Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 547: Jeffrey MacDonald Part I - Acid is Groovy, Kill the Pigs

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

Henry & Marcus are joined by Ed Larson of The Brighter Side podcast for part I of a case that remains one of the most litigated murder cases in American criminal history, the grizzly tale of US Army Captain turned Family Annihilator - Jeffrey MacDonald, who was convicted of slaying of his pregnant wife and two daughters, while stationed in Fort Bragg, North Carolina in the winter of 1970.

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Oh, no longer around today. We're talking about family annihilator Jeffrey McDonald. Oh, McDonald. This is for all the toddler listeners out there. Hey, honestly, the toddler true crime reach is getting more amazing. I mean, I can't believe the PR. I think there's a whole thing that's called Manson for babies. Yeah. Good for them to understand.

Yeah, just before we started, we were talking about shapes for a while. Yeah, I get into it. Yeah, exactly. Get into a toddler. And we stress like an Easter egg apparently. I like the shit. You look like the, uh, what they've modeled peeps after. Get out of here. Get out of the studio. You look like a cop that fell asleep at a poker party and woke up

with his hair blue. Did that come with a bunch of costume wings? You never met me. No, while you may have never heard of them, Jeffrey McDonald was one of the most infamous and imaginative family annihilators of his time. I'm glad you called them imaginative. He was. He deserves that credit.

In February of 1970, Jeffrey murdered his pregnant wife and two young daughters in a frenzied andphetamine fueled rage that involved two knives, a wooden club, and a single ice pick. Oh, look at all my props. Honestly, we're doing the murder fish show right now. We're working on the murder fish show and it's kind of crazy running around with props again. Oh, it feels great, man.

I've literally been texting people like, you have a connoisseur bar. But unlike many family annihilators, Jeffrey McDonald escaped justice for nearly a decade and in fact reveled in the celebrity that quote unquote surviving the brutal murder of his family brought him. They didn't even touch me. He really is so proud of. In many ways, I think it's say it's weird hearing his testimony. We're like in his own head. He is a hero.

He kind of forgets about the entire family altogether. And it's more just been like, let me see an amazing that I survived. You always had to make himself look good. And that celebrity, of course, came because Jeffrey created a damn good story to tell. And he actually acted as his own booking agent to tell that story to whatever media outlet was willing to listen and those media outlets were Legion. Oh yeah, if you're a super talkative murderer, nobody loves it more. Because of camera. Well, they, they loved the tension and he just wanted all of it and they were ready to take whatever he would give them

It's just like you got a brag about killing someone. It shouldn't be kids, you know You should be like a formidable opponent. No, it should have been fresh from the sand so the you will gene See cover up his crimes Jeffrey claimed his home was invaded by four hippies who might have been Sataness You never know although he couldn't be for sure his crimes, Jeffrey claimed his home was invaded by four hippies who might have been Satanist. You never know, although he couldn't be for sure. They then murdered his family one by one with all the fervor of the Manson family, mysteriously leaving Jeffrey a trained green beret with little more than a bump on the head and a punctured lung, a lightly punctured lung.

Now since the Manson family murders have occurred just the previous summer, what? A lightly punctured. Because I thought about punctured long, I think I die. Yeah, it's just like, I feel like you know, when you poke the skin of a baked potato, you're going to put it in the oven. Yeah, let out some air. Now, Daryl, one of his interrogations, one of the cops is like, I've seen a man get shot in a heart by a 38 slug and run a hundred yards. And yet you get taken down by a lightly punctured log. I don't get to understand how important my lungs are to my athletic performance. The since the Manson family murders had occurred just the previous summer, the psycho hippie

story was accepted by the public for years and could very well have contributed to the satanic panic that began in the late 70s and reached a fever pitch a decade later. But contrary to public opinion, investigators knew that Jeffrey was their man immediately. And although it took a few years, Jeffrey's in-laws came to believe that he was guilty as well. Together, they eventually brought Jeffrey to justice. He brought everyone together. These family and eyelators, man, they're such buses. Yeah, yeah, yeah, be a real man and leave.

Yeah, man, you know, so many times, which has been like, and I'll say it again directly in the camera, if you're thinking about it for a second, it's just so much easier to just get on a bus and go fucking anywhere else. Go be gay. Do it, please, please be gay. They're empty. The bank account. It's okay.

Yeah, it's bad. But just get the fuck out of there because then you don't, you know, you just don't then kill your family. Yeah, or get a punctured lung. Yeah. It's a part of the fight. You don't have to puncture your own lung. This is why I'm going to adopt, you know, because if I snap, I'm not killing my kids. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha exonerating Jeffrey McDonald of all criminal wrongdoing. But as time went on, it became glaringly obvious to McGinnis that McDonald was guilty.

So McGinnis instead wrote the most extensive account of a family annihilator ever written, exquisitely detailing the murders, the investigations, the trial, and the years in between that led to McDonald's conviction. And that guy, the one thing about this piece of shit, Jeffrey McDonald, is that he sticks to his bad story by the letter every single time. I mean, I said, he was on fucking a full on true crime documentary about himself. He was a talking head on his own murder fucking documentary. He was on Larry King live, saying the same dumb horrible story, and again, but I guess that's how you do it. You have to stick to it. Yeah, that is that is the one thing that that's probably why you got away with it for so long.

I mean, I don't know what he's trying to get at this point, but I also don't know what he's trying to lose because he's now, you know, spoiler alert, life in prison, no parole. Oh, he's like, there's nothing to gain here for him to stick to the story. Yeah. It's his own brand. That's great. These evil fucks won't die. No, the craziest thing. The eviler you are, the longer you live. It's everybody who fuels everything that gets fucking ground up in the goddamn machine.

Now to put it simply, Jeffrey McDonald was a dick born in Queens in 1943. Jamaica. Now it was where I was born. You were born in Jamaica, Queens. Yeah. My wife was born. Carolyn was born in Jackson Heights. Badges. That's my city. I got lost there when I missed a train one. So it's a nightmare. It's bad. Lots of places you could buy a live chicken. I remember that. Oh, yeah. I was always I was always baffled and excited throughout the years living in New York Just like when you turn a corner and like wow, I can buy a live chicken here. No. Why was it more expensive than a cook chicken? Because what seriously you wonder why? Because the chickens it's more tasty when it's alive As soon as you fucking kill it, then you eat it immediately. That's one thing. Also, like you can have foot eggs, right?

So that's a business venture. Okay. You know, now you've become a dairy farm for some reason in a fucking railroad apartment in the middle of Brooklyn. But I was just in Tampa and it was the same thing. All night long with the roosters. There ever is. It's like, and I mean it.

They don't just do it in the morning, man. It's up forever. They do it. Oh, fucking it. They don't just do it in the morning man. It's up forever. Big to it. Oh, fucking night. All night. Okay. Yeah, you know, give me sort of sleeping pills out your window. No, it's for me. A Jeffrey was a born narcissist. He was charming superficially, but once someone got close, Jeffrey would ruin relationships by getting into fights with anyone who didn't do things Jeffrey's way. Now, his home life growing up wasn't necessarily traumatic, but it was definitely strained and without a doubt toxic.

His father was a domineering, terrifying man who was so obsessed with masculinity that he wouldn't even touch or hug his children out of a fear that expressing love of any kind might be seen as feminine or worse for him. And I find it really funny because Eddie had a very similar growing up fashion, right? But it just allowed him to then take his own wife's name in the wedding ceremony so it actually he failed. You know, but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, and I had my little beret. You wrote poetry and had a beret as a child? Yeah, I had. There was so much, there was so much more than sex. You wrote poetry and had a beret as a child. Yeah, I had so much. There was so much more than sex. It was romance and drama. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I spoke weed. See, before McGinnis switched the perspective of his book from possibly innocent to definitely guilty, he had a long correspondence with Jeffrey McDonald, in which Jeffrey bragged and obsessed over his coxmanship, going into full detail about every sexual experience that made him look like a sexual dynamo. You have to do 69 when you're six and nine.

Tellingly though, the woman he chose for his wife, Collette Stevenson, was not sexually adventurous nor sexually driven in any way whatsoever. Though the woman he chose for his wife, Collette Stevenson, was not sexually adventurous, nor sexually driven in any way whatsoever. In fact, it seemed as if sex terrified Collette. From the moment she and Jeffrey began dating, a long history of cheating began that did not end until Collette was dead and was therefore no longer in a position to be cheated on. Yeah. Where do you get this information?

