Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 550: Andrew Cunanan Part II - The Kept Maniac

Episode Date: October 14, 2023

Marcus, Henry, and Ed continue the story of spree killer Andrew Cunanan - who before heading down to Miami, would go on to leave a trail of murders from Minneapolis to New Jersey.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk on the left. That's one of the cannonballs I'm started. What was that? Little mishmuck sat on the top of it. Oh Yeah So your mind to enter Kunanan is actually entered dice clay Welcome to last podcast on the left ladies and gentlemen. I'm Marcus Parks with Henry Sbrowski. Yeah, and Ed Larson Hey, as everyone doing. Happy Halloween.

Whatever. That's spooky time. It's spooky time. I know, I know we should be embracing it. So I wanted to do a trick because God bless the whole thing we're doing here, but he's not scary. He's fucking terrifying. He's like an angel, Kunnann, to be extremely terrifying.

Yeah, but you can't dress up as him for Halloween. What are you really going to wear? That's sort of the point. Shader head, wireframe glasses, bullet hole in the center of your head and you're for it. Okay, there it is folks. So come out to the beach, like a bingo dress is Andrew Cunan. And but I wanted to do some, I like cheesy Halloween jokes. You're allowed to do a lot. And so I am saying you're like a prepared material. I feel like this is a good, you so I have to say you're like, I prepared material.

I feel like this is a good, you know, like, you know, sideline, take, take, take your shot. Take a shot at the mic. Take a shot. You ready? Okay. Why does candy man have bees? Why does candy man have bees?

Why? Because he didn't study hard enough for a's. Come on. What are we doing here? I don't know, man. Okay. He said, he's like Come on. What are we doing here? I don't know man. Okay. He said, he's like, I remember right before we started recording. He's like, you gotta let me try his Halloween.

He's a good, he's a good, he's a good material. All right, fucking, we gotta get to the story. So, where does the mommy like to have sex? Where? In his finkster. I don't know. Okay. All right.

And what's Freddie Krueger's favorite horse that bet on at the track? What? A nightmare, you fucking idiots. That's right. A nightmare. A nightmare. How did you not know?

How did you not know the answer? Because I'm not sitting and thinking like I'm Harry Shackleman. A nightmare. A nightmare is a horse. And the nightmare is where he kills children. So when we last left out of the Koonan, you could expect a lot of that. At the LPN Beach playing a bingo.

October 20th in San Diego. Yeah. So when we last left to Andrew Koonan and he was in Minnesota visiting his friend Mark Trail after Koonan and convinced himself that he'd been infected with HIV. I got deeper into like they run up because I remember like I was catching up in the book, vulgar favors to kind of see more like there was the atmosphere of what what was going on inside of Andrew Kunanans. If you listen to every other reporters like pronunciation of it, I hate it.

Kunanan. I don't know because I remember I was like, good night. Oh, Mr. Good night, but I don't understand why they was like, how do you get? Good night out of tune and perhaps that's how it is actually said in the Philippines. Only reporters. And I don't know why.

Good night. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we talked about the idea that he had a, like, a going away party, what he called his last supper. Yeah. But there was things that led up to that that I found really, really interesting. I said, yes, he got sort of one of the books of our, one of our sources got, was really focused in on Andrew Kenanin's fear that he was infected with HIV. Volgar favors was when we're talking about he creating an atmosphere where he was, it was no longer tenable for him to be amongst his friends that he had built over like the last decade. He had become manic, crazy, obviously violent, but there really was the rampant spending at

the very end of his time in San Francisco. He ended up, we racked up something like $45,000 on an AMX. And when you do that, honestly, we were talking about it before the show. AMX is real forgiving. These motherfuckers, they let you charge anything. You could just tell them how much money you make and they will believe you. They just believe you. So, but at some point, when you don't pay, they start to get like, man, like that's where the express comes in, where they start showing up. But he really was like, uh, he had become nuts. He became a favorite amongst all of these like top level restaurants where he would sit and him

alone would spend or maybe with one other friend, he'd spend something like $1200, $1,500 on a single dinner, buying $300 bottle of wine, doing all this crazy shit and literally spending thousands of dollars on desserts alone. So he became the sugar dad. He became filled with sugar dad. Well, while Andrew was in Minneapolis, he bumped into an old boyfriend named David Madsen. And soon enough, Andrew, Marken David had formed a temporary friend circle that got very intense very quickly. But after a particularly humiliating run-in with Lisa Kudrow at a nightclub, which made Andrew furious, he returned to San Diego to find that his charm had worn off on all

his old friends and contacts. Andrew soon found himself effectively alone, saved for a platonic friend named Eric Greenman, who for some reason moved into a studio apartment with this increasingly unstable individual. I wouldn't do that with a dog. Yeah. Yeah. He, like, imagined now.

He went from super fancy. Bon. We all have had friends like this, especially in the comedy scene, especially in show business. All of the had friends like this, especially in the comedy scene, especially in show business. All of the attributes that made this guy fun are now making him extremely scary. He is telling wilder and wilder lies more and more people like you're lying, Andrew. They're just saying it to his face now. He is shaving his head. He has gained a lot of weight. He's

wearing, he's wearing to shoveled clothes. He's becoming really, really crazy. But I think that Eric Greenman basically got floated by Andrew. Like that's with it. Because so he would keep people within his circle by just handing out money, pulling out $400, $500 out of the ATM at a time. And no one had any idea where this fucking money was coming from. Yeah. Well, over the course of the few months that they lived together, Greenman saw that Kunanan was becoming increasingly manic and bizarre, although Greenman did backtrack some of his statements later by saying that the tabloids had encouraged him to spice up his story with juicier details.

Amongst those, maybe true, maybe not details, was a shrine that Andrew had supposedly built to Tom Cruise. Love it. According to Greenman, it's not the only one out there. According to Greenman, Kunanan would say that he loved Tom Cruise so much that he wanted to tie him up, use him, and make him beg for more, which gives you an idea of Andrew Kunanan's idea of life. Honestly, you get him, dark girl, right?

Because you know, you kind of likes the lack of responsibility. He's just like, finally, somebody else making a decision for me. And then you know what? I just bring in one whole uncut snapper. Because he knew what he likes. And I just pop, pop, pop, pop, I fishlight him for several days. And then he'll be known. Well, adding to that, Kunan said,

quote, did you notice Tom, who just like a fine wine? He's the perfect boy toy. That's my dream lover. And I don't want a dream lover. Come here, Tom. I was feel bad he couldn't see him now, because he looks great. Yeah, no, yeah.

Wherever you are, Kunani. If you could just see how great Tom's doing, he's saving the movies. Conversely, though, Kunani hated Nicole Kidman, who was still married to Tom Cruise at the Tosh. Stupid driving movies. You see that? The tiny car going out. Percy was like, stanky.

Get it rafel. Oh, a bad kid, man. Koonanin said, quote, I'd like to kill her so I can have Tom to myself. Oh, and then what? Oh, ah. He started throwing those a lot. That was like one of the things people noticed,

is that the towards especially the end of his time in California, whenever anybody said anything about having a problem with somebody, he's like, well, maybe we should kill him and then he'll get rid of him. Like he started having, it's just super light comedy. Yeah. And what became increasingly obsessive behavior, Kunan once rented five Tom Cruise movies and watched them all in one night. It's one better than the West. Yes, yes, yes. Been there done that baby. Yeah. No, probably not. What?

That was Tom's news. Oh, again, you carefully studied each Tom Cruise scene, noting Tom Cruise's gestures. But after that came Andrew Kunamman's trademark boundary crossing behavior. One day Greenman walked into their studio apartment to find Andrew watching hardcore porn, featuring a guy strapped to a chair being tortured by a cattle prod. Are you ever see Angus Beef? You've never seen this? This is a good one.

This is where he says, hey, stop up with the cattle, bro. I love this guy. Before Grieman had a chance to react, Andrew reportedly said, Hey, Eric, look at what I'd like to do to Tom Cruise. Hey, that's what I'm going to do to him. Walking into a studio apartment after work, just like, man, please let me. I told you not in the living room. There is no living room.

God, it's so hard. But it's sock on the door. God, it's so hard to be watching hardcore pornography in a studio apartment you share with somebody. You've been sitting on the toilet with the door open. Yeah, I'm in the vestibule. Well, later that night as Andrew was on his way out the door on his way to a gay bar, he continued the references saying, quote, you could say I'm Tom cruising. Oh, I need like that.

I love a murderer that puns. Yeah. What, you know, once there was a general I thought it the order to code red and But I was just Tom accusing You know how about this there is one time I was stuck in detention with a bunch of friends You know and then we either we didn't know each other but then we all became friends and I was John using but then we all became friends. Uh-huh. And I was John Hughesing. It's better. It's a breakfast.

