Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 590: Sovereign Citizens vs. Mormons w/ Natalie Jean & Amber Nelson

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Marcus is under the weather so this week while he rests up the boys are joined by the lovely ladies of Some Place Under Neith (Natalie Jean & Amber Nelson) to break down exactly what it means to be a "Sovereign Citizen", Mormonism in 2024, and the Venn diagram of similarities that exist between the two notorious cultures. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to ad-free new episodes and get exclusive access to bonus content.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Oh, yeah! Hada, haada, haada, haada. You did this to me last night.

Don't you do that. It was like White Lucy going to sleep. She went, haada, haada, haeh, hadeh. You did this to me last night. Don't you do that. It's like white bluesy going to sleep. She went, hadeh, hadeh, hadeh, organically. Everybody needs somebody to love. Everybody to love. I just did it again.

Need somebody to love. I'm gonna kiss, so you're gonna kill. Oh, we're never gonna kill. We're gonna kill. We're not gonna be able to do the episode. I need you, you, you. I need you, you, you. Borderline sovereign citizens.

Blues Brothers were, yes, sovereign unto themselves, but they were the good kinds. You borderline sovereign citizens blues brothers were yes Sovereign unto themselves, but they were the good kinds you actually asked for Amber asked right before the show is there an example of a positive sovereign citizen? Yeah, it's the blues brothers. Yes The best of them all Clips of guys that look like they smell like milk and I'm like is there like a Steve Irwin guy of Sovereign Citizens? I also like that that's what you view as the perennial safe man. He is a good man. He is.

But I'm just saying the idea of being, the concept of the being a Steve and Irwin of Sovereign Citizens is very funny. Because one of the inherent qualities of being a sovereign citizen is having zero charisma. Right, no officer, I won't give you my ID, but I will give you a kiss. Whoa, okay. Okay, whoa.

And Steve Irwin was obsessed with buying land for conservation, something a sovereign citizen could not do. No. No, they sometimes do occupy land, it's actually closer. Yeah, for themselves. For themselves, not for saving animals. We're already starting the argument here. No, no, they sometimes do occupy land is actually closer For themselves not for saving animals already starting the argument here the sovereign citizens think far and away is still happening It's true. Welcome to last podcast on the left now

You're not hearing the dulcet tones of Marcus Parks So which was supposed to be the beginning of a brand new giant true crime series, which we will be having next week Mm-hmm, but Marcus got COVID. So he is alive. Well, that's for certain. He's not dead. He's okay. We were texting about assault on precinct 13 last night. That's where he should be right now. As he tried not submitting to the COVID. I've asked him to. And unfortunately, he has not found the proper public defender to help him. And unfortunately, he has not found the proper public defender to help him But welcome to last podcast on the left. So today we're going to be trying a it's gonna an experiment. I'm Henry Zabrowski I'm here with the other last podcast on the left host Ed Larson. Hello, but I'm having this very special joy of

sitting with some of the loveliest women of podcasting Yes Of sitting with some of the loveliest women of podcasting hands are clammy. Yes Yes, they are wet in anticipation of our conversation my dear. It's fun that you're still surprised that his hands are clammy It's only when we're in here at home. They're extremely dry. I have a little towel But we have with us today Natalie Jean and Amber Nelson of some place underneath and the brighter side. That's right Hello and a cat's are deep dives. Yes. Yeah He forgot about you. No Yes

Want to think about me and his sister talking about fairies fucking each other whatever gets you lubed up for me later Yeah, it doesn't matter where you work up your appetite as long as you eat it. Yeah That is my body Now I'm sorry started like this you guys still love each other unlike sovereign citizens that always have their ex-wife Thank you so much for bringing us back on topic because Citizens are their ex-wife. Thank you so much for bringing us back on topic because yes, sovereign citizens are largely ex-husbands. But welcome to today's episode where I'm going to try to sort of give a brief, now hurried, quickened bring up of sovereign citizens because I was planning on doing this episode and leading an episode on sovereign citizens much how Eddie

Led his series last two weeks award-winning award-winning the whores of sea world series that we did I can still hear it I can see it till till it come to this day But while we found out obviously very too late into the week that marcus had covid What we wanted to do was like, all right now I can present what I have I can present my Obsession to someone else and I've decided to bring the dynamic from Natalie and I's home to the podcast So that people can hear us talk about our own separate online Obsessions now the reason why I specifically brought these two lovely women in is because someplace underneath for their current next season Will be covering the crimes of the LDS Church

Yes season four will be focused on the crimes surrounding the community of the LDS Church Which is the Church of Latter-day Saints, which is Mormonism It is but which I didn't know until like a couple years ago Like it's one of those things where it's like they kind of like we're doing the shady thing We're like changing their names in different ways. Yeah, they did They were Mormons for a while in and about the last decade or so the leadership said that is a slur Yeah, you're called the latter-day thing so I can I have to say the M word now Yeah, please if you would and then you have to really though say M as in

Marie bad word No that which one you're referring to and it's interesting because sovereign citizens also view the term sovereign citizen As a slur as well. What do they like to be called? They like to be called many things Freeman of the land ZZ Top fans ZZ Top season pass holders ZZ Top into this. We can now. They might share facial hair similarities. The audience is pretty straight up MAGA dads you don't want to talk to anymore, unfortunately.

And then you have American nationals, private citizen. And let me do a little bit of a run up of what sovereign citizenship, just kind of to sum it up. Now that we're talking about it on the show though, can we stop talking about it in our real life? Unlikely, Andy. I said I'm bringing our real life dynamic to the show. I just wanted to know.

I want to see where these two difficult groups, mostly American made, where they touch tips and where they bump butts. You wanted us to come on to talk about something that we will be covering in different capacities on the season, which is there is a form of sovereign citizen-ish thing that goes on inside the LDS church, which is called

Doomsday Preppers. Yes And I want to kind of see where they all come from because the origins of sovereign citizens actually Connected deeper to fringe LDS movements than anything else So the sovereign citizen movement with as much you can call it a movement is a anti-government extremist movement whose adherents believe the government is the illegitimate product of a conspiracy that subverted the original lawful government. So the idea was that the United States of America was itself, the United States of America, pure and free into the year 1789, where it was taken over from the inside by corporate interests. And it's basically turned us all into,

the government's an occupying army and we are all its prisoners. What businesses existed in 1789? Horseshoe salesmen. Baked bean guy. Yeah, flag sewers. Gingling. Mud sweepers.

Yes, these are important jobs that were being taken by British people that were the problem back in the day, much like our acting jobs are being outsourced to the fucking UK, to the Australia. I know, I know. It is being taken away from us. And that's where I become a sovereign citizen. But that's it.

That's makes sense why MAGA people are kind of directly connected to it because it is that made up history that that time back before when things were great but now they never it never existed and in these corrupt documents that they use like they use stuff like that they're both kind of they're around the constitution so the concept is that the constitution is fake and invalid and there's a series of codes that they used during from pre like essentially pre 1789 that they use as a way to sort of which I do think it's funny because they're using the words of the Constitution Itself to fuck with it. That's what they think that they can do is create magic phrases and magic

rituals essentially that free them from the yoke of the US government, free from such horrible things as needing a driver's license, you know, like obeying any form of traffic law, especially with DUIs, especially with parking permits, like any of that style of shit. Traveling cocaine. Yes, especially if it's super, super low level, they will fight it to the highest extent because they believe they can issue a certain amount of commands that will magically free them.

So they like, so say I'm drunk driving, I get pulled over, I can just say a magic phrase to the cop and he's like, Whoa, I guess you got to go on your way, miss. Well, it's about the idea is that yes, it is illegal for you to be very, yes, illegal for you to consume alcohol and drive a vehicle. Right? It's illegal for you to consume alcohol and drive a vehicle, right? Now according to the sovereign citizen magic realism concepts, that is actually you're traveling. Driving means that you're driving a commercial vehicle for commercial purposes. And that's what driving is, is when you're driving a ice cream truck where you're slinging

ice cream out of the side of it while actively taking Venmos while you're driving Right. So the idea is that you have to be but if you're not you're traveling So yes, I'm drunk and I happen to be inside a car that's moving but I'm not driving I'm traveling and you can't tell me in what state I need to be in for me to travel Wow What's so my question? Why don't these people just go live in the woods? Like just go build a cabin in the woods? Because there's no electricity, cable, or internet in the woods.

