Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 569: Herb Baumeister Part II - The Haunting at Fox Hollow Farm

Episode Date: April 6, 2024

The boys close out the story of Herb Baumeister, this week focusing on the paranormal investigations and ongoing hauntings reported at Fox Hollow Farm, the former home of the now-deceased serial killer.

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Why, fuck your glade. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Oh, shit! Oh, shit! Oh. Bro! What?

Bro, hey! Yo! Bro, there's a lot of negative energy in here,. Yeah, I got a few this like a fucking Second let me straight up ask him. Let me ask him. Hey, mr. Bowmeister. Yeah. Whoa Hey Fucking crazy Yeah, man, let me ask you something you ever thought about killing a man This is fucking crazy! He's fucking on the grave bro! Bro dude! Yeah man, let me ask you something. You ever thought about killing a man?

You know bro, not to like, was like in this situation and then I think about how like this pool, the way it's like all set out and shit the first thing I think in my head is homosexual homicide Yeah man, yeah. And guess what, best part? No lifeguard. Whoa, yay dude, just death guards! Fuck yeah dude! Yeah, man. Yeah, and guess what best part no lifeguard Are you a demon or were you one? Oh, no, no, man, I just fucking hate vagina Welcome to last podcast on the left ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with ghost bro. Henry'srowski What's going on bro? Best not be a pilter guys messing with my daughter dude Hahahaha

And Ed Larson hello Ed How you doing? I'm doing good What's going on man? I didn't realize that this was going to get so spooky Yeah man I just thought it was going to be horrible and disgusting

I wish I didn't really know that we were going from horrible disgusting to straight spokes Yeah, man. This is the haunting at Fox Hollow Farm This is gonna be act I believe the first time that we've ever actually covered like a serial killer haunting like a serial killer who is also a ghost I Possibly I love it. I do love it I mean not that what happened to get to it No, but I love the situation that we're now in it is a phenomenal story

We actually brought this up and I want to find more evidence of this I have scoured the internet and I have found no evidence of hauntings in Nazi Germany like a post Nazi Germany like now like in Downtown Berlin. I've never really understood why we're headed there. We have talked about like Nazi ghosts and why there aren't Nazi ghosts. Where are the Nazi ghosts? In the souls of the German people. Oh, wow! Got you, Merkel!

You big-titted animal! They try, they deal with it all the time. They're trying real hard. Oh, man, I always wanted to have a Nuremberg, but I hear they're delicious. I won't allow it. So one thing I wanted to have a Nuremberg, but I hear they're delicious. I won't allow it. I won't allow it. So one thing I wanted to address before we get

into the actual spooky part of the episode is that I asked a couple questions last week about Herb Baumeister's lifestyle, and I actually got a very interesting answer back, so I wanted to talk about it, which was I asked the question, why was it so possible for people like Jeffrey Dahmer, these kind of really awkward weirdos

that were basically walking red flags, how do they get laid so much? How do they get so much tail? How do they bring these guys back to their homes? And I got a really interesting answer about how at the time, you gotta remember, half these guys that were at these gay clubs were in the closet

Oh, yeah And so they were experiencing gay culture a lot of times for the very first time and so more often than not These a lot of these areas like these gay bars gay clubs were filled with guys Just like her Baumeister and one letter I got back said that her grandfather, right? Literally just said straight up, she approved that he would talk about this, but he said it was his fucking yummy, that was his favorite. He loved an inexperienced dude that was literally fresh out the box from being straight. Yeah, breaking them.

Breaking them in, not breaking breaking them the breaking them sounds horrible Sometimes you just get your dick sucked in the back of a pinto Yeah, which is you know, it's nice if you're you just used to your fucking wife She doesn't know what she's doing with it And so the her bowmeister was probably kind of like a hot commodity in this world. And because they're also, like, because there were so much, like, they were getting attacked as a marginalized group.

They also liked the idea of creating a supportive environment. You are new to this culture, and I can't wait to show you all of these things about our culture. So that's kind of why a lot of these weirdos would get their dick sucked, which is important to remember. And's kind of why a lot of these weirdos would get their dick sucked, which is important to remember.

Yeah. And that actually does take a lot of bravery and to still be, have that welcoming environment in a town like Indianapolis at a time when gay men are going missing constantly and you have no idea who the fuck it is, but still welcoming everybody in. It's like, well, you know, fuck it. We can't let a couple of bad apples spoil this good time. No, man. Slim pickings. There is. But also, one other factor I want to add to Herb Baumeister's story is about the videotapes.

Now his videotapes, we know that when he was pulled over, when they found him sleeping in the car. When the Canadian came and woke him up and said, move it on here. What you want to do is you want to go down the road and actually get a hotel. What you're going to want to do is get a hotel go down the road and actually get up you actually want to get a hotel Get a hotel because here under the freeway. This is a bad place for a man to sleep You're not gonna get a good night's sleep horse is gonna start pissing He had these tapes we know that he got rid of the tapes you dumped them somewhere We do believe he probably filmed a lot of his murders.

But there needs to be some research into the connections of Herb Baumeister, Dean Coral, John Wayne Gacy, and their net of child pornography, like they went snuff film industry. They were all a part of something. Dean Coral and John Wayne Gacy might've known each other. They might've known each other.

Or known of each other. But there is no evidence in any way whatsoever that her bowmaster had any connection to John Wayne Gacy or Dean Correll or any sort of criminal ring. I'm saying let's find some, if there is some. I would like to know. Because there was a man named John Norman that connects all of these, who was like the,

what I said before, he was the essentially, he was a big producer. He was the Harvey Weinstein of child pornography sure and so he thought Harvey Weinstein was the Harvey Weinstein an older lady so there was this guy that kind of like that's what he would do is that he was creating this networks of snuff films and selling them around the country through catalogs and Dean Corl's victims actually appeared in some of these videos so we know that

he was supplying videos, a lot of weird shit's going on. I just find it to be very mysterious. I didn't even breach the conversation 20 years ago. Now we know the deep dark web exists and shit exists, but 20 years ago, how do you like, so looking for a tape. Hey. You know, like, what is that? Listen, I see here in your video store,

porcelain, thank you, there seems to be a lot of dills here. I'm looking for a gherkin. And so one of my favorite lines from a Murder Fist sketch is like, yeah, you know, porno's pretty expensive. What with all the kids and all? All right, now we're back to spooky. Because that was more questions. You know porno is pretty expensive. What with all the kids and all All right now we're back to spooky Yeah now as far as I can tell from my own meager

understanding of serial killers the majority do not commit their murders and dispose of the corpses in their own homes Ramirez Raider Bundy Ridgeway and Berkowitz all of these guys had games that only worked in the external world. But there is a smaller subset of serial killers who make their home their own personal slaughterhouse, torture chamber, and graveyard. Dahmer, Gacy, Nelson, and of course Herb Baumeister all got off on doing everything from killing to disposal within the confines of their property or apartment. The apartment of course made it far more difficult, but they pulled it off for a little while. Longer than you think they would.

It's weird how long you can kill and dispose of corpses within an apartment. I think it's because I have a theory that supers don't exist. Or they're not even that super. No, no, no, they're not even that super or they're extremely lazy in the case of Dahmer where he's like Dahmer this is your whole apartment smells like my fish died. All right. Yeah. Eat it up. And with Dennis Nelson, that was just plain British politeness. Gone. British politeness gone mad. Gone toxic. Gone mad. I mean I live in an apartment building right now and I fucking ain't talking to any of

my neighbors. All I know is I couldn't flush a thick shit down my apartment toilet. I don't know how we're putting gay dudes down there. But as I mentioned last episode, I've always wondered whether those places ever show signs of paranormal activity, especially considering how many ghost stories revolve around murder. Most of the locations, however, like Gacy's house and Dahmer's apartment complex, were demolished after their crimes were discovered. Yeah, we didn't even get to their haunted real estate.

But wouldn't the ground be sour, like in Pet Sematary? No, I think it depends on how you dispose of your victims. Okay. Well, in the cases of both Dahmer and Gacy, those domiciles, they were still in working order. I mean, you'd have to replace the floorboards at Gacy's house, but someone could have done it. Well, you'd have to dig up the ground.

