Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 616: The Montauk Project Part II - Livin' in the Future

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

We have to go back… Strap in because this week the boys are heading back into the ole’ time tunnel for the mind-bending story of a body-swapping time-traveling psychic named Duncan Cameron, we learn the story behind The Beast of Montauk, and the grand conclusion to The Montauk Project. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last hot task. On the left. Why you bump your glade? That's when the cannibalism started. Who was that? Die, yeah. Get it.

What a day. My life is gonna be beautiful. You know, some people fancy a man from Morocco. And some people, they want a lady from gay Paris. But me, I'll take a little boy from Montauk Good enough for me Marcus barks I'm here with the croon and Henry Zabrowski channel in the spirit of old Dino. The old rat pack when I'm done with one, I throw them away and I go and scoop up another little boy from my good old long Island way. And Ed Larson. Hello, Ed. How are you doing? I'm sorry. I

don't have a Montauk boy song for you. It's fine. Do you want to try one? Okay. I was a man from Montauk. Big old Moncox. You don't want to hear from the men of the ones who's a man from Montauk who said he had a very large Moncox. Yeah. Yeah. He went to the base and get some ACE and now he's all over living in space. Yeah the cock We're here we're here for the conclusion the Montauk project So when we last left the Grand Epic that is the Montauk project electrical engineer Preston Nichols Ostensibly the most interesting person in history if you believe his stories, Preston had just helped with the construction of a psychic amplification

device called the Montauk chair. Built using reverse engineered alien technology, the Montauk chair was used in its infancy to manipulate the emotions of various kids kidnapped from around Long Island by the regalian gray aliens for use and experience. Those are the Montauk boys. Yes. And they would be experimented upon by being bombarded with radio waves, UHF waves and microwaves. It's always important to reheat your boy before getting around messing with them. The Montauk chair, also known as the crazy boy.

Oh, funny enough. Funny enough. Thank you. That is my whole thing. Yeah. Funny enough. Thank you. That is my whole thing. But as it went with many experiments in the Montauk project, the scientists working on the Montauk chair continually failed upward and they began to realize that the Montauk chair could be used for far more incredible purpose than just torturing kidnapped boys. Yeah, cuz I could torture a bunch of kidnapped boys in a regular chair. It's super easy. You get a hose, you give them pictures of their mother and tell them she's fucking dead. It's actually fun.

Using the aforementioned SAGE radar array, which is attuned to broadcast on the frequency that accesses human consciousness, the Montauk Project scientists figured out that if they could use the Montauk chair to break into the mind, they could also use it to broadcast the thoughts and feelings of the chair's user out into the world. Problem was though, couldn't just use any old Montauk boy for such an incredible task. To truly unlock the potential of the Montauk Chair, the Montauk Project needed a powerful psychic, someone whose abilities went far beyond that of your average Long Island boy. Well, the psychic they found, who eventually became one of the other Montauk Project whistleblowers right alongside scientist Preston Nichols, he was also the man who supposedly helped

unlock the time travel possibilities of the Montauk Chair. This incredibly unique creature was named Duncan Cameron. Yes, I've watched several long talks of Al Beelick, Preston Nichols, and Duncan Cameron talking. You know what I've now discovered? You know what I've realized who Duncan Cameron is to all of them? Who? He's their French Stewart.

He is a man that doesn't know that he is a... You know how goofy neighbors nowadays, they'd all be diagnosed with various syndromes? He's one of those. Gotcha. You know what? I don't get all the hate for French Stewart. I thought he was delightful. This is wonderful.

This is just a neutral comparison. Do people have hate for French Stewart? Yes. Really? Yes. I think he was delightful. This is just a neutral comparison. Do people have hate for French Yes, I think it's great. Yeah Very kind have an outdated understanding of the wacky best friend and they don't understand that that used to be super part of a super Important part of all comedy and French Stewart was great at that. But also that was the only thing he could do This is a bazooka based economy Great at that, but also that was the only thing he could do. This is a Bazinga-based economy. And that is what he was pinning him on.

I like the guy from the Drew Carey show. We all do. Yeah, he's got Ryan Styles. No, no, no, he was the normal one, the idiot. We're lost here now. We are absolutely fucked. This is the most confused of the event in the episode. We're about to try to figure out

who's in our body, who's the goofy dude. We're not talking about adults turning into babies. Now, Duncan Cameron's story is one of the most convoluted that I've heard in all my years of doing this show. And that's saying something before Duncan even took a seat in the Montauk chair, his journey involved body swapping, parallel lives, government experiments, and an unhealthy amount of time travel. What is a healthy amount? Once. I think if you do it once and you stay in that time, then it's done.

Then it's just a trip. Seems never is the best way. It's kind of like heroin. You can't just do it once. But like the Montauk project itself... I feel like we're going to get emails. It's like, I heroin. You can't just do it once. But like the Montauk project itself. I feel like we're going to get emails. Let's say I know of all the things that we cover. I feel like a lot of people's like I did one time. We smoked opium twice. You shouldn't

do it. Well, you did it twice. But it's not like I didn't know it was heroin. I thought it was a different type of weed. And so you shouldn't do heroin or opium once. You're right. Yeah. But I did and I'm awesome. You smoked it twice. I smoked it like 30 times. Handful.

A handful. Well more, 30's a handful? Well let's not do that. Oh my God. No, no, no, no, no. Let's not do it. But like the Montauk project itself, Duncan Cameron's involvement in this story

begins with the invisible battleship slash interdimensional time traveling snafu But like the Montauk project itself, Duncan Cameron's involvement in this story begins with the invisible battleship slash interdimensional time traveling snafu that we talked about in the first episode, the Philadelphia Experiment. Now to place you in the correct time frame, because time frames are extremely important in Duncan Cameron's story, the Philadelphia Experiment occurred in the year 1943, which placed Duncan's birthdate somewhere in the 1910s, although that, like many things in Duncan's story, is vague. Duncan Cameron also likes to dress like a small town choreographer. He dresses the most turtlenecks I've ever seen in Long Island,

and he wears a beret. He is, like I said, a very unique character. He really is. I think in the future we're going to see a lot of turtlenecks because so many people are getting neck tattoos. Yes, and they're getting upset. And they're getting a little loosey-goosey with these neck tattoos. And I think we're going to see an influx in turtlenecks, so invest now.

Hey, or, totally opposite, neck removal surgery. Whoa! Shit in the shoulder. That could be, Boulderhead could be the new sign of wealth. Now Duncan was not the only member of his family involved in the Philadelphia experiment or the Montauk Project, but Duncan did not begin his career in the world of high strangeness as a psychic. Psychic, of course, is the role that he played in the Montauk Project. Duncan Cameron actually began in the world of science with his brother, Ed Cameron.

Ed was also supposedly born in the early 20th century. Ed was also apparently the brains of the family, having supposedly earned his undergrad degree at Princeton and a PhD from Harvard. But while he was at Princeton in the early 1930s, Duncan Cameron's brother, Ed Cameron, he met Dr. John von Neumann, who you may remember from the last episode as the mathematician who headed up the antecedents to the Montauk Project, projects Rainbow and Phoenix. Yeah, that fucking dumbass mathematician doesn't fucking do stuff that matters, math's stupid. He's the one respectable person in this whole school. in Phoenix. As a fun pop culture side note, I did forget to mention last episode that the wheelchair-bound Dr. John von Neumann was partly the inspiration for the character of sense. Yeah, because he was one of those weird shady characters There was doing a bunch of weird government science, but he was Hungarian. He wasn't German

He wasn't a former Nazi, but his entire vibe was very dr. Strange love. It's like he wanted to be one He didn't want to be one It's not that he wanted to be one, he was one of those that like, liked the jackets. That if he could have gotten a hold of the... He was a Ralph Lauren fan? Yes. If he could have gotten the jackets and the cool hats. Hugo Boss. It's all the same.

No, it's not. Now, after Ed Cameron earned his PhD from Harvard in 1939, he was supposedly recruited by the Navy along with his brother Duncan, although the reasons behind Duncan Cameron's recruitment are again, very vague. It's because wherever he goes, I go. I'm his shadow, and you follow me and I follow you, my sweet, sweet, smart, smart brother.

And here, I'm the dramatic one! But before long, Dr. Von Neumann recruited both Ed and Duncan Cameron into Project Rainbow, which meant that the Cameron brothers were soon on assignment working in the bowels of the USS Eldridge as a part of the Philadelphia experiment. So we're in 1943 right now. Working deep inside the ship, the Cameron brothers were assigned to the control room. This is where the Tesla coils that created the electromagnetic fields that were supposed to make the USS Alger's

radar invisible were kept. But as we know, the experiment went terribly awry. Because Nikola Tesla purposely changed the shape of the coil so that they'd go the wrong way. Well, and that's the other thing too, is that Nikola Tesla was also dead for about eight months when the Philadelphia experiment. Not according to my research. He was doubled. He was doubled eight months. Yeah, that's it.

That's all you need. All right. But I don't know why there's a like, I think it has to be like 16 years. You can technically travel time travel two weeks October It is told in October Now because the Camerons were down in the bowels behind all those layers of steel and iron They were supposedly protected from the horrible side effects that occurred when the USS Eldridge jumped through time and space

side effects like finding your body fused to the ship's hull, or going insane for being exposed to the energies of another universe. But as we sit on the first episode, the Philadelphia experiment didn't end even after the disasters of the initial test, because after all, they hadn't reached their actual goal of radar invisibility. So, when the second test was conducted to give it another shot Duncan and Ed Cameron were once again on board. We just figured we were there for the first trip we might as well be there for the second isn't that right brother? Yeah it's not like we'll get

fused to the ship. Oh but hopefully brother maybe we can be fused penis to butt and finally I can forever be inside of you. I mean if we're not fused together we could butt, and finally I can forever be inside of you. I mean if we're not fused together we could do it over and over again. No that makes it gay. But if it's done by science, it's an experiment. Upcoming. Yes, I will agree that if there's friction back and forth then it is gay, but if it is just in there then it's fine.

