Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 556: The Hatfield and McCoy Feud Part II - Murderland

Episode Date: December 9, 2023

The boys return to historical Appalachia (a·puh·la·chuh) for the conclusion of the Hatfield - McCoy Feud, picking back up with the series of events that would lead to The New Year's Night Massacre ...of 1888, as well as the sub-sequential trials (and hangings) that would follow.

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Starting point is 00:01:04 Ha, ha, ha! There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannonball is started. What was that? A lot of massacres. It's a big massacre. Well, actually, there was a massacre last time. There's a massacre this time. But the funny thing is, is that less people died in the second one, and yet that's the one
Starting point is 00:01:32 that's known as the massacre. I think maybe, yeah, branding. It's about when it arrives, Rick Rubin. Yeah, talk to all about the idea of that, you know, it's not about what you make in the project is about when you deliver it. You know, so maybe it's got a lot to do with it. Maybe Rick Rubin was there. I mean, I know that he looks like it. Can you imagine Apple Action Rick Rubin? There'd be a lot more
Starting point is 00:01:52 banjo, that's for sure. Yeah. I'm not gonna play in the feet. What do you mean? Play the feet? You're like, yeah, can't you see your feet are drums you don't have to pay for Jayze and then he's just like no way. We could have had feet wrapped. We could have a whole world of board stomping samples. And I wish Rick ribbon was apple action. I'm gonna last podcast on the left everybody. My name is Marcus Park some here with Henry's at Nebraska. And Edlarson. Mudd. It's his favorite word.
Starting point is 00:02:27 I'm apparently you, it was his first word. Mudd. Yeah, look at the butt, was my second. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're here for part two of the Hatfields and McCoys. And we're gonna get a little bit more death.
Starting point is 00:02:43 A little, actually, when you compare the death and this one to the death and the last one, about equal. Got it. So when we last left the Hatfields and the McCoys, a Hatfield vigilante group had just executed three McCoys by firing squad after a Hatfield had been murdered in a drunken fight that it allegedly started over a standing fiddle bet. Hey, why was the show so long? You just did it low right? Yeah,
Starting point is 00:03:05 grass. That shows the power story. Good. Brevity. Brevity. So, well, let's get it straight now. Remember, so the half feels they got money and strength and numbers and land and land
Starting point is 00:03:19 and they got all the timber. McCoy's glandular issues to make him super angry. Yeah, they have anger spheres deep inside of that. Remember that? So, yeah. So right now what? So technically, it's half fields three McCoy zero or two. No, it's not. It's half fields four McCoy's one. Got it. Yeah, because you got you can't forget about Harmon McCoy way back in the day. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. Like during the war. Yeah, right out. Yeah, during the war. Yeah, or right at the Like during the war. Yeah, right out. Yeah, during the war.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Yeah, right at the end of the war. Yeah, which is that technically the first shot fired. Yeah. But yeah, it is four to one at this moment. And how many men are named bad? Two. Okay. In this, in this episode, there will be two men with the modifier bad attached to their
Starting point is 00:04:02 name, but they are very bad. They are very bad. They are very bad. One of them, however, did give himself the modifier bad attached to their name, but they are very bad. They are very, they are very bad. One of them, however, did give himself the nickname bad because he was like, I want to be worse. That'd be fun. Well, after the pop-up murders, the matriarch of the McCoy clan, Randall McCoy, had taken his wife's advice to let the law take care of the Hatfield vigilantes.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Randall had come to call these vigilantes, Devils Hellhounds. Cool. After the Hatfield Patriarch, Devilance Hatfield. Why did he make them sound cooler? Yeah, and then you cut to the Devils Hellhounds and you know, it's just three guys sitting on the porch, but I'm like, Devils, that is going to rain today. Yeah. I found something new on my nuts.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah. He's another one of them ornery spheres. Well, I mean, technically the guys in deliverance were not too much until Ned Bady and Bert Reynolds showed up. Sadly, and inside an incident. Was it Bert Reynolds or was it John Void? What do you mean? In deliverance.
Starting point is 00:05:02 They're both in it. They're both there. Yeah. And then that Bady had that, you know, we'll talk about that later. Delicious slide and backside. Bertrand Old's broke his leg and John Void was the unlikely hero. Gotcha. Okay. And so in September of 1882, a grand jury issued indictments against 20 Hatfield supporters and devilance had field himself. Even though devilance claimed to have once again been sick and bad when the triple execution had taken place. I have the goddamn sniffle. I'm sorry, I can't go to the few today.
Starting point is 00:05:33 I'm going to bring me some camomail. I'm thinking about y'all because I got my crew. I don't know. You didn't get it. Because it's through you. You wouldn't know. No, I don't want to get it. Because it's through a few. You wouldn't blame. It seemed, however, as if there wasn't much urgency behind those warrants, either because the sheriff of Pike County had figured that the eye for an eye principal had been applied
Starting point is 00:05:55 correctly or more likely because the Hatfields were a heavily armed and highly capable crew. Does it want to deal with them? No, they're scared. Yeah, I mean, these are extremely dangerous people. Yeah. And more AdFills than cops probably. Yes. And you got to go look for them.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Like it's not like they're all in one big office building. It's not like you're attacking Tesla. Like it's like it is a place you have to go deep in the woods and scurry them out. It's like Vietnam, you're going out into the bush on their territory. Yeah. But for whatever reason, no AdFills were arrested for what came to be known as the pop op murders for the next five years. But while some historians claim that those five years were peaceful, they really only say that because those years were free from multiple murders and massacres.
Starting point is 00:06:36 It's kind of like what we're going on, like in America right now. Yeah. I mean, we're not directly in a war, but it sort of feels like it. Yeah, it feels like it all the time. It's uneasy. Now, how many people is a massacre? Is three a massacre? Let me ask Google. If I were to guess, I would say a mask. Well, I think that was the Boston massacre. Massacre is also, I think, depend on intent. I think it depends on a reporter.
Starting point is 00:06:59 A mask killing. It's a mask killing. It says here. Um, ah, there's no legal jurisdiction. Because these days we use the word mass killing, the phrase mass killing more than we use the term massacres. Yes, because massacres is just like, again, it's by brand name. Well, it's also massacres something that you attach more to like a horror movie, like
Starting point is 00:07:19 slumber party massacres. Yeah. You know, it doesn't have quite the same weight as it once did. What Joan Rivers used to say about an outfit? Oh my god, it's a mask. It's a mask. So after the execution of the McCoy brothers, men armed themselves with knives and pistols wherever they went, even if they weren't a half field or McCoy. And as we all know, the more weapons people have, the more likely they are to use them on each other. Dude, I got this kitty clumper at the house.
Starting point is 00:07:46 It's like an Ebony stick with a ball in the end of it. And it's like a point at the end of the ball. It's like, I got it in Africa. And they use it to like hit lions in the head as they're charging you and shit and fucking kill him. I'll fucking wait and get all he's been talking about. I'll wait. I fear for the Amazon drivers on his street.
Starting point is 00:08:03 I fear. I just got my Christmas axe out of storage. God, God help. I even do for each guy accidentally delivers him the wrong meal. Oh, dude, I've got house axes that are like hidden in strategic places around the house. I'm not telling anyone where my fucking axes are. Just know there's a lot of axes sitting around ready to be you. I will let my weapons remain anonymous.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Yes, you don't know what's coming. My, my, a Julie tried to get rid of a, one of my axes. And I was just like, and there was one of them's red. And I was like, well, that's the Christmas act. That's, that's the same now. And so now I can only bring it out during the holidays. Yeah. Oh,
Starting point is 00:08:39 Oh, don't, oh, you're looking like a tree. Well, the meg matter's more stressful. The local deer population, which was used by a lot of the mountain folk for regular sustenance, that was stricken by a mysterious disease. Yeah, those deer thought that they could fuck without condoms for too long. Yeah, deer cypals ran right through.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Reportedly, deer staggered around with swollen black tongues until they fell dead. And the corpses littered the forest in such numbers that it was compared to a biblical plague. Goads coming for our venice! But what kept things simmering more than anything was Randall McCoy's unabated race. That's what it sounds like to me. It's tumors grunt. Imagine him just screaming, taking a shit. Ow!
Starting point is 00:09:25 Ow! Ow! Ow! He's got damn shit! Get out my ass! Someone call the doctor, I'm making red rocks. Well, besides the fact that he was down three sons after the pop-off murders, random McCoy's timber operations were failing
Starting point is 00:09:45 while devil ants had field was becoming one of the most successful men in the tug fork valley. This rage was fueled by the aforementioned Von Hippellindow syndrome, which we discussed last week. And after I learned a bit more about it, I can see even more how it only exacerbated the feud. Yeah, it's hard when you get a bunch of anger berries growing inside your organs, man. And it's not just that. I mean, basically, this is what I think I may have figured out here is basically the Hat Fields could actually see the McCoy's anger physically manifest. And as we know, you'll see somebody saying, well, this is anger could be very funny.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Yeah. I'm not going to crack it. I'm going to crack it. I'm going to crack it. I'm going to crack it. I'm going to crack it. I'm going to crack it. I'm going to crack it. I'm going to crack it. I Imagine some of the happy olds might have poked the McCoy bear a few times on purpose just to get a patented McCoy reaction I say I'm watching this I'm gonna throw an apple at that moron over there. Hey there, gotcha, McCoy and said, yeah, she made your way to the apples. You're way to the apples. Hey.
Starting point is 00:10:50 That's so much fun. So as a consequence of the disorder, McCoy's would reportedly get beat red in their face as their overloaded adrenal glands became engorged at the most insignificant slide. What if we told you that these were light-folders crystals? Yeah! Yeah!
Starting point is 00:11:09 Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Their hands would start shaking, they'd get splitting headaches, their hearts would beat out of their chest, and some cases their faces would like wildly twitch. And some extreme cases of VHL, a person can get so angry that they actually pass out from what one author so poetically called an overdose of wrath. That's amazing. Cool. I got to get there.