Yeah. You'd have to dig up underneath because that was where they all were. The blood seeped in. No, they were all buried under the house. Well, they did demolish the house. I don't know how deep they dug to make sure there were no body parts left in there. But yes, someone did build a house on top of Desi's property. Well, if I know anything about state construction projects, I know that they are thorough. I know they hire only the best, most expensive people.

And I know that, yeah, they're always making sure it's done with all the I's crossed and all the T's dotted. That's right. Make them all Pier 1 imports. I know they're gone, but let's bring them back. Let's bring them back! Retrofit some of our more interesting homicide locations. It could be the ghosts of a Pier 1 import. You know, it's like, oh man, is that a wicker chair? And then it evaporates, you sit down and shit. What the fuck? I'm sick of all these fucking wicker-ass base ghost pranks, bro! You sit down Always feel bad for the people who got kicked out of Dahmer's apartment building so they could tear that thing down Oh, yeah, they didn't people were put out. Do you think they were given money? No, man

They might have been maybe like a pittance. I would say a pittance for losing your home. Yeah It's why Dahmer moved there in the first place is because it was in a disenfranchised part of Milwaukee to begin with so everybody that was there are they the the state didn't care about it Well, that's what we you know That's what we've said before is that Dahmer moved there So just so he could be the only white guy in a black neighborhood because there the cops protected him Like they saw him they saw Dahmer as the guy that needed to be protected and so he was hiding in plain sight But in the case of her bow meister's house someone actually took his dilapidated piss-soaked mansion and remodeled it from the ground up even keeping the indoor pool

Exactly as it was when herb killed so many dozens of men there in the early to mid 90s I saw footage of it and They have a fucking basketball hoop at the front of the pool. Yeah, man. No, they're having a ton of fun in there. Phantom basketballs keep getting dunked into it. I'm going to go, it's bordering on irresponsible. How original the pool house is.

I feel like they could have redone the tile. There wasn't a lot you could do with that though. Dude, fucking 25 men were asphyxiated and came to death in that pool. I think that we could throw a rug. I think that we could do some cement. I think that we could do, there's something in there that we could,

you know, and with all those gay ghosts, it's gotta be easy to redecorate. No, unfortunately. They're moving stuff around. They're judging you. Yeah, you get fucking constantly harassed about your color palette. Oh my God, what if Zack Baggins had a queer eye?

That's incorrect, I mean, let's get there, but that's a great idea. Yeah, those ghosts all flipped him. Teach him about the French tuck. Yo, Brass, listen, I know it's like totally out of the norm or whatever, but what do you think of my teal shirt? Yeah, I try and colors now. I listen to Alan. Yeah, I try and colors now. I listen to Alan. Well them remodeling Herb's entire house from the ground up, that might be why the house itself and the surrounding property is the scene of a well documented and honestly quite

compelling haunting. This haunting was extensively chronicled in the book Horror at Fox Hollow Farm by Richard Estep and Robert Graves, which is our main source for today's episode. If I was you too, I would go look up. Obviously the Ghost Adventures episode with Zach Baggins is, it is entertaining. It is very entertaining. My God, that show should be fucking 16 minutes. Bro! Not an energy in here bro! Wait a second, what's that? Nah, I farted. I thought I could understand there was kind of a celestial sort of structure on the night vision here And the temperature gauges it was just my fart You're gonna have to go Bonzo

It's just I have never watched that many episodes of ghost adventures and the way they cut back that many episodes of Ghost Adventures and the way they cut back to foot to statement said before to repeat the exact thing that they just said like sex for example, man in the red shirt was right here. And they got some men in a red shirt was right here. Now we may be talking about the most prolific American serial killer of all time. I think he may have been the most prolific American serial killer of all time. That's because, unfortunately, sometimes the audience doesn't pay attention. Yeah, you never watch Shark Week.

They do the same shit all the time, you know? It's all Discovery Channel crap. Yeah, but then I get to see sharks again, and that's fine. Yeah, sharks are cool, but I like ghosts. I like smudges. I like his glasses. I like Zack Magans' look. Now, now who's having the adventures him or the ghosts? Absolutely and the ghosts do not like him there, but the documentary I would recommend is the haunting of Fox Hollow Farm

It is legitimately scary. This is this entire haunting story is Legitimately very creepy to me now in in 2008, a normal, albeit wealthy man named Robert Graves purchased Fox Hollow Farm with his wife Vicki and their two young sons. The mansion had been sitting empty for five years and it was in even worse shape than it was when Herb died. And when I say mansion, I mean mansion. Oh yeah.

This place is massive. It's beautiful. It actually reminds me a little bit of what Neverland looked like Same Tudor because it was a Tudor house. Yeah, they think neverland was a Tudor mansion same style Yeah, but it didn't have the grandma wallpaper that Neverland had No, no bubbles except for in the pool. Bubbles would have stopped all this shit. Give him a cop hat. This would have ended in two seconds.

I don't know, if you teach bubbles how great it is to come while getting choked. He does like to eat lips. It's a beautiful house, but this guy is very funny. Did you read the actual, I was reading through the book, and Robert Graves, he's like, now I have people know about me I'm a horseman my wife's a horsewoman most people call us horse people and what people don't know about horse people is that it's every horseman's dream that he would look out what drinking a cup of coffee in his kitchen and look out the window and see his beloved horses and that's what he saw when he went to Fox Hollow Farms.

He was just like, oh, horses can live everywhere. Yeah, there's a horse living room right here. Here's a horse dining room. Here's a horse bathroom. A horse swimming pool. When you see their house, it is full of like horse memorabilia, like horse paintings, horse statu... or not statues, horse sculptures. And they do have a beautiful little the horse paintings, horse stat, or not statues, the horse sculptures.

And they do have a beautiful little, you know, horse stable that they realize their dream. It's beautiful. And they held on to this fucking place. I think they still live there. Yes, it's the same family. Yeah. They've been living there for God. I mean, almost 20 years now.

Imagine if you loved horses so much that you lived in a place which just haunts you Well since the previous owners accepted an offer well under the asking price of $2.8 million, the Graves family spent the extra money on remodeling the mansion completely to restore it to its former glory. That's before Herb ruined it with his hoarding and murder most foul. Yeah, he did ruin the house in that way. And the raccoon piss. The raccoon piss.

The raccoons technically ruined the house. Yeah. He more ruined the vibe. Yeah, yeah. Well, the raccoons made it better for raccoons. Yeah, of course. That's true. They made the vibe better for raccoons technically ruined the house. Yeah. He more ruined the vibe. Yeah, yeah. Well, the raccoons made it better for raccoons. Yeah, of course. True, that's true. They made the vibe better for raccoons.

Perspective, yeah, it's all about perspective. Now, Robert and his wife were informed of the full history of the house the first time they toured the home, but they weren't told of any paranormal activity. In fact, it was probably not known that there was paranormal activity because the previous owner had never actually lived there and had only ended up owning the property in what he said was a real estate deal gone wrong.

I just think he meant that he had to buy that house at an extreme loss and then lost money again when they negotiated for three years, which is what the Graves did. Very, very importantly, because they were like, no one's buying this house. And they were like, they knew no one's buying this house. No one's coming for this house, so they paid basically just market value for the land. We have to live here, our last name is Graves. Yes, I need to be next to some. And they are the most normal fucking people you can imagine.

Yeah, just like our horses, and honestly, I like the skeletons. Sometimes the bread goes missing, who cares? Who cares, no breakfast. No, Robert wasn't really a believer in the paranormal, I like the skeleton. Sometimes the bread goes missing, who cares? No breakfast. No, Robert wasn't really a believer in the paranormal and his wife was in fact a full skeptic because she came from a scientific background.