Thank you Mr. Von Neumann. I mean Dr. Van Neumann. Because you didn't go to nine years of Neumann school to be Mr. Van Neumann. Teach me how to soak my brother. I'll fuck you inside your belly. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Everything was going just fine for the first five minutes, but when the ship vanished from sight once again, the Cameron brothers could tell that something wasn't right going off how the other crew members were being affected by the electromagnetic energies. I'm fucking shit! Come if you fucking...

I don't fuck! I'm coming out of my fucking belly button! My poop is cum, my shit! My cum is shit! Very good. Is there a problem? I talked to Ryan Coogler this week. Very good. In an attempt to reverse the damage, the Cameron brothers tried shutting down the generators

and the transmitters, but the effects weren't slowing down. Faced with seemingly no other choice choice the Cameron brothers finally decided to abandon ship to save themselves Come brother jump out of my lap Grab onto my back pockets. I told you don't call me come brother in public All right shit brother This Montauk chair is lumpy But when the Cameron brothers jumped over the side of the ship in the middle of the whole experiment They fell not into the icy waters of the Atlantic

But through a hyperspace tunnel in time that had been opened up They blacked out and awoke to find themselves in hospital beds recovering from radiation burns. Now at first they believed they were still in 1943, but they very quickly noticed that their rooms had relatively large color televisions, which were not commercially available in 1943. Pretty soon after the standard, what year is it freak out, Duncan and Ed were told that

they had accidentally traveled to the far flung year of 2137! I think part of what I am issue with is we still just got TVs, huh? Yeah! We still just got TVs, huh? Yeah Those got TVs that said yeah one hospitals and hospitals not run by robots I this is this whole thing's just so funny just like them all showing up at the hospital and then being like Yeah, you took a bit of a time-travel trip right here, but we're gonna have to do you unfortunately We're gonna have to do your space colonoscopy because you've actually passed the age for it. We're gonna have to do it. According to what Ed and Duncan Cameron learned, the United States had been utterly changed

by rising sea levels by the year 2137, and California in particular had been almost entirely swallowed by the sea. The Cameron brothers also had no idea of how they could return to the year 1943, but after four weeks of recovery, Ed and Duncan were wandering the hospital grounds when Ed suddenly disappeared. He had no idea how or why, but he soon found himself even further in the future when he landed in the year 2749! Boop boop boop boop boop boop!

And there's still TV! What the fuck? Huh! Ed decided he might as well make the most of it. So he made a life in the year 2749 as a tour guide, in I assume a museum of some sort, where he likely told his personal experiences of mid-20th century America throughout his two years living in the 28th century. Oh my god, you're so fucking cute.

Can you explain to me how refrigerators work? Miss, I only know chairs. Oh my god, your ignorance is so fucking hot. He's so from the year 1943 I'm gonna fucking my fake two pussies are starting to kiss. This is an air on chair That's a chair wooden chair. Excuse me. I have to put on my pleasure butthole All right. Well make sure that you get it on the chair That's a bed I don't know anything about that It's a screw up. That's a bet. I don't know anything about that.

According to Ed, the America of 2749 was a society of floating cities built with anti-gravity technology. I guess because all the water everywhere. And civilization was run by computers called wing makers. Good fake name. Yeah, it is a great fake name from my scant understanding based off what Henry told me during a zoom call with our researchers yesterday It seems like it was these computers that sent at home I think this takes place in the world where the Roko's basilisk thought exercise is happening where if there are Supercomputers that run our future they have then always existed and if they do have power of time travel then they can reach back and affect time in a way that makes sure and ensures that

they develop and that they come around and this is what they did all of the unknown moves are being made by the the absolutely inscrutable minds of these so-called wing makers and the first ones they approached of course going back in about the year 1971 was Paul McCartney that was where the first ones they approached, of course, going back in about the year 1971, was Paul McCartney. And that was where the first wings were ever made. I was a wingmaker for a long time. Oh yeah? Yeah.

Hooters. Oh, B-Dubs. Yeah, B-Dubs and Hooters. Yeah, yeah. Not the same though. No, no, no. No, would you put the men that were in that kitchen with you in charge of the universe? I mean, not in charge of the universe?

Supposedly Ed Cameron was able to stop off in 2137 to pick up Duncan right at the moment that he disappeared. But the brothers were not able to travel all the way that he disappeared. Brother! Ah! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Earth has natural 20 year time rhythms that act as anchor years for time travel. The anchor years for Duncan Cameron were 1943, 1963, and 1983. So it was only logical that Duncan and Ed would land in the nearest anchor year when they attempted to travel back to their origin point. If it's every 20 years, how did they end up in 2137? Because that one was different.

That one. Thank you. Seriously, that is seriously the answer. That is seriously the answer because that one was different. That one... Thank you. Seriously, that is seriously the answer. Because that one was different. That one was different and there is... It's good to know. Preston Nichols believes in this.

This is really all hinging on a lot of specific ideas in science and physics, I guess, which is the idea that time is a force. So part of what they say is according to Cameron's, according to Cameron and Preston Nichols, that they when you when cum touches egg, you are born you were crying time IP, a time space IP address is created for you alone, which is why you could travel back and forth across time without affecting the main timeline because it's just your

specific time-space timeline that you are carrying with you, but Some problems with the experimenting of the Montauk project can knock you off of your timeline and that's when you start floating places. Yeah, I Almost got that. Yeah, I think you'll see eventually once I'm done with you I think you'll see eventually once I'm done with you Now once Duncan and Ed arrived at Montauk Point in the year 1983 They were met by dr John von Neumann who had apparently faked his death from radiation exposure due to his work on the Manhattan project in 1957 and was still working on the Montauk project at the ripe old age of 80 and was still working on the Montauk project at the ripe old age of 80.

Now we're gonna get into how all the time travel stuff unfolded at the Montauk project later. But for the purposes of telling the story of Ed and Duncan Cameron first, let's just accept that time travel had already been going on at the Montauk project for a while by the time Ed and Duncan landed there in 1983. Okay. Dr. Von Neumann, of course, was very much involved in the time travel stuff. And as such, the good doctor told the Cameron brothers that he'd been waiting for them to return from their travels in time. But they still needed to go back to 1943 to turn off the generators so they could finally end the experiment on the USS Aldridge, which had been occurring this entire time.

The entire time. Time travel means that time technically is both real and not real because you can go back and forth. All the things are actually happening at once. Can I ask a time travel question? Of course. So while you're traveling through time, do you still age at the normal rate? Yes. Okay, so like if I go back in time, I'm still 43. Yes.

Alright. Go back in time. I'm still 43. Yes. Yeah. All right And then if you stay there for a long time, but time travel then forward can super age you after the fact But even though it's not aging me at all Yeah, because it's still just your time catches up to you and these guys went to 2700 big time. Okay, super long and it didn't age them. No yet. Okay. We'll see See it's all about after the fact cool. Well after getting some proper Yeah, you're humoring you're taking this like really high like you got your humoring dial all the way up. I'm here to learn So after getting some proper time travel training from Dr. John von Neumann The key is you need to overlap your feet so the time water doesn't smash your balls

Your hands across your chest and make sure to keep your hands and feet inside of the time tube at all times at all times including when you're time traveling. The Cameron brothers travel back to 1943 and turned off the generators on the USS Eldridge by smashing the transmitters and cutting any cables they could find so remember They so they time traveled the moment this happened they time traveled to 22 first It was like it was 21 37 then it was 2700 then it was back to 1983 then they go back to 2137 And then back to 1983 then they go back to 2137 and then back to 1983 And then I'm paying attention to the yes

And then back to the moment in which they first moved so they literally went through the time tunnel And then came back right behind where they were Into a time tunnel onto the USS Eldridge to stop the whole thing yeah, and then they did it they they destroyed everything and everything Was just back to normal Now I suppose Ed Cameron had his fill of time travel because he stayed in 1943 after the mission was completed but Duncan Cameron returned to the Montauk project in 1983 although it was suggested by author Peter Moon that Duncan had been programmed to return by evil Montauk project Scientists and how you knew this is accent change

I'm sorry yet. I've got to go back to the future. That's where I'm needed But here of course is where things start to get weird. Oh, see when Duncan returned at the year 1983, he found that he had been severed from the time stream and had therefore begun aging an entire year with every hour that passed. As a result, he soon found himself dying from the effects of extreme aging. Kind of like a As a result, he soon found himself dying from the effects of extreme aging. Extreme aging! Coo-coo! Pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 1951 they then convinced Duncan's father to have another son that very year as it was extremely important that he impregnate a woman before the year was out quick Assault a woman Boy, I hope I have enough soup after I assaulted that woman this morning

Plan you see it was to have Duncan's father birth a son in 1951 cuz that way the boy would be 12 years old in 1963, which if you'll remember, was one of Duncan's 20 year cycle time travel anchor years. And so Duncan's father followed the directive and got his wife pregnant in 1951. I'm fucking coming shit out of my dick. I'm fucking shooting cum on my butt. Some people cum normally, but not this guy. He just runs in the family.

And when the new Duncan turned 12 years old in 1963, the consciousness of the old Duncan, the one dying from time sickness, was transferred into the body of the new 12 year old Duncan. Yeah, so they had to kill that 12 year old, throw him in the trash. They don't say what happened to the consciousness of the 12 year old. They killed the boy! They had to kill the boy to make room for another boy. But no, they can't kill the boy because they need the body of the boy and the boys, they just push the consciousness out into the ether.

You wipe what makes the boy the boy and then you insert a new boy into what used to be the old boy and make a new boy. What is life? But that's all to say that this body swap is how Duncan Cameron was able to make the claim that he was one of the Scientists involved with the Philadelphia experiment which of course occurred eight years Before Duncan Cameron was actually born in the year 1951 Well, maybe they put the consciousness of this other boy into old deteriorating Duncan I think they told the other boy that his his personality was gonna be put in a nice field

And they're all like oh you saw me so you're like, oh, yeah, oh definitely and then just killed that boy Yeah, I actually never did get that yet. Think about that They probably did just switch the minds and they just doomed a 12 year old to die a horrible death Yeah in an old man's body cuz that consciousness exists. So it has to go somewhere. Yeah, so they are basically saying We killed a boy Montauk project really about killing and Making boys invisible. I know but the one of the boys though, is now saying that they killed the boy. Oh definitely.

