So in order to study these effects, an organization called the Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission was founded in 1946 to study the effects of the atomic bomb in the long term, meaning their original test subjects were mostly children and young adults. It is. So we're talking about the bomb as a job creator now. Oh, very much so. There you go. Look at that. But very bright before this, they had released a report that was actually

fairly thorough explaining the Manhattan Project to the United States of America. And they said out this like long thing, kind of explaining what atomic power was and what it does and what it's going to do. And it's a, it is interesting and what it left out because it talks about basically it ends at Trinity. Like you see this big report come out and you're like, and then we did it. I know does not mention the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki afterwards because this is up until then when then because now they're trying to figure out like, okay, what the fuck did we just do? I mean, there's so many again complicated, but from a science perspective, I mean, it is

it's huge achievement. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now it's it because then they'll say we're using the research to figure out how to build a more humane course. Of course, of course, that's what a tactical nucus, a tactical nucus, the idea is like, you mean, spread just small, just small spread. That's why when they were, when we were in Europe and they were all just all like, really, we like, and this is why I remember seeing a headline that was like, why tactical nukes are actually okay for you? You're like,

just I can't right now. Well, at least once a year for the rest of their lives, these subjects participated in examinations that usually occurred under harsh fluorescent lights, and they were always forced to strip down naked so the scientists could study every aspect of possible ill effects. In the most humiliating of exams,

some were forced to stand on stage in auditoriums full of doctors and scientists. In the case of the daughter of Reverend Tonimoto, the man we mentioned last episode, who was forced to meet the co-pilot of the Anola Gay on live television. She went through this mortifying indignation at the age of 13. She actually got a really interesting email about Reverend Tana Moto and the after the fact and that it actually helped him. He said apparently this was actually really good for him, uh, the meeting the pilot from Enola Gay, helped him put a human face on it.

And there was like a whole story where they kind of like came together and figured it actually was like a healing moment in his life. When life Garrett met the person that he hit when he was driving drunk and then the guy was in a wheelchair forever, but they met on VH1 and the like got to apologize finally. Yes. God was the line. Me and Carolyn used to say to each other all the time because like it's something about

like fucked up bro or I can't. Oh yeah. I fucked up bro. Yeah, remember that. Something like that. Oh man. I've come and clean. I forgive you.

I forgive you. I mean, I would be like. Lift up my legs so I can take you in the butt once. Drink some on you. Well, this is frozen to both frozen to smile. Like I said, come. After being shoved on stage and auditorium full of doctors, and I know indignation isn't the right word there. It's bothering me, mortifying indignation.

It's not indignation. It's, I would say it's mortifying technically. It's, I know what you're saying. Humiliation. Dissecration, humiliation. Degradation. Yeah, degradation. Degradation, that's the word I was looking for.

Whoa! Thank you so very much. I do know words. Mr. ACT. Wow. I got a 19 baby. Mr. ACT. Wow. I got a 19 baby. 19.

26 and writing, 26 and reading, 13 in math, and I believe a 12 in science. Very good. Wow, very nice. I got a 27. But that was still a big, I mean, it still a side of 27. Don't 27 out of 32 is pretty good.

I didn't take the ACT. I believe it was 36. I was in IB program, so I didn't have it. Now it's 32 because I do. What's the two? Yeah, because I got one take the CTs. I didn't have to. I was in the IB program set in half. Now it's 32 because I do. Yeah, because I got one question away from perfect on reading comprehension. Yes, see, that's where I did well as well.

Yeah, just another completely valid bragging point. Yes, indeed. Especially once you're over 40. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the kiss rooms, it take them anymore. Really? No, no, no, no.

You just gotta be able to pay. They just like, they have to go in, they have to say like vibes. Mm, you know what I mean? They have to pass a They just like, they have to go in, they have to say like vibes. You know what I mean? They have to pass a vibe check and then they have to go like then, then they go to Zoom University and then mostly they just go

and they create destabilizing videos on the internet. Yeah, that's right. Do it with a lot of debt as well, unfortunately. But the ABCC still exists to this day as the radiation effects research foundation, although such cruel examinations is those suffered in the 50s are long in the past.

I would hope so. These days, they mostly studied the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors in order to see the hereditary effects of radiation poisoning. And it's now voluntary. Come here, John. I just want to say, I just want to make sure how many eyes you have. Could you still have two? Two eyes.

Flippers. Looking for flippers? No flippers, huh? Throw them away. I want a flipper one. I would assume it does go through the generations. I don't. If you take into for flippers? No, no flippers, huh? Throw them away. I want a flipper one. I would assume it does go through the generations. I don't. If you take into account led poisoning, you take it and you join to all of your shit inside

of him. It involves your entire body. Yeah. Now, as far as the press went concerning Hiroshima and Nagasaki, General MacArthur was able to keep a lid on the worst effects for a fair amount of time, longer than you'd think. So, while the Japanese press were freer than they'd been under the imperial government

when it came to censorship. They still weren't allowed to report any details about the after effects of the bombings. Likewise, foreign reporters had to submit all reports to occupation censors for approval. But with such a massive story involving so many people, the truth was bound to get out eventually. In the year after the bombing, two journalists

almost got the stories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki out to the rest of the world, but both were stopped just short of publishing by the government. Wow. The man who finally got the word out, though, was a Pulitzer Prize winner, in fiction named John Hersey, who not only brought the story of the bombings to the world,

but revolutionized nonfiction writing with his report on Hiroshima. He was the man who was said to have created the new journalism. And the story he wrote on Hiroshima is considered by the New York Times and a list they did in 1999 as the best piece of journalism of the 20th century. Well, it's incredible because it was an extremely closely held secret. It was one of our, how do we put this? Later on, we discover many layers of kind of shame that American would experience, but this is like a, this is a big one. Obviously, it was a very, very big one.

