Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 553: Madame LaLaurie Part II - Evil Enough

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

This week the boys close out the tale of one of New Orleans' most infamous villains - Madame LaLaurie, a wealthy and sadistic socialite whose barbaric lifestyle was finally exposed in 1834 when her Ro...yal Street mansion went up in flames.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's one of the cannibalism started. What was that? Oh, spooky. God, spooky. God, spooky lady.
Starting point is 00:00:31 Spooky, spooky lady, you know what I- Oh, that's a spooky lady. Oh, spooky lady. Spooky, spooky, when I go stand. Spooky, you spooky. I've been thinking about a lot about the girl bossing of Madame Lowly, and I know it's gonna happen. The girl boss version of Madama's going to have that. Wasn't that Kathy Bade?
Starting point is 00:00:50 So I didn't watch the American Horror Story Coven, but wasn't she sort of girl boss Madame Lowly? A little bit, but they haven't gone full. Like I was saying, we get J law. She's bringing new yet. The name still fiend. No, it's going to happen. Yeah, it's gonna be go see ya. It's all her music We're gonna turn her into a hero. I don't know how I think it's gonna say that they were saying I was hiding him from my
Starting point is 00:01:17 hub Right, I mean if they turn her into a sandwich, I can't wait for that. Whoa, the BK LaLaurie. Yeah. Welcome to last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Marcus Parks with Henry Zabrowski and Ed Larson. Spooky! And that's a spooky, baby. Hey, you open that ghost!
Starting point is 00:01:39 Spooky! So when we last left Madame LaLaurie, she just moved into 1140 Royal Street in the French quarter of New Orleans with her husband, Dr. Louis La Lorie. And this is a little detail that we had neglected to mention. She had five children from her two previous marriages. Oh, yeah. And they all lived in this house. Oh, man, I want to say their kids in the end, like it ranged.
Starting point is 00:02:02 They all like 30 years between them by the end. It was a lot. It must have been hot. Like if she was married, like an older woman with five kids. Yeah. No, she was rich. She was hot too, though.
Starting point is 00:02:18 If you see pictures of Delphine, Lallore, she was stately. She was considered very beautiful, poor, son, lad on skin. Those portraits, however, are not original. Doctor. What was AI? I said scream. Okay, lady. Those were done for the 1892 book.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Many years after she died. After she died. So we don't actually know what Madame La Lauri looked like. No, I heard that that pussy be bust and like, yeah, we know it was bust. Yeah, we know that. But we don't know exactly what she looked like. I would imagine she would be one of those women you described as severe looking. I mean, it's weird. I actually saw the opposite. She said she said she was soft. She was very, that's why the true horrors when they were revealed were extra shocking because no pretty woman would ever do something bad. Joriar, it's caseing it.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Sorry. But as soon as Madame LaLaurie and the doctor moved into the city, that's where the legends truly began. Now, some of these legends are of course total horseshit, but others may have a kernel of truth to them. That's what makes a good legend. Yes, of the kernel of truth, you gotta have something that's half true. So according to Victoria Love, the author of the more sensationalist of the two books we used, it was believed that Dr. Lollary was testing Haitian-style zombie drugs to induce cooperation and docileity and enslaved people
Starting point is 00:03:45 that were proving troublesome, a sort of chemical lobotomy. We can do burning two stuff. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, absolutely. Honestly, more like we can at Bernie's for stuff. It's going to be hard to go back to the 1880s until we have the time machine version which is we can in Bernie's three. These experiments, if they did happen, were of course failures. And the poor, poisoned souls who didn't survive
Starting point is 00:04:10 were, of course, thrown in the swamp. This one is unlikely. Sure. If only because the cost of such experiments, $25,000 in modern currency per victim was prohibitively high for even a person as wealthy as Madame Lollore. We also know that Scopolamine is effective,
Starting point is 00:04:26 but it does have a range of effects. Yes. And it does not necessarily make you a living zombie, but it can. I guess if you just are in the right mood or if you haven't eaten lunch, I don't know. You use Scopolamine anytime recently.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Do you smoke it or do you just rub it in your eyes? You smoke it. You do. It's a powder that you can, it's supposed to activate a zombie-like condition. Wow, like the ice man used to use. Yeah. Yeah. You should watch the serpent in the rainbow. Okay. Yeah. It's good. Yo, you'll love it. Yeah, you'll absolutely love it. You never seen serpent in the rainbow? They're renerning right up your alley. Yeah. Yeah. The other legend that seems less likely, but I think my partly be true is the story of the so-called devil baby. Give me them tips, mummy.
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Starting point is 00:05:46 a mortal woman in a demon. The vote in turn sought out Madame La Lorie and gave the grow testimony child to her for reasons that are unclear. Yeah, let me see the dick too. Stretch it out. Yeah, stretch it out. Be very wristwatch. Incredible.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Now make it a hammock. Oh my God. We'll take it on the road. I'm not going to get any big of a wristwatch. Incredible. Now I'm making a hammock. Oh my God. We'll take it on the road. The child was then kept in darkness for five years, screaming and drooling, eating only raw meat until it finally died. Now you're saying that this was a New Orleans, Louisiana at this time period and not in Southern Florida.
Starting point is 00:06:22 1981. I hate cook burgers. Yeah, the biggest baby you've ever born in Florida. Yeah, this does sound like an origin story. There was a new baby born. People have been sent into me. It was smaller. There's a new 15.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Keep writing it was 15. It was 14 pounds of eight ounces. I was 14 pounds. 13 and a half ounces. This is baby ain't shit. Stop sending to me. Yeah, they put your sawdust in its diaper. I guess I'm f**king like it's cheating at Bob's letting.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Now this devil baby story admittedly sounds insane from beginning to end. Sure, but remember, Dr. LaLaurie was supposedly a student of medical abnormalities. And the truth might be even more horrifying than the legend. From descriptions of the devil baby, it could be that this child was suffering from the infamous Harlequin syndrome. This birth defect creates huge diamond-shaped scales over every inch of the baby's body,
Starting point is 00:07:20 and the spaces in between those scales are constant open wounds because the skin never stops splitting. Grayscale. Uh, no, this is so much worse. Worst in grayscale. Yeah, it, you like are, how do you put it pain? Yeah, you're a chircuterie plate.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Yeah. When the bread biscuits is what's the only thing you can kind of hang your, literally hang your hat on. Okay. Additionally, the heads, arms and legs of the Harlequin baby are severely malformed and the eyes are often blood red. And sometimes there's no eyelids, there's no eye holes, it's like two red dots kind of pasted
Starting point is 00:07:56 on the eraser head baby. Yeah. Why didn't they kill it? Well, you know, well, if say someone in 1830 in New Orleans was to get birth to a child with this defect and they truly believed it was a demonic being because Harlequin babies at their worst at their worst look truly in human. They might bring it to Marie Levo.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Yeah, man. It's definitely if you've never seen a picture of a Harlequin baby. No, look it up. You'll love it. It's very, you'll love it. It's very much like a, if this was 2011, you'd see a picture of a Harlequin baby in underneath that you see hashtag mood. The struggle is real. Like when you see a Harlequin baby. New Orleans feels modern day New Orleans. They probably just fried up.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Where are you going in New Orleans these days? They're going to different restaurants tonight. Hustler Club. Horrible, horrible kitchen. Great atmosphere. You talk about that one that's off the highway out near the airport. Yeah, the atmosphere is great. It's like filled with abortions. That you can just scoop out.