Starting point is 00:11:33 I got to get that far. Yeah, that much. But that's all to say that the McCoy's held grudges and were generally unpleasant to be around. And that went double for Randall McCoy. Now after the pop-up murders, devil ants Hatfield stayed in hiding while his so-called hellhounds acted on his orders. Top amongst his men was his son, Cap Hatfield, so named because he'd lost an eye after an accident with the percussion cap. Yeah, because sock clops is already trademarked by Marvel. Known as one of the most merciless and just plain nasty members of the
Starting point is 00:12:07 Hatfield clan, Cap would be responsible for some of the most reprehensible and inexcusable actions to come. As far as appearance went, Cap was described as a grim figure with a trimmed beard, a mustache, and bangs select a crosses forehead that made him look in the words of author, Lisa, author, like Adolf Hitler only gloomier. Wow. That's hard.
Starting point is 00:12:30 It'd be a sadder Adolf Hitler. Because I don't think he'd, I like when I see Adolf Hitler's face, the first thing I think of like, that guy's got to figure it out. That guy's loving life. Imagine if you only had one eye, how much anger he'd be. Oh, what?
Starting point is 00:12:43 Or would make him more empathetic. I don't know what he's up. You're like, you know, I don't know. I don't know. We'll never know. Well, supposedly he had one testicle. So, but that didn't, that didn't, that did nothing. I've just made a man.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Yeah, there's, yes. Yeah. Well, Cap also had a bad go of it when he was 15 after being shot in the stomach on Christmas Eve. The bullet destroyed part of his colon, and for a long time, it was said that anything he ate would partially spill out of the wound. Now I got a mind to show you my second butthole. If you quit tucking.
Starting point is 00:13:16 He's such a dick that he had two assholes. Yeah, I got two. All right, I got my I call one asshole a and I call this one my sad piece Is my little finger like a shit my finger Ultimately though cap hat field was a Coralsum and vindictive young man described as simply bad without a single redeeming point a prime example is how cap got his wife and the keyword is got yes Yeah, he had become enamored with his first cousins Nancy Smith point. A prime example is how Cap got his wife. And the key word is God. Yes. Yeah. He had become enamored with his first cousins, Nancy Smith. But she turned down his offers of marriage for years on end. She got all the finest qualities of my aunt,
Starting point is 00:13:54 meaning bosoms and legs, and she got all the finest qualities of my uncle. Mean the big old face. Eventually Nancy Smith married a timber merchant, but he somehow managed to get mysteriously murdered two years after their wedding. Murder was never solved. But after that, Nancy Smith finally gave up and married Cap Hatfield. See romance. Yeah, that used to be romance when a woman just decided to make the rest of her life horrible. Yeah, you're scary enough. Or it was decided for her. But while random McCoy stewed in his juices, devil ants built up his timber business from various hidey holes, and random
Starting point is 00:14:36 hat fields and McCoy's murdered each other with fair regularity but little fanfare. There was, however, another character waiting in the wings to join on the side of the McCoy's, a man who had been biting his time for years. That was the son of Rich Jake Klein, Perry Klein. This was the man who'd gotten the shit into the stick years earlier when devilance had field had swindled him out of Klein's 6,000 acre birthright. Oh, yeah. And those tender memories go long.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Yeah, he's the only one with like an actual education. Yeah, he's an, he acre birthright. Oh, yeah. And those tender memories go long. Yeah. He's the only one with like an actual education. Yeah. He becomes an attorney. Yeah. In the years since, he'd become an attorney, and it's been a lot of time forming political connections, which he'd use against Devil Ants Hatfield in service of both his own personal vendetta and the McCoy cause.
Starting point is 00:15:21 See what's Perry Klein became reasonably successful. He cozyed up to an up and coming Kentucky politician named Simon Bolivar Buckner. Great names in this whole fucking. I love all of this. There are so many great names. It's hard to remember who signed what person is. Yes. Well, that's the funny thing is that it's a kind of a, it's an interesting name because Simone Bolivar. Simone Bolivar. Yeah. you know, Bolivia, you know, down he was a huge figure in South America. They probably saw it in a magazine or something. They were like, Bolivar, that's a cramp.
Starting point is 00:15:51 A Buckner was running for governor of Kentucky and Klein promised the relatively ample McCoy vote if Buckner promised to bring the hat fields to real justice for the pop-up murders. And this is where the government comes in. See at this time in place, murder was a relatively Lucy Goosey charge. It's more akin to today's charge of manslaughter. This was due to the fact that Kentucky's prisons were so packed that if a murderer was not sentenced to death,
Starting point is 00:16:16 he could expect a release after only eight years or so on average. Like Norway. Such extreme differences. It really is. What's cause it shows they're like, well, they're either a super villain. Like they have killed dozens of people and they're a war criminal. We got to kill them right now. But if you just kill like one guy, it's like, you know, we got enough people to feed anyway. You know, we don't need all these people. How hard can you break a rock? need all these people. Well, how hard can you break a rock?
Starting point is 00:16:45 I would help. I think I need to go. I gotta go. No, I can break some rocks. Furthermore, the governor at the time was pardoning as many people as he could to earn votes. By the time he was out of office, he'd released over a thousand inmates. In other words, if the Hatfields were caught convicted and incarcerated, the punishment would most likely not fit the crime in the minds of the McCoy's and Perry Klein. They want total destruction of the Hatfields. They
Starting point is 00:17:12 wanted them to be taken down. They want their lands back. They want, they want them all dead. Yeah. So Perry Klein hitched a star to Simon Boulevard Buckner. And after Buckner was elected, Perry Klein was able to get the pop-up murder indictments brought back to the forefront five years after the murders had occurred. And when it came to feuds, Buckner was no longer all that concerned with Franklin the locals. As feuds in general, we're starting to become a serious problem in Kentucky. Besides the Hatfield McCoy feud in Pike County, there were five other feuds that were even bloodier, although none of those had the natural narrative structure of the Hatfield McCoy feud. McEyfield and Pike County, there were five other feuds that were even bloodier, although none of those had the natural narrative structure of the Hatfield McEyfield.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Yeah, that's why we can't get into it because they're really just a bunch of guys killing each other in the woods. Yeah, that's it. And no one even knows their names. Yeah, they knew their names, but nobody remembers their names today. Yeah, and they'd look them back and it's also very poorly recorded. Yeah. And it was just a, it was a violent mess.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Kentucky was a violent mess. As we have said before, it's just interesting, because this one feud just serves as a weirdly picture-perfect way to look into this phenomenon. And it's all spelled out, you know, that shows kind of like the dynamics between the groups. And they just kill someone and dress them up like a dead deer and call it a dead. Yeah, I've been like, oh, someone must have been pain is ton black. My God, that deer was just drawing his life. Dancing disco, anonymous partners, and then the grim reaper comes.
Starting point is 00:18:42 But besides the fact the previously entertaining feuds were becoming a real danger, the feuds in a much more historically consequential sense were getting in the way of the industrialization of Appalachia. Or Appalachia, Appalachia. I got enough response back that said Appalachia is fine. It's just Appalachians do that and they're the ones that get mad when you don't. But it most don't. But to people within Appalachia and Appalachia, it does exist.
Starting point is 00:19:10 But it's you. It's on you. It's like the knowledge thing. You know, you get mad. You know what I mean? I say it, they get mad. Yeah, I understand. You get to say New Orleans is not correct.
Starting point is 00:19:20 It's at least New Orleans, but you mostly the time you go, no, but then also Robb and her chance, it's like Long Island. Technically Long Island is one word. Long Island. Yes. While the railroad, coal and timber industries were still rapidly expanding, the feuds were not what you'd call business friendly. And if Buckner could get these feuds under control, then he'd be able to bring in the serious money men, people like the Rockefellers.
Starting point is 00:19:44 Oh, yeah. Everyone involved could become truly wealthy. And now you guys get to all be brought into the fold. And then just so you know, with this great opportunities for all of you guys to work yourselves to death in our minds. Well, you guys used to just live here for free and to stay in yourself, but you needed us.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Because now we give you this opportunity to die. Underground. Yes. Underground. Yes. Underground. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Underground. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 20 some on Hatfields who been indicted five years before this attracted loads of bounty hunters who made life even more dangerous for the people caught in the middle additionally butner also reached the governor of West Virginia a man named E Willis Wilson who was nicknamed Wendy not only because he gave long speeches but because he was a frequent and fragrant party bitch now listen all right I'm pretty bitch. Now listen, all right.
Starting point is 00:20:42 My speeches are not that long. This is about the fart. And I know because I am windy. All right? They call me windy because. God. I got, yeah. Honestly, I'm having a hard time even
Starting point is 00:20:59 getting through this. Hey, names windy. God. I need'll remember. Stupid. I expected it. And wanted. Yes. It was included for a reason.
Starting point is 00:21:19 It was encouraged. A far to your know, governor, Buckner asked Governor Wilson to authorize a special deputy to hunt the indicted hap fields. And that's how bad Frank Phillips got involved in the hap field, McCoy feud. Bad Frank, he was the one who gave himself the nickname. But he deserved it. Yes. He's the one that deserved it.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Now, did he have a grogu? Can you imagine the weird little apple that should pre me that somehow continue to live. Like a little satchel next to him. You must protect the time. Well, you may imagine bad Frank to be an old grizzled bounty hunter type, a Clint Eastwood, if you will. He was in fact just 25 years old and already had two X wives and five children under his belt. Yeah, fuck.