From Jeffrey. This was from this was specifically from this was from Jeffrey's letters to Joe McGuinness. I guess that makes it. I was reading his Wikipedia page. It was like a ninth grade. He dated so so I was like, what the fuck? It's because he did nothing, but not shut his fucking yapper. Yeah. Like all he did was talk about himself and his crimes and all this shit over and over and over and over. Well, he talked about not doing his crimes. Yes. Yes. That's the thing. He constantly talks about his story. But yeah, it was like the, Joe McGuinness saying it's just like page after page after page of sexual conquests

and obsessing over how sexually competent he was. Also, you could see similarities in, I don't know if we'll ever cover it just because one day maybe the Chris Watts story right where you could see how again the whole kickoff to him killing his entire family was because he met a new chick and he wanted to move on with the quote unquote clean slate man in that like a lot of people obviously kind of in many ways you think about that like why like what like it's that's where the we're like his like Like what like it's that's where the weird like his like mental illness like comes in. That's what the glibness of psychopathy means where every decision is basically weighed exactly the same. Instead of thinking, he did not think of killing

his family is this crazy traumatic thing. He viewed it as a problem solving mechanism that can just be done. And then I just move on to this new life. As if you were not even thinking that they that would be like traumatic to himself because this person does not feel anything. Yeah. And even then, I think that's given him a little bit a little bit more credit and deserves as we'll soon get into. Oh yes. But as far as why Jeffrey chose Collette as his wife, he actually liked a shy,

timid woman who lacked self confidence because if she relied on him completely, he could easily feed the toxic masculinity complex that was passed down from his father. But all throughout Jeffrey's correspondence with Joe McGinnis, Jeffrey made sure to say again and again, how in love he and his wife were. Oh, yeah, we were popping off. But these true. But these proclamations were always in the superficial context of how passionate their lovemaking was, how they loved each other so much That they do it in public how they couldn't keep their hands off each other and so on and so forth

It was never about who she was why he loved her nothing like that You know how many times a day I lose my wedding ring and that little coin hold it inside the jeans. I'm always in it I'm always in it. At the same time, though, Jeffrey actively made fun of his wife in his correspondence with Joe McGinnis. And this was while Jeffrey was claiming to be a grieving widow or still searching for the quote unquote, real killers. He wrote quote, she's left handed, you know, and so she was, you know, she had this funny looking shot in the basketball court or whatever.

And she could dribble only kind of intermittentlyably well. Like sometimes both hands dumb. She's very feminine, pretty, yeah. And say, it's so it's a distress to see you with the hair, you know, I will squaggle you and sweating and grunting and complaining about the pain of the. He's a fucking direct quote, direct fucking quote. It's so great. That's clearly one toxic Irishman thinking he's talking to another one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Is that like that's just called like if sports bar was a flavor. Yeah. Make it funny or wife for not like being able to play basketball is like make it funny your wife for not being able to like nail an offense post. We just showed this. Yeah. We just showed us all this fucking bullshit. your wife and her not being able to like nail an offense post. Where's your shoulders? Yeah, which is shoulders and all this fucking bullshit. You can do that cross-body stuff. She could barely kick a field goal.

But all of that supposedly passionate sex eventually resulted in a pregnancy out of wedlock, which quickly gave rise to a marriage in September of 1963, remembering the birth of his first child, Jeffrey wrote, quote, the baby quite honestly, to me, she didn't look very pretty. Everyone kept saying what a pretty baby came he was and she was cute. Yeah, but she wasn't like, you know, like an elegant looking baby. That's quote, that is not a joke for me. That's funny.

Is it like, it's not until I finally hear you say it in the accent that I see how fucking Queens this guy Like the word like elegant looking like that fucking Queens way of putting it Well, because you know what it and also it's certain words Intermittently It sounds like gangsters that got dictionaries in jail Reading law books that have to kind of figure out how to communicate legally. How do you make a baby look elegant?

Do you just cover it in caviar? Honestly. Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Jeffrey was already pre-med and he enrolled in Northwestern Medical School following

the wedding. Another baby, Kristen, came in 1967, but soon after, Jeffrey suddenly decided that he wanted to join the army and the Green Berets specifically so he could fulfill his patriotic duty fighting the godless communists and Vietnam. Godless communists. You know what's funny? I found his high school quote. What was it? Jeffrey Robert Mac Donald. He's full of fun. Plus noise and them. There's really no one quite like him.

That's why he wanted to be a green break. Yeah. Yeah, all green braids are filled with them. I think them is like, yeah, that's what that's what got us on the bin Laden. So he, so he fought in nom. No, he didn't make it. We'll get to that here in a second. Okay. See, Jeffrey felt that it was an American's duty to unquestionably obey the president. And he further felt that Congress was filled with left wing liberals who didn't have the sense to see what the real patriots already understood.

Vietnam needed to be defended or else all of Southeast Asia would fall to the red menace. You can't even imagine the horrors of a Russian Vietnam. Beats being put into goddamn spring rolls. Can you even fucking imagine? I can't, I can't tell it. Thinking about Vietnam. The Colette didn't want to be an army wife at all. Oh, I get it. I get it. Think about being a... The Colette didn't want to be an army wife at all. Nor did she relish the thought of her husband becoming a participant in a potentially deadly

shooting war, even if he was going in as a surgeon. Jeffrey, however, found a way to shallowly attach his decision to join the Green Berets to sex, saying that he didn't mind the idea going into the service because colette didn't have sex with them enough anyway. I can't even imagine going to you want to go be a professional killer because you're not getting away. Yeah. Or it didn't matter.

Like I don't need to what what do I need a wife around for? She's not fucking me anyway. But in the end, Jeffrey did not go to Vietnam. Instead he was assigned to Fort Bragg and North Carolina outside of Fayetteville. Thank you. That's Fayetteville. I got stuck at Fayetteville once. Oh, I was on a Greyhound bus

and the thing stopped moving and we were in Fayetteville for like a day and a half and I was just walking around. I was on my way from Tallahassee to New Jersey. So I thought I was Jesus. That's literally the worst bus ride I've ever heard. Tallahassee to Jersey. Atlantic City of all. Here inside a home at 554 Castle Drive, Jeffrey's five-year-old daughter and two-year-old toddler

would meet their grizzly ends along with his pregnant wife. Now as far as mode of ghost for annihilating his family, it's kind of hard to pinpoint exactly what Jeffrey McDonald was thinking. They're fucking with my money. It was obvious from his constant cheating that he didn't want to be tethered to a family. And it's often the case that a man who kills everyone who depends on him is looking for a clean slate. You don't get one though. Slate is then dirtied. Yes, yes. However, it is very possible that McDonald turned

a mere fantasy of freedom into a gruesome reality during a split second decision amidst an end-bedamine fueled rage. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's a pretty extensive murder. And it took a lot, we'll, you know, we'll get into more of the details of it, but it took a long time. I know I have my theories.

I definitely have my theories as far as why I do believe that it was an infetamine field and why it was a fantasy very suddenly come to life. Yeah, man. It was a camel meal, fuels. Yeah. It was like, oh, or watch it murder. She wrote fuels. Yeah. See, Jeffrey McDonald wrote in a diary in early 1970 that he'd been taking a diet He was like, oh, or watch it murder. She wrote fuel.

See, Jeffrey McDonald wrote in a diary in early 1970 that he'd been taking a diet pill called Escatrol to lose weight. Man, it all starts with being skinny. Well, it wasn't that he wanted to be skinny. It's that he wanted to drop weight because he was a boxer at the time or something like that. He's trying to drop weight to make it down to the lower weight class. I think that's what it was He had a lot of different explanations for why he was taking an extremely dangerous Fucking diet pill because as opposed to other diet pills that were straight meth amphetamines Eschatrol included both dextro amphetamine and Prochlor Parasene. Yep. Prochlor Parasene. Can you say jump juice?

It's fucking scientists showing off with the names of their medicines. They just say what? They speak in colloquial. Yeah, yeah, jump juice. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, there's that, no, the Prochlor Parasene,

that was, that was in jump juice. That was a, that was a down drop. Oh. Yeah, because the first is basically speed, which is what almost all diet pills were back then. Yeah, but that second ingredient That was an anti-psychotic. That should have helped. Yeah, it didn't work Wait a second. There was an anti-psychotic in a diet medication. Yes. Wow Go crazy for losing weight

God, no, you're crazy before. Yeah And by 1980 studies had proven that escatrol was an incredibly dangerous drug that functioned as both an upper and a downer because it contained both an emphetamine and an anti-psychotic. Yeah. That's it. It's filled normal. You're taking it. You're still normal. You gotta get right in the middle. I'm somewhere between fucking get skinny and feeling like I made of actual flames. Well, this of course created dangerously unstable individuals. It was so dangerous that its manufacturer took it off the market in 1980, even though it was making a profit of $6 million a year, which is incredible when you consider that you

can still be prescribed oxy in this country. Oh my God. It's fucking insane. These still all kinds of shit is on the market, especially back then. I remember I used to take this stuff called the Andro's team, which was new as a kid. Well, didn't your dad like, because you did like, it's not steroids. That's what this is.

