Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 608: The Tragedy of the Batavia Part IV - My Boss Is Gonna Kill Me!

Episode Date: February 15, 2025

The Tragedy of the Batavia comes to its thrilling climax with one final battle and the end of Jeronimus Cornelisz's reign of terror, the brutal execution of the mutinous defector, and the aftermath of... the event that would take the lives of over 120 crew members and passengers. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to ad-free new episodes.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to this is the last on the left That's when the cannibalism started Yeah, so I like to start yeah, so I like to start I can't wait for this episode. I love a happy ending Everyone just great never it's all filled with kisses When they do the flash mob together forgiveness is our favorite Then all the mutineers do the thriller dance at the same time. Dutch millionaire.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Well, I'm going to last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus parks. I'm here with Henry Zabrowski, justice fed, justice fed. I am filled with justice. What did you do? How did you, who'd you declare it on? Not in real life? Oh Just in this story. Oh And for me Justice for me. Yeah justice for Henry. You want an argument with your wife? Funny a funny idea Funny idea no, no, I I'm just think this this story the reason this ending is probably my favorite part of it
Starting point is 00:01:27 It's fucking awesome. I love it so much. How's the nutmeg you guys been using it in your various nogs every day I want to say thank you to gurney today. Did you receive I did they were fantastic gurney made us a Commemorative for the end of the Batavia series nutmeg macarons. Oh, I feel bad She asked me if I got my macarons I was like I don't want it and I didn't know it was I thought there was just macarons here I didn't know she made special Batavia in one. Yeah, you insensitive clod You classless simpleton I love it later
Starting point is 00:02:02 I love it later I have it either. How was it? Not Maggie. It was delicious. It was Christmasy. Mm-hmm very tasty She did a great job. Yeah, and we have the future buffer at Larson. How you doing stick it up there We'll see in a little while Did you actually did you get your shipment track for the yay shirt cuz I when I looked at my order and they're saying that my yay my new yay shirt is gonna be fucking delayed by like a month and a half oh I didn't know you got me one I just went ahead and made my own a bunch of electrical tape in. Put some flourish on it. Now on our last episode, we took you on a journey through the nightmare world created
Starting point is 00:02:50 by Euronymous Cornelis and his band of brutes on the islands where Upper Merchant Pelsart left the survivors of the Batavia to live or die by the whims of fortune. Nice. But if you'll join us as we go all the way back to the end of episode 2, Upper Merchant Pelsart had a journey of his own ahead of him, as he still had to go to Java to request help for the survivors. But more importantly, as far as he was concerned, Pelsart also had to report to the VOC on the full extent of just how badly he'd fucked up.
Starting point is 00:03:21 So today, before we return to the battle between the so-called defenders and the evil hordes of Euronymous Cornelis, let's rejoin upper merchant Pelsart and Captain Jakobs for their trip to Java. Yeah, I just love the word Java. It's beautiful. The more we say it, because it's also, you never say it, Java. Nice hat, cup of Java. It it's something you say as you like push your child down a well But to keep the timeline straight in your head We're rewinding the story all the way back to the days just after the Batavia shipwrecked long before Euronymous took over and began ordering the murders of over a hundred people
Starting point is 00:04:01 This is the journey to Java made by the rescue vessel that was supposed to return to the islands with help. So the longboat that sat on the Batavia's deck prior to the ship sinking was a 30 foot long craft with 10 oars and a single mast. Very much the sort of ship you'd expect to see being piloted by a few dozen Vikings. Eddie, you were correct. Oh yeah. We went to the British Museum.
Starting point is 00:04:24 You remember they had the entire Viking ship that they had excavated and they had all that kind of cool stuff in there. We learn on vacation. That's right. I love to go to the museums and pretend I'm reading. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just thinking about food.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Yeah, until you get to go to mmm, hamburger. And then also, there's something about the devastation there that really makes it sweet. Now, stupid question. Is it 10 double oars or there are five and five on each side? Because that's going to depend on how fast they can move. It's not a stupid question per se. It's on the boat for some reason. I feel like I'm playing because I do play D&D with Mike Lawrence and so I think that it's always the questions
Starting point is 00:05:05 I like how many pork Colossus are there? DM just go three As far as the crew on the longboat went upper merchant Pelsar made sure to bring the most Experienced sailors from the Batavia, so his chances of reaching his destination, 2,000 miles north, was about as good as it could get. The experienced sailors, however, included both Captain Arianna Jacobs and the boat swain, who had both been pegged by Upper Merchant Pelsart as mutineers before the longboat even shoved off.
Starting point is 00:05:41 It does seem, though, like all three of them had to just pretend like nothing was going on for the entirety of their journey to Java. Beautiful sunrise we're having. Yeah. What a great day to be a loyal ship captain. Yeah. It's nice that you said that. It's nice that you say that. Also, I'm just getting caught on the world. Have you seen the movie the tragedy of the botavia? Where they peg all the mutineers with the long boats? It's amazing what happens in that film. And it's just that the clove oil is thick and it's coming in hot. So it is 10 half oars because one side's made for the pecking. They always get the short side of the oar inside themselves.
Starting point is 00:06:26 How are they going to do that? Don't most oars have like the T at the very end of it? Oh yeah, you work it in the old corner way. You never try to get it in the old couch. I see. Hook in the corner. The experienced sailors had correctly surmised that they'd shipwrecked about 50 miles from Australia, which Australia back then was little more than a large blob on
Starting point is 00:06:50 all the maps, and it was still about a century and a half away from being settled by Europeans. But land was land, so the rescue boat's initial plan was to find water somewhere off the coast of Australia and bring it back to the survivors on the islands before the boat made its final push to Java. But after taking six full days to find even a safe spot to put in due to the coast's cliff-ridden geography, the rescue boat was too far away to return to Batavia's graveyard once they finally found water. So upper merchant Pelsart had his men gather what little water they could before heading straight to Java with the hope that the
Starting point is 00:07:27 survivors would figure out something until they got back. And we'll talk a little bit about Pelsart's journal. But one of the things he wrote that I thought was really funny is that when you see it, it's like they're all very short, you know, like day one, this many knots, this many miles and the clouds, the day but blah but then like they get to Australia and the first ones like Day three men on the coast doesn't want us to land pulling away as quickly as possible Also hitting the indigenous people yeah aboriginal other Yeah, they're all like no. Thank you. No, thank you. Please don't stop here. We know what you guys do No, it's good instincts by them. Oh, yeah, they're like we heard what you guys did for nutmeg Don't want you find out how thick and juicy our butts are here. I don't fucking park permanently
Starting point is 00:08:17 By the time Pelsar's boat left Australia, they'd already put a good amount of sea behind them But there was still 900 miles of open ocean to go. But with a good crew and boat, sailing fair weather and winds, they made it to Java, presumably without incident, although we don't know exactly what transpired during the journey, because Pelsart only recorded notes about weather and estimated locations in his journals. Because that was his, uh, essentially what he was going to have to show Coon when he arrived. Yeah, and he kind of didn't know what what he was going to have to show Kuhn when he arrived Yeah, and he kind of didn't know what story he was gonna tell no because he wasn't quite certain how many mutineers there were He knew that Jacobs was one and he knew that the Bowson was one
Starting point is 00:08:55 Yeah, he did not know who else was on the boat also It's like if you're writing it down in this little book at any moment. They could read it it down in this little book at any moment they could read it. Oh yeah! It's true! Yeah, if you're over in the corner writing, like making sure that no one looks good. What's your journal? Oh, just checking to see. This water's beautiful ain't it?
Starting point is 00:09:15 Yarrr, teal blue like my mother's asshole. Yeah, you can put that down for one of your skits. Mother's asshole. Yarrr, right? It was teal, wasn't it? When you do your skits on the island, you can tell them my old story. Talking about two thousand flushes. You know, someone posted a very interesting article on the Reddit that got to me that I thought was really interesting about why one in seven sailors could swim.
Starting point is 00:09:43 It is because they had, one of the big things was the superstition, which I thought was fascinating, was that the sea takes what it takes, and that it gets a taste for you. So their belief is that if you swim in the water, the ocean gets a taste for you and will reclaim you. They have this fatalist view about the ocean that it just takes and takes and takes and takes
Starting point is 00:10:05 Yeah, they they are like it's and it's this Unfeeling beast that they're on and they and they also believe it seeks retribution. I'd rather be reclaimed than just claimed That's right. Yeah, I mean cuz then somebody's choosing me because if you love something you let it go Unless you really love something and then you put it in the basement You park her in a bed and you chain her to it and you fill her full of your own great Did you bring your shovel or did you want to use mine? Hey, Joseph Fritzel is gonna be free soon and we better clean up our act before if we're not gonna get him on the show Because he is gonna look through it You know, he's gonna look and listen to our entire catalog to see if he'd be willing to give us his spot Casey Anthony already booked him
Starting point is 00:10:57 My name's Casey and my name's your names your say boobies you used to be a doctor yes fun to think about to Java well every person who left Batavia's graveyard on the longboat arrived safely in Java in late June after just 19 days at sea and that drives me fucking crazy that when the Batavia, when it shipwrecked, it was about two and a half weeks. And then we've been on the ocean for what? Like a year, six months, crazy error, actually eight months, I think six to eight months somewhere around there. Well, upper merchant Pelsart soon regrouped with one of the other boats that had been in the Batavia's original flotilla, the Sardom. And by July 7th, the 48 survivors had arrived in the VOC
Starting point is 00:11:46 colonial capital, which confusingly is also named Batavia. So just to make it as clear as possible here, there's Batavia, the ship dead and gone at the bottom of the ocean and Batavia, the colony located 2000 miles north of the shipwreck on the island of Java. It was easy for me to remember there were two Batavias because it almost rhymes with labias. And so, and you know what they say is loose lips must do kegels. Very funny. That's a pirate. When they pull into Batavia, is it like,, when they arrive, is it like, you remember the gambling planet in the worst part of The Last Jedi?
Starting point is 00:12:31 When they arrive, is it like a fun thing? Are they excited? I don't think anybody is excited. Pelsar's not excited to show up on one of his escort ships, and I'm about to get into exactly why the people of Batavia were very, very, very upset that the Batavia ship had sunk. Let's rock. Now if you'll remember from episode one, the colony of Batavia had been hard-won territory for the VOC.
