Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 575: Ed and Lorraine Warren Part III - Dealing with Demons

Episode Date: June 1, 2024

This week the boys conclude the tale of famed controversial paranormal investigative duo Ed and Lorraine Warren, focusing on the latter half of their career, the haunting of Werewolf Bill Ramsey, The Smurle Investigation, as well as the true dark side of Ed Warren.

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Parks here with the new sponsor is Henry Zabrowski. It's hard to find a locally sourced wife, especially if they all just keep running away. I had to get mine from States away. I know. And of course, Ed Larson. We're here. We're here at the Warrens part three. The conclusion of the series, ladies and gentlemen, welcome. The difficult one. The diff. Well, it is, we're going to be talking about some difficult topics. So this is the after-school Special episode if we get some form of responsible like after-school music Yeah, this is what this is your watch out for the bus driver episode. Absolutely watch out for your local Suspended paranormal investigator. They will charm you out of the air out of your pants. Yeah more like your bloomers You know the Spike Lee

Movie get on the bus Yeah, yeah, it's all about going to the million-man march. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, don't get on the bus Now in our last episode we covered the most well-known cases that involved Ed and Lorraine Warren, your Annabelles, your Amityvilles, and your Devil Made Me Do It's, but in our conclusion we're gonna be covering the lesser-known aspects of Ed and Lorraine Warren. Mostly we'll be covering some of their lesser-known cases, but we're also gonna talk about the allegations made about the Warren's personal life, which that personal life is quite different from what one should expect from God's chosen warriors in the never-ending battle against Satan and his minions.

Hey, why? Why should it be any different? They're so tired of being good all day. Sometimes, you burn out. Sometimes when you're good all day, you gotta be bad at night. Yeah, dude, you burn out. Yeah, they were just practicing for the priesthood.

Do you have any idea how physically difficult it was for Ed to walk up and down the stairs from his wife to his childlike mistress? To her upstairs apartment that they built by hand for her. Do you know how difficult that is for a 60 year old man? Before we get into all that let's start with the story of the smurls Before we get all that let's start with the story of the smurls these fucking guys now the one of the main Characteristics of these smaller stories is that I will say is that they are Really over the top. Yeah, and they do coincide with the more they actually did their job So see these are actually kind of like the later on this is their Neil Young Electronic album. Yeah, like this is their like weird These are the off-brand stuff where you notice he gets more and more insane

Because like the one thing he kept saying about this is about now look We'll begin the tale of this and I'll pepper with other things he dropped in sure Yeah, I mean it it does tend to be the case that the more involved the Warrens get in a case The crazier it gets and the more out of hand it gets yes So in 1973 Jack and Janet Smurled moved into a duplex in West Pitts in Pennsylvania Just outside of Scranton. What are they fucking bragging? In tow with their four daughters and for almost almost ten years, the Smurls experienced nothing out of the ordinary.

Nothing! Not a story! Nothing. But in 1985, just as they were preparing for their daughter Janet's confirmation, the activity supposedly began for this Catholic family when a light suddenly fell from the ceiling for seemingly no reason. It's not just because the landlords of Pencil Tucky suck. From there, the phenomenon quickly escalated to mysterious voices, like when Janet said she was doing the laundry and heard a strange woman's voice when no one else was seemingly around.

Your panties are dirty. Get me out of this dry air. I'm stuck in the dry air. I'm stuck in the dry air. I'm still moist. I'm still moist. I'm not a mix in China. That is called magical mumbling. According to Ed Warren. And it's a lot of that because demons love to do it. Have you ever been in the background of a musical? The background? Yes. Yeah. You know, like how you would... Watermelon, watermelon. Watermelon, hamburger, watermelon like a watermelon watermelon hamburger watermelon watermelon rhubarb Yeah, that is you say those words to look like you're talking and that's all the demons are doing they're just going like

If you go like he's like that's magical mumbling I do not magical mumbling Here's a chorus ghost. Soon after, lights started turning on and off by themselves. Doors would open and shut on their own. Knocks rang throughout the house and the family began seeing shadows prowling in their peripheral vision. Standard shit. But most bizarrely, I've never heard of this one before, the Smurl's dog would suddenly find itself teleported from the inside of the house to the outside Going through the fucking afterlife like a poltergeist

That is having an out. Just out. Oh! Oh! What's wrong, boy? You getting something dumb? Between the dog ending up outside and no one knew it and shit falling off the ceiling, just seems like a badly put together house.

The Smurls were not on top of it. But he also said that they had problems, too. Ed Warren was also describing issues that he has had with several spectral animals. He said one of the main issues of the Smurl family haunting was that yes, they had their own German Shepherd But they were also getting harassed by a mysterious Giant black dog that would start pawing at their windows very common big black dogs very common He said he ran into in several different cases. They had worked in the UK

But what I found really really interesting was his term for what a dog does He says I couldn't believe this I rewound it three times to make sure I heard what I heard and he was just like I knew wouldn't believe that outside that dog is he's banging at the window banging just toot Tootin and to toot and you know dogs So when they toot when you don't pay attention to me fart. Yeah, no, I think he means barking Yeah, which is I know of it. Is that a Connecticut thing never heard anyone describe a dog barking They toot as toot What in the living fuck are you talking about?

And then I was like, oh, you're barking. No, Tootin is fartin'. And he's also been put in, that's what I'm saying. Tootin or Putin. Putin. Putin. Also our fucking most desperate enemy. But he said the problem was little black creatures.

And he said that he also noticed one time that these little creatures do show up. He was like, one time I was outside in the museum I'm coming back into the house and ninks thing I know see this little thing because the shadow ghosts most dangerous type of ghosts because they could be thick as concrete You can walk right into it. Not even know you can fall back Super thick like William the fridge Barry that guy right, but they said that one of the worst things he saw a little creature resembling an evil woodchuck

appear in front of him in front of the house look evil that it was Carly entirely Raven black Like it was a Jojo Siwa The evil Karma is a bitch fucking woodchuck And he was like whoa, that's too edgy. Woodchuck with brass knuckles. Yeah, he says that that was one of those things that happened to him. That was a part of what came out of this case is these weird little black creatures following him everywhere. Just like a goth magical force?

Yes. Well, right after the dog started teleporting, Simon and the rest of the family soon found themselves thrown against walls, dragged out of bed, scratched and slapped. This was all paired with screams, moans and horrible stenches. On one occasion, Jack Smurl reported, in a rare case involving a man, that he had been the victim of non-consensual spectrophilia. He said that he was paralyzed and raped by a 70-year-old ghost woman with serpentine, snake-like scales and actual succubus.

And afterwards, Jack said he was covered in a pungent, smelly fluid. Yeah, he only said he didn't like it because he got caught. Well, he said that he... Jack Smurl was, uh, he was a very, very well put together man. And he was like, hey... With the last name Smurl? I know. You have to be.

You have to be. I'm a... We're Smurls, damn it! Can you imagine saying that to your children? You've disgraced the family name! Wait a second, you graduated from high school? How dare you, son? We're Smurls!

We're Smurls! We're Smurls! You have to properly pronounce it, you have to puke while you're saying it. from high school how dare you Properly pronounce it you have to puke while you're saying How dare you son never kiss a woman with her permission son So he said that he was a very odd. He was a very like he Talking about this really grossed him out, but he said one of the things that he knew is when he was having sex with this succubus, which obviously Ed Warren is so afraid of.

He's extremely afraid of succubuses. Really? So old. It's there's something about too, I think it's also, because we now know one thing that is Ed's weakness is the penis. Right. And so when the succubus comes, he doesn't want to deal with it. He's very, very spooked out by the concept of succubus.

But Jack Smurl would not talk about the details. It took a long time for him to say that she shot ectoplasm squirt all over him when she fucked because he said the one little detail he let slip. He's like, I knew that whatever it was, the entity was orgasming. By the way, it was twitching on top of me. Which was almost like humble brag. Like, it also could be faking. You don't know, but I guess it's squirting.

It's squirting. If it's squirting, then it hurts. Yeah. Now once the Smurls decided that there was something hanging around their house that was beyond their abilities to fix, they went to the Scranton Diocese who contacted a professor, exorcist, and paranormal expert named Father Alphonsus Trebold. Now Father Trebold, affectionately known as Father Al, he actually taught a course on parapsychology and religion at st. Bonaventure University in Western New York He was well-liked trusted soft-spoken and reported. This is adorable. He literally laughed with an endearing

Teehee Exactly. Yeah. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Although Al Bundy used to teehee and I loved when Al Bundy teehee. See exactly. Teehee. That's Al Bundy. It is not a frocked priest. I feel like a frocked priest. That's like a thing you learned. Teehee. That's Michael Jackson's noise. Yeah. You're supposed to be looking at Hooters. Yaaaay! That's all to say that if you were possessed by a demon in Buffalo, that's where Father Allen made his home base, he's the guy to call. Yeah, I guess Doug Flutie should have called him. Alright. You want to give it to him?

