Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 635: Aaron Hernandez Part II - Inside the Meat Grinder

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

This week, we pick back up with troubled football phenom Aaron Hernandez, who, after landing a spot on the New England Patriots and competing in the Super Bowl, would soon commit his first set of dead...ly crimes that would land the star behind bars at the age of 23. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to. This is the last podcast. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. Who's that? Oh, yeah! All right. Well, it is in charge.
Starting point is 00:00:24 Big. Ed is in charge. That's right, you fucker. Shut up. Ass Nugget. I have to listen For those of you who don't know Henry is wearing a hat
Starting point is 00:00:37 This is ass nugget Thank you, Metzindicat I'm sorry that the NFL NBA has destroyed your entire company Because you made this hat But it's really, really fun It says ass nuggets Instead of Denver Nuggets
Starting point is 00:00:52 Welcome to last podcast on the left Ladies and gentlemen My name is Marcus Barks I'm here with the making an effort Henry Zabrowski I'm an edge lord. Yeah. No, ma'am, it's sports.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Yeah, you're wearing your Dennis Robin t-shirt. Oh, look at that. I'm sports. Yeah. That's me. Let's play some round ball. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:01:12 Yeah. Well, that's fine. You know, you're wearing a basketball man's jersey. This is sports. Do you remember his nickname? The Worm. Yeah, you got it. You know what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Do you remember what pop singer he banged? I knew that he, remember when he had sex with what's her name? Carmen Electra. Yeah. And then also it was Carmen Electra. Madonna. Yeah, there we go. Henry knows sports.
Starting point is 00:01:33 I know tits. Tits in sports. And the man who knows where every penis and professional sports goes to Ed Larson. That's right. In the middle. It's usually right in the
Starting point is 00:01:49 middle. Yeah, usually. Usually. Normally. Depending on whether or not you're getting them in the foothole because you've got an amputation fetish, long long story. We covered it on side stories last week. I heard Troy Aikman's
Starting point is 00:02:03 penis was in the small of his back. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. You touch my tail. Please touch my tail. Hey, look, it's wagon. He must like you. Do you ever hear about that urban legend? I don't know why that was such a big urban legend when
Starting point is 00:02:19 I was in high school. Not in high school. No, that there was this weird urban legend going around in the 90s, which was really big in Texas, which was strange considering how big the cowboys were, then Akeman was the quarterback for the Cowboys. There was this urban legend that, like, did you know that they pumped a gallon of
Starting point is 00:02:35 semen out of Troy Aikman's stomach? Yeah, I heard that, actually. I did too, yeah. That was just a rumor that people made because, I don't know, because people hated the Cowboys. Yeah, I suppose so. Yeah, probably more about Hedger for the Cowboys. I don't know if you remember later on,
Starting point is 00:02:48 the next quarterback of the Cowboys was Tony Romo. Yes. And they had a fun nickname for him as well. I remember that one, yeah. Dude, he's a fucking lunatic. Yeah, he's a crazy asshole. driving drunk through the middle of the streets, according to sources. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:02 I have. And is it because of a certain head injury at Larson? Yeah. I don't think you played enough to get one. We'll see what happens here when we talk about things that are going on. But before we dive back into Aaron's story, we're going to start this episode with Marcus Parks' favorite thing in the world. Context. Context.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Context. Context. Yeah. We escaped. No, never. There is no escape from context for context is all, my friend. You're correct. Next year, Marcus is throwing his own festival, Context, in the desert.
Starting point is 00:03:42 He's in charge. Well, the reason all this pertains to our story is because Aaron Hernandez was diagnosed with CTE after his death. And it's thought that the CTE that riddled his brain, contributed to his violent behavior. Do you think that's what they'll find for me? A call to entertainment. Somehow you'll have CTE in your ass. You ass nugget.
Starting point is 00:04:11 It's ass nuggets. It's like it's the basketball team. All right, let's pull back the curtain on the game that shaped his life, broke his brain, and the league that has done everything in its power to make sure that this side of the story is never told. More NBA. NBA. It's more NBA. That's more NBA. That's the NBA theme, NBC.
Starting point is 00:04:37 NBA on the EC. Maybe one day we'll cover the NBA player who shot his limo driver in the chest. I love that guy. Should have seen him at the three point line. From downtown. He's on fire. You get it. Yeah, he was killed.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Well, the NFL, the National Football League, if you need me to say it, is more nation than league. They have a GDP of $18 billion a year. Twice that of Belize. Fuck you, Belize. That's a full stack of media propaganda, a sophisticated legal apparatus, deep political ties, and above all, they got an army. an army of the most gifted athletes to walk the earth the cream of the genetic crop each one of these dudes are a legend
Starting point is 00:05:32 wherever they come from be it a bustling city or a one bronco town and the NFL treats these soldiers like most nations do completely disposable yeah killing for profit that's what we're doing end of the meat right in there let's go
Starting point is 00:05:49 that's how I like my sausage I like it to have brain damage So let's get acronym crazy today and talk about the NFL and CTE. Sports. And the thing is, it's been like this forever. Like, I told my cousin about this series. He's a big football guy. And he sent me a link to a book that I wasn't able to read in time.
Starting point is 00:06:11 But it was, I think, called, like, The Meat Grinder. And it was, like, written in the 70s by an NFL player. So it's not like this is, like, a new thing where the NFL has been treating these guys, like they're just talking, you know, whatever. It's so crazy, because we've known since, I don't know, Roman times that head injuries exist and they change you. Yeah, I think it just, like, decided that it doesn't happen in football for some fucking reason. Eddie, you said several words that say that. And that's because you said the words, $18 billion.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Yes. And you said, you didn't say the word, how much fun it is to watch. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's a good for, you know what, as I get older, The old. I'm being straight today. That's right. It's good enough, you know, stuff, you know, you put. put a football game on, take a nap.
Starting point is 00:06:55 It's actually a great thing to have on. Nap, that and a Western. I love for a nap. Oh, tell me. Oh, nothing better than having a fucking three beers in the morning, watching a Western. I've never made it to the end of stagecoach. Why would you?
Starting point is 00:07:08 It's like, it's just nap fuel. Isn't it four hours? It's very long. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, it's just, well, Westerns is just like guys riding horses to places and having conversations in between. No, it's existential problems. Very sleepy.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Well, in the late 90s, Mike Webster, he's a, he was a Hall of Fame center and a Pittsburgh Steeler legend. He was spiraling, all right? I was a center, and everyone will give you an excuse why their position's the most dangerous, you know. But the center is the one lineman who routinely gets targeted on blitzes and usually is responsible for blocking the middle linebacker, arguably the hardest hitting man on the field. So the guy, that guy's got to be big. Yeah, he's got to be big. He's got to be fearless.
Starting point is 00:07:50 He's got to strong. Is he, his center's the, him and the quarterback. are the only players that touch the ball every play. Yeah, and the center is usually the biggest guy on the team. Yeah, and always. No, the tackles are usually the biggest guys. The center's got, like, a good, like, center of gravity. He has to be, it's the only lineman that has, like, real talent
Starting point is 00:08:08 because you have to hike and, like, all that shit. I take that back, not biggest, fattest. That's what I meant to say. They got big butts. Because it wins. But no, the center's the idea, too, because you get low. Yeah, well, the left tackle is usually the most important, because it protects the quarterback's backside.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Sure. If he's a right-hander. Yes. Yeah. But I do remember, yeah, growing up and playing football, Sinner was always the fattest guy in the team. Always. I was big, but I wasn't the fattest.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Terry Donaldson, you were the fattest. And despite a storybook career, Webster, he was depressed, erratic, and he became unrecognizable to his wife. He couldn't keep his thought straight. His teeth were falling out. so much that he super glued them back in his head. His back pain was so bad that he couldn't sleep
Starting point is 00:08:59 without tasing himself unconscious, which I didn't know would work. Nice long day of being confused. Time to go to sleep. That's amazing. Like, if you ever saw the movie concussion, he's the guy in the beginning of the movie. Gotcha. All right.
Starting point is 00:09:17 So he was homeless. He was broken. And eventually started begging the NFL to help. After a long legal crusade, which became the only focal point for his blurring cognition, he finally received a minimum disability payment from the league, $2,000 a month. Barely enough for a new taser. How's he going to go to sleep? How's you going to relax?
Starting point is 00:09:39 Well, he then died of a heart attack in 2002. He was 50 years old at the time. Yeah, I mean, everyone talks about how young wrestlers die, but NFL players do not last much longer. Isn't the average career of an NFL player four years? Something like that, yeah, like three to four years. Average, you know, like some guys play for 13, you know, some place played for a couple plays. You know, you never depends on how good you are. Yeah, and the Steelers, and, like, I think particularly the team that this guy was on, like, just so many of those got, like, Steelers in particular.
Starting point is 00:10:10 The Iron Curtain, they were known, they're known for their smash mouth football. They're known for kicking the shit out of people. Yeah, stillers know how to take a don't time. Yeah. So, Will Smith, or better known as Dr. Bennett Omalu, and I prefer him as Will Smith. He's a Nigerian-born forensic pathologist in Pittsburgh. He autopsied Webster's body. He had no idea who Webster was.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Umalu, he's a big character in this NFL's CTE saga. And despite many conflicting accounts of him, one thing that remains constant, the man didn't give a single shit about football. All he cared about was brains When he saw Webster's He's like, yeah He can't wait He tasted himself to sleep And delicious
Starting point is 00:10:58 And when he saw Webster's He expected shrinkage damage Telltale signs of Alzheimer's And dementia Instead, it looked healthy A little too healthy So we dug a little deeper He put it under a microscope
Starting point is 00:11:12 He saw it Tau protein Tons of it When tau protein is marbled through the brain like A5 wago, it's a smoking gun of chronic, traumatic, encephalopathy, or CTE. Ironically, Webster's brain became the defining brain to explain CTE. Which also really nice about that is that you can get a good my yard reaction on a really hot crock pot, like a really nice, like really hot, searing hot pan. The brain is frittled with that tau protein. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:43 the crust you can get when you sear it is just so good it activates the natural sugars in the towel everyone always says eat the ass, eat the thighs eat the CT riddle bread
Starting point is 00:11:58 so we won't go too far into the medical weeds here mostly because I'm not a doctor and have trouble pronouncing medical terms but basically when the brain is subjected to consistent impact it panics It isn't designed for this.
Starting point is 00:12:14 It's only has one fail-safe. That's tau protein, which in a healthy brain is like a lubricant designed to smooth over all these brain tears. But when subjected to the constant barrage that is any given Sunday, the brain goes nuclear, pressing the big red button and letting tau protein run wild. Eventually, this tau protein goes rogue and becomes a pervasive sludge that gets caught into the nooks and crannies that control emotion, cognition, in general, humanness. I had no idea that that's what this was. Yeah. Fortunately, I had to tell you.