It is. That's better. That's better. As far as Conan and Sons session with Tom Cruise went, friends later said that he had the same obsession with Gianni Versace. Based on this statement, I actually think it's possible that Andrew Conan and's first choice for a highly famous target was Tom Cruise. I felt like he was building up a fantasy

of what he would do. Well, building up a fantasy that was designed to fail. Yes, because who he can get in contact with, because what do we know about Andrew Cunanan? You definitely wanted to be famous no matter what. Multiple, multiple people said that he would tell people, he's just like, I just know I'm gonna be famous. I don't know what it is, because I don't like do anything, I just know I'm going to be famous. I don't know what it is because I don't like do anything,

but I know I'm going to be famous one day. But I think that he started to kind of connect this idea of like, maybe you just need to sort of explode next to a famous person. Yeah. And then if you do that, like then it's like, you get put on their Wikipedia page, you get do you get included in all of the noise about them. Your face next to gets to be next to their face for the rest of time. Yeah.

I think it'd be great if he tried to kill Tom Cruise and then David misgavish just fought him. And he was doing the cross body. And Andrew Crenan and like, what? Oh, that's a fucking March madness. We got to put that in here. We first round Andrew Tunon and versus David Miske. David the blows back and forth because David Miske is tough.

You're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, a little Wolverine. You're like, but I'm not sure. But I'm not sure. And honestly, he had length. He was taller. So he could probably, you know, you're mousious face.

And we're like, back, bitch. You're pulling in. You just how easy it is to kick David miscavage in the face. But when it became obvious that Tom Cruise was impossible to reach, it's possible that Kunanan just went down the list one more name to someone who was far more vulnerable to attack, as we'll see in episode three. Now, Kunanan was still trying to keep all of his various personas like Andrew De Silva and Lieutenant Commander Cummings. He was trying to keep all that alive in San Diego. But from what people who knew him said, Kononen came across as a man who was drowning.

Where before he'd taken good care of himself, Kononen had an early 1997, quickly gained 20 pounds, not just because of the fancy desserts, but because he was spending so much time eating Oreos and Doritos while smoking cigars and drinking beer. This guy got this guy. I know he sounds cool. I know That's not too far from what we do. Just so their eating Oreos to watch in the fucking most hardcore torture porn. You can imagine Just smart. But he was the mix them. Like he was literally mix it into a slurry. He would sit and he got, but they said that it was really interesting because he really went from this fake non-go sky where he, the whole thing was that he was fancy. He had super, super elevated tastes.

He would wear things that were like, what rich people do where they don't really wear labels necessarily as they wear things. You would recognize that other rich people wear. And so it's a code that they do amongst rich people. Where something like this, he started to truly devolve, which is why like they called it the gay death at the time, like his friends, because he let himself go so thoroughly, like he cut his hair that everyone was like famous, he was like famously cute for you. And then when he gained the weight, it wasn't so much the weight gain that was like the problem. It was that he was smoking meth five times a day and still managed to gain a lot of weight.

That's a lot of Oreo. Literally just eating desserts and drinking champagne. Like that's like, that's difficult. That's a super win free style. Like the whole mac and cheese. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very, very difficult thing to do. But he showed that he was, he really, it's, I get it, truly spiraling. Yeah, he was in his 30s. At this point, I think he was in his late 20s. Yeah, and you're spiraling before your 30s. Yeah, you can't, you're 20s, you could do anything in your 30s are the best decade in your life. Yeah. Additionally, Andrew was depending more on dealing hard drugs and sex work for income

He also started to dress like shit all of which made finding a new sugar daddy a near impossibility In other words, Kuhnana had gone from the fanciest boy at Gamma Moo to a crumb covered somehow chubby meth head It's it's honestly. It's kind of inspired. Yeah, you gotta you gotta dig in you gotta look for that It's honestly, it's kind of inspiring. Hey, you got to get you got to dig in. You got to look for that grass right. It's so hard like because all these factors are working against you. The math. That's it.

Still chubby. It's still chubby, man. It's incredible. It is wild. I actually got a good conspiracy email about this. I thought it was interesting. I was listening to the QnAna episode when you guys brought up Gammamoo, the frat. And I was like, why is it familiar?

The primary antagonist in an extremely goofy movie is a member of a frat called Gammamoo. And the movie is set in the 90s, which means that Bradley, upper crust of the third, is canonically a closeted, wealthy gay man. And he's saying that it's just too close. What are you talking about?

I have no idea what any of that means. Is that the sequel to the goofy movie? The goofy movie? The goofy movie, I believe it is. The sequel. The goofy love the fuck cows. We know that. What? Yeah, his girlfriend was a cow.

Yeah. And he was a dog. Yeah. No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. He was an elevated dog. He's not gonna fuck Pluto.

Is that, is that? Is that? Pluto's kinda like Conan. So you're talking Pluto like an end. So you're talking about like old school goofy, like really funny goofy because goofy movie goofy like goofy. Are you talking because his son is another dog. Max. Max is a dog. Yes. So was like the woman that he was having sex with after Max's mother. I don't know. Did she die? Maybe Claire Bell, you know, I just still alive. I thought it was Suicide. No, Max's mother, yeah, just thinking about,

you know, just God knows what goes on in that dog. Walk straight off a cliff. Yeah. I thought she'd keep going. Yeah, I thought she'd keep going. Well, that helped, right? Yeah. That helped the flow. Yeah.

But realizing that a new sugar daddy was a near impossibility, Kunanan returned to old sugar daddies to see if they would once again make him their kept boy. Kunanan was of course rejected, but I'd say that those old men were very lucky that none of them became Kunanan's first murder victim. I think that they read the writing on the wall. So they saw he, he was very obviously in distress. Seems like this kept boy is gonna start screaming more. Yeah.

Yeah. Kind of a kept maniac, but I don't wanna keep a maniac. Now by April of 1997, rumors were swirling around San Diego that Kunanan was HIV positive. So he made claims that he was moving to San Francisco so that the rumors would die down. But it's also around this time that Kunanan had another run-in with a celebrity, his last, before everything fell apart. See, by this point, Kunanan was drinking heavily for the first time in his life, but he still managed to talk his way

into an event where he could bother Elizabeth Hurley. Oh, no. You're a bastard. You hate her a lot. She is still beautiful. That's 59. Elizabeth Hurley is one of the most beautiful women who's ever walked through here. That's true. Now again, Koonan and claim to adore Elizabeth Hurley said, what a vamp. But instead of humoring Andrew, like Lee Sakudro did for a time, and because she's an entertainer more than an actor,

herly just ignored him, looked right over his head. Yeah, as you should. Yeah. Again, Kunan flew into a race. Oh, oh, oh, saying that herly had no right to act all high in mighty,

because herly was dating Hugh Grant at the time, who was himself going through legal troubles. You know, he just, he's a horny. He could have got Hugh Grant at the time, who was himself going through legal troubles. You know, he just got, he's already got Hugh Grant. He like, he like, that could have been like a legit thing that almost happened. They were just like, at the end of this. Furthermore, Koonan instead that he despised Hugh Grant specifically because Andrew claimed that he had auditioned for the lead in the 1995 romcom nine months. Yes, absolutely. He definitely was in the running. Yeah. You have to get a loan.

The life. Yeah. And you grant head on fairly been given the part over Kuhnana. I get it, man. Jim Kerry was Dr. Robotnik. Yeah. It should have been me. They didn't even call me. You know, I was supposed to be in a movie and Fisher Stevens got the part. I hate hip. Really? Yeah. Fisher Stevens beat you out. Beat me out.

The tap is a Tom Cruise movie. Oh my god. Oh, shit. Jesus, no. What was the movie? The one with him and Cameron Diaz. I don't remember the name of it. Oh, I don't know either.

It was supposed to be a computer hacker. Oh, okay. You were supposed to be a computer hacker. No, no, no, no. I didn't do my knuckles. I was so good. We got your fingers. Oh, okay. You were supposed to be a computer hacker. I did my muscles. I was so good. You can barely use the phone. Oh my god. He's dead to the camera. Well, what's interesting here is that a bit of a flip happened when it came to Koonan and Zatitude towards celebrities. Whereas before he would sing the praises of celebrities like Gianni Versace,

he was now saying that he hated Versace and his pretentious pompous, ostentatious design. I hate your flip flops. Imagine screaming at in real like real rage is up. I hate your flip flops. Oh, dear, you got little lines on them. flip flops. Oh, Terry, you got little lines on them. I hate them.

Well, subsequently Andrew Kunnan and began making an enemies list like he was fucking Richard Nixon, except this was it wasn't necessarily an enemies list. It was a hate list. These are people that I hate. This is my bad, bad no, no list that I might kill people from. Yeah, never make the list. No, no, keep it in your head. Yeah, right up here.

Yeah, and if it, because if really they're that important, you don't need a list. Yeah, I'm not gonna forget. I'm not gonna forget. Yeah, I've been worried about forgetting who you need to kill. I really should think about making a list. If I could just get organized. But I call that guy. Well, amongst those names was, of course, Gianni Versace. I just get organized. Glad I called that guy.

Well, amongst those names was, of course, Gianni Versace. Now Kunanan took a brief sojourn to Los Angeles in early 1997, where he hung out on the corner of Santa Monica Boulevard and La Brea Avenue dressed as a woman. It's Donut time. Yeah, that's what exude. That's Tangerine. That's where Donut time is. That's what it now.

It's the Treyhoe Stone. Yes. But which great churro ice coffee, by the way. It is. But yeah, no, that's the Donut Thomas. That's what it now. It's the tray host, donut. Yes. But which great, sure, Oh, ice coffee, by the way, it is, but yeah, no, that's the donut time. I used to work right around there and I'd walk and I get yelled at and shit, it was fucking fun. We get yelled at for a guy. A boy, you like me, you know, kind of, yeah, yeah, you got that was a famous that you have to be good. You have to get that spot. That's like, that's a real good corner.

