Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 620: The Miseducation of Ed Larson - JFK & Government Conspiracies

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

In the mysterious world of conspiracy theory, we're often left with more questions than answers... well, this week Ed's askin' the questions! And Marcus & Henry have the answers! We're diving into the JFK Assassination, the conspiracies surrounding the death of the notorious US President, and MORE on this - The Miseducation of Ed Larson: JFK & Government Conspiracies Edition. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started All right, man, please my dirty boys Man, I miss sliders. Uh, the show? No, no. I miss that show too. That was great.

No. Henry and I had a bunch of great sliders in Detroit and we missed those sliders. What I don't understand is why are there not more slider-based restaurants? We talked about this the whole time while we were eating those sliders. I feel like sliders are being left behind I feel like that should be a new like, you know, cuz we had obviously fancy hot dogs Then we had donuts and there was Korean tacos sliders had their moment when oh and I would say like 2009 no 2015 when was the great slider revolution? We didn't have any money. Yeah, we were poor

Yeah, but sliders are for the people. Yeah, I know I would I Had a bunch of different sliders I would the people. Yeah, I know. When I worked at a restaurant- Did the little sandwiches- I had a bunch of different sliders I would sell at the poor house. That's different. You though, literally, you're the only man I know who was a chef that was at the very forefront of slider technology, and you were doing sliders all the time. I remember when you brought sliders to the poor house.

All kinds of different sliders. But you're the only place where I saw a lot of sliders. I had a curry chicken slider that was fucking awesome I had apple slices on that bitch who went to green dot stables in Detroit They had to fucking fish fry slider was real good. They had a lonely fried baloney. Slider was really good That's fuck. That's what we need back. Yeah, that's it's a why are the sliders everywhere? Are you saying it's a conspiracy? I think it's a government conspiracy. It's a government conspiracy Welcome to last podcast on the left ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Parks

I'm here with the skeptical Henry Zabrasky skeptical as to why these sliders aren't all over the place at all times Who benefits? Quibono. I tell you who benefits the Mexican restaurants No They got tacos and they don tacos, tacos and sliders are ass to ass and they know that they are fighting for oxygen together. You know what I want to shut it down?

They want to shut the slider economy down because they know it's outside of the Fort Knox system. I think tiny tacos should be on the rise. Hey, tiny tacos. Whoa. Well, big tacos. Hold on. You like tiny burgers. Yes. But you don't, tiny tacos. Whoa. Big tacos. So hold on. You like tiny burgers. Yes. But you don't like tiny tacos. Correct. This is a you problem. No, it's not. No, it's not. There are many like me. I am not the only one like me. That's the one thing I have learned. Do you wish that spaghetti was just one big piece? Yes. I would. You would not eat an

entire loaf of just pasta dough. I would, you wouldn't. It's called a lasagna, ladies and gentlemen. And with me, of course, with both of us is Ed Larson. Ed, do you think the slider conspiracy is related to the Federal Reserve? No, I think if it's related to anybody, it's Big Pharma. Okay, all right, Big Pharma. All right, that's good. I would think Big Pharma would be down with the sliders because that would increase diabetes and heart disease and such yes

Well, I know that oh my god. This place called Rock House sliders. Yeah, they just have to look harder I live in Los Angeles one of the big googling. Yeah, we live in one of the biggest cities in America You're gonna be able to find a lighter. Yeah Fucking Australia Fucking shit This is fucking Australia. Sliders. No fucking shit. That's fucking they're ahead of us. We're moving. We're going. I'm bombing Australia. No Bob. I'm there going people doing what you want. No, because they did it first and I won't. No one can have them. I can't today. We're here talking about conspiracies. Of course, we're on our update show. We started a little segment. It was more of a theme of Ed Larson asked questions. Yes. Yeah. No,

it's basically, I mean, I know a lot of this stuff where I have like my own thought on it, especially today, cause we're going to center on government conspiracy. There are other episodes just like this coming out down the road about serial killers and stuff like that Which we have already recorded but this one is about government conspiracies And I know and we'll do what the next one I want to do is on aliens sure of course Can we actually be looped into government conspiracy, but? What I would like to get art done where it says the education of miss ed Lawrence I think that'd be fun. Yes, I think that is adorable. Yeah, so we're so today

We want to talk about government's conspiracies and I wanted to start with what I think is like the biggest Medius one and of course, that's JFK. Yeah the assassination not his You know his accidentally winning the presidency. He didn't accidentally win It just his his older brother was supposed to be the president. He was the shining light He was the one that everybody wanted to do something, but then he fucking died like a pussy. Oh I didn't actually know about this Kennedy's brother died. Oh John Kennedy's older brother was like the The one the family thought was gonna go all the way kind of like Jeb

Uh-huh, like they thought that Jeb was gonna be one to take it and then when he died, it's like JFK essentially Because his family was extremely competitive like they would I hear the father would like make them all like do Debates at the dining room table and do all this shit. He'd raise one in favor and knock one down and then JFK doubled down when he had realized like when he went to war he became like twice the hero, his brother was, they get the same amount of love that his father gave his brother naturally. Yeah, and of course he gained the injuries that possibly caused him to snap back and not be able to duck when he was shot.

Wow! Because he was all metal. Also, Rockhouse Sliders is in Kuwait. Oh, is it? This is a restaurant in Kuwait. Somehow, my first, I typed in Sliders Restaurant, this is a conspiracy, I typed in Sliders restaurant, this is a conspiracy, I typed in Sliders restaurant,

Los Angeles, first thing that pops up is this Kuwaiti, slider-based restaurant. Then why did you think it was Australian? Because it's Deliveroo. Ha shit. Yeah, ass grass fuck shit Yeah, that's the British delivery app. Yeah, the pillars of the English language All right, so JFK We you know we as a group here. I think the three of us we all enjoy and You know we as a group here. I think the three of us we all enjoy and almost lean towards

The theory that Kennedy was accidentally shot by a hungover Secret Service agent definitely my favorite theory It's not what I say happened, but it's my favorite one Yeah, I'll amend that is that he wasn't hungover It's that everyone else in the Secret Service all of the more experienced Secret Service agents, they were all hung over. The guy who was actually holding the gun was brand new and extremely inexperienced and should not have been holding the gun. He should not have been holding the AR-15 that day. That's the whole thing is that they were hung over, he was not.