Now, and a poll conducted a week after the bombings, 85% of Americans approved of the use of the atomic bomb. Strangely enough, 5% didn't care. They had no opinion one way or another. There's always those people. Oh, it's five percent. You literally was like, there was a world war. That's weird. There was two. Yeah, there were, there were, there were stories of like people who lived in the Ozark. They're like, had no fucking clue. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, progress, and reconciliation with the rest of the world. It did end, old Japan.

So I suppose the only other step is a new one. Well, that perspective changed with John Hersey. Hersey had been a war correspondent embedded with allied forces during the invasion of Sicily. In addition, he'd survived four plane crashes and had assisted in evacuating wounded soldiers in Guadalcanal. When you all tell me when he's embedded with the enemy. But the thing is, is that he did believe he saw that the World War II story that we were all getting was not quite as clunked as what was really happening.

He went there and he realized, which is what kind of part of what the story, I think, is kind of symbolic of is that this war was fucked up too. Like, and while this was supposedly the last, like, quote unquote, like, good one or whatever, like, but this, this is the most fucked up war that ever existed. It was fucked up what everybody had to go through. Everybody went through a lot of bullshit fighting this war. And especially like our bull, like all of our, the Americans soldiers that yeah, the, the, the Vanirov being heroes at the time, but the shit they saw

was wild. And then they weren't allowed to talk about it when they came back because and that would you throw shame upon this quote, quote, quote, great thing that you did. And the Americans didn't even see the worst shit. I mean, we are late. The worst, they say that the worst place to be in the entire war was Poland. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it. Poland was absolutely like if you were in Poland during World War II, you were in one of the worst places in the entirety of human history and the entire history of the world. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, just just Auschwitz being there. Like Auschwitz, a place you can take a voluntary train to.

Yeah. It's like not a place you can take a voluntary train to. It's like not a place I wanna be. There's a lot of Polish people that love those Nazis. Yeah, they were. This truth is crazy. Yeah. And that's part of what made it so much worse. Yeah.

Well, having seen his. Fucking Polish. Hey, hey, we were so surprised, but again, they walked in backwards. They told us they really, Auschwitz, Warsaw. So much horrible shit.

That was in Germany. That was the first of them. Well, having seen his fair share of war, Hershey suspected that there was far more to the official story concerning what had actually happened after the bombs detonated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hershey knew the human face of war and his journalistic instincts twitched when he noticed that the only pictures coming out of either city were only of destroyed buildings and bare ruins. In other words, there were no pictures of people. Honestly, if I could teleport one journalist to this as well, Hunter S. Thompson, peak Hunter

S. Thompson. Well, this is kind of where he came out of. Right. This is the generation he came out of. This is the time. Well, is it, is it's fair to say it's narrative journalism? Absolutely. This is, this is the beginning of narrative journalism.

Right. Yeah. The, the new journalism as they put it. And so in the summer of 1946, nearly a year after the bombings, hersy was granted a two week pass to visit Hiroshima so he could see and hear what had actually happened. He had a backstage pass, did he get a lanyard? I didn't see. He better have.

He interviewed me. He made a fucking lead. Seriously. He interviewed 40 survivors as to what they'd experienced during and since the bombings. But eventually, inspired by a book called The Bridge of San Luis Ray that he'd read on the ship to Hiroshima, he focused on the stories of six people, including that

of Reverend Tana Motto. But after writing what amounted to a horror story, Hersey did not submit the finished article to the government for censorship clearance. Instead he said, fuck them and gave the story directly to the New Yorker who dedicated an entire issue to her. See's unflinching portrait of Hiroshima. So he's a whistleblower. Yeah, he was. The article was soon published as a book and it was so definitive, so harrowing and so well written that it's probably the reason why the focus is still mostly placed on Hiroshima to this day.

Well, we got that incredible testimony. Yeah, but either way, Americans were, for the first time, exposed to the realities of atomic warfare. Human stories were finally attached to the bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which caused a reckoning across America over what their government had done. But if the average American felt guilt and shame over Hiroshima, it was nothing compared to what some of the scientists at the Manhattan Project, the ones who'd known exactly what they were building. They were feeling quite a few feelings. I thought you're going to say the Germans. As one scientist put it, he wept as he read the story and he was filled with

shame to quote, recall the whoopie spirit that the team had after the bombing had been successfully detonated over a highly populated city. Again, they sort of understood sort of what the fuck they were making. They sort of understood it. I do think in that way, they knew that they needed to make it blow up, but they just thought again, it's blowing up. There's blow that it's just going to blow up. It's a bomb. It's a bomb. We're just making it. We're no different than hundreds of thousands of other people making bombs right now. Yeah. No different from the guys fire bombing Tokyo or Dresden or whatever. Like they're just making a bomb. It's going to blow up and then that's it. But while her sea brought the story of Hiroshima to the world, like they're just making a bomb, it's gonna blow up and then that's it.

But while Hersey brought the story of Hiroshima to the world, the effect it had on a lot of Americans was less sympathy than fear. In other words, a lot of Americans started worrying about what would happen to us. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Well, it does make sense for self-preservation, right? Oh, sure.

It does seem like it's getting a little cold in here. Yep. The wonders of the atomic age, but the wonders of the atomic age quickly turned into cold, war, paranoia, and fear, and the justification of a nuclear arms race was shifted from beating the Germans to the bomb to having a larger nuclear arsenal than the Soviet. Yeah, why didn't the kids of Hiroshima and Nagasaki just get under their desk? I feel like you're hands by me.

Yeah, I think it's not like that. It is interesting. In a way that completely fucking useless. It's also interesting because this is technically in his way, Robert Oppenheimer, in his way of kind of figuring out how to get himself out of his own moral quandary after all of this was like, well, that's why everyone should have atomic bombs. Because then we'll never have war every generation. Yeah.

If everybody has an atomic bomb, then everybody knows that if I use my atomic bomb, they're going to use their atomic bomb. And you know what you got to be a crater. Couple of carve outs for Iran. And it was basically, I just feel that that wasn't the answer. They rock had yellow cake. It did not know it didn't. Nope.

It had nothing. They were not you know what's funny. They don't even eat cake. You know what I do. You know what I just learned. Remember when they supposedly found the mobile chemical weapons last. Oh yeah. And they were like, there's ammonia in here.

