Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 574: Ed and Lorraine Warren Part II - Make It Scary

Episode Date: May 25, 2024

This week the boys pick back up on the story of Ed & Lorraine Warren diving into the "greatest hits"-era of their paranormal investigative careers with the Haunting of Annabelle the Doll, The Amityville Horror, and the "Devil Made Me Do It" cases.

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I'm gonna... Heh heh heh heh. I'm gonna masturbate. Yeah. I'm gonna smoke a lot of weed and I about the silence. I'm so fucking jealous. I get to sit, I'm gonna sit, I'm gonna, I'm gonna masturbate. I'm gonna smoke a lot of weed, I'm gonna sit in silence. Sounds incredible. I think tonight I'm gonna alphabetize my DVDs. Jesus, wow. That sounds so great. It sounds like so much fun.

I love alphabetizing my DVDs. It's one of my secret favorite thrills. It's no like, oh no, I have to just smoke weed and clean my office. I just do that for two hours. Great question. Do I keep the Blu-rays with the Blu-rays and the DVDs with the DVDs? No. But see the different sizes in the boxes. Yeah, that's fine.

The Blu-rays are separate from the DVDs. They're a different class. They're a different class. Yeah, they're different life They might be a different class, but when I'm going to go look for a movie I want to know that I don't want to go as like I got that one on DVD fuck I got it now. I got to go to the blue Rays. You have to pay more attention to your Library see the problem is I have every Halloween movie on DVD But they're scattered You know like there was some of them around blue Rays some of them on DVD on DVD, but they're scattered. You know, like there were some of them around Blu-ray,

some of them on DVD, you know, I don't know. I would say put collections together. God, but the cases are different sizes. I just think it's a mess altogether. I think it's over. So first of all, I want to say this whole episode, completely real. Yeah.

I want you to remember when we begin, as we begin today, every single thing we're talking about, real. Yeah. I want you to remember when we begin, as we begin today, every single thing we're talking about, real. Yeah. In terms of there are human beings that have been a part of these stories and have spoken about these stories.

And I do think that it's important to remember that if it's real to somebody, isn't it then real somewhere? Sure. Do you have the courage right here on this show to call Annabelle a bitch? All right. What?

After all of the doll-based issues we've already had, it cut out on me last week. It cut out on me when we were talking about Robert the doll. I think she's great. I love Annabelle. Annabelle, the Jessica Chastain of Haunted Objects. Me when we were talking about Robert the dog she's great L the Jessica Chastain of haunted objects one of just rubber and rubber Most lady like of them, but she is based on the child. Yeah, Annabelle Raggedy Ann. Oh, yeah Well Raggedy Ann, I mean so Annabelle doesn't look like Annabelle, but we'll get into that We'll get into that welcome to last podcast on the left by the way Raggedy Ann, I mean so Annabelle doesn't look like Annabelle, but we'll get into that We'll get into that welcome to the last podcast on the left, by the way, Raggedy Ann is technically a child

My name is Marcus Parks Raggedy Ann's not only a child Raggedy Ann is an orphan So if you want to make love to that underage orphan, I put you towards one of the worst people that's ever lived Ed Larson, I will stick to Jessica Chassé I will stick to Jessica Chassé. Hey, she'll have us. She has not returned one of my letters. No. She has not returned one of my telegrams. She won't answer the door.

She won't answer my DMs. And I don't understand. I keep telling her, my wife looks just like you. I remember what, I know. But she's short. No, Jessica Chassé is tall. No, she's not. I've seen her in real life. When did you see her? Yeah, you fucking had seen her in real life. Fuck you. When did you get to see her?

I was waiting for an elevator at the movie theater with my buddy who was handicapped and they wouldn't let us on the elevator We're like, why would you let us on the elevator? And he's like cuz someone's coming and I was like, well just let us use it and then we sat there for like seven minutes And then Jessica Chastain showed up and used the elevator went up And then we had a way for to come back down You do one of your bullshit slander things right now. I love you, Jessica. Hey, listen, you want to reverse some of this slander? You get back to one of my cutout magazine letters I sent you asking for some pictures of you dressed as a frog.

Come on, get it to me. Let's get on to the Warrens part two. We're getting further into the Ed and Lorraine Warren story. This is going to be the episode where we're covering the greatest hits. I think that we talked about right before the show. Last episode was an introduction to just sort of reminder who the Warrens are, what they're do, what their style is, get all again. They're sexy and fun. They're bringing a a vivacious edge to the paranormal world. I mean, if you actually look at the ascot sales,

you can tell they are, like the heat is off the charts. But today's episode is like, last week was an intro, today's the continued adventures of the Warrens. Yeah, and next episode will be, of course, when they jump the shark Now one thing I'll say about Ed and Lorraine Warren is that even though they've been Grossly misrepresented by the movies of the conjuring universe Come up to me. They're like are you the guy these are Broadway over time?

I'm like oh, you know Joe's subs too? On Broadway and Melington? They're like no no no the other guy you can sing and I'm like oh you mean my friend? And even though they lied about or embellished upon their experiences on a consistent basis You can't say they were not true believers in the paranormal. They almost believed in it too much. Yes. For a great example, we received an email from a listener who grew up in Easton, Connecticut, which is right next to the town where Ed and Lorraine lived and where their occult museum still stands today.

Now this is definitely a secondhand story, but this listener had a supervisor whose dad owned the pharmacy where Ed and Lorraine Warren filled the prescription. This is the shit that the other shows don't get. This is the fucking shit. If you guys, first of all, you're saying like, oh, a pharmacist, what do they know? Have you ever met somebody over 60 and seen their relationship between them and a pharmacist? They just say wild stuff. They'll be like, yeah, I just got,

I'm here because my wife says I don't take care of myself. Yeah, and you have to sit behind them being like, yeah bro, I can see you have like a green foot. Fucking pharmacists are saving the world. They're keeping dudes fucking their wives. They're keeping the guns out of the hands of psychopaths. Pharmacists are some of the strangest human beings you will meet only surpassed by dentists. Pharmacists are strange.

I got a lot of mail on that too. You'd be surprised what goes on in the minds of pharmacists. It's like if coke dealers were nerds. But sometimes they've got the same attitudes. But prescription drugs were not the only purpose for the Warrens to go to this establishment. This pharmacy was where Ed and Lorraine Warren had many of their so-called spirit photographs developed which is a far cry from the conception we may have in our minds of a paranormal investigator painstakingly developing photos in a creepy dark room while foreboding ambient music plays in the background

Like Henry said they're going to Eckert's Miss Eckert's yeah well from what the guy who developed their photos told our listener Ed Warren would come in with the role Of film giddy at the possibility that this was the time they'd finally captured proof of demon kind on earth. Oh this one's juicy, I can't smell it. I can't smell the ghost from outside the film. Oh god I gotta see it. This is real. This is what they said. Sometimes the person who developed the photos would actually let Ed behind the counter to help. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, let me see the machine.

Oh, I gotta get some, but he called them his goodies. His goodies, yeah. Because Ed, sometimes he just couldn't wait to see the results. He needed to be there when the machine finally spit the photos out under the harsh fluorescent lights of the pharmacy. Too much time. Looking like what's his name from Spawn? The violator? Looking like what's his name from from spawn?

When Ed left the technician to do his job However, Ed would come back and immediately ask if they saw anything while developing the photos Let me tackle it myself and the technician would like he'd usually humor ed was like, yeah Maybe they were a couple in there that looked pretty creepy. I knew I could trust you, Pedro. I knew as soon as I could, because you know how precious these secrets are. And it's just nice that you, getting paid $5.75 an hour,

are allowed to hold the secrets of the universe. That'd be a takey BT. But while the technician gave his polite answer, Ed would rip open the package at the counter like it was Christmas Day, pull out the magnifying glass that he brought himself, and he would try to convince the desk clerk that this little white dot or that little weird blob was in fact a demon. And this is the type of gusto Edward displayed while just running an errand. Imagine what he was like at the scene of a paranormal event.

But that's all to say that Ed and Lorraine saw demons everywhere, partly because they very much wanted the world to be a playground for the infernal It's almost like it was their entire livelihood Yeah And then they needed demons to be real for them to make the millions of dollars that they ended up making That's a of all of the people that have monetized the paranormal that have made money on the paranormal not beside Zach Bagans I think Zach Bagans is now the new current Lord of the the pop culture on the paranormal, besides Zach Baggins. I think Zach Baggins is now the new current lord

of the pop culture. I mean, that's my polite way of putting it. Pop culture paranormal lord. Where he knows how to tell a story, he knows how to ship it around. Because I'll tell you what, I watched hours of Ed and Lorraine talking. And their stories are great, they're rehearsed,

and they never change Yeah, so he has it down pat but these guys they figured out like the way you make quote-unquote Good dollars in this or where he says a good money It always tells people to make good money with this stay consistent. Mm-hmm. Stay in the pocket Never break character. That's where Alex Jones is the pussy. Yep, and he fucking wanted his kids back Fucking kids back because he broke character and Lorraine No every once in a while the mask would drop but it was only in private and about money and it was about money But that's a lot of a lot of that stuff will get to in part three

But that's a lot of a lot of that stuff will get to in part three But for an example of how Ed and Lorraine saw demons everywhere on a trip to New York City to star as guests on a TV Show Ed and Lorraine claimed that they were walking through an alley and found themselves Appalled at the amount of garbage flies and vermin. So they've been saying about this New York for a long time Just you know, what's that? They've been saying this about New York for a long time But that's the thing is that all three of us we've lived in New York for a long time just so you know. What's that? They've been saying this about New York for a long time. But that's the thing, is that all three of us, we've lived in New York, we know this story's a fucking fib because Manhattan don't got alleys. No alleys. No, there's no alleys.

Chicago's got alleys. Yeah? That's why it seems a little cleaner, because we toss our trash in the street. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Alley is the way that people think of them in movies, that only exists in movies. Yeah, it's last action hero shit. Well, you know what's funny, you know what I think it's interesting, you know, has alleys downtown Los Angeles.

