Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 539: Mothman : Redux Part I - Bighoot

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

Finally, The time has come to give the devil his due... This week our eyes are on the skies as the boys dive DEEP into the story of one of America's favorite cryptid legends - The Mothman. Beginning with the tragic (and possibly cursed) history of a small West Virginia town called Point Pleasant...

A roast as dark as the night, perfect for fueling the cryptid research and mad ravings required for your podcasting. Don't mind the red eyes, he's just trying to warn you of the bridge! The bridge! Finally, from the caffeine-abilled brains of Spring Hill Jack coffee and last podcast on the left, we bring you Mothman's red eye blend. Yes, delicious Panama beans. Go to lastpodcastmerch.com to auto-yours today!

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What was that? Why the fuck, no it's a glaze That's when the cannonball is started What was that? I don't know I don't know Yeah You find all of it, then you always find out there's always something I mean like I think I am the most charming, funny, and sky in the world And there's some people that just... I don't know what it is They just dislike me

Yeah, just upon introduction And I don't know why it is, I don't know what it is. They just dislike me. Yeah, just upon introduction. And I don't know why that is. I don't know why maybe to some, you know, because jealousy obviously. Oh, yeah, they're so jealous. Especially when they don't know your profession or anything about you, they're just intrinsically jealous.

Oh, just, look at that guy, you're of your presence. It's not. You know, jealous of a side. It's an imbue of a lie. They must be jealous of my shows that I've done on television or no, I don't know. I don't know anything about you, but it's white. There's so many people come up to me and they're all like, what's your fucking deal?

Right? They say that to me and everyone, I'm glad that you asked. I mean, I'm like, oh, so natural magnetism, of course. That maybe it's because I'm not a harbinger of doom. Maybe it is. Welcome to the last podcast on the left. Everyone been hanging out with Marcus and the ever charming ever. Vest said I was going to say that for that.

I take that Henry Cabral's quiet. A quiet. A quiet. Henry Cabral's. It's going to be back. Remember those air quotes candies that were called warheads. Yeah. You're kind of like that at first.

You're like, but over time, you get used to it. That's me. Then you're addicted. Yeah, man. I had a jar of those fucking things. And they, I don't know why I chose to suffer. We all were like this when we were kids. I don't know why.

We all like whatever was the sourest thing. That's what I was into. I know. I know. All right. Well, today's episode, we are, I'm already mad that we even started then even talking about the fact that Mothman knew about Godium 9.11 and did fucking nothing. Well, today's episode we are. I'm already mad that we even started not even talking about the fact that Mothman knew about goddamn 9-11

and did fucking nothing. Well, Mothman is absolutely nothing. You don't know Mothman's political leanings. Also do you think he's with the Saudis? Well, does he like, does Mothman like Bill Deans or does he like, you know, is he, if he truly is Moth like, he would probably fly into them all the time

and bunk his head. He would love the world trade center. Maybe it was the fireball that attracted him. Could be. Building seven. So today's episode, a little palli cleanser from all the various serious things you've been talking about. This is fucking serious.

I have two drinks in either hand. Also, when I remind you about the moth man coffee blend, very good. That's a fucking promo with the rest of this is serious. Is out. All right, we're on to m promo with the workshop. This is serious as hell. All right, we're on to Mothman Redux Part One of a 30 series. So I just tried to add a third. This morning, you're trying to add 30. You really did it.

Yeah, you did it. I was like, did you know that Mothman might have been involved with 9-11. Did you know that I found a book about this and did you know we might have enough for a third episode and I said, did you know he's not we're not going to have a third house. His eyes rolled back and his head in a way and then shut down of his body and came out of his ass. You know, Mothman was there when they were building the Egyptian pyramids or could it be Mothman himself was, I don't know, a pyramid.

He's just trying to warn you of everything and doing nothing. I could literally for like, he's the king of the virtual signal. He's the virtue signaler of all of cryptids. For the sad, I know we're just gonna hop right into it here in a second, but for the second to the last year that we do this show, can we just do an entire year on cryptids?

Yeah, I am just so in, I'm just, I love anything that isn't about any human. Yeah. I mean, a lot of those episodes are going to be about, you know, 12 minutes long. Yeah. Great. Well, it's going to be the cryptid year. And then we begin, that's how you know the show is ending when we start our illuminati series and we're going to be on and off and we can't just listen or wait.

Markman Redux part one. So in 1966, two couples in Point Pleasant, West Virginia reported to the local sheriff that during a joy ride at the TNT plant outside of town, they encountered a bizarre creature beyond anything they'd ever seen. Also, that's how boring life used to be. You used to just go on a joy ride to nowhere. I still kind of do. Yeah, I love riding around.

Well, that's because you got to see Jay Leno next to a car that was on fire with his hands in his pocket. I did. I was sad and angry on the side of the highway. I did. His car was not on fire, but he was bloated and sad and wearing a Canadian tuxedo. He was doing what he loves best. Standing next to a car on fire. That's what he likes. Just like us. Yeah. No, man, growing up in a small town, I rode around constantly. That was all we did.

We did the drag. We had that nice tee. Yeah, good turnaround at the hill. You turn around over the Pimman's house. You turn around at the Mollenow's house. You turn around over the Ackerts and now it's fascinating. And then you do it again. You do it again and again.

You do it for about three hours. I'm sure the Mollenow's house was very happy with you. Oh, very'm sure again and again, you do it for about three hours. I'm sure the mold knows house was very happy. Oh, very much so by their reports, the creature was shaped like a seven foot tall man sporting massive wings on his back, but what terrified these two couples the most with a creature's saucer like blazing red. Beware the red eyes. That creature, of course, was the cryptid that that sets and I might get some pushback from this okay I'm gonna put this cryptid at number four whoa on the most famous cryptid list

I mean, I don't think that that's inappropriate. Here's his list big foot. Yes. Yes, Loch Ness Monster Yes, this is the controversial one to pick up a coprah see that's bias No, I know that's bias because he's a Tupacabra. No, he's a Tupacabra fan. He's seen a few Tupacabra or starving dogs in Texas. Yes. But I actually think that that might be true. I think that Mothman is number three.

I think that Mothman is one of those bands that's like really big within the cryptic community by amongst the people at large, the population at large. Mothman is not big. Mothman is the Sonic Youth of cryptid. I was saying, I was saying more like, who's screwed to? Who's screwed to? No, no, no, no, no, no. I would say the flatwoods monster is more the who's screwed to.

That's the, Fuck you. We got who's screwed to. We got who's screwed to. The Hodec, that's who's screwed to. That's what we said about flatwoods monster is just the Mothman in another form. Well, the creature that sits at number four on our cryptid countdown is the Mothman.

No, we skimmed the Mothman story when we did our men and black series a few years back. But the Mothman story and the story of Mothman in general are not exclusively linked to the Mids. No, they are the Mids are a side effect of the Mothman. We discovered, and we got into the topic of men and black because we were really scared by it and interested in it. But the Mothman story is a whole, and once we got into the actual research behind it, because I've read the Mothman Prophecy's obviously made many times by John Keel, and you got kind

of the overall story about this cryptid, and you don't really, you know, at the time, we're like, oh, well, the mothpains, like a simple story. The, the, the men of black is a cool, complex story, but now you kind of look at it. There's actually many aspects of the mothman story and it's actually kind of complicated and oftentimes, quite controversial. Yeah, okay.

Well, the reason why mothman is so closely linked to the men in black is because the mothman is the most famous case involving the Men in Black. This is not least because of the massive and deadly bridge collapse that happened during the Great Mothman flap of the mid-60s, but we'll get to the Silver Bridge in episode two. Okay. For this series, we're going to be focusing mostly on the Mothman itself, although we

will take some side quest into the mysterious goings-on that occurred around the Mothman itself, although we will take some side quest into the mysterious goings-on that occurred around the Mothman story. Specifically, in episode two, we're gonna explore the enigmatic character known as Indrid Cold. And also, wouldn't Mothman know or not know about 9-11 and why was he there and do nothing? Why did he do nothing? Even though because we know for a fact that men in black were actually just MKUltra trained, former German Nazi scientists that were there, that were used to be a smoke screen because they were acting super weird.

And we need to cover the fact that the Nazi UFO program had been moved since the end of World War II to the TNT area of West Virginia. Buddy, fast forward, 130 in the morning at the bar and you just made yourself a point. Or could it be that the moth man is like the watchman and that they witness but are not allowed to interfere with Dr. Manhattan. What's the point these men will document and what's the man hadn't chose to not interfere

all. I remember. They're their schedule. What is he this thing? I have a choice for me to be amongst them. Their schedules is that for me, the goings-on of man is no more significant than the goings-on of an atom or neutron. So why should I care of the goings-on of man? What a shock. Whoa, man. That's cool. What is it? Is it a Zazzler?

Brother. That's wonderful. Now, of course, the man who brought the Mothman story to the world was paranormal legend John Keel, who's 1976 book, the Mothman prophecies. But my boy was turned into a better than you'd expect, but your gear movie was 2002. Incorrect. No, I watched it last night. Yeah, well, I watched it in the, well, about 10 years ago, it was fun. And I watched it like a year and a half ago, and I really liked it.

12 hours ago. So. You know what it is? It's because you're bringing a level of intensity to the film. Expectation. Expectation. This is a richer,

year vehicle about the moth man. Relax. Put me in a corner. Never put in a corner. But John Keel, what I like about it is that they split John Keel into two people. So it's the John, I think his name is like Creef for whatever. And then there's the scientist lady or the cop lady, Laura Lennie, who is named like, like something leak, which is keel backwards, some garbage. But what it is, it's Richard Geer

trying to talk like John Keel. And you will see is it not how number one, how not how John Keel talked. Yeah, because no one else, no one knows how John Keel and you will see is it not how number one how not how John Keel done. Yeah, because no one else, no one knows how John Keel talks. You're gonna see we're gonna show you a clip today. Okay. But Richard Gears going, nah, you know, I come down here. I'm gonna the smoth man. He's doing this a weird New York accent the whole time because John Keel's from the upper west side. It's vaguely distracting. But the movie itself is stuff that devices they use in the movie are still fine. Like when he shows up at the house and it's like, you bear, you bear, you bear, you're three times now. That is a good thing. The whole time was like, that's not moth man. That's not the moth man story. I know. How do you please?

