Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 625: The Toy-Box Killer : Redux Part I - Aren't We Devils?

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

The boys take it back to the OG days with one of their first subjects covered way back when… we’re crackin’ open the old toy box for a full-on gold star redux on David Parker Ray a.k.a. The Toy-Box Killer (and his Torture Lab of Terror), this time diving even deeper into the life of one of New Mexico’s worst villains often described as one of the most sadistic killers in American History. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

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James Cudges loves all the super pets. Well, there's crypto, the super dog. There's Comet, Comet, the super horse, Streaky, the super cat and Beppo, the super monkey. I remember Beppo. And then then and then doesn't Wonder Woman get Fucked by the horse Wonder Woman does get fucked by the horse, but with consent yeah excellent And that was turned into bowling is and it becomes book at the back. That's cute You know I really want to a lot of people have been saying recently that I

Look like one of Eileen Wuornos's victims slash customers Due to my new look. Yeah your new look. Yeah, you've had a mustache for a very long time now He's talking about the curtains. I got the skull it going I got sort of like this is a whole like I've been driving for eight days. This is why I've been shaved I haven't showered. Yeah, you look like fat Nicholson I want to be fucking it's fat Milkerson I want to get in there, but I just feel like I'm like

Milcherson I want to get in there, but I just feel like I'm like Actually, I feel like I'm more like this is truth or consequences Henry Zebrowski. This is absolutely truth or consequences Henry Zebrowski, I feel like David Parker raised like like caterer Shows up like he knows me you don't know what's going on, but you know what's going on. David likes it freaky. But also he loves my turkey picante. Which I tried to bring down, it's a nice, it's a Tex-Mex little mix right there. And David just slurps it right up on when he was watching the dog having sex with the woman. I imagine he just has, you know, Slim Jim's and SpaghettiOs as his only meal. That's his favorite. He likes his sticks and his squigglies.

That's all he likes. Well, last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I am here with Henry Zebrowski, the man, the New Mexico citizen possibly. Yes. I hope you like green sauce. That's my New Mexico voice New Mexico Henry's a rescue. Hope you like your sauce green. It's an incredibly strange accent That's actually did listen to a lawyer from New Mexico say would you like chilies on your burger you want chilies on your burger there son They killed my daughter

Son he killed my daughter Mexico I'm not certain but I do think I appear like a man of culture I do believe that if you were to see me on the street, you're like, that's a guy who Pays to eat ass and can tell what kind of ass he's gonna eat by looking at the pants You know, he knows what asses in the pants looking at the pants. You know he knows what ass is in the pants. Of course we also have with us a man I don't know your opinions on asses tastes pants or whatever it's Ed Larson. I think asses are fine to look at but not to eat. Hey I just like personal preference. Personal preference slapping is good. I just want to be involved. Slapping and grabbing I enjoy. I just want to be there. Yeah, yeah. I tell you what I'm not looking forward to is these next couple episodes.

Yay! You know, Eddie, you'll see. Eddie, you're going to love it, Eddie. Just think of Harley. Oh, yes, I will. I'll think of Harley and her tied to a kind of college's table. Yeah! Come on!

This is old school, buddy. We about to get nasty as all hell! Yeah, no, this is really awful. I listened to the tape. It's part of our redux series. A redo! Us going back and taking another swipe at stuff that we did long, long, long, long, long ago before we knew what the fuck we were talking about today. We're gonna be redoing and starting off on the foul

Incredibly disgusting and disturbing journey of David Parker Ray he Truly a New Mexico romantic Now he ain't afraid of no ghosts, right No, no. This is the mix up here. We have to set this at the very, very top. There is David Parker Ray. Serial killer, sexual scientist. Then there is David

Ray Parker. Actually, it would be Ray Parker Jr. Ray Parker Jr. That's the guy that made Ghostbusters. And he's the guy that I was on set with him on when I did A to M. And he told every woman on set that he'd be glad to put a son inside them Same club yeah, but we only know one of them is Boston

David Parker Ray because he was almost completely impotent. Look at there. David Parker Ray, better known as the Toy Box Killer, was an American serial murderer and rapist who operated out of the small lake community of Elephant Butte, New Mexico. Throughout the 1990s, Ray is suspected of abducting and murdering up to 60 women in a homemade soundproof above-ground torture dungeon that lay in plain sight of the community a dungeon that Ray called what else but his toy box Because of David Parker Ray's cargo trailer turned torture chamber Ray has the reputation of being one of the most sadistic serial killers in American history of being one of the most sadistic serial killers in American history, perhaps most infamous for the pre-recorded tape he would play for his victims before the torture began that

explained what was about to happen. But even if you don't think David Parker Ray is one of the worst serial killers, he was, at the very least, a world-class pervert. A man who would make the marquee de sade blush with the sexual tortures he inflicted upon others. And just so everyone knows, this is a full Gold Star series from beginning to end. Unless of course this makes you horny. Then it's you love this.

Well then we call that a red light series. Yes. And you need to get therapy. Hey, that's a good way for you to know when you gotta go Yeah, now what's the difference between a heavy hitter and a gold star? Heavy hitter is something kind of a guy that everybody knows And a gold star is something that contains the most disturbing material that you could imagine Yeah, cuz there really aren't like any like real docks on this guy, and I think it's because it's so upsetting.

It's how it usually happens, yeah. The ones that are so upsetting, the ones that are really just fucking disgusting, they don't tend to make the A&E documentaries about it. Netflix tends to not touch that. And in fact, when Netflix does make serial killer documentaries, usually they tend to skip over the more disgusting shit, like that Ted Bundy bullshit that they did where they just completely skipped over Him having sex with decomposed heads and putting makeup on the head so they looked pretty good They just skip over all that shit. We don't do that here. No, that's what sells tickets Yes, yes, but David Parker Ray also had very little hard evidence in court when you will get to the end of the series They're not just the end of the series. We're about to get into it right now.

Oh, yes. There's very little evidence to pin him to any form of these crimes. And even like one of the worst parts about sexual assault and and prosecuting sexual assault is first convincing a jury that sexual assault even happened if everybody involved is a sex worker. So like this is we already so you're saw you're watching it happen in real time in the diddy trial But this is one of those that that's the reason why there's very little Straight-up documentary footage on him is because most of the thing that would involve witness testimony nobody showed up to give yeah And I think didn't his uh didn't his defender Defense attorneys say that it was all consensual They always did yes that was especially with who was in the court and we'll get to it

Yeah, well, I mean one of the things that makes David Parker Ray special in the annals of serial killer history Is that while there is no definitive evidence or even any bodies linking him to those 60 some-odd suspected murders There's also little doubt that David Parker Ray Committed those murders the reasons behind that assumption are of course manyfold First the crimes that David Parker Ray committed in his toy box crimes that we know Happened for a fact not only because of witness testimony, but because of videotape he made himself. These crimes are so sadistic, so evil, and so deviant that it is ridiculous to think that he never escalated

to murder multiple times. Furthermore, while David Parker Ray did release many of the women he tortured in his toy box after scrambling their memories with a cocktail of mind-breaking drugs, the evidence shows that Ray tortured dozens, if not hundreds of women within the box's confines. Therefore, it's also ridiculous to think that his drug cocktail worked on them all.

It definitely did work sometimes, don't get me wrong, we have evidence for that. But the fact that no victim ever reported David Parker Ray to the police prior to the escape of his last abductee That shows that he most likely murdered many of the women he kidnapped Now my last point and perhaps the most important one when it comes to the bodies This comes from the perspective of a close personal friend of mine a buddy of mine from my days at Texas Tech named David Ward Oh, I thought you were gonna say David Parker Ray, Jr. I thought you were talking about your best friend that you were connected we used to hang out in New York all the time.

Yes. Sure yeah. Dave's perspective is special because he not only grew up spending his summers at Elephant Butte Lake he also spent that time at his grandparents trailer Which was located just two doors down from where David Parker Ray did everything we're about to discuss While David Parker Ray was doing it is it called elephant Butte Lake because it looks like an elephant sat down on New Mexico I don't know Henry. What do you think? Okay, I know that it's a man-made lake that it was it's new I don't know why they call it elephant Butte That's all I was asking So your buddy Dave he never heard screaming did he just think it was an owl? He knew absolutely nothing.

Nobody knew anything about this guy. Like Dave's grandfather, his grandparents like own that trailer out there and you know, they spent summers out there. He said that his grandfather would chat with David Parker Ray. Like you know, his grandfather was an electrician. David Parker Ray was a mechanic. So you know, they'd talk shop. He was just like the way Dave described him because Dave had a lot of interactions with him. He called him. Mr. Ray

He's like that Southwestern human cigarette You know the guy with just you know, the deep gravelly boys kind of a curmudgeon But you know, you don't really get a feeling from just like just some fucking guy. Yeah beef jerky Jeff Foxworthy Speed limits on them Spain limits a challenge He said he was kind of a debt like kind of a curmudgeon that's about all he would say yeah Cuz he wasn't fucking your idea how annoyed he was when he wasn't fucking Yes, I know lots of people who don't fuck and they're perfectly fine human being I know lots of people who don't fuck they're perfectly fine human beings

Got to be fucking currently in order for him to feel good. Well, I mean really also you think screaming women sound like owls Let's move forward So you just saying you have you heard an owl that sounds like a screaming one? Well when an owl attacks it screams to to It sounds like a screaming one well when an owl attacks it screams to to To to scare its prey and the prey usually stands still when the owl screams Yeah, he knows about animals and don't fuck with him on animals. He knows what he's talking about It's about it's comparing it to the dead women to the dead tortured women, right? That's my main issue right now the trailer was soundproofed. Okay Are we all satisfied? I am.

I asked my questions. Well, I mean, the information that I got from Dave, you know, like the stuff about, you know, knowing David Parker Ray is important, but the more important stuff that I got from him was about Elephant Butte Lake itself. Okay. Like from what he told me about Elephant Butte Lake, there's nary a spot in America that was better suited to being the home base of a serial killer who wanted to make the bodies of his victims disappear forever. And wasn't that written on the sign when you come into Elephant Butte Lake? I'm pretty certain.