She was a pathologist. Neither one of them were squeamish either. So they decided that Fox Hollow Farm was just the fixer-upper they wanted and the perfect home for their beloved horses. I just want to make sure that the horses are okay. the fixer-upper they wanted and the perfect home for their beloved horses. Eddietunns Available for bookings Now the paranormal activity started as it usually does in small increments The first odd occurrence came when Vicki was vacuuming and the cord was suddenly pulled out of the socket

She plugged it back in but actually watched as it flew out again on its own As if it was tugged by someone or something Stay dirty bitch Now even though Vicky was as I said a skeptic this was too weird to ignore and she said that she suddenly got the strong Sense that she wasn't alone in the house and whatever it was that was there with her Didn't want her to stay and all she heard was the sounds of Could that be perp yes, I was her belating a horse Now a few months after the renovations were finished Robert and Vickiicky invited a friend, Joe LeBlanc, to rent the apartment above the garage like so much Fonzie.

But he wasn't... he was more a Ron Howard than a Fonzie. That is true. I would say he was a bit more of a Potsie. Yes. Oh yes. Well like Robert and Vicky, the history of the home didn't bother Joe at all. Oh wow! The first thing he heard, as square foot garage that's beautiful. It was huge I was just living in a trash can It was a massive it was a 4,000 square foot garage that's beautiful. It was huge It's great, but in Joe's first night in the apartment He had a horribly vivid nightmare in the dream Joe said that he was running through the woods behind the house Convinced that something terrible and extremely dangerous was chasing him when he woke up. He was

Get my rhythm going when you're fucking doing that When Joe woke up he was still in flight mode, so his body involuntarily leapt out of bed and he slammed into a door frame. After that, residents of the house claimed to have started seeing literal full torso vapors like the librarian in Ghostbusters. Your whole plan was get her? One afternoon, Vicki saw a young man that she thought was a trespasser walking through the trees, wearing a bright red t-shirt and jeans. Don't you take up any room for our horses! You can't come in here! That's a horse's lawn!

She couldn't make out the face, but she kept watching as this apparition walked through the woods. Soon she realized that there was nothing but empty air from the thighs down. The man in the red shirt had no legs, but before Vicky could say anything, he disappeared. That's what my dad's ghost looks like Lost his leg. It's funny is that his legs are their own ghost. Yeah, they're holding other town. That's cute Still in Reno. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, he can't leave Reno. No, no one no one can leave Reno unfortunately That's a big gate on the town leave Reno unfortunately. There's a big gate on the town. About a month later, Joe, the guy who rented the apartment above the garage, saw the same

apparition, except he saw him at night. See, Joe had a dog named Fred, and they'd go on nightly walks together in the woods behind the house, the same woods where her bow-meister had burned dozens of corpses and spread their bones. I know I would, but like, can you just imagine a regular person just doing this? Like, this is not cute. I mean, most- Like, the story's not cute. It was like, literal boneyard.

I mean, I know from our live shows, most of our listeners are just regular people. I know. Yeah. I love cemeteries, I love boneyards. Yeah, dogs love bones too. Don't fucking take that away from them. Friends having a great time. But it's bad for their teeth I know I love cemeteries. I love boneyards dogs of bones to Have it a great time But it's bad for their teeth if they break they snap into a human bone to be bad and the fragments will go down their Throat it's actually bad for well unless if they were cooked they would be yeah

More burnt that tension yeah, that's actually very true. Yeah, they were cooked. Yeah, they were cooked. They were roasted Dog eat that split juice in his belly don't let Rambo go out there he'll eat the fuck out of those bones if we want to find more victims of her bowmeister we should take Rambo out there I mean he can't walk too good so we gotta use the wagon yeah we use the wagon

you know what I caught Frankie eating the other day? what? a rock yeah buddy dogs love rocks yeah dogs love rocks anything to make you question. Yeah your whole life Here's a little tip for you dog owners if you're walking your dog, and it really wants something that means it's gonna kill it Is that I'm not worried about going in and seeing Wendy like with a big like Blueprints of her school and a bunch of scopes yeah Yeah, that's nice.

Yeah, the other thing is if like the dog dies, I don't go to prison. Depends on what you did to it, what happened. Depends on how the dog dies. Well, that night, the night that Joe saw the apparition, he heard something moving around in the trees. And Fred took off in a sprint towards the sound. That's when Joe saw the man with the transparent legs

moving through the woods. Joe, who was now highly creeped out, mustered up the courage to walk into the woods to look for his dog. But when he swung his flashlight behind him towards a noise, he found himself no more than 20 paces from the man in red. That's when Joe ran, and luckily, Fred was right behind him.

That experience however didn't stop Joe from running the deer trails at night because as time went on Joe seemed to have become strangely comfortable or at least familiar with the spirit world. Yeah, these guys don't say anything about my personal hygiene, they don't say anything about my attitude or my aggressive style of playing risk. Or the fact that I live above a haunted garage. There's a lot of people that seem to be deterred by the many birds underneath my rented apartment. But to them I say, fi, I am a lover of men and women. Bang.

To the point of Joe being comfortable with the darkness, he didn't stop running at night. You could just see him being like, yeah, me and the ghosts, my only friends, hanging out here amongst the bushes, just like the slippery slingsnakes of the night. Oh, I gotta go get the milk for the graves. Well, Joe didn't stop running at night, even after he saw a tall, thin, dark figure, blacker than black moving in an inhuman way from tree to tree meanwhile joe's apartment was showing classic signs of a poltergeist infestation during his first week he was at the kitchen sink when he heard a knock at

the door thinking it was robert or vicki joe called could you stop fucking doing the Joe called could you stop fucking doing the Trying to tell a story you're sitting there slurping on a goddamn half empty ice Well thinking it was Robert or Vicky Joe called out that he'd be right there. The banging, however, grew louder and more persistent and Joe's dog, Fred, started growling. But when Joe opened the door, no one was there, but he felt as if he'd let something in. He then sat down to watch TV and saw a flash of movement behind him, but again, nothing was there.

Honestly, I'm not even scared. I'm just lonely. You could be a demon like Mr. Beg and said you might be, but even I'll take it, buddy. If we could just sit and maybe talk about this week's Top Chef. Anybody, anything, you know. Now, Robert Graves, the owner of the property, wanted to get on top of the situation, presumably to see if there was some maniac wandering his property, hassling his wife and his friend Joe. So he covered both the outside of the house and the apartment with cameras, but no human being was ever seen. Now, even though Joe knew that the woods were a place of spiritual horrors,

he wasn't prepared when he ran across something very real. After a walk with Fred during the day, Joe returned to the house and announced that he'd found something in the woods. Hey, yeah, I think I found something pretty curious out there. It was, without a doubt, an 18-inch long human bone. It was without a doubt an 18 inch long human bone. It was a femur, the largest bone in the body, still a femur out there. The cops didn't find it? Nobody found it.

Well, I mean, I'll get to it here and I'll tell you what happened. Robert Graves had been given instructions on what to do when he found bones in the woods, because even though thousands have been taken from the site already, investigators knew Robert Graves had been given instructions on what to do when he found bones in the woods. Because even though thousands had been taken from the site already, investigators knew that it would be a fool's errand to try and find all of them. It's 16 acres. Yeah, dude. He definitely murdered more than the 11 people that they charged him with.

They thought that they found on the grounds. There's a lot of people. Well, sources also vary wildly as to how many different bodies have been identified. Some say 11, some say 32, some say 25. It's fucking, it's nuts. It's all over the place. It's true crime. What do you want? What are you going to expect? There's no fucking fact in this goddamn business. I do wish that there was closure for some of the families that had people that went missing, but what are you going to do? Yeah, it's very difficult. How about crime stories? Call it that. Instead of true crime?

No, no, crime tales. And then it could also be about dogs. Yeah. Well, considering how they were still finding fully intact femurs as late as 2008, it's over a decade after the cops discovered the boneyard. It's almost guaranteed that there are plenty of human remains in those woods that are yet to be discovered almost 30 years later Guarantee you there are bones still out there

In fact as Robert Graves put it in an interview if you spend enough time back there You could find bones in those woods on a near constant basis Yeah, I mean it's thousands of bones before they're broken up. Yeah. How many bones in the body? 300 some odd. 597. Drunk. No. No. I think it's 342. Yeah this is the fact that you got a jam in your brain. I think what's important about this is that 206. It holds up the show. I think that it's important. Yeah, but if you smash it up, yeah, it immediately becomes a thousand thirty. Yeah, exactly. I was a physical anthropology minor for like a year.