I mean, why does Doug Flutie need it? He was a very successful champion. Never got that, he never got the ring. Well, he got the college ring Yeah, who gives a shit? Never flutie flakes Supported his autistic child and then when the merino was playing with Jimmy Johnson and the Dolphins beat the the Bills merino Also has an autistic child Jimmy Johnson grabbed a box of flutie flakes and tore it up in front of Dan Marino.

And he's just looking at him, shaking his head. Football is filled with stand up people. When I looked up Father Owl, I found a feature article about the man himself in which Ed and Lorraine Warren are mentioned but not explicitly named. Instead, they're referred to only as a husband and wife team of traveling psychic investigators who had profiled themselves as demon conquerors. Can't be anyone else in the world. From how Father Owl told it, and this is a story outside of the Smurls, this is just

sort of a character reference type thing. A troubled local family had attended one of the Warrens' many talks at local colleges in the 70s and asked them if they could help with the daughter they believed was possessed. Apparently, the Warrens tried delivering the girl themselves, but only managed to make things worse. The family then called the local exorcist, Father Al. Father Al had experience both in psychology and Parapsychology and upon examining this young girl. He decided that it was a case of the former

There was some sort of mental illness going on here. No demons This is father Al like he really is this is the whole nouveau priest thing the idea being like we're cool We follow science We just also believe that when gay men have sex with each other it creates demonic energy that destroys Christ's love. But other than that, we're on it. It's good to see an exorcist just be able to say, nah, she crazy. She crazy.

Holy shit, this woman's crazy. Hey, yeah, that's very, you're very crazy. Yeah. Well, I mean, he was able to calm things down all by himself, but the Warrens were soon promoting themselves as Father Al's routine collaborators, even referring to themselves as his fellow exorcists. Off Father Al's reputation, the Warrens were able to get more attention and were able to make even more messes, much to Father Al's dismay. In fact, while this feature article was all about how nice and beloved Father Al had been,

the closest he came to talking shit was when it came to the Warrens. About Ed and Lorraine, Father Al said that he was eventually forced to politely ask them Please stop using my name keep my name It's very true, I think he left it at that he's like that's and that's all I'm willing to say about those people One of the good ones, but he I I mean, as far as I know, but they were, they were manipulators. Yeah. Users. Every single person that got attached to them, they sucked them dry. Yeah.

And that was kind of their MO from the, it kind of just got worse and worse and worse with each case. And then the more and more they just added people to their sort of like tool bags They use them as as ways to bolster their own Salesmanship they use people as props Yes Everything was props every single thing was appearances to both of them as you can see with Lorraine Warren as she becomes longer more fetus like her psychological and psychic abilities become greater her hair gets bigger her

Abilities to feel feelings gets wider. I don't know why Lorraine just becomes more and more psychic by the end She's like she believes in the upside down Yeah, like I think that that's a part of it is that like that's what Ed Warren says ghosts love old people and children People are closer to the spirits and children they can suck out the life force Yeah, cuz I mean before you're alive you're dead. Yep. That's true You know what's good about them like back then that really helped them out because I feel like if they were like 20 years earlier If they were like in the 90s or the early 2000s their car would have just be like had like an obnoxious wrap around it Sponsored by

Monster energy drink would be cool if you turned out to just destroy demons But getting back to the Smurls father Al was the first person brought to the scene and while he said that he definitely believed that the Smurls were sincere in their belief That something demonic was happening. He quite diplomatically said that he couldn't conclusively say that there was a demonic presence in the house. No one can! Yes. Ed and Lorraine, well, Ed and Lorraine, they came on the scene and said there are conclusively demons at the Smurl house. Yeah. But since Father al had washed his hands of both the Warrens and this case. She's glad he's washed his hands Always rubbing around the wine and you got to suck the wine out of the cup while he's sucking Sucking on the wine like his lady in the tramp. Why is it all mouths in the Catholic Church?

The Warrens brought along their own priest father Robert McKenna now father McKenna was a long time own priest, Father Robert McKenna. Now, Father McKenna was a longtime ally of the Warrens and was considered a rogue priest in the Catholic Church because of his rejection of Vatican II. They just can't handle me, dude! I'm uncontrollable! I'm outside the box! I'm outside the love of Christ! Where is Vatican II? Well, Vatican II, if our listeners will remember from our Annalisa Mikkel series, it was a series of reforms instituted in 1962 that tried to bring the Catholic Church into the 20th century.

It really was like the sequel to Catholicism. This isn't Catholicism. This is Catholicism II, bro. Yeah, and they cast Chris Pratt as John Paul. They already believe in the sequel to the Bible. They do! Fly from your grave. Fly from your grave.

Well, hardliners within the Church believe that changing Catholic doctrine in such a way would not only ensure that the world would become the domain of the devil, but that it would also make God angry on the scale of the Old Testament. Ed and Lorraine Warren's exorcism partner, Father McKenna, he was one of the priests who had rejected Vatican II, as were the men who killed and Elisa Mikkel during her fatal exorcism 10 years before the hauntings of the smurls. This is just more evidence that shows that Ed and Lorraine Warren's main goal is to roll back time.

It's like they want the concept of the medieval abilities of the church to be that is what they're fighting for. Yeah, make exorcism great again. Yes And they they that was their main objective as they went was prefer using their their Christian quote-unquote superpowers as an example of what you need to live a safe life And Warren was like, you know He's give this advice about how if you see a ghost the whole thing you're supposed to do is make a large crucifix with your right hand and then go, in the name of Jesus Christ, how can I help you? Like your fucking customer

service. Unless you're a smurl and then you just fuck this shit and then you just cram jam that shit. It was sort of like a circular logic type thing where they say, okay, if we put in this Vatican II thing, then demons are going to run loose on earth. And then of course, you know, that happens in 1963 and during the seventies, you know, exorcism skyrockets, you know, haunting skyrocket, all this belief in the paranormal skyrockets. And so they can say these priests and these all of these, you know, extremely religious people can say like oh, yeah the reason why we're getting so much of this shit is because It's because of that again, too

And demons have been let loose on earth But they're also the ones that are perpetuating the belief in all of these demons and exorcisms and they're the ones that are going to These people and making it worse and worse and worse wherein we see when these people are left Alone, they just kind of peter out it just sort of ends on its own. So they're perpetuating their own myth Yes, what was I? I haven't heard of an exorcism in a really long time. They are a big are actually more prevalent than ever Yeah, they're more prevalent than ever then and a lot like in the last ten years It's like it's just, it's out of this world. All the exorcisms are performed.

And much like how TikTok has done a lot of things of giving people false confidence of what to do, there is a whole world of people that just do kind of exorcisms over social media. Is there an exorcism TikTok? There's an exorcism, you just do Bob Larson. Oh yeah, that's my boy, my daddy. Yeah, dude. He's Bob Larson. Oh, yeah

Okay, I believe Bob Larson is dead now I believe he's dead His daughters took over. Yeah, I mean Bob Larson used to do Skype exorcisms And he was actually pranked by a guy once who went on and like did this whole thing about like, you know Acting like he was demon possessed and all that and then like at the End of it. He was like nah, I just fucking with you And then went out and Bob Larson Of course explained it away by saying like this is further proof that he was possessed by a demon Because only a demon would do something to diabolical to me Yeah, but yeah, no, he is actually

still alive. Yeah, and also in Africa, exorcisms are a massive, massive, massive thing. So yes, more exorcisms around the world are being done than possibly in any other point in human history. We'll have to go check one out. Yeah, I'd love to. Honestly, so aren't I going to take it? I have to see who have W-ed me as a box that we can use. Now from what Ed claimed, he faced the Smurl's demon on his very first evening in the Smurl home. After using the name of Jesus Christ to crucifix holy water and holy oil, the temperature supposedly dropped 30 degrees, a dark mass formed three feet in front of him, and a rattling sound from behind startled him. Well, that's what they call globules. Ghost globules.

What's a ghost globule? The thing that startled him? It's a big floppy chunk of plasma in front of you that forms... Oh, that's the dark mass. Yes. Yeah, it's called the ghost globule. But that's not a shadow person. No. I don't understand the difference. Globule shaped like a globule, as you'd imagine a globular shape.

Okay. A floating globule. Okay, so that, you mean like the creature in the Hercules that went like, that's a globule? That's a globule. Okay. But then a shadow person, shape of a person. Okay. Could just be floaters.