It has one of those population signs that constantly rotates. It's like a flip thing that they can take it. I constantly rotate. Well, you know there are some serial killers who want bodies to be found who leave bodies in certain places to be found to be found Specifically and then there are some like David Parker ray who never want them found Do you think there is a chance that he killed nobody? No, no, okay No Not with the what we'll see is it's really the the circumstantial evidence is a pile of jewelry and clothing and and trophies Okay

Elephant Butte is a man-made lake filled with the muddy brown water of the Rio Grande and Speaking to someone who also grew up around one of these man-made lakes mine was Lake Stanford I'll say from experience that you can barely see your own hand in front of your face Once you put your head below water ain Ain't nobody should be making legs for God. And Iran and Pakistan. Unless a body floats to the surface, no one's ever going to see it once it goes into the water. But more important than the murkiness of the water is the dam system that created Elephant Butte Lake. The dam system that created Elephant Butte Lake. The dam system? No, the dam system.

That goddamn system forcing me to live in Elephant Butte Lake. The system of dams that created Elephant Butte Lake. Excuse me, that was my fault. Damn, damn, damn, damn. Well, this lake dams into another body of water called Caballo Lake, which itself runs back into the Rio Grande River. That means horse lake. Very good Henry.

The Rio Grande of course flows into the Gulf of Mexico. What does Mexico mean Henry? Mexico. So if David Parker Ray was killing women and dumping their bodies into the lake, the corpses could have very well floated all the way out to the ocean and That's even if they weren't chewed up after passing through two dams and that's the things that people did find chunks and Elephant Butte Lake they did find like little pieces here and there

But it just now just jump. Yeah, you look like someone faked titty fell off. Yeah. All right over here Someone lost a fake leg. Man, I gotta say, we gotta cull some of these fake body parts, they are confusing the police. All right, I'm dealing with here, I got a pair of titties, I got two legs, I got no blood. The other interesting aspect of this case, when it comes to Elephant Butte, is that while this lake

is not necessarily party central central it's definitely a place where the party atmosphere is ever present But not in the fun spring break senior frog sense. Yeah, this is a very southwestern form of partying Well, you might call long form party. That's a good term for yeah, where the beer cans got bite marks on the side of Yeah, where the beer cans got bite marks on the side of it. Yeah. The herald of party. This creates an atmosphere where alcoholism is widely accepted, if not outright encouraged, and drug abuse is somewhat waved off just so long as it doesn't become your neighbor's problem.

But since there are so many people partying in ways that can lead to dark places David Parker Ray did not act as a lone wolf when it came to both his sexual deviancy and the murders that were committed at The lake Ray had an entire crew of people in elephant Butte who? Participated in his crimes from buddies to girlfriends to his own fucking daughter and going by the testimonies of survivors And the people who were there, every single one of these people joined in on Ray's extracurricular activities consensually. I gotta say when I was trying to organize an S&M fuck club that tortured murdered women, when I was in Tuscaloosa, everybody rejected me. And when I was in San Antonio, everybody said, no way, Dave! No way, it wouldn't work here, Dave! Then when

I got to Elephant Boot, my people arrived! And I knew that we as a community could come together and make the change we want to see. We can all group kill sex workers together by our actions, not even on purpose, even accidentally. We will kill dozens of women. Am I right, folks? Am I right, my young daughter? Nah. Ah, Jesse, I love you. So you moved from Tuscaloosa to elephant but where

the Tuscar tighter reminds you of the zoo. That's where I want to put my women. That's been said again and again that David Parker Ray and his accomplices were active members of a satanic cult. But what Ray and the others had going on here could not by any definition of the word be described as cultish. Rather, what you had here was more of a club that used Satanism as a party theme. Really, you could have substituted anything as the backdrop of Ray's sexual perversions.

You could have used the fucking Thundercats and the outcome would have been exactly the same. In other words, this was not Kruger's Dorp where one svingali pushed other people towards doing shit that they wouldn't have done otherwise. Instead, this was a group of people who were all turned on by extreme sexual deviancy and not the fun kind of extreme sexual deviancy. This is the morally and legally wrong variety and rather than being a leader, David Parker Ray was more like the president of the club who owned the lodge

It's like a prime minister That's kind of more my thing all right my favorite thing is fucking a girl until she calls me snarf Yeah, they just need stuff to do there. I think you know like Get this town a water park They got the lake. Yeah, they got the lake. It's a scum filled hole It is a scum filled hole. It's actually down to like 9% right now. It's there's a there's problems That's the I mean that is actually one of the things that they keep hoping for that is that that's like the silver lining of like Well, yeah, you know what Southwest waters really disappearing at a very rate. We really did put way too many people out here that should not

have been here. We built a civilization where civilization should not exist, but eventually global warming will lead us to finding the bodies of serial killer victims, so that is something to look forward to. Honestly, it's kind of nice the heat wave is really helping us crack a bunch of cold cases Now before we get into the story of David Parker a and the people who joined him in his deeds most foul Let's acknowledge our source for this series today. We've got cries in the desert by John Glatt Who else who also wrote one of the books we use in our Laurie Vallow and Chad Daybell series He wrote a doomsday mom, I believe. John Glatt sounds like a guy who lives an unpleasant life Sounds like a guy who makes his family miserable. We love you John and

We feel for you. You know he ends every conversation is glad to know you Hey, just so you know hey names John Glatt if you die by a cult murder have your family hit me up alright I I got a book idea for you Not glad disappointingly he does have some of the same outmoded and offensive attitudes towards homosexuality That a lot of true crime authors have for some bizarre fucking reason that I've never figured out But the book is nevertheless what you call a meat and potatoes true crime narrative you know what it is it's I call a meat and potatoes true crime narrative. You know what it is it's I think a lot of it is a

not definitely a deep not understanding and also like an appliance of like It's almost like a homosexuals exist in a mysterious Cryptic world. Yeah, like that's always this idea that every homosexual is some like they have like a bunch of deviant friends And they do weird group parties all the time Yeah, deviancy is the key word here. Yeah, and I think a lot of true a lot of these true crime Authors do get caught up in this idea that homosexuality is deviant behavior somehow instead of seeing it is totally fucking normal Serial killers are closeted homosexuals some not David Parker ray no no no No. No, no, no. Well maybe he was. We'll find out. No he wasn't. He definitely wasn't. Spoiler alert. And so let's get into our

redo of David Parker Ray. A proper run-through starting with where the man himself began his life. So David Parker Ray was a Southwest native born in 1939 to a couple with the very southwestern names of Cecil and Nettie in the desert town of Belle in New Mexico. I've known many anytime you look through anyone's like family history in the Southwest there's always a Cecil there's always a Nettie they're all out there. But I will say due to our Lincoln series the amount of ruggles Representation in this country is surprising. There's a lot of living ruggles. There's a lot of this. Someone knows a Mortimer

So many me like Mortimer's around Wow. I mean he's gonna be killed by bullies I guess Morty reckon Morty Mortimer Yeah, but still we do you should learn to not name your child Morty. True. Well, like many serial killers, David Parker Ray was raised in a violent alcohol-fueled household, and he would bear the brunt of his father's drunken rages at the slightest provocation. Cecil Ray, however, left when David was just 10. I guess I should say Cecil Ray. Cecil! Most likely Cecil. Cecil Ray, however, left when David was just 10, and since his mother also wanted nothing to do with David and his little sister Peggy, both kids were shipped off to live with their grandparents in the isolated New Mexican town of Mountaineer, which is spelled inexplicably

in one run together word. No time! No time! No time! No time for spaces! There's gold! We gotta get some gold! Mountaine! No time for spaces! There's gold! I gotta get some gold! No now! No now!

I ain't got time to waste! Where's my pan? Where's my gold pan? Right there! Now by the time David Parker Ray reached junior high in the early 1950s, he had the reputation of being a docile boy David was the kid who always had his shirt buttoned to the top button which came with the insistence of his strict Christian fundamentalist Grandparents who also beat him on the regular they called the the Adam's apple the devil's doorknob That's what my pep is is It's so weird because like part of me is like I'm glad they beat him But then the other side he is like oh what that's probably what led to it

Well, just like John Wayne Gacy's father sometimes the parents are right That's all to say that David Parker Ray was an isolated introvert and there were seeds planted in those early years that would give David Parker a something to internalize during the six years. He spent deep in the lonesome new Mexican countryside Reportedly during the time that David and his sister lived in mountain air his father only visited twice But David's father was the type of man who traveled with his own pornography When I was doing journeyman construction work and when I was in high school I knew guys who travel with their own pornography. It's in a suitcase and it's a lot of it No, they want to show it to you

Very bad porn. You remember this guy you recognize this guy. That's me Man, I remember we found my my buddy's dad's weird porn collection cuz he had like the playboys were out You can just find those those are classy. Yeah, but then there'd be other ones that would you know names? I wouldn't I don't even want to say in this disgusting episode. Oh I would you know have names I wouldn't I don't even want to say in this disgusting episode Want to say my dad had a magazine called like cunt ish like there was like something like that where it was almost cute In a way like cunt ish, you know But yeah, they had a lot of bad magazines back in the day But they weren't as I feel like they were even more prevalent than we thought they were

I think old men had different ways of living they might have that we didn't under we don't understand Well see sorry wasn't an old man. Yeah, he was a man in his 30s 20s But let's just say I got the attitude of one But they didn't have a porno library in their pocket like we do so yeah that carry it in a suitcase No, I print mine out. Yeah Yeah, it's good. I put it all out. I put it in the house. You make a flip book. Whoa! It's animating!