And also because I think they like the concept of causing a problem. Oh. That they want the fight. Yeah. They would be bored without the fight. They're just a little bitch, I guess. Yes.

Basically, it kind of reminds me of people who really are obsessed with the Mandela effect. It's like, it's a lot. Oh no, don't bring up the Mandela effect. No, like, it's a lot. Oh no, don't bring up the Mandela effect. No, I think it's a lack of taking responsibility for your actions. Well it's also the sheer belief, which is where it connects and we'll bring it back around,

is the idea that every American citizen is just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. That we are all these special flames that no one can understand. Because also one of the big reoccurring themes within this the sovereign citizen movement is this concept of personhood so there's an idea that you are your own soul but the United States government creates personhood which they sell you a fake line of goods right of saying oh we give you these privileges such as drivers

licenses car Registrations all these things that you would think would maybe help you or whatever you could use for the system, right? But your birth certificate that you're issued then attaches you to this fake Constitution that of that basically does not encapsulate your very soul the capital words h-e-n-r-y Does not encapsulate your very soul the capital words h e n r y That is on my birth certificate is not me That's the personhood that the US government has forced upon me my soul as Henry a capital H lowercase e n r y capital Z

capital H lowercase E-N-R-Y, capital Z lowercase E-E-E. You forgot the colon and the apostrophe. No, we're not at it. We're not at quantum grammar yet. Now, I just want to go ahead. Two things I want to say. I know you're going to be listening to this, or you're going to be like, Henry, what you're saying doesn't make sense.

We know, all right? That's kind of the problem. And the second thing is, I want to establish right off the bat that sovereign citizens are way different than people who live off the grid Oh people are off the grid. I like Because guess what? They're not on great talk Yeah, no, they're just not on the fucking grid and the socialists and fucking sovereign citizens are very much So on the grid, yeah, they need electricity. They're not you're not

Resourceful enough. They need attention. To live in the woods and be able to forge for their own food and grow their own food and hunt and stuff like that. And when you talk about soul and personhood, I'm guessing, according to their perspective, they only mean men. Well, no, there are some ladies in there. They're just super difficult. It's still very much steeped in extreme right wing,

which is Patriarchal though more often than not these are ex-husbands, but like Like somebody was saying before it does also touch tips with the extreme leftist like mommy Who doesn't believe in? Doctors and unschooling and unschooling. yeah. Yes. It does somehow get there. Now the beginnings of the sovereign citizen movement I actually think are really interesting. One is this group called the Posse Comitatus. Now this was a loosely organized, it was an American far-right extremist social movement

in the 60s. This is all a reaction. Every single thing that we've noticed, this seems to be a common thread, is that these things come about as a reaction to things changing in a positive way civilly United States of America the posse commentatus basically came about because of the civil rights movement and they were a direct reaction there were an immediate reaction saying oh that's gonna give that's giving the country over to a bunch of savages, essentially. The members spread a conspiracy-minded anti-government

and anti-Semitic message linking to the white supremacy. Now, it's kind of interesting, because it's all folded together. It's all like, this is like one group. This is the political side of it. They believe that the Jewish community seek to help Satan. Eddie, can you comment on this? Destroy civilization and undermine white citizens' rights through the Federal Reserve and the IRS? Yeah, they believe that they're the true Israelites well yet to break off

That's the other side of it, which is the Christian identity religion Which is this idea that there are the tribes of Israel that left and that they went through the Caucasus which make them white people and that those magic white people that's fully Mormonism Oh fully again another one of those those are fully white people and they were the true chosen people of God right and that eventually like it's one now. They're trying to kind of soft it They're trying to soft the edges of it by trying to say like oh, no, we're saying that yes They're what we call the two seeds within our the world, which is that the one seed, which is the proper group of Israelites that turned into

white people that are the actual true sons of God. And then there's the other side. It used to be the non-whites and Jewish people that they said were the unchosen people. But actually now they're saying it's actually more so the the evil Jew inside of you You know I mean that it's not that you're Jewish is that the it's about the evil Jew inside of all people that Eventually hurt you they believe that all Jews made a deal with Satan to be successful And you know, it's honestly you look so upset Ed. I'm sorry You look so upset, Ed. I'm sorry. But these are the beginnings. I just fucking hate these people.

To me, this is a lot like the David Icke episode, where it's just like a bunch of people fucking vomiting nonsense so they don't have to face responsibility. But it's very interesting that you're bringing this up in... it makes sense, but within the LDS Church, their origin story is very very similar except they're not talking about Jewish people They're talking about indigenous and black people. Yes. Oh, no, it's it's almost like almost like they all use the same old stories to Base their whole worldview on it because in the Mormon instead of making any effort not like build a personality You're like learn stuff. They don't found a job means that you're inherently you're inherently special you deserve Things Wow, it's crazy how every religion is like no, I'm right No, you're like that religion's right, but I guess I'll be over here

But what's interesting is that they all fight each other, but they're all kind of based off the same shit I do think one thing that made the cut posse I do think one thing that made the posse comitatus the true special sauce of the sovereign citizen unit of the movement is the fact that they believe, which I think is really funny, is that there's no such legitimate form of government above that of the county level. And the only the highest law authority in the country for anybody is the county sheriff and that anybody anything past that is not anybody else's Jurisdiction which is why you hear sovereign citizens ask stuff I want you to state your jurisdiction and why you have Jurisdiction over me because they're trying to say unless you're my specific County sheriff

You can't tell me what to do But then when the County sheriff shows up they oftentimes don't want to do with that person has it's like a toddler Yeah, they say that if the sheriff then doesn't agree with them than the sheriff shall be hung at noon and taken down at midnight Very prompt excuses Somebody who can't get past their own Space their their own eyes. They eyes, they have no empathy? Is that what I'm trying to say? Yeah, I think so.

Well, in a lot of religions, like how I was raised, I was raised LDS, but I was fundamental, empathy is considered a bad thing. You're not supposed to be empathetic. It's best you're supposed to take the thing out of somebody else's hand and say it's mine now. Jesus was all about fucking share me, eat my cum. No, no, no, no Jesus about share me eat my calm

Yeah, no, he got paid for washing the feet. Yeah, I forgot I forgot that he did monetize that and that actually the lot of those guys the 12 disciples There was a subscription service that they had to pay each month for them to hang out with him That's right. Mary Magdalene had her own only fans. Whoa. Yes, true again. Yes Mary Magdalene had her own only fans. Whoa. Yes. Yeah, true again. Yes So now like that's kind of the the antiquated versions of sovereign citizenship that then has kind of turned it into now So it's like all of that old shit old school Kind of truly scary racist like the silver shirts ever heard about the silver shirts Kind of truly scary racist like the silver shirts ever heard about the silver shirts silver shirts were ran by a

true detective villain by the name of William Dudley Pelly who's the guy that wrote the protocols of the elders of Zion which is he faked this fake thing about the basically the concept of the Rothschild's being embedded in the Illuminati and essentially the massive Jewish conspiracy. It was invented by this American that created this group called the Silver Legion of America, which were pro-Nazi Americans before Pearl Harbor. So this was like, when Pearl Harbor happened, they decided to say, essentially, much like people who've left the Scientology or these other religions, you know, Hitler kind of

went a little crazy, but Nazism has a lot that we can really kind of look up to. I mean, that's all of X now, isn't that the only thing that's left? Very much. Yes. So this is where all this came from. And now what we're seeing is this new sovereign citizen movement that has pretty much come out of every single time bad shit has happened inside of the United States of America since the early to mid 80s. Now, it started in the early mid 80s because of the severe recession.

