Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 540: Mothman : Redux Part II - Don't Kill The Messenger

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

To close out the mysterious tale of The Mothman, this week the boys discuss the catastrophic collapse of The Silver Bridge, an elusive extra-terrestrial entity known only as Indrid Cold, and how the more recent sightings of The Mothman could prove that maybe he WAS just trying to warn us after all!

A roast as dark as the night, perfect for fueling the cryptid research and mad ravings required for your podcasting. Don't mind the red eyes, he's just trying to warn you of the bridge! The bridge! Finally, from the caffeine-abilled brains of Spring Hill Jack coffee and last podcast on the left, we bring you Mothman's Red Eye Blend. Yes, delicious Panama beans. Go to lastpodcastmerch.com to auto-yours today. There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk.

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Axel Rose. We do. The last podcast on the left. That would have been, you know, Henry. Our end mark is I don't know if you are the same after the 90 minute, wonderful testimonial there on C-SPAN, but we're not here to talk about UFOs. We're here to talk about something that actually exists. Mossman Redux. I can't begin.

Wow, okay. I can't begin. No, no, no, that's fine. That's fine. It's fine. We're not here to talk about UFOs. We're here to talk about something that also exists. Well, Mossman and UFO tech activity. I got into UFO this week because of John Keel. Really?

I've been listening to a lot of John Keel. Wait, you've calling me that UFO now? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, only for the old. Yes, I was at Marcus for 12 years for calling it UFO. Because he, no, you don't get to change. No, no, he doesn't mean for saying, oophologists.

Yes, oophologists sounds like, ooo, it sounds like a man who studies UFOs has bent over in another UFOologist as combined as an inserted his cylinder inside of his collaca. Oh, well, you never. But no, yeah, he does say u-fo. But yeah, unfortunately, Kissel, they are not separate.

The two phenomena are linked as a matter of fact. One is it's more of a UFO chicken or the egg fucking scenario that we were dead in the goddamn center up. They did officially say that the egg had came first. So, all right, let's go on to Mothman Redux or two. Somebody said it. Some breakfast idiot. Mothman Redux for two. So when we last left the Mothman story, the Mothman had been seen hundreds of times in and around Point Pleasant West Virginia over a period of about a year, but with so many sightings and so many variations in the appearance of the Mothman,

they're inevitably came multiple interpretations in so far as the Mothman's biology and intent. It is non-human biologics. It's intriguing. I love non-human biologics. My favorite new C-Span word. I also don't understand how they can make a entire, a literally groundbreaking government hearing, but you oppose. They both make it. You're like, oh, this is interesting, but extremely boring. Are you a cobbler? You keep on shoehorn in this

end because we are onto Mothman Redux part two. Not David Grush shits the bed in front of Congress. He hasn't shot the bed yet until he started selling like juice. Well, some people like our big-hute expert last episode, they believe the Mothman to be nothing more than a bird that's simply too large. It's a bird. It's just simply too large. It could be reasonable. More according to George Norrie, let me ask you this question.

Could it possibly be a tarot actor? We don't know. He seriously just asked it. Could it be a tarot actor? He's just asking questions. Yeah. That's his job, Henry. Guys, unbelievable.

Tell me if a Tupa cobra and a Sasquatch and a Yeti all sat down to lunch. Would they share a nontre? Is it a family style gathering? Is everyone family here? Wow. And the chupacabra is at dinner. We don't know if they're Italian or not. Do it? Well, in this big bird scenario, it's a bird that's so far outside of our expectations of bird size that it freaks people out. Sure. At the end of the day though, the big hoot guy says that it's just a big bird doing big bird things.

Never, man. Big bird. He's in also strange at the Sesame Street, Big Bird. Like, you know, because Snuffle Lupagus, like, isn't real, like, he's like, he's kind of like fucking like Tyler Durd. Like, what do you mean, Big Bird? Big Bird looks half his world on Sesame Street. He lives half his world in this imaginary realm where he talks of this elephant.

Like he's like dangerous. And you're pre supposing here that Sesame Street is the real world that Big Bird lives in. That's how I view it. Well, he got a huge bad way to look at it. Imagination land. Yeah. Yeah. So no,

Imagination land is where they go. That? It's imagination land. Yeah. Yeah. So imagine land is where they go. That's where they go on the weekend. All right. Well, you never know. Either way, great documentary on the man who played Big Bird. Very difficult to do. It is.

I would imagine so. See is for crack cocaine. Double sees. Well, other people of course say that the Mothman flap was a CIA black ops project testing American resilience in the face of a possible Russian sia up involving Russian made UFO. There's some facts in there. Then you've got the Nazi angle that Henry is so fond of.

You see, this is where you've been wrong. You've been wrong this entire time. It's not a fact. Okay. According to the Mothman speaks by Andrew Colvin, which I dare you to read. All right. Because it is a man self describing, well, how do he, he self transcribing an interview with someone who doesn't exist, who then the interview asked some questions within the

book that he then does not answer. So he just made it up, but didn't make up the answer. He made up the questions, but not the answer. He made up the questions and then answered something else. Like he'd answer you'd be like, so what was your first experience with the Mothman? Right. And then he goes into a really long description about how, see, then I'm black.

They're often described as, this is an old term. He called it the Oriental M-I-Bs, right? Which is a term we don't use anymore. And then he said that these so-called M-I-Bs, what they actually are, were rogue monks that were created, literally in a lab like myself. They were, They were. Come to America because when we were trying to, when the CIA was trying to get the Dalai Lama

out of Tibet, what all of his fellow monks were trying to do was send the new Dalai Lama to America to be born out of an American pussy. And so these MIBs were like rogue agents against the Dalai Lama and against the CIA themselves. Or are they a rogue group within the CIA? I don't know. But these showed up a point, pleasant West Virginia in order to find the new Dalai Lama. All right. Born in West Virginia. Yeah.

Well, it sounds exactly like the plot of the golden child. Nothing like the plot of golden child. I do remember the putting them. All right. Well, they make that look good. Let's jump right in. Let's get into it. Well, the CIA black ops shed the big bird. These are the more practical explanations. Very much

they're rooted in the conventional realities of biology and government skull duggering. Oh, they're deeply rooted. Utterly sensible. Of course. There are explanations saying that Mothman, however, was indeed a conscious creature, but still something paranormal. Or if you're being difficult, a creature of the 14 million you were being difficult. We are. Okay. Mothman's like, no one believes me. Yeah.

If you can't handle me at my fortune millie, you don't deserve me at my. Very good. That's Jeff the talking Manga. That's forcian meal. You don't deserve me at my, ha ha. Very good. That's Jeff the talking Mangaus. That's March. See something that the Mothman was and is a harbinger of doom. It only shows up when something terrible is about to happen. He is not the cause of these events, but merely a side effect.

So isn't that a good thing? He's like warning people. Bridge about to collapse. get off the bridge. I don't think that he should take the, it don't kill the messenger. But at the same time, it's no one believe the messenger. No one could understand that that's what the message was, which is very difficult.

The Mothman needs to be a little bit more specific. He just shows up and squeaks at people. Get going, you're home. That means go to your home, hunker down. But that kind of speaks to the fact that maybe their intelligence outside of us that have been guiding humankind all along and to the moth man,

sort of fits into one of these pre-subscribed notions of encrypted, right? 90 minutes of cease-band really changed you. Right. This is amazing. But you had to be projected out because somehow we know time ain't real. And so everything's happening all at once. You are throwing a lot of the wall.

Yeah, man. I was stuck in a car yesterday for five hours driving to O C and back for a door. I could not fit into my own fucking car. And the time time though, I just had Mothman go. So I am loved it. Well, I mean, Ben, perhaps you like this other belief that the Mothman is more of an altruistic character that he shows up as a warning. Yes, but the problem is that of course the warnings are vague and they are delivered in such a way that no action could be taken based upon those warnings. You can't say the moth man screamed at me.

