Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 636: Aaron Hernandez Part III - Fourth & Forever

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

This week, the boys reach the final chapter in the tale of CTE-riddled football player-turned killer, Aaron Hernandez, with the murder of his best friend Odin Lloyd, the subsequent arrest & trial of A...aron Hernandez, the scandal surrounding his private life, and the story of the former football star's final days behind bars... For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to. This is the last podcast. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. Who's that? Oh, yeah! It is to be, it is up to me. Can't get into account.
Starting point is 00:00:28 It's me. I'm so sad I think it's because I did all the murder At least I got all this time now In jail Read my Harry Potter's Oh, oh, Hermione Was you my girlfriend
Starting point is 00:00:43 Serious So serious thinking of reading stuff I love when you do all the research Yeah Did you actually I did hear that one section From Aaron Hernandez Did you hear that when he asked for the Harry Potter's?
Starting point is 00:00:55 Yeah Oh yeah yeah yeah Can you something in the Harry Potter's it's just like I was like if that isn't what the CTE shows like if that isn't come through he's sitting on it in jail
Starting point is 00:01:08 I just been like you know I was kind of thinking I'd like to know what those redhead kids are doing what kind of shenanigans they're up to make the different magic chicks I'm fucking reading this James Patterson book which is you know it's pretty good
Starting point is 00:01:21 you're reading James Patterson well he wrote the Aaron Hernandez book Wow yeah yeah yeah so I'm reading I'm reading this book and he's talking about what Aaron liked to read in jail and then of course he's like he loved Alex Cross
Starting point is 00:01:33 and he's like listing the authors he liked and he listed his name like it was and James Patterson like you fucking piece of shit my favorite movie in the world it's because you got the guy who played for Sean Shank he's all serious
Starting point is 00:01:51 catch criminals and all Alex Cross you to go Wait on the last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the man that is deep into his character, Henry Zabrowski. It's me. Henry Zabowski. I practiced it every day real hard.
Starting point is 00:02:09 I hated the voice when you first started doing it. It's grown on me now. It's weird. It really is weird how much it's grown on me. Yeah. You're welcome. And we have the man who has taken us on this journey through three parts, this journey, through high school football, through college football,
Starting point is 00:02:27 through the NFL, and beyond. We have Ed Larson. Woo! Man, I am ready for this to end. I hate your job, Marcus. It sucks, right? It's the hardest of our job. What's funny is that, like, I can't wait to get back to my job.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Hell yeah. Like, I really do miss it. I miss it. I can't wait to get back to writing next week because we got, God damn, we're coming back next week with something fucking huge. Oh, yeah. big and I can't wait to get back to it but you've been doing a fantastic job
Starting point is 00:02:59 and I've really been enjoying being on this side of it but I do miss my writing yeah man now you know I miss it too and you know I can't wait to smoke the biggest Aaron Hernandez size blunt when I get out of here in celebration not that like a blunt that makes
Starting point is 00:03:15 me a little bit more easier to do crime I was actually today leading up to this recording I was just kind of like sitting there in my house, like, listening to Jimmy Smith, like listening to a jazz record. I was like, is this what life
Starting point is 00:03:31 is like for them? Just waiting for me to be done? I'm normally yelling and doing other shit. All right, here we go. Come give it to us, Eddie. Lay it down, fucker. All right, you piece of tubby shit. When we last left our superstar
Starting point is 00:03:51 Aaron Hernandez, he just gotten himself mixed up in an old Jamarino of the highest order. Is that a legal term? Jamarino? Yeah, Jamarino. You know Jamarino. He's got liver disease now. He's a quarterback for the Dolphos. Yeah. Jamarino.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Janorino's my old buddy. He taught me how to bought him. Well, after presumably murdering two men for almost no reason in the middle of the streets of Boston, he had tried to kill Alexander Bradley, his best friend, by shooting him in the face in West Palm Beach, Florida, with two fucked up dudes named Papu and Soldier. Somehow, Bradley took a bullet to the head and came out alive, but down an eye. Hey, honestly, less things to see out there. It's a rough news cycle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Don't approach him on the right. You might get shot. Yeah. He's skittish. He's now trying to figure out how to take his revenge through either murder or extortion. Him and Aaron got into some text battle exchanges for the ages. with misspellings and punctuation galore. It was my emotion.
Starting point is 00:04:56 I love you. Good night. I love you. Hope you get some good sleep. I love you, so I shot you. Thinking about you. I get Bradley a pass. You know, he's down an eye.
Starting point is 00:05:05 You know, what are you going to do? Yeah. Now, Aaron's out in L.A., rehabbing his shoulder, but he is spiraling out of control at home, the bars, and in his own mind. The only good thing that comes out of this time were a couple of stellar incubus tattoos and a camera all full of guns.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Hey, do guns don't just get in them cameras? memories accidentally you've got to fight for that inch now let's get back to New England and get ready for the upcoming season and Aaron is trying to pretend he's got nothing bad going on but inside his own CTE
Starting point is 00:05:37 pot riddled brain he's prepping for the worst I mean just think that this guy is I mean we've all seen the pictures of his brain oh yeah I mean it is absolutely fucked and the guy smoking weed 24 hours a day it is not good
Starting point is 00:05:53 in any way whatsoever. Yeah, at the time when they checked on his brain after he died, he had stage 3 CTE, and Dr. McKee said it was the strongest case of CTE she had ever seen in so in his age. Yeah. You're welcome. How many stages are there?
Starting point is 00:06:09 Four. Four? What happens with stage four? Stage four, I do believe you turn into pure energy. You go super sane. I think once you go super saan, and that's when you kill the entire football team. Nice.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Aaron dropped thousands on security cameras inside and outside his house. He's building an arsenal of guns and is even in the process of buying an armored car at this time. And it's also safe to say, like, nobody has stepped to Aaron Hernandez at this point. No, he has not been threatened to buy anyone. This is all in his own making. He is a man. Well, he did shoot a gangster in the face. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:49 I will say he is paranoid, but this is a time when. He shot a gangster in the face, but he's having, but he's having text exchanges and saying, like, love you, good night. Good night. As far as, like, text exchanges between, you know, a guy who's been shot in the face by the other guy, it's pretty fucking cordial. Yeah, he's back in town and he's chilling with all the same characters at this point. T.L. and T.L. and T. T.L. and Tonya Singleton, Carlos Ortiz. And, of course, Bo Wallace, who seems to be his go-to guy at this point when it comes to getting shady-ass shit done. during this time Aaron's drug use is at an all-time high and he wasn't even hiding it anymore
Starting point is 00:07:26 openly making calls to buy drugs in the Patriots locker room did you see all of the various letters we got from people that had experiences with Aaron Hernandez throughout high school no I don't get the side stories email yeah I got to send those to me before I write the script well it just seems like that would be highly relevant information well a lot of it the problems a lot of it's hearsay and I don't want to just say things that people say necessarily
Starting point is 00:07:48 But to be honest, it wasn't a heck of a lot of information other than the fact Aaron Hernandez was a total piece of shit that has always gotten away with every single thing, no matter what it was. And stuff like this, he was been doing since high school. Like he's been literally, they said that he failed a test. There was like some tests he failed and they just let him retake it. You know what I mean? Like they do stuff like that. Well, they needed them. Yeah, they would do stuff where if they knew, there was one where they knew he was going to fail a mid-term.
Starting point is 00:08:18 term, they sat him out. He went and sat in the administration office to not take the test so that he could prepare later on to take, like, he took very, he's never, he had never experienced a single set of consequences. Dude, one of my coaches,
Starting point is 00:08:35 Coach Campino, he was the driver's ed teacher, and he's like, just sign up for driver's ed in summer school, don't show up, I'll give an A, we'll bring up your GPA. Yes, he's nice. Oh man, but see, at this point, there's like a fucking whole, in Aaron's life.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Alexander Bradley. Bradley, of course, had a new hole of his own. Hernandez needs a new bestie, someone he could trust, someone he can relate to, someone that can roll a sticky-ass blunt, and be just a little bit worse
Starting point is 00:09:05 than him and madden. That's why I met my new friend. Have you seen him? His name is Mr. Snuffaloppagus. He's a magical elephant. And he says all types of stuff, like kill, kill, kill, kill, kill. You're crazy
Starting point is 00:09:22 That's what I say You're crazy He's so violent that snuffalo He's crazy He's the first part of his name is snuff Well the dude Who's going to fill that hole Is his future brother-in-law
Starting point is 00:09:38 Odin Lloyd Odin was a landscaper by day And semi-pro football player by night These Jenkins girls Certainly love their football players I'll tell you that much They do And Odden Lloyd, by all accounts, good dude.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Everyone liked him. That is the one thing that in every single documentary that you see about Aaron Hernandez, you just have a parade of people talking about how good of a dude Odin Lloyd was that just kind of dazzled by fame. Yeah, man. He was enamored with the fact that him and one of the best players in the NFL were potentially about to be in-laws. Aaron used to refer to Odin as the Bluntmaster. and the blunt master is down for whatever Aaron wants to do and just like everyone else that knew Hernandez
Starting point is 00:10:24 Odin starts putting Aaron's wants and needs ahead of his own but Aaron's doing that classic manipulator thing he's throwing money and lavish things at him all the time while treating him like he's less than him everything's transactional and well it's it's transactional but Aaron Hernandez has that learned helplessness that a lot of these guys end up having
Starting point is 00:10:44 where people just do shit yeah King Baby Do shit. Yeah, King Baby. People just end up doing shit for him. There's no consequences. And everyone just coalesces and does whatever the fuck he wants. Because he's got a lot of resources and every single time something doesn't get done for him. He throws a massive temper tantrum.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And that makes everybody walk on eggshells around him. And that's when he's becoming more and more out of pocket. And everybody, nobody wants to deal with it. Yeah. Also, everyone lets him get away with shit because whenever he does fuck up and he knows it, he'll buy you something. Of course. He'll give you some money. You know, it's like, ah, you know, he's not that bad.
Starting point is 00:11:15 but it's just like a way for him to get away with doing horrible things. Aaron rented Odin a Chevy suburban. Odin, he's too broke to have his own ride. You know, he gives him all the weed he wants. And most importantly, Cheyana and Chenaya are happy their men are getting along so well. This should have worked perfectly. And other than Aaron's erratic, violent behavior, the real reason Odin couldn't fill Alexander Bradley's shoes is because he was just by all accounts a really calm, nice man.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Yeah. Yeah. It's the normal guy. It really is a goddamn shame. But what it shows you is that it doesn't matter if you're a good man or somewhat of questionable moral character like Bradley.
Starting point is 00:12:00 If you're right next to Aaron Hernandez, bad shit's going to happen to you. Absolutely. He's going to turn on you eventually. Oh yeah. He grinds through people. That's just the way he does it. Everyone in his life has to deal with some kind of bullshit and he's usually the center of it.
