Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 587: UFO Roundup - Contact in the Desert 2024 w/ Dave Foley

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

This week the boys are joined by Kids in the Hall Alumni and Host of Really?!. with Tom and Dave - Dave Foley joins the show LIVE from Contact in the Desert 2024 for an in-depth conversation about the UFO phenomenon. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to ad-free new episodes and get exclusive access to bonus content.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Honestly, I think the reason why I am so hungover is because it has been difficult to get food. Are you on the food plan? The food plan here?

No, I wasn't. I'm not. I don't think I might be. Who knows? I'm not good at knowing things. I'm not good at details about my own life. Do people just hand you food? Well, this show should be great.

Yeah. Welcome to the last podcast on the left, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us today. Hello. We can't hear your applause. Yes. Your applause doesn't matter. We can't hear it.

My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zabrowski. Yes. Hi, hello. Welcome to a very special edition of last podcast on the left, sent directly into your headphones as you sit in the chair here in the steer lounge. And Ed Larson.

Hello. And with us today is a very special guest, our man Dave Foley, host of the podcast really, and of course, alum of Kids in the Hall. Everyone give Dave a hand. Yeah. You're very good. It's an honor, everyone give Dave a hand. Yeah. Yeah. You're very good. It's an honor, buddy.

It is an honor. Thank you. It's an absolute honor for all three of us. I'm assuming it's a pleasure for me to be here. Yeah. I'm, you know, so far, so far the evidence is, is, is piling up that it's a pleasure to be here. Things are fine so far.

Yeah. And just so you guys know, a lot of people are super curious about Dave's illustrious comedy career and all the incredible things that he's done in acting and comedy. And we're not going to talk about a single one of those things. We're not going to broach his history. We're not going to talk about the people he knows, the incredible show business connections

he has. I'm just here to talk about my porcelain figurine collection. Really? Yeah. They're my friends. They're my little friends. You kind of look like a Hummel. Yeah, I'm definitely looking more and more like porcelain as I get older. So Nate, your podcast, of course, is all about aliens.

That's why we're here at Contact in the Desert. And it's a guest-based podcast. You have a lot of guests on. So what is your favorite type of guest to have? Like military, civilian, academic? It's weird. I mean, it's something like some of the most moving ones have been like friends that, like one was my friend Robin Roseanne,

who I didn't even know had had an UFO experience, and I've known her for over 30 years, like almost 40 years. And she'd been living with this incident in her life, and been like ashamed of it. It was like carrying that around. And we also had a friend of Tom's who had an abduction experience.

And I think it's like had an abduction experience. And I think it's like those kind of human stories. But then we definitely had some really amazing guests on some from the military. We had a Marriott Wood who saw a huge, a UFO he described as being the size of a Walmart above a nuclear missile silo. You know? I love that stuff. Like the Hudson, it sounds a lot

like the Hudson Valley incident. Well, that's my friend Robin was in the Hudson Valley incident. Yeah. Yeah. So she was there and she said like her whole neighborhood, like the thousand people were out in the street looking at this gigantic craft.

And then like the next day, no one would talk about it. Like everybody just went Everyone will think we're crazy. It's the stigma was real for a very long time now. I feel like yeah I don't know is it still a stigma not in this room. No not here. No, why are you here? To the UFO sickness like why do you have this? Yeah, has it always been like when you were writing, having a good attitude about menstruation, were you reading alien books in between all those sketches? I was always interested in it.

And I did write some sketches about aliens. Some of them I kind of regret a little now. But it was always something I was interested in. And even when I was doing news radio, you know, like Joe Rogan and I would talk about UFOs all the time back in those days. Oh, yeah. That's right. That you were with.

But that was like before for a long time, Rogan was a skeptic. Well he well he was a hardcore believer back in the 90s. And then yeah, then I was going to I was actually going to go on his podcast. And the night before, I texted him and said, Joe, you're going to be excited to know that I'm deep into UFOs right now. And he texted back, that's all bullshit. Yeah.

I was like, what the fuck? He went through a whole phase where he was deeply anti-UFO. And then I was really surprised when he was like, kind of now the face of the new whistleblower movement. You can thank me for that. Because that night after he texted that I said, really? Well, I texted him a bunch of movies that I thought he should watch.

You know, one of them was Jeremy Corbell's Bob Lazar movie, but also some James Fox's stuff and then like at four in the morning I get a text from Joe saying, I'm back in. So what was it that turned you back around to this like new Renaissance of alien interest? Well, I think the thing that really got me was James Fox's movie Out of the Blue. Yeah. Yeah. Which was like, I think it was the first documentary

I saw that was well- one, well-made. Yes, very well-made. Had Peter Coyote narrating it, so it seemed, you know, sounded authoritative. And it was also just, it was the first time I was exposed to a lot of the, you know, these incredible witnesses from military and government and fighter pilots from all over the world, all these amazing stories that I wasn't aware of. It was the one that turned both me and my wife around.

It was like we just watched it on a whim one night and by the end of it, we looked at each other and like, oh, fuck. Yeah, it was just sort of going, well, I like to think of myself as a smart person and if this is going on as a smart person, I should be paying attention. And how was I discouraged from caring about this

for so long? Yeah, and I guess to that point, like what type of witness do you consider to be the most trustworthy? Like the most? I mean, I mean, I think probably the fighter pilots. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, just because there's, I mean... They have so much to lose.

Well, yes. And that's what they do. They look out of cockpit all day. Yeah, and their training, because there's always that, to be generous, I'll call them those idiots who will say, well, you know, eyewitness testimony is the worst kind of testimony. And I was going, well, all right, that makes, yeah, if you're standing in a bank and a bunch of people

come in with guns and hold the place, yeah, you're not going to be a great witness because you're going to be panicked and you're going to be fearful great witness because you're gonna be panicked and you're not gonna be, you know, you're gonna be fearful and that's gonna affect your, but I say like, but like if you ask, like ask me to walk through a park and then when I get to the other end, say, Dave, tell me all the plants you saw.

So I'll be pretty vague. I'll say, oh, I saw some trees, I saw a palm tree, I saw some, there was grass and some shrubs, all right? But if you ask a botanist to walk through that park and at the other end of it say, well, tell us what you saw, you'll get a lot more detail. But if you tell the botanist beforehand, we want you to tell us everything you see in this park.