Something bad's going to happen. Police need to do something. Nor could you say I had a dream in which something bad happened. You go to the police say, hey, I had a dream. Something bad's going to happen beyond the alert. Cops are going to. No, as we know, if you tell the cops, you have a dream they assassinate you. But what I am saying is if you see the moth man, just go home. Yeah, yeah. It's a nice over nice over. You've seen the matter.

What? Yeah. But no matter if the moth man truly was trying to warn the people a point pleasant about some impending doom or if the moth is, you know, is it good example? Is Roger Clinton is Roger Clinton. Roger Clinton, we all should have understood. Right here, here, here, here we go.

Did you get it out when you were screaming traffic? In the middle of a sentence. Pointy, pointy, Roger Clinton's the middle of a sentence. He arrives into this life to show us all. On the phone now, we can't end it. No, no, no, no. We can't, it shows that all politicians are indeed human. Right?

And so we're just trying to warn us of this fact. And we can never really know what Roger Clinton's warning about because he's always just going, right? He's playing saxophone, right? Right. Roger Clinton built Clinton play saxophone. Yeah, but he did say, was any like, his, him and Sammy Hagar, he's not saying songs. He was like a front man for a man.

No, he's just a liability. Yeah, it's a liability. And then he had a privilege. So then he was able to go on stage with Sammy Hagar. And then you don't kick the president's brother off stage. Nobody wanted to believe him. He didn't say anything accurate. He said absolutely.

He had no message. He had to bottom of the message. He had far made. He did far made. He played Chuck Berry. All right, let's reign. Let's just get back to Mothman Redux. But no matter if the Mothman truly was trying to warn the people of point pleasant about some impending doom may I continue?

Please or if the Mothman was a part of the doom itself The fact stands that the mid 60s Mothman flap is intrinsically linked to the tragic sober bridge collapse of 1967 I be 13 And that's why you know from then on every single time you see them off, man You can bet your bottom dollar friends that 13 months are from the moment. Uh-oh something else is gonna happen Oh, right bridge collapsing is Horrifying yeah, and I've been driving all over California and there's a lot of bridges And if they collapse you fall about a hundred feet and you die and I hate bridges and I'm scared of heights

And I have you want to shut your eyes when you're driving on them, but that'll probably not be good. You really should. You should not. Keep your eyes open. Yeah, you really should. And by the time the Mothman flap came to a head with the bridge collapse, 14 investigator John Kiel had already been on the scene for months interviewing people and studying the

Mothman phenomena. Do you know that he was not there to what he was not there originally to research the Mothman? Why was he a split pleasant? So he was in West Virginia ice cream competition. He was telling and writing the stories, investigating a story about a cat with wings that has woman said that she owned and that when he arrived to see this cat with wings and it had been given to a teenager because it's unfortunately.

Yadi yadi yadi, it's wings had fallen off. And it was just these mounds of gristle that they then had and because then the woman originally had the cat with wings gave it up because now that the cat didn't have wings, she didn't really want a regular cat. What's the point? Yeah, that's literally what he was doing. And then they're like, it's a wathman downtown. He's just like, oh, thank God.

Wow, what a John Gale. What a fantastic life. Oh my God. What a great life John Gale has. Yeah, he goes wherever he's called. I know. It was just amazing because one day, I'm just a normal reporter.

And the next day, I'm in the Mothman business. That's fantastic. And what a business it is. Within the rest of his life was him just bitterly just being like, well, making money off of me. They're all making money off of me. My's wife is lying. Billion dollar Mothman business.

And yet at the same time pissed off of being known as the Mothman guy. Well, because then he couldn't do what a incredibly difficult as a human being. He finally got this long bachelor. He finally got his big check, right? Because Mothman prophecies the movie finally came out near the end of his life, 2002. And he was like, like, so he was like, I was so excited to go to for me, but the next thing I know apparently,

according to Dr. No one knows why I went temporarily blind. He just had gone temporarily blind. You know, we could figure out why. I mean, that's almost again the math. Yeah, that's what he said. He did blame it. Yes. Well, interestingly, Kiel said that he was getting strange phone calls from people claiming

that they were in contact with aliens who were making vague predictions of future events on a national and sometimes worldwide scale. This was in the months leading up to the bridge collapse. Okay. Oh, this is so, this is John Keel. Here's John Keel. Oh, yeah, sir. You've reached the Keel outlines.

Yeah. Well, let me tell you, I could bitch you, you fucking, you fucking, you get to get a train can later. Tell me, yeah, tell me, yeah, tell me, you get to get a train. You just shit. Tell me, I'll find a ferry, that I'm just gonna be just shit. Tell me some of these stuff. I'm gonna be just shit. I'm gonna be just shit. I'm gonna be just shit.

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I'm gonna be just shit. I'm gonna be just shit. I'm gonna be just shit. I'm gonna be just shit. I'm gonna be just shit. I'm gonna be just shit. No, not at all. Then you ended up in a trash can, didn't you? Well, some of these predictions turned out to be true and some of them didn't. For example, one prediction in which the Pope was stabbed, that never came true. So we called them out and said, Pope's going to be fucking stabbed. That never happened. He did get shot. That's what I was going to say. About 14 years later. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. If it was 13 years later, we would have to make it count for numerology.

I beam 13. But okay. But another warning did prove to be true. One caller said that Robert F. Kennedy was due for an assassination and sure enough, RFK was killed the next year in 1968. However, that could have also been a lucky guess because when it came to assassination trends in the mid to late 60s, the odds that Vegas would have been pretty high for RFK. I mean, you know, his brother, his head just did that. You know what I thought it was a suicide. Yeah, it was suicide. But it doesn't feel like if your brother, whose president got like very publicly assassinated,

it does seem to speak. Well, you'd be higher on the list. RFK definitely was higher than the list to be assassinated than like Stephen Ir assassinated. It does seem to speak. Well, you'd be higher on the list. RFK definitely was higher than the list to be assassinated than like Stephen Irkhol. Did you really? Really? He wasn't born yet. I don't know.

He wasn't born yet. But check out that speech that he gave, the speech he gave right before he was shot was amazing. Do you know what? RFK. Well, I'm saying more from the fact that a lot of hope and change people were getting killed in 1960. Oh, yes. You know, it was just 60s was the time of assassination.

And RFK was trying to just change things. So yeah, it's pretty likely going to get shot. And not to derail too much, but there was just some new documents about Malcolm X, the person that shot him. Yeah. And cops were like, is he with us? Yeah. Because who knows was an insideshow.

It was very, all of it was, it's all deeply fucked up. And they were all like, had this CIA was all up inside all of these movements. It was very, all of it was, it's all deeply fucked up and they were all like, had this CIA was all up inside all of these movements. That's bad time. Oh, yeah. Let's get back to goofball list. Let's get back to goofball list. But I will say that book on Charles Manson, the new one that came out chaos and read it

right now. It's fucking great. I am more and more certain that he definitely, I mean, he got acid from MK ultra. We know that. We know that for certain. From a program. But yeah, but you know, but look at Ted Kaczynski. Same thing. He just had a psyche shatter, but who knows? Now we're in, you got me here. Now he's here. Now he's here.

But what's most interesting about these predictions is that at one point, someone called John Keel to tell him that the silver bridge between Kanaga, Ohio and point Pleasant West Virginia was soon going to collapse. Oh no, oh my god, I'm going to get to Kanaga, Ohio now! Now this could be the power of suggestion, but in November of 1967, one of Keel's Mothman witnesses, Mary Hire, she said that she had a nightmare in which people were drowning in the Ohio River, And Christmas packages were ominously floating in the water to surround them.

Do we have any of them? Is the John Keele was just down there nawn on the bridge? Is it possible that it's so rat- Like a rat on this out? He was just like whittled in on it. I will also say it's a fairly poor part of the country, especially at the time, you know, like so the whole thing.