You have to get that spot. That's like, that's a real good corner. You have to get that spot. Wow. That's interesting. The famous donut time he was there is a unbelievable, he probably knew some of the people in the movie. Yeah. Well, at that location, Andrew claimed that he was picked up by a dozen men, including several famous actors, although Kunanan was never more specific

about their identities, other than to say that one of them was quote, factors, although Kunanan was never more specific about their identities, other than to say that one of them was, quote, that old guy who plays the grandpa on that TV show. I believe this, by the way, studios are right there. Yeah. They're right. They're like walking distance. Yeah.

You know, so he could have been picked up multiple time. He doesn't know everyone who's famous. No, he just knows the big guys, you know, he knows Tom Cruise and the golden. Who is the old guy that plays the grandpa on that TV show? Mr. Belvedere. Whoa. No, he's the butler. He's the butler. This is 1997, 1997, the old Frazier, the guy from Frazier. It was not the guy from Frazier. It could have been anyone who played a grandpa, it could have been the Munster's grandpa. Because it's a long time ago. That's super long.

But he was still alive at this point. Yeah, because the guy on Frazier wasn't the grandpa. He was the father. The guy from Beverly Hills, Beverly Hillbillies. That guy? That's way he would have been fucking decrepit by that point. He wasn't going to sue you. And that was more of a grandma.

There we go. That was more of a grandma show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah we go. That was more of a grandmaw show. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jack Clamp, it was more of a patriarch. But what if the gram always dresses it too? The fuck, yeah, man. That's cool. Right now, it's black.

What a crazy DC, whatever it's called. But after his LA adventure, Andrew Koonan and decided that it was time to leave California all together. I'm done with it. It's not done with me yet. You see, but I'm done with it. His plan was to move to Minnesota to be close to Jeff Trail and David Madsen. And they were so excited about it.

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if highly inappropriate at first. One friend said that one night at the bar, Koonan and kept picking him up and putting him down, all night, up and down, and up and down, for seemingly no reason. And just maniacally just laughing. Yeah. Well, he, I mean, it was just being weird.

He was being really weird and I mean, it was just being weird. He was being really weird and truly like, it's the, that he was hurting people. Yes. He should have learned some jokes. I don't like that. I don't like that. You don't have to do that.

You don't have to pick people up and laugh and like be a freak. You know, you could just tell some jokes and everyone's happy. But his jokes are just going to be, they're going to make it just as uncomfortable. You know what it's like to watch a man's ass hole could spread apart by a bunch of hooks? What is it like? Nice.

Sorry, look at for a bunch like that. But soon that inappropriate playfulness turned a violent aggression mass to so-called affection. As one friend put it, Kunan and grabbed him by the neck and choked him, almost as if Andrew was beginning to test how far he could go with violence outside of an SNM setting. You've ever had that with somebody that starts getting fucked up and like they do that thing where they're grabbing at you.

Like I've had that, I mean, because I'm a little guy. So it's like I've had that happen to me often where someone's like grabbing at you and shit. Like, you scared, I mean, Andrew can any scares the shirt on all the time, man. Being a big dude at a bar, people love to like just grab you and wrestle you and like literally jump on your back and shit And so you got to like fucking just throw them off occasionally. Yeah, it's where people test you when you're large But that's fun. See I've got the nice middle ground because yeah Sometimes people do get aggressive, but it's only when we're right at each other right at each other's faces

But I've got that nice middle ground. Well, you don't know what I'm gonna do. Yeah, you look like an Andrew Kunehaan. Yeah, I look like somebody that, like, it's like, I might lose, but you're gonna lose in the year. Exactly, you're gonna shank someone with a pencil. Yeah, that's why I just showed them my C4 Fest. Yeah, I just showed them, like, see, I'm strapped with explosives.

So that one time, it's second chance, when those two dudes were fucking with you when you had the hernia and I just and I fucking got up and they backed off and they were trying to fight me. Yeah, they were trying to fight you and you were weakened because you're a dick balloon and popped through your gut hole. Oh man, I miss seeing my intestines and my balls. We all do.

Well around the same time, Kunanan's aggressive behavior graduated to the felony level when he briefly returned to San Francisco. There, he met a man who was the assistant manager of a gay club called Denny. Oh, that's a mix up there. It didn't happen. Now, I knew it's over my hammy. Yeah. That was about to...

I was about to... I almost rode in and I don't want to hear a single fucking moons over my hammy joke from either one of you motherfuckers because I know it's coming. Well, he had to go over my hammy joke from either one of you motherfucker's cuz I know it's coming Well, he had to go to my hammy to kill for some shit That's good. Let's go. I'll take that one. I'll take that one. According to this manager, Koonan and tried selling him ecstasy and cocaine all while he bragged about knowing Elizabeth Hurley, Lisa Kudrow And then he just fucking threw Madonna into the mess. Yeah, she's a bitch.

No, she would say like Madonna could be a bit much. You know what? Honestly, you can use it in there. Like heads kind of half bleeding shame. I'm like, cake icing is all of these. Got a whip in his hand. You know, Madonna can be a lot. It's the cone breast that turned me off. Yeah.

But later that night, this man said that he was with Kunanan in a hotel room when he began to realize that his drink had been drugged. He passed out and briefly regained consciousness, only to find Andrew reaching for his throat. This guy tried fighting Andrew off, but finally passed out completely in a woke in his words, believing that he'd been raped. Andrew of course was nowhere to be found. Now, this increasingly violent and reckless behavior points towards the possibility that Andrew had already

decided that his life was coming to an end soon. In addition to his crimes, Andrew amassed $40,000 in credit card debt in a matter of weeks. And he even, he managed to get American Express on the phone to beg for just a little bit more money. He did have the power of, he did have a little bit of that power of cheer, like push you and I'll push you and push you until you agree with me. He had like negotiating tactics in a way that was like, he, you know, again, he was also just a very scary. And

then these are people on the phone. Yeah. All right. Fine. Fine. Fine. Um, you also started giving his stuff away. Yeah. That was the other thing.'re like, all right, fine, fine, fine. You also started giving us stuff away. That was the other thing. So giving away all of his fancy stuff, any piece of Tom Cruise dolls. You're going to want this one. You're going to really want this one, right? Because this is from Coctail. You know, it's going to be a lot of money.

It's in the box. That loan, of course, that he begged American Express for, that extension was for a plane ticket back to Minneapolis. See, by this point, Andrew, of course, was still doing a lot of meth. And in his meth fuel paranoia, he'd become convinced that his friend's Jeff Trail and David Madsen were lovers. In fact, Andrew actually called Jeff Trail to confront him about his suspicions. But after Jeff denied that anything was going on, Koonan and ended the conversation by screaming, I'm going to kill you Jeffrey trail. You're

dead. It's got to be more subtle than that. It does seem like a bit on the nose. It's interesting because Vogueer favors also kind of breaks down a little bit more of this. This is all entirely in his head. Yeah, Koonanins. Jeff Trail was the guy that he was, you know, the all American bully that was still in the closet. It did not know, like, you know, he was a soldier. He had a lot of other things that caused him to sort of like leave the area where he was

with Andrew Koonan. And he was trying to live like a simpler life, essentially, and trying to figure out like, and so he didn't understand. He always thought him and Andrew were just friends. Like, they never really crossed the, the Rubicon of, of sexual Congress. Well he knew that Andrew Koonan wanted him. Yes. Because Koonan was constantly pressuring him for it.

But like Jeff Trail truly was one of those, like, he's like most gay dudes. He's just some born ass dude. Yes. Just a truly normal guy, truly normal born dude. And same with his friends on good too. Exactly. Very much so. And David Madsen also was just a normal guy. And he had had other, but he had, at this time,

he had another boyfriend. Like, he had two guys in a row. Like, he'd like normal boyfriends, like literally just normal relationships. And he kept trying to explain to him. He's like, number one, Andrew, I have, I don't know, I don't,'t you know me and Jeff are not together We're friends because they're in Minneapolis and a place like this, but you know

The gay community sticks together. Yeah, right because it is a really intense place to be gay and out gay Especially at this time period still right even though there's a lot more awareness and people are trying to kind of be cooler about it It's still like very difficult. It's you are still a It's a pressed person. Is that where Dahmer was? He was in Milwaukee. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, this is, yeah, this is 1997. It's like people are barely becoming okay with like willing grace. Yeah. You know, it was a big deal to be outed, right? You know, like all of these types of things. And so they're all kind of, no, could they do know each other in a circle? But Andrews, like, but Dave David Manson was just like, listen, like we're all just kind of 10 gentle

friend. We're all just like, you know, hanging out like chill out literally, chill the fuck out. Yeah, Jeff trail had like a regular monogamous boyfriend, just hanging out. Everyone's just fucking hanging out being normal people. But with the death threat, it seems like Jeff Trail took Koonan and only half seriously. He was concerned for himself, yes, but he was also concerned for Koonan and his mental state because Jeff Trail was a good dude who actually cared about people. He just happened to make the wrong friend. But soon after the threatening call, Andrew Koonan and attended a dinner party at a restaurant called California cuisine. Never go to a restaurant in another city named after another state. Cause it's never correct.