Starting point is 00:22:10 And I'd argue that he hadn't earned the nickname bad Frank yet. I think bad Frank is for some 35 and older. You don't get bad Frank until you hit 35. Well, mostly it's because in my mind, I'm calling somebody bad Frank is because I know a good Frank. And obviously I going a bad Frank because you know, I you got to know that's the Frank you don't get haircuts from anymore Yeah, but you also don't give yourself your own nickname. Yeah, you know, I guess you don't yeah So if you start telling people no, it's bad Frank then there's something going on. Hey now. Hey, I'm bad Frank Yeah, that's sad. Yeah, you get stopping correct me. No Described as a rat terrier of a man bad Frank Frank was small, but fierce and was feared even by the McCoy's with which he'd allied himself. It's just a scene from a movie. You could totally
Starting point is 00:22:53 be like, all right, now who's going to handle our little Hatfield problem? They're like, we can get super tall, Greg. No, no, I got hang last week. We're gonna get quite the feet to hang super tall. You and we honestly we had to put a tree on top of a tree. It was an almost Egyptian level architectural model. What about cholera down also passed recently. And there's a hat going around for them for his family. Also, by the way, it's a bit of a, we're doing it's called a go fuck me. But also, but you know what they think the crowd parts and it's just this little tiny man being like, yeah, I'm bad. Well, as far as what bad Frank did for fun, he drank, but he was also said to a cost
Starting point is 00:23:39 stranger. He came upon during his travels by shooting at their feet to make him dance all while he laughed himself silly That shit's not like a that's not is that real? Yeah, yeah people would do it Now all right you can go now all right I've wasted all my bullets Because I'm empty and now that I was kicking you in the nuts He's either guns are empty. And now they got to kick you in the nuts.
Starting point is 00:24:04 He's got any toes left. Like, yeah, if he won. If he danced faster. Yeah. I'm not ready. Now, bad Frank almost immediately got overzealous when it came to his appointment as special deputy. He overstepped.
Starting point is 00:24:18 The people of West Virginia soon came to fear bad Frank as a man who would invade homes without a warrant, kidnapped anyone who he thought might be involved with the Hatfields and whisk them away to Kentucky. In one instance, Bad Frank Phillips arrested a man that he thought was a Hatfield ally named Tom Chambers. But while the guy he arrested was named Tom Chambers, it was not the right Tom Chambers. Strangely, the man Bad Frank arrested was Tom Chambers' stepfather, who was also named Tom Chambers stepfather who was also named Tom Chambers.
Starting point is 00:24:45 This is what I'm talking about. The painless story is like so annoying sometimes. They need you just like maybe each other different. I have to be mean. Awful Frank. Nuson, Joe. Yeah. St and joke. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Stinky Tom. Stinky Tom. Yeah. But even though bad Frank quickly lost his official position as special deputy because of fuck ups like this, he continued his duties in an unofficial capacity due to his tenacity. He and his posse had by Christmas day 1887, illegally abducted most of the indicted Hatfields for trial and Kentucky. Damn. Now, devilance Hatfields for trailing Kentucky.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Damn. Now, Devil Ants Hatfield was at a bit of a loss as to how to stop this without killing a government appointed official, even if Bad Frank's title had been stripped away. Finally, though, he figured that if he took out the angriest, most ragedful McCoy, the rest of the family would run out of steam. That, of course, is how Devil Antance hatfield decided to justify a murderous raid on the home of one Randall McCoy in what came to be known as the New Year's Night massacre of 1888.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Now I want your boys to remember, Randall's going to be on re going to be lazy. Right, you can be sitting in the chair, seems to be almost like useless in a way unable to defend himself in many others. We're going to get him tonight. Yeah. That a takedown random a coy once and for all, devolence tapped bad gym vans as head of the rating party. Yeah. Bad gym vans very much earned his nickname. He's a little older. And the years since the feud began, bad gym also came to be known as crazy Jim. See, this is a good, that's a promotion. Yeah. And in this time in place, crazy Jim was a nickname to take serious. Oh, yeah. If you're in, nobody's wearing a shirt. You're in an area where nobody is a normal man. Normal
Starting point is 00:26:43 doesn't exist. That's going a little bit far that's playing into the stereotype. So, aren't necessarily true. You're right. I mean, there are men who don't wear shoes that scroll hunt, Sam. That's different. Yeah, that's different.
Starting point is 00:26:52 That's natural. But still, like, these people were, I mean, by evidence, unhinned. That's what I'm saying. So, I'm the whole. I'm saying they're unhinned. So, with, he's crazy Jim. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Crazy Jim. And it's not wacky Jim. Yeah. It's like wacky Jim and crazy Jim or to entirely different people I don't want honestly. I'd rather be next to crazy Jim than wacky Jim Wacky Jim was the guy in the fucking scene and deliver it He's always got some left field I do. He's like the kind of guy who's like suspenders break and they replace it with two belts. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:27:33 anything's closed to me. And so on the same Christmas day, the bad Frank Phillips and his posse rounded up the last of the reachable indicted hatfields, devil ants sent bad gym vans with a small band of raiders to kill random McCoy in his own home. Now out of the 37 Hatfield family members and goons who participated in the overall feud, nine came along on this mission. The party included amongst others, the intellectually disabled yet highly violent cotton top mounts. He was the so-called wood cult son of Devilanse's brother. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Devilanse's three eldest sons, John C. Cap and Bob, a timber crew member named French Alice, the real Tom Chambers. Okay. Great. Good. Good. He's there and a son-in-law of Devilanse's sister Matilda named Gorilla Mitchell. And that's Gerr, not Gore.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Yeah. Yeah. I just watched Captain Ron. I get it. Ger go. I don't you watch over gorillas. Now, the raid was supposed to take place on New Year's Eve, but as the raiding party was approaching the house, someone knocked down a fence and sent it crashing down the hill. It was probably caught.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Yeah. That's a shitty fence. Yeah. Why even have it? it tripped over a frog fell down the fucking hell uh this of course alerted the macois and the raid was therefore postponed until the next night they won't see it coming tomorrow night i think i heard a damn nabbit come from the woods
Starting point is 00:29:01 yeah that's definitely well let me use my listening ear. Yep. That is definitely the tumble of an intellectually disabled man. I know it well because I've done it myself. And according to legend, right before the crew approached Randall McCoy's home on the actual night of the raid, bad gym vans turned to the man and said, quote, may he'll be my him. I will kill the man that goes back on me tonight. If power burn to shame for this, he could have been a poet. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Yeah, I hate punctuation. I guess maybe the fashion, I would be like, ee, comments. If he was a poet, it'd be more like, may hell be my happy. May have. I will kill the man that goes back on me tonight. How do we burn? You will all see what I plan to do. Oh, yes. Oh, there's mud on my gloves. No, random McCoy was by no means alone in his cabin with him was his wife Sarah, his 25 year old son Calvin, polebert McCoy's young orphaned son Mel and four daughters ranging
Starting point is 00:30:16 from five to 29 years old. Just all I just see them all sleep in in one big bed. I guess all the way to it's literally on top of each other. All the sleep and gaps. That's all I see. I am metal son of Tolba. Son of Tolba. All were asleep when the rating party were spotted by the McCoy watch dog who barked at the first sign of intruders. Bark bark bark bark bark bark. Once the love of characters.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Yeah. Yeah. Bark. Once the lamp light inside went on bad gym vent. Yeah. Come out. Even boys. Serenaders.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Christopher's fall. But before the McCoy's even had a chance to think it over, Johnson Hatfield, either nervous or drunk, probably drunk, he fired first, which caused every other member of the rating party to open fire on the home. There's got to be a trigger display and there's got to be some like you have the one guy going home. Yeah. The brain part. Yeah. Yeah. No, well, you also just got to keep your team sober. Make sure John C doesn't get fucked up. How do you get them in the killing rage? God, that's true.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Yeah. Well, determined to defend what was theirs, both Randall McCoy and his son Calvin returned fire, wounding Johnson Hatfield in the shoulder. Right around that time, bad Jim Vance got the idea to set the roof of the cabin on fire. And he sent either Tom Chambers or Gorilla Mitchell to climb to the top with a torch.
Starting point is 00:31:43 The source is very. I said Gorilla Mitchell. That's what he does. Yeah. What does Tom do? Sounds like Tom's the guy from MySpace. Like he's just, hey, I just see the guy from MySpace hanging out. No, guerilla Mitchell is going to clamber.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah, it's his job. But before they could set the roof a light, random McCoy shot the fire starter in the hand and blew off three of his fingers down to the knuckles. Damn, fingers belong to my sister. That's racist against other people and I'm sorry. And that sent him tomblin off the roof. Others in the rating party, however, managed to set the cabin on fire on the ground level.
Starting point is 00:32:19 But since there were no hat fields on the roof anymore, Calvin McCoy climbed into the cabin's loft, which had holes cut every six feet, so it could be defended in just this type of situation. That you know that was an argument between the wife and that life. Now, see, you gotta stop cutting the hole. I'm telling you, half of you is coming. They're gonna stop burning our cabin for the bottom.
Starting point is 00:32:40 And then I'm gonna climb up in the holes and say, you're crazy. There is snow on the bottom. I'm gonna climb up in the holes and say, you're crazy. There is no on the turkey. There is a squirrel in the bathroom. Right in the middle of the gun fight. He just looks over his wife with this shitty. Yeah. I told you what I say. What I say, Sarah, sometimes husbands are correct. Sometimes husbands are correct. But from that vantage point, Calvin was able to hold off the rating party from invading the house. Meanwhile, Randall Stodders, Alephair, Fanny, and Adelaide tried putting out the fire with
Starting point is 00:33:15 water and the only other liquid in the house, buttermilk. It did little to abate the blaze, but it did create the horrible stench of scorched dairy. That's the smell of war. Been there done that. Yeah. scorching that milk. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:29 I hear scorching that milk. After the girls ran out of water in the house, Alaphair, the eldest, tried making her way out to the well for more water, despite being disabled from a polio infection. No, don't send quick Stefan. Send Alaphair, legs just don't work. Yeah, that just works. Yeah, they lose their arms. But she was the oldest.
Starting point is 00:33:51 Yep. So you didn't want us in the little girls out there. I guess so. But in an action that would sway public opinion against the Hatfields, Cap Hatfield mercilessly gunned down Alawfare with a bullet to the chest. Yeah, not good. Almost immediately Alawfare's mother Sarah rushed to help, but she was stopped by bad Jim Vance.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Bad Jim Vance clubbed her with his rifle, breaking her arm and hip, joining in either John Seahat Field or cotton top mounts, pistol whips Sarah, so hard that the gun butt left an impression on her skull. She was 58. Yeah, 59. Like 59. 59. And but this is what, this is why they look in the end. It's not good for them.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Yeah. The rest were still busy with Calvin McCoy, who is still popping out of the loft holes, firing shots to keep the writing party from advancing further. Eventually, he hit cotton top in the forearm and drove the hat fields away from the house entrance into a covered passageway.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Something jumped up and hit me. I feel like at any point, these every character in this story is like two to four bullets in them. You know what I mean? It does get there. There's actually a question that's asked later on. It's just like, why is everyone getting just wounded?
