Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 641: Heinrich Himmler Part V - Einsatzgruppen Day

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

Heinrich Himmler’s death squads take center stage as the boys trace the rise of the Einsatzgruppen and the birth of industrialized murder on the Eastern Front. It’s grim history time - so... Merry... Einsatzgruppen Day, everybody. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 there's no place to escape to this is the last hot task on the left so you don't want to play that's when the cannibalism started so today's episode of today's episode you don't want me to play every member of the ianxas because i had a couple of guys locked and loaded you did yeah yeah There was the guy that went like Over there, there's more over there And there was the guy that The Mexican one
Starting point is 00:00:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that would have been great, yeah Yeah, yeah Did you have like a, you have a Borat one? Yeah, well, he's different He's the funny victim Uh-huh, yeah, he's the funny guy I forget, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And then you get the mumble-mouth guy
Starting point is 00:00:49 You know, that guy? Yeah, yeah, that guy They always have that guy, but I'm not doing that. Do you not? I thought not. Not C. Ooh. Welcome to the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:01:02 My name is Marcus Perks. I'm here with the oddly reserved, Henry Zabrowski. Historically accurate, Henry Zabowski. Today is going to be a difficult episode. There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of horror in today's episode. This is the worst episode of the Heinrich Kempler series. But I want to say there is a silver lining to all of the horrible things that you're about to hear.
Starting point is 00:01:24 Let's hear it. What is the silver lining, Henry? Yeah. We also have Ed Larson with this as well. Yeah, I've been watching this. fucking movies. What's the silver lining? Is that this is a big day for Marcus.
Starting point is 00:01:35 Oh, yes. And he's been wanting to tell this story for a long time since the beginning of last podcast on the left. It is. You know, as a little boy growing up in Texas, like, you hope this day is going to come, but you just never know. Like, you don't know until it's actually here, until it actually happens. And it's here.
Starting point is 00:01:52 It's here. So today, we want to say happy Eintzun's Groupin Day to Marcus Parks. And we just want to, first of all, let's give them some gifts right up top. Yeah, we brought gifts for you for whenever it gets too hard today, because I know how much this has been on you.
Starting point is 00:02:07 No, no, this has been an extraordinarily difficult week, yeah. So here's the first one I got. It's very cute. It's a pin of a pigeon, and it says, I poop on fascist. See? That's wonderful, and especially because Heinrich Kamler famously had the pigeon's chest.
Starting point is 00:02:23 There you go. Thank you. That's very sweet, Eddie. And I bought you this. Pickax. Yeah, it's a whisper your garden. When it gets too rough, you know, and you've got to break up the rocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, this is extraordinarily useful. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Do you have something like that? Not in handheld. Not like one that I can use with one. I have a pickax that I use with both hands, but not one with one hand. Because you get excited that you pull it back too fast right in the eyeball. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pretty good.
Starting point is 00:02:52 So we'll send the tone. We're going to set it positive right up top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you're going to get too stressful, you just grab the piss up. pickax and a pissax and you just hold it and you feel good about yourself. You know, I might just hold on to it. It's really nice. You know, watch up for the
Starting point is 00:03:07 camera. You know, I like to fiddle with things. No, I know. I do that. Well, I might have made a mistake. What do you see? What you got coming later, man. You got some, it's very exciting day. Yeah, we'll see. I was doing a little research myself this week. I watched a film unfinished. Very funny. And then...
Starting point is 00:03:23 It's kind of crazy when they do that whole like break dance, rap, battle. Yeah, it seemed not necessary for the propaganda, but ahead of its time. And then I also watched Triumph of the Will, which is a Hitler's movie, which he's a producer.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Oh, yeah, I know. It's why he has a higher IMDB rating than me. Have you seen it? Triumph of the Will? Yeah. No, mostly I watched it up. There was like a jerk-off booth he used to go to, so I've only seen it in sections. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't have enough quarters to finish it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've watched it, and
Starting point is 00:03:54 I rented it from the rental store. Wow. And I was, as soon as rent sales like oh fuck that's on my file huh yep just wait for the you may likes that are coming in your future but yeah no um it's really if you haven't seen triumph of the will let me save you some time it's like 80% waving
Starting point is 00:04:14 yeah it's just them waving at each other the first half hour is just hiles yeah and you know Hitler very feminine hile well that's the thing he does the backwards he's receiving He's the bottom
Starting point is 00:04:30 He is to be receiving high-olds He really does it He's very flippant with his hiles I would expect him to be stricter He works his shoulder He's flippant with it Because he had to do so many of them Imagine every single person
Starting point is 00:04:43 You come across all day long You have to do it again It's like uh-uh-uh 200,000 aisles Yeah This is a lot of people there Absolutely but that's the Malcolm Gladwell Expertise that he had at it
Starting point is 00:04:54 Yeah I can't wait for my next viewing so when we last left Heinrich Himmler the Nazis had expanded their borders eastward with the annexations of Austria and Czechoslovakia and because the great nations of Europe were doing anything and everything to avoid a repeat of the great war Hitler had managed to nab both countries
Starting point is 00:05:15 without resorting to open warfare of course but Hitler also wanted to go to war he was very disappointed when England gave Czechoslovakia over he wanted to go to war Yeah, because he was, this is the idea of I'm asking to be punched in the face. But while England and France had basically given Hitler whatever he wanted in order to ostensibly avoid bloodshed, they could not have imagined the pure hell that Heinrich Himmler was about to unleash upon Eastern Europe,
Starting point is 00:05:43 all in the name of making so-called living space for his fictional Aryan brethren. Now, as I mentioned last episode, Austria believed that they would become an equal part of the Reich after they were annexed. but the Austrians very quickly fell under the boot of the Nazis, just like everyone who ever threw in their lot with Hitler. See, since Adolf Hitler's economic policies were so incredibly nonsensical, Germany had to steal what they needed to fund and fuel the coming war, and Austria's food resources were rich. But in order to take what they needed,
Starting point is 00:06:15 Germany had to use Heinrich Himmler's SS to take control of Austria's government. I know it's not true, but why do I just view all Austrian food as, like, big, like cream-filled pastries and thick sausages. There's lots of struddles and koodles and noodles. Right. They're heavy meals, yeah. Whatever the master
Starting point is 00:06:36 delegator, Hamler gave the job of bringing Austria under total German control to his second in command, Reinhardt Heidrich, who was just as evil as Himmler himself. Using men from the Gestapo, Hyderick formed a new kind of unit that would operate within newly annexed
Starting point is 00:06:52 countries to secure government buildings and documents, grill senior civil servants for information, and arrest communists. Now, in English, the name of Hydrick's new unit loosely translated to action group. Hey, I'm part of the action group. It is cute.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Hey, look at me, I'm part of the action group. I jump, I skip, all sorts of actions. Oh, what am I supposed to do? Oh, no. That's hard to do on a skateboard. But as the Nazis continued their conquest of Europe and marched further east,
Starting point is 00:07:26 Hydrick's so-called action group would evolve to become one of Himmler's most effective tools for carrying out his long-held plans surrounding Lieben's realm and the final solution. As a result, the action group would... Ha! Sorry. As a result, the action group would bear the weight
Starting point is 00:07:45 of being the most brutal, cruel, and murderous gang of men to ever walk the earth. History, of course, would remember them back. by their German name. They called them the Einzatzgruppen. Yay! Back,
Starting point is 00:08:02 Jack, do it again. Why does it feel like that? We're going to feel like, all right, now we're settling to the easy, groovy tunes of the
Starting point is 00:08:10 Einstein's grouping. I'd say, Steely Dan really would have helped him out a lot. Well, you know, who would help him a lot. Who?
Starting point is 00:08:17 Old Hermler. We'll get there. We'll get there. God, I'm waiting, guys. I am waiting for I don't know when it can be useful in this episode, but I need her. Now, since the original purpose of the Einzatz group and was to act beyond Germany's borders,
Starting point is 00:08:34 they were somewhat put on ice after Austria and Czechoslovakia came under full Nazi control. They were, after all, an action group. And the action to come for the Nazis lay in the inevitable invasion of Poland and the enactment of the final solution. But before the Nazis could begin exterminating every Jewish person on earth, Heinrich Himmler had to answer the so-called Jewish question within the borders of Germany itself, and as the marched war got ever closer, attacks on Germany's Jewish population only got worse. Now, the pogroms on Germany's Jews came in fits and starts, so as to not upset the middle-class Germans too much.
Starting point is 00:09:11 But Himmler's quest to rid Germany of its Jewish population was not without its practical considerations. Remember, fascists are essentially criminal gangs, mobs even, And starting in 1938, Heinrich Kimler began taking wealthy Jews hostage so the SS could acquire their property in riches, partly to fund the upcoming war with the rest of Europe, and partly to make it look like the Nazis knew what they were doing economically. You just can't fuck with doctors like that. You know, you need doctors. Well, that was actually one of the things that enabled the Nazis to gain more power
Starting point is 00:09:47 because the Jewish doctors and the Jewish lawyers were very, very good. So when the Jewish doctors and lawyers got taken off the board, all the German lawyers and doctors were raised up and got all of their clients. Well, we kind of talked about this last time. It's like a mediocrity machine. Like the whole thing is, that's like what the brain drain is, right? Now, there would be public outcries in response to actions like the ransoming of Germany's Jews. But the Nazis had a very keen eye for just how much the public could take.