How do you please the audience? I don't know. I suck. I suck. Oh, yeah. All right. John Keele, however, was not pleased with the fact that he was known until that day he died as the Mothman guy. Well, John Keill felt that his massive body of work was a far too. How do you put it? It was put into a little Mothman box. Yeah. And like while we are showing that the Mothman box is actually much bigger than we originally

thought it was, John Keill had a whole life of writing about these 40 and topics. He was an incredible investigator, died a bachelor, which is a real paranormal investigator. I don't disagree with that. No time for love, no time for a single kiss. I don't think he's ever been hugged. No. Because he basically lived a life rolling in the same aspects of Charles Ford that was like kind of his predecessor who put together all of these stories of the weird. We'll get to him here in a second. But he thought that they should have been cataloged.

Then John Keelks sort believed in that idea and then moved forward with it. And then he was kind of doing it in an empirical way, like believing this concept of like, we're looking for hard evidence of the weird. And him and Jacques Valle, both sort of like figured out, oh, what if we just like understand that it is a psychic and physical scenario? And that's going to be the, they are the kind of the birth of this concept of ultra-trust drills, that everything, everything we see with cryptid UFOs, ghosts, aliens, they're all the same kind of phenomenon, the capital P phenomenon, and that they are all like different, you

know, they're there to teach us some kind of lesson. We don't know what that is. Well, I wonder why they had a hard time fitting in. It was such a nice, totally A to B. You know, I get it. You know, it's the same, it reminds me of Bill Clinton. Everyone focuses on the blow jobs, but they forget about how many black people even incarcerated. You know, let's see the whole picture. Well, let's break down that kill belief system. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, who maintained that all unexplained phenomena actually did have some sort of rational explanation. Fortients, as Charles Forts followers are called, see themselves as ultimately skeptics.

Skeptics, but skeptics cool skeptics. Cool skeptics, not just asshole skeptics. No, not Midwest. No, no, no John Nichols. Okay. They welcomed simple explanations for paranormal phenomena, like when someone confuses a meteor for a UFO or when a dead chupacabra proves itself to be a main-ridden dog. Yeah. It is important to note, however,

that 40s do not employ the term paranormal. Yeah. Asshole. What did I do? I don't know. I'm sorry. I just, I, I struck out of you. Yeah. Paranormal, of course, has negative connotations. It implies that there's something unreal about all this, something unexplainable. Instead, they prefer to classify such phenomena as ghosts, UFOs, and cryptids as the 14 million. Why don't we just call it paranormal? The 14 million sounds like something you do after an all you can eat buffet.

No, I understand. The idea is to set, they are, these guys were the first on the forefront of like, maybe that one day humankind will have a new science that will explain all of these things that includes psychic aspects of 40. That's where John Keel jumped from the 40 and I know. Yeah. For example, the Ghostbusters would be considered 40 and yes, Dan Ackroyd by far, you know, actually looked as well. Yes, Dan Ackroyd. By far, you know, actually,

real life as well, right? Oh, yes. Yeah. But that being said, when it comes to entities in the 40 and milieu, like poltergeists and big foods, 40ians believe that if something unexplained is not a hoax or a misidentification,

that there is still a rational explanation for the phenomena. Just like, yeah, just like there's a rational explanation for save like let's just use the Aurora Borealis. Yeah, we all know that's angel varts. We all know that right. It's stupid. It's a dumb phenomena. Yeah, honestly, I think it should be wiped out. What if it's God's math? Yeah, it's looking bonnie. It's him up there to keep up the fucking platypus dude. I mean, seriously, I didn not think of the platypus. Well, he didn't.

Oh, okay. The way 40s figure it, the Aurora Borealis was something that you could see, but for thousands upon thousands of years, people could not explain what the Aurora Borealis was or why it did, what it did. Now, we can absolutely explain what it is and why it does what it does. I mean, I can't. No, I don't know. I also don't care. I think it has something to do with the magnetic fields of the earth. Oh, wow. I think I thought I just got to do. I thought it's cosmic dust real. Sure. Why not? Also, did you know the waves

are just caused by dolphins farting? That's my dad. I just said it. I just said, it already brought this angel's fart. You just said the thing. I just said farting. Yeah, okay, fine, I'll redo it. Did you know that we can just just call it by sharks? Yawning.

That makes no. I just I did still your bit. Are you sure he's not the one made by a machine? I am. new shirt. I was the scientist that made Henry to laugh. I'd love to see that beaker. Well, to prove that this line of thinking is sound, Lauren Coleman, author of Mothman and other curious encounters,

he cites the oft repeated example given by crypto zoologists, when anyone tells them that crypto zoology doesn't even belong in the same building as so-called respectable zoology. Everybody's immediately offended. Yeah, just, there's room for everyone. I think it's the fact that crypto is in the name. Yeah, crypto is the everybody upset. Everyone hates when crypto is attached to anything.

It makes you feel weird. I like it though. Yeah. See, back in the mid 1800s, rumors were abound in Europe of a gigantic black ferd hollow-eyed man killing monster deep within the jungles of Africa that was strong enough to beat an elephant to death. Whoa. Now, the elephant beating was an exaggeration. I looked it up. This animal cannot beat an elephant to death. It would lose in a fight against an elephant. I love to see it though. But this creature does indeed exist. In 1847, a large humanoid

skull was found by an explorer named Paul de Chalue. And by 1850, a living specimen of this creature was found and they identified it and they named it the gorilla. You see now. Interesting. So the gorilla was a cryptid in the 1800s. But this is absolutely a cryptid. Well, that's very interesting. I am going to though, just say. Okay.

For all you cryptos, you're just a... Are you as a gorilla, aren't real? No, no, they are real. I'm just saying that like, they use these examples all the time. Yeah, they really love me. And the thing is that, but I do, though, I do understand the thing about a grill is that we had other monkeys. We had seen other.

Oh, but you can extrapolate a creature like this kind of thing. It's not a monkey. It's a name. I'm just fucking saying that when you say stuff like a moth man, right? We haven't seen one yet. You haven't seen other examples of it. We haven't seen a Chihuahua man. We haven't seen one yet. You haven't seen other examples of it. We haven't seen a Chihuahua man. We haven't seen anything. We haven't seen a build up to a Moth man. I haven't truly haven't even seen a bird with big enough legs that I can sit in a cold, closely man

like an ostrich. Yeah, they know ostrich. What about a flamenco? I think that you, you know what I'm saying? It's just cryptoswagers old girl like even but in fact, it exists. Like, I love this. It's not the only example though. It's not the only example. Well, this is just a little life tidbit from Ben Kistle. If there's a neighbor in your house or in your neighborhood that puts flamingos out only one time sporadically throughout the year, that means they're having a swingers party. And that's to locate the swingers party. It's the flamingos. That's true with so much swears. Wow. I just glad your research show really does. It makes content.

It does. And on it went like this from the gorilla. This happened over the next century. It happened with goofy little creatures like the pygmy hippopotamus. But we had big hippopotamus. We had bigger. But did we have anything close to the platypus? No, no, we didn't.

I know. I'm just saying it's just a, you know, yeah, our proofs that mothman could exist. We just don't know where he is. I know this is it's just the thing about that. How do you appreciate this? But what are the fearsome creatures? How do you get these nerds to be happy? I know you can't suck the nerds.

But what of the Kom do dragon, which is considered to be a myth. I know what of the great Kraken. There you go. It's just a big ass fucking squid. The giant squid, my friend. I agree. I'm just saying they're all it's the look of the victory in the face of the cryptozoologist that I can't know. It's their satisfaction. They should be satisfied. Well, point is, most cryptozoologists believe themselves to be a legitimate arm of zoology, even if zoologists do not extend their hand in friendship and kind. Everybody's fighting because it can't help. You know, because it derails their entire

like true science of zoology. But zoologists also like, I think they're just fucking jealous. They might say it. They might say it's coming in on their money. They're trying to fuck with, you know how much money's in suology? You know, Lauren Coleman calls it cultural elitism. Yeah.

And that very well may be the case when you consider the sheer number of sightings that occur during the West Virginia Mothman flap of the 1960s. Now, you may say that using a gorilla in this comparison is a false equivalency because those animals were hidden deep in the wilds of Africa far from any sort of city or town or anything. I'm already head of the most. We had other mongred we get examples of a major point.

I'm just saying you've made your point. The apes, but when it comes to the Mothman's environment, while it may not be as dangerous and inaccessible as the Congo, West Virginia is a healthy rival. I call that our Congo. No. No, West Virginia is one of America's forgotten states. So obscure that I'm willing to bet

that most of you would have a hard time naming any city or town in West Virginia besides Point Pleasant. Ben, go, city in West Virginia. Polk, pork West Virginia. Springfield. I bet you there's a springfield. I'm sure there's a springfield. Also, you'd be surprised how many states have a Dublin?

There's a lot of states with a Paris. There's many states with a Paris. There's a Springfield West Virginia. Is there a pulled pork West Virginia? No plot. No plot. We know how many people are in Springfield West Virginia, 421. That counts.

I mean, it does count. And the one that just died made it thought with a time to get stoned. Well, smack dab in the middle of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and actual Virginia. West Virginia is a seldom visited, seldom spoken of state that is neither northern, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and actual Virginia. West Virginia is a seldom visited, seldom spoken of state that is neither Northern, Southern, nor Midwestern. Well, Jared Logan, our comedian friend, he does what's Virginia and his brother, said many times. And I remember the one time he told the story about his grandmother, who's like, we have the juice boxes. And she's like, and she used to call him squeezy. Yeah.