You can kind of see it was probably disarray. And it's very scary. Well, it's also not as poor. It wasn't as poor in 1967 as it is now. Things were much, much worse in West Virginia now than they were back then. Every time I was driving to JFK in New York City, you look under the bridge. You see that and everything is rotted out anytime. You can basically in this country at this time, just say a bridge is going to collapse and you'll be right seven out of 10. Reportedly, Mary was not the only person having these dreams. And as it happened at five o'clock, four PM on December 16th, 1967,

as dozens of cars were stuck on the silver bridge in rush hour holiday traffic, a low metal moan began to emanate from the structure. Oh, no, it's not orgasm. I mean, that moan soon turned into what was described as a metallic scream as the entire bridge twisted counterclockwise in a chain reaction of structural failures. DNA. And 44 people fucking died.

No, this is not fun. But it's like, it's cool. It's it. Well, because the bridge, you can't imagine the good. Okay. It is interesting. Within just a minute, the bridge and every person unlucky enough to be driving over it had fallen into the Ohio River.

Thirty seven cars plunged into the freezing river below. And most of these cars were occupied by holiday travelers carrying, you guessed it. Christmas presents. Oh my god, that is really there's something there that's very creepy. It's haunting, and then you're fucking watching Mothman smoke and cigarette watching all the aiming like, fuck Christmas. Oh, he's like, Melania.

Well, from eyewitness accounts, the scene was madness. Happening that. Both in seeming slow motion and far too fast for anyone to do anything to help. Some of the cars that fell bobbed for just a moment. As if by some miracle, they might float. But like all the rest, those cars sank to the bottom of the Ohio River. 46 people died, either by drowning in the cars when the windows broke and the river waters rushed in or when the wreckage of the bridge itself crushed them underneath.

I just what what's worse? I don't know. I with any with any luck you just pass out on an impact. Well, you just hopefully get crushed instantly. That's my, uh, I would, I would I would hope that upon impact, my head would get knocked on supplement, I'd just go unconscious. Yeah, I mean, I would hope that I would have enough, you know, just rolled on the window and swim out.

I just just choke yourself. Yeah, that's what I do. That's it again, that's it, that's a good rip cord. Well, one thing that I couldn't find, I tried looking for it, like I tried finding any evidence of someone escaping. I couldn't find any I tried looking for it. Like I tried finding any evidence of someone escaping.

I couldn't find any. It happened very, that's what it just exploded. It's also exploded. One of the Ibeams buckled from underneath and the whole thing fell apart, it took a matter of seconds. But I do think that's an interesting description. It's very fast, but also you see it happening all in real time.

Your brain probably slows things down. Well, there's also, you're in your car. Something is happening that you would never expect to bridge your arms collapsing. And so you don't, you probably just don't, you're like, that's a, oh man, bridge moving funny. And then by the time you're rolling, it's already happening. Yeah.

44 of the 46 bodies were eventually recovered over the following weeks, but two were never found. These unfortunate souls had either been crushed completely by the rubble or they had floated down the river after they died. Well, this is again another day, another reminder, don't jog because somebody found those bodies. Nope, no one ever found them.

Okay. No one ever found anything. Could be crocodiles. Are they a crocodile? No, it's winter in Ohio. Yeah, there's no crocodiles. Cold-blooded animals. Large mouth bass.

There's very few, there's far lesser bear attacks than I thought there were before. So, are we talking about some of this cream? Yeah. Fly from North Lame. Now the bridge had not been inspected in 16 years prior to the collapse, which makes it easy to blame the disaster on laziness. But the official explanation was that a defect in an iBar pen only a tenth of an inch deep caused the collapse and that defect was so small that even a seasoned inspector would have

missed it. Well that's reassuring. Yeah, but what if you had an inspector that didn't have any salt or pepper? There you go. He's made in a laboratory. And allowed. Yes indeed. Really the print. The's made in a laboratory. And allowed. Yes indeed. Really the COVID-19 of comedy.

That's me. Taking the world by storm. Well, really the bridge collapsed because its engineers didn't and frankly couldn't foresee how many cars would be using the bridge in the decades to come. And they especially couldn't foresee just how heavy cars would be in the future to come. And they especially could foresee just how heavy cars would be in the future. It's just bad infrastructure, man. Did you spell apart?

Bridge done collapsed. Well, it's not even bad infrastructure. It's just old infrastructure. They just didn't know. No one thought about it. Is there a correlation with McDonald's here? Everyone's got a fat or a fat or a fat or a fat or a... No, it's the cars that are heavy.

The cars themselves. The cars themselves. Between 1928, the year of the Bridges construction, when Model T's were still the fucking kings of the road. And the car will never get more improved than this. How would I ever move faster than when Dancing with Charleston? Between 1928 and 1967, the year of the Bridges collapse, the average weight of a car had doubled.

Think of those massive fucking cars in the 50s and 60s. I just feel like when they made the bridge, you gotta have a little foresight and be like, cars might get heavier. No. And at that point, they don't even know if cars were gonna fucking...

Guys have had. Guys have had, walkins the only way to get anywhere. You don't believe in God, Christ, and South, and President. Yeah. I mean, by 1928, you still had some pretty fast cars. Like, you know, you must have a horse driving anywhere, because one needs a slave to travel. You can't have something.

I can automatically do all without having pain in the eyes. There you go. But they couldn't account for a, you know, like a two and a half ton car. Right. You know, an automobile revolution. Yeah. So the silver bridge, in addition to that,

it had bumper to bumper traffic five days a week. So it had pressure being put on its infrastructure at every second from nine to five a.m. You should see how I've warped my belt. You can't imagine what a bridge would be like. Absolutely. I'm happy we didn't do this episode before. I went to San Francisco because getting into San Francisco's old

made bridges. Yeah, it's just you're on it for like 30 minutes. Oh, yeah. Well, in other words, it was just a matter of time, but the silver bridges collapse set off a flurry of inspections around the country to make sure that something like this didn't happen again. Okay. They all started to think like, Oh, shit, we built a lot of bridges in the 20s. Yeah. It did happen recently with the Minnesota bridge collapse. It was about five or six years ago. Well, it's basically this bridge had no redundancies. Most like, for example, like the Brooklyn bridge,

if one of these beams like snaps, there are six after that. Yeah, make sure that doesn't collapse. This one didn't have any. And then they're Superman. Always Superman. Hey, guys, I'm from a Don't worry. Superman, you coming to fix it.

Superman always does show up right on time. Henry Campbell, why can't you save all the people from the bridge clamps? Well, you don't want to save everybody because that isn't Superman, not needed anymore. You don't want a Superman yourself out of a job, buddy, but he's still saving, he starts to save more people. He's just no, but people also have to die. Otherwise, Superman is just like Superman will save us. He needs to be like, oh,

that's just Superman economy. There was, there was a really fun comic book that did play on that idea that people just stopped taking care of themselves because they figured that Superman would save them or a superhero of some kind. I can't remember what story was. It was a very controversial libertarian Superman. They call me bootstraps, man. But when it comes to our story, several witnesses claim that just before the bridge twisted and fell, the Mothman could be seen near the structure. Oh, man. As I said earlier, there's debate over mothman's role here whether he was a harbinger of doom or an ineffective warning system But what never comes up or at least from what I've read that maybe Mothman

Pistons there wrong place wrong time. Well, he's just on his like nothing to do with it Like I got damn it. I go on fucking vacation. It's beautiful. Yeah. That's beautiful TNT area of point plus in West Virginia. And this shit happens. He just was a sniff box. Yeah. I was trying. This is supposed to be a vacation for my problems. Well, Mark Man probably loves to smell of dynamite in the morning. I mean, yeah, this I like that idea. It was just there. He was just there. It happens. Total coincidence. I also believe that again, time's not real. We are all pancake between a billion various multiverses, right? We're all, and then maybe something like this is a

projection of this sort of like innate knowledge that we have or something is it bad or how you know, it might happen and then maybe add that to like some form of like natural like salt mines. Mothman speaks of the salt mines being underneath the ground with that kind of like amplifies sort of psychic phenomenon. I will say I am happy you didn't give the uology for the 46 people that died. Because I don't know what it really provides a lot of comfort

to those people who are mourning the loss of one. So I know everybody's crying a boohoo a wow-wow, but what I do know, Japan, and it's a, we're just a little marshmallows in the pancake. We just see that little blue dot. Right. In the bus, where they show right here, that's where we are. Doesn't really matter right now. I'm just mourning my mother. She's died. She was a found. She was just bought a fault of Adamson. That doesn't help me.