He was just new and scared. And there's some pictures with him holding the AR-15 and then there's other pictures without him holding the AR-15.'s other pictures without him holding the air 15 yes They said they might have old-school airbrush them out the old way they used to do photoshop Which is essentially they would take the photo white where they would refuck with the actual negative They'd actually scratch it on the negative and then Republish it yeah, and they also like he could have just shot it and then put it down in their two separate photographs Yeah, very much could have been yeah

But to catch everybody up if you haven't listened to our JFK series, it is personally what I think happened is that JFK was killed in the world's most infamous workplace accident is that they were when they got to Dallas the night before all of the secret service agents, the more experienced secret service agents went out to a strip club and stayed there until like 5 a.m. something like that. Yeah. Stayed out very, very late. And so the next day when it was time for the motorcade, they gave the most inexperienced agent a top spot prime spot right up next to JFK. And when they came around Dealey Plaza and Lee Harvey Oswald took the shot took the first shot the Secret Service agent behind him I know I'm skipping over a lot of stuff

here but basically the Secret Service agent behind him got scared he fucked up pulled the trigger and shot JFK in the back of the head and it was actually the Secret Service agent who? Accidentally killed JFK that JFK would have survived the assassination with just a wound Yeah, had it not been for the Secret Service agent and that's off the top of his fucking head Yeah, and that's why two different bullets. Yeah, and that's why there was so much That's why there was so much intrigue around his autopsy why we didn't really ever get like a full report on that. Well, the conspiracy theory then begins at the mortuary. Like it begins after they're doing the medical examination. The cover-up begins immediately.

Yes, because they lost the brain. Well, quote unquote, lost the brain unless they did it on purpose. So this is where- Of course, you don't lose the president's brain. You'd be surprised. We don't know where Einstein's brain is. I saw a slice of it at the Moodle Museum No, dude, that's just you know what that turned out to be. It's ham The shitty ham too, it's the process

But so one big kind of like major motif we have on last podcast on the left with his, which has kind of both made people happy with us and angry with us, which is awesome, which is we believe that most conspiracy theories hinge on human activities in very small juncture points in history, right? Like I view things as happening way more subtly, not as much of a grand plan. More things happen accidentally, either because of human error, or just human agendas to begin with.

Well, one of the things that we like to say again and again is never confuse incompetence for malice. Uh, and that, I believe, is one of the central questions, or one of the central things to keep in mind when it comes to the JFK assassination. Because a lot of people had motive to kill JFK. we did the series you'd cover how like there was definitely A reason why you'd think that CIA might want to kill JFK or total motive to do it Yeah

Why there were the obviously the Cubans and the mafia and all these people that could all come together and one we you know We joked about how JFK was the most killed man ever there was so many people there to kill him but the actual mystery starts the city of Dallas didn't want to make put out a full page article like don't come here go fuck yourself they hated them wanted poster that was circulated yeah oh yeah and Lee Harvey Oswald though did in his own personal diaries wrote several entries pro JFK because JFK was willing to speak to the Russian consulate during the whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing. So he was like, he had little moments in there.

So that's why I believe there was a series of convoluted mistakes slash actual, what you'd call a coverup, but they were very human. So the first coverup happened because they were secret service was fighting with the local Dallas doctor team, the medical team at the morgue when they were working on his body that saying we're going to take the body directly to Washington, D.C. And the head of their the coroner there was like, no, this is a homicide and it happened here in Dallas. So this is my jurisdiction. We're gonna treat it like any other homicide. And they said, no, you're fucking not.

That's the president's body. We're gonna do anything that we want with it, which is why they essentially stole the body. They were fighting over it as they were getting it onto the plane. But we now believe, that's why, but we think that the reason why the cover-up happened here is because the Secret Service were just covering their own

Ass to cover up the biggest workplace accident in American history a world history I would say and and it was because it would have made America look so Foolish, you know, it's because you know work in the Cold War You know the Russians are looking for any reason to say look at how incompetent America is look, look at how awful America is, come on over to our side, like they can't even keep their president alive. It would have looked absolutely fucking terrible for us to, you know, say like, well, yeah, we actually, sorry, we killed the president. But if you've got a guy like Lee Harvey Oswald that's connected to the Soviets, then that

keeps the Cold War going. I also refuse to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was this, because everyone kind of says, oh look, you see now like recent, the new dump of all the JFK documents. But there's nothing in there. No, but there's more, the one thing that is in there is more corroboration that Lee Harvey Oswald

was pinging these various like other communist consulates like he tried to go to see the Russian consulate in Mexico when then he went to Russia and he went back and forth and there's a lot of people that put this sinister filter on it saying you see here he might have been a double agent he was working both sides but if you then read the reports about Lee Harvey Oswald they They all say the same thing. This guy's a fucking idiot We don't he's unreliable and he's showing up drunkenly begging to be a communist and come into russia And then russians are looking at this guy They put him in a little hotel room to watch him when he first comes because they're like what this what is this guy's fucking plan?

Yeah, it seems like he works for our government. Yes. It's like what is he doing? He's he trying what who's he it's cuz what do we know about intelligence services? They famously hire people that are out out of pocket They hire people that have bad reputations so that you automatically Mistrust anything coming out of their mouth no matter what it is It all all sliding together the truth and lies now he was Lee Harvey Oswald was a marine correct Yeah, and he was he a great marksman. It's conflicting results very can actually it's a very it's very conflicting results again and again Yeah, like where some people say that he was some people say that he wasn't

Yeah, it's hard to tell and it's also the idea of like that the gun that he used was not like a very It wasn't a solid gun. It was a cheap mail order gun. There's no way that he could hit it It was a hard shot. It was a hard shot. It was a very hard shot. Oh, yeah, but I was just there It's fucking very hard shot. Yeah, you put your rifle too and that was awesome, too Like what we got surprised what they let you bring in there when we threw the watermelon on the x And you were just able to do First of all surprised Yeah

Because it's very interesting because you look at the window where he shot kennedy from the X and you were just able to just, pew pew pew. First of all, surprised. Yeah. Well, because it's very interesting because you look at the window where he shot Kennedy from, there is a much better shot when Kennedy's coming up the street right towards the window that he didn't take and he took the harder shot as he turned and went down the street. Because he was not a trained assassin.

Yes. And he was just a man with normal boot camp training that also was not particularly good at that. And when he got shot, I also bought one of my big conspiracy theory beliefs is that he was not there to shoot JFK. He was there to kill the governor and that when he shot, he missed the governor. And why would he want to kill the governor? Because the governor was, uh, he was, I forgot what it was.

He was, he was angry about something. This is all from his journals where he was ranting about the governor He was ranting about all this shit, but he was like he kind of did the whole like and fuck you fuck you Jeff Okay, you're cool. But like it's like this very strange He pointedly was angry with the governor, but then on depends on whether or not you believe That was placed. Yeah, I see I a yeah for sure. All Alright, so here's what I want to do. We are, I, now, see, the Secret Service thing makes the most sense to me personally. That's fun.

Same here. But there's no way for us to like truly a hundred percent know that's correct. We'll never know. Yes. So, what I want to do is I want to talk about some other options. Okay. Because I was just there. I was, honestly, had a lovely afternoon.

Wasn't it nice? Yes, and Did you talk to any of the conspiracy theory buskers a little bit? But I didn't want to give that money and so the theory buskers are my fucking Favorite being Henry did actually give a guy 20 bucks once just to hear what he had to say Yeah, and it was all nonsense. Yeah. Yeah, it was all total nonsense, but it was entertaining nonsense Oh very much. I was very I was thankful. It was worth the money. Yeah, yeah, he had a visual aid and everything.