You're always getting this house. You're going to see all some squeezy. That's cute. That's cute. That's his bit. Yeah. With a population that barely edges out Rhode Island, despite being 20 times larger in size, West Virginia is the only state that is completely within the Appalachia region, making it heavily forested.

It is also, of course, heavily mined, which is greatly degraded its quality of life. Good, clean coal. That's what you're watching. Joe, man, I didn't think you for the coal. I was watching a thing where a guy was in a coal mine in town. That's so, so, don't know. Every youth people don't know. They don't know of that coal mine and goes. This whole town's going with it. Absolutely. Yeah, I know. It's very hard, but I know, but we'll get something there. Absolutely.

Now, dense forests, abandoned coal mines, the seventh highest cancer rates in the country, and the highest per capita opioid deaths by a disturbingly large margin. I mean, the nice thing is you just flip it and say, we're number one. Yeah. Number two is like 60 deaths per 1000. And West Virginia is 90 deaths per 1000. Of course. Of course, that's because West Virginia was where OxyCotten was first tested on all

of the aforementioned minors because they suffer from many chronic pain. Yeah. And they've forgotten people, Appalachian. Appalachian forgotten people. They don't just make moonshine. Yeah. Well, this might be, they do make a lot of moonshine. They do make a lot of moonshine. And that's a good thing.

Well, this might be contributing factors as to why the population of West Virginia is so low, but perhaps it could also be that West Virginia seems to repel people on a subconscious level. Marcus, or could it be, or could it be? Yes. Yeah. Or could it be? Or could it be? Yes. Yeah, they say, okay, excuse me. Or could it be perhaps that West Virginia repels people on a subconscious level? Not like me.

I don't know. It's a very conscious level. You were probably people very conscious. It is a choice. West Virginia, you see, just like the Jersey doubles home and the Pine Barrens of New Jersey is a weird place where weird shit happens. Oh, yeah. And it's not just the Mothman. I got a fun little bligg. It's from the same book. Just like just a couple just to understand what else people have been seeing at the time period during the Mothman, the flap, like the story of Kathy Reeves. This was in 1966 around this the same year

that the mothman sighting started. She saw three tiny tree stumps walking across a meadow near her home. Walking trees. That is the only real example of walking trees I found. Well, now I showed some videos on the stream. These walking stumps were orange, blue, white, yellow, and watermelon colors. Oh, they sound like smart. They sound like smart houses. But do they not have the color green?

Yeah, I don't know. I know watermelon. It's green. Maybe it's our source. There was another local couple that saw a group of cyclops. They believe they saw a group of cyclops out in the woods, talking at them. These people saw poltergeists.

They've just been Sarah Huckabee Sanders. I'll be your old wig. Get her. She'll see me on the tonight show tomorrow. Easy me and Vegas. Again, you show up front row. If you haven't a fucking sign that says, I'm Irish. Kissle's gonna nail you.

Right. But no, it is an example of like this. Well, a lot of weird shit happens all once in a pan like paranormal activity now area. So it's political activity UFOs cryptids weird shit and people will see them kind of all at once. Yeah. Of course, the other popular cryptid out of West Virginia, there's that that's the flatwoods monster. Yes. That's in Braxton County. Bung we're going to get the flatwoods monster its own episode in the future. Unless again, it's Mothman in another form. Well, we'll cover that when we cover the flatwood monster.

You're still trying to attach another episode to this time. I'm trying to do. Fly from North way. But for our Mothman series, we're going to focus on where else but the Mothman's home. Point Pleasant, which has a grizzly history all its own. Like most states that are anywhere near the East Coast, West Virginia saw its fair share of wars and battles with native tribes in the 18th century.

And when it came to point pleasant, their most violent and consequential conflict was Lord Dunmore's war. Oh, Lord Dunmore. You thought I didn't see thought you were going to escape history? Nope. No, we got it. Again, I thought we were talking were talking about the mouth. We'll get there. But it starts way back. Right. Before you remember anything you want to talk about it, that's interesting. Yeah. You just got to wait a couple of hundred years. Okay. Before you get to it, it's

really great. Well, thought mostly against the Shawnee and Mingo tribes between 1771 and 1774, Lord Dunmore's war was a fairly typical conflict for the time. As far as Lord Dunmore himself went, he was Scottish by birth and blood and were killed, more often than not. What do you mean, Scottish by blood? Does he have diabetes? No, no, Scottish by blood is more like,

I think it's kidney failure from the scotch, but also, there's something about the affectation of a man with a killed. Yeah, that is like, it's something about the application of a man with a killed. Yeah. That is like, in Scotland, it's great. It makes sense. Yeah.

But in, I would say in West Virginia, it's not going to make that, it's mosquitoes. Yeah. The mosquitoes get all up in there. Your perinium is going to be all dotted up. Showing them all a bite. Your weirdly pasty knees, your pub, your weird knobby legs, just like all, yeah, covered in bites and soot. No. Linsagram calls him his ladybugs.

Yeah. You just, you're really into that. I'm not into it. I just think about it all the time. You really do. See, it was Dunmore's belief that more settlements for the whites, further west into tribal territory, could not be gained through treaty or negotiation. Dunmore advocated instead for total war,

which inevitably resulted in the murders of innocents. Oh, yes. See, even though Dunmore's main enemy with a shani, a group of settlers methodically murdered a family belonging to a friendly tribe named the Mingo. In retaliation, a Mingo chief named Logan killed and scouted 30 settlers, and thereafter joined the Shawnee

against Lower Dunmore. Dunmore therefore signed treaties with other tribes in order to wipe out the Mingo and Shawnee for good. The killing continued from there, but the bloodiest battle of Lower Dunmore's war was fought at where else, but point pleasant. Interesting. In a bloody hand-to-hand battle that lasted for hours, the body count reached into the hundreds, and both sides reportedly took scouts from the dead.

The battle resulted in yet another treaty and effectively ended, Lord Dunmore's War. Well, it was the beginning of Wigs for men who were bolding. Perfect. But in 1777, after the American Revolution began, a shani chief named Cornstock, remembering Lord Dunmore's war, favored neutrality between the Americans and the British. Another party within the shani's, however,

favored sighting with the British, naively hoping that the Brits would live up to promises of no more settlements that encroached on shani territory. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, the guys that started the colonies in the first place. Yeah. They're like, oh, no, with top.

Yeah, Lord done more. Now the former grounds of the Battle of Point Pleasant had since become Fort Randall, and the commander, Matthew R. Buckle, decided to take any Shaw E. C. Foundest prisoners because they were leaning towards supporting the British. And you should have seen his army of cats. John R. Buckle. Oh, yes. That's Matt.

I guess this is great, great, great grandfather. And then honestly, we have those cats to be, I imagine they'd be very lazy. Yeah. Well, yes. Well, yes. You give them the ones on you after the wall. I made true skeptic. And so chief cornstalk, who again favored neutrality, he arrived at Fort Randall with

his young son in the spirit of friendship to ask why his fellow shanis were being held. Cornstalk and his son were of course also imprisoned, but it all came to a head when two militiamen were murdered by the Shawnee. In retaliation, the soldiers within Fort Randall decided to murder all of the Shawnee's in their captivity, including cornstock and his young son. And the American tradition of overreacting. Yes, overcorrection.

Yes, it should be in our national anthem. And of course, as corn stock lay dying, he placed a curse on point pleasant and possibly all of West Virginia. Now this comes up quite a bit in all of the literature about the moth, man. The curse of chief corn stock. Yes, this curse seems to be like it weighs heavily on the people of point pleasant and West Virginia in general. And I do want to say, like, it weighs heavily on the people of Point Plus it and West Virginia in general. And I do want to say, like, yeah, we, uh, we laugh a lot here. We, we have to to make it through this crazy fucking life.

We do, but I do think that of all of the phenomena of the cryptid phenomena. I think that Mothman is largely the most truly frightening. Yeah. And a part of it is about how serious people took this curse and how it comes up again and again and again. Well, and you make this point oftentimes, Henry, I mean, is a curse real? Is it not real? Well, it does seem to affect the people of West Virginia. Yes. They don't have anything. Yeah. And I'm talking basketball, baseball, hockey. They have their main thing is their West Virginia college team. And if you fucking

lose a game there, it's like losing as a soccer player and Saudi Arabia, they'll kill you. They have to. They got nothing else. You have to win. You have to win. But there's something about the phenomena than this trauma of the past. We've talked about this now. We now, the way we've been covering cryptids is like kind of talking about like, where do they come from? Where is the thing that sets it off? Because I believe that it's half psychic. I buy him in the John Keel school of like, you kind of create some of the aspects of it. I forget what the term the hell your crew, the new curks came up with, which is an eager gourd that it's like, so it's a bunch of people. It's like, it's a real term. It's, it's essentially, it's

a topa live. Okay. Where did it come from? Where did it go? Where did it come from? Cotton I Joe. And that's all these. And that's also the fifth cryptid on Marcus's list. Well, here's pretty much how Chief Cornstock's curse went. He said that in the past, he had only ward on the people appoint pleasant in defense and that he had refused to join their red-coated enemies. Cornstock had come to their fort as a friend and they had murdered him along with his young son. You betrayed me. They did.

For this, he said, the curse of the great spirit would rest upon their land. May it be blighted by nature. May it be blighted of its hopes. Oh, now, yes. by nature. May it be blighted of its hopes. All right. May the strength of its peoples be paralyzed by the stain of cornstalks blood. Can we just get it across, Tamer? Just something to go bump the tourism. And sure enough, for decades afterward, any misfortune in or around point pleasant was

blamed on chief cornstalks curse. As a side note, just to give the whole thing a new layer of grave defilement, cornstock was originally buried at Fort Randall and his corpse was disinterred and moved, not once, but twice. Why? Just because they wanted to. Yeah, they tried to want a new place for it. Nothing else to do. Well, they want to put a new thing there and they're like, well, we got this guy here. So let's take a guy and put him somewhere else. In addition, a monument commemorating the Battle of Point Pleasant was destroyed by lightning strike twice.

