Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 546: John Holmes and the Wonderland Murders Part II - Four on the Floor

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

Henry & Marcus are joined by Ed Larson of The Brighter Side podcast for the latter half of the John Holmes story, picking back up with John's unhinged, freebasing drug dealer Eddie Nash, John's fall from glory, and how the once heralded adult film star's poor choices and selfish actions lead to the gruesome (and technically unsolved) murders of 4 people in 1981.

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this happen or you feel like I had a horrible dream where I watched my father kill a man. Right? It is very easy. Right? Fun. Good way to start. It seemed good at a bed. Daddy, you're doing so well. But you know, like when you wake up and you're like just think, Christ, that's not real. I think Christ, that was just an anxiety-ridden scenario, my brain. Everything immersed me. Yeah. And it's nice to read this script.

And it's one of those where like, thank Christ. None of these are me. Absolutely not. None of them are any of us. Welcome to the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zabraski and sitting in for a big kiss. We got Ed Larson.

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But they looked like humans. They looked like us. I'm going around with my friend, Ducci. Sure, sure. And we're going around. We're trying to find out who's an alien. Who's not. We go to our mom's house. She's acting all weird. We shoot her in the head. She bleeds red. She's fucking fresh. And that we got in jail. I'm like, thank God. I'm so glad he's on the show just to remind you. Mr. Kessel is taking some time away from the show to take care of his mental and physical health and we got why we got. Oh, bear.

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How dare you come at our street. So this episode we are on to John Holmes and the Wonderland murders part two dose. So when we last left John Holmes, his free base cocaine addiction had reached legendary heights. I feel like it doesn't take much to get to legendary heights when you're doing free basin go. Well, he taught his penis how to use a lighter. Yeah, it's like we look no hands. As a result, he got himself caught up in the drug dealing game as a delivery boy for a group of murderous heroin addicts called the Wonderland gang.

So named because they lived at 87 63 Wonderland Avenue. I actually drove up there a couple of nights ago. The house is demolished. Oh, is it? Completely replaced. It's been re-done. It's because honestly, it was a dog shit house. Did it get dirty?

Because that was obviously one of the worst parts. I mean, when I was watching the crime scene walkthrough, I watched the, like, you know, when they show all the bodies, one of the worst things of the whole thing was the fixtures in the home. I was just like, bad molding. Where is JoJo here? Where is Magnolia Farms in this? It's a very creepy narrow street to drive up there to Wonderland Avenue right off a

Laurel Canyon. It's up in the windy Hollywood hills that even felt strange. Like I know that it's now very, very nice and very posh, but you still feel this like creeping sensation like something bad can happen up here. It's also just weird because it's a bunch of mansions and shit and it's just like this creepy apartment building in the middle of all of that. It's very strange. Have you ever spent time in Mo'Holand Drive at night? You should go. I did a whole day of the lynched

like experience to myself. You should try it. It's freaky. I actually like driving around the Hollywood Hills alone at night. Oh, yeah. Don't walk. No, don't walk.

But the Wonderland gang wasn't John's only source for cocaine. He also fed his addiction through a lunatic nightclub owner and hard drugs dealer named Eddie Nash, who was again brilliantly and by all accounts perfectly interpreted by Alfred Melina in Boogie Knights. Eddie Nash is a murder fist character come to life. You know, I can't, you know, we, we cover so many different stories within true crime. And you know, like one of my favorite things is like that hidden kind of characters and all of the Misha gosh.

And Eddie Nash is one of my favorites of all of them. Because strangely, his son of an immigrant, he's an immigrant himself. He's out here working hard. And a lot of this is really about him expressing the American dream. Now Eddie was a Palestinian immigrant whose real name was Adele Garib Nasrallah and he'd arrived in Los Angeles in 1951 at the age of 22. As many do, he tried his hand at acting, but earned only a small role on a TV Western called the Cisco kid that had very few gunfights,

but lots of bullets. Hey, come here, fucker. Come here, fucker. Come here, fucker. Look at that screen. I don't fucking understand. Why am I over here and I'm small in there? Why the fuck?

Why the living fuck am I over here and I'm this side, but I'm small over there? Well, you're like this Henry, as a consequence of his time on the Cisco kid, which was very whip heavy because it was a show for kids. Eddie Nash himself developed his own obsession with whips. Fuck it. You got a train. Yeah, it's the only weapon you could bring to your mother's house and she thinks it's a belt. But after Eddie's acting career peered out, he opened a wildly popular hot dog stand on Hollywood Boulevard called beef's Chuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, straight into the hot dog stand on Hollywood Boulevard called Beefs Chuck. Yeah. Yeah.

Straight into the hot dog business. Oh my God. Do you think he put beef on top of the hot dogs? No, I don't know why he called it beefs Chuck. Yeah, like maybe just a ground beef on top, like chili, maybe chili dogs. I just got to put beef in the name of the fucking restaurant. I think this is some kind of turkey fucking bullshit.

Because I also think that hot dogs, would you say health wise? I think hot dogs dude just about the same amount of damage It's okay I think so it's like he started in the elicit substance in like industry and now he really graduate I just fucking I mentioned hot dogs once to the two of you and immediately goes to hot dogs once to the two of you and immediately goes to, hmm, you know, immediately goes, you guys just fucking fantasizing about hot dogs. I had a hot dog at the movie theater. Yeah, last night.

Disgusting. That's actually quite disgusting. You know what I've also realized when people talk about yeah, I call themari, they're all like, you know, actually a lot of times it's like, Pig asshole. Sure. I, what if it just turns out we as a country,

whoof, Pig asshole. That's just what it is. We just like it. Yeah. That's a lot of pig assholes. I can't I've consumed an entire bag of frozen calamari before. Yeah, but what about the what it's got the little legs? I love all of it. What's that?

That's the only one that's not a big asshole. No, that's I can't say that's like that's like the bottom of a pig's fucking. That's how you know it's real. If it's got no tiny legs, that's how you know it's pig assholes. Yes. By the mid seventies, and Dell, Miss Rala had become Eddie Nash and he'd made enough on hot dogs and various other murky sources that he started buying real estate across Los Angeles.

And he soon turned that real estate into a string of nightclubs that catered to all types. Got a fucking disco. I've got a roller bakery. It's fucking incredible. Eddie had a strip club called the Kit Kat, a bus stop joint across the street from man's Chinese theater named the seven seas. The first gay club in LA to allow same sex dancing and a jazz club. So he's so awesome.

He climbed his way into being woke. Yeah. Like he somehow understood that he saw the gap and he shot it. He did. And he also, it's just interesting because now we, when we've covered other serial killers, especially that are in like homosexual communities to go out to the, like it's this part of like having to keep everything under the guise of literally a mobster had to own it or to be open is part of the reason why a lot of those crimes happened and they were under prosecuted. Yeah, but interestingly Eddie also owned a club

on Santa Monica Boulevard that is incredibly important to the Los Angeles punk scene and the hair metal craze of the 80s. This menu was called the Starwood and it also operated as a Kueludipo. Yeah, that makes sense. Man, welcome. Should the depot. Yeah, it's an away from home depot. I can't. Yeah, Kueludipo is, I can sound incredible.

I do know that we like, we couldn't find him't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat.

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I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. I can't eat. and the circle jerks. This was also where Quiet Riot, Motley Crew, and Van Halen got their start. That's crazy. So this is like your hot dog stand. Really is. Yeah. We actually hit, well, yeah, listen to our series and the screamers on No Dogs in Space. We go fully into the Starwood and like all the weird shit that happened

at that place. Now that they have an acoustic album? The Screamers. No! They actually have no album at all. They're the most legendary band to never record an album. They always have his demos and live performances. It's actually one of the greatest tragedies of a 20th century music that no screamers album exists. That's such a Marcus music opinion that he loves music that does not exist. So hipster literally does not materially exist. It exists.

It exists in the form of demos and they did a couple of videos, but it does, they never went into the studio and recorded an album. It's like, my favorite cryptid is Black Santa. Where is he? album. It's like my favorite cryptid is Black Santa. But perhaps because the Starwood was the least respectable of Eddie's clubs, he used it to sell Kweloods by hiding in plain sight. See when cops drove by the Starwood and saw people lining up at the box office, they assumed that they were just lining up to buy concert tickets. It's fucking genius. It's really, it's really smart. It's really fucking smart.

The kids were lining up to buy loads out of a cash box that held thousands of pills. God damn. All out in the open. How did this place stay open? Because we'll find out why. Yeah. Well, it's because the cops didn't really look

into the star wood all that closely because as one cop put it, the relationship between the LAPD and Eddie Nash was quote unquote never in Paganistic it was never antagonistic They didn't say it was good they didn't say it was bad They just said it was never in tag and this is during a time period of nothing were not Continuing to be but if high corruption in the LAPD The LAPD has been has been's been, could be thoroughly, you

know, we've, he comes up quite a bit on our show. Yes. They seem to be, they're not great all the time. Again, police officers, again, I will talk with an NWPD cop before I talk before I fuck with an LAPD cop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll leave you out in the middle of nowhere.

There's so many places to leave you here. Oh, yeah. So that means all the space to take 45 minutes from here is inhabitable desert. By the early 70s, Eddie Nash was considered by some to be a sort of godfather of Hollywood. And by the time John Holmes came around, Nash was rumored to have connections to both politicians and the police force, possibly because he allegedly had important people on his side, Eddie Nash could be reckless and therefore absolutely terrifying. Yeah, he's fucking, uh, he's, how do you put it? He's a bit much. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot extra. Yeah, extra.

Besides owning the clubs, Nash was also a major Coke and heroin dealer who got high on his own supply. Nash free base two to three ounces of cocaine every day. I really though, like, that's a lot. That's like, you know, it's like a cupcake's worth of flour. Well, that's a thing with an ounce of cocaine, you get like four hits of free base off that. That's crazy. It's not, it's not much at all. Okay're just fucking, you're cooking it down to a crystal.