Starting point is 00:34:59 Why are there so few deaths and so many wounds? I think it's hard. It's like extremely, extremely hard. I think it's extremely difficult to shoot a man. Yeah. And the bullets are different back then. They're like, well, soft. Yeah. I don't know, man. They're still like, this is the time when the Winchester repeating rifles started coming
Starting point is 00:35:15 along. You know, when the cult law, I think lawmaker, law giver, I can't remember what it's called, but like, you know, cult just came out with this pistol, the pistol, they say, won the West. But yeah, those guns are solid. Yeah. They're, they're not fighting with like muskets or like single shot. Right. You can fight with them now. Like you can shoot one of those guns now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You could hold off somebody with the Winchester repeating. It's the one that you go like, okay, yeah, I can't wait because it was the first rifle that you could use without having to reload after each shot. So it changed the fucking game and guests who had the Winchester repeating rifles and McCoy's.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Oh, okay. Yeah. So the McCoy's were the ones who actually had the better guns, which is why they were able to hold off at larger force. That's really it. The battlefields of the ones with money. They're the good guns. Well, it shows what happens when you come corners.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Well, event, well, this is the funny thing is that eventually like a devil ants have feels like they got these good. They got these. We got to get some of them guns. And so they ordered a bunch of rifles and 10,000 rounds of ammunition, but his wife filled out the order form. And instead of bringing in 10,000 rounds of ammunition, they brought in a thousand rounds of ammunition, which is nowhere. That's like one gun battle, you know, with the McCoy. So it's not that. Yeah, she fucked up. That's like one gun battle, you know, with the McCoy. So it's not that, yeah, she fucked up. That's my inventory. Yeah. And the McCoy. And this is why civ is important. It really is. It's all about it. It's about RPGs. If you could actually sit and understand what's in your quaver, what do you have in your supply area? All right,
Starting point is 00:36:40 because you can't, because that's as good as your fights going to be. Yeah, why didn't devil ancest wife have a steam account? Well, I didn't. But in the end, they were just too many hat fields because someone did manage to set the roof on fire, which took away Calvin's advantage. He was forced downstairs, but still, he and Randall were able to hold off the hat fields for the time being. Overall, the battle lasted for an hour and a half, but the climax came when Calvin made a break for the corn crib about a hundred yards from the house to provide further defense and cover for Randall. At this point though, events occurred very quickly.
Starting point is 00:37:15 As Calvin ran, the Hatfields turned their fire on him, which opened them up to an attack from random McCoy, who busted out dressed only in his night shirt and long johns holding a double barrel shotgun. Well now we've woke up daddy. Yeah, this is the 19th century version of the game don't wake daddy. The first barrel the shotgun hit johnsy hat field in the shoulder, although most of the damage was absorbed by a thick coat. Likewise, Gorilla Mitchell was shot in the gut by the second barrel, but his cartridge belts stopped most of the pellets because random McCoy, what it sounds like, he's just too far away for the shotgun to get it. He's just blasting from the porch. Yeah. Out of shots, Randall then went for cover,
Starting point is 00:37:58 but he hadn't kept the hat fields busy enough for Calvin to make it to his own cover behind the corn crep. Just as he was almost there, either Johnson or Cap Hatfield aimed and shot him in the head from 75 yards away at night, no less killing him instantly. That's like one of the things they'll talk about forever as friends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You remember those like the kind of guys who do all those Instagram tricks. Yeah. Yeah. They throw the card for fucking for. Yeah. Until they get it, we for fucking for you until you get it. We're supposed to pretend like that. Wow. You got the one go.
Starting point is 00:38:28 They'll be there for an hour and a half. Shoot. Yeah. They're going to hit them eventually. Rich. Randle, meanwhile, managed to slip away to a neighbor's farm where he burrowed and hid in a haystack to save himself from death by McCoy or exposure. With their target long gone, the Hatfield gang or exposure with their target long gone.
Starting point is 00:38:45 The Hatfield gang wrote off with their wounded and tow and just before cotton top mounts passed out from the pain. He famously said, well, we killed the boy and the girl. And I am sorry for it. Well, it might have bad job of it. There will be trouble over this one. Yeah. So the only rational person's gotten top. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:05 He's the only one that like sees ahead. I feel like that was bad. That was bad. And I'll feel like it's going to come back and hold all of us. Y'all think maybe we should hire a PR firm. Maybe we should talk to a lawyer. Now, despite being clubbed and pistol whipped, Sarah McCoy, 58 at the time of the attack, she'd survived. She had, however, been knocked unconscious. And by the time she woke up on that cold night in January, the blood from her head wound had frozen her hair to the ground. Jakes eventually neighbors came to help. And the story that was told showed that the hat feels had finally gone too far, even for the few obsessed people of Appalachia. Particularly, people took
Starting point is 00:39:50 issue with the murder of Alaphair McCoy and the nature of a midnight raid on a family home that just generally left a bad taste in people's mouths as well. You kill people outside out of an election. I mean, instead of being basically another spontaneous gang fight or a gun battle between a bunch of idiots, the Hatfields had engaged in a premeditated raid against a family. It wasn't just guys blowing off steam anymore. No, they'd set fire to a home without regard to the children inside. They'd savagely clubbed a grandmother nearing her 60s. They'd gun down a polio survivor who was a woman to boot for no crime greater than trying
Starting point is 00:40:29 to keep her family cabin from burning down. Yeah, you don't have to complete all your new year's resolutions on the first day. It's like it gets through to March. All right. Shoot a girl would survive the polio in the springtime. But even though public opinion had turned against the Hatfields, random McCoy and his two surviving sons still had to move out of the tug fork valley because there was nothing left for them on the farm.
Starting point is 00:40:53 They moved into town in a Pikeville over in Kentucky. So right now, half fields of one. That's how I put it. Halffields are currently winning the few. Yeah, they're winning the few, but they're losing the people, but they're winning the few. Yes. But as far as devilance Hatfield went, he was far more upset that the rating party had failed in their mission to kill random McCoy than he was about how badly they'd fucked up the job.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Because there's partially a little bit of him that does sort of, I maybe it's too much credit, given a little bit of practical. Like he knew that if they killed Randall McCoy, it will end. If you will go, if we just give we knock him out. Yeahoy, it will end. If you would, we'll go. If we just give, we knock him out. Yeah, but it was, but it was all, but you still killed a bunch of little girls in the process. Well, that's the thing. It was also on him to realize that if you send a fucking band of raiders to a person's home. And you, if you don't, I mean, this is fucked up.
Starting point is 00:41:40 If you leave witnesses. Yeah. Yeah, also, they left, they left a lot of witnesses. But they could have killed every, I mean, you killed the entire family. Yeah. I've finished the job. You have to do something that's horrible.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Yeah. But you also want people to know that. Oh, they'll know because they'll go to the McCoy house and it's gone. Yeah. It's like a burning. It's like a pile of of cinders and everybody's bad. That is true. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:00 But because the raid had gone so badly, bad Frank Phillips and attorney Perry Klein formed a posse of 20 men to resume the rating of random homes in search of the Hatfields. Because Perry Klein, you would think as, oh, he's the guy that's, he's an attorney. He's, you know, involved in politics. He was fully involved. Yeah. He's people like he was out there. He's angry. Yes.
Starting point is 00:42:22 He's motivated. Yeah. But we're not a single hat field have been found in five years following the pop-all murders. It took only eight days to find and kill the leader of the New Year's Night Massacre. On January 8, 1888, Cap Hatfield and Bad Gym Vance were walking along a mountain path carrying a bucket of gutted squirrel. Just see everybody going through damn porcelain going our half self some squirrels. You are my best friend bad Jim. You are my best friend, Mr. Kaffir.
Starting point is 00:42:57 Bad Jim. He wasn't in any mood to sing any songs because even though they had a bunch of gutted squirrels, he made himself sick because he'd eaten too much raccoon meat. It's just so sweet slamming. And when you got a bucket of squirrels, save a little room. Don't eat all the raccoons. He's one of those things where, oh, I sit down. And the first thing they serve is all these delicious raccoon meat, right? And I'm starting, you know, I'm blowing through the appetizer.
Starting point is 00:43:23 I don't even get to the outtrick. I got to work on my portion control. I got to think about my eyes are bigger than my stomach. I didn't want to finish the raccoon, but I need a new hat. And so, man, my hat's wet. A cap and bad gem were able to see the posse led by Bad Frank Phillips and Perry Klein coming down the road. So they hid behind some rocks.
Starting point is 00:43:50 When the moment was right, they started shooting. But maybe because Bad Jim was still reeling from his succulent raccoon meal, he was quite quickly shot in the arm. Knowing that it was all over for him, Bad Jim told Cap to run off and warn the other nearby hat fields about the posse. And this posse also included squirrel hunt and Sam and a man curiously named Shanghai Will Ferrell. Think about it. That there was a man named Shanghai Will Ferrell. During this time, and we know nothing else about it. There is no, there's no history about it. We just have these single, I'm going to say mysterious. That's a mysterious. Hey, I think it was him.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Will barrels had an expunge from the internet, instead of fear of getting canceled. Where is Shanghai? Well, he might have got Shanghai. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because that was an actual term. Like it was an actual term. Like it was an actual thing that people did. I mean, it was probably a racist term. Now, what is it again? Uh, Shanghai is when you are, it's kind of like, well, the term, what I remember is you get kidnapped and forced to serve on a ship.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Basically, I don't know how the origins of the term, but that's what it is. Is that you, it's a, it's what the, we did an underground tour many years ago of San Francisco where they talk about that. They would, you go to a specific shady bar that you probably shouldn't go to. And like that bar would kind of be known as a place that would deliver free work force to these two shipment people. Well, the reason why it was called Shanghai is because, yeah, they were kidnapping guys and they were putting them on the wrong and they'd wake up on a boat. Yeah, and the reason why it's called Shanghai is because Shanghai was the common destination of ships with abducted crews. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Sure. Now, why wasn't squirrel hunting Sam hunting
Starting point is 00:45:38 the squirrels? He was told to take a break. They're all like sitting down here and been like, we think I honestly, we haven't seen a squirrel in month's squirrel heart and Frank. We haven't seen a squirrel among, we haven't seen a squirrel in month's squirrel out in the same. All right, we got to think about this, all right? It's getting personal for you.