It's weird. That is weird. That's like weird. That's what those were. You're like, what are we asking? Really? Yeah. So the third time they just didn't,

like the second time they were like, we're just like, we're just like, we're building. Yeah, it's fine. Now, if the only large scale disaster that had ever happened in and around Point Pleasant was the infamous bridge collapse that we'll cover in episode two, then one could easily wave off this curse as just one more amongst no doubt thousands of curses placed upon this land by betrayed and murdered Native American.

Oh, why don't you were going to say just horrible plans on infrastructure? Just in general, just the curses that have just come out of this country. Yeah. But when you look at just what this region of West Virginia has been through over the last 150 years, it very well may be that chief cornstarch's curse was one of the hexes that stuck. This will be the land of the Fupa, the unrestrained Fupa will spread across this great horrible blood so glad. Nothing wrong with a good old Fupa.

Keep it warm down there. Oh, yeah, I like to play with the mags. In 1907, the worst mining disaster in American history occurred in nearby Monogon, West Virginia when 362 miners died after the mine itself mysteriously exploded. They still to this day don't know why it exploded. Maybe it's all the flammable stuff. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Let me, okay, maybe I should say they don't know exactly why it exploded. Probably hit a fucking pocket of gas or whatever and killed all of them. It sounds like it's rough. They have it sounds horrible. They have some pretty good guesses. Yeah. It sounds like it's rough. They have it sounds horrible. They have some pretty good guesses. Yeah, then in 1944 a tornado killed 150 people just north of Point Pleasant. That was fucking Lord Royale. Well, that's what he likes to claim. Yeah, that was because they didn't have a shoe size. He went to

the sketcher store and they did have you know those those like the round shoes. Oh, I remember you were supposed to be for exercise. Yeah, and they don't have size sixes for men's for him. And so he couldn't get I have ravioli back to the 1944 and would put my coast upon the people of West Virginia. If you still out there, Lord, right? Let's go. Let's go. What's up, bro?

When it came to the air, an airplane crash an hour away from Point Pleasant 1968. I killed about 35 people. In two years later, another airplane crash in ourself, when it flew into the side of a mountain, that killed 75. You just want to pull up. In addition to all that, 51 men died when construction scaffolding collapsed during the construction of a power plant just north of Point Pleasant.

And Point Pleasant's entire water supply was once heavily contaminated when a trained derailed outside of town and spilled thousands of gallons of toxic chemicals. To be honest with you, if I'm a politician, I'm blaming all this on Mothman. Oh, yeah, you got that. You got that right, Timothman. That was Mothman. Nothing to do with the deals I've signed. Because it definitely sounds like massive, unrestrained corruption within our infrastructure.

Yeah. It really does sound like regulation. Or it fixed a couple of these things. Or could it be mad man. Oh and East Palestine was about, that happened about two or three hours north of point. Wow. Yeah, wow. It's Palestine.

Yeah. Palestine is that how they say it? That's all they say. And it's like, my Emma in Texas spelled my Emmy. They call it my Emma. I've said this like 20 times. Everybody, but you say this and then I'm going to get three emails and they go, oh, actually, it's called my

Emma in the end. They say, and you're like, I don't know. No, no. There's only like 400 people there. Fucking nobody's listening in my Emma if it even exists anymore. Many towns that I grew up with have since died. It is one of the craziest things as you travel across

the spine country. There are just ghost towns everywhere. Yeah, but bizarre deaths weren't just relegated to the areas outside of point pleasant. In 1976, 10 years after the Mothman flap and the Bridge Collapse, a woman named Harriet Sisk strangled her two-month-old daughter to death after Harriet tripped and fell while carrying her. Of course, the baby was crying.

She wanted the baby to stop crying, so she strangled it to death. But the story doesn't end there. She buried the child with the help of her husband Bruce in a shallow grave. Maybe we should try a deeper grave. Yeah her husband Bruce in a shallow grave. Maybe we should try deeper grave. Yeah, it's always a shallow grave. Don't you're going to kill somebody. Don't half-ass the barrier. This is the time to put the work in.

Absolutely. And soon after she confessed to the murder after the child's grandfather reported the baby missing. Four days after the confession, however, Bruce Sisk showed up at the county jail to fulfill a pact made with his imprisoned wife, carrying a suitcase and a shotgun, Bruce forced his way into his wife's cell and demanded to be left alone with him,

wanting to keep a close eye on the situation. Why didn't you keep a close eye on the situation? Why didn't they just walk in and then he pulled out a shotgun out of a thing and he didn't like back? Well, he just pulled out a shotgun and say, like, put me in the cell with my wife. And they kind of figured, like, all right. We better do that. I mean, it's like, that's where we want you. That's where you would have gone anyway.

Honestly, I get it. I've been a husband five times. So he was with, but they took the shotgun. No, they kept, they allowed him to keep the shot. They allowed him to keep the shotgun. This is my emotional support shotgun. Okay. Well, I can't hurt you with that. Most importantly, they allowed him to keep the suitcase.

Of course, all of these sheriff's deputies, they were huddled in the wall that separated the office from the cells. They wanted to keep a close eye on the situation, but of a lucky Lou, they wanted to know what was going on. I'm just curious, all hell. Unbeknownst to the deputies, the suitcase was filled with 15 pounds of dynamite. Stolen from the construction company where Bruce Sisk had formerly been employed.

Oh. As it turned out, Bruce and Harriet had entered into a suicide pact that was only discovered later when police searched their trailer and found a suicide note. Oh, I bet you dynamite had something to do with that coal mine exploded. Oh, yeah. Oh, you know, they think it was a spark from a lantern or something. I mean, they thought it was a spark and just went, you know what I will say?

Dynamite didn't help. No, no, no. And so after just a couple of minutes alone, the two murderous lovers went out with a bang killing themselves and three sheriff's deputies in the process. after just a couple of minutes alone, the two murderous lovers went out with a bang, killing themselves and three sheriff's deputies in the process. Maybe I'm amazed at the way I love it, oh, I'm sorry. You know what was insane about the stories? I looked up the archive of the original newspaper article

and the first line mentioned the bridge collapse. It was 10 years later and And they say in point pleasant West Virginia, which a decade earlier was the site of a tragic accident on the silver bridge. It's a big fucking deal. Oh, yes. This is what happens when you don't have like a super bold to celebrate. These are literally, these are the time stamps of life. Yeah, your only references are tragedies. Yes. Yeah. But as tragic as all those deaths were what point pleasant is most known for outside of the world of cryptos Eweology is of course that fucking silver bridge collapse, but for us Point Pleasant is the land of the mouth man. Why did you do anything?

Moth man. There's so many things you could have done. He can't interfere. He cannot an interfere or perhaps You could have done. He can't interfere. He cannot interfere. Or perhaps he is not able to interfere. Perhaps he wants to, but cannot. And he looks at us like stupid little man says stupid people doing stupid things. Is that how you see the rules?

No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not a man doing their stupid little man thing. No, I think it's real smart what you guys do no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, when a winged figure appeared before him. Whoa. The creature unfurled the Twings, and apparently the wings span the entire length of the rope. They were huge. Awesome. Then it took off like a bottle rocket straight up into the sky.

See the wheel. But the way I view it, because the Mothman will do this move many times in these sightings. It seems that the wings unfurled, but the way they always talk about it was again, it not like a bird. It looks like a bird, but they, a lot of them said it's closer to what they felt like a machine, where it was extending itself. And then they kind of watched it just lift up. So it doesn't go. It doesn't fly. It just does a thing where it's like slow moving where it's this very, in a kind of like an obvious display. Yeah. Which we hear a lot of times when people talk about UFOs.

Do you think he's trying to court a mate? Yeah. Well, do you see the idea? He wants to be seen. Yeah. Is there a, oh, I hope he's not super lonely, the Mothman. Oh, he's extremely lonely. No one ever listens to him.

No. Well, nothing was seen in the Mothman for five years, or perhaps it might be more accurate to say that nobody talked about seeing the Mothman for five years, or perhaps it might be more accurate to say that nobody talked about seeing the Mothman for five years. 1966, however, was when the Mothman Mania truly began. The story begins at an industrial waste site near a point pleasant that was used by teenagers as the local make-out spot, a place to go parking as a small town folk like the park. Yeah, and we're from, I'm actually from an Italian American New York. Should we call it porcupine?

Yes, indeed. I know you did. Nothing like the smell of human ways to really turn you on with your hottest chick. And it's not human waste. It is chemical waste, my friend. Oh, it's even worse. No, yeah. That's great.

Actually, I don't know if it is worse. It is worse because it can give you cancer. Oh, yeah. You know, obviously, yeah, yeah, it's poop. No one gets poop will cancer. No, as a matter of fact, yeah, yeah, no one gets poop, no one gets poop, no one gets poop, cancer. No, as a matter of fact, you're supposed to take other people's shit and jam it inside to be the stop cancer.

What? Yeah, fecal transplant. Yeah, it's totally real. It is fucking pervert, doctor. I don't wanna give a thing. I don't wanna keep your uncle shit out of my butt. I don't care. You ain't put.

Oh, I've been how much on health care each year. For you to come and put somebody else's fucking shit in my butt. I didn't get real. You ain't put. Oh, I've been how much on health carried here for you to come and put somebody else's fucking shit in my butt. This is why we're gonna die and we're gonna die yelling. Yeah, all three of us. I'll put my shit in your fucking butt. There you go. I still help you just trying to help you out. I still think my last words are gonna be. Oh, that's great.

Oh, fuck. See, back during World War, my last words are gonna be whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop that's great oh fuck see back during world war last my last words are gonna be denying you man yes I do think so yes exactly and you're gonna watch it for damage whoa shit you did do that see back during world war two munitions plants were built all across america and point pleasant was chosen as the site of a TNT factory. They got to build it somewhere. These plants were not only dangerous, but highly toxic as well. This site in particular was named one of the 10 worst polluted sites in the entire country in 1983, because it had been leaking toxic waste into point pleasant's groundwater for who knows how long. Maybe

even since it closed in 1945 because they just closed these places up and just left them. So far no one has said yes to a TV show. This is our travel show. This is the most polluted places in America. I love it. Worse places in America. Yeah.