Starting point is 00:12:13 So we're looking at June 14th, 2013. Aaron, Odin, and a crew of friends are out partying a club rumor in Boston. So outside the club that night, Aaron and Odin were seen in a verbal altercation. No one really knows about what, but we all know it could have been about anything because of how unstable Hernandez was. Everybody knows the perpetrator top. It's the nice spot. Everybody knows. And I won't have you tell me anything different.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Okay, Popatatatatopi, Benzsatatopi. Go, there's apartments above us, bro. Calm down. My motherfucking homie. My mom fucking homie. It's okay. It's okay. He just lost the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:12:57 It's fine. He got a baby guy. I ain't gay, Popatatatatapi. But the rest of the night, Aaron and Odin stayed away from each other. The tension was thick in the club. It felt like the beginning of belly up in that bitch. Oden's trying not to let it ruin his night You like that green ass fucking teletubby
Starting point is 00:13:18 Hell yeah man So I like a fucking fuck that dude I like that fucking green ass telotopy Fuck that shit man Fuck that shit You know my favorite The baby That's why I like that green and baby son
Starting point is 00:13:28 Because that so shit they're gonna be all right That's what I like I like seen that fucking little smiling baby son because I know all that shit gonna work out Oh man See like everyone got along with Oden Everyone liked him And he's like fucking
Starting point is 00:13:43 He just made some new friends and he starts hanging out with them at the club. And Hernandez, paranoid as ever, believes these men to be the friends of Daniel Debrau and Sofrio Furtado. Those dudes, he recently killed over his spilled drink at Club Cure, which, by the way, is one block away. See, I could see him. His brain is porridge. He's filled with drugs and alcohol. He's legitimately now almost hallucinated. Yeah. I would say it's at this point where he is saying stuff like this because he's so he doesn't know how to process the feelings of being guilty.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Yeah. And so I think that he's just doing the very classic thing of seeing the people that you murdered everywhere and you're haunted by it. Yeah. And you can't put the two together because your brain's made out of wag you. And you can't figure it out anymore. Like you're literally like all that stuff's get mismashed and you don't understand what's reality. what's not anymore. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:44 And not just that, you know, but he's also dealing with, you know, that extreme ADHD that he has. So he's hyper-focused on this shit. On it. He's hyper-focused on every, on his possible guilt, someone trying to catch him. You know, maybe the FBI's around, you know, all kinds of shit. They should be. They should be, but they're not. No, they're not.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Nobody's there. Nobody's second. Yeah. He's a, he literally got away with it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And, you know, ADHD.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And he would have, too, if he didn't keep fucking up. Yeah. If it was for those meddling kids. And ADHD breeds paranoia. Very much breeds paranoia. So it's just paranoia on top of paranoia on top of paranoia. Also, it's not just weed anymore.
Starting point is 00:15:22 It's drugs. It's like hard drugs. It's Molly and fucking PCP and shit. They're just doing it all. And they're like, they're casually using GHB. They're casually using stuff like that. That's just like... Not to mention whatever the fucking team gives them for his pain.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Yeah. So it's time to leave the club at this point. Odin and Aaron, they make up enough to get in the car together. Give me a little kiss. Yeah, along with their barber, who they had out for a couple drinks. Oh, that's nice. And they're sitting in the parking lot, smoking a blunt, as you do. And Hernandez fucking spots his babysitter.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Jennifer Forty. Oh, she's going to tell my mom. She's sitting there coming out of the club. She's got her hot friend Amanda with her, and he offers them a ride to their car, and then basically kidnaps him. He ditches the barber and takes them back to his Franklin apartment that the Patriots rented him to keep him out of trouble. The best part about this apartment being super close to all the the trouble, is that I could bring the trouble there.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Yeah, they rented him this, right next to the bars. It's going to make him better? Yeah. It's not right next to the bars. I'm sure there's bars close by, but it's kind of far away. It's closer to the stadium. Yeah, but the weird thing is that it's not
Starting point is 00:16:31 a nice apartment. It's not a super nice apartment complex. It's a very, like, middle of the road, regular-ass apartment complex. One of the documentaries, they talk to a woman who was his neighbor, and she's like, You know, I, I don't watch football, but there was a lot of weed being smoked in there. There was certainly a lot of marijuana. It's just so much weed.
Starting point is 00:16:49 She thought there was a skunk in the building at one point. That's what I do explain to her or what it was. So Jennifer, the babysitter, she's extremely uncomfortable in this situation. Her phone's dead and it's just not her scene. She don't like fucked up apartment drug dens as much as the rest of us. To each their own, I guess. Yeah, I mean, sadly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:08 At one point, Hernandez disappears into one of the bedrooms. calls her over there to makes her sit on the bed with him, and then he kisses him. Little kiss for you. Get a little kiss. She rejects his advances because she's his fucking nanny, but he doesn't push the issue,
Starting point is 00:17:23 and he just says, I understand, no hard feelings. Not everybody can be into the old Hernandez. And then he just passes the fuck out. Odin's also passed out in a living room, and Jennifer takes her friend's phone and calls a cat, gets the hell out of there. In the morning, Aaron uses Odin's phone
Starting point is 00:17:40 to text Shayana. I fucked up again. I didn't mean, but got drunk and fucked up and owed took care of me some. How I told him about the other spot and I just woke up bugging and on my way home. Some people think Aaron became suspicious of Odin because he knew of his infidelities.
Starting point is 00:17:57 But Cheyana herself admits she knew and understood that Aaron was unfaithful. Maybe he told Odin about the murders outside Cure or about shooting Bradley in the face down in Florida. But one thing that was for sure at this point, he did not trust Odin anymore. Then you should change your name to Loki. God had missed you.
Starting point is 00:18:17 Because he's the most untrustworthy of the Norse mythology. It's also been theorized that Aaron may have made a pass at Odin as well that night. No one will ever know what happened after these ladies escaped Aaron's trap house. But the next evening, Odin Lloyd would be dead. My theory as to how this went down is that we talk about the difference between Odin Lloyd and Alexander Bradley. Alexander Bradley, you know, he's a gangster. He's, you know, he's very well-acquainted with violence and living a morally gray lifestyle.
Starting point is 00:18:51 And Aaron kind of looks up to him, too. Yeah. Yeah, he kind of probably a little bit intimidated and kind of excited by him in a way. Yeah, very much excited. I mean, he, Aaron Hernandez purposefully surrounded himself with people like that to make himself feel tougher. But Odin Lloyd, by all accounts, like I said, he was a good dude. And I think that Aaron Hernandez,
Starting point is 00:19:11 may have misjudged how Oden Lloyd might respond to Aaron saying like, yeah, I've killed two people and I shot my other friend in the face. I would imagine Oden Lloyd did not respond very positively to that
Starting point is 00:19:26 if that's what happened. So this is my question. Do you pair you got a new buddy, soon to be brother-in-law, the single most tenuous and suspicious relationship? Yeah. Right? Your brother-in-law and you are always going to get in some kind of trouble. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:42 The brother-in-law... Wait, I don't get into any trouble with my brother-in-law. Well, my brother-in-law is a heart surgeon, so he doesn't do anything. But I'm just saying, brother-in-law are by far the most problematic relationship in any family. I'm the problematic guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Yeah, right. They can be, yeah. I can't be, yeah. I could see Odin, like, do you, when you're going to talk to your new, it's soon-to-be-in-law, and you lead with I murdered two guys in an impulsive move
Starting point is 00:20:12 because I thought they were casing me and then also maybe what if we you ever see that movie with the cowboys and then his kid and then like when do you layer those two
Starting point is 00:20:28 together like is it one than one it's like what's the fastest way to move your brother a lot out of the room I'm not quite certain well also Odin Lloyd nice guy that he is is this something that I deal with a lot he's a big crazy looking dude
Starting point is 00:20:43 so people confide in you people say horrible shit to me all the time thinking I'm also horrible and I'm just like hey I don't appreciate that you know and I'm a comedian that has been an offensive comedian for so long but it is so funny to meet people that when they hear you're a comedian
Starting point is 00:21:00 and then they just there was a Florida lawyer I once was talking to in behalf of my parents and as soon as he heard I was a comedian he was going through my socials he just started with the F words Oh yeah Like really getting great
Starting point is 00:21:14 And it kept being like I'm a comedian Not a homicide detective Like this is not like You have to kind of think about this Where like I just sometimes say inappropriate things Yeah I look at the world and make observations
Starting point is 00:21:28 Yeah I don't think Aaron made a pass at Odin I think that he tried to make him another Alexander Bradley and Odin Was like not well just like I'm not That's not my scene. I don't like. And he probably looked very uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:21:44 And he may have even said like, hey, that's fucked up, man. Yeah. And now he's looking at you different. Now he's looking at you different because Aaron Hernandez is very, very paranoid. He's thinking, this guy's going to turn me in. Maybe this guy's going to try to kill me before I kill him. Who knows where his fucking mind went. He says something stupid.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Odin Lloyd's like, I don't like this. And then he's like, fuck you, motherfucker. That's probably the argument, in my opinion. Oh, yeah. No, no. I've been around people like Aaron Hernandez in my life. And they turn on a dime and it's very fucking dangerous. Very scary.
Starting point is 00:22:12 You got to get out of there. Yeah, don't hang out with scary people. No, please. Unless, of course, they bring you to fun things or give you stuff. All right, so it's Father's Day. June 15th, 2013. Aaron's on the phone with his agent Brian Murphy trying to figure out what to do with Alexander Bradley's $1.3 million extortion. If I was Aaron Hernandez, I'd pay it.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Yes, he's just got a shit ton of money. I would pay that money. You know, but he's like, he's like, he won't do it for some reason. And then Bradley just texted him. Don't understand why if you was mad enough to shoot me. You ain't mad enough to compensate me. I guess I'm a bitch, because when I think about you, I cry. Wow, you make a me cry.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Why are you saying something like sensitive stuff? You know I'm with you no more. No, you're not with me, but I still look to the stuff. stars and your eyes stare back. Whatever. Sometimes I think about the way what we could have been and the past we couldn't take it, but we have that verse from that. And so I love you and good night.
Starting point is 00:23:21 There was a whole series of other sentimental pleas for money and through text, but like, as sentimental as they were, there was a lot of words that we shouldn't say on the show. Like what? So Aaron continued to deny that he had ever even shot him and he refused to pay
Starting point is 00:23:39 him anything. You see, two days earlier, Bradley had actually filed that civil lawsuit against Hernandez, and Aaron was doing whatever he could to get out of it quietly and without paying. And it seemed to be going well. The agent Murphy
Starting point is 00:23:55 talked Bradley's lawyer into voluntarily dropping the lawsuit. That's because literally like that dude's one of the most powerful sports agents in the world and knows how to scare the fuck out of some random ass lawyer. Dude, Murphy is a fantastic agent. That's who you want.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Can you imagine? God, I just wish I could have committed a crime just so that I could have called Ken to get him to get us out of it. That idea, I can't even imagine how important you must be. Dude, to this day, Murphy's like, Hernandez didn't do it.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Yeah, yeah. Like, to this day, to this day, he won't waver at all. That's an agent's agent. I mean, even O.J.'s agent He eventually had to say like, oh, fuck. We finally get let go of his hurt stuck. And he was just like, OG did it.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Yeah. So Murphy's like, you know, if you put this lawsuit in the news, then we really have no reason to pay you. But if you withdraw it now, we can make a deal. And that bought him some time. Sure. He's good at what he does, man. Oh, yeah. So Aaron hit up Olden Lloyd to hang out that night.
Starting point is 00:25:00 And right after he hung out with him, by the way, all of Aaron, don't text anyone in a crime. Like, all like, call. You've got to call the talk. You meet under a bridge. They have thousands of Aaron Hernandez's text. They were just delivered to them. Dumbest things I've ever heard. It was like two days in the trial, just reading his text messages.
Starting point is 00:25:22 It's called. Damn. Who said that? So he hits Odin Lloyd up to hang out with him that night. And right after he hit him up, he hit up Bowles to get his ass over there because they got to take care of something. It's now after midnight. Odin's waiting for Aaron to come pick him up. And he doesn't show up until 2.30 a.m.
Starting point is 00:25:41 And he's got Wallace and Ortiz with him. See, I would have fallen asleep. I've been like, sorry, Aaron, we'll play tomorrow. He's fucking excited, man. He gave him a suburban. Well, also, now, let's say, maybe O'Don Lloyd also knows he's a murderer. Yes. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Yeah, and he's scared. Yeah, of course. I think he absolutely knows that he's a murderer. At this point, yeah. So when Aaron's picking up Oden Lloyd and Dorchester, his sister, Shaquilla, spots him getting into the car and Odin sees that she sees him and then he texts her.