Let me ask you, how does the argument the time isn't real? How does that help like arguments and win within your marriage? Oh wow, I don't think he let's just say that. Wait, I'm gonna talk about that. There are certain things you say. As soon as he starts, we, for a factor in a fight with as soon as Henry goes to the kitchen starts making pancakes.

Yeah. I know. You're something with these idle hands. And some point towards the fact that quite a few relatives of mouth man witnesses were killed in the bridge collapse along with a few direct eyewitnesses, they pointed at us proof that there may be something the fairy is here. But remember that point pleasant was a relatively small town. So people are going to know people. Yes. People like Linda Scarberry. Yeah. Who would

think, but one of I got a really interesting letterback about how they're, they're like, you know, that Linda Scarberry was super like serious about her sighting. So the mock man because her drug use was so prevalent at the time she would have never have spoken to a police officer voluntarily. I mean, there is a truth to that. Also, you know, letterback, were you writing to Disney adventure? What happened exactly? Every day I go through my pilot's fan letters. People also attached to various shades to the fact that after the Silver Bridge collapse,

the people of Point Pleasant didn't talk all that much about the Mothman. That of course was probably due to the fact that their minds were otherwise occupied with heavier shits. Whatever, but you, uh, the Mothman was just here. In fact, that's probably why Mothman sightings dropped off considerably after the silver bridge collapsed, or at least it's why people stopped reporting sightings. If someone's grieving the death of their wife or child, you don't really want to bring up the moth man. And the whole town knew somebody that died.

Yes, yes, it was a massive tragedy. But they also believe that he moved to Charleston, West Virginia. This is true is that there was moth man sightings outside of moth man with Virginia. Outside of Charleston, moth man sightings outside of Charleston, West Virginia, the Toth. I think there also weird shit about how like, we heard the story about how Mothman, like they saw Mothman.

And then the idea is if you get past your fear of the Mothman, he'll transform into another form, right? Like, so. Like, you be in the beast. And so you see the Mothman first, you're scared, but if you can hold, get hold yourself, like this one guy saw him and then he turned into a golden little boy. And then he turned into a little boy that like like danced in a field and he was just like,

how is that not scarier? Because I'm too good truly. That was terrifying. It was a little boy dancing in a field. I can you, man. Yeah, I'll see. I've got to give you a wrong place, wrong time, as you get handcuffed by the cops. No, no, this was daylight.

It was a black man. It was a black man. It wasn't a boy. That was Bothman's ultimate goal to be the Chris Hanson of cryptids. And some say that the Mothman disappeared after the bridge collapse because it had already done what it needed to do. Yeah, absolutely nothing.

But if you want to get a little deeper on it, if we're talking interdimensional beings and the collective unconscious, it could be that the magnitude of the bridge collapse snapped people out of whatever shared experience they've been having in the year leading up to the disaster. And Poof goes the point pleasant, moth man. Okay. Who knows? I don't know. Who knows? Because I wonder, I don't know whether or not it was the, the, because we've talked about people are trying to put this in kind of a practical place. Yeah.

We talked about with the black bird of Chernobyl, of other people when we did the black plague series where people will talk about seeing cloaked figures, John Keel and all of his books like have, they talk about cloaked, caked that you can also say, looks bird-like. Yeah. Like this type of harbinger of doom has been around people want to put into thing. Oh, here's the ABC of why moth man is here and what happened, but it just seems to kind of all be this weird amalgamation of men and black trained by the CIA, the fucking, you know, natural

fumes from the team. Teab minds. You got fucking moth nands to travel and entity that's like the fucking stole the massage of a big hoot who right absolutely it all comes together doesn't it does it really neatly but either way the silver bridge collapse was that climax to the point pleasant moth man flat but the moth yes indeed if you hear your bridge moaning groaning, like it's your wife on your wedding night, get off of that bridge.

He's taking more weight. That would be my way. It's just a lot of weight, honey. Oh, these must have like lifted myself up with my arms. I thought we were doing more seal loves. Most Christmas. Yeah, let's go pretend I'm a whale and you're the beach. However, the math map was not the only mysterious figure poking around this region of West Virginia in 1966 and 1967. The other character in this story is a supposed alien named Indred Cole.

That's my fucking boy. Okay. I love ancient cold man. Yeah. Now, ancient cold was not the widely experienced phenomenon that the Mothman was. Cold exposure was limited to only a few people, but it mostly focused on one man named Woodrow Darenberger. but it mostly focused on one man named Woodrow Darren burger, Woody to his friends. It's all through the earth. It's all through the earth. It's all through the earth. I love a Darren burger.

I think they're fantastic. Every third one will kill you. That's very good. So you want to eat one if you dare. Well, you recently, and last, as of last episode, you said that the Mothman was the sonic youth of cryptid. So do you say that? Yes, he did.

I actually, I actually got a lot like a lot of pushback. Our friend Joe Gardens sent me a very... Fitch-chronic. Sorry, it's intense. You made Joe Maddy's one of the nicest guys we know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But where would you put injured cold? Oh, wow.

Endred cold. If I were to put injured cold anywhere. Five of you guys know him. Five guys know him. So you know him. It's like a band that you know and you'd be like, have you heard of the turbo fuckers? Yeah, I mean, seriously, I was like, hey buddy, what's going on?

He's like, I've just been listening to Crout Rock all day. He's like, I've heard of that job. I never even heard of it. I didn't hear it. You know what Skull Tap is? I was like, what's that? He's like, you know, itull Tap is? I was like, what's that? He's like, you know, it's whenever one tap dance is on bones.

Yeah, it was the most famous music from 1931 for two weeks in 1931. We pick back up in Germany, 1941. I'm going to say injured cold is the Clara Rockmore, Thereman artist from 1920s. Exactly. No, I knew. So cool that he knew that. I can't believe I knew the name. The collective splash. I've heard from every woman who listens to this show. They were like,

oh, obscure, Thereman player. I'm about to. I discovered Claire Rockmore, a really weird night when I met this woman at Detroit, Rock City. Remember that place in Lower Eastside? Yeah. We went up to her apartment in Harlem. We did a lot of cocaine and just sat there listening to Theorem and music. And then I just went home. Oh, what a great story, Mark.

I'm sure you don't have a son somewhere. No, no, man. It wasn't romantic at all. No, I believe it was. I believe it was. I believe it was. Now, the reason why Indered Cole does sometimes folded into the Mothman story is because Indered's first appearance came just nine days before the Mothman siding at the TNT plant that kicked off the flap. And it occurred just an hour northwest of point pleasant. So on November 2nd, 1966, Woody was driving back to his home and mineral wells, West Virginia,

from a business trip at around 730 p.m. Woody was a traveling salesman and had been out in Ohio selling sewing machines. Oh, he's normal guy. Yeah. But as he was driving down this isolated road, what do you saw strange lights ahead? Now at first he thought he'd run across a police roadblock. So he stopped. Later, it would come out that multiple people had seen those lights that night and all of them had driven right on by as fast as they could because they were really fucking weird. Remember, this is the

meetup to the beginning of the official first Mothman flap. So there's a lot of UFO activity, there's a lot of weird lights, pulled you guys to activity. This is kind of why, well, John Keel was doing the cat with Wings bit. It's also because he was kind of like what he would do, which was kind of makes him both the coolest and loneliest man that's ever lived. Where he just gets,

all he did was follow UFO lights his whole life. Yeah, well, something sad about that. He'd be happy now. But what he did stop and he soon saw that the lights were coming from some sort of aircraft. It was shaped like a kerosene lamp chimney, flaring at the top and narrowing down to a small neck that enlarged to a big bowl at the bottom.