No. With the eyeballs, little dots floating around. Incorrect. Floaters do not respond to the crucifix. Well items then began jumping off the bureau and the mattress in the Smurls bedroom started jumping around too. All while Ed commanded whatever it was in the home to leave in the name of Jesus Christ. You get out! You get out! None of this, of course, was caught on camera. And if it was, Ed Warren never made it public. All I want is to hear the ASMR track

of a microphone outside, just hearing Ed Warren wrestle. Yeah, it's James Gandolfini walking. That's James Gandolfini walking to F-Crafty. That's the sound out in the body. And then Ed Warren comes in, then you just go like You can't say that, Ed, be careful. Shut up, Lorraine! I'm just saying, the demon seems mean. Now the Warrens spent months investigating the Smurl home.

This polyester suit just soaks. Oh, God, it's powder blue, man. You can really see the sweat stains on a powder blue leisure suit. It looks good. Now the Warrens spent months investigating the Smurl home, and in the meantime, as was now routine for the Warrens, the haunting drew massive media attention to the point where CNN was camping out

in the Smurl's front yard. This is 1985, so we're about 10 years out from the Warrens being a very established presence in the media as the paranormal experts. Local teenagers and families would hang around outside the Smurl home to see if they could catch any paranormal experts. Local teenagers and families would hang around outside the Smurl home to see if they could catch any paranormal activity. A local biker gang showed up just to see what the fuck was going on.

And before long, a bar had set up party buses on their street, a food truck parked down the block selling pizza and hoagies, and the whole thing just became a big to-do so reminds me of an email I got Correctly probably admonished for my ironic Embracement of Marvin Heemeyer and the killdozer situation about how the killdozer 20th anniversary is starting to arrive and that that small town where it took place in Colorado is inviting the National Guard to come and protect them because there are a lot of people talking about arriving for this big Anniversary of kill dozer day and I kind of see it like this the kill dozer was 20 years ago

Yeah, dude. Yeah, and we're gonna go ahead and say don't go to this If you were a local Korean taco truck, this is a good way for you to kind of make some money people show up there You know if you want to make some t-shirts and you're local and you're arriving That's how you kind of get that juice going if there's a bouncy house Don't like a backhoe that you guys can make don't try to fucking justify this Breakfast come kill your dozing here If we just turn it into joy and freedom

You can celebrate your killdozer at home and the best way to celebrate your killdozer at home is to build one Just don't do it in the town where it's already been done. I know. They've been kill-dosed enough. I know and then yes there was near misses to many deaths. I know that now. I hear you.

I hear that. Well at one point at the Smurl home even the dude who played Father Damien Carus in The Exorcist drove over to the Smurl home because he lived in Scranton. Yeah, oh yeah. Scranton was his hometown. He had a bunch of 8x10s he had to sign. I can imagine. Can you imagine this guy just showed up being like, tell me do you guys need an actor? Actually I found out that he was a very successful playwright. That was actually his real thing is that he was a very successful playwright. Oh wow. Yeah and he showed up and I saw a picture of him in front of the small home showed up wearing like a Green Bay Packers

Jersey in a fucking like leather jacket looking real haggard and like kind of embarrassed that the local newspaper are taking the picture Expect all this attention. Yeah Maybe little moral support maybe just wanted maybe he was just curious Wanted to know what was going on Tom Cruise thinks he's like a fucking superhero We like you know lifts cars out of ditches and stuff and Sean Penn met El Chapo. Yeah, that's right Yeah, that's fun But as the pattern went the only people who ever saw anything paranormal in that duplex were the Smurls and the Warrens who ever saw anything paranormal in that duplex were the Smurls and the Warrens. See, people were suspicious of the fact that the house had suddenly become haunted ten

years after the Smurls had moved in. They were equally suspicious that the publicizing of the haunting coincided with the release of Amityville 2, which, as we said in the last episode, featured consulting credits from Ed and Lorraine Warren. That is incredible cross promotion. Locally people weren't sold on the Smurl Haunting either. Two women from the Smurl's parish said quite succinctly that all the Smurls wanted was to get a movie made in West Pits and akin to what the Lutzes had accomplished in Amityville.

Whoa, this is about local commerce. Yeah. Janet Smurl decided she'd had enough in August of 1986 and asked all reporters to leave her home and a priest who stayed in the home for two nights the following October reported nothing unusual during his stay. All that, however, didn't stop the Warrens from writing a book about the Smurl experience with writer Robert Curran called The Haunted. As expected, the story told in the book wildly

differed from what the Smurls had already told reporters while the haunting was happening. Remember that each one of these hauntings, I believe they have 10 total books. Nine. Is it nine? Ed Warren and Lorraine Warren worked with various authors. There was a couple guys, you know, George Riddle was one that was like one of the major ones. There were couples that they worked with. So each one of these has a whole fucking book and guess what each one is filled with padding So much of these books from them could be so

honestly much better news as lining for an Easter basket or like a something for a Gerbil yeah. Yeah. I mean that the story itself is a blog post. Yes. It's not a book No, it's meant to buy when you're at the grocery store when you remember these to sell novels right at the register Yeah, this is probably what one of the novels you would see there You'd have to read a lot of pages to read trash back in the day when we were children Before the publication of the book Janet Smurl said that she thought that the voices she heard were probably just her sister screwing around. But this isn't even mentioned in the haunting. In fact, the sister is rarely mentioned.

Likewise, while the Smurls said again and again that nothing happened before 1985, it was kinda like one of the main points of the story. The haunting claimed that the paranormal activity began as soon as they moved into the house in 1973 and it slowly ramped up. Jack Smurl, meanwhile, constantly promised evidence that never materialized, which some speculate Smurl either made up or was holding back for some sort of movie adaptation for their story.

And adapted it was, but not in big budget form. Yeah, instead of being a fucking huge movie with James Brolin and Margot Kidder, they got a made-for-TV movie that aired on Fox in 1991. But that's probably also because of their own personal opinion. Ed Warren called the Smurl haunting a 4 out of 10. It is true. And he said the Amityville haunting was 22 out of 10. 22 out of 10.

Wow, that's fucking intense. Yeah, dude. But even before that TV movie aired, a woman Deborah Owens who bought the supposed haunted house from the Smurls reported that she never Experienced any supernatural activity likewise the man who lived on the other side of the duplex remember the whole time It's a duplex sharing a wall with a man. He said he never experienced anything Aside from the massive inconvenience the Smurls claims ended up being to the neighborhood. But even so, one of the Smurl daughters, Karen, she said that it was ludicrous to think that

her parents, two working-class Catholics, would ever dream up a haunting con. From what she said, the Smurls never made any money off the book or the TV movie, but it won't come as a surprise as to who did. Ed and Lorraine Warren. That is what they were experts at. It was getting the demon based bag. And cutting out the people who actually experienced it as much as they possibly could.

My call on the Smurl family is that, the first call came from a telephone call. So the Smurl family called and said the daughter saw a creature in the closet that looked like a tall old lady And then she went hi Then we know and then the spectrophilia happened like that's according to Jack Smurl I feel like something like that might have happened. There was a couple of things that sort of happened in that house during that time period. I'm sure some paranormal activity happened.

I'm sure in almost in many of the Warren's cases, some paranormal activity happened. And a lot of it's smurled till he purled, but you know, we can't all be. We can't all be. But then I think it's got a lot to do with her menarche, right? Because if you notice, you said all this started happening around the time that she was getting her confirmation, which is menarche time.

It's a little past menarche. But, you know, it depends on how like... What confirmation is, what, 14? 15 for me. Yeah, but if the girl's skateboarding, right? Like, isn't she cooler? You can period earlier if you're cool. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, that's how it works. If you're a rad chick, don't you get your fucking period super early? Yeah, I'm sorry. They'll POTL the gmail.com Chicks out there. Let us know. I just want to know but uh that seems all be connected So it feels like a couple of spots and then they just came in and at this point They're so good at quickly packaging they walk in they're like, yes. Yes. Yes I'm gonna go fake doing my demon thing downstairs. They'll hear it through the wall of the duplex so they can hear it so everybody knows that this is a super fucking haunted place. And then we'll leave and then we'll package this whole thing with our authors afterward. The fact.

Now the story of the Smurls can be told with a little bit more of a clear head because there was so much coverage of the supposed haunting while it was happening. and you also had a level-headed church official involved Father Owl. That however is not the case with the so-called werewolf of London Bill Ramsey. Oh I thought it was Warren Ziva. No bro Bill Ramsey. But see despite many claims that this story was covered extensively in the UK press our researchers were able to only find small mentions in the newspaper archives. And so this story comes directly from the Warrens and their son-in-law, Tony Sparra. There's never been a son-in-law who has loved his family more than Tony Sparra.