Starting point is 00:12:48 It's interesting. This causes a range of symptoms such as memory loss, depression, impulse control problems, hyper-aggressiveness, and often leads to depression, suicide, and sometimes murder. What's incredible about this is that, I mean, the human brain, like, head injuries really do have so much bearing on our behavior. The other things that we've noticed over the years, you know, a study in serial killers. Like, so many of them have these specific injuries to the frontal lobe.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Like who? Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, John Wayne Gasey, Richard Ramirez. That's just off the top of my head. Yeah. You know, but, you know, and... Off theirs, too. Yeah. But it's, yeah, it is, you know, when you say, like, general humanness, like, when that
Starting point is 00:13:35 frontal lobe gets damaged, it does take away a lot of the things that do make you, that keep you in society and keep you from doing things that make you an unacceptable society, such as serial killing. But what this shows is that there are many different ways to get, there are many different paths to get to the point where your brain just stops functioning as a social object. Joseph Campbell actually put it in a really interesting way in a little talk I was listening to recently where he talked about the idea of all of history starts with biology. So every single thing begins with our brains. So it's just kind of amazing what happens to. you when you destroy your brain
Starting point is 00:14:13 because actually we're just brains walking around. Yeah, we really are. And Campbell, he had soup for brains. Yeah. Yes. But speaking to Campbell, I do have a kind of a pet theory that is not backed by science in any way whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Good. That that, you know, the brain, you know, maybe the frontal lobe or maybe something like that. Like, it's what kind of connects us to the collective unconsciousness. Yeah, and we're getting gooping shit all over. Yeah. And then Once you're not connected to that anymore, once you're not connected to the rest of humanity, you lose your empathy, you lose your ability to say like, no, this is wrong.
Starting point is 00:14:49 I shouldn't do this. This might hurt somebody. And then once you get disconnected from that, you are fucked. So at the time, CTE was pretty much exclusively known as a boxing thing, you know? On the street, they called it being punched drunk. It was cute. Yeah. Paul Thomas Anderson made a documentary about it, I think.
Starting point is 00:15:06 I never saw it. So, yeah, it was about boxing. and little tripanos and pudding. Nonetheless, CTE has never been associated with football until now. O'Malu published his findings in the journal Neurosurgery in 2005. Oh, shit, I had that issue. That's the one that had the Dr. Ruth Centerfold. My subscription ran out in 2004, so I missed this one.
Starting point is 00:15:33 But then he sent his findings to the NFL. He was assuming, like, you know, they'd want to know. In fact, he expected a little bit of gratitude. You know, like, heads up, caught this neurodegenerative disease lurking your most valuable asset, your players. So you can do something about that. You're welcome, you know? I think that that's not what they were looking for, though, Eddie. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Well, they did something all right. And it did not involve a fruit basket. And the only fruit basket they had to deal with was that one guy's brain. No edible arrangement for Omalu, just headable derangement. Come on. Yeah, come on. All right. Instead, he got hit with the full blitz, a billion-dollar propaganda.
Starting point is 00:16:11 machine. Wow. Yeah, he's fucked. Yeah, the first thing the NFL did their own research. That's right. They had to fight good research with bad research, so they assembled the committee and they run it. They needed someone incompetent. No, they were running an old run. Dude, that's all
Starting point is 00:16:27 it was. It was an audible. But they needed someone not just incompetent, but confidently incompetent. And if you're looking for incompetence in the NFL, please look no further than the New York Jets. This is a personal beef, though. We're really going to see a lot of Ed's, his own bias here.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Yeah, I mean, side note, as a lifelong Dolphins fan, there's no team I hate more than the fucking Jets, you know. I'd rather root for Russia during the Olympics. You know, but no matter how much I hate the Jets, no one hates the Jets more than Jets fans. Yeah, they do hate themselves and the Jets as well. Dude, I'd go to the Dolphins game every year I was in NYC, and it was crazy to watch.
Starting point is 00:17:06 I remember once, me and my buddy Kep, I went to the game and the Dolphins took the lead in the fourth and we were obnoxious and singing the Dolphins fight song and right as I was like, you know, I'm like looking for a fight you know. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, because you're around, you're in New Jersey.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Exactly. You know, it's what you do there. It's a past time. It's the tone. But a different thing happened to me. It was crazy. The Jets fans started telling us, sing you louder. Sing it so a fucking team can hear it. They deserve it. You're right? I never had my playful aggression turned on that way before.
Starting point is 00:17:39 That's amazing. It's the Jets for you, man. It's New Jersey. It's New York. Fuck them. Yeah, you fucking. You know, you're right.
Starting point is 00:17:47 Sing it loud. Have you sing it aloud so they can fucking hear it. Oh, yeah. You suck. So they tap Dr. Elliot Pelman, the Jets team doctor, who's a rheumatologist,
Starting point is 00:17:59 not a neurologist. And being from the Jets, Pelman's main credentials seem to be loyalty and the ability to squit and say such lies as, I don't see a problem And this could be our year This is it
Starting point is 00:18:11 This could be our year Yeah I think that was the tattoo That that coat That Jets coats got right next to The quarterback who fucked his wife Right next to her name was This could be our year Oh yeah the foot lover
Starting point is 00:18:26 Yeah the foot lover Ryan whatever his name was All right so he gets back to work Assembling a crack team of fellow elite humans From the Giants and the Steelers Remember the Steelers historically The most concussed team of all time And together, they've formed the mild traumatic brain injury committee.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Not to be confused with the spicy traumatic brain injury committee or the barbecue or the terriacchi. Mild traumatic brain injury committee. What committee you think came up with the committee's name? I know. To make it sound as innocent as like mild traumatic brain. We're the traumatic brain injury committee. Why don't you go ahead and toss mild at the front of that so we don't have to worry about nothing? We just want to make sure we're covering the mild ones so the serious ones can go unlooked at it.
Starting point is 00:19:14 This committee, well, they love two things, eating wings and denying CTE, two things that are very necessary for football's popularity. So here you have it. These princes of New York, New Jersey, and Pittsburgh coming together to do one thing. Discredit a Nigerian doctor named Bennett-O-Maloo. Turns out, they had a knack for it. And for whatever reason, they seem to have a real problem. with a science. There's, there was just something funky about it. Yeah. Something they couldn't put their finger on. It was, uh, dark somehow. They called his science flawed. Junk. And even, this is a fact, they called it voodoo science. Oh, wow, my ears are hurting from all these dog whistles. So despite this totally reasonable and not at all racist backlash, O'MALU was a scientist who made a breakthrough. So he, so he's, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:06 he continued pursuing the brains of deceased NFL players. Even though, again, he knew who none of these people were. He continued to find evidence of CTE and prominent players who had even more prominent deaths. One was Terry Long. Another former Steelers lineman who was suffering from severe depression and cognitive decline, he died of suicide in 2005 by drinking antifreeze. Hey, it's just good to know that there's no ice in my belly. The fuck is it with these Steelers
Starting point is 00:20:39 One guy's using tasers to fall asleep The other guy is drinking anti-freeze To commit to us Jesus Christ It's not thinking super clear Yeah Pittsburgh Steelers The Raiders get all the credit
Starting point is 00:20:48 For having the craziest fans The Steelers have the craziest fucking fans We had to kick them out Of our BW3s in Tallahassee They were like They would bring in like Thousands of dollars a week And we had to stop them from coming
Starting point is 00:20:59 Because they were just like one of them Started firing a gun off In the parking lot when they won His name was Big Black Love that band though So Amalu later confirmed The presence of CTE in Long's brain Making him the second former NFL player
Starting point is 00:21:16 Diagnosed after Mike Webster Another prominent case was Justin Stresliak Who suffered from erratic behavior And increasing paranoia Offered a gas station attendant $3,000 told him the evil ones are coming And the head for the hills Thank you so much, Mrs. Trisiat
Starting point is 00:21:33 See you soon Well, shortly thereafter, he led police on a 40-mile high-speed chase before crashing into a tanker truck and a fiery explosion. I don't know who that guy was, but I loved him. He's watching it on the news. That's the guy that made me a 3,000 there, honey. That's the guy that started it off. Well, Omalu got his hands on his brain and CTE again, of course.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Skid me some of them brains. But now the NFL has gotten there and they've removed O'Malu. They've discredited him enough. And the work has been passed on to Dr. Anne McKee, a neuropathologist from Boston University. We briefly mentioned her the last episode. McKee, at the time, was the foremost expert in Alzheimer's detection in brains. She had looked at thousands of... Thousands of brains.
Starting point is 00:22:29 In her career. Her entire life was brain. Put it this way. The only people who made more on brain damage was Pink Floyd. Hey, Green Day. Oh, well, that was Brain Stu. He's right. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Also, I will say, Aaron Hernandez might have been the lunatic on the grass. Anyway. Good, Pink Floyd, Ben. One day, she gets a call from a guy named Chris Nowinski. You probably know him. Henry. He's Polish. Former Harvard. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Oh, you guys know, you know each other, right? That's racist. A former Harvard football player and W.W.E. wrestler known as Chris Harvard. Chris believed that he has CTE. And being smart, he stopped doing the things that could make it worse years ago. And since he's made it his life's mission to gather more research on it, cool dude. So he became the brain repo man. If a football player died under suspicious neurological circumstances,
Starting point is 00:23:30 Noewinsky was there with a cooler. Yeah, dump it in. Get this guy a Yeti sponsorship deal. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I brought in my rolling cooler. It's great. I drove it here. Hi, my name's Chris Nuiski.
Starting point is 00:23:40 You might know me more as Chris Harvard, but now these days I'm known as the brain man. I'm here, and I'm here to bring the brains to the scientists so they can look at the brains. To that, sign out, if the brains is okay. Me job is to research brains, and me look for brains everywhere brains go. That's why I have this bucket of super-snoppy, ultra-messed-up brains.
Starting point is 00:24:01 Because these are the brains That need the most help So, buy the brain bucket from Yeti Keep brains cold Or hot If you're coming from a fiery car cracks You might want to keep them brains liquid I'm sorry Chris you sound like a very nice man
Starting point is 00:24:17 He sounds like a very nice man He sounds like a man who's devoted his life To a very good car But he's a brain man Fire! Fire! Fire! So McKee and Nowitzky have become the dynamic duo The foremost team
Starting point is 00:24:30 studying the NFL CTE link outside of the NFL's own FACTA committee. In 2012 now, all right, we're moving forward. Junior Sayout, we all know him. You've heard of this guy, right? His brain landed on their table. Junior was everything the NFL wanted to hold up as a hero. A 12-time pro bowler, Hall of Famer, unstoppable middle linebacker with movie star charisma.
Starting point is 00:24:56 He was beautiful. Best hair in the entire NFL. Oh, my God. Great, great hair. Yeah, off the field, he was sunshine incarnate. The guy was a true legend and even a legendary hang by all accounts. By the age of 43, just two years after retiring, that's a long-ass fucking career. As a middle linebacker retiring at 41.