Oh, I bet. Visual aids. You gotta be careful. Discuss it. Gotta wear eyeball condoms. So, all right, so here's the thing. I'm there, I'm walking around the grassy knoll, I see the corner of the fence, and I see the X,

I go behind the fence, it's the perfect shot Yeah, it is like the like perfect fucking shot and we all know he was a very hated man We know that people claim that shots came from behind the fence We have people ducked because they were fucking heard bullets whizzing by them and shit according to their testimonies So who would the other shooters have been? there's a long list buddy very long list I could have been the CIA could have been the mafia Those are the two most likely candidates If you wanted to go if you wanted to get deep into the conspiracy if you're putting some if you have to put somebody

Behind that fence. I would say you'd put the CIA behind the fence. Because Kennedy had recently fired Dulles. Yeah. Because he didn't like what Dulles was doing and he hired, was the guy's name McCone, I think? Was the head of the CIA that Kennedy hired? I actually have the four names, right, of the guys that might have been a part of the team.

Okay, great. Hermonio Diaz Garcia, who was a Cuban exile, right, there's another guy that a good shady didn't know whether or not he worked for the US government or for the Cuban government John Siltra who was a French assassin that was also it apparently also tried to kill President Charles the girl Blackout for us, right? These are part of all I remember all this from back in the day like all these people Because also remember yeah our JFK series was what? 2020 that was five, yeah. Episode 400 or 500? Episode 400.

400, it was the, I remember going into it, the February of COVID. Yeah. And then Jack Cannon is another guy, and Charles Nicoletti. These are all like shady guys that have all been sort of in and out of the JFK story that have either said that they were there planning to shoot JFK

or have been blamed. And a lot of them are just shady, weird, either assets or guys who wanted to be assets that have over time inserted themselves into the story. Do we know that they were in Dallas? There's a lot of stuff, yes, they were essentially. There was a guy named Bill Harvey who worked with Operation Mongoose.

There's a CIA dude who was another guy that said he was orchestrating it. He was the one who put the four of those guys in town. And he said that they were, Operation Mongoose was the ongoing CIA attempt to kill Fidel Castro. Okay. So this guy was a guy who was in charge of that. He said he was putting the team in place in Dallas and inviting them all through separate means. putting the team in place in Dallas and inviting them all through separate means and one of the big theories is that they were all Individually there to kill JFK without knowing it

Yeah, that each one was set up to kill him without the other person knowing that they were all working as a team fail safe You know, it's like if one person doesn't get him then another person will yeah, it's probably good planning. Yeah person. Well, yeah, it's probably good planning. Yeah. Now we know it's the CIA is involved. We know that George Bush worked with the CIA, but later became the director in the seventies and he had worked with the CIA. How do we, is there any chance that he was involved? Well, Herman Walker, HW, HW. Oh, you mean David Copperfield? Yeah. I mean, the Bush family has been involved in conspiracies for decades. Like George Prescott Bush. Yes.

It goes way back to the Nazis and all that shit. Vanderbilt Bush, the other guy. Yeah. Yeah, or Vandervoort. Vander, Vander, Vander something. He was one of those dudes that was a full on there. They built the fucking country Yeah, so I would say I don't then it then ever then ever been a van ever. Yeah, yeah, not van der voort Then the board I think that's that was a that was a street in Brooklyn

But I yeah, I don't think George hw bush I think he was more on the outskirts at that point I don't think he had anything directly to do with it if there was something to be done Well, why would you want your future? CIA liaison president to be remotely involved in something like this. Yeah, so if you are It's a 13 down 13 years down the road You don't even know that he's gonna be the head of the CIA But they are if they are thinking long-term like that that's again So it's you have to think about it one way or the other. So it's either

There is a giant Conspiracy embedded in the intelligence services and the military, right? So let's say if that is real and imagine that they have been planning the fallout from this Since because now you have to look at what are they trying to angle towards like mostly they didn't like this If that is real, then imagine that they have been planning the fallout from this since, because now you have to look at what are they trying to angle towards? Like mostly they didn't like that JFK told them no, they don't like that JFK, the intelligence services didn't like that JFK was going to not allow them to do unfettered warfare in Cuba and across the world no matter what it is that they wanted to do, right?

LBJ seemed I guess to be more amenable to that But he wasn't necessarily like the guy either. Yeah, right So he wasn't real so he also was trying to get out of Vietnam. Yeah, LBJ very reluctantly got into Vietnam That was the last thing LBJ wanted to do. He wanted to focus on the great society. Like Kennedy started Vietnam Yeah, I can't well Kennedy was the one who promised the first people. Yeah the first troops But it even went but there was even stuff involving Eisenhower when it came to Vietnam But yeah, Kennedy was the one who committed the first people and LBJ Escalated it in the Nixon escalated it even more

But yeah, LBJ very did not want to get into Vietnam at all, but you're going this far So again, let's just say they know they don't want any players So again, let's just say they know they don't want any players To be able to not step into place the second that they could get them properly going So I don't think anybody that would be able to make those calls Would have done it or been involved because they would have been kept separate because that's how these That's how they work CIA and NSA work So that the right hand left hand don't know what it is that they're doing or What the other ones doing and it's also my problem with the you know

Sending all four of these guys is like fail safes because with these sorts of operations like the less people know about it The better like you don't want a bunch of guys like that are all involved in this massive gigantic conspiracy like that's part of the reason why like 9-eleven conspiracies don't really wash out because in order for 9-eleven is an inside job in order for that to happen it would take Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people who have all kept quiet Yeah, like to this day and guess what people don't do keep quiet. They just don't I refuse disappear Well, they do but still but who's doing the discipline like that's the thing You got to get people to do the disappearing

And if you're disappearing thousands of people then that means that there are thousands more people like it's It mushrooms out into how many people like this sort of staff that you would need And the sort of people and blind loyalty blind loyal to this idea You don't think do we have enough of that? I know there's enough of that? I think there's enough Americans that are blind loyal to do crazy shit. I mean, look at the military.

But waivers, blind loyalty is also, loyalty is a very funny word. It's like there's something about it. Like we all wanna bank on this. We think of this. It's actually a very toxic concept. Kind of like faith, where it's like, you want something without evidence.

You want prizes without work. You want something without, you want prizes without work you want something with that loyalty believes Oh, these people are gonna adhere to me no matter what but you know what loyalty is funny Loyalty shifts things go back and forth because loyalty not deserving is something you can have a bunch of people Who at first believe in this idea about JFK being eliminated and want them out of the way. Think that the CIA is correct. Think NSA is correct. You want them to work. You want to do all this stuff. But then, on some level, humans change.

Humans like, and if you have so many people in the mix, there's just not, I just cannot believe that there's not one of them that's going to want to spill the beans with the receipts. Well, I think when you talk about loyalty in the military, I think if you look at Vietnam, to bring up Vietnam one more time, how many guys went into Vietnam fully believing in what they were doing and came out the other end giving Senate testimony? You know, it goes like talking about all of- Well when you burn a village, your opinion changes.