Baby, now we're talking. Yeah, he looks very young. Yes indeed. You know what, you know what, like the candy like, where there's originals that are tied on either side. Yeah, like it's looked like that. No, it's looking like a hot babe. And look like Kerosene lamp.

Yeah, because he just said, so totally different than you. Completely different. Because he's like, you're describing it's like a bow tie. I saw picture. I saw picture. I saw picture describing is like a bow tie. I saw a picture. I saw a picture. I saw a picture. You're describing a bow tie.

I saw a picture in the grocery store. I know what I saw. Yes, indeed. I was thinking about a voluptuous actress with a big old butt. Sure. I was trying to think of one, but none of them have butts. Nah, butts are out right now. I guess.

Well, to what he's great surprise, a figure soon walked out of the ship, but to all appearances this figure seemed to be a normal white guy about six foot tall 185 pounds with dark sick hair and from what he said a very good tan also wouldn't you believe it? He's in need of a sewing machine I feel like you're so he's an affable guy, right? He used to talk to strangers. Yeah. And he says this guy. So he's driving according to, because I listened to it's great. There's a piece of captured audio of Woody Darenberger on a radio show the night, it's like I want to say the night after this thing happened.

So he called his buddy. He was all fucked up saying I saw this thing and he goes straight to fucking, I want to say it was, might have been a television show. A television show. It was all fucked up saying I saw this thing and he goes straight to fucking. I want to say it was might have been a television show. A television show. It was filmed in a video. Yes, and he jumps right to it. I said, oh, listen, the audio of it this way. And it's, it's fresh. And he was saying, so a car was like writing his dick behind him. He's driving. It's car is right. And he was like, what the fuck? The car pulls around him and goes, like, speeds ahead of him. But then he sees his things followed by a fucking UFO.

He watches it, and he hear it and he's like, the only way to describe it. There was some kind of, I don't know if I think the third thing, that I heard of in several newstime magazines. And then he wants you to go pass him, then he wants you to go and it stopped across the road from him. And he stopped his car like after he's going to use this like what the fuck is this thing and then he's

Wash it go like door up here pop out that's crazy. It's very well dressed individual. Yeah, cuz they'll say injured gold Intercoaled like look good. Yeah, look real good. All right. The only thing unsettling about him though is that he wore a large Unmoving grin huge grin. Oh, he kept his hands tucked under his armpits. This strange approximation of human body language was probably meant to be non-threatening, but as it always goes, it had the opposite effect. Yeah, right, it is a horrifying thing because what's he doing down there?

We can't see his hands. I don't like it. Just smiling for no reason. You know, anybody who's not Molly Shannon. Yeah, superstar. Super star. Even more unsettling was the fact that this man did not speak to Woody Verberley, but telepathically.

We also, he asked him. He straight up asked him and said, what would you prefer? Because he went to the side of his car. So he went to the non-passenger window and he's like, oh, it died. You're all down the window. And then it's like grape.

And then the intro cold. I remember. And you're called looked at him. He's like, would you prefer to speak with our minds or with our mouths, which I always a good open. I want to speak with our mouth. A lot of traveling salesmen, I think are used to that. Yeah, maybe because at the time, especially I think that if you were in the LGBT community, it was a lot more done with like a wink and like thumbs up and used to that. Yeah, maybe because at the time, especially, I think that if you were in the LGBT community,

it was a lot more done with like a gwink and like thumbs up and stuff like that. We're like, you don't say you the word. But you just start sucking each other's day assuming because he's a traveling salesman that he has a proclivity for men. I just say that more just like, no, he's like, he's like a new stereotype. He's cool. He's cool. You guys know the fucking traveling salesman or fucking game.

Every time they come or mask, right? Oh, you guys know the fucking traveling salesman or fucking game. There we go. That's not a fucking game. Every time they come or mask, right? They're like, I want to sell them. And then I'm trying to sell this like, good psych lapidia. And then they just like, I know I'm like, naked with this guy in a shower

and we're fucking each other. It's just you. And the thing was also like, why would I need to be in psych lapidia? I have kugel. Well, you know, I mean, you know, I've been recently.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like several days ago. And it's like, yeah, fucking most involved salesman. It's not gay if they're traveling. Well, injured asked, what do you do for a living? And after what he said, I sell sewing machines, the man responded in kind by saying he was simply a surcher

and what he had no reason to be afraid. Nice. Again, very disconcerting way to follow up. So what do you do for a living? Oh, yeah. Oh, you're comedian. That's why I'm a surcher and I need a harm. I know. I'm not sure I'm serious on Monday. I won't harm you. I'm not here. I'm not here. I was seriously searched all day long. Yeah. See my incredible tan. Yeah, not Italian. Oh, weird. Well, obviously what he was frightened, but the man telepathically told him that he meant

Woody no harm again and wished him only happiness. Oh, right. So far so good. Every single time you say it though, it gets less. Yeah, helping. I mean, I'm not really feeling that. No, no, it's just nice. That's what I'm gonna do.

I'm gonna wear your skin. You know, I'm gonna do horrible things to you. And eat your eyeballs. He was just like, I wish you know arm. I'm a good dude. I'm gonna rape you like, I'm a traveling salesman. Right. So he didn't say that. So I feel like overall, I think honestly, it's a little, it's a little bit of alien bigotry.

He's doing nothing wrong. We did. We're, we're, we're, we're, we did with the D. Yes. And Dredd. And Dredd. He's he's he's he did say would he dare and burger was like I felt no like he did put me at ease He just was like he obviously we say he looks human, but his attitude was all together. Alien. So it's just nice He's just nice. Yes. I hear so many conflicting things about this guy about would he dare and burger Almost as if these stories get told over and over again, and the details keep changing every time they're told by a different person.

Erkass. What? In the world of cryptos, et al. Yeah, it's nailed down, not. Well, finally, the man asked, what is your name? And Woody said, I am Woody. Oh, wow. And the man introduced himself with a single word. He said his name was cold. And just like

Woody, he slept and breathed and bled just as humans did. Hey man. Cool. Good. A lot of information. That's cool. You go great. You bleed. Nice. Good to know. And eventually Woody would come to know the man as Indrid Cold. But just as cold began explaining the similarities between himself and Woody, it's not just that we sleep,

then we breathe, then we bleed. There are many things that we share. Woody suddenly found himself parked in front of his home. He walked inside with such a shocked and disturbed look on his face that his wife assumed that he had just had an accident and had killed somebody. There needs to be, you need to put a sock on the doorknob or something if you've done that.

You know what I mean? But no matter what though, he really was affected by this. Well, it's because he said that he pointed towards the intern cold with his elbow pointed towards the city. That was like, I think it was Harrison West Virginia. And he's just like, what is that? He's like, that's called the city. That's Harrison.

He's just like, ah, all right. I am from and Lennie Los, we called that a gathering. Yeah. And then he's just like, well, isn't it similar? All right. Isn't it similar? But you were just a searcher. That's all I do is search, search and look and ponder.

You're looking to decide your clothes. Well, that's no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, They question him for three and a half hours and somehow Woody's story made the local radio and the local TV news I mean somehow what the fuck else is happening This man wants to talk and there's a camera crew ready to listen. This was a very specific time period There's something about this time period where there were a lot of people were they were Extremely interested in this story. I don't know what I really do think it's because of Woody himself because you really regular guy. He really was. He's just like Jay Leno. Yeah, he's just a regular guy. He's just hot rod magazines. He sits right there. He brings him remote. Yeah. Now, if you're a skeptic, you might say that Woody Daringberger's story of a man and a UFO airing just days before the first Mothman sighting, you might say that prime the people

of this region, West Virginia, for paranormal experiences, hence the mothman and everything that came after. Additionally, when you get into Woody Daringberger's further adventures with injured cold, it is frankly very silly. It's come by planets full of hot nude people, hidden civilizations on Saturn, moving walkwaysways. Everyone. Fantastic. I mean, you tell me that we, I just had a fantastic conversation with my Uber driver yesterday about space babes. And we all agree.