Yeah. Well he felt very sorry about it. In his tour of the abandoned Montauk project, Duncan Cameron starts going, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. As long as he apologized. Stuff yeah, yeah. There's shelves, you should watch this tour,

it's two and a half hours long, and it's Preston Nichols going, and here are the shelves in which they put the Montauk boys. You could hear them screaming. And over here you could see the lockers where they held some of the boys. They were in there with padlocks. And over here you see some more lockers for the boys. It's all just like weird wooden structures.

Duncan, however, was not the only member of the Cameron family to go through the body swap process, and he was not the only one who was also directly involved in the Montauk project. Now remember that Duncan's brother, Ed Cameron, he supposedly stayed behind in 1943. At some point, Ed was made to forget everything that happened with the Philadelphia experiment and his time travel adventures to the year 2749, and he was soon after supposedly transferred to work on the Manhattan Project. Ed Cameron, however, bumped heads with one of the other scientists and was removed from the project that built the world's

first atomic bomb. Ed then started his own business building the first ion propulsion engine, but that project ran afoul of the interests of the United States government for one reason or another. So a black ops team disappeared Ed and the government sent Ed through a space portal to Alpha Centauri 1 by calling in a favor with one of the various alien races with whom they'd signed interstellar treaties. You know how that goes. Oh, yeah, you could tack one of the things on there. That's one of additionals on there and there are any attack that ends in late negotiations. Why do aliens? Believe in treaties. There's no law upholding it. It's for us Eddie. Yes But they do it for us. But they could give a shit. Yeah, of course. That's why we'll never know what their actual agendas are Yeah, we can pull it. They can pull out at any time. We don't know what they're really up to

We're just trusting them because we get Wi-Fi Yeah, cuz they because the UN holds nothing over them You know those things they the only fans girls use where they put it in their buttholes and their vaginas and they can pulse Electronically from far away sure. It's aliens. Oh Where would we be that's what they get in the deal Once on Alpha Centauri Ed Cameron was experimented upon by aliens. But the final indignation came when Ed Cameron was brought back to Montauk and put through a series of age regression procedures that reduced him back to a small infant.

Infant Ed was then sent back in time to the year 1927 where he was placed with a new family and renamed Al Beelick. I could just see them looking at this infant being like, CALL HIM OUT! Just throwing it and bubbling it into the time tunnel. All Paul Simon songs. Duncan wants his name, call me Al. Oh my god Eddie, I'm even joking. That might be one

of the keys to this whole fucking thing. Yeah. If there's a guy named Julio in the story somewhere I'm going to shit. Yeah. Because that means Preston Nichols was just obsessed with the fucking. What was it? Well, but the movie by Mike Nichols, the graduate. No, the other one would that has, Oh my God, that's another one, Graceland! Yeah! Wow, is this all Graceland based? Is this Graceland DLC? As long as it's not Rhythm of the Saints.

Oh yeah. Now you conspiracy heads out there probably know the name Al Beelick, because along with Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron, Al Beelick is the third public voice in the Montauk project. Arguably, Al Bealick is the most well-known of the conspiracy theorists here. Of all of them because Al Bealick mostly is known for the Philadelphia experiment. He's the one that put all the Philadelphia experiment stuff out there. That's the way that was like his thing and it wasn't until Preston Nichols

started talking that Al Beelick started being like, Yeah! You know what I mean? Like, so they all started putting their stories together. You can almost say that they were still crazy after all these years. Oh my god. We have to be careful. We have to be careful.

Paul Simon, we're so Garfunkel! Well supposedly, this is Al Beelick's story. After being sent back to 1927 to grow up a second time, Beelick was recruited by the Navy out of high school towards the end of World War II, and he eventually began working in the corners of the military that dealt with PSYOPs and extraterrestrials. But because of his work with aliens, Beielik was also close friends with conspiracy theorist Phil Schneider, who we talked about extensively in our Aliens Attack episode. Interestingly though, Phil Schneider claimed that his father was a former Nazi scientist

who brought his work on Nazi time travel to America, where he applied that Nazi time travel knowledge to what else but the Philadelphia experiment. God damn it. Can you imagine hanging out with all these guys? Like what it's like to hang out with Phil Schneider and light his cigar because he can't he must be so afraid of fire. Do you think he's like Frankenstein's monster? I know if you're hanging out with these guys you got to pick up the check. Oh yeah buddy and it better be you might need to throw in some gas money as well. Just so we're clear on the body swaps, let's review.

Thank you. Duncan Cameron and Ed Cameron both traveled through time, but the side effects of time travel caused Duncan to age rapidly and his consciousness was therefore transferred to the body of his own 12 year old brother in 1963, who had been conceived by Duncan and Ed's father at the request of the United States government. Got it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, come out the butt, shit out the dick.

Kill the boy. Kill the boy, yes. Ed Cameron, meanwhile, was purposefully de-aged into an infant by that same government after going through the time travel and coming back to 1943. Then he was taken back in time to the year 1927, where he was raised under the name of Al Beelick. So Al Beelick and Ed Cameron are the same person, just de-aged and grown up in a different time.

Where all this comes together is that Al Beelick, who if you'll remember, formerly Ed Cameron, he was eventually recruited into the Montauk project along with the rest of them, where he worked as a scientist primarily concerned with the operations of the Montauk chair. Like Preston Nichols, Beelick also claimed to have met Mark Hamill in Hawaii in the 1950s, although I'm still entirely unclear on just what role Mark Hamill is supposed to play here other than being a guy who just shows up every once in a while. I don't know, he just keeps bringing up Mark Hamill, Mark Hamill,

but they never say what he was did. He's there to force the boys into the chair. Absolutely. With the force. Yes, excellent. But I don't think Mark Hamill has that ability. Ed, Mark Hamill is an actor. He's a great actor. And I believe he can talk any boy into any chair he wants.

But I don't think Mark Hamill is trying to. I think that these guys just really wish they had met Mark Hamill. Yeah. Now Al Bielak, aka Ed Cameron, he claimed that when he began working on the Montauk project, he actually lived in California, but he commuted to Long Island every day via a magnetic levitation subway train that traversed the country in just two hours. Eventually though, the train was replaced with an underground time tunnel machine. The technology that made the time tunnel possible was what else but the Montauk chair, which by this point was being operated by none other than Al Beelick's supposed

brother Duncan Cameron. Yes. So if the train goes underground, why does it have to be time traveling? Because otherwise it can't travel fast enough. No, it was first a magnetic levitation subway train that traveled through magnets Yeah, and that was underground underground underground levitating underground. It was levitating underground It levitated over the tracks cut yeah because of the magnets which made the magnets also make go real fast real Make the train real light yeah But then it was replaced, but then it's just a time tunnel, and they just walked through the time tunnel

They just farted it out, but if but they're not going through time. They're going through space Yeah, you time to travel time and space yeah, it's space yeah They're using time to travel through space time is what it takes for you to travel through space. I guess so I'm gonna take that I'm gonna take I guess I can't wait to see the fucking emails we get every single time we try to talk science on this show People that know science being like that's not out the magnets work of course it's not none of this is It's some of it, who knows? Some of it might be real, but none of it is fully real. Montauk exists. It does. Now I have no idea

how Duncan Cameron made his way back into the Montauk project, whether his younger self was recruited or kidnapped or what, because Duncan Cameron was extremely vague on many extremely important plot points such as this. What we do know is that at some point in the early 70s, Duncan Cameron had somehow become an extremely powerful psychic. He was therefore one of the Montauk Project's most important assets, although it does seem like he was being forced to use the Montauk Chair against his will. At first he was excited and he was being forced to use the Montauk chair against his will. At first he was excited and he was engaged.

Partially it was the way that Preston Nichols described Duncan Cameron as he's a guy that can literally only focus on one thing at a time. And what he meant by that was that he said that Duncan Cameron had a special ability. It wasn't even necessarily that he was psychic, is that he was so well able to concentrate and without anybody else's interference

that he could create pictures in his mind and hold them no matter what you did to him. You could fucking hit him in the knees with a stick. You could fucking pull on his belly, you know what I mean? You could give him wet willies and stuff. And he's still thinking about it and he's locked in. And because what they figured out is the reason why they need a human Mind to do any of this stuff is because technically it's too difficult to do the math and the science to make it up

But if you just think about it, and you make up a time tunnel in your brain You're doing all the work just by thinking about it See what I'm saying. Yeah, you don't have the technology to build it, but if you just think about it being real and you have a psychic materialist machine that can make it real, then it becomes real because you're just thinking about it and it's using your mind thoughts.

Power of positive thinking. No, it's the actual making of the thing. It's the power of the visualization of your mind. Yeah, that makes sense. Michael Jackson used to write his songs by just humming them and then Quincy Jones would make it. And then the kid, the kid goes like, Hey, let me go. He goes, Hey, get him, get that part. And then we'll keep the rest of it. Okay. But I think it'll work. Well, I'm also unsure if Al Bielik and Duncan Cameron knew that

they were supposedly brothers while they were in Montauk they didn't know but the important thing to know here is that Al Beelick claims that he was the program director in charge of the psychics who manned the Montauk chair he's sort of like the Matthew Modine character in Stranger Things so to recap one more time we're now back in the late 70s, where Al Beelik, aka Ed Cameron, was controlling the mechanisms behind the Montauk chair, while his supposed brother, Duncan Cameron, was sitting in the chair itself operating as the psychic battery. And yes, he did say over and over again, you said that Duncan, that Preston Cameron said

that it wasn't that he was psychic, but in the books they refer to him as a powerful psychic like thousands of times Preston Nichols downplays Duncan Cameron's abilities sometimes because I believe that Duncan Cameron annoys Preston Nick Take him down a peg or two constantly is negging that Duncan Cameron He's constantly like and that's what Duncan does. Yeah weird like kind of like It's passive aggressive. He's catching strays for no reason There's like a whole section where I was like and here's Duncan's pet like they're going through the Montauk area

And then he focuses on a daddy longleg spider and he's like and there's Duncan Cameron's There's Duncan's pet that he's forcing me to take a picture of and then it cut over to him going Duncan cameras just going oh I believe acting out the monster. Yeah, he was doing this thing and he's like there's Duncan being Duncan They're just talking shit what Duncan could have used is a Montauk treadmill could have used is a Montauk treadmill. Rarr! Rarr! Now once the Montauk chair moved beyond influencing the thoughts of the person sitting in it, it was discovered that the chair could be used to read the mind of the user,

although that person did need to be a powerful psychic for the chair to properly work. The psychic would think specific thoughts, which the Montauk chair computers would quote unquote catch and translate to a display monitor. But as the scientists learned more about the Montauk chair and the alien technology contained therein, they found they could use the chair to amplify thoughts and minds to achieve incredible things. So by 1977, the transmitter system for the Montauk chair could be used to receive and transmit any and all psychoactive functions.