Exactly, exactly. If you kill a bunch of whistleblowers, your opinion might change. Yeah, if you're asked to just kill a bunch of peopleblowers your opinion might change. Yeah, if you're asked to just kill a bunch of people then your opinion might change and I think it's the same thing. People do have an upper limit for how much they can handle and how much they can do. And I think that there's just too many people involved or there would have to be too many people involved for the sorts of conspiracies that you know a sort of like JFK like you know get four people in there You know this massive government thing like within the government too many people involved for it to stay a secret this long

Yeah, Oswald so I'm pretty sure we all think that the Oswald was involved He's the one who he definitely took the shot and he does I think he definitely hit the president. Yeah, so With is he a patsy though? No, I think I think that Lee Harvey Oswald was working Entirely on his own as an agent of chaos What about that weird photograph the one with him holding the Russian document and the rifle in his backyard where the shadows don't line up? Like what's the deal? Was that faked or was it? Because he always claimed it was faked. They had said that it was faked. And I could see it possibly being faked again to muddy the waters. Like if you're going to fake it after the fact, it's really just to put more

blame on him and more blame shifted over because the government is obviously very, if they do believe, if they are covering up a Secret fuckup Yeah, having to be a lone gunman is what you want. You want it to be the lone gunman So I could see you pushing some information that way I just think that Lee Harvey Oswald was too much of a talentless fuckup to make history purposefully Yeah, and he probably was gonna spill some beans. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he was gonna spill fuck. He already was spilling beans Yeah, but then of course like Jack Ruby, that's a fascinating side story in itself. Well, that is my next question. Actually. How did Jack Ruby know Oswald? We know he owned a nightclub and he had ties to organized crime. Yeah. Um, but how did

he know Oswald? It's a whole each other personally, right? Maybe that is conspiracy theory. That's real deep in about whether or not you believe that they had any sort of run-ins with each other Yeah, it does sort of seem You could see how a local fat fuck might want to just be a part of the story like again There's more I do think there's a lot of that that I do wish more. Is he a showman like that? Yes, he was a very flashy guy. He's a local known entity He was kind of he thought of himself, but he's like as a mobster kind of guy and a patriot Yeah, and a patriot the idea you like being like you're gonna come into my town

You're gonna come my town kill prison in my town. I killed presidents in this town. Yeah Yeah, well, there's also some really there's some interesting stuff I know we're gonna get to this subject later, but definitely, I don't want to lose this. I learned this recently. There is some weird connections between Jack Ruby and MK ultra. Yes. Were you going to bring that up? MK ultra was next on my list. So let's go for it. Well, the, the weird connection between Jack Ruby and MK ultra is that, you know, Jack Ruby was supposedly gonna at one point like kind of spill the beans and say like okay here's what I had like here

was my connection to it here's what I was gonna like when he was gonna go testify but right before he was about to testify he was visited in prison and I learned this through that book Operation Chaos about the Manson family and the possible CIA connections, which is fucking fantastic. It's both fantastic and frustrating all at the same time. But the guy, just before Jack Ruby was about to testify, he was visited by a man named Jolion West.

Oh wow. Who was a massive part of MK Ultra. He was the guy that fed all the acid to the elephants that day, it took all that. He basically like pumped a bunch of acid or a bunch of acid in elephants until they shit themselves to death. But he visited Jack Ruby just before Jack Ruby was about to testify and then all of a sudden Jack Ruby's lost his mind. Like Jack Ruby he does not like he was not fit to testify after that after this visit from Jolion West who was a central figure in

MK ultra and also had connections to Charles Manson And the clinic that Charles Manson went to in San Francisco before Charles Manson went to Los Angeles Where he did everything that he did. Can I ask you a question? What do you think it was? That he was gonna say? Jack Ruby? I have no fucking clue. I have no idea. That's a part of me that I want to know. There's a part of me that actually wonders if there's more. When we... humans don't like an open loop. Yeah. An open loop is... makes people crazy. Yeah. Right, like, and so what they'll do is jam a bunch of stuff in there to make it, like, I think that a sinister view on this is a much more comforting view than something kind of dumber mixed with more human.

Where what if Jack Ruby is there to say, I had heard about Lee Harvey, he was like a guy, he was kind of in and around, right? He was kind of a local scummy guy, you know, who knows, he could have come to his establishment a couple of times. Kind of, sort of, yeah. But maybe Jack Ruby was even providing more evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was a backwards fucking shithead that couldn't fucking nail a tin can from 25 feet away. Maybe there's something like that.

I don't know, like maybe the idea of, they all wanted to make sure that nobody talked, that nobody talked about it at all. Because if you look at what Jollyon West did to, I'm looking this up, what he did to Jack Ruby. So he goes into, so Jack Ruby had attempted to commit suicide. He's put back in this room.

Did he have cancer? Yeah. Yes. He was like freaking out inside the side of his jail cell So they send in old cryptic. Dr. West to go talk to Jack Ruby. He comes out saying Jack Ruby's completely unreliable He believes that there is a massive Jewish genocide happening. He is he's in a an acute psychotic state He says all this crazy shit, which we have not heard from Jack Ruby. We never heard, he didn't talk about this before, we didn't say this, there was no manifesto,

there was nothing like him talking about what he was connected to before. So I actually think that this is definitely some kind of hack job on Jack Ruby, because he might have known, just like he might have just been another person. I mean like, oh, Lee Harvey Oswalt? That's who you think's the master assassin master assassin like I could definitely see that or if you want to get if you do want to get

a little bit deeper into Conspiracy theory as far as like covering their tracks It is also possible that Jack Ruby was hired by intelligence services to take out Lee Harvey Oswald that Jack Ruby was the real Intelligence services to take out Lee Harvey Oswald that Jack Ruby was the real He was the real patsy because it might have been possible that they wanted to keep Lee Harvey Oswald from becoming any sort of like Communist figurehead Oh definitely know like that They wanted to keep him from like it you know talking and you know and having a hero Because people are gonna want to hear from him Yes, they go kill the fucking president

Everyone's gonna want to hear what he has to say and they might want it They might have wanted to just fucking knit that in the bud and close the loop Wash their hands of the whole thing and say hey everybody let's move on and so Jack Ruby They're saying he had lung cancer that spread to his brain. Yes, so that's why he went crazy You and had delusions so we you know, we can believe that or we could say that was made up as well Well, I mean it's that's the thing just because he has brain cancer doesn't necessarily mean that what everything that he's saying is crazy But he did have chances to talk and it was just he was silenced And he didn't get the chance like we never really heard the full story from Jack Ruby himself

And he died within a year right like that. Yeah, do you think that it's possible? He knew he had cancer and that's why he committed the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald Maybe maybe he was gonna die and he's like fuck it. He never said anything about that though You never think we just didn't hear much from him. Yeah. All right, so we CIA major contender here on the murder of JFK sure if anybody did it it would have been the CIA they definitely wanted wanted to, but I will say they're just not great at doing assassinations. Yeah, you know, they obviously they tried to kill Castro hundreds of times and they didn't get him. Yeah. Now, do you think it was possibly Alan Dulles loyalist because Kennedy fired Dulles. It's possible. It could be.