It was like, it turned out it was steroids. And like, they took it off the market. But like, not before like, you go to GNC, like, oh, we're taking it off the market. turned out it was steroids. Like they took it off the market, but like not before like, you go to GNC and like, oh, we're taking it off the market. Better buy it all down. You know, so we had it all because it was like legal. You know, so I'm like, taking fucking meanwhile, Mark McWire is the spokesman.

You know, I'm out of the football field. Take a handfuls of grass and put them in my mouth. I just keep you normal. Also, apparently, I'm looking this up right here, Jimmy Buffett talks about Escatrol in his song called Fool Button. Right? And it gets apparently,

that the tone is, is that if you mix it with a bottle of rum, it's gonna make you act foolishly to have a good time. Sure. Come on. Jimmy Buffett became a billionaire off of being lazy. Yeah.

After like creating toxic stepfather culture, being afraid of a man that's in your house half the week. No, best. Eschatrol caused insomnia, restlessness, nervousness, and dizziness. But in several studies, it was proved that in large doses, Eschatrole could cause psychosis and insanity. Oh my God. See, the recommended dosage of Eschatrole was one pill a day. But as far as Jeffrey McDonald's consumption went,

he was taking three to five Eschatrole pills a day in the weeks leading up to his family's murder. You don't think I heard his bellie? Mm. That was my bell. You'll bellie? Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess he'sie. Bowie. Oh, my Bowie. Oh, your Bowie. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess he's not eating.

Yeah. I guess he's just not in there to hurt his Bowie. Yeah, that's nice. They should have a tip off, and he was drawing little horns on himself in the mirror. There I am. This was of course possible, because Jeffrey was a doctor who could prescribe these pills to himself. That's important.

Oh, I think for the audience to understand, this man is a doc. He's a surgeon specifically. He's a surgeon. I know I've known a lot of crazy surgeons. We've covered a lot of crazy doctors because sometimes I think to do the job, right? In many ways, you have to kind of look at us like walking hunk to meet.

Right now, you're gonna view us as just a pile of tubes. And you gotta pick out, you gotta, you gotta clean out the tubes, you gotta fucking get our juice out of us, is just a pile of tubes. Yeah. And you got to pick out, you got to, you got to clean out the tubes. You got to fucking get our juice out of us all the fucking bullshit. They don't give a shit. Yeah. Cause if you care, you might fuck up. Yeah. It'll be emotional.

You kind of have zero emotion. That's why they all think they're gods. That's right. I got doctors in my family. You know, they are gods. Yeah. They pay for everything. Thank you, Dr. Netty.

The three to five pills a day, Jeffrey would have likely suffered from irritability, I pay for everything. Thank you, Dr. Daddy. Three to five pills a day, Jeffrey would have likely suffered from irritability, hyperactivity, confusion, hallucinations, panic states, assaultiveness, and finally full psychosis. Oh my God, it's his incredible improv rap skills. And all of this checks out because peers and neighbors noticed during those few weeks that he would work 24 hour shifts followed by full days at the office. Then he'd clock out, go and play basketball for a little while, and then take his little girls out to feed their pony all without resting or sleeping or stopping.

They went great. Hey, guys, go in here. Yo, it's fucked up. This pony doesn't even want to play a horse with me. That's hilarious. Let's go go everybody wake up. It's Christmas is early. Come on. Imagine buying a pony for someone and then murdering them. I think it's like a Murdoch family story. Oh, sorry. In addition, Jeffrey would have shown abnormal cardiovascular reactions like chillness and headaches, and these symptoms were both clearly exhibited when Jeffrey was examined by doctors

on the night of the murders. And considering how Jeffrey murdered his family seemingly on a whim, maybe, maybe, it's safe to say that Jeffrey was most likely suffering from something called chronic and fetamine Psychosis. Oh my god. In other words, he turned himself into a dangerous and reactive meth head But he did lose 15 pounds in three weeks. There you go. Wow. He's gonna be incredible for the family reunion I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid.

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I'm not going to be a kid. I mean, because then you, how many family on the Nailators are we've talked about this? I want to save them from the embarrassment of my crimes. But you hear that a lot. Like, I mean, I don't want them to deal with what I did to everything else or just like, it's a lot of times because we see with family Nailators, there is a money faction, especially with the men who do it, where I like the idea of a change in status. And then it's always about like, family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family, in the family,

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psychopath in his amphetamine fueled rage exploded around 3.40 a.m. on February 17, 1970. We'll take it back. Take it back. Take it back. No, that's early. Three minutes. Got it. For some people late.

One of the. No, on the night in question, a 911 dispatcher received a call from Jeffrey who weekly and performatively said quote, is this 911? Is it? Yes. Five 54 castle drive help. Help. Five 54 castle drive.

Stabbing. That's all. Is Henry okay? Yeah. I'm just that good. Since the McDonald's lived within Fort Bragg, it was the military police who showed up at their house. And within 10 minutes, a dozen MPs arrived to find the front door locked and the blind

strong on a dead silent home. Things look safe here. Let's go back. They soon discovered, however, that the back door was open. And upon entering the house, they found a crime scene that would have put Richard Chase to shame. They first found Jeffrey's white collette, laying on her back on the floor in the master bedroom.

One eye was open, one arm was extended over her head, her face was battered, and she was covered in blood. Draped over a part of her chest was a torn and bloodstained blue pajama top. But once the top was lifted, the MPs saw the full extent of what had been done. Collette had been stabbed nine times in the neck, seven times in the chest with a knife, and 21 times in the chest with an ice pick. She'd been hit in the head with a wooden club of some sort six times, but not before both of her arms have been broken

while trying to defend herself from the blows. And normally when you see something like that, you assume, I mean, truly, like, it's a rage, this is a rage-based crime. Mm-hmm. But as a final indignity and in service of the narrative that Jeffrey planned on pushing, the fetus and coletzwum had been removed.

Ah! Yes, yeah, leave it in! No, just leave it in! For what? Um, no, because again, it's him setting his story. Yes, he's setting a scene here. He's telling a story. But before coletz injuries were fully assessed,

MPs had to roll off Jeffrey McDonald himself. He was found face down on Collette's chest with an arm wrapped around her neck, motionless, and wearing blue pajama. Bottom! Oh! Okay, okay, okay. Next to the couple on the Bloodsoke rug was a small pairing knife, but the most interesting clue in regards to the future narrative was a single word written in letters eight inches high in blood on the headboard.

Pig. And you could see it first to like, is that pug? Oh my god, is this a puppy-based cry? Hold on, this guy hates cops. That, I mean, again, so worst, worst way to do this. Yeah. Yeah. Now, before all that could be processed, Jeffrey began moaning that someone needed to

check on his kids because he'd heard them crying. That, of course, was when the true horror was discovered. Stepping into five-year-old Kimberly's room, an MP found that the little girl laid dead from having her skull bashed in by the same club that had broken her mother's arms. That, however, wasn't the end of it because Jeffrey either wanted his story to be credible or he was in the throes of the aforementioned psychotic rage. This is again, we'll kind of go back and forth on this because prolonged rage, as far as I don't know, I don't know how long does an episode

like this last. At what point does some form of rationality come in and then you have to sort of like figure out a plan in the middle or is it at the end? I actually do. I have a theory as to the exact point in which it changed from rage to plan. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It has to at some point. Oh, yeah.

See, after Kimberly had been smashed in the head so severely as to cause instant death. Thankfully, she was additionally stabbed in the neck several times with the ice pick with some of the stabs being so deep that they went all the way through to the other side. The last to check on was the two-year-old Kirsten in the scene in her room. She was fine. Holded in a knife in a machine gun. No, no less horrific. Rather than being beaten, she'd been stabbed 16 times with both a paring knife found on the bloody rug in the master bedroom and with the ice pick. But in this room was another clue, although this one was real and not staged. Since there was obviously more blood than you can even imagine in every room, there was a single

bloody footprint made by an adult. The footprint, however, was bare, making it easily matched to whoever had been in that room. Meanwhile, as each grizzly scene was being discovered, Jeffrey was speaking to the MPs back in the bedroom. See, Jeffrey had already implemented the first part of his plan by writing pig in blood on his own headboard. Yeah, because they, you know, this is what 1970. So the Manson crimes happened in 1969. So you, it's immediately a reference that everybody, it's like, kind of understands which is in in a way I mean, that makes it a bad plan. Mm-hmm. Because he's he's he's Carlos Mincea Another group murder. I wrote pig on my headboard just so I know where to sleep Well, of course. Yeah, for those of you versed in true climb lore

This is an obvious reference to the Madsen family murders Specifically it referenced the crime scene at Sharon Tate's home, in which the exact same word was written in the exact same spot. But now that the pig graffiti had been noticed and Jeffrey was quote unquote, coming to my memory. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha He weekly and again, performatively said that his family had been attacked by four hippies.