And besides Brian Herbert, Frank Herbert's son. Ah! In terms of a son loving a father so much that he'll do whatever it takes to continue that father's legacy. Tony Sparrow wasn't even the biological son. No, he was the son-in-law. He loved Ed Warren so much. He was Lorraine's son? No, he was their daughter's husband. Oh, okay, okay. Which she was never supposed to have.

They told Lorraine Warren, when she was a little girl, which she was never supposed to have they told Lorraine Warren and she was the little girl She would never be able to have a child or if she had a child she would have to have it super young Which is why when she met Ed Warren and he she told him that being like I need to be impregnated Super young that he was gonna go to World War two, right? and instead he like fucked it he got married to her ahead of the time, and put a baby inside of her when she was a bit of a teenager, in order to get it out so that by the time

he was back from Italy, she would already popped out the child. He's a hero. Yeah, American hero. Super calm. It's that easy. Now as the story goes, Bill Ramsey was born in the Essex community of South End in 1943.

He claimed to have first felt symptoms of lycanthropy at the age of nine during a day in which he was playing in his family's garden. He said he began to feel strange when an icy cold blast of air swept around him. He smelled something foul and vomited. And suddenly all he could think about was wolves and for some reason running away to live a life on the beach. That sounds like a lot of like anti-work subreddits. I feel like that's most people. All I want to do is live on the beach and be a wolf. That's what I want to do. I want to hang out with dogs. I want to hang out with my pack. I don't want to fucking just live in a tent.

I think it honestly makes sense. I'm a fucking good boy That Ramsey said is when he forever changed Throughout his adolescence Bill Ramsey was cursed with what sounds like an overactive adrenal gland and uncontrollable rage Which is said to be due to his latent lycanthropic symptoms. Okay. Did they put him down? Did they have to put him down? No, no, they just went inside. Yeah. Anytime when Bill would have a lycanthropic flare-up, he said he'd feel that same icy wind that he felt when he was nine years old.

In one case, when Bill was presumably a teenager, he uprooted a fence post that was still attached to the fence, very difficult to do, and in another incident He was so filled with rage that he nod on wire meshing seriously There were like three of these in my niece's class And when this happened no they didn't put him down they just locked him outside until he calmed down like a dog Well, you know, he's got zoomies he's a bit of a dog. He treated him like a dog. You're like, well, you know, he's got zoomies. He's a bit of a goofball. Like put them out in the backyard. Let's create

train them. Did you hit him in the nose with a newspaper? That's bad. You gotta do it with treats and do positive validation. Look at me. Find it. Find it. Look at me. But after adolescence passed, bills like can throwy went dormant for 15 years. When he got married and fathered three children, however, he became plagued by nightmares in which he was chasing his wife as she looked behind in terror. Those dreams continued for two years, then abruptly ended. But 18 months later, Bill woke up to the sound of panting, like a wild animal was in the room. And he quickly realized that it was he himself who

was making the noise. I'm a self-panter. I'll pantalize him. DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE HEE DEE HEE DEE HEE AHAHAHA Just a little pre slap

You put you on that rug, I'm gonna put you on that rug But then came another 15 years with no wolfy behavior That's a long time to not be a wolf So you were married 30 years with no wolf going on here? There's like 15 years and then a little bit of wolf and then another 15 years Alright, well I guess it comes up later like diabetes. How old is he? He's in his like 40s, like late 40s, 50s.

So this started, the wolf shit started when he was a kid. When he was nine. Nowadays that's when they become like a stand up. You know what I mean? You hit 45, you don't know what to do anymore, you leave your big time job. He just decided, I'll be a werewolf. Well that all changed during a drinking session one night at the pub with his friends. Oh yeah.

In 1983 Bill said the icy feeling overwhelmed him once again and when he went to the bathroom to calm down he was horrified when he looked in the mirror and saw a wolf staring back. Hell yeah, I finally got the vaccine out of me. That's when Bill decided it was time to go home. But according to his designated driver According to his designated driver I gotta get out of here. According to his designated driver, Bill's fingers turned to claws in the car. Then Bill tried biting his friend's leg.

Oh, we've dealt with this with you. You and I have done this to each other. You are delicious. It's weird to me that he went down, because someone's sitting down to bite their leg in a car like you're going for, it sounds like he's going for the genitals All of this sounds like Bill tried to have sex with his best friend that night Because what he meant by corner quote was I saw a wolf staring back Take savory wolf

He went full gay werewolf. He was trying to suck dick. And that's hard if you got button fly. Yeah I'm a scratchy Japan. You know what I want. Perhaps accustomed to the unpredictability of the intoxicated Englishman, the driver calmly pulled over, threw Bill out of the car, and drove off. That same year, Bill started experiencing chest pains and was taken to the hospital.

But while he was in the emergency room, he lost control and sank his teeth into a nurse, then ran around the hospital in a blind rage. This guy's just fucked up. He's just liking this now. It seems like a Nick Cage kind of move, doesn't it? Oh yeah, it does. Yeah. To randomly bite a nurse is unfair.

And then run around the hospital. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI-SHI- According to witnesses, or so the Warrens claim, Bill's fingers were curled like talons, his shoulders were hunched, and he bared his teeth like a rabid animal. Finally, the hospital staff stabbed him with a needle full of tranquilizer, and he calmed down. Two months later, he was back in the hospital when the same thing happened. He threw the attending nurse to the side and lunged in unorderly, but it just so happened that four policemen were visiting the hospital at that very moment. As they surrounded him, he lunged and growled and one police officer allegedly had to spend

four days in the hospital from injuries he sustained from the werewolf of London. Was he big guy? Yeah, actually he was a pretty big guy. He actually looked like a werewolf. Okay. Hell yeah. Yeah. And he looked, he actually, he looked like a very wolf. Okay, hell yeah. Yeah, and he looked like a very wolfy man.

It worked. Now afterward, when Bill was handcuffed in the back of a police car, he was asked if he preferred admission to a psychiatric institution over jail, but he denied the offer. How about the pound? I prefer to go to the park.

But he denied the offer, fearing the stigma of such a choice. This is, how British is the police giving you the option. Yeah. How British is that? Been like, Oh, you feel like going to get sick. You won't go to hospital then you ain't going to hospital. That's so nice.

You know, if this was America, we would just shoot you. He would have been shot down. Yeah. You're fucking running crazy around a hospital. Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about getting put down. Absolutely. At least tased.

Yeah. Now Bill also seemed to be a bit of a busybody because he soon showed up back at the same police station with a woman in tow. Apparently Bill had made a citizen's arrest on a sex worker and had forced her to come with him to the police station. This woman made me have sex with her. Ruff, bark, dude, she's my bitch. Arr, bark.

But as soon as he pulled up, the sex worker ran from his truck into the police station because Bill was going through another transformation. Can you imagine that? Being so frightened that a sex worker runs into the police station away from you? Yeah. After a dozen officers supposedly held him down and injected him with another sedative Bill spent 10 days going through countless MRIs x-rays and psychiatric tests apparently what he needs some cheese a little bit of chicken Smilly rubs and he come right down this man needs an animal And he come right down this man needs an animal

Dracula didn't loving it. Oh the only good the only good joke There was also look at me Rinfield. I'm drinking vine and eating chicken Well, this was a bill story made it to British TV and the airing of that story just happened to coincide with one of Ed and Lorraine Warren's vacations to England. Now Lorraine immediately believed that this was a case of demon possession, so she called the local police and told them so. Apparently this was enough for the police to get into contact with Bill so he could be connected to the Warrens. They just don't want to deal with him anymore. Yeah. After surmising that Bill was indeed possessed by some sort of wolf demon and always had been. Always had been.

Since he was nine, the Warrens convinced him to travel to Connecticut from England so he could be exercised by their man Father McKinnon. Yeah always. Put this guy on an airplane? Absolutely, yeah of course. Put the werewolf on the fucking tube that is literally 35,000 feet above the sky and then take him to Connecticut. Talk about like what an issue. Like talk about the idea of like oh we're having problems with immigration. Yeah dude, leave your werewolves in Europe.

Well he was in a kennel down below. He wasn't with everyone else. Well it took about a year for Bill to save up enough money for the trip. What? This whole time he's been fucking... So you mean to tell me... They're not going to pay for the werewolf to come? He's a hyper dangerous werewolf. He has to go take a second job to pay money to go get cured of being a werewolf.

There is no application anywhere for him to get a subsidy for him to go to Connecticut to not be a werewolf anymore. Hey man, the Warrens will take care of you once you fucking get there, but it's your job to get there, bro. But they are gonna- Does a hospital pay for a sick person to travel to the fucking hospital to get treatment? I do- don't- no, they don't. No, they don't. Jesus Christ. So why the fuck should the- why should you expect the Warrens to pay for this man's lycanthropy?