Starting point is 00:25:15 He was there for, like, Junior Seow was like one of those guys that was just always in the NFL. Yeah, yeah. This is Junior Seow's shoe print, man. But Seow, unfortunately, he ended up shooting himself. in the chest with a shotgun. It wasn't a cry for help. It was a message. The man who had it all had been quietly losing his grip for years.
Starting point is 00:25:38 He had mood swings, domestic violence, drugs, gambling. Why does personality change so drastically? He wanted his brain studied. And when they did, the result was chilling. Advanced CTE. From here... This is CTE with the master's degree. So from here with McKee holding a scalp.
Starting point is 00:25:59 and Nguinsky holding the cooler. Bring! The CTE body count kept piling up, big time. As a fan, it was devastating for McKee personally, but as a scientist, the numbers couldn't lie. Oh, I thought she said she was going to be. She was ecstatic. A brief fast forward here.
Starting point is 00:26:17 I mentioned this in the last episode, but I want to bring it up again. As of 2023, McKee had studied 376 former NFL player brains. 345 had CTE. that's 91.7%. The same likelihood of getting diarrhea after eating diarrhea.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Not a fluke. It's a crisis. Because an 8.3% of the times eating that diarrhea? That's you right. Yeah, it's kind of fine. You got to do it. It's like a greasy meal after drinking.
Starting point is 00:26:46 I was putting it back in. I didn't lose anything. You shake it up. It becomes solid. Who knew? Swallow some cornstarch. Only 8.3% of the time. Fly from North Wales.
Starting point is 00:26:59 All right, so back to 2007. Now the NFL decides to start to think about attempting to begin to have a conversation about doing something about this maybe. So they have their first official concussion summit. All right, everybody, everybody dizzy? Everybody dizzy? Did everybody on your way? And did you see the hammer man? Because there is a hammer man before you get it.
Starting point is 00:27:24 And you must be hitting the head with the hammer before coming into this room. Make sure before you take your seat Then you get a bunk Before you give you your speech You got to put your head on a baseball bat And spin in a circle day. So McKee Was invited to speak.
Starting point is 00:27:42 O'Mallu was not, which was a big burn at the time. He was still the preeminent published researcher On the subject back then. So McKee, who, mind you, is a huge football fan. She grew up in a football family. She presented her research.
Starting point is 00:27:57 It was rigorous, terrifying, undeniable. I think it's better to hear it from a fan, actually. Yeah, of course. The room was full of NFL reps, and they all rolled their eyes. They groaned. Yet again, there was just something about her science, something they couldn't put their finger on. It was like emotional somehow, like a real nagging type of science. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:19 It's like a science. It gets irritable. Yeah, I like to call it yak, yak, yak, yeah, science. So despite the scoff fest, the NFL must have sensed menstrual blood in the water. So they outed Pelman, the Jets finest, and found an actual neurologist to replace him, Dr. Ira Kassan. Don't worry, though. He was handpicked for being a stooge. In fact, he earned the nickname Dr. No for constantly denying the connection between football and brain trauma and attempting to kill James Bond.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Yes. I want you to die. also you can't read the plays anymore So at this point Paul Tagliabu The commissioner of the NFL retires And Roger Goodell steps up for the job Goddell is the son of a politician
Starting point is 00:29:10 And a master of vague statements Who has been prepping for this gig his entire life He immediately develops a CTE playbook So difficult for those guys to read And as if he also worked for the Jets It only had one play in it. Higher scientists who never come up with any answers and say you can't do anything until you get some answers because you're not a scientist. It's a good plan.
Starting point is 00:29:34 It is. Yeah. And it worked, man. Goodell would get questioned before Congress. And on the news, he would go over and over the same thing. I am not a scientist. I don't know. What does Roger Goodell sound like?
Starting point is 00:29:45 You can make him, Kennedy. Oh, I am no one of scientists. And we can't do anything until we get some science. Some good, clean. Science, not colored or tainted with feelings. Some supreme milky white lab coat science. Yeah. This goes beyond we've investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong.
Starting point is 00:30:06 It was more like the investigation into ourselves is still pending and we couldn't possibly do anything until we get results, which seemed to be taking forever. And it worked. Eventually, it was the families of the players who had enough. They sued forming a massive class action lawsuit. And in 2016, 2016, mind you, this crisis have been bubbling since the mid-90s. Marcus says the 70s, the NFL paid $765 million in class action settlement. Case closed, not bad, right? Well, I mean, that's like $38,000 a player.
Starting point is 00:30:43 It's not enough. But it's exactly the amount you give to somebody whose brains are so scrambled. They don't know it's not enough. And also, it's a huge number. because it's a lot of people. So it sounds like a fucking shit ton of money. And it is a lot of money until you break it down. Yes, all right.
Starting point is 00:31:00 And they can't live the rest of their brain damage lives off of $38,000. Now, and you also got to remember a lot of these guys, like, some, you know, the average curse, four years, right? Maybe. Yeah, maybe four years. These are guys who go from being big shit in high school where they don't pay any attention, many of them don't pay any attention to education. They get to college.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Again, the same thing. They might not even graduate college before going to the NFL. They spend three, four years in the NFL, and then they're done. What the fuck are they going to do after that? They don't know how to do anything else. They just started having, like, financial education and stuff like that for these guys. You know, they started doing that, but, you know, obviously not enough. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:31:46 They're all come from low-income families. You know, everyone in their families hitting them up for money. Everyone thinks you're a fucking millionaire. But, you know, like, once you start making more money, you got more taxes, you got more shit, you got to pay all these other people, you got to pay lawyers, you got to pay your agents, the money goes away faster than you fucking think. Yeah, it goes away very fast. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Yeah, I mean, a lot of these guys end up becoming car salesmen. Oh, yeah. So the NFL worked out a deal where they would have to admit no wrongdoing, nothing, zero. On paper, they were just feeling generous, I guess. They wanted to give up almost a billion dollars in the spirit of charity. All this begs to question, why not you? did the NFL choose these dark tactics? Or a better question, why did
Starting point is 00:32:27 they exclusively choose them? Listen, I get it was a real threat to the company. Turns out that the thing that is fundamental to the game, hitting each other, is deadly. Whoops. On some point, on what level you do
Starting point is 00:32:42 you do choose this violence to yourself. You choose to play football, but it's more just denying the fact that Like, I think most people would be able to kind of understand that football is dangerous to the player. Everybody knows it is. Everybody knows that it is.
Starting point is 00:33:00 But it's more of the, they're not doing anything to mitigate it. But, I mean, I'll say this, you know, coming from a football family, you know, and coming from, you know, like, you know, my uncle played for Texas Tech. You know, you use an offensive lineman. You know, my brothers were both really big football player, all that shit. You know, what people worry about when they talk about being football players, they'd say, like, oh, you're, you're. your knee's are going to be bad. My knee, my shoulder. You're going to deal with back problems when you're older. You know, nobody, nobody talks about your brain. Ever. No, it is, it's taboo. Also, the knee and back thing ain't nothing to fucking scoff at either. It's not. God know.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Half of these dudes end up with fucking pill addictions. Oh, I get it. Yeah. And they're just shooting them up with cortisone and putting them right on the fucking field again. Yeah, they're making strong. Yeah. And they're going to deal with that back shit for the rest of their lives. Yeah. So the more science that comes out, the more it shows that it's not the big concussions that cause CTE. It's the smaller sub-concussions, the all in a day's work, nine to five head slams that do the real damage. Yeah, that's what we were talking about bobsled brain that they're dealing with in the Olympics. Really? Yeah, they're having a real hard time because no one wants to talk about.
Starting point is 00:34:09 There's a gigantic CTE conversation inside of the world of bobsleding that they're not ready to talk about as well because it's the inherent nature of the sport. Yeah, you can't change it. Yeah, you would just have to. stop doing it. Yes. Yeah. Which ain't going to happen. No.
Starting point is 00:34:23 Sure. Because you know how fucking lucrative bobsledding it. You know, fucking that gravy train. Those guys are on. The only time Bob Splitting made money was when they made a movie about the worst bobsledding too. Yeah. A job candy was the one who saw that movie. And he was a cheater.
Starting point is 00:34:44 So each hit in football is different than the next, right? But an NFL hit has been equated. to getting into a 20 to 30 mile an hour car crash. This is something that may happen 60 times in a game for some players, sometimes multiple times in one play. And you know who was amazing at getting hit multiple times in one play and not going down? Aaron Hernandez.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Yeah, man. He was big as fuck. And especially when you... That was his thing! When you watch, like, that's when I truly understood how Aaron Hernandez got to where he got at such a young age, is when I saw the footage of him playing high school ball. You know, because he's a big guy
Starting point is 00:35:21 and he would hit three, four dudes with his head. Yeah. Every play. And on the way to the end zone, like every just, and starting at like 15, 16. You ever see OJ play?
Starting point is 00:35:34 Yeah. Fucking, he would hit the hole, head up, like chest up, and just run through people. Yeah. Fucking using his head as a battering ram. You wonder what happened there. Yeah, what did happen to OJ?
Starting point is 00:35:46 You know who else was a running back in college? Bill Cosby. Yes. Oh, wow. Interesting, but, I mean, it sounds like he was real clear-headed about what he was doing. All right. So, in fact, as far as sub-concussions go, the helmet is the problem, all right? The head smashes up against it, and all the neurons and ganglia, the wiring that
Starting point is 00:36:08 attached to the brain gets torn apart, you know? So it's clear why this is a big problem for the NFL. But what's insane and unforgivable is their decision to. just go full denial with no off-ramp. Like, we get it. You want to keep the money train going. Okay, fine. Kick the can down the road until you figure out a solution.
Starting point is 00:36:30 But figure out a fucking solution. They didn't put any money into that. $800 million in the payouts. God knows how much in the Hocom science. But why not also put it in the research if there is an actual solution? Wouldn't that be cool? Because there is no solution. The solution isn't in the sport.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Yeah. Well, maybe the NFL brass is so cynical. That they never even considered that this might be preventable, that the tech would have been so mind-blowing, pun intended, or maybe that they just don't care. But left to its own devices, the market is figuring it out. A company called Rezon. Oh, that's nice reason. A company called Rezon just released a headband that stops 61% of sub-concussive impact. It's a headband.
Starting point is 00:37:16 It's not very space age. Sounds kind of gay, though. Doesn't have Bluetooth or anything like that? Exactly. He's just a cushiony headband. Yeah, Eddie, I'm getting a lot of red flags on this. This whole thing might be preventable by a fucking headband. Yeah, I'm pretty against that.
Starting point is 00:37:33 As a watcher, as a consumer, yeah. You know, rugby don't use a helmet. And yes, rugby players have been diagnosed with CTE, but at a much lower rate than American football-style players. Of the rugby players' brains analyze 68% of the brain, have it, as opposed to football's 92, still not great, but a shit ton better. Oh, only 68%. Wow.