Jesus. Yeah. Well, you didn't finish. Well, it was 20 years. It was 20 years ago. I don't know numbers. And what was that one where like, this are, these are bones. This is a drum.

This is an old egg. This is a hat. It was the class I was in when 9-11 happened.. Lots of bones in 9-eleven. That's true. Yep. Never mentioned. In class. Well When it came to- Just a Tuesday. Just a beautiful Tuesday. When it came to protocol, Robert Graves called up the Forensic Anthropology Department at the University of Indiana, the home of the Bone Twins.

Yes! My most prized student! He brought the femur to their lab, and they determined that it had been in the the ground for 15 years and had been brought to the surface by either weather or wildlife. I didn't dig it up at all! It wasn't me! That's for certain! Certainly not trying to make a soup for free! Now at the same time that tangible horrors were being unearthed at Fox Hollow Farm, poltergeist activity was continuing to plague Joe's apartment above the garage. Love that movie. Poltergeist? Joe's apartment? Joe's apartment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poltergeist.

Not a bunch of roaches talking, they're poltergeist. One night, he was again woken up by something knocking on the outside door, so intensely that the door shook with each impact and rattled the hinges. When Joe opened the door, he was shocked to see that the knocker was being held up by some force at a 90 degree angle and Joe watched as it lifted itself up to its top most position and slammed down one last time. I like a good flopping knocker. After closing the door and getting back to bed Joe heard his squeaky doorknob turn but it stopped the moment he got to his feet. For a moment all was still but the door then flew open and a strong gust of air blew leaves

into Joe's apartment on what had previously been a perfectly still and calm night Then out of nowhere a man appeared in the darkness Man I really wanted you like a scary episode like I really wanted you like a scary I didn't say that really creeps people out. No, I didn't say that this How does no? Well out of nowhere a man appeared in the darkness an apparition different from the one seen in the woods This one as opposed to the casual nature of the man in red had an expression of absolute terror and panic as it was running from something Joe couldn't see. The ghost then disappeared leaving Joe in a similar state of terror. Not too long after Joe watched some old

press footage of the murders at Fox Hollow Farm with Robert Graves and Vicki they were curious. Yeah now is a good time to do it after everyone's moved in after you've purchased the property. and when the pictures of the known victims were shown Joe jumped out of his seat in a panic. Holy banana shit Staring back at him from the TV screen was the exact face he'd seen that night in his apartment But for Joe the greatest horror came in where else but the pool room. Supposed to be for relaxation. No, they all did relax to a deadly point. One evening, Joe, Robert's kids, and one of Joe's friends were having a dip in the

pool. God, you let your kids go in the pool. Like it's just so wild to me. There's chemicals in there it's fine. It's not about that I'm not even starting it's not the ickiness of gay dudes it's death it's the actual specter of many deaths. Yeah many many deaths. They should have turned it into like a greenhouse for weed or something. That would have been cool. They should have leveled the whole thing to the ground and started over. It's a nice house. It's a really nice house that's wasteful I would have bought it yeah see now Joe was resting on the pool's edge when he felt a set of warm fingers close around his neck from

behind snaking around his chin in a way that he described as almost sensuous really could use some physical contact this is incredibly good for me. I gotta say Joe is a very with it together dude. I saw an interview with him like he's a very normal guy. He's just fucking living his life like he's very confident man. I'm a normal drifter that lives above an apartment that lives in your apartment above a haunted horse farm boy murder location. It was an extraordinarily nice apartment. He was one of Robert's coworkers. Like he, the man like appeared in ghost adventures and like a soup, a really nice suit. Anybody can get a suit. He's with it. They do sell them to anybody though. That is true. Anybody can buy a suit. It's not necessarily

Yeah, but still if you're really really fat sometimes is harder. Yeah Now Joe thought the hands belonged to his buddy just a little good-natured horse play But when he looked behind him, he saw that both his friend and the grave's siblings were at least 20 feet away both his friend and the grave's siblings were at least 20 feet away. Again creeped out, Joe swam to the middle of the pool where the ghostly hands again locked themselves around his neck, this time with a near deadly force. Joe felt himself being dragged beneath the water,

but when he tried prying the invisible hands off his throat, he found nothing to grab hold of. Suddenly the force let go, so Joe swam back to the top and screamed for everyone to get out of the pool and stay out of the pool. Get out of the pool! Fish out of the water! Fish out of the pool! Get out of the pool! Everybody, there were soft hands strangling me in the water, and yes, I maybe should not have worn my turtleneck into the pool. Reportedly, Joe would get extremely upset just retelling the story because it was the most frightening thing to ever happen to him.

And suffice to say, Joe never stepped foot in the pool room ever again. But that didn't end Joe's haunting. Not too long after, Joe was sitting at his computer in his apartment when he heard a scraping noise coming from the kitchen. Must be a bunch of chickens or something. What's he, some chickens? We've got horses, now we've got chickens? What else am I gonna have to deal with in this god damn place? This is, I am in the center of a madhouse! How am I supposed to do these horses taxes? How am I supposed to do these horse's taxes? How the hell am I supposed to get on these horse's taxes when there's this much paranormal

activity going on? When he went to investigate, he saw that all of his knives had been removed from their block and were laid out in a row in the sink. When he turned behind him, he saw gouges cut in the wall as if someone had sliced it with a knife This led Joe to believe that Herb had probably stabbed someone to death in the apartment But there's no way to know for sure if that actually happened Yeah, because the but all the bones none of the bodies are recovered all the bones were so crushed and burned You couldn't tell me no one knows. Yeah, there wasn't a full-on

We couldn't tell the methodology of each one of his victims, but we do know that for a little while, Herb Baumeister did live in that apartment when his wife kicked him out. When they were getting a divorce, he moved into that apartment. It would have been a good place to kill people. Yes, that was his bachelor, and the house was big enough that he probably could have people in that apartment without her knowing that he had people in the apartment. So did Joe switch to plastic cutlery or? Well, it's a go food.

It's actually bad for the environment. But good for not getting stabbed by a ghost. Now like most people, Joe had seen a couple of Paranormal Investigation shows. So he dug out a voice recorder and did his own impromptu EVP session. After turning off all mechanical and electrical devices, he turned on the recorder and started asking questions. After a few minutes, Fred the dog started growling, as he often did when things were about to get hairy.

Joe said that he felt a presence in the room. Then after he asked a few more questions he stopped the recording and listened back. Shockingly after he asked the question of who was with him he heard a muffled yet clearly male voice that was not his own say, the married one. Whoa! Cool! And since no married victims were ever identified Joe became convinced that his apartment was haunted by none other Than the ghost of her bow meister. Hey Joe Watching your shit

Me it's all choky McGee Mr. Herbie not to sound like an idiot, but didn't he die in Canada? Yeah. You're not sounding like an idiot at all. Trust me, you're asking a very rational question. Well, think about it. If you had this many intense psychic experiences like murdering people in a home, it's different. In every other serial killer case that we've kind of covered about serial killer locations, it's true. The majority of them, the grand majority of them have been torn down Yeah, and so we don't really have a lot of records if this happens more often than not

But this is like if you were gonna create a ghost factory Her baumeister was really good at that. Like that is like a thing that you would do and that he was such a How do you put it like like with Guy and these types of places, that home was him in many ways. Well I would say more the woods and the pool room in the woods were his areas, which are funny that these you know because pools and woods... They're liminal spaces that you call that. Yeah, blank areas. Yeah. No it could be hypotheticals obviously. Couldn't it be a victim trying to get revenge We're just trying to communicate if you believe in the concept of intelligent hauntings that they're trying to communicate that something bad happened to them

Into this in this apartment. Yeah, and there's also the possibility that it might be none of the above. Yeah Grover Cleveland The dog Fred's a homophobe. Now it could be that Herp had killed a closeted married man. Remember, you know, he heard the EVP that said the married one. And it also might be that the voice said the merry one. Oh, so he was the funny guy. Yeah. Well, the spirit might have had once had a sunny disposition Yeah, and gay is a synonym for Mary. That is my mom That was the euphemism my mom used to use when I was a boy