Starting point is 00:10:18 If the heat got too high, the Nazis would strategically. paused their attacks on Jews until the public lost interest. Then, once people moved on from the plight of the Jews, the Nazis would restart the whole process, and doing this over and over again, gradually got the people of Germany used to the idea of pogroms.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Eventually, it almost became routine. Like, ah, geez, here's another pogrom. Close the fucking window. It did get very loud. Just wait for it to pass and be fine. I don't know the word pogram. Okay. This is a very funny thing because Marcus and I, not pogroms,
Starting point is 00:10:51 But it's a very funny concept because Marcus and I had this very conversation this morning because I was in the bath watching my Nazi documentaries. As you do. Literally had to go dry off the bubbles from my hands. I need those punches. I literally had to go and type in, Watch is pogrom into like, and then I'm on YouTube just watching like clips of what is a pogrom mixed with Hank the Angry Dwarf.
Starting point is 00:11:18 I almost texted you. You be like, you misspelled program a lot. You idiot You fucking idiot It's very simple A pogrom is a concentrated attack On a Jewish population Made by a group of people
Starting point is 00:11:33 It's one of those things where concentrated attacks on Jews Became so normal and happened so often That they needed to create a word for it It's a word that shouldn't exist Yes, exactly Yes, exactly Like a genocide is made up of pogroms Like many pogroms make up a genocide.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Yeah. And they were also the people who found in America. Thanksgiving's coming up. Hit it with the pickets. That's why I got you that weapon. But just as we saw recently with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the Nazis were given an excuse to openly wage war on the Jewish population of Germany when a single act of violence was perpetrated by a Jew who was upset about what the Nazis were doing. On November 7, 1938, a 17-year-old German Jewish refugee who'd been banished to France walked into the German embassy in Paris with the intent of murdering the German ambassador.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Instead, the refugee shot and killed a minor German diplomat. He was immediately captured, but the Nazis found a note in the refugees' pocket saying that he'd committed the murder as an act of protest against Germany's treatment of its Jews. Now, while the refugees' intentions were, I mean, I guess, good, the act of violence was a lot of he perpetrated did absolutely nothing to help him or the Jews in Germany. You're dealing with an army and a legion of serial
Starting point is 00:12:58 killers. Yeah. In fact, it gave the Nazis the perfect excuse to say, look, the Jews are dangerous. They are coming to kill us all. And something must finally be done. As a result, the Nazis organized their first state
Starting point is 00:13:14 sponsored program within just two days of the diplomat's murder. This brutal night in which the gloves were finally taken off came to be known as Crystal Knocked, or the night of the broken glass. Some of their names are great. Yeah, you know?
Starting point is 00:13:30 Some of that, but, like, action group is fucking stupid. But again, there's something in the childishness of it that makes it extra scary. Like, proud boy. Yeah. Well, I think... They're not scary. They're not... Don't even try to compare the proud boys to the action group. They would fucking
Starting point is 00:13:46 draw and quarter them. Those proud boys wish they were the action group. The boys were allowed to be fat. Yeah. I actually, I think Crystal Knotch came from the Jews. I don't think it was a Nazi creation. I think it was, it came from, you know, the people who suffered. Great writers.
Starting point is 00:14:02 And honestly, you would absolutely go on to inspire Debbie Harry with her first rap classic. We all know that is one of the biggest missteps of World War II. When one single night of horror, some 7,500 Jewish shops were destroyed and destroyed. set on fire, along with hundreds of synagogues and Jewish homes, while dozens of Jews were shot dead while trying to escape the burning buildings. It was called Kristallnacht because all of the glass had been broken in all of the shops. Once the night was over, Joseph Gerbil's propaganda machine went in a full effect by claiming that the pogrom had been a spontaneous demonstration by the German people. Later, of course, secret documents would prove that Kristallnacht
Starting point is 00:14:46 had been fully organized by Heinrich Himmler's Gestapo in his number two man. Reinhard Hydrick. Man, that's fucked up. Because, like, you know, my Jewish family, like, if you got even close to the Kirio cabinet, they would freak out. You got anywhere near the Schwarzky crystals? Like, you're fucked.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Did you have the room you couldn't enter? Oh, my God. I had two. I don't know why. I didn't know why our grandparents thought of that. The idea that there was one sacred room that I guess they were waiting for the president to come to the house.
Starting point is 00:15:18 The room that we had, the room we couldn't go in, like, it only housed the Christmas tree. So like 11 months of the year, we never used the room. And then the other room that we had was so my father could call his mistresses. Oh, hey. He pays the bills. Now, after Gerbil's
Starting point is 00:15:34 propaganda network used the murder of the German diplomat to justify and even openly encourage violence against Jews, at long last, pogroms became Nazi state policy. And it was all because an act of violence had given the Nazis the opportunity they had been
Starting point is 00:15:50 waiting for it. They knew something like this would happen. But the worst immediate consequence of Crystal Knocked was that some 30,000 Jews were arrested and sent to concentration camps during the chaos. Almost 11,000 Jews landed in Dachau, and there the so-called Dachau spirit was taken to the next level. See, in the SS, in the continued evolution of Dachau's frat boy atmosphere, they'd come across a new game called Dance Jew. In this, a stake, I really don't know how else to fucking deliver that, but that's what it was called. It's the fact, yeah. In this, a stake was driven into the ground, and Jewish
Starting point is 00:16:26 prisoners were forced at gunpoint to dance around the stake until they got dizzy. But, if they stumbled too close to the guards, they would be shot and killed. And that's the funny part of the game. Right? That's what you're saying is the funny part of the game. According to
Starting point is 00:16:42 Himmler's SS, yes, that is the funny part of the game. Comedy subjective. You know, I can't help but think, with all their reckless killing of Jews, Like, did they ever miss and accidentally hit a Nazi? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:54 All the time. That actually happened quite often. Well, you know, good. Another Jewish prisoner sent to Dachau after Crystal Knock was forced to eat his own feces, which led him to hanging himself that night. Another prisoner took a break during a long workday. So the SS punished him by throwing him into a cement mixer until the constant tumbling finally killed him. Probably doubt of a broken neck. That's literally what would have happened to Mr. Magoo.
Starting point is 00:17:19 But we didn't see. We haven't seen David Finchers, Mr. Magoo. And I do think that that's the IP that we're looking for. I think so. The bumbling, iron-hearted, blind man. You know, this is actually one of the trainings they would do in Cobra Kai. Really? In the show, Cobra Chi?
Starting point is 00:17:38 Oh, my God. Yeah, Johnny threw the kids in a cement mixer. Yeah, dude. Don't do that. Don't do that. Do you realize? Oh, man. And he looks like a Nazi.
Starting point is 00:17:46 He literally had no idea what they were referencing. Now, from Heinrich Himmler's perspective, things could not have been going better. After Kristallnacht in the following pogroms, Everything's coming up, Himmler! Himmler could see that while not all of Germany had been turned into bloodthirsty beasts, there were more than enough Germans on Himmler's wavelength to move forward with his plans of Leibn's realm. Hitler, of course, saw the same, and in January of 1939, he gave a speech at the Reichstag, declaring that the Nazis were ready to declare, a world war, those were Hitler's words, against international Jewry, and thus the annihilation
Starting point is 00:18:23 of the Jewish race in Europe could commence. This, of course, meant that the time to begin the March East was nigh, and it was all set to begin with the invasion of the country with which Germany shared their eastern border, the long-suffering Poland. Even though the British and the French had given away Czechoslovakia in an attempt to appease Hitler, praying that he would stop there. British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain finally drew a line with Poland. You won't go anywhere near those
Starting point is 00:18:52 those villains people. Neville Chamberlain was just the worst. I would say misunderstood character of history. He was the worst and he also wasn't the worst at the same time because he was, I mean he was inundated with letters from
Starting point is 00:19:08 so many people just saying like, I don't do this, please don't do this. He thought that after the Munich conference in which he gave He gave away Czechoslovakia, or gave away the Sudeten land to be technically correct. He was met with tears and, like, you know, like, in there, everyone, America, Canada. No one wants to fight. No one wants to do that shit again. It just happened.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Yeah. And they all thought that he'd done a great job, you know, and the way he had described Czechoslovakia, what was the famous line is that he said it was a quarrel in a faraway land between people of whom we know nothing. You know, why would we restart World War I for that? But when you come for the parogis, that's too much. Exactly, dude. Everybody loves parogis. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:53 That is what binds every society has a parogi. And I actually believe that the parogi was the first of all. Yeah, sure, Asia, whatever. Yeah. Boiled bread, and it's great. Yes. Wonderful, yeah. But with Poland, you know, Germany had their eye in the free city of Danzig and
Starting point is 00:20:11 and... That's what they said when the Nazis arrived. Neville Chamberlain said, hey, if you do anything with Poland, if you cross the Polish border, Britain is going to respond with force. In reply to Chamberlain's declaration,
Starting point is 00:20:25 Hitler flew into a rage against the British and in private was reported to have shouted, quote, I will cook them a stew, they will choke on. Yeah. It's almost nice. Very thick stew, Adolf.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Thank you very much. I'm very hot. Tea meal in the middle of the window. Rock stool! Yes, it's filled with rocks. Then you must have brazed this for a very long time, because these rocks are indeed succulent, and can separate with a fault.