They could have used it to clean up, you know what the ammonia was? What was that? Someone had pissed in there. Yeah. I'm Hans Blix. I had to call me Hans Piss. Someone found my piss bucket.

Yeah. Someone had just emptied out the truck to someone just used it as a toilet. And that was used in column pal speech to the UN to justify the Iraq war. Hey, our intelligence community is almost never. Correct. Also speaking of whistleblowers, a 70% of meat in America used to not be allowed, but now they spray with ammonia.

So they allow for human consumption. It used to only be a lot for dog food. So that's why we're dying as well. Oh, interesting, interesting. So be very careful. That is interesting. I am very,'s interesting. So be very careful. That is interesting. I am very very careful. I'm very careful.

I'm very, I'm not going. Well, between 1946 and 1958, the US government detonated 23 nuclear devices in a series of tests that ranged from the Pacific Ocean to the deserts of Nevada and Utah. And all of these tests caused cancer rates to skyrocket in the surrounding areas. Oh, guys, don't we know already?

It definitely brought us to the attention of the reticulants and the grace. Oh, we'll get to it. Well, I mean, that's the thing is that they're going to get to that in this episode. Yes. The thing is they're detonating these things in places where they don't care about the people. They're detonating this shit next to reservations. Yes.

You know, they don't give a shit what happens if it, you know, if it fucking blows on our reservation. I know where people quote unquote are not supposed to be living. It's kind of what they do. It is horrible. We've done to the Native American. Yeah. And we continue to do it.

They just lost water rights again, because Kavanaugh said that it was an 1854. There was a treaty. Wow. He's like an 18, like 93, he's like, we better uphold that. I feel like there should be a cutoff of what counts. I think 1990. I think that's the cutoff. I think you know, we could do with the Native American to redo. Yeah, it feels like let's renegotiate.

Renegotiate. That's fucking insane. We're still using treaties to fuck over the tribes. Yeah, for water. That's incredible. Yeah. Well, the fallout from these tests were so pervasive that a film crew working on the set,

the John Wayne movie, The Conqueror, in which John Wayne, John Wayne, in which John Wayne laughably plays Genghis Khan. The name is Genghis Khan, you governor. I don't, I feel like he sucks. I, he tried to watch John Wayne movie strong, but I don't like John Wayne to fucking Nazi. That's it's just like they said in the song. John Wayne is a Nazi. You know what I do? It's he's passing in a world we don't really care about like that form of like machismo actor. No, I'm not with the rock. Wait, more masculine than I don't feel he is as compelling in future analysis than he was at that time.

Because at that time, he was like a number one movie star. They love the Western thing. They love this idea. But now you watch it and you're like, actually, he doesn't do anything. He gets off a horse. He walks over there. He kind of squints. And it's like, and honestly, Clint Eastwood for me does say a bit, but he does it better.

And then he does do a better with an orangutan. He does do it better. And that's why my grandfather Herbert never liked John Wayne, but he just didn't like him because he was an actor. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, John Wayne. That's why I'm sure all of our grandparents were like, he's just a fucking actor. I know, honestly, my grandfather knew him very well. Did he really?

Yeah, they hung up. My mom met him like three or four times. Yeah, John Wayne. Yeah, John Wayne. John Wayne was an incredible racist, a fascist and a coward. Yeah. One Henry. Very much family knowing.

Extremely tall big hands. Six three. My grandfather used to work as a PR person for Pepsi. I don't have the relations for Pepsi. So he knew John Wayne. He knew Henry Kissinger. He knew fucking Ronald Reagan. He knew Joan Crawford.

Him Joan Crawford. Oh, but this picture is my grandfather with Marilyn Monroe. He knew her. He knew a couple of the Kennedys. He was straight. Apparently Mama Dearest is a lie. Yes. Mama Dearest is a lie.

It is a lie. It is a lie. It is a lie. Well, a lot of the people who worked on the conqueror, which is widely considered one of the worst movies ever made, they developed cancer at a far younger age than was normal because they filmed in the Utah desert near a nuclear bomb testing site. Yeah. And that's like, for some reason, I don't know if movies should be filmed in deserts anymore. It's cool. Well, I mean, well, they say that, you know, some people say that this is a myth because these film crew died at the same rate as the general population of cancer, cancer at the same rate, 20, I think

it's like 22%, but they died far younger than many people. Well, I have cancer, yeah. Change the, change the math there a little bit. Yeah. And it depends on what they're doing on set. Regardless, though, the first of these tests was Operation Crossroads in which the government blew up a bunch of captured Japanese and German battleships just to see what the bomb could do to purely military targets. And what it could do under underwater.

Sort of a fun day. And that's kind of his fun. And it made SpongeBob. This test, however, would be better known by its location, but Kenia tall. And my papa was there. Oh, wow. Yeah. It did nothing to stop.

It's absolute. What do you do if you can stop the atomic bond testing? Absolutely nothing, Mr. Perks. Yeah, he was present as a sailor in the Navy. And that's also where the name bikini comes from. As the bikini was released like a couple of weeks after bikini at all. And the inventor was like, that's a great name. It's me. Absolutely. Yeah, I got to see them.

Teddies. When I think of the greatest generation, I always say great name. It's me. Absolutely. Yeah, I got to see them titties. When I think of the greatest generation, I always say I want to see them in bikinis. Eleanor Roosevelt. Yes, indeed. Roosevelt. You sit on a skunk. Oh, Eleanor, you got to maintain them. However, it would be the second test held at bikikini et al in 1954 that would have a huge

cultural impact the world over. Having moved on from the atomic bomb, the United States had started testing a far more powerful nuclear weapon called the Hydrogen Bomb or for short, the H bomb. Yeah, because there was one dude within the Manhattan Project was like, I feel that my bomb is more superior in ideas. And they're like, listen, we're already working on a thing. And then this guy just went and built a bigger bomb than the atomic bomb. You know, it's funny. The guy who actually started the earliest research on the

H bomb was Klaus Fuchs, who was the man who was a spy for the Soviet Union. Oh, yes. Well, during an underwater H bomb test called Operation Castle, a Japanese fishing boat was destroyed, and the survivors were showered with radioactive fallout in a blast that was a thousand times more powerful than those above Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Of course, they died. This incident inspired a huge anti-nuclear testing movement in Japan, not least due to the fact that two years earlier, the censorship ban on the full scope of what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki had finally been lifted. The people of Japan

finally knew what the fuck had happened there. And as a result, a movie director named Ishiro Honda translated the power and ruination of the atomic bomb into an unstoppable creature named Goody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good noise. That's good. That's good. That's what I do. I do it.