And it seemed like the sky was the limit as long as Duncan Cameron was the psychic in the seat. And I can't stress enough, the Montauk chair, when I first thought of this, I was like, oh, it's gonna be a big ornate Fun looking sci-fi. Massive gotta be like taking you know, 10 feet tall at least. It's a recliner It's a crazy one. It is literally It's just a long island after all it is just exactly the same chair. My uncle sat in We met rob's family today. I know your father has a chair that he sits in right?

Yeah, there's yeah, he's going right. Yeah, he's got my father has a chair that no one else is allowed to sit in It's my father's chair. No one would sit in it. Yeah, because for some reason the chair itself has become Disgusting. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just melting his balls into it. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and it's melting his balls into it. Yeah. Yeah Oh, okay, that's just a recliner. It is just a tasty Long Island artifact It's I imagine something that was sort of like that you like the Game of Thrones chair like the Game of Thrones throne But except made out of like electronics, you know, there's all sorts of like monitors and shit. It's a brown recliner I was I was expecting like a metal chair with like a electrocution helmet on

it. I swear to God it's a fucking just they got it from, they just went down the street to one of those like dumb shit Long Island Bob discount furniture. Great. Well the, it's not really a chair that makes a chair. It's old stuff around it and the guy in it. Well the first seemingly impossible thing that Duncan Cameron claimed to have achieved was the ability to concentrate on just the thought of an object and using nothing but the power of his mind, he claimed that he could produce said object out of thin air. I would imagine that's what it sounds like when something comes from another dimension. This is a dumb buffalo. Put it back.

Well, the results of this thought matter transformation, however, were mixed. Sometimes it was said that Duncan could conjure up just the image of an object, which would disappear as soon as the Montauk chair was turned off. But once Duncan got really good at creating matter out of pure thought The objects would be solid and they would remain long after the experiment ended and it was even said that he could make new Buildings appear on the grounds of the Montauk base Would have been helpful after 9-eleven Can't do it all at once One of the more stranger things side of the Montauk project, Duncan claimed that in an experiment called the Seeing Eye,

he could use an object that belonged to a person like a lock of hair and use that object as a conduit that would allow him to see, hear, and feel everything that his target experienced. Do you feel that when we were younger, the idea of people giving and using locks of hair for things was like a much bigger thing? Yeah. And now I have not held a lock of someone's hair in a very long time. No, I think it died with our guy. I think it died actually with the generation before us. Because no one ever gave me a lock of hair.

Yeah, who would ever give anybody a lock of hair? Has anybody done that? Your mom probably has. I have photo albums that my mom put together with locks of hair like in the photo album. Yeah, I don't know what it was with locks of hair in the 80s, 70s and 80s. Yeah, this is back to the 30s, 40s, 50s. Like these people have been doing locks, like it's just us. You know, it's another thing millennials killed.

We killed the lock of hair industry. Yeah. I blame us. One after another after another. Well, Duncan claimed that he could use the Seeing Eye experiment to find anyone on the planet 99 times out of 100 if his powers were amplified by the Montauk chair. And he even claimed that he could control people if he took his powers to the limits.

Duncan however said that he could only reach the height of his powers by tapping into his secret CIA NSA psychosexual training. Yes, my brother taught me. He said that he could put himself into a state of orgasmic trance by presumably tapping into Wilhelm Reich's organ energies. And when he was in this state, he claimed that he was far more pliable for experiments. So NSA psychosexual training. Yeah.

It's basically just like watch chicks in the shower. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they do best. Well, what this is, man, this is gooning. No, it is gooning. This is the power of gooning. And that's what this whole Montauk project

is literally powered by gooning. And that you have to stay in a perpetually semi-hard state Which is just got to be exhausting for a while, especially for a man and a beret That he's just sitting there just absolutely. I don't what would make him hard I imagine thinking about trains and thinking I think Duncan Cameron would be super into Miss Piggy Yeah, I mean for some reason in my mind. I could see him fucking muppets and guessing sandwiches. Yeah. Yeah. Oh sure. No, that's Preston. Yeah. Preston's more in the, this is the big boy. Duncan Cameron. Yeah. He's the skinny

boy. Yeah. Now the experiments with Duncan Cameron and the Montauk chair continued in a sort of scattershot way to see what stuck. Although most of the time, it seemed like Duncan was focusing his psychic energies on the poor, local people of Montauk. It was said that Duncan could make TVs malfunction, and he could use telekinesis to destroy random rooms around town like a poltergeist, and could even make windows shatter at will. This is what's happening in my fucking childhood home.

This is what was fucking going on. It's why my mom was always like all I ever do is clean It was Duncan. Yeah, no, yeah, so you think he was reaching into Queens. Oh, definitely what haven't thought that far I guess it's not no I was born close to Long Island was born in the Jamaica Hospital Yeah, and my wife was born in Long Island nice Yeah, yeah, so you were born along close But it's from Queens But long that Queens is in long island, but that's not called

That's not where that is is called long island long islands only call a certain area once you get past a certain area of Queens But it's all in the same island it is no Good yeah Yeah. Good. Yeah. Same thing. Fucking ground to a goddamn halt. Well Duncan also claimed that he could influence conscious creatures. He said he could cause animals from the surrounding wooded areas to invade Montauk. Or he could influence citizens to embark on spontaneous crime waves that would stop just as suddenly. You know what no one's ready for? Neither one of you dickheads is ready for.

It's how this whole thing created the Amityville horror case as well. Oh yeah. Definitely not ready for that. It's a whole side angle. This whole, do they mention that? You just have to read this stuff long enough. And then anything that has taken place in the Tri--state area can be applied to the Montauk projects Yeah, and that is the entire storyline you ask me. How did the Montauk project create the Amityville horror case? How did the Montauk project create the Amityville horror case it did?

It just seems like Duncan's telekinesis is his excuse for getting drunk and breaking everything. It's a great excuse. Unfortunately for Duncan Cameron using the Montauk chair came at a price. Supposedly since he was bombarded with intense radio and microwaves, every time he used it, his brains and chest were being slowly cooked over time. Duncan claimed that this so-called cooking was so intense that he had become effectively brain dead by the year 1986.

He said he consulted with a neurologist and a group of psychics who all confirmed that while yes, his brain was dead, his body and consciousness were still functioning at a relatively normal rate. I need this Yes, sir, the brain is dead, but your legs did carry you here And supposedly Duncan's doctor told him that the only way it was possible for Duncan to be brain dead yet still apparently alive Was because of his strong psychic powers. I knew it alive was because of his strong psychic powers. I knew it. According to the doctor the experiments had killed his living body, but his psychic self took over and held him together So while his brain stem and spinal cord were alive his actual brain was dead as a doornail. That I believe.

I just want to ask is there any way to switchy flip those? I have the other side be alive, the other side be dead, huh? Could we do a flippy switch? Is there a flippy switch machine? Why would you want a flippy switch? Because right now I can't do things like laugh or dance or I guess dream or smile. I mostly just work. And frown. Yes. My brain is dead. My brain is dead and I can't think of anything anymore.

What do I think about? I don't even know how I'm talking. That's the thing, he's talking. He's talking, he's hanging out. It's because it's his psychic self that's doing all of it. Yeah. It's a great excuse on how to fall asleep mid conversation. You need to start writing this shit down.

Sorry. Don't mean to be rude. It's just that, you know, my brain was cooked by all these experiments. I was involved in in 1986. What is this a fucking Gen Z? And Duncan supposedly spent two years doing all sorts of psychic experiments at the Montauk Project, but in 1979, his psychic thoughts suddenly stopped. Or so they thought.