I try to pitch this to adult swim a long time ago where and this is true. Why I want to do worse places in America where it it was me hold them, McNeely and an MMA fighter that we would book. And then we would go to the worst city, didn't go to the worst bar and the worst restaurant and the worst cities that we could find and then do that. That's nice. I love it. I love the idea. Now, exposure to all of this chemical waste can cause bitter tastes, burning eyes, and discoloration of

the skin in hair. But it does not cause psychosis or hallucinations. So any Joe Nichols, who might point towards groundwater contamination as a possible explanation for the moth man flap, can look for their spoilers elsewhere. I don't think it helped. No, that's the equivalent of the swamp gas. Yes, I can see group poisoning is happening, but normally it's involved in this type of like Extremely detailed photorealistic hallucinations are not really part of that. Okay, there we go

You just you just hurt like a cartoon waller is by the way just burp like a cartoon waller is by the way. Just like a full carp. My way near bones and a lot. What's your? No, November 15th, 1966 at around 11 30 PM, Roger and Linda Scarberry. And another couple named Steve and Mary Malay. And maybe it's probably just Malit. If I think it's Malit.

Yeah, his West Virginia. Yeah, just go, Malit. They were riding around in Rogers 1957 Chevy near the disused abandoned TNT factory. I called the finger pop on wagon. There you go. What a joy right it is. So you was considered good fun to wind around the dirt roads that connected the bunkers of the complex. But just as the couples drove past the old generator building, they saw the telltale red eyes of the moth man on the side of the road. And I remember I was watching a documentary called Search for the Moth Man that has one

of them, the original sightings and there's a bad gum, dim red eyes, they weren't supposed to be there. You know, like, yeah, I believe that. Yeah, yeah, it's a giant moth man. It's, yeah, you're right. Absolutely. And from what they could tell, the creature got in one of its wings caught in a guard wire. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant m. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's a giant moth. It's will become important later. Now, from what they could estimate, the creature was nearly seven feet tall and its flesh was colored as that of a white man.

The wings, despite, yeah, because, you know, you know, the wings, despite being caught on offense were described as angel like an action 10 feet across if they were an inch. I. I'm out of code. It's a. It's a. It doesn't make any sense. No, it's what it was. It was a. It was a.

What the fuck does that. My therapist asked me because I realize as a tick, I say the term not to be anything. You do. Not to be an asshole or whatever. And my therapist was like, what does that even mean? I realize I've been saying it for years. I've often wondered that myself. I know when you say not to be anything,

you're about to say something like an asshole. Something's coming out. Something's coming out. Something's definitely coming out. Not to, not trying to offend anybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. From there, however, the description of the Mothman

gets a little less sexy than from what you might imagine. Yeah, because we always say in our minds, remember, the audience has been poisoned, not just by like, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, it. Yeah, well one of our artists did it in our first Z2 comic goes a pin-up of sexy moth man And there was a massive bulge Of course, of course because no one really wants a three-inch or somebody marry A harbinger of doom indeed well the moth man was indeed man-like But it had no arms and it walked around like a penguin but it had no arms and it walked around like a penguin. That's the thing, it's all legs. So the original mothangs, so remember when you're seeing moth man, it doesn't have arms.

But it's the moths, it's arms. It's wings or it's arms or a lot of time it's attached to its back, but they are, it's like cousin it with two big eyes in the center of it and the and these flappy wings shooting out to the side. Okay. It also had no distinguishable face and it seemed to be headless apart from those massive round eyes. There's some people that believe it is more disturbing than what it's made out to be in the media. Yes. This is where the moth man's giant bird thing is that they, the with their saying is that it's like,

you might be perspective issue. Sure. We're like a vulture whose head is positioned. And if you're looking a vulture dead on, it's head is within its body because you're seeing it straight on where they're thinking maybe the mothman's head was lower and the thing, but I'll just tell you what, people don't like things with no heads. I mean, was that a little scary? Because about seeing things with no heads,

people don't like it. So I understand. But again, this is me trying to imagine the mothman's a bird and I don't even fucking think it is a bird. Now, the couples in the car sat there watching it for a bit, somewhat mesmerized. But when it seemed like they startled it, they got the feeling that this creature might react aggressively. They have no fucking clue what it is. And it's massive.

Well, it seems like it needs help. Yeah. Well, I mean, but even so, if a cornered animal is often the most dangerous, yeah, look at me. Well, I mean, but even so, a cornered animal is often the most dangerous. Yeah, look at me. Mm-hmm. I. But when they started to feel it might get aggressive, they started screaming, go, go, go, go, but the driver found himself unable to do so.

Oh, okay. While they did have the ability to speak, they were physically paralyzed. Very similar to a UFO scenario. Mm-hmm. They were only able to move once the Mothman got its wing loose and very quickly penguin modeled back to the generator building. I wish I didn't have to walk like this. Some believe that it that's where the Mothman made its home. Oh, yeah. I hope so. Well, once the couples were able to break free from their hypnotic

state, they got out of there as fast as they could, but little did they know that the terror was just beginning. As Roger sped out of the TNT plant's winding roads, he found that the mothman had returned and was keeping pace with the car, even as Roger reached speeds of up to 100 miles an hour. And all the while, even over the hysterical crying inside the car, they could hear a screech that sounded unsettlingly like a giant mouse. Now, I was trying to, what does that mean? Like, B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B a glue trap that's like, it's like a pitch that you almost don't hear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like high in love with the same time. Yeah. Fun noises with the boys. Moth man then began toying with them. Just as they believe that the moth man had lost interest, they turn a bin and find the moth man waiting ahead of them. Toxic. As it to show them that no matter how fast they went escape was impossible again

and again the couple would find moth man waiting ahead sitting on sign over here. I'm like over here. Leave us alone. He'd be sitting on signs or flood walls and as soon as the headlights hit him, he'd shoot straight up into the air. Bye. Bye. It's very much similar to the Alan coming. Have you ever spent any time with him the actor? Well, no, no, he never know where he is. That's right. You just leave that. You just think of him as night crawler.

Night crawler. Wow, yeah, I forgot he was. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's all you're thinking. I was thinking of the MC from Cabaret. Ooh, the last. Yes, indeed. I love that movie Cabaret.

Well, the last time they saw him off, man, he was crouched with its wings tucked behind its back as if to signal that the game was over. Yeah, like I'm done. I'm done. Okay, I'm not here for you. It's bored. You interrupted my night.

Yeah. Now, even though what they just experienced was objectively bananas, the couples immediately drove to the nearest phone, the one at Tiny's Drive-In. He was actually very big. I believe that. And they reported to the sheriff what they'd seen at tiny's drive in. He was actually very big. I believe that. And they reported to the sheriff what they'd seen.

I saw that the very solemn face of the woman that was like who saw this first mothman siding. And this is one of those issues where like people always like, oh, you know, they just trying to make that moth man money. They Like they don't even know, they literally dig toxic rocks out of mountains until they die for money. So the idea of a concept, there's a part of me that thinks like, you know, it's just extremely imaginative for a woman that looks like Abraham Lincoln. And so she's there, she's been like,

never saying something so mysterious and And you're like, I you know, I believe it you look like you didn't know what the fuck she but she did the drop it She's like, but I know what I saw And I was with my who's been at the time and he was too fingered deep and I can't lie I can't lie when he's so deep inside. Yeah, absolutely. You can, absolutely. You can't lie when he's up to the knuckle. That's the that's the truth zone. You're not triggered. You're not triggered.

It's the court law truth. So give me the truth zone. Yeah, you mean like Smith and mess. You should be good. Great. Now the sheriff did accuse the couples of being on drugs because this was after all 1966, but he did take them seriously enough to send some guys out to the old TNT plant. While those officers found nothing concrete, one swore that he saw shadows circling the

plant. Most interestingly, the dead dog that was on the side of the road was now gone. Ooh, that was dinner. This however, I don't think it was dinner. You don't think so? Well, I'll get to it later. I got to say this however, was only the beginning of the Mothman flap. And for some reason, Mothman began to target one of the passengers from the car chase,

Linda Scarberry. Now, I actually have some, this is a clip of John Keel talking about one of what if he believes or what of the one of the attracting factors to a moth man, like what makes a moth man riled up. And he talks about the stories that he believed there was a local, there was a blood truck league where people would go and give blood. Okay. And a blood donation mobile.

Yeah. And that there was a, this is where the starts where he saw they, there was witnesses who said they believe that they saw a mouth man trying to attack this blood mobile. But it goes a lot further than that. All right. And this thing hovered over the blood mobile. They first they sensed it,

and then they looked out the windows and looked up, and there's whatever it was. It was a huge thing. And they thought that some like claw-like things were descending and going to grab the blood mobile. This is John Jim, that he drove out of there. Then there were a number of other cases that tied it in with blood.

What's since for me was in talking to female witnesses, I would ask them about their menstrual period. And a lot of these women who claim to have been chased in automobiles were having their menstrual period. And a lot of these women who claim to have been chased in automobiles, we're having their menstrual period at the time. And that seemed to me to be a major clue of some sort. What's that got to do with this? Well, you never know, Mark, I mean, honestly,

don't go to it, man, I'm a scientist. He also then goes on to say, it's very similar to the cattle mutilations. Yeah. Where the cattle mutians are sucked dry of blood and he just loves the word aness as well. But he's not great. He's not just scientist. Died of bachelor.

Be careful. If you're bleeding from your asshole, Marcus, we're canceling our show in West Virginia. My asshole is not blood in a very long time. Fantastic. I found a medication called mesolamine. You know, I just have to take these massive, massive pills every single morning. And you know, no blood, haven't had blood in years. So it just keeps the, it's a pill that keeps the blood inside.

That's a whole not another mystery. It doesn't keep the blood inside. It keeps the wound from bleeding, I think. I'm not sure. I don't know. Because I would say it makes me sensitive. It went up your butt. See that there's like a plug.