Well not coincidentally, Cecil Ray liked porn of the sadomasochistic variety, which must have been damn hard to find in the mid-1950s. You know, it's kind of...the alt scene is very interesting. Have you ever read anything until like, I believe it's Diane Arbus or like that whole world? There's a lot

of fetish stuff in the 1950s. but not easy to find and definitely not easy to find in New Mexico Albuquerque Mm-hmm. Yeah hard to find what? I feel like Albuquerque is where all the paddling and the spanking is happening. Well, actually Exactly. David Parker a it might poop. This might prove that yeah, it is a nasty town You know, I remember one of the magazines that my buddy's dad had was called coyote so I imagine that was from New Mexico Because it's like in a coyote all I know is that it's an animal driven by hunger from the wilderness to the cities Yeah, and that is just to describe a woman Is really very scared wild dog that drinks blood

And also my friend Maria, I love coyotes Nope, we're I'm just saying love that back is going on the record No, they're better than I guess just a bit a bunch of pictures of women with dog colors on We're of course not saying that S&M porn is what turned David Parker a into the monster He became this isn't Ted Bundy talking to James Dobson here But there are certainly signposts that come up in the early lives of these men that point them in the direction of how their murderous Habits manifest and the porn that David's father traveled with was certainly one of those signposts Manifest and the porn that David's father traveled with was certainly one of those signposts

Now like a lot of these guys David Parker Ray told grandiose lies when he was growing up see David He was a naturally gifted mechanic. That was his lifelong job So he gained a bit of popularity when it was discovered that he could fix the bikes that belonged to all the other kids in Town, but the moment David got a little attention He started telling people that the now forgotten teenage heartthrob singer, Johnny Ray, well Johnny Ray was his cousin. That's my cousin. Sort of a like my uncle works at Nintendo type of situation. And David did all of this

in an attempt to gain just a little bit of social currency. You know, if he really wanted to, he should have learned to play the guitar himself. And he could have written a song or two. and maybe that would have distracted him a little bit Oh, yeah, there's definitely never been a fucking a musician who's ever done anything fucked up in sexual Never been there's definitely never been a musician in the history who's run, you know sex trafficking or like torture rings a tortured women Girls are super bad babysitter from lost profits What was his name? I am Watkins. Yeah, super bad babysitter. Yeah No, but while David Parker a was telling lies about being related to a famous singer the first

Bubblings of his future sexual perversions were beginning to manifest behind his docile stare He did have the way I would describe miss. He has pog eyes sexual perversions were beginning to manifest behind his docile stare. He did have, the way I would describe him is he has pug eyes. He has like those lifeless brown unreadable like two beady eyes in the center of his, but you know, great mustache. Yeah, I mean incredible mustache, but yeah, eyes always kind of like downcast at the floor. Oh yeah. Did you say pug or pug? Pug! Okay cool. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you say pog or pug pug. Okay, cool. Yeah

lifeless eyes like a doll's eyes Parker ray is the core line of serial rapists Decades later David would tell an FBI profiler that his love for sadomasochism and torture blossomed at the age of 13 when he began fantasizing about tying women up to torture and rape them. Furthermore, Ray claimed in the infamous tape he would play for the women he abducted that he had been raping girls, quote, since I was old enough to jerk off. Furthermore, one of David's accomplices told police that David had told her that he had committed his first murder when he was a teenager when he supposedly tied a woman to a tree before

killing her. Which is interesting because we also know that he's a liar. Yeah. So we don't even know anything that he's saying is true. And therein lies the problem of the serial killer. You never know what the fuck they're actually, you never know what they're saying is true. And what their game is. What we do know. The more important thing is what their game, you never know what their game is. Yeah, what is that tickles their fancy,

but with David Parker Ray, the thing that we do know is how much was filmed. Like there was a lot that was filmed. The worst, but the hard part was the fact that none of them featured murder. So you just have all of this, this footage and they're all being like, Oh, that woman was just asleep. Like that was a good defense. We're saying all that kind of stuff. I have so many questions about the videotape, but I feel like I should hold them. Yes. Okay. Now much like his fellow-

Cause we're going to reenact it. Don't worry, you and I are going to reenact it. I have a whole thing set. Honestly, people were so excited about the last dream. It's what we're doing next. Yeah, Toy Box, our last podcast on the left, presents the Toy Box thriller. We're doing a dance thing inside of my sex dungeon, and I'm gonna be fucking Ed dressed as a dog.

Hold on, I thought I was the table. No, no, you are the lady, my friend. Fred Rosey! I always wanted to be a lady. Now, much like his fellow sadomasochism enthusiast, Dennis Rader, David Parker Ray would also draw his own torture porn, and he had been doing it from a young age. His sister claimed that she once found David's stash of drawings,

but when she confronted him about it, he just laughed it off and said it was, quote, his new hobby. Yeah Yeah, see right here. See this is Mario, right of the Mario Brothers This is Luigi Mario his brother. All right, as you can see Scared your sister and he's choking him Right. He's choking him. Yeah, because it's super great for when you pop off when you get in choke, right? And he knows that yeah, right over here in the corner over there. That's Yoshi. Yeah, he's his long-tongued friend, huh?

He's a pervert. He's the twisted. He's the twisted. He's waiting for one One kills the other two gonna fuck the corpse. Oh, so Yoshi's waiting for whoever is gonna die. Yeah. Yeah, I'm 12. Yeah I'm eight. Hey, yeah, yeah, you want to do this? You want to be my Luigi? Is this your new hobby? Tafin it's my new house So I think good advice for any parent out there that catches their child doing this kind of art is maybe just pay them to draw something nice Fiver for a cherry tree. This is super creative and super detailed here's five dollars go draw the house. After David graduated high school in 1957 he lived what was a fairly normal life for a working-class man in the

southwest when it came to his professions He continued his lifelong career as a mechanic and general handyman and Subsequently developed the skills that he would one day use to construct his own instruments of torture But as far as his personal relationships went David Parker Ray was a fucking deadbeat and he spent the late 50s and early 60s Marrying and divorcing twice while fathering a son along the way that he completely abandoned. But in 1967, David met and married an 18 year old in Albuquerque named Glenda and Glenda gave birth to the daughter that would one day join David in his sexual perversions. The child's name was Glenda Jean Ray, but she's better known as

Versions the child's name was Glinda Jean Ray, but she's better known as Jessie Ray so as to differentiate herself from her mother who is also named Glinda. Why are there so many? Because your mom is a lady junior, right? Isn't your mom Billie Jean? Well, no, well, that's it Okay, my mom is kind of a lady junior. My grandfather's name is Billy Wayne and her name is Billy This is like a whole southern thing where you'll name the same people. They all named the same name like everyone's got the same name but then they all have nicknames that don't match the main name. They're like brand new names or they refer to either a physical attribute or a hobby. Yeah. Like it's like you know like Skippin' Tom and there's like, oh there's like, you know, one-hand

Jeffrey never knew a one-hand Jeffrey, but I'm you know, he's out there Yeah, but I think it's one hand Jeff. You're like hey my name is Bill. Hey my name is Bill. People call me Steve I know, you know I know a James named Robbie and stuff like that because his dad was James and they didn't want to keep it was too confusing Yeah, then why name him James in the fucking first place? It's not his fault that his parents named him James But you're gonna name him one name and then you're gonna call him another name because the original name was too confusing I think the child gets to pick what their new name's gonna be

I don't think that they do they're just called this lady Jessie or the kid or they don't really think it through that it's gonna they don't think it's gonna be as confusing as it is as it's gonna be And then they get into it and they realize that it's very confusing. People won't be confused. Don't worry They don't they all know that there's four Glendas, you know, it's hard to get creative right after you have a child You know, they're like, what do you want to name it? My name's Glenda You know, might as well keep it going. That's why you've got to think of it beforehand robot Tyrannosaur My name's Glenda, you know, might as well keep it going. That's why you've got to think of it beforehand. Robot.

Tyrannosaur. Are these children's names? Piano Head. Adolf Hitler. Oh, no, not allowed. Nutella, not allowed. Now the author of Cries in the Desert wrongly tries to make a link between Jesse's sexuality and her relationship with her father.

Jesse Ray was indeed a massive lesbian, but sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with environment. We know this. The things that happened to us as kids don't quote-unquote turn us gay. Jesse Ray was very simply, totally outside of her sexuality, a sociopath, much like her father, and the only link between David Parker Ray and her sexual orientation was that they were both rapists who enjoyed raping people of the same gender. Coincidentally though, the same year that Jesse was born was the same year that David

Parker Ray said that he joined the local Albuquerque bondage scene, which I at first thought was somewhat small in 1967, but it may have been larger than I thought upon second look at, but all I know is it was probably Really fucking weird. Oh, man. You don't want to join a bondage scene where there's that many cactus around Why does it in my mind right like San Francisco bondage scene ooh, yeah, right, you know Amsterdam bondage scene Oh, wow, classy Harris Albuquerque's bondage scene. All I see is zip ties Yeah, like all I see is zip ties plastic bags. Yeah, the man trying to get away

I see a lot of brown a lot of brown people using dead snakes to tie you down. Yes Lot of flaccid penises. I mean, this is a place where like spiders are jewelry Be your tie And I say this like I truly do love New Mexico like the land of enchantment I say I I say like Oh, yeah, I say land of enchantment I say good Anya it's I I say it's warranted I fucking I adore New Mexico I think it's a great fucking place but it's fucking it's creepy as shit I think this very should be called welcome to Albuquerque no a few months after Jesse was born David abandoned his

third family and since this was 1967, the buttoned up fundamentalist reinvented himself as a hippie by growing out his hair and hitchhiking around Arizona and New Mexico. But during David's hippie phase, you're just flipping your hair around right now, Henry. Are you trying to tell me that you've reinvented yourself? There's nothing civil about war. It is amazing though how

the hippie like you know movement really did hide so many sociopaths oh yeah because the whole thing was built upon implicitly trusting strangers yeah yeah yeah and that's drugs it's yeah and that's gonna there's gonna be that there's a reason why I hate asperry turned so dark so quickly Yeah, yeah, well they put too much trust in the bikers. Yeah, you can't oh no you can't can't trust the house angels Yeah, I trust the pagans though Left here is officially aligning ourselves with the pagan motorcycle See you at the meat boys

But during David's hippie phase, he may have also committed a murder. Maybe his first, maybe not. You know it wasn't a tree. No. See in the summer of 69, David hooked up with a teenage girl who was also bumming around the Southwest. A girl who is only known today as Sally. Before long, Sally and David moved into a trailer together when the

owner of a truck stop on Route 66 offered David a job as a mechanic. Sally soon became pregnant, but she told the owner's girlfriend that while David had taken her virginity, he was the most gentle and sensitive man she'd ever met, and that was in addition to David being an exceptional lover. In other words this did not sound like a girl with one foot out of the door. Sounds like a liar. You don't think that David Parker Ray was good at kissing? But one morning, the owner and his girlfriend woke up to find that Sally had simply vanished, along with all of her possessions. This, you know how these chicks are.