Then when you cook that crystal, it's fucking poof. Like as I said in the last episode, it's the least cost effective way to do cocaine. Yes. Very willy-nilly. It's very willy-nilly. It's very unsustainable. Mm-hmm. And you would sometimes mix the high with heroin to take the edge off because free base cocaine is

pretty fucking intense. But perhaps because Eddie often left himself so vulnerable in a state of intoxication, he was never seen without his bodyguard, Gregory Diles. He really any gnash is such a funny character because in many ways, yeah, total un unrepented, mobster, drug dealer, crazy person, murder probably. We'll get to all that. I mean, who knows, at least director of murder, but he also was like, he really needed his friends. He was just this guy who loved his friends and he loved everybody in this other perverse, really crazy way.

And I think it's probably because if you look at, I did not understand the free basing. It only lasts for like 20 to 30 minutes at a time. Yeah. And so like, he's going up and down. He had to do heroin in order to go to the bank. Yeah. Well, his bodyguard, Gregory Diles, he was a 300 pound karate expert convicted fellow. Yeah, man. Who won? He once chased a man out of one of Nash's clubs at 2.30 in the afternoon across six lanes of traffic on Santa Monica Boulevard, then he pulled out his 38 and emptied the fucking gun into the guy's car.

You know, some people, they go to work because they need money. Be I go to work because I love it. This is my life, my career. I chase them down. God damn it. It's incredible. I'm surprised he was able to get his finger on the trigger. Actually, we're going to get into how his media appendages actually cause problems later on. It's great. No, we do. But because Eddie Nash apparently contained multitudes, he did have a soft side. If someone he knew was in a real jam, meaning not a drug jam, Eddie would help them out with all the generosity in the world.

But if you fuck with Eddie, you were more often than not as good as that. I gave you a fucking favor, man. I, you know, let's put it this way. I feel like he did this as almost a system of control. Of course. That's what all Bobsters and Drug Dealers do. They don't do anything for you ever. Yeah, why don't you let me help you out?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what, it was kind of funny because I learned that lesson as a little boy because there was mafia on my block. And I remember just like, now I understand it was all just I can't really believe that like this was kind of just that the ecosystem of the neighborhood because my cop father and my mother would always say you're like, you know, those mafia guys, they're crazy absolutely. But you know what? As long as you don't own a money, as long as you just don't get involved in business, they're kind of nice., like, because they build playgrounds and shit.

Yes. But he was, then you find out like, no, that's not true. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this over there. And then I come back with this little corner store and I come back and they had a soda machine. And then I thought it was so impressive that they put on the soda. It was free. And they clicked the thing and the free soda would come out. And I was just so I was like, man, it's incredible. But yeah, I was a mule. They were crime grooming you. Yeah. Like if you would have kept going, you would have ended up just fucking right. Like eventually, once you was trusted, like, one of the guys, but I never would have made because of my fully Italian. Yeah, but they would have loved to take advantage of a cop son. Oh, nothing would make them happy. Yeah.

Well, as it went, Eddie Nash's friends were just as dangerous as Eddie. Reportedly, he was friends with the Godfather of the Israeli mafia. He had been linked to the death and dismemberment of two Israeli nationals at the Bonaventure Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. According to the police, the bodies were dismembered in one of the rooms and removed from the hotel in a large suitcase and a garment bag, both of which had been purchased in the lobby.

We're going to throw out these plates too. Yeah. Parts of the victims, including a woman's head, were subsequently found in four dumpsters right around here in Sherman Oaks. That's so exciting. Yeah. All of this history is right around us. I love when things take place where I am. Yeah, it's like we're in Rome. The Eddie Nashia becomes such a coked up weirdo by the time John Holmes came on the scene

that he hardly ever left his ranch house located in a cul-de-sac at the bottom of the hill that separates Hollywood from the San Fernando Valley. This house was located not five minutes from 87 63 Wonderland Avenue. And it kind of even kind of set the scene a little bit as these types of homes, LA homes are interesting because they are, they look kind of like ranch style. But they find that a lot of like LA homes sort of like expand on the inside like when you get in, especially in this neighborhood. Like it looks like a small house when you arrive and then you open up the door and actually kind of goes back into sort of a long like kind of sprawling thing. And you can kind of see how,

you know, this is the beginnings of a great place for a literal mythical monster to live inside of. Yeah. Because you can really fortify them really well. Oh, yeah. Because you got one entry point. Eddie's body had also taken such a beating from years of drug abuse and its consequences that by this time, one of his lungs had been removed. He was missing part of a sinus cavity because of, you know, excessive cocaine use. Get out of go.

Sorry, I had to turn it to an H.O.V. lane. And he had a steel plate in his head for God knows what reason. To protect my fucking brain from clouds. Guys, I'm sick of having this conversation. Let's listen to Jesse's girl. But along with Eddie's other eccentricities was a habit for collecting rare and expensive objects. Located within his home was a huge collection of Jade,

Ivory, Crystal, and Silver. In addition, he owned an original Rembrandt, and most of his furniture was of the highly expensive Baroque antique variety. And Crystal ain't worth shit. It's not. It's glass. Why is Crystal still a thing? Oh my God. When I try to sell my mom Schwartzkies, you just see the looks I got. Oh, yeah. I'm like, I gave a fuck. You bring all of your mother's precious memories to a man to sell being like, listen, I'm selling all this. We're trying to get a grave stoned. We possibly have some take one of these glass owls. And this is like one look at it. Dog shit. Flows it in the

trash can. His two quarters shooting like bounces it off your tent Thank you, no, I don't know how swarves. He's a fucking scam It's a scam. We're in fucking place. These are me take it down They've had it too good for too long and you can email me side stories LPL and gmail.com mr. Swarov's Skate trying to take us down We're at the mall together. They're opening the new Swart ski store. It's why a brand is far. Who is this?

A new store? I don't know. You know what? I think when we went to a fucking Disney Land over the break, there was a fucking Swarov skis in downtown Disney. Yeah. On the way into Disneyland. It's for me moose and poppups.

Yes. It's to be like, I brought you. It's easy. I brought you, it's easy. I brought you, I brought you, you know what I mean? You're like, you bring it. It's something you believe in a tombstone. I could always tell when my dad wanted the casino because there was a new Schwartzki in the karaoke.

And that was literally, each one was and I'm sorry. But that is all to say that Eddie Nash had a pretty nice house. I'm sure, at least it looked nice. It looked like a old lady's house. It looked like a very dangerous grandma's house. Yes. With a bunch of firecrackers hanging around.

And this was of course a great contrast to the absolute scumbucket of a house that contained the Wonderland gang. But entering Eddie's home would no doubt have given you the same sense of danger. The only difference was that Eddie Nash was just a little classier, even though he was still out of his fucking mind. Most of the time, true to Molina's portrayal, Eddie wore a maroon silk robe and bikini briefs. Soon. And he was almost constantly sweating from the drugs that were running through his system from the moment he was awake and until the moment he passed out days later. Time for my long Christmas nap.

I've been awake since Halloween. Nash was also the type of guy who want you to do drugs with him as soon as you walk in, asking anyone who came by if they wanted a free base cocaine from what we'd now call a crack or a methe pipe. He called this playing baseball. Come on, buddy. You want to play baseball? You want to go smokes and golf? I, buddy, if you ever played inside basketball, come on, let's go.

Because you know what it is about Eddie too, is that which we kind of understand. And what is, is that like, he just wanted you to have a good time. This is what he likes. And so you must like it too. You go because he can't like free-basing cocaine as much as he wants to, unless you're also free-basing cocaine. Because you can then all talk about literally the structures of snowflakes again together for hours and hours. I also think he was maybe in a sort of drug dealer, maybe not conscious, but unconscious way of telling if someone is a cop or not.

Because I do think that, cause we will, again, push back, let me know. If anybody's worked for any sort of narc unit, I would love to know. So I'd sell POTL GMO.com. Undercover cops definitely do drugs. Oh yeah, they do, but I don't know if they do something that extreme. I know that they'll do a bump or they'll do something else to like take it. When they yeah, they do. But I don't know if they do something that extreme. I know

that they'll do a bump or they'll do something else to save their fucking life. Yeah, I don't know. But I feel like free base in cocaine is a step too far for a lot of police officers. It's pretty big. Yeah. Do you think he had something nicer than just tinfoil? Do you think like he had like a metal sheet or something? He had a bit. It was a big glass ball at the end of a small pipe. Oh, well, you know, the small tube, the small glass tube. It was a big glass ball at the end of a small pipe, you know, the small tube, the small glass tube. It was a crack pipe. Yeah. Yeah. Fancy light bulb. Yeah. Fancy light bulb. Yeah. And yeah, the butane lighter, you know, before butane lighters could be bought at head shops, you know, I'm sure you had a special order from

somebody. Yeah. But he had. Yeah. I don't know if home people was around back then. No, I think he had to fucking find that shit. How is it weird to feel like drug paraphernalia in many ways with both harder and easier to get during this time period? Because they had a lot of open cocaine merch. Yeah, they had the cocaine spoons. You had the Coke spoon you could wear.

Like in the movie, I remember during Wolf, we all had those things with they called bullets. There was like a little like portable cocaine administrator that you could bring with you that you like you basically like flipped it over, took off the top, hit the bump, and then you put it back in and it keeps your little cocaine in it all the time. Or they had a little button on the bottom that would push it up and you just lift it that way. Yeah, and by the time we got of age, we had to deal with using our keys in the shitty

bathroom in Brooklyn. Listen into the fucking stripes. What's it called? The strokes, the monks, the rivers, all of them. But after taking a hit from Eddie's free base pipe, you might be invited to partake in one of Eddie's favorite pastimes, Russian roulette. That is all the real. There's now. Russian roulette. That is also real. There's a mouth.