Yeah. And one of them, a woman, kept chanting two phrases over and over again. As it is groovy, kill the pigs, as it's groovy, kill the pigs, over and over and over. As it's groovy, kill the pigs. All right, put a beat on there. This is groovy, kill the pigs. As it is groovy, kill the pigs. Kill the kids. Arsad is grooming. We've done a lot of acid.

I've never been in the, I mean, I've, I guess I've done that. I've never really been that way. I guess on like hallucinogens where you say they're going to be like, man, this is goofy. Like I've never had that. I know the one, the first time I did acid, I was sitting in the front porch of my buddy's house. It was like my birthday. It was like, I think I was 20 years old or whatever.

And I remember sitting there and we were both looking at each other and it was like, finally understand tie dye. Like it makes sense. I've been plenty of times and I've been on hallucinogens and just suddenly thought like, man, I'm having a really good time right now. I guess if this isn't nice, I don't know what is. Yeah. Cravenigan.

Yes, that's right. You know last time I said, uh, acid is groovy, kill the pigs. I was at a barbecue festival. Yeah. You got it. Incredibly, Jeffrey sticks to this idiotic claim to this day because even by 1970, like fucking nobody said the word groovy anymore. Like outside of like Scooby-Doo, nobody said groovy.

It was like saying trail. Yeah, now nobody says trail now. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, ashtray groovy, that was cool. Yeah, that's cool, but that was 30 years later. It's right. And that was 30 years ago. Hmm, actually I think it was 20 years later

and 30 years ago. Jesus fucking crazy. Oh yeah, man, that's a lot of fun to think about. I don it was 20 years later and 30 years ago. Jesus fucking crazy. Oh, yeah, man. That's a lot of fun to think about. I don't want to talk about it. And yet Groovy was the word Jeffrey chose again and again in relation to his attacker's vocabulary. After a quote unquote passing out for a second, prompting an MP to give Jeffrey mouth to mouth, he very quickly tried pushing his way past saying that he had to go check on his kid. Oh, just full on kissing this military police. Oh, sorry, I was in it.

I should have been in care. Yeah, he should do a couple more on me. Have you ever tried to do mouth to dick? But when he stood up, he looked down at Collette's body and set down the next plank of his story. He said, quote, Jesus Christ, look at my wife. I'm gonna kill these goddamn acid heads. I don't know why in the hell I fuck with them.

I'm not gonna help them anymore. What? Yeah, I don't know either. He's setting a scene. He's planting seeds. You're healing me? I know it's right in this town. Don't know he did he's setting a scene. He's planting sea. You're healing me No one's writing this down

Well, after someone composing himself Jeffrey said that there were foreign truters two white guys a black guy and a white woman With long blonde hair wearing a floppy hat and high boots holding a candle Yeah, cuz he's got to get that cult angle in there. Yeah, there's crazy. Yeah, he's got to make it spooky. All of them though, we're wearing distinctively hippie style clothing. You know how it is. It's like macrame, a lot of tassels. You know, one of them says, I saw the top of a butt.

And it's just, I don't know what believe. But I love his cast to characters though. Yeah. Cause it is the Scooby game. And also in every one of us watching all the documentaries about this, and there was picture like the menacing woman in the floppy hat. That is just, just looking like Shelley Duval from an ultimate film. If you would have had one in the wheelchair, it would have been like the Burger King Kids

Club. And that wheels, he cannot be been like the Burger King kids club. And that wheels, he cannot be trusted with the best spot about him. If you need him to leave, you just take the hand and push him down the stairs. He was scared. Well, after performing a bit more by saying that he'd been stabbed in the back and was going into shock. And after giving the MPs a quick lesson on how to care for someone going into shock, which is an incredible feat. If you're actually going into shock, Jeffrey was put on a stretcher and carried to an ambulance.

I just got it. He's like, well, he's actually like, no, no, no, lift my legs. I'm going to swallow my tongue. I'm going to swallow my tongue. I'm doing it right. Hold on. What comes next? I'm going to swallow my tongue. I'm going to swallow my tongue. I'm going to swallow my tongue. You know, I'm doing it right. Hold on. What comes next?

Well, there in the ambulance, he kept talking, saying that the woman with the long, blonde hair cheered the action during the brave struggle that Jeffrey had with his assailants. She kept saying, Creepy, hit him again. Jeffrey then broke off from the story and performed once again, switching the focus to his murdered wife by saying, my God, she was pregnant. Jeffrey. So he didn't know she was pregnant. No, it was, Henry, he was at, well, he was

saying, he was saying like, my God, she was pregnant. I'm doing it acting as if he knows he's a bad actor. He's ending up his crime at the time, but I don't think it was that much better. No, because they, you know, he didn't necessarily trust him immediately. Oh, nor do they believe him. No, because, hmm, fucking none of it made sense. Yeah, how are hippies going to fucking sneak onto an army base? Well, yeah, that's actually there. That's an interesting thing about that to give you a little bit of background on Fort Bragg. Like Fort Bragg is an unrestricted base. It has a four-lane highway

going right through it. Oh, that's true. Oh, I didn't know that. It has 30 points of entry. So like there's no, yeah, anybody can go in. Anybody can go into Fort Bragg. Yeah. That's like a shitty base. You know what I think it is. I know. It's a front-facing base, right? I don't know. I don't know how that works. Yeah. I mean, it's open to the public, but it is the largest military base in America though.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Now, Jeffrey kept telling everyone that he was going into shock, that he'd been stabbed in the back, that he needed fluids and so on and so forth. But when he got to the emergency room, the only thing that Jeffrey, a green beret, the only thing he needed medical attention for was a small wound on his right side

that had barely punctured his lung. Ah, that's enough. Yeah. You should like a, yeah. Yeah, I got it right there. Fucking fixed with super glue and chute. Yes. Yeah. Nothing required stitches. Yeah, oh got it right. Fucking fix what's super glue. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah, nothing required stitches. Yeah. Oh my God. This is of course in great contrast to the near demonic slangs of the rest of his family. Yeah, they were all brutally murdered. Yeah. Yeah. He's a doctor.

So he knows exactly where to stab himself. Yes. He does. He must. We'll go into that later. Okay. Well, hell, we'll go into it right now because, you know, this this guy fucking did it might as well not even, I don't even need to keep you in. Yeah. Yeah. No, when they checked out the blood spatter in each room, they went to one

of the bathrooms and they saw that the blood spatter pattern could have only come from a man leaning over the counter and puncturing himself on the right side of his chest with a scaffold. I don't want to stain the rug. Yeah, there was a, it's also like a magic marker circle around it. So exactly where to go. Well, otherwise, Jeffrey had a bump on the noggin that didn't even break the skin as opposed to the head bashing beatings received by his wife and eldest daughter.

And none of the other, quote, unquote, wounds he suffered even required stitches. Those wounds, by the way, were four punctures along a linear track spaced evenly as if someone had dug their fingernails into his chest. And most likely that ripped flesh was under someone's fingernails back at the house. Now the next day, US Army CID agents and FBI agents arrived to interview McDonald as opposed to the emotional ranting of the night before Jeffrey had barely a hint of emotion when talking about his wife and eldest child, but he refused to talk about the toddler. Okay. And the reason behind this, I think, is most likely that he killed his wife in a rage that woke up the five-year-old daughter who walked in the room

She also had to be murdered to cover up the crime while the rage was still at a high level Yeah, but to completely cover all his bases and to back up his psychohyppy story Jeffrey had to cold-bloodedly murder his two-year year old daughter in her crib, then mutilate the body afterwards. Most likely Jeffrey did this after he somewhat calmed down from his initial rage reaction and had at least the presence of mine to synthesize a story. So it's fight with the wife, boom, go out back, grab the wood, bam, bam, bam, beat her to death.

Daughter comes out, hit her in the head once, and she's fucking dead, she's fucking gone. And then finally you're like, oh fuck, what did I do? And then you have to construct a crime scene. And then that's when the fantasy kicks over and says, oh fuck. What have I done? Oh, what the, what have I done?