This was out of character for the Sally they knew, but David just said that Sally was a free spirit and that he wasn't at all concerned for her well-being. Well, the owners chalked Sally up as just another girl who'd returned to Route 66, and they forgot all about her. That is, until David Parker Ray made national headlines three decades later as a serial murderer Oopsie-doo somebody got famous

Now after almost certainly murdering his hippie girlfriend Sally hey David Parker ray returned to the family He had abandoned two years earlier in Albuquerque there. He reconnected with his daughter, Jesse There he reconnected with his daughter, Jessie. I'm back! I had a thought that you might have missed me. By day, David played the role of the family man, but his nights were spent in Albuquerque's aforementioned S&M scene with either sex workers or women he picked up in local bars. Everybody eating chicken fried steak and eating all the, that's all I think of is Tex-Mex food. And's all I think of is Tex-Mex food.

And it's incredible. I just think Tex-Mex and large format sex activity doesn't mix. No, it doesn't. It certainly didn't smell good. No, just green chili. Everyone just eating that green pork chili, which I love. Oh, yeah.

Oh, no, Tex-Mex is good, but it makes you 400 pounds real fast. But I also feel like that then also makes you super able to be in the S&M scene. Because of how many whips you can take. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Because you have so much fat. Yeah, when you're bigger, you're stronger. I understand. You're thicker.

Well, David continued these pursuits with more and more intensity as the years went by. And he later told the FBI that by the time he reached his 30s, sadomasochistic acts and fantasies had completely come to dominate his life. Even while masturbating, David said that he could never ejaculate unless he was imagining himself killing a woman. It's unknown if David Parker Ray killed anyone in the 1970s. From what he told the FBI, he would have dormant periods where he

wouldn't necessarily need to imagine killing a woman in order to ejaculate. I just sometimes pour some ketchup on her. Sometimes the ketchup ain't working. I put a little jelly on there and then... And this is just in my brain. This is just my imagination. This is what's happening up here. And then next thing I know, I'm at a diner. I'm like, oh that's the issue. And David, every single time you want to kill a woman, eat something. You're getting hangry.

We all know the best chicken fried steak in all of New Mexico is right here in True to Consequences. Ew, ew, ew. What we do know is that David spent the 70s moving around New Mexico and Texas working various high-skill blue-collar jobs, like running gas stations, repairing railroad tracks, briefly he even taught classes at a prestigious school for aircraft mechanics. David's marriage, however, once again fell apart under the weight of what it was like to be in a marriage with someone like David Parker Ray. So he left Glinda and little Jesse in 1981 for a new life in Phoenix

There David met a woman named Joni Lee whom David chose as his fourth wife I don't think Joni Lee can be a first wife Joni if you're named Joni Lee, unfortunately, you have a life of tragedy You're born divorced. Joni Lee is smoking a cigarette as an infant. She's putting it out on her mother's clit. She's getting out of there. She's immediately getting into a forced marriage. She's having the baby at two and then she's back at work.

80 hours a week. Oh yeah. Joni Lee ain't getting an engagement ring that wasn't bought at Sam's Club Joni Lee hasn't seen a sunset in a pleasant way once has never woke up in her own bed now David Parker a was objectively an excellent mechanic. And he used these skills to turn an auto repair shop in Phoenix called Canal Motors into a thriving business when he came on as their number one guy. As a result, David had money to burn.

So he bought two properties at two different bodies of water in New Mexico in the early 80s. One property was at a place called Stone Lake, but the far more important purchase was a plot of land at Elephant Butte. David plopped down trailers on both properties and used them as weekend retreats where he would bring women for further escapades into the world of sexual bondage. They said it was like a 700 mile triangle between Phoenix, Stone Lake, and Elephant Butte.

And just fucking go round and round and round, picking up women wherever you could. I'd call this whole area Davidland. Now over here we got obviously this is the play area, Elephant Butte Lake, isn't it amazing? Now the Indians around here tell me that Elephant elephant boot comes from the story of a large elephant sitting down Making the lake with his butt and the local Indians had to shoot the elephant to death

With the arrows in order to get it off their chief now over here's where I'll be fucking you Here's the pussy'll be fucking you. Here's the pussy zappers. Now was he a smooth talker? Yes, very much so. Yeah, well he had a very low, calm way of talking. And yeah, he could talk his way into just about anything. Yeah, he could pick up women.

So he was tall. So he's similar to Bundy. Not quite as, Bundy had a lot more, like I guess, like natural charm. Yeah, and he was like a vagabond. But also Bundy had jobs, Bundy was around people, like Bundy actually had to shape shift a lot more and then went totally feral,

where he didn't really have to. You put Elephant Beauty, where it's like, it's not to you put elephant buta where it's like you like it's Not where you go to get a it's not where you go. It's not where you it's where you go to be left alone Yes, yeah, yeah, that's that's the whole that's this entire area of New Mexico It's just it's where you go to be left alone and under the world society. Yes. Yeah Yeah, and yeah, Ted Bundy was yeah a little more manic and he and of the world, you know He went to law school, You know so on and so forth, but you know, David Parker a is just you know, he's skating through life Yeah, but he's also an expert in his job

I mean you could say that they were sort of like the blue collar and white collar side of the same coin Yeah, you could say that yeah, they'd be in that they'd be a great odd couple cast See the two of them in a living room fighting over the television. Well I would also say both Republicans but for different reasons. Now perhaps recognizing the unique possibilities that Elephant Butte provided as a place to bring and murder women, David sold the place at Stone Lake and soon began splitting his time between Phoenix and Elephant Butte. He was not yet in the location where he would build his toy box, but David did buy a double

wide trailer on a plot of land in Elephant Butte where most of his neighbors were retirees who only wintered at the lake. But once David began spending more time in Elephant Butte, the ideas for the toy box began to coalesce. David fell further into the world of sadomasochism when he began designing, building, and selling specialized bondage equipment that was sold only through a P.O. box that David had set up himself. You know what they say? If you build it, they won't come.

It's like technically a good joke, thank you like I hate it Sound like in terms of like Composing the joke. Yeah, I know it sounds. It's yeah, it's good on paper when you hear it. That's when I hit you The David's daughter Jesse was reaching her teenage years by the time David began spending more time at Elephant Butte. There the two of them became close, because Jessie was a tomboy who was just as talented of a mechanic as her father. From what Jessie said though, David made no attempt to hide his sadomasochistic lifestyle throughout her childhood, nor did he hide the women he engaged in it

with. By her teens, Jessie was well aware of almost everything that was going on, and she came to see her father's behavior as totally normal. Incredibly though, while exposing a teenager to adult sexual activity that's absolutely abuse, it doesn't seem like David Parker Ray sexually abused his daughter in the more conventional sense. I'm not a monster It does almost seem like that where it's like, you know, there's just some lines the man can't cross Well, he's very again. It's that's why he

Mostly were used sex workers. Yeah, so he could look down on them Jesse's at very interesting case. Yes. He's Jesse's an extraordinarily, and the thing is that like, Jesse's out there. Jesse's out there. Jesse's out there. I tasked one of our research assistants try to find me something on Jesse, and the only thing that she was-

Yeah, I scoured myself. The only thing that she was able to find was a Reddit comment that said that they took a trucking course With Jesse a couple of years ago and that she was fucking terrifying. Oh, I bet. Oh, yeah Pleasant person I will say though great trucker David Parker raised lesbian daughter It's an amazing trucker character. Yeah, and it needs that's a show. I guess so. It's a show. No one wants

Yeah, yeah, I'm not watching that show. It is it is technically a show. Yeah clam stoppers She's alone all the time. Yeah Well instead the two of them spent a lot of time together at Elephant Butte actually bonding, all while Ray's sexual exploits existed as a sort of constant background noise that Jessie would often be exposed to. By age 19, Jessie claimed that she began to feel conflicted about her father's overt sexual behavior.

She said that she once watched David hire a sex worker for a bondage session But when things became too violent the woman ran out of the house naked too terrified to even try and grab her clothes sounds like a Evil evil always sunny like plot line the idea of like these naked Screaming sex workers are just running out of the trailer and just like daddy And he's just like you know how these ladies are everybody's getting excited I mean from how I read it like she wasn't like hanging out outside like she was in the room Oh, yeah, you know she's not the other she's in the other half of the trailer

Yeah, they're like yeah very much exposed to all of it. Naturally, this woman running away, this caused Jessie to question whether her father's behavior really was normal. And as such, something happened between the two of them in 1986 that prompted Jessie to call the FBI on her father, although we have no idea what the conflict actually was. I asked for a Jetta daddy. I asked for a Jetta. And you got me a gulp. How am I supposed to go around the other rapist women without a Jetta?