There's actually two ways that you can do it. I did use this depository for a little while, but the thing is about depository is that like it actually gets tedious after a little while. Yeah. Do you have to do that? So having something up your asshole every single day. It gets tedious.

Yeah. I would say so. Yeah. I mean, if it's not a vibrator, and you're not like on vacation on your anniversary. Yeah It gets to be tedious and finally just asked my gastroenterologist is like isn't that like a pill or something and she's like oh yeah Right to that I would yeah, why don't you just give me the pill in the first place? You know you're gonna have fun with the

It's cuz you you sick sit on that cone that parking Yeah, it's because you used to sit on that cone that parking code. Yeah, bringing around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, well, the suppositories work better. And it's like, well, start me on the pills. Yeah, they'll go more than let's kick it up a notch. Well, this is actually going to be great when you go to prison and you have to deliver the most important message to the mafia boss. You can suitcase like a motherfucker. Yeah, you'll be

able to get that right up in there. Yeah, well, yes, fine. Okay, traumatized. Let'size. But maybe it was her menstruation. Yes, it was so the menstruation. Now, if so, the mothman, is he like, is he mosquitoish? Does he need others blood to survive? I don't think so. Okay. I mean, there is a local legend that is vampiric, but we'll get to that later. Slide from your place. Now, Linda Scarberry became one of John Keele's go-to interview ease when it came to his Mothman research. And some people therefore suggest that Keele's influence may have colored Linda's perspective.

I mean, he's probably the only person calling her, right? No, I just want to say it's just so nice to be a part of this Mothman experience with you. It's so good. I am. Again, if you want to combine anytime, obviously I got a lot of time in my hands. I just don't really know because he's walking stumps. They don't follow themselves. No, they know.

It's up to you, Keel. God, I just could use a little kiss. I know. It's a terrible one. I'd imagine he got one or two like long hugs from Linda after some visits. I'm sure he did. I just had to be a man who's saddled with the truth. Exactly.

But even so, Linda did believe that the Mothman haunted her for quite a while after that first night. About a month after the chase, Linda said that she saw the Mothman sitting on the roof of her house with its arms, legs and wings folded around itself, which is interesting because when she first saw the moth man, there were no arms or legs. Oh, shape shifting. Oh, oh, oh, yes. That makes sense. Yeah, shifting. Nutrinos. Yeah. We're talking about neutrinos with big foot. This is exactly what it's all tied in. Mothman was looking at her through the window, but Linda said that the mothman did not

seem threatening. Linda felt that he was trying to communicate something, but even though he was not threatening, it was still a mothman. It was too scared to understand the message that he was trying to get to her. Oh, we're let me flirt. It's just your scary one. Oh, the bridge. Yes, just real scary.

We can't just screw him up the bridge all the time. You just like, yeah, again, let's just get to know me. Ask me question. Why is the bridge when the bridge? Absolutely. Of course, bridge bridge. And of course, where? Yes.

Alinda also said that she and many others started seeing UFOs in the area after her experiences with the mouth man Interesting although her UFO experience was one of the more unique ones. She said that her UFO looked like a blooming rose of many colors Yeah, it's very psychedelic. She said it was brighter and more brilliant than anything she'd ever seen. More colors than colors if you get my mean. Yeah. Well, I am actually going to channel the share of your wash yandrux. I feel like she could have been on toxic D&T fumes. Yeah. Now Linda said that she knew of at least 40 people who also saw the moth man during the 13-month flat. Oh, yeah. And a lot of those people saw him more than once. From this, she believed that there may have been, in fact,

many Mothmen. The concept of Bergman as a whole is a big part of cryptozoology. And this, whatever you call this, cryptid world. A lot of Bergmen out there. John Keel believes that there was at least, he said he recorded himself a hundred sightings of the Mothman and his view was that that and then there must have been at least three or four times that amount of people who had actually seen the Mothman.

The number I heard was a thousand. I mean, it's got, you can say anything. You know what I heard, what I heard was, you can literally say anything. Any amount. I do kind of now think that someone had just said anything. You can. Yeah. Yeah.

It's great about it. It's amazing. But by Linda's estimation, and this is an interpretation I'm willing to accept. So it's your interpretation of her estimation. It's my... This is solid evidence. Science. It is my interpretation of her estimation.

Yes. The Mothman had no ill intent. Nor did it do anyone any harm? Really, all it did was scare the hell out of people. It's just its nature. Now, Linda did go a bit far when she was interviewed by author Donnie Surgent, who wrote another Mothman book called Mothman, The Facts Behind the Legend. There's so many Mothman books. Yeah. Yeah, I think there was in there one called Mothman Evil Incarnate., we're going to have that one. I have the other one who is Mothman Speaks is the Mothman's photographer one through three

Wow, a bunch of different you got the John Keel Mothman books. It's a lot of there's a lot of literature Okay, the Mothman's wife the girl both the girl with the Mothman tattoo. I just bought that Yeah, I love that one See as I said earlier Linda had gotten quite close to John keel over the years, and she therefore got pretty deep into the part of the Mothman storyline involving the men in black. Linda believed that the Mothman was actually used as a distraction from various men and black activities in the area. Specifically, she believed that there was a secret plan by the men in black to whisk children away and quote unquote, shape their minds. Oh my God.

But I know for a fact that men and black were actually the smoke screen. They were the ones there. There again, foreign Nazi scientists that were had their brains broken by MK Ultra training. And now they're there to distract everyone while the mothman trying to warn everybody that the fucking that's not, they weren't, he was there about the bridge. He was there about the Nazi UFO program in West Virginia. So she thought there were just whisking kids away to change their brains. Isn't that the military? Isn't that what they that when they go to your high school and be like,

me, you can get out of class. I mean, you can get a college, but your life. But Henry, you say so much about the Nazis. You say so much about UFOs, but Linda Scarberry has a much different interpretation. She believed she claimed that a man in black appeared in her daughter's room when the child was just five years old. Okay. And the reason why the Mib didn't take the baby was because there was a crucifix in the room. So there is also that to consider when listening to Linda Scarman.

Nothing but facts. Honestly, every first date in West Virginia, we just had it. But maybe because all this sounded so crazy, Linda was reluctant to discuss Mothman with anyone except for the professional paranormal and 40-in investigators who came to interview her. The truly trustworthy man. Because everyone in point pleasant, despite their recent embrace of the phenomenon, which I find to be a bit hypocritical, they made fun of her for talking about the moth man.

What seems to be sort of a self protective measure where you're sitting there and be like, I can't even believe she believe in a moth man. Me all night. They're just like, scaring me. That is red eyes. That is red eyes. Absolutely. I mean, it's too scary to believe in.

Mm-hmm. Linda actually just wanted everyone to leave the Mothman alone because if the Mothman wanted to harm anyone, it would have done so already. Absolutely. I mean, at the same time, Mothman chased a bunch of people driving. It's very irresponsible of the Mothman. Well, it's kind of fun though as well. He's just much like dogs.

We'll chase a car. Mm-hmm. He's still just an animal. He wants to have a good time. And he won't even know what to do because he's ahold of it. No, he wouldn't. And I'm also getting to maybe why. The rational why as to Mothman's chasing of cars. It's all I seek. But here's the most mysterious thing about Linda Scarberry's experience with the Mothman. Donnie Surgeon asked her if there were any details about the Mothman that she had never shared publicly, never shared with anyone.

And she said, yes. And she never will. Oh, oh, oh, oh, baby. She about to have a couple of Moth kids. Why didn't she tell? It was gonna be, and she had a bit of an experience with some Mothballs. Oh, baby, you want to, you want oh my you want to you want to spread that right in there Put it. I got a bright light. It was spread that wide open and then mouth kids gonna fly right out of you

All she has to do is tell us her secrets She can help us she has sex with The dick and balls we don't know I mean sex can happen without a dick and balls You're an normative fucking The butthole however you want to do it elbow elbow You know what that's the thing Henry is if butthole the butthole does exist That means that you had sex with your dog the other night. Oh In Wendy's butthole, but we don't talk. Also, you may have just saved your life.

We were talking shit in her shit. You put your shit in her shit because she was having some tummy issues and you're still trapped. We are. Yeah, we were butthole but not I'd pants up. Yeah. And for more details about that, go watch the archives of Lafstream on the left. Thank you. Yes.

Last stream on the left. I was wearing pants. I know. Now, just after the chase scene of the DNT plant, the story of this mysterious flying creature got picked up by a paper in Ohio. The copy editor was a big fan of the Batman TV show, but since he couldn't call the creature Batman,

he decided the next best thing with wings was a moth, hence moth man. That's my man is also a good, it's great branding. It is. I moth, a moth is creepy also a good, it's great branding. It is. A moth is creepy in its way because we don't know what they do. They just stand there slow, but also neutral. Like when I see a moth, they don't really freak out. Mosquitoes, you hate the mosquitoes.

Slides are like, can you stop? But a moth, you're like, all right. No, it's, it's, it leads your shadow, though. It'll lead your clothes. I hate moths. Do you, I heard kind of creepy. Yeah, well, when I was a kid, I had a moth infestation in my room for some reason or another. And when I would go to sleep at night, the moths, I was the warmest thing in the room. So the moths kept pinking me on the head all night

long. Right. Well, work as we don't know all of your past trauma before we start talking. So we don't take any turns in the race. I'm just saying. Did anyone where any other rooms in your home that it was a fully you got all like a ceiling and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Any other rooms have mosques? We all grew up middle class. Yeah.

I had a ceiling. Yeah. He wasn't like, but he wasn't in the other rooms in the house of mosques. No. No, just yours. Okay. No. I think my duty is activity.

And got us. We had another bad. I just went out of this window to a bunch of balls in this room and Ted Bundy fixtures on the wall. I wonder why your parents were worried. Yeah, they just been like, I don't know if he's going to grow up to take over the ranch. They gave up that dream long ago. Yeah, just something with Marcus. He's just licking rocks. I just don't know if he's going to be the rancher boy. I don't know if he's going to be in charge of the land. You know what, it's nice. Me and my mother used to go rock collecting together.