Starting point is 00:08:58 You get to pick it like it's a lobster. Yeah, there is one lobster in there. Oh, she must have visited SeaWorld. But if Dr. La La Rie was well known as a doctor who studied medical abnormalities, Le Vaux might have brought the Harlequin baby to him. Sure. Just to be like, you see you want to see something fucked up? Yeah, and he would have been like, yeah, we, we, however, there is no way in hell that a Harlequin baby would survive for five days
Starting point is 00:09:31 in 1830, much less five years. But even so, this story might actually be half or at least a quarter true. Well, because we know that, you know, well, we don't know, but we think that we know that he worked on, um, Delph't know, but we think that we know that he worked on Delphine Llorie's daughter. Yeah. And we know that he at the time showed up as this like hot shot new doctor that's like, you know, did he had a ghost buster sign with a hunchback behind it because his whole
Starting point is 00:09:58 pistol model was no hunchbacks. No, no, hated it. Yeah, hated them. I guess. Sit up. I'm forgetting. I'm forgetting. I'm forgetting. I'm forgetting. I'm forgetting. No, no, hated it. Yeah, hated them. Yeah, sit up. Cooper, you're back. But he, uh, he might, a people might have viewed him as it's like, okay, you, you like crooked bones. Yeah. Like we're gonna, we'll bring them all to you. Yeah. That may be, I mean, a Harlequin syndrome does have like degrees. Like, I know there is, like,
Starting point is 00:10:20 there's a Harlequin baby that's alive at like six or seven or something like that, but yeah, and the absolute worst cases, like, yeah, it is the most horrifying thing you could possibly see. Like I'm a 30 second degree harlequin baby. Right? Because I made it to the top. I have the apron. Your skin is quite red. That is true.
Starting point is 00:10:40 It's pink. Alright. Yeah, that is true. And they say I look like a pig. Yeah, you are. Yeah, see, these are Harlequin babies. They all look like this. Oh, I've seen this before. Yeah, you see this? And we always send me these. Yeah, I get so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah about how the family knew that Delphine was bad with the groups. Oh, well, that's what I mean. It's like the family news.
Starting point is 00:11:32 And there was one promissary note that was discovered by the author of Madame Lowlery, Mistress of the Haunted House, where it shows that she did pay a very prominent defense attorney a certain sum of money during this time period. So they do think that maybe she had charges brought up several times. That is kind of the, which is rumor, but there seems to be kind of solid what we know now. Yeah. As that there were a lot of people saying like, we think Delphine might be extra rough with some of her people. Mm-hmm. Well, soon enough, the rumors of how she treated the people in her household were so numerous
Starting point is 00:12:11 that the authorities entered the Laloerie mansion to investigate. Once they entered, they found that some of the enslaved people therein have been recently bloodied from a fierce beating, and all of them were almost starved to death. From accounts, Madame Laloerie took perverse pleasure in watching them waste away before her very eyes, and gave them only enough food to be able to work. But this was also a setup. Because if you're that malnourished, you're probably not going to do your tasks with great competence.
Starting point is 00:12:38 And if you're making mistakes, then that gives Madame La Lorie another excuse to punish you. Never ending punishment wheel. Yeah. I mean, this is something that we see. Like, you see this in sociopathic personalities all the time. You know, you, it's, they set other people up to fail. So that gives them an excuse to commit the horrible atrocities that they commit. Sounds like a nun. Sounds like a cow and a big level when my mom used to feed us and feed us and feed us, right?
Starting point is 00:13:05 And then when I'd have to go to the Husky store to get my pants when I got hit about a 44 inch waist, right? Bored on on 46. She'd be like, if only you could put down some of that food. You know what I mean when you're getting, when you're then get shamed. But then the whole time she's been using food as the only means to communicate love to you. Yeah, well comfort and stability in its way.
Starting point is 00:13:27 Yeah, my mommy's always something. You got a drink, she got a drink, last night come home. There'd be like a bottle of whiskey and a 30 pack. And you're just like, it's just me. Yeah. But sometimes it also being like, are you afraid of me? Yeah. Like it is about me keeping me satiated because if I'm not hungry,
Starting point is 00:13:44 or if I'm not thirsty, I'm going to, if I am one of those, I'm going to fucking freak out. No, the most intoxicated Christmas I ever spent was at your mother's house. Oh, yeah. That was a good one. That was a great one. I got you a knife. Yeah. That was wonderful. That was one of my favorite Christmas's ever. It was from the kitchen. But since no witnesses came forward to declare that the madame was seen beating these people with her own hands, and as I said in the first episode, treatment of enslaved people was often a matter of taste, she was absolved of any wrongdoing by the courts.
Starting point is 00:14:15 It is said, however, that the embarrassment of the court case only made madame la la rey that much more cruel. They also believe she did one of those like, I mean, I'll sound. Yeah, like she went in. Yeah, the oath where you could just say you're innocent. And they're like, you know what? Now that I heard you say it, sound correct. But even though no witness came forward in her court case,
Starting point is 00:14:37 it was a story from a neighbor that created one of the Lollary Mansion's most enduring ghost tales. One day, that neighbor heard a piercing scream and looked from her adjacent townhouse to see Madame Lollary chasing a young enslaved girl, whip in hand. The chase then entered the house and eventually ended up on the roof, but while the neighbor did not see exactly what transpired, she heard the body of the young girl hit the ground in the courtyard below. She later saw the lifeless body being taken away and saw the shallow grave with a young girl was buried. Today, this young girl is known as Leah, and it's said that her spirit roams
Starting point is 00:15:18 even as far away as the sidewalks outside the Lala the remanion, where people have reported filling a tug at their clothes, at the mention of her name. This story is actually, uh, it's in all of the ghost doors, right? And there's a lot of, you know, people to call doubt on it because that neighbor, there's, it's the idea that the neighbor heard something was, was physically unable to see it even if they wanted to. Yeah. I know it's going on. But what we know about Madame Laurie. Laurie, we know that for a fact that she liked it to hurt her enslaved people over the top. We know that she liked it to that. But we also the main crux of this is that we know if you look at percentages of how many
Starting point is 00:16:01 enslaved people died and we'll get more into that later. Yes. how many enslaved people died. And we'll get more into that later. Yes, under her care, quote unquote, her care, you would see that it points to a lot of young girls died in that house that did not need to. And in pairs, quite often the mother and the daughter would die. And there was, I mean, there was just a lot of them. Yeah, and we got a listener email from someone
Starting point is 00:16:24 who was actually able to go into the lottery mansion. Oh, wow. And at the party that they attended, they said that they were allowed to go up on the roof. Like they was like, okay, yeah, go up on there. You can see all the New Orleans. Like it's a beautiful view.
Starting point is 00:16:38 But everyone says the roof is where all of the bad jujube is because that's where the room where the enslaved people were found. We're on the non-existent third floor. Yeah, but yeah, they said that up there, like, they couldn't stand up. They started to feel sick. They started to feel dizzy, you know, like, no other, no issues with heights or anything like that, but no, and really no, like, health issues, but they said it was the worst feeling they've ever had in their life, without really knowing like the full story of what had happened up there,
Starting point is 00:17:10 or what had happened up there according to legend. Now, no skeletons or bodies were found on the Lollary grounds over the years, or at least there are no records of bodies being found. But according to funeral records at the St. Louis Cathedral, 20 people died while being enslaved to Madame La La Rie over the decades.
Starting point is 00:17:29 Now, I know the mortality rate for enslaved people was high, especially those who worked in the sugar plantations of Louisiana. If a person was sent there, it was called being, quote, sold down river. And it was all but a death sentence. Because there's many ways to die. Heat exhaustion, dehydration,
Starting point is 00:17:46 industrial accident, industrial accident, malaria, being bit by bugs, like it's just straight being beaten to death. Yes. Also was it getting quite common? Also, she's like three blocks from the river from the Mississippi.