Maybe she really did think FBI stood for female body inspector. I'd like to join the FBI. I actually have quite an experience. inspector Well June of that year Well, I mean what what we do know is that even with all the information we have now the FBI still believes that Jesse Called the feds on David in 1986 not out of concern for other people but out of pure spite. Something happened he pissed her off and she called the FBI. Or which is the way standard answer we see across the board started to realize oh shit I'm a big ol accomplice in the center of this thing maybe I better get ahead of this before I'm arrested as well. I think she I I

think this was before she started, before she started getting into it. Like she was much younger at this point. When she started getting into it, yeah, that was years later I believe. Yeah, it also sounds like the FBI fucked up and this is how they want to portray it. Yeah, I mean, do you,

literally you never know. Possibly, I mean it is, it is very difficult to know what sometimes when the FBI makes statements It's very difficult to know what is the truth and what's a cover-up or what and by cover-up? I mean like their narrative I mean I by cover-up I mean, you know sweeping away the mistakes that they made in the past I mean, it's no question about it a mistake. It's what 15 years before he was caught 13 13 years So they knew that he was on

their radar. They just didn't give a fuck. I mean, in June of that year in 1986, you know, and he was arrested 99, Jesse called the FBI and told them that her father was kidnapping women, torturing them and selling them as sex slaves across the border in Mexico. And they're like, God damn it. That's our job. And as a result, the FBI spent the next year investigating David Parker Ray's activities in the Southwest, and they brought him in for questioning several times. And their main response was, ooh. Yeah. But no evidence for sex trafficking was ever found, and the FBI dropped the case.

According to one of Jesse Ray's friends, the call to the FBI was the last time that Jesse tried breaking free of the life that her father had seemingly Groomed for her after the FBI was out of the picture Jesse was more or less all in when it came to torturing raping and possibly killing other women at her father's side You know, I accidentally heard a fact that I found interesting that they had learned in I recently heard a fact that I found interesting that they had learned in Vietnam when we were doing interrogations of Viet Cong.

It's a part of what they viewed as they have these, like, ways of interrogating, and one is this avoidance. Who has ways of interrogating? The United States government. And they call it avoidance. So the first thing is, obviously, they're under duress. They're in the house. They don't want to be they they're in the these the center They don't want to be there

But then you then do what they call conflict or it's something and then you engage with them, right? And every single time you have a fight Right about their ideology because they were always about like all the Viet Cong their ideology so strong How will we ever break them is that what you discover is that the more you have a continued fight and make up with somebody, the more you even accidentally, against your will, become ingratiated to them. So you could almost see that at this point in conflict,

they have went through the FBI. She's like, I called the FBI. They've now exonerated my father, but the father now knows that you are You have called the FBI or somebody called the FBI. Yeah, somebody brought him in here Yeah, so now you got a play ball and then it's more of a how do you live with yourself? Oh, I have to choose it. Yeah, it's quite possible That is very, very possible. Now, as far as the first murder that could definitively be linked to David Parker-Ray

goes, the victim was not a sex worker, an addict, or even a woman. Instead, David Parker-Ray's first possible murder victim was his boss at Canal Motors, a man named Billy Ray Bowers, who disappeared in 1988. Never kill your boss, Rob 1988 never kill your boss Rob Guy named Billy Ray Bowers like it was only a matter of time before he was murdered definitely. Yeah, Billy Ray Bowers is murder victim all over Yeah, him and I mean Billy Ray's money. Yeah exactly yeah exactly yeah Billy Ray and Joni Lee ever get together yeah they're gonna go on a killing spree they're gonna fucking rob a bunch of pranks and die in a fucking halo bullets no it's just that's when the universe opens up into a black hole of sadness

and we all just get sucked inside yeah now Billy Ray had been a silent financial partner at canal motors for years but he'd expressed an interest in cashing out on his half of the business. This of course would have been bad news financially for David Parker Ray. We don't know if David made any specific threats, but we do know that Billy Ray Bowers began carrying a gun about a week before he disappeared, and he had told friends and family to call the police if anything happened to him. David Parker Ray was quite intelligent in the ways of murder, so rather than simply

kill Billy Ray Bowers, David Parker Ray allegedly made him disappear from the city of Phoenix completely on September 22, 1988. Exactly a year after Billy Ray disappeared, and this is why everyone is almost positive 99.99 percent sure that David Parker Ray killed him a man Vacationing at elephant Butte Lake from Santa Fe was fishing when he spotted what was obviously a body covered in a blue tarp Floating in the water this regulation Police were notified and they quickly surmised that the victim had been shot Execution style in the back of the head.

The body of course belonged to Billy Ray and it had somehow broken free from the two boat anchors that had been used to submerge it. But other than the methods of murder and disposal, the cops had no other leads on who this corpse belonged to or where it came from. This was after all 1990, DNA matching didn't exist, and it was impossible to know how long that body had been in that lake. And furthermore, the disappearance of Billy Ray Bowers

had been a crime that had occurred a year earlier, 400 miles away. And even though David Parker Ray had been interviewed for that murder, or actually for that disappearance, there were no clues pointing towards his guilt. So the corpse that was found wrapped in the blue tarp, that was filed away as a John Doe. And that body would not be formally identified

as Billy Ray Bowers until David Parker Ray was arrested nearly a decade later. You know, it's interesting, because I saw pictures of the body exhumed and the tarp looked like Fresh it didn't look filthy like it was in a lake for a year Yeah, so it makes me think that maybe he just had this guy tied up somewhere for a long time Actually never even thought about that he made it very much so tortured his boss that must have been a lot of fun for him much so tortured his boss that must have been a lot of fun for him. Now I'm taking notes.

Really enjoyed that. Actually I envy him. I envy that joy. Well I read that there was something about like they didn't know how long the body was in the water due to something about like the changing temperatures. Maybe it's something about like desert temperatures like so hot during the day so cold at night and you know, it might you know fuck up Whatever, you know equations that they use or whatever methods they use or whatever they use back in 1990 Yeah, who knows now after the FBI dropped their case against David for human trafficking in 1987 It seems like David began to feel untouchable and when guys like him feel like there aren't any consequences to their behavior They start getting for lack of a better word inventive. Consequently, sometime in the late 80s, David Parkeray decided that he was going to use

his mechanical expertise to construct what he considered to be the ultimate torture chamber. It's too much space. That's what he had. Literally, he had too much space and too much time. I mean, a lot of these, I mean, on the way my buddy Dave was saying that all of these plots In Elephant Butte they all have about a quarter acre of land to play around with It's too much land! It's too much land! He should have been focused! Looking at himself as a sexual scientist who is highly skilled in the art of pain

David began planning the construction of what would be from his perspective a Laboratory to study the women he abducted as he inflicted tortures both physical and psychological. Like a scientist David would approach the act of torture methodically carefully documenting cataloging and filming everything he did. Eventually David Parker Ray would figure out that the videos he used to track his progress could also make him money and he would sell the documents of his evil to S&M Enthusiasts all over the world through his PO box That is one of those pieces of information that has also lost the time who the fuck was he sending tapes to?

I mean, I'm sure that he had just a little ad in the back of a fucking S&M magazine that he took out that he Probably paid a dollar a month for People write him he gives them a catalog like it back in those days, but is that fucking shit evidence? I know I mean yeah It is but the people back in those days like they either didn't know or didn't care that what they that they were actually buying Footage of crimes like actual crimes, but then you there't snuff films, because no one died. Who knows though? We have no fucking clue. We don't know.

Because then I think about all- Well, we do know that no snuff film has ever been uncovered. I am still just- Really? Except for, well, nothing that, none of the aforementioned, like, what you saw in 8mm.

Yeah, the whole idea of people killing porno movies in which someone dies at the end It doesn't exist. It's an urban myth We haven't seen them My thing is that we know that Dean Correll was selling tapes John Wayne Gacy was selling tapes or Moud Meister Her Bob Meister was probably selling tapes This is another example of somebody that was selling tapes during like not that long after this so it does feel like There there was something. It's just this whole crooked network one day well one day We'll figure all this out one is gonna be me with my fucking whiteboard my six shooter revolver

I'm gonna go out there. I'm gonna find everyone on these lists Well the thing about David Parker Ray is that it was it really wasn't like a secret network No, it was an ad in the back of a magazine that you can write to him You know like if you interested in SNM tapes write to me else and he would send a list of like hey Here's the things I got and then you know He'd send out of the video of whatever people requested and I'm sure he said like these are consensual or whatever just I mean I just I mean at the end of the day They probably didn't ask and he probably didn't say I mean in fact

I would I would imagine he probably hinted that they weren't yeah depending on the customer To make it more exciting for them Yeah, yeah, and they but then they thought but then it's double double because him saying these are real torture videos and blah blah blah Him saying that juices them up, and then they're like, there's no way it is, this is all games. Yeah, this is all kayfabe, yeah. Most chilling, however, were the souvenirs that David Parker Ray planned to collect during his years

as a so-called sexual scientist, evidence of his exploits. See, in 2011, the FBI released images of everything they recovered from David's property in the hopes of closing some cold cases, seeing maybe pictures of necklaces and earrings and various forms of jewelry, hoping that somebody would recognize something. But despite the publication of over 400 images, not a single person has been linked to these items to this day as far as I know. Mostly that's because David Parker Ray was careful to limit his victims to the so-called

less dead. The sex workers, the addicts, the transients of the American Southwest who were unlikely to be reported missing, or if they were reported, unlikely to have their disappearances seriously investigated. But even when the disappearances of these women were investigated, years later and far too late, the FBI still came up with nothing. Even though there are videotapes and photographs of scores of victims, nearly all of them are unidentifiable. And the FBI therefore has absolutely no idea how many women David Parker Ray tortured and possibly killed once he moved out to elephant Butte Lake All they know is that the number is likely

Staggering this blows my mind. Yeah, because like, you know, I Crazy, but they don't recognize any of the women No, no how many of the videos how many victims are in these videos? They had something up he said what in one of the videos when he when he started doing The tape he said he'd already brought thirty seven women to the to the box and that then that was like that was Video that's like box time that he had done it like while he had already had the dungeon all put together He had said thirty seven they said that they have piles up to it I think that was when's he charged was 60, right? I think you believe it's 60 tomorrow