I mean, I think that there were definitely people I mean there were many many people in the CIA that were very unhappy with the direction that Kennedy was taking things and with The power that Kennedy was trying to take away from them and God if you would have yeah The world would be an entirely different place. Well didn't technically wasn't the one person who technically put a didn't technically wasn't the one person who technically put a leash on the intelligence services Gerald Ford I believe Gerald Ford was the first one that said like you need to report budgets yeah you need to actually tell us what you're doing so up until then they were given kind of impunity to run I think that because what because what we learned from the World War two CIA and

the intelligence services and their win with the Manhattan Project gave them sort of a blank check to kind of do whatever they, they kind of let them do whatever they wanted. Back then they were the OSS. Yes, and so now it's, killing a president affects their job too.

So an assassination is a lot more, affects their job too. So an assassination is a lot more, like you can get a lot more done with psychological use of information than with an assassination. Because if you just shoot a president in the head, unfortunately, like it will also cascade into a bunch of reactions that you can't control.

But if you're looking to control reactions, you have to kind of, with the, you know, the Hegelian dialectic, the idea is you create a problem, the same organization creates the problem that creates the solution so that you can kind of guide the response to both. And so there's, to me, there is like, they get a lot more leverage if they let some psycho nut Communist kill the president and then they ride that for informational psychological warfare It's a lot more effective than then just straight up shooting him in the head and for me But I think to that point is there was mountains of compromise on JFK

Everybody he was coming over everything he was like they said he'd get his medicine He was fucking three chicks a day like he had an Epstein penis like JFK is a nice guy I guess but he had an Epstein penis where he had to be milked three or four times a day. Now do you think that maybe that's all things to discredit Kennedy and make him look like a bad person? No. Because he got the same thing with MLK? All the women know.

There's horny guys. You think so? That was very true. Yeah, yeah. Because JFK was very much an adulterer as was MLK. Yeah, he's a horny guy. Very horny guy. They're stressed.

Yeah. They're stressed, and he... They're stressed, they just look at you... Definitely shouldn't be used against them, but that's the thing, is that they did use... Like, they did use that shit against MLK. Of course. And they could have used that stuff against JFK easily. They could have easily used that to control him.

But that's the thing, they did do it on MLK. They definitely already used that stuff and JFK I feel like they were holding that in its pocket at the time It was really the first time the United States of America. I believe we're like I think our president's kind of hot and I like it. It was like that was before like you remember That's the first optics president. Well, it was the what was it the first televised debate Yeah the first first

Anyone who saw it said Kennedy wanted, anyone who listened said Nixon won. And then Jackie was like Jackie changed the idea of this idea of a of pop culture like a pop culture edge to the popularity of the politician. That was something that not also never really kind of happened before. I know that like technically I guess like Elizabeth Roosevelt people liked her, but it wasn't like Elizabeth Roosevelt her name Eleanor's Eleanor was like an actual politician who was invaluable to the nation Jack Jackie was just hot She was beautiful, but the hats and the fashion are Like like what we were talking about with Anders Bre Bravik and it's kind of shit like that

Fashion and that stuff actually moves way farther than your political actions, especially the United States of America Putting the pop culture with Eleanor Roosevelt Roosevelt was a massive massive political figure but then Jackie showed The power of that other side and what that adds to your political power. She did definitely show that. No, Jackie was beloved, you know, with the whole television special where she brought people into the White House. Like it was it. It was a big deal. She was packing that booty. Yeah, she was. She's gorgeous. Yeah. But she did make JFK far more popular by just her very presence.

Where you see Eleanor Roosevelt could sometimes make FDR less popular because of her more progressive views. Yes, but also, man. She was an actual politician. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. What was, I love my favorite, I know she's the quote machine Eleanor Rosenau. Oh yeah, you never know how, a woman's like a teabag. You never know how strong she is until you put it in the hot water. And then she went like, I remember that favorite quote. She's like, get up. Yeah, my favorite. Stand up and just talk to me like a My favorite Eleanor quote is that you can never you can't be intimidated without your own consent. Yeah, and I think that's one of the most beautiful things I love living by.

All right, so MK ultra we know they're true with this is what they're they train assassins through mind control. They wanted to that's what they wanted to ostensibly Yeah, the one that was one of many many many many many goals for MK ultra So any chance that sir answer hand James Earl Ray Lee Harvey Oswald were victims of MK ultra sir hand sir hand Yeah, quite possibly. Uh, you know, it's not victims right there's Now that there's more evidence showing that Charles Manson might have been at one of these, uh testing Uh areas and then you have uh, ted kaczynski. He was a part of some of this shit It seems that it's not almost there is a,

there seems to be a lot of coincidence that when you fuck with somebody's brain, right? When you drop a bunch of acid in their heads and they don't particularly understand that that is what it is that they're gonna be taking and it's not our fun acid, it's not the stuff we take for fun, it's like an IV

Yeah, that shit's fucking real good. It's gotta be crazy that I think that it It has a tendency to leave behind somebody who is shattered and violent And I think that it's not so much that MK ultra Caused these things is that if they were a part of these things it might not might make somebody who wants to kill a public figure Well, okay. Well at the end of the MK ultra just didn't work. No, okay, so there's no proof that it worked It's not no it did actually that all the proof is that it didn't work. That's why they try to cover up Yeah That it absolutely that they just destroyed the lives of thousands upon thousands of people for for no good reason Based off of a rumor that came from the Soviet Union that the Soviets were doing the same thing.

But MKUltra, it's the interesting thing about MKUltra as far as the sort of people that may have gained access to it, is that Henry mentioned Charles Manson. And it's not necessarily that Charles Manson was an MK ultra experiment so much as Charles Manson may have taken lessons from the MK ultra experiment that he was a part of and used those same techniques to get people to do his bidding, not necessarily to kill for him, because I am still somewhat on the fence as far as whether or not Charles Manson truly did say like okay like go out and kill everyone at the Tate house go out and kill everyone Because it that Manson thing like that's still a knot that we're never gonna untie completely No as far as like what really happened with Charles Manson. He's trying to start a race war, right? No, that was it. No, no, no, absolutely not. That's propaganda from Vince Bugliosi He wanted something that was a nice tight story that he could sell in order to get

Manson to the gas chamber. That's what he wanted. He wanted to make to get to tell a story, a very like a crazy story, to be sure, but a clean story where he could tell a narrative. But Manson did talk about the race war stuff with his followers But it wasn't necessarily about Starting the race war there's a bunch of different theories as to exactly why you know you had the pig stuff and all that One of the theories is that it really is like a criminal

You know it's just a criminal making bad decisions over and over and over again. A couple of weeks before the Tate murders, that's when Gary Hinman was murdered. Gary Hinman was a drug dealer that, what's his name? Bobby Boussolais had kind of had gotten into an argument with, it got into like kind of a disagreement about payment for I think speed to some bikers anyway Bobby Boosley ended up killing Gary Hinman and a couple of weeks before that

Manson had shot a Drug dealer named cameras. It was like Papa like Papa Papa mooch Yeah, yeah, but like he he shot this black guy that he assumed was a part of the Black Panthers wasn't he was just a pimp Like he was just he was just a black guy, but Manson was deathly afraid of the Black Panthers And he was also trying at the same time to get Bobby Bousselet out of prison. That's one of the theories is Because they had written pig at Gary Henman's house to try to blame that murder on the Black Panthers because Manson had the Black Panthers, like he thought he had the Black Panthers on his ass, but they weren't.