Starting point is 00:26:14 You see who I'm with? Aaron has gone full Eddie Nash at this point. All right? He's firing his gun out the window while he's driving. He's shooting at street signs. He's blowing through tolls scraping the side of the car.
Starting point is 00:26:26 It's fucking bananas, all right? How about, I don't know, 20 minutes go by, something like that. Shaquilla finally texts back. Sorry, my phone was dead. Who was that? Odin responds. NFL.
Starting point is 00:26:37 just so you know. And that's why I think that Oden Lloyd knew that he was a murderer. He knew that he was going to be he knew that he was about to get whacked. He knew something bad was going to happen. Definitely. And all he had to say was NFL. NFL. Yeah. And that was
Starting point is 00:26:51 his last text message of his life. Wow. Odin Lloyd was then brought to an industrial park, less than a mile from Hernandez's North Attleboro home and smoked his last blunt with Aaron Hernandez. Oh, at least they have one last blunt together. Oh my God. His fucking DNA was on the blunt.
Starting point is 00:27:07 both of them it was like he handed them everything oh he was such a bad killer which also this like because he's acting like he's in a movie yeah he's in he's not in reality anymore oh no well he's i mean if he's ever been in reality oh yeah oden lloyd's body was found by a high school student out for a jog there in that industrial lot on tuesday june 18th he was dead covered in flies and shot six times he had the suburban rental keys under hernandez's name in his pocket God, it's like cops can't even place evidence that well. Oh, my God. This whole episode is just like how bad he was it evidence.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Yeah, that's amazing. Also, the problem is there's a, by the time they found him, there's a storm rolling in. So the police had to like act quick to secure the crime scene before it all gets washed away. Yeah, they're there to build, like they built a whole tent city around it. Yeah. Live from your way. So back at the Hernandez house. Shayana was comforting her sister Shania
Starting point is 00:28:08 because she'd come over there to grieve the death of Odin. She cried herself to sleep on the couch and when she woke up in the morning Hernandez was there and told her I've been through this dead thing before it'll get better with time time
Starting point is 00:28:24 you're all wounds you got old Stella you just got let things just chill out. But when Shenea was passed out Aaron called the house and told Shaiana to get rid of this black box he had in the house
Starting point is 00:28:35 and to not let anyone see you. She would later claim she never looked inside the box and did what her husband told her to do and that she thought it was weed and but everyone is 99% sure that the murder weapon was inside this box. Yes. And she somehow could never remember
Starting point is 00:28:51 where the dumpster was that she threw it out in. You know, of course, yeah. She never know. It's so hard. When you're hiding evidence for your spouse, it's so hard to be thinking about it. Yeah. Ride or die is the description they use with Shenea all the time.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Yeah, she stays with Aaron all throughout. Yeah, she changed her name to Hernandez after he died. Jesus. Yeah. Because, again, she chose him. This is the person that's taken care of her and taken care of the family. And she's decided that she's going to go all the way down. Dude, her IG is so sad.
Starting point is 00:29:21 It's just, like, pictures of her daughter with Aaron's, like, silhouette behind him and stuff. It's like, oh, I hate, I went down that rabbit hole and I was like, oh. Yeah, well, Aaron's been driving another rental car that night. Nissan Altima and he went to Enterprise to drop it off in the morning. Get rid of the evidence, you know? It was dinged up from a wild night of driving through tolls, but he had bought the insurance, so at least he was in the Claire there. Yeah, that's the best part. The clerk, though, remembered that Hernandez had offered her a piece of gum. She clocked it as weird because it was blue cotton candy flavored bubble-licious. Why did an adult man have this? I got playful attitude.
Starting point is 00:29:59 He just proves how much He never fucking grew up Yeah, he's a kid, he's trapped in his own brain Yeah, also he is a kid He's 24, I think, at this point Later, when she inspected the car She found that the same gum Was stuck to the carpet on the floor of the car
Starting point is 00:30:18 She tried to get it off with a piece of paper She found there And when she was down there She also found some bullet casings That would match the casings found at the murder scene Now these aren't the casings from the murder, but from when he was shooting street signs out of the window like a lunatic.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Yeah, yeah, don't worry. He left the casings from the murder at the murder scene. Yeah, where they're supposed to me. Yeah, where they're supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to let them breathe. Yeah, and he wrote on him, Harry Potter's. Yeah, Harry Potter's one. Harry Potter's three because Harry Potter's too stupid.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Harry Potter, do. I should rob all the more. That's a forbidden name. Everybody know. Everyone knows. Come look of them all. I love this rental car employed. It's like, this detain. It's like, this seems to be the same bubble gun that I was just given my Aaron Hernandez.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I've never paid attention to a single thing before. And I'll never pay attention to a single thing again. But that was one detail I'll always remember. So at this point, the evidence was getting thicker than Cheyana when she was pregnant. Nice. And the, thank you. And the cops were. staked out in Hernandez's household right at the end of his driveway.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Aaron's flipping out. He calls his agent Brian Murphy and asks for advice. Murphy said, well, hey, if you're innocent, then go talk to the police, see why they're there. Come on, Aaron. Just go give it a, go give it a college shot. It's a really nice way of asking if he did it. Yeah. Well, if you're innocent of the crime, you can just go and talk to the place. Yeah. That's what you call gaging. Gaging a response And he's looking like this
Starting point is 00:32:02 He gave you face time now Eventually Aaron got the courage To do just that He then they asked him If he had rented a Chevy Suburban He said he had for his friend Odin Lloyd And the question started flowing And then Aaron's like
Starting point is 00:32:17 Oh I got to go get my attorney And then he asked them why they were there And then the cops told him They were investigating a death Aaron then slammed his front door In their face with no response Why did he not even ask who died? The cops thought that was odd, you know?
Starting point is 00:32:33 And it was with that, the North Attaburroo Police Department thought they had enough evidence for a search warrant. Hernandez didn't even get off the couch when they came to the door. And while they were searching his house, he eventually went downstairs and shot some pool in his man cave with Cheyana's uncle. Before he broke the rack, he turned to Cheyana's uncle and said, My endorsements are gone. Puma had run back to the mountains. Pussycats. Couldn't handle the heat.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Something about multiple murders. Really make some of these advertisers pretty skittish. Yeah. Some. Some guys will always be there. Good old. Choose a company. Smith and Wesson would have been a great one for it.
Starting point is 00:33:17 Oh, huge. As far as I know, the only shoe that was definitively linked to a mass murder was Keds, Heaven's Gate. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, they all wore heads. Good for them. It's not comfortable.
Starting point is 00:33:31 They weren't walkers. All right. It's Wednesday morning. He drives the Gillette Stadium. The place was swarmed with reporters. Helicopter circling the stadium. Aaron was officially a person of interest. Not exactly a good look with Coach Belichick and Robert Kraft, the owner.
Starting point is 00:33:49 They questioned him in the wait room. Hernandez said he was innocent. He was at the club at the time of the murder. He's just waiting for the time lighten to prove his innocence. So he's got that, you know, so they're like, cool. But this would be the last time he ever spoke to Bill Belichick. When he got home, he was served a different summons. Alexander Bradley decided with all of this Oden Lloyd news,
Starting point is 00:34:09 it was time to file his lawsuit. And the always respectful TMZ broke the story that another man has filed a lawsuit on Hernandez for shooting him. What was happening? TMZ, probably. The most accurate news association. on the face of the planet I do not like them
Starting point is 00:34:29 don't like them we've talked about this I hate them I spent the week on TMZ yes TMZ though has the most correct breaking news
Starting point is 00:34:39 they're always first of any news organization ever well the police had a lot of pertinent questions for Hernandez at this point why had he ordered
Starting point is 00:34:49 a house cleaners special to his house on June 17 Super dirty why had his security system attempted to be destroyed. It did itself. It was himself. It was committed with suicide.
Starting point is 00:35:00 Why did his lawyers turn in his cell phone in pieces? Because that's how I found it. It was a Mr. Snuffaloppagus. Why are you stepping on my phone? But he was still a free man. So he went back to Gillette Stadium when the director of security for the Patriots saw him. He came over and was like,
Starting point is 00:35:18 get out of here. Why you just leave? It's time for you to well actually i was just leaving oh i should go so now it's saturday and the cop searches house again and they find a bunch of guns ammunition and bulletproof vests and then they got the break they needed
Starting point is 00:35:41 the enterprise worker who found the bullets in the rental car saw the news and had not initially reported it that's a g right there yeah yeah because that's a fucking g he saw in a rental car He's just like, you know what? I don't want to deal with it. It was a lady. It was a lady.
Starting point is 00:36:00 She said that she had found weirder things returned in rental cars. So she didn't question it. Well, there was like a shooting range down the road. Oh, sure. It happened before. Wow, that's actually, that's hilarious. Four bullets.
Starting point is 00:36:13 All right, fine. But luckily, sanitation had not come to pick up the dumpster yet. And so the cops had all the evidence they needed. Now they had the matching bullet casing. the scene of the crime, attaching Hernandez to everything. But still, there was no murder weapon. So the cops started
Starting point is 00:36:31 questioning everyone that knew Hernandez, including his bad boy crew of TL, Tanya, Wallace, and Ortiz. Ortiz was on probation, and his probation officer was one of the detective's wives. She let them know Ortiz knew Hernandez,
Starting point is 00:36:48 and it just failed a drug test for PCP. So they brought him in. Kept him up for questioning. and put him through a polygraph that he failed miserably. And he put Hernandez, Bo Wallace. I'm not guilty. Himself and Odin Lloyd together
Starting point is 00:37:05 at the crime scene together on the night of the murder. I would tell you this is literally the highest score I've ever seen for a lie ever on this. It kind of was like that. This man's never told the truth. I actually don't know
Starting point is 00:37:20 if he's mentally capable of understanding what truth is. is so they they got on the cut of deal you know and he's starting now he's flipped on Hernandez so finally the police felt they had enough evidence to confidently arrest
Starting point is 00:37:35 Hernandez they went to his house and took him to jail handcuffed with a white undershirt hastily thrown over his rippling tattooed jizzled chest sorry just some horny adjectives to make sure the ladies are still listening oh don't worry they're wet and the men
Starting point is 00:37:51 are erect Oh my God, during the jury selection, one of the chicks who came in and then immediately just blurted out of her mouth, he's so hot. And he's like, ha, ha, you're right. So, so Aaron Hernandez was now charged with the first degree murder of Odin Lloyd, along with six other crimes and processed into Bristol County Jail, arraigned soon after that and denied bail. Hernandez continued to show little to no emotion during the sentient. entire process, which just seems to be what he does in intense situations. No, you just
Starting point is 00:38:28 shuts off. Well, yeah, he doesn't feel anything. Well, it's like he's just waiting. He's waiting until somebody gets him out of it. And he knows that if he's calm and if he doesn't freak out, he doesn't say the wrong thing. A lot of times somebody comes handle. Someone, not a lot of times, every time,
Starting point is 00:38:44 up until this point, someone has come along to handle it. He is pretty good at keeping his mouth shut. Yeah. That's like the one thing he's good at in this whole thing. Bo Wallace, he knew the cops were going to be looking for him too so he hit up T.L. and Tanya get him out of town. They drove him on back roads all the way down to Georgia
Starting point is 00:39:00 where they put him on a bus down the South Florida for Bo to hide out. Two days later, T.L. Singleton drove off the road in Connecticut with his mistress while high on PCP Oxy Coke and booze. He died on the scene. The mistress lift. Yay!