Well, I mean they believe it's 60 60 is the number of women that one of his accomplices Like one of his accomplices is like I think he killed around 60 women, you know And it's really difficult to tell exactly how many there are and exactly how many because you know You might have so like videotapes from so many different women And you can identify like make okay through like various, you know bodily, you know scars or you know shapes Whatever like you might be able to identify different women that way But then there's like so so much jewelry so many pieces of jewelry, you know It's like if there's just there's so much stuff And it's impossible to put it all together and none of these people were missing people. No

well, they weren't missing on the record and They obviously weren't alive to show up Yeah to say that that's my stuff and the body and the bodies are nowhere to be found And a lot of the people a lot of times when you see these kind of things Maybe they are Alive and they just don't want to come forward because they don't want to deal with it Oh, of course not because actually after he's already caught dude Let's say maybe you're not a sex worker anymore, and you were you were destroyed

You were tortured by a man the last thing you want to go do is go watch him in court Yeah, no we're gonna actually next up So we're gonna talk about a woman who was tortured and let go who did not report him who could have and just didn't Yeah, didn't want to deal with it. Well, it's terrifying. Yes It's very unfair on the woman and no one fucking believes you exactly Now David Parker Ray finally settled on a piece of land on an unpaved street at elephant Butte Parker Ray finally settled on a piece of land on an unpaved street at Elephant Butte, 513 Bass Road, and after moving his double-wide onto the property, David brought in a 22-foot long white cargo trailer, the kind you'd attach to a semi. While David would tell his neighbors that this trailer was simply his workshop, it was, of course, David's customized

torture dungeon, left in plain sight for anyone to see. A dungeon which David affectionately called his Toy Box. See, David saw the Toy Box not only as a location where he could enact his fantasies, but also as a sort of living museum for his growing collection of sadomasochistic devices, both store-bought and homemade. This is also where he kept his pornography collection, where he kept his personal writings and drawings. It's like a presidential library for perversion. Tellingly though, the first thing David- We're gonna get another one.

It's like next, this is going to happen. Tellingly though, the first thing David did when he parked the trailer that would become his toy box was make and hang a hand-painted welcome sign inside the entrance that said Satan's Den see evil right Shitty sign it's a really shitty sign everything in there. No, you know for lack of a better word is like, you know pricey No, it's like, you know, it's like almost fancy Yeah, you put a lot of money into it. You put a lot of money into it. But the sign It's just you know, a little effort into everything but the sign. Hey Eddie that's called a touch of home for me

From me for me so I could see it. I can see a little homespun. Yeah a little bit a little bit of country nostalgia So I could see it I could see a little homespun a little bit a little bit of country nostalgia Incredible with mechanics terrible at arts and crafts. That's been my main problem me and Hitler It's been my one of my main issues terrible painter The David's toy box was not put together in a haphazard manner because his fantasies were sketched out on paper long before he put Them into practice. Yeah, they call me Leonardo da Ouchie. He soundproofed the trailer so the women's screams wouldn't be heard. He installed a deadbolt for extra security and even installed an AC unit

so the women wouldn't suffocate in the New Mexico heat. Let me confess, it's for me. As far as equipment went, David built an elaborate system of pulleys, weights, clamps, chains, and padlocks along with a collection of whips and gurneys, all designed to inflict the maximum amount of pain. The centerpiece, however, was a remote-controlled gynecological examination table with stirrups and electrodes installed at the head and midsection.

Man, if this was now, we're looking at an app. We're looking at some kind of meme coin. Yeah, he definitely couldn't have gotten away with this anymore. It'd be hard. It would be really, really hard. Yeah, there's too many things run through the phone. You'd get them registered too much.

Yeah, all these passwords and like, you know, identification tees and like second... Buddy, I don't count elephant butte out I'm certain that there's still plenty of career perverts and deviants that are doing very well in elephant bute We didn't need to put like a like a like a metal collar on on the women and then attach that to a chain And like lock that to the ground Oh, yeah, yeah, no matter what they couldn't get away. Yeah, Eddie. Yeah. All right. I just felt like you left that out

Feel free to add in anything Horrible any horrible detail cuz you know, I I I try to pick and choose Yeah, because the amount of because I mean honestly, yeah the amount of shit in that Dungeon yeah amount of things that he installed the sheer number of things that he thought through to the tiniest fucking detail It's staggering. You know who I'd like to list as a suspect I listened to the entire tape because I like found because at first I found like Versions of the tapes I really like other people read it in a scarier voice sure

but then I found his which is just like Very plain and very scarier because of how plain it is and how matter of fact it is It's the hello there bitch but I want to I worry about the man who made the video that I saw because of all the images that he added to it How creative he got with the material. That man's a suspect. If only I could have met David.

If I could have just shown him my ability to edit his work and do an amazing cavalcade of entertainment. Then maybe, just maybe, we could have had a web series. Oh, man. Another David's torture device is he had a seven- seven foot long coffin equipped with restraint hooks and ventilation holes Nearby was a rack of equipment where each piece was labeled with names like ankle spreader knee spreader vaginal stretcher They do what they say Lining the walls were cabinets filled with syringes electric cattle prods chemicals a disturbing assortment of dildos

So many fucking dildos. It's incredible how many dildos the man had yeah over here where I keep the dildos I call that pan throws palace Obviously pan throw the the thunder cap thunder cap over here are the pocket pussies as I like to call them dildo don'ts For decoration David used photos of women being tortured Yep, even constructed a childish little diorama of naked toy figures engaged in bonded sessions, which he put into a glass cabinet He was very proud of that. Yeah, there's like Lego. It's Legos, but it's more like a let me go. Right? Yeah, see like my mom had like Schvatsky crystals and you know, Yatro's. But you know, his curio cabinet was just a fucking nightmare.

Yeah, yeah. Because guess what? When I look at Hummel's, I don't get horny. I need to see little figures torturing each other. It's a scary old cabinet. Yeah,uring each other. Scariel cabinet. That's hilarious. I like you. Top it all off though, David installed a TV monitor attached to the camera he was using to film every second of torture.

Because the TV monitor was set up in just the right spot, the women could watch everything that was happening to them while knowing that other people would be privy to their pain and humiliation. Now, he also, he had multiple women at once sometimes, right? Or at least according to him he did. According to him. According to him. Did he have other places that were soundproofed on the property? No, it was all in here. So he wouldn't have been able to have multiple women at one time?

In there? Maybe, maybe not. Yeah. Depending. It was, the women are actually more on the other side of the table. So he wouldn't have been able to have multiple women at one time in there. Maybe maybe not yeah depending It was the women are actually more on the other side of the table He had people helping him that were a part of the process yeah Now as you can tell David Parker Ray had taken this project quite seriously, and he became so Infatuated with it that he quit the job in Phoenix that he literally murdered a man to keep so he could fully devote himself to his toy box in 1991.

It ain't a phase mom! To make money, David started his own business in Elephant Butte called Dave's Automotive Repairs and since David was the only emergency repairman for miles, he had a wide stretch of Interstate 25 that was all his own. If you broke down out there David Parker Ray was gonna be the guy who come pick up your car man. That's what happened to me in Yee-haw Junction, man Fuckers they came for me, dude I had to give him my DVD player and a couple of DVDs just to like get my transmission fix and I had to stay

There for like two days you're lucky that you didn't they didn't put the yee-haw and yee-haw Junction. You know my god It was awful I sat at the bar for two days and there and it was all they wouldn't they were like Yeah, I play the Eagles and I felt like I was like playing like the devil's music You know they were very upset why you're playing this hippie is hippie woke music. Yeah Yeah, that fucking place. I hated that place so much, but then a semi truck drove through it, and it's gone now, so that's nice Yeah, wow all takes one I hated that place so much, but then a semi-truck drove through it and it's gone now, so that's nice. That's awesome. Wow. All takes as one. Well, over the next few years, David Parker Ray would actually develop a local reputation as a good neighbor.

These are the years that my buddy Dave spent two doors away, waving and saying, Hey, Mr. Ray, is he and his friends ran by David Parker Ray's property. Hi. Hey, Edge. Hey there. Hi. Shoo. Psh. Psh.

Nice to see ya. Yep. Now, Ele yeah now elephant butte let's go find your sister It means something completely different though when you say it here The elephant butte really is just half of the equation here while it was perfect for the disposal of corpses While it was perfect for the disposal of corpses, the nearby town of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico was also a prime spot for choosing victims. See, even though T or C is locals call it, even though it only has a population of 5,000 people, it's a tourist town that's just off Interstate 25, runs between El Paso and Albuquerque, which means it's a prime stopping point for transients and people who are looking to be left alone

by the rest of the world. As far as where David could find victims, T or C is just seven miles from Elephant Butte, and David Parker Ray's local bar was, as my friend told it, just a quarter mile away from David's Double Wide and his toy box. Now the town of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico sounds like it's got a fascinatingly cool story

steeped in the lore of the American West where poetry seems to naturally spring from the ugliest corners of humanity's needs and desires. You're wrong! Something like from Deadwood, you know? You know! Where it's just like, it's beautiful, it's like it's got such poetry to it.