Starting point is 00:12:57 See, before the Dutch, Batavia was the site of a thriving indigenous community of 3,000 people, a town known as Jakarta. Today, this territory is known as the Indonesian capital of Jakarta, which won its independence from the Dutch in 1949, over 300 years after the VOC first arrived on their shores. But back in the 17th century, the Dutch weren't even the first European settlers to arrive. The English East India Company had already begun building warehouses on Java when the VOC showed up. So after a series of skirmishes, the VOC engaged in a hostile takeover of sorts by sending
Starting point is 00:13:37 2,000 mercenaries to burn Jakatra to the ground. Ah, that's no middle ground here. No. They then overthrew the local indigenous leaders, built a castle on the ashes of the town they'd destroyed, and named the settlement Batavia in 1619, making it the center of all VOC trade in the
Starting point is 00:13:58 Indies. Cause remember, when I'm saying like the Dutch did this, I'm saying like Dutch people did this. It wasn't the Dutch government. This is a private company, the VOC, taking land, killing people, enslaving people, and doing whatever the fuck they want. And I will say that the country that it represented did definitely take those spoils with a smile. Which is what we're in the middle of now too, which we're in the middle of now that we'll see
Starting point is 00:14:24 what it means to have a bunch of oligarchs do all of your forward policy. Now as far as who lived in this settlement, the majority of the population were enslaved locals, while the rest were a motley crew of 2,000 European soldiers, merchants, and craftsmen. Batavia, however, was a true company town, as every single person who lived there either worked for the VOC or was married to someone who did. Most of the people who lived in Batavia never actually left the castle walls in all the years they spent there, because the lands surrounding the settlement were filled with rhinos, tigers, monkeys, and bandits who were ever so happy to kill a Dutchman if given the opportunity. God, you know what they say, if you give a monkey some nutmeg.
Starting point is 00:15:08 That old story? Hell yeah. Give a monkey some nutmeg, they kill a Dutchman. They kill a Dutchman. You gotta train them. You gotta train them to kill a Dutchman. You know, I live my life by that adage. Every day I think about if I was just a monkey with some nutmeg. I'd cross this goddamn world and I'm subjugated to people and I'd squeeze so much goddamn
Starting point is 00:15:30 spice out of them. My god, what freedom! Now the man who was in charge of Batavia the colony at this point in time, the one upper merchant Pelsart had to report to was Jans Kuhn the thin spindly fingered governor We talked about in episode one who should be played by the same dude who played the father and the witch if the Batavia movie Is ever made The Batavia movie You should not be made. I've thought about this long and hard throughout these this month Why cuz it can never be done as funny as we talked about it
Starting point is 00:16:16 No one is knowing can do the little noose for the baby's I feel like that's the only chance that has to be made is if it is in fact a comedy Yeah, because like it is just the comedy of the Batavia Very funny title for a film I could be a hell of a miniseries Yeah, I'd say that give it three four episodes and man you got something fucking special there But Jans Kuhn if you'll remember he was he was the man who'd secured the world's nutmeg supply for the VOC through a campaign of genocide and slavery.
Starting point is 00:16:50 He hid behind a strict Christian faith to justify his crimes against humanity. In other words, if you'd fucked up as badly as upper merchant Pelsart had just fucked up by sinking the company's flagship, stranding 270 people, and losing over $50 million in Gilders and Treasure, Jans Kuhn was the last man you wanted to go to, hat in hand. Also, I have a hangnail. I am extremely irritable. I've been drinking too much coffee. We're in Java after all.
Starting point is 00:17:23 No one tell me, could someone find half and half Ireland? Because I'm dying here. The acid alone, I'm just, I am up to, I can't sleep, I'm burping, I'm burping pure hydraulic. It's covered right out of my mouth. Making matters worse for Pelsart was the fact that Jans Kuhn was in a particularly bad mood in July of 1629 Because things were not going well at all for the VOC in Batavia and to really understand the decisions Pelsart and Kuhn were about to make You've got to understand what was happening in the Indies outside of the shipwreck. You're gonna take that context and you're gonna fucking choke on it! You're gonna take that fucking context and you're gonna fucking understand it!
Starting point is 00:18:04 With a very basic of it! Because if you fucking don't, you've lost everything. We didn't get to the fourth fucking episode to skim some context, you piece of shit. You fucking open up wide and throw some KY down your throat because you're going to fucking jam some context. We're putting the content context. See, as we discussed on episode one, Yans Coon had secured the nutmeg and clove fields of the Indies by committing genocide on the people known as the Banta, and while the VOC didn't necessarily agree with Coon's methods, they still made him governor of the islands
Starting point is 00:18:38 after the genocide because Coon was a loyal company man who got results. But the Bantanese weren't the only people native to the Indies. Amongst many established societies, there was an entire kingdom of indigenous people called the Mataram Empire. They ruled over much of the island of Java, where the colony of Batavia was actually located. And these are the guys that are always a problem at the beginning of a civil sex There's always a hyper aggressive local colony it starts picking at you while you're trying to start your very first couple of cities Yeah, meanwhile the Russians got fucking nothing around them, and they're just going miles ahead of you They're already they've already discovered a goddamn art, and I'm sitting over here trying to just get a settler mate
Starting point is 00:19:24 But that's why it's important. You gotta use scouts. Yeah. Boy scouts? Yes. I always throw five boy scouts at any problem because three of them can be killed. Now the Moderon Empire was an agrarian society. Should I? Yes please.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Agrarian. That operated on the barter system. So the VOC was fine with letting them do their own thing just so long as they didn't interfere with the spice trade. But the leader of the Madaram Empire fancied himself a bit of a conqueror and suddenly decided that he wanted Batavia for himself. So about a year before the VOC's flagship sunk to the bottom of the ocean, a force of 10,000 Mata Marie's warriors attempted to take the VOC's colonial capital. So, such a pain in the ass, especially if you haven't fortified anything.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Yeah. And all of a sudden they're all over your shit, and they're fucking destroying your resources, and they're pillaging your, like like the little areas of your fucking guys Just fucking such a pain to deal with these other cultures, you know But like if they're bringing ten thousand, what are these hundred soldiers really gonna do couple thousand? Well, they've got fortifications That's the thing is that the other soldiers I mean, it's not like these ten thousand people are showing up with guns and catapults and trebuchets and all that shit They've got pretty primitive weapons and Batavia, like they have built an actual castle on the
Starting point is 00:20:50 ashes of the town they've destroyed. So they can just go behind the walls. And that's exactly what Yans Khun did. Like he led his people into the most fortified section of the fortress and he burned down the rest of the settlement in your classic scorched earth maneuver. The VOC were under siege for three months before the Matamorese ran out of supplies and left, but Jans Kuhn knew that when the Matamorese harvest came in the next August, the indigenous forces would return and attempt to take the city again.
Starting point is 00:21:18 Which is also how humankind beat the Homo Sapien beat Neanderthal. Um, how? By hiding behind the castle walls? No, what we did was that we realized that they would attack again. And then we fortified and changed. And that's something the Neanderthals weren't expecting. So that's why in the end, we defeated them. And also, it's hot in August. Well, this inevitable second attack was a big part of why Janskun was counting on the Batavia
Starting point is 00:21:50 to arrive, because he desperately needed the soldiers the Batavia was carrying to fortify the castle defenses when the Mataram Empire mounted its next attack. The Batavia colony was also still mostly in ruins almost a year later, which would have made those sandstone blocks being carried by the ship Batavia quite useful. There was also the matter of the cash, the equivalent of 52 million dollars, which was central to the VOC's future plans in the Indies. But that's all to say that when upper merchant Palsart showed up in Java with a boat of mostly sailors and nothing else
Starting point is 00:22:32 He was about to deliver the worst news possible to the biggest hard ass in the VOC right when said hard ass Desperately needed good news. Why would he bring some gold? Well, that's actually young Cohen look brought up like you didn't bring anything. Yeah, like nothing You just brought a bunch of fucking sailors. They're a dime a dozen We can get sailors anywhere You know, it's just kind of like what I did I just made a couple decisions real fast You don't think the young coon would have been like so you're bringing me five gold pieces Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like he's gonna lose out. No matter what yeah, he didn't even bring the hat My man looks stupid showing their stupid Dutch hair
Starting point is 00:23:21 It's dumb they need help I hate looking at them. Oh, Pelsar's here. Did he bring the hats? No. Back to looking like a bunch of idiots. You all look like a bunch of ventriloquist dolls. God, I'd be so embarrassed when the Mataram show up. None of you can be seen with me if I make Jennifer Anderson. None of you could be seen with me you're embarrassing Hello, Florida Your favorite son and biggest baby are coming home to bring you the laughs you deserve
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Starting point is 00:24:46 Island, Dania beach, Orlando and Key West. So lock up your public subs and start singing the Miami dolphins fight song because we're going to party like it's Florida baby tickets at eddytunes.com. Now, luckily for Upper Merchant Pelsart, Governor Coon had nearly been shipwrecked two years earlier in almost the same spot where the Batavia sank, so he did have the tiniest bit of sympathy towards Pelsart's plight. But Coon was ultimately unimpressed by the fact that Pelsart had arrived with no valuables whatsoever. Kuhn was a company man through and through, and since he knew that the top priority for the Gentlemen 17 would be the cargo, Kuhn's first priority was the same. So Kuhn gave Pelsart explicit instructions to return to the islands immediately,
Starting point is 00:25:40 where he would prioritize not the survivors, but the loot. Yes, Mr. Kuhn. Absolutely, Mr. Kuhn. You couldn't be more right. Fuck the survivors, but the loot. Yes, Mr. Kuhn. Absolutely, Mr. Kuhn. You couldn't be more right. Fuck the children. Fuck the women. You're absolutely correct. Let's get the money. It took months, and whoever was still alive when Pelsart returned would just have to wait until the VOC had scraped every inch of ocean for every last bit of recoverable loot before being brought back to civilization. The implication here was that if Pelsart did not recover enough VOC property to satisfy Governor Coon, then Pelsart could very well have found himself totally responsible for
Starting point is 00:26:16 the losses, which could have resulted in jail time or even execution if Coon was feeling particularly saucy on the day he made his decision. And you better be careful because it's marinara Monday. And the sauce is getting thicker than it's ever been. And I'm about to bring you down deep like one of the meatballs. But on their Sunday, I mean, people casually say today like oh my boss is gonna kill me But with the VOC your boss could actually kill you we really need to bring that back
Starting point is 00:26:51 Up to you to to do it. I can't wait now. We'll have a power Can we execute someone let's put it out on the slack and see what everyone thinks Let's have to do, let's choose one! Travis! Yay, I killed Travis! But then there was of course the matter of what to do with the mutinous Captain Yakups and the boat swaying. Now we don't know exactly how it went down, but soon after their arrival in Java, Pelsart distanced himself from his former shipmates. At some point, Pelsart had to tell Governor Kuhn, on top of everything else, that a mutiny had been fomenting on the ship just before it wrecked. This was the cherry on top of Pelsart's Sunday of Incompetence, and it seems like it took Pelsart
Starting point is 00:27:37 about four days to work up the nerve to mention it to his boss. But once Kuhn was told, Captain Jacobs and the boatswain were immediately arrested and thrown into the dungeons of Castle Batavia to either await justice or rot until the end of their days. God damn it. He deserved it. Now two days after the captain and the Boatswain were arrested, upper merchant Pelsart was given command of the Sardum, a smallish yacht staffed with a skeleton crew of 30 guys, so as to make sure they had enough room for survivors in loot. Mostly loot. Mostly loot.