These chicks might be hot. Come from space. I, we don't know. I, I, I, I want to see you. But then if I'm supposed to find pizza sexy, uh, gummy, but, well, also, we were also thinking if they are squid like wool, eat them. Oh, yeah, but pervert. Also, we were also thinking if they are squid like, we'll eat them. Oh, yeah, for a while. And then we'll fuck them. Made well, we'll see. We'll see. If they're squid like you think we'd eat them.

Calamari. I think so. I actually do. Yeah. I definitely think we don't like calamari, right? I love calamari. Add some barbecued squid the other day that was delicious. Oh, then you write, you'd be right there. It's very possible. We might just eat these aliens. It's wrong. Yeah. We got to ask these questions first, non-human biologic. Exactly. But I was reading the visitors.

It's an alien. It is. But the Woodrow, Dan Berger wrote visitors from Lannulus, but he also had, which is a great book that does outline all of these various adventures with Intred Cold. But then there is some tale, some, when I have her tale, it was, was that what he was felt that his co-writer exaggerated a lot of his stories. I am. Well, it's interesting. It's great. It's in the terms of like the hall of high strangeness. It's a great book. Yeah. Intred Cold actually does not have a lot to do with Mothman at all. What were we doing in Mothman here?

That's what we talked about. Because we did have pages of pages about the adventures from Lannulose. I wrote, I seriously wrote like four pages of Lannulose stuff and then realized about two hours ago, we don't need to talk about any of this. This isn't Mothman at all. But we'll get to my goals to do a Rogues gallery, like a suicide squad of ultra-trustials. Because there's been a lot of these side characters throughout all of this, so we'll cover.

Well, it's basically getting injured cold out of the way, because injured cold was in the movie, the Mathman Prophecy. So you got to be getting injured cold. Yeah, he's super cool. He's a really cool part of the movie. The injured cold just sounds cool. It sounds mysterious.

It's got to tell him a little corner in the Mothman Museum and Point Pleasant. Well, guess we joke around a lot here. Sure. But at the time, I always wanted to kind of like stress that Mothman is very frightening to everybody. Yeah. And in this time period, there was a very,

there was like a high suspense, like level, like people, which is probably to speak to what you're saying that up like primed people to see Mothman. But there really was like, there was something in the air that was very, very strange. And there's, you know, what John Keill calls these like window areas, which he believes, like he has a whole list of these various areas. I forgot which book of books. These are just in like peeping.

Is it? No, no. No. But he has a whole thing where he like this is a spot in the world where if something we either crack something open while we're mining like if you want to get super like it's a number one, both dumb and practical like the idea that we crack something open while we were mining and then we opened up some weird hole to another dimension and that these window areas kind of open and

shut every once in a while and sometimes the the window gapes enough to let in a big ol cryptid and sometimes it just like far too ghosts and stuff like that. Or as moth man, a god damn God damn daredectal. Like, we just don't know. We just don't know. I wonder if there's any sort of correlation between the rise and UAP sightings and fracking. No, I dare must be. I can be wrong, T. No, that's what happens. He's giving a guarantee. Cracking something open.

I just think we'll see. We'll see. We'll, we better just keep on doing it until we find out. That's the only way. We'll just keep on doing it until we find out. Have the only way. Let's keep on doing it until we find out. How horrible it is. Why from North Wave?

But if you're a believer in the 40-year-old, you could say that at the very least, Woody's initial encounter with injured cold was genuine. And therefore, the beginning of the overall 1967 flap. If he did have this experience with this alien, yes, he has carte blanche to exaggerate. Oh, yes, yes. And speaking of flaps, point pleasant is by no means

the only place in America that has been plagued with moth man sightings. No, man, moth man's back, dude, in a big fucking way. And we've been covering it on side stories for fucking years now. Yes, indeed. Since 2017, Chicago, Illinois, and the surrounding areas have been host to a Mothman flap all their own. Yeah, just like the sightings and point pleasant. The Mothman

of Chicago is described as a seven foot tall being with 10 foot wide wings and red eyes. And just like the point pleasant cases, this Mothman shoots straight up into the air when it feels like it. They better get this guy on the Chicago Bulls. He sounds like he'd be a great ball player. I don't know. I think that when he'd come down, he's like, he'd understand that he has a high price point. I don't really do what he shoes because his fear claws.

I don't know how he gets it and mess up the court. I guess Puma could help. Puma. I think Puma couldn't have had a big star attached to them in a long time. No, I got the mellows. Oh, is he with them? I didn't know that.

I don't know who that car is. Carmel or anything. Yeah, but I know the shoes. I look at them a little mellow. That's a whole nother. I think it's a little mellow. Oh, okay. Who's that?

He's the one with the big baller brand. His father was the one that everyone's like, always a super aggressive father is pushing his kids to hard, but it turns out all three of his kids made it to the NBA. So technically he was correct. Yeah, I don't know if he good dad. I think he was, but he took, yeah, you know, but it turns out all three of his kids made it to the NBA. So technically he was correct. Yeah. I don't know if it good dad. I think he was, but he took, yeah, you know, he was. You know, we say capital G great man. And we stole from Dan Carter.

I would put in the capital D dad. You know, I mean, where you just, it's a father. It was a lot of father. A lot of father. It was a lot of pressure. But everything's to work out. Yeah. More of, I would actually say he was a really good boss.

Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't want him to be my dad, but I don't want my dad to be my dad. That's all life. That's called having a dad. Well, during the largest flap between March and July of 2017, dozens of people saw creatures

that either were definite moth men, resembled the moth man, or at the very least had all the features of a flying creature that was simply too large. It's moth man. People, again, big hits. had all the features of a flying creature that was simply too large. It's Markman. People, again, big hits. Everybody's been talking about this idea of,

like this concept of a, this sort of, the Geruda. What's the Geruda? The Geruda is a symbolic giant bird, the thunderbird. And Geruda is a, it's a, it's a certain Native American communities. They don't even want you talking about the Thunderbird because it's so important to itself. But this is, people have been seeing this type of shit for a very long time.

But now we have the lexicon for it. We're really bullying it all. Mothmen. So it's a like all mothmen are big hoots, but not all big hoots are mothmen. I really wish you took this approach to society as a whole. It's amazing. You can't be so open minded. Hey, that's me.

Well, some people say that during the Chicago flap that they saw massive bats with red eyes circling the skies, while others said the creature was la le chute, the terrifying barn owl with a woman's head that sits on the edge of your bed and screams that you all night and she locks you in your trunk forever if you lie. Yeah, well triggered something. That was absolutely my most terrifying childhood memory.

What? The Latusa. Why? He had the Latusa. He had the goblin. Yeah. He said, you had to go kill that fucking. What was it? A barn? When you see a Latusa, he had the Goblin. Yeah. You bet you're gonna go kill that fucking, what was it?

A marna. When you see La Chusa, I didn't see it. I was just told about it over and over again. I grew up in a community that was largely Mexican immigrants. So La Chusa was a very big thing that you would tell children, like if you lie, this bird with the head of a woman is going to come and she's going to sit in the edge of your bed. She's going to scream at you all night and scream at you and scream at you.

And then finally, she's gonna lock you in a trunk and you're gonna die in there. So don't lie. I take an analogy from marriage. It's really important to honor women. Wow. True. Absolutely. I heard about Barbie.

I haven't seen it yet, but I read a plot description on Wikipedia. Cool. Don't ruin it for yourself. Yeah. But what almost everyone described when coming across one of these flying creatures, whether it be Mothman, Giant Bad, or terrifying Owl woman, everyone felt a feeling of dread and foreboding, as if something terrible was about to happen. But what's most interesting about the Chicago Mothman is that it seems like the most involved stories occurred in and

around Chicago's Oh Hare Airport, which is one of the busiest in the world. Oh, yes. And there's been a couple of these we dealt with this quite often during 2020, the idea of this jetpack man that was seen outside of the LAX a week. No one identified there was also. Do you remember there was some reports that they speculated about some due speculated that's it. And then same thing. Do you remember the drones that were happening in 2021, the swarms of drones and no one under, no one claimed there was no private company.