But I was crestfallen to discover that the story behind the name of Truth or Consequences New Mexico was little more than a publicity stunt for a stupid fucking game show that ran on NBC in the 40s and 50s. Prior to 1950, Truth or Consequences New Mexico was named Palomas Hot Springs because the town's main draw was the mineral heavy waters that thousands of elderly Southwesterns would use for a soak to ease their arthritis But in order to bring their tourism numbers up even more the town of Palomas Hot Springs Decided to enter a contest when a game show called truth or consequences

Announced that they would host a live gala Anniversary broadcast from any town that permanently renamed itself after the show and so the town renamed itself they did the stupid anniversary special there and that's the dumb fucking story of the coolest town name in America so are there any other truth or consequences no no the only one is the only one that was canceled they won the contest it was long-running though But the one thing that is kind of appropriate here is that the catchphrase for the truth or consequences game show was no shit Aren't we devils? Oh, I mean that sounds like it seems like it was good show No, you just run sort of a game show. I'm a serial killer and rapist

You made someone sit on a pie that is different from what the devil does it's devilish don't get me wrong it's devilish devil dogish it actually did give me some ideas but I want my pie to be filled with knives you know what I'm saying? But I want my pie to be filled with knives The idea of the show is that they had trivia questions what which were like purposefully impossible to answer And people would have to try to answer the trivia question within like two seconds And if they didn't they were asked so truth or consequence, you know

Truth or dare? Yeah were asked so truth or consequence you know so truth or dare yeah and then people would always choose the dare because it was me and it would always be something fun or goofy and then they'd say oh aren't we devils yeah yeah cuz I think when you say truth they go stuff like where did your father serve in the war isn't it crazy we'd rather like cover ourselves in pudding than fucking tell the truth Oh, yes Now even though there are plenty of tourists who come to truth or consequences for the hot springs

The town still has somewhat of a wild west vibe and it's definitely still had a wild west vibe back in the early to mid 90s Like a lot of small new mexico towns truth or consequences fell prey to the scourge of meth, and the local sheriff spent a lot of time focused on that. Rightfully so. Yes. Yeah, no. It does add an area, like a bit of unpredictability to the town. Let's say that town's a bit of a handful for local law enforcement.

There's stuff going on in there, right? Yeah. Meth seems to really give these guys a lot of pep. A lot of energy. Well, the town had kind of a culture of no questions asked. And before long, it became an open secret that David Parker Ray, out at Elephant Butte, was hosting wild sex parties for the more sexually

adventurous citizens of Truth or Consequences. And it's never who you want them to be. No, of course not. In fact, it was rumored that some of the more well-connected businessmen in Truth or Consequences would pay David to attend live S&M performances that were held on David's boat out on the waters of Elephant Butte Lake. I'd like to introduce you to some special VIP guests of mine I have here.

Richard Trapper. He's obviously the jerky billionaire. And right here I'd like you to meet His name is John pool stick he He makes pool sticks For a living it's like eyes wide shut, but the eyes are shut because of John You're gonna want to close your eyes because these eyes are gonna get squirted Well regardless of where the local businessmen front of the cash though, these on the water performances were still videotaped by David Parker Ray and were sold to his large network

of mail order customers. Now David's fourth marriage had ended by 1994. Now that's a romantic. And he subsequently gave up on Dave's automotive service. Instead, Dave made his money by working as a vehicle mechanic at Elephant Butte State Park. Technically, David Parker Ray was a park ranger, which meant that he had even more opportunity

to hide bodies. Interestingly though, in the course of his work with the Parks Department, and this is just a, this is like a fun fact, Ray designed a portable light unit that was so useful and cost effective that that to this day New Mexico State Parks Still use the equipment based on David Parker Ray's original designs when they have to go out for nighttime emergencies Fun fact. Oh, that is a fun fact

Hey, you know if you like my foot my new flashlight so much you should check out this other thing It's dildo on a drill That's me making the noise It makes a girl go You know the 90s were time for wacky inventors Yeah God and I'll just tell you what if I find that bear that's been stealing my picnic baskets Time to a gynecological chair, and I'm going to insert ever-enlarging dildos into his cloaca

Until he screams and then I'm gonna shoot him in the head Mexicans down that's what we call it down here After David's fourth wife left his daughter Jessie began spending more time out at Elephant Butte reportedly Jessie would roll into town on her Honda motorcycle decked out in leather and she became known as and this was the word that Was used a legendary pool player and the bars of truth or consequences New Mexico is she the number one lesbian besides Ellen DeGeneres because I feel like that You at the very peak of this. Yeah, she's coming in She's not even using her legs to hold on to the mic onto the fucking motorcycle. It's just her pussy Just sucking on to the fucking seat

Amazing for her. Yeah, the best pool player and the bars of truth or consequence is New Mexico. My daddy taught me a trick Let me show you my custom-made cue. It's right in here This once you stab the corner hole with the pool cue But even though Jesse had ratted out her father to the FBI eight years earlier, Jesse and David were closer than ever, although David absolutely manipulated his daughter into spending more time at Elephant Butte. See, Jesse was living in Albuquerque, but any time she tried returning home from a visit to Elephant Butte, her father would become mysteriously ill, and the only person who

could nurse him back to health was Jessie. Jessie however would develop bleeding ulcers whenever she went to Elephant Butte, even once had to be airlifted out to treat them. That tells you a little something about how she felt while she was there. Was obviously a very stressful situation. But even though Jessie was a victim herself up to a point, which does deserve some sympathy, she's still just like all the other serial killers we've covered with abusive backgrounds

who take a turn into murder and never look back. For example, in September of 1995, Jessie Ray was seen arguing with a young woman named Jill Troia in an Albuquerque bar. The fight was so intense that it attracted the attention of every patron. Jill and Jesse left together, but that was the last time anyone saw Jill Troia alive. Well, that's not proof that Jesse killed her, but considering everything we're about

to get into, it is entirely possible that Jesse Ray may have a body count all her own that had absolutely nothing to do with her father having some sort of magical hold over her. Now David Parker Ray finally persuaded his daughter Jessie to come live with him in his double-eyed elephant beaut at some point in the mid-90s. And while it's certain that David Parker Ray was bringing women to his toy box before then, we also know that Jessie began assisting her father after she moved in on a regular basis. Now there are holes in the story behind Jesse's involvement in David's crimes.

And it's not holes as in, you know, but like there's things that might refute it. It's just stuff we just don't know about. Yes. But much of what we do know about David Parker Ray's MO comes from a victim that Jesse Definitely served up to her father one of Jesse's actual friends That friend was one of the women who lived to tell the tale and from what it sounds like She was far from being the first woman who ended up in the toy box because of the actions of Jesse Ray This friend was a woman in her early 20s named Kelly Garrett, who'd run off to truth or consequences with a married man

a few years earlier. Consequences. Kelly had been babysitting this guy's kids in Kansas, and after they'd started an affair, he'd convinced her that they should start a new life together in New Mexico. This married man, however, abandoned Kelly soon after they arrived in T or C.

Kelly, however, found solace in the friends she'd made there, but that friend group man however abandoned Kelly soon after they arrived in T or C. Kelly however found solace in the friends she'd made there but that friend group included Jessie Ray. Now Kelly ended up in David Parker Ray's toy box on July 25th 1995 but the circumstances that led her there had been put into motion nine days earlier. On July 16th Kelly had had married a Marine named Patrick. It was her third marriage. But after having a spat with her new husband on the 25th, Kelly had decided to join her friends at a bar and truth her consequences to blow off some steam. Now, Kelly had actually been the designated driver that night. But when she finally had just

one beer at midnight, she immediately felt woozy and intoxicated. Unbeknownst to Kelly, Jessie Ray had spiked her drink, meaning that Jessie had decided to bring Kelly to the toy box without any prompting from her father. This is 1995. It's not like she texted him, hey, you want me to bring a girl? She just did it all on her own. She just kind of said that this guy, this is somebody that my father would really like. Yes.

She could have beeped him. I guess she could have beeped him. He didn't have a beeper as far as I know. I guess she could have beeped him. She could have beeped him. What do you beep? What do you beep? I say you beep.

Girl? Question mark? I lost all my codes. I used to have a sheet of beeper codes. I can't remember them all now. Boobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably like a 187.

I forgot you were a drug dealer yeah now to this day Kelly doesn't remember leaving the bar with Jesse after Jesse offered to take her to her father's trailer to sober up the first clear memory Kelly had was sitting on David's couch where Jesse had told her to wait while Jesse went to the back room? Ten minutes later both Jesse and David Parker Ray came out and sat on either side of Kelly on the couch without saying a single word Suddenly one of them had a knife to Kelly's throat while the other Handcuffed her a spike collar was then placed around her neck and duct tape was wrapped around her eyes and mouth David then led Kelly out to the toy box where she said she was so terrified that she lost consciousness.

When she came to, she found herself on the gynecological table with her ankles and wrists in straps. Those straps were attached to heavy chains. David Parker Ray then used smelling salts to fully bring Kelly back to consciousness David Parker Ray then used smelling salts to fully bring Kelly back to consciousness Because David wanted her to be fully aware when she realized just how much trouble she was in and he wanted to drink in as much fear and as much pain as Possible once David was satisfied that Kelly was awake enough to process what was happening He walked over to a stereo and pressed play on an audio cassette He'd recorded himself a message that he played for every woman upon entering the toy box in part it said

Low there bitch. Are you comfortable now? I doubt it Wrists and ankles chained gagged probably blindfolded You're disoriented and scared too. I'd imagine perfectly normal into the circumstances for a little while at least You need to get your shit together and listen to this tape. It is very relevant to your situation I'm gonna tell you in detail why you have been kidnapped

What's gonna happen to, and how long you'll be here. I don't know the details of your capture because this tape is being created July 23, 1993 as a general advisory tape for future female captives. The information I'm going to give you is based on my experience dealing with captives over a period of several years if at a future date there are any major changes in our procedures the tape will be upgraded and that's why I drive an infinity

I very much do not need to read you the entire message Yes, honestly, it gets a little tedious the whole thing's five minutes long. Yeah, is it 50? No, no, it's five minutes Then what the fuck did I listen to? I don't know it's five minutes long I don't know it's long I would think I listen to was like it was 50 and it was and I got a half hour in and I was just like This is repetitive. I have no idea watch I have no idea what you listen because it was it's five. It's like a little over five minutes long So the person that I saw