No, no, this was in California. Oh, this is in this was in this was in San Diego. Okay, okay. Yeah, never go to California cuisine in Minneapolis. Yeah. How is California pizza kitchen a viable business? I don't know. I don't know.

California has the worst pizza in the world. That is real. That is a guarantee. Yeah. They've been living off of this. I have no idea. It's no sense. It's one of those. I think it's just it's a front. They're running money to somebody. I'm looking at Mitch McConnell. Well, Kunanan ordered the ostrich. Sure. And told a friend that he was going to quote, take care of some business in Minnesota. In on April 26, 1997, Andrew did just that.

You always do. I always have business in Minnesota. Yeah, I always got it. You gotta go take care of. Don't you worry, Marcus. I'm gonna take care of it right away. Yeah. I love when my friends tell me vague plans

that they have to go take care of something six states away. Yeah, I bought a one-way ticket to go take care of some business. I have to kill him. I'm going to kill him. Don't kill him. Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Even though Kunanan had explicitly threatened to kill Jeff Trail, David Madsen still picked

him up at the airport, telling his friends that he felt like Kunanan was in a bad place and needed some help. Yes, Trail and Madsen also didn't realize that Andrew Kunanim was a different person to everyone he knew. They only knew the Andrew that he wanted them to see. And even though they were getting a little tired of dealing with Andrew's shit, they were convinced that they could help him through his substance abuse problems and mental health issues.

This unfortunately would be to the great detriment of both Jeff Trail and David Matzen. Now Andrew Kunanan was staying at David Matzen's place when he arrived in Minneapolis in late April. But while David was out of the house, Kunanan called Jeff Trail and asked him to come over ostensibly so they could talk things through. Yeah, they were, it's really interesting. In my mind, I don't know how much of this was a setup or not. I know that he stayed at David Madsen's place because he had nowhere else to go. Yeah.

And the man allowed him to, he had no more money. He had no, he was, he had no, he couldn't stay at a hotel. He had burned every fucking bridge that he possibly had. Most people were kind of creeped out by him. Yeah. Well, Jeff Trails soon realized upon his arrival though, that he was only going to be interacting with an I rate Andrew Koon on it. According to a neighbor, a person began shouting, get the fuck out around 10 p.m.

And for about a minute, the neighbor heard more shouting and a series of thuds before everything suddenly went silent. You sit there in bed hearing that, God the fuck, Buh-buh, please do, B is a part of where, this is where the homophobia comes in. Yes. Everybody talks about me like, that must be some wild gay sex happening in there. And it's like, man, again, mostly it is just,

ugh, ugh, ugh, thank you. And then it or it's silent. Yeah, it's the same noises that we make during sex, but double. Yeah. So you imagine a bin in the middle of renovating his kitchen. So tools were lying about in all sorts of convenient positions. From what forensics could surmise,

Kunan and grabbed a claw hammer swung at it, Jeff and missed creating a dent in the wall. Another neighbor claims that they heard running and Jeff did indeed make a break for it. But from the blood spatter found outside the apartment in the hallway and the brain matter found in the doorframe, Andrew quickly caught up. It was a scene from a horror movie. Yeah, but even so, Jeff held on for a little while longer, enough for there to be multiple

defensive wounds on his arms from the hammer blows, but eventually the attack became too fierce, and Andrew Koonan and finished off his friend with 27 hammer blows to the head. Now, if you'll remember, this was not Jeff Trails or Andrew Koonan in department. This was David Madsen's apartment, and he came home soon after the murder to find that one of his friends had killed another of his friends with the claw hammer. Now, this is one of those true crime questions that has been bandied about by many different people. What was the situation in that apartment after this crime?

Because it's impossible to know. It's impossible to know, because we know that there were conjecture obviously put into the show. The show that came out where it's like, they played out a drama scene, which kind of makes sense, but there's a bunch of different views here about what happened next, but we can never know because neither one of them got to tell the story.

Yeah. Before they were both dead. I mean, who knows what decision you're going to make when you see a dead body in your apartment? Yes. You know, that's just like something that happens. Well, I know, I know you should call the police. Yeah, I would call the police. Someone swinging a hammer around.

Well, you just truly, I still feel like the main thing at all times is what we talked about, like, it's always be a man and run away. Like, you see that shit coming? You just book it. You just get the fuck away from the guy. You got as far away as humanly possible and you call the police as soon as you can. You could have gone, he probably went in a fucking shock. Yeah.

Sure. No, I'm not saying what you should have gone, he probably went in a fucking shock. Yeah. Yeah, sure. No, I'm not saying what you should, like he should have done. It's just more like that it was what I would say if you can put yourself in the situation and just make sure you literally run away. Well, we'll get into here in a second, as to why that may not have been an option. Of course. Now, author Maureen Oreth strongly hints that David Mattson may have been involved in the murder or soon became an accomplice after discovering a murder had taken place.

But I'm more inclined to agree with David Mattson's family. If only because Maureen Orruth always goes for the most salacious option. Yes. Mattson's family believed that for the next five days, David was effectively Andrew Koonanins hostage. I believe that is I am in that realm as well very much so. I think that he came in Andrews covered in blood

There is a corpse on the floor or he has already rolled him up in the carpet, right? Because we know that he did that I think that they he Andrew first thing he says is like You want to see you want to see who they blame first because whose name is on the lease like literally like It's this is your apartment, buddy You know like I don't know what your apartment buddy, you know, like, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened, David went crazy. He's like, he's like practicing me like,

oh my god, David, he went nuts. You know, like, he's probably saying that to him. Yeah. Yeah, oh no, because remember, like Andrew Crananan is brilliantly manipulative. Like he is like superficially, his intelligence is very shallow, but he knows how to talk to people. He know he knows what people want to hear.

Well, he knows how to fuck you up. Yeah. I mean, he knew how to manipulate people. 100%. He knew what people had to not necessarily what people wanted to hear, but what people Needed to hear what they had to hear in order for them to get what he wanted them to do. Don't worry. Yeah. And just how to fuck you up. Yeah. I want a normal kind person sees an atrocity like this. They freeze. Yeah, they freeze and they think they're going wanted them to do. Oh, we're, yeah, and just had to fuck you up. Yeah. And what a normal kind person sees an atrocity like this. They freeze. Yeah, they freeze and they think they're gonna go to prison. Of course, because I'm happy, he's dreams, personally. Oh, yeah, we all have these dreams.

Oh, yeah, of course. That's, yeah. Now, even though Kunanan had learned many things throughout the years, cleaning up a crime scene was not one of them. Trails corpse was wrapped in a rug, dragged into the living room, and left behind a sofa.

When Kunan and tried cleaning up the blood with paper towels, he only succeeded in smearing the blood on every surface, and obviously gave up on the job, considering how there were bloody footprints everywhere. The one thing he did not do was work hard. And you know, I can't never give anything to a murderer, but it actually takes a lot of effort to really clean up your murders. It really does. And you gotta get bounty.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta get seriously. Or Brony, Brony's good too. Do we have that ad placement here? He did actually try to use paper towels to clean up all this. You can't, you gotta use rags. Yeah, you gotta use rock. You gotta pick a rapper.

Yeah, fucking bleach. The whole thing. Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah, you gotta use a picker, rapper. Yeah, fucking bleach. The whole thing. The whole thing. Yeah, no, he was Andrew Kronan was extremely lazy. The only thing that he could do was talk. Anything else was beyond him. Well, strangely though, Jeff Trails corpse was stripped of its clothes and jewelry,

which were all put in a plastic garbage bag with the bloody paper towels and the hammer that was left under the table. Seemingly, there had been half of a plan to dispose of Jeff Trail's corpse, but that plan was obviously abandoned. Most likely Andrew realized that it was just too much hard work to dispose of a body, and he may have even seen body disposal and crime seen clean up as beneath him. What we do know is that somehow Andrew Kunanin came to be in possession of Jeff Trail's 40-calibre handgun, possibly because Jeff had brought it with him knowing that Kunanan

might be dangerous or because Jeff might have had it in his car. Because Andrew Kunanan knew that Jeff Trail carried a gun with him everywhere he went. Yes. But either way, this was the weapon that Kunanan most likely used to hold bats in hostage. It also just could have been information. It then just be in there. Now you're a party to this. You're too connected to this for you to go away.

But what's amazing is that for three days, both men stayed in Madsen's apartment with trails quickly decomposing corpse. This fact is known because on April 29th, witnesses saw mats and Kunanan walking mats and dog prints. Prince. That was the name of the dog PRI and T.S. Oh. Yeah, we're too. Prince, you know what's funny about that?

That's the German spelling of Prince. Whoa, interesting. Yeah. Maybe my might, hmm, questions, please. Who incident? I feel that this is a symptom of narcissism. Is that, you know, again, armchair, just again, entirely subjective show.