Starting point is 00:37:55 That's mostly them punching each other's in the heads after the game. That's like one of those things where it's like good... I feel like with rugby players, most of their life is getting concussed. Yeah, I mean, sure, there's a parallel universe where the NFL reacted
Starting point is 00:38:11 by denying, buying itself more time, but also invested in research and development eventually comes out and says, yes, CTE is real problem and we found a real solution. Then maybe we could forgive the denial and the game would move on safe and sound. No.
Starting point is 00:38:27 That's not what men do. That's right. That's not what a manly institution does. No. It just, chest up, head down, fucking rolling right through that fucking shit. Fuck yeah. And that's why we're in this fucked up universe.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Oh, yeah. For the NFL fosters a completely inhuman borderline disdain for its own players. These are the people who make them billions of dollars where their knee-jerk reaction is to deny, deflect, and litigate and do the wrong thing every single time. And the reason, you're going to love this. The reason the NFL is so dead set on choosing the path of denial,
Starting point is 00:39:07 the chewy center of this conspiracy is women. Moms. In a bunch of interviews with the NFL Illuminati, they set it out right. If 10% of moms in this country decide football's too dangerous for their kids to play, the game is dead. Yeah. Not that much. Nope.
Starting point is 00:39:24 There's a video of Robert Kraft, you know, Hernandez's owner, eyes moist, looking into the camera saying, I can tell any mother out there, it's safe. It's chilling. It's safe to play the game. It's safe to the American. And this is a man who testified during Aaron Hernandez's murder trial. Correct. Yeah, it's feeling it's fine.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Yeah. He also went to prison for getting a handy. Oh, yeah! His biggest crime! And also, remember, Vladimir Putin, I don't know if you know this. Yeah, stole his Super Bowl rings. Yep, yeah, and he just dealt with it. Of course. What are you going to do?
Starting point is 00:40:01 Yeah, obviously, you meet Vladimir Putin. You take something of yours. You just leave, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not fucking with a guy down the street, much less Vladimir Putin. I think I could get him. I mean, you're not a child. He can't jiu-jitsu slam you. Nah. So this whole thing
Starting point is 00:40:20 This pile of bodies And billion dollar conspiracy Amounts to a bunch of rich man Children afraid mom was going to find Out and make everyone come inside It's the only time they ever acknowledge a woman Is any sort of power though So in a way that's
Starting point is 00:40:35 Kind of, you know, a breath of fresh air Not bad You're right Let's give them some credit Yeah let's give them some credit For painting all women as a domestic babymakers and that's really the only power they have in the home is when it comes
Starting point is 00:40:52 to, you know, dudes being motherfucking dude. That's what this is about. Motherfucker. Dudes. That chest hair
Starting point is 00:41:02 being confused. I'm a confused fucking dude. I mean, you know, we all know it hasn't stopped. The NFL Combine keeps churning these young boys' brains in the mush.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Anne McKee has proven in her well-qualified research that it's not years of football that can do this. It could be days. And it's more likely to happen to young developing brains, not less. Can't they just play later? What do you mean? What have we made it to the kids played football later than earlier? They would have to start playing at 25.
Starting point is 00:41:40 That's fun. That'll open it up to everybody. It really would. Anybody can play football. have to be in some college. Think about that. Open calls every year. No scouts. Open calls. I mean, it would make it more fun.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Would that be a fucking blast? It would be. It would be incredible, but that's not going to happen. Because by the time you're 25, half of these guys are already out of the NFL. Yeah, of course. You know what? We'll just choose incarcerated people. Oh, my God. That's not a bad idea. Now we're back to the Angola Prison
Starting point is 00:42:11 Radio. We're just having fun with American concept. Well, CTE isn't a veteran's injury. It's not wear and tear. You risk it the moment you strap on that helmet. Wyatt Bromwell. An 18-year-old high school football player committed suicide in July of 2019.
Starting point is 00:42:31 In the minutes before he died, he recorded a video asking that his brain be donated to science because he believed he was suffering from CTE, telling his family that the voices and demons inside his head had taken over and he'd hope they would understand his decision to end the pain. Two years later, McKee confirmed it, CTE and an 18-year-old, an advanced stage two case that had clearly been developing for years. This is the youngest person had ever been sampled in, and it was proof this disease doesn't start when you get a Super Bowl ring. It starts when you get a Snickers bar after you spent all day sweating into a garbage bag and taking laxatives just to make wait for a pee-wee football game. Personal experience out of medicine? I added my old little thing in there.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Is there a little part of me that's jealous of all the attention you got from your father? I was the only child. Yep. You should have been stronger. I should have been. If my father cared for, I would have been a walking, jabber and idiot
Starting point is 00:43:32 just like some of these guys. No, I'm sorry, Henry. You just, you're too small. I know. Because it is. Me and Eddie were big enough. You know, like, if you actually look at the Instagram page,
Starting point is 00:43:45 the last podcast Instagram page We actually posted some pictures of me in high school like playing football I was a lot bigger than I am now It's crazy, you look bigger What's up? How were you bigger?
Starting point is 00:43:57 I think I might have been too to be on. I feel like my 18 year old body could beat me up now. Oh God, yeah. No, when I was in high school I had about 20 to 30 pounds more muscle on me
Starting point is 00:44:08 than I have right now because I have that thing where I can build up muscle really like the genetic thing where it's called like the Olympian Gene, where I can build up muscle very, very quickly, but also lose it just as quickly. So, yeah, when I was in high school, lifted weights, you know, doing all that shit.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Like, yeah, I was a lot bigger than I am now. See, I was just spending time learning how to do conalingas so good. They'd have to put me in a woman's prison. But you were practicing on cheeseburgers. I destroyed another one. But even in my short time playing football, like, I came away with permanent injuries. My right leg is as shorter than my left leg. My hip is fucked up, my shoulder's fucked up.
Starting point is 00:44:47 Yeah, like, yeah, broke my right leg. And, yeah, it's shorter, causes back problems, causes all kinds of shit. Yeah, my lips got so narrow. Crazy narrow lips trying to get out of the way of my. Slicing tongue. Slicy, slice, little duck-like tongue. Oh, it's so funny, because you say shit like that, and I just have to come back in with something utterly depressing.
Starting point is 00:45:10 I love this. Maybe I, you know, maybe I could be a bit of a, segue here, but you know, what I will say, to Henry's point, is that when I was in high school, I got way more dates from theater than I ever did from football. Way more
Starting point is 00:45:27 from theater. I was the only straight man around. The only ladies in football are cheerleaders and they are unattainable. Yeah. All right, well, the fact is these CTE adult players who demand research as their last wish are martyrs. They're laying down their lives with the hope of making it better for the next guy. But with the NFL's
Starting point is 00:45:55 continued denial, others are starting to seek revenge. In July 2025, a 27-year-old named Shane Tamura entered a New York high rise and killed four people in himself. The investigation revealed it was his intention to reach the NFL headquarters housed in that building. He went to the wrong floor and in his pocket was a note saying he believed that he had
Starting point is 00:46:21 CTE and wanted his brain studied. Tamura wasn't in the NFL but he was a running back until halfway through high school. It doesn't matter what level you play the game. You're still gambling with your brain. That's true. Yeah. George Carlin, he had a famous bit about
Starting point is 00:46:37 it, baseball versus football. Oh yeah. where he talks about how baseball is pastoral and how it's America's pastime and football is... You run. You run home. You run home. One of my favorite bits. And football is war.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Strategic tactical maneuvers executed on a gridiron, the blitz. Listen to the pit. It's actually great. It is a great bet. If we extend the metaphor, we see how accurate it really is. It is a war. And it's generals smoke stogies
Starting point is 00:47:06 in the owner's box while the soldiers bleed on the field. And like too many war stories, the real atrocities are atoned for when it's too little, too late. If Pete sells, but who's buying? Think the Agent Orange cover-up, the Iraq burn pits, tobacco companies telling us that smoking doesn't kill. The NFL is aping from the same playbook as many oppressive governments who have become so obsessed with their own self-interest that they betrayed the very people who actually fight their battles. The NFL brass are no less war criminals And no amount of money or jail time
Starting point is 00:47:42 Could make amends What if they all got them all together And they had him play football against one NFL team I feel like that's a good way to do it Get all their suits together Suit them all up So you'd be like all right We're going to test and see how good all this stuff goes
Starting point is 00:47:54 And then you bring in the offensive line From the Detroit Lions You know what I'd say I'll do you on better Even take retired players Who are the same age as the owners Yeah Even do that Run them like
Starting point is 00:48:06 Little bit, run it, man. He's fucking flattened. Yeah, I don't care how old Chen Sharp is. I wouldn't want to take a hit from him today at his age. Oh, he's fucking terrified. Yeah, he's in his 50s, but no. Yeah, man. The only punishment that fits the crime would be live inside of one of the heads of their CTE riddle players.
Starting point is 00:48:25 To go from being a titan of life, the guy who scores the winning touchdown, who gets the girl in the million dollar check to a broken down shell of a man who can't remember who he is, was or why he even wanted to be alive. I just thought that happens to all men. Or maybe they could at least spend a night in Aaron Hernandez's
Starting point is 00:48:46 isolated prison cell that he brutally ended his life in. That would be a fitting punishment. But nobody would wish that on anybody. I would look at it. Just going to look at it. I don't know. Maybe the NFL could just listen to their new slogan for 2025 and say
Starting point is 00:49:01 inspire change and do something about this. Does they legitimate is their tagline inspire change? That's the new one. Last year was end racism. Oh, did it work? No, because I remember when I went to the Bengals game,
Starting point is 00:49:16 it was like they had the end zone, they had all these things that said end racism, end racism, it was like a big part of the game, but then they made everyone wear white. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, and now, here comes Chief Big Bottom, ready to do this hot dog rain dance.
Starting point is 00:49:35 I mean, numb, numb, num, no. That's like a... Oh, that's my favorite shit. I mean, really, when you look at football, like... Inspire change. Throw a couple of dimes at a little girl. When you look at this, it reminds me of, you know, the lead hypothesis, the leg gasoline hypothesis. I mean, because, you know, football is such a massive part of American culture.
Starting point is 00:50:02 And as we know, American culture is very violent. And that's not to say that, you know, football is the reason why American culture is violent. America has always been a very violent nation. Yeah. But I would also put the, you know, because probably get me a little, people may be angry about this, but the maleness of it as well. Like, there was a deep connection to the, the using our natural impulses as things that kill things as primates and turning in against ourselves. Yeah, but the other part of that is that it's also a very good release for that instinct for a lot of people. You talk about the war proxy.