Starting point is 00:45:58 We need you to, especially after that incident with the full grown man dressed as a squirrel. Right Right. We know it's made a set up of a whole few. Nevertheless, the gunfight continued. But after Bad Frank Phillips shot Bad Jim Vance in the chest, it was all but over. Both of them aimed their respective weapons and what was to be the final shot, but Bad Frank squeezed first, hitting Bad Jim in the head, which sent his hat fly with brains in tow. Cool. Supposedly, two McCoy shook hands over Bad Jim's corpse and dipped a corner of a handkerchief
Starting point is 00:46:33 in his blood to signify a blood feud revenge. You just got coy. Another source claims that Bud McCoy dipped his fingers into Bad Jim vans's exposed brains and use them to polish his boots. Look, I show you what I'm about to do, boys. Yeah, I show the ultimate disrespect. I'm gonna polish my boots in his brain. Man, I ruined these boots. My life's gonna be so bad. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:06 He then licked his fingers clean and went on his way, leaving caps nearly headless corpse on the path. Now over the next week and a half, seven more Hatfield few participants were rounded up by bad Frank Phillips and Perry Klein. Although now that big Jim Vance was dead, Cap Hatfield was the top target. Why do you say to my head, Perry Klein, David Hyde Pierce? I don't know. David Hyde Pierce doesn't have the toughness. Devil Ants, yeah. Kelsey Grimmer.
Starting point is 00:47:32 No, that I could see. Oh, that I could very much see. I could never see. You don't see Debbie. The very kind is David Hyde Pierce. I know David Hyde because David Hyde Pierce is too fussy. Randall Coy, the father from Franchero. Oh, yeah, that's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:47:45 That's pretty good. That's just casting. I'm just saying, if you think about it. Who's Daphne? She got shot. She was the one, she was all affair. A squirrel hunt and sams can be played by the dogs. Yeah, that's cute.
Starting point is 00:48:02 It's a wishbone, but all these guys get their brain shot out, which is a good new pitch for a re-up for wish mode. But on January 19th, 1888, I burst a bad Frank's party. It's 21st. Huh? That's 21st. I know when my own fucking birthday is. It's January 19th. He might be wrong.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Holden's birthday is the 21st, 28th of December. Fuck. Yep. Anyway, bad Frank's Posse ran across a sizeable Hatfield force at the banks of Great Vine Creek in West Virginia, where another drawn out, yet ultimately futile gun battle was to take place. Now there's no definitive account of this story as everyone had their own version, but by the end of the two hour long gun battle, neither side had killed or captured anyone of any consequence from the other side,
Starting point is 00:48:57 although there had been several gunshot injuries. Yeah, there should have been, there better have been. How many of these are ricochets? Yeah, I'm feeling alive. It's like, they've shoot themselves. It's like them literally dropping bullets on their feet is what's hurting. There was, however, a death after the gun battle that would not hurt the hatfields at all, but would greatly damage the reputation of the McCoy. So now they got one.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Yeah. See, after the hatfields were treated, they left behind an ally named deputy bill Dempsey. Supposedly, bad Frank Phillips walked up to the wounded deputy Dempsey, who'd already surrendered and put a shotgun to Dempsey's neck. And as Dempsey begged for mercy, bad Frank pulled the trigger and blew Dempsey's head, clean off his shoulders. Cool. But the problem for bad Frank and the McCoys was that Dempsey was an actual lawman.
Starting point is 00:49:45 So arrest warrants were issued for bad Frank and the McCoy posse. See, this is the thing. Now you fucked up. Yeah. Now that he, if he's not a Hatfield, does this count on the scoreboard? No. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:49:57 but it's, it does count against the McCoy again, helping in the feud, hurting them personally. Yeah. I mean, the, the Hatfields lose a soldier, but that's it. Yeah, it's a flag on the play. Yeah. Yep. Everyone's bad. Oh,
Starting point is 00:50:09 this way public opinion back towards the Hatfields or at the very least brought the needle back to the center as far as who were the white hats and who were the black hats. Becky, I was reading the news this morning. Is it possible that all war is bad? Big Yom, I'm so used to things being simple and easy to design. Which is the difference. Also, how is caps to alive with the second asshole? I can't. It's people were different. You got better. Or it was legend. It might have been legend. Yeah, again, if you're in,
Starting point is 00:50:47 you're so much an asshole that you have to, that does sound like a folklore. Yeah, because they say that like food would spill out of it. So I don't know, I don't know, that I don't think it happens like that. I mean, it's more like like, oh, shit, shit's gonna spill out of there. A clostomy bag nation,
Starting point is 00:51:01 side stories, LPL, LG, Mell.com, just poop, budger shoot out of that hole every once in a while. Yeah. Thank you. You know what? I think done and research done from personal experience that I'm not going to get into here. I think the food does sometimes come through partially undigested. I have to room. I'm not like a big corner of the cob.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Spinach as well. I've been having some spinach show up in my poop, food not not digested. Skittles. Yeah. Would they pop out? No. Oh, I know.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Oh, I know. I mean, like bits of like chewed food, but like they side stories, LPL and gmail.com. Do you have two assholes? Please let us know what it's like. I can just I have someone I can call like right after this. I don't want to harass someone. I don't want to hunt them down. Right from North way.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Now, the New Year's night massacre in the ensuing battles turned the Hatfield McCoy feud from something the national papers might pick up every once in a while if they needed a fill space, turned it from that into front page headlines across the country. In these stories, the Hatfields were portrayed as ruthless desparados while the McCoys were the good guys upholding the country. And these stories, the Hatfields were portrayed as ruthless desparados, while the McCoys were the good guys upholding the law. Interesting. Intent only on bringing the murderous Hatfield vigilantes to justice. I did an interesting first blush. Well, remember, that's kind of what the point was, because after the pop-off tree murders, uh, random McCoy wanted a foreign posse and go get him, and his wife said, like, no, let the law take care of it. And that had been the McCoy's line all these years.
Starting point is 00:52:27 We're going to let the law take care of it. We're going to do this legally, the hat fields or a bunch of psychopaths. You know, they're, you know, they're, they're evil capitals. Yeah, they're evil capitals. Yeah. It's so weird because they're the ones with the tempers. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Yes. But they are righteous and they're anger. And I feel, and again, it's about small scale warfare versus large massacres. You know, like that's kind of what we're looking at. It's more they pop off easy, but they have a guiding line. And we're not supposed to be doing, we're supposed to be allowing the courts to handle this at some point. Yeah. The New Year's massacre was like horrible. Yeah, that's why they lost the, they, that's why they're losing. Mm-hmm. As a consequence of the tide of public opinion turning, devilance Hatfield's creditors decided to call in all of his debts at once,
Starting point is 00:53:09 which he'd been refusing to pay out of principle because he believed he was being overcharged by all of them. But once the debts were called, devilance was forced to sell off the land he'd strong armed from Perry Klein, and who else bought it, but a coal agent working for a group of Philadelphia capitalists who paid devilance's debts as a part of the deal. In the two years following, much of devilance's land was cleared for a railroad that increased the value 10 fold. Because as it turned out, that land was located not too far away from a 13 foot wide coal
Starting point is 00:53:40 vein. Now, this is kind of what we're leading to in this series is this idea that this was the true consequential part of the story. Yeah. Was that they used all of this shit to just slide on in because they just think they're because they're dealing with local problems. Yeah. And then local problems. Well, this is the problem we're dealing with somebody who has a long view, quote, unquote, of history that you're just a fucking little bump on the road on who bought the land. Who is this guy? Uh, a coal agent representing a group of Philadelphia capitalists.
Starting point is 00:54:14 So he's from their Yankees. Yeah, he's a guy who probably you had a suit, but he probably showed up in a straw hat. Like when I used to have super powerful agents and they'll be like, when they used to tell take me out to lunch and they would be like, well, Harry likes big sloppy fat boy barbecue right? They would take me to some big gross restaurant and then they'd eat nothing. They'd sit there and eat like a salad and they're like, get it fat boy. Like they want to see you do it.
Starting point is 00:54:38 They will be like, get a big rack of ribs. We know what you like, you know, and then we like to probably showed up dressed like a hat feel. You're like, straw chicken, I was mouthy like, well, I do know what it like, you know, and then me like, you probably showed up dressed like a hat feel. You're like, straw, chicken, I was mouthy. Like, well, I do know what it's like out here. I reckon dealing with these hard, scrambled times and sometimes you need to reach out. Well, I who I would compare him to the most a character that an example that I know you know, the psychopath, uh, advanced man for, uh, in Deadwood.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's that guy. Okay. the psychopath advanced man for in Deadwood. Oh, yes. That guy. That guy. Like, yeah, that's the agent that goes out in advance of the very, very rich people before they come in and destroy everything. Yeah, this is how we take out all these idiots.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Yes, this is how we make it so that your stuff is our stuff. Yeah. Now, that isn't to say that devilans was landlister penniless. Since the coal agent had paid his debts, devilance still had $7,000 from the sale of his land. And it's hard to calculate what that would be equivalent to today, but it's probably in the range of like a quarter million dollars. If not more, I mean, he's still a rich man in this day and in that time and place.
Starting point is 00:55:40 But that's all to say that devilance still had plenty of money to buy a new homestead off an eccentric wanderer named old Hawksteel. He was also 25 years old. Interestingly though, devil ants now lived several thousand acres inland from the tug fork, meaning that both he and random McCoy had now been forced out of the area where their families had lived for almost a hundred years as a consequence of the feud. It's almost like it's good for nothing. Yes. But even though yes, what is it good for the economy?