Although partaking usually meant you just watched Eddie do it to himself while all of you were out of your fucking mind. And many ways, well, yeah, I'm glad it's not you should be glad it's not you, but that's kind of almost worse. You do a bunch of drugs. You just watch the guy who owns the house and he's just being like like he's like skipping around the house and click and then he does the you should see your fucking faces man that's what's so incredible about that the Eddie Nash part in Boogey and I it's all from like because they distill everything that is Eddie Nash into like

six minutes yeah you know it's just like she had to do it she had to do it then everyone and then he just moves on to the next thing. He's like, guys, he's like laughing. You guys are all fucking scared and shit. That's hilarious. Show them. He's like, he's a comedian. There's fireworks, there's gunplaces, whips. Anyhowever, we'd involve new guests in a game that they didn't even know they were playing. When it was a game, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, you know, we'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, you'd be like, it's gunplay, it's the whips. Eddie, however, would involve new guests in a game that they didn't even know they were playing. When a new girl guy or whoever was brought to Eddie's place, he'd sometimes make them go to a room and sit on a couch.

Before them strewn across a coffee table, were literal piles of cocaine and jewelry in addition to large wads of cash. And front of them was a large mirror. of cocaine and jewelry in addition to large wads of cash. And front of them was a large mirror. That mirror was of course two way. Here you go, I'm gonna leave you with my kids. I'm gonna go powder my nose. Once the new guest was sat down, Eddie would watch from the other side of the glass

for hours, waiting to see what they took if anything. And that was his way of assessing the guest, you know, but thankfully like there was no penalty if you took anything. You just asked to leave. Yeah. Hey, buddy, that's fucking rude. I mean, before he shuts the door, just be like, you mind if I use a coke? Just ask. I passed the desk. Right from your way. As far as how Eddie and John Holmes hooked up, they met at one of Nash's nightclubs, the seven seas, which is now a souvenir shop called the Hollywoodland experience located across the street from Man's Chinese theater. I bought an Oscar, Best Piggy.

Is that real? No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the devil and John Holmes, called the Lavender Hill mob. Now, the only Lavender Hill mob we could find was a gay activist group from the mid 80s. That a lot of good work. So I think the writer was just trying to distastefully and kind of cheekily suggest that John was there to meet a gay porn producer. He very milky. Yeah. Yeah. No, get John Holmes a lot of gay. That's how he used to describe it. Like back in like, was it the Maltese Falcon? When Peter Laurie played that gay character, they couldn't call him gay, but they always

said he smelled like lavender. Yeah. And it's cold. Yeah. And the lavender hill mob was also a movie from the 40s. It was all kinds of lavender going around. But yeah, that is to say he was definitely there for a gay porn. But otherwise my mom used to say, happy and lighthearted.

But by the way, the producer never showed up. But while John was waiting, he was recognized by Eddie Nash, who was of course a big fan of John's work. You're the cock guy. That's a cock guy. Oh my God. It's the fucking cock guy. Oh my God.

Let me just ask, let me ask, how are your balls? Come on, everyone asks about the cock. Not to step on any toes. The matchley Eddie liked showing off John at his clubs and Eddie also supplied John with free cocaine in exchange for introductions to porn actresses. Sometimes John would even pimp out his underage girlfriend Don to Eddie, telling him that Don was his niece from Oregon. She's in town He would say doesn't make it better. No, no, God, but he would vote because John had this weird thing

He was like actually then make some sense Miss from Oregon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he tell he would tell Eddie Nash the Don was like, yeah, she's in nursing schools. She's visiting here from Oregon. Yeah, you can have her. But at the same time, John would also talk to Eddie Nash about it's like my precious Don, my precious Don. So there was a weird disconnect in John Holmes's brain. And when it came to Don and pimping her out, essentially, not essentially, yes, explicitly. Explicitly pimping her out. He pimped her out to a multitude, multiple people. She's like one of the few people in his life that was actually good to him.

She was the only person. Well, I mean, good to him. She was his hostage. She was his hostage and his first wife took care of him. Yeah, exactly. But he, no, he's, John Holmes is not a nice guy. Yeah, at this time, she's like 17. Yeah.

Now, John Holmes would later refer to Eddie Nash as evil incarnate again and again, but he also said that he and Nash called each other. They were brothers, you know, always brothers. It's what happens with doing when you do hours and hours of rebasing with each other. You get overly familiar. Yes. It's that again, the scene in Boogie Knights with Heather Graham and Julia Moore and the room doing cocaine together for hours upon hours. And like, let's go for a walk. I don't want to leave this room. I don't either.

Like it's that shit, you know, but the thing is about John Holmes and Eddie Nash. Is it seemed like John Holmes was Eddie Nash's friend just so long as Nash's psychotic behavior didn't splash over to John. Sure. Now since, of course, yeah, you're just, yeah, he had kind of a fun idea of a friend. Yeah, for a second. Yeah, for a bet. But he ain't in reality.

Not in a long term. He ain't in reality. Now since John Holmes was close with both the Wonderland gang and Eddie Nash, he began working as a middleman between the two dealers. This of course was the connection that set the events and motion that would result in the Wonderland massacre. But this is what we talked about last week. Do you remember the theme of this entire series?

Is that free-basin cocaine for days and days and years on end will eventually affect your decision-making process? It will. But this is in it because you can't. This is not a sober idea. No, you don't really think things through. Yeah, but see when it came to purchasing drugs, Eddie would take most anything valuable in exchange

for cocaine or heroin. He would take gold, jewelry, guns, whatever. And as it happened, the Wonderland gang had just come into possession of three extremely valuable and unique antique handguns valued at $75,000. That's $75,000 in 1981 money. Yeah, but this is not shit you could take to like a normal like fencing operation.

This is like an antique roadshow shit. There's like Smithsonian shit. This is auction shit. And that's what Eddie knew. He knew that these guns were so unique that if he even tried to resell them, if the cops caught wind, they're coming straight for Eddie Nash and his whole fucking operation falls apart. Yeah. But at this point, the Wonderland gang was critically low on heroin.

They therefore pushed John to make a plea to Eddie because Eddie had a soft spot for John homes. Nash agreed to hold the guns. He kind of did a favor for John. No, never. It's never a favor. I'm too late at this. Yes, yes.

You agreed to hold the guns and some gold for seven days while advancing the Wonderland gang a thousand dollars for heroin, so they could sell the heroin to make money to buy more heroin. That is the Nigerian print scam. That is the same thing. Like you know where it?

That's like, and that's as good as money. Yeah. Yeah. Now, as I'm sure all you listeners are right now, John Holmes was somewhat confused by this nonsensical deal. But from what I can tell, it seems like it's kind of a pawn shop situation, right? It's like, you know, Eddie holds onto the guns. It's collateral.

And then once the wonderland gang pays back the grand after they sell the heroin, then they get the guns back. And do you feel like when you were, because you delight weed stuff and I sold weed and in Tallahassee, Florida, everyone went to jail already. We can talk about it. No, did you ever barter? Barter? No, but like you'd get in situations where like people would give you

Weed or whatever and they would want you to like they want you to be in debt to them Oh sure cuz that's when they can really milk it and they can fucking bring up how much you oh And they want to give it to a junkie who's gonna do it cuz then they could just milk the guy for all of time And so it's just like it's a good thing. It's a good business to do that, you know. Well, actually, Eddie did not want to really do it because he didn't want to get in a business with heroin addicts. That was his rules that he didn't want to get into business with heroin addicts because heroin addicts could kill you.

You know, it is for a fix. He's like literally on a fucking roof, like dangly back if we're playing basketball in the river of the building. He's been like, the thing about heroin addicts is that honestly, they're unreliable. Yeah. Well, the one guy we had to deal with that was unreliable. He was also del coke. And he would often try to pay for his weed and coke and be like, no, we don't need that much coke. We need the money. And the coke is not helping. But I was the only one that could actually get a good deal out of this guy because his

name was X. So I think that's a blood saying. And with X used to deal, used to be the weed guy for George Clinton. Oh wow. And then he got mad because I gave the whole P fun guy. It's a better price. And so they left X and they like, you know, he can't start coming to me. And then one time he was being really shady, like pretending to be Georgia's son and

shit. And just he was trying to be a real super shady. So I was like, Hey, you know, this is my gun. You know, like, you know, Jesus Christ. And then you started doing sketch comedy. Yeah. And the middle of all of this.

Yeah. The middle of that's how I met you. He's knocked. Yeah, you're my lead dealer first. And then roommate. Then you, then comedy park. Yeah. But you know, you, you show him the gun, you unload it, you hand it to him, be like, look, this is my gun. And then whenever he comes over, whenever you get the shady guys coming over, you, you, like put the weed in a different place. Like you keep it in your underwear drawer. When he comes over, you pull it out from, you know, the fridge, of course, you know, stuff like that. You know, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's your underwear drawer. When he comes over, you pull it out from the fridge. Of course, stuff like that.

You know, but it's a super soap. It really is. For all that shit, it's never, if you get caught, it's when. Oh, of course. And we were doing great. And we were doing better than anyone that I asked you, but it all came crashing down. Of course.

And the very, much more friendly with it. But I could see where, when you're dealing with large sums of money and the very, much more friendly way than this. But I could see where, you know, when you're dealing with like large sums of money and crazy people, like you never, any Nash types you stay away from. Very much so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Never get to the top dog.

Yeah. No, I mean, I didn't actually wasn't even close to the top dog. Yeah, I know. He was still even just a minor boss in all of this fucking shit. Yeah, that was just his, his fun time. Yeah. He was a business owner. Yeah. I mean, multiple businesses. I mean, really like drug That was just his, his fun time. He was a business owner.

Yeah. I mean, really like drug dealing was like his hobby. Yeah. That's what he did for the passion. Yeah. He probably washed a lot of money for a lot of people. Oh, those businesses, especially with that punk rock venue. I mean, like, I bet it made on the books.

Like I bet it made like a hundred thousand dollars a month. I bet. You know, I've been like to it. I've been had to. No, of course. maybe like $100,000 a month. I bet. You know, it went to a grad and it had to. Now, of course, the whole guns for cash for heroin and then getting the, you sell in the heroin and giving the cash back, that's not at all what happened. Yeah.

Instead of selling the heroin, the Wonderland gang did the heroin. And once that was gone, they started robbing people to continue feeding their habit, little by little, saving none of the money for Eddie Nash. Now days turned into weeks with no repayment. God, it's a fuel of attention. Fuel it. But that's the thing is that none of it came from Eddie Nash.