Starting point is 00:17:58 She could have just been duped in the bodies in there. Well, there's a lot of witnesses. They are, there's a barely, you know, even at the time period, this is an extremely popular section of the town. Yes, and there's a lot of people coming and going. And here is the, it is still contested about whether or not she had some form of unofficial graveyard on her grounds because that was one of those things that was supposed, you know, the biggest version of the legend, they found it. on her grounds because that was one of those things that was supposed, you know, that the
Starting point is 00:18:25 biggest version of the legend, they found it, but there's some talk about these missing bodies, like where the fuck did they go? Because they do in one thing within the state of Louisiana is that they kept copious notes on the, the ledgers of people who were coming in and out of these places, and especially death registries, They don't put how they died, but they did put like they would track everybody and it went from the moneyed people to the enslaved people. And the fact that there was a huge I mean like of the the amount of people that had her place was a huge chunk of them, chunk of them that just disappeared. I mean, was I tracking the gators?
Starting point is 00:19:08 Oh, yeah, I'm just gonna be these. No, I'm not why you need me to allow me. Go now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You, you, you can get a gator. What do you think? That all you need, that all you need to get out now. You're down in the bar. You're not looking real good. Get in there. Get in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got 19 hole, right right? No, not whole. They got a two out ball. We got to push you home. They got a butthole and I get them to and to push you in a butthole,
Starting point is 00:19:31 give them the double pink. Get them up in a bowl now. But here's the incredible thing about the statistics when it comes to Madan La La Riz that we really don't know exactly how many people disappeared. Who knows, but because of the copious records, we know for a fact that in the two years that she was at 1140 Royal Street,
Starting point is 00:19:53 just in those two years, 12 enslaved people died in that house. And this is just people who are doing household duties. These are people cooking, people cleaning, footmen, guys show first, just people who are just household duties. These are the people cooking, people cleaning, you know, footmen, you know, guys show first, you know, just people who are just doing regular stuff. And they're dying at a rate that is, you know, as high as a sugar plantation. It's insane.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Every other month. Every other month. And they also are, there are unregistered deaths, just straight up disappearances. So they're just a bunch of them, about 20, they have no record of what happened to them. Can I ask a ignorant question? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Always. So do people come and like check up on you to make sure that you're not killing your slaves? Not no. No, there wasn't like a regulatory industry or anything like that. Now there was nothing like that. It was just if somebody could report you, and then the idea of a slave inspector is just not,
Starting point is 00:20:49 I don't know if you want that guy. No, around it. You don't invite him to dinner. No, no, no, no. It works for all state, that's for sure. Yeah. That's the thing, it's wonderful. Spont.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Oh, yeah, predetual. I'm from North Rape. But considering the rate at which these people were dying and jobs that were not dangerous, it's likely that these deaths were caused by the cruel actions of Madame Lolloree. And with that, let's get into what is most likely the true story of what was going on in the Lalloree mansion, and the story of how her chamber of horrors was discovered. It all started with a fire in the kitchen on a spring morning in 1834. According to witnesses at the scene, one of the elderly cooks admitted to starting the fire on purpose to either put an end to the suffering of the people trapped above or to finally expose them a dom once and for all. It sounds like something finally broke
Starting point is 00:21:51 inside the house. Because the main crew that were not locked upstairs in the room obviously kind of figured out like, oh, we're going to end up there anyway. Yeah. You know, like it does it us being quote unquote good at our jobs. It's probably not going to save us from whatever the fuck is going on in that room. Yeah. It's this woman was also a chain to the floor. Yeah. I mean, it's like chains were in every day part of everybody's existence in that house. Or at least if you were an enslaved person, then yeah, you were wearing chains
Starting point is 00:22:31 constantly, which you know in other households like that was kept as like a particularly bad pun, like shackles was considered like a punishment. Yeah, and in Madame La Laurie's house, it was, you know, an everyday thing punishment and starvation. That's what all these people were going through 100 to present them all the time. Yeah, we's a way we compare it to the Nazis quite often because it's when you have institutionalized violence, when it's allowed from up top, then it breeds little serial killers. Yeah, also when the people who work in for you are so unhealthy, they're gonna fuck up, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:57 and that's a part of what you're saying, the never-ending cycle. Yeah, yeah, always. Now, this really is, like this is the sort of institution that, you know, Betl as you said, like it brings people to the forefront, you know, the people who have these sadistic personalities
Starting point is 00:23:11 and sadistic tendencies, like they come to the forefront and, you know, the most vulnerable people always suffer. You know, it's like the Einsatzgruppen, we talk about so much, just roving bands of serial killers. He never stops talking. He loves it.
Starting point is 00:23:23 I find it one of the most, it's one of the most fascinating, you know, chapters in history as the Einsatzgruppen, like it really is just roving bands of serial killers in the tens of thousands that they sent out behind the SS, uh, and during World War II out in the Eastern Europe. Now, the fire soon got big enough where a crowd of Norelline's regulars gathered to watch the mansion burn down. But when they saw that nobody was coming out, a judge in the crowd gave an order to break down the locked doors so they could save the enslaved people inside from a fiery death.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Good Samaritans rushed into the burning building and found that the enslaved people inside, those that weren't hidden away, were still, as I said, amaciated, covered in horrific scars and loaded with chains that they presumably had to wear every day. But then the rescuers found Madame Lollaree's torture chamber, which had been built next to the servants quarters to add an extra layer of psychological torture to even those who weren't being actively tortured and killed. This is truly a scene from a horror movie in this time period because they go in, it's this beautifully appointed home.
Starting point is 00:24:27 You know what I mean? It really is. And Delphi and LaLaurie is known as a socialite whose husband's not really around a lot. They have endless close problems, but they think it's just because, you know, and many times they probably think, oh, Dr. LaLaurie is probably out there sowing his wild oats. I actually wonder whether or not he was scared of his own wife and didn't want to have anything to do with the house anymore. And that's why he left.
Starting point is 00:24:51 But you go into this like this polatial mansion at the time, beautiful appointments. And then it's nothing but horror on the inside. You've never seen the inside of this house when it wasn't prepped to be seen, you know? Well, not only that, but I mean, this is the palatial side. Like that's what everybody sees. Like the servants quarters, like nobody's going in there. No one's going in there. No one's going in there.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Like you wouldn't go like, if you went over there for dinner, you wouldn't go over. You wouldn't go over that area, right? You wouldn't do that. Of course, right? No, you absolutely wouldn't go over there. Like it's just that's in that society. Those sorts of places are off limits or at least you just wouldn't go over there. Like, it's just that's just in that society, those sorts of places are off limits, or at least you just wouldn't have any interest in it.
Starting point is 00:25:28 The rescuers opened the door and found seven people chained to the wall for women, two men, and one whose gender was unrequited. All, however, have been mutilated from head to toe. Some have been suspended by their limbs to such a degree that their extremities have been torn from their sockets, while others have been tied into contorted postures meant to maximize pain and discomfort.
Starting point is 00:25:51 One victim was said to have had a large hole in his head in his wounds, were filled with maggots. Many of them had infested wounds. Each was wearing an iron collar with spikes that kept their heads in one position, lest their necks be stabbed, a cow-hide whip stiff with dried blood hung against the wall next to a step ladder that Madame Lollary stood upon for downward momentum to make the lashes
Starting point is 00:26:16 deeper. Later, it was said by surviving witnesses that every morning after breakfast, Madame Lollary would lock herself in with the captives and vlog or otherwise torture them until she tired herself out. Then she would simply go about her day as a New Orleans socialite and business woman. Now this account comes from, it is interesting because this is the real stuff. This is the real thing. This is the real thing.