No, exact that, what I was about to say, it's oh fuck. I can get out of this completely. Like, if I get, I can totally get rid of all this, like, I don't want to be a fucking single father. I don't want to take care of a fucking toddler. I've already killed two people. What's one more? It costs killing a toddler killing your own daughter.

Yeah. That's not going to be something you want to talk about, even if you're a psychopath. It's stressful. We've had a lot of guys. We've had a lot of guys who do this. Yeah. They save something for themselves because in some way in shape, we go, you're a dead bunny.

Dead bunny because of his first crimes, right? They always said like, maybe he probably hurt or at least if not hurt or killed a little girl when he was like very young. And there's something about like saving something for yourself. And I guess you could call it, you know, no, no armchair diagnosis here, but it does sound like what did someone with some form of narcissism or one of these kind of things where you wall these things off inside of your own mind. So you could keep kind of like your own quote unquote sanity. Yeah. Because you know, again, he didn't have to, like if he would quote, he didn't have to kill his whole family.

He definitely could have killed his wife or whatever and then have freaked out. And then, you know, you confess and you figure out all this shit. And like if he was actually guilty, this shows what the actual, the glibness of the thought process was, is that that was just another fairly perfunctory decision he decided to make. Probably would have looked better if he kept the toddler alive. I don't know. I, I, no, no, it's all bad. You know, it's not good.

But during this interview, Jeffrey had his story a little straighter and he was able to give his account of what happened the night before. He claimed that he was sleeping on the couch that night because his daughter had wet her bed and she was there for taking his place in his marriage bed with his wife. Quite suddenly though, Jeffrey was awakened by the cries of his wife and child. And when Jeffrey opened his eyes, he said he saw four people, a black guy in an army jacket, two white guys, one clean chave and one mustachio. He owed and the aforementioned floppy headed blonde with the candle.

It's just I wonder if he decided the cast beforehand. I want to be thought of actors. Yeah, he might have. I want to be able to be able to. Who's the A team? They were all wet because it had been raining that night. And one of them, Jeffrey thought one of the white guys may have been wearing surgical gloves. Now as Jeffrey tried getting up, he said that the black guy hit him with a baseball bat,

which was already covered in blood from previous beatings. Jeffrey struggled but was suddenly stabbed with an ice pick, which ever so slightly punctured as long. God, after you had a brutally murdered three other people, they're just going to go, think, think, it would have probably felt good for him to beat the shit out of himself too He really should have went for it. Now he should have yes Yeah, the struggle however continued But his Jeffrey tried making his way towards the two steps that led up from the living room to the hallway

He claimed to have fallen forward and passed out from a bump on the head that didn't even break the skin I was rattled Honestly, I'm pretty certain no one in those guys left behind a banana peel. Come on, you gotta laugh sometimes. But when he came to his blue pajama top, which was now torn, have been removed and used to tie his hands and the intruders were gone. Apparently, the psycho hippies were happy to simply leave the unconscious pig with a bump on the head and a single shallow stab wound where he used the housewife and the children had been butchered to the nth degree.

Jeffrey claimed that he then went from room to room, checking pulses and administering mouth to mouth on each corpse. After realizing that everyone was dead, he pulled the knife from Colette's chest, covered her with his torn pajama top and went to the back door to see if the intruders were still there. And would you believe it? I call out in the backyard. And it was the four of them.

Then I saw the mamas and the puppies. They were all hanging out. Some reason, Dunehuka. I know I was just like, what is happening here? With the next thing I know, we're singing, we're hanging out. There was a little bit of a well out next and then I was like, Oh, yeah, my fucking family. There was just so much going on that night, 1970, you had a beat at a

bully. We then went to the whole bathroom to assess his injuries before calling for help, then laid down next to his wife's corpse and waited for that help to arrive. That, he claimed, was all he knew. Now, the first investigator on the scene the night before, after Jeffrey was taken away, was a man named William Ivory. After examining the house, Ivory canvas the neighbors who said they didn't hear anything that sounded like a fight, a break in, or any disturbance at all. They definitely didn't hear a hippie yelling acid is groovy, man. Kill the pigs. Nothing.

Next, Fort Bragg's chief law enforcement officer, friends, Joseph Grebner. Wait a second, why would they be yelling it? Why would they be yelling at this groupie, Joel the Pigs? Yeah, I think it's way more like, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, friends, Joseph Grebner, arrived at the house and immediately recognized that nothing about the scene matched McDonald's story. As he put it, he'd been in poker games that had left the house in worse conditions. Oh, that's pretty. That's a great analogy. You're still in a family annihilation.

I was, Grebner's thinking what this scene was supposed to be a life and death struggle between foreign truters and a green beret officer. Yeah, it should have been destroyed. It should have been like a Jackie Chan movie in there. There should have been broken furniture and a guy threw a glass and like the fucking window. There'd have to be guys fighting with pots and pans and shit. I'm surprised he didn't like this

because it would make him look like such a pussy. Yeah. Oh yeah, but that's, you see, I forgot what the term is. There's something about that, but that you use that. It's a way to inspire legitimacy, where you admit something embarrassing about yourself, quote, unquote, and then you can allow them. It's like the tiny penis claws. There's something like that where it's like I forgot the example where it's like, if you admit to having a super small dick, like maybe it shows that you're chiper, you're crazy on us. Yeah. And like one of violent criminals shows up to court with like a walker, you

know, and they pretend they're really sick and should. And yet the living room was curiously tidy, considering the circumstances. A coffee table had been tipped on its side next to the couch, resting on a stack of magazines. An empty flower pot stood upright on the floor because one of the MPs had stupidly put it back into its original position, but the plant had spilled out beside it. Finally, a pair of glasses with a speck of blood on the lens was in the corner of the room. It's got one white glove. I do see there's a bit of a smudge on the eye. And that's a childhood crime scene, I wish it tidy up. You know, this place is a mess.

You're not gonna believe what these fucking idiotic MPs did. You're not gonna believe. We're gonna get to it. Cause like, you know, it happened on the base. There's a way to do a crime as you're an officer and you do it on a base. These guys are automatically maybe gonna try to stick up for you or some shit.

I don't know. Well, also they probably, I don't know. I'm guessing there were no other murders on Fort Bragg up to this point. I have no idea. So the military police probably have never dealt with this kind of shit. I mean, I don't know. I certainly have a homicide department or some shit. Yeah, the CID, criminal investigations division.

Yeah. So they do have experience with crime scenes. It just wasn't. And I might be wrong be wrong side stories LPL at gmail.com Please are wrong about this, but I believe like MP is something you get busted down to yeah, I don't know I know I'm not saying anything about military police. Yeah, I love you They you know, you're on the military. They come for you. No, I know they might be But those the full extent of the mess left behind in the living room You're on the military. They come for you. No, I know they might be. I don't want the makeup and put you in. But those the full extent of the mess left behind in the living room.

Additionally, in the adjacent dining room, plates remain balanced on their edges in an unstable China cabinet and Valentine card still stood upright on the table. None of these things would have been undisturbed if a struggle between a green beret and foreign truters had happened in the next room. So he thought to get his wife a Valentine's Day card three days before he murdered his entire family. He was, that's why I wonder again about the rage entirely. Where do you feel like he had a little thought in the back of his head of like a little bit of inspiration.

Also, there was a, there has been homicides at the Fort Brack. I'm looking, there's a big and brole of stone article about it. Nice. Oh, before that nice, but too Next investigators found all the murder weapons outside of the house. The so-called baseball bat was actually a 31 inch piece of wood that was found outside the back door and 20 feet away in a bush were a second knife and the ice pick, both of which have been wiped clean of blood. And there's some reason I find just a plank of wood to be much scarier than a baseball

bat. Oh, very much so. We could make it in the one too. You know, if you want to, you're like the natural. Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine that he was in the midst of an argument with his wife. He was in a rage for some reason, the club, the piece of an argument with his wife. He was in a rage. For some reason, the club, the piece of wood outback just popped into his head.