Eventually, the scientists figured out that Duncan Cameron's thoughts, like the sailors involved in the Philadelphia experiment, had just entered a different time stream. So Duncan refocused his energies and concentrated on using this accidental bridge to create an opening in time. Supposedly, Duncan opened up his first portal in 1980, which created a ten-year bridge to the next decade. This tunnel was said to look more or less like what you'd see in the TV show Sliders. And a person could apparently just stroll through the tunnel just so long as Duncan

kept concentrating on it. But it was extremely difficult for him to concentrate on the tunnel. The tunnel took a lot of psychic energy for him to hold up, which is actually like one of the big problems of this whole fucking thing. Yeah. Because it's all depending on Duncan Cameron. And then you look over and you think about this entire like again Imagine all this is real. I am and you know just

And then you have this 10-billion-dollar funded program by Nazi gold and a lot of pressures on a lot of people to figure what's going on here out Right you got the whole thing you got to make these time tunnels You're obviously building a lot of plans of this now but then you look at your go-to guy the guy that's supposed to get the fucking rock and the guy that's supposed to have the buzzer beater and you look at him and the fat brown lazy boy recliner that he's sitting in with a fucking colander strapped to his head and it's it's fucking Duncan Cameron going I hope today that we could go to the year

4,000 Good this is him No, with any gear the Montauk project had all but refocused the whole operation to time travel briefly They rebranded themselves as Phoenix three whoa complete with a brand new Secret crew who'd been tapped to explore Duncan's time portals This is where you bring in the Sydney Sweeney. This is where you bring in this entire. This is the whole second crew This is the new new generation. This is their fourth season Yeah, for some reason though some of the Montauk scientists decided that along with the highly trained military crew

They'd send a few Montauk boys into the time vortex. Yeah! Yeah, I can't wait to go! Yeah, fuck yeah! Let's go! Yeah, you bet! I don't wanna live! I don't got a future anyway! The boys, ages 9 to 16, of course got lost in the time... It's like boys floating through time. So the scientists, they sent in a local boy completely outside of the project to go round

up all the other boys and bring them home. Once they got back, one boy claimed that he traveled as far as the year 6037. Wow. That's a big TV! Wow, you guys got TVs, huh? That's great! How would he know? It's right there! Look, it says right there it's a calendar! You know what, I do have an answer though. But some Montauk boys were unfortunately lost forever in the time stream. I just love this idea of a portal opens up, this is a big time, then you just grab a kid just getting done playing fucking

Stickball you go and then they're like they're throwing him in there He doesn't come back this but this whole thing them for revolves around this you heard about this idea How they test the Montauk boys to see if they're working how they test them what they do is to see if the time tunnels working They throw them in the tube They're the Montauk boy into the tube and then they send them to the same year to calibrate their time travel They send them to the same year. I think it's in that 2700 year range and they're supposed to find a horse statue Okay, that's in a field and then they read the plate on the the plaque on the horse statue And then when they come back if they could say the exact sentence that plaque on the horse statue and then when they come back if they could say the exact sentence

That was on the horse statue. They knew the time travel work. But what if the boys is like really fucking stupid? All right time travel question great all right 60 37 we all the world could be gone by that we don't know yeah you know we don't know what's going on civilization at the very least could be gone what if you time travel to a time earth is blown up swallowed by the sun when you time travel there are you just floating in space? Yes. Well, that's... Where the earth should have been?

Well, that's the thing. That's also one of the questions of time travel is if you travel through time, if the earth is constantly moving towards space, so there's the idea that if you travel forward in time and you don't time it just correctly, then you will end up floating in space because you're traveling from the specific point that you're at, but the Earth is not there anymore. So you would have to go to the exact time and minute. Yeah, you'd have to do a lot of calculations to make sure, like you can't travel to like any time,

you have to travel to one that would correspond with the Earth being in that specific spot. Why do you think Duncan Cameron was so tired? This is extremely hard for him. He has never had a job. So it would always have to be on April 10th, like if I try on time travel today. I don't know. I don't know.

OK, depends on the earth's rotation. Oh, yeah. And there's leap years. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, which makes the earth fucking twice in size. Yeah. You know that? Then all of a sudden I'm in Monterey. What am I doing here? I'm going to miss the way the beach boy started. Yeah

Before long the Montauk project figured out how to use the time vortex tunnels to travel not only through time But space as well although again It seems like this ability was discovered entirely by accident technically time travel is the same as traveling through space technically sure while Duncan was Well, Duncan was opening time portal sometime in the early eighties. He suddenly found himself opening direct portals to the planet Mars. And it was discovered that Mars was filled to the brim with pyramids. Can't even fuck. Yeah.

You can't walk down the street Mars without fucking tripping over a pyramid. The pyramids on Mars are supposedly pretty much the same pyramids that we have here on earth but cold yeah Super cold, but they're both filled with ancient alien technology But while the pyramids on earth have all been plundered by other alien races the pyramids on Mars were sealed with extra security So all that ancient alien technology shits up for grabs Yeah, dude with extra security so all that ancient alien technology shits up for grabs. Yeah dude. So to try and access the technology, Duncan Cameron used the Montauk chair to travel first

to the year 1943 for reasons unexplained. He missed it! He missed the tax rate! Then he used the chair to open a vortex directly inside the Mars pyramids, where he found a sort of defense system that was keeping aliens out of our solar system. It's apparently this amazing thing. I don't know what it is. It's called a D T. The code is one, one, one, one. Duncan turned the system off again for reasons unexplained. And that, Duncan claims, is why UFOs began turning up on Earth en masse starting in the 1940s, because he went back in time and turned off the security system on Mars in 1943.

Did he say I'm sorry? Did he say I'm sorry? For this one, I don't think he did. No, he said I'm sorry to the boys. And I bet you one of those boys was Barack Obama. Because Barack Obama was on Mars as a part of a different time traveling boys scenario on the Project Serpo storyline, which is all happening at the same time.

Barack Obama was a Project Serpo boy that was trained in space slash time travel, and he actually was on the planet Mars. He was a part of the team scooping up that ancient technology from those pyramids. And if you don't believe that, you can just check his birth certificate. Yeah, you go ahead and believe another word out of the mouth of Barack Hussein Obama. After many years of using the Montauk chair, it seems like Duncan had finally had his fill

of the Montauk experience by 1983. I'm just kind of burnt out. It's unclear whether what happened next was planned or spontaneous, but Duncan claims that through the power of his mind, he was able to shut down the whole project in just one day. Yeah, dude, he was fucking sick of that shit, dude. Fucking take this job and shove it. On August 12th, 1983, Duncan was supposedly strapped down in the chair for an experiment

but for some reason he began imagining a fearsome monster. Rrrrroid creature standing nine feet tall with a long snout, small eyes and a mouthful of sharp teeth. People describe it as looking like the most aggressive Sasquatch imaginable. So it was Conan O'Brien. He's just like Duncan Cameron is just like, it's a very cartoony sounded monster Yeah But just as Duncan was imagining it the creature supposedly conjured itself into existence Right in the middle of the lab where it wrecked everything in its path and actually began eating any Montauk Scientists it could get its hands on They had a pad right so they had a thing where where they were developing it is that eventually they use the time travel portal to squirt

things out of it they had a special receiving area that would be like a 3d printer for a bunch of all these things that he was making up and that was when the monster came through right and that was before because it was I guess it's like Preston Nichols because again Preston Nichols says he did not organize anything. No. His job was to run the ones and zeros on the chair. That's what he did, right? He was the, he's just a, literally, he's just a tech guy.

So who organized it? Von Neumann? Von Neumann. Yeah, Von Neumann and Al Beelig. And all the people above, all the people that we don't know above all of this, right? And the wing makers, the robots from the future. And so this is a, it's all real. And so this came out, he was already feeling upset

because Duncan Cameron was watching all of these boys disappear. And he missed the boys and the boys were his friends. The boys were the only ones talking to him because he was a lonely Long Island weirdo and there's nothing a bunch of, like a Long Island weirdos for some reason always sort of attract like a bunch of like a Long Island weirdos for some reason always sort of attract Like a bunch of like weird fanboys. Yeah. Yeah, actually that does happen quite a bit, you know

I know like certainly greening in a way, but strange old man. No, I'm hung out with plenty of strange old men when I was a kid No, I know. Yeah. Yeah and nothing happened. Okay, so he'd be talking about if it happened. Yeah. Yeah, you know Your mind wiped mmm now there was really only one of them that I think came close all the rest He was definitely grooming me with basketball cards But yeah, most of them were just weird lonely old men who like speaking with boys, you know, they exist You can hang out. It's hard these days. It's not the same. It's much harder Yeah, I think that 90s are the last time that you could really just hang out with a boy all day Yeah, yeah

No one said a weird single old man could hang out with a boy all day long and it was fine I'm back people paid him to do so Yeah, I wish that we could do in this generation that we can't do. It's entirely innocent, but I miss it. Seeing a random little boy in the street, giving him 10 bucks and say, go get something from the store for me. Come back. Yeah.

Like a mobster. I miss that. Yeah, that's nice. That's very nice. We had a guy in our neighborhood who used to take all the kids to the movies all the time. Imagine that happening today. He was a solo dude. It is a solo ass dude living by himself. God, he would pull up. kids to the movies all the time. Imagine that happening today. He would take us all to the

movies and we'd come back and like all of our company was great. And I mean, I'm fine. Yeah, you didn't get got. And I feel like it was a lot of home. You ever go to a home babysitter that had a bunch of other kids in it? Yeah. It's called an unlicensed daycare. A lot of Montauk boys. No, that was actually, yeah. When I was five, I went to one of those and in order to keep me quiet while the other kids were taking naps, the person, the woman who ran the place just let me watch Indiana Jones and the temple of doom over and over and over and over again. That's a cool babysitter. You're going to say tied you to a chair Now back to the creature accounts vary as to how large this creature supposedly was super big Here president goes go the monster the monster came through he And you can see here at the height of the monster couple we saying it's anywhere from nine feet to 30 feet

Everybody's got something different everyone was seeing the monsters from different angles Yeah, they did some people say it was nine feet some feet to 30 feet. Everybody's got something different. Everyone's seen the monster from different angles. Yeah, they did. Some people said it was 9 feet. Some people said it was 3 stories tall. But what we do know, supposedly, is that when the creature appeared in McGandit's rampage, our hero from episode 1, Preston Nichols, was in the room. You stop, monster! Choose peace!

Choose peace, monster! Well, by Preston's account, the creature, which he later named Junior, was probably 10 feet tall. But even though Preston was terrified, he said that he was ordered to shut down the transmitters in an attempt to send the monster back to the netherworld. I'm super humiliating because I never played horse with a bigfoot. Yeah, we can do about it. There was however a hitch here. See in order for Preston's powerful psychic energies to work at maximum power, he had

to connect with a past version of himself. And apparently this whole time, Duncan's 1943 version had just been hanging around on the USS Eldridge next to a transmitter, and the two versions were working together. But since Duncan was too busy conjuring the monster, there was no one available to open a time vortex in 1943 to tell the other Duncan to turn off the transmitter on his side. See? Common mistake.