Starting point is 00:28:12 They set sail from Java for a relatively short journey to the islands, where Pelsart hoped he would find most of the survivors still alive, if not thriving. You just never know with these people. You never know. Some people, you know what they say, a woman's like a packet of tea, you never know how strong she is until you put her into hot water. And you never know with these people, this could be the best time of their lives. Yeah, I'm sure they're great. I need a vacation. I bet you, when we get out there, they're gonna say, hey, take the gold, get out of here. We want to stay right here.
Starting point is 00:28:45 The startlings phenomenal. Instead, when Pelsart arrived at Batavia's graveyard, he found the survivors in the middle of a war. And so now that we've told you all about what happened to upper merchant Pelsart after he left the survivors, let's back things up a couple of weeks in the timeline to where we left things off in episode three. We're now back on the island chain with Viva Hias and the defenders on the highlands and Euronymous Cornelius on Batavia's graveyard with his band of murderous mutineers. Back to the boredom.
Starting point is 00:29:23 You think those guys are going to attack us, man? Mutineers back to the boredom Thank God we found that crazy plant Sure does make me not care What is that you're doing what are you doing there who you talking to me? Yeah, what's that? What's that sound you just made? If you'll remember refugees from Batavia's graveyard were washing up on the highlands for weeks in groups of four or five Where they found that Viva Hayes and his men were having a grand old time enjoying near unlimited water and a veritable buffet of island creatures for sustenance. But each and every person who arrived at the Highlands had a new, horrific story to tell
Starting point is 00:30:19 about what was going down over on Batavia's graveyard, from casual murder to full-on massacres, all committed in service of Uronimus' fantasy of becoming a pirate. I watched a fucking 15-year-old boy murder a bunch of other boys and then laugh about it, and then I watched a man kill that boy. Fucking bummer, man. Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 00:30:44 So should we check that out or something? Did you buy a ticket for that? kill that boy Did you buy a ticket for that so it passed me some tiny kangaroo Well after hearing all this Viva highest knew that it was only a matter of time before Euronymous and his men came for them. See, both Viva and Euronymous knew that the first group who made it to the rescue boat was going to be the ultimate winner here. If Viva made it first, then his group could warn their rescuers about the mutineers, and after defeating the mutineers, they could all go to Java to continue living the soldier's
Starting point is 00:31:21 life. But if Euronymous made it, the mutineers would likely kill everyone aboard the rescue ship and leave Viva's men to die. And that's if the mutineers didn't use the rescue ships cannons and weapons to slaughter Viva's group just because they wanted to. We seem to be doing quite a bit of that. Yes. So I think that makes it, oh yeah, they're definitely gonna fuck them all up. Yeah. But aren't the mutineers like fucking weak as hell at this point? At this point they are, but if you've got weapons, so if you've especially if you've got superior weapons It can really make all the difference also
Starting point is 00:31:51 You know when you listen to anything about history there are certain X factors Dan Carlin talks about it all the time where sometimes that level of hunger and desperation and More like that you have more murders under your belt and actually makes you a stronger adversary because these guys have been killing people left right but they're also getting drunk and lazy yeah but this is also an island full of soldiers and sailors yeah they'd be strong as fuck we'll see but that's all to say that Viva knew that the stakes were high and he had to be prepared the biggest problem Viva had though was that
Starting point is 00:32:24 Uronimus's men had all the muskets and swords, but that didn't mean Viva didn't have advantages himself. Most importantly, Viva had made sure that everyone who showed up on the highlands was well provided for, which engendered real loyalty, and the abundance of resources on the highlands meant they had no less than fifty healthy people willing to fight. In contrast, Euronymous ruled his men by fear, and their rations were limited to what rainwater they could catch with tarps, along with stray birds, and a rapidly dwindling supply of hardtack.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Viva was also a hell of a soldier, so he and his men studied the geography of the Highlands to surmise where they could best defend the island against Euronymous when he and his men finally mounted their attack. Eventually, Viva pegged a shore of mud flats as the most likely landing spot, so a lookout was posted there at all times with clear vantage points to send signals inland, where most of the real defenses actually were. But since their strategy was based almost solely on defense, Viva's men took to calling themselves the defenders go go Island defender
Starting point is 00:33:36 everything doesn't need a name yeah I don't know having a name for your group, it's a team thing, you know? Yeah, I guess so. The Gorillas. See that's their name. They don't know what a gorilla is. How about, yeah, something like, you know, the football team. Yeah, OK. The Highest Island football team. The Floatellers.
Starting point is 00:33:56 The Commanders. I like the Floatellers. Yeah, that's fun. The tiny kangaroos. Yeah. The cats. Ooh, the cats. Meow.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Meow. R. Meow. Rawr. Now, having no military experience, no understanding of strategy, and a shallow bench when it came to military advisors, Euronymous Cornelis fell back on manipulation and deceit as his opening volley in the war. He wrote a letter to Viva warning him that the people who'd escaped to the Highlands were all telling lies. They were the evil ones who were planning to betray Viva. So, Euronymous suggested, it would be in Viva's best interest to arrest those who had escaped and wait until
Starting point is 00:34:37 Euronymous came to take them away. Don't worry, we're on our way. Let's go, go, go, go, apprehend the, apprehend the criminals for me. We're gonna get in there,'s go go go go apprehend the criminals for me We're gonna get in there, we're gonna do a big investigation We're gonna get to the bottom of this and find out what's really going on And I want to try one of these tiny kangaroos XOXO
Starting point is 00:34:55 Thank you, much love, you're onimous Because it's also funny too that they're on an island and the first thing is like DictatorTER! YES! BRING ME MY QUILL! And it's just like, you're on a fucking, you're surrounded by the corpses of infants! Now, Euronymous' letter was delivered by a young VOC cadet who'd helped with the drownings in the early days of Euronymous' executions. But since Viva wasn't an idiot, the defenders took him captive as soon as he landed.
Starting point is 00:35:25 When the cadet didn't return, Euronymous knew his plan hadn't worked, so he decided for an all-out attack. A group of twenty men, led by the psychopathic David Zavank, boarded boats to attack the highlands, but the defenders were well prepared. The mutineers landed exactly where Viva thought they would, but when faced with the full force of healthy soldiers armed with homemade weapons, the mutineers retreated immediately. They figured out that muskets take a lot to use. It takes a second. Especially back in
Starting point is 00:35:58 the 1600s. You got to pack it, you have to put in the wick, you light the fuse or whatever it is. It's about around a minute. so what he's what he realized is that okay? They have guns we only have the slings and rocks and all this bullshit But what we can do is we can make their guns useless by instead of using the rocks Which is at first they thought like oh, they're gonna sling rocks at us. We're fucking got guns You were shooting it at the water So that when they were waiting when they because the way they put it they had to get out of the boat and Wade to the beach mud flats like mud flats is literally what they did
Starting point is 00:36:34 They try to do on D-day and so they they had a wade through the water with the muskets held up like this So then they would shoot the slings into the water to splash all over them to get the the wicks wet and to make the guns Useless yeah, you know how good they got it slinging rocks. They got nothing else to do And there's a lot of rocks and not to mention they're a lot harder to kill than starving children So now that the mutineers knew what they were up against, they returned with their entire crew a few days later, all of course except for Euronymous, who stayed behind on the graveyard. This time the defenders and the mutineers actually clashed, but the mutineers again retreated without any real casualties on either side.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Totally at a loss on how to break through, the mutineers made no further attempts at attack for another month. But in that month, the survival situation for the mutineers became dire. Their food and water rations were running dangerously low, while it was quite obvious that Viva's group was living high on the hog, relatively speaking. So what started as a war to save the mutineers from execution, became a battle for resources. Like many demagogues throughout history, Euronymous thought he was much more clever than he really was.
Starting point is 00:37:52 While he had no problem manipulating men who were already dissatisfied, ignorant, and prone to violence, he had a much harder time fooling anyone with a sense of decency. So when Euronymous moved on to his next plan of taking the highlands through subterfuge and deception, Viva Hayes saw through Euronymous' bullshit almost immediately and was able to turn Euronymous' plan against him. All it takes is, it's amazing how sometimes incompetence comes up against the barest form of competence and how it falls apart. The defenders had plenty of food and water, but they were dressed in rags, and how it falls apart. Yeah, see the defenders had plenty of food and water But they were dressed in rags and they had to use driftwood planks strapped to their feet for shoes
Starting point is 00:38:30 Euronymous meanwhile had plenty of material for clothes since Batavia's graveyard was far closer to the wreckage of the Batavia itself and More stuff had washed ashore on his side of the archipelago. I dare them to fight without hats. I dare them to look stupid. Oh, you found the hat box. Yes, and I'm keeping it for myself. Because as the seasons change, so do hats. So, Euronymous proposed a simple trade, red wine and canvas for food and water. The trick Euronymous planned to pull, if you could even call it a trick, was that when the trade was made, the mutineers would take a few of the defenders
Starting point is 00:39:09 aside to sow dissension and convince them to come and turn coat. Oh, I want to ask you a question. Is it harder to kill a baby or a six-year-old? And I know in the Lord that whatever answer you got, we support. Well, if the mutineers were successful, then it would be far easier for your onimus to mount an attack and murder every defender on the highlands. But like most of your onimus's plans, it was about as ham fisted as you could get. No offense. None taken. So basically his plan was like for him and his boys to be like, listen, I know you got
Starting point is 00:39:46 all this food and water, but how about shoes? Well, not just shoes, but how about shoes and gold? We've got a lot of treasure over there. But out here, it doesn't fucking matter, bro. It doesn't matter at all. That's why the plan's fucking stupid. Now this time around, your on him, has got a little more clever with his envoys. Instead of sending a mutineer with the trade offer, he sent the minister who was
Starting point is 00:40:12 received kindly and told that the defenders were open to negotiations even though they knew Euronymous was planning something. So Euronymous took his full company of 37 men to the highlands with the red wine and canvas to complete the illusion. See? Yeah, see? See? And it's also, this just, it speaks to Euronymous' narcissism as well, that he even, this is
Starting point is 00:40:36 very much magical thinking. He knows that 20 people have showed up and told Vive Jaias all about the massacres that have happened. But he thinks that he's clever enough to work his way through it. And how did they get there? Did they swim? No, mostly that like there were rafts, you know. They were building boats out of the leftover wood from the Batavia. So you remember that he had the other side of the island. There were the people that were technically not members of the mutineer party that were stuck on one side.