She used to say about people that were gay that they were happy and light-hearted. Oh, wow Well, either way Joe is now that's very cold. Yeah, it was code for Yeah. Yeah. But still, I mean, seems like it's progressive in a way. It's fine. It's you could have said something way worse. Oh, yeah. But either way, Joe was now absolutely convinced that he shared an apartment with a spirit. Now, before long, who else should catch wind of the haunting at Fox Hollow Farm then Ghost Adventures host Zach Baggins

Now Zach Baggins, he loves Baggins, excuse me, Baggins, it's Baggins He wanted this was this is catnip Zach Baggins my god. Yeah after the family readily agreed to host an episode Zach and his crew of Ghost Bros arrived and started yelling at the spirits and taking every single thing anyone said and Extrapolating with abandon as is their want. Oh my god. I got another untrackable construct here in the it's on the light machine I farted again We gotta make these things less sensitive bro

Too much sausage in Indianapolis What am I gonna do bro? I'm fucking living off the road dude Alright, we know the room service and want a burger for What am I gonna do, bro? I'm fucking living off the road, dad. All right, we know that the room service won a burger for the last fucking three days, bro. You want this fucking, you want this game reset up, Zach? Well, according to the family though, and this is fun, what they were most excited about

was that one of their sons was able to play a dark spirit in one of the dramatized reenactments, which is a request I'd absolutely make. If I was ever on one of those shows. Oh, I play her. Yeah, I play her. I wanted to be a reenactor so bad. I know we talked about my God.

I mean, the best reenactments in all the true crap and fatal vows. You got to watch Fatal Vowel. This before it's just absolutely incredible. They've got the best reenactments out there. They're ridiculous and nobody's attractive. Zach Bagan suggested that Robert Graves had a deep connection to her bow-meister, which isn't the nicest thing to say to someone. Robert said, Yeah, you and her, no lot of life, huh? Deep, deep, I'm feeling a deep connection between you. You guys are like brothers from another mother, right?

Robert said that he certainly felt a presence, but while he respected Zach's opinion, they would have to agree to disagree about this certain point. I think it's because Robert Graves became obsessed with her Baumeister on his own. Sure. Because Robert Graves became obsessed with her bow meister on his own and started researching the story of her bow meister and that In the book he wrote the sections about her bow meister Yeah Now the first thing the ghost adventures crew recorded once their investigation began following all the interviews was a loud bang Coming from the empty pool room The what? Check the pool noodles bro, check it

for vibes! Alright, Gordon the vibe detector is fucking, the noodle vibes harsh. It's harsh in here though. Zach claimed that at that moment he saw a white mist coming from a room adjacent to the pool and when the audio wased, they heard what they called a class A EVP, a voice asking for help. Yeah, one like, help, help. Next, Bagans used a spirit box, the thing that quickly scans through radio stations to see if any messages from beyond

can be discerned from the garble. Cool. Yeah, when they asked the spirit its name, it only responded with, I'm dead. Yeah, fuckin' asked the spirit its name it only responded with I'm dead. Yeah fucking cool All right, yeah when asked to kill them it said I don't know. Holy fucking shit. We got a confused I'm dead. I'm Ed. I'm at it could have been someone who killed they met interesting It might have been interesting or Fred the dog Consciousness talking through the machine that would be incredible because the next thing you would probably say is like, uh, can I have some chicken?

What if this whole time spirit boxes were just picking up the brain of the fucking nearest dog? I just fucking turn the entire paranormal world inside out. You know, fucking dogs can think and they're haunting our hotels. But finally, when asked how many men herb had killed in the house, they heard the spirit box say, Herb did it. Herb did it.

Herb did it. He's like, I don't know. I didn't fucking kill anybody. I was killed. Yeah, dude. Quit coming at me, bro. Zach then claimed to feel a heavy pressure pushing down on his chest and his heart rate increased dramatically.

It was sort of... Sausages. Yeah. I mean, again, it's harder to read the road. Next, the team took the spirit box out to the woods where they heard a voice say, I'm here. When asked where here was, the voice said,

In the middle. Once the crew found the spot that could reasonably be considered the middle, the voice said, Found it. They did not, however, dig for remains. Why not? Nah, they didn't feel like it. Did it brought on this equipment and not a shovel honestly

To to probably two points here is that number one? They didn't probably bring the right equipment because the ground was cold even when they were filming you could tell it was cold Yeah, so it actually probably be very difficult for them to dig and then also just probably straight up They didn't have it in the budget or then a a lot of time They didn't have digging in the budget Certainly no, no, no, no, no, I'm a crew It's a fucking dude can handle a shovel dude, it's harder I did an entire short comedy about this about digging about how difficult that is to dig. It's like a whole bit It's a whole thing about the base to believe that short comedies are truth

Yeah in this kind of means yeah post holes harder to dig than you think it is to dig Well, I'm talking to it's harder to dig now I know a lot about digging shovel diggings not that bad post hole digging now That's some difficult digging if you're digging for remains it might take some time and that would mean it's very easy digging It's just very slow digging. would mean it's very easy digging, it's just very slow digging. Yeah, it's slow digging and you're listening to a radio telling you to do it. So yeah, it might be difficult. After Zach Bagans, Robert and Vicki had a whole series of other paranormal investigators,

psychics, mediums, and shamans visit their property. And they mostly confirmed that the ghost of her Baumeister and some of his victims were still tied to the property at Fox Hollow Farm. I like, I love psychics and obviously there is a dubious nature to a lot of psychics and you know You we all can decide how much we believe in what psychics say whenever we want. That's what I like about psychics. Well, they like to I mean you could use the word psychic. You could use the word sensitive. Yes. You know, sensitive. You know, it's people who see spirits.

I, you know, I've met a lot of these people. So some of it's like, it seems pretty legit. But when I saw that documentary, it really felt like a fucking Blumhouse movie. Yeah. Each one of the psychics came and were like, it's bad here. Yeah.

I don't like being here. You know what I mean? Like, cause they did the thing where they do the double blinds where they don't tell you what you're gonna go do. So they have the psychic come out and like, you don't know why you're there. But I think ostensibly, you know, you're not there for a good reason.

You're not there because like, oh wow, they invented the airplane here. Like that's not why you do that. Cause normally a sign for good things. You don't need a psychic to tell you that good things happen there, because they advertise. And people sell tickets to it, they want you to come look at it.

Yeah. Dude, I trained to be a medium, and they're like, yo, you're an extra large. Yeah, yeah, oh, Eddie, that's classic, Eddie Tunes. EddieTunes.com, available for bookings all over America. It's crazy how available he is. He will come to you. Looks like super available. Yeah, super available. available for bookings all over America. It's crazy how available he is. He will come to you.

Looks like super available. Yes, super available. I mean, he did an open mic a couple of weeks ago in Florida. You didn't just tell us. You worked for free. You worked for free. You hosted an open mic and booked it. So yeah, he's doing well.

But this is... To get back to the documentary, the one thing is, is that truly, and again, people also, we debate orbs, and what orbs are and shit, but that fuck a documentary. The orbs be crazy, dawg. Yeah, orbs be busting.

Orbs be wildin', dude. They are, they are shooting everywhere. I think obviously it's a very, it's a troubled place. Yes. I feel like anytime you name a very, it's a troubled place. I feel like anytime you name a house, it's immediately haunted. I'm just kidding, because I love that though. Or any sort of like manner is going to be haunted. Oh for sure. That's my goal.

But only one paranormal investigator, Richard Estep, co-author of Horror at Fox Hollow Farm, was granted permission to do a full investigation. Now Richard first visited Fox Hollow Farm in 2016, eight years after Robert Graves and his family moved in. Joe LeBlanc however had already moved out of the apartment above the garage six years prior but still came to participate in the investigation from time to time. Yeah I finally got a chance to purchase my own home. I bought the John Benet estate. Yeah, I love the Ramsey home. I love what they did with the basement. I sleep down there. Actually, the person who moved in after Joel LeBlanc left,

one of the sons, so the whole family just doesn't give a shit. They don't care. Like one of the, like, yeah, it was one of the grave, like they're just like, cause they talk about it in the Ghost Adventures episode, like they're just so casual with it. Partially it's kind of funny because I feel like there's some people would call that sus, but I find it to be the opposite. The exact opposite. More so when it's when people are like, now this is crazy, how this is gonna blow your mind mind like that's when I kind of call bullshit

But they're very casual about it. Well, it sounds like they legitimately don't care. They're horse people Go so fuck with the horses. Yeah Yeah, he goes he walks right past he sees the disembodied torso with the man in the red shirt while he's combing the horse And he's just like another day at the whole fox hollow horse Doesn't give a shit. He's jerking off mares. I got to go another course. A mare is a female.