And I do think that there's a lot of ways that you don't understand that you've been manipulated by the media, that you're like, you have an idea maybe of what New York looks like because of how it's been pictured in movies. But then you realize like, oh, no, but they don't shoot in New York. So any time you've seen New York, it's shot in Atlanta or shot in Toronto or shot in some other place So it's like yeah, so it's got a bunch of stuff that you wouldn't recognize There's one I looked it up. There's one alley in like downtown where they shoot like fucking everything Chinatown's got its there is alleys in Chinatown

There's a couple of alleys here and there but they're very rare. Yeah, there's more there's alleys in New York, but they're all just You know dead sex workers There's alleys in New York, but they're all just, you know, dead sex workers. Named Ali. Very good. EddieTunes.com. But regardless, when Ed and Lorraine found themselves in this supposed alley, Ed saw a homeless man who was, by Ed's estimation, somewhere between the ages of 30 and 65. The strange-

You can't tell? Decades? I think he was- Honestly, people have been saying the same thing about me since I'm seven. the ages of 30 and 65. The stranger laying under a pile of garbage was covered in sores and scabs and rats were chewing at his toes. But while Ed and Lorraine stood staring at this poor man like he was a tourist attraction. He's like, hey buddy, quit staring, I'm in bed right now. Hey, here's a rat's eating my toes here. Hey, these are my buddies. That rat is my wife. Ed claimed that as he stood there, he watched as the man's face changed into a perverse sneer and an ugly inhuman look of delirium settled into the man's face changed into a perverse sneer and an ugly inhuman look of delirium settled into the man's eyes and then slowly but

surely you heard I see it was a pre-fought face I now understand at first I thought it was a demon but now I know that's a pretty fun face I honestly I should know that I Once saw a guy asleep on the subway like on his back and like it was a pretty full subway and everyone wanted to Sit down, but he took up like for three seats Yeah, and then we're all just sitting there looking at him and all of a sudden you could tell he's starting to pee his pants Yeah, and then the pee stream got so hard that it like went like through his pants and out I was just like oh my god that right there is that honestly I know for a fact

That's not a demon. That's a man Demon would piss on the subway like that because they understand that they gotta be on the subway themselves only men ruins their own environment Now into the guy with the alley that was a demon. Oh, yeah, of course But it's just his idea that We're gonna get into what it will turn to be one of our large themes of this series, which is there, what they really wanted to do was not prove that ghosts exist or demon exists,

but they wanted to spread the power of Christianity everywhere they went. Ed Warren, Lorraine Warren's an interesting type because she really is another one of those who is a true believer, never dropped character. I kind of believe some of the wiggity stuff. I believe a little of the, I see your aura. Mostly because of the hair. No, yeah. And I said that in the first episode. Like these people, I guarantee had an outsized amount of paranormal experiences. I guarantee they did.

And also the way they reacted. I was reading about how Ed and Lorraine, during all the mini, before getting into the big ones that we're about to get into, they'd just show up at the police, introduce themselves as demonologists. No irony, no anything. Lorraine was like, I'm a psychic.

And she would immediately tell stuff. I mean, your mama loves spaghetti, didn't she? I see noodles in my mind. And you know, and here's like, my god, my mother did love spaghetti. Immediately like tell something like your mama loves spaghetti didn't she? My god my mother did love spaghetti You know officer, you know rigatoni But then Ed Warren was just was like this. He was he had no Compunction like he really just was like, I'm doing, but the idea across all of this is to tell people that the only thing that can save an entire generation

is the power of Christ. Yeah. Now Ed's willingness to believe that anything and everything could be a vessel for a demon was what helped him and Lorraine believe and sell one of their most famous tales, that of the haunted doll Annabelle Now from the beginning of Nesper that's the New England Society for Paranormal Research

That's their little you know that's their organization. They also sometimes call it Nespierre That was my one line. When you're a Jet. That was your line? I played a character called Snowboy. My only line in West Side Story was, let's get those PRs. Ah. Canceled with one line.

What are you going to do? The Warrens would receive referrals from local priests when the priests suspected that a demonic infestation or possession had taken place, and the priests didn't really feel like dealing with it just yet. Essentially, demon hunting was outsourced to Ed and Lorraine, and this is how the Warrens came upon the infamous Annabelle doll in 1970. Well, you know, they had just, they were the Ghostbusters. They had a P.O PO box and a phone line.

And so I was reading and I was reading and watching material that they sent out to their like fan club and also the VHS is that you could purchase back in the day. They finally they released it all to YouTube. They dumped it all out. And it's interesting, like they were like, you got a ghost and your local give us a call. And they would give the number and like you just call Ed and Lorraine Warren and this is how they operated for years Now unfortunately the Warren's own perspective on the Annabelle case is really the only one available

But I think that the story of Annabelle is important to tell if only because it shows you how wacky and blown out a Warren story Can be when no one pushes back. So in 1970, a woman bought a Raggedy Ann doll from a hobby store in Hartford, Connecticut as a present for her daughter Donna, who had just graduated nursing school. Presumably, there was some sort of symbolic reason behind this gift, as it seems a little underwhelming for a grown woman who'd just graduated nursing school. I think you'd be surprised how prevalent stuffed animals are still even in the rooms of adults.

Really? Yeah, I think that stuffed animals are around more than we think that they are and they're gripped more and they're anthropomorphized more than you think that it is. I think I've definitely, back in my single days, you'd be surprised. That you wandered into a room and a woman. Filled with stuffed animals. Many, many, many stuffed animals. And then you're making drunken love

on top of a bunch of stuffed animals in a room in a weird, dark room in Bushwick. That never once happened to me. Happened to me multiple times. Maybe it really talks about who's attracted to me. Yeah, you're making it up. Maybe this is neat. I think it's just more about the types of that that we encountered in our time in New York City

Yeah, mine was a lot of women in sort of like a unicorn onesie smeared makeup going you you're gonna save me, right? Yeah, I'm gonna save us all right my favorite kind. Yeah, Henry's ladies had less cigarette burns Not a point I can refute in any way whatsoever. Whatever the case, this Raggedy Ann doll was massive. It was three feet tall with long dangling legs. It was a grippable doll. It was super grippable. It was kissable. Kissable and huggable

I actually don't I think that they were all that big for a period of time Yeah, I think the people like bigger dolls back in those old GI Joes were huge Yeah Well made of cloth and stuffing this doll wore bloomers and a paisley shirt and had the trademark red yarn hair of every Raggedy Ann Doll as well as the printed face featuring the large black eyes and the triangle nose. Now within days Donna, her roommate Angie, and Angie's fiance, Lou, they all noticed that there was something off about this doll. At first there were just small movements like changes in the positions of its limbs.

Sometimes the doll would be found with its arms crossed or Sometimes the doll would be found with its arms crossed, or it would be found standing upright on its own feet. The upright position was particularly disturbing considering how Raggedy Ann was a floppy sort of doll, didn't have any internal wires that could make an upright stance possible. But soon after the changes in position, Donna and Angie would come home to find that the doll had moved to an entirely different room, seemingly of its own volition. On one occasion, Donna left the doll on the couch when she went to work, but when she returned, the doll was on her bed, and the door to her bedroom had been closed.

I'm changing my wetted bloomers. I'm sorry I made my bloomers wet. Told you to take me outside! I hate this doll. Where did we get this doll? Where's the nurse? Donna and Angie claimed, or should I say the Warrens claimed, that a month after the activity began, they began finding messages on parchment paper clearly written by a child that read Help Us, or Help Lou, referencing Angie's fiance.

From there, the activity escalated after the doll had once again moved itself to another room. But this time- Can you imagine trying to go to take a shit and you open up the door and Annabelle's just sitting on the toilet. Just like that's scary. Like first of all, like that's just scary.

And then it's also like, you don't pay rent here. Yeah. But it has a fucking bathroom. Do you think someone's got to pay rent in order to use a bathroom? As far as I'm going, yeah, my home. Yeah, but it has a fucking bathroom You think someone's got to pay rent in order to use a bathroom that far as I'm going. Hey my home Yeah, oh, yeah, that's right. I forget you get to pay toilet in your home But this time when Donna picked up the doll She found what appeared to be drops of blood on the back of the dolls hands and chest

Quite concerned by this point Donna and her roommate engaged in the services of a spirit medium. The medium immediately called for a séance, and during the ritual, the medium said that she had contacted the spirit of a young girl who had once lived on the property where Donna and Angie's apartment building had been constructed. The spirit's name was Annabelle Higgins, and her lifeless body had been found on the very land where Donna and Angie lived when Annabelle was just seven years old. But the spirit said she felt safe with Donna and Angie, and therefore wanted to stay. So, despite warnings from Angie's fiance, Lou, that the doll was in fact evil and Annabelle was not what she claimed to be, Donna and Angie gave Annabelle permission to inhabit the doll was in fact evil and Annabelle was not what she claimed to be, Donna and Angie gave Annabelle permission to inhabit the doll permanently.

After that the situation escalated again. Spirits love being squatters. Yeah, they love being invited. Yes. Now perhaps because he'd sounded the warning bells, Lou became Annabelle's focus. He began having recurring nightmares and one night awoke to find himself completely paralyzed. Sleep paralysis. Standing at the edge of the bed was who else but the floppy, raggedy and all with the big black eyes named Annabelle. Hi, you sleeping? Yeah, you trying to sleep? From what Lou told the Warrens, or at least what the Warrens said Lou told them, Annabelle slowly glided up Lou's body.

It's a nice leg. Strong shin. Thick thigh. Oh, you're not stick. You may want to watch some of that. Seven year old. No, I'm ghost illegal. I know I noticed you're now speaking like Michael Jackson.

He ignorant. Every child say for me. I know I noticed you're now speaking like Michael Jackson Before Lou knew it the floppy doll was choking him with so much force that he blacked out came his pants God Wow Wow the next day Lou and Angie were in the apartment studying maps for an upcoming road trip when the apartment got eerily quiet. Rustling was heard coming from Donna's bedroom. That's not rustling. That's rustling. Yeah. Where's that rust wrestling coming from? Hahahaha Hahahaha

Thinking it might be a burglar, Lou and Angie apprehensively checked the room There, they found only Annabelle, tossed on the floor in a corner. As soon as Lou got close to the doll though Spread eagle He felt like someone was behind him

and in a split second, Lou was doubled over in pain His shirt was quite suddenly stained with blood and when he removed it They found seven distinct claw marks on his back hot as if they had just been burned Mysteriously the wounds fully healed and disappeared within two days No Mysterious as Henry said. Also seven doesn't make sense. We're gonna get there. Yes it does because it's a special number.

Like how three, see three, and anytime you see threes it's a mockery of the trilogy of Trinity. The trilogy, no it's the diehard trilogy. Any single time you see three dots it is a mockery of the diehard trilogy But there are four diehard Count the other two. I don't count anything past I hope for the Vedges first three are obviously the best ones The other two were money grabs because Bruce Willis was having more and more advancing dementia And so I don't count those but when it's seven

It's a phone number When it's seven, it's a phone number. Well, yeah, but claws are four or three. So I guess maybe one hand had four and the other one had three. And the fourth didn't get you. Yeah. Okay, all right, I can deal with this. Cool.

Now, after the physical attacks, Donna contacted an Episcopalian priest who contacted another priest who contacted Ed and Lorraine Warren. Yeah, can you imagine hitting up an Episcopalian priest and asking him to do jack shit? He'd be like, uh, call a Catholic. I don't do anything.

We don't get paid. Yeah, this shit is chill. That's the whole reason why we're here. Yeah, I'm one of the nice ones, kind of. And the Warrens immediately knew that this was the sort of case they prayed for daily. Oh yeah, they were like, yes! They love this shit. And this is local.

This is, and again, this is when they're still just trying to make their nut. This is their first, the last one we just heard, this is just them, the last, you know, when we were kind of hearing them, they were just revving up their ghost hunting like industry. This is like their first real big get. 1970. Now during their first meeting, Angie suggested the possibility of moving to escape the entity. But as Ed would say again and again to the folks he claimed to help, moving would be a futile gesture because the spirit had already attached itself.