We, you know, my, my call from my little sweaty senior is that I think that it's a symbol of the, maybe in a way, all this can kind of just go away. Like you can, you live in this lullaby land. Like maybe we're like, this is, it's surreal. I'm certain, I'm certain it's extremely surreal, like, especially for David Mattsin, he's just like kind of sitting in Andrews, first blaming him and slowly being like, we're going to get out of this. Like slowly explaining about how we're going to get out of this clean.

Don't worry. We're going to, we're going to, it's you and me now, like, and maybe David Mattsin's out. You're in so, you're in so much shock that you're kind of letting this other person take over for you're like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess things will be okay. And because you're just kind of you trapped. Yeah. But from what a neighbor said, David, when they saw him walk in the dog, David looked like he'd been crying while Andrew was maniacally gesturing and jabbering like always.

I'm just saying I feel that it would have been better if Penelope Cruz was a cold treatment. He is one of the worst single tall bitches. I've ever seen where she would go far and away. Jeff Trails boyfriend tried reporting Jeff as a missing person on April 27th after Jeff never showed up for their date the night before. And when the boyfriend checked Jeff's apartment, he wasn't there either. Police, of course, refused to do anything because 72 hours had not yet passed. It was also, it was very much because they were gay. Yes, they were like, they did the thing. They're like, technically only family can report

a person missing. Like they, they, they, they stiffed our memories because like, well, I'm like, that's my boyfriend, you know, I mean, and they're like, yeah, whatever. You guys all got nine of them. You know, I mean, like that shit head like home phobia at the time. Yeah. But when David Matt's an uncharacteristically didn't show up for work on April 29th, his co-workers called his building manager, who opened the door to the apartment at 4 p.m. after walking down a hallway streaked with blood.

I think he even like asked a neighbor to come with him. Like he saw the blood and he's like, Hey, there's something fucked up. Can you come with me? Yeah. And once inside, they found a pool of dried blood and a body wrapped in a rug, which was reasonably believed to be the body of David Matzen. But little did the building manager know that David and Kunanan were hiding in the bedroom. When the manager left to call the police, Andrew and David escaped down the fire escape and took off and Jeff's Jeep chair.

Hold on to my butt. We're like, we're Batman and Robin. We're like Batman and Robin. I'm, I'm a multiple murder. Now, the investigator who arrived on the scene was a man named Sergeant Bob Titchitch, this guy, going off what the manager knew about David, Sergeant Bob decided immediately that this was probably quote, a gay thing. He also assumed that the body was David's.

And now, honestly, was the first error, right? Obviously, it was an error. They didn't know what to do because they're saying that at the time period, when this was right after the OJ Simpson trial, all the types of shit. So the one thing that vulgar favors sort of blames this first mistake on is the police now like over protection of evidence because the whole thing is that, you know, a lot of shit got destroyed during the, the OJ Simpson investigation and then blame the police and like, you know, all this kind of evidence got destroyed.

So now they kind of use it weirdly as a weapon being like, we don't care what anybody says. We're taking this as we're taking the beginnings of these investigations as long as humanly possible. And so they weren't kind of unfold the rug. He was also super fucking weirded out because, you know, like you have to, if that's not David Mattsin, I'd need a search warrant to be in this room. And then all of this goes away. Everything in this room goes away legally. I can't cover this. And so they called it, David, Matt

and but that's what allowed them to get away. That's allowed them to get going as fat as like get the jump on police. But as they began looking around the apartment, they began seeing signs pointing towards a man named Andrew Koonanin inside a gym bag with Koonanin's name on it, they found the world's worst go back containing porn steroids, hand and leg cuffs, loob and an empty gun holster. It's the empty gun holster. You know, as they're like, you're using a loob on the gun. You mean, like, get it even to understand that's an, I'm a go bag. Oh, because for why they thought they don't know why he had these like, he's like super high-end steroids on him.

And it just seemed like it was another, he, there's a lot of conjecture about what he did for money. And you can, and because it's all like, you know, obviously there's sex work on them, but it seems like he was really into drugs across the board. And you're just telling drugs. When you take steroids and you don't work out, you get fat and angry. Yeah. And there was none in the system.

They said there was none in the system. It was not that. If you because that was guest that happened to my buddy. He started taking steroids and didn't work out. He just got all fat and angry. Yeah. He stopped hanging out with him. That's a self-protection.

But once the body was determined to be not David Madsen's, but Jeff Trails, Madsen became the main suspect. Although there was a message on Trails answering machine from Kunanan inviting Trails to Madsen's apartment. That message, however, only fed into the narrative that Kunanan, Trail and Madsen had been involved in a love triangle that had resulted in the murder of one of the participants. Yeah. And that just went all over the news. Yeah. It's just, I mean, it just comes back to this narrative that the police had that they just put out at all point is these gaze

are crazy. They craze. Yeah. Jeff had a separate relationship, right? Jeff had a boyfriend. Yeah. A normal boyfriend. Well, I think it would already reported it. Who'd already tried reporting into the police. So that's a love square. Yeah, and it's a love square. Among two other, you know, it's just two other points in other geological locations. They are not connected. There's no left.

There's just like a couple of guys with boyfriends and they're fucking psycho friends. Yeah, who killed everybody? Yeah. He technically was the one who brought them all together. Hmm, interesting. And it's not the tragedy. It's not.

The going theory that Sergeant Bob was working with was that Madsen was a steroid user who flew into a rage and killed Jeff Trail, which was the theory that he shared with Trail's parents, who had no idea the trail was gay. Yeah, he was, he, his lack of bedside manor was noted many, many times. Yes. Madsen, Sergeant Bob surmised might have then ran off with this mysterious third fellow named Andrew Koonon. Now, David and Andrew either took their time getting out of Minneapolis or removing slowly and carefully, although their behavior points towards the former if you believe witnesses. According to reports,

they were spotted on May 2nd at a bar in the town of Spark wearing khaki shorts and flirty open shirts. God, it's so, it's like everybody's all with the flirty image. It's a big issue. Sure. But as Andrew and David drove on I 35 towards Duluth, something changed, although it's impossible to know what. Maybe David Madsen said, I can't do this anymore. I bet. Yeah, he's like, let's just call the police.

Yeah. Let's just do this. This is getting crazy. Why are we running? Because I think for a while, Andrew Kananan was morbidly curious about what his fate was going to be as that he sat and then he was watching kind of the news play out. And then he was starting to get that old funny feeling where he was like, oh, is this attention? Yeah. And he's starting to like, oh, my name is like in the news. And you can kind of feel like a little like, oh, is this attention? Yeah. And he's starting me like, oh, my name is like in the news. And you can kind of feel like a little like, because I feel like, because they talk about with serial colors, they would often go back to the scene of the crime to relive what's

going on. I think the hesitancy to leave is we're like, let's kind of see how this place out a little bit. Yeah, let's see the local news. And also Duluth is a charming town. Is it? Yeah, it's got a nice bridge, horrible zoo, but the, but the, but the, but the, I don't want to see a Duluth zebra. What we all we know for sure is that Koonan and pulled off the road about 45 miles north

of Minneapolis, where he and Madsen got out of the Jeep near East Rush Lake. Madsen was walking in front of Koonan and when Andrew took Jeff Trails pistol and shot Madsen in the back. Madsen fell to his hands, at which point Kunanan walked in front of him. As Madsen looked up, Kunanan aimed the pistol and shot Madsen in the eye, killing him instantly. Kunanan then shot him once more in the face, dragged his body 20 feet away, then got back in the car, and drove off. By the time that since body was found 18 hours later,

Kunanan was already on his way to Illinois. Man, it was a witness, the witness that found the body was like a guy that was a fisherman over there. And the, his first sentiment in the book, Vogue or Favorites, was just like, you know, I don't know what it is about dropping bodies by the water. Something like spiritual, I guess, or something, but they're always finding them there. And you just fucking minutes. Whatever. Always I rate there. You know, like, like, like, you know, I mean my kids are there, but at the same time, I get it. It's nice.

Now, Shasago County Police immediately publicized everything they knew about the case, including the bullet casings they found at the murder scene that were of the 40 caliber golden saber variety. This of course caught the attention of Sergeant Bob, who knew that the same type of bullets have been used in his murder case. So he called up the shiqs. This word is so shiqsago shiqsago is very difficult to say. Yeah, because you want to say Chicago. Yeah, of course, it's shiqsago or it's the county in which the dead bats and murder occurred. Oh, yeah. So it's either chisago. It might be Chisago. It might be, I don't know. It might be Chisago. I'm gonna look it up right now. Yeah.

Look it up right, fucking now. No, not a pronounced Chicago. I'm not a cracker. They're not gonna let you know. They're not gonna go to Chicago. Why are you, no, I'm not going to, I don't want to pronounce Chicago. I know.

I actually, in writing this, I realized that someone could pronounce Chicago as Chicago. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, let's start doing that. Chicago. Yeah, Chicago. Yeah, it's like Kuna Nan.

Here we go. I got this. Chishago, guys. Chishago. Chishago. So, we were wrong on every point. Is that like a scene from a bit? Like a silent?