Starting point is 00:20:54 And so, by June of 1939, all of the Third Reichs ministers had come together to formulate a plan for total war against Poland. Herman Goring drafted seven million Germans for his labor needs, while Heinrich Himmler leaned on the slave labor of the concentration camps for his party. the plan. Himmler, of course, aimed to increase the amount of slave labor in the future by capturing
Starting point is 00:21:16 and enslaving anyone in Eastern Europe that he wasn't planning on killing immediately, meaning the more lands the Nazis conquered, the more powerful they would become. Totally in secret, though, Hitler had begun talks with the Soviet Union's dictator, Joseph Stalin. See, even though the communists were the Nazis most hated enemies outside of the Jews, Hitler still made a non-aggression pact with Stalin in August of 1939. In this pact, the two dictators agreed to divide Poland in half. Germany gets the west, Russia gets the east. This, of course, gave Hitler some breathing room for the Nazi's ultimate plan.
Starting point is 00:21:51 In its logical conclusion, Lieben's realm was to include the entirety of the Soviet Union, whose population was set to be either enslaved or murdered. Hey! That's a big job. That's a hard job, Marcus. Yeah, it's incredibly hard. and it's incredibly big, but the thing is that Heinrich Himmler in 1939, the plans are already in motion to actually make it happen. He believes that he can make it happen. And throughout the
Starting point is 00:22:18 summer of 1939, Adolf Hitler gave speeches in which he began whipping up the German people against Poland, just like he turned them against the Jews with Kristlnacht and the Communists with the Reichstag fire. Turning Germany against Poland was a necessity because a significant number of German civilians and German generals, many people within the Vermach, they did. did not want the sort of war that the Nazis wanted. Hitler, however, needed the people on his side if he was going to succeed in conquering not just Poland
Starting point is 00:22:45 but eventually the Soviet Union and all of Europe. Poland's hard, you know, they're tough. Yeah, they're tough boys. They could take some hits. That's the thing with Poland. The most conquered people in history. I know. We just kind of like it. In a way. You know what I mean? We're just kind of like
Starting point is 00:23:01 but they fight. Oh, yeah. I just think they like it. Yeah. They like to fight. Oh, I thought you were just victim blaming the Polish as a people. Oh, no, never, no. We're the victims. No, you know. But, yeah, as a person who has been in a couple of fights, you know, we could take punches. You really can.
Starting point is 00:23:21 I lived in Greenpoint for five years, Polish neighborhood in Brooklyn, and I saw some Poles take some fucking hits. Oh, yeah. They like to fall down and hit their foreheads against the city street fueled by alcohol. Now, over the course of the summer of 39, a plan was formulated to convince the German people that the Polish were planning to attack them, and the operation they created was named after the man behind it. As a result, World War II, the most destructive war in history, was kicked off with a plan called Operation Himmler! I know one day I would see my name in light.
Starting point is 00:23:59 In Operation Himmler, the Nazis planned dozens of false flag attacks on the German-Polish border at radio, railway communications, and custom stations. To make the claim convincing, though, they needed photographic evidence. So Himmler ordered the Gestapo to dress concentration camp prisoners in Polish military uniforms before killing them and mutilating their faces so they couldn't be identified. These corpses were then left behind at the supposed sites of Polish or aggression to make it look as if Polish saboteurs have been responsible for acts of terrorism that had actually been perpetrated by who else but the Nazis themselves. And as it went time and again,
Starting point is 00:24:39 the German people totally fell for it. And once Hitler felt he had the support of the German people at large, or at least enough of them, the Nazis launched the brutal Blitzkrieg invasion of Poland on September 1st, 1939. The UK quickly made good on their previous promises to back Poland. And when France joined in against the Nazis as well, the European Theater of World War II was open for business. And they're showing into the woods.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Oh, we love a musical. It helps with the donors. I want to know, when did the Nazis start the process of doing the meth? Oh, that was way before the invasion of Poland. So this is all fueled by meth, too. I was just watching an interview with that guy from Blitz, and he would talk about how
Starting point is 00:25:23 he got some. Yeah, some of the old Nazi math yeah and he took it and he was like still works he said he found he went searching for it and he said it's not as powerful but he sat with a buddy on a roof and they both h8 one and he was like I didn't really feel anything then he ate two then he ate three and then all of a sudden he was like they were watching the river they were in amsterdam and they were watching boats go along the river and they were watching he's like I began to feel the surge the power within me I connected with the boats in the water. I was one with them. And he's like, that's the Nazi army. Yeah, he just got predator vision. Yes. No, they were all given predator vision. Like, they were so incredibly
Starting point is 00:26:03 focused on the war must go on. We must push as far as possible. I know, I'm not exactly sure how much it was used in Poland, but I do know that meth was how the Nazis were able to take France, like how they were able to just fucking keep going and going and going and going, because it was all meth. They were all messed out. But then again, it shows about work-life balance because they got burnout. They did. Was meth illegal? No. No, absolutely not. No, it was everyone in Nazi Germany was on meth. But I mean, it wasn't like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like the meth we have today. It wasn't necessarily crystal meth, but it was very, very close. Like, it was sold in stores, you know, like they, it was manufactured by, I don't know if it was IG Farben who manufactured
Starting point is 00:26:45 exactly, but it was manufactured in plants all across Germany. And they had, they had mechanisms to ensure that like the speed didn't stop. The funny thing is that Hamler actually, he was one of the few people who wasn't on speed. He was very smart. Himmler actually preferred herbs like natural herbs
Starting point is 00:27:06 that were grown at Docow. He planted an herb garden at Docow and had the concentration camp prisoners farm it. How nerdy is that fucking bitch shit? Well he never gave up farming. He's just like
Starting point is 00:27:20 he just kept farming until he died and he failed on it. You can literally just be like and finally have grown self-fartre. But he didn't even do it. He had other, he had concentration camp prisoners do it. You know their hearts are not in it.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Now once the invasion of Poland was well underway, Adolf Hitler gathered the heads of Himmler's SS and gave them an hours long speech in which he basically said that Poland was not going to be merely occupied, but destroyed. While the German military would be tasked with taking and holding land in Eastern Europe,
Starting point is 00:27:55 Himmler's SS were going to be the men who would finally take the twisted fantasies that Germany's extreme right-wing have been talking about for decades and make them a reality. Working off Hitler's direct orders, Heiner Kimler got to work organizing the expulsion
Starting point is 00:28:09 of more than 8 million non-Germans from Western Poland to make living space for people of a more Germanic and or Aryan descent. And this was a month after they invaded. The entire railroad, network of the western half of the country was put to work transporting primarily Jews and Poles out of Nazi-occupied areas. This is an extremely reckless move because the Nazis were simultaneously
Starting point is 00:28:33 trying to balance the production of the war itself. But while the generals took care of the war, Heinrich Kimler was taking care of Levensrom. These expelled Poles and Jews were transported to lands within Poland, where the coming winter was sure to starve or freeze them to death. And by the end of the season, a hundred thousand people had perished as a result of this action alone. I wonder how much farther all of the Nazi army would have went if they weren't so concerned with wanton murder. Yeah, I mean, it's a, it is really a great question of history. If they were not, like, if there wasn't so many logistics that were going into just murder, just the murder. Yeah, I mean, we're going to, that's going to be one of the questions we're going to ask and
Starting point is 00:29:18 talk about as this episode goes on. It shows you where the priorities were. And you know what? They were all messed up. Yeah. These Nazis priorities are just fucking out of whack. Atta whack. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Also, you look at it, like, after the war, you know, and all this stuff, you know, like, Germany and Japan, like, they became, like, nice places. Well, that's because we hit them with a goddamn newspaper. And with the other one, we hit him with it twice. It's almost like when you stop trying to kill people all the time, where you live is nice. Germany's beautiful. They're both beautiful, wonderful countries. Now, at this point, I think it would be helpful to separate Heinrich Himmler and what he was doing from what the German military was doing.