I used to get fought. Are you some kind of fucking socialist? I'm just saying I used to get flown for auditions So I feel like you know getting flown because Ed Lorraine Warren are making money on this Unfortunately actors get treated better than sick people in this country. Yeah, it's kind of nice I really appreciate it honestly Yeah, it's kind of nice. I really appreciate it honestly. Well when the night before the exorcism came, Bill allegedly tried to strangle his wife in her sleep, but once the exorcism began, Bill's face contorted and his hands turned

into claws. But when Father McKinnon demanded that the wolf demon leave, it did. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's why we're bringing him here to Connecticut. Because we got the best shit here. And it's nice. No more tootin'. You hear that? Not a single toot. What we did was we left the back door open and threw a pork chop out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We had to leave the back door open because he comes and goes, Let's go in. Let's go out. Let's go in. Let's go out. And then we put him in a car, we drove him out to the country, and let him out. You know? Never saw him again. Fucking some farmers problem. Oh my god, Bill Showbeckah! It's incredible. It's like homeward bound. That's how we ended up with seven fucking dogs. Yeah

People used to just drive out to the country and drop their dogs off and all of a sudden dogs at our house. At least it wasn't guys who thought they were dogs. So people really do bring the dogs to a farm upstate? Yeah. Well, they let them go to die. Well, that's the thing is that they say they take, what they do is they just drive out into the country, they'd throw the dog out of the door and then just kind of leave it to like, oh yeah, dog will fend for itself.

He'll find some kind of food. No, the dog shows up to the closest house and starts eating that dog's food, the dog that you got, but then you got another dog sometimes. It's really nice because I guess this dog Wilma through that that way and Wilma was the best Little dog see that's cute. Mm-hmm, but you probably got some bad dogs got some really bad dogs really really bad dogs Well, this was again all supposedly caught on camera the whole exorcism But no one outside of the immediate Warren circle has ever come forward to say that they've actually seen the exorcism of Bill Ramsey.

Even though nobody has seen the exorcism of Bill as far as we know, some of you may have seen the movie adaptation to our next story, although the Warrens weren't featured in that adaptation. There was an episode of the Tony Sparrow led Ed and Lorraine Warren series that used to be available on tape, used to buy on tape, now it's all on the internet. And I was watching one where they went through all of their quote-unquote proof. They were like we'll show you a bunch of videos and pictures, stuff that we've never shown anybody. And it's all orbs Every Single picture is orbs. Yeah, it is which orbs that are coming from them turning the flash up too high on the camera

I'm none of this. I was like this is when you show that stuff Yeah you've got if you have videos of because that's now the time cuz that you know the conjuring of course starts the Warrens are introduced with them giving that talk and they're showing a video of an exorcism and super creepy They never did they never ever ever ever once ever did anything like that. They showed some pictures Sure, and some stuff, but it was all orbs. Yeah all or nothing that compelling Nothing as compelling as what I will show at Contact in the Desert this weekend.

Of course, so highly compelling footage. Well, let's get into the story of the Snedekers, which was highly fictionalized in the movie The Haunting in Connecticut. It's almost so fictionalized, there's no point in watching the movie if you're trying to get information about the Snedekers. Yes. So as the story goes, the Snedeker family, comprised of spouses Alan Carmen, their three sons, their daughter, and two nieces, they all moved into a rental house in Southington, Connecticut in 1986. The move was ostensibly because their son Philip had Hodgkin's lymphoma, and the family was moving closer to where Philip was being treated.

The apartment they moved into was inside a large converted colonial home, but since there were so many kids, the Snedekers got permission to convert two rooms in the basement into bedrooms. Cool. Yeah. That's right. I love basement rooms. Yeah.

They are fun. But from what the Snedekers claimed, they were shocked to find that the basement was filled with mortician equipment. Fuck yeah. Like coffin handles, a chain and pulley casket lift and a fluid drainage pit toys Obviously their new residents had formerly been a funeral home And I feel like funeral homes have to be one of the least haunted establishments ever. Yeah, I think with cemeteries I never understood the cemetery thing. They're there resting. Yeah, they already they showed up dead. Yeah

That's like I've kind of heard that people talk about that like get ghosts do sometimes like Cemeteries have a sort of a reputation for being haunted, but normally they're not super haunted. Yeah, it's like calling a dump a restaurant. Yeah But since I suppose they had no choice the Snedekers went ahead and built their children's bedroom in the funeral home basement anyway. For some reason, they put the sick kid in the basement, and from the very first night, Philip claimed to hear strange voices and sounds. This is very like haunting of Hill House. He saw apparitions, like a man in a pinstripe suit with white hair

who would watch him as he slept. Just this kid coughing though. So terrifying was this room that Philip apparently begged to sleep at the hospital, but at the same time Philip was also going through a personality change. He started wearing leather, started reading all kinds of shit about the occult, and I'd say that's pretty par for the course for a kid sleeping in a converted mortuary prep room. Yeah! But pretty soon, Philip grew violent towards his family, and allegedly stole a gun from their neighbor so he could shoot and kill his dad.

After that, Philip was sent to live elsewhere, in the hopes that getting him away from the house would improve his behavior. But instead of following Philip, the dark entities of the Snedeker home turned to other family members. The other children heard voices and footsteps and smelled rotten meat and feces throughout the house. And the mother even once saw a bucket of mop water turn into a bucket of blood. I could do that pretty quickly. Not to brag. In a more direct assault, the mother claimed that she was taking a shower when the curtain allegedly wrapped itself around her neck so tightly that she couldn't move. But from there, the haunting took a cinematic turn. Just before an assault, both the mother and father claimed that

they would hear music that sounded as if it was from the 1930s coming from one of the bedrooms. Anything goes. Hey. We might be the Nazis, but we're lying about what we believe. Please let us please. Anything goes. Now what's interesting about this to me is that the people who lived in the haunted house in my hometown, they would say that they would hear the same thing coming from radios that were unplugged during the worst of their hauntings.

Very common. It's what's called during the infestation period. That's kind of what they use these various things to get you afraid. Because the idea is that you being afraid of the daemons doing all the stuff is what gives them power within the house But it's not just that ghosts like the party. They like radio. They like radios. They like music from the 1930s They for some reason that's all they like they like Tiny Tim. They like slowed down versions of old happy songs Imagine me and you

I do I think about you day and night It's only right Wow, you know the words to happy together As long as you can hold me tight And hold me tight So happy together I can't see me I'm a nobody like you

For all my life When you're with me Maybe the sky will be blue I'm a nobody like you for all my life! When you're with me, maybe the sky will be blue for all my life! That's why y'all are actors and I'm not, because y'all can remember that stuff. It's the turtles! Well, you know, it's funny about that family from my hometown. They also, like that's, this story like from when I was a kid, it kind of makes me believe a little bit more in haunted houses

Sure family actually fled the house in the middle of the night that one of those very cinematic moments They left behind all their possessions in such a fright that we as teenagers Years later would go to the house and find clothes in the closet with the tags still on so they were shoplifting clothes in the closet with the tags still on them. So they were shoplifting? Yeah, they didn't even wear the clothes they bought? No, you buy clothes and you come home, you put it in the closet, you don't take the tags off because you might return it later. It's true.

I'm willy-nilly with those tags, man. I rip them off immediately. Nah, dude, sometimes I save it. Sometimes I'm pending on weight gain because I know I'm going to be heading towards a fat time period and I have to kind of see how tight it's going to be. But the family in my hometown, they were taking a gamble anyway because y'all say that cemeteries aren't haunted, but the children's cemetery in my hometown, there was some shit going down there.

Well those kids were buried alive. How is it that things happen at those places after the ghosts are buried? Yeah. And pictures of that cemetery, by the way, will be in our next newsletter, which you can sign up for at LastPodcastOnTheLeft.com. I was going through some old pictures last night and came upon them. Wow. And they're really fun.

No, I bet. At least as fun as children's graves can be. But as far as the synetikers went, after the music was heard, one of the family members would say that they would soon expect to be assaulted or outright sexually molested. In one example, the mother claimed to flee the house with her niece, but the entity followed them and, according to the mother, quote, sodomized the niece the whole way down the road. That's hard.

That's very difficult and very weird. This is what we're saying about these later cases. They're so fucking weird. The claims are so outlandish. Definitely make it run faster. Yeah, I mean, but it's weird because I feel like if they also, you notice they become more sexual. Yes, they do. That's interesting.