At the other end of it, they'll have incredible detail and they'll have observed very closely everything. And that's what fighter pilots do because they know after every mission they fly, they'll be debriefed, even if nothing happens. They'll be debriefed on it and they'll have to give a full account of everything they did on that mission.

And you'll definitely have to tell that botanist to shut that ever living fuck up. Yeah, yeah. You should shut up about the plants. Yeah, why are you doing this? Why did I ask you to do this in the first place? That's what makes me just fascinated about fighter pilots, passenger

jet pilots, you know, that the amount that have been coming out now, it's just, it's mind boggling to think of how many there are that have said nothing. Yeah. That they're afraid to come out there. There has to be thousands. Yeah. And still, I mean, there was like, cause pilots who did say things in the past, they're, you know, they got, they lost their chance to fly planes anymore. Especially if you work for Delta. They don't want people like that. Yeah, I want my experiencers in the Delta lounge.

I'll hang with them in the lounge and it's nice to hang out at the Cabo Wabo. But having them fly the plane would scare me. Yeah. You're like, that's not what I want. I do. You think this UFO wants to play chicken? We just had a conversation with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell. And one of the things that we talked about was the fact that a lot of these guys kind

of get off on the fact that they have secrets. There is that other side of it where they're... And then I also, George Knapp kept bringing up the fact that some people do actually are like our patriots. Yeah. Yeah. I forget. Yeah. Yeah. Because the word patriot to me is a bad word. Yeah. It's been it's been colored. Yeah. You know, by horrible people. Yeah. Also, like, why would you pat yourself on the back from just coming out the vagina wherever you're at? You didn't choose it. Yeah.

Well, some argue. I don't believe it. But some say we choose our parents. God. Yeah. I did. I didn't. I did.

No, man. If that's really on me me then I owe me an apology Yeah, now when it comes to this subject don't you feel like secrecy is counterproductive to learning anything Well, sir. Well, it's certainly the people that aren't keeping the secret. Sure. Yeah, but Well, that's the thing. I mean, I'm sympathetic to the notion that there are things that need to be kept secret. You know, there are national security concerns,

because there are adversaries that do wish us harm. And, you know, and of course, they feel the same way about us, you know. But- Can you mention giving all of these secrets to other comedians? You know what I mean? Like, this is not, like, just the fact that comedians

are embracing this subject and they're the least respected, least trusted source of, as they should be, as they're supposed to be. So it does sort of seem very appropriate. To keep the secrets from us or to give them to us? Maybe to give them to us. Maybe the idea is to give, let us, like that's why we're getting all these great guests in the UFO world. Well, you know, here's the thing. Comedians were, for decades,

we were really good, useful idiots for creating the stigma. You know, comedians played an outsized role in really harming people who had had these experiences. Yes. Oh, I mean, how many anal probe jokes have been made? I wrote a whole sketch about it, man. Say no. Yes.

I've made many probing jokes in the last, probably 25. Yesterday, you made 25 yesterday. In my defense, when I wrote that sketch, it wasn't really about aliens, it was about how I felt about being in the kids in the hall at the time. So I was like, I was really going, it was year five, how many more of these fucking sketches can I write? Oh, we got to be so edgy. and sketches can I write? Oh, we gotta be so edgy.

You know? So on your podcast, which guest to you has been the most surprising? Oh, the most surprising. Or even the most fascinating. Well, now I gotta try and remember names because I always forget everybody's names. Oh, so do I.

Because even my family members. I just do it by shape and colors. Yeah. I mean, we can definitely. Well, you don't have to. Well, I would say, I mean, Whitley Strieber was a challenging interview. That's also another adjective we can use when talking about UFO gases, challenging. Yeah, because that also another adjective we can use when talking about UFO gases, challenging. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cause that was like, well, huh? And it's like, so much stuff was coming at us. Tom and I were both going, hold on. And let's go back to this 11 year old who shows up in your yard. Let's talk. Yeah. What?

And we're trying to figure it out. But that was a very, yeah, there was a lot to sort of try and grasp and keep straight in your head when you're talking to him And I guess I'll go back to Mario Woods was a really incredible like his story was was pretty Surprising there was details. I hadn't heard before Do you feel like you've we've you've already opened your life to so many psychopaths by being in show business? Yeah, like is this not just a further descent

into bringing like kind of unreasonable, undealable with humans into your life? Well, look, that ship had sailed when I agreed to work with the other kids in the hall. Yeah. You know, I gave up any hope of living amongst reasonable people. Yeah. At least it gives you a good, like, that's a very good barometer then.

It's good armor. Yeah, I just realized, you know, you know who was also very surprising was Richard Dolan. But it was really surprising because he was a huge Kids in the Hall fan. Really? Which I did not anticipate at all. He was like, yeah, he was like fanboying. And I was like, oh my God, you know, and I was trying to think, I don't think I ever remember seeing Richard Dolan laugh. Yeah, literally. I don't think I've ever seen him smile.

No, no, he's always so serious. Yeah. So that was a real surprise. That was a delightful surprise. Yeah. Is there anyone in Hollywood or are there people, how prevalent is like the belief in aliens and mainstream Hollywood? I think it's probably about the same as with any other community, you know, I think it's, I definitely know people that have had experiences and won't talk about it because they're afraid of the stigma still, you know, they don't want to be considered, you know, crazy UFO people. You know, and then, but then again, once I started talking about UFOs publicly,

I was also startled by the number of people who came, you know, came over to me with their stories and, you know, told me what had happened, you know, to them. Well, before we get, I mean, you mentioned the Mario Woods story and I know you want to talk about that one, but before we get to that- I don't want to talk about anything.

Yeah. That's a real comedian. You came out with your own UFO experience. Like a very real credible UFO experience. I saw the drawing that was done of your sighting. Tell us about that. Tell us about that night. Yeah, well, that was pretty, yeah, that was, it's weird in ways that aren't just

about the UFO part of it. Yeah, I was with my, well, you were just talking to Jeremy Korbel earlier. It was with my friend Jeremy, who I'd become friends with because I was talking about his movie with Joe on Joe's podcast. And so, and Jeremy reached out to me on Twitter and we, so we became friends.