There was a major farm crisis which created the whole world of like really angry disenfranchised right wing people. And then again, another huge surge in the mid to late 1990s because of the Oklahoma City bombing, because what came out of that and the fact that Timothy McVeigh did not operate alone. Timothy McVeigh had an entire support system. Elohim City, essentially all sovereign citizens, the same exact shit. We're seeing these extremely dangerous communities also coalesce now thanks to COVID. And thanks to 2020, everybody going way deep online, getting even harder fucking radicalized

because of these essentially sovereign citizen gurus and influencers, which is also how it spread. Like the Oakeepers guy, the guy who shot himself in the eye. Yes. God, he looks like a... Who's a prisoner for 18 years now. Oh, are these the same guys that were found in that truck

with the khaki pants and the masks? I think that's basically it's a three percenters that that was Every fat-faced loser that we're dealing with right now has some connection to this movement So so so Timothy McVeigh Terry Nichols were sovereign citizens. They were They called themselves patriots, but they were not they were they were Essentially sovereign citizens. They just didn't know now sovereign citizen capital S Capital C is pretty much about like you have to be trained in sovereign citizenship Yeah, what does patriot even mean patriot means you're a fucking pain in my ass Some form of action sandal and a lot of times it means you are giving me a one-star

Yeah, I do if I hear somebody say that I want to walk into a different room The word patriot is not it is no longer a fun and good word No, it's not nothing ever was no. Yeah, your patriot has become just a way to say like It almost describes the idea of loyalty, which I also connect to, like, religious groups, where I feel like the concept of loyalty sucks, because you're essentially inferring that you need to be loyal to someone

who has done something shitty. Well, why do we have to be inherently loyal to anyone? Right, because you earn loyalty, but people seem to say no I demand loyalty no matter what and that's kind of what Patriot the word Patriot feels like to me I will say though then you're slightly tiptoeing into suffering sit like philosophy because they ask a very toddler level political philosophical question all the time, which is why do you

get to tell me what to do? But that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying that because I understand why some people have some people feel I do understand that that feeling that sentiment of being like I don't like getting told what to do. Of course. Yeah. That sentiment of being like I don't like getting told what to do. Of course. Yeah, but sometimes you're told stuff to do cuz It's better to do the things you're being told to do just letting your your fucking You know your ego mine run

Run the show. We have a thing called rule of law in the United States of America laws are bullshit Of course, I completely agree, But there's stuff like when you watch my countless videos of watching sovereign citizens get arrested in body cam footage, where you have a judge, like there are very stupid arbitrary rules but some of them are there for a reason, right? Where a judge is sitting there, there is a sovereign citizen who's being arrested for possession of marijuana. She is saying, I want to sit in the audience, like the audience shared, like you have to walk up

to a podium, right, in order to talk to the judge. And the reason why is because the camera's on you and there's a microphone on you to protect you, which they don't understand is for you. It is for your words to be recorded in court so that the court can't lie about what you said in court. But they see it as the opposite. They have their shithead friend behind them, filming them with a cell phone, not releasing. Number one, you're not supposed to bring a phone

into the court. And number two, it's all filmed, which is also totally open for you to go get. You can go and get a Freedom of Information Act. You can pull all of your tapes. All of that is open for you. They show up and this lady does not wanna walk from the audience part to the pulpit. She refuses and she's like, I wanna give my case from here. And he's like, there are, I need you to stand at the podium and she's refusing. And he's like, I just need you to stand at the podium

cause that's how I can hear you. And that's how the judges, that's how everybody can hear you. And's how the judges get that's how everybody can Hear you yeah, and she's just like I'll just yell from here And he's like no you don't understand to the point where she's now fucking arrested again And they have to go bring the bailiffs out and they got a fucking zip higher and they got it But now it's come of course because she's screaming I don't consent but the thing is you force their hand in this really fucked up arbitrary sense where it's like

Yeah, I get it It sounds like nonsense to move to the pulpit, but they have a bunch of weird practical reasons if you just did it It'll be over. Yeah It's why they can't actually be off the grid because the process of doing all this and having the person prosecute persecution the persecution I think is what they want right it's like histrionic personality disorder that's if like I get attention even if it's bad it's still attention I love it yes people are talking about me now I think where we all really get together our two favorite obsessions touch is the way that they group so sovereign citizens

It is very rarely that you see a sovereign citizen that has not had some form of training in their nonsense Okay, normally they have some form of guru. That's a mostly why when you see them getting arrested on YouTube They're always got some guy on the phone Where they always got somebody who's talking them through what they're supposed to say, or they have a series of papers that they're supposed to present to the police officer, which makes them do what?

Hit you on the head with their nightstick. Right, like every single time. Cops don't like it, never works. There's never been a single case in the history of the United States or international judicial systems that has won any one of these tactics have ever worked. So it doesn't work. But where they come together, that's where it's at. So like there's one called them group called the Montana Freeman.

This is an extremely dangerous group that came about in 1996. Now this is right after Waco and right after the Oklahoma City bombing so they use that Against the United States government knowing that they would have to be handled very carefully So no one because they didn't want to deal with the same exact fucking issues because it's star all armed to the teeth Oh very much so the Montana Freeman they were part of the sovereign citizen and Christian Patriot movements They of course they don't want to pay taxes The big thing was not paying taxes and they also did this thing which is a very common tactic within sovereign citizens Son of sovereign citizenship, which is called paper terrorism now paper terrorism. I do feel terrorized right now Oh, yes

What they would do is they would make fake checks and money orders and they would try to fraud The US government by sending and paying their tax bills with their own very detailed fake checks. They created their own banking ledgers and they also would jam up various like political enemies like people had something to say about them and judges. They would send these fake forms into their offices, filled with all of this fake legalese about how they can try them for essentially false crimes for essentially saying that they did a bunch of false crimes.

It's crazy they'd rather do this than get a job. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, a lot of them are rural workers. A lot of them are like, you know, welders, like that style of blue-collar worker I wouldn't even I don't they have jobs. A lot of them do have jobs. They just don't want to pay taxes on their paycheck I'm honestly shocked to that. They're they're skilled. I mean, I know skilled workers is like doesn't mean anything But I can't believe that they have

Like real some of them do not all of them do trust me all of them do. Trust me, plenty of them just sit around and drink in a trailer. Plenty of them do. Yeah, that's my envisioning. I would say that's the majority. I even imagine most of them are living off of government checks while also doing very much so. There's no reason to have a job

if you are a sovereign citizen. Right. Well, it doesn't matter because your job is like, you are a part of the grid. So if you choose to have a job that is paid by American tender, you are not a sovereign citizen Yeah, you have given into the system even though if you are a sovereign citizen you learned about being a sovereign citizen by paying your Internet bill and buying a computer and having a camera pointed at you at all times

See, but those are unalienable rights and those were created by God himself. Oh, okay. You see, that's what you don't understand. The roads were put there by God. They were already there. Verizon is God? Verizon has been here since the Sioux. What? Did you know that?

Yeah. Yeah, since the Inca. Wow. Verizon was one of the original. Sprint actually did Easter Island. Wow. Did you know that? Yeah. Yeah, they actually just merged. The reason was one of the original, Sprint actually did Easter Island. Did you know that? Wow, yeah.

Yeah, they actually just merged. Sprint Easter Island just merged with T-Mobile, so it's gonna be Sprint T-Mobile Easter Island soon, hopefully, because I love my, watch my companies get together. Now, I'm listening to you say all this stuff about sovereign citizens, and I can't help but get a little worried that the IRS isn't gonna take my IOU

Hmm According to somebody like David win according to somebody like David Winn Miller you have to put in a copy of the syntax the proper you have to rewrite it And a bunch of fuck wait. Yeah, you fuck in a bunch of fuck way. Oh fuck! Yeah, you fucked up, you were wrong. Yeah, you just put the grammar in. Well, so with the Montana Freeman,

what they ended up, the reason why is that, so up to this point, the United States government kind of decided to let these right wing groups sort of just sit. They figured like ever since Elohim City, ever since Ruby Ridge, they were like, well, what we're gonna do now is like, they are, they, as long as they're not bothering anybody,

they could be assholes alone. of course that never happens because it always spreads so they what they did was they eventually called for the they they held their own court the greater loan court the leader of them of the Montana Freeman was a guy by the name of Leroy Schweitzer who is this total idiot. He renamed the town Freeman into Justice Township, J-U-S-T-U-S. He named himself the head, he's the Supreme Court judge, he is the county commissioner because it's the only, that's the top seat that you can have in any county

and in any government structure. And he came with started with this no taxation get out of jail free cards and it turned into we're gonna go kill a judge so they held a judge they had a trial for this judge what were the steps in between that essentially they were go they were squatting on in various pieces of property sure they were going to come and kick them off of and they decided because they were squatting because they were free to do so they felt that because they could just take this house they thought

instead they needed to go kill that judge and then they started stockpiling guns and that's when the United States government got involved and then it turned into an 81 day standoff where they even had to go get the guys from Ruby Wait, they got the guys that they talked down like other right wing guys to bring in that FBI brought them in to kind of Negotiate with all of them to talk about it took 81 days and they finally shoot outs are tedious and boring very very long and The Ruby Ridge guys are like, listen, not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

We tried, we gave it our best. You guys, we had a lot more guns than you did. But each one of these leaders, I have found, offer a little bit more of an insight into the thing as a whole. Where like one angle that he said that I thought makes total sense, was that our duty as private citizens is we need to teach ourselves to prosecute for ourselves because we need to always be prosecuting, never defending.