It's really sweet. Yeah, there really is. No, I'm connecting with him. No, no, no, I'm not making any weird out connecting with him. Thank God your parents were exactly who they are. Very proud. Yes. Wonderful people.

I love them. But that's the interesting thing about Mothman is that it was not the people who named the creature. It was an editorial decision. That is interesting. It's the same thing. It's very funny. That's like, get me pictures of the spider.

Yeah. That is interesting though. Now, of course, the people involved with the first encounter became a laughing stock. And I'm sure they spent the next weeks, months, and years yelling, I know what I saw. And what's the point of just laughing at it? I feel like people like this make, though, this is my life is fun. That's why it's fun. Yeah, but that's the thing is that some people take the fun and they turn into their own fun and their own fun is really means like, are you Landa, you seeing me moth, man,

this today? Yeah, you're all that stupid, you're menstruating. You know how that m mulls come around. You had their blood panties. But even with the ridicule that came to Linda and the rest, more and more people began reporting encounters with the moth man. On the same night as the first encounter,

a man named Newell Partridge was 90 miles away, relaxing with his dog Bandit while watching TV. Suddenly the TV switched off and Bandit went nuts. No one outside with a flashlight, only to find two large red eyes staring back. No mind the red eyes. Bandit let to attack whatever it was, but both the Mothman and Bandit disappeared. Bandit paid for his over eager response and was never seen again. But I like to think that Newell Partridge was a mean old man who didn't treat Bandit as he should have been treated. And that the dead dog that was seen on the

side of the road, that was Mothman's dog. And Mothman was sad because his dog had died. And so Mothman was just replacing his dog with a new dog that needed rescue. And bandits was Mothman's best friend from that day forward. That's conjecture. Yeah, let him just have that's conjecture. He's allowed. I think the only thing that knew was remotely close to nice too was that dog. He might have been, but I'm just saying let him have this. This is a Laos mark. I imagine the Mothman to be a friendly character in my mind. We've all established.

She's neutral at worst. I don't think he's a blood-deeating, he's not a blood-drinking monster. He's not a monster. He's a psychic phenomena that is becoming physical because it is a collective and conscious response to a possible gigantic tragedy. But he ain't banned it.

No, he didn't. No, he didn't. No, he did. No, I just think of it. Moth now, a little dog named bandit. I mean, that's cute. Yeah, but there's no other no one seen him with dogs. I think it's all cute and nice. And then he just like meet my wife bandit.

You're like, you're fucking. Oh, you're the one that brought B.C. Allie. Yeah, you bring the ball. But when there's no evidence of the Mothman committing B.C. There's no no evidence that the boss man likes dogs. Oh, I know how to drain bandit. If you know, oh, that's disgusting. Oh, fortunate, there's dog one time all of a sudden he's an expert. I did mean to. Well, the next night, a couple named the Wamsleys and their friend Marcella Bennett, along

with Marcella's infant child, they were on their way to pop in on a friend who lived near the TNT dump. The friend wasn't there, but as the group started walking back to their car, they saw the mouth man lurking behind their vehicle. The creature slowly rose from the ground, but to them, he did not have the same Caucasian flesh color. He instead appeared to be gray, but he still had the same unsettling red eyes. That's the thing that's constant all throughout. Again, everyone was paralyzed, although Marcelo Bennett was so scared that she fell over and she fell on her baby.

Yeah. She was just like, I'd be frank, I thought I killed it. I was paralyzed and I felt like a plank right on top of it. But you know what, you be cra- you be amazed how many inches a baby can officially squish. Oh, yeah, baby's very flexible, pliable. Finally though, the mothman stood up and extended its massive 10 foot long wings. That seemed to break the spell because the witnesses immediately ran back to their friend's house to call the sheriff. When he arrived though, the math man had long since flown away.

Honestly, this was a fun town to be the sheriff in. Oh, this guy, he's a real ghost buster. It truly must be very, you know, it's boring, but remember of the Pennsylvania big foot flag. They cops hated it. They were mad. They were mad because again, they just thought it was stupid. Yeah. And they didn't want anybody like because again, what is a sheriff love to do more than

anything else? Sit. Nothing. Yeah. So the idea of having to get out of the car and show them you have to go out in the brush. You know, I mean, you got to get your shoes dusty. I mean, it's obviously illegal to file a false police report, but these are, they're not.

Police report saying they saw a thing. Yeah. Now, as it usually happens with flaps, there were dozens of other paranormal goings on happening at the same time as the moth man. Yes. Yeah. You have a society. Yes. Poltergeist activity in such and such. Yes. Literally, people seeing the way I said before, people seeing weird cyclops things, people seeing weird things in the woods, other characters showing up like a, and a lot of ghost activity. Yeah. But the Mothman sightings themselves were curiously inconsistent, although I want to make it clear that I don't say that with a skeptical tone. One person described the Mothman as a brown human gliding through the trees. Well, another said that it was only four feet tall instead of the standard seven. But while the height change, this is interesting.

The 10 foot wingspan always stayed the same. I do think it's because it's a number that people can choose to try to explain that I had very big wings because again, scientifically, if it was a big fucking bird and I had the body of a human, it wings would need to be like 30 feet long for it to fly. But on the other hand, I did pose this question to you earlier. I wonder if the people that made those calculations took into account the fact that a bird's bones are hollow.

I was going to say that. I don't know. I don't know if they are in sufferable prick. I don't know. That's why a bird is a little bit lighter. Well, still others so that it wasn't bird like at all, but it was more of a flying humanoid. Some people that saw the moth man flying around, tiny's driving, they said that it had like legs dangling off the side of it like it was on the Batman ride. Yeah. Oh my goodness.

Like when you used to get toys as a kid and their legs would start to fall when you would fly with them, I used to tape them so they didn't fall down. I was very precious for my toys. As you should have, but it's very creepy in that way because they say it again, the way it operated was really strange. People had very specific things of what they saw. Yeah, they did.

And there's something to, because again, I think a lot of it could be equated to, you know, people also said to look like a kind of a man in a suit, you know, I mean, like, you know, this is the time traveling him beings. Shit, we've been talking, we were maybe dealing with right now with the whistleblowers, like with the UFO disclosure, we've been talking about some of the stuff might be time traveling human beings. Yeah. And I thought you were going to say it might have been all the opioids. That was before the opioid. Yeah, this is the opioid. Oh, yeah, this is way clear minded West Virginians.

Yeah, well, I wouldn't say clear minded, but you know, that not not oxy, not oxy, not oxy. Not oxy. Straight up just mountain ignorance. Yes indeed. Well, that's not my line. The people of West Virginian too. No, I mean, it's a good old boost.

Oh, yeah. No people live in normal lives. And Laura Lenny makes a joke in the horrible, the mouth and prophecies. You mean like, yes, we had homes. They don't live on farms. You know, and Richard gear was like, that's amazing.

Can't believe that's the most, but the most incredible thing could this month make he's calling me. This month, man, it's calling me on that. I can't sleep. And then he pulled that gerbil. Yeah, great, great, great. Well, I mean, to put my skeptic hat on just briefly, what was on?

Yeah, it's on. I mean, this could be explained by simple psychological phenomena. Of course. It could be that, you know, this is a game of telephone that's going on, that one person describes seeing the Mothman. And then of course, since our brains are designed to look for patterns, people are thinking about the Mothman. So they see a strange pattern that looks kind of like the Mothman. That that's the moth man. Yeah, so that's the moth man and

that's what the moth man looks like to them. That could very well be the case, but that does not discount the original sighting of the moth man. No, I'm going to keep, I'm fucking keep me in the pen. There you go. Skeptic scap is now off. But the one thing besides the skid at answer down. Yeah, it's very weird. Well, the one thing besides the wingspan that stayed constant was that the moth man loved chasing cars. It could keep up at any speed without showing any signs of fatigue or strain. Look how fast I'm going. Yeah, look how fast I'm going.

There's something very innocent about this. If you're the moth man, that's what else are you going to do? They drive around for fun. He chases the cars for fun. He's doing his own part for the course. That's what he's doing. He's cruising. Yeah. But here's where we can get into the crypto zoological interpretations of the moth man itself. Now again, I'm going to apologize immediately for this very classic reductivism. I mean, very complex topic. What's moth man redux? That's the episode. See, Crypto's who is just, I mean, just they both share the set Redux.

They just share it. He's just in our sounds. Hell, technically I'm a master of the English language. Well, Crypto's who all just Mark Hall claims that Moth men began appearing in the 60s because of the ubiquitous nature of cars. His theory is that they don't actually chase cars, but rather use the artificial air currents to fly further and faster with less energy. Just Tokyo drift. They're just drifting. They're just drifting. Can I say that that is stupid? Yeah, I feel like that is stupid. Which is the idea because I feel like that is stupid. What just the idea because I feel that we see a lot more.

Martha. Oh, what's the most? Why would they follow trains or planes or anything? That's too fast. That's too fast. Well, trains would be too slow. And the airplanes too high. But yes, you do wonder why you see them on the highways. But perhaps that's too fast. But on the other hand, they're going on for hours. It's that's your fast. I actually think that that man is making a false correlation. Yes, the increase of cars does exist with the increase of a moth man sightings, but these are just two that's a serious relation.

I'm just saying we're attacking them already. I actually really think that's dumb. I it is, but you know, we're attacking them. Let's hear his point. Yeah, yeah, because hall he doesn't refer to the Moth man as Moth man. Okay. He does not think it is a mouth notice. He think it is a man. Instead hall believes that the I hate this. I don't like this guy. I'm not about mine.

This is next minute. This is next minute. Like it's very sorry. Okay. Okay. Hall believes that Moth man is a Sorry, okay, okay. Hall believes that Muffman is a jack... Well, I gotta hear what this is now. Oh, man. It's a giant outfit. He calls big hoots. He says it's a big hoot.