And then, so after we were friends for a few years, I was out visiting Jeremy and we were out walking his dog, you know, out on a sort of a country road. And it was a beautiful night. There are all these, and I was standing there like looking at all the commercial air traffic way off in the distance, you know, and going, and thinking, thinking wow, this is such a this would be a great night to see something And 30 seconds later Jeremy goes Dave turn around and I turn around and off right where I had been looking at the air traffic

There was this orangey gold object, you know, you know about ten times bigger than anything else over there. And it was pulsing with this orange light and had three white lights on the front of it as it was coming around. And it was like a sort of a rounded triangle shape, you know, and like this kind of like a like a yield sign. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Sort of like those hearts that are being sold made out of quartz over in the March area Oh, I'm always should go get one You should go get that gonna really rebalance you. Yeah, and I and I should get some of the muscariot over there

What's muscariot? Oh mushrooms Their legal ones yeah, I have some but we have some yeah, yeah, but yeah, so it's something and and Yeah, I have some, we have some, we can get you some. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so it's all this thing, and it circles this valley that we're in. Like I said, it goes from like a two o'clock position in the sky all the way around to about a seven o'clock position, and neither of us, like, we didn't say anything, we didn't react to it, we were both just completely silent and calm, neither one of us got excited, except at one point Jeremy goes,

I'm not even going to try to take a picture. And I know that Jeremy practices getting his phone out and getting the settings right and you know. Like a quick draw? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think he's got like a galaxy phone with the great lenses on it, you know, just for that purpose. And me, it didn't even occur to me to even think about taking a picture.

That's what they say. That's why I get the complaint a lot over all the years of people saying, why is there no good footage? After all of this time, with all of this technology, like why? Every person in the world has a camera in their pocket. Yeah. Because thankfully the phenomena largely impresses you to a point where you don't necessarily want to take a picture immediately. Yeah. Because thankfully the phenomena largely impresses you to a point where you don't necessarily want to take a picture immediately. Yeah well I

actually felt like when it was over because again we said nothing till it finally went off behind the mountains and then Jeremy goes dude that was a UFO and I go yeah I think that was a UFO and then we started talking but I felt like the thing we were looking at was in control of how we responded to it. Yeah, that's what I hear that time and time again. I felt the same thing when I saw Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, yeah.

Why am I not screaming? Yeah. Yeah. Or why am I still here three hours later? Stop playing Rosalita. Yeah. Well, I very much appreciated the way that you went on Twitter with it. Did you draw that yourself?

I did. Well, that's the other weird thing is I can't draw, but then the next day I thought I wanted... Because I felt like this memory was getting pulled out of my head already. Yeah. And so I sat down with my iPad and opened up an app I'd never used before, immediately found exactly the colors I needed,

found exactly the tools I needed to draw it. And like 15 minutes, I went, oh, okay, I'm done. And again, I can't draw at all, I have no ability. And I- It's a very evocative picture. Yeah, and I sent it to Jeremy right away and said, is this what we saw? And he said, yeah, that's exactly what it looked like.

You know? Damn. It's incredible. But I do also appreciate your responses. Your responses to other people, it was the classiest way to say, I know what I saw that I've ever read. Yeah, well, I mean, to me it was just, I figured,

you know, I guess part of my whole career, I've never really cared much about what you shouldn't talk about, obviously, in the kind of comedy that I've always done. So I thought, well, I don't really care what people think of me. So if I can go out and talk about it, maybe like lessen the burden that somebody out there has people think of me. You know, so, so if I can go out and talk about it, maybe make sort

of maybe like lessen the burden that somebody out there has who's like walking around with this an experience that they don't talk about. It probably also makes you a much better sympathetic interviewer to people who've seen some shit. So you can't, you don't immediately go like, and what, you take a picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. and it's like, and people kept saying, you know, if this is real, how come you, why, I mean, you're out there investigating this and trying to prove it.

I said, I'm not interested in proving it. I have zero interest in proving that I saw this. It's, you know, I'm just telling you an experience I had, and you don't have to believe it. I really don't care. Unfortunately, again, Dave, you're new to UFO culture, so you're being too reasonable. So I need you to sort of up the anger,

I need more reactionary energy from you. Yes, I know, because it's, yeah, what I love, and I was talking to George and Jeremy, I love the people that their whole attitude is, I'm bored, tell me something new. I don't care if you go to prison for it. I just want things to stay the same. I want things to stay the same, I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of the new. Well, I guess speaking of going to prison, like how do you feel like as sort of a person who's new to this world, like how do you feel the whistleblower movement is going right now? How's it going? How's it going?

Like how do you see this whistleblower movement? Well, I think it's been very effectively crushed. You know, I mean, it's, but not entirely crushed. I mean, I mean, you know, I think it's been very effectively crushed. I mean, it's, but not entirely crushed. I mean, I think- Effectively crushed. Crushed, yes. I think we still have this, David Grush is still, I think, heroic for what he's done.

And I think people like Grush and Lou Elizondo, these people who are willing to really sacrifice their own security, their own, you know, like people, they're losing their retirement incomes. You know, they're tearing Grush apart now. They're tearing him apart. They came out, they told, they released his bipolar disorder diagnosis. They released all this stuff to basically say they're bipolar disorder diagnosis, they released like all this stuff to basically say they're slamming them because I guess he's skipping out on meetings with Arrow. He's supposed to be going to meet with them and they're like, well, he didn't show up to his appointment.

Yeah. Well, that's the thing. And of course, no one's going to meet with Arrow because they're full of shit. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Everyone knows Arrow is a complete sham. And so most of the people that know, like most of the people that are sort of queued up to be whistleblowers,

none of them want to talk to Arrow because no one trusts them. You've got, you know, if you've got Sean Kirkpatrick going around, you know, his campaign of character assassination, not just DeGrasse, he's like, you know, he's basically calling anyone in Congress who's taking this seriously, deluded.

And they're part of a religious cult. So you've got, and that's going all the way up to people like Chuck Schumer, Mike Rounds. So it's like, yeah, there's a lot, not a lot to encourage people to go to Arrow. Sure, I mean, what Arrow, the way that they look at it, it reminds me of when Fife Symington, the mayor of Phoenix, who was in power after the Phoenix.

Still only want a beat down here. Yeah, well, you don't know, like Fife, like the Phoenix Lights is, you know, possibly one of the largest and most widely seen UFO events in recent times, Fife Simington, the mayor came out and said, guys, listen, we solved it. We've got the perpetrators.