Starting point is 00:26:43 According to a judge, so this judge was the first guy on the scene. So when the fire broke out, they were like, we need to go help all the people inside. And he was the guy that was in front, prying open this door because Delphine LaLaurie had already fucking bugged out. Like it's not quite. She was, uh, not, she hadn't quite bugged out just yet. But she didn't want people to go inside the house and they were all like no, no, you were like they bypassed her. They're like no,
Starting point is 00:27:10 we're going in the house. So she like standing out front, screaming, yes, sending out front. They're not and she's like no, don't go in my house and they're like, there's fucking people inside there. We have to go inside. We have to go in the house. Yeah. So it because again, very interesting. Millions of dollars in today's money worth of goods, to antiques, jewelries, all this kind of stuff that she was just going to let go. Right. So he popped it open. And when he saw that he was the one who wrote the main account of what happened. Yeah. One of the chances she started the fire. Zero. Zero. Yeah. Do you want anybody in started the fire? Zero. Zero.
Starting point is 00:27:45 Yeah. Do you want anybody in there? Well, what most people think is that like they went inside and they found the cook, you know, and the fire was put out very easily. The fire was put out pretty quickly and they put out the fire in the kitchen and they found the cook who would start of the fire. She was chained to the floor and she had to add that as a, why did you start this fire and she said, go look upstairs.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Yeah. I go, go open up the door upstairs and you'll see why I started this fire. Like I couldn't I couldn't none of us could handle this anymore. It's pretty badass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's that mean this this one was putting her life on the line for this. Everyone was. Now the survivors were quickly removed and taken to the nearest place where they could receive medical care, which for some reason was the mayor's office. I think it was because the because of their state of being. Yeah. I think they were brought to the mayor's office as literally a, uh, look at how they're
Starting point is 00:28:33 mistreating this situation. They're mistreating their enslaved people. It immediately went into investigation. Yeah. But they also said, you know, the books are like that's where, you know, they received medical care. But can you imagine going to the mayor to have that like Gavin Newsom? Yeah, you got strep though. That'll be $75,000. He's already telling me that. Well, from my recollection, I think the old mayor's office was down the street from the Lollolary mansion. And also there were vampires in the mayor's attic.
Starting point is 00:29:07 If I remember what I forgot to correct me, if that was the mayor's office. But there was at least a church slash mayor's office down the street and there were vampires up in the attic and they said like, this is where like the Catholic church has put like cursed objects for years. And they, I remember that. Yeah, they boarded up a room up there.
Starting point is 00:29:24 That's cool. But once Madame Lollary's victims were safe, the editors of the two biggest newspapers in New Orleans got a good look at their condition. And a further 2000 New Orleans residents visited to see what Madame Lollary had done for themselves. Like a big parade of people came by. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:41 They're like, you got to see what this woman's been doing. New's big news. People freaked out. Five thousand's a big crap. Yeah, that's huge, especially for 1830 or 1833. By estimates, all of the enslaved people rescued had been kept in that chamber for months, and they were so starved that a couple of them died when some good intentioned people gave them too much food too quickly. Same thing that happened with the concentration camps. And the chamber authorities also found torture implements like
Starting point is 00:30:08 pinters in the aforementioned iron collars with sharpened points, neither of which could be explained away as more of Dr. Lollaree's orthopraxy equipment. Now the newspapers were outraged, and the people on the street were so incensed upon seeing the bodies of Madame LaLarie's victims, living and dead, that they smashed every inch of the mansion to pieces, as if the house itself was the culprit of these horrific crimes. This is, to me, that points towards there's something really that this really happens. Yeah. Because it's interesting. There was a lot of, over the years, all how many different stories have we covered that you find out that shit is fucking exaggerated, or like made up, just for the story of it?
Starting point is 00:30:53 This is one of those, it feels like they had a minimizing to talk about it. Like everybody flipped the fuck out and just attacked the house for two days. I mean, like they went to sleep and came back the next day to finish the job. It's like one of those things where like you hear about shit going down, but then when you find out what really happened, you just go nuts. Yeah, but after the sheriff decided that enough was enough after letting the people lay
Starting point is 00:31:17 ways to the mansion for the rest of that day and a little bit the day after, nothing in the house remained intact, saved for the walls themselves. People didn't even loot the expensive furniture. And instead chose to smash all of Madame La La Rese possessions into pieces, which all that was then turned into a bonfire on Royal Street. That's the shit. Because that's the stuff. It's that looting is one thing.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Because you pop it open. I understand everybody going to the grab and cool stuff out of there because you had a bunch of cool stuff to grab. We had you then you just going to burn it. Yeah, you got to be mad. That's what spooky lady. We used to do that in Tallahassee. My buddies, they were, you know, violence before I knew you. My buddies were kind of violent and they'd always break my furniture when they got to drunk and shit. So one year on 4th of July, there was a thrift store across the street and I bought a bunch of shitty furniture and I put it in the back next to a sledgehammer and an axe. I was like, have fun. And fun and then we they did and then we lit it all on fire. You actually just learned how to be a father to
Starting point is 00:32:09 Children. Yes, what you got to do actually a Lubbock. We had kind of a tradition. There was this yearly concert called Easter Bash and that what people would do is they would go to thrift stores and they would bring couches to Easter Bash and at the end of concert, you set all the couches on fire. That's awesome. This is back when Lubbock was like super fun. Man, I think we could do it again. I just made this masherum for the stream.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Yeah. Yeah, that is true. We got to do more masherum. So I'm saying, we're going to get to it. But perhaps people took their anger out on the house because Madame La La Rie herself was long gone. See, once it became clear that her horrible secret was being uncovered and the mood was turning ugly,
Starting point is 00:32:50 Madame La Laerie and her family climbed into a carriage to escape. Yeah, they bugged the living fuck out. After it took a while though. Well, it's because they were kind of feeling, and like, hmm, maybe we can think about this and get past this junk shirt. And then turns out like, no, no, no, they're gonna kill us. Well, once they fled, that was it.
Starting point is 00:33:16 They're not coming back. Because the crowd noticed the madame attempting to flee. They tried overturning the carriage. They tried grabbing her and pulling her out. I mean, they could have ripped her limb from limb right then and there. I think that's what they had in mind. I mean, how fast could this carriage possibly be going?
Starting point is 00:33:32 It's the horses. Orcs is kicking. The guys got bastion. Her man servant. The guy that was like, they heard number one, God, you. On my number one, a guy. Like she did that to him.
Starting point is 00:33:45 He was hidden guys with the whip. We've got him back with her. I think so. Yeah, I think the kids for loaded up. Oh, yeah, they were traumatized. Yeah. You know, well, I don't know if they were. Oh, no, we'll find out later on as they both died.
Starting point is 00:33:57 The kids that were closest to Delphine, the Laurie's lives were absolutely gutted. They never had a career. They never did. They just lived inside of her home. Her other children from the previousted. They never had a career. They never did anything. They just lived inside of her home. Her other children from the previous marriages, they went on and did stuff. Some of them actually had lives and got rid of the Lori name and hid far away. But the some of the ones that were directly connected to her, they, they didn't blossom. Well, the ones who actually had the last name La La Reese because they were still like, there were kids, the last name Blanc, the last name like Lopez, Iangulo.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Those are the ones from previous marriages, so yeah, they could move on. Yeah. But the kids that, I guess, came from Dr. La La Reese. No. Yeah. If there weren't any kids from Dr. La La Reese, I'm not sure because she was 45.