I hate to get this. It's an owl named Big Hoot. I hate big hoots. I mean, it's a pun, the pun works a lot better when you see it written down that we have set out a lot. Yeah. Because otherwise it'd be like big hood big hood. It means nothing.

The big hood. The big hood. I hate the big hood. It is because again, it sounds like a chicken deal. It really does. Have you ever had the big hood and jackies? You know what I mean? It also sounds like you went to the doctor and you got three days to live and they just

call it the big hood. Oh, yeah, you got one good tent. Yeah, that's a big hoot. You want to do that? Mom, mom, a big hoot. You're allowed to the flirt. I got damn owl, huh? Yeah, big hoot. Yeah, these ideas that like the big foot, the people that say that the big foot is an undiscovered primate that we don't, we don't know, understand or some kind of former descendant, an actual descendant of humankind that is like, it's quote unquote hiding for its own good. It understands our nature and doesn't want to be near us. But his idea is that the big hoot is something like that,

that it's some kind of primordial giant hoot. That existed. And I guess, understands things better than others. Hoots. Okay. Well, I guess. Because I'm just calling them hoots. Well, this guy got his, any type of bird that ain't us. It. Well, I guess. I just call them hoot. Well, this guy got

these any type of bird that ain't us. It's either a squawk. What's the point? A chirp or a hoot. It's a hoot. What's the point? You know, just this just have fun with it. Yeah. Well, I don't know. That's the thing. He's not having fun with it. He's like, it's now. It's a big hoot. Well, he's been, I mean, big hoot is having fun with it, you know, kind of. Yeah. The bolster this been, I mean, big who is having fun with it, you know, kind of, you know, the bolster of this supposition, Mark Hall used the same source that a lot of cryptos will just use. Hall points towards local tribal legends, which ain't a bad place to start when you again

consider the gorilla. But it also giant birds within tribal tradition are extremely like there. It's a lot. It's really, really, but that whole subject, I didn't actually really understand how important it was to a lot of their folklore. Oh, yeah. Now, according to local tribal folklore, reports of giant bizarre birds around point pleasant have existed for centuries.

Big squawks, big chirps, big goose. The names of these creatures translate to either flying head or big head depending on the tribe. These are cool. I like that. These creatures are described as being huge, bodyless heads covered in long hair, sporting sharp claws like nails. And of course, fiery red eyes. As opposed to your friendly neighborhood mothman though, these creatures were also vampires that induced illnesses so they could feast upon the dead. Well, what?

I mean, all right. I mean, I guess, but wouldn't that taint the blood? Wouldn't that be like eating a hamburger after you drop it on the ground? No, it's ahead. It's got no blood. The blood's going nowhere. If it drinks the blood, it's a giant hat. No, it's making the blood bad.

So because that's a thing. It'll kill the person. It kills the person because it doesn't want the person to take the blood. No, because it's the one bad, so because that's a thing. It'll kill the person. It kills the person. But it doesn't let the person take the blood. No, because it's the one that tainted it. Big heads don't have a direct biological callary to anything. It's just a hat. It's just a hat.

So it's just all this. Yeah, this is a story. This is a story. This is just a total make-up. Yes. Well, it's folklore. Folklore, yeah. It's like the kelp.

So I would say this is a make-up. Is it a whole story? It's a no story. Yeah, it could be a metaphor for something. Who knows? I don't know. Could be. Most interestingly though, flying heads and big heads were considered to be harbingers of doom. Okay. Just as the moth man would soon himself be considered. And there's other cryptids that are also a part of I did a little bit of research into it, but I'll just say it just because there's really not much, but the black bird of Chernobyl is another burn like cryptid that was seen. What they said in the build a lead up to the Chernobyl disaster is that people were seeing this giant thing outside of the nuclear power plant.

And I don't know whether or not this is all just all of these things kind of slamming together and retrospect when people looking back, thinking about mothman, thinking about these things that they saw. People seeing giant bird-like creatures with glowing red eyes is kind of an international phenomenon. All right. Now Mothman haunted point pleasant for 13 months and John Keel estimated that, okay, this is where people just gave me a make-em-up number. John, they said that John Keel estimated that there were over a thousand moth man encounters.

He's just saying, you know, I think that John Keel is just saying, here's a lot. I think there's a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot. There's potentially a thousand. I think the guy who was writing about John Keel just said there was a lot. I think it might just be a hundred. John Keel is just, he's also, he's a gentleman.

He is a gentleman. Yeah, I think it's closer to a hunt. You heard his talk. We really should get to the facts here. Yeah. Well, they saw, hey, just the facts. Well, they also had dozens of UFO sightings, heavy poltergeist activity, and of course visits from the men in black.

But some believe that this entire flap was all the CIA black ops experiment to see how Americans might react to a cold war flying saucer disinformation invasion. Okay. And considering the kinds of shit we did with MK Ultra and all the rest of the experiments we performed on populations, both large and small. Remember we gasped New York City. Yep. That isn't a bad guess.

No. What's interesting about this theory though is that the loudest proponent, an author named Jim Keith, died mysteriously during a routine knee surgery after he fell off a stage at Burning Man. Yeah. Never happens. Wait. What year was that?

Oh, I don't know. I'm not doing that thing about this. There's other things too. Wait, what year was that? Oh, I don't know. I'm not assuming that thing about this. There's other things too. David Grabius, who is the director of the search from off-man documentary. He was supposed to go to interview John Keel on point pleasant for his 2002 documentary.

And they were gonna fly Keel from his Manhattan home to West Virginia to do the taping, right? But guess what? He didn't make that flight, he didn't go because his flight was canceled because the day he was supposed to fly September 11th 2001 So and okay, so yeah against burious, but what would be and then how do you and then you got to do it?

So what does that mean? So what's the cover? I know 9-11, Mark Mann, guy who's gonna interview John Keel. Coincidences? Coincidences. Okay, great. So you're saying it's a coincidence, yeah. Are there any coincidences? I think there's actually a strange amount of coincidences. Jim Keith died after the 1999 burning man,

which I would imagine would have been a pretty sick burning man. To be honest with you, that's pre-corporate burning man. That would have been fun. Before no one knew when burning man was. Yeah. That's Mad Max days burning man. Oh, and also the publisher of both his and John Keel's books, Jim Keith and John Keel's books, he died needlessly in a hospital while being treated for food poisoning.

Yeah. People die. There's no such thing as coincidences not in this life. No, it's just so wrong. Everything happens for a reason. Mm-hmm. Henry Thomas, don't you understand? It's a yes. I know you couldn't be you're famous. You're not being famous. But think what you get to do. You get to spend so much time with your family. Yes, and who wants to be in Paris drinking wine with whole cylinders of cocaine? And I will quote something that I recently read, watched or heard. I don't remember where

it was from. I do take a lot of information. I do take a lot of information. I believe in coincidences, but I don't trust coincidences. Thank you. 9-11. You know what also is difficult? It's not only how you know also someone is truly difficult if they call it 911. Oh, I, yeah. That's how you know someone is not difficult person.

But you got to know that conversation because they believe that by saying 9-11 they are contributing to a mad narrative. A gigantic, what do you call it? Magic, ritual. Yeah, yeah. And a A gigantic, what do you call it? Magic, original, yeah. And a false narrative, you have to call it 911.

Well, that's great. That's a good way to protect yourself. Yeah, just know ahead of time before you take that job. Yeah. You're boss is saying 911 all the time. If he's talking about 911 a lot. Maybe he's talking to a job interview. Yeah, he's like, hey, what are we just about?

Is this at the museum? Like, it's not a job at the museum then you should have to. Right, but regardless of what the Mothman was, why all this was happening, or who was behind it, there is still the very real matter of the bridge, which is where we'll pick back up next week for the conclusion to our Mothman double header. And we're going to have so much more absolute iron clad for you, fifth Mothman was at 9-11. And did nothing. Did nothing.

But no, we'll get to the more woo-woo-woo. But also kind of like cover more of this case. And then again, we're bringing our old buddy, Indred Cole, do we haven't really gone into full that? We've actually never really covered injured cold at all. Yeah, I'm very excited. Yeah. And we got that. That's great. And also this I'm horrified of heights and I for that reason, I don't like bridges. So from that perspective, it'll also be scary. I also hate bridges. I just get so nervous because you know, all you do is

turn the wheel one way. You're gone. And then the idea of it collapsing is just so fucking scary. Oh, yes. Very very. I'll speak to the scary. I'm going to be in Las Vegas on Sunday. So come and check me out on wise guys comedy club. This will be July. I would think about what is the 23rd or something. Yes. Absolutely. So yeah, just look at the Sunday, the Sunday after July 20. If you're listening to this five years from now, I'm not there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's still weird. Like plug is easily forever. But it's good to do. It's good to plug for now because the audience could see a time capsule. Yes. What our lives were like before not there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I'm currently pending fine to find out whether they let me go. We the only thing scabby on me is my knees after a fun weekend because we are not going to be breaking none of them pick it last. No, man, we do not. I have no fucking scab. We fuck the studio execs. I don't want to help them. Oh, one bit. Yep.

Fuck universal. Please share the photo. Unbelievable. Please share the photo of the trees that universal studios cut to deprive the strikers of their shade. And by the way, those trees were owned by the city of Los Angeles. They were not owned by Universal. They did that on purpose in order to break the strike, fuck them, fuck every single one of them, unions forever.

Unions forever. And look at this as shit. But so, and then with that energy, join us next week for our subathon. We're doing the, for LP and TV presents, the grind house. And we're doing is a full on parody of everybody's favorite show from the mid 90s to the fucking the 2000, the 90s, the 2003, the grind. We're going to be debuting some pilots of our new like, twod shows and we have Daisy for.

No, she has her life. Her life is going far too well to come for. That's good. I'm happy she's doing great. We are actually going to have a right moment. A bunch of guests, special guests and new shows and we are doing that twitch.tv slash last podcast network from 10 to 10 July 29th.

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