That's why you have redundancies. That's why you got a plan. So when Preston Nichols was given the order to shut it all down, he took the same approach Duncan and Ed had taken when they had to shut down the Philadelphia experiment, which was to basically run around and wreck shit until the power turned off. As such, after cutting numerous wires and turning off every transmitter and electrical transformer he could find, Preston Nichols was finally successful and making the beast disappear But not before the beast wrecked the lab and killed many of the scientists

Imagine being a month thought like Montauk boy like showing up I'm back from 2394 Honestly, it's fun. All of this is fun This is like they also said a lot of this difficult part was that because the US Eldritch according to USS Eldritch Never shut off. Yeah, that's like one of these things that they kind of say that like that experiment Yeah, that's like one of these things that they kind of say that like that experiment essentially destroyed and changed Reality in a way that was real bad they could get in this timeline I know what it did is that it also made these things last a super long time So it actually when they said that when they finally cut all the power supplies off I thought it was interesting that they said the monster didn't immediately disappear. He like slowly, part by part, disappeared. Roar!

Roar! Roar! Roar! Now I'm imagining the red monster from Bugs Bunny. That's a good one. That is a good one. I feel like that's the one I would do with this. Yeah!

Roar! Roar! Now following the beast rampage, in which it killed a fair amount of scientists, and I would imagine a whole slew of Montauk boys... I'll die for you! Just throw the Montauk boys at them again and again and again. The military allegedly decided that the Montauk project was getting out of hand, so the entire operation was shut down.

All evidence of the project was either sealed away in the six underground levels, allegedly below what is now Camp Hero State Park, or it was all carried away, while the Montauk Project technology was used to wipe the memories of everyone who worked on it, including Al Beelick, Duncan Cameron, and Preston Nichols. And these people were just sorta sent out into the world with wiped minds

Good work boys. Thanks for your all your hard work here and the for the US government Now go be homeless Yeah, like do they when they went their minds that they still know like English yeah Yeah, they just wiped they were able to very specifically target only the parts in the Montauk project. Everything else was still there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Good for them. Yeah. It's incredible.

I could lose a couple of things. I could. I could lose a couple of things as well. Yeah. Then the Montauk project was supposed to stay buried. But Preston Nichols claimed to have found his way back to the Montauk site almost entirely by accident Despite having no memories of it. See Preston said that while he was working for the Montauk project He was also working for a defense contractor named

BJM as an electrical engineer was Brookhaven. I forget what else it was. He did technically he did do that He was he was definitely an electrical engineer yeah we do know that So when the Montauk project ended Preston said he continued his life working for BJM elsewhere on Long Island I believe but seemingly just a few months after his mind was wiped Preston obtained a grant from someone to study telepathic communication when they said that to be honest He was such an attractive candidate for all of these super secret things because he got a master's in parapsychology from Long Island University Where he said that this was the most the most and he's like that couldn't believe that I had my own master's degree in

Parapsychology, it's the only one ever given to anybody Here from sweet sweet, Long Island didn't he also claim to have a degree from the University of Tampa yes okay and he didn't I don't know I don't know I don't know when you're dark files they didn't I don't have the legit information okay I have all of this information all right I'm sorry I'll retract my question please save all reality based questions for the end yes according to Preston the way that telepathy and radio waves work are Thank you. Please save all reality-based questions for the end. Yes. According to Preston, the way that telepathy and radio waves work are similar, and since

he was already an expert in frequencies, he had decided to branch out into studying paranormal phenomena by collaborating with psychics to see just how related these two things were. Preston claimed that he soon discovered that there was a certain frequency that could jam psychic abilities just as one can jam radar. That's the 410 to 420 megahertz radio frequency. And some of Preston's local Long Island psychics were complaining about getting jammed up. I'm fucking jammed up as fuck, dude. I've been trying to figure out.

I ain't checking. I ain't going to the restaurant to see if they got reservations Oh, but I just want to know I want to know if they got it open it for nine But for twelve people because it's my sister's communion. She's coming through a whole thing with the one all thing people come in from Out of time you get jammed up cuz you know that she Too much mousseline. Oh, that's the problem Well in 1984 the year after the Montauk project was supposedly shut down, Preston took a VHF receiver

and drove around Long Island tracking this jamming frequency until he finally found the source. Preston claimed that the psychic jamming frequency was broadcasting from a radar antenna at Fort Hero Air Force Base on Montauk Point, which is of course the location of the Montauk Project. But remember, Preston had all of his memories of the Montauk Project wiped, so as far as he was concerned, when he showed up on Fort Hero, he'd never been there before in his life, even though he had, or so he claimed.

Or so he claimed. So when he began, so when he began exploring the now abandoned base and found high voltage radio equipment, his interest was peaked. Yeah. Through the Surplus Disposal Agency, Preston tried buying this equipment, but the SDA couldn't find any record

of the equipment existing. Eventually Preston was contacted by a man with the suspiciously simple name of John Smith. John Smith told Preston that no one officially owned the equipment, so as far as the SDA was concerned, Preston could just take it. He literally could just go to the field and just take all this shit from this place. That's the same thing that John Smith did with Pocahontas

Additionally the mysterious John Smith also gave Preston a piece of paper and told him to show it to anyone who might question Why this corpulent Long Islander was plundering a military base? You might want to look at my permission slip Printed on paper. They look at it and they're like, you know what? We were all going to care about this. Just fucking get the fuck away from me. And my parkway. John Smith signed this?

Oh wow, oh then definitely. Go right in. Go right over the four and a half foot fence. Now once Preston got his free pass, he began bringing a psychic friend around Fort Hero. Eventually they spoke with a caretaker, a man named Mr. Anderson. Mr. Anderson. Who very helpfully showed Preston and his psychic around the grounds, while encouraging them to take anything they wanted. Take this, of course. Take this trash can. As you can see, I find garbage to be a virus. This courtesy, however, was extended to just one single day. Mr. Anderson told Preston and his

psychic friend that they could explore and take stuff, but if they came back a second time, Mr. Anderson was gonna have to quote, take Preston out. Because I like you. And there's something about you that I wish that I had in a friend, and I wish we could go to dinner. And I wish that maybe after dinner, we could go get gelato.

And so Preston and his psychic friend began exploring the base, where they soon ran into another man wandering the grounds, a man who appeared to be homeless. It's just because I'm not inside! This man, however, did have an incredible amount of information as to what had occurred on Camp Hero in the recent past. I'll tell you everything about this whole stupid place, huh?

It's sort of like, you know, like Chris Farley in Wayne's World, it's like, wow, he had a lot of information for a limo driver. It's kind of like, this is that guy. It's the exposition man. Yeah. This mysterious, quite rough looking man told Preston that the base had been used for all manner of experiments.

Then he began rattling off a bevy of technical details about the machinery used in these experiments and how everything worked. The man then said that all of it had just come crashing down one day when quote, a big beast appeared and frightened everyone away. The kicker however, came when this obviously disturbed man told Preston Nichols that Preston had not only worked

on projects in the very base in which they were standing, but that Preston had in fact been this man's boss. Oh my God, somebody let me be a boss? Oh God, what a horrible timeline was that? I had trouble finding my suspenders this morning and it turned out they were on my shoulders. Maybe I could see past my pendulous Long Island mantis. I shouldn't be in charge of them Jersey Mikes.

Now Preston claims that he was skeptical about all the shit this mysterious man told him. I know buddy you smell like piss and you look like shit but I gotta say you're saying things I like because it means I was a boss of somebody It's all this man's fault But when Preston asked his psychic to probe the man's mind the psychic supposedly confirmed that everything Preston's alleged former employee said was true Yeah, he's telling the truth. I can tell he's telling the truth and you owe him a recommendation for working out supposedly confirmed that everything Preston's alleged former employee said was true.

So going off what his psychic friend found when delving into the mind of a ranting vagrant making claims of monsters and mind control on an abandoned military base, Preston was 100% on board with the idea and began investigating further. Yeah. So you could hear now Preston would come back on and on again. This is a, he go back to the Montauk base. Now I found and sat and watched this two hour long tour of the Montauk base.

I was in the bath. Okay. Ah, your bath. I never felt so fat as I was sitting I literally sat I had a beer I'm in the bath. I did the thing to her look at my like toes are out of the water You're like a big kind of fat style. I have like I have a little head pillow I was wearing and I sat with my and I'm watching my UFO documentaries I'm just sitting there watching it in the bath and stuff and that's how you're gonna die

I'm just sitting there watching it in the bath and stuff and that's how you're gonna die You in a bathtub with a laptop Fucking slurry the laptop on the sink or on the toilet because it's shitty into my mind This is the bunker where the Montauk Boys project was done. This is where the boys were actually stripped of their mind and the mind was reformed through computers and reinserted in the body of the boy. Yep, this is two hours of this, pointing at random things inside of this building and they put it to this very like I It's one of those things where I kind of almost feel bad for the younger generation because they don't get the magic of this Yeah, this is a fully digitally

Recreate like captured VHS tape and you really get the feeling of it Like you could see why it felt real. If you were watching this on a shitty TV in your rumpus room, this would scare the fuck out of you. Yeah, it looks crazy. Yeah, it looks, it does look real. It does look like something sinister went down there. Oh yeah, an abandoned military base.

Yeah. They somehow have total access to. Yeah. Cause no one cares about it. No one cares what's happening. Yeah, and the fence again is about four feet tall. Which is about three feet higher than I can jump. But all this of course is an investigation of the tour.

This came much later. Yes. Where we're at right now in the story, Preston Nichols is still just trying to figure out what went on. So he started with the town of Montauk itself. Went down, started talking to locals, and he soon discovered during his initial investigation that many locals actually recognized him. Furthermore, those locals had quite a few tales to tell about the strange things that

supposedly happened in Montauk because of the base at Fort Hero. Allegedly several people said that experiments at the base had caused snow to fall in the middle of the summer, and hurricane force winds could be summoned in an instant along with random lightning and hail storms. More disturbing, though, was what the base was supposedly able to do with animals. At times, locals said that herds of animals would come marching into town in large groups and would sometimes come crashing through windows for no reason whatsoever. We were in the middle of the local softball game of the, it was the Plumbers Union versus the Firemen.