Starting point is 00:34:40 She had two, yeah. She had two from them. No, he pumped her full account. Wow. Wow. Yeah. She was French. She had two from him. No, he pumped her full account. Wow. She was French. Good, good, good. Yeah. So she had seven children overall.
Starting point is 00:34:49 Oh. But Madame Lollary was actually saved that day by one of the people she enslaved, her coachman. Bastion. Bastion. He was pretty much Samuel Jackson's character and Django unchanged. He was the guy who got preferential treatment
Starting point is 00:35:02 by informing on everybody else in the house. He was also probably tapping that pussy. You think so? Oh, yeah. They were, they were talking about how they, they were extremely familiar. Ah, and the husband's gone by this point. Oh, yeah. He's been there a long time. Yeah, she's kind of done some, they have like an 1830s version of divorce that they tried to do like twice that he didn't take.
Starting point is 00:35:23 So after whipping back the crowd, this coachman got Madame La Laerie out of New Orleans and brought her to Lake Ponto train, where she boarded a boat that took her across the water. Incredibly though, Madame La Laerie presumably ordered the coachman back to the mansion, because while we don't know what happened to him, the carriage returned to Royal Street and it was destroyed by the mob and then they stabbed the horses to death. Ooh, wow. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Don't be a horse. Like that's how long the anger went on and that's how fucking angry the people were. I guess soon as like that's her fucking that's her carriage. That's her fucking thing. So they stabbed the horses. So I'm because they thought maybe she was still inside the horse. Yeah. I'm just basically a car. I don't need all of this mess.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Just imagine being in a bar and someone's like, Lori's carriage is back. We're going to go kill the horse. That's so bad. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. My God. My God. When the legend is that Madame La Laurie took a ship to New York and boarded a steamer for France. There she satisfied her bloodlust with hunting, but was killed when a wild boar ripped her from stim to sternum. That however is wishful thinking, a hope that a violent person met a violent end.
Starting point is 00:36:43 If she did go to France, she spent the rest of her days in Paris and died at the age of 62 after a long, hopefully painful illness. Yeah, she lived a one address according to if you believe that she made it, she lived out there with her two daughters sitting in silence, just slowly rotting and suing anybody possible for any remaining inheritance money. Just going down to the fucking catacombs to beat one off. Yeah, I'm in like, I'm gonna get you a slap at me. Oh, you, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, there at all. Well, they have the, I believe the tomb of the blanks. I believe that she is, that's where they believe she is,
Starting point is 00:37:31 is that they popped the name off of the blank guy. The main dude was buried there with enough room for an entire family. And then he was there and they said they believe that she was also popped in there. But there are no names on it anymore. Yeah. Other accounts, however names on it anymore. Yeah. Other accounts, however, claim that Madame L'Auride
Starting point is 00:37:48 never even left Louisiana. Mm. Mm. No, no, no. They say that she returned to New Orleans eight years later after the heat died down. And she died there in the late 1850s. This claim is supported by the recent discovery
Starting point is 00:38:04 of legal paperwork that showed her handling her estate in New Orleans as late as 1850. But there's some discrepancies because they thought it might been her man. Because she had guys, it was like an investment firm that was running her bullshit over a gala where she was in gay parry. And there's also a word that her,
Starting point is 00:38:25 one of her people wrote a letter saying, I forgot what the relation was, but like basically Madame LaLaurie has told us all about her staunch need to return to New Orleans soil and reclaim her name back in her homeland. And basically he's in this letter, it's very interesting. He's like, I'm gonna have you money guys tell her
Starting point is 00:38:49 how that's never gonna happen. Yeah. Because if she goes back, they're gonna hang. Yeah. Essentially, they're gonna rip her to shreds. Yeah. I'm from North Laid. But perhaps it said that the Madame returned to Noraleans because many believe that her spirit
Starting point is 00:39:06 still haunts her former mansion. She sensed the Lallori family sold the mansion in 1837. It's had countless tenants and has gone through multiple incarnations. After it was sold to a man named Charles Caffin, he renovated and expanded the mansion, giving it a third story and the severe fortress-like appearance it has today. It honestly makes it look even scarier than it did when Madame La Lauri owned it. It's almost as if the house itself grew into its reputation.
Starting point is 00:39:36 It's awesome. Yeah. I mean, he did right. He really did. No, he, I mean, it feels like he made a spooky on purpose. Oh, yeah. I did look at a diagram on the inside. It's beautiful. Yeah. It would be so nice if it wasn purpose. Oh, yeah, I did. We look at a diagram on the inside. It's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Yeah, it would be so nice if it wasn't all full of all that rage death. You know, you go through, it's got the courtyard of the middle. It's nice. It's got a little foul in there. I put a house as a courtyard in the middle of it. Me too. It's really pretty.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Yeah, it is. It's very European, but it wasn't until 1889, but the publication of a book called the Haunted House in Royal Street that the La Laerie mansion began to build its current reputation. That book included many of the stories we still hear today, like the ghost of the little girl named Leah, who jumped off the roof to escape Madame La Laerie, who can sometimes be seen teetering on the edge, deciding what to do next. There were also reports of nox, whispers, groans, the clinking
Starting point is 00:40:25 of chains, and the shuffling of feet. But perhaps hoping to trade on this notoriety, the LaRoye mansion briefly became of all things, a furniture store in 1892. Went retail. Yeah. Yeah. People need their furniture. Now, they would see the ghost of a little girl up top of the house. Yes.. That is still seen to this day. So do you think that you could call that a girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, quite possibly. Yes. Thank you. Someone just made a new burlex group. Roller Derby. Yeah. Roller Derby on the girl. No, we don't know if this is true because it's in the more sensational La La Ree book, but it was said that the chairs and sofas in this furniture store would regularly be found torn up and splattered with filth.
Starting point is 00:41:16 I've heard this a couple times. There's another book. They talk about this story. This is one of the big La La Rie mansion hauntings. Mm-hmm. Supposedly each time a new piece of inventory entered the house, it would be covered with urine, feces, and blood by the next morning. And this continued even after they posted a guard with a shotgun. Other sources, however, say that the splattering of human waste only
Starting point is 00:41:36 happened a couple times and could very well have come from all two human sources. I do want to ask our listeners, side stories, LPL, at, that run retail on the first floor on Royal Street. I've won, but they have great art galleries over there. There's really cool spots over there. How many time have you had to deal with rivers of shit? Yeah. Slopping all over your stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:00 It could just be people looking to get a deal. You know, I'm like, I've got this covered in shit. I'm like, I'm like, this picture so to shit, his hands are covered in piss. I'm not paying full price for this. You shouldn't let me sit down. That's on you.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Now over the years, it's been said that whoever came into possession of the house was soon haunted, not just by ghosts, but personal misfortune. Oh, yeah. In 1893, the house was soon haunted, not just by ghosts, but personal misfortune. Oh yeah. In 1893, the house was sold to an Italian immigrant named Fortunato Greco. Should have named me on the Fortunato.