No, I know. He like forgot about, a thousand dollars means nothing to him. Nothing. Like nothing at all. That's an hour of co-cass. And in a drug-fueled chain of conversation, the Wonderland gang convinced themselves that Eddie Nash had sold their guns and was keeping all the cash.

Like they had somehow created a situation in which they were the wrong ones. They were the victims. Always. John Holmes communicated the Wonderland gang's anger back to Eddie, but Eddie Nash wasn't worried. He didn't care about any of it. He didn't care about threats. He said, they don't even know where I live. Unless, of course, you were to tell them where I live, John. And the guy, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Yeah, I'm in there. On your body. This is where John Holmes enters into his professional snitch state. Mm hmm. Well, he'd snitch before, right? Yeah, he'd, yeah, he'd been snitching for a while, but this is when he turned, I would say the big leagues. Yeah, the big leagues. Yeah, when it snitching turns to murder and, yeah.

Yeah. And as you may have already guessed, that's exactly what happened. Now, there's some debate as to why John Holmes gave up Eddie Nash's location to the Wonderland gang, but according to one source, John had taken a cocaine delivery for himself and free-based it. I mean, I just, what did he think was going to happen? Have a coffee. There are coffee some Tylenol.

I don't know, man. I know it's only last for a period of time, but it's like, you know, it's all like, you're doing it and it feels good for a second. And you're like, ah, I then bet that feeling. Like I've even thinking about this. It's like I'll put a pit in my stomach. Yeah. It's all gone.

The cocaine you're just about to bring. And then the 15 minutes of you being high is over. And then that feeling of just, oh no. Yeah. What the, what do I do now? And then you just constant of just oh no yeah, what the what do I do now and then you just Constance scramble for it. Well, this caused a problem with Wonderland gang members Billy Devarol and Ronnie Lonious who are if you'll remember both murderers and desperate drug

addicts. Yeah, they're just this crazy. His home team is just as crazy as the other guy he's running all this board. Yeah, but one is a yacht and the other one's got a robot. Exactly. But after beating John as a precursor to something much worse, Ronnie told John that he had to quote unquote, make this right. And John being the coward that he was immediately thought about his friend, Eddie Nash, the Wonderland gang's increasing vendetta, and all the valuables contained within Eddie's house.

No, no, no, no, no, should have been the last thought. I've been like small business loan. And we do go for me. But some part of them was like thinking maybe Eddie would just fucking kill these people too. You know what? That's actually I bet you. I haven't talked about that. But yeah, maybe I'll just feed him to people too. You know what? You know what? That's actually, I bet you. I haven't talked about that, but yeah.

You maybe I'll just feed him to this. I'll feed him to Eddie. Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, make sure work on these guys. You know, like you can't beat Eddie, you know. But on the other hand, John also needed the money because he already, he just made that documentary exhausted and he hadn't paid the editors yet. And unless he paid the editors, it's that fucking scene. And we're like, we can't get, we need the tapes to take to the record company.

So we can get the deal and then we'll come back and we'll pay you for the tapes, but we can't pay for the date until we get the record deal. I'm sweating. It's all things like it's so fucking nerve-wracking. So John agreed to give up Eddie Nash's location under the condition that he would get a cut and nobody would get hurt. And so on the evening of June 28, 1981, the Wonderland gang gathered around their breakfast nook to study blueprints of Eddie Nash's house that John either procured from the city or drew up himself from memory. Like they're fucking oceans eleven.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess who drew them up. Okay, okay, okay, okay, let me see if I remember, see if I remember, see if I remember. I see where, okay, I know there's a door. And I know there's a couch. And I know there's a lot of cocaine. And I know that there's up, like you could just see them all just kind of going back and forth and just being like, you know, we need, it's, we need a small guy that could fit in the tiny elevator. What are you talking about?

By this point, John had extensive knowledge of not only the layout of the house itself, but where all of Eddie Nash's valuables and weapons were stored. Namely, they were in the goddamn safe and the goddamn bedroom. That's good. That's good. Good time to shame. But if you'll remember, whatever happened to him, he says the little thing. See, he's kind of, he's a jerk. Oh, I would have figured.

But if you'll remember, Eddie Nash also had a massive karate expert bodyguard around him at all times. Yeah. Gregory D time. Yeah. Gregory Diles. Yeah. No, well, Diles wasn't always armed. He did keep a sawdoth shotgun in his bedroom at Nash's place. He lived there.

Of course. Always around. But to make up for the presence of Gregory Diles, the Wonderland gang added another guy to the crew. An ex-con named David Lind was going to be the one with the gun covering Eddie and Diles while Ronnie and Billy would ransack the house. You see, again, try not to, we don't want to help the audience commit crimes. But if you are going to, like let's say you, if you want to do a big mass ice, my thing

I would say is use other people that have just as much to lose as you that aren't brand new. Don't bring in just some extra guy. Well, they knew him, you know, like, yeah, they knew him, but let's just say, like, I still feel like he was extra. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, who are you going to use?

John, you can't, I guess you can. I guess you use a chick. Yeah, bring a dog. Obviously that would happen. So the first plan that the Wonderland gang came up with was to send John to the front door. Then once Nash's door was open, the Wonderland gang would just bum rush. Oh, yeah, take control immediately. Classic. So your plan was this is of course fucking stupid. And would, and would likely end in a shootout with multiple fatalities. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Instead, John suggested that he go over there to party and unlock the back door. So the gang could take Nash by surprise in

the early morning hours. This was the plan agreed upon. So John was sent to Eddie's house. That night at midnight, they're like, fuck it. We got the plan. We're doing it right now. They gave him $400 to buy drugs. And then John smoked those drugs at Nash's place over the following six hours. And I really feel like he should have been sitting in meditation, thinking about what he needed to do here, centering himself, taking some time for John. But instead, I can't believe how irresponsible he's being the night before the heist. Yeah. Yeah.

Doing drugs, doing drugs. You never do the drugs at the dealer's house. You do the dealers drugs at the dealer's house and you take your drugs that you bought and you do them at home. Eddie Nash was a little bit smarter than that. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was a drug restaurant. Yeah.

Well, that's what you do the first, I don't know, two dozen times you come to Eddie's house. And then after that, Eddie starts to get wise to your game. Yeah. Because you just kick people in and out. You eventually, you were not allowed to come in. You'd be able to party for a while, but that's also was kind of weird about it. And then he was oddly not forgiving, but he was oddly just being like what we said before, he wouldn't just immediately shoot you in the

head. Yeah. It's kind of nice. Yeah. And not hung out with a Coke dealer once like who, uh, like it there's a even just hanging out with that guy like there was a limit where like we went over to his place. Yeah. We started doing Coke. And then at one point, he was like, hey guys, just got to be honest with you. Uh, you got to start paying now. He's one point he was like, Hey guys, just got to be honest with you. You got to start paying now. He's like, we can keep hanging out. I like hanging out with you guys. You're all are fun, but you got to start paying for your cocaine. Yeah.

Wow. Okay, and we did. That's called fiscal responsibility. And that was the last time I ever did cocaine. Why? Because it was going to start causing months, months in you money. That was also my cocaine rule.

I'm not paying for it. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good rule. No, I paid for it that night. It was just such a weird scummy night. And it wasn't even like in New York. It was in Lubbock.

It was such a fucking weird scummy scuzzy awful, awful night. That after that I was like, you know what? I don't need to be in this scene no more. I'm just so glad. It's so crazy what you like, we'll just end up with drugs, you know? Like it's how I ask you, I deal with this guy named Zeele. And he was selling Coke.

We go over to his house. He throws two fucking phone books on the floor and then shoots him. I can hear it. And it's like, he's two fucking phone books on the floor and then shoots him. That was his game. He was having fun. He was trying to relax. The John claimed that he felt a bit of remorse over the plan while he was partying with Eddie Nash that night.

And he claimed that he tried warning Eddie that the Wonderland gang was coming for him. But since Eddie was on day 10 by John's estimate of a no sleep binge, he didn't really process what John was telling him. He wanted Eddie to kill these motherfuckers. Or he didn't ever, or he never said anything. That's true. We are listening. This is all recanting from it. I forget that this all probably lies. Everything from John Holmes's mouth is probably alive. Because I just think that we'll deeper and pack. And so when all the coke that John had bought

was smoked out of existence, John excused himself to go to the bathroom. But instead, he unlocked the sliding glass door in the back bedroom. What if his body was in the bathroom, but his cock unlocked the door? Just sneak around. body was in the bathroom, but his cock unlocked the door. Just, just, just, make me like, why is my door covered in piss? Go, go, be swift, go, fly you foot. Well John left just as the sun was coming up and arrived back at the Wonderland house to tell the gang, It's fucking time to go boys.

The problem was though the Wonderland gang was heroin addicts. So they'd spent all night doing heroin and they'd all nodded off. Wrong drug. It took John two hours to wake them up. But once they did rise and shine, they sent John back to Eddie's house to make sure that the back door was still unlocked following behind him in a shitty Ford Grenada That was supposed to be the getaway car and so after John snuck around to the back to confirm that the door was still unlock he yelled quote It's time go get him boys Jesus It's time to rob any national.

And that's him. That's what he said he did. It's time. Soon after the gang entered the house and found Eddie and his bodyguard, Gregory Diles in the living room. They're just there in love. Gregory Diles and Eddie Nash were like They're just, they're in love. Gregory Diles and Eddie Nash were in love with each other in any way. I think they had a very comfortable domestic situation. Yeah, we're basically kind of a married couple Gregory Diles would make a breakfast and shit. They were like hang out, made eat on the veranda

and have a nice time. And he's just like living with a friendly karate bear. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's just something about your gut that comforts me. I just love being near him. And God, damn it. If you word my Wi-Fi treat you like one. I described him as more like a

nurse who's willing to kill. God, I wish. That's all I want. Well, unfortunately for dials, though, when the Wonderland gang rushed in, he was carrying a little tray that I didn't say what was on the tray. It was either like drugs or like it might have been Eddie's breakfast.