Starting point is 00:39:15 And that's another win for side chicks. He doesn't go loose. That's too many drugs to be on and drive. Yeah. You know what? That amount of drugs are? It's called taxi. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:26 It's called get a taxi. I feel like that's easy to do. I think, you know, he would have gotten away with it like Ted Kennedy because I feel like Ted Kennedy was doing those, but not PCP. Yeah. Anything but PC. It's all of the normal senator drugs. So a week after that, the Patriots are trying to distance themselves as far as possible from Hernandez
Starting point is 00:39:46 at this point. They've fired him. He's gone. He's not on the team anymore. And then they offer. a buyback program for Aaron Hernandez jerseys from fans. The Patriot Pro Shop
Starting point is 00:39:56 traded over 1,200 Hernandez jerseys and fans could pick any other cheater, I mean Patriot, that they wanted. Funny! Got them! Man, Bill Belichick's laughing us all into the grave, though, man, with his new 24-year-old fucking prison caper. Dude, he's going to get
Starting point is 00:40:12 fired from his college job. Yeah, dude. Yeah, he don't give me a fuck anymore. He's getting his dick. Suck! He is getting a couple extra million for basically nothing to show. So Puma and Muscle Milk. They already dropped Hernandez loose. You know, Bristol Central High School
Starting point is 00:40:28 and University of Florida removed any mention of him from campus. But then the biggest hitter Hernandez came. E.A. Sports removed him from Madden. That has to just been. My God, I didn't know I could ever experience. What is the
Starting point is 00:40:44 salty discharge? What is the salty discharge? A cone of interest. By the way, U.S.E. has O.J. Simpson's Hysman on display in their heritage halls. You can't take away the stats. Stick into the gun. You can't take away those stats. I mean,
Starting point is 00:40:58 it seems to be the thing that Aaron Hernandez was most upset about was them taking his awards out of his high school. When you listen to the conversations that he had. Not really Florida, but his high school. It was his high school he was so upset about. Because that's where his dad was.
Starting point is 00:41:14 It's like a legend there. The Hernandez's name is a legend there. And because that was the base of his whole personal legend. Yeah. Yeah. And this is also the same town where he's in jail. Yeah. So in Bristol County jail, they kept Hernandez away from other incarcerated people for his own protection. Solitary, but not solitary type of deal. He was only allowed in the yard for one hour a day, but only by himself. He kept working out. He was like, I'm going back to the NFL. He's working out like a motherfucker. He wanted to join Jen Pop so bad. He wanted to play basketball, but they're trying to
Starting point is 00:41:48 figure out if that was a bad idea or not. Yeah, it was a, fucking bad idea, Aaron Hernandez. This is jail. You're not fun. It's not fun. Because they also said, the thing about Aaron Hernandez was that he had that ability to be like normal everywhere. Yeah. And they said that when he went into jail.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Yeah. And then when he went into jail, he got comfortable really quickly. He was all like, oh wow, kind of fun. Hanging out with the boys going on, playing different checkers made out of people poop. People poop get harder. They get rid of chickens out of them. They're playing with that. He adapted.
Starting point is 00:42:19 incredibly fast. He was very good at adapting to anything. Also, right now, it's like assumed that he's joined the bloods. Yeah. So everything's going on. They eventually let him join Gen Pop, and he took to jail surprisingly well, just like you were saying. He even referred to his cell as
Starting point is 00:42:35 cozy. Yeah, it's like nice. The way he talked about you, it's pretty nice, pretty good. Pretty good. He's playing poker, cribbage. He's reading his Harry Potter's. Oh, my God. I hope Hermione going to kiss the other guy. I was rooting
Starting point is 00:42:51 for hell we potter His favorite His favorite snack Two honey buns With peanut butter in the middle I don't know why that may be Just fucking gag When I read that
Starting point is 00:43:01 Because that's so sweet and disgusting Honey buns are huge I love honey buns And I love peanut butter But fucking Christ Is it child's Yeah Yeah
Starting point is 00:43:13 It's like well Or it's a stoner's meal That's what it is It's like when I was in college and I get two Eggos, and I put peanut butter and jelly and cream cheese on them and eat those. Yeah, they were incredible for stoners. You know what is a really good stoner sandwich, my buddy? Eggo waffles, ham and cheese.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Whoa. Ham and cheese between two ego waffles, you put some syrup on that shit. That's the shit, motherfucker. No boner check right now. Yeah, dude. That's the fucking shit, dude. What do you put on it? mayonnaise, mustard? Both.
Starting point is 00:43:46 Both. Manyes mustard, maple syrup. Fuck, yes. Like a big fat piece of shit, dude. Yeah, damn, damn, man. Yeah, that sounds dangerous. It's real good. You earn that body, bro.
Starting point is 00:43:56 I carve this body. Hernandez also claims at this time that he was friends with the rats and mice. Yeah, dude. I know what I said, you guys made me feel like him, like him Cinderella. But he didn't like the cockroaches and spiders. They're mean, the gossip. They say mean things. They say things they don't mean.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Also, most of the guards are fucking patriot, fans. and enamored by him, so they turn a blind eye to his drug use. Even in jail, he's getting special treatment. Yeah. So the Odin-Loyd murder trial began on January 29th, 2015, but it really didn't get going in earnest until mid-February, thanks to a series of weather-related delays. A massive snowstorm dumped over 24 inches of the white stuff on Fall River,
Starting point is 00:44:41 but that paled in comparison to the mountain of evidence against Hernandez. During that time, Brady, Gronk, and the rest of the... the Patriots won the Super Bowl again. I mean, so did I can't remember, Aaron Hernandez, did he ever win a Super Bowl? He never won. He never won. He was in one and they lost. Yes. In his first season, right, he was in one. Yes. And then the next season they lost in the AFC Championship came to the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah. But that's
Starting point is 00:45:06 incredible that like the season that he was supposed to be like their $40 million guy. They wouldn't have won the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't even need him. Yeah, they didn't even need him. No. God. It's, yeah, but they're so, they were so good. I hate them. but they were so good. Yeah. A few years prior, as we just said, Hernandez had played in the Super Bowl. However, there might have actually been more cameras on him the night of the murder.
Starting point is 00:45:27 There was extensive surveillance footage from outside businesses linking him to the scene of the crime. But perhaps the most damning footage was the security cameras at his own house. Hernandez didn't delete the footage properly. It showed him rolling up in the last car Oden Lloyd was seen in a few minutes after Oden Lloyd was. was killed and pulling out what appeared to be a Glock handgun, which, you guessed it, was the exact weapon used in the killing. On February 17, 2015, prosecutor showed a video of Hernandez destroying his cell phone the day after the murder. Oh, ooh, e! I can see everyone's watching more.
Starting point is 00:46:08 Oh, ooh. There he is. That's what he's doing it. Ironically, this is the same strategy Tom Brady would try not even three weeks later during the deflategate investigation. It didn't work for either of them. The Patriot Way was effective for winning football games, not so much of getting rid of evidence. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Even though Hernandez destroyed his phone, prosecutors still had and presented 2,000 pages of cell phone records. Jesus fucking Christ. These files showed that Hernandez had asked Carlos Ortiz and Ernest Wallace to come home from Connecticut to Massachusetts the day before the murder, saying that, quote, You can't trust anyone anymore. Well, it turns out that you can trust about half of the people because Ortiz radded out Hernandez
Starting point is 00:46:56 in exchange for prosecutors dropping the murder charge against him. He pled down to a lesser accessory charge that got him four and a half to seven years instead of the life sentence he was up against. You know what you call the guy who believes in loyalty of a group of guys that done a bunch of crimes together and the one guy he says he'll never like rat in his guys? What? That's the guy that goes down for the death. It's that everybody else around you is going to immediately jump ship.
Starting point is 00:47:21 They are just going to dump your ass, Aaron Hernandez. They don't give a fuck. Like, that's the thing. He thought he had all this power. And then once it's all officially there, once the cops are involved, they're all flip, flip, flip, Philadelphia, man. Well, Wallace, on the other hand, didn't provide information or take a play deal. He took the case to trial and was acquitted of murder but found guilty of similar accessory charges. in sentence four to seven years.
Starting point is 00:47:49 These two men saw a fork in the snitch road, took different paths and ended up in the same spot. Really makes you think. It does. Life provides paid answers. It's worth noting here that while they never found a gun, it's pretty obvious what happened. First off, like I mentioned before,
Starting point is 00:48:08 Hernandez clearly has a gun in his hand shortly after he enters his house. The defense floated the theory that it could have been something else like, an iPad, but that theory falls apart when you note the size, shape, and the fact that it's clearly a fucking gut. The prosecution showed the footage of Cheyana Jenkins to get her take. She played dumb as well, saying that it looked like a black blob.
Starting point is 00:48:31 That's some kind of black blob. He always had some. You know, Aaron, with his collection of black blobs? Yeah, well, you know, blobs. They're usually... They're amorphous, undefined, you know, but in this case, the blob is noteworthy because it was shaped like a fucking gun. Well, I had the thing about it was that the blob is that it had a, it had a trigger that a handle.
Starting point is 00:48:56 And the blob had what you call something like a, it's where the bullet comes out of. A barrel? Yeah. It's a barrel. It seems like that blob. See, I'm a bit of a blob connoisseur myself. I'm thinking of blobs. I actually am.
Starting point is 00:49:14 In my house, I have no less. than seven or eight blobs. I love blobs. Yeah, I really love blobs. All my blobs are either round or square. Very fewer gun-shaped. Yeah, very fewer gun-shaped. I'm pretty sure I'm a blob to Tutsi. Yeah. Yeah, she can't see shit. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, no dogs can. Also, Robert Kraft took the fucking stand. The owner, his owner, spray tanned and smug, and his testimony would actually end up being pretty damning. He recanted how Hernandez told him it couldn't have been him because he was at the club, but the jury had just saw footage of
Starting point is 00:49:48 Hernandez from his own home, on his own security cameras. He was a thund. Rubbercraft, he's so haughty coming in and out of that trial. Like he refuses to even look at Eric. I can't even look at
Starting point is 00:50:04 you. I was like, fuck you, dude. You loved him two weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, you were fine. He knew about all the shit. He knew about all the fucking horrible things. if he didn't know the specifics, he knew that Aaron Anis was doing bad shit, and he kept going anyway. He was too important to the NFL, Marcus.
Starting point is 00:50:21 If he would have got off, even though they knew he did it, he would have hired him back no problem. That was the whole thing with the Patriots. They love trouble players. After two months and 132 witnesses, the prosecution rested. The defense didn't take as long.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Their case lasted one day with a grand total of three witnesses, and their entire argument was basically, well, that's just like, your opinion man the dude would have been proud for the first time since the trial started they acknowledged that Hernandez was present for the murder
Starting point is 00:50:54 it was viewed as a shocking pivot and strategy but after two months of footage of him driving to and from the crime scene at a rental car full of shell casings they really didn't have a choice this is my favorite they called a PCP expert to discuss the effects of the drug after
Starting point is 00:51:12 positing a theory that Ortiz and Wallace committed the murder while high in that Hernandez was just an innocent man at the wrong place at the wrong time who panicked Because you got understand man With PCP God I love it
Starting point is 00:51:26 I'm a goddamn expert on The key here is man I understand everything's technical color I'm black and white dog All right two sides One's right evil One side's not so evil
Starting point is 00:51:40 Fuck you I'm the expert on PCP I'll bring the fuck violence. Thank you so much, Dr. Winston. During the cross examination, the PCP
Starting point is 00:51:54 expert asked why the footage of Ortiz and Wallace a few minutes after the murder showed them acting very normal and not like PCP fiends. That's the most PCP shit in the world, dude, I act normal all fucking days. The lawyer's response was basically
Starting point is 00:52:08 the shrug emoji in real life. Not exactly a compelling response. Well, what can you? What can you say? I don't know. PCP. I did, but, you know, I did once date a girl who, before we had dated, she's like, oh, yeah,
Starting point is 00:52:22 I did PCP for three, four years. People treat sometimes PCP like it's a casual thing. Yeah, I know, it was, like, crap becomes actually quite casual. It's crazy how casually she treated it. Yeah. It never had any effect on me. It did. Oh, yeah, it did.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Angel dust is too cute a name. Yeah, it really is. You just think, like, oh, I can do that. It's for God. No, and you found a lot of that God shit's super intense. The defense just tried to plant the reasonable doubt seed and hoped it would grow. They argued that Hernandez was targeted by cops because of his celebrity and the evidence against him was largely circumstantial.