Starting point is 00:41:07 So what they did was build boats. So they built their own boats. They had some of their own like kind of half-made boat raft things. And then kind of like basically the first couple of people that landed on the highlands that were running away from Batavia's graveyard, they left those boats. And then those boats would would go back and forth.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Well so as to not appear too aggressive, Euronymous left most of his men on a small islet 400 yards off the highlands when he went to go do his little trade subterfuge, while he and his five best men continued to the mudflats to meet with Viva. Now Viva could immediately see how pitiful Euronymous and his men really were once they were not in the heat of battle, as each man was rail-thin from three months of trying to survive on whatever meager rations they could obtain on their barren wasteland. Our were still fit, our were still strong, I just, my fingernails are falling off. And they're also all dressed in these ridiculous costumes that they've like
Starting point is 00:42:06 put together through like other officers, you know, people they've killed. I couldn't notice, but you don't have a hat on. And as you can see, I've got two on my shoulders. They're all like broomsticks dressed like kings. Yeah, exactly. Viva also saw through your on him as his plan immediately, especially after your on him as his five companions walked up to Viva's men and clumsily
Starting point is 00:42:32 offered them guilders to switch sides right in front of Viva. It's so funny because I feel like I'm getting called out for my own. Now, obviously, I'm sorry that it's all SIB. SIB seven came out.
Starting point is 00:42:41 I haven't started it yet, but I've been kind of watching a lot of videos on it and I am stuck in that mode right now because it's really it's embarrassing because this is one of my big Moves that I love to do. Mm-hmm. I'm kind of mad that highest like pulled this apart so quickly But it works in sieve or what you do is you send somebody in you send the diplomat in send a diplomat in but then What you do is you park an army? Too far for them to see and then while they're doing negotiations you just attack. Yeah, that's awesome
Starting point is 00:43:10 Saying it's not Suck me because and honestly works for me. Why bit it's a video game. This is a People now when the mutineers attempted to bribe his men right in front of him Viva figured enough was enough and took the opportunity to arrest Euronymous and his five mutineers on the spot. They fucking got him! It was just that easy! He's such a fucking bitch! Yeah!
Starting point is 00:43:33 Four hundred yards away on the islet, the rest of the mutineers saw the arrest of their companions and prepared to advance. Seeing this, Viva Hyas ordered the immediate execution of every mutineer except Euronymous, and five men, including the psychopathic David Zavank, were exterminated on the spot. This is when bullies meet actual bullies. The other mutineers were shocked and demoralized by the executions, although I don't know exactly what they expected to happen here. But instead of attacking-
Starting point is 00:44:03 Hold on, we can die? But I thought you were as bored as we! What do you have there? Oh my god, it's part cheesy! Listen, don't kill me, there's women to kill! Yes, kill a woman! Don't you want to kill a child? But instead of attacking, the mutineers returned to Batavia's graveyard, and in the end, the defenders also got the red wine and the canvas without having to give anything in return. I will say there is something to chopping the head off the snake. Yeah, I think that they fall apart. I think that you also When you're stuck out there and this also calls from like this is a little bit of a culty thing, right? Where they
Starting point is 00:44:43 Have the sunken cost fallacy of just the six weeks of being under this man's control that they just jumped under, right, they literally just said, all right, roll him with ya. Yeah. And then they realized like, oh, like, the whole world is not gonna sort of like bend over for us. Well, it's the paper tiger thing where they immediately see like, oh, fuck, like, he's just a bunch of talk doesn't really work
Starting point is 00:45:05 You just collided with the wall that is reality Yeah, and if your honor has had half a fucking brain and was a decent apothecary just poison the wine Yeah, that's what you do in the goblin camp. Yeah Damn it. I need a life. I need to kill people for real I need more interesting stories. I need to like go and join a mercenary group or do something. So that I can come in with these types of scenarios and I can really tell you stories. Like how Christopher Lee told everybody on set of Lord of the Rings,
Starting point is 00:45:37 like what it actually sounds like when you stab a man in the back. He's done it a bunch. You know, like I need that. I need that type of, especially as a podcaster. Yeah, no, no, podcasters definitely need war experience. I need more time in the... maybe in a prison cell or something. I can fight my way out. We could get you into a prison easier than we can get you into a war. Legally. Let's say I go in not having committed a crime, but find out if I can get myself out.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Ah, that's, I believe, an Arrested Development plotline. Wow, yes it is. Or the Escape Plan movie with Stallone and- I'm not pitching this as a movie, I'm saying this as my life. Oh, okay, all right. Now after arresting Euronymous, the defenders tortured and humiliated
Starting point is 00:46:18 the now former mutineer leader by throwing him into a limestone pit, where they gave him the task of plucking and cleaning all the birds the defenders hunted They allowed your onimus to keep one bird out of nine as so-called Salary, but his job kept him constantly covered in blood and feathers Languishing in a pit quickly filling with bird guts the health department of a field day with Incredible what an amazing way to find I love an entire pit filled with bird guts It's actually how I sound like this I take feathers
Starting point is 00:47:03 You know bird guts can actually cure the measles? Yeah, you actually get it. A shot is gonna be one of those miracle cures you've never seen. Sorry, I'd want to share all Heinz pussy hairs stuck in my fucking lungs. Oh, mate, no, that's just a worm screaming out of my brain. Oh, I want my fucking wife. That's a curb your enthusiasm plot line. Yep.
Starting point is 00:47:25 Nope. No. No. No. Meanwhile, back on Batavia's graveyard, the mutineers were going through a crisis of leadership. The next in command, a soldier named Stonecutter Piteres was ineffectual and unpopular.
Starting point is 00:47:40 So the mutineers elected a 24 year old Dutch soldier as the graveyard's new leader might be the worst name I've ever heard. Vowder Losh. Don't you say that. I am the leader of the island group now and everybody wants us to know we are going away we are doing lip syncs. Vowder Losh sounds like the cumboy at a Berlin nightclub.
Starting point is 00:48:05 I was! I didn't find a good job before! It's a recession! Because now people come for free. They clean it up, they get their people, they get their families to clean it up for them. Well under Bauderlach's command, nobody else was murdered on Batavia's graveyard, and the reign of terror was effectively at an end, unless of course you were a woman. After Baalderloss's command, nobody else was murdered on Batavia's graveyard, and the reign of terror was effectively at an end unless, of course, you were a woman.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Things continued to be horrible for them. But not now, that's for certain. Women, the problems for them and of them have been cured. Solved. Finally. But at the very least, no one lived in fear of random stabbings or stranglings from that point on, and they even reinstated the council. But even though some semblance of civilization had been restored, it didn't solve the inevitable
Starting point is 00:48:52 execution or resource problems, so the plan to attack the highlands was soon back on. And so, after trying to send the minister one more time with a false peace offering that was immediately rejected, the mutineers launched another attack on September 17th, an attack that would prove to be their last. Why wouldn't the minister just stay at the highlands? I've actually asked myself that question. I think it's a fear, partly, and he also signed the loyalty oath.
Starting point is 00:49:24 And for these people people paperwork is sacred I'm not even fucking joking here paperwork is very sacred He signed a loyalty oath to your honor miss Cornelius and his men his men are still there They're still fucking hanging out. So he has to honor that loyalty contract. He also signed a loyalty contract to his dead wife Yeah, yeah He also signed a loyalty contract to his dead wife. Yeah Yeah Something about when it comes to wives, they don't care as much. Yeah till death do his part though. Yeah over Yeah, his contract ended. Yeah Now the mutineers were at their greatest disadvantage yet in this offensive
Starting point is 00:49:59 All their best military men have been executed on the mudflats, and Viva had larger numbers who were better fed, as well as the high ground. But the advantage the mutineers still hadn't brought into play were the guns. Either because they were saving them for the rescue ship, or because Euronymous thought he was clever enough to get by without them, the mutineers still hadn't fired the muskets that they'd had since day one. But with no other options, the mutineers incorporated the muskets into a strategy that had a good chance of working. What we will do is we will use the guns to shoot out the birds, and the birds will make so many
Starting point is 00:50:33 noises that it will make the sailors frustrated, and they will give up. They'll give up the whole thing because they're like, them little birds are yelling. I can't think straight enough to make decisions about the war. Youroronomous just became Joseph Fritzl. That's not Youroronomous. That's not Stron. That's Vowder Loesch. That's Vowder Loesch. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:51:00 It is a lighter version of Fritzl. Different character. Vowder, under your new regime, what is your hat policy? I still believe that hats are important for our reputations as soldiers, and they are important for our feelings as men. So hats on! Yeah, I am very happy. Feelings are being taken into account.
Starting point is 00:51:25 I love a prim. My feelings have been pushed down for too long. Once the mutineers loaded into their boats, rode over to the highlands, and landed on the mudflats, they used their two muskets to keep the fight at long range by firing one round a minute. And while this sounds like it wouldn't work, the mutineers were able to injure three defenders and kill one. The rock thing.
Starting point is 00:51:51 It sounded like a good idea. Didn't really work in practice. Started because, again, if they stayed on the boats. And it is interesting, though, because they really just show that musket warfare had its like time. Yeah. You know what I mean? They worked hard on it it like when we were watching the armored a the AMMA yeah where it's like you kind of forget that like no these weren't like you know the the entire body suits of armor they were built to be functional like they're not
Starting point is 00:52:17 just art pieces like you can roll around and like that was a whole thing now there's tactics to every single one of these weapons if there wasn't tactics behind them they wouldn't be a part of warfare. This strategy very well could have translated to total victory for the mutineers, a rescue for Euronymous Cornelis, and the slaughter of every man, woman, and child on the Highlands. But just as the mutineers were about to overtake the defenders and kill them all, they spotted something on the water off in the distance. It was upper merchant Pelsart returning after three months with 30 men and a fully stocked
Starting point is 00:52:51 VOC ship right in the middle of a battle. Why dress apart? All show up, but they're like it's a boat Now Pelsart should have shown up days before his dramatic entrance But with Captain Jacobs and the boats Wayne in jail on Java, it took Pelsart forever to find the islands again. Where exactly was that island? Left? Shit! Right? Fuck! Backwards! Oh no! Okay, let me orient myself. Let's go back to Java and then I'll think about it. It's this way more than this way.