Starting point is 00:29:59 The German military, of course, also known as the Wehrmacht. See, while the Wehrmacht was supposedly loyal to the German people, and it had plenty of men who hated what the Nazis had done to Germany, Hemler's SS answered solely to the Nazis. In effect, Himmler had created a second army to carry out his and Hitler's personal gold. and dreams. On the battlefield, Himmler's bloodthirsty pack of psychopaths were known as the Vauphin SS. But even though the Vauphin SS and the Vermacht were two separate entities, the Verimacht often committed war crimes hand in hand with Himmler's SS. And this is especially true during the invasion of Poland. Is this still trying to create a form of plausible deniability for the top brass? Is that kind of the idea of making, or is it just efficiency
Starting point is 00:30:44 sake? We need two armies to do two different things. There's a couple of different reasons. There's a couple of different reasons. It's that we need two different armies to do two different things, but it's also because it's known that, like, Himmler might have some ambitions towards taking Hitler's spot. And so you want to... We're already seeing it. You're already starting to see it. So he needs his own crew.
Starting point is 00:31:05 You want to make sure that Himmler is... You want to make sure that Himmler is nowhere near the Vermacht. Yes. And also, the generals in the Vermacht, they want nothing to do with Himmler, because Himmler's not a military man. No, he's just doing mass executions with the worst of the worst. Yeah, he's just some dickhead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:23 And they also are, and the generals are also very displeased that so many resources that could be going towards fighting the actual war are instead going to Heinrich Kimmer and all this Liebenzran bullshit. Yeah, there's a weird idealist Nazi stripe that could have come through that said, we need prisoners for work, we need this, we need, we're killing, because that's what we'll get to eventually. It's like, we should be using some of these people. Like, why are we doing, you know, like, we're just killing everyone. They were, they, yeah, they eventually got to that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We're in the SS, like, didn't they exist because Germany couldn't have, like,
Starting point is 00:31:57 its own huge army, or by this point, are they like, fuck it? Oh, they were long past that, but it was a part of that because, yeah, because of the Versailles treaty, Germany couldn't have a military of any more than 100,000 men. So the SS were a paramilitary group. They could do Hitler and Himmler's bidding, but were not trained militarily and we're not recognized as a military force. Now, in the first few weeks of the invasion, some 50,000 Polish civilians were murdered by the Nazis at large.
Starting point is 00:32:25 Over 500 villages and towns were burned as the Vermacht marched east, and every captured Polish soldier and police officer was killed in a series of 714 mass executions. In one particularly baffling case, the Nazis rounded up a group of Polish Boy Scouts in the town of Bedashk and they had a local priest give the Boy Scouts their last rights without any explanation as to why or what was going on. The priest is like,
Starting point is 00:32:55 yep, can't wait, thank you. I never get to do this. I guess it's practice. Once the priest was done, the Nazis mowed down every last Boy Scout with a machine gun and then, to top it off, they shot the fucking priest. Who gave him last rights?
Starting point is 00:33:13 Can't give it to yourself. Now to me! The Nazis then rounded up all the prominent merchants and tradesmen in town, herded them into the town square, and again opened fire with their machine guns without explanation or justification. In contrast to how many Poles were killed, though, that's 50,000. Germany only lost 5,000 soldiers in those first few weeks. The Nazi propaganda machine, however, used those Nazi deaths
Starting point is 00:33:37 to portray the Polish people as vicious murderers standing in the way of Germany's destiny. Now, after just three weeks of the sort of killing we just discussed, the Vermach decided that they were maybe not so stoked on directly participating in the wholesale murder of innocent men, women, and children in the pursuit of Liebens round. They're like, Hitler, can you find somebody else to do this? I don't really like it. It was really fucking with the guys.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Yeah. Yeah. Because they were doing it one by one by one. I mean, people get PTSD for, like, accidentally killing someone in a car accident. Yeah. You know, like, I could only imagine. what killing a thousand people's like. Well, for a while, you believe you're serving some greater purpose.
Starting point is 00:34:17 But then eventually it starts to be like, I don't know what us mass killing a bunch of Boy Scouts is really doing. I don't really see how those Boy Scouts were like our direct enemy. And eventually, that is, it does begin to wear away at your brain. And not just that, but the Veramacht is also like, you know, there's a bridge to take over there. We should be taking that bridge. We should not be concerned. We should be fortifying.
Starting point is 00:34:41 We should be moving ahead like we're supposed to. to, we should be thinking about the economy. Aren't we trying to occupy this land? Why are we destroying all these buildings? Why are we burning all the villages down? Where are we going to go? Where's the Lieben's realm going to? Like, yeah, sure, now there's room.
Starting point is 00:34:54 What else? Are they, like, sparing the, like, Aryan-looking Polacks? Sometimes, but mostly not, because they have, like, if they were children, then they would usually kill the parents, kidnap the children, and send them back to Germany, where the child's name would be changed and all trace of their ancestry was erased. We actually have no idea how many kids they did that
Starting point is 00:35:19 to just because they were, the records weren't kept, but they did it thousands upon thousands of times. One day, somehow, one Taylor Swiftenstein made her way in two hour and I know that Nazi goddess
Starting point is 00:35:34 is trying to destroy this country from the inside out by turning Travis Kelsey weak. Yeah, one member of the Kansas City Chiefs. That's the last thing standing in America's way. It will fall. The Union is fragile. Well, because the Vermach said that they didn't want to participate in the mass killings directly anymore,
Starting point is 00:35:58 or at least they didn't want it on their list of jobs to do, Hitler tapped Heinrich Himmler to figure out a better way to achieve Lieben's realm. Himmler went to his top generals in the Vofen SS, and after some discussion, Himmler's second in command, Reynard Heidrich had an idea. Heidrich remembered how well his ad hoc unit of Gestapo men had performed in bringing Austria to heal after the annexation. So, after some discussion, it was decided that they would resurrect the Einzatzgruppen as a full-time
Starting point is 00:36:27 extermination squad. Now, the official stated purpose of the Einzatzgruppen was to follow the Wehrmacht and secure the rear areas from resistance fighters and saboteurs. And while they certainly did do that, their true purpose was straight up. murder. The Einzatz Gruppen were ordered to find and kill every career politician, every member of the Communist Party,
Starting point is 00:36:49 and every Jew who held anti-Nazi views, which in effect was every Jew in existence. Yeah, I want to meet a couple of the pro-Nazi Jews. What's that like? Like, honestly, that takes a fucking series of mental gymnastics. I don't even know. I know that there had
Starting point is 00:37:05 to have been some. Well, there was plenty of guys that helped out, you know, in the ghettos and shit. But sometimes it's because they were also under pressure. Those are people that I don't necessarily blame when you're put in this whole society of murderers.
Starting point is 00:37:16 I could see you being fucked up. I totally believe. The Zunder Commandoz? Yeah, they were pieces of shit. Those guys. I'm talking about just in general, like, how do you even find that? I mean, you know...
Starting point is 00:37:26 Yeah. There were people, yeah, who flipped and saved them and you're like, I'm going to save myself. Yeah. And I'm going to turn over as many people as possible. And yeah, you're right,
Starting point is 00:37:35 especially in the ghettos. That was, you know, you wanted to stay away from Zunda commandos in the ghettos and in the concentration camps as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Now, a month after the invasion, Heiner Kimler decided that he could use the chaos of the war to enact every aspect of his ultimate plan for purification. So he tasked the Einzatzgruppen with the mass executions of mentally and physically disabled Germans, starting with the children. This extermination came to be known as Action T4. And since the Einzatzgruppen was established as a unit that operated outside of Germany's borders, the victims of Action T4, were transported from Germany by train to occupied Poland,
Starting point is 00:38:15 where the Einzatzgruppen could murder them without worrying about German law. There was, of course, the matter of what to do with the bodies, because the Germans were still years away from the crematoriums. As it was with everything in Nazi Germany, the process of body disposal evolved as the years went by. For Action T4, for example, an SS officer tasked thousands of Wauphin SS soldiers with sweeping Polish towns for political prisoners. Once captured, those political prisoners were forced to dig mass graves for the disabled and so-called mentally ill victims of Action T4.
Starting point is 00:38:49 After the pits were dug out in the wilds of Poland, the Einzatzgruppen lined up 3,500 German citizens in front of the pits and shot them, all so the bodies could easily fall backward into the mass grave the Polish prisoners had dug. That's more than 9-11. Yes, it is. By about 500, yeah. That's crazy. one, and that's a day. That's one day. It's a day.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Well, 9-11 was just a couple hours. You're right. You're right. It was just a morning. I know, I guess, yes, yes. We all know, yes. One beautiful, two. To keep the men on the ground, stoked on all this mass murder,
Starting point is 00:39:30 Himmler and the other Nazi leaders again and again emphasized the concept of hardness. Hardness, they said, was a virtue, one that officers and soldiers had to maintain so that Germany and its Aryan bloodlines could survive. That's what Himmler kept saying to his awful wife back home. He kept saying like the idea of like it's hard work and it's a hard process and it's all, it's hard, you know, like it's all these, oh, it's so, oh, it's hard. My struggles. It's things hard except for my penis.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Now, Germany's soldiers were conditioned to believe that Jews, communists, Romani, pretty much anyone who was an Aryan, they were all a relentlessly. threat to Germany, the criminals, the rapists, etc., etc. But if the Nazis could truly believe that the threat was not only real but existential, then the perpetrators of mass murder would have license to interpret their own violence as purely defensive. If it was defensive, the violence was not only justified, but in their minds, unavoidable. This mindset created a refrain that was repeated over and over again in the Nuremberg trials, in which some but not anywhere near enough Nazis answered for their crimes. But rather than we were just
Starting point is 00:40:40 following orders, which that's the one that everyone always comes back to again and again with the Nazis. A more common response from the Nazi war criminals during the Nuremberg trials as to why they did what they did was, it was the only thing we could do. They said that over and over again. It was the only thing we could do.