Oh, sure. He walked outside. He grabbed it. He came inside and he just started fucking whacking her with it. Oh, yeah. Right from North way. A detective ivory then turned his attention to Jeffrey's blue pajama top, the one that had been draped over Colette's corpse. Ivory discovered that there were 48 neat round holes that had obviously been made with

the ice pick. So Ivory assumed the Jeffrey had been stabbed 48 times because when you looked at Colette's body, the wounds did not match up with the pajama top, thinking that he was about to lose the last living witness and unaware that Jeffrey was just fine, ivory dispatched his men to interview Jeffrey immediately. And it was then that Jeffrey gave the hippie story soon after news of Jeffrey's condition came back to ivory and ivory began to wonder why the hippies would take off Jeffrey's pyjama top while he was unconscious, stab it neatly 48 times just for funzies, then wrap it around Jeffries' wrists

when it was after completely destabilizing its integrity, like making it far easier to rip open. But at the same time, you know, when I understood at that moment, I, you know, what they were doing, they were trying to make a scary rope. Ah, okay, that was the scariest shit. Honestly, just doing that was scary

when they were stabbing the shirt in front of me. I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa was the scariest shit. Honestly, just doing that was scary when they were stabbing the shirt in front of me. I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I know you just killed my, my family, but that shirt did nothing. I can't believe you. Well, as ivory examined the bodies and murder weapons even further, he began to find little blue threads everywhere. They were stuck to the club, they were found in the large blood clot on Collette's head wound, and they were found underneath Collette's body. It immediately became clear that these blue threads came from what else,

but Jeffrey's pajama top, or possibly his matching pajama bottom. And it was quite odd that they should end up underneath Collette's body if he'd only draped it over her chest after it had been ripped up by the supposed hippies. He killed them. Yeah. Additionally, I've re also found in Jeffrey and Colette's bed, the finger of a late text glove that had been torn away as if someone had ripped off the glove and hates. Oh, that explains why I said one of the hippies had late text gloves on. Yeah, that's exactly why he covered it up.

He's just covered it up again and again. He's just covered everything's got a story. The late text glove finger was stained with blood, obviously making it the finger that had painted pig on the headboard. Now the investigators, of course, pegged Jeffrey McDonald as their soul suspect immediately and didn't believe the hippie story for a fucking second. Oh, yeah. But when the newspapers were tossed out to the sidewalks the next morning, the headlines read, officers wife, children found slain and fought back victims of hippie cult right in the headline.

Leaning heavily on the drug problems in nearby Fayetteville that were the result of American soldiers smuggling drugs from Vietnam. The article claimed that the intruders had marched around the house chanting quote, LSD is great. LSD is great. LSD is great. We just get all it is. Yeah, we weren't wrong.

They punched it up. Yeah, they did. They punched it up. They switched some things around. Yeah. Worseening the panic, the Fayetteville County Sheriff said that by his estimate, about 2000 hippies had recently moved to the area to quote, Yeah, mob up together, living like animals with quilts on the floor, painting all kinds of pictures and decorate.

You know, I do these hippies, everything's an owl. Can't do something abnormal. Can't just one thing. I have shag upon it. I flat road too much text you. You did, of course, reference the men's and family murders, which again had occurred just the previous summer. The sheriff claimed that any and all hippies were capable of grotesque acts of violence. Hell yeah. Because this time this is now it's anti-hippy across the country. Well, I mean, the men's and family murders were August.

This was February. Okay, so it was fresh and everyone's set. So fucking fresh. And they're also, and the men's and family is also freshly caught, because they weren't caught until October. Yeah. Well, do you remember like when Titanic came out

and then like a month later there was that movie called like Titanic, that's like what this is. Oh yeah, like when deep impact came out the same week as Armageddon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or there's two Robert Kennedy movies and stuff like that. And it's bugs. Pre-Fond, two pre-fond Tane movies. That was the weirdest one. Yeah, that is really weird. Yeah. Well, there's a reason behind that. All these movie studios have these scripts ready to go. So when they hear the other movie, movie studio is about to put out like a volcano movie. It's like now it's time for our volcano. They push out their volcano movie. Dante's peak and I think the other one is volcano.

Yes. Yeah. I believe that Dante's peak was the good one. Dante's peak was better. I wouldn't call it the good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They say that's why we'll never have a Houdini movie because every studio has a Houdini script ready to go and it's like this like mutually assured destruction thing. Yeah, because you can't shoot because which one's gonna be it's gonna be some skinny guy and I just want to just not British making about his brother. Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, Lou Dini. I played Lou Dini and it is short I did. For Raybam. That's true. Well, the sheriff also just ratchet up the fear that much more by saying they were probably

Satanus. Mm-hmm. After that, the story went national and became the most talked about event in America. But speaking of media, if you'll rewind your brain just a bit. Oh, you're a member that I mentioned that the coffee table had been tipped over on its side. And underneath was a stack of magazine. I remember pretty pointless dimension. Yeah, but you see Yes, the magazine's yes, they seemed like a superfluous detail in the past

But you will now see that it is in fact the most important clue You fucking idiot. You'll never know anything. Okay. By the way, I do have sweat on my face. Yeah, look at now I'm sweating like a fucking animal. I'm fine. I know you're going to be comfortable.

Now I'm comfortable. Yeah, I'm happy for you. Thank you. But speaking of the caption red, evil looks in California. Lee Marvin is afraid. Well, that's a horrible press for Lee Marvin. Lee Marvin was just historically not afraid.

And I like it because it was just a picture of Lee Marvin hiding behind a blanket. And he saw us to look, I'm furious if I was Lee Marvin. Oh, he's a marvellous. I'm a $6 million man, right? No, Lee Marvin was the leader of the dirty dozen. Like, he's like, this is like the man's man. Yeah, he's more badass than Steve McQueen at this point.

Yeah, I mean, but I think that was the point that they were trying to make is that the problem in California is so fucking horrible that even Lee Marvin is afraid. Lee Marvin is scared of the skinniest boys you'll ever find. I just, every time I get near it, when all I wanna do is kiss it. I really am just afraid of destroying the sanctity of my marriage. And the reason my Lee Marvin was afraid was because of the focus of that issue,

which I love to get a copy of this issue because Lee Marvin was on the cover and everything. The subject was witchcraft cults, drug orgies, and violence perpetrated by hippies in California. In one picture detailing a satanic orgy, one could see an acid queen with long blonde hair, consummating a candlelit orgy by copulating with a black swan. Just bring me in. I don't know how that works though. Well, you would, this one normally is there.

I also think this one copulating with the black one. Yeah, it was feed on your pussy and then the swan gets him there. But you move up its head. It's got a long neck. Yeah, he just fucked the whole head. Yeah, I let it, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more like honestly, it's like the female version of the durable thing. Yeah, he just fucked the whole head. Yeah, it's like that female version of the durable thing. Yeah, it just slails around. It could be that or it's just fucking

there underneath your balls. It was a woman. It was a woman. Yeah, playing with your pussy back. How did how did me lacunus and Natalie Portman do it? Straight up, old fashioned way. And then the tongues do the reep. I do a few scissors with a swan, you get eggs inside of you. But perhaps more important was an article about the Manson family that focused on the grizzly details of the Sharon Tate murder. Specifically, the article spoke extensively about the use of the word pig at the crime scene, detailing that it had been written on the headboard and Sharon Tate's bedroom. Exactly same scene. He copied it.

Yes. It also didn't hurt that both Tate and Collette were pregnant. Another piece of the puzzle. Well, all this points to from the blonde acid queen to the pig graffiti with the fact that Jeffrey McDonald had taken direct inspiration from this issue of Esquire to stage a false copycat crime. He had that idea that night. Like he literally was gonna be looking through the magazine

and was like, no fucking way. Come on Esquire, give me some answers. Give me some answers. Give me some answers. Okay, if anything has the answers to that's quiet. All right, I'll let it to Lee Marvin. And I'll tell him to come to my house and eliminate my hippie family. And it's like back then, it's not a copycat, it's a copy cool cat.

Woo! Yeah, that is a good joke for Toddler. Right, and then again, this is about our new toddler base from crime initiative. You know, Ted Bundy for babies. Again, I think that will also be good. It'd be wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. Chase for children. That one, that was problematic. That was problematic. It can be graded making a bottle top. Oh, God. And Dean was beloved by children. Oh, he was the town babysitter. No, no, it is completely

true. He uses the word beloved like really loosely. I think that he was tolerated. No. And then he was a simpleton that they just sort of allowed the, they were like, I ameless. What is he know what to do? He just said they're going, he's just waving at the road and shit like every day. Like waving at road signs like we've been like, you know, the birds tell me that I killed my mother. You know, like it's a whole on the night that

Bernie Swardin's body was found. He was having a pickle dinner. This is notion. I remember it was a pickle dinner at his 10 year old friend's house at a little boy's house with the parents, of course, it was very felt. A boy who's a friend to a adult everywhere. Is it pickle dinners just a pickle with a knife and a fork? Yes. It was at that point. Yeah, it was mostly pickles. Yeah.