See, what he knew immediately that it wasn't a spirit, because he walked in there and like you know, because the thing about Ed Warren is that it's all about style so he walks in total control Total calm walks in be like hey, it's nice. See you gotta go. Oh, hey, this is a got a little ghost doll situation You know don't worry. We're gonna handle this You got any pepsi I gotta take the two at the same time cuz if not I throw up You got any pepsi? I gotta take the two at the same time because if not I throw up All right, so I went down the belly or so we're looking at it right so she's jumping back and forth And that's what he was saying is that human spirit has no power to move things so the first thing he says gotta be Damon gotta be because it's moving things back and forth no way would he fuck with you

Well if he wasn't right especially you wouldn't get physically hurt Yeah, he's hurt to the scratches, back to Daemon, right? Boom, immediately. But what he said truly was like, so what you guys did was you set up a bad situation. But the way we know that you are definitely not, like it's also smells, it's like farting,

the dolls fart, it's weird shit's going on back and forth. And he was like, you are, you're haunted by Daemon. Thing about Daemons though, they don't haunt places, they haunt people. Plus if they move, it makes his commute worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're real close to me right now. No, no, no, no, I don't wanna take the highway. When they asked if they could just destroy the doll, Ed said that didn't help either.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, that's always how they react, they're like, whoa! Because the problem was not the doll itself. I mean the doll was a doll like any other. Like it was just another Raggedy Ann doll, but it had become a vessel for a demon. If it helps, it's more or less Chucky. But with the demon instead of a serial killer.

There's nothing special about that good guy doll. It was just that that was the good guy doll that Braddorf chose to inhabit. By Ed's estimation, if these people had waited another two or three weeks, one of them would have become possessed. But one way or another, what was going on with Annabelle was the fault of the people who might have become possessed because for Ed, demonic possession was always about blame.

That's the most Catholic thing that you could kind of see. It really is. It's all, not only are you fucked, but it's your fault. He said that the responsibility for this whole scenario was on Donna and Angie because they'd given the entity recognition in the first place after the mysterious movements of the doll. Which I don't really get, because what is he saying? That if a doll is fucking flitting around the the house you're supposed to ignore it. Yes He says it's on you you gotta ignore it you have to literally just like it's you don't even talk

You don't talk about it. I'll not acknowledge it at all. That is what he says It's how you deal with ghosts and trolls where you do not give and rats anything You give them nothing you're supposed to be bored! Like what they want is, cause again, it's a demon, cause if it was a human ghost, it would be communicating with you in a more direct way, in a peaceful way, looking for, like a lot of times it's through something, whether through a Ouija board or like a pendulum. But he also said the Ouija boards were evil and... He did not!

He did not! I have clarification on that. Really? He said there's nothing wrong with a Ouija board it's just that the Ouija board more often than not if you don't know how to use it leads to issues with you with again it's on you you're the problem it's always you're not you you're not doing it right yes you know your brother send instructions it's an ancient mechanism ancient mechanism but he um so he feels if you

see any sort of activity, this is called the infestation period. Things are sort of building up. And he believes that you're, yeah, you're literally not even supposed to look at it. You're just supposed to act like it's that. If you engage with it at all, you're giving it a hold into this world.

Because all it wants is your attention, Marcus. It's all sitting there, no matter what it's doing, it's flicking back and off because it wants to say hello. It wants you to shut the light off back and forth It's playing with dick in the balls. It wants to say hello Yeah, all right, but you can't let it you can't let it Yeah, cuz then otherwise it becomes the like you can't even mention it to your wife So what happens if you're if it's playing with your dick in the balls and you're ignoring it, but you still come Yeah Blame it on your your thoughts

Oh, I must have I must have rubbed it on my jeans hard earlier today Well, he said they'd given the entity recognition in the first place. That was bad They made it worse by giving by holding the seance Ignition in the first place that was bad. They made it worse by giving by holding the seance But the worst mistake they made was giving the entity permission to enter the doll and Ed's words Doing this was like handing a maniac a loaded gun and so Ed and Lorraine It's very hyperbolic and so Ed and Lorraine took Annabelle the doll into their custody Although I'm a little unclear on how this works because Ed had just told the girls that demonic energy was attached to them in particular and moving wouldn't

help. Oh, it's because there's a bit of a jump here where he did bring in an exorcist. So when he came in with Annabelle, they had their first meeting. It was all like, you know, he talked to Annabelle, he's like, why are you doing Annabelle? You want to fuck with me? And then nothing happened, right? But then he came back with the priest they exercised the doll They did it all like they had a whole process inside of it. They exercised it all they exercised the lady

They went they did though They squirted holy water around because that's all he does because that's the thing with Ed Warren and said he also says he's immune to the phenomena He can't see it. It does not engage with him right more often than not. That's why he has to do what he calls He's got to do religious provocation, which we'll get to the next story, but he cleared it. Technically, he fixed them. He fixed them. Then he took the doll, being like, well, you guys essentially can't be responsible with this doll anymore, so I'm gonna take it. Okay, but they can just get any doll and offer it up to Annabelle. I think this take it. Okay, but they can just get any doll and offer it up to Annabelle I think this was a again. It's all about salesmanship

Yeah, Ed Warren more than anything like and hell he was looking over my shoulder and there's like a picture of it They were all through all the YouTube Content he's doing like Ed Warren is leading a tour of his little museum in his house, and he's got the sunglasses inside, he's got the big scarf on, green and purple light on him, and like, I'm sitting there, I'm like, you know what you believe, that some people think that this guy's a carny, and Natalie's like, that's a carny, unlike any carny I've ever seen,

like, that is the Lord of carnies. Yeah, he's a jerk. Yes, and so he wanted that doll to be a part of his collection. Yeah. Now, as far as possessed objects go, does it have to be something that looks like a human or could it be like a bottle of Coke or a lamp? It could be anything.

But we learned when we did our haunted dolls redux recently that it is just more, quote unquote, powerful to use a human-shaped doll. Yeah. Well, from how they told it, the demon immediately tried killing the Warrens on the drive back to their home in Monroe By causing the cars power steering and brakes to fail I mean well like cutting to him eating a crawler or like, you know, like, you know, like 44 ounce Duncan with him with like four bear claws been like with them with like four bear claws being like, I ain't even got time to sit down for fucking lunch.

Ah! Ah! Cause she's got a date oil change sticker. Ding ding ding. Yeah, yeah, engine light going off. Annabelle is stuck in the wheel. But right after Ed threw some holy water in the back seat like a father absentmindedly slapping at his noisy kids

during a road trip. No you can't! You want me to turn this car around? Back to Winnipeg! The Warrens were able to get home without further incident. Edna Reign claimed that for weeks afterwards, Annabelle's abilities expanded to levitation and it continued movement around their house. Don't you fool with Annabelle.

Listen, I'm in a city and I gotta write a letter. I gotta write a letter to Jimmy Carter and ask him honestly what's going on. But what I need you to do is not do nothing. Annabelle, you sit in that chair. You could fold down Annabelle and I'm gonna fucking tie you to the chair. And you're scraping me out. It's like a guy with a bad Bichon freeze. You get down Annabelle. Well true to form, once the Warrens were the only witnesses they claimed that Annabelle could make an ethereal black cat appear

Which would just as quickly disappear now after a year of putting up with Annabelle during which the doll supposedly tried killing a priest and Caused a necklace to explode all while terrorizing the Warren's real cat. That fucking cat has just got to be the most traumatized cat, seeing phantoms everywhere, like just all day long. Just devils, witches, and haunted brides. And it's just like, listen, I'm already a black cat. Do you think my dreams aren't scary?

Get me out of here. Call the police. Well after a year, they finally locked her away in the infamous Positively Do Not Open case where she has remained ever since. Well that fucking, that priest did treat Annabelle disrespectfully. He did pick up Annabelle. He's like, cause he tried to show that there's no power in the doll and he picked up Annabelle disrespectfully. He did pick up Annabelle. He's like, because he tried to show that there's no power in the doll, and he picked up Annabelle, and he's like, you have no power here Annabelle, and he threw it across the room, and Ed Warren was like, you're not gonna like that. You're not gonna like what she does now. And so he got into a car accident. She said Lorraine was like, be careful when you're driving on your way home.

And then the priest almost got into an accident, and then he called later on He's like why did you tell me to be careful on the road and Lorraine was like? But these are also all stories that the Warrens told No way this is not entirely accurate no one talked to the. Yeah, no one taught That's the thing about these stories. No, the priest existed. Yeah, no, that's the thing about all these stories These all come from like Ed and Lorraine Warren very rarely like sometimes you do get like the last episode like Andrea Perrone Did speak wrote a whole book about it. Yes We did too. I did get a little bit of not feedback people said we did the Perron family the Perron family dirty in Terms of not believing anything about the

haunting where she did right 3 entire books okay about the experiences they had in that House which I think it's again remembering that the spiritual world in these types of experiences with the phenomena are very very subtle and it's Ed and Lorraine Warren that create sort of a Big giant story arc about all of these things after the fact. Well, that's kind of the problem with involving Ed and Lorraine Warren It's like this is a conversation that we've been having like over the phone again again is that you said you say the Ed and Lorraine are

necessary to The paranormal world like they're sort of like sales, they're salesmanship and all that. In terms of the survival of the quote-unquote paranormal industry. And what I say is that all their involvement, every time, see for me when I hear Ed and Lorraine Warren, my first thought is bullshit. Of course. This story is bullshit because they lie, they're liars. They're the ones that give the cynics every single bit of power they have

to say no, this entire thing is Total and utter horse shit because of these people right here because of these hucksters because what we have learned so if anything I take no responsibility good But I also think with them it was never about the ghosts at all Yeah, it was all about spreading the power and message of their Savior. Yeah, which They did effectively which we'll get into savior. Yeah, which they did. Effectively, which we'll get into that next episode, but they were wildly successful. Yeah. Three books doesn't impress me.

There's seven puppet master movies. It takes hundreds of people to put together a puppet master film. Don't you talk shit about Full Moon productions on this show. You're a friend of the show. Now, while we don't have a straight debunk of the Annabelle story we can say that it shares quite a bit with one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes, one starring Kojak himself Telly Savalas. This episode released five years before the Annabelle case is titled The Living Doll.

Oh yeah I remember this episode. Now the plot revolves around a doll called Talkeie Tina who terrorizes an infertile stepfather played by Tali Savalas Who takes out his rage about being infertile on his young stepdaughter? I've seen some documentaries Begin with that scenario to begin with that scenario But then of course this the the man leaves and then somebody else comes in who's not in not infertile And they're infertiles. Not infertile. Well infertile is different than impotent. Yeah, no, no, I know that.

I want a baby! Gimme, gimme, can you make this shoot shoot? So anyway, after the doll starts talking shit directly to Tally Savalas because he's being mean to the little girl, he tries destroying it in a number of ways, but Taki Tina always comes back through blowtorch, vice and circular saw. Taki Tina. I love you. Tally's a ball.

That guy Taki Tina. God damn. If you weren't a little doll, what I do to you. Finally Telly's wife is about to leave him because Telly's obsession with the doll has gone off the rails. Finally, he begins to think maybe it's all in his head and he gives the doll back to his stepdaughter if they promise not to leave. But that night talkie Tina causes Telly's death by tripping him at the top of the staircase. The mother finds his body and picks up the doll who tells her my name's talkie Tina and

you'd better be nice to me. You got to do the like my name is talkie Tina and you better be nice to me. No, you got to do it the way like my name is talking to you. And you'd better be nice to me. Unfortunately, I just did it for Annabelle. So I feel like I had to change. It had to be different. My name's talking to you and you better be nice to me. Yeah. I think I really disliked when Tina was talking. Now, yes, a TV show that aired five years before the Annabelle incident is no more proof of plagiarization than the Outer Limits alien episode aired just before the Betty and Barney Hill abduction is.