Starting point is 00:53:41 And then I'll think about it. It's this way more than this way. Well, Pelsart actually had no idea if anyone was even alive on the archipelago. But when he saw smoke coming from the islands, he dropped anchor and had his crew load the ship's boats with supplies. And just by a fluke of geography, the first island Pelsart came to was the Highlands. Now had Pelsart landed on Batavia's graveyard with no knowledge whatsoever of what had transpired in the three months he'd been gone, it was entirely possible that the mutineers could have surprised them and taken the ship because Pelsart's crew was mostly people focused on recovering the loot. But the mutineers didn't know that and when they saw that the rescue ship was definitely heading towards the highlands,
Starting point is 00:54:25 they broke off their attack and retreated to their camp, while Aviva Hyas raced to meet Pelsart's boat to warn him about the mutineers. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun I wish I could. Why don't we go to the other island? The one where they fought. Suck! Alright, well suck! Suck and duck, I guess. With the VOC back in the picture, the fight had gone out of many of the mutineers, but of all people, the rabid yet impotent cabin boy, Jan Pelgrim, acted as the mutineer's mascot and got the men fired up again. Don't you guys want to kill? Don't you know when that boat comes and takes us to Java, we'll never be able to kill another boy again?
Starting point is 00:55:28 Don't you wish that we could just... We're gonna take that boat, and I swear, boys, we're gonna get out of that high seas, and boy, oh boy, we're gonna be the rudest, the stupidest bunch of pirates the whole world's ever seen. If I go, will you shut the fuck up? Will you shut the fuck up? Hey, come on!
Starting point is 00:55:43 Okay, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go. Have a positive outlook. Will you shut the fuck up? Will you shut the fuck up? Okay, I'll go! I'll go! I'll go! Have a positive outlook! She fucking stabs a little girl to death. Within minutes, Jan Pelgrim convinced a group of mutineers to get back in their boats and row for one last shot at taking the rescue ship and killing everyone who stood in their way. Because at this point, death was coming for them no matter what they did.
Starting point is 00:56:06 You just gotta remember that at this point, death is coming for us no matter what we do. So, let's kill voluntarily! Yay! Fine, just... you know he's a good mascot. Let's have a positive outlook! Come on guys! Yeah, I guess it's not fun if everyone's got a bad attitude Can I ask any did you fart no, okay good no neither did I well, that's funny you didn't even ask me I
Starting point is 00:56:39 I'm sorry Marcus. I know your farts Yeah, my farts are much worse than this. Partly wonder if I farted. There is a smell. Yeah. Rob? No. Not right. Well, continue.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Now over on the Highlands, the problem the defenders had was that they'd hidden all their boats on the north side of the island to keep them safe from capture during the battle. That meant that Viva had to cross two miles of rough ground, then row his boat another three miles to the Sardum before the mutineers got there first. Upper Merchant Pelsart had also somewhat foolheartedly boarded a boat full of supplies along with
Starting point is 00:57:13 half his men to look for survivors on the highlands, so the Sardum was lightly crewed by just a dozen sailors. Easy pickings for armed mutineers. But once Viva Hyas reached his raft He rode out until he spotted upper merchant Pelsart standing dumbly on the beach waiting for something to happen You can see this on the patreon, you know them the forest gump meme The back of it and the small of his back and just waiting. The only ship that survived.
Starting point is 00:57:50 Something's got to happen soon. Well, Viva quickly made his way to Pelsart and told him to go back to his ship immediately because a party of scoundrels from the other islands had intentions to seize the sardom. After hearing a very brief version of what had transpired over the last three months, SONS OF FUCKED UP SHIT AND TRUGGERED AND FUCKING ME IN THE BEGINNING. THERE'S A KID AND THERE'S ANOTHER GUY AND IT'S IN A BUNCH OF STUFF AND THEY WERE FUCKING, AND THEY WERE RETROWING THE KIDS AND THEN WE HAD A WRAPE CIRCLE
Starting point is 00:58:15 AND IT WAS A LOT OF STUFF THAT AND FUCKING I'M, MY BELLY HURTS AND I'M EATING NONE OF MY BISCUITS. These tiny kickers are delicious. I can't obviously try them if you got a shot. We call them cats. Pelsart jumped into action and got back in his boat. These tiny kickers are delicious. Obviously try them if you got a shot. We call them cats. Pelsart jumped into action and got back in his boat, but not before he told Viva to bring
Starting point is 00:58:31 Uronimus Cornelis to the Sardom with all haste. Pelsart, however, was still some distance from his ship when he saw, rounding the southern point of the Highland, a sloop carrying the mutineers. So he told his men to row, row, faster, faster, and he barely had enough time to clamber up the side of his ship to alert his crew before the mutineer sloop pulled aside. It was a photo finish! But the defenders had warned Pelsart just in time. Minutes! And when Pelsart looked down at the eleven men in the sloop below, dressed in their ostentatious
Starting point is 00:59:05 homemade uniforms and armed with swords, he knew that Viva Hyas had told him the truth. There's the fucking hats! After a brief standoff, the mutineers saw sense that their cause was finally lost, and with their surrender, the three-month-long mutiny on the Batavia was finally over at the cost of over 120 lives. Dude, on fucking islands, less than like, less than a football field blinks across in over like maybe two months. Three months. Yeah, I'd say three months from the arrival. It's like June to September. 120 people? 120 people, over 120 people. I think it's something, they
Starting point is 00:59:45 don't really know exactly how many people died but they think it's somewhere between like 120 and 130. And I gotta say that was the best summer of our life. Summer of 1629! Now Pelsart began interrogations immediately and one of Euronymous' top men, perhaps tired of the whole goddamn affair, he quickly confessed to the murders of 20 people committed on the orders of Uronimus Cornelius. We were bored. He then laid out the entire conspiracy, starting with the original mutiny plot that began three months earlier on the Cape of Good Hope, continuing with Uronimus's brutal reign, and ending with the attempted capture of the rescue ship.
Starting point is 01:00:27 Now once Euronymous was brought before upper merchant Pelsart, still covered in the blood and feathers of dead birds, he tried blaming everything on the men who'd already been executed by the defenders on the mudflats a month earlier, who were too dead to say otherwise. Have you ever tried to stay popular? I know how difficult that is. earlier, who were too dead to say otherwise. They were the ones, Uronimus said, who had wanted to murder the survivors. This whole thing was just one big misunderstanding, because all Uronimus had ever wanted was to maintain the peace and save as many survivors as he could from these terrible soldiers and sailors, and he'd
Starting point is 01:01:10 never had any plot to seize the Batavia nor any other ship. Pelsart was understandably overwhelmed with information here, so he put Euronymous in the brig and sailed to Batavia's graveyard the day after his arrival to arrest any remaining scoundrels and save whoever was still in the thrall of the mutineers. Pelsart was of course prepared for a fight, but once the mutineers saw a boat of fully equipped soldiers sailing towards them, the defenders with new gear, they all surrendered and were arrested, then bound on the spot. In searching the island for VOC valuables and gilders, Pelsart found the written oaths
Starting point is 01:01:46 the mutineers had sworn to Euronymous, but that was only part of the evidence. Euronymous had also kept extensive journals, which were soon cross-referenced with the accounts of survivors and the confessions of the mutineers. That's why this story, which I'm thankful for in one way, is that I'm so, I hate, I am so sick of when stories become a debunking. Yeah. Because you're like, ah, well, we went through all this and then it's not real. And now we'll actually know that all of the things that we talked about on this island
Starting point is 01:02:18 definitely happened. Yeah. Because Uronimus detailed it. Well, not just Uronimus, but many people detailed it. A lot of people, like the minister actually wrote a book, an entire book after being rescued from the island that detailed like everything. So there's a ton, a ton of firsthand accounts, primary sources on this.
Starting point is 01:02:36 I feel like no man should ever have a diary. I have a diary. It just gets you in trouble. Fill it with lies. Well, I certainly don't fill it with incriminating information. My huge cock hurts from fucking today. I'll hold that one day, my wife, my wife, Christy Canyons. What's her name?
Starting point is 01:03:00 No, you got it. Now as I said earlier, Pelsart's ultimate mission here was not the rescue of the survivors. This was primarily a recovery mission. So while Pelsart sussed out the crimes of Euronymous Cornelius and his men, he ordered the divers he'd brought with him to begin scouring the Batavia shipwreck to salvage whatever they could, an operation that was set to take months. But I suppose thankfully, as far as entertainment went, the months of recovery gave Pelsart plenty of time to form a council that would be in charge of punishing the mutineers right
Starting point is 01:03:34 there on the island, with full criminal trials and executions backed by the authority of the VOC, which again was a private company. Ironically though, one of the men on the council was himself a mutineer and a murderer. Pelsart's former clerk, the man who'd killed the baby on Euronymous' order, the one with the tiny little noose. He was the only person available who could read or write, so he made recordings of the proceedings and signed judgments of his former comrades. We need more beach side courts. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Why is that? Volleyball courts. You know, like, yeah. And have a judge on them, though. Yeah. And be able to have, like... Well, they have referees in the high chair. Volleyball traffic court.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Ooh. Right? Where you versus a lawyer in volleyball, like, and then if you beat the lawyer in volleyball, you get off. MTV spring break justice. I feel like in the private prison industry which is huge right now. Yeah, yeah. We can get it in the ground floor with that with a nice, let's just call it a
Starting point is 01:04:38 captive resort. That's all it is. It's a full, all-inclusive. Yeah, it's right off the coast of Cuba. Cuba right there. It's my favorite. It's a full, it's all inclusive. Yeah, it's right off the coast of Cuba. Yeah, right there. It's my favorite. There's an island available that we can get. Can I have a quick stupid ore type question? So the divers are every day, they're going down, they're trying to get the gold, right? Trying to find it, trying to recover it. Yeah. How, what's the diving equipment like in the 16th? Yeah, right? That's it.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they have like a hose I don't know actually at this 1629. Oh, sorry Undercover time. Oh my yeah, we don't need to get into Doing it I imagine they held their breath yeah, probably but they might there might have been hoses They might have been something like that. Yeah, the diving suit wasn't there till the 1860. Okay. Yeah Open diving dress. It's really they're just really good swimmers. Okay. Oh, they had a diving bell Oh, yeah, a diving bell. Oh yeah, the diving bell. And butterflies as well. Yes, they would put you down to the water and they would, you go through a thing and
Starting point is 01:05:52 I guess it was like a... Oh, because it has like air in it. Yes, in it. That's kind of fun. Now, the proceedings were held in accordance with Dutch law, which stated that a man could only be condemned to death if he freely confessed. The loophole was that confession under torture still counted as freely confessed, so if a mutineer resisted questioning on the island, he was tortured until he admitted to murder.