It's like these like, the US government said it wasn't them. They went investigated and they couldn't find out where these drones were coming from. They went lie. No, it's not. Nothing you'd find it. You're a Biden.

Oh, Joe. Joe did you a Biden? Joe. Well, from the stories we're about to get into, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, side of O'Hare when he saw what he thought at first was a seven foot tall bird just beyond a perimeter fence, just two street lamps away. And I thought that was the most beautiful lot lizards I've ever seen. I gotta say that bird should be on the Chicago Bulls. Shut the fudge shut the front door.

Well, he said that it looked like a person with wings that were stretched out and flattened. And that's the interesting thing about the Chicago Mothman is that in the old Mothman days, the wings never flapped, just sort of shut straight up. There's a lot of flapping in this flap. More flapping. Maybe it's getting more comfortable. I actually kind of wonder about like, okay, I'm sober, but come with me on this. Sure.

All right. Pixels. So as pixelated wings. With cameras, right? As we go. Like cameras got more pixels. You can take more detailed photos. You can zoom in more.

You can do the information. There's more information in the photos, right? As we have been trained or brain to be trained by the internet for capacity for information, we have so much more information flooding in at all times now. We've on very aspects of screens, everywhere you go, there's information. And maybe it's almost in a way it's expanded the sort of rendering quality of our minds. You think that people have gotten smarter? No, I'm just more complicated. That's what Terrence McKenna talks about this concept of novelty and that we're moving towards a more complicated future.

It's not better. It's, it's busier. It's more, we more access to information that shapes our perspective. Well, why do you have to go and make things so complicated? I guess I must be Avril Lavigne. Yes, indeed. Love with the skater, boy. But I could see that as well.

We get more use to the moth man and maybe the moth man unfurls his wings now that he's more cozy with us people. No, the more we can just understand these things, the more that we've seen. Yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about the information overload. You're fucking t-shirt is covered in information. You have hot types. He's wearing today. I have five phones. Please don't. They actually will think you're CIA. I do five calls and watts. Yeah. Well, that's really, but really pretty sometimes I put phones together and have them all talk to me. That is kind of funny when people do that as a gag. Well, the trucker said that it looked like a person

with wings that were stretched out of flapping. And after the creature walked away from the fence, they walked, yeah, the creature began to flap at wings before disappearing into the sky. Okay. Yeah, no penguin waddle here. No, there are some discrepancies here when it comes to the moth man. The trucker said the creature's wings were six feet across,

not ten. Well, how do you really know? He's in the cab all the time. He hasn't know how big things are. I mean, I trust a trucker, but he's not going to be knowing. Well, then again, they do know a lot about space. Yeah, they do. I mean, well, they know a lot about eyeballing. She said that he knew the creature was seven feet tall because the fence that it was standing next to was eight feet tall. So he said there was about a foot there. So he could, you know, he could extrapolate. Gotcha. And instead of being gray or flesh color, the creature was black.

And he never saw the telltale red eyes of the moth man because it never faced him. Okay. The next report, however, just a couple of weeks later, also near O'Hare was far more moth man like at around 10 p.m. a man named Daniel said he was heading to a bar near O'Hare to have some drinks with a few friends. Nothing more fun than an airport bar. You could see the captains before they fly the next day. You're like, I hope I'm not on your flight.

Yeah. As he was driving, he said that he saw a seven-foot tall creature with wings sporting the glowing red eyes of the Mothman. Again, it was standing next to a fence. All of these stories involve a fence somehow. It was, it's over here. Well, but I also remember the first time the Mothman was seen, he was cut on a fence. Maybe he likes fences. Yeah.

And just like, he likes to eat fences. Yeah, he's a Mothman. Yeah. Yeah, fences. Yeah. And just like, he likes to eat fences. Yeah, he's a moth man. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Wow. Maybe. Tell me, Mr. Mothman, can you even have a winter coat? But just like all the other witnesses, Daniel said he felt an evil presence.

Evil. And on it went for the next two years with more and more people reporting sightings of Mothman like creatures near or at O'Hare. And it wasn't just around O'Hare. I mean, it's dozens of people all across the Chicago area, a lot around like Michigan. I mean, it's dozens upon dozens of people. And it's security was paying attention. This is real.

And the part of the reason why now I know, like it is interesting. We're part of what came out of this little hearing that was at the, we, with David Cresher, you know, I think it's a pontificating. Come on. But they basically, there is so much weird activity that it is now a part of the debriefs for pilots as they go out. So they are taking it. They take it seriously enough that they are saying that they, they almost

run into these weird cubes with fears inside of them or the opposite. They've been running into these weird shit so often that they have to like say, Hey, just so you know, watch out for this stuff. And to really prove the point they take off their undies for the debrief and they show the shit that they actually had when they saw this cube and that means it's validated. I'm a surcharge indeed. I would take a dump. Yeah. So I'm off man. I should. Yeah, sure. I might pass. I'd be scared. I'd probably like, well, what do what? What do you think, Mr. Mothman? Yeah. Does anyone ask anything? Yeah. No, most people are too afraid to say anything.

Well, you got a fucking wait for the fear to pass and then it turns into a little golden boy and then you get arrested and then you got to deal with it. I'm like, I was a man. Yes indeed. When July of 2021, three people were getting off work from the United Airlines cargo facility and were walking towards their cars when they saw something moving about 25 yards away on the other side of a security fence. Okay. All three of them pointed out the figure. They all saw that something was there, but quite

suddenly a white SUV came screaming onto the scene, flashing emergency lights. And when two men jumped out and shine their flashlights on the figure, it turned around. Again, it was seven feet tall. It was a dark shade of gray and it had two large glowing red eyes seemingly sitting atop the creature's shoulders. Maybe it just loves aviation. Can we get it a job? You're talking about like a guy who used to steal the buses and the trains. Seriously, the train guy from New York. Yeah. There's a dock on that guy. Yeah. About 10 seconds after the first vehicle arrived arrived another pulled up and shined its headlights directly on the creature Giving no witnesses even better view

Possibly startled the creature then opened up a pair of 10 foot long Membraneous bat wings and flew straight up into the air letting out a loud screech that sounded like train brakes straight up into the air, letting out a loud screech that sounded like train breaks. Like, you know that sound like that? Yeah, for, oh, I know very well. I can't tell you how many times I've heard it. I keep on laying down in front of the tracks or opening the runs all over me. It's my favorite sound. Yeah, it's moving out of the way, because we're not killing you today.

Oh, god dang it. Storerun the E-I-E-E-R. Every time. Yep, I remember that as it. Stora the E. I. E. Every time. Yep. I remember that as well. That's the J train. Oh, wow. Yeah. Actually now you say that. Well, yeah, they didn't really grease the wheels too often. Nah, the every once in a while they just they throw a whole moscow in there just to get the blood in there to keep all they can be surprised. When just a sudden is the creature flew off a TSA truck pulled up to the spot where the witnesses stood and told them to leave the area immediately.

Someone had made a call. These people did as they were told. And as they drove away, more cars, both marked and unmarked began to gather around the spot where the Oh hair moth man had taken off. You know, a lot of airports too. They have teams that go out and they have to knock all the birds off the runway. Yeah. So actually, I feel like it's kind of, it was almost practical.

Yeah. Like a bunch of guys with brooms getting the moth man out of here. They're like, I'm trying to show you something like that. YoTL, a Gmail.com. Let me know because I know that they do a thing. They do get, they do something with the birds. No, they got, they have little poppers that make noises like guns. Go, what? And then also the gas, they're real they have little poppers that make noises like guns.

Go, what? And then also the gas, they're real. They gas them too. They gas them too. Everyone's while they do gas. Well, it's Canadian geese. Is that real? I get Canadian geese are vermin.