They didn't know who he was at all. And then when Bobby Boussolais was arrested, I believe like the day before the Tate murders, either the day before or a couple couple days before, the theory is that Manson told Tex Watson, go get Bobby out of prison. Go do something to get Bobby out of prison. And Tex Watson in his fucked up drug-addled brain. What was the thing he ate? Nightshade.

Yeah, he ate the whole fruit or whatever. It's like a thing that you boil. Apparently that was a big thing with Tex Watson was that they would regularly do Hallucinogens and one was a garbage head Yeah, take anything and they did like a thing was something like a peyote Tile thing where they boiled it they boil all the hallucinogenic tea out of it But then he ate the stuff at the bottom of it And they said he was never the same that he walked around in his hands and feet for a while

And then he came back and he literally was just a fucking psychopath Yeah, and and night. Jay was it was like a bad form of acid. I actually found out we're researching Yeah, I found out that the New York Dolls took it for a little while, too But Tex Watson went out and just they just went way way way too far And it's possible that you know Manson the next night. I can't remember exactly what the narrative was on the the criminal stuff but it's basically it's Making it like making these people complicit as well making everyone complicit in the murder so they don't snitch on each other. It's like kind of a jail tactic.

It's like, cause that's, I watched it, there was a really good documentary series, I think on like Peacock recently about Manson, cause when we did it, we did, when we did Manson, and I really want to redo Manson cause I've learned so much about it since then. Please. We got you, man.

Yeah. Come on, man on man give another shot. But we kind of looked at it as you know from the perspective of like a failed musician you know a failed you know a guy who really just wanted like the whole reason why he talked about the race war was because he wanted to convince a bunch of 18 year old girls to move to Death Valley and write doom buggies all day because that's what he wanted. You just wanted to get Pussy and hang out for most part, but then he was a career criminal. It's too hot in Death Valley.

Yeah, but he loves it out there. He loved the desert. But he may have used like these MK Ultra techniques to kind of control these people, but things got way out of control, way, way, way out of control. And there's also a government conspiracy convolving Charles Manson that he may have been,

that he may have been pushed into it because it said that the asset that the Manson family had was an orange sunshine, which was a government made asset. Yeah, was that real? The real shit. Yeah, and when he was in San Francisco before they came to Los Angeles cuz you know the whole Manson thing it's Like a year and a half. Yeah, and him getting out of prison and them killing the Tate's It's like a year and a half. Okay fucking insane

but yeah, he shows up on the streets of San Francisco out of prison and he basically starts gathering followers starts gathering gathering girls, and he starts becoming a pimp as well, and he starts turning out these girls. All the girls ended up with venereal disease, so they show up at this free clinic in San Francisco that treats venereal disease. But this free clinic is known to be, it is definitely connected with MKUltra. Like Jolion West was there.

Like they were doing, like Jolion West was like doing tests in San Francisco So Charles Manson and Jolion West were probably you know there together And it's seeing you kissing and one of the conspiracy theories is that they? use Charles Manson to Effectively kill the 60s to kill the the hippie movement, to make it look... That's the whole thing about Operation Chaos, is like, let's make this thing eat itself from the inside and make it implode, basically. Because they don't like it when we come together.

Nope. And they didn't like electric guitar. Nope, they hated electric guitar. But that's one of the... and then after, you know, Charles Manson was basically given these techniques or he was maybe pushed in the right direction. That's when he went down to Los Angeles and you know hooked up with Brian Wilson and things just worked out the way they worked out. I mean it's a it is definitely a long road to walk from that San Francisco Clinic to you know them murdering you know five people at the Tate house or five or six I can remember. But to murdering all those people at the Tate house. But there are other

really interesting things about it when it comes to the conspiracy, you know, world and Charles Manson where, you know, Manson was on parole. He didn't, he wasn't supposed to leave San Francisco. He left San Francisco. He went to Los Angeles and his parole officer was like, ah, go ahead. Let him like yeah he got arrested multiple times every time let him go let it get him out get him out let him go you must have been so annoying oh these are the human factors we're talking about here's a fucking pain in the ass weirdo dude at the time he was there for like drugs and pimping so tiny but you look at him You're like guys harmless. Who's gonna hurt five?

But no he was he was let go again his people were arrested and let go it was there is a You know it does seem like there was a directive from somewhere from someone to say This group of people leave him. Let's see what he does. But yeah, let's see it, like, for no, and no one can, like, and that's the thing about Operation Chaos, what makes it such a fascinating book and such a frustrating book, and the author very much copps to this, is that he just kept running

into these dead ends, where he would think that he would get on, you know, the right right track and then he just hit a dead end. But there's just like so many questions of like somebody on high like and he proved this with paperwork. Somebody from on high did say leave the Manson family alone. Leave Charles Manson alone. If you arrest him let him go. Anytime his name came up in the system was like get him out of here. Let him go anytime his name came up in the system was like get him out of here

So there was somebody that had invested in the government that had a vested interest in what Charles Manson was doing We also now know for a fact that CIA definitely was plugged into the Laurel Canyon scene was plugged into all these different areas Right. They definitely were so then you partially kind of wonder Was every member of the Manson family a genuine member of the Manson family? Was anybody member like that's where conspiracy theory could maybe come out Maybe part of the reason why he's saying leave them alone is because they're dead in the center of a bunch of Essentially a dead intelligence op that they don't understand that they're in the center. Was there anyone that didn't go to prison? Well, there was was it Sandra good I believe also people There was was Sandra good. I believe also people

There was one that turned state with the one who told the whole helter-skelter story I don't think I think she may have gone free I think there was one of them the devil but that's the whole thing is like the helter-skelter story Like there's a whole part in the book where it kind of talks about how the helter-skelter story was Created where when she was first arrested She wasn't talking about it at all And then at as time went on the helter-skelter story sort of became Something that was it got put at the forefront of everything when in fact it was just something It was just another crazy thing that Charles Manson was talking about to try to get people to do what he wanted them to do

It was a control thing. It wasn't necessarily it wasn't about starting a race war at all And now the the CIA and the US government doesn't need to do big ham-fisted We're gonna dump acid into the water we're gonna do all these things to kind of fuck with people because now they have the Total complete control of the flow of information. So now they can really fuck with us and I think that that's kind of one of those things that I'm trying to explain more to people is that they don't need an MKUltra to fuck with us. We are fucking with ourselves. Look at us reacting to the, you know, however

you feel like the idea that we had an objective reality five years ago. We have a novel virus that is fucking with society and no one's happy about it. No one likes it. And look at how we reacted to it. They don't need to fuck with us. They don't need to fuck with us from within.