Starting point is 01:06:17 Euronymous, however, held out for a surprisingly long period of time, and only broke under the dreaded water torture, which is far worse than it sounds. If Euronymous went through what most people went through with water torture, he was stripped naked and tied up spread eagle to an upright wooden frame, where his captors tied a canvas collar around his neck that reached up to his eyes, something like a doggy cone. Once the interrogation started, his captors poured water over his head, which trickled down the collar and formed a pool of water at the bottom. If a question wasn't answered, or if his captor didn't like his answer,
Starting point is 01:07:02 they poured more water into the cone until it overtook Uronimus' mouth and nose. The only way to breathe, therefore, was to drink the water. So Euronymous alternated between gasping for air and gulping down liquid until he passed out, hideously bloated. Once unconscious, Euronymous was cut down and forced to vomit so the torture could begin again. After going through that cycle three or four times, Euronymous' body was swollen to two or three times its original size.
Starting point is 01:07:47 His cheeks would have looked like balloons, and his eyes would have swollen out past his forehead. And he would slowly have slid into modern Marlon Brando. Yeah. You're just like... Yeah. But even as horrible as this is, it still took several days of water torture before
Starting point is 01:08:05 Uronimus confessed to both the mutiny plot and ordering the murders, although he continued blaming others for his crimes. It was only after the- and I don't know why I find this funny, but they brought in all the confessed mutineers one by one to confront him. And that's when Uronimus finally admitted to ordering the murders of three dozen people of his own free will. You're mean! And you made us do mean things! Just cause we were bored, we should've done bad things.
Starting point is 01:08:31 So you should feel guilty for that. I'm gonna go to have sex with my hands. Hahaha! Euronymous then signed a confession, entrapping all the mutineers at once. And with that, it was time for sentencing Yeah for leading the mutiny and turning Batavia's graveyard into a slaughterhouse Your onimus cornelis was given the maximum penalty under Dutch law He would be hanged of course, but the Dutch added the extra indignity of cutting off the condemned hands first
Starting point is 01:09:03 Not also in it. No, it's just a very blown away. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Yeah. It is crazy. Can you imagine fucking being able to be a manager at fucking Borders and get to fucking hat somebody's hands off?
Starting point is 01:09:15 It's awesome. Yeah, it's like how do you kill someone worse and then they figured it out. Yeah, it's human ingenuity. I find it interesting that the first place you went to was Borders, manager at Borders borders which was a job that you once Held oh yes, I always think about the manager. I had that used to wear knee pads and used to have he had many many pewter rings and he was a
Starting point is 01:09:38 Swinger and he used to talk all about the time of being like you should check out my fuckpad Like he was like that style of guy like a 50 year old dude was talking about his fuckpad Yeah, and he was the guy that told me that if anybody tries to walk out of here with a book I need you personally to chase him down in the parking lot and get that book back And I remember just being like no absolutely not absolutely not I'm 18. Yeah, so no one's gonna steal your stupid book Absolutely not. I'm 18. Yeah. So no one's going to steal your stupid book. It's a fucking book. Also, it's Florida state. Let them steal the books. They should be reading. They can read the books. It's okay. Is this, is this information they need? And also they're asking
Starting point is 01:10:16 you of all people at 18 years old to chase down. I was a unit. I can be pretty fast, you know, as long as they're 10 feet away. They were. I was a unit As long as they're ten feet away Well also in accordance with Dutch law all of your onimus cornelis is worldly goods and possessions Including anything owned by his wife were to be given to the VOC because it was deemed that the Corporation had been the one most harmed by your onimus's actions, and I about them a lot yeah I think I'm like 9-eleven I think about those investment companies that didn't get to move on I think about the I think about the various private military companies that were inside of that building and
Starting point is 01:11:04 how they were doing work with our enemies And I miss them. I miss the restaurant on the top floor. Yeah Fuckin I think was called spinnies Now four more mutineers were given the same sentence as Uronimus while five others including cabin boy Jan pilgrim were allowed to be hanged without having their hands chopped off first. Gee, thanks! Honestly, I wish I could! Come on, it'd be kinda fun, right?
Starting point is 01:11:30 I wanna see what stops! Could you please chop off his fucking hands? Come on, I want to see what it's like, what my inside of my arms looks like, give to me! He wants it! We gotta just hang him normal! He won't shut up until you do what he asks you to do. Give me what I want, I want to see my bones.
Starting point is 01:11:49 I'm straight fucked up, man. Fourteen more mutineers would be taken to Java for further interrogation and punishment. While the rest of the men who'd signed loyalty oaths to Euronymous just to survive, they were freed until it was proven that they had done something to deserve punishment. Really, the only person who came out of the wreck of the Batavia on top was Viva Hyas. Pelsar raised his rank to sergeant, placed him in charge of the soldiers, and doubled his pay. He fucking did his job. He fucking deserves it. Yeah, all the defenders actually got raises.
Starting point is 01:12:18 Now wouldn't the murder be going backwards again? I'm sorry. Sure. Chopping off the hands. Well, you know, we're going to get to backwards again. I'm sorry. Sure chop enough the hands Well, you know, we're gonna get to it again Okay, but then it good wouldn't it be better to not hang them and just let them bleed out on the beach No, that's too relaxing. You think so? Yeah. Yeah, you think cuz that's just kind of you're just kind of going to sleep What do you slap him to death? They wrap them up, yeah, okay. All right. Yeah, we'll getuterize though, they wrap them up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Okay, alright. Yeah, we'll get into it. Now the executions were set to take place on Seals Island. Err, err, err! I wanna see! They killed all my family! Seals Island is actually very nice. Seals Island is extremely nice.
Starting point is 01:12:54 You just don't go to Heidi Klum's island because she will tear you to fucking shreds. Well this is of course where Euronymous had ordered the massacre of well over a dozen people just a few months previous. The condemned were therefore held in makeshift jail cells on the island until the execution date. But Euronymous decided that he was going to take himself out before the VOC had a chance to. He somehow convinced someone to bring him items from his apothecary kit, which he used
Starting point is 01:13:23 to concoct a poison to kill himself. But again, Euronymous was a shitty apothecary. And just like the botched murder of the baby months before, Euronymous only succeeded in making his last hours on Earth a living hell of writhing stomach pain. I should have went to school. Isn't that sad? Isn't that the ultimate irony that he just tortured himself to? He's such a fucking pathetic idiot. He is. He was rough too.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Also, if he was just kind and went to the high island, everyone would have just ate. He deserves the fuck out of this. He deserves every said that I thought about cutting that from the story, but I thought like nah Hilariously he's such a bad apothecary Bad villains there are literally bad at being villains they cause a lot of damage Yeah, but what's really nice is sometimes they also fucking collide with those consequences so hard. It's really Satisfying. I'd say almost a hundred percent of the time like much of the time that they do collide with the consequences The consequences come in hard and fast, but yes, you're right
Starting point is 01:14:35 The problem is all of the damage they do before that. Yes, try and hang me and cut my hands off I'll show you You! Oh my belly hurts! Oh my god! It's like when I order too much sushi No you're like Ohhhh Or the time you got that weird ass egg pizza in Italy And then you were just going like
Starting point is 01:15:00 Carbonara pizza! Not weird thing! It sounds fucking delicious And a bunch of warm, luca, lukewarm eggs I thought that's how Italians eat it! Carbonara pizza not weird thing. It sounds fucking delicious Well, once the gallows were constructed on seals Island, the condemned were executed on October 1st with the Eronymous going first after his hands were chopped off with an ax by the executioner. Tourniquets were tied around his wrist to ensure he was conscious for his ultimate death. Because it hurts having your hands chopped off. Euronymous was then walked up the gallows ladder to meet his doom with the minister
Starting point is 01:15:54 at his side, the very minister whose family Euronymous had ordered to be slaughtered. Doing his job, the minister asked Euronymous if he wanted to confess his sins. Euronymous however, ever the heretic, refused. You motherfuckers are gonna have to buy the DLC for that shit! Now in those days, Dutch gallows involved a short rope tied to a horizontal beam. The prisoner was walked up a ladder and the noose was wrapped around his neck. Then it was the executioner's job to thrust a knee into the small of the prisoners back, launching him to his death.
Starting point is 01:16:26 This is my death knee. This is the knee I hurt playing skip rope when I was nine. So this knee can't do the killing, but this one does the killing each time. The worst part is when the rain comes, because then my killing knee kills me. This is my killing knee. This is the knee I used to bounce my granddaughter. No! Bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce.
Starting point is 01:16:48 Oh no, she bounced off and died! Now they're both killing knees! My killing knees! My killing knees! If the condemned was lucky, his neck would snap instantly, but that was a rare occurrence. Most slowly strangled to death over twenty agonizing minutes, and indeed, Euronymous Cornelius entertained the crowd with his convulsive kicks for quite a while before the evil bastard finally left this earth.
Starting point is 01:17:16 You know, I was bored all this whole time. Until today. This is, by far, the most entertaining time on the island. I call his hat. I'll kill ya! I'll kill ya for life! Why haven't we been hanging people this whole time? I don't know! Now many other mutineers did confess their sins to the minister and many pled for mercy, but only one mutineer was successful that day. The half-mad cabin boy, Jan Pelgrim, wept and wailed and begged for grace.