But the connection is that the name of the mother and the evil doll episode of the Twilight Zone was Annabelle. Sure. But that might've come from the people who had the doll originally. No, it might have come from the people originally, possibly. I don't know. That's one of those where haunted dolls and haunted objects have been around forever. So I'm not really that, like, I don't think he stole it necessarily from the Twilight Zone in terms of the structure of the story.

I just think that it's, they thought someone had a creepy doll, they moved it around, and then he basically, uh, took that and ran with it. But they didn't name the doll Annabelle. Remember, Annabelle came up in the seance. That's right. But that came from the medium. If that story's true. If that story's true.

We don't know if any of this story's true. No, of course not. But I do believe, they are, there were witnesses to Annabelle, but they all, they, again, they all just came from the mind of Ed Warren and Lorraine. I didn't think about it like that. But yeah, it's just coming from them. And furthermore, it's all like that. So they get plenty of witnesses and like, well, who told you about the witnesses? Ed and Lorraine. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Well, furthermore, concerning the credibility of Annabelle back in twenty back in 2022 she made an appearance at a paranormal convention hosted by Nesper and organized by the current caretaker of

the Warren's Occult Museum. That organizer was the Warren's son-in-law, Tony Sparra, who has taken the mantle of a paranormal guru since both the Warrens died. Even though the alleged demon inside Annabelle was said by the Warrens for years to be among the most dangerous in their custody, Tony still brought this artifact into a room full of potential possession victims. Honestly, if he possessed five people in that room, that's extremely good for business. That's why he did it.

If it just turned into a rash of Annabelle duplic Annabelle duplicates in a room, that's like that's awesome. All right, Annabelle, we got one more shot at this. It's a big show. It's an industry showcase. I'm going to give it all you got, Annabelle.

Perhaps most telling is the side business Tony built around Annabelle. Quite recently, Tony sold his own brand of vodka called the Herodin Vodka Paranormal Reserve, which is said to have been aged in bottles next to the Annabelle doll. How does it mean anything? No, they were, they fucking left a bunch of bottles of vodka near a doll.

That doesn't make any sense. If you had, if Annabelle was soaking in the vodka, that'd be awesome. That'd be great. if you had if Annabelle was soaking in the vodka That'd be the Annabelle reserve that'd be awesome. Yeah, I am bottle of vodka with like a little floating And cheekily the vodka was limited to a run of 666 bottles And it came in a bespoke case with a Ouija board etched on the lid That's awesome actually. Now that I've made fun of it. It was like $300.

Alright, nevermind. In other words, the current caretakers of Annabelle don't take her anywhere near as seriously as the Warrens claim to, and that's if the Warrens ever took her seriously at all. Whoa, it's still $199. It's $199. Each bottle. Each bottle is $199. Yes, it's got a

box it comes in this and Ouija box among the artifacts in the museum or human skull. This is him talking about how it was in the museum and it was made in the museum doesn't make any sense. Each bottle includes gloves for handling and protection. I forgot it comes with rubber gloves. It comes with magic gloves. That's awesome. It's just pop off poured in different bottles. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. This is fucking bottom shelf.

But when it comes to hoaxes, nothing compares to the most infamous case of the Warren's career. This is their dangerous. The year was 1976. Computers were nowhere. Ah, computers were nowhere. America, 200 years old. Ha! It was the Bicentennial!

The paranormal revolution that swept the nation during that decade was in full swing, and the entire world was about to hear of the existence of a little town in Long Island called Amityville. Oh, sweet, sweet Long Island. Get out. Amityville, which means friendly town. Doesn't it? Oh, just like Amity Island. Now, as we extensively covered many years ago

on our Amityville series, in which we mostly focused on the murders, a young man named Ronnie Butch DeFeo murdered his parents and four siblings in a single night, which we mostly focused on the murders, a young man named Ronnie Butch DeFeo murdered his parents and four siblings in a single night, moving from room to room with the.35 caliber rifle, supposedly because demonic voices had told him to do so. Remember his sister helped? Well that was the, that's the theory.

Never been proven, but the theory is that his sister helped. But the gunshots, did it wake up the other people in the other room That's the theory that's the demons. Yeah That's why they didn't wake up because it'd be demons Yeah, make them go to sleep make them very restful memory foam demons. Yeah, or they have silencers No, no, you did not have a silencer. He did not have a silencer. The demon was the silencer Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay.

A year later, a year after the murders, just a year, a couple named George and Kathy Lutz moves into the DeFeo home with their children, claiming that the disturbingly recent murders didn't bother them at all because it gave them a chance to get a great deal on a nice house in a good neighborhood. Oh, very much so. They bought that house for $50,000. Geez. It is a beautiful house. house. Crazy property in Long

Island. Do you know where it is Rob? I know where it is. I've been there. Yeah you've been there. I've visited the Amityville house or at least I stood on the sidewalk across the street and this is a nice neighborhood. Amityville itself is quite nice although everyone definitely knew why me and Carolina were in Amityville that day. Of course., they know everybody who's on the block Yeah, yeah They're all they know everybody who lives in the neighborhood and they know all the looky-loos who come and I imagine they put up It knows no fence. There's no fit. No, they were having a fucking barbecue, dude But didn't they also redo the sides and stuff like they don't have the cool like the other I've sold the distinctive windows are still there The windows are gone. Yeah, they pulled it all out. Did they

clean the blood off the walls? No. No. Again, that was a part of the thing. I did find it interesting that the Lutzes and I don't know, is this true that they used all of the DeFeo's furnishing? I can't remember if that was in the movie or if there was, I think they did end up using a lot of their same furniture. Yeah, they use this. I believe that that is true, but I don't know side stories LP OTA all the Gma.com is every story We talk about today gonna be a Simpsons episode Famously the supposed ordeal that George and Kathy Lutz suffered after moving into the Amityville house was chronicled in a book by author Jay Anson called the Amityville, which was subsequently turned into a wildly successful film franchise. And so, as with the other stories, let's first cover the official version.

Yes, this is the Amityville is real, the haunting is real, and we're gonna go with it for now! Now the Lutzes claim, but even before they'd spent a single night in the house the strange occurrences began. Because of the murders they'd asked a priest named Father Beccararo to bless the house on the day they moved in. But when the priest entered the room where DeFeo's two younger brothers had been killed, he heard a voice telling him to… Get out. The priest said that he didn't tell the Lutzes about the voice, but did advise them to not use that space as a bedroom.

I would feel like, I'd be like, if you actually heard a voice saying get out, it's not about the one room buddy, it's about the house. Yeah, it's definitely about the house. And they they did indeed listen and instead turned it into Kathy's sewing room they openly were they were full atheists the Lutzes they did not believe in anything according to the let's fill it with needles now if you go off Ronnie DeFeo's early claims in which he said that demons made him kill off his entire family the infestation of the DeFeo home had begun long before the Lutzes arrived. There was belief that the DeFeo family was experiencing things in the home which

is why they went and go they went and bought this like idol this religious idol that he thought quote unquote this is again according to the words that they bought this religious idol to protect the home. And then they would go on to surround the home with these garish statues. And that's not just because the DeFeos had a shitty Italian taste of decoration. It's because it was to protect the house. And it's not, yeah, it's not just gaudy,

weird marble things that I guess are just given to families in Long Island. And in Queens. What were the idols? weird marble things that I guess are just given to families in Long Island. What were the idols like a Virgin Mary and not saying Peter and very, very Italian outdoors of a CC. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sitting there with a bunch of squirrels and birds and yeah, it's going like, and you guys got any money? Yeah. And it's supposedly the whole thing resulted like the whole thing culminated with the demon possessing Ronnie DeFeo and Ronnie DeFeo

Murdering the entire family because of the demon. Nevertheless, the Lutzes experience started small Conveniently following Ed Warren's demon possession timeline Strange smells ranging from bile to perfume began emanating from different parts of the house Hundreds of flies infested the sewing room despite it being the middle of winter. Black stains appeared on the toilets and green slime ran down the walls. You got slime, Henry. I do have slime.

It is a thing that comes up quite often which is called an apportation, according to Ed Warren. Apportation? Apportation! Aition apportation a Apportation yeah, well things then allegedly turned physical Kathy Lutz was touched on multiple occasions and George was awoken every night at 315 a.m Which was the alleged time of the DeFeo murders?

It's also 3 a.m. See 9 to 6 of the busy hours for ghosts. This is true 9 p.m. To 6 a.m That's that's when ghosts are on shift. And that's when they're most powerful. 3pm is ghosts lunch. Which is why, 3am, that's a ghosts lunch period, which is why they are most busy in our homes. Yeah, and when his sleep apnea kicked in. George then began having visions, seeing his wife as an old hag. And Cathy even allegedly levitated above their bed. Deciding they needed spiritual guidance, the Lutzes once again contacted Father Pecoraro, who refused to step foot back in the house after his first experience. With no one else to turn to,

the Lutzes packed up after 28 days and moved in with Cathy's mother on another part of Long Island. Another win for a Long Island mother. This is where Ed and Lorraine Warren into the picture, and by this point they'd become quite the media savvy pair. They arrived with a psychic named Alex Tanis and a reporter from a local news station, and together they were going to perform a seance to attempt contact with the spirits infesting the Amityville house. Now according to Ed Warren, the second that he got a call about the Amityville house,

things were going wrong in his own home. Things were like, the telephone was going off and he'd pick it up and go, hello? No one there. He said one of the worst things is that he knew something was wrong. So when he arrived at the Amityville house and was walking up the stairs He tripped He never trips He says it said he was like I know because you see my feet are too small to trip Oftentimes it's like my toes actually get out of way on my feet before they're even in the way

So it's actually a little many times. Oh, it's actually extremely it's actually impossible for me to fall down I don't know he can he seems a little He's got the little legs in the gigantic belly which feel these feet Touch my legs touch my legs you tell me this is the legs of a big thick Italian boy Actually, those are pretty deep. He does have pretty strong legs This is I you don't think I don't have if you want to know something about Ed Warren's body. It's you it's here Yeah, like if you want to know, same size. I bet you, if he had like outside of the Chinese theater, if he had his hand prints and his

footprints in there. It would fit. I know exactly the same. All right. Exactly the same size. Well, strip. Excuse me. Let me take off my spanks.

It's going to take 45 minutes. Now if you'll remember Lorraine Warren was the psychic of the pair who was sensitive to both spirits and auras Everywhere she went when she entered the Amityville house She said that she felt an immediate and overwhelming sense of dread saying that it was the deepest and closest to hell She ever wanted to get she when they went in Lorraine, so she's obsessed with this guy. So anything that's from Italy, Lorraine trusts implicitly. So she was just like, I was under the spiritual tutelage of a saint by the name of Padre Pio.

And I saw him. Look at these pictures. And they show all these pictures of Padre Pio. He's just an old man with a hood on. He's like, can you see the holiness coming from him? He was from the Vatican. And I held his symbol close to me, knowing, oh, Padre Pio, you will save me.

You will protect me. And all you hear is like, see. See, Lorraine. I will protect you with my body. He's like, ooh, aye, aye, aye, Padre Pio. Mm, aye, aye, aye, indeed. But then Ed Warren walked in, because first of all, she's holding,

she's clutching this, and you can see in these pictures, she's clutching, she's looking around, very scary. Ed Warren's like, I'm going right to the center of the hole, I'm going to the center of the hurricane. So he was like, I'm going down to the main. Didn't understand any of that. Yeah, I'm going down to the hurricane. Honestly, if you spend hours.