And he brought out a guy in an alien costume. Well, it's also handcuffs on him and it was insulting. Yeah, yeah. But he's also the dude who let Joe Arpaio go wild for however long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, said, and I saw it. He said, I saw the craft. And he said, I'm a pilot. That was not anything that we have. And your name's Fife, dude. What are you some kind of like grasshopper apprentice to a magician?

Yeah. Like that is the weirdest name I've ever heard for a governor. Yeah, Fife Simonton. Fife Simonton? Mm-hmm. Well, when we're talking about like- Well, his brother Piccolo Simonton. Oh, when we're talking about like, well, his brother, Piccolo, Simonton. Oh, hello, welcome to Arizona.

Don't mind the rats. They are my family. Well, I guess recently, like, you know, we've had a certain, like, you have, I guess more like alien stories in the news. The mummy, the Peruvian mummy. Yeah, see, that's the thing. I keep thinking like my aperture of credulity,

I keep thinking I can keep it tight. I can keep it focused. And then the mummies come along and I go to myself, okay, that I can just, that's just bullshit, right? I don't have to pay attention to that. And then it turns out you do have to pay attention to it. Welcome to ufology. Yeah, because there's a lot of people I don't have to pay attention to that. And then it turns out you do have to pay attention to it. Welcome to ufology.

Yeah, because there's a lot of people studying these things and saying, oh, these are not manufactured. They have bones in them. They are definitely some form of construct. They don't know exactly, but they do believe that might they might be some form of ceremonial baby mummy. Yeah. Which is cute as hell.

Yeah, but it's a whole ballot Baldwin if he doesn't. Yeah. Hopefully his trial goes well so he can play baby mummy. But there's a it's a whole thing. Did you see the when the way they brought it in to the Peruvian government when they were doing the big hearing when the guy brought him in? He literally brought him in two suitcases like he was like an old timey vacuum salesman. Yeah.

Well that's, yeah, you got Jaime Mooson is, and again, in Mexico, he's a, he's a celebrity. His show is huge, but he is a bit of a huckster. I mean, there's a bit of a PT Barnum quality to him. Can I ask your opinion on the inclusion of the huckster in this world? It's like I kind of believe that the huckster. This is an ongoing argument between me and Henry. Yes.

Well, I believe that the huckster is crucial to the paranormal world because unfortunately the huckster is the guy that packages it for public consumption and then puts it out. And then the problem is that then the huckster is the one who also makes the money on top of it, which is the sad part of the industry, the fact that there's an industry built around it. But I do think that some of the arousal dazzle is like important for the thing well in my argument against that is that the huckster is so easily disproven that it disproves and discredits the entire movement yes it blurs all of the

distinctions and we know what what what you can consider to be credible yeah so I'm right yeah You guys can agree. I might have a huckster. I'd say that it's like, you know, people have ENFP or whatever that phenotype is. I think I'm that. I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know, buddy. Have you went and gotten your balls measured?

They tell you your personality by your balls. It is over by the quartz dildos. Oh. By the vibrating pads. Oh my God. So that's what that guy was doing. Yeah. Oh. I thought someone was just being pleasant.

Why, thank you sir. Yeah, a guy came up to me, grabbed my balls, and he said, you're an extrovert. Yeah. I think the guy grabbing your balls is probably an extrovert too. I mean, some of my favorite, I mean, the, the huckster for me, like it lives very much in like the crypto zoology world. Like my, my favorite huckster was the, the big foot guy who showed up with a

suitcase full of guts. Well, it wouldn't be like a suitcase. It was a cooler full of God. He said was Bigfoot God. And I think it turned out ahead. Just the guts. Don't bring the feet. And I don't know.

Like when do you think that crypto zoo? Like how far outside of the UFO world do you go? Do you go into the crypto zoology world at all? I don't want to. Come on in the water. Yeah, but then again, you sort of go, you know, the troubles you find out that there's there's overlap. There's overlap. And I mean, it's like James James Lky, who ran the AllSAT program,

he's basically said that you can't really do a study of UFOs without also looking at the paranormal. Because he said that wherever the UFOs show up, paranormal events happen. Yeah, the blacks. Yeah, so things happen. So, there'll be UFOs and then there's going to be poltergeist, you know,

or there's gonna be, you know, cryptids are gonna show up or, you know, there's gonna be portals. There's all these weird things are gonna show up around where UFOs are showing up. And, you know, like Skinwalker Ranch is the, you know, a great kind of focal point for all of it. But he said, you know, if you wanna understand the phenomenon, you have to look at all of it. You have said, you know, if you want to understand the phenomena, you have to look at all of it.

You have to look at ghosts, you have to look at hauntings, you have to look at Bigfoot, you have to, you know. Each day you become a worse and worse person. Then each day more and more difficult to reach, more and more difficult to build a bridge to. Who's to say a poltergeist isn't an alien life form? Yeah, no, well, I mean, that's what they were experiencing at Skinwalker all the time.

Classic poltergeist activity. And they're saying this is all part of the same phenomenon. There's a trickster quality to the UFOs. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the Pennsylvania UFO Bigfoot flap of 1973? No, no. It sounds like a great album.

Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those cases where people were for months seeing UFO after UFO and people having these very intense, like aggressive encounters with big foots yeah, you know through also are you big foots or big feet? I go big feet yeah big yeah wow you'd be incorrect. But then again I cheer for a team called the leafs.

Yeah, Yeah. Well, I guess in that same vein, like some of our favorite stories throughout the years had been stories like, you know, the Battle of Dulce. Are you familiar with this story? Yes. Yeah. The gentleman said he was basically on the construction crew of an underground bunker, like alien hiding place.

Yeah. Phil Schneider. Yes, and he had a shootout with aliens. And now I'll show you my laser scars. You ever seen the thing where he lifts his shirt, you see the scars on it, which is just looks like my father had an old timey surgery where they had like, for some reason his esophagus was loose or something

when he was a baby. He like carved him in half. And so he always had this scar across his belly. And so yeah, Phil Schneider always shows the hand. He's like, do with the, do to my hand. He's very sad. There's no other way to lose a finger. Um.

Um. Um. Um. No, I mean, no, I mean, that there, that's a guy. Yeah, that's one of the stories where I go, I don't buy it, you know, I'm not gonna, you know. Do you think there's like, the stories where I go, I don't buy it.