Yeah. Chishago. Chishago. Like like a shot like Chicago, but Chishago. Oh, fuck. God, we've ground to a horse. God, the English language. Why are we doing this? I actually think that might be Native America. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

So this sheriff called up the Chishago police department and helped identify David Mattson's body soon after a call was put out for Mattson's body. Soon after, a call was put out for Mattson's Jeep Cherokee, which was most likely now being driven by Andrew Koonanin as far as the police were concerned. Now, once it became clear that Koonanin was the main suspect in the Chishago County murder, Sheriff Randy Shreggman traveled to San Diego to check out Koonanin's apartment apartment where he soon found himself completely out of his element. Well, no, this seems to be a big difference for me.

I just don't know. I see that man's pubic hair. I feel like this is a bunch of risky business. I'd rather be going Tom Cruisey. But in addition to the bizarre Tom Cruise shine, which may or may not have existed, Schwegman also found an incredible amount of SNM gear. Oh, I wish these bees boys would be nicer to each other. And a stack of brutal VHS porantates, some involving sex with animals.

Please, Jess, you should be petting them. Not that way, though. Hey, oh, you should just be right, but not that way way. The world. I don't want to watch all of them. Can we do we have the gist of it? Honestly, I'm starting to get it to it. You also found photos of Kudan and himself wearing a range of expressions and hairstyle. You know, he really could have been an actor. Shweggman then went through Andrews fashionable wardrobe, although Shweggman admitted that he was not a fashionista. And I'm kind of jack at whatever this is.

You can see your nipples for this. In fact, Shweggman later said, and this is direct quote, I'm not into fashion, but I knew that these were close. That's like saying, I'm not in a beef, but I know these are burgers. But the most important detail was an Andrew Koonan in diary. In an entry written just before Koonan went to Minneapolis, Andrew wrote that if he needed to get lost, he'd do it in New York City. Because you could be anybody there.

I love it. Yeah, he loves New York, man. And so police in the Northeast were alerted. And for good measure, Sheriff Shweggman passed on to higher authorities that someone should probably let Tom Cruise know that there's a nut job on the loose. Meanwhile, like him above is like nine Scientology slaves, like them like practicing for the Christmas party that year.

It's like, I think if he why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's and just like all these guys just like crying, you know, but you're supposed to jerk off to it. And until he gets here, and he gets a lot for the man to take. Yeah. Now, the authorities were of course pretty confident that they would pick up Koon on an in short order, but that's because they didn't know who they were dealing with. A federal fugitive warrant was issued and they surveilled Koon on and San Diego apartment because Sheriff Schwagman was convinced Andrew

was going to return. But the trail soon went cold and nobody knew where to even start looking for Andrew Koon on it. As it turned out, Andrew was headed straight to Chicago where he would cross paths for the 72-year-old real estate developer named Lee Migglin. Not to dispel any assumptions, Migglin was not a sugar daddy, even though the show very much portrays him as a sugar daddy. Yeah. For, yeah. For drama's sake. Yeah. It does make sense. But, you know, it's a better story if he's a sugar daddy. But he's a real person. Yeah. It's just called, it's called portrayals. And they got the, the people that wrote the book and the vulgar favors, they talk, there's like a 30 minute, like 30 page, like search where they talk about how they try to dig in to try to find

out if he was a sugar daddy for a long time. And there was no direct evidence that pointed towards him doing anything like that. Well he'd led an interesting life. He was a known person. He designed several of Chicago skyscrapers and he'd married a nightclub chorus girl named Marilyn, who herself operated a successful cosmetics and perfume company that sold their products on the home shopping network. And the TV in the TV show, she was played by the woman who played the mom and who's the boss. She won. I think she's coming in for Emmy. She's great. And she's incredible. She did

a really wonderful job. Yeah. Reportedly, the TV sales alone on Marilyn Miglins makeup company earned $6 million a year. And Maryland came to be known as the Queen of Mekopers. But when Andrew Koonan and rolled into Chicago, Maryland Miglin was in Toronto on a business trip. Now, as far as why Koonan and went to Chicago, it's speculated that he knew a rich family there and it spent a fair amount of time in the city. But even though he was on the run, Koonan and was still going to gay bars every night

and he was sleeping in David Madsen's Cherokee. There was a term that a guy said, I forget what it was. It's like, I think he said cocooning. He's like, there's a thing that you can do because if you go to the bath houses, right? Like for these various places, he's like, you basically stay at the bar till the closes.

And then you go to the bathhouses and you do shower and do whatever you could stay there all day. He's like, he's seen it happen before. You watch a guy kind of roll in a town and then he's kind of living for free. He's staying all day, you know, like hanging out, like eating all the free stuff and anything you're just free. He's obviously got nowhere to go. He seems probably that he's homeless, but he manages to get some kind of amount of money

to stay in these various places. I think that he went to Chicago because he started one of his lies back in the day, what's him saying, I have a business investment company in Chicago. And this is where you wonder, like, is, are his lies real, right? Is he saying truths that then are, that this shows to be real, or does Andrew Kronanan have an instinctual understanding that someone is going to tell his story after all of this is over. And this completes one of my lies.

I go to Chicago. It fulfills one of the things I told somebody is that I knew this old sugar daddy in the Chicago area that takes care of me blah, blah, blah. And then what they've done is then they never were like, oh, yeah, he knew just to kind of flesh out his own like expose later on down the line. Yeah. And he also knew people in Chicago. He had gone to Chicago multiple times. He knew people. He knew people. He knows people everywhere. Yeah, and he also knew people in Chicago. He had gone to Chicago multiple times. He knew people everywhere. He knows people everywhere. Yeah, he does.

Now, obviously, Kunanan was gonna run out of cash and his credit cards were all maxed out. And it's believed that this is why Kunanan drove out to the wealthy gold coast district of Chicago to visit the Miglin home. Now, there's a lot of speculation as to why Kunanan went to the Miglin home. But the most likely rumor was that

Miglin's son Duke was an actor in LA who knew Kunan. And that was how Kunan and found Miglin's house and talked his way into the home. Because we know he got in, he didn't break it. No, he didn't. But there's also a lot of evidence of points to the fact that he might have been casing the house. Maybe.

There is some of that. I feel like they waited for the someone to go away. I think that he knew that the wife was gonna leave for the they waited for the someone to go away. I think that he knew that the wife was going to leave for the weekend because she left her to go on a business trip. And he, because there, there is that saying that the car, that, that car like the year driving was seen several times in the neighborhood casing. And then maybe he did know, maybe that's what it was. He was waiting for it to see if we would end up alone. And then he could talk his way into the house

being like, I know your son, Duke. Now, and it's also, but it also begs the question as to, you know, how did Andrew Kuhnott, like if he's just friends with this guy, Duke, like how many people, like friends do you have that you casually mention your parents' street address? Or, which is weird. If you look it up, Lee Meglyn was famous.

So he finds out where he lives. Yep. And then maybe what he does, there's also the contentia because he talked about how Lee Migglin was working outside all day. He was going in and out of the project and his garage. He was going in and out from the garage back to the house. And so is this another scenario where he rolled up and he saw him and then he flashes the gun and he holds to be like, this is a robbery, right?

Maybe it's like that too. Maybe there's that thing where it starts the whole thing as a robbery because Lee Migglin knew that he was just going to give up because that's the advice, right? Is it you just let him take whatever they're going to fucking take? Yeah. Also, it's the 90s. Every phone booth has a phone book in it. Yeah, I guess you could look at someone's address. Yeah. Yeah. Now, the more salacious reasoning behind Koonan and Zerival at the Miglin home was rumors that Miglin was bisexual, a nurse who hosted an AIDS education support group claimed to have

heard Lee Miglin's name several times during sessions, but it seems more likely that this woman was just another vulture trying to insert herself into the story. Yeah, anyone who, why would any why would she say that? Like, even if it's true, like who gives a shit? Boulder favors, that is where it gets like deep into the, the, the, the very intense, salacious end of this whole thing because it's, it's picking up anybody because he was a famous man in Chicago, you know, like he was a well known entity. It seems like an abro ment. Yes.

And it's truly, and it's saying, let's talking about him. I think that you just, when people know you, you're just a collection of projections to everybody. So it's like, it's that thing where you, they just say that name. They just say, who knows? Who fucking knows? No, who knows if they

actually said the name or if this woman just decided that she wanted to be a part of the story and just made some shit up. All I know is is that they, they, they do document invoices favors, the search to see if any of this was real and they could not find a single person that can actually like put him with another dude in a room together. Yeah. Now what went on between Lee Miglin and Andrew Koonan and is a total mystery.

Yeah. We don't know whether Koonanin was invited inside or forced his way in using his pistol, but Lee Meaglen definitely answered the door when Koonanin rang the doorbell. Again, it's impossible to know the chain of events here, but at some point, Koonanin either forced Meaglen into the garage at gunpoint

or made up a reason for Meaglen to take him to the garage, because it was obvious that Koonanin needed to get rid of David Madsen's Jeep. But once they were in the garage, the torture of Lee Migglin began. Kunanin shoved a white garden glove in Migglin's mouth, then bound Migglin's face completely in masking tape, cutting a hole right around Migglin's nose so he could breathe. His ankles were also bound with an extension cord, possibly to add a bit of SNM into the mix, because it's at this point that Andrew undressed Lee Migglin before truly launching were also bound with an extension cord, possibly to add a bit of SNM into the mix.