Starting point is 00:56:19 We talked about it. Say it again. Yeah. National exports. Yeah. But even though devilance was far away, his new cabin was built alongside a fort with logs, two feet in diameter and walls 12 feet high. Inside this windalous fortress, he had stocks of food, water, ammunition and weapons, enough
Starting point is 00:56:36 to fight off a small army. Fun. To defend the fort, devilance organized a small army of his own and a system for summoning them with a code of rifle shots, whistles, bird calls, and animal cry. or at Devil Ants organized a small army of his own and a system for summoning them with a code of rifle shots, whistles, bird calls, and animal cries. All right, now we're not doing three rifle shots. Back to you, two whistles, all right?
Starting point is 00:56:55 I do my squawk. Right. And then I make a rhino, grunt. You bring me my coffee. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha What are we doing here? Well, so intense was devilance's paranoia that he installed a drawbridge over the creek in front of his own cabin. I fucking dad's a shit dude. I'm fucking moat so bad. But just as private detectives and bounty hunters galore were drawn to the tug fork valley
Starting point is 00:57:20 in search of fugitives, a newspaper called the New York World sent a reporter named TC Crawford to see if he could find an interview devil ants had field himself. Quite a fortification here. I've got here devil ants. Who called me call you devil? That's not necessary. I'm back from New York. And I'm going to hear all about this amazing few.
Starting point is 00:57:39 The TC was a city boy through and through. And once he arrived in Pikeville, he complained that every night the town turned into quotes and absolute orgy of unruly crowds routinely overwhelming the local sheriffs. And he's from Brooklyn. Yeah, this man is going to go down to that like this is when the Bowery was like at its worst. Yes, this is when there was literally it's called gangs of New York. As far as where all this happened, the people of Pikeville allegedly use the courthouse to sell moonshine, gamble, fight, fornicate, swear, and smoke. It's fun. Yeah. Sex workers referred to as she devil, who wore, quote, scandalous dresses with not much below their knees, besides course wool socks and man's boots. But TC Crawford was able to find Devil Ants Hatfield through a friend of devils.
Starting point is 00:58:33 The interview and the additional coverage would be the basis for the first book about the feud. An American vendetta, a story of barbarism in the United States. This might be completely wrong, but wasn in this and like, didn't Sean Penn like meet with Gaddafi? Yeah. Was it one of the, like, sat down and he like, he did, he met with El Chappo. Is that who El Chappo?
Starting point is 00:58:53 It was El Chappo, where he sat down with somebody where you're like, he also went to, he also went to Gaza. He did a black archive ship. Uh, Sean Penn. Is he still just saying I'm sorry for I am Sam? Does it have to. Who's a different time period.
Starting point is 00:59:08 He went to Libya after a Gaddafi was a provocation or no, no, no, no, to tell all the people good job. Oh, good. Yeah. He's a war. He's a war guy. Yeah, he likes it. Well, this book would help create the stereotype of the uneducated, violent, deviant
Starting point is 00:59:23 hillbilly, although devilance didn't do the people of Appalachia, any favors when it came to his interviews. He had to keep payfabe, man. Yeah, he did. When Crawford asked devil ants why there were so many shots fired in the feud, but so few people hit or killed, devil ants said, quote, I'll tell you, a human barman is the most curious and cunningness of barman, Bariah. And when he goes into a fight, he turns his body sideways. There is presented for the bullet only four inches of life space. And even that, he doesn't hold up far and square, right? He just keeps a dodging and a frisking a bow.
Starting point is 01:00:04 And so when the bullets come, they don't find him. Correct. Yeah. And they're a, they're so skinny, you know, they're all eating squirrels. When a man turns, he becomes completely invisible. Have you not seen bugs, bunny, versus Elmer Ford? Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Cause I haven't come across a single person in this story named like fat
Starting point is 01:00:27 bill. No, no, no, this is a time period where people they didn't eat like that. I don't know. I'm sure there was big. There was big guys. Yeah, they would definitely be just sat at the bar or whatever. Yeah. So when Crawford returned to New York City with what he believed was a full accounting at the feud, along with the healthy dose of yellow journalism, his stories ran for three weeks straight in two newspapers right next to dispatches from England about Jack the Ripper. Why true crime now? I actually did see a newspaper.
Starting point is 01:00:55 There's a story about Jack the Ripper on one side and a story about the hapholds in the McCoy's right next to him. That was the time for podcasts. Gold and eight. That is great newspaper read. Yeah, that's the time for podcasts. Golden age. That is great newspaper reading. Yeah, that's what it's hell, yeah. But even though TC Crawford did make up a lot of shit, his writing was nonetheless captivating.
Starting point is 01:01:11 He wrote, of a visit to the region made notorious by the Hatfield McCoy feud would believe that there is in this country such a barbarous, uncivilized, and holiest savage region. TC Crawford, 1888. Oh. No! And I realize that he is like from New York, but it's not going to be like it doesn't go with the music or like, I've been away in Motelack. Yeah, man. Brooklyn accent full effect. I did not know that.
Starting point is 01:02:07 The Italians were there. No, it's not. But some Italians had it. But also that was kind of a dutch thing too. But just as the bad press was coming in about Appalachia in general, Mormon involved on the Hatfield side were getting themselves captured, including a particularly violent goon named Alex Messer, widely considered at the time to be the man who blown off Bill McCoy's head at the pop a trees as opposed to bad jam bands. Alex Messer had a reputation for being one of the most dangerous men in the tug fork valley with a
Starting point is 01:02:34 reputed 27 notches on the butt of his gun. I always find that the guys that you haven't heard about are actually a lot more dangerous than the men that you have. Yeah, also, no nickname. No, no nickname. Exactly, yeah, because he don't lock them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because again, it lets you know I'm coming. If I'm bad Frank, you know that I could produce something bad to you. If I'm just Alex, you could take you by surprise.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Yeah. Alex Messer's capture, however, was totally bloodless. On November 16th, 1888, two bounty hunters came across Messer at a general store off big ugly creek. They struck up an amiable conversation. Even the creek is an epic. Exactly. The creek didn't want that.
Starting point is 01:03:11 The creek is like, I'm just here. There's no reason to come at me. I'm just a burbling anagargling. That's all I am. Just using me for your coal and your lawn. Well, making fast friends, Messer invited the two bounty hunters back to his place for a drink. But just as Messer was putting away his groceries, jabbering along, one of the bounty hunters cuffed him without a struggle.
Starting point is 01:03:34 And that's all it took to capture one of the most dangerous men in the Hatfield, McCoy, if you I guess they call me capture, Alex Messer, bro, we say bad groceries Alex. A similar trick was tried with devil ants, but to no success. A detective got the bright idea to dress up as a tramp to get close to the Hatfield Patriot. He wanted to do it like old school tramp with like the stick in the bundle. Yeah. Just do wandering through with my bindle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the detective was captured and his tramp clothes were removed to reveal a brand new suit underneath.
Starting point is 01:04:26 I knew it wasn't for these metal and Yankees. I wouldn't get so much bad press. I mean, I get where he's coming from because like if you take your suit off, you got one where you're gonna put it. Yeah, where does it stay? Yeah, where does it stay? So yeah, he just did, but thankfully, this two ended bloodlessly when devil answers men simply escorted the detective home all the way back to Ohio.
Starting point is 01:04:50 They took him to his front door and said, do not come back. First nice thing they've done so far. First, but it's also the idea of not getting into any more trouble. Yeah, trying to de-escalate. Yeah, but the man who didn't get away was Cotton Top Mounds, who was far harder to catch than one might expect.
Starting point is 01:05:10 Detectives tracked Cotton Top for days, then ambushed him near Mate Creek. Cotton Top was able to get off a shot that wounded one detective in the leg, but he was eventually subdued. Y'all can't see me. I'm just a pine cone. After his capture, the detectives took cotton top to the town of Edgar Kentucky, where word quickly spread that one of the men involved in both of the most consequential events of the Hatfield McCoyd feud have been taken alive. Soon enough, Bud McCoy and Apassie showed up and demanded that cotton top be handed over
Starting point is 01:05:43 so McCoy could quote, kill him and cut him up in 10-inch pieces. Oddly specific. The Laman refused, but did promise that cotton top would be returned to Pikeville unharmed to face charges, which is supposedly what the McCoy's were asking for all along. Yes. Now, even though cotton top was a violent individual, he was also somewhat of a tragic figure. I really even cotton top is surprised he's still alive at this point. Honestly, I just want to go on stop living. See, in order for the few to reach a conclusion, there needed to be a blood sacrifice on the
Starting point is 01:06:20 Hatfield side. And since cotton top was technically a Hatfield by blood because he was a so-called Woods cult child of Randall's brother, he fit the bill. But it could also be that cotton top became sacrifice because he not only confessed to his own crimes, but implicated a lot of proper Hatfields and their henchmen in both the pop-off murders and the New Year's night mass. So yeah, he flipped hard core. He flipped hard core. He sent me the bull, Gervano. He is that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:48 Believing that he would avoid execution by cooperating and confessing, cotton top pled guilty to the murder of Alaphair McCoy, random McCoy's polio-stricken daughter, even though it had been Cap Hatfield who pulled the trigger. But ultimately, someone had to pay for that death and that someone was cotton top in top and the Hatfields Engineered it and you you know this is called going to college. This is a part of getting made you go Do your time right you'll do a little bit in there and who's go you come back out?
Starting point is 01:07:17 They're gonna put you in the books. Yeah, that's not what the Hatfield said at all. No, no It's a thing is that cap hat field was the one who had shot ala fair McCoy. Yes. You know, and they needed to get cap hat field out of trouble. And somebody needed to go down for ala fair McCoy's murder. It wasn't going to end until someone went down for that. Yes. Might as well be the most annoying hat field. It was the most dangerous and unpredictable. Yeah. And cap also took great advantage of cotton top by promising him $500, a rifle, a saddle, and a rescue from jail in exchange for confession. Don't worry about it. Just confess, you'll come out of it. It will break you out. It's almost Christmas time.