He's going to the center of the hurricane. If you listen to Ed Warren talk, honestly, he does not say full words. Like it is, I'm now discovering that's what the Connecticut accent is. It's mush mouth. Yeah. And so he went down there and he was like,

this was all the same before. He's like, he's hunting quail. He's like, the way you gotta get the attention of a demon. Religious provocation. So you go in there and go, oh, I love Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus, he's a good man of mine. I love that buddy, he's my best friend. You go down, he went downstairs,

and he showed, so he does this, because he does, he barely sees ghosts, but he knows a way to get a demon to jump at you is that you throw a cross everywhere, and you basically just throw holy water into the air and go, come at me, Damien! He's the first ghost bro. Yeah, he is.

He really is a ghost bro. No, he goes in screaming. It's an aggressive thing. And so he says here, he went down to the basement and he was like, and I felt the single most repressive piece of spiritual activity I've ever experienced, like a hundred needles pushed me down in the ground. And then Ed Warren did his patented,

which he calls his religious resistance. And this is completely legitimate, where he goes, religious resistance. And he goes, the power of Christ means that you will not, the power of Christ means you will let me go, the power of Christ means you will not touch me anymore. And he's like, demons are so scared of the holiness of Ed Warren

demons run away Literally saying religious resistance Which is amazing God but he said then he came out of the basement of the Amityville Horror House and just was like, we gotta go and got everybody out. Now, of course, nothing happened when they finally did film the seances.

And three representatives from the American Psychical Foundation and the Psychical Research Foundation determined there was nothing paranormal in the house. There were a lot of Psychical Foundations in the 70s. Psychical was a word that they used to give paranormal activity a scientific kind of sound. They were trying. They were trying real hard. I'm not saying that facetiously. I'm just saying it's like they tried, psychical was that they tried to get that to catch on like, you know, Ghostbusters where they're studying at a university until they lose their funding.

You've never been in the private sector. They expect results. Yeah, now these are the guys that were the ghosts. These are the guys of the American Psychical Foundation. Those are the guys of the Ghostbusters before they get fired. Okay. But the Warrens did take a series of photos and they claimed that in one photo they captured the ghost of one of the DeFeo children. Now the photo is extremely creepy,

appearing to show a little boy with glowing eyes peeking out from behind a banister. It's in black and white, it's everything you want from a ghost photo. But it is generally believed that the photo is actually of one of the Warren's assistants, a guy named Paul Bartz. He just had a tiny head.

Yeah, he's a little man. Yeah, he's a little guy. And happen to look when the flight because they always put the flash on it like the highest possible level oh they do he says that you have to yes he goes that's what Ed Warren says look yeah of course but that's the thing is that by doing that he's creating the conditions to make a little wipe up he's doing photography badly that's how you get ghosts that's how you see ghosts. He also, do you know there's a second photo

from Amityville House? So when I was going through all the footage, there's a second photo and you see Lorraine Warren in a room and you see there is a moose head on the wall and she swears and she's like, and if you look close in this capture you see

within the horns, she called them horns and if you look close, in this capture you see within the horns, she called them horns, the face of Padre Pio. And you just see this thing where she swears as the face of Padre Pio watching over her from the horns of the moose. Then you see the very end of this horn, this little thing. And she's like, you have to notice, Eddie's like, if you notice right here,

right at the very top, right at the end of the antler, little head, and if you lost right here, but at the very top right at the end of the antler Little head and if you see what they is that not? Ronnie DeFeo And if you look at the end of this moose's horn, you will see there is a little head I'll show it to you. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, cuz Ronnie DeFeo is in prison at this point He point. Is it like in that fucking episode of Twin Peaks where Josie turns into the fucking? Yeah. She's captured inside. I still think it's bad photography.

But it was. It's just funny where he's just like, it's the look on his face. He's so happy. He's so happy. So he's talking to Tony Sparrow in all of these various videos. And he's like, if you just look, he's talking to Tony Sparrow in all of these various videos. He's like if you just look he's like right there little I'd it's that That's what seals it like he's just so excited

You can't even argue against that no he doesn't let you Now the photo was not shown publicly until 1979 when Kathy and George Lutz were on the Merv Griffin show promoting the big budget movie adaptation of the Amityville horror, which we've all seen. It's fucking Margot Kidder. It's great. James Garner. Brolin.

Josh Brolin. Yeah, yeah, James Brolin. Yeah, they're all great. He's great. He plays such a good like classy maniac Yeah, cuz that's like back in the day with beards meant you were crazy And here is where we get to the real story now It is very possible that there was some sort of paranormal

Activity going on in this house if you're was gonna be a place where there was gonna be Paranormal activity would be if you believe in the idea that trauma creates ghosts that's where it would be. Yeah, but when you start listening to the people involved in publicizing the story it's safe to say that it was not the portal to hell that Lorraine Warren claimed it to be. Allegedly the entire scheme to push the DeFeo home as a haunted house of unimaginable horrors was created by Ronnie DeFeo's defense attorney, William Weber. See if you'll remember, the Lutzes moved into the house just a year after the murders, and Ronnie DeFeo hadn't yet gone to trial. In fact, he was planning on pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. They were going to use the demon angle. Now this story is a little convoluted because it is an idiotic plan. It helps when the plan is also fucking stupid and you're

trying to kind of describe it. But William Webber approached the Lutz family with a book contract saying that a ghost story based around the DeFeo case could somehow help DeFeo's defense and the Lutz's could make a pretty penny in the process. But there's going to be a murderer on the loose that loves killing people in your home. Yes, yes, but think about the book deal. That just leads to more book deals, buddy. If he comes back and kills everybody again. No, no, no, no, no. Go to the hospital. You'll never have to deal with him.

He'll never come back. He's not coming back here. Now, the original deal was that a writer named Paul Hoffman was going to take 40% of the profits while Weber, who was the defense attorney, George and Kathy Lutz and two other people involved in the deal, they would all take 12% each. And as this was before the son of Sam laws, which prevented criminals from profiting off their crimes, each one of those people would shave off a little bit off of their own percentage to make sure that Ronnie DeFeo ended up with 5%. But in a case of the grifter

getting grifted, the Lutzes were savvy enough to deny the deal but steal the idea, and they took the story to writer Jay Anson for a far more lucrative 50-50 split this is the one family because normally that this is always a criticism that comes up is all the money That's made after these types of stories and how people like Financially profit from stories of their homes being haunted and this is the one where the lots is yes They did make out pretty handsomely, but is it worth it to make that much money for what it then does to Destroy your entire life after the fact so it depends on how what's your price? Well, that's your price of never having a normal life ever again, but it's the same question that people ask like a criminal

It's like isn't it easier to just get a job than it is to steal cars Isn't it easier to just get a job than it is to steal cars? Oh, there's so much Which is essentially a lifelong con job Difficult than being an accountant. Yeah, except I put physically couldn't be one Yeah, but that's it's that that's the question people ask but people still do it Yeah, sure like it man when I worked at the poor house everyone There was like ten owners and they all would come in the office and kick Me out and then I come back and there'd be less money I always had a joke that if none of the owners stole from each other, they'd all make the same amount of money

And so after the publication of the Amityville horror a legal battle ensued with the original of the Amityville horror a legal battle ensued with the original deal makers and de Feo's lawyer came out and said that the entire story was A hoax created between himself and the Lutzes over many bottles of wine And it could be the hell the Lutzes might has like yes, you know Some really weird shits happening in this house and then it just you know sort of goes from there It gets bigger and bigger and bigger until it becomes the story of the Amityville horror But the real story is probably just some real weird shit happening here Well, then you have the two most inflated the Colonel Parkers of the paranormal world Ed and Lorraine Warren who can show up and can be like hey, they annoy you they know they don't know like this house

Here's the brand Warren's brand now we we can do a bunch of shit with this. They remind me a lot of Otho from Beetlejuice. It's just this idea that they can come in and they're like, there's money here. I realize, as an adult, because Beetlejuice, when I was a kid, I'm watching it, and it's all fun and games because I'm just thinking about Beetlejuice. But then you realize, no, it's actually kind of like this funny concept about monetizing the paranormal. Like these like these Ameri-

these like stupid New York yuppies like wanting to turn everything into a hustle and they're doing the same thing. They just were, they were an exploitive managers of ghosts and they figured out how to basically turn them all out like the Jacksons. Yep. And ghosts are great talent because you don't gotta pay You don't gotta pay them. They don't gotta get a cut Yeah, I mean and there needs to be some form of goth cop that can get in there and can get in between these Conmen and ghosts. Yeah the goth ACLU there has to be the goth ACLU that can arrive act as ghosts maybe just be

Kind of I know undercover as ghosts and show me like oh my god I'm chill to the grave Damien. Yes You know like just fucking get their asses dude because they're fucking trying to drink ghost milkshake That's right. Well, even Ronnie DeFeo himself the mass murderer He said that the story was created by his lawyer in a bid to both bolster the insanity plea and make a large amount of money in the process. Later saying that he never heard any demons at all. And DeFeo has never really like settled on why he did it. He's like, yeah, I killed my old fucking family. And sometimes he'll say like, yeah, I did it with my sister. And sometimes he'll say like, yeah, I did it because they

were going to cut me out of the will. And you know, he just, he changes that. Yeah, I did it because I was doing a whole shit load of acid at the time. Yeah, he was. He was. He was doing a lot of acid. Well, the lawsuit was settled at a court, but in the end, the person who made the most money off Amityville was Jay Anton. As of today, the book is sold upwards of 10 million copies and the movie is still one of the highest

grossing horror movies of all time. And that's just the first Amityville. There are how many? Five? I think there's a bunch. It was a remake too. Yeah, and multiple remakes. Yeah.

The Lutzes, however, did not make quite as much money as you'd expect them to. In all, they ended up with about $200,000. That's about a million bucks in today's currency It's pretty good, but nowhere near the 50-50 split. They were promised they did however make many paid appearances over the years So there was that they got theirs Yeah, they got there a little chunk of their story for themselves, but that was weirdly how the Warrens were both Evil and not evil were like they made sure you get a cut a cut yeah like if we're gonna do this con you get some yeah but the third party to benefit off the Amityville story was of course Ed and Lorraine Warren even

though they were only involved briefly they were the voices that lent credibility to the story and talking about Amityville became a reliable moneymaker for the Warrens not to mention what it did for their reputation. Additionally, the Warrens also made a good chunk of change working as consultants for the Amityville Horror Part 2. Oh, yeah. You ever see Part 2? I'm certain I've seen all of them. It's one of those where...

This is an entirely... Yes, this is an entirely like Amityville Horror 1 original great haunted house film. The rest are kind of bleh. I put them in the same category as the psycho sequels Yeah, and house two. I liked house two People under the stairs too People under the stairs too is bad But when it came to the Warrens and movie adaptations none Oversold their involvement more than the sequel to The Conjuring.

They just... that's all packaging and marketing. God. So The Conjuring 2 took Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga, the actors who played Ed Lorraine Warren, across the Atlantic to the UK, where they were portrayed as central characters in what I consider to be the most credible haunting in modern history. That's just my opinion, but it's what I consider. That is the case of the Enfield poltergeist. I put it up there as one of my favorites.