Yeah, I do it at home all the time. It's one of my favorite noises in the world. Yeah. You're going to be a home all the time. It's one of my favorite noises in the world Be a fly in the wall Godzilla perhaps from center earth middle earth we just simply don't they just read condol that fucking shit No, okay, no Godzilla is from deep in the Pacific ocean And he was down there for millions of years, two million years as they put it in the movie.

And then when the Americans started testing the age bomb, that's when his habitat cracked open. They destroyed his habitat. And that's when he came up and started destroying Japan. Well, why would he destroy Japan? He definitely should have come to the US. He was grouchy. He was walking up from his nap.

And his true. And Japan was the closest island available. I can't even imagine how grouchy it would be after a two million year nap. No, he wasn't napping. He was out there. He was fucking around. He was having a good time. He was propagating his species.

He was being a Godzilla. Yeah, he was coming. That's what they said. There were a bunch of Godzilla's down there. Got's a great name. Yeah. Well, in creating Godzilla and setting him loose in Tokyo, Honda recreated the helplessness

belt by the Japanese in the face of the unfathomable strength of a nuclear weapon. And he, in fact, used the real-life incident of the destroyed fishing boat as direct inspiration for the opening scene in the first Godzilla movie, which if you haven't seen is fucking incredible. Of all those old school movies, horror movies and sci-fi movies, Godzilla, the original holds up like a motherfucker. It's got really great scenes. It's genuinely creepy and scary, but also like, it's got great scale. That's like that when movies were baked. Yes, it holds up like Chris Jen, then if it holds up like a motherfucker. Whoa. Whoa. I will eventually do my deep dive in question.

And you'll get a loan. Disgusted. It's the only way way to do it. It isn't it. I can't allow it. I have to be alone. Well, as a side note, perhaps the most telling line in Godzilla came from a moment on a train between two commuters who were speculating on the destruction Godzilla might cause in Tokyo

right before he unleashes his fiery atomic breath on the nation's capital. He has, that's the cool thing about. There's all these like atomic bomb like nods where he has this atomic breath that sets everything on fire, destroys everything. But basically this woman on the train says, I barely escaped the atomic bomb at Nagasaki.

And now I got to deal with this. Whoa. Was there anyone that said it's too soon? No, no, no. It's like a exotic. No, no, no, they were all awful. They were completely unnecessary. But, but this is also, this is just what happens to cultures. Like in the years after 9-11, look at them. Like American cinema was nothing but disaster porn

for two decades. Oh, it still is. Yeah, it still is. It's still level is. Like, all we see is just the destruction of cities, the destruction of the world over and over and over again. Isn't it kind of relaxing in a way, though, in my way? I kind of like it. In a way, it's relaxing. It's the toll destruction of cities, the destruction of the world over and over and over and over. Is it kind of relaxing in a way, though, in my way? I kind of like it.

In a way, it's the toll destruction of everything because then you just keep moving because of the end, you know, you got to pay taxes anymore. Movie. Yeah. But in this line, I think that this woman gave voice to what a lot of people in Japan felt at the time. American testing of the age bomb and the Pacific was directly affecting them. It was poisoning their food supply.

The fish, they couldn't eat it out of the fucking ocean because it was radioactive. Now they just do that to Americans. Yeah. Well, they also got quite a bit of it as well. They got the least of it. Yeah. And they were, the Americans were killing even more Japanese civilians. And this was all while the Japanese were still dealing with the long-term effects

of the first two bombs the Americans had dropped And while Japan was dealing with its own trauma America was having somewhat of a reckoning concerning the men who'd actually built the bomb. Oh, yeah They propped them up and they were happy to have them and then they decided to destroy them from the inside out Now perhaps it was America's unconscious guilt over the horror their country had unleashed upon hundreds of thousands of people. But by the 50s, America had begun to turn on the man who'd been the most responsible for constructing the bomb. That man was Jay Robert Oppenheimer and his reckoning came in the form of the red scare.

You see, Jay Robert Oppenheimer at the time was extremely popular and he was kind of like angling. They were talking about like, oh, Oppy could be president was extremely popular. And he was kind of like angling. They were talking about like, oh, Ope could be president. Like Einstein popular. Yeah, they were ready. Because then he wanted to get involved in all of these various, basically,

he wanted to figure out how to like control how we legislate things around the atomic power from here on out. He's like, I want people to hear my, sure. And move forward. But it is interesting because then he made a bunch of weird moves that kind of is coming to screw kind of kicked them out. He's like, I want people to hear my children move forward, but it is interesting because then he made a bunch of weird moves that kind of is coming to this group kind of kicked

them out because a while for a while, he was like, we need to do nuclear proliferation. We need to give out the secrets to everybody. But eventually he came around to this idea of like, all right, we'll keep it an American secret. But if I get in there, maybe if I get inside of the US government, I can kind of direct policy from the inside out. And what is everybody who discovers what happens when you go on the inside is that you're irrevocably corrupted by the machinations of the government. Yeah.

So as soon as you get on the inside, so much you do eventually you're just playing the same games as fucking everybody else because then games are as old as time. Uh huh. There's a big club. You're not in it. That's right. Well, I don't want to be in it. You ran for office.

I don't want to be. Well, that was for Brooklyn Burrill president, and that was a fantastic experience. And Eric Adams is a total failure. Yep. Yes he is. So there you go, everybody. You two can get 1.4%. That easy.