Yeah, yeah. I know. He had nice stuff like a like like silver platter. Oh, yeah. I feel like a little flower and a vase on it. And a raffle with slightly face drawn. I'm fucking cocaine on it. Just like, that's how we like to see that.

And that's friendly waffle. Yeah. Eddie, we go, Eddie. Eddie was of course caught, unaware of his couch wearing only blue bikini briefs. That's my father's entire uniform for my entire childhood. Wow. And I remember how many times he had to be told,

especially if my sister's friends were coming over and they had to put pants on. Yep. Same here. Yeah. Oddly enough, my father only also only wore underwear, but we just love doing it. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna do. Oddly enough, the Wonderland gang entered, pretending to be the police, flashing a stolen San Francisco police badge while shouting, freeze police. You're under arrest. Yeah, hold right there. No. I know my track marks on the car police officer. No uniform. That really didn't seem all that necessary because David Lenn the new guy in the group. He was holding a massively imposing 357 magna.

Get it. That got you. God. The match was brought to his knees immediately while dolls was made to lay on the floor so he could be handcuffed. He was so massive, however, that they couldn't get the handcuffs. There we go. Yeah. Yeah.

Too fat to arrest. God, I love this. This comedy of errors continued when Billy Deverell went to help, but tripped and fell into David Lend and David Lend who probably didn't have the best trigger discipline accidentally fired the gun. Jesus. Oh, Jesus. Now, the bodyguard wasn't technically shot, but the 357 was held close enough to his body and the discharge was so powerful that it caused powder burns that were deep enough to cause bleeding. Yeah.

He's been like, I'm shot boss. I'm shot boss. And he has to like get all just total insanity. Yeah. Yeah. Finally though, the gang got the handcuffs over the meaty wrists of Gregory Diles, then they threw a rug over his head so he couldn't see what was happening. I don't know why.

I don't know why they're like so he could like why did he's the rug throw it over his head he's on the handcuffs and many ways and many many ways his bodyguards are like canaries if we just put it listen to me listen this isn't the heroine he will go to sleep. I thought he knew they'd use his one weapon against him. With the bodyguard out of the picture, they took Nash to his bedroom and told him that they wanted the goddamn code, the goddamn safe. The Nash refused it first, but when the barrel of the gun was forced into his mouth, he fucking broke. He started sobbing and he told him immediately what the code was. Now for a bunch of drug addicts, the whole contained in the safe was incredible.

Inside were two massive ziploc bags of cocaine, a ton of jewelry, a pile of cash, and thousands of quay ludes in a cash box that was no doubt bound for the Starwood box office. You know, if I saw that amount, that was about to rob somebody. I feel box office. You know, if I saw that amount, I was about to rob somebody. I feel like just the amount alone would be like, oh no. Yeah. And it's is, this might be too much.

You've already started. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry half. Leave half. Just leave some. You think so? I say just move the Cleveland. Well, Cleveland, they're going to find you. He's going to find you no matter what. So let's say leave half.

And maybe it won't be as mad. It doesn't know. It's still that. Yeah. Yeah. You still die. You just, they're already dead at this point. Yeah.

Yeah. You just take it. Yeah. Further searching the house, they found a laboratory fileileful of heroin in Eddie's dresser, Gregory shotgun in his bedroom, and of course the antique guns that had started this fucking mess in the first place. Don't you talk to my fucking muskets. Still not happy, though. Ronnie Lonious, who if you'll remember, had 30 possible unsolved homicides under his butt when he died, he held a hunting knife

to Gregory's throat demanding a no where the rest of the heroin was. But even as Ronnie began to draw blood, Gregory refused to tell him possibly because there was no more fucking heroin. Yeah. Or a rug over his head. Take the rug off my head. I'll tell everything you want to know. It's a trick. It's a trick. It was at this point, though, that the rest of them told Ronnie that they had more than enough. So they escaped their shitty Ford Grenana, which took them back to the Wonderland house five minutes away, five minutes away. Job done. Base a back at base. The whole thing was over and done with by 10 a.m. And of course, John Holmes was waiting back at the Wonderland House almost giddy with excitement to see what the

hall was. And therefore, how big his cut was going to be. See, the agreement beforehand was that the three guys who went in to pull off the robbery would take 25% each while John and the driver would split the last quarter. Pretty standard for a robbery predictably though, the Wonderland gang ignored John, but they returned and walked right past him to the back bedroom to take stock of the loot. This had of course been a last minute change to the plan because between the house and the getaway car, the three robbers decided to short both John

and the getaway drivers. Classless. Yeah. Literally, where's the respect? No respect for the game. It's a goddamn, it's a blunder squad. Like these guys are all, I mean, the one relief that we have about this whole grizzly scene

is that all of these guys are unrepentant, moron criminals. Like, this is one of these, I just a constant fuckery between each other. It's so funny, even job homes would even like believe that they would all be cool. Like all this like, there's an inability to kind of learn here, to kind of absorb a lesson. There really is. And that's the thing things that nobody basic cocaine. I think it's really hurting a lot of the being present in the moment.

Yeah, you kind of skip through all the dotted eyes. Yes, cross the T's. Yeah. Brochrook's guy. Well, nobody at Wonderland liked to respect a John anymore. Like, I mean, he'd gone from being a hip porn star in the beginning. Then he was just a big dick party trick. John, show him your dick. And by the time of the robbery, he was seen as a pathetic thief and a drug addict who'd sell out his friend at the first

sign of trouble. I mean, he just did. He did. Did it with Eddie Nash. He's, he's, all he's ever done. He's going to do it to you. That's a thing. And all they'd come away with eight pounds of cocaine, eight pounds, five thousand quay ludes, a kilo of China white heroin, 10,000 dollars in cash and jewelry worth a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Jesus, fucking. And out of all that, they gave John Holmes, three thousand dollars and a low pinky ring. And he wouldn't know either way, but he would even know. He knew he was like, he said, he said, there's way, there was way more Eddie Nash's house

than that. And when he complained, they punched him in the stomach and beat him with a walking stick. As they, as he deserved, yeah, yeah, as he deserved. Do you think that it's possible they could have beat him with his own penis? I think Eddie will do that later on. Eddie Nash didn't immediately figure out the John Holmes have been the facilitator in the robbery. Since John had been the middleman between Nash and the Wonderland gang, Eddie didn't know what the Wonderland gang looked like. So he didn't even know that it was the Wonderland gang.

Look for long hair. She's got my shoes bad shirts. I don't fucking know. You probably also forgotten that John had told them just a few hours earlier that the Wonderland gang was coming for him. But that's if John actually did mention it as he claims he did.

It shows that he didn't, because I really do believe that any Nash would remember distinctly that he was told that the Wonderland gang was coming for him. I feel like, I feel like after all it was happened, he'd wake up and be like, oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right. But you're also in so much drugs. You just think it's like the fucking walrus that eats all the oysters

and the, uh, Tweedle D and Tweedle dumb. These fucking hard people, you mean to tell me there's walking playing cards on that? I hate gambling. And two days later though, I mean, this is just the dumbest shit. This is the fucking dumbest shit. John Holmes ran into Gregory Diles at the liquor store. And immediately Diles noticed that John was wearing one of Eddie Nash's very distinctive stolen ring.

It's probably had like, it's probably like an E and an N diamond on it. It didn't take him but a second to put two and two together. So boom, bam, there it is. And from the liquor store, Gregory Diles walked into Eddie Nash's house, dragging John Holmes by his stupid white boy Afro in the midst of a party. And since Eddie was known to kill anyone who crossed him, John figured that this was his last night like, just bring it into this house. You open up this house. You're like, this is it. He was, he made it. Of course. He was fine. He was fine. Why are the ring? Why wear the ring? Because, well,

let's just say, I don't think it was going to be for long. I don't think he was going to be fine for very long because there's many theories of what went down in this last couple, this little section of the John Holmes life. And I think we'll get... Yeah. Well, this party, it wasn't up to Eddie's usual standards because he just had eight pounds of Coke stolen from him. Sorry, guys. We had a bit of a supply line issue today, you know, like he's talking like it's

the beginning of COVID. So he hired an illusionist. So just shooting at his feet. Quit fucking lie in to me. In other words, everyone was agitated while they were waiting for more Coke to show up. Eddie sent out a couple of cronies. And then the man responsible for the agitation just got literally dragged in the door. Damn. One of those agitated people though, interestingly enough, was a man named Scott Thorsten.

Thorsten was the live and lover of Liberace and had been so since he was a teenager. As it was described, Thorsten, who was nicknamed Booper by Liberace, was the famous singer's lover, pet, and son. Matt Damon. All you're rolled in the one. Matt Damon. Matt Damon. Yes.

Matt Damon in the movie. Because Liberace was famously in the closet, because that was like, because my mom, I always remember it was like, because Barry Manellow was very similar wherever Liberace was always kind of painted as a man who just loved his mother and he loved his mother so much that you know he could never have room in his life for a wife and I remember my mom talking about Barry Manelow she's like you know what it is about Barry Manelow is that he's the bachelor and he writes these love songs because it's just so hot. They're him to just find a woman to settle down because how can he choose?

You know, I didn't. When did your mom have these conversations with you over and over again? She just asked me to listen to Barry Manila. She's like, you know, Barry Manila, he needs a wife. You can hear it in his songs. You know, it's just pontiffing. She was in love with him. Yeah, my mom was Johnny Mathis woman. Oh, yeah, but Johnny Mathis was, yeah, he's, he's a, he's a stripping guy.

Yeah, he's a stripping guy. Liberace, the only guy who was in the closet and the closet out of Shadalair. Very good. Thank you, Ture. Great material. Great material. Very simple.

It's unusable, but you're suffering this moment. Good. Thank you. Great material. Great material. Very simple. It's unusable, but you separate in this moment. But 1981, Liberace and Thorcens relationship had gone beyond the realm of the Bazaar. See a few years earlier, Liberace had ordered Thorcens to get cosmetic surgery because Liberace was aging and Liberace wanted to preserve his own face on Forson's face. I've been trying to get Natalie to let me do this procedure to Wendy. Just again, because I am aging. Let's go face facts.