I didn't pick up on that. These stories become more sexual as they go and I don't know necessarily why and they do involve the kids But it also it's weird that Ed it date. He's right telling them. He's writing the story as they go Well, this of course is around the time that Ed and Lorraine arrived They spent nine weeks with the Snedeker family describing as Lorraine put it a haunting rated at nine on a scale of one to ten The house was infested with demons,

so the Warrens organized an exorcism and an exorcism was had. The demons went elsewhere and the synodicers moved to another home where they quickly began collaboration on a book about their experience with the Warrens and made numerous television appearances with their new paranormal pals. Because the truth is, there's a lot of times with exorcisms they can, according to them, they just work and one exorcism they can do is you don't even have to be home you leave and the exorcism is done on The house while you're gone. They go in they fumigated with holy incense and priests walks around from room to room to room It has to be a pious priest like it's fucking bed bugs. Yes, you get your house tented They plug up the gas leak

Literally that's what they do. And they say that sometimes they can fumigate the home with all the Catholic bullshit and then leave and then the demons will be gone. Wow. Because they can't stay in there. Now according to the Snedeker's landlord, a guy named Darryl Kern, the Snedeker story is a complete hoax. According to him, and this is if you trust a landlord. Whoa!

Oh hey, come on. to him and this is if you trust a landlord. The Sneddickers, according to the landlord, were fully aware that the house was a former funeral home because when they first looked at the house, there was a big sign next to the front door that said Hallahan Funeral Home. I also imagine when you go to purchase a home... Well, they were renting. Well, still, it looks like a funeral home. Yeah, funeral homes do have a specific look, but this is Connecticut and those colonial houses all look like funeral homes

Yeah, the Snedekers however countered by saying that the sign was nailed over with plywood when they went and looked at the house But the landlord struck back saying that the paranormal activity Conveniently began just around the time that the Snedekers were falling behind on their rent I see that's a good lesson for our listeners. If you're having problems with your rent. Because I do believe, I might be wrong on this, SidesstoriesLPOTL.Gmail.com But I do believe there is a precedent for hauntings in your home

and not having to pay rent. I believe... There is absolutely not. I believe that there might be. I think that there was a case that they tried to set this up. They have to tell you if it's haunted. You can't even stop paying your rent if your heat doesn't work. I feel like that's us using the evangelical edge of the judicial system in our benefit. You still got to pay rent, but minus one third for the ghost. Neighbors who shared the home with the Snedekers likewise said that they never experienced any

paranormal activity, that the Snedekers knew they were moving into a former funeral home and that the claims of paranormal activity coincided with the late rent. In fact, and this could just be busybody neighbors, they thought that the Snedekers had the haunting story planned from the word go. The most talkative neighbor was a woman named Sandy. From what she said, all of this began when the Snedeker mother confided in Sandy that she was having nightmares. The mother soon escalated the situation by saying that her father was haunting her home

and that she was planning on calling the local demonologist Ed and Lorraine Warren. She just wanted to call Ed and Lorraine Warren. For some reason. Ed Warren, however, said that the only reason why the neighbors said any of this is because the landlord bought them off. Have you ever thought or heard of a landlord giving anybody money? That they didn't need to? I guess it's so, maybe, the only reason I could possibly ascertain is that the landlord

wanted to rent out the apartment without the stigma of the haunting. It's a commercial for the apartment. A lot of people are going to come in and rent the apartment because it's haunted. No way! Yes! Who wants that? Me!

Many people. I am not alone. There are many people. That is a literal advertisement. Just simply for the bump up of it and simply because you could probably charge Either more or less depending. Mm-hmm That's everything But Ed did sort of lose his shit on television when he was pressed for more details about the Snedeker haunting during an interview

When faced with the fact that nobody could prove that any exorcism took place, nor could Ed provide the name of the priest who performed the exorcism, Ed angrily said, quote, I don't have to give you anything. Losing his shit on television. Not a good look. Why not say it was McKenna, the guy who works with them? Because McKenna was probably like, please stop including me in your stories. I think McKenna was really close. Like I think McKenna liked probably like, please stop including me in your stories. I think McKenna was really close.

Like, I think McKenna liked the celebrity of it. Yeah, sure. I think he liked being the celebrity exorcist. Well, Ed said that the evidence of a priest being there could be proven by official records, but the local archdiocese reported that no sanctioned exorcisms ever took place in the Snedeker home. But now, let's get to the most damning story of all that was told by a horror writer named Ray Garten. Now Garten was hired to write the book about the Snedeker haunting and he became quite vocal over the years about how frustrating

it was to work with both the Snedekers and the Warrens. Garten by the way died just last month and deserves an RIP. Have fun being dead, Garton. Yeah, I wrote some like 60 horror books highly respected in the scene. See, Garton was hired directly by the Warrens to write a book about the Sneddickers. But when Garton talked to the family,

he found that each member had a different story to tell that didn't match up with any other family member. This is really when the wheels were just falling off. Like they didn't give a fuck anymore. Get your story straight. It's just they didn't care. They didn't, I don't think they cared at all. They were printing money, nobody gave a fuck. When Garten approached Ed Warren with these inconsistencies, Ed, according to Garten, said, quote,

They're crazy. All the people who come to us are crazy. That's why they come to us. Just use what you can and make the rest up. You write scary books, right? Well, make it up and make it scary. That's why we hired you. I mean, that's kind of dead right. They're all crazy.

Yeah. Now from what Ray Garten said the Snedeker family was an absolute mess and possibly criminals Garten claimed that the mother was running an illegal interstate lottery scam that she urged Garten to not mention in the book my whole lottery scam if you could not put that in the book that'd be pretty sweet how do you even run a lottery scan? I don't know. He wasn't specific on it. He was just like, this woman had her, she had some shit going on.

That was some, he's like some sort of scam with the lottery in different States. It's very Northeast. Yeah. Going across the borders. Yeah. Something about getting a bunch of scratch offs and then selling them, like stealing boxes and scratch offs and selling them. Don't write about the lottery scandal and if you want I could sell you some tickets You want some tickets to get this new Monopoly game is for winners in every ten

As far as Philip went the kid who supposedly kicked off this whole haunting Garton never met him and was only allowed to briefly speak to him on the phone once played by our friend Sam's brother Sam brother. Yeah, my friend Sam's brother. Sam brother? Yeah, my friend Sam's brother plays the little kid, plays the dude. He's actually a very famous actor. No shit. He's the son in A Haunting in Connecticut.

Oh that's nice. Well during that conversation, Philip said that the things he saw and heard in the house went away after he got on medication. And that's when the mother stepped in to put an end to the phone call. Even more wild is the possibility that Philip might have never even had cancer. When Darten spoke to the mother, she didn't seem to know much about Hodgkin's lymphoma, nor did she know much about treating the disease. And remember, the whole reason why they moved into the house was supposed to be because

the kid was getting his treatment. I probably just coughed it away. Yeah man, yeah it is. Yeah, worked it out of the system. He did it out. He'd go for a walk, everything's fine. Yeah, sometimes honestly if I have cancer, I party real hard one night. Little Brandy knocks it out.

Sometimes in the next day, I've knocked it right out. It's easy to do. And none of the neighbors ever heard anything about cancer from the Sneddickers. And the Sneddickers were a family who fucking talked about everything. What's worst, though, is the story behind the alleged ghost molestation. Allegedly, Philip confessed that he was the one who'd done all the fondling and groping, and this was the real reason why he was removed from the house. So he was sodomizing his sister down the street?. No that story wasn't true. That story was fucking bullshit

There was some fun he was getting inappropriate. Yeah, he was obviously he was having mental problem He was doing more than hump in the corner of the couch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Who's doing that? Lots of little kids. Yeah, a lot of kids do that. I love fucking the couch Yeah, really do I would don't you get hit with the newspaper for that or spray with a bar? That's bad for him supposed to give him treats Now of course the Warren said they had recorded evidence of supernatural activity But they refused to show it to Ray Garten who was really the one man in the world who should have seen it because he was writing a book about the alleged supernatural activity.

Well, he was, again, Ed was so jealous of his stuff. Yeah. He didn't want anybody to look at his stuff because he thought you'd have something over on him. Yeah. Well, also anything that Garten came up with would be scarier than orbs. Yeah, orbs. Yeah.