Now, we just recently revisited the Enfield case on our new show! Last update on the love. Ha ha! But if you don't subscribe or you just don't fucking feel like it, don't worry about it. We did do an extensive full two-part series Yes, we did. So you can just go listen to that. There's a lot of stuff on Enfield. Yeah, our statements on Enfield and Amityville have already been expressed. Yeah, and not to get people to not listen to our show, but the the Apple show was awesome.

The Apple TV documentary about Enfield is incredible. It was wonderful. That's the whole reason why we- pretty much the update is just us talking about that. Yeah, it's great. I love that documentary series. The broad strokes of the Enfield story is that a divorcee named Margaret Hodson and her four children living in council housing in the London suburbs were haunted by a poltergeist starting in August of 1977. Soon after the story hit the papers, two legitimate and credible investigators named Guy Playfair

and Maurice Gross got involved. And Maurice Gross was another true stylistically important member of the paranormal society. They all kind of look like you. Just a bit. It's like if you put all of them together, it's you. Yeah. Wow. With the convertible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think

it was Maurice gross. It was a guy play for drove the convertible guy play for no Maurice gross drove the convertible. You drove the convertible as you got to do. He's having fun with it. He was the fun guy. He, they all liked him best though. He's the kind of guy you don't see coming. Right. Maurice gross. You know, whether you don't think you're going to fuck that guy, but the thing is, yeah's got a handleball mustache, and he's got sort of mr. Monopoly hair The thing is he goes down like a fucking demon You don't think you don't eat pussy like it's a fucking ghost. He wants a kiss Well over a period of 14 months play fair and gross conducted the most in-depth and convincing

Investigation into a case of paranormal activity ever documented. I believe that they did what the Warrens wish they could have done. They did more than the Warrens ever wish they could have done. Well the Warrens didn't want to do it. Well they didn't believe in the scientific process. No they didn't believe in the scientific process. The Warrens had their way of doing things which they believed was the only way of doing things and their way of doing things was based entirely on faith while Playfair and Gross, their way of doing things was based entirely on faith while play

fair and gross their way of doing things was based entirely on what can we prove. Yes. They were sitting there with a recorder every fucking day. Yes. No, no, they were putting in the work. They didn't just shit because the Warrens just show up, they yell a bunch and then they leave. That's not investigation.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't see it. Somebody who's very little prepared, who arrives and improvises a great deal and he might be a bit different body than other men. It doesn't make him a con man or someone who doesn't deserve a beautiful wife and a home and a life. But since the Enfield Poltergeist case became such big news in the UK, word of the story eventually got back to Ed and Lorraine Warren who arrived

on the Hodgson's doorstep unannounced and uninvited right in the middle of the investigation. The Conjuring 2 portrayed this situation as a holy war between the Warrens and the evil spirit, which also involved the painting of a nun which spun off into two highly profitable nun movies as a part of the ever-expanding conjuring universe there is no actual story tied to Ed Warren's painting of a nun none of that is real none of it is connected to any no about no final battle between the Warrens No painting of a nun in the fucking Hodgson Hodgson's house That is mark did not happen. Ask me how many of those movies I saw how many of those movies you see none

Doesn't stop there Let me see your balls, old man. Come on, let me see your father's balls. I didn't even make it through the first one. The nun is... It was so bored. Natalie left the theater as I was watching it. I fell asleep, she went outside and went on her phone for 20 minutes outside of the theater. After I came, I fell asleep.

In fact, the Warrens spent exactly one day at the Hodgson house before being chased off after proving themselves to be, in Guy Playfair's opinion, cynical opportunists. From what Playfair recalled about his conversation with the Warrens, Ed boasted that he could help Playfair make a lot of money in this case if he played his cards, right and play fair Remembered thinking that that was all he needed to know about Ed and Lorraine Warren sounds like a fucking nerd to me This fucker and cut! Oh yeah, and this fat idiot shows up and now you get fucked 10%! I mean, Guy Playfair did write the book on the Enfield Bolter guys, but he did like, he like so undersold the story in the first... He's British.

Yeah, he undersold the story quite a bit. He's British. He didn't know. He didn't know the power of storytelling. Ed Warren, again, Colonel Parker of Ghosts, he just shows up and gets his 10%? Yeah. Yeah, he told Ed, Playfair told Ed that money wasn't their goal. And after the Warrens had a spirited and friendly discussion with Maurice Gross, they actually play it in the documentary

and it's just the three of them just bullshitting in the kitchen. Oh yeah. Yep. The Warrens left, never to return. One day. The story told in the pro-Warren biography, The Demonologist, however, is altogether different. You know, I've been reading The Demonologist, and I will say, and also was reading The Devil in Connecticut, poorly written books, but we know what's nice is with how poorly written they are, much more easy to follow than most of the esoteric books I read. I wouldn't call these books esoteric though.

I'm just saying in terms, but Ed Warren does teach you his process throughout these books. Sure, because it's extraordinarily oversimplified and it's all based on faith. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. You know, I can't help but think,

so they went all the way to Europe to do this, all the way to London or whatever to see the Enfield poltergeist. Yeah. You think they did anything else? They had a vacation. They had a vacation. It was a work vacation, buddy.

Boom, done, work vacation. Yeah, yeah, literally out of there one day and the rest of it's all expenses paid. Go to the stupid Ferris wheel, go and I'll be like, would you even believe that? I can't even believe it. The beer's warm. Well, Ed blamed the phenomenon on the mother being divorced and being on welfare and additionally blamed the girls for using a Ouija board. Ed also claimed that he investigated the haunting for a week instead of what it really was, which was one conversation in the kitchen. We're going to see his involvement in these stories and all these things. This is going to be a trope.

Yeah, it's going to he's going to exaggerate more and more as we go Yeah, and you will also see that the more he is actually involved in the story the worst things are Well in his version of the infield poltergeist He claimed that the girls described seeing black cloudy figures manifest out of thin air This claim is especially galling because from what I can remember from the hundreds of hours of tapes recorded in the Hodgson house, I don't remember them ever talking about spirit manifestations, much less demonic cloud monsters. No, no, they didn't say any of that shit. There was actually a fairly compelling haunting story that involved all the fishy stuff was her jumping and there was like the story of

them, you know, cornering the girls and one of them sort of admitting that they were making it up but that even was done behind closed doors and was super weird. It was with that, the puppeteer guy, the ventriloquist. Yeah, the ventriloquist cornered a couple of little girls, got a couple of little girls alone in a room and convinced them to say that everything was a hoax. Because guess what? All you have to do is throw your voice across the room and all this going like, yeah, I made it up. And they're like the other girls like, that's amazing.

And he's like, see, it didn't move my mouth. I didn't open my zipper either. That's what I liked about Playfair and Gross too. He's like, yeah, we did. They did try hoaxing a lot of it. They were very bad at it. Yeah, they were dumb. They were bad at it.

They were a couple of little girls. There was a ton of shit that they did not hoax. But really, Ed's claims about their involvement at Enfield are relatively harmless lies. But that was not the case two years later, in 1980, when the Warrens became involved with the case of young David Glatzel. This was the infamous Devil Made Me Do It case, which was a straight up murder portrayed in The Conjuring 3. Now to give credit where credit is due, much of the information about this case comes from the highly recommended Netflix documentary The Devil On Trial, which very much shows how intensely traumatized a person can become after going through a so-called exorcism.

This is one of my favorite parts about this series, is that there's so many angles of information, you can really see where everybody's bias lives. Because Ed Warren and Lorraine Warren, they have all of their versions of the stories are heavily documented, and they put it down beat by beat by beat by beat. What's nice about this one is that you got the courts involved.

So you have to have, there is some outside eyeballs on this story. And Amityville as well also got the courts involved as well. Yeah, so there's some outside eyeballs looking at this. So it's really interesting. I don't know what happened. We talk about exorcisms all the time. Most of the time it seems to be a really good way to just torture a child for a bunch of weeks. David Glatzel was 11 years old in 1980, and he claimed to have his first run-in with the devil at the home of his sister Debbie and her boyfriend Arnie. After seeing visions of an evil old man, Glatzel claimed that one night he was violently pushed

back on his bed, then saw what looked like the sort of devil one might see in a 70s Halloween Costume, you know the red bodysuit the horns the cape the pitchfork But the eyes glatzel said were black as a chunk of coal and David again 11 years old or Adam Sandler and dirty work with me. Sorry. That immediately got in there. But the eyes Glatzel said were black as a chunk of coal and David again 11 years old felt as if the devil himself was coming for his soul.

Now since David was from a Catholic family, his mother called their local priest to bless the house. This, however, seemed to only make the entity angrier. David's behavior became worse, and before the Gladsels knew it, Ed and Lorraine Warren, still riding high off Amityville, they were knocking on the door. Now the Gladsels found the Warrens to be quite affable,

the sort of people you could trust, which is how most people saw the Warrens. They said Ed was down to earth. Yeah. Lorraine, just wispy enough to talk to. Mm-hmm. But Ed, possibly overconfident after tasting a bit of fame, he went all in on attacking the supposed demon

from the word go. Oh yeah, dude. Now Ed started questioning young David Glatzel, provoking what was there. After religious talk, holy water, and the invocation of Christ's name, Ed got the entity good and angry, then asked it to knock three times if it had the power. According to some members of the Glatzel family, this supposedly happened. Three knocks powerful enough to shake the whole house came soon after Ed's request.

Meanwhile, Lorraine had been, quote unquote, discerning the vibrations of the family, trying to figure out who all the demon had attached to. This is when Lorraine pointed to David and said that there was a large dark mass standing next to the little boy. It was, as they suspected, a demon! And this absolute declaration terrified everyone present. See, this was a pattern. This was a show that they had built that they walk in.

They he does he does confront the demon. But Lorraine is a really interesting sidekick because like Ed's all in your face. It's very kind of like an actual magic show. He's kind of, he's being super gregarious and funny and engaging, and directly really intense and yelling at you. Lorraine's walking around clenching her chest

like this mysterious person. They do this each time where they kind of split up. She goes, walks around the house. He talks directly to the daemon. She comes back back in the room and apparently it's all this where she goes up to Ed as her questioning she goes like whispers in his ear like remember when 9-eleven yeah when he went up to him being like hey you gotta stop reading this book I know this book is great but something's going on but she goes up she's like there's the demon right there.

Like she comes up right next to him as he's talking to him and it's this whole like, everyone's like, no, Jack, they fucking did it. It's a good show. Yeah, and continuing his spiel, Ed told the family that David was already in the oppression stage of possession, the second stage, in which the demon speaks to him

and urges him to do things that are out of character The next stage was possession and that explained in David's presence what they could expect if and when that happened But before anyone could do anything about this demon David's mother had to document everything that happened so they could formally request an exorcism from the Catholic Church So in other words the Warren showed up exorcism from the Catholic Church. So in other words, the Warrens showed up, scared the hell out of the Glatzel family, and left them with a boatload of Vatican paperwork to fill out. I fucking hate paperwork. Oh man, and Vatican paperwork, which is literally printed on the skin of children,

oh my god. It's so hard to write on. Catholic paperwork is so fucking annoying. Oh I bet, because you're like, I thought, doesn't God know everything? Can't God fucking handle this fucking paperwork? Why does God make me have to do his signature? Doesn't God know I'm fucking here? Yeah, man.