Well, as we've established time and again, Robert Oppenheimer wasn't a communist, but he was friends with a lot of communists back in the 30s when being a communist wasn't dangerous or even all that strength. He was just like a communist. He was like the parties. You want to go bang a bunch of hot commy chicks. Yeah.

A lot of people back in the 30s, they were flirting with communist ideology because of the great depression. For example, when my family cleared out the house of some of my Oklahoma dust bowl ancestors back when I was a kid, we found multiple books on communism openly displayed on their bookshelves. What probably made you look worldly too? May you look like, oh look, we're interested in shit. No, it's not that.

We're interested in shit. No, it's not that it is. Family was dirt the dust bowl side. I know. No, I mean, these people, these were fucking survivors. You did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, you did she, giving kids lunches anymore. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Yeah, take a little scoop out of the little ice cream there. I think so. I mean, for these people, capitalism had obviously failed so horribly, so miserably that the consequences of capitalism was dust, pneumonia. Oh, yeah.

People were drowning in dust. That's horrible. Man, that's a whole other thing unlocked now. Man, this is a lot of bad shit in this series. Yeah, I don't want to fucking in dust. I'm in a lot of bad shit in this series. Yeah. I don't want to fucking die by drowning in dust. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dust pneumonia is a horrible way to die. But by the mid fifties, America was gripped by the red scare. And of course, led by Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy. Yeah. An Oppenheimer and his totally straight lawyer, Roy Coe.

Yeah. And Oppenheimer and his totally straight lawyer, Roy Co. Completely straight. Totally. And Oppenheimer came into the Red Scare Crosshires in particular because he'd previously pissed off a McCarthy ally named Lewis Strauss. No one liked his Weepy fucking attitude. Everybody liked him. Nobody they were all over him because especially when he went to Truman and there's that classic

story where he walked into Truman's office and he's just like, the blood on my hands. Yeah, I can't believe. And then Truman throws him out of the office and he tells his old aides, don't let that motherfucker back in this office ever again. The blood was on my hands. I dropped the bomb. He just made it like you was this thing where it's like so. Oppenheimer was it making himself a popular Chris Chan met with Truman No, that's a comic book. But the other thing on the other side though, everyone fucking hated Louis Strowth's as well. Nobody liked anybody.

Yeah, but I don't like McCarthy. McCarthy showed he was like a little he's like a Ted Cruz. Yes, he was like actually maybe worse. He's powerful but still everybody makes a far worse a Ted Cruz. Yes. He was like actually maybe worse. He's like powerful, but still everybody makes a far worse than Ted Cruz. Yes. Not far worse, but it does show you the power. And she shows how bad Ted Cruz is.

You see what I mean? It shows out. Like he doesn't have the ability to be a true villain. It shows you the power of just having a suitcase you don't open. That's it. It literally is just a how we man dealt. Tell me they don't want to know what I have in there. You know what's in this?

Just full of snakes. It was like what's corner mags and boots. Well, Lewis Strauss had a grudge against Oppenheimer because Oppenheimer had openly ridiculed one of Strauss's recommendations on atomic research during a public congressional hearing in 1951. So we're going to get a little sensitive here. Well, yeah, yeah. Cross was, I mean, he was buttered to, yeah, to put it very, very, I hate that term. I fucking can't stand it. But it was butter. Yes. In this case. Yeah. Well, Strauss took this light personally and using previous intelligence that Oppenheimer

had consorted with communist in the 30s, Strauss soon became convinced that Oppenheimer was a secret commie. And he got to work convincing others that Oppenheimer was a secret commie. And there's no reason to tell you this right now. There's no such thing as a secret commie and he got to work convincing others that Oppenheimer was a secret com. And there's no reason to tell you this right now. There's no such things as secret communist. They tell you. They tell you immediately. It's like a big it.

But it's like no, Oppenheimer was, has been fighting being called a communist this entire fucking time. Yes he is. He was like, I went to meetings back in the day. My girlfriend was one. Look at a picture of Rebecca. You telling me you won't be a communist? I was not with nerds anymore.

Dude, if I married Gwyneth Peltro somehow, you're gonna end up with a J-Deg inside of you somewhere. Exactly. What the family does. And you guys just don't get it. I don't know, Henry, the fucking communists I knew in New York with the biggest fucking nerds I know. This is back in New York.

This is when it was cool. But they were funny and they all worked at bookstores. Yeah, they did. That's actually very nice. Yeah, they did great fucking stuff for unionizing the strand and all that like they were fucking they were amazing, but they were fucking nerds. That's the idea you have to because with the capitalist, you don't have to read a book to be a capitalist. You have a big tips, a great idea. You can make it all the way to the top. It's better if you don't. But in common sense, you do have to read a lot of it. You have a big tips, a great idea. You could make it all the way to the South. It's better if you don't. But in Communists, you do have to read a lot of stuff. You do. You do. You do what's reading. Yeah. You got to read a lot and you got to be

able to comprehend it. Theoretical. Now, as I said, a few episodes back, scientists in the Manhattan Project with Soviet ties, this was not without precedent. Theoretical physicist Klaus Fuekz, as I said earlier, he'd been a key member of the Manhattan Projects Inner Circle. And it was discovered in 1949, years after we dropped the atomic bomb, that he'd been feeding information to the Soviets from day one. They were already like only two years out. Yeah.

This information had allowed the Soviets to cheat their way to nuclear weaponry and estimated seven to 10 years sooner than if they'd been left to figure it out on their own. And if they had just figured out an actual peaceful way of negotiating working on this, because that was a problem with the pot stamp conference. They were trying to figure out like, what do we do with nuclear weapons? And let's just say this, so we, Union, wasn't being super chill. And so when we left the we work, because we just killed a fucking half a million people using it.