All right, I got it. I got it. It's asial for the first time. I've never had one of those before. And the woman, it's the first thing she came down. She's motioned my fucking meat around. And she's like, I can't help but notice. You'll see you're losing your elasticity.

And I was like, I'm gonna fucking snap. If you want it literally, yes, you're right, I am gonna snap. And then it's true though, but yeah, so one day Wendy will look like me. That's terrifying. Yeah, but you know, also comforting. Yep, shame in her.

Completely shaving it. What are you talking about, your hair, also comforting. You know, shabin' her. Completely shabin' it. What are you talkin' about, your hair, your... That's true. That's true. Well, in order to get this procedure to put Liberace's face on his face, Thorsten had to lose 30 pounds. So a crooked doctor prescribed Thorsten,

a cocktail of drugs that included pharmaceutical cocaine. The procedure was kind of a success, but Thorsten was left hopelessly addicted as a result. And as it just so happened, when the bodyguard burst into Nash's house with Holmes, Eddie was in the bedroom free-basing with Scott Thorsten. Have you guys met Liberace's pets? By the time Nash exited his room, Holmes abid sat down in a chair to await his fate. Now Eddie Nash alternated between screaming and sobbing. You're fucking me up here, man. You're just fucking me up.

I trusted you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. You're you. I love you. I love you. I love you.

I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.

I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.

I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. look searching John's pockets, Nash then found John's pocket address book and began flipping through pages and naming John's family members, threatening to hunt down and kill every single one. I just need to find out how much it takes to build a fucking crucifix. I will know this Nana.

This is a fucking Nancy. Just like God, I could just, I could feel, wow. Just ripping pages out, just like dead, dead, dead. Very fucking intense. So we really was like, yeah, who's this? In Montana, dead. This woman in Utah, oh, that's your fucking mother, dead. Wow.

Fucking incredible. A lot of pressure. But, and that's it, but that's like the movie scene. This is when it gets weird. He started like manically making phone calls to like old friends, business associates, even ex-girlfriends. He's switching from English to French to Arabic. He's telling everyone that he's holding the king of pornography, John Holmes, captive at his house. And Nash was telling people like, homes fuck me over. If you want to come see the show, swing on by.

Whoa. He's huge. Now, John claims that for 14 hours, Eddie, Gregory, and even more bodyguards tortured him in a room just off the entryway as his hands were bound by electrical tape and blood poured out of his mouth. I love this whole seed because it's just out of the movie society. Is it? By John's estimate, 60 to 70 people paraded by as all this was happening and not a one of them. Even the people he knew waived hello.

No one said hi. No one said hi. No one said hello. How you doing? Oh, John. John, hello. Oh, nice. Got your tongue. How you doing? Oh, John. John. Hello.

Oh, nice got your tongue. Here, however, is where things get murky. John, of course, gave up the Wonderland gang, but after the torture was over, John claimed the Eddie gave him a direct order to return to Wonderland Avenue, saying, quote, bring me their eyeballs in a bag. That's pretty good line. That's pretty good. And John accomplished this, that he said, all would be forgiven. That, however, is not what John told his wife, Sharon. That's what John said in his autobiography. Now Sharon hadn't seen John for

about three months by this point, but at 3 30 a.m. on July 2nd, the night of the Wonderland murders, John Holmes showed up on her doorstep with his clothes ripped and his entire body covered in blood. Now John claimed at first that he'd been in a car accident, but when Sharon tried administering first aid because if you'll remember, she was a nurse, she found that he had no cuts or abrasions. This also refutes John's story that he was tortured. It was more of like a theoretical car accident. You're in a philosophical car accident.

Most likely, John gave up the wonderland before he and Diles even left the fucking liquor store. I can't I would this is our theory. Yeah. Is that when he saw a dials and dials was like said at his ring. He's like the Wonderland gang is at eight six seven three. He's immediately doing the like they're right there. Honestly, I bet you there were sleep right now. Yeah. And they went back to the house and then he was just I imagine that I do think that some of the scene with any Nash like did happen. I do think like him, Rantigan, Raving, you're being a bunch of people there. But it's got Scott Forson technically backs it up.

Right. That person does back that up at least. Yeah. He did go there. But the idea of a parade of torturers that the only way that John Holmes's will could ever have been bent to ever. How could he possibly snitch on his best friends? Those are my friends, my compatriots, my comrades. No. Also pissed a whip by a 357. A skinny guy like that.

He's out. It's right there. It's like getting hit with the police baton. Yeah, it's done right there. Yeah. like getting hit with the police baton. Yeah, it's done right there. Yeah. Well, Sharon later told it, John told her that he told Nash where the Wonderland gang lived and how to get there. He just told her. I'm going to drive him to the street five minutes. You would believe how fast we got to back to our house after robbing you. Take a bike.

Nash then sent John with three men over to the Wonderland house to get revenge and retrieve That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end.

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That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. That's the end. by beating all but one person in the Wonderland house to death with steel pipes. The only one who survived did so only by the grace of God and still had such severe brain damage that she could never testify as to what happened that night. Whoa, that whole scene, if you go like not to, you know, it's, it's really fucked up.

Yeah. But if you watch, there's a whole walkthrough of the crime scene. These guys got like, this is, it's more than a hit. It's more, it's, it's absolute message. It's utter revenge to everybody, the entire city. Yeah. Yeah. The Wonderland gang have been so thoroughly beaten that the steel pipes

threading have been imprinted on their skin and even on their bones. On their bones, on their bones. On their bones! On their bones! Yeah. Yeah. Their faces were completely unrecognizable, and their heads had been bashed in with such fury that chunks of brain were stuck to the ceiling. There was so much blood that homicide detectives later described it as appearing as if someone had taken buckets of the stuff and thrown it all over the walls and carpets.

The only evidence linking the crime to anyone was of course a bloody palm print left by John Holmes. She's fucking crazy. In the room where Ronnie Lonious' body was found. Hey, look at this detected Martinez. I see this kind of line in the carpet here. I'm pretty certain. That's a cocktail. of line in the carpet here. I'm pretty certain. That's a cocktail.

Holmes, however, told an entirely different story. No way. He said that Eddie Nash forced him to return to the Wonderland House after the murders to set him up for the massacre. Oh, yeah. John claimed that he did what he was told and walked through the crime scene. And indeed, his account of the crime scene in his eye at autobiography is incredibly graphic. He said that a trail of blood led from the door to the master bedroom. And John claimed that when he walked in, a long shape was twisted in the sheets.

The body was intact, but the head was split open and the face was pulverized into a mush. Got it. Based on the closing hair, John recognized that the body belonged to Ronnie Lani. My best friend, my Ron, that was my Ronnie. We'll never find out if he killed those 30 people. I can't believe he committed suicide like this. John then walked up the stairs where he found the owner of the home, Joy Miller lying on the ground in the house coach.

She always wore this was the only thing that identified her because her face as John put it looked like it had gone through a shredder. As far as Billy DeVral went, it appeared to John as if his brains had literally exploded. That's how hard he'd been hit. Nothing remained of anyone's head. This is how John wrote it. He said, everyone's head was just slime. Oh, damn.

He estimated everyone had been struck 40 to 50 times, but I don't know what forensics John Holmes is pulling on to bring to come to that number. I actually believe him in this situation because he's not creative enough to like give a metaphor. Yeah, he really is. Yeah. He didn't get a creative fiction like a doctorate. So you think it was a Giles that did this probably a dials dials. Yeah, yeah, you're thinking of Jay Giles band.

Yes. He is. Most likely, yeah, most likely it was Gregory Diles and like two other guys. Because not that guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because honestly also I wonder if the Gregory, I don't want you to get your hands to read all this. You're my friend. I put a rug over my ass.

I know. I know. Okay, but you're my very, very mean butler, best friends and husband. Okay, so we need to hold our we need to hold this together. And it's also a Henry brought up this possibility too is that it's possible that they may have made John Holmes kill one of these guys or at least bash him in the face a few times. My theory is that at one point because he had a bloody hand print on a bed, right? And what it looked like was that they, he was bracing himself to probably strike something. It was like literally was a weight bearing thing.

He was over a bed over one of the victims. So I think that would be probably honest. This Roniolanias, I think that what they did was that at some point, they were like, now you're going to take a swing. They're probably already dead. And they, and he's like, now you're going to do it. So now you directly are involved in this. Or they just grabbed his fucking hand and put it in the blood and put it on the wall and said, relieve it. Yeah, exactly to frame you with you literally being like, we're gonna put this all on fucking you.

We're gonna make it look like you are a serial killer. And that you, you fucking had a free basin breakdown and you killed all of your buddies in a scheme of your own. Yeah. Now it was an open secret amongst the LAPD vice squad that John Holmes was running drugs for the Wonderland gang. But if you'll remember, it was an open secret amongst the LAPD vice squad that John Holmes was running drugs for the Wonderland gang, but if you'll remember, John was protected because he'd been an informant for the pornography squad.

Even after the murders, though, John's contact was still reluctant to give him up, even though it had been years since he'd provided any information. It soon became obvious, however, that John was no longer the high rolling snitch that he once was and see the bodies were found by like a work. I mean, of course, as a guy who's coming to mow the lawns. He's always that. It's a jogger. Yeah. It's always somebody who'd like you were like who's literally getting too old for this shit. Yeah. It shouldn't have to be pulled into one last traumatic crime scene for the rest of their lives.