Starting point is 00:42:33 And this is my wife of misfortune. Oh, that's good. That's two of those in one word jokes. Yeah. This nearby grocery store was never able to turn a profit. They said, that's the curse of the Lollary Mansion. But in a story that runs contrary to that curse, Greco flipped his luck when he noticed that the house was becoming a tourist attraction due to the popularity of the book about the
Starting point is 00:43:00 Lollary Mansion. So Greco started charging people a dime so they could take their own personal ghost hunts. Oh yeah, and then he just opened it up to everybody. So it was like a boarding house, and then it was like, that was what they say is the true misfortune here was the fact that they just came in, and a bunch of us chitheads, tourists arrived,
Starting point is 00:43:23 and destroyed the whole fucking house. Yeah, ripped up the floors. It's just really destroyed. And it's like what, in the 1920s? No, this is a 1890s. Oh, okay. Yeah, he set up concessions. He started selling merch, you know, like all the,
Starting point is 00:43:36 because back in the day, like you could get really ghoulish souvenirs from places like this. Like sometimes, like if you, like I remember when they dug up the bell gunnest house, like you could go and I think you could buy like pieces of bone from her victims. Like just weird shit, like a bit, there was also pictures of bodies
Starting point is 00:43:56 with very common shell like this. Yeah, you could, you could probably walk away with something really awful. All right. Cool. Yeah. Man, stupid regulations. Sounds like this guy was successful. He was. I mean, by 18, by leaning in.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Yeah. He leaned in. He opened a saloon on the ground floor. Okay. He called it the haunted exchange. Stayed open for good 15 years, which I think in New Orleans bar life, that's a good run. It was a good run, but I think it's because you leaned into the thing and you let the ghost be employed.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Give them an opportunity. Now, they're a part of the industry. They're, what's it, they buy and employ things. What do you say with that idea where you have the employees? Shareholders. Yeah, they're shareholders.
Starting point is 00:44:40 But once the neighborhood became home to more Italian and Sicilian immigrants, many of the older buildings were turned into tenement housing, and the La Lary Mansion was no exception. It was during this period that a tenant in the La Lary Mansion was reportedly murdered in his room in a most brutal fashion. It was suspected to be a robbery gone bad because his room had been ransacked, but nothing of value was taken. Very much like Pultergeist activity. Interestingly, though, one of his friends claimed
Starting point is 00:45:06 that the victim had complained of being bothered by, quote unquote, sprites before straight up saying that there was a demon in the house that would not rest until the victim met a bloody end. And soon after, that's exactly what happened. Apparently, this is kind of where the, a lot of the ghost stories got legitimized
Starting point is 00:45:23 was during the tenement house days of the Llorii mansion where a lot of people said they saw stuff. Now we're, you know, just straight up constant ghost activity. Yeah. I imagine that's probably true, but it's still New Orleans. People get murdered. It's still also, yeah, yeah. It was really ghost to kill people in New Orleans. And like just, just the, being a 10-A a tenement house in and of itself makes the house sort of kind
Starting point is 00:45:49 of crazy. Yeah. The atmosphere is kind of crazy. You never know what's going on out. People bring change from Italy. Yeah. Now the Lullary mansion remained an apartment building for most of the 20th century, but in 1969, a doctor named Harry Russell Albright bought the building outright and lived there for 30 years, where he said he never saw or heard anything that could be considered paranormal. me while he's got like a dozen roses jammed up his ass. He's showing himself to sleep every night. Nothing weird here. Yeah. Yeah. I drink piss. Normal house. This buckle doesn't make me bleed as much as this. Completely normal house. But in 2006, the lottery mansion was purchased by none other than one of our finest actors, Sir Nicholas Cage.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Please, Mr. Cage, take the, please say anybody out there in podcast land. We've been trying to reach you. We know that you have a form that you have to fill out to reach you. What do we have to do to get that form on the top of the pile? I want to meet you. Yes. By the way, I like that you called him certain necklace cage, I feel like he's an American night. That's it. I feel like he's American royalty.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Oh, he is very much so we it's very important. Us. I was opening pick up on that. Yeah. Reportedly, cage wanted to use the law, the rematch and to write quote, the next great American horror novel, although he admits he never got that far with the book. Actors can't read. That's not their fault. Their jobs are to a moat. They can read. They just can't write. They can't write. They have to read the scripts. There's not like some sort of like script man who just tells line. That's what Ken does. If Ken calls me, he goes over the lines, have an earpiece,
Starting point is 00:47:43 whatever I do it. Recently, I put it in an index card on the people on the other side. That's great. That's all that thing is done. Yeah, you just put the blinders on them, like bunch of horses. Yeah. Someone bring them a salad. Is this sweet green tea? I can't go without 20 C.C.
Starting point is 00:48:01 or chia seeds. Well, according to Nicholas Cage, he didn't experience anything either, but he also refused to sleep in the house. He did, however, make a fun joke when he bought it. He said, other celebrities, they got beachfront property. I got ghostfront property. That's me. I got I got ghostfront property.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Thank God this book was never written. He's not a writer. Have you, can you not do it like the cage, though? ghost front property. God, this book was never written. He's not a writer. He's not a writer. Have you, can you not do it like the cage, though? I mean, like, I got you know, some people. You know, we don't have to do it. Like, it's ghost front property.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Wow. Wow. Yes. Yes. Yes. But in the end, Cajad met a that he bought the mansion pretty much because he'd been obsessed with the haunted mansion. He didn't know he lancency was a kid.
Starting point is 00:48:47 We know why you bought the man. Where did he sleep? Anywhere else? He had many homes. He had many homes. He had many homes. He had many other places. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:55 No, he had, he owned, he bought the lottery mansion in a haunted church. Oh, he slept in the haunted church. He was covering his, like, and he was covering all his angles. I sleep next to the bells My poem is with this list is it's too well in ceiling No, it's said that Nicholas Cage came to great misfortune during the three years he owned this house And that his career hit the skids for a bit But after checking out his IMDB page the years 2006 to 2009, or pretty standard fare for Nick Cage.
Starting point is 00:49:25 But it was the beginning of the dip of his box office numbers. That's the key here, man. Not quite. Yeah, I don't know. Not quite. There are some, while 2006 admittedly, that was Wicker Man. Oh, not the B. Not a B.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Yeah. He did get to punch several women. He did. He did. But six or seven women. All of the cult members, as you walked down the line, you know, yeah, I punched a lot of people. Yeah, that was, and that was fun. And it could be argued that Wickerman over time is a net positive for Nicholas Cage, because we all talk about it all the time.
Starting point is 00:49:57 It's not a great film. It's a horrible film. It's not even that fun to watch for kitschy purposes. No, worse thing to happen to Wickersons fat grandpa's But he also had a massively successful national treasure sequel in 2007 and find for the numbers and ghostwriter though Which was a flop it was a flop. Go Strider was a flop But in 2009 he got to work with Werner Herzog Sure, Adleto. It portacol. New Orleans movie. Top three Nick Cage movie, probably one of the lowest performing movies that he had ever
Starting point is 00:50:30 done. I read it. Did quite well. It did better than expected. Did you ever use my lucky crack pipe? Yeah, my lucky crack pipe. That's what I'm saying again. Soul still dance.
Starting point is 00:50:42 I love bad bad lieutenant. What really wiped out Nicholas Cage during this time was that he had a crooked manager who stole all his money. Plus he got fucked pretty hard by the stock market crash in 2008. Yeah, it can't be leveraged. Neither of those things can be blamed on my domed all over you know. And he had a sell those comic books. Yeah, that was very present.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Now it's a sell. He got he got that illegal dinosaur skull and he had to cellos comic books. Yeah, that was the story. Now it's sad. He got that illegal dinosaur skull. And he had to sell that back because it turned out as illegal. Man, how is the dinosaur skull illegal? It's because it belongs in a museum. Oh, gives a shit. I museum. Yeah, the museum cares.
Starting point is 00:51:19 I think it was stolen from a museum. Oh, it's stolen from a museum. Basically, there's a lot hobby lobby goes through this. I wanted to do a whole episode about this. Maybe we will, but it's a lot talking about the illegal antiquities market is very interesting because there's a whole world on selling shit that it's not supposed to be sold to anybody because those are all supposed to go to scientific research for the most part because that's who's paying to go dig it up.