The focus of the meal was pickles. Now initially forensics had a field day with evidence gathering. Firstly, blue pajama threads were found in every room a murder occurred in places that only the murderer would have been. Additionally, threads were found in places that they should additionally threads weren't found in places that they should have been and the same went for splinters left behind by the murder club. You wouldn't believe. All right, the threads were everywhere everywhere. One of the most telling clues was the fact that while every room was soaked and splattered and streaked and

stained with blood, and while Jeffrey claimed to check everyone's pulse to make sure they were dead, and while everyone had extensive neck wounds, there was no blood on the telephone, Jeffrey used to call for help. Again, why stay in the landline? It's washing. What are we doing? I'm a surgeon. It's the day that's exactly what he later said. He said, I'm a surgeon. I just washed my hands out of habit.

I looked down, I see blood on my hands. I got to go, I'm washing, you know? I'm washing. And everybody's fucking dead anyway. So what the fuck do I need to call 911 for? It's such a fucking hurry. Yeah. What do you want for me? I'm just a guy. Yeah.

I can't eat you dying. Finally, a neighbor who had been afraid to get involved at first came forward and reported hearing collettes loud angry voice coming from the McDonald's house that night. Even more disturbingly, the neighbors daughter said that she heard Jeffrey either sobbing loudly or laughing hysterically. Neither, however, heard a struggle. I imagine it was both alternating. Yeah. I go back and forth here. I wonder what my neighbors here. I think it's the same thing. It sounds the same. Definitely acid is groovy.

It's the same thing. It sounds the same. Definitely acid is groovy. Yeah. My house is sick. Too bad. Yeah. But again, it's about pork. Yeah.

Even without 44 days of forensic investigation, which is that's what they did on that house. They spent 44 days in that house. Oh my God. Jeffrey was the main suspect by the second day. Me? Me? You didn't know that though.

But by February 23rd, six days after the murder, investigators were confident enough to contact the FBI and tell them that they could stop their nationwide manhunt for four killer hippies. Meanwhile, they've just been having so much fun beating the livin' fuck outta his checkers. Oh, I gotta stop beating hippies. Hey, okay, all right, we know.

What if we stop officially looking for him, right? fuck out of his checkers. I gotta stop beating hippies. Hey, okay. All right. We know what if we stop officially looking for him? Right? Yeah. He just do it for fun. The problem was that even though there was a ton of friends of evidence, the team on the job fucked up at almost every turn. And what was left that pointing towards Jeffrey was mostly circumstantial.

See, it's one thing to look at a scene and say, holy fuck, it's so obvious that this guy totally fucking did it. Yeah, him no one's just in the high. Yeah, yeah. But it's another thing entirely to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court that a charming green beret would suddenly murder his entire family, especially since the Manson family murders were so fresh on everyone's mind. Additionally, Collette's parents had nothing but the highest praise for their son-in-law, saying that he was not capable of such a thing. And everyone investigators spoke to also had nothing but the highest praise for a man whose biggest weakness was probably that he worked too hard. He can't too much. I know how it is. But you know, it's just shows that what compartmentalization can do and how you can basically live a whole separate life and no one will have any fucking idea what's going on in the center of your goddamn

brain. Yeah, because on paper he's like someone you look up to. Of course, you don't want to believe that this guy. No, he's a veteran. He's a doctor. He's, and he weighed all of that, I think, against his crimes. And not only that, like, you got to really remember the context of the crimes here. Then you got to remember the year, this is 1970. This is when vets are coming back from Vietnam and being literally called baby killers. Yeah. Like that is the narrative that is going on among certain, you know, people in America. Meanwhile, the ones that stayed behind and didn't go kill babies.

That's true. It's real complicated. It's a lot of ends and outs when it comes to this. And so the prosecution would have to rely on hard evidence, very little of which still existed. For example, at the hospital, McDonald's pajama bottoms have been burned with the hospital trash because nobody thought to keep them. Jesus fucking Christ.

I mean, it goes on and on. It's so aggravating. Back at the McDonald's home, the CID hadn't secured the garbage there either. And the trash collectors were allowed to take away bags that might have contained, say, a bloodstained surgical glove with one finger missing. Good good. Concerning that bloody bare footprint,

that guy destroyed by accident. When technicians tried removing the floorboards and fucked up the whole operation, it just went snap crack done. Good God. There was also a piece of skin that had been found under Colette's fingernails. Remember that when I said there's, yeah, there's some skin on a fingernail. Some copy, eat it.

Oh, wow. I forgot my clothes. Oh, you don't suck it on your fingers. Yeah. Oh, you want to go? Yeah. Let me get on the feet. Just lost. No one knows where it went. No one knows where how it was lost, where it went. It's just inexplicably lost. Just hanging out with JFK's brain.

Yeah. Flash mound. Yeah. But while the investigation was being put together, Jeffrey returned to duty. Six weeks later, though, once investigators, Franz Grebner and Robert Shaw felt like they had enough to rip apart McDonald's narrative, they finally brought him in for questioning. Eddie, do you think your father's feet is in flesh, Mount heaven? Mm hmm.

Interesting. You know, it is. What do they think? What do they do with that stuff? They burn it. They burn it. They burn it. I also think sometimes they just throw it out. Well, they have biological wastes,

like biological hazards, but I think it eventually goes to an incinerator. I think that's where it all goes. I don't know. So I'd storieslpo.logmail.com. Where do our body parts go when we die? I would imagine, because I can't see a landfill just filled

with like, you know, diabetic feet. I can. In Reno. That's what Reno is. I got a tooth extracted. I kept that. That's fun because that normally they don't let you keep those. I, you know, I talked about that as she's nice lady.

Yeah. She knows a guy. Yeah. But in a classic cat and mouse game, Grebner and Shaw slowly gathered information from McDonald waiting for the moment to pounce. For the most part though, Jeffrey did not do well under pressure. He spoke in a rapid, high pitch tone most of the time, stumbling and stammering over his

words. But pretty soon, Grebner started hitting him with questions about the hippies and the supposed acid is groovy chant. This is what McDonald said. Oh, yeah, you know, all right. We can get rid of we can get into that. Yeah, what McDonald said. Oh, yeah, all right. We can get it. We can get into that. Yeah, she wasn't jumping up and down and screaming.

You know, I can't only say, you know, she wasn't saying, kill me. You know, the point was it all seemed, you know, when you see it like, like an easy writer, right? I made the mistake of going to see that film. They have all these stop-assioned things. Well, that's what it seemed like. Terrible movie.

I can't even. What was it talking about? What was the question? But after going through the story again and again, Franz Grabner went full bad cop and told Jeffrey that there were just too many discrepancies for a story to be true. The living room was too tidy for a struggle to have taken place. Jeffrey's wounds were too in substantial. No, no, no, absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,icking saying quote, okay, Jesus Christ is getting what it's called

circumstantial evidence. Yeah, well, uh, go ahead. Yeah, what else do you have? Right? What you're doing is you sitting here telling me that kill my wife and my kids, right? That's unbelievable. Oh, man, Jesus Christ is a nightmare. It's like in Galipag. Wow. Apparently don't know much about my family and myself. I'll tell you that to come up with that conclusion or me for that matter. You're all just sitting here. It's like, this is a score sazy film. But by the end of it, Grebner had what he needed. A report was filed officially announcing

that Jeffrey McDonald was the main suspect in the murders. While criminal charges were not filed, and this is important, the army was going to conduct an internal article 32 inquiry to see if charges would be filed. To give you a little bit of background on article 32, it's just, it's not necessarily, I wouldn't even call it like a military tribunal.

It's kind of like a grand jury for the military, where they go up, they put forth all of this evidence, you know, you got your defense, you got your prosecution, although it's not really defense and prosecution, but it's just to see if the army wants to bring forth charges on a crime committed on an army base with an officer. Okay. So the FBI can't just say, fuck you. Now, the way the law is worked out, the way the law,

like the way, you know, it just had the legal system. It's the, it's the army's problem. Yeah. And the army has to deal with the military has to deal with it. They're good with killing, not solving. Yeah. You know, as we'll see, we'll see. Now article 32 or no, the filing was reported on the national news that very night. And a Philadelphia lawyer named Bernie Siegel saw the story and thought, Jesus Christ, this guy's fucking guilty. But much to his surprise, Siegel soon got a call from Jeffrey McDonald's mother, asking Siegel to defend her son. Now ironically, Bernie Siegel was mostly a civil rights lawyer who defended war protesters, draft resistors, military deserters, and people with drug charges.

In other words, he defended the people that Jeffrey McDonald hated the most. I.E. hippies. I'm not a hippie, I'm not a... Nevertheless, Seagull took the case and ended up defending Jeffrey McDonald for decades to come. Wow. Yeah.