I do look at the hucksters and the people who are far more credible. We're kind of believers, or at least I'm sort of a believer, that paranormal activity and sometimes UAP activity can be to the average person, let's say extraordinarily dull, and it doesn't have a lot of zazz to it. That's where the huckster comes in. But that's the thing is like, is there a, do you think that in those incredibly crazy stories,

do you think there's a kernel of truth that kind of grows into something that eventually grows into reptilians versus greys and a character named Kajusvas that blows off Phil Schneider's finger. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing is it's, you know, as I said, I keep wanting there to be something I can just dismiss, you know, just, you know, to narrow it down. And then you keep going, oh, but then something comes along, you know, and to a certain extent for a while, like I just didn't really want to think about the abduction phenomenon, you know?

Yeah. And but then at a certain point I realized, wait a minute, if I'm taking the notion that there are spacecraft circling our planet, interacting with people that are showing up everywhere, it's more crazy to not think that abductions are real. You don't even know what slippery slope you're on right now. Yeah. I narrated a documentary about the hybrid baby program.

Yeah. And then when I met all these people, cause I did the same thing. I was like, do I really want, if I do this voice on this, that means I believe in this. Yeah. And then when I met all these people, because I did the same thing, I was like, do I really want, if I do this voice on this, that means I believe in this. Yeah. And so I was just like, send me the stuff. And so they sent me all the raw interviews.

Yeah. And it's extremely compelling. They are traumatized. They have dealt with something. These are people literally saying, I had a baby inside of me. I watched a gray air lifted out of my belly. I went home. I had no baby inside of me anymore. And they're crying and stuff. And first of all, like I'm just, you know, I, I don't have emotions.

So it's hard for me to accept. So like I'm sitting there, but there obviously there's something happening. Well, yeah. I mean, I remember reading David Jacob's book, The Threat back in like the late nineties. And at the time of that, nah, this is too much. This is, you know, and then, you know, but then, you know, reading more about it and, you know, reading John Mack, who's, you know, who's, he was legit too. And he destroyed his whole life. Right. Yeah. Oh yeah. He gave us a little bit of a background on John May. Well, John May, well, he was the head

of Harvard's psychiatry department and had won a Pulitzer Prize for his sort of a psychological biography of Lawrence of Arabia. And, you know, and he was, you know, but pretty much as highly respected as you can be in the field of psychology and psychiatry. And he got, I guess he got exposed to,

oh God, I'm blanking on his name. The guy here wrote Missing Time. Oh, Bud Hopkins, thank you, yeah. So he met Bud Hopkins and Bud Hopkins started telling him about the people he was working with. And so John Maxwell, this sounds interesting. And so he started interviewing people and... Yeah, yeah.

Everything just blows up and everyone's saying, stop John, stop. And he does it. Oh yeah, and people who, for no other reason than that, he was taking abduction seriously. He was slandered by his colleagues and peers, and he was investigated by his university, and they were gonna try to take away his tenure.

And they were criticizing him publicly all the time, and talking about him like he had gone crazy. But if you looked at him and talked to him, because he hasn't gone crazy. And he doesn't think any of the people he's talking to are crazy. He thinks they have a real experience and he wanted to figure it out. And, you know, then he also wound up going to Zimbabwe to investigate the aerial school sightings. That's where I know his name from, the aerial school sightings.

That's where I know his name from, the aerial school sightings. That's the most interesting case I think I've heard. That's amazing, yeah. And the documentary about it is fantastic, the aerial phenomenon. I feel like that is up there with my most compelling story. Well, that's the documentary you mentioned earlier. I mean, that just cinches it at the very end. It comes and it just kind of punches you in the face with the aerial school phenomenon. Yeah, and again, it's that thing. You realize that these kids have been living

with the ramifications of having this experience. And a lot of them of having parents that wouldn't listen to them, wouldn't believe them. And the trauma of just not being listened to when you've had an experience that is life-changing. Yeah, at least when you get attacked by a shark, people believe you. Yeah.

We got evidence. Yeah. I also, what I've really been doing is helping my buddy, he's got two young boys, and I'm really trying to help them get acclimated to the world by dressing as a gray and hovering in front of their bedroom window before they go to sleep. Only just to kind of get them used to it. I just do like a slow like wave.

I go like this. I say, I beckon them to come. I say the earth's in danger a lot, but I just say earth's in danger, earth's in danger. Just to kind of get them used to it. Yeah. And they so far have really been, they're doing well in school. It's a good thing. You know, not a lot of people take the time to do public service.

And they didn't ask for it. No. That's what makes it more generous. Yeah, they explicitly said they didn't want it. Yeah. I was like, can you stop me? Yeah, I have to sleep. We're talking about this guy who put everything on the line, pretty much ruined his life to like, can you stop me? Yeah, to sleep. Yeah.

We're talking about this guy who put everything on the line, pretty much ruined his life to talk about this stuff. How close are you to ruining your life? Oh, no, no, because no, I'm, there was no reason to take me seriously to begin with. But you know, I mean, there was a chance, I mean, I don't know, I don't, there may be jobs I won't get because, you know, I mean there was a chance I mean, I don't know I don't there may be jobs I won't get because you know, some goes always he's you know, just crazy crazy UFO shit Do Dean Cain still makes like three movies a year, you know, like yeah Yeah, they're weird. Well, there that's more there. There's a mystery

There is a mystery. So what is the violent opposition to it? What is behind the violent opposition to any sort, someone giving any sort of credence to UFOs? Well, it's deliberately created. And there's like a paper trail on this. The CIA set up something called the Robertson Panel back in like 1952, because they were having a problem of thing,

you know, like UFOs were buzzing the White House and the Capitol building over like two weekends and everyone was seeing it and everybody was reporting it and everybody was all excited about it. And so the CIA got this panel together to try and figure out well, what do we do about this? And their conclusion was, And so the CIA got this panel together to try and figure out, what do we do about this? And their conclusion was, well, we can't do anything about the UFOs themselves.

So let's get people to stop thinking about it. And that was their plan. tools of public relations and propaganda, you know, that have been outlined, you know, like you can, you know, some of it you can read in like Noam Chomsky's manufacturing consent. And I forget the name of the guy who actually created that term back in the 20s, who, you know, inspired the Nazis as well. And yeah, there's a program of deliberate ridicule, debunking and explaining, you know, and creating the stereotypes that everyone latched onto

and believe, you know, the idea that all UFO experiencers are toothless hicks in trailer parks, you know, and they're all crazy and, you know, and so that image of the UFO experiencer became so powerful that, you know, people who were perhaps lawyers, doctors, police officers, air, you know, commercial pilots would say, well, I don't want people to think I'm that.