Human beings' natural paranoia and lack of media literacy alone is enough to manipulate millions of people Oh, no, they I mean they use the stuff that's been coming up about Facebook like especially like recently with the Release of that whistleblowers book, you know The stuff that comes about how closely the Trump administration worked with Facebook to micro target people, to micro target like certain demographics, like the people who are now at the right hand of power, you know, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, like those are the true conspiracies. You know, those are, that's the true stuff that is being used by the people in power

to control us. That's being, that is how they finally figured it out. And they're really. Oh, yeah. And the thing is, somebody the wrong guy read Snow Crash a long time ago is what we're seeing. The thing is that they are so incredibly good at that. And that's as far as governments go, like when you look at the United States government and when you also look at the Soviet government, or not Soviet, the Russian government and the Soviets back in the day, is that what, as far as conspiracies go, these people are masters at manipulating humans

and masters at manipulat- Like they understand human nature and they understand how to manipulate us to get what they want. But when it comes to getting humans to actually do things, and when it comes to like putting them together in these like massive operations That I don't think they're anywhere near as good at like I really don't but they are very good at whipping us up And they're real because if you look again and again

Throughout history when you look at people that are able to whip up big segments of the population Like they get into power they get into control, but it always to a Fucking letter ends in absolute and utter complete chaos Yeah, every single time it ends in chaos and it ends in death and it ends in massive disasters and massive destruction For the like we saw it happen again and again throughout the 20th century It happens that they know how to whip us up They know how to manipulate us, but when it comes to actual plans No, they they do not have that under control I had I was reading really interesting book about how they're part of the reason why I think they can't directly control who we are

It's because we have this thing called consciousness so consciousness They don't really know. Like the question always is, where does consciousness come from? What you know, but it's never been the real question is what is consciousness good for? Why is it an evolutionary part of what humans have? Why was it what was it a thing about it that made us superior to the other animals in order to do this and that's why consciousness because there's one side It's like we view it as a great gift But what actually was actually a massive problem human consciousness was a mistake it was

Maybe that problem is that that I that personality that thing that what we call the you know and when you do mindfulness They talk about the observer, right? So you, when you go away into mindfulness, when you go away into a meditative state, there is a, when you're deep, deep into it, the idea is that you're trying to get to this idea that you're looking at the observer of your own mind, which is there is a, that, that voice, the thing that talks about the thing that makes you Eddie or the things that that kind of makes us what you are But they also fuck it deeply fucks up Actually good decision-making. Yeah, like consciousness is actually a massive hurdle It's a huge energy suck for our bodies and it really fucks up a quote-unquote What's the best way to make a best decision? Like if you look at how our consciousness acts unconsciously, like you know, the idea that we don't, your brain is

making the move the half a second before your arm moves, your brain knows it's making a decision. These are the types of things that make human beings behavior extremely unpredictable. And at the very bottom of that, that very, very bottom, that is why the state, why the concept of a giant overarching conspiracy controlling human behavior will never shake out because humans are, you can throw game theory, you can throw, they try to do every time and they're always like, huh, but they,

you never really expect it, you know, like look at all the people polling, all the politicians, polling all the shit. Humans just make decisions in the moment. All the time. Well it's like people are predictable, a person is unpredictable. Yes. As a whole people, yeah.

And you know with consciousness and all that, I mean like consciousness changes with a brain injury. You know, like it's just like your personality can be one thing and then like you get zapped or you fucking get hit by a car and you're a different human being for the rest of your life. Oh yeah, man. You know, and so that's what, you know, MK ultra was probably going for. Now I wanted to go back for two seconds. I know, I know we're, we're getting down to the wire here, but now I wouldn't, you know, cause the sixties are the most interesting part to me. I think think I think they're they're they're so crazy Everyone always talks about how like this is the worst time in history. It's like this is really fucking bad. They're crazy

Oh, they were just very very crazy nuts. Yeah, I actually I learned a Term today that never heard before it's called the cool zone Yeah, where it's a you're living through a period of history That's very cool to read about in the future, but at the time it really sucks. And then we are at this moment, like we're edging closer and closer towards the cool zone. Yeah. No, for sure. Now how it's Surin Surin James Rowe Ray, you know, obviously, you know, huge figures in changing history. Yeah. Are we, how certain are we that they worked alone? We don't know. obviously, you know, huge figures in changing history. Yeah. Are we, how certain

are we that they worked alone? We don't know. Yeah, we don't know. I mean, James Earl Ray, I would say probably he says he does. He didn't, but you know, how are you supposed to believe anything he says? Yeah. You know, you can't, you know, killing Martin Luther King jr. At the time. Again, I don't think it's as a, I just don't think it's as effective as people think it is Yeah, and it's not like with Kennedy. There's not like a magic bullet. There's nothing, you know, there's no crazy things like that It's pretty cut and dry Yeah He had a target on his back and they went for it and when you kill those but also with the CIA knows and stuff is

A lot of times if you kill those guys they're moved. Look at what happened their movement Blows up. Yeah, so it's the same thing. It's like it's but there There is a there's way more nefarious more capable things in assassination Yeah, now I know is that if RFK wouldn't have been killed. I don't know if we would be Arguing over whether or not autistic people are persons right now. Yeah, we might like things might have been different. Yes Oh, you know, they changed they definitely changed it But again, it's coming against that which is it's another example of so you were your big the new government's conspiracy theories at the weakest Members of our society are the ones fucking it up

Yeah, which I think is really shitting the idea that trans people and people with with autism are the problem which is literally They are fucked. They're fucked. They're notoriously peaceful. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, whatever. It's more just they're fucked. That's the fascist playbook, and it's been like that for forever.

It's like, it goes all the way back, you know, to blaming Jewish people for conspiracies, is that they're at the same time, the most cunning, evil, you know, brilliant people in existence and they're also, you know, subhuman dogs that, you know, can't get anything right or ruining the entire planet. Like that's how that's always the fascist playbook, the double thing. Like that and it's it's the exact same shit that we're seeing right now.

I'm just glad that we can tell our employees with autism. They don't have to pay taxes All right, I mean we don't have to pay them as well do we have to pay taxes as well? Yeah, we got paid Yeah All right last one. I just need to I I It's too big. We could just tell me to go fuck myself, you know, but Marilyn Monroe killed by the government. Yeah, I Don't think so. You don't think so. He's just a straight-up drug overdose I think that the she was killed by the government and the fact that she fucked the United States the president United States of America And it did ruin her life. Yeah, I think that that's what you could mean by killed the government. I don't killed by the government

I don't think that they needed to whack her to ruin her life. Yeah, and I think that being involved with the Kennedys Automatically ruined her life. I think that the everything that was attached to them became poisonous everything because everything changed They used her she was she was an innocent. She was an innocent woman that Was attracted to these people? I mean, I mean I I never agree with but you shouldn't infant like we shouldn't infantilize Marilyn Monroe No Marilyn Monroe was a brilliant woman Great actress she was able to manipulate pretty much all of men Beautiful I think Marilyn Monroe is a was an extremely Miss she's a misunderstood person. She is she was not manipulative at all. Like she just

And she is, she was not manipulative at all. Like she just didn't know what to do with herself. She was so smart and she was very, she's intense and beautiful and emotional, but she was attracted to a type. Powerful. Powerful. And so those were her types and she had access to that. And so she got access to it.