Starting point is 00:52:56 You know how cops are so all about arresting celebrities and locking them up. You know, then they're always driven to do that. Especially all these Patriot fan cops that are the ones doing the arrest. It probably broke their fucking heart. Oh, yeah. They were probably extremely conflicted. Dude, when they showed up with the arrest warrant, One of the cops was like, oh, man, I got a sign jersey of his.
Starting point is 00:53:16 And then another cop had to tell that cop, hey, listen, you have to be prepared to kill this man right now. Yeah, like, get your fucking act together. Like, that's what they were dealing with going in for this arrest. Oh, yeah. I guarantee you, they all went home that night and they cried into their wife's bosom. Yeah. Because they were so fucking heartbroken. Honestly, they thought they ruined the next season.
Starting point is 00:53:33 They were probably crying into the lap of their best guy friend. Could be. Also a possibility. Not going to rule it out. Oh, man. The whole thing was basically a poor man's version of the OJ defense. But they didn't have anything nearly as effective as if the glove don't fit, you must have quit. They could have at least tried.
Starting point is 00:53:52 There ain't nothing suspicious about bubbleicious, but nothing. Because then he'd been like, ha-ha, you're not. Babelicious. And at least with OJ, they had Mark Furman, you know, being a total racist shithead. That really was the main thrust of the defense, was showing that they're trying to paint the police is corrupt. And they did. Hernandez's problem was that the North Attaborough Police Department learned for the mistakes of the LAPD all those years ago and actually did their jobs correctly. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:20 They did it against their will as well. And I will say for a smallish, you know, a smallish police force, they did a good job because a lot of times these small police forces can fuck these cases up bad. Oh, yeah. They wrap it. They wrap this up pretty hardcore, but also it's really helpful when your criminal is a fucking mentally broken idiot that can. I can't fucking handle his shit and doesn't know how to cover anything up. I think that also really helps. A child could have solved this case.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Yes. But at least they did it. Yes. Because they definitely could have not done it. Yes. Well, the jury deliberated for six days, which is usually an indicator that there's doubt with some jury members and they can't agree. In this case, however, they might have spent six full days going, holy shit, can you believe how bad Aaron Hernandez is that murder? and they were just
Starting point is 00:55:12 roasting them back there. Oh yeah, they're probably just wondering like, man, he should get back to being a tight end. It seemed like he was better at that. Aaron Hernandez is so bad at murder. How bad is he? He was immediately guilty. Whatever the case,
Starting point is 00:55:28 they returned a guilty verdict on April 15th and Hernandez was sentenced to life in prison without parole. Finally. Hernandez now full on living that prison life was starting to get in trouble behind bars. He randomly punches another incarcerated person in the face while they're cuffed.
Starting point is 00:55:46 But the guy who he punched doesn't press charges. No, because in prison you can't. Well, he said he was a Patriots fan. And it didn't matter, though, because Hernandez was given two weeks of solitary anyway. Another time, guards were searching his cell and Hernandez was hiding a piece of paper that said M-O-B on it. They asked him what that meant. He said, money all the bitches. But in prison, M-O-B also stands for member of bloods.
Starting point is 00:56:14 The guard said, hand it over. Hernandez upset, said, What if I don't? What the fuck you're going to do about? The officer said they would give him a disciplinary report. Oh, a piece of paper, huh? I don't care about it. I don't give a fuck about no disciplinary report.
Starting point is 00:56:28 I'll eat the motherfucker. He did receive the disciplinary report, and true to his word, he did eat it. And I'll tell you what? Honestly, and all, honestly, I liked it It tastes good To be honest Thank you
Starting point is 00:56:46 This is some of the nicest stuff I've had So this is his membership card to the blood It's so fucking stupid Marcus God damn Guys in prisoner board Yeah they are They're bored
Starting point is 00:56:58 And they got a lot of rules Welcome aboard Here's your membership card Here are your board You can say you're not going to sign it If you don't count unless you sign it But make sure to put that in your wallet Because you're not going to be able to get
Starting point is 00:57:09 into the Sunday mixer without. Enjoy being a blood. Now, I know we are called the Bloods, but you don't actually have to sign in blood. That's just the thing that people think. A lot of us kind of think that's gross. So, big Ups, big Gs to the West Side, have fun.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Don't forget to have fun. That's the thing. A lot of people when they get into a gang, they forget to have fun, but not the Bloods. Not the Bloods. We don't forget to have fun here. We're just having fun here. We do things a little different here.
Starting point is 00:57:35 Have you ever been a part of the Bloods before? We do things a little bit different here. Where we are a family-style gay, and we serve family-style violence for everyone. I, for one, like the Bloods. Good work, getting it. Unfortunately, I'm a CRIP. See, C, C, C, you know it? He also got an illegal neck tattoo that said lifetime loyalty above a star, which is also usually associated with the bloods.
Starting point is 00:58:06 You just got in the Bloods. Yeah. Also, each page. phone in prison was run by a different gang. He exclusively used the Blood's phone. So it's safe to say he was affiliated with them. Maybe not before jail, but in jail for sure.
Starting point is 00:58:19 How do you think that draft was? You think you got a better spot in the draft. It was in fourth rounds. I don't want to be Muslim. That's a big book. I don't know if I could read all about that. No pork. Well, I mean, but the thing is, he's
Starting point is 00:58:37 finally living his fantasy. This fantasy that he's had for years and years. He's the gangster he's always wanted to be. Yeah, he's finally this gang, he's finally living this gangster lifestyle and hanging out with all these guys, and he's just as tough as he always wanted to be. Dude, they loved him, too. He wasn't, like, usually, like, when famous guys go to jail,
Starting point is 00:58:53 they just get the shit kicked out of him. The fellow prisoners actually liked Aaron Hernandez. It was him, and same thing with Bernie Madoff, had an amazing time in prison. Really? Is he still alive? No. Good.
Starting point is 00:59:02 Yeah, he died a few years ago. But, yeah, he ended up, what did they call him, the professor? Yeah, he was like the, they, he did all the guys. taxes on the inside he did all he became a fucking like a old imagine going to prison and still having to do taxes. Yeah you're like you still got to be in a gallon.
Starting point is 00:59:19 So on disciplinary status he still figured out how he can get a care package from the commissary filled with cakes breakfast bars and two dozen honey buns. When they came to take it away from him he looked at the guards and said I'm a smart dude. I knew
Starting point is 00:59:36 you were coming for the stuff. So I ate all of it I'm a smart dude I'm a smart dude that's the thing about me I think five steps ahead
Starting point is 00:59:51 so I ate them honey buns thinking I got him and I have big old dokey you bet in your mouth he's just getting he's got to be sitting there like oh my stomach he's not at the point of how much
Starting point is 01:00:04 well he actually had four honey buns left all right yeah he kept the rappers of the other ones so the guards knew he didn't give him away. And when he took the last four honey buns, and when the guards took the last four honey buns, he wailed. Give them back. I'm so hungry. He just ate
Starting point is 01:00:20 20 honey buns. I know. I had four more. I had four more to get. You know when you have a certain amount of food and you've walked through a certain amount of them, but then you just kind of understand that like, I got four more so I'm okay. I'm going to be okay. But then you, there's something
Starting point is 01:00:38 pig them? And you're like, I'm not expected to eat all these. Yeah, I understand. So you did rape? You did a child rip? Cool. You're crazy, man. You're crazy. You're crazy. So crazy.
Starting point is 01:00:56 Hernandez also threatened to kill a guard in his family, but I'm sure that was all in good fun. Yeah, you know how that is. Well, I'm just into a two-in-one fight as being part of the two, beating up the one. He racked up 12 offenses, three of which were fistfights. And he got real into K2. K2, in case you don't know, is a synthetic marijuana that gives you a sense of euphoria
Starting point is 01:01:18 when smoked. Unfortunately, it can also cause paranoia hallucinations in psychotic episodes. I don't. They had a lot of problems with those. Yeah, so now he's smoking something that's far worse than weed. Yeah. And in jail. Well, because the reason he was smoking K2 is because it's basically odorless and it doesn't
Starting point is 01:01:36 show up on drug tests. Yeah. So he's getting fucking laced on it. And it's reported that Hernandez fit into prison just a little too well. Other than the bloods, he was starting to make friends. He had to. This was his new normal. And yeah, he just took to it.
Starting point is 01:01:51 Yeah, he's a creature of routine, you know, and habit from his football years. He can live in any situation. He's used to like three-a-day practices, sleeping on the floor, you know. It's not that big of a difference in a weird way. He was able to compartmentalize being locked up really well. There were 120 dudes on his cell block. A hundred of them were lifers. Plenty of time to get to know these guys.
Starting point is 01:02:13 One guy he buddied up with was someone not there for life. Kyle Kennedy. Kennedy had an interesting story himself. He held up a Cumberland Farms gas station with a butcher knife and got $189. But when they put him in jail, they forgot to lock his cell and he just walked out. He proclaimed, Nobody told me I couldn't leave. Loopho.
Starting point is 01:02:36 I guess I'm just going to go there. Hernandez liked the cut of his jib. Yeah, hell yeah. And he got the guards to make him his bunkmates. And we'll get back to this guy in a little bit. But first, let's talk about Tanya Singleton. Remember her? She was in the middle of the worst year of her life.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Her husband, T.L. died in that car crash. She got breast cancer diagnosis and got locked up for contempt because she refused to testify in Aaron's trial. They tried to get her to roll over on Aaron, but she was dying. of cancer and told them to go fuck. Yeah. Tanya was the woman that Aaron Hernandez lived with after her, after his father died. Yes. Yes. That was it. Yeah, that basically
Starting point is 01:03:16 his cousin, his mom married her ex-husband. You know, she took care of him. He looked at her as his mom more than his mom, Terry. She was another extraordinarily harmful presence in his life that would just tell him like, you're okay, everything you're doing is okay, you're fine,
Starting point is 01:03:32 you're a beautiful baby and you've never done anything wrong. Yes. She would probably just sat with his head in her lap and she ran her fingers through his bald head and fucking, you know, put him to sleep and stuff like that. I'm sure she was very comforting to him while she was also teaching him the fucking worst shit in the world. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:47 The thing is, a new piece of key evidence comes out when executing a search warrant at Tanya's house. No, I'm not talking about the picture she had hanging up of Aaron Hernandez holding a 45 Glock just like the murder weapon, although I should be. Well, that's circumstantial.
Starting point is 01:04:03 in her garage the cops found a silver fourrunner that's right jack fox's silver four runner the endorsement car remember they stashed that shit in tanya's garage they ran the license plate and wouldn't you know it it's the silver four runner they'd been looking for from the a brayu and frittato unsolved murders i mean that's they had so much time to get rid of this car yes so much fucking time to get rid of this At any point.
Starting point is 01:04:32 Just get rid of it, thrown in a river. Yeah, it's anything, anything. It's years later. Yeah. Why is it still, like, that's just how fucking lazy and stupid they are. Not just the car, Marcus. They also found Hernandez's clothes from that night that he was wearing. The only reason they knew it was the clothes he was wearing because they had him on the club
Starting point is 01:04:51 surveillance video. And they found 38 caliber shells. Also, the police had just stumbled onto the actual murder weapon as well. So this time they actually have the gun. Also, I put Aaron on a lot of my clothes so I know they're mine. Well, remember, these are the clothes he borrowed from Alexander Bradley. Oh, yes. It was found, the murder weapon, the 38 special, it was found in a woman's car.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Her name was Jeline Diaz Ramos. She was in an accident. And after an accident, they always searched the car, just protocol, you know. Jeline had a pretty long rap sheet herself. And she said the gun had belonged to a football player named Chicago. Chicago's real name was John Alcorn. John Alcorn was T.L. Singleton was the man who was married to Aaron Hernandez's cousin, Tanya. And so they just gave the gun to some other guy.