Starting point is 01:17:51 So Pelsart took pity and spared the boy's life because he technically didn't kill anyone despite his best efforts. I wanted to kill, and I wished I could kill, and god damn it, you won't take the chance from me. I will grow and I will kill as an adult no matter what I do Mr. Palsart because that's my dream, that's my passion. Instead of execution, Palsart exiled Jan Pelgrim to Western Australia, making Jan the ineffectually murderous cabin boy, and this is absolutely true One of the first two white men to settle Australia The other man cursed to survive the wilds of Australia with Jan, was the same guy who
Starting point is 01:19:08 took over for Euronymous after his capture by the defenders, Voodoo Loosh. Despite the fact that he'd been the one who bashed in the minister's wife's head during the massacre of her family, Vowder also earned exile. This put Yann and Vowder 160 years ahead of the first British convicts who eventually settled Australia. Unfortunately, though, we have absolutely no idea what happened after this odd couple was dropped off on the coast with nothing more than supplies and a couple barrels of water I just see this like cut to them like 20 years later
Starting point is 01:19:51 She comes out with you know like you got the yawn He comes out with his oven made out of seashells, and he's baked a cake for his birthday Comes out and vowder is sitting there like they're married now You don't mean like she's dressed he's dressed in a full dress wig made out of seaweed I'm so glad we got married 20 years ago when I was frozen in the form of this boy I'm so glad we've had the time to take care of each other and enjoy yourself here in the wonderful island of Australia. Quick another jerk off contest. I didn't know this magical land arrested everyone in boyhood. I mean that is the movie that should be made about this. Oh yeah. No, the Batavia movie begins with these two getting dropped off. Yeah. Now, no records exist as to what was done with the bodies of the executed men, but the
Starting point is 01:20:56 tradition in the Netherlands was to leave the bodies of executed prisoners on display as a warning to others. So it was likely that these nine men were left on the gallows as food for the mutton birds. It's actually almost certain that the bodies were just left there, because subsequent voyages to the islands, even 10, 20, 30 years later, noted a sudden spurt in plant growth, which was likely due to the fertilizer the corpses provided. So it finally became like a fruitful island. Yeah, a little bit.
Starting point is 01:21:32 It just took the bodies of colonizers. Yeah, that's really nice. Made your heels. But those men would not be the last to die because of the Batavia. See Pelsart was eventually able to recover almost everything of value from the shipwreck, including 6 out of the 7 VOC money chests, most of Pelsart's personal valuables, and all but 2 of the treasure chests. But as we said, Pelsart was trying to make the best impression he possibly could on the
Starting point is 01:21:59 VOC, so he was dead set on recovering every possible piece of merchandise so he could bring it back to his bosses to show what a good boy he was. So he ordered five men to try and recover a barrel of vinegar from the treacherous coral reef, but during the recovery a storm swept in. This was expected. The weather had been bad for almost the entirety of the recovery operation, but because of Pelsart's need to please his corporate masters, the five men on the recovery boat were swept out to sea. They disappeared
Starting point is 01:22:30 on the open ocean and likely died terrifying deaths by thirst or drowning all in the service of recovering a goddamn condiment. Hey, don't you like salads? I do love vinegar. Vinegar is one of my favorite things on earth. Not the deaths of five men you're the white men that did this Vinegar loving people yeah a my vinegar loving people that everyone loves vinegar They do is honestly it's actually a secret ingredient in a lot of restaurants That you don't actually understand many of your favorite sauces especially the five mother sauces of French cuisine I'm almost finished with a splash of vinegar and other different things Vinegar helps quite a bit. It adds a needed hit of acid to most foods Indian foods full of vinegar
Starting point is 01:23:11 Oh, yeah, it's full of vinegar and you can clean the floor with it. Yeah, you could fucking drink it It's a magical liquid. Yeah, you could spit it in your fucking Boss's asshole. Yeah Are you asking you can spit anything in your boss's asshole. Anything. But I will- but isn't vinegar- That's battery acid. I will say though, vinegar wasn't just a condiment. Vinegar had many purposes. No, I know.
Starting point is 01:23:36 It was useful. It's why it went after it, because they would pickle all the stuff. But it was- it wasn't really that useful. Well, it was- Well, I mean mean but five men dead They just killed a bunch of children's men were expendable back in the day. These are good men. They're fine guys. They're sailors We don't know their whole story. Yeah No, you never know this is like the historical equivalent of like not knowing whether or not you should say you really like a video Because you haven't checked out the person's twitter yet.
Starting point is 01:24:06 The geese always say I won't vouch for the rest of their content. But this is good. Yes. Well finally, after making sure he recovered as much loot as possible, Pelsart ordered the sardom to leave the islands on November 15th, two months after he returned and almost six months after the Batavia shipwrecked. Out of the 270 people who'd been left behind by upper merchant Pelsart, only 77 remained alive, but most of the survivors were Viva's defenders.
Starting point is 01:24:37 The rest were a part of the 133 people who'd remained on Batavia's graveyard after Euronymous sent his competition away. Out of those 133, only 32 people from Batavia's graveyard were still alive, and that included the 14 mutineers that were taken back to Java for further questioning and torture. Worst of all was that out of all the children who'd set sail on the Batavia, only one had survived to their ultimate destination and that kid Don't even start talking with him. He is fucking sad as hell It's a big bummer my biggest bummer eight-year-old I've ever met in my life
Starting point is 01:25:22 Fully entirely trauma so I they call him Shivering Johnny. Shivering Johnny of Batavia. You ever thought of making your diorama a little happier? Put a little sun in there, maybe some flowers? Pidge always just dead babies in the, on the coast. Like that's all he does. But you know what is nice about him is that no matter what, if you have a drink to mix, you just put it in his hands. Now I'm sure that upper merchant Pelsar was dreading the return to Java to fully report
Starting point is 01:25:49 on all the atrocities that had occurred on his watch to governor Yanns Kuhn. Cause man, that's the thing at the end, on top of everything else, he has to come back and be like, Oh yeah, no, I created a full nightmare world. They did. They created a rape market I didn't know that they were gonna do that. Yeah, like I didn't leave them with those instructions Yeah, does Kuhn care about that though? Well, that's the thing unbeknownst to Pelsart You didn't have to worry about Kuhn anymore
Starting point is 01:26:16 Just after the sardom set sail from Java to recover the merchandise on the Batavia Jan Kuhn collapsed and died at the age of 42 after a history of heart issues and a bout of dysentery. And that's the thing. And people say that about the patriarchy and how it's bad for all of us, which is true, you know, like why are men in charge of everything and why do they own everything? But on some level, don't you think it's super stressful? Because think about it.
Starting point is 01:26:40 To be a genocidal maniac does it, where's on your heart? He was under so much pressure. It's just like, you know, what are you going to do? Of course he went. Yeah, to be a genocidal maniac does it wears on your heart. He was under so much pressure You know, what are you gonna do? Of course he went I wish he had found a way to find some self-care time for himself Yeah, so who is the next guy nicer than Koon never? They can't physically be you have to be able to you have to be able to say to yourself We really need to burn down the entire village in order to keep it. Yeah, and I think Yong-Kun, he was certainly more concerned with merchandise. He was certainly more concerned with cash. But there were passengers on that ship, which was a part of the VOC business, and very few of those survived.
Starting point is 01:27:20 Oh yes. Very, very few. 18! Was it? few of those survived. Very, very few. Uh, was it crazy? Uh, Yon's doctor, uh, the woman that was the, she had one of the saddest stories actually. Uh, she, uh, remember she was the one who was attacked, uh, by the feces and tar beautiful, super beautiful woman. She was the one who was staying with your on him. Yeah. No, yeah. Yes. Yes. She was forced to stay with your on him. Yes. Uh, once she got She found out that she was there to meet her husband because all of her kids had died back in the Netherlands
Starting point is 01:27:49 When she arrived in Batavia, she found out that her husband had died the previous June. Yeah Just dies so easily. Yeah, yeah, dude, but it was very dangerous She remarried moved back to Amsterdam and lived until the age of like 70. See that's what a wonderful third act That's what I tell Natalie all the time. Listen, I'm going to die while you're in your fucking 60s. You'll go get to go be an incredible lesbian. You get to have so much fun. Mm hmm.
Starting point is 01:28:14 It's nice. That's very nice. Yeah. Women get to have that. Yeah. Because husbands die early. That is true. I hope so.
Starting point is 01:28:22 Yeah. Well, John Cohen's replacement was no less brutal to the mutineers brought back from the shipwreck than Yon Koon might have been. Out of the 14 brought back, five were hanged, eight were flogged, and stonecutter Peteres, said to be just as bad as Euronymous Cornelis, he was broken on the wheel. And you can hear all about that particularly brutal method of execution if you listen to our recent episode on the Saints. Yeah, that's a wild one. Yeah. But the difference between stone cutters breaking and what occurred in Europe was that while stone cutter was waiting to die from internal hemorrhaging is all his limbs were broken and wrapped around the spokes
Starting point is 01:28:55 of the wheel until his feet were touching the back of his head. He had to contend with the bugs. Great garage rock group. They were from Minneapolis. Like really solid. Yeah. I'm going to break that down. I'm making it up. I was excited. I literally opened Spotify. Check out the check out the hangman. You'll love the hangman. That's new. And which is amazing. Yeah. Also I love poison Ryan. Well as back to stonecutter as stonecutter baked in the Southeast Asian Sun flies and mosquitoes quickly covered his body Filling his mouth and swarming his eyeballs until he finally died a deservedly painful death as the last Mutineer from the Batavia to be executed crime don't pay Yeah mutineer from the Batavia to be executed. Crime don't pay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:45 Now as far as everyone else in this story went, very few lived a happy ending. While Viva Hyas and all his defenders were promoted with raises, Upper Merchant Pelsart was found to be wanting by the VOC, who deemed his work unimpressive. The gentlemen 17 never gave him another command, although they really didn't have much of a chance to. 11 months after the execution of the Aeronomus Cornelis, Francisco Pelsart caught a fever and died at the age of 35. Yeah! He's only 35? This whole time? This whole time he's 35! No wonder they all killed each other. They're all young idiots.