Starting point is 00:50:43 The war proxy is for real. Very real. And the war proxy is also really important for the audience as well. Like, that's why it's ancient. Watching men kill each other is an ancient process because it's for people that don't get to go kill people. And then they're not allowed by the government to go kill people. so they get to go watch it in a way. Scratches that same it's I got when I watch faces of death as a kid.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Yes. And I also think that there's something about it. It's outside of you. I started understanding the liminal mental space of sports going through our fucking horseshit, starting to discover, like, how nice it was to just blank out for three and a half hours and stare at little men running back and forth on a field. I understood it for a moment. Three and a half hours tried 12 on a Sunday.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Oh, it's the best. And another three on Monday and then Thursday as well. Nothing but dissociation. Yeah, man. It's amazing. And the fucking, the macho part of it, it even affects me as like a fan now. Of course. Because, like, last year I, like, didn't watch any football.
Starting point is 00:51:43 And I took shit from, like, my friends back home. Oh, yeah. Our friends that we used to watch football with. Because I'm like, I don't want to go watch the games. And I would, like, literally take shit for it. And it's just like, no, I want to go to the farmer's market and hang out my wife. And that's just for not watching. And that's the best thing of all.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Wanting to hang out with your wife. On a Sunday. Unbelievable. God, and that's the thing is that, like, that's just NFL. Like, you could also spend probably 15 hours watching college football on Saturday. Correct. And probably another day of the week. And you can go to high school football games on Friday.
Starting point is 00:52:17 Yep. Why can't we just watch plays about sports? Play the play. Well, there was the Vince Lombardi musical that did really well. That was, you're right. There was an opera. All right. Well, enough of the sad horse shit.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Let's get back to the last podcast of it all. Yay. All right. Last week, we talked about Aaron Hernandez growing up in an abusive machismo environment, dealing with the untimely death of his father, hanging out with gangs in his hometown, popping off in Gainesville, and headed back to his home to become a millionaire and a patriot. Wow, what a great light. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:49 Nothing can go wrong for me. Yeah, well, now it's early 2012. Aaron had just scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl after suffering a concussion in the AFC championship game, all while being one of the league's youngest players at 22 years old. But now, it's time we met one of the most important players in Aaron Hernandez's story. And by player, I mean character, not football player. Yeah, yeah, that's a stage. Again, we're back to play.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Yes, yes. He's a drug dealer named Alexander Bradley. Alexander Bradley was, for all intents and purposes, can be considered Aaron Hernandez's best friend. He's my buddy. He's my friend. Yeah, he's confidant. And not just that. Aaron hired him.
Starting point is 00:53:32 as his assistant. Remember we talked about this a little bit, but I didn't name them in the last episode. Hernandez met Bradley at his cousin Tanya's house, and he helped Aaron with everything. From grocery shopping to getting weed and other drugs to getting guns. What you hire an assistant. Yeah. I remember when I first talk with Kelly, I said, when you could go, honestly, first of all, here's $20,000. You're going to get the cocaine from the man, right? Like, the man's going to come out. check the box, make sure it's cocaine, and if not, here's a gun. What you're going to do is shoot him in the head.
Starting point is 00:54:06 If this is in fact, right, right? Here's the scale. Yeah, and then she has to go make the lines on the back of the toilet upstairs. To test it out for me, so I could go in there. Then make sure it doesn't kill her, then I can take it. No, I mean, you've got to actually, and you're doing too much work. The thing is you've got to have the assistant get the gun first. I know.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Make sure here's a guy. Actually, that's a really... Check to make sure the serial numbers have been filed off. That's a really good note. Kelly, I need you to anticipate needs. You see, Bradley, he met Hernandez before he was even famous, and the two, they were fast friends. Bradley, even though he was involved with a lot of illegal activities, was a smart dude. You kind of have to be to survive in his business for as long as he did.
Starting point is 00:54:50 You have to know social cues, lines to live in this world functionally. You kind of have to figure out a way to do it sustainable. Yeah, especially if you're going to do it for a long time. Yes. Yeah. And he's also in the year since, he's been very smart with playing his part as a talking head in the Aaron Hernandez story. And he's very, he knows how to tell the story. He knows how to be on TV.
Starting point is 00:55:15 He's parlayed this into a whole new career. I mean, who knows what happened? He's definitely, like, made a career out of doing illegal things. But I fucking believe him. Yeah. So, like, if you got to be friends with, like, a gangster type, dude, Alexander Bradley is the type of gangster-ass dude you want to be friends
Starting point is 00:55:33 with, all right? He had connects to all the clubs. He was generous with his weed and his time, and most importantly, he was a good cabanion to get stoned and play Madden with. If anything, Hernandez was a bad influence on Bradley. Even Bradley's girlfriend at the time was like, if you want to hang out with
Starting point is 00:55:49 your boy, then you hang out with your boy, but this is not going to work out with us. Jesus. Yeah. And that's a lot. That also kind of winks towards the other side of it. It's like, who chooses the dude, your bro over your lady in a way. As someone
Starting point is 00:56:05 who used to deal weed celebrity customers make you more desirable than normal folks. And in turn, you get clout and cloud equals more business. For me, it was Peefong. For Alexander Bradley, it was Aaron Hernandez. According to Bradley, he was selling slash
Starting point is 00:56:20 giving Aaron Hernandez about four ounces a week. That ain't going to help the tau proteins get it. clearer. Yeah. Like, seriously, you would put this here, yeah. Full disclosure for reference to
Starting point is 00:56:37 non-weed smokers, I smoke about a quarter ounce a week, and that's considered a lot. Yeah, I do. And that's on a really intense smoking week. That's when if I don't have any work, I'm about the same, right? Like, if I don't have any work, it's a half-house. Yeah, yeah. I don't
Starting point is 00:56:53 even know how someone would find the actual time to smoke that much wheat. You know how I bet it was? Blunts. Blunts. Yeah, exactly. He probably threw out half of it and shit like that. And also, you know, he's, anyone who's hanging around is also going to be smoking a lot of weed. But, yeah, he's wasting so much weed on blunts, I guarantee.
Starting point is 00:57:10 God, I bet his ass, you can get so high off his ashtray. Oh, yeah, yeah. He just got so much stuff. Yeah, like, this is like, that's also, you remember, too. Do you remember just seeing the weed sit there? Yeah. Oh, it flipped me out. Yeah, that's great.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Yeah. Well, not just helping Hernandez with his day-to-day weed and gun habit, Bradley's real full-time. That was just the comment on the gun. But the problem is sometimes guns get paranoid. Bradley's real full-time job was keeping Aaron Hernandez's paranoia in hostility in check. This might have something to do with the four ounces of weed. That's a lot of weed. You know how hard it is for me and Henry to speak ill on weed?
Starting point is 00:57:48 I see it. I'm a lot of weed. It's also like, I get tired. When I'm smoking like that, I get tired. I can't imagine smoking that much weed and committing murder. Just doing stuff and playing football. What is smoking four ounces of weed a week doing to his fucking lungs? And he's still like...
Starting point is 00:58:04 Well, he's 22. He's invincible. But even so, it's like the... He has one of the most running heavy positions on the field. He's at that age where you could do fucking anything. Yeah, man. So they always love going around and hitting the clubs in Boston. And Hernandez having just caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl, he was newly world famous.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Everywhere he went, people knew who he was. Sure, he was famous before. but everyone knew what he looked like now. And as we remember from the last episode, his social skills were getting worse by the minute. And while smoking four ounces of butt a week, his paranoia was at an all-time high. One of Aaron's pet peeves was people looking at him.
Starting point is 00:58:45 And that's like, I hated when people look at me. Well, you know those guys that are, I know what this is called, because it's not looking at you. It's mugging. It's eyeballing me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:53 The guy's eyeballing me. He's looking for a fight. You know, oh, this guy's staring at me. And it's like, you're a New England patriot that was just on a Super Bowl team. You're in Boston. Yeah, like, you're literally the most famous person here. And you're also a gigantic man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Like, your eye just gets caught by huge people. And he's super hot. Yeah, he is. You know, Bradley would explain to him, you're famous man. And he would ask, how come they're not looking at you? It's because I'm not you, he would say. He thought that everyone who was looking at him was just trying him. I mean, it really is a stoner's nightmare.
Starting point is 00:59:30 You think everyone is staring at you, and they are, and you're too high to remember because it's because you're famous. Well, you also have CTE. So you have CTE. You don't, you're immediately clouded, too. No social skills. You're just constantly forgetting that you're famous.
Starting point is 00:59:47 That's a lot. You know, like, because it's true. I remember, I have a OCD. When we, I'll bring this up again, but going through all of our drama and shit, you do start to in my head stuff like that was getting real
Starting point is 01:00:00 like they're who are they staring at me for and they're like oh you're weird looking or like oh they might like you from the show you have a pentagram on your shirt test just a pentagram it's like oh you're wearing a t-shirt that has Mickey Mouse sucking his own dick
Starting point is 01:00:14 yeah Robo Cops gigantic cock I saved that for the grocery store and work all right Sunday July 15th 2012 Hernandez went to Bradley's place to pre-game to go out for a night of clubbing. Sunday was his favorite night to go out, mostly because during the season, it was after games. And during the summer, it's usually not that busy.
Starting point is 01:00:37 I remember, as I mentioned earlier, he loved going out and getting fucked up, but didn't like it when there's a bunch of people around. So Sundays was his day. Bradley and her- I see Tuesday is the day. Well, you've got to go to work on Wednesday. Oh, yeah. Football is 60 to 80 hours a week. Oh, no, I know.
Starting point is 01:00:55 Even in the off season. Because you're also watching tape, you're working out, you're doing lots of stuff. Yeah, it's very, very demanding. And it's intellectual work. It is. It's hard. I mean, I got it. I think I said this like, I hate when people say that they're just playing a game and they don't deserve the money they're getting.
Starting point is 01:01:10 No, it's an extremely complicated thing, and they have an $18 billion industry on their backs. Yeah. So Bradley and Hernandez, to have some fun, they smoked a couple of blunts, had a couple drinks, and decided on Cure Night Club for their hang that night. Hernandez was also excited to get over there because Bradley had a new gun for his collection. Yay, bang bang! Yay! He's got a new family. A $350 silver 357 magnum with a brown handle.
Starting point is 01:01:38 The gun even came loaded. How convenient! Oh, nice. No, I don't got to do two stops. Oh, no, this gun's out all out of bullets. Guess they gotta go buy a new gun. So the duo hopped in Aaron's silver Toyota forerunner, which was an endorsement car, lent to him by the Jack Fox Toyota dealership in Providence. Good plug.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Yeah, call it a perk for scoring a Super Bowl touchdown. Aaron was dressed like shit that night, so he was lent some clothes for the club and a ball cap by Bradley. They stashed the gun in the engine block and headed out for the night. What a weird place to put the gun. under the spare tire. You put it under the spare tire. None of the one of the right. Because I feel like it's one of those, you know when you want to hide something from yourself
Starting point is 01:02:27 in order to make sure it's super special and you can never find it again? And you're like, I'm going to put this here. And that's how I'll know we'll find it. But then you never find it again? Sounds like that. Yeah. But also, why are they taking a gun? You don't need to.