And about 25 badges came over the, one of the railings of the field. And my God, the blood. Watching those Union guys guys my proud Union boys and my fire boys just Beat the living fuck out all these badges beating them to death with the baseball bats Spread the bullet everywhere was one of the craziest honestly even even got to think about it. We were laughing a lot Yeah, you know all the way it was just it was unexpected. It was the day to hooky Joe died of the heart attack That's from UHF yes Well Preston then supposedly spoke to the Montauk police chief who told him that the town was played with sudden crime sprees that would end just as quickly. Teenagers, he said, would also act strangely, sometimes gathering in groups for up to two hours at a time before suddenly dispersing.

I can't stand the idea of people hanging out. For up to two hours. People just visit? Fuck that! Fuck that shit. Is this communist Russia? Oh Can I also add at the end of all this I just want to tack on a little bit of the real world stuff of watching The Gilgo Beach murder documentary on Netflix talking about how the Suffolk County Sheriff's didn't they literally covered up the entire serial killers reign to cover up the fact that they were visiting the same sex workers that the serial killer

was. And it seems to just kind of be a part of that. Yeah. All this could be all an extended part of that thing. Yeah. A little bit. Put it. So the Montauk boys are the serial killers in Long Island.

No, the Montauk boys are the serial killers in Long Island. No, the Montauk boys are the boy sex workers. Let's say sex Volunteers that they were forced through these scenarios and stuff. They were super upset about it Because workers get paid you're right. Yeah Now we don't know how or why but in 1985 after Preston Nichols had been investigating the base at Fort hero for about a year Duncan Cameron showed up on Preston's doorstep. Duncan informed Preston that every suspicion he had about the Montauk Project was correct, and that they had in fact actually worked together numerous times on time travel experiments.

Duncan however said that he was still a little fuzzy on the whole thing because his memories about the Montauk Project would phase in and out, but Preston claimed to have the ability to use hypnosis to recover repressed memories. So, with Preston's help, Duncan claimed that he was able to eventually remember the whole story of what really went down in Montauk. From what it seems like to me, there is a sequence of actual real life events that led to the creation of the Montauk Project story. All this is of course just my own speculation. As far as how Preston came to discover Fort Hero, there very well could have been some weird frequency coming from the grounds in

1984 because the base hadn't been shut down all that long and it was possible that some equipment was still running somewhere. Preston Nichols was also probably researching the link between psychic abilities and radio frequencies because going off footage of Preston's home, he really does have a thing for frequencies and sound. I sent this to Marcus I sent a not this one

But I sent Marcus a clip of Preston Nichols hanging out in his house and I said do you even fucking lift bro? Yeah, this man his entire life is sound sound he does it he is on a different level than me I'll tell you that if you walk into us watching footage of his home obviously We talked about the wall-to-wall like equipment and the stuff going on, but his ceiling was just pumping out religious radio, right? Really, really intense. And on top of his house sits what he does is a rebuild of a fake thing called the Delta T antenna,

according to Preston Nichols, right? He put the antenna on top of his house. And I want you to hear, now he shot some video in this bass tour He shot some video outside of his own home, and I want you to imagine you live in East Islip You're in a little suburban Country it's like a nice house, and this is your next-door neighbor. He has got a 12 foot tall Pyramid-shaped in antenna on his house making this noise. That's just from the, this is from the street.

You're hearing the noise from his house. This can't be good for anybody. This is why they have pots on their head. This is why Preston Nichols is this way. It's cause he's living in this he is surrounded by 9g whatever this shit is He's constantly frying his brain. He's frying his brain. He sleeps in the shitty like bed This is the Delta T antenna.

You've got it. This is the... It's just... I can't even imagine. But it's to nothing. It's not her... It's connected into his speakers. God knows what it's doing. Yeah, no idea. I mean, frequencies can have... Like certain sound frequencies definitely have an... Can have an effect on your brain. Yeah! But I know not all of them. I know that we disprove that radio waves don't really do anything to you, but I feel like if you're covered in them, yeah, it can't be that good It's a different type of white noise. Aren't you supposed to not be under power lines?

There's a bad for you. No, you're not supposed to know directly underneath I don't think anything is supposed to be that humming that loud that you're supposed to be sleeping under Nope, if Preston did track the frequency to the abandoned base, it is quite possible that he and his psychic friend were simply approached by a mentally ill homeless man wandering the grounds, who told them an insane story about monsters and secret government time travel experiments.

But as you can probably tell from Preston's stories about his life prior to the Montauk project, all the stuff about being friends with Jim Morrison and creating the wall of sound and all that shit, Preston definitely leans towards flights of fancy. And when his psychic friend quote unquote confirmed the mentally ill man's story with so-called psychic powers, it was off to the races for Preston. Preston soon started wandering around Montauk, kicking up dust, talking to everyone he could find about any weird shit that might have happened.

Duncan Cameron, meanwhile, who certainly has his own fanciful ways of thinking, he may have caught wind of Preston's investigation. Duncan then goes to Preston's house with half a story, but through the process of so-called hypnotic regression, which is notorious for creating false memories, Duncan and Preston were able to yes and each other into creating the entire Montauk Project narrative. And you're right, Ed. It is that one guy's fault. It could be.

I think so. It's possible. It's very possible. I have like, obviously I have a cockamamie There's so many different ways we talked about this like what's the truth here? What are we seeing truth is that nothing happened their entire life and then this guy? Came spouted nonsense at them and gave them a purpose for being alive It's true or like you know on one level like the very top of it if it's all true

Which is obviously not sure but then I have like a fun middle theory. That's like Okay, let's just say during this time period when this intelligence offices were running a mock with black budgets and they could do anything They want let's say you have a couple of wing nuts right under the some farm makers, please You're right. We got some guys that decide Let's see what these microwaves do on a bunch of little boys Not that far away from what they were doing with MK ultra not that far So it's like what if at some point they are frying a bunch of players zapping a bunch of people with these rays Preston Nichols said something interesting on a interview with Art Bell that he said that was like

He was kind of talking. this is early in the story development He said that he had a thought that the time travel never worked That it was all mind control that all the time travel stuff was an implanted thing in their heads to make them sound Insane and that actually what it was was it was an entire place that was just frying boys And then eventually some government that was just frying boys, and that eventually some government guy was like, okay, what's happening here? We're doing what here?

And then said like, get rid of it, get rid of these fucking idiots, make them homeless. Get them out of here. And then they stumbled back later on. You can't convict me of a crime, it's 2137. And you're like, ah, fuck, we did it too good. on you can't convict me of a crime it's 2137 no matter how the story was created I do think that Preston Nichols believed that it was real and therefore took the whole thing extremely seriously by July of 1986 he dissembled a group of investigators who were all on board

with discovering the truth behind the Montauk Project. Once they felt they had a good narrative going, they traveled to Chicago, where Preston gave a lecture to hundreds of people at the U.S. Psychotronics Association, which is a nonprofit dedicated to studying esoteric, spiritual, and psychic arts because mainstream science refuses to do so. Yeah, because they're fucking weak and suck! US Psychotronics Association by the way still going strong to this day and is currently chaired by a channeler named John

Clemo who I'm sure has quite a few opinions on the efficacy of organ accumulators. I'm gonna say this right now guys remember We just went through a little bit of a ride in the stock market by the dip the US Psychotronics Association That stocks on the rise. We're trying to make it go public Buy-in time to buy in let's go psychic stock going up. I'm still doing turtlenecks. I know I know But after giving that speech Preston Nichols had before long formed a bit of a Montauk crew He of course had Duncan Cameron on board But but Al Beelick soon showed up as well. And what's Duncan and Al got going, they eventually cooked up the time traveling

brothers living in their second body slash live storyline. When the three of them together, it's like, what was that? That super group with Willie Nelson, Johnny K. Man, it is the highwaymen. They fucking, they just feel that groove, dude. They all just one drops the bass, the other one picks up where the other one left off I would say they're more like very talented jazz improv players. Oh, yeah Yeah, but with conspiracy theory. Yeah being fat For hero Sandwich based economy

sandwiches. Oh wow. It's a sandwich based economy. From there, the crew hooked up with author Peter Moon, who began doing investigations of his own. These men were making some pretty wild claims. So Peter figured it would be good to contact the head of the Montauk Historical Society, a man named Dick dick white to see if this man could confirm or deny any of these events this poor poor man Hi, nice to meet you. Yeah, you guessed it the curtains match the drapes Lot of people don't know this it's actually pink You won't mistake it now to to Peter Moon's credit, he did publish Dick White's incredibly patient responses to his questions.

Dick said that he didn't recall any out of season hurricanes or snow storms, nor did he ever hear anything about large groups of wild animals running rampant through town, although he did remember one time when a couple of deer crashed into a phone booth. That's a crazy day dude. That was crazy. Ever had venison ravioli? We did. Dick White however did refer Peter to some other Montauk locals, including the former

gardener at Ford Hero. The gardener said that sometimes when he was mowing, he would run over pieces of metal that would give him electric shocks We kept doing it cuz it's his job They kept saying stuff like stop running over the metal you're gonna charge and I said no, this is my favorite time This is where I like to be I'm one with the grass That guy's smart That guy cutting grass

He gets it. He doesn't need the fucking rat race. He doesn't need the corporate ladder. He just loves sitting on Mount Mowa, hanging out on Long Island. Get? Yeah, yeah, you ready? I got some micarta here in my water bottle. Peter claims that the Gardener's electric shocks were evidence of a highly charged electrical field in the vicinity of the base

From what it seems like he said electric sharks The fucking game I'm gonna introduce I'm more I'm much more likely to introduce electric sharks I'm more, I'm much more likely to introduce electric shards. Oh, because of the Italians. Yeah. And they shart a lot. Yeah, they do. Cause of the fucking it's gravy. It's a sunny gravy. That's those electric shards. They are in a Montauk chair. From what it seems like Peter put far more stock into the Gardner's claims than what the head of the Montauk Historical Society had to say. That was more the direction Peter Moon went in when they started writing the books.