And the, not, not, not the, but the Potsdam conference was before all this. But there's a part of the conversation of like, all, you know, what we'll do. Like after the fact they're trying to figure out all these negotiations, it ain't working out. Well, not only that, but like Truman had hinted to stalled. Like Truman was like, he thought that he had, you know, did, you know, but he had a bomb, you know, to drop on Stalin, like where he was going to his, like, you know, we've got this, you know, the super weapon they were about to use

on Japan. And he thought that Stalin was going to shit his pants, but Stalin already knew all about it because of the public information. Yeah. Stalin just showed him a picture of a little dog named like a, this is a like a, like a, yeah, this is years later. This much later. Yeah. Like I was in a live at that point. This is much later. Yeah, Lika wasn't alive at that point. Lika was dead. He wasn't born yet. Really? Lika was before they shot him up in the space.

I think it was only like three or four. I think it was pretty good with the puppy. But I had a whole point. I had like a whole point. I don't remember what it was. I don't remember it. Stalin. Stalin, the Soviet Union, the US, we were fighting

the Soviet Union resolved mad. Seven, they got it, they got it 17 years earlier than they should have. Cause Stalin already knew, cause this fuck's guy. I like Stalin's mustache. It's a good mustache. Oh, man, I will say about World War II, powerful moments for the mustache.

Oh, yeah, also different guys. So mustache is so powerful, they can't be repeated. Unless you're Michael Jordan. Yeah, you're literally at the Nazi station, Haynes Commercial. What are you gonna do? I can't even allow. He is a one-american as well. But it's a thing though, about Klaus Fuchs and Feeding the Information to Soviet Union, it could be argued that objectively, it was a good thing in the long run because it

was the only thing that kept America from using nuclear weapons during the Korean War. Oh, yes. But Jay Robert Albenheimer was basically saying his message was the math is already there. They're going to get it no matter what. It's obvious. He's like, it's already there. From the theoretical papers, you can automatically extrapolate what you need from the forward to make a bomb.

But he was like, there's no even reason to keep a secret because anybody can figure it out. Isn't that why the Korean war is the forgotten war though? Why? I think we didn't bomb anybody. I think it was because, boom. Because I know I'm a moron, but it's because I, any other war for the most part, it can give you at least that basic, very basic rundown of like what it was about

and what happened during it for the most part for America, the Korean war. No, I'd be just... It's the little proxy war gun fucking out of hand. It's very complicated. Yeah, be. It's the little proxy war gun fucking out of hand. It's very complicated. Yeah, then it's it's extremely complicated. And it never ended. Also in North Korea right now, it's officially illegal to commit suicide.

Wow, they'll kill your whole family if you do. That's true. That's not fun. I was about to ask how they were going to enforce that. Yeah, that is one of the punishment. It's a really good idea. If you hate your aunt, just kill yourself. Yeah.

Also, if you survive, they kill you. That's true. That's a weird life is weird. Yes. They kill you, but do they kill you and kill your family? Oh, I think they kill it. Yeah, there's killing everything. Wow.

Now, that's incredible. Kind of been the twilight. I was just, this is good if he, whatever. Man, if I went to North Korea, though, I could be able to play like professional basketball. I don't think that you would be able to do anything. You see me like playing like, you know, don't get on people and stuff. That'd be awesome.

No, they make those. You don't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there was an ever-growing cabal determined to ruin Oppenheimer's reputation, General Leslie Groves, a loyal friend, even if he was a little bit evil at times, he stressed his emphatic belief that Oppenheimer's blood ran red, white, and blue. We had many opportunities to fuck everything up, and he didn't. Yeah. But even so, a four-week security hearing was held in 1954 to determine whether Oppenheimer should be allowed to keep his security clearance.

And by a vote of two to one, Oppenheimer was pushed out of the government atomic research game. Wow, it was just a three person panel. Mm-hmm. Eventually, though, the government came back around on Oppenheimer in 1963, JFK presented Oppenheimer with the Enrico Fermi Award for Scientific Excellence. Nice. And here's your fucking trophy.

Yeah. You know, trophies are a big deal. The funny thing though is that, you know, the historians think that had it not been for the Red Square, it would have been the Robert Oppenheimer Award for Scientific. You would have been president. You probably would have been president of the United States of America. I used to weird to be president. But you know,

Wilson. What if you're talking about weirdos who have been president, but that was long before, that's the thing is that that was long before anybody actually knew what the president was like. Yeah. That was like 1900 or so.

I'm saying he was a weirdo. He was more like 1911. Well, he was the one they really brought in the fucking core patocracy. Yeah, we're long known. So, KKK member. Yeah, we were long known. So, okay, yeah. KKK member. Oh, wow.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Or at the very least KKK sympathizer, which is the same thing. Yeah. That's what they say. You know, you call a person who puts up with Nazis. A Nazi.

That's right. Yeah. If one man sits with nine Nazis at a table, you have 10 Nazis at a table. That's right. Yeah, if one man sits with nine Nazis at a table, you have 10 Nazis at a table. That's right. Bold statements. Two years later though, Oppenheimer was diagnosed with lung cancer due to his chain smoking. And by 1967, he was dead, although he had been vindicated. He was dead.

He was dead. He was dead. He was dead. He was dead. He was dead. And clouds of crows. Just send us. Did he melt? And then he pointed to you. What else fucking worse happened? It's fucking great. To replace where they fucking the euthanized bunch of like blind children. But he was vindicated by the scientific community by the end of it. His place in history, however, in full retrospect,

is complicated to say the least and will likely remain so forever. I know it will be very quickly wrapped up in that three hour movie. Yeah. And I just, and I hope he's gonna tell us all what happened in a way and rogue me like,

aw, Robin Humber, you're the best guy. I am. I have some faith in this feature film. It also comes out of my birthday Well the I already got tickets for it the person who wrote American Prometheus came out of it and said that it was highly historically accurate. Oh, sure They said that it's like it's a chilling movie. No, of course. Yeah, Chris Vinole is not gonna fuck it up

I'm excited. I mean he could oh Send us money. Yes, send this money. Yeah for it. Yeah, all we're doing is making it I just gave an advertisement. Yeah, we did We get nothing we get nothing. We can't even be working. Grisha Bernoulland. Well, not that strike. Sorry, you tell them. Whatever it is. Yeah. All right, so now my turn, your turn for a bit. So really quick. You know what's okay. We're getting into the grays now. Big into this entire. But listen, okay, number one, what happened here? We just did six episodes. What's what? What are we even talking about? We're talking about the atomic bomb. And I'm assuming that we know what we've been

talking about this whole time, opening up the universal cloac to alien attention. Okay. I believe it's possible. So we now know, 1945, sure, bomb, big deal. And let's go ahead and let's go ahead and say Let's put on top of this. Let's put a veneer of respectability due to the fact that alien or at the very least Unidentified aerial phenomena have been proven to be an Existence. Well now there is a there's a veneer of respectability We're starting to We're starting. I'm already.