Starting point is 00:40:56 There's a bake sale. There's a fucking talent show. There's a fucking repertory company. Well, they've been conditioned to believe that they had no choice but to commit mass murder in order to survive. They truly believed that they were all coming for them. It's wild that everyone was just so ready
Starting point is 00:41:11 to give up their own people. Like, in a way, it's because like, you know, not that like invading Poland or Czechoslovakia or Austria is like good, but like it's another country. You can almost, it's easier to get behind. But when you start just killing like the guy bagging groceries,
Starting point is 00:41:26 like who, how do you get behind that shit? What they have successfully done is attach your blood to the country, right? What they have done is attach those. too. So in some way, in your brain, you do begin to believe that those that are within your country that are not of Aryan blood. The idea is they are people from another country. They are people from another society. They don't belong in this society. Well, not just that, but Hitler said again and again, and the propaganda said that the Jews are people without a
Starting point is 00:41:54 country, you know, that they just merely, they come in and they're, they're parasites. Yeah. I'm more thinking of the handicap right now, to be honest with you. Yeah. You know, like, it's just crazy to me. Let's just say we've never had as a society. as human beings, we've always kind of had issues with handling people with handicaps in that way. So this was, this is, to be honest, sadly, a more digestible beginning for this because there's a little of like these unfortunates. And there were a lot of people in Germany that were like, this is fucked up. Don't do it. Like, stop doing this.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Don't do this. That's my little brother. Yeah. Herbler was just like, no, Chad. You want to take it. You want to take up to the playground, child. You know, like, she was so upset. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:37 She was watching so many kids. Oh, like, 49 kids, each one with different legs. But then, you know, the Nazis would do what they always did, and they would pull back. Just a little bit. They'd say, all right, all right. We won't do it anymore. But then once people weren't looking, they started killing more and more. Like, for example, Ermin Schmidt, pretty much the man behind the Crout Rock Band can.
Starting point is 00:43:00 His mother was killed in Action T4. Damn. Yeah. And that definitely. fucked him up just like it fucked up just like Nazi Germany fucked up every member of Cannes in one way or another Yeah
Starting point is 00:43:11 God damn They never got over it They actually didn't You can hear it in that man Not every fucking experimental songs Just sounds like ha Oh yeah ha Because that you do every time
Starting point is 00:43:25 It's not even close There's not a single can song It sounds anything like that It's so funny Because Henry actually made me listen to Cannes a bunch in college I know I love it.
Starting point is 00:43:36 There's no problem. I'm a huge man. And of course, if you want to know more about Cannes, go listen to our series on No Dogs in Space. Also, if you want to find out how post-war Germany kind of went down and how the culture was created out of the ashes of Nazi Germany. And did you see that Benistiel Del Toro said that he built his whole character on Cannes? He became obsessed with Can and he started to listen to it.
Starting point is 00:44:02 And that's how he developed the character for one battle after another. Oh, really? He gave that whole sequence to Paul Thomas Anderson. Yeah. Yeah, fun? Like, he wrote that whole fucking sequence. That's amazing. Clearing out Poland and Germany of the Nazis undesirables was all well and good.
Starting point is 00:44:17 But for Heinrich Kimler and Adolf Hitler, the ultimate prize was Russia. As such, Himmler had plans to murder as many as 30 million citizens of the Soviet Union in the pursuit of Lieben's realm. This number actually came from one of Heinrich Kimmer's friends, Hans Joost. Yost was a Nazi poet and playwright known unofficially as the Bard of the SS. And for all you Missionaburma fans out there, Yost was actually the source of an infamous line often misattributed to Heinrich Kimler. I forgot! Yeah, the phrase was actually a corruption of a line from one of Yost's plays.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Well, what survived was a chilling distillation of Nazi thought. That line was, when I hear the word culture, that's when I reach for my revolver. That's when I reach for my revolver. It's for my revolver. Yeah. I love vision of Burma.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Yeah, that's where that line comes from. I just can't believe that anyone ever wanted Russia. Yeah. Well, it's beautiful, and it's filled with natural, very important natural resources. Bears. Yeah, bears. I love bears. And that's just this fat, man.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Well, what the Nazis were after was the oil. There was a lot of oil in Soviet Russia. Later on, quite a bit of pluton. as well. But concerning the Nazis lost for the Soviet Union's land, remember that they had signed a secret non-aggression pact with Stalin. And even though almost everyone in the Soviet army was none too sold on this Adolf Hitler guy, Joseph Stalin, for some reason, trusted Hitler.
Starting point is 00:45:52 I like him. I think if there was one guy who'd like Hitler would be Stalin. Yeah, yeah. But all the other generals were like, like Zukov's like, don't trust it, don't know. He's like, I like him. Give him a chance. Just give me a chance. I like it.
Starting point is 00:46:05 My mustache is bigger than his. Seriously. I watch... So much bigger. I watch this documentary called, I think it's called 24 hours. And what they do is they go into one horrible, like, historical figure's life for their day. And it was Joseph Stalin's death day, the day that he died. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:23 And they're the same type of weirdo. Yeah. Yeah, they absolutely were. I think they would have hung out well. They kind of had a respect for each other. But they, of course, hated each other because... Because one was communist and one was fascist. And that was just, you know what they needed?
Starting point is 00:46:38 One kiss. It's all it would have been. But the trust between Hitler and Stalin was shattered on June 28, 1941, when Nazi Germany launched the nerdyly named Operation Barbarossa, which was named after one of Hitler and Himmler's favorite historical Germanic figures. It's like naming something like Operation Rambo. Reportedly, though, the betrayal absolutely crushed poor Joe Stalin. Of all the people who'd lie to me?
Starting point is 00:47:11 I expect this from Churchill. Every day. Maybe even Mussolini, but Hitler. Hitler? Not Hitler. Even though it seemed like things were already bad with the invasion of Poland, and they were, it was with Operation Barbarossa that the true horrors of the European Theater of World War II would begin. The Nazis war with the Soviet Union alone.
Starting point is 00:47:34 would consume 40 million lives, counting for about half of the estimated 80 million people who died as a result of World War II, the most destructive war in history. 80 million people. God damn. And welcome to A&E's last podcast on the left presents Operation Barbarossa. Absolutely wonderful four hours to fall asleep, too,
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Starting point is 00:48:16 Also a great Willie Nelson movie. What? Barbarossa. It's Willie Nelson and Gary Busey. Oh. Is it about this? Is he a Nazi? Does Willie Nelson play Heinrich Himmler?
Starting point is 00:48:30 Oh, that's a play right there, dude. No. It's a Western. Barbarossa means red hair. Oh. Whoever. Funny or my way.
Starting point is 00:48:42 I think it means red hair. Red something. Maybe it needs red beard. Oh, red beard, yes. Just beard and rose. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. There we go. Radiance.
Starting point is 00:48:51 I ain't different. Now, once the German Wehrmacht invaded the Soviet Union and began spreading across the Soviet states of Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine, the Einzatzzschilderun followed in their way. with the express purpose of extermination. Within a month of Operation Barbarossa's launch, Heinrich Kempler gave a radio speech to the SS commanders in the field, giving them express orders that all male Jews in Belarus must be shot
Starting point is 00:49:17 while the Jewish women were to be, quote, driven into the swamps, which Himmler meant literally. Ukrainian Jews, meanwhile, were all to be shot, except those who could be used for labor. In other words, the order had finally been given to enact the final solution, although it is still a great mystery of history as to who gave the exact order and when. So the view that the final solution was the result of a single order from Hitler, like, okay, now we kill the Jews.
Starting point is 00:49:46 That's a total oversimplification of all the factors and situations that led to the decision. There was actually a consensus amongst the leadership within the Third Reich and amongst the governments of the people they conquered, that the final solution to the Jewish question was always going to involve murder. long before the order was given. The fact that there was a question meant that the solution has to, like, equal out the question.