Yeah. Yeah. Jill it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you blow on their mouth. Do people do that horse and they jill it? Do you get in there with a horse? Do you mean do people masturbate horses?

Yeah, they definitely masturbate. Mares. For male horses they do. But for female horses, they get up in there, they fucking get the clit. Is that a serious question? Do horses have clits? They make her stand over a sprinkler. Yeah, they definitely mess for male horses. They do but no field horses. They get up in there They get up in the clay that did serious question

Do horses have clits I I'm gonna go ahead and say sure yeah, yeah Serious question about ghosts Do all right here all right another one of sounding like an idiot. Do ghosts die? Like, over time, do it like- Like in The Frighteners. The way I would put it is this, is that our intelligence and psychic energy is what fuels the phenomena half the time.

So I imagine when you leave, the ghosts aren't just hanging out there. It's not like Haunted Mansion. They're not there hanging out necessarily when we are not there. We have to be there for us to see the things for it to happen. But then there are some people who say, like the new Kirk's, that they say a lot of times, famous haunting sites are sort of haunted by our ideas of what a haunting is,

what we're supposed to be seeing here. Many people kind of like what happened with Borley Rectory. Where everyone's expecting to see the guy walk down the path now because that's the famous story and so eventually the Thought forms form inside of this place of many people arriving expecting to see ghosts and then therefore they're charging the haunting Yeah, we see what we expect to see yeah, okay So they never like go dark or unless you you tie apparently if you tear an entire thing down Then it is much easier if you tear the house down the ghosts will probably go away. Oh and horses do have clitorises cool Thank you That's great information. What what both both on ghosts intelligent hauntings and about animal life

So I actually I'm good today You learned you learned a lot and I learned a lot. Yeah better It's not like that stupid fucking statement you sit on the last stream about how you get fruit juice by boiling fruit I was correct. No, you're right about pasteurization I was correct about how the juice was handled and I imagine if you're doing juice in bulk It's actually extremely difficult to do it just by squeezing. I don't think they boil oranges to get on Just ask a horse yeah No with Richard with a team of six paranormal investigators who'd all flown from Colorado to

Indiana and they decided in an obvious choice that the center of the paranormal activity was the place where herp had probably committed most Of his murders the pool room sure Interestingly though according to Vicky Herb's favorite room the one where she felt the presence the most was not the pool room But a certain bathroom upstairs No one has any idea however why the alleged spirit of her bow-muster liked that bathroom in particular. Unless he was the only one with a full-length mirror. And then he went in there to go check out his outfits.

Interesting. I just, you know, personally, like since moving into a house like here in Los Angeles, I've come, like I've, you know, I've always shared my bathroom with my wife in New York. I've come to adore my bathroom. Oh no, my bathroom? My bathroom that's like mine. Oh yeah, I love it. I love my bathroom.

Yeah, my butt is carved out of space. I love it. For me and me alone. You ever read that book, it's a room of one's own? For men, that's the bathroom. Mine's tiki themed. I got a bunch of tiki stuff. He's like, I don't want that anywhere.

So I'm like, well, I'm putting it in my bathroom and nothing to do about it. Exactly. Now it's the most well-decorated house in the room. Yeah, it's the most room. Yeah, exactly. It's themed. Well, I'm kind of inspired now.

Oh, dude, it's great. Oh yeah. Mine, Herb Baumeister. That's the theme. That's what I'm working on. Now the technical side of the team's paranormal investigations is a little hard to explain. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it's impossible

to make it sound interesting to anyone but those who are already into this shit. I would go and read the book, because the book actually has a great breakdown of how they set up a ghost hunting situation. Yeah. But on the first night of the investigation, after a lot of technical tests involving lasers that showed a presence are forwarded No, no, no, no these are that like these are the college educated yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

The group heard a doorknob jiggle one One of the investigators, the more psychically sensitive one, then announced that there was indeed a presence in the room, a male energy that did not like them being there at all. Grover Cleveland. The presence was right in the middle of the pool, very strong, very negative, and extremely threatening, which suggested that they were in the presence of the spirit of Herb Baumeister. Now on the second night, Richard and his friend tried a technique called the human pendulum.

Didn't you once do the human pendulum in college? Yeah. I made out with a couple of dudes, that was it. It's all I did. You did have a swing. Did I? Yeah, didn't you have a sex swing? No.

When we met. Who are you thinking about? I don't know, maybe sex swing no when we met who are you thinking about maybe it's a secret no it's not a secret you're confusing me was I didn't have a sex swing you didn't have a sex swing no I never positive you had a sex swing no you you made that us did you have a hammock that you know leather black leather hammock no whose house you remember the sex way yeah who had this house was tiny we had like the bed literally took up No. A black leather hammock? No. Whose house? Do you remember the sex swing? Yeah, who had the sex swing? That house was tiny.

The bed literally took up the entire room. It might've been a lady that we knew. Yeah, I think it was because I never had a sex swing. I always thought it was you. We can cross that piece of trivia off. No. No, I had a standup comedian living in my basement. That's what I had. I know that. And honestly, when I was watching Mike Lawrence at the time, he was more of

a lie-down comedian. In the human pendulum, one person stands in an open space and is watched by observers on both sides, while another investigator asks questions, emphasizing that only spirits of honest nature are permitted to answer. Once the pendulum is opened up, so to speak, the questioner asks the spirit to demonstrate the yes position, and the human pendulum is often surprised to find themselves suddenly tilting forward, backward, or to one side, completely against their will. Like Michael Jackson. Yeah! When he does the foot thing. Yeah, that's not the foot thing, it's the lean thing. Totally different from the foot

thing. It's from his feet. Herb Baumeister was a smooth criminal as well. Yeah, very much so. Well, after the yes position is established, they establish no as well. Then the session can officially begin. Now in this case, the strongest location to contact a spirit was determined to be in the pool The human pendulum was Richard because this technique always seemed to work best with him But as he stood in the shallow end of the pool It was actually Richard spotters who experienced the most activity one a guy named Sean Felt fingers caress his hand as if a spirit wanted to hold it. The other investigator, however, a woman named Erin,

felt herself get pushed in the back, which almost knocked her down. As she interpreted this action, someone didn't like that a woman was in a man's domain. Oh yeah, he was not a fan of the ladies. No. Now quite a bit of activity had involved Joe LeBlanc. So he was invited back to Fox Hollow Farm

to assist the investigators in provoking the supposed spirit of her Baumeister. Because it seemed like after dealing with this thing for years, Joe had gone aggressive. Yeah, I'm facing down all the spirits. So yeah, I had a son and that's why I moved to Colorado and I enrolled him directly in the Columbine high school Everything I do has to be touched by tragedy Joe said that he believed herb was a coward and he enjoyed provoking him while in the pool pump room with the investigators Recording Joe called herb a chicken shit telling him that if he was so tough when he killed all those guys Why doesn't he try it now? On the investigators!

On the investigators! They're the ones, they're the ghost cops! They're like, what? Now while Joe was shouting, the EMF meters were repeatedly spiking, which, you know, I told them there was some paranormal activity happening in the room. Richard felt a cold, flirtatious caress on his tricep MY TRICEP IS GETTING FLIRTED WITH MY TRICEP IS GETTING FLIRTED WITH

While Aaron was jabbed in the back yet again by the end of it the investigators were emotionally and physically exhausted But Joe felt fucking great for him. This was a cathartic experience Finally get the fucking yellow this piece of shit Yeah For him this was a cathartic experience. Finally get the fucking yellow this piece of shit Yeah Now once Joe left the paranormal activity settled down for the rest of the night which confirmed Richard's theory The Joe was a sort of paranormal lightning rod as some people seem to be others like us not so much Everywhere I go, ghosts are asking to see ol' Joe. What's Joe doing, huh? What's Joe up to? That's what the ghosts say. No humans, no, no live ones.