Are you just saying things? No. Remember after Sully's playing, got taken down the children's thousands of glass there for that revenge. Well, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. No, they have these little poppers that just go, Pat and it sounds like a gun and all the birds fly off really? Yeah

Learn something new over there. I guess there's some fucking horseshit you can learn But while almost every story we've told so far has the mothman either fleeing the area Immediately in the first episode chasing people in cars. There was one story in March of last year that showed a more curious side to the month. Okay, it's kind of sales month. Indeed. According to a witness at the scene, she and a guy were out driving around outside of Oh, hair just cruising.

You know, one of fun things cruising, getting to know each other. Oh, oh man. Yeah, honestly, it's great. It sounds nice. It totally sounds nice. You want to drive around outside of an airport? Well, no, you need to get oh man. Yeah, honestly, it's something. It's great. It sounds nice. It totally sounds nice. You want to drive around outside of an airport? Well, no, you need to get in the area outside of the airport.

Yeah. I mean, I do need to get in. Technically, I think Kisal is correct. That is miserable. But if you were, let's say you like playing, if the clock, you're 14, you like playing, let's go on a date. Let's get out there. If the conversation is nice and the music is good, you can drive anywhere anywhere, anywhere.

And you know, especially if you're a new girlfriend, yeah. Yeah, she loves to. She's great. She loves birds, no, no, man's in the air. Especially at one point when you say, hey, why don't we park, light up a joint? Because we have a house. Because we have houses. No, no, no, be listen, no, we can go over the airport and I can pay $20 a full night for us to park.

Yeah. All right. Well, one point they parked, let it join. And they got a little friendly, you know what I mean? Hong Kong. Squeeze, squeeze, fuck, fuck. Yeah, I know. One thing led to another and a couple were soon in the back seat of the car.

Checking out the seat belts. Yes indeed, making sure they don't work. But even amidst the passion, the woman noticed that something had bumped in the side of the car. So, how what could ever interrupt this romantic Chicago evening? It's a bump, something big. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Is that the jar, the, the, the, Wow. It's like a big Fetcher guy out there. Yeah, there you go. You guys want to be. Yeah, that's, it got go guy out there. Yeah, there you go. You guys want some meat.

Yeah, that's it sounds like the chicks get in the deep dish right now. It's at that point that the guy she was with, he started screaming, what the fuck over and over and over. I told you I was 14 early. Oh my God. All right. Enough. The woman sat up and saw a pair of bright glowing red eyes and a big black body bending over and peering through the driver's side window into the back seat. Oh my God, that bird should play, but the shit. Boss, really creative, creative stuff there. That's great.

So he was watching people make love. He was watching people. Perhaps learning. Perhaps both of them started screaming, but the creature just kept on looking. Well, there you go. But finally, it did disappear straight up into the sky. This is bored of it enough. You guys are bad at fucking.

It's weird. Interestingly, the couple's car was surrounded by security guards just after the creature took off. They were, they were, they were dicking in the fucking secret feet in the, the security. There's security around airports. So that would maybe that would make sense. But it's a coincidence. Is it a fucking they're not

Alcada, but is it a good? Is it? No, what's next? But is it a coincidence that they showed up just as the creature took off? Is it a coincidence? No, it's not. It's no, it is.

It is. Is it? What's the answer? Yeah, it is. What a coincidence. Well, after questioning the couple who were still in various stages of undress, the security guards told them to put on their clothes and get the hell out of there. Okay. Now, from the woman's recollection, the creature was tall and thinly built. Yet, it still reminded her of an owl, a tall, thin owl. Okay. Well, importantly though, she said it seemed as if it's eyes were set into the creature's shoulders, making it like so many other moth men.

Hmm. Essentially headless. People don't like things with no heads. They hate it. It also would be leaning down to take a look at the window, right? Man, it's so pretty. It's so pretty. Yeah, so pretty. I was just in Art Bell, talk to John Keel, and he's just so much funnier than I've been

like listening to Art Bell after listening to George Norris, just so fucking sad, you know, because art bell, but that was his whole thing where he's been like, red eyes, get stand up, stop telling me about these red eyes, I hate them, scares the hell out of me. Of course, no disasters have been falling. Oh, hair in the years since the Chicago, Mothman began showing up. And he's haunted one of the world's largest airports for years longer than he was ever in point pleasant. Henry and I got stuck there for a whole day and then the next day when I went to go to get a dump, it was a disaster. Oh, yeah. Holy hell. I was those nachos. Oh, with Polpork nach man. I can't tell you with the death. It smelled like a then a Tony award winning actor came in the bathroom right after me and was really upset.

I still hold that as like a point of pride that like I kept telling you guys like you better leave early or you're going to miss your flight. That was a security day. That was a security. Yeah, because that's why you leave early is because he pays a security thing. I never miss a flight. I never miss lights. I'm like that. I'm dumb.

I just like that. I'm dumb. I should. I'm sitting incredible. There's a place. Oh, that's amazing, right? So no disasters at all here. Nothing bad happening. No playing crashes. Nothing. No, that you're going to say. Nothing, nothing of note. I get the Chicago Bulls have seriously fallen. They're not as good as I used to be they are true But that is really nothing to do with it So it very well could be argued that while the mothman failed to save those at the silver bridge Oh so many years ago He may indeed be a sort of guardian for the thousands that fly in and out of Chicago

Every day. Well, that doesn't make you feel comfortable that I don't know what else will I do think that it's who knows who does I think the moth man is still out there. We're seeing him all the time. I want to her if it's just way more. He's kind of slip into more of straight up cryptid territory versus the John Keel moth man that is kind of wrapped in this whole UFO, men and black aspect because we haven't heard from men and black and quite a bit. We really haven't but I do I do I do I put the mothman definitely in more of the John Keele world.

I do not put mothman in cryptotary at all. At this point, I don't either. I do believe he is more psychic than he is. So he's not a cryptid. No, I do not believe, I do not put mothman in the cryptotary because if you do put it in the cryptotary, we're talking more a biological entity. Yes. I do not know if the Mothman is a biological entity.

We started this series last week where you ranked to the five cryptids. Yeah. And you made Mothman a cryptid. You see, this is now over. So now you're changing, you're ruminating upon the subject. Because you remember we're a cup of copper, big foot mothman, but you did say it was a cryptid. But now you're saying it's not. He said the thing right at the top.

If it was a crypt, but now you look on it and now we can actually talk about it. Mm-hmm. How we feel about it. Wow, it's just so strange. Are you on a beach? Cause it seems as if you have a flip flop. Sure. It's a crypt.

Who gives a shit? It's a Marcus. It's a Marcus. Flip Flop. I get it. Cause more. I Flipp Flop. I get, cause more, I just, I love the story.

I can't wait to do more. We got flatwoods monster. We're going to do again all separate, even though it's probably a moth man. I would say go and look at the moth man, speak spandry, Colvin. If you want to know just,

I just want to say you buy it. So you can see what I put, our researcher Joel through. Yeah. Yeah. He had to read this thing and comb through this thing and understand like how World War three Nazi Germany Russia fucking on Farber Big Farbos and then that they the IG Farber IG Farber.

That's going to start happening. Oh, buddy. All right. And about this guy who built a shrine because he built a shrine to the Mothman and then saw it and the Mothman showed him that 9-11 was gonna happen and then Mothman was at 9-11. I've got the documents. I can show you the picture that you just got

to the Mothman at 9-11. Again, doing nothing. Right. Not stopping anything. Not stopping, but not necessarily supporting. Yeah, you guys did. And I'm gonna go ahead and say, injured cold after thinking about it more. More the Brian Eno of cryptids. Wow. I have a Brian Eno of aliens. Yeah. I know that is.

But Brian Eno during his ambient phase. Don't know about that phase. Yeah. Airport music. Music for airports. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know that album. All right everyone. Thank you so much for listening. We hope you're smarter, Dumber. And then you come out basically the same. We got some fun shit next week. We also have a another series that a little bit more true crime and needs them blood in there. Oh, yeah.

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