Starting point is 01:02:39 It tells you, like, it tells you, not just the paranoia, but it also tells you like who Aaron Hernandez think, how he thinks of himself, that he's going to need to go out and take a gun. He doesn't need a gun. I will say something. word is for those men that honestly I wish it could be applied more is drama queen like literally looking for a fight looking for it all to come all like for him to be tried no you're right that is absolutely a drama queen thing lots of football players carry guns and the one of the main reasons they do carry guns jewelry cash they become targets when they're out because they like
Starting point is 01:03:12 going to these fucking dangerous ass places yeah and so people do but he's not going to a dangerous He's going to a nightclub. And Boston, it's a major city. You never know what's going to... I'm not... You know, I'm just saying that it's not weird. Yeah. For that...
Starting point is 01:03:25 Like, remember what Plexcobaris had one in the sweatpants? Oh, yeah. He shot himself. Yeah. No, I remember. So, they get to Cure, and they park around the corner in a garage. And Cures the nightclub. Cures the nightclub where they were out that night.
Starting point is 01:03:39 And when they got there, a group of dudes from the lovely Dorchester neighborhood of Boston. Oh, Chester. They were also... in line, having a good time in getting ready to get down. Aaron and Alex... What a bad part of the world to be in if you don't like guys eyeball in you. It's like their sport.
Starting point is 01:03:57 It's like what they do most in Boston. By the way, this is the club directly next door to the Wilbur. Oh, no shit. Oh, wow. I know exactly where that is. Yeah. Wonderful venue. So, Aaron and Alexander, they ended up skipping the line and the $20 cover.
Starting point is 01:04:13 But he's still got in an argument with the bouncer because the bouncer made Aaron Hernandez take his hat off. My hat's my thing. That's my thing. That's how people know it's me. Daniel Day Abraeu and Safiro Furtado, African immigrants who just got off work at their janitor job, were talked into going out that night by friends. They reluctantly agreed. Everyone was on the dance floor, having a good time. They got their drinks in their hands. And Abraeu bumps hips with Hernandez and spilled his drink all over his borrowed shirt. Whether the bump was intentional or not, It is up for debate.
Starting point is 01:04:46 Abraeu, not knowing who Hernandez was, just kind of smiled at him as a form of saying, my bad, dude. But either way, Hernandez fucking loses his shit. Goes crazy. These guys that get off on this thing, like when you step on their shoes and stuff, like, it really does feel like, just kiss me. Yeah. Also, like, just don't you want to just, you just seem to want to kiss me, dude.
Starting point is 01:05:11 It seems weird to go out with your boy and start dancing. yeah just you and your guy you and you know Eddie and I we were talking last night about hey Martin Natalie and I were watching something I forgot what it was and it was just like two people see it was like two guys holding hands together or whatever it was and I was like
Starting point is 01:05:28 that's how Ed and I said fingers interlocked oh yeah Bradley saw the writing on the wall and he just grabbed Hernandez and he was like let's bounce this place fucking sucks you know he knew something was about to pop off because almost every time he hung out with Hernandez
Starting point is 01:05:44 He flipped out on somebody. They were supposedly only in the club for 10 minutes. On their way out of the club, another patron recognized Hernandez and stopped him for a quick selfie. When they were back in the street, Hernandez just started to vent to Bradley. I hate it with people. Try me. Try to play me. Bradley reminded him to stay cool. I'm cool.
Starting point is 01:06:03 And that they both had too much to lose to get into a brawl at a club. He was right. Yeah, it's fucking stupid. It really is fucking stupid to get in a fight public. While in the street, a bouncer from another club, Caprice spotted Hernandez and invited him in and gave them a nice table. After they were there for a couple minutes, Hernandez noticed Abraeu and Furtado. These motherfuckers are following us. Hernandez told Bradley, but it actually wasn't them.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Hernandez's paranoia was just amped up to a thousand. Then they ended up leaving that club as well and then decided maybe it's time to go home. While retrieving their car... Yeah, I guess we could go watch Netflix. You imagine him doing something like that. Me, you're like, yeah, let's go. I got all muppet tapes. So they retrieved their car from the lot,
Starting point is 01:06:50 and this time Hernandez actually did spot the other crew getting into their car as well. And he told Bradley, rolling up on up on there. I want to scare now. The pair pulled up next to the BMW of Brayu had borrowed from his sister, and Hernandez in the passenger seat leaned over Bradley,
Starting point is 01:07:06 hung out the window and said, What's up now, fellas? Except he didn't say fellas. Oh, what do you say? And he fired five shots into the car, killing Abraeu and Furtado. Bye me, me, me! There were three men in the back seat, but it all happened so fast. They didn't get a good look at Hernandez or Bradley.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Fratado was shot in the head and died immediately. But Abraeu, who was shot in the chest, took a minute or two before he passed away. The men in the backseat flagged down a car, a couple of ladies were in, scared the shit out of them, but they still called 911 for the distressed victims. Yeah. So Aaron Hernandez, at this point, just based off a guy bumping. into him at a club, just committed a double murder. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because these are, he's a child
Starting point is 01:07:48 on the inside, and his brain's filled with mush. And he's not thinking even a little bit. Oh, no. No, not about anything, because he's never faced consequences for anything in his entire life. I mean, at this point, he's already what busted one guy's eardrum. Yeah. He's gotten into countless fights.
Starting point is 01:08:03 He might have shot up another car. He was passed endlessly. Yeah. It was late, and the streets were empty. Bradley sped away, and drove to his baby mama's apartment where they laid low for a while. Bradley told his girl that Aaron had just done some stupid shit. By the time she got up for work
Starting point is 01:08:20 the next morning, cousin Tanya was in her kitchen whispering to Aaron about something. By the time she got home from work, Aaron and Tanya were gone, and so was the forerunner. Aaron hid the forerunner at cousin Tanya's house where the car would stay in her garage to hopefully never be seen again. Poor Jack Fox Toyota.
Starting point is 01:08:39 Yeah, that's the only... The unspoken victim. What did that car go? Oh, no. So the detectives, they're looking at the security footage from the club. One of them notices, holy shit. That's Aaron Hernandez. But he never even considered him a suspect because, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Cops just think it's like a crazy coincidence. You know, he's only in the club for 10 minutes, and why would a superstar athlete murder a janitor? Yeah, that's the dumbest thing. It's so stupid. Yeah. And so the murder had been so random and so pointless. that the case quickly went cold for the police.
Starting point is 01:09:14 And that's a good tip for those trying to murder out there. Make it super out of pocket. That's how you make sure nobody knows it's huge. You're somebody completely like you're just not supposed to be there. People can be like, ah, you never do that. Yeah. This is almost, I mean, a harder case to solve than a fucking zero killing. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:33 You might even be able to trace some sort of motive, but this is like so stupid. You would never think, like, oh, one of the biggest athletes in the world, and the biggest young athletes in the world. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he may have killed this guy for bumping into him. I'm sure they felt bad for him
Starting point is 01:09:48 for even being around it. It's so hard to leave Kama at a drive-by. That's one of the hardest parts. That is true, yeah. I once asked a Boston cop what he would do if you saw Tom Brady kicking a puppy down the street and he said he'd arrest the puppy
Starting point is 01:10:02 for hurting Tom's foot. Cops are funny. So two weeks later, Aaron Hernandez would sign the then-largest contract for a tight-end ever. 40 million over five years with a $12.5 million signing bonus. At 22. Yes. Aaron Hernandez then gets engaged to the pregnant Cheyana Jenkins and buys a beautiful home in North Adderboro, Massachusetts. Things are looking great.
Starting point is 01:10:36 During this time, he's spending a lot of time with, Sheena Jenkins, Shiana sister, and her new boyfriend, Odin Lloyd. Lloyd worked as a landscaper by day and semi-pro football player by night, and he and Aaron became buddies quick because they both love Madden and Weed.
Starting point is 01:10:53 And that's the thing. It's so hard to find another man who loves Madden and Weed. It's almost unheard of it. It's so rare. Like, I can't believe you're into this. You're in a Madden and Weed? I'm in the Madden and Weed. Let's be best friends. Well, he must have...
Starting point is 01:11:08 No, best friends. Let's go. Well, he must have beat Aaron a lot because he would soon be murdered by him for no reason. Oh. Yeah, it's what happens. You have to make sure you're going to give these guys some games. I don't want to get to do good there. Well, the 2012 season wasn't that good for Aaron stat-wise, and he failed to live up to his massive contract.
Starting point is 01:11:28 He missed six games with an ankle injury and then messed up his shoulder after getting rocked by Dolphins linebacker Carlos Dansby just weeks after his daughter was born. Got him. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not just the CTE, CTE, multiple other injuries. There's a lot of stuff going on there. He's fucking riddled with shit, man. And it's also probably why, that might be why he's smoking so much fucking weed as well, to help with the pain. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:52 Yeah, and you fucking, like, the pain killers work, but the weed is way better. It doesn't fuck with your brain as much. And, like, you know, they should just let these fucking players smoke weed. It's ridiculous. I don't know why they can't smoke. Smoke weed is the dumbest. Smoking weed seems like the dumbest thing to stop for the football players. Anything to calm them down.
Starting point is 01:12:09 It does not make you a better football player. Please calm them down. So he played hurt with a torn muscle in his shoulder for the rest of the season, which would be cut short by a loss in the playoffs of the Baltimore Ravens. Anything less than a Super Bowl win was a disappointment for the Patriots. Nowadays, they're less athletic than the Patriots that stormed the Capitol. Got them! So after the loss of the Ravens and not making the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 01:12:35 the boys needed to blow off some steam. But for some reason, Hernandez and Bradley went back to Club Cure in Boston, like they hadn't just killed two people outside of their six months earlier. I kind of think he thought that if I just kept sort of acting like it didn't happen, nothing's going to catch up to me. Yeah. But it didn't. If not for, like, other shit that came later that led police to that, like, he was totally right to do this. And nothing happened because he went back. I mean, truthfully, he never got any repercussions for that incident.
Starting point is 01:13:07 This night, Bradley gets a DUI with Hernandez in the car, and then Hernandez tries to get him out of it by telling the cop. It's cool. I'm Anne Hernandez. It did not work. I guess you've got to win the Super Bowl for that kind of clock. Yeah, next time, catch the last pass. Yeah, you can see that from a Boston.
Starting point is 01:13:25 They were like, oh, yeah. So these brodogs, they needed to get out of town for a while. You know, Boston ain't where it's at right now. And so Deontay Thompson, he was a Baltimore Raven. he was throwing this big ass Super Bowl party in Miami. Deonté, he was Aaron's teammate from back at UF. University of Florida. Yeah, University
Starting point is 01:13:44 of Florida. So he told him to come down and party, blow off some steam, man. And that's what he needs, man. He's so fucking he's such a work guy. I'm sure everyone would tell him to blow off steam and he just blew off way too much. I don't think it was steam.