Starting point is 01:07:57 I'm going to show up, dress the Santa Claus. I'm an explained that you have been absolved of your sins. And you come with me to the North Pole. That's in the legal documents and say that's I can, I can pop you if I'm sad. But by the time Contentop realized that nobody was coming to save him, he was already on his way to the gallows. I'll think it might be too late. Yeah. Now on the day of the execution, Contentop mounts wanted to wait until his mother arrived, so he could say goodbye. She never showed much to cotton top sorrow,
Starting point is 01:08:30 but not because she chose not to come. And another tragedy, Mrs. Mounts, died of a heart attack that morning on the road to Pike. Oh, I mean, it's stressful when your kid dies. I'm sorry for him to go. Yeah. Did he know, you think?
Starting point is 01:08:44 No, she died. No, they didn't find her body until to go. Yeah. Did he know you think that she died? No, they didn't find your body until days later. Yeah, at least there's that. Yeah. Sadly, not a single hat field showed his face at the execution. And the only people who showed up on that day who had any connection to cotton top were his enemies. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:02 And both of them showed up highly intoxicated and belligerent. The first was bad Frank Phillips who prior to cotton top even showing up at the gallows had fired his pistols into the air, shouting that he dealt with the hat fields and he's now ready to run Pac-Fail himself again bad. We're trying to just kind of deescalate. Yeah. All right. This whole thing.
Starting point is 01:09:22 It's like you're trying to put a button on this. Yeah. Deputies eventually overpowered bad. So crazy. And they confiscated his guns. And he ended up missing the execution all together because he was in an alcoholic coma while cotton top was being hanged. Oh, man, same thing happened to me at Bonnaroo. Yeah. I still have slept through Pearl Jam. I still never forget myself. Likewise, a drunk Bud McCoy got aggressive and knocked the sheriff to the ground, prompting a swarm of militiamen to take him down as well. The concerning the execution itself, Kentucky had banned public hangings eight years before,
Starting point is 01:09:59 but to technically uphold the law, a fence was built around the gallows, but the gallows had been built near a hill where the hangings could easily be watched by the 7,000 people who showed up. And there's just legal guys, some of them been like, yep, nailed it. Exactly. So everybody shut your eyes. Everybody just close your eyes. We ain't doing this. Well true to form when it came to public executions. Women sold baked goods, men drank moonshine, and a good time was had by most involved. Yeah, everybody but one.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Yeah. Everybody but one guy, everybody but one guy. Was having a good time. But as the black hood was being pulled over, cotton tops had, he finally realized that he'd been had, that nobody was coming. And his last words were that the'd been had that nobody was coming and his last words were that the Hatfields had made him do it.
Starting point is 01:10:49 Days later, I'm a coy supporter delivered a package to devil ansus house that contained the rope that had been used to hang cotton top. Well, thank you. I needed a good rope. That's amazing. Obviously strong. It killed my kids. This is incredible.
Starting point is 01:11:03 True crap memory. Billy. But after the trap was pulled and caught and top was hanged, there was then the matter of what to do with the body. The Mount family couldn't afford to bring it back to West Virginia. And the Hatfields were distancing themselves as much as they could from the whole affair. So caught and top mounts was buried in the Pikeville graveyard in sight of the gallows, which soon became a local hangout where drunken hillbillies held card games and engaged in the occasional fist fight. That's fun. It's a Jim Morrison's grace. Yeah. Except his French people in each other with baguettes.
Starting point is 01:11:35 I went to Jim Morrison's grave. They've got these weird barriers around it and it's really trashy because the barriers are covered with like, you know, decals of people shitty bands. Yeah. Yeah. These are the promo spots. Yeah. Now, even though devil ants, Cap and John C. Hatfield were still technically one for the pop-all murders and the New Year's Night Massacre, the people of the Tug Valley figured good enough after cotton top was executed. The government followed suit and wanting to move on, although they had their own motivations for doing so. Yes
Starting point is 01:12:05 See the next year a man named a raytrus Fleming was elected governor of West Virginia as it happened Fleming was connected to standard oil owned by who else but John D Rockefeller John D Finally makes this fucking yeah Welcome to last podcast. We haven't gotten to John D Rockefeller yet. Yeah, and now he's in the lexical. The end of the feud you see made the tug valley far more attractive to investors. And so Kentucky and West Virginia agreed that the remaining indictments for both the Hatfields
Starting point is 01:12:36 and the McCoys would stay unenforced just so long as none of these guys restarted the feud. Yeah, you're done. You're done in that act. All right, you need this code, it's done. All right, you don't got it, Yale. It's fine, fine. Fine.
Starting point is 01:12:52 As a consequence, the Cumberland Mountain region was soon carved up by corporations who turned the formerly Bountiful Wilderness into a wasteland of railroads and coal mines. America. Oh, America. See, since the media had already inadvertently laid the groundwork for portraying the people of Appalachia as barbarians, Americans generally applauded the invasion. Yay, get the landscape.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Yay, blow up the river. Yeah. I've never tried to blow up a river. No, thanks to it. It's surprisingly flammable in West Virginia. Yay. Cool. The river's fire now.
Starting point is 01:13:30 Local politicians also welcome the corporations, because their pockets were being heavily lined at the same time that their constituents were slowly being turned into wage slaves. Wage slaves. Yeah, we did it. There was, however, a moment when it seemed like the cease fire had been all for not.
Starting point is 01:13:46 Two years after the execution of caught in top mounts, an enemy of the Hatfields named Dave Stratton was found unconscious near his house with a badly battered head and a chest that had been nearly caved in. Wait, before we jump to conclusions, maybe he did it himself. This is some form of the worst suicide I've ever seen. And he died a couple days later and almost immediately people assumed that the Hatfields have been responsible and the officials issued warrants for the arrests of devilance, Johnson and cat pat field.
Starting point is 01:14:15 Yeah, and you're like, God damn it. Finally, a person I didn't kill. It's like a upon closer inspection. It was found that Dave Stratton had simply got drunk, run over by a damn old train. You know what, I just think really should have teed his off was that his head was on the tracks. Because his heart, he should miss to get missed by a train if we're on there.
Starting point is 01:14:36 Oh, we got run over by the train, but he definitely got hit by the train. He got clipped. Yeah, he got clipped real hard. Yeah. Not too long after that, though, another McCoy turned up dead when the body of bud McCoy was found with 18 gunshot wounds near a lumberyard. I gave a four-rejunctive Closes. What if a train shot me? Dumb Steve, you get the hell out of here. That investigator. Fred, you're in. I'm not here. That investigator, Fred, you're in.
Starting point is 01:15:03 Again, everyone was quick to blame the happy olds, but Bud had actually been killed by another McCoy, pleasant McCoy. He's the most pleasant. Yeah, pleasant McCoy shot him over a personal grunt. Got you a stuff. Pleasant, if you'll remember, was the man who'd sued Randall McCoy years before, because Randall had spread a rumor that pleasant had fucked a cow. Hey! And considering how nicknames associated with events didn't stick in that area of the country.
Starting point is 01:15:29 But McCoy's murder might well have had something to do with that. You call me cow fucker McCoy one more time. Names pleasant motherfuckers. But no matter how much people wanted the feud to reignite, Cap Hatfield wrote a letter to the editor of the Wayne County News announcing that an amnesty had been declared and the so-called war spirit within himself had abated. I looked in the mirror and I declared myself innocent. The feud was finally over with the final score being seven Hatfields and 10 McCoy.
Starting point is 01:16:03 Whoa. Wow. But you said it might have been 24. I said between 12 and 10 McCoy. Whoa. Wow. Wow. But you said it might have been 24. I said between 12 and 25. Yeah. And 17's right in the middle. Right in the middle. Right in the middle.
Starting point is 01:16:12 Right in the middle. As far as what the survivors did with the rest of their lives. Oh, so now we're at the end of Animal House. Yeah. So this is the end of Animal House. Right. So the fewest quarter quarter to now it's all like, you know, so Squirrel Hut and Sam lived. Yeah., you know, squirrel hunt and Sam lived.
Starting point is 01:16:25 Yeah. Oh, yeah, squirrel hunt and Sam survived a lot of more of them lived than didn't. Squirrel hunt and Sam, I'll get into him, but he lived a long life. Hey, man, it's easy going out there, living a squirrel's life, surprisingly nutritious. Yeah. Well, Randall ran a ferry boat until he died, but made sure to complain bitterly about the Hatfields to any and all passengers who had no choice but to use his services.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Can't wait to go on vacation with all Randall McCoy. I dare you to talk about the Hatfields. We're on the ferry. Yeah. Yeah, tell you another story. You're all trying to you're on the leadodectrin. Oh, 10. 10. 10 10 He's like running the omelette station
Starting point is 01:17:11 So annoying was round on McCoy that neighbor said it was the shame that he hadn't been killed in the viewed You know sometimes honestly I wish I was Hmm-hmm Finally though Randall met his end in the year 1914 when a cooking stove caught his clothes on fire During a visit to his grandson's house. Oh, man. That was a fucking hat field Break it all this stuff. Yeah, never do. Yeah, it was alive Got you and surprise Holy shit the stove's ahead of you.
Starting point is 01:17:47 Randall died two months later of his injuries at the age of 88. Wow. Concerning scroll hunt in Sam. He wandered the country. He went to Nevada, California, but always made his way back to the tug fork valley. He married four times. Can't fucking settle down. And I have this for two of them women.
Starting point is 01:18:08 And wrote a book about the other two squirrels. And he wrote a book about the feud in the 1930s. Surprisingly, he put a lot of the blame on the McCoy's for antagonizing the Hatfield. Very interesting, but it was also a lot about acorn. He met his end, in however in 1940. See Sam never wore shoes and after a particularly cold day traipsing the wilderness, Sam's feet froze and had to be amputated. Soon after he died from complications related to the surgery.
Starting point is 01:18:39 It's real hard to hunt squirrels on stumps. It's real difficult to do it from a chair. Can you blame him? He spent 60 years hunting squirrels barefoot. Never thought about it. I guess. And at some point the circulation stops. It does.