Is it like the guy that drove his van through the parade? Oh, Darryl Brooks was a, he very much was expressing his right to drive his car through a parade. And like almost killed people? He did kill people. He did? Yes, multiple people he killed. He very much was expressing his right to drive his car through a parade and like almost killed people People oh yes, and he was very much a sovereign citizen and he did represent himself in court and he did violently lose Any other it never works and literally never once it works Honestly, fuck that guy so hard, but this is what we're dealing with like this stuff like January 6 It's like all came straight from these movements like these are very very

Large pains in the asses like do what are the you what are the Mormons view? the US government as they're Unfortunately really closely tied to the US government So I think that there's that stripe inside of the prepper community in the LDS Church. And I'm saying this, by the way, as a complete outsider, I've only just been obsessed with and speaking with a bunch of people who are like two years. Yeah. They they do have that stripe of rebellion and like do not comply kind of stuff. But really, the LDS Church in general is so connected to the US

government and to police and to like authority figures in the country that they can't really be that deep into it. They like really are like two steps from essentially the Attorney General of Utah. The church doesn't get taxed and we've driven by one of the churches that is huge and gorgeous like a lot of money thrown in that. So they can just throw it at politicians. And they make laws happen. They have more money than a lot of tech companies. But my question is, is that they,

do they not view in some way that they are, yes, they are housed within the US government, but they do sort of have a higher allegiance? Well, so with the, yes, because they believe that the end is nigh at all times. They're called the latter day saints because they're supposed to be the last saints, the late saints. Is that why the great Salt Lake in Utah is slowly evaporating and putting toxic gas in

here? Unfortunately, a lot of the sort of high control groups like that are sort of rooting for pollution in like the end. Because they're about to- They're trying to trigger it. Right, they're trying to trigger the end times. That's why they believe in Donald Trump is because they think that he's the antichrist that is going to trick the end times.

Right, I saw a TikTok of this woman washing dishes and she's like, when you hear the trumpets blaze and then you know God is coming down, you're washing dishes. And then she like fakes like getting up and like running out in the street like she's about to be saved. And she's been like bitch if you move to San Francisco you won't have to wash dishes every day. I think this is your problem. I understand you're miserable. You don't want to wash the dishes. All you want is for the world to end because it's the only way you think your situation will stop. Yeah. High control groups like that, though, kind of prey upon that idea of like,

the reason you give us a bunch of your money and you're doing all these stupid things and you have to wear these uncomfortable underpants at all times is because you're going to have this way better life afterwards. Like, if you just keep letting us take all of your shit, we're going to make sure you, I mean, you get to fuck seven or eight different women on your planet every day. They're gonna just take care of you.

I've seen that Sister Rive show. That's some pretty finger-licking activity. Compelling, compelling, right? Life is suffering. That's the core belief is life is suffering, and afterwards you get your own planet. The husbands do. Yeah, and that's obviously, that's an oversimplification of the entire process

but that is ultimately the crux of what a lot of people believe but the proper community inside the LDS church is not the vast majority of people. Although the entire church is based on the idea of the end times and child marriage essentially, a lot of people inside the church are just like really normal. Yeah, they're just trying to go along to get along. They're trying to sort of move towards the center in a way these days. Now they're trying, the capital M Mormon church. The church leaders aren't really moving.

They're just doing that to like, it's like a hook and bait. Like get them in here. They're trying to stick around. Yeah, they're just trying to stick around. They're also trying to more connect to Christianity, like mainstream Christianity, by using crosses more and stuff, because they do believe in the Bible, but the Book of Mormon is their own little, their own little like, re-brand. Yeah.

Kind of like their own storyline, which is kind of making America and both Americas sort of where all of this stuff actually happened. Yeah, they believe Jesus came to America. Yeah, yeah, they were just like, hanging out in Indiana. Well, yeah, there's several different models. Some of it's Mesoamerica, some of it is literally like the Great Lakes area and like Missouri,

and stuff like that. So even though that's like in the back, a lot of the practicing members aren't thinking about doomsday all the time, but the Prepper community is really thriving in a lot of ways. And so they're kind of doing the same thing. Well, I believe the Prepper community

and this type of militia activity are pretty much neighbors. They're very, very close. Child marriage too. I bet there's no age of consent in sovereign citizen. I'm just gonna guess. A lot of sovereign citizens know the age of consent of every state They all can list where they love to go All preppers though aren't bad though, right? I feel like the board the best they get is neutral, you know

Not hurting anybody else. I always think of the guy from tremors. He just seemed like he saved the day You have some problem is that? Every once in a while they do you can be a prepper But I think the prepper community is not necessarily super healthy I think it's usually based around kind of fetishizing and fantasizing about when everybody's gonna die. Well that's the issue is that in order for them to be right, everyone has to die. Right, and they're excited. And within the Prepper community in the LDS Church, it is based around the doctrine of the Book of Mormon, which is 144,000 people will be the chosen ones to have like the promised land.

So some of these guys are just betting that they're gonna be in that final They all anyone Connected directly to the LDS prep world, which there there's many little pockets but one of the big ones is an online forum called another voice of warning and You essentially have to sort of believe that you are in that group because you are preparing for what they call callouts in that group because you are preparing for what they call call outs, which is you get the day comes when finally all of your work is like being,

now you get to show everyone, but it's just going to a bunch of tent cities and bartering with each other, but it will lead then to prosperous lands, but you have to be ready for those days. And if you're ready for those days, you are obviously, logic would dictate, you are one of ready for those days. And if you're ready for those days, you are obviously Logic would dictate you are one of the hundred and forty four thousand

Didn't you say something about the cigarettes like they're hiding cigarettes to like barter at the end of days? Yeah, so the The one of the daughters of the guy who's currently running another voice of warning, which is the acronyms of owl his name's Christopher Perot his daughter who's an adult woman, has been speaking out pretty freely about all of it. And he himself had been prepping before he even joined another Voice of Warning, and he actually was an LDS convert.

He was not a, because most LDS people are legacy. Like their family has been in it for two centuries. He wasn't, he joined in because of his, like I think he latched onto the idea of this sort of, for two centuries. He wasn't, he joined in because of his, like I think he latched onto the idea of this sort of, I'm chosen, I know what's right, I have broken through the matrix. And I feel like it's the reason why it works

within the LDS communities is because within their theology, they have built in that you can franchise and it's legit. And then if you franchise, there's like a built in mechanism within their religion to support doughy fucking idiots. To essentially, yes. To essentially declare themselves little lords of little kingdoms and essentially,

out of either pure ignorance, the people around them or fear, literally fear of just the entire church structure as a whole, they are forced to believe them. And they do a lot of times actually believe them. Of course, because they've been indoctrinated for forever. People are following Chad Daybell and saying that he was charismatic and just, you know, I just believed what he was saying. He's got fucking Winnie the Pooh gut. Just a refresher, what did Chad Daybell do?

Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, power couple of 2021. They are actually right connected to the LDS Prepper community, including another voice of warning. Chad was friends with Christopher Perrot, and he was one of the few people who actually voiced how innocent he knew they were because he talked to them up until they found the bodies of the children of Laurie Vallow.