Starting point is 01:13:59 That's the other thing about it was one of the documentaries that I watch, like Everyone talks about how nobody partied harder than Aaron Hernandez. That it was insane how hard this guy would party. All that, like, I mean, just doing shit all night long and then just going to practice. Yeah. And then just going or going to a fucking game. Like, and playing and not knowing.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Like, it's insane how hard this guy party. It's like he was trying to dull evil thoughts in his head or something. Quite possibly. Kill, kill, kill, kill. So the boys landed in West Palm Beach. And they weren't greeted by Deonti, but they were greeted by five dudes that they didn't know. Two of these guys were some fucked up-looking dudes that went by Papu and Soldier. Yeah, Papu and Soldier, they normally answer the door.
Starting point is 01:14:46 Papu, he'll take your jacket. Papu sounds like an incontinent grandfather, not a gangster. That's who we call. Oh, Grandpa shit suspense. These guys were Deontes' friends from Bell Glade. Bell Glade is half an hour west of West Palm. Side note, I personally remember Belgrade being a very intense place. And when we played their team in high school, I could have swore and I was playing against 30-year-old men.
Starting point is 01:15:13 They were gigantic. They were terrifying. They had a lot of NFL players came from the Bell Glade, Pocke, and Glade Central. There was a little pocket in West Palm. And they would all, like, so many great players. Fred Taylor came out of there. Vince Will Fork. So you're up against a bunch of future NFL players.
Starting point is 01:15:31 Yes. And also, all right, just to make them a little scarier, other than them just physically kicking our ass all the time, we were scared to play against them because their high school supposedly had one of the highest high school AIDS rates in the country. One of. So for two days straight, they're hanging out with this crew at a strip club in Miami appropriately called Tutsis. Oh, cute. Isn't that nice? I've never been. I've never been, but in a couple of years, my dog Tutsi will be. be old enough to get in. Yeah, that'll be cute. We'll buy her a beer. Offset, just had
Starting point is 01:16:07 an album release party there. Oh, congrats. And Wednesdays, the strippers do karaoke, which honestly sounds delightful. I'd go there. It does sound great. While there, Hernandez's paranoia was amped up from a thousand to a million.
Starting point is 01:16:20 Anytime Bradley pulled out his phone, Hernandez would tell him, Hey, put that down. It's bug. Bradley's phone was becoming the point of contention between the two. When Bradley asked the server for a charger, he flipped out again. Well, you're mad, you bring up electricity to the fog?
Starting point is 01:16:36 Get give it, you got to starve. You got to make it hungry. Then the bill came, and Papu and Soldier conveniently went missing. They'd run up a $10,000 bill at Tootsie's. I'm sure it was a lovely time. Oh, definitely. Yes, Hernandez told Bradley. Yo, you're splitting this shit with me.
Starting point is 01:16:54 Bradley said, I don't know these motherfuckers. I ain't giving you five grand. And Hernandez got pissy and paid the bill. and Bradley walked off angry, but he forgot his phone on the charger in the process. Fuck the phone, man. The idea that they would just bug your phone
Starting point is 01:17:08 so easily is very, again, a very dumb paranoid idea. Yeah, you know, and Bradley obviously knew because he's probably someone who knew at a search for bugs. Yes.
Starting point is 01:17:18 So now... But also, who's bugging his phone? Who's bogging his phone? Like, he's hyper paranoid, but the fact that he's probably going to... He's fucking killed two people. Dude, they're at Tutsis. And Hernandez is like,
Starting point is 01:17:30 yo, those two guys over there, those are fucking FBI agents. And then Bradley's like, no, they're not. And he's like, yeah, they are dog. And then Bradley's like, well, if they are, that's because that dumb shit you did in Boston. Yeah, exactly. You did it. Yeah, yeah. And so now they're driving drunk as fuck
Starting point is 01:17:45 back to West Palm from Miami. That's like a two-hour drive, all right? Bradley realizes he forgot his phone, and he's a little outside of town, and Hernandez refuses to go back. PAPU and Soldier, they agree. And they're like, fuck you phone. That's right. Fuck your goddamn phone
Starting point is 01:18:02 Hernandez even offers to buy him a new one Which is an insane offer And Bradley proclaimed that there's pictures of my kids in there and shit Before the cloud Oh yeah before cloud So Bradley must have realized this was a losing battle And in his fucked up in this He passed out in the car
Starting point is 01:18:20 The SUV Had come to a stop at this point And when Bradley woke up Hernandez had a gun in his face Bradley threw up his hand to protect himself but Hernandez fired anyway. The bullet tore through his hand, blowing off part of his finger, and then passing through the bridge of his nose and lodged into his eye socket.
Starting point is 01:18:39 Soldier casually leaned over and opened Bradley's door to try to push him out of the vehicle, but he couldn't. Aaron then got out of the car, walked over to Bradley, tossed him on the ground, and left him for dead. And he didn't even go back for the phone. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. This all happened at 6.30 in the morning. The sun's coming up. and the lot they'd pulled into
Starting point is 01:19:01 was actually a John Deere landscaping lot and the two guys who were working there found Bradley. They saw what at first looked like a dead body but then realized Bradley was still alive. Bradley told them call 911, tell them to hurry before I bleed out. 9-1
Starting point is 01:19:18 then asked what his name was and if he knew who shot them and why? He responded, Alex Bradley, no, and I'm done talking it hurts too much. Wow, that's a good friend. I'm a good friend. When the cops got there, they had similar questions, but Bradley wasn't going to tell them shit.
Starting point is 01:19:37 The cops kept prying, and he simply said, with all due respect, sir, I have no more information for you. And unfortunately, the security cameras were not on that night, so there was nothing they had on anybody. Shit out of luck. Yeah, and it's not as much of a good friend. It's more like Bradley wanted to take care of it himself. Oh, sure. And they were all caught up together anyway. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:59 And Bradley does not need a fucking investigation into his life. No. That's the last thing he fucking needs. Hernandez, he was positive that he had just killed Bradley. And then he's at the airport in West Palm in the morning. And he called Bradley's baby mama and asked if she had heard from him because he hadn't seen him. And he was supposed to meet him at the airport. And he's worried about him.
Starting point is 01:20:19 They had got separated the night before. I've never, you've never called me. You know, like, what is this? Did you kill him? She starts to freak out. She started calling all the hospital. in Miami trying to find them. She called the cops in Miami. They're like,
Starting point is 01:20:33 we don't know what you're talking about. They told it to fill out a missing persons report at her local precinct in Hartford, Connecticut. But the thing was, Bradley wasn't in Miami. He was two counties away in West Palm Beach. Yes. So it wasn't connected. She was looking for him in the wrong city. Bradley
Starting point is 01:20:49 was continually uncooperative with the cops. The cops kept asking him, who shot him? And he said, he's a fucking asshole. Whoever did this to me, direct quote. Yeah. He's a fucking asshole. Whoever it was that did this to me. Whoever did this to me. It's a fucking asshole.
Starting point is 01:21:06 The cop said if he didn't make a report, then he would have no victim. And if there was no victim, there was no crime. And then Bradley said, I ain't telling on nobody. And then the cop left. Bradley then picked up his phone and called Hernandez. Hernandez probably mortified when he saw who was calling him. Oh, man, it's his angel. He picked up anyway.
Starting point is 01:21:31 Now, Marcus, I'm going to need your help here. You're going to be Bradley, and then Henry, you'll continue to be Hernandez. I want to watch this play. We got it. All right. So, yeah, this is for you. Ring, ring. Hello?
Starting point is 01:21:45 Hello? Ahoy. Ahoy, ahoy, oh, ho's up. Who this? You know who this is. It's your boy. Aaron hung up out of fear. No, no to that.
Starting point is 01:21:57 No to that. I don't like that. Bradley starts blowing up his phone and Hervandez picks up again. Oh, hoi, hoi. I don't know why you keep hanging up. I didn't tell the police on you. You know what time it is when I get back. Hernandez hung up.
Starting point is 01:22:11 Oh, no, I don't like that. I don't like that. Oh, no, what do I do about that? And then Bradley texted him. I really do love you, my boy, but you won't get away with that. Oh, man. Do you really love me? Isn't that crazy?
Starting point is 01:22:25 He's like still. like, I love you. Yeah, I love you. You're cool, cool guy and you're good dude. This is the last time you shoot man. Unfortunately, I am going to have to kill you now. This is going to be like the red line that I cannot cross brother, but I fucking
Starting point is 01:22:38 love you and I'm going to miss you. Soon after this, Hernandez goes to see Bill Belichick at that year's NFL Combine. It's in Indianapolis. He tells him that he's in trouble with some bad dudes back home and he needs to get traded. You imagine saying that
Starting point is 01:22:56 to Bill Belichick of out of everybody and him just being like, I'll kill you myself. You know, he's never one to give a fuck about anything but winning. Belichick basically told him to go screw. Oh, yeah. It's like, you just signed the largest deal for
Starting point is 01:23:12 a tight end ever. You're not going anywhere dude. And then instead, he just suggests you go out to L.A. for the rest of the offseason. You bring your family. You get soldier surgery. Because there's never been any gang violence in Los Angeles. Never. I think that that's like a great place to they clean. I don't think anyone really gets in trouble
Starting point is 01:23:28 out here. Not once. Well, Brady's out here because he's like, you know, hanging with Giselle at the time, you know? And so he's like, go hang with Brady. You guys can, like, go over the playbook and get ready for next season and shit. You're just going to sit and drink bone broth with fucking Tom Brady and he was going to watch him scare and just go
Starting point is 01:23:43 like pretend to throw a fucking ball every day. And you know, like, Belichick called Brady and he's like, all right, Hernandez is coming out. You got to take care of him. He's like, fuck. Oh my God. I'm not going to have any time to kiss my son now. I guess I'll have to get it in now. Oh, fuck, my little boy, my little son.
Starting point is 01:24:06 So he's out there. He wants some of the shoulder surgery, hang out with Brady, and they just get ready for next season, you know? Yeah. So Hernandez and Cheyana, they rent a spot in Hermosa right on the beach, and they settle in to chill out and recoup. And that was the plan anyway. Even DJ came out to hang out. with them to kind of get him ready for next year. You know, it's like, let's chill. Let's fucking
Starting point is 01:24:30 regroup. But he don't really spend too much time with Brady, and he just gets hammered on the regular. He's flying out, Bo Wallace, all the time. But him and Cheyana, they did get matching incubus tattoos during this time.