And I just think, again, I just think we put a lot of stank on this idea that these people need to be assassinated when it's like I think They don't they knew that she was cruising for bruising anyway, and if she needed to If she was gonna spill the beans she was gonna be dead one way or another. Yeah, I think that she Legitimately was just really sat in by the shakeout of everything and committed suicide. Any legitimacy to the theory that she was pregnant with JFK or RFK's child? I don't think so. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think most, at the end of the day, most conspiracies are there because we don't like the reality. We don't like the reality. Like we don't like the reality of what happened. Like we don't like the reality that like this woman who supposedly had it all could still be, you know. Sad enough to kill themself. Yeah, sad enough to yeah, die by suicide.

It's like those are the realities we don't like to think about. We don't like to think that one You know crazy fucker. You know one asshole. You know with a vendetta or one asshole who wants to be famous Can change the course of American history, and we definitely don't like to think that it can be changed even further By complete and total happenstance We don't like to think that there was you know a group of people in a cave in Afghanistan That could bring America to its knees

You know like it's so incredibly easily like we don't like to think about these things because it makes the world Such a scarier place it makes it scary to live in it makes it scary to live in our own heads You know like if you think that you know Marilyn Monroe But if you think like well if that woman can't if she can't survive this life How the fuck can I you know like if you think like that you know these people and you know And Afghanistan can bring the entire government and honestly they won. I mean they yeah, they did it Every single fucking goal that they had yeah They destroyed American supremacy across the world did everything that they were supposed to be brought They did we fell for it hook line and sinker. Oh god, right as soon as it happened I was like this was done, but this could have been done by five people. Yeah, you know, it's one of those things again

Just it doesn't that's why like on one hand. Yes a conspiracy Does take a lot of people but you know think about it in the 9-eleven conspiracy. They're all dead Yeah, so everybody that was involved in that side of it in terms of the people that might could have talked about who? Would have paid for it. They're all fucking dead. We've never seen Osama bin Laden's buddy You don't know any of this type of shit So it's like there was a couple of guys you know like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed You know like we did there were definitely guys that we got yeah, we're like that we took alive But I'm just saying this is the next episode

9-eleven is our next conspiracy episode YAY! Let's do it in September we took alive. But I'm just saying, this is the next episode. 9-11 is our next conspiracy episode. Yay! Let's do it in September. That's a great idea. Oh, it's actually perfect for when we go on break. Yep. All right, so next time, 9-11, after that, COVID. Great. Perfect! Can we talk about it soon? You know, we're getting there we're really getting there personal experiences I'm honestly guy. I'm getting ready to talk about. Yeah. Oh, yeah guys. Well, thank you so much for talking to me about these things It's good to really like bounce the ideas off. I still think our theory about the the workplace accident

ideas off. I still think our theory about the the workplace accident holds the most water. It does. I think it's just I just think it to me it's so funny because everybody thinks that the other way like I think it's so interesting. Yeah it's so much more interesting. Yeah and it's the one that has actually the most evidence behind it. There's a ton of evidence behind. I mean I know there's some people say that there's some contradictory evidence but yeah there's contradictory evidence for everything and this is the one for me that makes the most sense It makes more sense than Lee Harvey Oswald like that's Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone makes more sense than the CIA Killing him but the Secret Service agent accidentally shooting JFK in the back of the head makes more sense than Lee Harvey Oswald Getting both shots off. Yeah three three shots, right? Total? Yeah.

Yeah, bitecatering.net also has a slider bar option. Oh, okay. I'm looking at this, it's in the LA area, so maybe if you need it. I'll make you sliders, all right? I'm just thinking about sliders. If you would've came to Easter, I had ham sliders for everybody.

I was asleep. Yeah, you fucked up. I was too asleep. You were gonna have ham and cheese with mustard sliders yesterday, but you chose to stay home. You know what's weird? I say that on a ham and cheese with mustard sliders yesterday, but you chose to stay home You know what's weird. I say that on a ham and cheese that to me is just a little sandwich It's not a slider when you put it on a slider bun, but I feel a slider is different than a little sandwich

Yeah, I agree with Henry here. That's a little sandwich Wow. I think he never does fucking fools No, I think that I don't believe the whole episode now I don't believe the whole episode now And I know I definitely like said some shit that was wrong Just like I know I definitely said some shit that was wrong here and there, but it's good spirit see but yeah Yeah, you know it's just we're having fun here. Go check out green dot stables Detroit area It's one of my favorite slider restaurants. I've ever been to I love that place got that fish fries My favorite slider restaurants I've ever been to I love that place got that fish fries And thanks to everyone out in Detroit who came out to our show it was such a fun fucking time I love Detroit so much. Yeah, best record stores in the country. The Motown Museum was a fucking blast

We love Detroit so much. We love you. We know you're like you're fucking you're you're pulling yourself up from the bootstraps We're here to fucking support you Detroit. We know you're like you're fucking you're you're pulling yourself up from the bootstraps. We're here to fucking support you Detroit We love you. It's gonna be a great city in like five. It's a great city now But it's gonna be like a truly like great like current like Mecca in America I utterly ten years utterly love Detroit and it's just wonderful to be there and I just thank God we get to do shows Free the RoboCop statue. I'm sick of this shit the robo cop statue. I'm sick of this shit. And if you want to see video episodes of this show or watch last stream on the left live, go to patreon.com slash last podcast on the left to become a member. Check out all of our socials at LP on the left on Tik TOK and

Instagram. And don't forget to come out to all the other shows we got going on this year. Go to last podcast on the left.com for all the dates, but but Ed's gonna tell you about a couple of them. That's right. Well currently this is Friday I'm in Key West. Okay fucking get your ass to my show if you if there's happenstance that you are in Key West I am there Friday Saturday Sunday doing badass shows a comedy Key West come check it out. But next month Oh my god, we are booked for the rest of the year we are right June 28th Atlanta Georgia the Coca-Cola Roxy July 12th Salt Lake City Sandy amphitheater August 8th Charlotte North Carolina the night theater August 9th Durham North Carolina the Carolina theater September

20th st. Paul Minnesota the Palace theater October 11th Pabst theater in Milwaukee, Wisconsin October 25th Oakland California the Fox theater November 29th, Cleveland, Ohio the Masonic temple December 12th and 13th We're in Portland, Oregon at Revolution Hall. It is gonna be amazing Also, we got side story shows attached to Atlanta at Dad's Garage on June 29th. And then of course, Henry and I, the beautiful crime wave at sea. Go and see it. crimewaveatsea.com slash last. We're going to have so much fun. You're going to die out there. That's right. So come on a cruise Henry and I are doing side stories three nights of shows

It's gonna be a blast. So come check it out And we love you guys. All right, you fuckers. Hail sweet Satan. Oh, how do you hail Marilyn Monroe? Yeah, I love her Yeah, I like to go watch some like it hot. Yeah, am I my week with Marilyn was a really good movie I don't know if you guys checked it out. I've seen it. It was very good