Starting point is 01:18:54 It does. As far as the Hatfields went, Johnson was eventually captured in sentence to life in prison. But six years into the sentence, he saved the prison warden's life by cutting an inmate's throat with a pen knife. Yeah, good behavior. Good behavior. For this, he was granted parole and went on to work as a land agent for a coal company owned by John DeRoccafeller. Hey, hits keep on coming. Cap Hat field, meanwhile, died an unceremonious death from either a brain tumor or a long held bullet fragment
Starting point is 01:19:23 that eventually pushed its way into his brain. Either way, let's go. Concerning Devillands' head field, however, arguably the prime mover of the feud, he never went into town without a pistol or rifle in his hand ever again and stood with his back to a tree or a wall while constantly scanning his surroundings whenever he talked to anyone. No, he must not honestly, you know, it's traumatizing for himself. Not only that, but I mean, even after cotton top mounts was executed, like bounty hunters would show up at his place and would just start taking pot shots at the fortress to see
Starting point is 01:19:58 what like shook out. Yeah. There was even one time where a dude, bounty hunter Infiltrated the Hatfield fortress worked as a handyman there for six months waited for his moment When him devilance and this little boy the devilance taken under his wing were out hunting raccoons The little boy shot a raccoon devilance grabbed it and was like, hey, good job. Look at what he did and he turned around and the fucking dudes got a rifle pointed at him. And he says, drop the fucking raccoon. It's like, that's my raccoon. And so devilance like drop the raccoon,
Starting point is 01:20:31 brought his hands to his sides. And then like in a fucking flash, just quick draw them and just shot him in the fucking head. Yeah. Drop the dude, he put him in the four year old, buried the body where it fucking lay. And they never talked about it again. Now I'm going to tell you a little thing about calling hide in the body.
Starting point is 01:20:49 All right, it's important to apprenticeship that you learn something like this. Now we don't have any access to lime here, but normally you would smash the teeth, cut off the head, cut off the feet. And you got to pull down the teeth to the dump to teach your heart. It's fun to do. You put it in the sun. It's easy to learn. I do it for you. Wow. But that's why he was paranoid. Yes. Because you know, he people were still was he still wanted? Uh, no, that he wasn't even desired after.
Starting point is 01:21:22 Well, after cotton top mounts was executed, the warrants were still in effect for a little while. It was a bit before they finally made kind of the truce of like, all right, if you guys keep your noses clean, we're not coming after you. And it's in that period of time that, you know, the bounty was still out. So yeah, I mean, he was technically still wanted until he died. One more question. How legal is it to kill a bounty on it?
Starting point is 01:21:46 I actually, that was the verify. That's why they buried him in the fucking woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It depends on cause you could be working for the US government. Yeah, yeah, he might be under contract. Eventually though, devilance found the Lord Jesus Christ in 1911
Starting point is 01:21:59 at the age of 72. He was said to have been baptized with a pistol in his pocket. And that's cool. And he sent an offer of $10,000 to the McCoy's to withdraw the old murder indictments, some of which were almost 30 years old at this point. Incredibly though, the McCoy's refused this large sum of money, but assured devilans that they no longer sought revenge. Did you want anything from? Yeah. Yeah. No, they would have, they would have, they would have drove them crazy. Yeah. Yeah. If they took that money. Oh, revenge. Is it one of anything from? Yeah. Yeah. No, they would have, they would have, they would have drove them crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:26 If they took that money. Oh, yeah. 10 years later, devilant suffer to stroke and died at the age of 81. That's pretty old. These guys all made it a long time. Like they, they won? Uh, well, I mean, technically, uh, random McCoy had seven years on him.
Starting point is 01:22:41 Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Random McCoy was 88. It was, I'd say it's just close to a draw as you can get, except for the entire region, which absolutely lost. I'd still rather have a stroke that'd be killed by a living stove. Yes, I would definitely much rather die in my sleep of a stroke than be consumed in place.
Starting point is 01:22:57 And then spend two months. Yeah, going, wow, wow. Yeah. Now concerning the legacy of the feud, nothing in American history did more to cement the reputation of the people of Appalachia as violent, backwards, a literate hillbillies. And I think that what we have done in this series is destroy that stereotype. I think that we have finally shown that the people of Appalachia are fine. Yeah. Besides T.C. Crawford's book, 92 movies about feuding hillbillies were produced during
Starting point is 01:23:29 the silent film era, not to mention all the looney tunes portrayals. Yeah. As such, Appalachia's reputation has never really recovered. And the stereotype was given an extra layer of deviancy with the infamous squeal like a pig scene in 1972 is deliverance. And I tell you what it wasn't helped by was the show that Ed brought to my, he brought to my attention buck wild. It's a show called Buck Wilds, which was in Appalachia, MTV Jersey Shore of West Virginia. Jesus. It went a season and a half until one of the main stars
Starting point is 01:24:13 died mud yeah, I literally have carbise he's car sunken mud and he died him and his uncle and some other guy. Oh my god here's a little clip Yeah, there's paint in each other the jumping in the rivers Chain yeah, I've been known to get into a fighter to you. She went to jail. I don't know about the Justin, but you know I know about the beaver. I think Joey got out clean. Yeah, I got out clean. Well, you know, he knows about the beaver. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:38 So that kept him focused. But even though the stereotype of the Deviant hillbilly lives on, the few between the Hatfields and McCoy's has long been squashed, starting in the year 2000, descendants of the Hatfields and the McCoy's began having joint family reunions where they adorably engage in an annual tug of war across the tug fork. I think that's beautiful. It's fun. It's nice. But in 2003, three years after the union started, an official truce was declared by Descendant Rio Hatfield
Starting point is 01:25:08 who stated that the two families have put aside their differences for good in honor of 9-11. So anybody who doesn't say that 9-11 wasn't good for anything, don't say that it really helps. So that a half feels a noise with Koiski gets together
Starting point is 01:25:24 and as a unit unit attack Arabian people And that's a half feels amacois I was wondering how 9-11 was gonna get Yeah, how these fucking dickheads managed to make 9-11 about them Just in case y'all forgot You know everybody's too busy Remember 9 11 We were first fucking all over the goddamn country We were first on 11 now. How can I make 9 11 about me? How can I make something that happened in New York City about me?
Starting point is 01:26:00 Well with Virginia there was an attack of Virginia. Yes, of course. So there was a little bit, it's got to close. It's got to close. It's got to close a little bit. But it's still stupid. It was attacking a pentagon. It is weird how every person that hates New York has a twin towers painting in their house. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:26:17 No, I fucking remember that when I worked at The Onion, there was a headline that said very much the same thing as that. It's like, you know, like Toby Keith coming out with all these fucking stick-a-boot in your ass. And it's like when he wouldn't piss on New York if it was on fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, fuck every single one of them.
Starting point is 01:26:34 Well, what a wonderful tale. What a wonderful tale. It's a really important American history. Next week, we're getting into a super fun story for Christmas. Yeah. This next little series that we're doing is, it's a really fun, I love this topic. And it's gonna get real cold. Let's call this a winter wonderland.
Starting point is 01:26:56 Yeah, it's gonna get real cold. And you're not gonna be happy with it. No. Yeah, I can't wait. I'm excited. I really, really can't wait. First things first, we are experimenting with new logos. Yes. So we are putting out. So we're going to be doing like we're, you know, there are a lot of changes here, which you guys are fucking obviously aware of. And so we're going to be sort of like playing around with,
Starting point is 01:27:17 with how we kind of portrayers. Yeah, I'm gonna see what sticks. Yeah. So just so you know that, that's what you're gonna be seeing. Can we get like a snake fighting a hawk? I honestly don't mind it. I don't mind it. You can say number 34. Yeah, so we thank you guys for obviously, you know, supporting us and being there and listening all bullshit. Come out. See, Eddie and I December 22nd, we're going to be at the knitting factory in North Hollywood.
Starting point is 01:27:43 We're going to be doing classy night out. It's Christmas spectacular. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be at the knitting factory in North Hollywood. We're going to be doing classy night out. It's a Christmas spectacular. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be great. We got all the people from LPM that are in town are going to be there. It's going to be so much. It's basically a reason for us to all hang out. That's basically what we're doing.
Starting point is 01:27:53 We can't wait. Also tonight and tomorrow, if you're in Florida, I'm all over the place. I'm in West Palm, open for Jeff Ross, and I'm in Boca Raton doing my own thing. Well, not my own thing with Brian Kylie,, but it's gonna be a lot of fun. So Boca Raton at 8 p.m. West Palm at 7 and 9.45. I'm a fucking lunatic. Yes I'm gonna be driving all over South Florida and then I'm going to Dolphins game on Monday. That's good Yeah, so fucking I can't wait. I'm so excited. You're gonna you deserve it and it's gonna be fun as hell I am don't get no fight. Oh never never way with me Don't you get a new fight if I see him a corner We found his house. I am. And don't get no fight. Oh, never, never. Where would you be?
Starting point is 01:28:25 Don't get a new fight if I see him a corner. I knew. Ah! Where? And also, check out the Christmas puttacular. We're doing it. We're putting the family back in Christmas, Jackie and I are doing our good putt Christmas special
Starting point is 01:28:41 December 14th. You're going to be amazed. You're going to learn lessons. We're all going to be share in the warmth of the holiday eating savory pudding. There's an all gonna like it. Yeah, there's an all gonna like it. On OPM TV.
Starting point is 01:28:53 Yeah, Twitch. On Twitch.tv slash LPM TV, 5PM PSD, you guys are all gonna get to experience some of the Christmas joy and I can't wait for you guys to be there for Eddie. Marcus, you're gonna be there. I love to. I mean, what kind of putting am I gonna get to try? You'll see.
Starting point is 01:29:09 You're gonna see. Well, I mean, Christmas for me equals ham. I don't know. So that that is one thing that I love, but also sugar cookies. Who knows? So that's also that's also very good. Who knows? It's gonna come out because it's a little sequit. Very nice. Elgi. Hey, Elsi. Help me. That's also very good who knows it's gonna come out because it's a little secret Elgi, hey, I'll say help me
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