Definitely got very creative Well, we expanded it. I guess I'll have to send you what I saw Yeah, I'd love to know does he go into like is there a rap is there like a does he get full on like into sound? It's just very it's for 30 when I got 30 minutes in like it was 50 minutes long And there were multiple tapes that had different versions of it and some of them were 48 minutes in other words for 50 So the everyone I saw was very long. This is directors cut. Did you talk to Zack Snyder? Everyone I saw was very long. Is this directors cut? Did you talk to Zack Snyder? Who made this cut is this it as far as I know it was just a little over five minutes long Yeah, I do it this morning. And when I woke up when I had to sleep last night

When I was driving I was do it a couple times because again, it's like it's in my light This is why people should not do their own research. Yeah Because again, it's like it's in my light. This is why people should not do their own research. Yeah The same thing that led you to listen to 35 minutes of a man just rambling about Torturing a woman is the same method that leads people to not believe in vaccine. I mean it's running in the same Yeah, he's not he's not even gonna get the he's not gonna get the vaccine anymore. I know it's definitely ruined my algorithm on your He's not gonna get the vaccine anymore. Oh, no, it's definitely ruined by algorithm on your Well the highlights of the tape for thus David Parker Ray goes on in the tape to explain that he and his lady friend have been keeping sex slaves for years now Obviously that lady friend was his daughter Jessie because he did have another female accomplice

But that woman did not come along until years later years after David Parker Ray first made the tape and his fourth wife, Joni Lee, was not involved in this. So the lady friend is Jesse. Going off of what David said on the tape, the two of them used Jesse's sexual orientation to find victims. David explained that they preferred lesbians because there was less of a chance for an STD. Not surprisingly, David didn't like condoms. David goes on and on in this tape for as I said over five minutes

detailing the specs of the torture dungeon. The extent of the torture the woman was about to go through. How long it was gonna last. See as far as the women listening to this tape knew they were about to go through at least a three-month ordeal. But David ended the tape saying that the woman would leave alive, drugged on sodium pentothal and phenobarbital and would therefore not remember him, the toy box, or what had happened to her while she was locked inside. Tootsie would have been a horrible victim because she's had so much phenobarbital she would have been able to remember everything.

She's fine. She's's fine. She's fine. She's eating fine. No, it's- And he did keep that promise, I mean, multiple times. We do know he did keep the promise sometimes from the survivors, the women who now today talk about it. I think he decided, he would decide in the moment who does what, and then that also serves as a way of, very similar to Dennis Rader, when he would decide in the moment who does what and then that also serves as a way of very similar Dennis Rader When he would break in and say I'm not gonna kill you. Yeah, I'm not here to kill you. I'm just here to rape you I'm just same thing with the East area rapist

He was like, I'm just here so that they would do that to sort of calm you So know that you would get out of there at some point. Yes Yeah Now the line about the condom, you know that he doesn't like that's somewhat unnecessary because David Parker Ray was as impotent as they come A real limp dick. In fact, I actually asked Ed to come up with a couple of more words for limp dick Yeah, and it was a nice little task to give me to keep my mind off of this Yeah, so I feel like here's some other ways that I've never heard before Make sure you don't make fun of people with erectile dysfunction too hard because they will blow up the studio

Oh, yeah, no, I absolutely will kill you indiscriminate. I hate when people call erectile dysfunction Ed because it just spells my name And thankfully it's what he gives me So here are some other things if you want to call someone limp dick, maybe try one of these instead pudding pants Yeah, my father was more of a pudding pants. I like pudding pants. Pancake batter generals. Hey well hey. Or alt for that is pancock. Oh yeah. It's flat. Soggy logged. Honestly soggy logged is so much better than whiskey dick. I will absolutely say,

sorry, honey, I'm soggy log right now. I can't do it right now. Because the great thing about that is that when you say you're soggy log, she's not in the mood anymore either. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

And you've also hopefully made her laugh, but also made her not horny at the same time. Sorry, baby, a little soggy log tonight. Disengaged. What's the men cock yeah The mushy member okay puddle penis Hmm a little floppy in the jorts if you know what I'm saying hey now hey That's perfect for elephant view. There's a lot of jorts at elephant. Hi. Hi. You leave me alone. All right. I'm already angry

I'm already upset you already hear you've ever heard of Quicksand? His jeans are filled with dick sand. Alright, thank you everybody. Hey, leave me alone. Hey, leave me alone. It will not work, it's a blood pressure issue. Thank you Ed, I appreciate it. I'm afraid of me.

That's what this is, a psychological. I'm afraid of me, I'm afraid of my changes as a man. And the best way to say you've gone flaccid is you've gone full David Parker raid. Yeah Wow But it's unfair But since David Parker Ray couldn't maintain interrection He had as I mentioned earlier a disturbingly large collection of dildos that he would use to rape the women he abducted

Which is what he did with Kelly during all this time that Kelly was in the toy box Her husband had concluded that she'd simply run off with another man. This had been Kelly's third marriage before the age of 30, and since she'd run off with men before, it wasn't the worst guess. Even so, Kelly's husband still filed a police report when she was gone for 24 hours, but the cops did to say like, you know what, she probably just ran off. So when she was gone for 48, he bought a do-it-yourself divorce kit and began filling out the paperwork.

But little did he know that Kelly was gonna reappear the next day. See, three days after abducting Kelly, David Parker Ray released her at 8 a.m. on a Sunday morning after giving her a heavy cocktail of psychoactive drugs and stealing her wedding ring as a souvenir. That wedding ring was later recovered. The first thing Kelly remembered when she came to was being at a local gas station with David Parker Ray.

She was dressed back in the same clothes that she had been wearing when she was first abducted. David was wearing his park ranger uniform and he very calmly told her that he'd just found her wandering the beach in an incoherent state and he was there to take care of her and take her home. And the thing is, that cocktail worked. She did not remember what had happened the last three days at all. David then drove Kelly to her husband's house himself, where her husband was shocked by her appearance even though Kelly was known for being compulsively clean She was barefoot. She smelled she was dirty. It was off. She had been in a fucking tractor trailer for three days Can I ask about the drugs real quick?

So the drugs they make you forget everything that happened to you is she on drugs the entire time no no no It's up and down up up and down, conscious out. It's what happened during MKUltra. It's sleep deprivation, knocking out barbiturates, waking you up, putting you back to sleep, and then like, it just fucks with your memory. You almost think it's a dream. Yes, all she knows is that something fucking awful

has happened to her, but she doesn't know what it was and I think that's part of what makes David Parker a so evil yes truly evil is because it's like it's almost like what David Parker a wanted to create was like a living corpse like he wanted to create someone who was alive but dead like somebody who he had he tried to destroy people so thoroughly But he loved torture so much that he wanted them to be tortured for the rest of their day Oh, yes, you know it just it's what got him hard it went so like his Pathology went so incredibly deep, you know and there were a lot of these when they were covered from it

You know like it was very fucking difficult extraordinarily difficult, but they recovered from it. So he did not win But the impetus behind it is pure fucking evil. He got away with it for a long time Yeah, but even though something awful had obviously happened to Kelly her husband had already made up his mind He believed that Kelly and Jesse Ray were trying to somehow scam her, and he didn't believe her when she said that she didn't remember anything about the previous three days. David Parker Ray, meanwhile, stayed close by,

listening to the entire conversation. And when her husband finally kicked Kelly out, David gave her a ride to a nearby restaurant so a friend could look after her. The husband annulled the marriage soon after, and it took five years of nightmares and half remembered fragments until Kelly was finally able to piece together just what had happened after she left the bar with Jesse Ray that night. Now that's obviously a harrowing story on several levels, but that's just how things went down

when only Jesse and David were involved. We're about to introduce a whole new cast of characters who became heavily involved in David's twisted world, and it's with those accomplices that we'll return to our story next week That was what we didn't really cover when we fully when we first obviously stumbled upon this topic over a decade ago Yeah, it was because of that tape

We'd seen the tape and we were all fascinated with the tape and we kind of listened to it We did our light version of research and at one of the first times we did any research I almost like this the first time we did this it was the first time I ever wrote anything down Yeah, before like well checking shit out beforehand like I remember like actually like right like watching an A&E documentary and like Jotting down some notes like I should remember that yeah, I should probably get some of this correct. Yeah I should probably yeah, I should probably get some of this correct, but next week We're going to show that it was a whole operation that was like one of the well. I mean I think operation is wrong Formal at all it's just weird how many people it's a business

It's a club like David Parker is the only one that's making any money off of it Yeah, like he's basically David Parker ray is you know, it's he's monetizing his hobby He is you know, if you put in the and that just makes breaks my heart This year it's just somebody even in the 90s. We had a monetizer hobbies Fucking believe but in this thank God patron wasn't around back Ray would have went ham with Kickstarter But in the starkest sense like that's really what it was And I think it is important to make sure that we don't call it an organization

We don't call it a business because like it shit like this Where like myths like QAnon and all that shit start to spring out You know because you can make the jump so quickly to you know, there's you know a whole cabal behind this There's a whole network behind this when really it's just messy. It's just human It's just the way these things happen if there was a network you would have got caught a longer long time earlier Yeah, no one writes anything down and that's what you got to do next week We're gonna get into the same funny conversation that we're having right now We're gonna bring the same levity to this topic as we are well There's gonna be some goofy New Mexico fellas that's what I like here a man named Roy

I love a guy named everyone loves a Roy except for this Roy. He's actually this Roy is actually quite awful Yeah, yeah, do you think he just got him because his name rhymed with toy cute and also kind of like Ray? Yeah. Oh wow Ray Roy Oh patreon.com slash last podcast and left if you want to see a video for how much that joke made me smile Some good ones today gotta stay in yeah, we had some good ones today. There gotta stay in yeah, we have some good ones today There's got you had some good ones that got to come out, too And if you and also if you're a patreon member you can watch us every week at Tuesday at 6 p.m PST last stream on the left you can check it out and interact with us live on the chat Follow us on all the socials at LP on the left. That's tick tock and Instagram and don't forget to come see us on tour

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