Because it's at this point that Andrew undressed Lee Meaglen before truly launching into a quick but brutal murder. After slamming his fist down onto Meaglen's chest over and over again, Kunanan took a screwdriver and stabbed it into Meaglen's chest 20 times. It's here that Andrew Kunanan began experimenting. It's almost as if he's trying on the role of the serial killer. That's here that Andrew Koonanin began experimenting. It's almost as if he's trying on the role of the serial killer. That's how it feels. Taking a pruning saw, Andrew vigorously sawed into Migglin's throat, slashing blood all over the garage. The gash was seven inches long and wound from the back of Migglin's neck to his throat, almost to capitated him.

Koonanin then redressed Migglin and ended the mutilation of the corpse by placing two bags of cement on Meglyn's chest, fracturing all of his ribs. The body was then either pushed under one of Meglyn's cars or pushed to the side of the car behind a trash can, depending on the source. But perhaps learning from the murder of Jeff Trail, Kunanan then covered the body in plastic garbage bags, placed some brown paper on top of those and draped it with a small rug. And after that, Kunanan simply made himself at home. You know, this is where there's there's several different lines of conjecture here where

like they always say like, well, he obviously knew the home because he made a sandwich and he shaved and showered. I can hear sandwich anywhere. This is what I'm saying. I'd say like, I could go into any fucking house in the world. It's just a man and manage to make myself a sandwich and fucking shape, except unless it's like the fucking Winchester mystery house. Yeah, I think that you can make your way around a house.

It's easy to make yourself at home. It's called taking your pants off. Yeah. There's a whole business called Airbnb. Yeah, you just go home. Someone's home. I mean, I was like, it's her own. I don't walk around and have like a post-itping like,

this is where the water comes out. It's called a faucet. Have you heard of a bathroom? No, it's just a house. And considering what Andrew did next, we can assume that Miglin and Kunan and had a friendly conversation before the attack because Andrew obviously knew that Miglin's wife would not be returning that night. My pushback though is is that what if he didn't give a shit and if you came in the house, he would shoot you in the fucking

head. It's also a possibility. And then maybe he also, but I also think I think he cased it, but I think he might have cased it. He was, but at any rate, he was way too comfortable and he was being way too comfy and vulnerable for him to think that maybe this woman might come home. Unless he just realized I'm kind of used to living with corpses now. Was she on TV that night? No, she was in Toronto on a business trip. Yeah. Well, after killing Midland, Koonan and took a a big slab of ham on the bone out of the fridge

and carried it to Miglin's study. I'm trying not to like this. No, this is the only thing that is relatable. There, he sliced off a piece with a big knife, made himself a sandwich, and stabbed the knife back into the ham. But a trauma queen? I know. He then went to Miglin's bedroom, watched TV, and fell asleep in Miglin's bed, presumably

unbothered by what he just done. The next morning, Kunnan and Showered and shaved, then took one of Miglons leather jackets, a wristwatch, 10 gold coins, and $10,000 in cash. He then hopped in Miglons Lexus and headed east towards New York. Yeah, and that's where, well, then, you know, it depends on whether or not how hidden those items were. Yeah, unless they were just out, would you just also just straight up you's where, well, then, you know, it depends on whether or not how hidden those items were. Yeah, unless they were just out,

would you just also just straight up you going to, you're just literally just ripping through somebody's house and taking whatever it is. Like, you're into study, so you're probably just looking as far as you could. So he slept before he showered? What a dirty asshole. Yeah.

Yeah, actually, he did sleep before he showered. Yeah, what? He's already, I mean, you know, I don't think he cares a lot. He's covered in blood. Yeah. Now Marilyn Migglin arrived home soon after Kunan and left, annoyed that her husband hadn't picked her up from the airport, but she soon realized that something was terribly wrong because while Lee was a neat, almost festitious person, the house was a fucking mess.

In addition, their green Lexus was gone. Yeah, he had the house clean every day. Yeah. Maryland soon fetched a neighbor and called the cops, but while they waited, they tried calling the car phone in the Lexus. The first message stated that the number was unavailable. But when they tried again, they heard an automated response saying the number they were trying to reach was now out of state. He was long gone. But police pretty quickly found Lee Migglin's body behind the other car and discovered that Kunnan had left behind a bizarre crime scene. Now Andrew had cleaned up a lot of the blood for some reason, which was obvious to

police that something horrible had happened and that somebody had cleaned up because Migglin's body had been horrifically mutilated. But when police lifted the body, they found, they just was weird shit all over the room. They found a small amount of hydrochordazone cream beneath his body. Yeah, it is really strange. I don't know what the hell that is.

Yeah. Additionally, Andrew had left some gay porn mags nearby and Migglin's gene zipper was open, although some of the zipper teeth were missing from where Andrew would like roughly undress the corpse. You know what seems to be again, Andrew Koonan, and at this point knows he's being covered by the media. He loves it.

I think that's that's part of this is that he loves this story is happening. He loves the fact that he's finally getting this attention. I think that this was a big old, old-fashioned serial killer message to the world. I think the part of this was to sort of muddy the waters, being like, maybe he was my sugar daddy. Maybe he was about, you know, like, and pulling more, like, basically because at the time, you know, it was considered to be, he was like disrespecting the corpse. Yeah. You know, in many ways. And I think he also was sort of trying on the serial killer thing a little bit more. Yes.

With the gay porn mags. Trying to communicate with the police. No, I think he was trying to masturbate over the corpse and it wasn't quite working. So he brought in some gay porn mags, try to help him along and it still didn't quite work. There's something that there's a, I do think that there's a public humiliation edge to the, the, the, the Lee Migglin murder. There's something about trashing this man.

And that's the reason why they thought there was a personal edge. Okay, no, I lost those. I don't know. If there was no other gay porn in the house, then he must have brought it. Yeah. Yeah, because you don't just have three magazines. You know, he's very well. He'd have a man in there.

Well, additionally, they found one of Miglin's shoes in the trunk of his Lexus, leading police to assume that at one point, the murderer had tried putting the body in the trunk, but failed. Or the murderer had changed their mind after forcing Mlyn inside and brought him back out again. I think he wanted the shoes because they were like super-expensive shoes. But it just took one of them. I something happened. It's really strange. Again, I don't think he was thinking clearly. Well, the other shoe is on the foot. Yeah, it was on the body. But when you consider the fact that there were high levels of carbon monoxide found in Meglyn's blood, and the fact that Meglin had no defensive wounds, it's possible that Kunanan forced Migglin into the trunk at gunpoint and used carbon monoxide

to make Migglin pass out. That's interesting. I think he could have killed him that way. No, he wasn't killed. They knew that he was killed from his staff. The wounds, yeah. Yeah, he then committed every other atrocity while Miglin was already half dead. Now, because of the gay porn and the fact that Miglin was found wearing race, this is

what the fucking, you know, vulgar favor says, racey bikini underwear. They were just a designer that they were given to him by his wife. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like some Armani, like, you know, let's see on a print fancy underwear. My father wear a banana hammock for forever. Yeah, my father also wore bikini briefs. Yeah, yeah, they loved him for some reason.

I don't think it was a 90s thing. It was something. I don't know. I don't understand. I think it's a weird flex. It's like, I don't give a shit. Here's my little briefs. Yeah, I just like a little tiny bit. But I feel like it's unless you're huge.

It just makes your dick balls look small. It's always a weird little greasy guys. You know, if you have it, I think you're like five years away from doing it yourself. Double weight, you're like me, Blossop. It's like me, Blossop. Actually, when I picture you in, like just in your underwear,

I picture you wearing leopard skin briefs. You know what it is? I don't, it hurts my balls. It just seems like that could be, that's you. I have tried it. Yeah. That is real. I knew you at least tried it.

I bought a tube of some once. I thought maybe I'll try it, right? Like father like son. Yeah. It's the strip. Ah, yeah. The worst part is that fucking, it's, they're never comfortable enough on the tank. Get a size bigger.

No, but then I know my dick and balls are just hanging out. What is the point of this tape your balls? What is this whole process? I just want to wear I like my box. Well, because of the game porn and the bikini underwear, the media narrative became that this was some sort of gay sex game gone horribly wrong. Chicago homicide detectives, however, initially operated on organized crime angle because Lee Meglyn was in the Chicago real estate world, which had a fair amount of

organized crime mixed in with the legitimate business. This is the jitter my business. And specifically, they thought that the ham with the knife stuck in the meat left in the study, they thought it was a mob calling car. Let me think about this guys think Think about this mob guys fat, right? Stabbing a knife into the ham. That's a fat man crime. It's gotta be the mob.

It's a dumbass shit. But they also remember these guys knew the mayor of Chicago. Yeah, they sent Lee Migglin. Lee Migglin was like close with the man. And so Mary and Barry. No, that's DCiggland was like close with the me. And so is that Mary and Barry? No, that's DC. That's DC back in the day. Oh my God, I wish.

I wish this might be daily. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Or that daily might be the 80s. I don't fucking know who the mayor of Chicago was in 1997. It's very important to start. It's just. Look it up.

Yeah, I am. Look it up. You know, it's interesting is the the mayor's wife sent flowers. The it was daily. It was. You know your fucking mayor's bro. I know what I fuck yeah, you know John mayor. But the the entire state was like this gets solved right.