Starting point is 00:50:12 You know what I mean? It's the terminology. It means it's seeking an end. Yeah, what are we going to do about these Jews? Like, it's like, you know where it's going to end. You know where it's going to end. It always ends the same place. But it's also the enough of an open-ended thing
Starting point is 00:50:26 that they can, that every single bad actor that will ever exist will use the same exact version of this, counterfeud, like, what is this subterfuge? They would use this again and again. Like, we didn't mean it. Yeah. Well, asking the questions also gives them opportunity to pretend like they're reasonable people.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Like, you know, we considered it. We considered it so much. And we came up with plan after plan, but really, the only thing we could do was murder them. It's all we could do. But it's also... Again, there's lots of stuff. You could do baseball teams.
Starting point is 00:50:56 Volleyball teams. A lot of stuff to keep people busy. In sports, let's what I said. If we start them young enough and earlier, bobsled Great Jewish sport But it's also important to remember that the final solution did not just involve the Jews
Starting point is 00:51:12 From the beginning The final solution had included Romani, communists, Russians But concerning the origin of all this If we face facts The concept of Levin's realm Did not solely spring From the brains of Germany's
Starting point is 00:51:26 Extreme right-wing politicians and authors See, the Nazis saw absolutely No Difference between what they were doing in Eastern Europe and what the United States had done to the Native Americans. And they openly used the genocide that birthed America as well as our enslavement of Africans as a model for their conquest of Eastern Europe. See, both Adolf Hitler and Heinrichemler, they believed that Germany was owed a colonial empire similar to the ones that France, England, and the United States had established in Africa, India, and the American West. The difference was that while France, England,
Starting point is 00:51:59 and the United States had established their empires by slaughtering brown people, the Germans were going to get theirs by killing white Eastern Europeans. The other difference was that Germany was going to commit their genocides far faster than anyone else in history, because why fuck around? To make matters even more uncomfortable whenever Himmler finally began feeling any sort of inner turmoil whilst enacting the final solution, he reminded himself that just as the Americans had exterminated their indigenous population, so too must the Germans wipe out the Jews.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Yikes! I mean, it's fucking true. Enjoy baseball in playoff season. I mean, honestly, I don't know if I could win that argument against a Nazi. If he were to say, like, well, what about what America did? Well, it's also about, like, it doesn't make it right. I get your point, it doesn't make it right. It doesn't make what you did right, Nazi boy.
Starting point is 00:52:55 You know? Also, is there not a way to say, like, yes, we had concentrated genocides of indigenous people here. We killed Native Americans on purpose. Yeah, right tears. It's the worst genocide this world's ever seen, in my opinion, because they effectively are gone. But the genocide that the Nazis did had such organized, unilateral corporate murder. Well, we go. That's something, you know, obviously, it's the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:53:21 I'm not trying to say one's better than the other. I'm just trying to say, like, the Nazis. He's the hetero exercise special. Well, it was never as naked as the Nazis did it. You know, like the, because with the trail of tears, Andrew Jackson could always say like, well, no, no, no, we're doing this for their own good. We're moving them here. It's like a whole validation game. They'll be good, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:40 And we could always fall back on smallpox because smallpox killed more people, more, you know, indigenous Americans than anything else. But we also. Even though we gave it to them. Yeah, even though we gave it to them and spread it amongst them purposefully. but really the big difference was that it happened over hundreds of years the genocide of the Native Americans it happened over hundreds of years and the Nazis were trying to do theirs in a matter of months like they were trying to do it because they had 20th century technology
Starting point is 00:54:09 that was the big difference is that you know America our genocide happened in the 18th century 19th century 17th century you know like we don't have the mechanization that the Nazis had they had incredible technology they had human technology like The more advanced technology got, the better people got it killing one another. Yeah, I was talking to Henry about this before the show, and I honestly feel like if the Nazis would have slowed down and took their time, they would have been way harder to beat. They would have. But they didn't have any money. Yeah, they didn't have a hermler to be like, child, you need to pace yourself.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Take a nap, child. Don't you just want us to have a nice sweet tea? It was the money. It was more the money. Maybe Herbler could have helped. No, I know, but it was the money. There's the money and just also it's just And the speed as well
Starting point is 00:54:56 It's it has diminishing returns Marcus I think the mass wanton murder like in the end Doesn't work No it does not It never has and it never will Because it gets it comes back Because guess what we're doing now
Starting point is 00:55:11 Dealing with the sins of the past Yep Live from your grave Now four million Jewish people lived in the western states of the Soviet Union alone So exterminating all of the Jews in the Soviet Union was going to be no small task, especially because, like I said, they didn't have smallpox to lean on like we did. So after the Vermacht would clear the way,
Starting point is 00:55:31 the Einzatzgruppen was ordered to follow behind and carry out Himmler's orders to kill as many people as possible, as fast as possible, by using 20th century technology. Now, because the Einstein's Grupin's murder directives were so wide, entire towns could lose half their population in a matter of days. As such, the Eastern Front, as it came to be known, was so horrible and brutal that even members of the Woffin SS were taken aback by the scale of the slaughter. According to the recollections of one SS man, tens of thousands of Russian corpses, civilians and soldiers lay everywhere one looked in Eastern Europe. The piles of interlaced bodies were stacked up to a yard high in some places, as if machine guns had cut down wave after wave of people. The worst part, though,
Starting point is 00:56:18 hottest part of the day, gases would expel from the corpses. As the SS man put it, this caused the most horrible and unbelievable gurgling sounds. And that, by the way, that's just a consequence of the war, never mind the actions of the Einzatzgruppen. Now, even though Himmler believed that what he was ordering his men to do was morally correct, he was still smart enough to know that most humans are going to react badly when it comes to actually murdering millions of people face to face, especially when it came to killing women and children. Because you can dehumanize them as much as you want until they're right
Starting point is 00:56:53 in front of you. Yeah, until they're right in front of you, and they remind you of your niece or your nephew or your mother. Because they're literally people that you could have known. Yeah, and you have to kill everyone. Like you can't leave the children because they would... They'll kill you. The argument they would use is that you can't leave the children alive, they would call the Avenger
Starting point is 00:57:09 argument. Is that the kids are just going to grow up to become an enemy later on, so whether you kill him now as an eight-year-old or you kill him in 10 years as an enemy, there's no difference to just kill them all. Well, because a traumatized soldier was useless in Himmler's view, he tasked various Nazi scientists with finding 20th century solutions in order to kill the most amount of people while traumatizing the least amount of Nazis. Now, we all know how this ended, Auschwitz.
Starting point is 00:57:37 But the industrialization of mass murder truly was born on the Eastern Front, and it was midwifed by a chemist named Albert Vidman. Working out of Minsk, Vidman began conducting experiments in mass murder, thinking first that perhaps the answer lay in dynamite. To test his theory, Vidman filled a reinforced concrete
Starting point is 00:57:59 dugout, known as a pillbox, with explosives. Then he locked a bunch of kidnapped Russian mental patients inside and detonated the payload. Ooh, that's... Yeah. The problem was that while the result was indeed deadly, they did all die, the concrete dugout was also
Starting point is 00:58:15 destroyed, and the explosion sent concrete shards and body parts flying in every direction. That's not going to work. Everybody's mad with the splatter, which is fine. We've decided to change tax. I have built this giant
Starting point is 00:58:29 foot that will step down upon them. They need to lay down so that the foot can imply equal pressure. We have to stop blowing them up. Undeterred, Albert Vidman decided that his next instrument of death
Starting point is 00:58:44 was carbon monoxide. Vidman and his team rigged a car engine with a hose to fill the interior cab with carbon monoxide, and he found that the victims inside fell unconscious within 10 minutes and died shortly thereafter. Encouraged by these results, Vidman converted a series of vans and put mobile gas chambers into production. These were the first gas chambers in the Nazi state. And these gas vans were presented to the Einzatzgruppen for use across Eastern Europe in September of 1941. The Nazis would cram as many people as they could fit inside and gas them. But the problem here was that the bodies inside the van would become so embraced in one another
Starting point is 00:59:26 and contorted so badly that the Einzatzgruppen would have to dismember the bodies just to be able to carry them to the mass graves. Even so, it's estimated that between December of 1941 and June of 1942, up to 87,000 Jewish people were killed in these gas. fans. The Einzatz group and however eventually stopped using the gas vans, not because it was too brutal, but because of how often the vans broke down, and they instead returned to their tried and true method of stripping victims naked and simply shooting them en masse.
Starting point is 01:00:02 I think I see that problem here. It seems as this van has been sold to us by Ford. Obviously, you all know it means to stand for fixed or repair daily. I remember that, yeah. Now I remember. This shit's bumming me out. He's got a lot of good ideas, so I was like to support. He's got about ideas. The vans have always been creepy.
Starting point is 01:00:27 Yeah. It's not fair. It's not fair to vans because then I think about the lobotomy vans. Yeah, the lobotomy vans. The kidnap me, the Hillside Stranglers vans. There's something about a mobile space that's really dangerous for humans to have. And it turns like influencers crazy. It does.