He was fighting for Chad and Laurie, saying, you guys just don't understand us. All the truth is going to be revealed revealed don't you worry and then of Course you find out they've been essentially a combination of family annihilators Serial killers yes, they are a full criminal family. I'll send you all the stuff at it You should watch the documentary stuff that I have on it, but they did this specifically because Chad Daybell and Laurie Daybell Laurie Lori Vallow is her other married name so a lot of people call her Lori Daybell, they were certain that they were the leaders

of the 144,000 and they were certain. Everybody is. Right. Every other cult leader in the LDS Church thinks they are. But they've used LDS doctrine mixed with Prepper doctrine to justify killing multiple relatives, spouses, children, because they, I think it was three summers ago now, they were like that July's the time. Oh yeah, very, each time. I mean, it's hot. Oh, it is. It's hot out, you know, it's July, it's getting there. Where I'm starting to see is that I think that sovereign citizens and the LDS fringe groups,

they both sort of represent a true, again, these are American phenomenons. Oh, 100%. And I think partially, it shows the two sides of the spectrum. One is the LDS side, this fringe LDS side, which is that everybody has in America that is ignorant, right, kind of maybe has a belief, one day I'm gonna get that call that's gonna say I'm King Ralph. You're gonna get the King Ralph call. Yeah. I am going, it's going to be discovered that I am a super important person and that everything I'm going to need is going to arrive at my feet. I think that's one

stripe and then the sovereign citizen is on the other side, which is I can do. I can lift myself out of any circumstance I'm in. Despite all evidence, despite all evidence, beside everything, the whole world, because I know I'm right. You know, like, and that is another style of the American idiot that is just this like I can I'm good The whole world is gonna be on its ass What I learned from the fucking what I learned from Steve

I I would say that most of us in entertainment have the same stripe in us where we're like I'll show you I'm gonna keep working and I'm gonna I'm gonna be big Where we're like, I'll show you I'm gonna keep working and I'm gonna I'm gonna be big Yeah, totally out of fucking spite, but I also just do I just do fucking different races accents Right that was my comedic oeuvre Right. So I think that maybe the difference would be that our People entertaining with that same Like the refusal to accept reality is that you just are doing that because you want to make art

as opposed to maybe you know overthrowing the government or like, you know beating your children or committing some kind of like altering crime I Feel like honestly we've reached a point here. We want to teach you guys more, some specifics about, I want to unlock you guys. Because I think we've been talking about a lot of shit here. I feel pretty locked up. Yeah, you are. I can already tell just looking at you.

Because I've been sort of taking on a critical stance of a lot of these sovereign citizens, only just because up until yesterday, I was unaware. And I didn't know the tools. And you're free now. Look at me. Yeah. I can almost see my nipples through my shirt. That's how hard they are.

You have a gun on your belt. Yep. No, that's just my outside penis. Yeah. And so this is a guy, so I want to give you guys through some of these guys. I love, these are some of the superstars of sovereign citizenhood. This is a guy by the name of Robert Arthur Menard. Now this guy, he is Canadian. He had his children stripped of him and he was really upset about it.

And then that caused him to start wearing this little African hat. I don't know if you can tell he's wearing a Neil Pert hat. He looks like one of the guys from Something About Mary. He does, very much so. And he has six steps to show you what happens and why the government and how you know when the government's fucking lying to you. I feel my vagina just sucking into it, my body. Hey, this is, you know, I like working out of a dip. He looks like he has nunchucks in his basement. Oh, he's nunchucks on his, in his car. Amber, so here you go.

I just want you to listen to some of this man's wisdom. This comes from his seminal documentary, Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception. Oh my God, it's an hour and 20 minutes. I watched all of it. I got 20 minutes in before I started yelling and shut it off. This is really, just want you to just a touch

of what kind of like one of the lessons. Can I follow sovereign citizenship saying that I refuse to listen to this? That unfortunately then kicks you back into the lessons. Can I fault sovereign citizenship saying that I refuse to listen to this? That unfortunately then kicks you back into the system. Ha ha ha! The next one is the mirrors. Smoking mirrors. Let's suppose for a moment that this right here, this piece, next seminar we gotta get

a mirror guys. Let's suppose this is a mirror and I'm standing right here. You would see me and you would see my reflection and you would have no, there would be no confusion. You would know which is which you would know which is which because you would see me and you would see the edges of the mirror if however we use smoke and we hide the edges of this mirror and all you see is me and this reflection and you never really know which one is the mirror you're gonna have a little bit of confusion if they incorporate the next one next slide please if they incorporate the camouflage and they use

camouflage to hide me my physical body who is they the government and you do not see because of the smoke the edges of the mirror from your perspective this reflection will appear to be a real thing and if you never investigate if you never step up and touch it and go, hey, look at this, it's just glass, you will always be deceived into thinking that this reflection is a reality, it's not a reality. Thank you, see, that's just simple, that's just simple.

So he's not based in reality, got it. No, see, he learned, it's the six biggest tricks, because what you gotta do then is, there is sleight of hand, then there's sliding. One of my favorite thing one Of my favorite concepts in sovereign citizenship was when he brought up this concept of so, you know One of the biggest tricks that they get you to do in order to Deceive you right they hide the monkey and they slide you now if they're gonna say child the monkey

No, I think that They did hide his monkey because he said there's a concept of what they do is that you notice every single time they want you to decide something they want you to sign something they need to get your permission right you've agreed to it before even signing by touching the document by doing this thing they like to do called sliding where they take the document they slide it across the table at ya and guess what you pick it up voluntarily you've agreed inherently to the document without even saying in it he also said don't register your children

they become a registered person which makes them quote unquote channel goods Got a little Irish there at the end. He also said, don't register your children. They become a registered person, which makes them quote unquote, channel goods under the con institution maritime law, which are floated then as collateral for international loans. So this is one of the many reasons why some laws are not the worst things ever, because when you don't register your children, that means that they can't be traced in case they are being I don't know kidnapped assaulted they're free why you assume these kids are gonna do something bad they're not their parents probably are that's what I like to think that's what I'm hearing when you say all these things because it sounds like a child is just seducing

literally so many cases that we've covered on spun that involve people part of communities who don't register children who are literally non-human beings because nobody even fucking knows they exist and that is terrifying. Maybe those kids have to understand they have to listen to Robert Arthur Menard when he says remove the person from your humanity. That is the seed of freedom. I don't want children anywhere near that man. He'd still be with his kids if the government didn't know they existed.

I mean, that's the problem. Right? My question is, say like no one knows you exist. If you're 10 years old, you walk up the courthouse and you say, hi, my name's Timothy, Timothy, Timothy, do do. And then like, do they find you or what do they do? I think it's probably per case because sometimes probably CPS and DSF and all that stuff would come in normally they take that child box them up He's in the Lindsey. They send him to Lindsey Graham. Oh, okay great, and then he fucks him to death

He would become a foster child and mostly and given a social security number and stuff like that Yeah, they get fucking yoked. That's what happens. They get the fucking number and stuff like that. Yeah, they get fucking yoked. That's what happens. They get the fucking Burton personhood. That's not even fully true though, because if it's certain religions like the Amish and stuff they don't lose their kids for that kind of shit. And it's one of the reasons that those kind of groups, not because they're evil, but because

there's no one overseeing or checking in on them, a lot of fucking abuse happens suddenly. It seems like a lot of times when people don't want any laws, it's because they're doing something with their hands, their little. I also see it the other way too. I see like a lot of times when people are really, really, really obsessed about children getting trafficked, they're somehow involved.