Yeah, but yeah, the guys that fucking Mr. Mr. Peniswhite is fucking a bummer. This guy is a fucking that Gardner knows what's going on. Now despite very brief, he clarity, Peter Moon still went along with all the absolutely insane shit that Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron claimed and eventually they wrote five books on the subject of the Montauk project And my god, there is so much we did not talk about I read it serious that is serious. There's so much more Montauk project DLC and we have not been we can't include like the acid cabin Oh, yeah like the acid cabin. Oh, yeah Yeah, the acid cabin There's this whole thing with this guy that says that he was a Montauk boy who was sent back in time to assassinate Jesus Christ

So he could get Jesus's blood so they could fucking mix the blood with Duncan Cameron's blood and put it on the shroud of Turin So they could prove that Duncan Cameron was the fucking savior But Duncan Cameron was also the Antichrist because Duncan Cameron was also friends with Alistair Crowley in a previous life. I'm talking about, yeah. It's like so- The Alistair Crowley stuff we haven't even gotten into. They also claimed Timothy Leary was there.

Oh, yeah. They also claimed Timothy Leary. There's also, we never touched the nine rulers of the White Lodge. Yeah. That's a whole thing here that we could touch. No, this universe is, they extended, yeah, five books. Like, it's a massive, massive universe, and the more they wrote the less sense it makes this is the show that it should have been

Yeah, I understand why they didn't do stranger things this way because of all the sexual assault that would have needed when to betrayed Yeah, but I think that the rest of it could have been way interesting if they did it that way Because what are they the mentors were the man? What was the monsters from stranger things? Demi Gorgons. Yeah, so the Demi Gorgons are kind of like the beast. Yeah Yeah, it was they call the upside down where they went the upside down. What was the one in get out? the Undergrounds the the sink the sinking place. Yes Yeah, yeah, it's all the same. Yeah, man. It's all Montauk project type shit

It's all the same. Yeah, man. It's all Montauk project type shit Well as far as Preston Nichols went he claimed that all of his memories about the Montauk project returned in 1990 when he accidentally electrocuted himself while constructing a Delta t antenna on the roof of his science laboratory Can you please pronounce it correctly? The Delta t antenna antenna Delta t antenna this is all from brain damage No, it unlike it put him on a different time track. It helped his brain be that way Yeah But once the whole story was out there Preston claimed that he spent the latter years of his life

Finding and deprogramming all the Montauk boys who were scattered to the winds when Duncan Cameron's mind monster destroyed the lab and shut the whole thing down But I had a finest sunken pirate ship and it was like They were trying to save their house and then I went down there and they were finding all the Treasurer and there was the Asian kid with all the technology and then there was there was a fat kid who's kind of funny And I loved that love those Montauk boys Preston also claimed that because he insisted on telling the truth He was spied on for years by invisible men hanging out in his yard. You see that guy over there? You see that guy over there? Nah exactly

Well, he knew that these were Montauk people because Montauk boys were sometimes given invisibility suits that were capable of shifting into alternate realities Like the fucking breaking point Can you just imagine given a Montauk boy an invisibility suit? He'd just be in the girls bathroom. Yeah, just constantly. He wouldn't move. He wouldn't leave. It was just a good fun of a... You're just naked and you're like, I'm wearing my invisibility suit. And he's going, it's just me. Hey, I'm not naked.

Get that Montauk boy out of there. That naked Montauk boy made criminals out of all of us. He's not naked. He's wearing an invis suit. I can see his invisibility. Dick. Oh, I get it. The suits invisible. Not me. Don't prank guys. It's funny. Now the entire Montauk crew, including Preston Nichols, Peter Moon, Al Bealick and Duncan Cameron, they all took a trip out to Camp Hero in 1995 and claimed that they still observed the same mind control frequency emanating from the base, despite its official closing in the mid-80s. This along with the invisible boys in Preston Nichols' front yard.

You can't even see them. That's the worst part. You never know when you're there. And all of a sudden you're jucking off and you look over there and a boy appears and then all of a sudden, Oh, I'm a problem. And he's laughing and laughing. He's like, Oh, it's funny how you come. It's funny how you come. And I tell him, it's not funny. I want to come. I'm an adult. They don't come. Remember they're gooners. Oh, but not anymore. I'm retired. That's what I'm saying. Oh my God. I'm retired! All coming together.

It always comes together at the end. Can I actually play a bit of my research, the example of what it was like when they went back? Please, please. So he took one of what he said was one of the most famous psychics from Long Island to the Montauk base. And this was her reaction that shows that, as a matter matter of fact it was all real and it's continuing to happen you want to look at it, Sullivan? I feel like I smell urine and

crap, everything defecation and I feel pain I feel like a Thank you, help with it like there's no return It's very emotional for me because I feel that They those that have given their lives Why is to why you know why you know why did they give their life? What was the reason? Why did they give their life? What was the reason? Madness? What madness? What they've been caught up with? What is this? Cut this fucking ram.

This lady looks like my fucking aunt. Yeah, she does. Also, she might be smelling and feeling all that because people It's really good squatting location awesome squat yeah, yeah perfect squat Of course you smell fucking You miss a lot of that. You miss out. Oh, that's horrible. Oh, horrible in here. Powerful. Well, ultimately, I personally think that the Montauk Project conspiracy exists and persists for the same reason that similar conspiracies like QAnon gain so much traction, and it all comes down to participation.

See, the Montauk Project narrative allowed Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron and Al Beelig to be heroes, main characters in a science fiction epic that was able to fuse itself into real world events quite easily due to its open-ended nature. Once Preston and Duncan started telling their story in public though, saying that their minds had been wiped and that they'd recovered their memories, they opened the door for anyone to claim that they were also a part of the Montauk Project, and more often than not, the people claiming participation weren't exactly living exciting lives. These people all began feeding each other stories and building the narrative out into

every corner they could find if they felt it could explain something that didn't make sense or wasn't fair. As such, whether it was intentional or not, I think that the Montauk Project served as the blueprint for the participational collage conspiracies of the internet age. The Montauk Project is the original collage conspiracy. See, when it comes to conspiracies like this, while the creators certainly get the ball rolling, it's the public that picks these conspiracies up and turns them into a far larger narrative. Ultimately though, while these things start off as nothing more than fantasies, they eventually get built into something entirely different,

and sometimes those conspiracies with no grounding in the truth can have dire consequences in the real world. Due to just how incredibly connected our world is these days though, there's nary a corner on earth that doesn't have to deal with the consequences of these modern conspiracies And I think a lot of this can be traced back to two idiots in Long Island Who just wanted their lives to be a lot more exciting than they really were I think that that's also a common problem across the board. Yeah, people want it people want to be a part of these giant Plot lines. That's what I'm saying is the Montauk project is like it's the it is the blueprint for the world that we're living in now.

And it feels good. It feels good to be included. It feels good to have purpose and stuff like this. This was in the way it was also different too because back then information did travel more slowly. Yeah, you had to go actively search this out. This was not fun This would not fall on your lap if you wanted this dumb shit

Like we love if you believed in this stuff you would have had to go like the original tape I saw was in a guy's house with them talking like this before cons and before all the stuff like well There were cons at back then but you can maybe find something like this at a gun show yes but it would take you going to a place yeah doing searching it out now it's just there so at this mostly I think Montauk originally really worked on the fact that they couldn't immediately check you're dealing with people and you're saying a bunch of fake stuff necessarily or stuff that they can't check on in the moment and then you can pull right past it. Well it's like I was saying in the first episode about all of his claims about being in the

music business. It's like in 1992, it's like I can't see, I can't, in 1992 you know how long it would take me to see who played the drums on Big Girls Don't Cry? If I ever find out. Oh, take like a week. Yeah, at least. You have to call the library, you have to do all this stuff. Yeah, and here it's tick tick tick tick tick tick, I'm fucking done.

Yeah. Oh, and there is, wow, Rob just put up a picture, it shows that his picture from his social media avatar has the control tower of the Montauk project in its background. It's the Sagerite. It's finally relevant. Yeah. Finally. Finally. Finally.

You know, and your father told us some good stories. Your father visited the studio today and he told us about the missiles going on to Long Island. Oh yeah. He's exactly as I wanted him to be. Exactly as I needed him to be. Now I reconnected with my Montauk person, my connection over there.

Yeah. And he said that he'd never heard of boys going missing before during the 60s and 70s But there is in fact a giant bunker out there There is yeah, because his father was stationed there when he was older. There's a there is a giant army base there There's an army base there. We just don't we don't maybe don't know what it did Well the bunk he said he said that the bunker was there Kind of as like a nuclear fallout shelter and we didn't even get into all the we didn't even get into all the animal Biohacking that came from because again, that's what Preston Nichols was the one thing that he said

He was forbidden to talk about was the animal biohacking. Yes Travel no, but changing animals to look like different animals the biological edge of the Experimentation was super secret. So it was like Dr. Marosha? Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And that some people, of course, connect that to the Montauk Monster, the thing that washed

up onshore in what, like 2012? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. It was awesome. Yeah, that was the... Yeah, it was really fun. It was a raccoon. Yeah, it was a raccoon.

But guys, I think that this is still my favorite conspiracy theory because it was back when this shit was fun Yes, fun as hell and I wish boys could time travel Yeah, I wish boys could time travel too and I was and this is actually this is pretty incredible like only like a skosh of anti-semitism Racism in this yeah, yeah It's just proves that you they just can't help it No matter like he didn't need to bring it in. They didn't need to tell us that the Draconians were actually Jewish.

Jewish people. Yeah. And that Asian people are insects. You need to say any of that. It wasn't important to the narrative at all. Thicker if the pope of Judaism, Steven Spielberg, didn't live out

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road this year. I come back to the Pacific Northwest. We're going to Portland. We're going to Salt Lake city, going all kinds of fucking places. to the Pacific Northwest. We're going to Portland We're going to Salt Lake City going all kinds of fucking places contact in the desert We're gonna be at crimewave at c.com slash last go. We're gonna be doing a fucking side stories crews come check it out It's gonna be fucking wild well I've learned nothing and everything I'm just glad I'm a woodhaven boy that never made it out to the island. Hail Satan. Oh, Hail Gim. Hail Preston Nichols. He created a nice story. You know, it's for

except for the Jewish thing. Yeah, I mean everyone slips up a little bit.