I had to become a Godfather recently. Oh, I had to do that garbage too. And they sent me a thing in the mail, and it's like, if this is bent, then it doesn't ... If you crease this piece of paper, then it's all null and void. And it's like, I don't believe in God. Yeah, dude. If I crease this paper, God should straighten it out. Well, predictably soon after Ed and Lorraine's visit, David Glassall did indeed appear to

become possessed. He raged and screamed almost constantly, made demonic noises, growled, cursed out his family. Eventually he would physically attack anyone who came near him. He started choking himself to the point of passing out. If you watch the documentary, like, he was a, I mean, cause that's the thing, he was like 11, 12, but he was a big 11, 12. I know that story. Yeah, he had a lot of meat. He really had quite a lot of meat.

He was a big boy. He did kind of like, I feel like this is probably very similar to what Tom Hanks had to deal with with chat. We he was a uncontrollable. We had just kept thinking that last night when I was watching from the stream was thinking about bad things happen to heavy children. He was he was a meaty boy, but according to Ed Warren, you wouldn't even believe. If you look at the size of his father, of course he's going to be that big. His father was Grizzly Adams, but he couldn't even keep the little boy down on the bed when he was jumping up and down.

He was talking about this concept that like, because he was, the dad was big. Yeah, he was huge. The dad was big. And he said that like, it took six grown men to keep the little boy on the bed It's puberty. Yeah as a result family members took shifts so they could keep an eye on David lest he hurt himself or someone else and David sister's boyfriend Arnie Johnson. He would also take shifts Arnie Johnson the boyfriend He completely bought into every single bit of this.

What a good guy. The fowl. Yeah. We'll find out. I love that. The father, however, was working two jobs and he wasn't home much, so he more or less stayed out of it. But around the time the family started sitting with David in shifts, his mother once again

contacted the Warrens. Ed naturally said that David was now absolutely possessed. And if this continued, the devil himself was going to destroy their family and someone would quite possibly wind up dead by the end of it. she's doing her own exorcisms on David as they go. Mm-hmm. This of course led to even more panic, but the Warrens managed to fast track the paperwork and a minor exorcism was approved.

Actually, three minor exorcisms were approved. You know that, right? He had three? There's minor and major exorcisms, there's baby exorcisms, and there's fucking big time exorcisms. Is it for adults and children? No, it's like one's considered like a half step measure that's sort of like an appetizer to an exorcism.

Hey, how about you stop this? Hey listen, we've all been kind of talking about this and we feel like you're bumming people out. You know, like, but then they do a big one. But apparently it takes less paperwork to get a small one. Yeah. Now David Glatzel, who still believes wholeheartedly that he was possessed, he says that the last thing he remembered concerning the exorcism was the beginning of the ritual, which starts with the recitation of the Lord's Prayer. It was said that the room then got cold, which was followed by David entering full-on possession mode, growling, jerking, and such and such.

Supposedly when a priest named Father Virgulgo lock and if I'm getting a fucking exorcism I want father virgo lock to do it. Oh, no, I definitely want to cling on He placed a crucifix on David's forehead and it supposedly sizzled and David turned blue as his tongue swelled up in his mouth This is in you were telling me something about how these things work, like these things that people see, these incredible things that people see. It's also happened in the Amityville Horror House. Now what you see, what you guys don't understand is none of you understand. Yeah, I'm an idiot.

You're an idiot. Anybody who's listening to me is a fucking idiot. So a lot of times, like in the Amityville Horror House, one of the things that let's us describe was that there was a series of events that happened, like the banister to the main stairs exploded. But then you notice that when you went in to go look after the fact, there was a banister, it was attached,

don't know why, couldn't find any of the flies. They heard, because what that was, as a matter of fact, was a thing called telepathic hypnosis that Ed Warren swears by, which is the idea that the demons make you see stuff that's not there, so that you become a liar against yourself. So that what they do is, it projects these things into your mind, of these are what you see. And then you go and tell people to terrorize you just on your own. But then when you go tell people that this thing happened to me, and then they show up to go look and there's no quote unquote evidence of it.

It's because the picture of it was put in your mind by the demon just to make you upset. And then you're then doubly upset because then you had to lie to your friend. Oh, it's like in the gate when the kids wake up and get out of hell and the house is fine and the parents come home and it's like, ah, you know, don't worry about it. Yeah, or the end of Troll 2, where it turned out it was not fine.

And the ball comes rolling out and turns out the whole family's been taken by the trolls. Nice. Well, so you're saying. So that he saw this in his head. Yeah, so you're saying... So that he saw this in his head. Yeah, so you're saying that all of the... So you're saying that he puts the crucifix on his forehead and says, well, that didn't

happen. No! But... It's the demon making him think it happened. So did it really happen? Do things that you think happen, happen because you think that they happen, or do they happen because they happen Maybe covered in a bunch of hot sauce

That's what you did to me. Yeah In Murfus. Yeah. Well, I know I wasn't a part of that. No, no, you came over to my house covered in hot sauce And I sold you weed. Yes But no, it's very interesting it's the way he talks out the concept of Thank you for that. But no, it's very interesting. It's the way he talks out the concept of It's how he how he explains away these things didn't like these crazy things that supposedly happened during exorcisms that never get caught on camera General and then it's just it's that it happens in your mind. And what's interesting is if you look up telepathic Hypnosis that was one of the main things that the CIA was

Worried about with the Russians is that they thought that they could telepathically change our minds from Moscow. And that's why we stepped up the psychic spy program. Oh, the men who stare at goats type shit. Yeah. Well, this all... Does that help anything? Now, no more lost for sure. Well, this was during just one of the three exorcisms done on David Glatzel, which as

we know can often be drawn out, torturous affairs for the people supposedly being exorcised. And everyone else. Yes. Near the end though, afraid that David was going to die, Arnie Johnson, the boyfriend, he called out for the devil to take him instead. Take me instead! We did the, he's like, get up, quit messing with my little buddy. Yeah.

Quit messing with my little buddy and be on me. Yeah. And that's when the exorcism just sort of ended. Although Ed Warren did admonish Arnie for opening himself up to demon possession. They all were angry. Lorraine still talks about it. She was just like, that that is you never challenge diamond Yeah, cuz Ed and Lorraine were there during all the exorcisms like Ed's there throwing the fucking and it was recorded

It's all recorded, but their entire job is challenging demons. Yeah, but not Arnie's job Yeah, and he doesn't know how to do it Do it right cuz remember Ed Warren is a fucking he's a Christian superhero and Lorraine Lorraine are superheroes And they're all Lauren got bitten by a radioactive Christ Literally the he is Spirituality personified yeah sure you might not seem like that after when you're collecting his tolls on the highway He's a bit irate because he doesn't understand taxes go back to help everybody But also he just fucking knows that his religiosity is at its maximum.

And Arnie's the gung-ho rookie that gets shot on this first shootout. Oh, just tell Teresa, tell Teresa I love her. Now Lorraine Warren claimed that after that, after Arnie said, come at me, come inside me ghost. She was getting visions of Arnie said, come at me, come inside me ghost. She was getting visions of Arnie Johnson committing violence with a knife. She even called up the police and said, hey, this Arnie Johnson, I think Arnie Johnson is going to commit a crime with a knife, which the police can't really do anything about that.

No, you can't say, yeah, my buddy Arnie is going to do something. You're like, uh, yeah, probably his name's Arnie. Well, from what she said, the devil does not strike right away But will wait until you're vulnerable and it was said that after the exorcism Arnie was starting to show some of the same symptoms of demon possession as David so that he would like they his girlfriend said that he Would start to like hallucinate do the growling pass out Fuck your mother. I'm fucking your mother in hell. I'm gonna fuck her Yeah, blue tongue weird stuff. fuck her Meanwhile Arnie moved in with Debbie Gladsell this didn't prevent her from moving in with the guy

Still loved him. Honestly, it just shows how hard it is to be a single lady Yeah, and by the way, she stayed with him all through everything that's about to come She stayed with them and they're still married to this day. It's a good woman Yeah, Debbie soon got a job as a dog groomer working for their landlord a guy named Alan Bono This of course is when Lorraine's supposed visions came to pass in a murder most violent. Did you see this movie? It's so fucking bad Contrary three so fuck off. So over they have all the different religions like around him at the end like yeah doing the

exorcism Yeah, they bring in that they bring in like the rabbi. Yeah, they're bringing. Oh, yeah, it might be and this is the movie We're also talking about the exorcist. It might be the new exorcist I saw the Conjuring 3 and it fucking sucks. I remember't know. I derailed us. I saw the conjuring three and it fucking sucks. I remember getting mad. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah. So on February 16th, 1981, months after Arnie did the whole take me thing during the exorcism, he, Debbie Glatzel, Arnie's younger sisters and their landlord, Alan Bono, they were all hanging out.

Now, Alan Bono was day drinking, and he was day drinking heavy. In the movie, they do this thing where he's like playing the radio too loud, but it's at the dog groomers, and it's just like, it's like, you're torturing all these dogs, and he's like doing all this cocaine and smoking weed in it.

Yeah, because Alan Bono, he owned a dog kennel, and he did dog grooming, and that's where Debbie was working at the time, and he also, he was their landlord, but they were also hanging out and getting drunk. Back in the day, people used to hang out with their landlords. Yeah, it's 1981, and that's where Debbie was working at the time and he also he was their landlord, but they were also hanging out and Back in the day people hang out with 1981. Yeah, I find it's best to be drunk when you yell at dogs I was friends with my one of my landlords back in Lubbock yeah, yeah in Tallahassee. We were always friends with our landlords because they turn out they were like now

I realized I thought they were ancient Ancient but they were like 25. Yeah Well after Alan started day drinking Debbie told everyone to leave because Alan was getting weird and aggressive This Arnie claimed was the last thing he remembered from later testimony Bono grabbed Arnie's sister's arm and refused to let go Arnie confronted him and while his sister ran for the car, Debbie tried standing between Arnie and Bono. Arnie then began growling like an animal and pulled out a pocket knife, which he used to repeatedly stab Alan Bono, ripping open his chest and stomach, killing him. And you know, it's not easy to kill somebody with a small knife, but if you do it fast, you do that fact that like,

stick, stick, stick, stick, stick, stick, and you, oh fuck, you fuck! I mean like, that's how you kill somebody with a small knife, but if you do it fast you do that fact that like stick stick stick stick stick stick stick and you oh fuck you fuck I mean like that's how you get somebody fast You're literally practicing for prison stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick He woke up in the police station having no idea why he was there or what had happened They showed in the movie and apparently that's how it was He was covered in blood the cops came up to him and he was like what I do Mm-hmm now immediately most of the Glatzel family and the Warrens were convinced that Arnie had been possessed by one of the demons that Have possessed David and it was this demon that made Arnie murder Alan Bono as a matter of fact

They were so sure they went straight to the police. Yeah that day. Yes Arnie murder Alan Bono. As a matter of fact they were so sure they went straight to the police. Yeah, that day. Yes. Arnie's defense attorney however, a man named Martin Mannella, didn't believe the possessed by demons angle, but still went to speak with Ed and Lorraine Warren to learn more. Supposedly Mannella's mind was changed after the Warrens played him audio recordings of alleged demonic possessions. Now Ed Warren- The ones that just sound like a bunch of cats.