I don't, Eddie, what are you talking about? Jared Fogle, like so Jared Fogle, as we know, you guys might know him, you guys all love him. The sandwich guy used to be fat, he's so skinny now. See, I find Jared Fogel in many ways a victim of there being just so many rules and everyone being so uptight. See, Jared Fogel was, he was obviously, he was convicted of child sex torts. Molesting those sandwiches, play away. Child pornography cases, right, charges right on the basis of his,

so, but he actually in 2017 tried to get himself out of jail by declaring himself a free man. He said that the court, he went to go, they had the court like say, you have to dismiss my entire criminal like history you have to because I said so you have to free me because he that the Fogel's arguments will be over here that he was a sovereign citizen and the court had no jurisdiction because his real name Jared dash Fogel full colon gotta

try what else are you gonna do in prison gotta throw spaghetti at the wall everyone else yes learn to suck dick and learn how to make cool prison food that people like feel that you're needed. That's what I would do. Bringing up the people obsessed with child trafficking stuff. That is actually something that we're going to cover quite a bit during the season because a guy named Tim Ballard who is like really deep into the US government and is high power inside the LDS church has been doing this like pseudo saving children in third world countries and is currently facing

many assault charges. Well, what'd you do? What'd you say he did? He'd be like, hey, do you got any kids? Do you got any kids? And the like poor families would be like, yeah, I guess you can take my kids. So he's like creating child trafficking.

Yeah, I mean, it's just one of the many issues with him, but- I heard one of the major causes of trial trafficking is refusing to yield. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, definitely, for sure. Yes. But he's actually only about a degree of separation from the Prepper community based on the fact a lot of the LDS sort of, I don't know, spicy stuff in the modern era

is talking about near-death experiences Which is something that also sovereign citizens do well I'm so glad that you brought it because that brings to the table my favorite sovereign citizen of this episode No, which is my favorite guy David Wynn Miller now Got into this now My favorite concept that discovered in my research was quantum grammar. Quantum grammar. That's not, it doesn't mean anything.

Is this like your English teacher does math? Is that what this is? Yeah, he definitely, he's got a full head of raven hair. Now David Wynne Miller sadly died in 2018. No one knows how or when. Nope, just died. Just like his death date on his Wikipedia page just as 2018. Yeah Oh, yeah, I want you to know nothing about him

He wanted to be known as David Dash win full colon Miller. That is his sovereign citizen that way He becomes a fact. Yes, because before that he was just nothing was he poisoned by hair dye He was he was a tool and I welder He created what is known as quantum grammar No What he believed was that he died on the head appendicitis and he said that he died on the operating table for 14 minutes And when he came back he had a 200 IQ and he saw through the veil of the way we all speak and why we have such problems

with the US government is because we are not talking correctly. Is there something with like brain damage and near death experiences and like religious psychosis that just kind of touch? See this guy is not even religious, this guy is just full of vinegar. I will say, I think that there's probably some truth to that because we talk about TBI's a lot with like really weird crimes. But I think with the Mormonism aspect,

it's the near-death experience is having somebody who has gone through the veil. That's the idea. Seen, they saw this other planet we're getting to. Specialized access. Oh, yeah, it's sick as fuck. And they're like, all right, I believe you, I'm listening. Yes. Because you saw it. So this thing that I've been doing for my whole life is paying off. This person says they saw where we're going and so now I'll listen to them. Has anybody ever been to hell and come back? Yes, multiple times. Not in the church. Not in Mormon church. You can't sell merch and books and stuff if you say, oh, we're going to hell.

Yeah, because you were bad. You were the bad one. Yes. Now quantum grammar, the true difference here is that you can pray in one hand, you can shed in the other and see what gets filled first. But when you're using quantum grammar, you have immediate results.

It really does work. It's a powerful form of grammar. He also calls it, I believe it is called the quantum language parse syntax grammar. And again, he saw through the veil. Here's just a little example of how he figured it out. And we're going to start off using the math interface to show you how this works and how we broke the code. If you take your math problem, 2 plus 3 equals 5, you want to check it. It's the beginning of the 9 hours.

Well, it's 5 minus 3 equals 2. If you want to multiply Two times three equals six two people pay divided by three equals two Which you shouldn't be allowed to take money came about Right he pays for things in gold That's true. He says he paid for his daughter's tuition in gold. Well, I'll just use it notebooks Remember some of you got some with the red line down the side here? Well the way this code got broke was on April 6th in 1988.

Now for three years I worked out math problems and nothing seemed to work. Now one morning I got up half asleep and I wrote 1 plus 2 equals 3, 3 minus 2 equals 1. On the red line I went and got my coffee, some toast, came back and I said, but when I sat down it was faced this way and I'm going, oh that's a graft. So I grafted it. And when I grafted it, I broke the code. This is like me making up hieroglyphics to my parents.

Look what I did. That's the reasoning. Yeah, when you didn't do your homework. If you will listen to it, we can stop it for now. We can stop this fucking gobbledygook for a second. My parents Yeah, when you didn't like do your own work This fucking gobble to gook for a second now it is just it is just hours and hours and hours of total nonsense He's filibusting his way out of bank taxes Yes, dude But on some level much like David Ike who I feel like now upon when we did our David Ike series what I'm now Kind of learned about him

unfortunately was that he did so much writing and talking that his life was extremely uninteresting because all he did was like compulsively write and do speaking engagements. This guy is very, very similar. Hugo, go ahead and call himself the head of this like essentially fake version of the US government where he called himself a federal postal judge Because there's a thing the guys get really into this idea that the mail and the mail system is the other Like secret real hierarchy of America Which is why his main pupil a guy that somehow makes this guy look exciting a man

But the name Russell J Gould will go ahead to call himself the new federal postmaster of America after he died. Now I remember you I watched the other video where he was explaining how Hawaii was taken over by white people which I agree with. But then he was also stating why he deserved to be there even though he's a white person. It's always that way man, it's always except for me. Yeah dude, ask Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, and so I remember he was doing this and he was just spouting nonsense about grammar

and the way to talk and the way to move around stuff to make sure that I'm not a verb and that I'm a fact and stuff like that. But every time he said something stupid, he had, there was some off screen, which I assume is that guy just saying, concur I can go everyone's like every like four to five minutes. I was like an unmanned like an unseen person According to his syntax he you have to begin each sentence with a prepositional phrase and each sentence must end with a Prepositional phrase and you cannot use adjectives adverbs or pronouns and you have to use Punctuation to make the words inside the sentence mean other things

His words out into the universe This is my favorite shit. This is my absolute favorite stuff So this is an example of the sentence that he wants you to write and if you learn how to write this way the government Gives you money For the forms of our punctuations are with the claim of the use call full colon full colon equal sign position dash Lodeo facts comma hyphen Equal sign compound dash facts equal sign known comma period Equal sign and dash thought comma comma dash pause and

location dash Tildes with the meanings and uses of the communications with the full dash colon of the position dash Lodial fact dash phrase with the fact slash known dash term of the positional dash Lodio dash fact dash phrase and with the void of the nom de guerre Equals sign dead dash person. This is like my parents reading a website to me And he says that he's the only guy with his consistent or that who can really write it fluidly. I mean, yes. Of course he can.

I agree with that. It's like Tolkien with Elvish. Is a language really a language when only one person can speak it? No. No. No. Also, it's just like a, it's like a toddler's version. I'm going to go ahead and say no.

It's got to be at least two people. It's not like a comprehensive language. It's just like if a little kid was like, put a bunch of letters on a piece of paper, it was like, I made a language. It's my language now. It's like, okay, yeah, oh, thank you. He would go on to say, wow, I completely understand. He would go on to say that he had a billion students

that spent, and that he also said, Bill Clinton and the Supreme Court of the United States learned from him. Wow. and that's how they got that Yeah, he has nipples the size of tic-tacs I'd say who man I'd say Mentos He also claimed he did turn Hawaii into a verb and then he became the king of Hawaii. Mm-hmm Cuz that's what they deserve is this similar to the Queen of Canada?

Oh, very much so. They all just feel like if you declare it, like the guy Russell J. Gould believes that if because there was a gap when he died, he filled in the proper paperwork that allowed him to be in charge of the United States of America. Because they believe the Universal Postal union is the Supernational authority because they a lot of shit found in the organized pseudo legal commercial arguments book that they essentially source a lot of this from I do think it's interesting. He definitely oh he said MasterCard getting control of the US economy in September 17th, 1999 They and then he was obviously 9-11 was an inside job, very much so, anti-vax. And he also said the reason why we are based

on maritime law is because Earth is a vessel in a sea of space. Oh! Wow! Or one big boat. Hell yeah, man. That I can kind of get behind. Yeah, I'm kind of cool with that.