Starting point is 01:00:44 When they become small. housepeople? No. No, no, no. Bad things happen when, you know, humans can put isolation on wheels. The Einzatzgruppen were designed to operate independently, both on the warfront and behind enemy lines, if necessary. But while they were independent, they also had the full logistical support of the Wehrmacht to ensure they were always well supplied. As far as how many Einzatzgruppen there were, the numbers varied throughout the war. But at any given time, between 1939 and 1945, there were between 2,500 and 3,500 individuals participating in mass murder
Starting point is 01:01:22 every single day. It did not stop. Isn't it crazy? I actually thought it'd be more. The more, the numbers of the Aitzenkruppin. Yeah, you would think it'd be more, and the fact that it's so few is far more disturbing. Yeah. That it's only between 2,500 and 3,500. But you also I got to remember they're also rotating out constantly because guys don't last a long time. It had a high turnover rate and it was used as a punishment. When it reached the full height of its power, the Einzatzgruppen was split into seven Einzatz groupa of 500 men each. And these groups were divided into several Einzatz commandos of anywhere between 100 and 150 men, depending on the mission. So you basically had, let's see
Starting point is 01:02:06 here, the seven, I mean, so you basically just had like banned after about about a hundred psychopaths, just constantly roaming Eastern Europe for years and murdering entire towns full of people. Dude, I just went in a horrible little rabbit hole over all of different leaders of all the separate Eisengruppen, you know?
Starting point is 01:02:24 Einzatzgruppen. And I got to Friedrich Yacklin, who did a bunch of bad stuff, and man, he's a real jerk. He is. He is. That's what happens when you don't go by Frederick. Yeah, seriously. Dude, Freddie. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Well, the largest group was Einzatz Grupen A, which included 990 SS personnel, complete with drivers, administrators, police, secretaries, interpreters, radio operators. It really cannot be stressed how organized all of this was. They probably had like a chef. Yeah. But to show you the priorities of the Nazi regime, the Einzatzgruppen were fully motorized at a time when the Vermacht artillery was still horse-drawn. The Einstein's resources, of course, were due to Heinrich Himmler's clever administration. And since the Einzatzgruppen were so well equipped,
Starting point is 01:03:13 just one unit operating in Poland was able to murder 90,000 men, women, and children in a matter of weeks. But the important thing to remember was that the Einzatzgruppen always looked at the violence they committed as civilized. And they conducted themselves in what they believed was a civilized manner. For example, at the end of an operation, after an Einzatz commando had killed hundreds, if not thousands of people in a single day, they would be served schnaps and nests. appetizers as both a reward and as a way to make the action feel official, as if it was some sort of occasion to be celebrated. Now, incredibly, the Einzatzgruppen were not the only band
Starting point is 01:03:52 of SS psychopaths roaming Eastern Europe during World War II. Great. In particular, Heinrich Kimmer had recruited an absolute psychopath named Oscar Derlewanger as a supplemental force to the Einzatzgruppen. Like a one-man Einstein groupin? No, like a, uh, he thought like okay, the Einzatz group, and yeah, they're great, but what if I had one group that was worse? The worst, worse, worse, one. And this was the guy that we were going to actually cover. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:21 And we got to Himmler because of this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because there's a fair amount of information out about him, but there's a biography coming out. It's just about to come out. In like January, about Oscar Derlo Winger. He was in World War I. He was heavily involved in the Warsaw uprising. Evil, evil,
Starting point is 01:04:37 evil, motherfucker. But he's also one of those evil motherfuckers. that killed people by hand. Oscar Derlewanger is no Himmler. He's no even Hitler. He's a fucker. He's a real fucking killer. You know how many people you can gas
Starting point is 01:04:53 in the Oscar Meyer Weiner reveal? Are they laying down? But seemingly, Oscar Derloanger's command was a sort of experiment. I'm sitting on this the whole fucking time. You've been sitting on that since the band discussion. And you've been waiting. He said all these.
Starting point is 01:05:11 horrible things, and you've been sitting on that Wienermobile jump this all the whole time. Fienersmiths. Viener and Fiener and Hemler had collaborated in searching through the concentration camps to find the most violent, despicable
Starting point is 01:05:29 men contain their end. Men willing to carry out absolute atrocities with glee. Think of it like the suicide squad, but with Nazis. Oh, like if they weren't using the suicide side squad for good. Yeah, if they were using it
Starting point is 01:05:43 for Leibin's realm, you know. Himmler then put these psychopaths in Derloanger's command and set them loose on Eastern Europe to be as absolutely depraved as they wanted to be.
Starting point is 01:05:54 It's almost like an graduated version of the stormtroopers. Yeah, it is like let's just see what I, like it's basically unleashing a storm a psychopathy across a land
Starting point is 01:06:05 and let's see what happens and see what they do. The end of blazing saddles. Just like it. Actually, it really, yeah, it totally is, yeah. Told you to wash your hands. Amongst other atrocities, Derlewanger and his crew would round up thousands of civilians and cram them into barns before opening fire, or they'd set the barn on fire and shoot
Starting point is 01:06:27 anyone who tried to escape, all while they laughed to their heart's content. And these sorts of actions made Durlewanger notorious for his unsurpassed methods of viciousness and depravity, to the point where even other SS leaders, were disgusted by Durlewanger's reputation. And the Nazis did briefly consider a plan to simply deport the millions of Jews in Eastern Europe to the Asian country of Madagascar. Let's all, let's just put them on an island.
Starting point is 01:06:53 Let nature take its course. See what happens. Was Madagascar not a part of Africa back then? No, it was a French territory at that point. Oh, okay. And they have all the lemurs. Yeah, it's cute. It's cute.
Starting point is 01:07:04 I've seen the movie. Hey, man, we've got a lot of very interesting reggae. Really? Yeah. Do that Madagascar Africa album is fucking awesome. He's good. Hitler, however, abandoned this plan when he realized that he would have to compete with the British Navy in order to ferry all of these Jews by boat.
Starting point is 01:07:24 So Hitler told Himmler, just keep the Einzats grouping on their mission, and just tell them, keep shooting every Jewish person you find. The final solution, therefore, kicked into a higher gear. And in the spring of 1941, several thousand Nazi soldiers were ordered to, to the small German town of Precht, where they were told that they were about to undergo training to expand the Einzatzgruppen.
Starting point is 01:07:48 And so, with the extermination force embigened, the Einzatzgruppen began the next phase of mass murder. On June 23rd, 1941, the Verimacht captured the Lithuanian city of Kaunus. Kaunis was home to 120,000 people, 35,000 of which were Jews.
Starting point is 01:08:06 And just to let everyone know, this is when it gets bad. This is when it gets bad. This is the best. bad part. Well, this is when it begins. This is a, we're about, the escalation has reached up. We've already killed like a million. Fair amount, but this is when the people get involved. Oh, okay. Once the city of Countess was captured, Einzatz Group and A got to their business, but they did not do their dirty work alone. See, anti-Semitism was not a German creation. So wherever the SS went in Eastern Europe, they found
Starting point is 01:08:34 plenty of willing collaborators amongst the civilian population. These collaborators were either people who had long-standing anti-Semitic beliefs, people who were trying to ingratiate themselves to the invading force that was the Nazis, or they were simple psychopaths who saw an opening to commit horrific atrocities in public without consequence. In Countess, for example, a group of 600 Lithuanians organized to aid the Einzatzgruppen, and that group of 600 civilians burned down synagogues and Jewish homes, all while they were rounding up their Jewish neighbors to beat them to death in the city square. The Nazis even opened the prisons so the prisoners could join in on the pogrom. And after the inmates armed themselves with clubs, they were set on the task
Starting point is 01:09:23 of finding and killing every Jew in town. On the first night, 1500 Jews were murdered, and another 2,300 followed the next day. Men with crowbars beat Jews to death. in the streets, and after the bodies were dragged away from the town square, there was so much blood that the town had to bring out the hoses to wash it away. Similar scenes broke out all across Lithuania as soon as the Nazis entered, and as the mountains of corpses piled up, eager collaborators would grab accordions and play the Lithuanian national anthem next to the mounds of dead bodies, because the Nazis were not alone in seeing the Jews as an existential threat. Once time came for disposal, though, the Einzatzgruppen organized the Jews they hadn't killed yet into a burial team.
Starting point is 01:10:13 The prisoners were forced to digged mass graves and dragged the dead into the pits. And once they were done, the grave diggers themselves were shot as well. The Lithuanians, you know, they use this tie-dye to make themselves look all cuddly. Yeah, they really do. But I think this is a really good time. Yeah, the Grateful Dead basketball. Actually, that was the same thing that I thought. I just want to say thank you to Marcus for all your hard work,
Starting point is 01:10:38 and here's a little levity moment where I'm going to give Marcus another one of his Einzanzgruppen day present. Okay, yes. Fantastic. Thank you so much. That's really nice. This one I think he's going to like, because I think this is really going to help alleviate some of the tension. It's going to cut some of this as good to see.
Starting point is 01:10:55 They're still good in humanity. Yeah. People still give each other gifts. Friendships still exist. Yes. And that is your commemorative AI designed, St. Jeremy Allen White Candle.