In fact, Garten was never even would be scarier than In fact Garten was never even allowed inside the house itself because the people who moved in after the snettikers Wanted nothing to do with the haunting or Ed and the rain Warren the new tenants said they never Experienced any paranormal activity, but Ed said of course they didn't because the priest had already exercised all the demons Yeah, it's already done. It's been worked out Those fucking demons were so out of shape before they got there You can find him on the internet Now Ray Garton was ostensibly hired to write a horror novel based on the Snedeker's accounts He was not commissioned to write a non-fiction book about a haunting. It was a horror novel This is one of those where I feel like I understand what he's saying but you were

working with the Warrens you know that's a part of the gig so he's doing this after the fact because they were all he signed up to write a fake nonfiction book about this haunting. I do agree I do believe that and then you find it after the fact everybody's a fucking scam artist oh this is actually really bad I don't want my name attached to this. Well he was highly dismayed to find that the book was marketed as nonfiction when it was released He did not expect this to be he wrote a fucking novel He didn't write a nonfiction book and looking at the Amazon reviews People are still taking Snedeker's book in a dark place as purely nonfiction

Well, just watch that movie because then you could see that nothing happened. Did that happen in the movie? Nothing happened. Yeah. Ray also spoke with other authors who'd written books for Ed and Lorraine and they all to a one confirmed Ray's experience with the Warrens. All of them had the opinion that the Warrens were total frauds or at least they were when it came to their books. Finally, Garton said that when he interviewed Snedekers, it was almost always the mother who did most of the talking and after the book was out, she reinvented herself as a spiritual advisor who had always had the so-called gift. She's even worked with Ed and the Reign's nephew, John Zaffis. This nephew supposedly told Garten that he's not

really a paranormal investigator, but is rather just working for what he calls the family business. Ed also talks a little bit and reveals a little bit that they franchised their paranormal investigation company. So what he would do too is that, yes would be quote-unquote Ed and Lorraine Warren, this is how they bumped their numbers, Ed and Lorraine Warren investigated your house. They'd send John Zaffis, they'd send these people that were literally just children, they would send like people that he hired that were his like little so-called outreach teams that would go in cover it for him, he'd roll in go like he'd make up

he'd redo all the story editing this kind of what it went from it's so interesting to see how Ed and Lorraine Warren went from that truly very homespun weird version of paranormal investigation that was kind of interesting like the idea of like staying outside of the haunted houses painting them kind of organically getting these stories beginning to build their own interest in the paranormal investigative world and build their quote-unquote skill set and then now they're at this point where It's like they went from Fucking you know, what's the name Roy McDonald to Ray Kroc? So now that we're here, let's get into the family business

So now that we're here, let's get into the family business. Oh, yay. Starting with just what sort of family life the Warrens had. Now, their daughter, Judy, had nothing more untoward to say about her parents other than that they were never around. She pretty much was raised by a grandmother. She also had no idea what they did for a living because Ed lied to her and said that he was a landscape artist. Just so you know, they did have a daughter, Judy, and they dumped her.

They literally got rid of her. So as soon as she got busy doing this, she was completely raised outside of the home. Who raised her again? Her grandmother. Oh, okay. But as Judy grew older, she learned from others what her parents did, and she started hearing the criticism that they were liars, grifters, and cynical opportunists. And while I do still think, even after all the stories we've told today that they were

sincere in their belief in the paranormal, I do find it hard to come to any other conclusion than that they were, at best, dishonest people. That's the best thing you can say about the Warrens. I don't know if it's, it's not about not having a belief in ghosts, it's that their belief in their religion Yeah, is what was their bottom that was their base was that they were and very very You know They were they were very pious

Catholics well also they had a standard of living that they needed to keep up and eventually every ghost is real and they got To keep pumping out the stories. Yes. Now when their daughter Judy was 21, she met a cap named Tony Sparra who was instantly drawn to Ed and Lorraine. He began attending their lectures and Judy soon had someone to talk to about her frustrations concerning the public's opinion of her parents. Tony bought into the act completely and soon he and Judy were married. Does it not give, side story is lptlagmo.com, does it not give you the ick if your partner's

like a bigger fan of your parents than you are? Like a fan? Like if you have somebody where your parents do something in a public aspect and they're like super excited? I mean you gotta like them like a little bit. Sure. Like you gotta like say yeah if you're dating like you know Billy Joel's daughter you gotta like at least piano man. You better. Yeah. Yeah how would he not else get a warning every single time you put on Just the Way You Are where you're having sex with his daughter. Man I tell you what though I went and saw Billy Joel on his 70th birthday over at Madison Square Garden and it was New York state of mind time. You know who came out and sang it? His daughter. I'm always really mad about this.

Go fuck that shit. I was so mad. In New York. Dad fucking. Her name's like Stephanie. Fuck that. I don't care. Get out of here Stephanie. Nobody gives a shit. Yeah man. Now while the occult scared the hell out of you. I'm with you. I'm 100% with you on that. I'm with you. Yes.

Now while the occult scared the hell out of Judy, Tony was fascinated, and he was soon assisting Ed and Lorraine in their investigations. When Ed died in 2006, Tony took over the Occult Museum, and when Lorraine died in 2019, Tony took over everything having to do with the Warren's paranormal history, but when it came but when it comes to Ed and the rain Warren's legacy It's quite possible that Ed may have pulled a bit of a Jimmy Savile. Okay, see this is my thing man You're at you are fucking talking shit about the number one child molester of all time Don't compare Ed Warren to Jimmy Sal. I said Jimmy Sal will change the child molesting game Is it a bit of a Jimmy Sal? Yeah, it's shared because it shares some similarity. It's like comparing me to Richard Pryor

Even though you look like Richard Trifus. I do share his opinions. Well just as Jimmy Savile died before any of his crimes came to light, it was alleged that Ed had groomed and engaged in an ongoing sexual relationship with an underage girl with Lorraine's full awareness and complicity, but that only came out a good 13 years after Ed died. Judith Penny, sometimes referred to, it's the worst somehow. Yeah, it does. She met Ed Warren in 1963 when she was 15 and he was 37. Sexy.

This, however, was not Ed Warren, the famous paranormal investigator. This was Ed Warren, the bus driver. Yeah, dog. He didn't need that fucking money to have that swag. And Judith Penny rode Ed's route to her high school every day That's how they met and was her bus driver Allegedly Judith moved in to Ed and Lorraine's home when she turned 16 because from what they said, she had a terrible family life. She was trying to escape, didn't really have anything.

They took her in, but she soon began a sexual relationship with Ed that lasted until his death in 2006, all with Lorraine's knowledge and consent. That's how Sandusky got his victims. He would take underprivileged kids at a bad time at home, and he would pick them up and bring them to a camp. Yeah. Yeah, that is exactly how he did it. It's how a lot of molesters do it.

It seems to be like almost a way that they groom them in a large, kind of almost big batch. Are you saying there's a pattern? No. I mean, wait. It is interesting. Do you remember Sandusky's nickname no tickle monster His book remember the book no touched

It's better than groped You know I would have been too on the nose But yeah, she was, so in this home, Judith, some are called a Judith instead of Judy, Judith was kind of like the sex wife, and Lorraine was the business wife. Yeah. Well from her sworn statement, Judith Penny originally lived in a bedroom directly opposite the Warrens, but Ed soon built an apartment for her above their home and Ed would spend alternate nights between Judith and Lorraine. Furthermore, Judith claimed that she became pregnant by

Ed Warren in 1978 when Judith was 30 years old. Fearing what this might do to their reputation at the height of their fame, this is like right after Amityville, the very Catholic Lorraine Warren allegedly pressured penny to get an abortion Yeah, it's also weird cuz you know He was just so excited about the the Amityville things that he had to fucking come inside all this time He could have done anything else you could have come on the on the belly. Yeah, and then on the head But this time yet, he would have been in his late 50s. Yeah, dude Yeah, our late 40s early 50s somewhere around there still shooting

Well, this pressure came after Ed and Lorraine tried to get Judith to tell people she'd gotten pregnant after being raped. And when she refused to do that, when she refused to lie, she got the abortion instead. And after that, Ed and Lorraine gave her a stern lecture, presumably about doing what she was told. Presumably about being grateful. Unlike many of the Warrens' cases, Judith Penny's story does line up with police reports. When Judith moved in with Ed and Lorraine in 1963, their relationship raised eyebrows even then, and they were soon

reported to the police. Judith said that she spent a night in jail where police tried to persuade her to sign a statement that would result in Ed Warren's arrest. And this is a time period when that shit was barely, barely like sought after or punished. Like that's wild to me. People saw like this is fucked up. Yeah, this is fucking weird. Like at this time period like no one even thought of crimes against children, truly. Yeah, Jerry Lee Lewis just married his 13 year old cousin. Yeah, because I wonder why they were so mad about this one. Elvis Presley married a 14 year old. they're probably just looking for a way to take these people down. Maybe she didn't like him I mean at this point he's a bus driver who cares. It's good point. Yeah

Weird I mean he had but they had been doing the paranormal stuff for a bit But way under the radar like they're still hobbyists at this point But Judith Penny, like I said, she'd come from a hard life and she had nowhere else to go, so she refused. Instead, she was ordered by the court to report to a delinquent youth officer for the next month and in an act of extreme arrogance, it was Ed Warren himself who drove her to the mandated meetings. But concerning whether or not Lorraine was really cool with this arrangement or if it was something that Ed forced upon her