Once the article 32 hearing came about, Seagal proved himself well worth the money. He started by ripping apart the many investigative fuckups perpetrated by the Fort Bragg MPs. This isn't even investigating. This is just MPs on the scene. This is just not malfeasance, but incompetence. Yeah. They didn't control the crime scene. They didn't keep a list of officers entering

and exiting the apartment. Some of them tracked in wet grass. Oh my God. Several MPs just started touching stuff and there was no attempt to control the evidence. Were they hammered? No, they just was hyper careless. They were super, super careless.

And they're all just fucking shocked. At what they're seeing. They're all just incredibly traumatized. Also wonder if they're young. They probably are. Probably at 19 years old. Yeah. Not knowing shit about shit.

The absolute worst example of their failure to control the scene was the fact that the ambulance driver stole Jeffrey McDonald's wallet. You started going through desks and checking and seeing like, I have a wallet. Take the cash, leave the wallet. We all know that. The MPs, they even use the fucking bathroom. You know, they destroyed whatever evidence.

Yeah. He's like, cut myself in a house. He's like shaving like over the thing, cut his toenails and like, leave it up. Furthermore, Bernie Seagull's cross examinations of the forensic teams would have made Johnny Cochran proud. Seagull out of the team is confused, disorganized, and utterly out of their depth using too many examples to go into here. We'd be here for another fucking 30 minutes if I went through everything they fucked up on. Jesus Christ.

They couldn't have fucked up worse if they tried. I think they might have tried. You think so? I don't know. I mean, I don't believe necessarily an idea that they would go in and they're not trying to exonerate this man. I just think that they just did they, I don't think they knew what they were doing. They didn't know what the hell they were.

I think there's a couple guys didn't want him to be caught. It's a bad look for an off a green beret. It kills family. Oh sure. And for Bragg on for yeah, you literally add a military base. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like some army recruiter was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is really gonna be bad. We're trying to get parachute.

Yeah, let's get him in a sin and then send them out to Vietnam and have a kill Next seagull brought in an MP named Kenneth Mecha who revealed that on February 17th 1970 He'd seen a hippie Not in not in 1970 He'd seen a hippie. Oh, God, not in 1970. Not a fan, Phil. Let's forget that I'm sure.

MP Meekas said that on the night in question, just after the murders were known to have occurred, he saw a young woman a half mile from the murder scene wearing, get this. A floppy hat. I hate this fucking floppy hat. Like, this is not evidence. Unfortunately, though, no units were dispatched that night

to find the floppy-hatted woman. No, you have to send the Haberdashers squad. Thank God she was wearing a fuzz. They would never have been able to find her. So many stupid hats in the story, braze. But as it was, this woman did exist. Her name was Helena Stokeley, and she'd be a character in the Jeffrey McDonald case for years to come. Supposedly, Stokeley was a member of a witchcraft cult. And she was known to wear high boots, a blonde wig, and a floppy hat. I did to cover my brain. My brain's sensitive. Thank you.

Have a noticeable wings. Can you make me? Sure. A fish shoe. In reality, Stokley was more of a burnout who sometimes dealt drugs. But a former neighbor of hers named William Posey told Bernie Siegel that on the morning of the murders, he saw a car quickly pull into Helena, Stokely's driveway, containing two possibly three men who were all just a laughing and a giggling. Can't believe that

ain't it George. They afford a joy. But they weren't doing the ass. It's good. They were fucking stoned out of their gourds and having a great night. Yeah, look at her stupid floppy head. Probably share it. Reaching over. Flap, flap, flap. Yeah, you like flicking. Let's flicking my head. Oh, Helena. It's my top clip.

Helena was then seen rushing out of the car into her house and the men immediately sped away. Then, the neighbor said that on the day of the McDonald family funeral, Helena wore all black and hung a funeral wreath on her door. then the neighbor said that on the day of the McDonald family funeral, Helena wore all black and hung a funeral wreath on her door. Additionally, after February 17th, Naria single floppy hat, nor blonde wig was ever seen upon Helena's stokely's head ever again. Oh, maybe it's because there was a fucking APB for a person with a blonde wig and a floppy hat. Yeah, it's not that stupid. No, I mean, I don't know, but she's probably like,

Dexie, we'd time for a speech at any minute. Out the brunette. And it's also very possible that, you know, Jeffrey took this image of the supposed woman from Helena Stokeley. Oh, yeah. It's quite possible he saw around town. Posey then said that Helena left Fayetteville weeks later

because she told him that the cops were given her a hard time about the murder. Well, I guess we can't keep married until we go out and kill some more people. Why would you ever get a million years? She's a woman who's been a woman for a long time. She's a woman who's been a woman who's been a woman for a long time. She's a woman who's been a woman who's been a woman for a long time. saying quote, well, I guess we can't keep married until we go out and kill some more people. Why would you ever don't know? Millionaires. She's out of her fucking.

She's liplon. A lot of attention. Well, no, just a drug, just fucking. Brie, I can't tell you what I'm saying right now. Ain't nothing going out. That's just saying the hats doing the thing. Oh, fully acid fried like crazy acid fried along with every other drug you can fuck you.

Yeah, you're being a bunny. You don't know what it's like to eat a carrot unless you've been a bunny before. Is this not the murder? I imagine acid was a little different back then too. Oh, you're taking more of it. Yeah, not even knowing you are like full sheets of paper. Oh, yeah, yeah, talking it, getting it all over you. I remember you told the story about when you had to run the pep rally and then the guy that you were buying acid, yeah, was buying liquid acid from this guy and he like, and

we were putting it on fruit striped gum. Delicious, great idea. Oh, that's incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he put it on my hand and he just looks up and he goes, oh, no. You did a full squad of a bio fill of acid. I don't know what it was fucking. A student council and I had like load buses up for

grand night. I was like, talk to the principal and a bunch of cops. Yeah, so you remember that? Do you remember a picture that the picture wasn't like the guy who was like the guy with all the different, like I forget it was like how his schizophrenia progressed. Yeah. We saw like the cat slowly all the different like I forget it was like how his gets a frontier progress. Yeah. We saw like the cat slowly turn into colors like I'd go to scope. That's like what he did to his teachers.

So. The Stokeley was called in to testify, but she would alternate between confessing and recanting. And the only thing her stories proved was that she did a lot of drugs all the time. Yeah. Yeah. stories proved was that she did a lot of drugs all the time. Yeah, you ever lick a shovel? I do fucking literally whatever. But while Stokeley was a bit of a non starter, Seagal brought in character witness after character witness,

who all testified to Jeffrey McDonald's unquestionable character. Even Jeffrey's father-in-law testified, saying that he, if he ever had another daughter, he'd still want the same son-in-law testified, saying that he, if he ever had another daughter, he'd still want the same son-in-law. And I'd have her marry him. But the time she was three years old. In fact, where's my wife? Where's my wife?

Where's my wife? Find another guy. Find another guy. Find another guy for her son-in-law. Finally, though, Jeffrey McDonald himself testified at his own hearing and he was far more practiced than what he'd been since the interrogation. He'd straightened out his story considerably and any discrepancies between the hearing and the multiple interviews since the murders were chalked up to either the fallibility

of human memory or the blow to the head he received that fateful night. Honestly, now most of the time truly, I can't even see a floppy head. I'm just beside myself. Hey, this bucket hats are supposed to be coming out soon. And I know it's going to be a nightmare for me. Well, such by the time the article 32 hearing was concluded, all charges were dismissed due to insufficient evidence. But an article 32 hearing is not a criminal trial. It's not even a grand jury. This was simply an internal investigation within the military.

So rules of double jeopardy did not apply. It just meant that he wasn't going to get charged with the crime. The government wasn't going to charge him and the military wasn't going to charge him. But as far as Jeffrey was concerned, he was Scott free. Oh, yeah. He'd gotten away with murder and riding that high, he decided to parlay his tragedy into stardom by becoming a highly visible professional mourner. Oh, my God.

It would be that arrogance, however, that would eventually land Jeffrey in jail. And we'll detail every bit that led him to that point when we pick back up next week for part two. Oh nice. Just a bunch of lies next week. A lot of lies. A lot of lies. A lot of nervous hand ringing. It's also good to not anger from the father-in-law once he figures out like oh wait a second. Yeah, yeah, put that new wife of his God what a horrible story yeah next week I'm glad we'll get it We're gonna hunt him down. We're gonna get him. We're gonna put him in jail. Thank you guys for listening We got a lot of bullshit up twitch.tv slash last podcast network. Come watch all the shows on Twitch We've got a murder fist is up twitch.tv slash last podcast network come watch all the shows on Twitch. We've got a

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