I concur. Yeah, where's the lido deck? It's weird that they don't want to follow any American law. I do my own thing, but then they just want to put forth their own law. And their own laws, it seems much more strict than the American code. Well, it just serves them specifically. It doesn't affect, it doesn't help anyone else in any way, shape or form. And in fact, it hurts most people.

But for them, it's their special special special boy laws, special girl laws. Right, can this stuff therefore take off the ground? Because it seems very self-centered and in order to create a movement you have to think of the people and the movement and us together as a collective. This is not a collective. Well they, I find it interesting because I do think that there actually is a collective amongst the quote-unquote students of these people, is that they do kind of we've been joking about with QAnon where like The real thing is about making friends along the way that it's really like

It really is about Loneliness of a community. So these people that are inherently Isolated and inherently lone wolves meet a bunch of other people that are very similar and there is a sense of community. And I do think in many ways they think, oh, we're bringing each other together and we're supporting each other, even though not a single tactic we have ever used has ever once worked in a court of law. And that I feel like maybe is differing a little bit from the prepper community in that within the LDS, I would say.

Well, their results haven't come yet. Well, that for sure. And they do have leaders, but they already had a community within their church. So they have their own structure and language already developed. And then also probably, probably some scrupulosity and fear and maybe some compulsion issues with like being afraid of the end times, because that is a terrifying concept. It is.

And so that they go into these communities, but there's a, it's a huge, like most things unfortunately in Mormon church make a ton of money. And so like a vow, for example, has tens of thousands of, you have to subscribe and pay a monthly fee to be a part of the forum. And so there's like, I think 10 to 20,000 at the very least people who pay every month to this blog forum about prepping to be a part of that community.

So to be in the tent villages, you mostly have to pay money every month for it. That makes sense. Sounds more expensive to be Mormon than Catholic. It's very expensive to be Mormon. Yes, you gotta give it cousin Catholic catholicism. The tithing is fucking optional. Yeah, I mean kind of sort of yeah They built the fuck out of you and they give you envelopes with suggested amounts out of pay Thankfully, my mom was immune to the money guilt part of it. That's like a one thing. She avoided good for her I question about LDS like what if I snuck around I didn't pay him and if I wound up

And I was one of why was one of the few thousand left on the end of the earth Oh, you mean if the actual prophecy possibly those are not mutually excuse me I mean they are mutually exclusive There's no way you could be of that character and be one of the under what if I didn't know what if I didn't know? That I'm one of the chosen ones you would have been but you would be doing good things It's sort of a circle jerk in the sense that you can't become that until you do these steps. So if you're not anointed and gotten through

all the processes, it's unlikely that you could be the last people. Wow. Because it's made up. I believe that most religions are just complete fooey, but the Mormon religion was strong language The Mormon religion particularly was one that always kind of freaked me out Well, it's because we know the exact origins of it Unlike a lot of our other major religions where it's kind of faded into time

We know who Joseph Smith was we know what he did we knew he was a grave robber trust me bro.com We know everything about Brigham Young we know that he was obsessed with little girls and shit Yeah, like we know that about him. We know that these are not Angels and gods right there. They're just some dudes We can trace their family lines And it's it that's why it has some stuff more in common with Scientology in my opinion than some other religions because they're both more fun Right a lot more fun But why can't we find these golden plates because he was just like I saw the golden plates

But I had to give him back sorry you have to trust me cuz he cuz you can't see them if you were to see them You'd burst into flames If you saw the plates themselves, I've heard this. And I know, and this might sound crass, your titch switch. Whoa! Did you know that? Oh! It's crazy.

You know, it's fine. You won't recognize yourself. It'll be fine. Everything's a mirror. You don't know about mirrors from Robert Arthur Menard. Right. I blocked, that's like a black hole of time. I took it away from me.

It is crazy watching a religion happen in real time because it's pretty new. It's developing. It's developing, so imagine like Christianity 600 years ago and you're watching it kind of develop and being like, that's a crazy religion, I don't know about all that. Especially Catholicism, because Catholicism

was a straight up cannibal cult. Yeah. Whoa, what? It was a cult. Yeah, you're eating Jesus every day. Yeah, you believe in the transubstantiation of Jesus Christ, so you believe that you're actually drinking his blood and Yeah, you believe in the transubstantiation of Jesus Christ. So you believe that you're actually drinking his blood and eating his flesh. Which is pretty rock and roll at the end of it.

It's also, but it don't taste like it. And they could be like, that's crazy, this Catholicism. That'll never take off. Are we saying that about Mormonism? Well, one of the things that makes a religion last is either a big gap of time happens and then somebody picks it up and they're like using the magical idea of the past or they have a perfect successor that comes in like David Miscavige did.

Even if it's not... Well, he was not the perfect successor. No, I know, but he was for the continuation of the church, not to El Ron Hubbard. He didn't want David doing that. I actually felt if he had the two reasonable old people that church would have went into a different direction Yeah, but it would believe I think it would have collapsed. Yeah, of course. That's what I'm saying So to keep it going you need a person to step in like still collapse. It's just it's just a it's a But the thing is it's just a gigantic real estate. Yeah, they have nothing inside of it

They have millions and millions and millions of dollars But there's only like 24,000 Scientology. Maybe yeah, I mean they just I think they just want the money Yeah, of course how many Mormons are there? I know this is a Google search millions. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty big I was wrong when I said it was like that big but it's it's very large So you could be a Mormon the wealthiest main church Well, it is you could be a Mormon and pay all this stuff and devote your whole life. And then what if you're not a part of the 160 something

thousand? Most of them won't be. And a lot of them who have paid in their whole lives and then realize they don't believe it anymore or they fuck up in some way and they're penalized in the way they do it. You get one of the tits fall out at the parking lot. Right, there you go.

One of those things that they accidentally suck a dick. There you go, but then you die and you don't get your planet You're like oh, man There's 17.25 million Mormons in the world yeah, that's not the yeah, that's a lot more than a hundred and seven thousand yeah Do math on that board and I'm pretty sure that's more than 144,000 people. Yeah, it sounds like they are fucking That's it's pretty low. It's so weird. No fucking stakes or whatever. It's low percentages there. They do lots of missionary work I know that I remember in college They were always around trying to convince people to be Mormon and my roommate at the time He was a funny guy the rebel as that was his last name. He wasn't a Confederate, but he, uh, the, uh, and, uh, I remember one day I did

the door, there was a knock on the door and I go to the door and these, these two Mormons sitting there and they're like, is, is Frank rebel here? And I was like, what the hell are you on Frank? You know, like, and then they were like, Oh, well, you know, we, we have an appointment with him. I'm like, Frank, there's some Mormons here for you. And then he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They promised me a free Bible, you know? And I was like, all right. And they come in and they're like, he's like, oh, yeah, you guys bring the Bible?

And he's like, yeah, he's like, but we got to talk to you for an hour first. And so I had to sit there and listen to them talk to him for an hour while I was like doing my laundry. Was it just for rolling papers? It was no, he, no, he wanted a Bible and he didn't want to buy a Bible get a free Bible so many ways People at the end of the conversation they handed them the Book of Mormon. He's like, what the fuck is this? And they're like, it's your Bible. He's like this ain't a Bible. It's book I truly feel bad for the missionaries because they are usually immediately out of high school.

Most of the younger, it's almost all the younger guys in the LDS church go on a mission, some women do. And they are taking advantage of very young, naive people and forcing them into these incredibly dangerous situations. Often times they're underfed. I hear that if Mormons come to your house, you're supposed to invite them in and feed them. But at least don't be mean to those kids because they they're just they're doing what they're

Think they're supposed to do. They don't know what's going on. I say fuck them They don't make the older people who run shit go do that because they know it's fucking bullshit Yeah, you tell them to get the fucking steppin. That's what I tell them. Yeah now I think what it is We're we're come to we'll come to the end of our discussion where the one thing that we do know is that because doomsday preppers are waiting for everybody to die, they do essentially become oftentimes

very dangerous when provoked. Right, they become very dangerous, they are ready to go at any moment. We talked a little bit about the Montana Freeman. It was pretty close to that. Kind of same thing. It's these weird sort of things where they sort of touch together. But where sovereign citizenship is sort of kind of leading away is in creating the individual domestic terrorist. Somebody like Darrell Brooks, who went and ran, he used his SUV to kill six people in a Christmas parade in Waukesha and he went and he

Represented himself in court. We found out that he was a full-on What you'd call a Freeman of the land and he did a whole big like crazy pretty like talking about like all of this shit And obviously he didn't do well. Yeah. Cause he went to jail, he went to full on trip. Oh this guy. Yeah this guy. The Wakasha? Wakasha.