He played the video. If you listen to the footage, if you listen to the possession footage, it does still just sound like a kid screaming. Like when we covered Annalisa McKell and you hear those screams, I still feel like those screams were way more haunting for me. Well that's the screams of a dying girl. Yes, yes. But there's something here where this guy, I just feel like, let's just put it out there, Martin Manila was desperate for an angle. And when he went in there, I know, like, you gotta look at this.

This is the only way it could possibly be. There's no way. Because Ed was so, he's like, in this tape right here, what you're hearing is a little boy because it's true She goes because in the like Daniel the glatzel is going you're a douchebag mom You're a douchebag, and he's like no child knows the word douchebag How dare you think that it anyway would call because a 12 year old boy would know the word douchebag

I think about how fun that would be to fake being possessed so you can call your mom fat bitch cuz that's all he does It's all right You get away with all that shit dog you could say anything you want dude and that was one of the theories yeah radio head sucks And that was one of the theories. Yeah, radiohead sucks! Like woah holy shit! He must be possessed. Well, the problem with the Devil May Me Do It defense is that one cannot legally prove nor disprove the existence of demons in a court of law.

Mannella, however, thought that he could make a convincing argument if he was allowed to play the war on tapes in court. Because they do talk about they consider God real in the court. That's what they're trying to say. It's talk about they consider God real in the court. That's what they're trying to say. It's like, well, we swear on the Bible. Exactly. Yeah, so why can't the devil be in there? And it's because you're trying to get a guy off for murder. This other thing is literally a quaint old way we've always done things.

It's an archaic symbol. Yes, of quote unquote honesty, but it seems that more people that hold the Bible in their hand are lying more often than not. Wait, then it's like, the other way it's like, but it's actually not an excuse for him killing somebody. Yeah. I mean, we can come to the conclusion that Arnie definitely was not pro bono. Any tunes.com. That's number three. Number three.

Any tunes.com. Well, concerning the Glatzel family, one member had a far different perspective on the affair than what was presented in The Demonologist and The Conjuring 3. That member is David Glatzel's older brother, Carl Glatzel. Carl believes that his brother was simply having severe mental health issues, and said that while his mother put on the appearance of a holy roller in public, she never believed in demons until she met Ed and Lorraine Warren. Furthermore, Carl Glatzel said that while David was certainly acting up before the Warrens arrived,

it was only after Ed Warren walked David through the symptoms of possession to David start acting possessed. It started with the priest. The priest comes in, we're going to bless the house, he starts acting a little crazy, and then when fucking Ed Warren comes in and says like, okay, this is what happens. Well, he tells him what to do. He tells him exactly what to do. He says like, you know, you're going to make noises, you're going to curse out your mother, you're going to thrash around on the bed, you're going to like, he asks you these things and the way he...

Very leading questions. Yeah. And basically from Carl's perspective, the Warrens had given David a walkthrough on how to put on a show. Then they came by every day for a week to record that show, which gave everyone in the room exactly what they wanted. David got attention, he got praise, while the Warrens got their evidence. But as far as how Carl Glatzel knew that all this was just an act, he pointed to one telling

if abuse of incident. This is one of those that feels like like a cat Williams bit You know where this is very like it's just very funny because I can I can see this playing out I can see this yes I can very much see this playing out well one night after the Warrens weren't coming around so much But before the exorcism David was doing his whole show. He was cursing in his mother. He was growling He was making a hubbub. And apparently he was going too far. Like he was saying stuff that was like really out of school about his mom.

This happened to be one of the nights that David's father was at home. And deciding that he'd had enough, David's father stood up and slapped David in the face. He came in. The big motherfucker. Huge motherfucker. He picks him up, he's like, I big motherfucker. Huge motherfucker. He picks him up. He's like, I'm sick of this shit. You're not going to fuck around with this anymore.

He clocked him on the side of the head. They threw him back down to the ground. Miraculously, David was no longer possessed. You know that dad voice. That is like a type of, I think that that voice, because my father was never around, but when he used the dad motion, it's like he could stop any everything would stop on his tracks my father could stop time with his voice yeah when they would get kind of quiet too yeah come here yeah yeah yeah yeah watch him get up and see yeah the act dropped

immediately and from then on it seemed like the devil only liked coming around when David's father happened to be at work. Hey, I bet you, yeah, I bet he was scared of the death. He'd been like, I actually do need this body case. So I can't let the father kill this thing. Yeah, I know I'm the devil and all that fucking hurts. Yeah, it really hurts. I can't even believe that.

I invented pain. Well, concerning the murder of Alan Bono, Carl Glatzel recalled that Arnie Johnson was extremely possessive over his sister, Debbie. And there were rumors that Debbie and Alan Bono were in a relationship. It seemed like they were like work wife, work husband. Yeah, that meant that there was definitely a motive to kill Alan Bono in a drunken moment of passion. And if this tells you anything, Arnie Johnson says he blacked out during the stabbing of Alan Bono because of demon possession. But the first thing Johnson said when he was put into a police cruiser was, I need help

because I've got a drinking problem. Sounds like a different kind of blackout. Yes, it does sound like it's like a different kind of blackout to me. Yes, it does. It does sound like a different type of blackout. I do find there's an extreme similarity between David Glatzel later on when you watch in the documentary series to Daniel Lutz in Miami-Deeville Horror. When you're watching Miami-Deeville Horror, which talks with him, you see something in the two of them that is very, very similar, which is a lot of trauma.

That's a lot of trauma for one reason or another. Something. Yeah. God knows what the fuck happened to those two dudes. But in the end, the judge in Arnie's case did not accept his very real plea of not guilty by virtue of possession. This is the thing, both Conjuring 3 and the documentary series, which is good, builds up all this stuff about we're're gonna put the devil on trial, we're gonna do all this,

and they're building up all this evidence, and both of them all turn on, like, we went to the judge and we couldn't go inside. And they literally, like, he just said no. He just didn't even let him in. The judge just goes, nah. Yeah, he's like, no. Ed Warren showed up with six priests

that were all supposed to go in, talk about the proof of the, he had this whole thing set up, and they didn't even Let him in the office. They were like no you're not coming in here Yeah, this is the judge just said like this is stupid So stop wasting my fucking time devil literally never made it even close to being on trial the devil couldn't even get jury selection The devil was not in the courtroom. That is a judge that's getting reelected. Yes

Well after everyone who was present at the murder was forced to say that they did indeed see Arnie stab Alan Bono, Arnie had no choice but to pivot to a self-defense argument. Yeah, that's the thing. But if you stab somebody like a hundred times, it's hard to say that it was four times. He was four big stabs. Six for four big, six small. Yeah. But enough to rip open his like belly. He did one stab and rip. They said it wasn't, it was too many stabs to be self-defense Yeah, he was got manslaughter though at the very least. He didn't get first-degree murder. That's crazy Yeah, and he was sentenced to 10 to 20 years released after only five. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, he's out there man, and he still squares to this day that it was real

Yeah, he was possessed by the devil. Just keep him away from liquor He was possessed by the devil. Just keep him away from liquor. Yeah But that whole time while he was in prison david glatzel's mother was on a media tour with the warrens Together they denounced the justice system for rejecting the devil made me do a defense But at the same time they were also striking some pretty lucrative deals The warrens convinced judy glatzel that she could become rich if she sold the rights to her family's story. That included the rights of her children, and they all worked together on a book called The Devil in Connecticut. This was written by Gerald Brittle, the same dude who wrote The Demonologist.

I want to learn more about Gerald Brittle. I want to know why he was their mouthpiece. That's for next episode. According to the skeptic in this story, Glatzel Ed Warren told Gerald brittle to quote Make it scary people come to us They buy scary but in the end the Glatzels ended up making far less than even the Lutzes. They got $4,500 but the Warrens who arguably helped torture this young boy. made off with 80 grand. Hey was our idea in the first place And that's just off the book that doesn't even count the profits their estate made off the conjuring three and by the way not a single fucking dime from the conjuring three went to the glatzels even though all of their real names and all of their stories are used in

The movie that was of course because their mother sold their rights even though all of their real names and all of their stories are used in the movie. That was of course because their mother sold their rights when they were children. Conjuring 3 got worse. Yes it did. Yeah, it's not just because they used the little boy from the, what is it, the Haunting of Hill House as David Glatzel. Oh yeah, that right, it was the same kid. Yeah. Wow.

That's weird, right? Yeah. Isn't it weird how all those little kids were in like six horror movies all at once. They look like haunted little children They look good. They look spooky. Yeah, they were very well cast. Yes Now David Glatzel as I said, he still believes that he was possessed by demons But he also believes that the Warrens used him and his family for profit and fame But what is more interesting is what Carl Glatzel discovered after his mother died. According to Carl, his mother was an obsessive note taker and there were several notes from around the time of the possession saying that she had been giving her family doses of so-called

medicine. Carl deduced that his mother, overwhelmed with a large family and a husband who was never around, he deduced that she was drugging her children with a sleeping aid called Salmonex. Because as David remembered, his mother always fed the family from a large bowl, but she always made... I know. It's just a fucking, come get your slop, you fucking pig. Come get your slop, you pig.

Here's your nap time, Stu. Here's your nap time, Stu. Here's your nap time, Stu. Here's your nap time, Stu. Here's your nap time, Stu. Here's your nap time, Stu. It's just a fucking come get your slot. You fucking pig. Go job you go. Here's your nap time stew. Here's your strap it to your face. But she always made a small separate plate for herself. I don't worry. I don't need any of that. I don't like stroking up.

Now we couldn't find evidence of this claim, but Carl said that the longterm of side effects of salmon X, maybe this is like the 70s ingredients in salmon X the 70s formula I couldn't sleep. I took a salmon X. I've never heard of salmon. Yeah, it's old school. It's very very old Like Tavastie that shit that just knocks you out that worked for a while, but they're like, oh we got you rid of this Yeah, I think salmon X is much the same way. Yeah, I might think go to see more talk to see more What it's from Little Shop of Whores? Oh, you take salmon X. Well, it's it's one of the cuts or the musical not from the film Oh, god damn you fucking musical theater. You we lose all credibility when you do this From my singular portrayal as a 17 year old as mr. Mushnik

Well, at least in the 70s, the side effects for salmonics included emotional instability, hallucinations and weight gain. And sure enough, David Glatzel was a chubby, chubby little boy. Bad things happen to heavy children. But these were the most famous cases involving the war. Because Amityville is going to put them on the map. This is the one that broadcasts them across the world. Yeah, Amityville puts them on the map.

The devil made me do it. That's also a massive story. These are the ones that are made into movies that together have grossed billions of dollars worldwide. I think it's $2 billion altogether. When you put all the Conjuring movies, all movies all the the entire universe your Annabelle's your Nuns all that shit. Yes But these are only four cases out of the thousands in which the Warrens were involved if you believe four to ten

Thousand is what they said and it was some of the smaller ones that were the most bizarre These were the smurls the the Sneddickers, and many others, all of which will be covered next week in our conclusion, along with the allegations that Ed Warren was, under the shield of being a warrior for Christ, a sexual predator. You know, it's amazing how many vestiges have a little child underneath, sucking on the knees of an old man. Mmmmm. What? Have a little child underneath sucking on the knees of an old man. Mmm. What?

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