Yeah, you just looked in the window and saw a bunch of dead bodies and a bunch of blood. They're trying, and they're trying to figure out, okay, like, what connections do we have? Like, okay, this is the Wonderland gang and one of them's like, so I think I know a guy who runs drugs for these people and that person ended up being John Holmes. So his contact tracked him down and handed him over to the two detectives in charge of what was now being called the Thor on the Floor murders. Oh God, these cops fucking love this shit,

Bob Sousa and Tom Lang. They love this fucking shit. It's so uncreative. And the Thor on the Floor murders, yeah. Yeah, and see, as you walk in, there's four people on the floor. Come on. But these are, I believe, these are the same cops that wrote, make sure, Malice and Wonderland, uh,

that were just so they just did a one of them work with Ferman. Am I wrong? Uh, Tom Leng. Tom Leng. Tom Leng. He worked on this and OJ. Yeah. Tom Leng was, yeah, one of the biggest detectives in the OJ case.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, what's this spot, Tom Leng? That's fucking crazy. How nuts is that, man? That's one of the horrible, you can't solve shit. But you can't do anything. Well, these guys are so too. This whole book, Malice and Wonderland is all just like, you know, again, it's the same guys. They were like, it's called Malice and Wonderland, which is reflecting on Alice and Wonderland because also the name Wonderland. And it's all about how things were unfairly treated and how like, you know, the city,

it's, that's the problem. The city held our hands. We couldn't do our job because all we want to do is bust heads. Yeah, of course. Now, all this had occurred just before Independence day and right before the murders landed in their laps. Of course, these two hardball detectives, they jokes are like, probably going to be a fucking triple ax murder in the Hollywood Hills, just a fuck up, a fucking weekend.

I love it now. And it did. Yeah. Fucked up their weekend. Real bad. They were now in charge of the biggest LA homicide case since the Manson murders. This thing blew up. Of course.

Now, once John was brought into custody, he said that he was ready to lay out every illegal connection he knew about in the entire pornography industry. I months met a guy from a bodega who was selling milk at $4 when it was supposed to be nationally priced to two. What else you need to know? Who else can I flip on? Is it pornography legal at this point? No, it's legal.

It's legal at this point. It's legal at this point. So it's got nothing. Well, no, it's, but it's still also like run by the mob. Yeah. It's like not, not in every case, but like it's a lot of mob money that's rolling through pornography. And he said the he had information on mafia connections, money laundering operations in New York, Chicago, Miami, mob related arson's. He said he knew of a former Chicago

hitman who had retired to oversee porn productions and Los Angeles. Just anybody who was it nailed out. Yeah. The only thing that Holmes refused to talk about though was the wonderland massacre itself. And since everything else sounded like bullshit and there wasn't enough to charge John with the murders, they let him go. But as Detective Lang drove John to North Hollywood to pick up his impounded Malibu, Lang looked at him and asked him point blank off the record if Eddie Nash was the one who did it. And John's just said, yeah, Nash did it. And he said so with such sincerity, the detective Lang believed him. Oh, yeah, I feel like in the end, they already knew.

Yeah. They knew they knew they know what's going on here. And they were just, they needed his words so they could go fucking get the search warrant and go figure out all the bullshit. Yeah. But it was one thing to say it to Lang and another to say it on the record. Definitely another to say it to a grand jury and definitely a different thing to testify to the fact of trial. Oh yeah. John had no intention of sticking out his neck while gnashing his goons. No doubt knew the John was talking to the police. But in what I think is the ball's theest move I think I've ever heard anyone make. John went back to Eddie's house. What? Immediately after being arrested by the police to ask for a thousand

dollars. You know, it just takes. Dicks too big. We brought this up last episode. Yeah. Dicks too fucking big. This is like, there is no reason for this level of confidence. There is no fucking reason for him to think that he is remotely correct. This is, it's just like, and it gives them the aud is this? It was so crazy. They were like, sure. Yeah, I guess. Kind of. Really? I mean, Gregory Diles, of course, immediately dropped down to his knees, put a gun to his

head. Eddie asked, you know, why shouldn't I blow your fucking brains out right now for talking to the cops? John Blufft, he said, somebody's like, I'm supposed to meet somebody. They know I'm here. I'm already late. If you kill me, they know that it's you who did it. And so fucking Eddie said, fine, come back in an hour

and look in the fucking mailbox. So John came back in an hour and in the mailbox, 500 bucks. Yeah. It's too nice. Too nice. He's too nice for all time's sake. It's definitely one of those things for all time's sake. He's so romantic.

And that was it. I guess actually many ways. I do truly. Yes, you really is. I also wonder if there's like, he's now, it's too far for John. John's fucked. As far as Eddie's concerned, John's fucked. We planted him at the scene.

Everybody knows. At this point, like, I'm actually fine because I'm only tangentially connected by you, a free-basing moron that is like talking to all these people. We're like, I am, I got here to this point of success in America by not being a fucking moron. And I'm faced with one. So yeah, I'll give you fucking $500 because I've already fucked you. Yeah. This is already done. And not only that, but John was asking for this

money so he could leave town. Sure. And, you know, for, you know, he's like, man, just just give me the money. You'll never see me again. No one will ever see me again. I'll never testify the cops will never find me. So on and so forth. Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob. Yeah. And John used the money to skip the state of California with Don. Unfortunately, Don's still in the picture at this point. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah.

At this point, she had left and come back. It's a hell of a, it's a fucking horrible relationship. Yeah. But that immediately put John on the FBI's 10 most wanted list in regards to questioning over a quadruple homicide. Eventually, the cops track John to a shitty motel in Miami. And when he opened the door, he was still half pretending to be Johnny Watt. He said, quote, I've been expecting you. I have to assholes. So the cops. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Technically, that's what David Berkowitz said. Yeah. He said, Oh, yeah, how to get so long. What took you so long? The John was tried for the one-demand murders, but the only evidence against him was the bloody hamprint above Ronnie's bed. They had to try to convict someone and John was all they had. Oh, yeah. But all the bloody hamprint proved was that John was

at the scene of the murder either during or after the act. And that was actually the argument they made. It's like, yeah, he was there, but why aren't the real perpetrators here? Why isn't Eddie Nash here? John was there. Yeah. And yeah, he made some mistakes. He's not the best person. I wouldn't be friends with John Curtis. Neither would you, but does that make him a murderer? I'm just a great public defender. I imagine it was a public defender. not even would you, but does that make him a murderer? I mean, if you create public defender, I imagine it was a public defender.

I definitely am public defender. It actually turned out, it's like a for a long time, because we can't find the name of the guy. It turned out that the public defender was just his dick. In a suit. In a suit. In a lawsuit. In a law book.

In a little afro on it. Yeah, just like his own little afro. It the yeah just like his own the lab for the always with an office all uh... and i too am surprised by these actions by john uh...

well based on this reasoning and the poultry amount of evidence homes is found not guilty but he did not guilty but even though his entire defense was eddie nash did it homes refused to testify before Grand jury to that fact because he believed that his life and the lives of his family members would be in danger

if he did so. That's a credible belief. Yes. Eventually though, Eddie Nash was arrested on drug charges. In fact, he had three raids upon his house. Every time turned up massive amounts of drugs, money, weapons, but Eddie was rich enough where he paid his bail every time. God damn.

Would finally kept him in jail though, where charges of racketeering, arson, and insurance fraud. Insurance fraud is where they definitely get you. That is where they get you. Always, always. Tax evasion. You think he made like an insurance claim on the raid? No, no. That's a business asset, that's a business move. During Eddie's drug trial, his lawyer actually tried claiming that the million dollars worth of coke in Eddie's house, it's not drug trafficking.

That's for personal news. I have a problem. Okay. This is the whole thing, man. You're just arriving here and a whole fucking thing. I mean, honestly, you hang out with them for a day and you could be convinced. Yeah. Okay. Wow. He buys and bulk. Even during that trial, Eddie would sneak out to his car to free base. Damn. Then he takes some quailudes to calm himself down and then he'd go back to his trial.

You know what it really is? It's just, it's the rat race. I'm sick of it. It's just the idea of going into court. High on cocaine. And then I guess slowed down by a quailude in the middle of all of this shit. I mean, I don't know. It's just altered.

It's just where you can completely, I guess ignore everything that's going on and just stare at the fucking table for the next six hours. Yes, because you say anything, you're fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have to kind of put yourself into an inholding position. Yeah. Yeah, they say most defendants are given tranquilizers during the trial, so they won't react

to anything. I want some fucking Zanax. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Eventually, Eddie Nash was sentenced to eight years in prison for the drug charges, the racketeering, arson, all that shit. But after just two, his sentence was reduced and he was released as time served because he had a sinus tumor that needed to be removed as the judge put it

quote, I wouldn't want to be operated on in San Quentin. It's terrible. Eddie, I love you. I need you to be doing well because, honestly, if you're not doing well, I'm not doing well. Eddie Nash, however, completely turned his life around. Yeah. He never returned to crime. And it wasn't caught for it. Yeah. Yeah. At least he said he was reformed. Yeah, he was never caught again. Yeah. But he was also completely broke because his fortune had been wiped out by his daughter of all people who scammed him out of millions of dollars through this huge, I can't even get into it. It's a fucking massive scam all on its own. Uh, but Eddie eaked out in existence for the time being. Wow. Oh, yeah. He, you know, it comes around. What happened to the dials? Dials, we'll get to dials in a second.

Okay, cool. Sorry, I didn't want to jump to God. No, it's fine. As far as Holmes went though, he served 11 months on an earlier theft charge plus 110 days for contempt for refusing to testify against Eddie Nash. The theft charge was, he had stolen a computer typewriter worth $8,000 and a cop found it in his car. And he told the cop that he found it in a dumpster. I just this guy is a

I just think he's not right. No, he didn't even probably know his computer. Yeah, absolutely not. He was a hum, who tar. Well, John Holmes was finally released in the early 80s with $100 and a Volkswagen beetle that was given to him by his lawyer. Well, that's a good lawyer. Yeah. John used that beetle to drive directly to the home of one of his old porn producers, Bill Amerson. Bill Amerson was actually the guy on whom the character of Jack Horner in Boogie Nights

was based on the character played by Bert Reynolds. Is that that big fat guy? Yes, that big fat guy. It's that big fat guy. Well, John had worked with Bill quite a bit since John's introduction into the porn business in 1969, but they'd of course fallen out when John's drug habit blew up everything. But in the years, since John had completely dropped out of the business, Bill Amerson had formed a production company called John Holmes Productions without John's knowledge or consent. Because porn performers were paid day rates, no matter how famous they were. They had no ownership over their

work, their image, anything. There was no big deals. No, no, no. But in a scene reminiscent to the conclusion of Boogie Knight's bill still had a room waiting for John Holmes in his own house. And therefore brought him back into the industry. He should have just, God, she just go buy a grocery store. Go go someplace else. Imagine trying to explain that to your wife. Yeah.