But the ghosts, oh man, they're always being like, Joe, come over. Oh Joe, you're the best guy I've ever met. But on the third, Joe, if you're listening, we love you, buddy. I think Joe's great. Yeah, I think Joe's amazing. I hope Fred's doing well. I don't know, Fred. Probably, I mean, he's an old dog. I mean, that was a I think Joe's amazing. I hope Fred's doing well. I don't know. I mean he's an old dog. I mean that was a long time ago. Yeah, he's probably now still at

Fox Hollow Farms. Barking at men. Ghost Dog. Yeah. Also a movie. Yeah. It's not very good. One of his least good films. It's a didgeridoo. Yeah, I mean it's no down by law. It's low energy. Yeah, it's down low energy. Yes, very low energy Do you like it? I never watched it. I did rewatch coffee and cigarettes lately and that was fine. Yeah, it's fine No down by law. That's the Jim Jarmusch movie Drugstore couple you have it. No, I haven't seen I know about it, but I haven't seen it come over one night

We'll watch it. It's one of my favorites. I love Roberto Benini. Yeah. Oh, he's incredible He's one of my favorite Tom Waits kills itini. Yeah. Oh, he's incredible. He's one of my favorite Tom Waits kills it John Laurie's. Okay. This is a different conversation Also, we technically jerk sir Calaway that was directed by Gus Van Sant. I was yeah, that was it. Yeah, it's not him It's too fast-paced. Yeah Well on the third and final night of the first investigation at Fox Hollow Farm Richard decided to get into the pool himself to see if he could provoke the spirit of her bowmeister into appearing. While standing in the middle of the freezing cold water, Richard did a ghost bro come at me.

Come at me man my neck is long. He called her a sick son of a bitch and a monster and so on and so forth while holding a recorder above his head. Now he heard nothing while he was in the pool, but when he re-listened to the recording, he heard a male voice whispering a single word. Laura. This, Robert later said, was one of the most disturbing moments of his career as a paranormal investigator because Laura was the name of Richard's wife. Woah! That's awesome!

At least you know that the ghost is not going to cheat on your wife with you and ruin your family. That's right. Now there was an 18-month gap between the first and second visit to Fox Hollow Farm, but Richard still hadn't decided who or what was haunting the property. While the Graves family believed it was Herb and his victims, other paranormal investigators were convinced that the property was haunted by an inhuman entity, something infernal. There's a lot of people that went down to try to investigate and they thought maybe it was a Herbarm-meister or some other ghost but then they found out Ippie Demon. And it would make sense if it wasn't Demon because the Demon could have possessed Herb back in the day. That's what some of them are saying. I like this.

It doesn't really make sense. Why do we need a third party here? I think Herb Baumeister did enough. And also Herb killed like 11 dudes before he even thought about Fox Hall Farms. And I say it's easier for me to believe in ghosts than demons as well. Oh sure. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

According to a paranormal investigator named Father Steven Weidner whose opinion may be skewed to believe in something more demonic This inhuman entity was drawn to the negative energy of the farm because of the murders inside Yeah, it thought that was a nice piece of property just like the graves Family did mm-hmm except it was for ghosts instead of horses Yeah, well this spirit father Weid said, was just playing Herb Baumeister. But Herb's spirit also dropped by from time to time. And also the spirits of the victims dropped by from time to time. Which confused matters quite a bit for everyone involved.

I like going back to places I've been before. If I go to Denver, I always make sure I stop in certain spots. It's always like, oh, it's nice. Sure, of course. So that's what these guys are doing. In a way. I was make sure I stop in certain spots, you know, it's always nice And so Richard returned for a second and final trip with a new set of investigators to discern just who or what? Was haunting Fox Hollow Farm now this time they investigated the apartment where Joe LeBlanc had lived where quite a bit of the poltergeist activity had occurred They also of course once again invited Joe LeBlanc. Well, let me check my calendar and see if it's open Yeah, I think I can pencil you in

Please just invite me more Can't we go once we went to the sizzler? You know why we always get to come back to the haunted farm. We could do a lot of things guys No, sorry, I can't make it that weekend. That's when I'm going to New York City to visit the 9-eleven About the ground zero pools is that you can jam a lot of bodies in those. Now Joe recommended that the investigators pay close attention to the walk-in closet. According to Joe a number of people, almost exclusively women, found it intolerable to spend any amount of time inside this closet. Although I don't know exactly how Joe polled for that information.

I know two people Apparently though other mediums who visited the house reported that Fox Hollow farm had two portals to the other side of the Vale on its grounds. The strongest was of course the swimming pool, but the other was this particular closet, which is a pretty apt metaphor. But it's interesting is that Zach Baggins said the same thing about that closet. Isn't that weird? That is one thing that is weird. Well, I don't believe that there's a portal to the undead in that closet, but weirdly Zach Bacon said the same exact words. Yeah.

But just as Joe and the investigators were right in the middle of a complicated technical experiment, Joe's phone rang. On the other end was who else but Herb Baumeister's only known surviving victim, Tony Harris, who had apparently connected with Joe in the intervening years. Tony Harris is obviously a highly traumatized individual so we absolutely want to give him the benefit of the doubt but it must be said that Tony's story about his experiences with Herb Baumeister have let's say evolved over the years to make him a larger part of Herb's story. Yeah. Where in the past Tony had claimed to have only gone to

Herb's house on one particular night Or that was the case as far as I could tell he claims in horror at Fox Hollow Farm that he went to Herb's house for erotic for erotic Asphyxiation games so many times that he lost count and I brought up when we talked about this on the phone is that that? Basically means that if he was there many times he was an accomplice I do not agree that he would be that does not make him in any way That's why it's a lie No

The problem is is that if you spent so many times going to her bow meisters pool and you lived you were helping that as Far as I'm concerned. I don't think you were helping. I think you just weren't doing anything about it You just sat on the information. Well, guess what? That's what happens in action is an action in itself Yes, most people the worst He just sat on the information. Well, guess what? That's what happens in action is an action in itself Yes, my suppose people the worst it's like are they as bad as the bad ones if the good people do nothing He probably just elaborated his story The way he talked about it I don't think it also totally negates the story he told about suddenly running into her but a gay bar long after his initial

Experience which is a story I heard repeated by the PI who worked the case which gives that story more credence Yes, but nevertheless Tony Harris claimed that he did have some psychic abilities And he believed that herb had an accomplice Tony found this man so abhorrent that he referred to the totally unverified Accomplice as SLJ which stands for sounds like Joe unverified accomplice as SLJ, which stands for Sounds Like Joe. Tony also believed that SLJ haunted Fox Hollow Farm along with all the rest of the spirits. So what other names sound like Joe? Mo? Mo?

Yeah, Mo. Mo sounds like Joe. Mo Lester? Joseph? Sounds like Joe. That's Joe. Joseph is Joe. I know, but if it's called Joseph Joe that's Joe. Yeah, that's Joe Joseph is Joe. I know Maybe broseph Bo or bro, so

Zo is weird. I think those ones name. So it's one of the new pronouns. I think like zerk really. Yeah, there's like a zerk Ronald you can be you gotta invite Ronald you're getting older as I look at you Now they call the Joe LeBlanc got from Tony that night was a warning Tony had a feeling that SLJ was active at Fox Hollow Farm at that very moment and was prowling the house and Tony was curious as to what was going on out there. However, another medium brought in to investigate the haunting, a sensitive named Brian, so that he was sure that Herb didn't have an accomplice. According to Brian, a lot of the spirits were simply tired of interacting with anyone and everyone

who constantly came to the farm to try and talk to them. Well, the Graves family talked about that at the very beginning of the book about how that was one of the true main issues of the house was how many people showed up to go wander around the house because it was abandoned for a bunch of years and the grounds, it was owned but nobody lived there, so they were always finding people out in the field looking through shit.