Starting point is 01:24:46 Incubis, the band. Incubis the band. Finally, a smart decision. I've actually heard that that is, that results, it's like a 95% divorce rate. if you get matching Incubis tattoo The worst man
Starting point is 01:25:01 You know what? Is it the worst man of all time? No Incubis? No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh yeah, far worse bands than Incubis. But one of the worst bands To get a tattoo of.
Starting point is 01:25:12 You know, like, how Who could love Incubis So much? I was obsessed with them for a little while. In high school, because my high school girlfriend was, too. The Czechs loved it. You know, it's funny is the Incubis has like the highest divorce rate. You know what actually
Starting point is 01:25:26 has the highest, like, stay together rate? What? Huba stank. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you both get matching Huba stank tattoos, you separate life. That one couple is having a great time. Well, that's the whole thing. Unfortunately, it is a skewed sample study because it is just one couple
Starting point is 01:25:43 when they have not divorced it, so it is 100%. Me, my wife, I went out for my birthday. We got stanked. We got stanked. What Aaron said? Matthews said, remind me that we'll always have each other, and Cheyana's finished the line when everything else
Starting point is 01:26:00 is gone. That is so bad. Yeah, it's from the song, Dig off of the Light Grenades album. If you get a chance to listen, don't. Wow, one of the late period. Inquivus, like later? Yeah. Not even drops of, no, this train.
Starting point is 01:26:16 Who was the other one? The first Incubis album, Drive. Drive was the song. Pardon me. Burned me. Yeah. Stellar, you know those. Those are a good song. Several times, so they're out there.
Starting point is 01:26:31 And apparently the lead singer has a great sense of humor. He has to be. Although I will say the science album isn't horrible. All right. Several times, the cops get called out to his house, all right? The first time, he'd punched through a window in his home. And a couple other times,
Starting point is 01:26:47 neighbors called when they heard fighting and what sound like furniture flying around the house. Cheyana always declined to file reports. He also had an incident in a bar While fucked up on Long Island ice teas And Long Beach A Long Beach ice tea is a Long Island ice tea
Starting point is 01:27:01 With cocaine, I believe Yeah, I do, yeah And you also, you can't be vaccinated Yeah A couple days later He does some light banking Deposited a couple of checks From the Patriots and Puma
Starting point is 01:27:13 Totaling close to $2 million Just fucking Christ He's going into those checks Just walk it into a B-OA And why are they saying He doesn't have a business manager no one's doing this for him so but then when he does this he fucking wires $15,000 to the parents of one Oscar Papu Hernandez that money was given to Bo Wallace who bought an AR-15 an AK-47 and a used
Starting point is 01:27:41 Toyota Camry to carry the weapons back up north Aaron he really dug that incubus tattoo by the way so he took a drive back there and said that instead to the artist Pardon me. Are you in? I need a new tattoo. The last one was stellar. And he said, get out of my tattoo shop. I had to hold back my father already tattooing you.
Starting point is 01:28:09 He got a new tattoo of a smoking handgun with one spent shell underneath it. It is thought that that represents the gun that he used to shoot Alexander Bradley. He's so cool. Yeah. He then looked at an available spot on his wrists and regents. Granted where he got the first tattoo and muttered to the tattoo, Wish you were here. Okay, I'll stop with the Incomus Bunce.
Starting point is 01:28:29 But, so he gets the other tattoo of a revolver with five bullets in the chamber. This is thought to represent the Boston shooting. Oh, good for him. That's nice. It's good to put the evidence right on your body. Yeah, yeah, confessions. That ain't me? So.
Starting point is 01:28:45 I mean, I guess a lot of tattoos are confessions. Oh, very much. One of my tattoos is a confession of how much Castlevania I've played. Yeah, that's just very true. Yeah. You know, he's not doing well mentally at this time. You know, he's got a whole bunch of incubis tattoos on him, some gun tattoos, you know. He's murdered two people and has attempted to murder his best friend.
Starting point is 01:29:03 Yeah, he's not going on. Because he's mad about him leaving his phone behind. Marcus, he might have ADHD. Well, probably something messing with his emotional well-being is that he's constantly texting with Alexander Bradley. Bradley had now decided his best course of action was to not. kill Hernandez, but to get a bunch of money off him. Not a bad idea. He's actually smart.
Starting point is 01:29:29 It's not a bad idea. Yeah, once you calm down from that first day and you realize what the real torts actions, yeah, I mean, he knows how to get money. Yeah, so I wanted to hear some samples of their text messages, and I hope you boys will reenact it for us. And out of common
Starting point is 01:29:45 sense, all N-words have been switched to fellas. Yes, thank you. You did that bullshit for no reason. And me being the real friend, I was to you, I didn't try to ruin you, even after you tried to kill me. Think about how real that is. The tears that should be in my eyes, after the way you betrayed me, I never crossed you in no way. I lose you, and you are not going to frame me for some bread. I would never try to frame you.
Starting point is 01:30:14 You left me with one eye and a lot of head trauma. You owe for what you did, and it's too bad. know me enough to know that this convo is private between us. This ain't for no lawyer or cop to see. We both know what happened. The truth is the... God damn it, there's no punctuation. It's really hard. This is pervasion, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no punctuation. A bunch of these words or letters. All right, so yes. Okay, so let me just take a deep breath. We both know what happened. The truth is the truth if I dealt with police. My boy, this would have been over and done with. That's what's crazy about.
Starting point is 01:30:51 this situation. We know each other so well, you know, I ain't no on, you know, BS, you too paranoid. That's what made you do this shit you did in last, but not least, I always wanted the best for you. Remember that you obviously didn't feel the same. I will always
Starting point is 01:31:07 be there for you. To the day you die, but not in a state of mind you are in, and be in, and I don't know what gotten into you after all the years. We were in But everything aside, you're always on my mind, and I love you, and always will, no homo.
Starting point is 01:31:30 What's crazy as I believe that part is true. You probably do think about how real of a fella I am and how you even flipped on me. But what sickens me is the fact that you are denying this shit, like it's for the lawyer or cops, you must not really know me, but I guess I didn't know you either, because I would have never thought you'd try to end me. Do you have trustworthy fellas like me around? Doubted, dog. Six strong with a lot of weaponry. So, hey, you turned this combo into this. If you ever got me into trouble or ruin my life or something I didn't do,
Starting point is 01:32:06 I don't even want to get back at you, but you will pay. I'll be back around the way in a couple of months, too, and I can't wait to see you because I will still be at your baby mother's crib a bunch. Love on Cugs, can't stop loving somebody That was the only person I fought with I was like a brother to me But damn, you were trying to sue me for something I didn't do and don't even know about
Starting point is 01:32:29 If you could win then that That then God is on your side But I doubt something can be proved That isn't true Here you go threaten again You know that don't scare me Though if you knew how jeed up I am You wouldn't even say that
Starting point is 01:32:44 I'm jeed up with AK-47s Mac 11s, Mac 90s the ready for bulletproof vests and oh almost forgot the der right fellas to use the weaponry weaponry weapon tree yes actually yes it is weapon tree if you think them wolves ain't on deck then try what you got to try what makes you think i want to kill you to one who tried to kill me oh i promise you'll pay for that in you are so boxed in you'll be number one suspect i swear to god either you know you're trying to rule my life and kill me when all I did was be there
Starting point is 01:33:21 for you, I still love you no homo and I will always love you. He always has to hit those no homo every time. Now, it ain't gonna be this way. Say, fuck it. You ain't getting shit from me. I file civil suit. You lose it all in me
Starting point is 01:33:36 hold court in DeStreet. You think I'm scared to die? I miss you and love you. And still watch videos of us having fun every single day and don't believe this and we'll keep in, I can't believe all of this coast because I truly can't believe all this shit is going
Starting point is 01:33:52 on if I would really try and kill you when we were that close I wouldn't I never would want to hurt you and you know that I love you good night not to bother you but feel me on this when you did that it's like
Starting point is 01:34:09 you coming home to your crib and catch in your broad in bed with another you stole my trust and tore my ego beautiful You stole my trust and tore my eagle. I love you, good night. I love you.
Starting point is 01:34:27 Good night. And it's with this wonderful piece of theater that we're going to leave you until next week. Why does he say that? Why does he say good night? All right. And that is it done. You better be careful, fool, for I pull up on your ass, all right? Night night.
Starting point is 01:34:43 Sweet dreams. Sweet dreams, Mama, love him. Oh, man. Well, this was one. Thank you, fellas. That was a beautiful piece of theater. And we're going to leave you until next week when we conclude the gridiron Greek tragedy
Starting point is 01:34:56 of Aaron Hernandez. Yes. And then we'll be headed into one of the deepest waters you can possibly imagine. Very long series after this. You're all going to enjoy very much. A long dong series. We've been working on this series literally for months now. Almost a year.
Starting point is 01:35:14 And we're very, very happy that we're about to finally premiere it. No, you've been talking about this for fucking long time. And they're going to love it. I've been preparing for this for a very long time. Since 1945. Patreon.com slash last podcast and left to watch us do all the wonderful things that we do. Also, you can see us
Starting point is 01:35:33 live on Tuesday at 6 p.m. PST for last stream on the left. Live on Patreon. It goes to YouTube afterwards where we cut all the copyright material we like to show because we can't show it on YouTube. So you need to subscribe it to see it all. And then you go to all the fucking social shits.
Starting point is 01:35:49 at L.P. on the left. That's right. And don't forget to come out and see us on tour. We're hitting all kinds of cities this year. We are taking care of the situation in Cleveland as we speak. We are taking care of the situation. Yeah, the show is not canceled, but it will be moved. So make sure that you keep an eye out or keep an ear out. Take a look at your emails to see where that show is going to be moved to.
Starting point is 01:36:12 But yeah, we're getting the Cleveland situation figured out. And then October, we're going to be in Milwaukee at the Pabst Theater. and then Oakland at the Fox Theater. We're going to figure out this Cleveland thing, and then in December. You can catch us in Portland on December 12th and 13th at Revolution Hall. And come see us.
Starting point is 01:36:27 One of my favorite shows of this year is going to be, last podcast and left.com, go buy tickets for us side stories at Humboldt. Yes. With Billy Wayne Davis, it's going to be a lot of fun. That's going to be the day before the Oakland show on October 24th in Redway, California. It's in the middle of fucking nowhere,
Starting point is 01:36:42 but people come out for it, man. It's a blast. It's so much fun. You guys are going to love it. You should come. you want, actually. I might. Yeah. Oh, I want to say something. Shout out to Grant Gordon. He took the lead on the CTE section of the script. You did a great job, buddy. I fucking love you. You're
Starting point is 01:36:59 hilarious. And much better writer than I am. So thank you so much for coming in and helping me out, man. It's such a hard job you have every week, Marcus. I don't know how your brain works like that. I've been doing it for 15 years. He's built a callus. Well, hail Satan, everyone. Hey, inhale, Dr. Anne McKee. Watch your head. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:22 And your balls. Please. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm going to watch my left nipple. That's sucking on the left. Thank you.

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