I'm already basically. If what David Grushes, Kurt Whistleblower is talking about is remotely true. There is a whole chapter of American history that is also then true, which is really fucking wanky. And one of those chapters, one of the couple of series of pages of that chapter, we will definitely be talking about with seriousness, if David Grushes stuff comes out to be actually vaguely real, and he's the new whistleblower. He is. He's just on television.

It is what happened July 3rd, 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico. Yes. Now, we know that on the Brazill farm, that sunny desert day, an object that they did not comprehend crash landed in that field and created a three forts long mile series of debris. And you know the first thing the aliens were told, oh, it gets cold at night. It's a desert. You just, you know, you're going to want to wear a jacket and it gets really hot and

half. You don't have the weather. Oh, wait five minutes. What was she saying? Everybody says about every city you've ever been to and every city you've ever lived at. It's true sometimes. Um, but so this, uh, this obviously this object crashed the Brazl farm.

These geese very scared men who are so used to seeing these things because they've been, oh, they're around all these various areas where, uh, you know, the project mogul is currently being tested. They've seen these object in the sky. We know that Los Alamos only three and half, my hours south of this location. And what's right next to it is Roswell Airbase. So they see all of this debris. They don't know what the fuck it is.

It's been left out there for days, which is also very interesting. We should go on to disprove their idea that do some experimental balloon project, mobile robot. So they called the Royal Airbase. Guess who is the occupying the Roswell Airbase, the 509th group, the guys that were the flight team that flew the Enola Gay, they go drop the bombs on Hiroshima. That crew, including their bombardier, got him Jesse Marshall, went over with the first man to see the wreckage that happened.

He's like, this is the weirdest shit I've ever seen. This is a guy that is used to think about this guy who went into the training the Manhattan Project. He was like, what in the weirdest shit I've ever seen. This is a guy that is used to think about this guy who went through the training the Manhattan project. He was like, what in the living fuck is all this stuff? He packed into a bunch of boxes, took it back to his home, showed his kids all of this weird shit. This like weird aluminum foil that you pull apart and then it would collapse back in on

itself. These eye beams with weird like symbols drawn. Don't know what the fuck it is. He brings it to his commander. His commander gives the okay to go to the newspapers and say we have found footage. We have found the wreckage of a flying saucer, which is where we get that very famous picture where we have the very famous headline where you know, like UFOs found in Roswell blah, blah, blah,

but then the next day he takes Jesse Marshall into another room and he's like, this is the stuff you found and hands up a box. And it's just weather balloon wreckage. And then he takes out and that's where we get the picture of Jesse Marshall holding up that piece of weird aluminum foil in the newspaper disproving it. Then then you see actually flying saucer was a weather balloon. We don't know now what the fuck it is. It's just like wild to think that all in this area, this shit's all happening once. So that's the threat. That's the threat.

Yeah. No dude, that's real. But no, I love it. I mean, I think that's fascinating. Well, one if there's something to nuclear abilities, right? Because we know the fact that gray's got interest in us because of this ability. Why?

I don't know. Are gray's just what you're human? I have this like, I do. But they already have the ability. This is like a highfalute idea. This is like dumb, super sci-fi based, right? What if nuclear signatures are bookmarks throughout time and allows time traveling objects

who wishes kind of what David Grush is kind of hinting at? That they're saying that the stuff that we're finding at the bottom of the ocean is actually, they keep saying it's not from this earth that maybe it's something either enough, a dimension that's in the future and they're literally coming back and maybe that's how they find other points in time. It's from nuclear signatures. So you want to have more nuclear explosion? No, I just say more bombs. I just say more

bombs, more interactions with the alien. This guy Jesse is possible. It's just crazy. This guy Jesse Marshall's life is just fucking nuts. The fact that you're tied into all of this shit and once is like very like, he was a strange man. Sounds like he had a hell of a life. Is there any place on earth we can just bomb a whole bunch and just be like, come on hang out. No, we can't blow up the moon. No, but just on the set off bombs on the moon. That's close enough and then we can meet on the moon neutral territory. But the moon could certainly be very important to us in the future. No, but just on the set off bombs on the moon. That's close enough. And then we can meet on the moon, neutral territory. But the moon could certainly be very important to us in the future. If, as Henry said, we could build nuclear bases up there, that'd be our way station. Yeah. And then we could bring nuclear power cells down to earth via

a gigantic space elevator. The Hubble, the Hubble just had some new pictures released as well. Mm-hmm. Now by the 1980s, it was generally agreed upon amongst historians that President Truman was well aware of all the alternatives to in the war without using the bomb. He knew that we didn't need to invade Japan to secure a victory, and he knew that the claim that the bomb had to be dropped to save American lives was a lie used to sell the bomb to the American public.

The actual reasons why he chose to drop the bomb however are many. They ranged from, we spent a lot of money on this fucking thing, so we got to use it, we got to show the Soviets that we mean business, it could even have just been fucking simple revenge against the Japanese for dragging us into a war that was by all accounts of blood soaked horror show from beginning to end. It killed over 40,000 Americans, wounded almost 150,000 more. There was this fucking grudge. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. In the end, though, it was probably a combination of all three. Oh, yeah. The fact remains, however, that just the existence of nuclear weaponry could be hard to fully comprehend. The Manhattan Project was such a massive turning point in human history that it's hard to put in the words What it really meant for mankind to split the atom?