And so they would be silenced. So you had basically everyone too fearful to tell their truth. And it's so effective that you don't really after a certain point, once you create the environment of what sensible people will and won't think about, you don't have to censor anything. You don't have to censor anything. You don't have to have a big, massive conspiracy

because it enforces itself. Like a lot of people think, you know, a lot of people are convinced that most of the mainstream press are on the payroll of the CIA. And that's why they won't talk about it. And that's probably true in some cases. I mean, we knew that was true back in the 70s. Hundreds of reporters turned out to be on CIA payroll.

Yeah. Oh, I am as well. Oh, good. Yeah. So I'm saying it's probably true in some cases. But I'd say for the most part, the editorial staff, the writers at the New York Times, they just don't believe it. And they don't want to think about it.

And they won't look at the evidence. So all of their journalistic skills go out the window. If the Pentagon tells them something about UFOs, they don't question any of it. They don't do any follow-up. They just print exactly what they're told by the government. And even like, I remember watching a press conference, a Pentagon press conference,

and they're talking about UFOs. And the old thing, they say, well, 95% of this we've been able to explain, which is always garbage, because yeah, you've explained this stuff that we all knew was garbage. But the only part that's interesting is that five you can't. And then that they'll just say something like,

some things do display unusual flight characteristics. And not one journalist in the room said, what would those be? What does that mean? Yeah, they all just went, oh, that's it, just unusual flight characteristics. Oh, well, there, that's it. Just unusual flight characteristics.

Oh, well, there, no, we don't need to worry about this. And you know, the fact that those unusual flight characteristics are right angle turns at 5,000 miles an hour. Yeah. You know, it would squish anybody inside into like a liquid. I do think that there's a reticent fear. I think there's a fear. Yeah.

I think there's a little bit still love the just to straight up that scares the shit out of me. I don't want to deal with it. Yeah. And also just that fear of I don't want to lose my position in the culture. You know, I'm the sensible one. I'm the smart one. No one is. I think what's also what's beautiful about the phenomena is that it does make a believer out of you whether you like it or not. Like I think about J.J. Allen Hynek, when he went into B, he was the debunk officer, and then he came out of it. You hear time and time again,

these guys that walk in as a, trying to be some form of objective observer, they see all of this stuff, it turns them crazy. Something happens, they fall apart because the phenomena is going to get you whether you like it or not. It's too much evidence. Yeah, well you got, well David Grush was, thought he was going to debunk the whole thing in a matter of months. Yeah. And he spent four years researching it and interviewing people. And that's the thing,

people, you know, that's the other thing people call that hearsay, but no, a four year investigation by a trained intelligence officer who has clearances to, you know, the highest clearances you can possibly have in government, that a four year invest, that is not hearsay, that is the result of a lengthy and serious investigation. That's like saying, like, you know, the prosecution in a murder trial are, it's, you know, well, we can't convict because it's just hearsay

because the prosecutor didn't even commit the murder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there is, within that, like there's a bit of a conundrum. Not everyone can be telling the truth. No.

Like when it comes to UFOs, like it can't be that every single story, Ed, where is the line of credulity? Well, that's the thing. I think, I mean, I think in general, the vast majority of human beings are full of shit. Right. You know?

Yeah. We all, you know, we all are, you know, these people, there are lots of crazy and there are a lot of crazy people in the world. Yeah, there's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of people living with delusions. So, you know, the UFO community is no different from the rest of humanity, you know. The connection to the intelligence services is also interesting because they also purposefully work with unreliable narrators. They purposely work with people. They purposefully work with people.

They'll promote them, yeah. Yeah, and they move them through the system. These assets are, the whole point is that they're burnable, is that they serve a purpose and then we can scrape them off and no one's going to say anything. We're like, oh, he's just a loser. Yeah, well, I said that's part of the program, part of what the Robinson panel recommended was to do that.

And you know, you hear from a lot of intelligence people, you know, military people will say, yeah, we didn't really have to do, we didn't have to do that much. The UFO community would do it for us. Yeah, the UFO community has not really been the best at messaging. And I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of belts and the use of suspenders. And I think that there's a lot of lead and there's a lot of stuff in a lot of the pendants that these guys are getting from some of these vendors.

Yeah. I think unfortunately you have to sift through all the bullshit to find anything that's credible. And that's, you know, and again, that's just true of every walk of life. You know, if you're, you know, and again, that's just, you know, true of every walk of life, you know, if you're, you know, if you put away all your critical faculties, but then again,

sometimes those critical faculties tell you, oh, I have to believe some crazy shit that I don't want to believe, you know, like, well, for me as a lifelong atheist, I don't like the idea that I can no longer just blanket cold religious people nuts. Because now I'm going, well, there's overlap there too. You know, that maybe a lot of like the, you know,

because I always thought of religious miracles that almost every religion has, that I always thought those were just bullshit stories told to con, you know, the marks. But now I'm going, well, all right, well, I guess miracles can happen. And if you're living in a time and your frame of reference is religious, then you're gonna interpret these weird things as miracles and give them religious value.

But I mean, as someone who believes what people say about their abduction experiences, I mean, if people can't what people say about their abduction experiences, I mean, if people can't be levitated out of their beds and floated through solid walls, that pretty much qualifies as a miracle. Yeah, it's the idea that any technology that is sufficiently advanced enough is indistinguishable from magic. Yeah, Arthur C. Clarke.

Yeah. Arthur C. Clark. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, like, you know, now we've got to go, well, you know what? The Greek gods might have, that might have all kind of had a seed of truth to it. Makes as much sense to me as the Bible. My theory about a lot of the Greek gods is one of my, is that I think that they, famous people of the time became archetypes. And as time went and the natures and the actual personalities that that those things were represented on that time passed and that eventually like they just became figures of something like Dionysus was a guy or a person that was like very in the old old old days. It was a guy that like he always was the party guy. It was the thing and then it turned into a blown out version later on. Yeah, that's quite possible.

Or it's total horseshit. Yeah, or there were aliens that did things that looked like magic and they seemed to be able to manipulate reality. That is, it's interesting you brought that up because I'm also a lifelong atheist. And so it's like, what is it about aliens that I believe in that like, I can't put that towards religion. Yeah. Well, because an alien hasn't like got me super guilty about masturbating. No.