Starting point is 01:05:48 He literally just gave it to his cousin and he threw it in his girlfriend's drunk. They just left it there. Fuck it. Christ. They're so bad at it. Well, it's not. Do you think that maybe he kept it? it as some sort of memento?
Starting point is 01:06:01 Like, do you think that he, when he went over to Tani's house, maybe he went in the garage and relived the moment? No, dude, I think... This is Aaron Hernandez's gun, man! I'm surprised Hernandez to autograph it. Truly, I do think that there's a little bit of a deeply ignorant sentiment of this could all just go away. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:21 And then if I just take this and hide it. Lock the door. Pretend it doesn't exist. It'll all go away. No one's going to come looking for it. So now the double murder trial is going to begin. March 1st, 2017. And this time, Aaron Hernandez got a fancy new lawyer.
Starting point is 01:06:37 His name was Jose Baez. Baez. Yeah. Casey Anthony's lawyer. Oh, yeah. That fucking piece of shit. Well acquainted with Jose Baez. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Aaron Hernandez probably the whole time, like, what's Casey Anthony's boobs like? Hold on. He got her off. Whoa. Okay. And this actually, Jose Baez, should have. hired him for the first trial. Definitely should have hired him for the first trial. And this trial would go much better for Hernandez, whereas the first trial had a mountain of evidence against
Starting point is 01:07:08 the former tight end. This one didn't really have much definitive to tie him to the case. All the security camera footage that showed Hernandez at the club showed him doing things like standing there, drinking, walking, all of which at the time were legal in Massachusetts. Disgusting. Not since 2024 The prosecution rested their case entirely on the shoulders
Starting point is 01:07:35 of Alexander Bradley Bradley is not the most credible witness not only because he's an admitted drug dealer but also because he had just gotten
Starting point is 01:07:42 arrested when he got into a gunfight at a nightclub and got shot three more times I got to say honestly y'all I am sick
Starting point is 01:07:52 of getting shot I have had it up to my one eye left. Because that's probably why he's a bad witness, too. Yes. One eye. Yeah, one eye. And he also wasn't a good shot because after he got shot, he went
Starting point is 01:08:06 and grabbed his gun and then fired it into the club 12 times. Luckily nobody was killed. I need a scope on my face. I don't got any of that debt perception anymore. They gave Bradley five years and he rolled over on Hernandez to get his charges reduced.
Starting point is 01:08:22 Oh, yeah. Bradley took the stand sporting a fancy new fake guy courtesy of the time Hernandez shot him in the face an incident that fake eyes are actually really nice they are cool yeah remember last action hero the bad guy with the fake eye was the best one it was really fucking cool I love that goddamn
Starting point is 01:08:39 movie Bradley took the stand sporting a fancy new fake guy courtesy of the time Hernandez shot him in the face an incident that feels intense enough to give the jury pause when considering Bradley's motivations for testifying against Hernandez in court he was a regular shammy Davis Jr.
Starting point is 01:08:56 Funny. Funny. Yeah. That's my Sammy Davis. Sure. How are the kitchen kitties. Heardah. Hey.
Starting point is 01:09:09 If he just starts tap dancing in the courtroom. I know that man. He's black. I mean, whether this is true or not, I'm pretty positive it is. But the motive was fucking terrible. Yeah. You know, are there people out there that would kill two men in cold blood over a spill drink? Yeah, you call them morons. Yeah, I'm one of them. Test me out. Find out what's up.
Starting point is 01:09:32 But that's not exactly a strong motive to most reasonable people and certainly enough to create reasonable doubt. The more plausible motive was one floated by Hernandez's defense team that Bradley had pulled the trigger, killing a brayu over a drug deal gone wrong. Violent drug dealer gets violent over drugs. Makes a lot more sense than man goes in a homicidal rage over spilled drink and hatred of Cape for needance. Well, it did one of those where it seems like a common Boston beginning of a fight is stepping on a shoe or spilling a drink. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Baez would say that Alexander Bradley is a three-legged pony and then he would start to pretend to ride a horse around the courtroom. You can't trust this man. You can't ride him home, he would say. It's all really happened. Oh, God. Well, it sounds like what Baez did with this case is a lot of the same tactics that he used get Casey Anthony off is that what Baez did with Casey Anthony is he was able to make the jury
Starting point is 01:10:32 think that they were smarter than everybody else. Like, don't let them tell you what common sense is. I'm going to tell you what common sense is. You know what common sense is. So does this really make sense? Just think about it for a second. Does this really make sense? And he really had a way of, because the people on the Casey Anthony trial, they're like,
Starting point is 01:10:55 the jurors some of them are like yeah you know I definitely think she did it but that Jose Baez he's like he just made a better he made a better argument it's like that's not the fucking that's not what we're doing here for yeah Jose Baid he just he confuses people he confuses jury he's very good at confusing jurors
Starting point is 01:11:14 I once had this shady ass lawyer tell me that law is only what the best lawyer can pretend it is of course and then you have good law and then it's also what judges uphold and then decide so April 6th closing statements were made the jury deliberated for six days yet again and on April 14th they came back with the results Cheyanna was the only one there for Aaron this time terry and DJ had enough of the public eye the results were much more favorable for Aaron Hernandez this time he was acquitted of all counts related to the murders and was only found guilty for a lawful possession of a firearm which got him an additional four to five years on top of his existing life sentence and for For the first time ever, he showed emotion, and he broke down in tears and relief in front of the whole courtroom.
Starting point is 01:12:00 My eyes are crying. My eyes are crying. And not only that, he already had Baez working on his appeal for the Oden Lloyd murder. Of course. Hernandez was noticeably happier in jail. He had something to be excited about, the first win in a long time. If he could get this appeal and win, he could become an NFL star again. But on April 17th,
Starting point is 01:12:24 Investigative journalist, Michelle McPhee, appeared on the Boston Sports Radio Show, the Kirk and Callahan show. Let's listen to the clip. Michelle knows the real motive for the murder of Odin Lloyd. And let's just say that Odin Lloyd caught Aaron Hernandez in a compromising position. Let's just say that Aaron Hernandez was a former titan before he was kicked off the page. Tighten off the field as well? Yes.
Starting point is 01:12:53 And then he became a wide receiver. Henry, is that really who you want to be in you want to be in league with those guys? I didn't. You noticed? You did. You started this entire series with that exact same joke. Someone had to be the problematic male.
Starting point is 01:13:09 And at that point, it fell to me. I think it still is you. They continue to be me, but you notice I haven't said it since. That's right. I just saved it for the opening because controversy drives the internet. That does. Go ahead. Say it again.
Starting point is 01:13:23 Ass. No, at this point, you know what's funny is that I was expecting more to point towards it, but we haven't really seen any of that. You know, I, you know, I'm going to get into it a little more in the second. I actually thought that was going to be a bigger deal in this story, to be frank. I thought it was, too, and as I researched everything, it didn't, it seemed like it was part of his life. Maybe. But. Or is he by or is he just kind of on the down low? Is it just one of those things that he just does it to do it because he doesn't understand?
Starting point is 01:13:50 Let's get into it a little bit more because I have my own theories about it. Yeah. But anyway, around 1 a.m. April 19th, 2017, Aaron Hernandez hung himself with a bedsheet over his window cut in his cell. He jammed his cell door shut with cardboard, opened his Bible to John 316, wrote John 316 on his forehead with red ink. Just those words. Just those words. Not the full verse. And then he used his own blood to write John 316 on his cell wall and drew a crude pyramid with the word Illuminati written on.
Starting point is 01:14:23 under it. I don't know what that's supposed to be. I'm not trying to laugh at this. I really am not going to do what I'd like to do during this moment. Hernandez left several notes next to his Bible. Stripped naked, made stigmata marks on his hands and feet,
Starting point is 01:14:40 covered the floor of his cell with shampoo, slid the sheet rope through the window slat that was only five feet off the ground so he had to do the actual strangulation himself. It was no easy task to complete, but just like everyone always said about him once he set
Starting point is 01:14:55 his mind to something he did it and he did it the hardest way possible and again he's a dead man but he's also a murderer so I will say that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard that's the dumbest way to commit suicide that I've ever fucking heard what's it the shampoo did he want the cops
Starting point is 01:15:13 slip so he would slip so he would slip you think it's because he would slip I think it's so that the cops would slip to come in looking at his body I think that he wrote Illuminati on the because he's mentally 14 years old. And I think he did that as a way to kind of be like, I was murdered. I was whacked.
Starting point is 01:15:31 I will whack by the Illuminati stupidity. I think he did it because that's the signal on the back of the dollar bill and says, in God, we trust. I think that's why I did it. I don't think he understood what Illuminati was. I was going to say that all that is as stupid as anything else. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, it's about to get slightly dumber.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Why did he do it? Was it the outing of his supposed sexuality? Was he depressed about possibly spending the rest of? rest of his life in prison? Was he just having an intense K-2-C-TE episode? Or was it another thing called abatement? In Massachusetts, at the time, there was a legal procedure called abatement. It basically means that if a defendant died while the repeal of a conviction was pending, the conviction would be wiped out. Now cleared of double murder, and in the middle of an appeal in the Odin-Loyd case, Hernandez might have factored this
Starting point is 01:16:22 into his decision to commit suicide. His note included a passage written directly to his fiancé that ends with the phrase you're rich, in all caps and underlined. Well, let me correct that. It ends with a quote from a Savage Garden song as all good suicide note show. The song is called I knew I loved you
Starting point is 01:16:44 and the quote was, Tell my story fully, but never think anything else. besides, I love you. Well, Aaron, I'm working on it. Not even truly, madly deeply. No, like, that's the Savage Garden song.
Starting point is 01:17:00 I could see someone telling him about abatement and him maybe in an impulse-driven because I weirdly think... I think it's all connected. I think it's all connected. I think that he didn't, obviously,
Starting point is 01:17:17 I don't know. Would it even affect him somebody saying? saying something about him being gay. Because actually part of my mind of him, I think he kind of think like... In jail? Yeah, yeah. But in jail, they do a lot of stuff. Yeah, in the dark.
Starting point is 01:17:30 But they do it. But they have like, it's not all just like men have relationships in jail. They work out. But not him. Yeah. And not outside of jail. Because that's the thing. The whole thing is that Aaron Hernandez, his relationships were outside of jail. If you're in jail,
Starting point is 01:17:46 that's a different thing altogether. Oh, yeah. If you continue that outside of jail, then, you know, punk. Yeah. No, I know, but he's not getting out of jail. Not anymore. Nope. Six days after Hernandez's death, his attorneys filed a legal motion to vacate the Lloyd conviction. If successful, this would have tons of ramifications.
Starting point is 01:18:05 Most notably that Lloyd's family couldn't pursue a civil claim and that Hernandez's estate might be entitled to the $40 million contract the Patriots had voided because of the whole murder kerfuffle. Yeah, that was the thing. The murder stuff really put a damper on a lot. lot of stuff. In May of 2017, a judge granted the motion and erased the conviction clearing the way for Hernandez's estate to pursue the NFL contract money. The following year, however, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court reversed the ruling and reinstated the conviction saying the concept of abatement was outdated. They ruled that abatements would no longer apply moving forward. Yeah, because it's really stupid to create like this thing of like, as long as you kill yourself before you're fucking guilty, it doesn't count. Like that makes no sense. sense. It was a law from like the 1800s of the set. Like it was there was a reason for it back then
Starting point is 01:18:55 that no longer applied. Yeah, you like it's one of those things that you like, you forget to change. Yeah. So after all the dust had settled on the violent crime spree of Aaron Hernandez, we finally had a happy ending. The Patriots had made $40 million. All as well that ends well. Because they needed it.