The fuck now. I think they called it was like a red hot they like this one guy was like you know it's called a hot now they call it a red ball red ball. Yeah, I'm not from the wire Yeah, yeah, it's like they met because the cardinal called and said what are we doing about this right now? So Andrew Conan and I think he knew what he was doing in that aspect by making it not only a notable figure, but humiliating the corpse in the first place, dragging all these other people into it. Like this big, oh, messy fucking way like dumping gay porn on his corpse into it. Like it's got messy, very, very fast.

But after three days of chasing wrong, but I think reasonable leads. I think the organized crime angle was reasonable. Even if the car was stupid, he was in the sky scraper business. Yeah. Chicago police noticed a Jeep Cherokee parked less than a block from Meglands home at a whole pile of parking tickets on the windshield. The plates were called in. And after the Illinois and Minnesota police corroborated their evidence, the case officially became a multi-state murder spree, which turned the case over to the FBI.

Now, with the introduction of the FBI came FBI toys, and the investigators were soon homing in on Andrew Kunun and using an old piece of software called Trigger Fish that was used to triangulate the positions of carphones if they were being used. Yeah, dude. It's my track of carphones. I miss carphones, by the way. Me too. Yeah, me too. You get to and car phone. I can, I miss car phones. Me too. Yeah, me too.

You get to attach to your car. You want to talk to me. You got to do it while I'm in my car. I'm driving. Yeah, yeah. Once I leave the car, you can't fucking talk to me. Don't talk to me. Fuck you.

We can ring all night. We're bringing back car phones. I want car phones. Give me a big fucking heavy bag. Yeah. I wrote a refund. Yeah, it feels like a club. Yeah.

You know, a four pound phone. Now the phone in the Lexus required a code before it could be used, but that didn't stop Andrew from trying to use it again and again. This of course was how the FBI saw Andrew's path east from Illinois to Michigan to Pennsylvania and finally New York. Now, incredibly, Andrew Koonanan had no criminal record whatsoever. That tells you how slippery he was. Well, also he told the line. Yeah, so he had no fingerprints on file

other than a thumbprint for his driver's license. This made it difficult to connect him to any of the crime scenes, and it was doubly difficult because the dumb, dumbs and Minneapolis had left hundreds of their own fingerprints all over David Mattson's apartment. Additionally, it was difficult to recognize Andrew Koonanan

because he looked like a different person in every photograph. Like we said last episode, like Ted Bundy. And he was one of those guys who could pass for any number of races or ethnicity. And he'll tell you anything. He was, you know, I mean, like he said that he was Native American. He said that he was like, he went, he tried a bunch of different things. Yeah.

And besides all that, Andrew could speak multiple languages fluently. And with his talent for bullshit, he could have easily integrated into a community while all this shit died down. He could have even left the country. He spoke Italian. He could have gone to Italy. He had a bunch of fake passports. Yeah, and he'd brag about his fake passports. Not a good idea. Yeah. I can't believe you knew multiple languages. It seems like this is a guy who doesn't commit and

doesn't learn anything. It's his photographic memory. Yeah. If he languages it, but he learned he knew multiple languages because it came easily to him. Yeah. Anything that came easy. just because it came easily to him. Yeah, anything that came easy, wink, he liked. Yeah, the Lesto Taddle. The Lesto always was there. But that wasn't Andrew Koonanin's game. For him, this was all about making his big mark on the world. Oh, yeah, man. Spotlights on me.

And he was obviously loving every second of it. When his belongings were later found, it was discovered that Andrew was saving newspaper clippings of all his crimes as he committed each one. And then in the car he abandoned he had left stuff. He left a couple of pictures. He had left those things. I think trying to tell his little story to the police so that they can tell the world. So he knew every car there was something different left. You would have fucking loved the TV show. Oh, yeah, of course.

Yeah. But since Kunanim was unsurprisingly obsessed with his own story, he soon discovered that the FBI was tracking him by car foam after the national media stupidly and irresponsibly reported, hey, this is how the FBI is tracking this guy. This is the thing. It's just the thing. It's hard because they want, you know, they get, they're trying to search for any detail they can get.

And so they put it in, like, yeah, and it fucked them up. It's like when Geraldo, like, would told the fucking ISIS where the, where the brains were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As quick as he could, Andrew tried disabling the signal by ripping off the phone antenna and completely dismantling the car phone itself.

But little did he know the actual signal was coming from the phone's power box in the trunk. He was also seen several times on the side of the road hacking at his own car antenna. Like there was multiple witnesses. That's why I do that. God damn it. You know what I mean?

I get destroying an antenna. I mean, like, I think subtle about this. No, no, no, he is not that slippery. That's the things. Those old car phone antennas, they used to be attached to the back windshield. Oh, you have that big spring in there.

Far out the back. So this is some maniac on a trunk of a car trying to just fucking rip this thing out. How do you stop the talking? A spackle thing would have done well. It would have done really well. It didn't matter because the thing was in the center of the engine and he's hasn't looked at an engine once.

What's in the trunk? Hey, whatever. He's out of this. Regardless though, Kunan knew that it was time for a new car and a new location. He abandoned the Lexus near the Delaware Memorial Bridge near Pinsville, New Jersey and walked to a nearby civil war veteran cemetery in search of transportation. Well, they use horses. I'm sorry. I am sorry. I am sorry. I am sorry. That's kind of true. It's like, I love that this then becomes back to the future three.

For it's like it is his western adventure. Honestly, I would have loved it. This went all-war space. The rest of this, That would be incredible. Unfortunately, though, since Kunanan had already killed three people, he had most likely realized how easily murder came to it. And like many spree killers like Charles Starkweather, he also began to realize that murder was the quickest way to end an argument. And so, when Kunan and walked to the cemetery, he found a 45-year-old civil war reenactor named William Reese, who'd been the cemetery's caretaker for 20 years.

Reese was also unlucky enough to be in the Cemetery's office on the day that Andrew Kunan and needed a new vehicle. Kunan and walked into the office, said hello, and asked for directions in a glass of water. But when Reese got up to get the water, Conan and pulled out his pistol and aimed it at Reese's head. Reese was then ordered to sit back down and give him the keys to his truck. And after handing them over, Reese was shot in the head and killed instantly. Conan and took off and Reese's red Chevy truck and left behind his checkbook, one of his fake passports and more newspaper

clippings about his crimes in the Lexus. Yeah, it's another high hello to the police once the Lexus was discovered nearby police found the golden saber casings at the William Reese crime scene and bullet fragments that match those found at David Mattson's murder scene. Now with four people dead by Andrews hand in three states, he made the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List and was even featured on America's Most Wanted. I made it! Yeah, that's exactly what he wanted.

He's now national. But because of Andrews' admittedly impressive chameleon-like abilities, and because he quickly switched the license plates on the trucky stole, the trail once again went cold. Now, after Time Time magazine printed an article linking all the murders together and naming Andrew Kunanan as the top suspect two of Andrew's friends contacted the FBI to tell them all they knew about Kunanan. When the FBI agent asked them where Kunanan might go, they had two words to say, Florida, Versace. and that's where we'll pick back up for the conclusion to our series on Andrew Koonanan.

We'll go with to my army. No, I, this, this story really does scare the shed out of me. He really like he freaky. Andrew can and if freaks me out that, that idea of a shape shifter amongst you is fucking very frightening. Yeah. And he is, you know, he, he, but he also wasn't good at it.

He's all willy nilly at this point. Yeah, so I mean, you know, what we call brzerker mode quite often. Is that the wheels are falling off, obviously. The wheels are falling off, but also remember, like between the murder of Jeff Trail and the murder of Andrew Cunon and Capture, three months.

Yeah. Like he was actually very good at it. He was running for a while. Yeah. And speaking of running for a while, I just want to say thank everybody who came out to see me at the Donner party in Atlanta. It was so much fucking fun.

I can't wait. We're going to do it again at some point. What did you eat? There was literal, there was brains, and there was a whole shark-cudery man. Oh, man. Was the brains made out of me? And then there was a tartar. read the brains may that meet and then there was Our I know you know

That was very cool. That was a vegetarian option And then we had like you know the butcher feet cooked up like donor cobbbs. It was so much fun I can't wait. We're gonna do it again at some point. I'll let you know when we do it I also remind you to get the dang Remote tickets if you don't want to get the dang remote tickets. If you don't want to see the Beach Blanket Bingo from your home, put a Veepe.com slash LPL and check it out. I think it's gonna be fucking a lot of fun.

Is it gonna be live? It's gonna be live. Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. And they get to watch it for a couple of days afterwards too, right? Yeah, it's gonna be great. And where I'm really excited, we got a bunch of plans for it. And I also want to announce, because we never really got to, is that our book is out.

The Operation Sunshine is available. It's from Dark Horse Comics. You can get it from your local comic book store, which I think you should. I think that'd be really great. Is it individual ones or is it an individual issue? It's two books of four. So it's got two runs of four.

So with this, the first four, there'll be a little break, then there'll be the second. We call them two four issue volumes in the comic book. Oh, very good. I'm very excited for for this I hope you guys like it's very cool so this is your third comic book second well the third because we need last comic book on the left so this is like we've been this our third but this is the one that we're writing we're really fucking excited for it is very cool that you're doing I love it I love it's fun

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