Starting point is 00:51:44 So they're supposed to go in very, but then these guys come in, they basically steal it or they do their own illegal archeological digs, which is fucking a great concept, the idea of being in one of those is really fucking cool. I was at illegal. I guess if you're on like a national park or something, it's like a land. Well, you have to sneak into a place that's largely their government owned or you have to or it's kind of some kind of a national part like some kind of endowed place that you're not supposed to be.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Therefore, I don't know all the rules side stories, LPL, Please, if you are a student of our, our biology, explain to me why it's bad to pirate bones. You can't download a skeleton. Paleontology. Yeah, I'll have fun. Please, any one of you nerds. However, it is rumored that during the years that Cage owned the home, he was suffering from terrible nightmares that he attributed to the curse of the lottery mansion.
Starting point is 00:52:35 He went to a medium who told him that the only way to break the curse and stop the nightmares was to buy a grave as close to Marie Le Vos as possible. Yes. That's true. His grave is beautiful. Now, this is prime graveyard real estate in New Orleans. This is Saint Louis Cemetery number one. This is arguably some of the most sought after graveyard real estate, this side of pearly shades in Paris. It's a nice. It is a nice.
Starting point is 00:52:57 You go down there. That's how you know you are New Orleans celebrity status. Or at least we are royalty. People wanted like that's just, that's one of the places if you're, if you get St. Louis Cemetery number one, you're a place in New Orleans history is assured. Like Drew Breese is gonna be there.
Starting point is 00:53:13 I don't know if he will. I don't know if he wants to be there. I don't know if he'll make it. It's not super ball back. Yeah, no, no, Drew Breese, if Drew Breese wanted to be buried in St. Louis Cemetery number one, I think they'd let him. At least Kermit Ruffins. Yeah. And I get buried. I'm gonna look this up.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Terry one. Can I get buried in St. Louis Cemetery number two on Oh, book no no, it's for tours. Okay. No, you can't just book it. Um, I don't think there's going to be protocol on the internet for it. Like there's not going to be a power. How are me buried? How me buried St. Louis like there's not going to be a power. How are me buried? How me buried St. Louis? Sameted nothing. And we call if there was like trombone shorty got one, it was just like half a trombone sticking up the top.
Starting point is 00:53:50 Yeah. If you find it, it just doesn't let him imagine yours. But in the end, cage was somehow able to convince the diocesan charge of St. Louis number one to make room for the nine foot tall pyramid memorial that will one day be Nicholas Cage's final resting place. Oh, yes. They built it ahead of time. It's sitting there like this big ass.
Starting point is 00:54:12 It's huge. There's a, I think the Latin saying is is like out of everything one or out of one everything. It is very, it is absolutely gorgeous. It's a giant pyramid. Mm hmm. Have you seen it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:24 It's awesome. It's a giant pyramid. Have you seen it? Yeah, it's awesome. It's cool. Eventually the bank foreclosed on Cajus House and the other haunted property owned in New Orleans, the Our Lady of Perpetual Help Chapel, but he still held onto the pyramid only because the IRS can't legally take cemetery plots. Dude, and this is why we discovered this right before the show. We're going to do our 2006 style movie, living in a cemetery where if we all open up a more, wait, the three of us, we open a morgue and stuff, we ain't never got a fucking pay nobody ever again. We just live in a cemetery, Doc.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Just come over to your muzzlely, I'm drawing not kind of you roll out. What? That's my house. I got a flat screen in there. we're running cable from across the street You got it made in the shade brother, you know we fucking put ice out Fucking pop a Seagora song and the cemetery on the soundtrack like no if we're going straight 2006 We got a pop like a shinsong in there Seagora just the bright side yeah
Starting point is 00:55:33 Definitely we have to invite Zach Braff. Yeah, you have to know it's it come once a year This is gonna be a vibe like think like about Schmidt meets like little Miss Sunshine Oh, you get the vibe like put it together, you know, sprinkle some Seth Rogan in there. Yeah, we got some inappropriate We got a guy fart. That's gonna be big. We comedy, some gay jokes that don't age very well. We get to live in the seventh area. You know, I mean, this is our lives, bro. This is past the pitch. This is what we're gonna do.
Starting point is 00:55:58 No property taxes. King, fucker. Okay, we can do gathering me. I'm so sick. You know, I'm so sick. Now, after the bank foreclosed on the Lala rematch and it was bought by a Texas business man named Michael Wayland, who still apparently owns the house to this day, but has a very small footprint on the internet.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Couldn't find out much about him. Yes. And this is also the story. I love it. We got one of the listen emails that was talking about a lady was on the French quarter phantom's tour and she was walking on the, you know, you go through the, you get to the end and all of a sudden you hear all the story about little ory mansion and it's when freaks the fuck out.
Starting point is 00:56:36 She starts calling what she says. Like did you pay them? Have you been paid to say this? Have you been paid to say this about this house? And then like, I don't know what you're talking about. And they see watch your walk away, make a call. And basically you find out that she is personal friends with Michael Whalen. And they and her family were told to stay at the Lulori mansion for the weekends and had never heard the
Starting point is 00:56:57 story about what fucking happened in there. And so she's like, we are getting a fucking hotel. We're getting a hotel. I'm like freaked out. Ooh, it's haunted. I don't know how risk A. Yeah, and then you find out like, because that's a thing. Haunting stories are haunting stories. Sure.
Starting point is 00:57:14 But then this is the fucking worse level of the haunting story. It's like you show up and I'm like, oh yeah, you're staying at John Wayne Gacy's house tonight. Yeah, like have fun. Welcome to Des Plains. I mean, same time. I'm doing what? I know, you're staying at John Wayne Gacy's house tonight. Yeah. Yeah. I have fun. Welcome to desk planes. I mean, same time. I know you.
Starting point is 00:57:27 I know you would do it, but if you're just a regular fucking person, now would you stay in the floorboards? Uh oh, too big. Yeah. When let's do actually attended a party at the Lollary mansion, they said that the current decor was quote, sentient cocaine. That's awesome. Yeah. It's just very tacky, extraordinarily tacky. On the same block, I was looking up. There's a place called the haunted hotel where you can go and people say that they've been seeing ghosts there. I don't know if I believe
Starting point is 00:57:55 them. There's a Google reviews. It's a guy in a sheet. Yeah. This one lady said she went with her mom and she didn't tell her mom was haunted and she was mad. And they she said they wouldn't call it haunted because the ghost was very nice. Oh, that is very shared. Yeah. Pre-lived. Yeah, it's like when you do an Arabian B and there's like a guy living in the back house and you just got to live with him for a while. Yeah. Okay, she's always out there posing things down. Like why are you out there? I'm trying to sleep. You come out here. How old you down to?
Starting point is 00:58:27 I know you will. I know you will. But as the years have gone by, so too have the stories of Madame LaRise cruelty grown beyond the realm of the grotesque. And now they sometimes include her husband as a sort of Dr. Mingola type accomplice. I am innocent. I am innocent. I like a little regular bank.
Starting point is 00:58:49 What did you call a manory, Mississippi Mangola? Yeah, Mississippi Mangola. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and the stories are outlandish. I mean, they claim that Dr. Lollary broke a woman's bones and refashioned her into a crab woman. Another says as a claim that like turned a woman into an armless, legless worm. Like, it's difficult.
Starting point is 00:59:07 You ever seen Todd Browning's freaks? No, but I have seen Freaked and I really like that movie. Freaked is a great movie. Yeah, Freaked is awesome. And up, Todd Browning's Freaked, there's a guy in the movie that's just a torso. And he can like, you know, roll his own cigarettes with his, you know, with his own lips. That's pretty cool. Yeah, and like, I mean, it's upsetting for him, but it's very cool.