Starting point is 01:19:11 Yes. They really needed that extra 40 mil. After his death, the tabloids had a field day with the outing of Aaron Hernandez. I I mean, it's a hell of a juicy story. Shit, I decided to tell a version of it to you folks right now. Kyle Kennedy, his former cellmate, told Aaron Hernandez's jail lover stories to anyone who would listen. His high school teammate, Dennis Sanssucey, told of his escapades and the Netflix doc,
Starting point is 01:19:37 and Ryan Murphy's show told the tale of his forbidden love with an old trainer from the NFL Combine Prep. Now, does that come from anything, or is that just Ryan Murphy jerking off? It's just Ryan Murphy jerking off. I think it is. Because that's the only place I saw it was in Ryan Murphy's show. Same. I read books. I read,
Starting point is 01:19:55 you know, articles. All I saw was these kind of snippets of people talking about it. And weirdly, the jail lover stuff is actually, I actually kind of even put that into a whole thing of he got so comfortable in jail. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:09 And then that stuff is so really in jail. It's pretty run of the mill. Like, guys work stuff out all the time. Yeah. But there's. is also Dennis, the high school buddy. That's something else. Yeah, that's something else. Everybody sucks dick.
Starting point is 01:20:27 Everybody's sucking dick. Having a good time. Come on his high school. Whether any of it's true is neither here nor there at this point. Was he gay? Was he bisexual? Truth is we'll never really know for sure because the only person that could tell us, Aaron, is dead.
Starting point is 01:20:44 I'm more of a tri-sexual. Try anything worse. So clever, Aaron. come up with that yourself? Yeah. I don't really thought about it. I was like, well, try. Rob's and bye.
Starting point is 01:20:55 You try him and do and so. That's me. I do so. Do I think it's possible he was gay? Of course I do. You know, do I think it matters? No. Not as much as his stage three
Starting point is 01:21:06 CTE drug use and abusive upbringing. That's for goddamn sure. Me thinks the CTE and the PCP were a little bit more. The DOA. The D-O-A. Yeah. And then him being gay.
Starting point is 01:21:20 I think that being gay might have been the only nice thing about him. Yeah. I mean, really was the lifelong culture of permissiveness. Yeah. Like him constantly getting away with everything. And smashing his face in other people's faces. Other people's faces for fucking, for the fun and profit.
Starting point is 01:21:35 I mean, it seems to be, like, to me, like, I would probably put Aaron Hernandez more in the bisexual realm. Yeah. And I think, but I do think that anytime he had feelings for a man, it freaked him the fuck out and I think he didn't like it but I love you but he's definitely trying to hook up with the babysitter you know there's plenty of times
Starting point is 01:21:55 he cheated on his wife a bunch with women he got caught you know guys do that all the time to show other people they're straight like who his wife yeah literally to show his wife he's straight he's cheated on her with women so that because there's
Starting point is 01:22:11 I mean not as well they weren't married you think about how gay you got to be to be married and gay Like, that's the gayest shit in the world Yeah Well, I think that he was He's already gay enough to be married to a woman Yeah, yeah, yeah
Starting point is 01:22:24 But I do that Yeah, I think it's most likely That he was bisexual But I really don't think That him being closeted Was what led to any of this No I don't think it had any bearing
Starting point is 01:22:36 I'm sure it may be the suicide It probably increased the pressure And it yeah And it may have definitely had Something to do with the suicide But I don't think it had anything to do with his crimes. Especially Odin Lloyd.
Starting point is 01:22:49 Yeah, especially Odomo. Yeah. Before we go, though, we need to talk about one of the most bizarre subplots of the Aaron Hernandez story that has to be the additional murders committed by members of his high school football team. This is insane. Yeah. So Bristol, Connecticut has a
Starting point is 01:23:06 population just north of 60,000 people. Big for a town, small for a city. It's known primarily as the home of ESPN. Admittedly, a strange, location for media conglomerate owned by Disney. You got to stretch a bit for Bristol's second claim to fame. They're known as Mum City, because they were once the leader in Chrysanthium production. Chrysanthemum.
Starting point is 01:23:31 Chrysanthemum. I think we both just say it differently. Chrysanthemum. No, that is a flower. It's a flower. The flower called a chrysanthemum. Chrysanthemum. Chrysanthemum.
Starting point is 01:23:40 Chrysanthemum. Well, they produce it. And although their glory days in the chrysanthemum game, may it be behind them. They still host an annual Bristol Mum Festival at the end of September. Great. By the time you hear this, tickets might already be sold out, but it's never too late to start planning for the 2026 festival season. I better start getting the tickets to the Mum Festival. Nothing I love better than...
Starting point is 01:24:04 Do you know where you got the tickets? Mom's the word. Mom's the word, buddy, stop! Yes! Anyway, other than those two things, I guess they're most known for their high school football players. going on to kill people. Yes. Bristol Central High School
Starting point is 01:24:20 is one of three high schools in the city. Its motto is, Be creative, be conscientious, be collaborative, be committed. Although the last one should probably be... Be committing. Murders.
Starting point is 01:24:32 Funny! Because that's what three players from the 2006 Rams roster did. Alex Ring. By the way, all three of these guys in the team photo are standing directly
Starting point is 01:24:46 next to each other. Yeah, they're all like buddies, right? Yeah, Aaron Hernandez, Alex Ring and this other guy, Nick Brutcher. Yeah, we're all standing. It's a haunting photo. Alex Ring married his high school sweetheart, and they had three kids. After school, he joined the National Guard. Seemed like a pretty great life. But in 2014, things clearly weren't going well for the Ring family. On May 29th, Alex purchased a 12-gauge shotgun from Dick Sporting Goods. The next day, his wife, Kyla, filed for divorce. Remember, there's no waiting period when purchasing a shotgun or rifle, just handguns. Yeah, because, be honest, you can't kill anybody with a shotgun or a rifle.
Starting point is 01:25:22 You're right. Not humans. No, just deer. Just deer. And big pigs. Yeah, and birds. The day after that, Kyla called the Bristol police about a domestic disturbance and told officers she didn't feel safe.
Starting point is 01:25:35 Later that night, a Connecticut National Guard mental health official contacted local police twice to express concern about Alex's missing therapy and his, quote, increasing erratic behavior. On June 4th, police responded to a call and found both Alex and Kyla dead from gunshot wounds to the head. Alex had committed a murder suicide leaving his three young children behind. In 2022... At least he didn't kill the kids.
Starting point is 01:26:02 Yeah, you're right, Henry. You know what? Honestly, I thought the same thing. In 2022, Nick Brutcher became the latest brist. Central Football player to go off the deep end. In October that year, perhaps feeling withdrawals from dizzying highs of the Cresanthium
Starting point is 01:26:22 Festival. Two weeks... It's a goddamn Crescentralia. I don't give a shit. About the flower, I just want to make fun of it. Bercher committed a particularly heinous crime. Around 10 p.m. that night, Nick made a 911 call and told the dispatcher that he'd gotten into
Starting point is 01:26:40 an argument with his brother Nathan. He said Nathan was being aggressive, and he needed assistance. The story was completely fabricated, however, it was a ruse to get the police to his residence, where he was hiding in the bushes and waiting to ambush the officers. I think all these guys
Starting point is 01:26:56 should be focusing on their chrysanthemum parade float. I don't know what's going on here. I really think there's a lot of things they can be working on. Brutcher fired almost a hundred total shots split between an AR-15 and then handgun. In the process, he killed two police
Starting point is 01:27:12 officers and wounded a third. He also, wounded his brother Nathan, who happened to be in the doorway when the police arrived. The only surviving officer, Alex Ocrato, was able to limp back to his car despite being shot in a leg. He took cover behind the vehicle before emerging to kill Nick with a single shot. At night. Yes. He was good at it. An investigation would later produce a step-by-step timeline of events showing that it started as a night out for Nathan and Nick, but after a bar fight, a ticket for a suspended license and a truck being towed. they ended up back home where Nick carried out his plan.
Starting point is 01:27:47 Perhaps the least surprising detail of the horrific night is that it all started at a stand-up comedy, open mic. Oh, yeah. As someone who's done a lot of these bar mics in his life, let me say this is somehow the best-case scenario. God, an open-mike bar night in Bristol, Connecticut. Oh, God. God, that's got to be...
Starting point is 01:28:08 I'm sorry, Bristol, but I don't think you're funny. No, sorry, guys. You guys ever notice this ESPN thing is like everywhere? It's like ESPN. Like what does it stand for? Chrysanthemes. Christanthiums.
Starting point is 01:28:28 The only thing Brutcher has in common with Hernandez other than football in the murders, which frankly is enough, is the fact that he also appeared to be closeted gay man. Cell phone records show that before his death, he downloaded and deleted Grindr several times perhaps indicating an internal struggle over the truth he was scared to share. There's an HBO Max documentary that details these cases,
Starting point is 01:28:52 interviews old teammates, and attempts to find some connective tissue. They talk about CTE, locker room culture, toxic masculinity, and sure, all of those things can be contributing factors in any or all of these cases. Of course. But it's worth noting that those things existed in pretty much every high school football program in the country back in the early 2000s. if the formula is high pressure high school football plus head injuries plus not being allowed to be gay equals murder then the entire populations of Texas and Florida would have been wiped out years ago in reality this is probably just a sad coincidence and a fascinating footnote to the Aaron Hernandez story it's not a good one though it's really it's just fascinating the fact that they were all um maybe just being a bully shitheads I mean it's there is I think maybe just something about
Starting point is 01:29:43 Bristol, Connecticut. Maybe. We haven't heard about it since. I mean, because when I watch the, when I watch footage of Aaron Hernandez playing football in high school, the way he uses his head all the time. That shit's taught.
Starting point is 01:29:57 You know, like that, that is absolutely, that is a taught move. And I think a lot of the players at Bristol were taught to use their heads. Yeah. And I think that may have given quite a few of them CTE. Oh yeah. And it made them violent. Not just that.
Starting point is 01:30:13 You start at eight in Pop Warner. Oh, yeah. In Bristol, Connecticut is, it's kind of an outlier because, you know, Connecticut's not known for its football, you know, not usually. And I think they might go a little harder than other places go, you know. And I, yeah, I don't really know what it is because it's, because also, like, Aaron's brother DJ also had, like, kind of a fucked up prologue. Yeah. Or epilogue? Yeah, no, he got mad about everything that happened with Aaron Hernandez.
Starting point is 01:30:43 the way ESPN covered it. So he, like, threw a brick at the ESPN office saying, like, you're responsible for all this shit. And then acting like a high school kid. But then he also got in trouble, like, scoping out Yukon for a possible spree shooting. And he's currently on house arrest. Hey, you know, at least we know where he is. Yeah. Just don't go near that house.
Starting point is 01:31:03 No. But there's just there. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is early 2000s football culture in this place. Like, because all these, because, you know, a DJ was just a couple years old. than Aaron, what, like two years older. Yeah. You know, there's something about it.
Starting point is 01:31:16 Something about this class. It's not like his dad was fucking sane either. No. No, he wasn't. It's like a Stephen King story where the whole football team gets cursed. This movie, him actually, sounds very interesting. None of this is all, it's all very coincidence. So after all this, I'm really trying to figure out where I am personally with football.