We just did six episodes. We did, though. It's actually we did trying to eat these pages of script per episode. You do the fucking math. Yeah, you technically can this is a book. It's close to it. It's like a third of a book. Yeah, well, I'm not gonna say that we should all come together to push for nuclear disarmament Because frankly, it is enough to us and it never was. The Doomsday Clock has been close to midnight for a long time and shows no sign of turning back anytime soon. No, just put it fucking five seconds closer to midnight as it's turn it back.

And no amount of protest is going to change that. See with Atomic Weaponry, humanity ripped something from the grip of nature itself and introduced it into the world without thinking of the consequences beyond the near-sided view of one tribe, trying to scare another tribe with a bigger stick. Is it weird to say that makes me more proud of us? I mean, it's so simple and so complex all at the same time. Like other powerful technological innovations, like, say, social media, it's quite possible that humans simply can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.

We're too violent, too volatile, too temperamental. In fact, it is a miracle that only two nuclear weapons have been used in aggression since their inception, almost 80 years ago. But on the other hand, perhaps it isn't a miracle. Yeah, it's a gift from time travelers who came in order to, we had to invent nuclear technology in order to create the hole in the gap. Bellouts in the shoot through time sections to our time. Okay.

Thank you for that. Thank you for very important. I said information. These don't have time flaps. Well, perhaps we can handle that power because we've been handling it. Aside, of course, from a couple of close calls and oops, he do's that almost ended the world during the cold. I mean, they're just kind of briefly talking about that one plane that just accidentally dropped something over North Carolina. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that bomb just like rolled around the street. Yeah, the flocking east, the flocking east that almost ended world, so on and so forth. It is amazing how the human brain just wraps it all up together,

just like, oh, it guess that happens. Yeah. But even so, in every case, there was someone in the room with enough intelligence and compassion to prevent the world from blowing up. There was always someone there to keep it from happening. And if history is any indication, we have a good chance of that trend continuing. In fact, considering how many military personnel we have who listen to the show, it may one day be up to one of you to be that person. So go forth with mercy. And if it is ever your choice to

decide whether or not to press that button, remember the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And of course, when he means press that button, get that Uber reads, you're gonna want to have lunch and you'll be different when you're done. I was happy, good sir. The only bombs I'm dropping are the jokes I'm telling. There you are. Yeah. What a lot. I mean, it is very scary. Humans brought us into this. Science brought us here as well.

But it is just, it does like the man who, the man who saved the world, fantastic documentary about the Russian. Oh, yeah. It's just one person. Yeah. Just one guy. You just got to hope they make the right decision

at the right time. It's the X factors of history. We bring up all the time. It's that human element. It's just something that's keeping us alive. And it's, we just kind of, kind of keep that playing that whole, like, let's keep us alive.

You know, like people fail up all the time. Yeah. So then it's just like, that is true. But I do have faith. We have faith. We have faith. We have to have faith. Yeah.

Cause if we don't then this fucking weird chaos magic ritual that we accidentally did many years ago that seems to manifest things out in the world after we talk about them on this show, it's happened. I think about three dozen times. We just have to keep knocking on. We just have to keep knocking on. We're not going to be out there.

So that we don't manifest some sort of nuclear explosion. I'm scared of all the sonar weapons. Well, sonar weapons are a lot of you scared of. And then, you know, there's the great group. We can do a great group incident. We're on that own machine technology kind of goes. Hey, why are we? And then it's into giant encompassing

gray goop to destroy the world. There's also solar flares that we still were so waiting for the big one George Norring's afraid to this day. Yep. So there's so many ways for everything to end. So I'm actually still holding out for that. Yeah. I'm holding out for the solar flare as well. Yeah. I'm thinking come back from that. I'm sure the Holy at the first couple months are going rough. Yeah, I'm holding out for Godzilla. Oh, Godzilla. Yeah, man, this is crazy dude. So much work, good work, Marcus.

Thank you to our whole research team that helped us with fucking everything. Thank you to Madeline Shaw, who I will say is a co-producer on this series. Oh, yeah, great job. Joel did great work. I want to thank Rob Fernando that been working on the show. We want to thank all everybody like we did it. We landed her in the harbor. We did. Oh right everyone. Thank you so much for listening. Yeah come and check it out. We've got a couple of special announcements. We are going to be in San Diego. I think San Diego

Comic-Con. I know Friday was her day. Friday and I think we're gonna be signing on Friday and doing a panel on Saturday and probably signing on Saturday as well. So we'll see you all there. We'll see you there. And I'm gonna be in Las Vegas that weekend. Yuck it it up on Sunday at some place in Las Vegas. I think it's called wise guys. You'll see them, motherfucker. And then if you were in the Los Angeles area, come and see us do the final performance of our tour. Mama Mia here we go again at the Palace Theater November 4th, but for those of you that cannot be in town to see it live We're gonna do one last final big stream show. Yeah, big game. This tour out of our but Lutely, thank you all so much for supporting the show as in the last podcast.

Network everyone's doing such a great job and our little series ventures as well. And do we have anything else other than the normal stuff? Thanks for all your support, everyone. Yeah, thanks for listening to this series. I hope you learned something. Hope you laughed. I hope you didn't have to. I hope you fucking cried.

Well, it's been a both. They might have that's the power of this show. Yeah. Oh, well, you cry. You learn, you think. And then also's a bit of both. They might have. That's the power of this show. Yeah. Oh, laugh, you cry, you learn, you think. And then also your dumber. Yeah, and you're also dumber. Which is the same as ours.

It all evens out. It really does. Don't worry, our next series is going to make you much stupider. I can't wait for that. I need to just bathe in cryptid blood. We got some. I just want cryptid talk for the next month.

Move on. All right, everyone, hail yourself. Hell's sake. Hellgain. Lagosal Asian. Hail me. cryptid talk for the next like month Alright everyone hail yourself! Hellsake it! Noggin! Lagosalation Hail me! Boon Never drop a bomb again

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