Starting point is 00:59:26 I mean, he flipped it reverse it. He, you know, he was living a pretty good life. Yeah, he figured it out for himself. Yeah. As you got to do. He's in that fucking final awesome scene where they're all like, they're all about to fucking take down the acrobat and they're all like crawling through the mud and the rain. And like, he's got a, he's got a fucking dagger in his teeth.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Yeah. It's such a great fucking movie. Such a good movie. Remember the worm guy from Freak? Oh, it's anything bad. You stick with your weight by ass. We like ass. Oh my other favorite line is from Randy Quaid, the fiddle fat. Love that fucking movie.
Starting point is 01:00:00 Now the floor of the chamber in this story was permanently slick from puddles of fresh core. Fuck it's a body part. You're strewn about the room, shelter, sculptor. And the floor of the chamber in this story was permanently slick from puddles of fresh core, buckets of body parts, you're strewn about the room, shelter, scalters. They made it sound worse part. It's not organized. No, like you get a fucking get him a container store employee. Is that what helps a scalter means? All over the place.
Starting point is 01:00:17 Yeah. Okay. Really nilly. It's a scarier version of Willie nilly. Oh my god. Imagine if they wrote Willie nilly on one of the rails. It would take into temperature down. Actually, maybe the hippie move been still a lot. Oh man, it
Starting point is 01:00:33 would take us so long to figure out. Like I want to see like the detectives. It's like Willie Nilly. What's another name? Sorry to cut you. I'll always get I'll always con concede the Florida said Caesar joke. The Willie nilly goo goo Gaga baby pants murders. Yeah. I'll tell us. But really, there's no need to make Madame Laulowry worse than she already was. Even without the more extreme claims, Madame La Lallore is still one of the great villains
Starting point is 01:01:07 of American history. The star of a particularly evil chapter in a book that is itself already evil enough. Well, thank you for that. Spooky! Spooky! Sorry, that's my very rare occurrence of my Madam Loha Revolts.
Starting point is 01:01:22 I will take it now. She was a very bad man. Yeah, she's bad. Bad, bad, awful. Yeah, she's awful. She's fucking dead. We're all happy she's dead and not a normal being. No, I mean, God knows.
Starting point is 01:01:36 She could still be there. Do you think so? I don't know. Yeah, man. We had no things that happened. It is good that she's a ghost if she is a ghost, you know, tortured. Yeah, she should be stuck there. Yeah, it'd be good. Yeah, it's a beautiful piece of property though. Yeah, it's a shame.
Starting point is 01:01:49 It's worth like three point. I think Nicholas Cage bought it for 3.7 million. Damn. Yeah, it's a hard at the fucking Royal Street's probably one of my favorite streets Yeah, and all that in that area. It's a good African restaurant next door. I was looking for food. Yeah, and because want to go. I got to go now. We are. We're going to go. We can't wait. We're doing it up.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Yeah, we're going to be. Yeah, I'm very excited about our return in New Orleans. No, now guys, first fall, just want to say next week's episode is going to be absolutely disgusting. Yeah. And I'm really excited for it because it's been a second before we've gone. How do we? How do we say we're going?
Starting point is 01:02:23 We're getting sludgy. Sludgy, I think is a second before we've gone. How do we, how do we, we're going, we're getting sludgy. Sludgy, I think is a real good word for it. It's gonna be, there's gonna be a lot of goop. A lot of goop. A lot of goop, a lot of, there's gonna be, well, I think we might return to some slapping. Oh, no, there's a slapping in there. There's definitely some slapping.
Starting point is 01:02:39 There's gonna be some hydraulic pumps involved. You're gonna like it. You're gonna like the way you throw up. Mung, Mung. There's mm. We'll see about that. And then, you know, we got a little Thanksgiving. So we got a couple special things coming up. And then we're going to get into hopefully a super sad story for Christmas, right, Marcus? Oh, yeah, it's going to be Christmas time and everyone's going to be real sad about what we're going to be talking about. I love sad stories during Christmas
Starting point is 01:03:04 times. I think it's that we get into arguments, but me and Marcus will get into arguments because I take it out on the audience. My feelings about Christmas. And I think that it's a bad idea to take anything out on the audience. I couldn't agree more about this. I just gotta get in there. I feel sad.
Starting point is 01:03:22 You're feeling fucking sad, too. Well, we're gonna do, we might do some dark history. Yeah. I think we will. I think for Christmas, we're gonna be doing some real dark history, some cool shit. Just talk about all the families that, you know, burned down their Christmas trees and kill everyone. Every Christmas, the family dies.
Starting point is 01:03:38 That's my favorite. Yeah. Last year, we did talk about a killer Santa that brought a flame thrower to a family Christmas party and killed. I think how many four or five. You was intense, man. He was not ready for the holidays. But he bought all his guns down at gun world on Burbank, on Magnolia. They sell a lot of it's in Burbank. Yeah, yeah, they sell a lot of guns there. Oh, yeah. You know, Burbank's one of the highest, they sell some of the most guns in the nation.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Oh, yeah, dude. How do you think? I mean, Alan thick has to defend himself. All right. The, the, the, the, the backbone of Hollywood, man, during the pandemic, there were lines around the block and gun world. Oh, I remember. It was fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:04:19 It added to the vibe. Yeah. But thank you guys so much. Go get operates the sunshine at your local comic book store. It's coming out the next one will probably be November 15th. That is issue two of our first four that will then lead to a second four. But right now you're going to get into that story. I'm very excited for you to see where it goes. We also have the last comic book on the left for I believe is also cooking. It's cooking and yeah, and I can announce now that yeah,
Starting point is 01:04:46 for issue four or volume four, I'm gonna be doing a story, I wrote a story that fucking comics legend Matt Wagner drew as long as son Brinn Wagner did the coloring for it and it looks absolutely fucking incredible. Thank you very much to both of you. Very cool way. Both of you fellas for working with me on that one that was a fucking it's it's incredible it's fine wait for you guys to see it so cool and then you got dates right
Starting point is 01:05:11 oh yeah if you can catch me down in Florida um... December 8th and 9th I'm gonna be opening for Jeff Ross in uh... west Palm Beach at the Kravis Center I can't wait and I'm trying to find a show on the 10th as well and then I'm one of the dolphins came on the 11th oh yeah oh um can't wait. And I'm trying to find a show on the 10th as well. And then I'm one of the dolphins came on the 11th. Oh, yeah. Oh, I also wanted to say I've been loving the videos. They're of this of our show. Yeah, it's been great. It's on YouTube. You got clips on YouTube. So follow the YouTube page Good fucking. What are they go to the Patreon and watch the fucking full thing? Yeah, fucking talking about we got twitch streams We doing that. We we're working a lot. Yeah, we're working a lot. Yeah, we got no dogs in space. There's a live stream
Starting point is 01:05:49 every other Monday on slash last podcast network. Yeah, and I got my first, um, and I got my first mandate coming up for the stream. I'm very excited. Yeah. Yeah. It's very, very excited. Guys, he'll sweet Satan. Oh, no, game. He'll say it again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like it Don't look you're trying to help a lot. You know why because this is coming out as a day after Halloween So you've already expressed yourselves a man was coming on the third Three days after what this day after as the day after all souls wait, which is very appropriate Yeah, our show hasn't come out on a Wednesday in like nine years. Oh
Starting point is 01:06:24 Oh God has it come out on a Wednesday in like nine years. Oh man. Oh god. Well, yesterday was all Souls Day. These are ghost stories. It works out. Enjoy yourself with it. I'm gonna fuck it out of the way and check. We could do so as everybody. Goodbye.
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