Starting point is 01:30:22 Well, we're not that young, he'd get old 35 at the time was pretty old Yeah I mean the oldest man on the ship was Captain Jacobs and he was in his like early to mid 40s Like he was far closer to our age than anybody else died younger than me right now. Yeah, yeah again stress Yeah, but even though the VOC had not given Pelsart a command his death robbed them of contractually obligated Pelsart a command his death robbed them of contractually obligated Profits so the gentleman 17 had all of Pelsart's worth confiscated and absorbed into the VOC. Well, that's not true It's not all of it. They left a small fraction to his mother, but they took I would say like 90% of his earnings
Starting point is 01:31:02 Everything. Yeah. Well, that's what he gets. I mean, he's fucking it all up. Yeah, well, that's what he gets for signing on with a fucking VOC. Yeah, it could have gotten his hands chopped off and hung. Yep, he could have. He just died of a fever just like most of the rest of the people on Java. Well concerning Pelsart's nemesis, Captain Ariana Jacobs, records show that he was still in the dungeons of Castle Batavia in 1631, years after the other mutineers were executed. No further records exist, however,
Starting point is 01:31:28 so it's likely that Captain Yakovs died in those same dungeons, having thrown his life away for a dandy from a rich family who'd sold him a fantasy of freedom. But he got a reality, a four wall. Yeah. But there is, of course,
Starting point is 01:31:43 the matter of what happened to the VOC, the most powerful corporation in the world for nearly 200 years, and only the second of its kind to exist. Yeah, I miss them. What happened to them? Well, like most organizations built on the brutal exploitation of its workers and the idea of profit at all costs, corruption began to eat the VOC from the inside out by the 18th century. See, the company had always had a corruption problem,
Starting point is 01:32:07 but when the VOC faced a serious shortage of capital in the 1750s, the Gentleman 17 dramatically lowered salaries across the board regardless of rank. To compensate, the VOC simply changed their definition of what corruption was, to permit agents to trade goods under the VOC's flag. Because it's not corruption if it's laws. Yes, it's not corruption if it's laws, and if you just start calling it something else, you don't have to worry about it anymore. Yeah. In other words, they went with full free market capitalism with no rules or regulations,
Starting point is 01:32:39 which always, 100% of the time, results in even more corruption and eventual collapse. But not this time, Marcus! Yeah, this time's gonna be different! You're gonna do it good, Marcus. I'm gonna be buying McDonald's on Saturn. Hahaha! But besides the practices of their employees, the VOC was also having a problem hiring and keeping employees. Yeah, you could see the turnover rate would be high. Well throughout it's almost 200 years of operation roughly
Starting point is 01:33:08 4,000 VOC employees died every single year both directly and indirectly Due to VOC policy. I just fucking know a wild number. Yes 4,000 like we lost 4,000 employees No to the angel of death That tended to discourage recruitment as Europe moved more into the modern age and human life became a little less disposable Yeah, man, cuz now it's very sacred. Yeah. No, well, it's a little more sacred now than it was in 1750. That's true.
Starting point is 01:33:46 Yeah. Now there were half a dozen other reasons that contributed to the VOC's downfall, but what finally killed the VOC was a war between the Dutch and the English, in which the VOC lost tens of millions of dollars in guilders because the British Navy finally caught up. The VOC's charter was therefore allowed to expire on December 31, 1799, and with that, the VOC died just as the 19th century was born, having gone down in history as one of the most evil, callous, and exploitative corporations to ever exist. But I want to first say, thanks for the nutmeg.
Starting point is 01:34:20 I also like pepper, and I've really come to enjoy When you a hint of star anise. Yeah, I enjoyed the smell of cloves. Yes. So yeah, like that's great We just need to kill a bunch of people so I can enjoy a smell I mean, that's really all I ask for is that I really only like potpourri if it's filled with the blood and guts of children But the clove oil helps with the anal sex. I know, but I just don't use it enough for me to think it. Now, I've been thinking a lot about why none of us have ever heard of the Batavia until a listener brought it to our attention. Why such a fantastic story has been all but lost to time.
Starting point is 01:35:01 In comparing it to other survival and disaster stories, my first thought was that the Batavia hasn't survived because it doesn't have any meaning, unlike, say, the stories behind the Uruguayan rugby team, the Donner Party, or even the Titanic. If you look at it simply, the Batavia could be seen as nothing more than a brutal story about a shipwreck that resulted in one man turning the lives of the survivors into a serial killer's playground. But as I thought about it a little more, I realized that the lives of the survivors into a serial killer's playground. But as I thought about it a little more, I realized that the reason why the Batavia story hasn't survived is because it has too much meaning. As the story of the Batavia is, at its essence, the story of what happens when the ugliest
Starting point is 01:35:38 and most uncomfortable parts of humanity are allowed to run wild. See, the VOC doesn't just represent simple corporate greed. It's a company that knowingly and callously sacrificed the lives of 4,000 employees a year and killed who knows how many of the people it enslaved. And it looked at their deaths as not just acceptable losses, but essential parts of their business model. Likewise, the mutineers don't just represent human cruelty. Their actions show just how quickly men can turn into monsters willing to crush a child's
Starting point is 01:36:08 skull on someone else's say-so with all the emotion of stomping on a cockroach, and they show just how easily other men will join in if only to save themselves. Furthermore, the lessons from the Batavia are difficult to absorb considering how companies like the VOC effectively created the modern world. It's been proven time and again that unrestrained capitalism inevitably leads to foul exploitation, and it's a system in which every single one of us participates. I'm wearing pants of meaty all from Halliburton Always like a lot of my clothes. I love packages It's also difficult to accept that men like the gentleman 17 are more in charge now than they've ever been and it's hard to see How that's ever gonna change especially when it feels like we're in the final stage of a plan that was hatched hundreds of years ago
Starting point is 01:36:58 And especially when many of our fellow citizens are welcoming subjugation But we cannot despair and we cannot lose hope. For every Uronimus Cornelius leading a horde of psychopaths, there's a Viva Haze who sees right through his bullshit, and defenders who are willing to back him up. Every organization throughout history that's built on backstabbing, exploitation, and profit above all inevitably topples and falls, And things happen far faster in today's world than they did in the 17th century. And while the corporations of the world
Starting point is 01:37:29 seem like impossible monoliths that hold all the power, the one thing they can never take from you is who you are, just so long as you stay fucking strong. They can try to manipulate you. They can try to tell you what to think. They can try to cram AI down your throat and convince you that's what you want, but you don't have to let them. As I said, it's not the fucking 17th century anymore.
Starting point is 01:37:48 This is 2025, and I think it's high time we started looking at that as a good thing. People are smarter, healthier, and stronger, even though that's hard to see sometimes. And we're also far more numerous than we've ever been. For every one of the bastards in charge of this world, there are millions of us, and if we all stick together, it is possible, however slim the chance might be, that we can stop the Musk's and the Bezos's and the Zuckerberg's from bringing the dark days of the VOC back into our daily lives. Even though the meaning of the Batavia is about as ugly as it gets, we can still take inspiration from the horror, absorb it as an example of what the world could look like if we don't fight back.
Starting point is 01:38:28 And we can use that inspiration to resist the motherfuckers in charge in whatever way we can until the day we die! Woo! Yeah, my brother! Yeah! That's why I wanted to do this fucking story. Hell yeah, man. I was so excited to do this story. It really, it's true. I think you hit it right on the fucking money, dude, because this is The only thing that we can do Truly that will always work is gum up the works. Yep. Yeah, I'll say that I definitely as a podcast producer
Starting point is 01:38:58 I'm always in charge of a general strike And you've come up my works all the time. Yeah, literally with your gum. My job. Just know that a part of what we're going to have to do as we roll through this next couple of years is obstruct as much as possible, which we can do. Do whatever you can do. Find out what you can do and fucking do it.
Starting point is 01:39:23 And I also, you know, it's a, it's a common expression, but I think it rings true more more now than ever It's just don't let the fucking bastards get you down. That's what they want I want to take it from you They want to take your day to day from trying to break your spirit and you know, every time you let them they're winning So just fucking ignore it and fight forward try to yeah If you need to fall apart ever once more fall apart But pick yourself back up amen get your fucking shit together But now the batavia the comedy of the batavia is
Starting point is 01:39:52 Told we're so excited because next week we're moving on into another big project that I am Personally very excited is another multi-parter. It is another multi-parter. I'm extremely Excited because we're going to modern times. Yeah. And we're going to see some of these lessons are going to pop up again in this next story, but I cannot wait because we're going to meet my favorite Idaho 10. Man. Also, I just want to say I'm coming to Florida. All right. I might as well be on the Batavia with this fucking tour, but invasive species. I'm torn Florida. I'm going for a week in March and a week in May and March from March 20th to the 23rd. I'll be in Jacksonville,
Starting point is 01:40:36 Panama city and Tallahassee, Florida, the Tallahassee show I'm doing with Danny Medrosian of great funk. He's going to play the keyboard with me. Did you hear about this too? I did not know Eddie accidentally booked himself in the same venue that murder fist started. No shit. So like the first place I ever did comedy, I'm coming back to the nine to six bar and grill, which formerly brothers, that's funny. That's funny. That's 20 year anniversary of our buddy Danny's first time playing in his band at that venue. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:41:08 The same exact venue. It's going to be a fucking hell of a show. I can't wait. So if you're in the Tallahassee area, go to that also in may from may six to the 11th, I'm going to be in Naples, Daniel Beach, Orlando and a whole three nights in Key West. But Daniel Beach in Orlando are going to be side story shows. So make sure you guys come out to that. It's gonna be a lot of fun tickets at Eddie tunes.com. Yeah. And I can't wait. I'm going to be with you when we are in Orlando and
Starting point is 01:41:33 Fort Lauderdale. We're going to have a fucking blast. I can't wait. This is gonna be great. It's gonna be really fun. And then we are going to be, we're coming to Dallas. If you're listening to this, it's going to be in one week on February 22nd We're gonna be out there and Grand Prairie my brother tells me the venue is built in the middle of a swamp Oh, yeah, no, no Dallas is very swampy Okay, once you're starting to get in the East Texas and once you start to get in the East Dallas is like the gateway to East Texas and that's when she starts getting real swampy and real racist fuck. Yeah We're gonna fix them
Starting point is 01:42:12 And I'm leaving the stone unturned yeah Having fun cuz don't beat Henry's the Ralph's he's gonna be there. Yeah, it would be cool I'm looking forward to coming back to Texas. It's been a while since I've been back So yeah, I got looking forward to come back home. Can't wait to try the pizza. Yeah. Just keep your egg. If you keep your expectations at the appropriate level, you'll be fine. I know exactly where we're going. They already know. I already know where we're going to eat. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You barbecue. Yeah, buddy. Fuck. Yeah. I'm going to get so fucking sick. I really want to get sick and fat. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, if you want to give money directly to us and
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Starting point is 01:43:36 Oh, yeah, come on out to Dallas. It's gonna be fun. I got a shitload of family coming. Yeah, that's gonna be awesome I can't wait to fucking meet the rest of your family. You'll you'll meet them. Yeah Bunch hell sweet safe. Hell gee hell Marcus Parks putting this big fucker together Thank you. And I'll also say hail Joel and Shaw our research assistants who absolutely fucking crushed it on this series and it could of course I could not have done it without them. So thank you, but also hail them. I'm gonna say this is my favorite series Truly love this one wait till next week because it's kind of very excited for this next coming. This one's coming about Bang bang

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