They want you to. Yeah. They want, they are excited for it because they don't want to fit, they don't want to pin you to the table and fish that thing up your urethra. They want you to just give it to them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It might just be an alien that's never asked you for money. That's what it is. That's the thing.

There's no guy that wears, I mean, well, David Miscavige. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's where the scienceologists do ask you for money. That crew. The Catholics own a lot of nice property too. Oh yeah, they can liquidate. Have you seen that, the pack of people in like the enterprise uniforms?

I saw them, I didn't know what they were. So I have no idea. They look like Sea Org, but I don't know if they are. I thought they were, but they are their own LARPing community, I believe, is the term where they work and live and act as if they are a Starfle fleet on their own And I actually wonder if they have dues

Yeah, I like if they have to pay in I'm probably not the person to ask actually I'm the person because I did speak with these people quite extensively at WonderCon last year. Oh Oh, yeah, there's dues They are expensive they have all the medals and they have all the sashes. And unfortunately, depending on where you live in California, that you are assigned a spaceship. Like, you can't just say, like, oh, my favorite's Deep Space Nine.

I can't say, oh, I want to be on Deep Space Nine because of where I live. I have to be an Enterprise. I have to be Scott Bakula has to be my captain. It fucking sucks. Oh. enterprise. I have to be Scott Bacula has to be my captain. It fucking sucks. Mad about it. Do you know, do you know Scott Bacula?

I don't know Scott Bacula. I don't. I have nothing to do with Scott. The rest of this. I don't know. That's all I was going to talk about. I thought I was been waiting for my in. Yeah, I could get to him. Well, when it comes to close encounters, you've mentioned I like you've come

closer to, you know, believing in abduction scenarios and all that. Yeah, I believe I believe the stories that have been, you know, been told. No, one of the things that we've I guess discussed on the show is like whether this is physical phenomenon whether you physically go into a spaceship, whether it's psychic phenomenon because I know you recently on the latest podcast of your episode, you talked a lot about like DMT and you know how that might relate to the experience. Do you think there's anything to the idea that UFO experiences are purely psychic phenomenon?

Well, I think, I mean, that was a big divide between Bud Hopkins and John Mack. John Mack was of the opinion that it's a real experience, but not necessarily a physical experience. Sure. And Bud Hopkins was pretty convinced, no, this is something that's really physically happening. And he cited the fact that,

because they have evidence that people are actually missing. People are, they're gone for a period of time and then they're back. And the people in their homes are aware of it. They are, you know. So I mean, I think as well, almost everything in this to do with UFOs, it's probably a mix of both.

I think probably some of the time these abductions are just, you know, I'll call it a psychic experience because maybe they are gone to the extent that their consciousness is taken away and taken somewhere else. And that somewhere else could be an actual physical space as well, but your body doesn't go with you on it.

Because the other part of the overlapping is the near death experiences, or now what some people are calling it recalled experiences of death, because we're now reviving people who have been dead for over an hour. Does that work? Yeah, it's apparent. We don't come back all weird.

I mean, yes. It's tricky. Cause here's the weird thing is when you re, when someone's been dead for that long, reintroducing blood and oxygen to the brain become, it's toxic to the brain at that point and can kill the brain. So they've, they've developing techniques for how, for how to reintroduce the blood back into the,

into the brain, like starting like, basically moving the blood throughout the whole body before it gets to the brain. Whoa! In order to avoid poisoning the brain with blood. If I've been dead for two hours and I come back, do I still have to work for money? I feel like that should mean I'm out. I feel like that should mean like, you're dead.

Well, I think the doctor should be responsible for you for life. Yeah, you were now. That should be like, I was in a good place. Yeah. But yeah, but he's saying, yeah, there's the Parnea Labs at NYU, there's a Dr. Parnea. There's a great 45 minute documentary on YouTube about it.

But you said, yeah, you said an hour, you know, this isn't a near death experience. These people are dead, dead. These are good and solidly dead people. And they come back and they come back with experiences that can't be explained because all of their, all of their sensory apparatus is dead, but they're still, they're having these experiences

and there's a certain uniformity to the experiences. And I mean, one of the things that's kind of a drag for religion is that it seems like everybody gets in. You don't have to follow any rules. Right at the end, you can kill nine families and, and, you know, like play with their bodies, make puzzle pieces out of their child's skin. And then at the moment you die, you can ask for forgiveness. And God's like, got it! Oh, that's God, but I'm just saying, everyone who dies seems to have an experience where they go to this place and everyone says,

oh, I felt wonderful, I felt this overwhelming sense of love. And they describe a place. A place, yes. Yeah, a lot of them, and a lot of them it's a place, a very familiar place, like a field, a beautiful field, or some people are in just sort of a light-filled void.

But it's, yeah, they describe being somewhere. Interesting. And meeting people. My father died for six minutes, and he said nothing. He said, there's nothing. Yeah? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got nothing to look forward to, it's all.

Yeah. We just want to make sure to. It's all. Yeah. We just want to make sure we leave you feeling hopeful. Yeah. Would you be, would you do like the, not the new, I will not do the neural link, but something like a neural link. Would you think you'd ever do that? Do you think that you'd go transhuman?

I'd probably do that. Yeah. Yeah. Just got to, just out of boredom. Um, yeah. Yeah. You know. I just wonder, cause I really do. Cause like they talk about like, you know, the human body can probably naturally live to the year 200 and shit. It's like my parents at 72 and they are out of money.

Yeah, that is a problem. Absolutely nothing. Yeah, that is a problem. Yeah, I keep thinking, cause I used to think, oh yeah, I'd like to live 200 years. And now that I'm 61, I'm going, oh oh geez, I don't want to keep working that long. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We should be put in like a field or something.

There should be a field that we're put. Yeah. No, and you know, and dead sounds really nice. I think that sounds relaxing. Yeah, my thought, if I thought, I mean, if I thought death was imminent, the first thing I was thinking about is that I would want to do is make sure

I got a lot of naps in. Because as far as I can tell, there's no napping in the afterlife. You never hear anyone saying, oh, it was great. And I had found a nice hammock and I laid down for a while. No, it's like pressure of meeting every person you've ever known, talking to all your old relatives, they're asking shit about who's won the last 50 Super Bowls.