Wakasha. He even, he looks really unhinged. I mean he's not well. But this is where. None of them are. But I don't know if we've seen yet a full Mormon domestic terrorist. It just, it's more subtle.

Because it's with their family. Well I mean the guy who killed his entire family There's a bunch of people right there. Their families a lot of times family Than this guy another one who was really well known as Josh Powell. He annihilated his whole family Oh, yeah, it's like family annihilators, but is that considered a domestic terrorist? No, not not by legal standards. No, no, no, no No, it's like a serial killer and a mass killer are like two different things because serial killers like over time one person at a time But a mass murder is like a lot of people all at once you could argue though guys like Tim Baller committing terrorism in certain ways

Oh, yes, it's mental terrorism. But again, it's again It's being subtle kind of like how I was we yes, and I was reading about how one of the big common things in far-right extremism online right now is Stormfront put out a sort of notice to their users of We have to make it so our website does not look unironic You have to make your racism look ironic like you need to use memes Use jokes you need to use memes, you need to use jokes,

you need stuff like that. How you get young people. It's like, it is literally the recruiting process for young men, which is what they do. They go and they make all of these jokes about like doing all these things and it is an extremely powerful recruiting process. And then they are able to also hide in the,

when you go to look at these websites, they can say, we're just joking, right? So this is where sovereign citizenship is actually gaining a lot of ground, is amongst young men, because they just don't. Lonely young men too. It's very lonely, and it's this idea that you can take control over a life

that is inherently out of your control. Oh my, because people are going off of dating apps, it's too expensive to go party anymore. Yeah, what are you gonna? Do you gonna join one of these little clubs online? Well, it seems a lot of people also have had their social abilities Shattered over the last four years. Yeah, and yeah I'm really into it a lot of parents who aren't really paying attention to they don't really raise some of those kids No, a lot of those kids don't have a lot of guidance well What do we've all learned what we all learned? What we all learned today? I've learned that I'm not gonna let you talk to me about this anymore when we're driving to and from work

I'm gonna send you Or anything I get what else Amber what have you learned um I think more of these guys should go to a bar with women and go dancing, like a line dancing. I think learning, like having hobbies, finding joy is an important thing. If you have compulsive thoughts, just talk to a doctor. I know they're all cucks, but they- Doctors are cucks, of course, but sometimes you gotta do it.

Yeah, we actually, both of us have compulsive issues and we take medication and it really helps. And sometimes like you can be a little autistic and go get into trains. Yeah. That's okay. Sure. That is totally fine. That's utterly fine.

There's a community there. Yeah, you don't have to get into quantum grammar. No, my dream home has a basement with a little train, like a little bottle train in it. Now I'm scared of you. Thank you. I think it's kind of fun. I want that. Yeah. But there's little bushes and people. And it's like I think it's kind of fun. I want that. Yeah.

With the little bushes and people. And it's like just like it's cemetery and like an abandoned factory. I would just ram the trains together. Yeah. Every day. You just hear me going like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, You can become a citizen of your own train station. Right! You can become a sovereign citizen of your toys. Of your own house. Yeah. No, not of your house. No. I can dress the dogs in little uniforms. Absolutely not.

I'm going to put the dogs in little uniforms. And I want them all to vote for Who's Daddy. Do sovereign citizens vote? No. I don't think most of the time they do. Even though they're very pro-Trump, I doubt most of them actually vote. No, I think that they were, they will do sovereign citizens vote. Are you asking Google?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ask Google. Yeah, yeah. I actually truly doubt that they do vote. They'll probably do this election because their guy is going up against evil, evil ladies. I don't know. I don't think they even care. They want to be, they want to fill out paperwork when it causes annoying issues for everyone

But I don't think they want to go do things why they don't get drivers licenses They don't want to fill that paperwork out and stand in line it's also this the perfectly mixed group of conmen and morons and So and that's a powerful powerful stripe and large part of our fucking population here in America And I have no problems with our con men or our morons But I want them to be aware of what they're signing up for it's hard It's hard if you're stupid right because they just don't because sovereign citizens their whole thing is the bad of the bone Born to be bad born to be free and in that way I guess I must be the most sovereign citizen of all because I'm

Willing to talk about them in a way. I mean it celebrates them, but also Constructive criticism, but it's interesting because I'm dumb and I don't do that Stupid hot Six times four Natalie That's your smart no it's not I What's six times four, Natalie? 24. Look at that. See, you're smart. No, it's not. I actually had to do this the other day, and it took me a while to figure out what six times four was, because I...

Do seven times four. Oh, see, he remembers. Oh, I don't know that. I don't know that. It's one more four! I know every theme song from every childhood show I watched in every commercial, and that's where the math would have been Of course, of course and I now know about quantum grammar, right? Which is why I forgot about our anniversary

It's fine because again, it destroys love. When's your anniversary? October 13th. Now, you know that yep Remember now they go to patreon.com slash slash podcast enough to watch us do this and go to The wherever you get your podcast and look up someplace underneath With Natalie Jean and Amber Nelson season what numbers coming up for season fours coming out And we're doing live streams every other week for now in between we will be doing them as well when the season starts But we're working towards season four. We're close. Yes coming up coming I dip my toe in the LDS a little bit today and there's a lot of fucked up shit You guys are gonna be talking

There's a lot of good people in that in the church and there's a lot of bad shit going on You're gonna be begging for David Winnmiller after their series You're gonna be begging for I don't think that's our eight of quantum grammar. That's where it really kicks in of quantum grammar. That's where it really kicks in. Go to LP on the left and various socials as we're at. Go to twitch.tv slash LPNTV to see our new Twitch shows. I think that they're all wonderful and when they are not there, they are on our YouTube channel. Go there and watch them there. Oh, yeah, I want to give a shout out to the Last Prisoner Project. They have an official gala fundraiser party in New York this Tuesday, September 24th, 9 PM. Go check it out. It's at T it's THC NYC.

It's a huge, huge event. I'm so jealous. I want to go. It's going to be amazing. Um, if you want, there's a, uh, if you're listening to this, there is a promo code for last podcast on the left fans It's last 10, but please go you can they're gonna be you're gonna be smoking on the rooftop There's gonna be all kinds of cool shit. They got DJs. They're playing movies. It's dance clubs It's gonna be unbelievable each floor is a different experience You're gonna be able to be giving you product to roll joints with while you're there

That's also there's fucking there's this like look at this weird room. You can see everything super trippy. You're making me jealous I'm so sad. I'm not gonna be there. Hopefully they do one in LA soon It seems like the coolest time in the world But go support them if you don't know what the last prisoner project does they help people in jail for marijuana? They're so interesting how sovereign citizens don't know what the Last Prisoner Project does, they help people in jail for marijuana. Interesting how sovereign citizens don't try to help people get out of jail. Because that would require some knowledge of the actual legal system. If you are a sovereign citizen, you want to go, please bring $75 worth of gold coins.

You have to bring gold tender. Yes, they will take your tender, but you have to bring your own scale. So when you go buy your ticket on Eventbr the official last prisoner project gala after party go check it out and type in last ten for ten percent off your ticket Thank you, Eddie Thank you join them for a good cause go smoke it up and have a good time and go to last podcast and left that Calm to buy all of our live shows. We've got a bunch of stuff coming up to go You're gonna like it. You're gonna like it and next week we're back with truelove.com to buy all of our live shows. We've got a bunch of stuff coming up. You're gonna like it.

You're gonna like it. And next week, we're back with True Crime. Amen, baby. Hail Satan. Hail the Last Prisoner Project. Let's get, I don't wanna, none of these other fuckers deserve a hail. Hey, one day people, you'll all understand

my new sub-quantum grammar. Oh boy. Oh God.