Judith claimed that Ed was often verbally and physically abusive towards Lorraine once backhanding her hard enough to knock her unconscious In other words, this is all a far cry from God brought us together for a reason Now this story didn't do a bit of damage to the Warren's reputation nor did it dissuade anyone from making more conjuring movies. I would be surprised if Even a small minority of you listening out there have even heard these stories Yeah, this story broke in 2017 and since then we've had the nun Annabelle comes home the nun to and the conjuring three the conjuring 4 by the way is set to start filming in Atlanta any day now and the subject of this one is gonna be the fucking Smurls and their rapacious old lady snake ghost. Oh, I hope it's played by Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, and I also noticed upon looking at his IMDB

James Wan who directed the first two Conjuring movies, incredible director, you know, Furious 7, saw all that shit, both the first two insidious movies, Conjuring 2 was the last Conjuring movie he directed. And since then, it's kind of settled into a story and producer role for any of the Conjuring Universe movies. He does do that though. He didn't, because he didn't start insert because the last movie he directed I believe was Malevolent and then he is more of an executive producer slash like showrunner Oh, you're a thing now. He directed the Aquaman movies. Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, Evelyn. He's trying to get away with it

He's directing a lot. He's actually his next movie is a Cthulhu movie No, dude is like directing. Oh, why is he getting a Cthulhu movie? He's done has to should be Guillermo del Toro It's the only thing he might make not boring Toros he technically the Cthulhu guy even though he's fucking all of the stuff Makes incredible movies, you know like pans labyrinth I fell asleep during the shape of water is good I'll voted hey, that's America. I'm with you. That's America Well, it also didn't damage the conjuring's reputation when Judith Penny admitted that the ghost and Ed Warren's famous Union Cemetery video

The one video that he would show, it was just her wandering around in a white sheet like so much Scooby Doo. Yeah, that's pretty damning. That one was pretty rough. But she also, because what's weird too is that she never had a, like, she never had anything wrong to say about Ed Warren. She was one of those where she was like, yeah, it was all like this, but technically I loved him for decades.

Yeah. But when it comes to the Warrens' the state's claims that there's no truth to Penny's claims, there were some very interesting provisions in Lorraine Warren's contract with Lute New Line Cinema concerning the conjuring movies. These provisions said that the films could not show her or her husband engaging in crimes, including sex with minors. Furthermore, neither Ed nor Lorraine could be depicted as participating in an extramarital sexual relationship. My clauses similar to this aren't uncommon when people sell the rights to their stories, but according to one talent attorney quoted in the Hollywood Reporter story about Judith

Penny, rarely, if ever ever are provisions in these contracts so Specific well the thing is is that um it's cuz he was having sex with minors And he did have an extramarital sexual relationship, so they did they had to put that yeah They had to put that in but I think a lot of people they were having sex with minors don't want it in their biopic Use it, but it's most of the time, rarely is it so specific? It's Jerry Lee Lewis Elvis I guess in the new Priscilla movie yeah, that was like a rough one, but that was like the serious one that was about Priscilla Yes, yeah But she said this attorney said like this it's pretty common to say like don't show me doing any crimes

Nothing illegal anything like that, but very rarely is it like spit like don't show me fucking children Yeah, because very rarely does the other person in unless they're Woody Allen have a very long public marriage to a former child Yeah, few even though we all are former children You have to wait for them to not be one anymore Now the whole reason why penny story surfaced was because of a legal battle over the conjuring's profits that started even before the first movie was released. Of course! Gerald Brittle, author of The Demonologist, claimed that his book was used as the plot for The Conjuring, but he was not compensated in any way whatsoever. Now the whole reason why Penny's story surfaced was because of a legal battle over the conjuring's profits that started even before the first movie was released.

Yeah, because they fucked over everybody that they touched! Mm-hmm. Gerald Brittle, author of The Demonologist, claimed that his book was used as the plot for The Conjuring, but he was not compensated in any way whatsoever. The studio, meanwhile, claimed that because the movie was explicitly stated to be BASED on a true story, they didn't need to pay copyright claims to Gerald Brittle. Interestingly, according to Brittle, the screenwriters for The Conjuring were told specifically to NOT read The Demonologist to avoid a scenario such as this.

But you're telling the story that this story is based upon, which is featured entirely, word for word, constructed by Admiral Lorraine Warren in The Demonologist, so there's no fucking way anything that you do that is going to be dissimilar enough to The Demonologist for him not to sue you. It was going to happen because he was the one that was given the Ed and Lorraine story, and then they decided to try to take that away from him and give it to somebody else

because they didn't want him to have that money. They wanted to have all the money. This would have been his chance to have been like, it was all bullshit. He didn't want, but he all money. They wanted to have all the money This would have been his chance to been like it was all bullshit If they would have just paid him he would have just kept his fucking mouth shut which is the issue here So then he did sue he did settle outside a court. Yeah, he sued for nine hundred million dollars Yeah, that's a lot, but and they settled. Yeah, they settled so he made 900 Here's some McDonald's money. That's good at any McDonald's

Now the lawsuit is Convoluted as lawsuits always are but basically brittle and an ex-producer who was pushed out wanted their cut and when the studios didn't give It to him they went public with the sworn statement from Judith Penny. Although in the end it obviously Did not fucking matter. Ed and Lorraine Warren made a lot of money over the course of their career. Even though they never charged a so-called client, they co-authored nine books, constantly toured the paranormal lecture circuit for 30 years, and they worked as consultants on multiple movies. According to Judith Penny, even though she said she loved Ed Warren

Ed and Lorraine's real God was money But while the conjuring movies may very well be good superhero fun, it's really a game of ratios. In my opinion, the gulf between fantasy and reality concerning the Warrens in these movies is just as large as the difference between what their actual appearances were when compared to Dream Boat's Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga. Of course. In other words, when you hear based on a true story, a more accurate statement would be vaguely based on a story from some guy, kinda.

And I would also advise you to take everything making such claims with a massive grain of salt. So thank you for listening to this series that was based on a true story Absolutely accurate 100% I don't care what anybody says I do kind of feel like bad that I can't ask Ed Warren for marriage advice because between him Woody Allen and Jimmy Savile they made their marriages work Jimmy Savile they made their marriages work. I actually don't think Jimmy Savile ever married. He was a confirmed bachelor. Marriage and lifestyle. See it's just hard to talk about him. So patreon.com slash last podcast on the left go and see us talk about this in person flopping

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What are you scared of? You said fucking the football field away. You're like, that's cool. You're not scared of a volcano No, not the Iceland one. So we're flying above up. No, this is this one's fine. This isn't that kind of volcano I mean, yeah It probably is gonna destroy the town of Grindelvik and it might destroy the Blue Lagoon, which is one of their biggest tourist destinations Don't worry, they're actually they're actually better hot springs to go to the blue goons a tourist trap There are much cooler places to go fire. They need six flags No, I'll take y'all some cool some cool ones outside of Reykjavik, okay, this is great So next week we're gonna have a one-off little true crime story that I think it's gonna be really disgusting

And then we are doing another long-form series that I also but I find fascinating very fascinating No, this is gonna be a story with a lot of ends a lot of outs like is a and not like John Holmes This is a story that I've been wanting to tell for a long time, but it's it's it's a complicated story It's a fascinating story. It's one for me. It's one of the great stories of the 1970s So I'm really excited about this one ever since I joined the show. Yes Yeah, no, they've been waiting to put been waiting for the right been waiting to be ready for this one because it's like this one We want to fucking get right. Yes This is gonna be great. And also this is just remember

There's nothing wrong to be about being a con person if you if everybody's having fun Yeah, right and then also cut people in that's my thing is that if you want to run a proper con Pay the right people out. Mm-hmm. I'd like you got it like you know give the people to help you help them help you help them and Make sure everyone is above the age of 18 key Cuz then it don't matter, you know, cuz then big floppies can be out no matter what I'm because that's not a little girl That's a woman 21 is a good number. I think 21 is safer. Yes, and then you can go to a bar Yeah, they can go to a bar with them and have a good time

Yeah, you know 24 is probably even better cuz then they can start developing their brains and have a decent conversation with you That seems to be a hassle All right 24. Yeah, you're pretty good. And to also respond, yes, I am quite like Richard Pryfus. In terms of my scope and abilities as a comedian. Scope and abilities. So you're to Richard Pryor what Ed Warren was to Jimmy Savile. Yeah.

Great. Even though you look like a cross between Richard Pryfus and Richard Moranis. Wow. I take that as a compliment Hell Satan again. Hell contact in the desert. Yes For this goodbye This show is made possible by listeners like you Thanks to our ad sponsors, you can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to, go to LastPodcastNetwork.com.