You're like, shut the fuck up. And Judy, I thought you were gone. So lastly, what is your case right now? What's the case you're obsessed with right now? That I'm obsessed with? Oh gosh, I don't know. Geez. Well, I think't know. Geez. Well, I think, well, actually right now

the thing that's bothering me, mostly it bothered me that no one's paying attention to it, is the fact that like Langley Air Force Base is constantly being buzzed by something they keep insisting are drones. But for some reason, Langley Air Force Base, where they store the top of the line jets for the country, it's also the front line for anything, if anything happens in Washington,

they take off. They can't seem to shoot down even one of these drones. And this keeps going on and it's been happening for months and months. And they just keep sort of dismissing it. And again, the press just goes, oh, drones, who cares then? But no, this is restricted airspace that these things are coming into. And they can't knock them out of the sky.

And at the same time, when Iran sent hundreds of cruise missiles and drones to attack Israel, they were able to shoot down 99% of them. Yeah, and they just said, and then when we shot down that object over Alaska, it was the size of a sedan, we shot down that very quickly. I do think that they're full of shit. Yeah, and then they forgot to watch where it landed. Yeah. I got my what I love about the show is that I'll get like the

emails from people like at the time, they were like, remember the baby that said when they shot the object over Alaska, they're like, the storms here, we can't find it. And they were all like, it was clear for a week. Yeah, it was utterly it just in the middle of nowhere. And they said they saw copters going back and forth and they were doing like, it was clear for a week. It was utterly, it's just in the middle of nowhere. And they said they saw copters going back and forth and they were doing something, but it was like, you didn't find the super top secret thing.

And originally they said it landed on the ice. So it pretty easy to spot something that isn't ice on the ice. So are we, do you think with all this stuff, are we getting closer to contact, like to like full contact, or has it always been this way and people are just starting to talk about it? I think it has always been this way. I mean it seems like, you know, you know, that there's certainly a lot of good

evidence that these, you know, these incidents, these kind of experiences have been going on for thousands of years, as far back as we have recorded history. Even in petroglyphs, we're seeing these things. So it seems like it's been going on for a long time. And there certainly has been an awful lot of interaction you know, with humanity and there certainly with, you know, abductions, we're probably talking,

you know, just in the United States, millions of people have probably had this experience. So it's just a question of, are we ever gonna get to a general acknowledgement from society that this stuff is real and it's happening. And once we do, I still worry. I don't know how the world works once we're all admitting it. Well, this is the thing that's now come up several times in a conversation this weekend that we've talked about this idea of what disclosure means.

What does it look like? Like I still have the belief that a UFO could land on the lawn of the white house and people would not even believe it that they would now that at this point, the information is so hard to confirm. Everybody doesn't believe in the mainstream media. Why in the living fuck would they believe that a UFO is real? Or they would ignore it because, you know, what does a UFO have to do with the price

of a gallon of milk? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, so I've had that conversation with somebody who said, well, okay, well, you know, maybe UFO is real, but how does it affect me? Yeah. And I said, well, that's, I understand that,

but I said, hey, did you see that photograph of the black hole, you know? And they go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, why, did you see that photograph of the black hole? You know, and they go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, why were you interested in that? Yeah, exactly. You know, you think you're being rational, but you aren't, it isn't a rational thing. Well, it doesn't affect me, so I'm not going to think about it. No, you've been conditioned to respond that way.

It's like, I can't care about UFOs. I'm searching for Kate Middleton. I've got to find her. This is a distraction. It's a smokescreen. Oh, I know where people say, oh, it's all just, it's all a way for the Pentagon to get more money. No, they have more money than they know what to do with. They don't need more excuses. They have, they're already asking for trillions of dollars. Yeah, they're not, they don't, UFOs are not a good public relations ploy for the military. No.

Because it's basically, you say, hey, you got to give us more money because we can't do a fucking thing. Yeah, we don't know. Now, do you find this to be scary or interesting? Both. I don't think it's wise to not be a little frightened by this, you know, because of this, I don't know what, again, I don't know how it changes the balance of things if we as a species all agree that this is real.

I don't know if that changes how we're interacting with the non-human intelligences, you know, plural, which seems to be the case. I don't know how that changes how they deal with us. If we suddenly become more of a problem for them, what happens, you know? But so far, we can't really get past the moon too far. So I don't think they're really worried about us. No, no, no. I feel like it's also important that while we're invested in this material, it is good to keep a grounded foot outside.

It's good to do things like see it, you know, be with people that have family. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like people do stuff like that where they go anything else but UFOs. It's good. Yeah well as well people ask Luella Zondo what he thought what people should do to prepare and he just said hug your loved ones. Yeah you know because when that rain of fire comes down we're all going to be screaming bubbling skeletons even if we're miserable even if we're here. Yeah yeah. Hug your loved ones and dynamite. Dynamite's good. Yeah, throw it at the thing. Do you find that you, do you, have you now had enough time yet in euphology for it to bring stranger or more interesting or crazier people into your life than like kids did or like, do you feel that you're still, yeah, you're not big.

Yeah, no. I mean, yeah, well, you guys, you're in comedy, you know, like... Yeah, we, yeah. I mean, yeah, well, you guys, you're in comedy, you know, like... Yeah, we just dodge predators. We just dodge predators and then you just try to make it to the end. Yeah, you know, it's, no, I mean, I think it's actually, it's brought a lot of very interesting people into my life and a lot of, a lot of very serious people and a lot of, you know... I find it extremely sad that this is probably the only way I would have gotten to meet you. But I really do at the same time. It's a wonderful exploration. and a lot of, you know. podcast really is available wherever podcasts are available. I hope so. Yeah. I don't know why anyone would exclude it. Yeah.

You've been doing it for about a year now, right? Just, yeah, just under a year, I think. Yeah. So there's a, there's plenty of episodes out there. It's great. I've listened to a few episodes, so please go check it out. Anything else that you would like people to check out? No. Not the new kids in the whole show on Amazon. Oh no, no, no, no.

If they haven't seen it yet, they're not going to. I don't want to say, oh, I've been meaning to. No, you're never going to. And thank you so much to everybody who came out and saw all of our shows here at Contact in the Desert. Give yourself a hand. Absolutely. And thank you Contact in the Desert. Give yourself a hand, please. Absolutely, and thank you, Contact in the Desert, for inviting us. This has been a lot of fun.

We hope to come back again next year. This has been such a great experience. So thank you all very much, ladies and gentlemen. Have a good day. Enjoy the rest of your time at the conference. Bye.