Oh yeah. I'm back in, baby. He's, it's John again. It's like, yay. John. Yeah, John. Great., it's John again. It's like, yay. John. Yeah, John. Great. Right. Yeah. And he's fresh off in a quiddle on a murder charge.

Yeah. Incredible. And he's like sweating a lot. And he's coughing a lot. He doesn't look too good. Mm-hmm. Now, because the Wonderland murder has been such a big news story, John Holmes had officially become a mainstream celebrity. So he used his notoriety as fuel to power a comeback, right as the videocasset boom truly set pornography on the path to becoming a $12 billion industry. That's how much porn makes today.

By 1983, John Holmes was actually sober. He stayed sober for the rest of his life and he'd moved in with a 19 year old porn actress named Misty Don whom he'd met while filming a porn who called Flesh Pond, which I'm sure was of the fine fucker in the ass variety. Yeah, I'm looking nice. Yeah, eventually John and Misty would marry.

Oh, no. Yeah, exactly. This is yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, this is a member of our audience. You can find love. You can find love. Now, it seemed like John's life was turning around, but in the mid 80s, John Holmes contracted HIV right when the disease was starting

to become known to the mainstream media. Now, the company that John worked for had actually instituted a testing policy that everyone agreed to. This is actually much to the company's surprise worked for had actually instituted a testing policy that everyone agreed to. This was actually much to the company's surprise because some porn actors at the time were refusing to be tested because they said it violated their civil rights. Good Lord. And as it was, even those who got tested used fake names, John Holmes, for example, tested

under the name, guess the name. Um, Peter North. Yeah. I'm incredible. Um, Peter North. Yeah. I'm incredible. That's how you do it. That's a very, very, very, know what's a good core name though, honestly, George Washington. That's it. We need to get that back in. Yeah. George Washington stone. Yeah. George Washington stone. Remember how, do you ever hear what Ricky Henderson,

his fake name, whatever he would like, check into a hotel because Ricky Henderson is very full of himself. Of course. A lot of cocaine, you know, you always talk to him self in the third person. Yeah. But whenever he checked into a hotel, his fake name was Richard Pryor. That's very fun because he thought that no one knew Richard Pryor was. Yeah. It's very fun. The John tested negative the first time he took an HIV test, but he soon after sort of showing signs of infection, his ears began to bleed, which is doctor somehow blamed on John's ears and the army. Yeah, it turns out he was always allergic to tanks. And his penis. That's the problem. It's a mortar. It's a mortar fever. And his penis would break out into a rash

and bleed if he had sex long. Jesus fucking Christ. God. Finally though, when everything in his body started falling apart, John tested again and came up positive, making John Holmes the first well-known person in the porn industry to be diagnosed with HIV. They say he was the first in the industry diagnosed with HIV, but I am sure he was not the first. He was just the first they knew about. Yeah, it was the first that didn't go missing. Yeah. And he was, they made him the first for the story itself. Well, the porn industry did not make him the first. Well, according to Holmes's widow, though, she believed that someone in the secret service

injected John with an AIDS needle during a trip to Washington, DC on the direct orders of Ronald Reagan in a bid to help destroy the porn industry from the inside out. You know, honestly, I would agree, but it wasn't Ronald. It was Nancy. She's the one who does it. She's the one who had been doing that. She had access to the needles.

Yes. She made up eights. She invented it at the White House, her, the CIA, John Kennedy, who didn't die. But regardless, and arguably John's most cowardly move yet, his company released a statement that his bad health was caused by colon cancer. He kept performing in films with full knowledge that he had HIV. He made 12 more movies. I heard about this.

Yeah. No, what a lunatic. What a, it's like really just like the, it might be the worst thing you did. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. It's between that and trafficking the 15 year old girl. Yes. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. It's between those two things. It's really just kind of neck and neck. Yeah. No. Well, the way he figured it, and he actually wrote this in his book as a defense, if his fellow performers didn't get AIDS from him, they were likely to get it from somebody else. That's, that doesn't make any, yeah.

Well, he figured if he had it, then everybody had it. It's very nihilistic. That's the, it's very, it's very selfish. It's just, it's just fucking justifying your own actions. But incredibly, to the best of my knowledge, maybe you know different. Nobody in the industry contracted HIV from John Holmes. I don't know. I come on.

You just, I mean, nobody came forward at the very least. Yes. No one came forward. No one has said that this was directly connected to it. But we don't know. And he did, I mean, he did have scenes with some, while he was positive, he had some scenes with some very, he had scenes with Tracy Lords.

Yeah, very famous people. Very, very famous people. Yeah. And it's so crazy. Now, do you think like, is it like, do you think he got a probe the gay porn? No, I mean, I don't know.

Actually, no one knows. It's a, it's kind of a mystery as to where he got it. But most likely, yeah, the gay porn, the private, the private life of John Holmes is probably where he got it. And we really think it was sober at this point too. I mean, yeah, I mean, by all accounts, but he was pretty sober. I said he was fine.

You know, at that point, yeah. But even more insane than that is the fact the porn industry completely denied the cause of John's death from age-related complications when it finally happened in a VA hospital in 1988. Yeah, see, it was such a dirty fucking business. They probably just disappeared you or you just HIV or you walked away from it yourself. And they basically said, get the living fuck out of here. It's maybe, you know, it was a very cruel time for this. Yeah.

But as John was laying on that death bed, he was visited one last time by detective laying because laying was still trying to get Eddie Nash for the Wonderland murders. See Booper, Scott Forson. Love that, mate. Oh, yeah, yeah, he loved it. Booper, Booper, Booper. It's again, Pat, I mean, he's a dog. He's a little dog that looks like Liberace.

Yeah. Since he's terrifying. Is he still around? Scott Thorson, I bully, he has to be dead. I don't know. I think he might still be. I feel like he has to say it was something. 64 year young.

Wow. He's still doing it. Yeah. My dear. God, he should go on tour. I know he doesn't know how to play the piano. Get one of those ghost pianos. But I can definitely, I can identify a piano.

That's your piano. That's your Konga drum. Thank Scott. Scott Thorsten made a deal with the police to testify in exchange for clemency on a drug charge. Who will remember, Thorsten was free-basing with Eddie Nash when Holmes was brought into Nash's house by his hair. And Thorsten claimed that Eddie's bodyguard Gregory Diles was sent to the Wonderland house with John Holmes to get revenge. In this scenario, John probably

covered the Wonderland gang with the Magnum ball Gregory Diles beat them to death one by one or Diles met more of Nash's men at the scene. Either way, dials and homes went to Wonderland together. Okay. But of course, John refused to get involved even at the end of his life. And he died a month after Detective Lang's plea. Just before dying though,

John made one last request to his wife. Was it to get a priest to come and help me with my way to heaven? No, it was not that. He asked her to view his naked body right before it was rolled into the cremation chamber just so she could make sure that nobody had cut off his dick and had it for themselves. Sounds like it was about to fall off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Apparently, and this is corroborated by both Don and Sharon, John had a lifelong fear of someone cutting off his cock after his death as a keepsake side show or medical curiosity. Like they gave it with Rasputin for Venus. They thought they did. Well, thought they did. Yeah. I was going to say they should have gave it its own coffin. Yeah. It's on tombstone. gave it its own coffin. It's own tombstone. That was the only part of him that was successful. His penis was the only thing that worked in any way, shape or form in his life. The only thing that made people happy, you know, everything else was awful.

But nobody touched the thing. And after the cremation, John's ashes were scattered out over the ocean. As far as Eddie Nash went, he and Gregory Diles were both tried in 1988 for the Wonderland murders based on Scott Thorsten's testimony just six months after John's death. Both men, however, were found not guilty, which technically makes the Wonderland murders an open case to this day. That's one of the only cases we've ever covered that has a fucking no, this is unsolved case technically, even though we kinda kinda know what's going on, but we definitely know what happened.

But this whole fucking story is just so fucking, I'm so glad it's again, I'm so glad it's not me. That's what the fucking detective, what is it? Lang, he said like, yeah, people fucking always act like these Wonderland murders, it's like some fucking big mystery, like it's aliens, a big photo, some shit like that. We know fucking dead it. We know fucking dead who's fucking Eddie Nash.

He's so mad about it. Actually, I was looking at some of these evidence. What if it's the Loch Ness Monster? Yeah, I didn't hear Detective Creepy. Imagine the size of dials gloves. They were baseball knits. Carpage pass garbage pack. Well, thank you so much, Eddie.

Thank you so much. Hey, we're doing this shit. Thank you guys so much for listening. This has been it. We did it. John Holmes and the Wonderland murders were coming back next week with another fucking true crime series, which we're super excited about. Yeah, more like historical true crime, but like, but like recent history, we're going back to the 70s for this shit.

Yeah. I'm fucking wait. This has been something that we've been waiting to do for a long time. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Very excited for it. And yes, murder fish show. Right. Will you please come check out murder fest? We are in Los Angeles, Dynasty typewriter, September 22nd and 23rd. Right now, I believe the 23rd still got tickets. The 22nd's got tickets, 23rd sold out. Just check it out, Dynasty typewriter, Los Angeles, 20 years in the making.

20 fucking years. It is gonna, you're gonna see a bunch of dudes not used to fucking slam dancing anymore doing that. Literally, we have to all stretch, and we have to do all. We gotta really take care of ourselves. I've learned these. Yes, you want me to do the work. I do.

I don't think it's gonna happen, but I might try it. Come on. I don't want you to. It is the last sketch, maybe. So maybe even if I hurt myself, the show's over. Yeah, I know it's over. It's called the show's over, but life continues. Yeah, it's a dumb reshaddle.

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