Starting point is 01:31:37 Truth is, I haven't watched the Miami Dolphins play in two years. And not only because they're awful, I'm. used to that. I'm used to them being bad at football, but unpacking what football means to me in therapy these last couple of years, I've frankly fallen out of love. Besides the personal trauma, it's caused me through childhood abuse of Pop Warner football from being so big as an eight-year-old that I had to play with 12-year-olds. I was the only white kid on the team, and four years younger than everyone else, my teammates would regularly beat the shit out of me until I earned their respect by fist-fighting back, and then they gave me a trophy for Most Improved, you know? And I don't
Starting point is 01:32:12 blame them, to be honest with you. I was like the first white kid they were allowed to beat up. You know, beat me up. And also, you were getting used to being beat up. Yes. That was your job. Absolutely. My dad fucking loved it, to be honest with you. Of course you did. I love it just hearing about it. I'm haunted
Starting point is 01:32:28 by it. I know. I just love to hear about it. I love hearing boys getting all in up on each other, man. I'm haunted by such traumas, like having to take laxatives and shit myself or running in a trash bag to make weight, and then my father forcing me to walk home because I was covered in shit.
Starting point is 01:32:45 I remember once an older kid reached his hand into my face mask and clawed my eyes. After I was clear to go back in the game, I was filled with rage. I slammed my helmet into his knee for revenge, sending him to the hospital in the middle of the game. Not only was I not reprimanded for that game, I was also given the game ball. The incident that made me never want to play again was sophomore year in high school. I remember two of my teammates got into a fight and one of them took his helmet off and started swinging it as a weapon, and coach had a circle around them to let them fight. Even at 15, I knew how dangerous this was and took it upon myself to break up the fight.
Starting point is 01:33:22 I was reprimanded by my coaches, and I yelled back at them. They tried to punish me by not moving me up to varsity at the end of the year, but I was too good, and the varsity coaches needed me, so I moved up anyway. That's how it works. That was my last season. I was done after that. My God, I mean, your program sounds so much more intense than my. It was very intense.
Starting point is 01:33:43 Yeah, because this type of shit, I'll, I will say this about go coach forehand. You wouldn't have put up with that bullshit on our field. He definitely wouldn't. But you had kind of had a, like that school was one of those where it did take football really seriously. We did. Yeah, we were good. I mean, like, first year we were horrible, but the second year we were very good. But I mean, but we were also at two entirely different levels because you're playing in Florida.
Starting point is 01:34:07 I have like 3,000 kids in my school. Yeah. I had 300 people in my town. You know, it's six-man, and I played six-man football, you know, which is, you know, six guys on each side instead of 11. Yeah. It's for smaller schools. We had 60 guys on my squad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:21 And we had 55 people in our entire high school. Yeah. You know, and so it's, for us, it's entertainment for the town, you know, and it's something that gives the, it's there for the town specifically, and that's it. There's not really much else. Like, none of the six-man, like, there was one dude that I think, like, played a couple of downs of college football that we played against. But otherwise, like, six-man guys, they ain't making it. No. They ain't even making it to college.
Starting point is 01:34:50 They don't even know how to play the same game, really. They really don't. It's an entirely different way of playing the game. But it's not, but that's the thing. There's not, the stakes aren't as high. In your school, did you guys ever do the thing? There was this game that they played at my school called Everybody Rapes Henry? Have you played that game?
Starting point is 01:35:05 Have you guys played that game? No, we didn't play. I played it, but I wasn't Henry. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I was always Henry. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:14 There was a game called Break Marcus's Bones, and they were really good at that. Like, like, three guys really won Break Marcus's Bones. Yeah, I bet. In different years. That's amazing. Well, now, as a fully aware, adult man, when I look at my favorite team. Hey, mostly aware. Mostly aware.
Starting point is 01:35:35 Adult man. I look at my favorite team, the Miami Dolphins and who they are and I'm disgusted with them and the dude I used to be. I used to let them ruin my week, getting upset, screaming like a maniac as if I had anything to do with the game. You know, like, and after a loss, I wouldn't talk to the people I love and I would drink my sorrows away. For what reason? Because my favorite TV show didn't go the way I liked it. Today, the Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tungovioloa has had so many concussions that doctors think he should retire, but he keeps playing because of pride. I watched him almost die in Cincinnati a couple years ago.
Starting point is 01:36:17 The star receiver, Tyreek Hill, has multiple domestic abuse incidents, including hitting his pregnant wife with little to no repercussions, all while their owner, Stephen Ross, throws $50,000 a plate fundraising dinners for Trump, while Tua plays crutch with his grandchildren. I thought to myself, what the fuck am I rooting for? So now I got my Sundays back for one-third of the year, and my general mental health has improved greatly. Not to mention, check this out. Since 2014, the nation's inflation has risen 31%, but going to see the Miami Dolphins price has raised 103%. The poor Detroit Lions fans have dealt with a 201% increase in ticket sales and in concessions. And we all know how rich the citizens of Detroit are. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:04 Oh, yeah. They're sitting on their goal. I know it's happening on there. Going to an NFL game has turned into something reserved only for the elite. Oh, shit, it's been like that for years. Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, we couldn't afford to go to Dallas Cowboys games in the 90s. There used to be a thing for Dolphins games that, like, I think it was because no one was going.
Starting point is 01:37:28 But you could go for like $5 if you bought the tickets at Wind Dixie. that shit don't exist anymore. No. They had a section called the fun zone and that's where the most fights were. That's where it's called fun.
Starting point is 01:37:38 It's fun. We have fun. We brought our own fun. Right now, if you want to watch football, it's $378 just to watch the shit on YouTube. It is.
Starting point is 01:37:46 It's fucked. It's wild. For a season pass. The NFL season ticket or whatever it's called. I was looking at getting it because I wanted to actually fill my Sundays with something.
Starting point is 01:37:56 And I don't know if I was going to watch football, but I was like, this is insane. It's insane. Not just that. that people deserve to keep politics and football separate, but we all know that's not the case. Oh, they put it in! They're doing it! Between blatant military propaganda going on as long as I can remember, along with, on September 14th,
Starting point is 01:38:15 five NFL teams held moments of silence for the death of Charlie Kirk. This is the same league that regularly silences black men when they make statements, such as ruining the career of Colin Kaepernick for silently protesting by kneeling to advocate for police reform, to finding players up to $65,000 for touchdown dances according to their own website. It seems absurd. You're right. So I might watch a game here and there, but as far as breaking the bank to support a league and team and tradition that uses up their players like their pawns on a chessboard, honestly, makes me nauseous. I got better things to do than get hammered and yell at a television in my own home like Yosemite Sam.
Starting point is 01:38:56 so this Sunday I'll see you fuckers at the farmer's market, movie theater or park making my marriage the best it could possibly be. Take her someplace nicer. Take her someplace else. No, this is great series, Eddie. This is fantastic. And interestingly, the
Starting point is 01:39:13 only football that I was watching for the last few years was the Texas Tech Red Raiders, and our mascot, Raider Red, looks a lot like Yosemite Sam. Oh! Oh, yeah, good. Ruffing, graffing, ruffing,
Starting point is 01:39:26 You know who you should watch more of? Basketball. Yeah. Yeah, because nothing, there's nothing bad with that. No, man, no, but they don't get, it's not like this. They allow them to protest, right? They get more, they have more access to it. They do a little bit more social things.
Starting point is 01:39:41 It's a fun game. As well, it's a great alternative. Baseball playoffs are about to start. Baseball's boring. Start in the fourth inning. It gets a lot easier to take. Baseball is the one place that I did. Baseball, to me, is the one sport that's better at.
Starting point is 01:39:56 only sport for me that's better at the park. Oh yeah, it's way better at the park. Everything else is better on television. I find basketball extraordinarily dull. I love it. I like basketball. Yeah. But they've made it. Now that it's all three points it's not as fun. Yeah. Well, it's, you know what it is partly for me as well? Squeaking.
Starting point is 01:40:12 Oh, yeah. I can't take the squeaking. But if you go to a pro basketball game, they have just have like straight up DJs now, like playing during the... It's the blast. It's awesome. I'll turn it. That's how we went to fucking the staple center or the fucking blast. Please, crypto.com arena. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:40:27 Thank you for break to me. Good work, Eddie. Yeah, great job, this is fucking great series. I want to thank Grant, who helped me with the last episode, Grant Gordon, and Pat Barker, a roast writer extraordinaire who helped me with today's script. That's amazing, really good fucking work. And we are still operating. No matter what we've said, no matter what we've done.
Starting point is 01:40:46 We continue forward and we will still. Just like a drunk doctor who won't leave the hospital. We are just going to barrel forward, just like Aaron. Hernandez. We're going to go head up, just out into this new realm. And you can help us on patreon.com slash last podcast and left. Help
Starting point is 01:41:04 us get cultural CTE without our approach to content making. Yeah, because coming up next, coming up this next week, we really, we have a series that like I said, we've been working on it for months upon months upon
Starting point is 01:41:20 months. Not even a joke. It's almost a year. So this is going to be an Absolutely massive series. I don't think anyone's going to be able to call what it is either. No, and it's an absolutely massive series, and it starts a new running series that we will be returning to here on Last Podcast Network. So this is, I mean, it's a big fucking deal. We've got a lot of stuff. So I think we can, I think we can at least tease the name of this series.
Starting point is 01:41:45 The Mount Rushmore of Evil. Yeah. We've got four chosen. And we're going to be going through them one by one. They're all massive stories And some of them Quite relevant Including the one that we're about to get into
Starting point is 01:42:01 Extremely Extremely relevant So we are We're really really excited It's going to be both funny And my bum me out It's pretty funny So you're also going to hear
Starting point is 01:42:11 You're going to hear some of the worst shit That you've ever heard On this show on the series Cool We're going to make it light Yeah You're going to love it No
Starting point is 01:42:20 All right fuckers go look at it on all our socials that LP on the left. Oh, I have a movie that I'm working on. Yes. Go to UFO. Dot movie. Give me money. It's a Kickstarter for my new movie, unbelievably friendly organisms. They don't want me to make this movie. So I need to make it
Starting point is 01:42:36 with my own goddamn hands. They? Come on there. They? Yeah, man. They. My wife. My wife and family. No, you come out and see this. Marcus has a part in it. He has no choice. Eddie's got a part in it. Everybody else I also don't have a choice.
Starting point is 01:42:51 You know a choice. And then, wow, yeah, you come join me, Amber Nash and Jenna Hayes. But we're going to have a big old bunch of other people that we're going to be announcing soon as well. I got a cool thing coming up, too. I wanted to tell people about. On October 12th, I just booked this shit. We're doing, on the 11th, we're doing Milwaukee. On the 12th, I'm taking my big ass to Madison.
Starting point is 01:43:10 I'm going to be a comedy on state with Logan Metz, the piano player from Lucas Nelson and the Promise of the Real. Oh, it's awesome. He's got his own album coming out. So he's going to open with a bunch of those fucking songs. and then I'm going to come out and do my thing for an hour. Y'all come out and see us over at Comedy on State. That's October 12th in Madison, Wisconsin. It's awesome.
Starting point is 01:43:29 Oh, yeah. Also, we're on tour. We're going to, obviously, we're going to be in Milwaukee on October 11th, but then Oakland on October 25th. And I don't know where we're going to be on 29th yet. Did we decide? Did we fix that? I believe that's still in the works.
Starting point is 01:43:44 But we are fixing it somewhere close. Somewhere close. It's just not yet done. It's not yet final. And then on December 12th and 13th, we're going to be in Portland, Oregon. And please, we got some new shows for 2026 about to be announced. Stay tuned. I can't wait to fucking keep this train going.
Starting point is 01:44:02 We're going to have a lot of fun. Can't wait. You fuck her. See you guys in God damn. All the places in these. Healthy. Again. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:44:13 Who do I like? Who do I like? Who do I like? Hail Pat Barker. Thanks for your help, buddy. Really good work. Yeah. Thank you.

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