And so these ghosts are all like, can I get some peace? Like I know I'm not at peace, but I don't need to be gawked at as well. Do they do tours and shit? No, no, no, no. Brian also said that any medium who claimed to have contact with Herb was lying because the magnitude of the evil things Herb had done

was keeping him in a type of purgatory where he could not be reached. Cool, it's like fucking, like a hell cube. But Don was keeping him in a type of purgatory where he could not be reached But Brian's most disturbing encounter came when he investigated the pool room He claimed to have a vision of a purple and greenish energy portal under the water with human hands rising out That's some poltergeist shit Yeah Brian said he could hear their voices, and the sheer amount of negative energy in that room had created this apparition that

only he could see. Meanwhile, the kids are just playing Marco Polo in it. He's like having a great time. He's doing a barbecue next to it. Meanwhile, he's being like, I feel the energies of a thousand corpses in this room. It's like nobody gives a shit. He's just out there flicking the horses being enjoying life Brian was then told about Joe's frightening experience in the pool when he was dragged underwater by an unseen force. From Brian's reckoning, Joe's psychically sensitive nature got him quote-unquote, snared up in the spirit portal which acted as a sort of whirlpool and it was the spirit vortex that dragged Joe under the water. Whoa, this old like dragged me to hell! Yeah! Furthermore, the hands that Joe felt were not

those of her bowmeister but the grasping hands of the spirits that blindly groped from the other side of the portal, and were therefore not purposefully aggressive at all. But even so, the house was still, according to Brian, infested with an inhuman entity who possessed a consciousness, an entity that knew exactly what it was doing. This entity, Brian said, enjoyed instilling fear in those who invaded its domain, acting as a sort of psychic parasite that feeds off chaos and negative emotion. You talking about Ben Shapiro? Hey!

Take it away! HenryZabroski.com! I'm open to you! You got it, look at me, man! I'll fucking come to your house, I'll have sex with your wife, I'll make soup! Henry Zabrowski dot com I'll fucking come to your house. I'll have sex with your wife. I'll make soup. No jokes. Yeah soup takes a while The Tony Harris had actually made many trips to Fox Hollow Farm since the night Herb almost murdered him there and many trips after Herb died and he referred to this non-human entity as the frog he says it's almost amphibian in appearance with a toad like face interestingly there is a demon described in many grim wars and

demon ology books as having a frog's face it's one of the biggies Baaahhh Baaahhh And it's written Yeah it's ball Baaahhh Baaahhh And it has an apostrophe So you know it's evil And it's written that he has the face of a toad, a cat, and a human

But the body of a spider You're just throwing shit together at that point That's every animal So three heads or one horrible head one horrible head with three faces Yeah, the body of a spider a lot of the demons have three faces. It's it's a whole thing It's it's technically symbolism various mental and physical ailments. They would put in the form of demons. Yeah It's also a frogs are just creepy looking. Yeah, it's a spider frog Demons yeah, it's also a frogs are just creepy looking. Yeah, it's a spider frog

Now according to Tony the frog Primarily resides in the pool as it should yeah, but it is capable of traveling through the house if it is so inclined in a basket The frog Tony said is assisted by SLJ sounds like Joe sounds like Joe and by Tony's reckoning SLJ sounds like Joe actually. Sounds like Joe! And by Tony's reckoning, SLJ... Sounds like Joe....actually killed Herb Baumeister in Ontario instead of Tony killing himself. Oh yes. What's interesting though is that I did discover another detail about Herb's death from the testimony of the private investigator whose work led to Herb's capture. He said that Herb had built an altar of sorts at his death site with a pile of sand and some dead crows I have no idea if that means anything, but it's interesting. It is a it is technically contested

We don't know whether or not this is real or not I looked this up because he said he built a pile of sand like in that altar shape He said that there might have been dead birds. That's what the PI claimed. That's what the PI claimed. And you know, private investigators, always fucking straight shooting guys. Yeah. Herb, I don't see him being able to kill a bunch of crows.

I feel like they're harder to kill than you think. It's hard to get, it's hard to kill a bird, I think you gotta get at it. Especially multiple crows. Yeah, and then you're eating while you're, and then eat a peanut butter sandwich. You have to like lay down, cover yourself in lunch meat, and then you're eating while you're... and then you eat a peanut butter sandwich? You have to like lay down, cover yourself in lunch meat, and then like sneak attack. Yeah, and that's the thing, like I just can't imagine Herb Baumeister spending like a morning in a national park chasing after crows so he could kill him with his bare hands.

While running from the cops. Oh, but he did have a gun. He had he had a 357 magnum that, by the way, he called his man. He called it dirty Harry. Yeah, of course. But then the birds were strangled to death. If that was real, the birds were strangled to death

according to that P.I. Because they found a bunch of strangled birds, which I mean, I don't know what that means. Now, I don't know what that means either. That means he's really good with birds while also being really bad

with them. Yeah, I just like to hug them Zack Bagans immediately said of course he was like this some kind of dark ritual Did you do a dark ritual in order for you to stay in the pool herb? Oh? You know you could have just stayed in the pool, bro Yeah, why didn't you kill himself in America? He was on the run, and then I think he just decided to end it.

Yeah, I actually, along with the tapes actually, I feel like the tapes changes everything in a weird way. I feel like in many ways he was running to, he was hiding his own evidence, then he went across the border because, again, that's just a good way to hide. And, you know, there's, some people were trying to say that he got shot, that someone shot him and he didn't commit suicide.

That would make more sense to me because why do you care if someone finds the tapes if you're already dead? I think because it depends on whether or not he purchased those tapes. One of the things they talked about with John Norman is that they had burnt a lot of the Rolodex that he had because there were some politicians and celebrities that were on the receiving end of some of this child pornography that he was selling and so there might have been Like a famous person in there and there might have been like I mean that is our Dave McGowan Now we're getting like QAnon ball. Yeah, but I was just saying you know that's why if I can entertain you can't entertain

No on Richards final day at Fox Hollow Farm He and his team decided to give the woods one more go But before they ventured out they had a discussion as to whether digging would be disrespectful or even sacrilegious They decided it was not not So armed with a shovel they ventured out into the woods. See, Tony had told them there was definitely bones buried in a certain spot. In the middle? Well, this is a different part.

Okay. Tony told them a different spot and they wanted to test Tony's assertion. Tony had actually made some pretty strong claims concerning his connection to the spirit of her bowmeister To the point where he would stop in the middle of conversations and address herb spirit directly But once they got to the point where Tony said the bones were buried the team dug for almost 30 minutes and found Nothing no way But they recorded audio the whole time and when they listened back to the tape they heard a voice say,

Get away from here! Well, Abby is creepier than that. Get away from here, buddy! Get away from here. Get away from here. Stay away! And with that, the investigation at Fox Hollow Farm Concluded now I do believe that there's definitely something spooky going down at Fox Hollow Farm But I'm not sure if it's due to an inhuman spider frog hey jury's still out

Nor do I believe it has anything to do with an act of consciousness I have no idea what it is just like nobody has any idea what any of this is But it seems like it'll be a long time until Fox Hollow Farm is free from both the spiritual and physical evidence of Herb Baumeister's crimes. And that's why you should come down to the Graves Family Horse Farm. Down in the Fox Hollow Farm, we have some of the most scared gay horses you've ever seen. Come on down, ride them until they faint. Everybody loves a Graves family horse. And that's our Urbama's Desiree. Wow! Thanks everybody. Yeah, thanks very much for listening. Very creepy and I did turn into Dave

McGowan for a second. Yeah. But it's good to do. No it's not. But you get in there and you get out. Yeah. Key's got gotta dip toe in, dip toe back out. Yeah. All right. I'm just asking questions. You ask a lot of questions. As long as you're asking questions, as long as you say that, you know that.

As long as you say, I'm just asking questions, you can say any single statement. And then people know you're just- No matter how stupid you sound. You're just asking questions. Yeah, I think the phrase, I'm just asking questions will one day be seen as the most one of the most insidious phrases ever

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Unless you get the pool in your strangle. Yeah Well, what a great time that's a great time, what are we doing next week? Oh, I know I think we're going to be doing a relaxed fit. We're going to talk about when Herb Baumeister took over the love bug and haunted the little Herbie the little car. Whoa, cool! You waited till the very end for that one.

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