Starting point is 01:11:07 Yeah, it's the guy from the bear, who I am told I look quite a bit like. You do look somewhat... I guess you do look a little like him. Yeah, somewhat like him. I see him often at the... He is at the
Starting point is 01:11:16 farmer's market. Yeah. And he's always on the little train looking grumpy. Oh. Well, his last name's white and he's on a train. He should be happy.
Starting point is 01:11:26 Thank you very much, Henry. This is very sweet. Joy. Should I... No, well, we have more. Okay, good, because my gift seemed inappropriate
Starting point is 01:11:32 at this moment. and this one was Sir Jeremy Allen Wayne is that what this is sir do you see him there do you see honestly he could play
Starting point is 01:11:43 Oscar Derloanger oh my God he really could oh right now he's playing Bruce Springsteing oh well so similar so similar
Starting point is 01:11:56 now even though the Einzatz groupin were technically the creation of Reinhard Hydrick they were still under Heiner Kimmer's direct control
Starting point is 01:12:03 because Himmler was in possession of a secret and ensured Heidrich would do whatever Himmler wanted. See, during the standard investigation into Hyderick's ancestry, the investigation that was required for all SS men, Himmler had discovered that Hydric had
Starting point is 01:12:18 Jewish blood. And it wasn't just on his hands. It was also in his little vial. He actually had it a little like and drank. And Himmler used this knowledge as leverage anytime he felt that the balance of power, was shifting too much in Hydrick's direction.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Can you imagine that meeting? Very, very, well. Can you just fucking the idea of you walk in, you get called in it? Because, you know, he probably was like, oh, I've had to talk to you for men in the office. Like, it was probably like, the way a Nazi would do it, where you sit down there and him just flapping it down on the table being like, we found something interesting, Hydric. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:55 I mean, like, I could just see it be the smile on his face. Your 23 and me results are very puzzling. Mr. Pakistani? Well, I'm sure it was present from the very beginning because Kamler did that investigation anytime someone joined the SS, but he saw something in Hydrick. Like, he saw, I can use this man.
Starting point is 01:13:16 He saw how self-loathing he was. And he saw that he could use that hatred to get what he wanted. Oh, yeah, he's a highly vulnerable second in command. So he had more than three grandparents of Jewish blood? He just had some Jewish blood. And someone who's in Hamler's inner circle... He's a charge of the Einzatzgruppen.
Starting point is 01:13:37 He better not be. Or he was the creator of the Einzatzgruppen. Story by. But him he probably did too, man. He had that fucking dark hair and shit like that. He just looked like a fucking peat. He just was ugly and gross and it was nothing but recessive genes. Yeah, he's just a, yeah, a recessive mutt.
Starting point is 01:13:55 It would probably be a really good way of describing Hunter Kimler. Recessive gene, European mutt. But Hamler, he didn't just think of himself as a mere administrator. He believed himself to be an educator, and he was therefore meticulously involved in the lives of those who served under him. But his meddling did not go both ways. While he did think of himself as their educator, Himmler also mistrusted everyone beneath him. While every other top Nazi had a trusted staff, Goebbels had his guys, Goering had his guys, Himmler insisted on handling all the details of delegating his tasks himself,
Starting point is 01:14:30 which meant that he was well aware of everything, the Einzatz Gruppen was doing. It's almost like Himmler was the only real Nazi. You know, in some ways, I just think about all it. According to Himmler. Gerbils was a real Nazi. Yeah, I'm just saying, you're right. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:14:46 I'm just saying, like, Himmler just like, this is the fact that he was just centered in his lane, knew we had to take care of what he had to take care of. You can't trust all these guys, all these fucking busy bodies. No one knows what to do. It's like I said in the first episode. There has to be the most Nazi Nazi and it's Himler. See, Himmler thought of himself as a man always on the move. This is also what made him the Nazis-Nazi.
Starting point is 01:15:09 He thought that he was a guy making important decisions on the fly. He's constantly driving his mission forward. And Himmler would even personally intervene to sort out problems between SS members, and his meddling would even extend to the diets of his men. For example, Himmler had a 22-point list about the rules for making toast. So as to make the toast most easily done. Digested. Himmler also insisted that his men only eat specific foods like apples, pears, nuts, and oat flakes, very Germanic foods. I know that he also believes that these are healthy and these are things to do, but also remember, like all good cult leaders, if you create a set of very distinct rules to follow, you get really used to following ornate sets of rules.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Yeah, but how boring do you have to be to write a book on toast? You have to be the most Nazi of all Nazis. Himmler also expected his leaders to keep their men well fed. And if Himmler thought that any of his SS units were suffering from malnutrition, he would send their leader to an actual place that he created called the House of Poor Nourishment. There, Himmler would force SS leaders to eat food that was overcooked or badly prepared. That was the whole point of it. You have to go to the House of Poor Nourishment for a month and eat canned peaches and overcooked fish for, you know, until I decide you've been punished.
Starting point is 01:16:32 Today we call that the Cracker Barrel. Yeah, no, for some reason I just see a 1940s guy Fierry just popping up and be like, hey, what's going on, you fucking bitches? And then like putting each one like, you know, like the Dick's Last Resort, like my bun stinks. trainers, drive-ins and trains. Himmler also had rules involving his men's personalities, arbitrary rules that were up to Himmler's personal discretion. He has no right to talk about personality. That's exactly why.
Starting point is 01:17:04 Yeah, he could deem a man too vain or too ambitious or too addicted to reading newspapers. And if Hamler believed the offense was bad enough, and this is really what it was all about, if he thought that a guy was more trouble than he was worth, Hamler had enough rules where he could say like, all right, you're dead. Kill him. He's broken too many rules. It really is the mob. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:24 It is. Yeah. But Himmler also might punish an SS man for being afraid of breaking the rules. You're not breaking enough rules. or he might punish a man for being afraid of punishment. In other words, Himmler was merciless, even with his own men, to the point where he would punish the families of SS men who died by suicide, making sure that their so-called shame was noted at their graves.
Starting point is 01:17:47 Hamler, however, could flip rule breakers if he saw an opportunity, if an SS officer was bad with money and needed a loan, or if he violated the SS's strict laws concerning copulation with non-Aryans, And by the way, that role was broken with, was broken more and more often with the more lands the Nazis conquered. Yeah. Himmler could blackmail the officer into participating in the assignments that few men volunteered for. These assignments, of course, could involve being assigned to the Einzatzgruppen, especially as the killing reached new heights and scenes like the aforementioned pogrom and countess played out in countless towns and cities across Eastern Europe.
Starting point is 01:18:24 Dude, it's like a pimp. You know, he just uses anything he can against, you. It's whether it's like for him or against him, like it doesn't matter. Because he understands that movement, it's like a shark. Nazis have to be on the move constantly on the defense. Because he's right. Himmler knows
Starting point is 01:18:43 that everybody's trying to kill him. Everybody's trying to be in charge of the SS and the Einstein's group. And when you're in charge of all these murderers, you staff murderers. And nothing's like having a lot of like strings on
Starting point is 01:18:59 of money. Yeah. And if you stay in one place for too long, people rise up. If you stay on the move, people are like, oh, thank God they're gone. And then also, oh, then things fall to shit. Then the upstairs guys go like, we need to send Himmler back there because he's the only one who knows what's going on. So then Himmler goes back. He
Starting point is 01:19:15 proves himself to be very valuable. Yeah. But at the same time, it's around this period that Heidrich starts believing that not only can he do a better job than Himmler, he can do a better job than Hitler. And Hyder is actually starting to make plans to depose even Hitler.
Starting point is 01:19:31 That's how much backbiting is going on. Well, Hydrick's the only guy who's actually getting his hands dirty. Mm-hmm. Now, if you were wondering why the civilians in these pogroms didn't fight back, it's because the mass killing of civilians by the Nazis was an operation that was planned out and executed with extraordinary precision, and it was backed by a massive amount of organization and support. On your average operational day,
Starting point is 01:19:55 an Einstein's group and unit would surprise towns in the early, morning hours when it was still dark, accompanied by vicious attack dogs who would mull any civilian who got out of line. The able-bodied males were killed quickly with advanced weaponry, machine pistols, and machine guns, while the only weapons the civilians might have to fight back with were farm implements. Later, the Nazis would even use power shovels to dig mass grave pits a few miles outside of the villages before they even win in, so the civilians wouldn't see what was coming until it was far too late. But out of all the mass graves across Eastern Europe, none were deeper, nor filled with more bodies than the Babiya R ravine in Ukraine. This ravine, which runs straight
Starting point is 01:20:41 through the city of Kiev, is known as the Babushka Ravine. And it is so massive that if you stood on one side and shouted, you would not be heard by someone on the other side. But unfortunately for the people of Kiev, when the Einzad's group had arrived, they immediately saw. saw Bobby Yard as one massive pre-dug grave. You know, it's so textbook, you kill the people who can fight the hardest first. Yeah. And so everyone, you're like, so why didn't they rise up? It's because, like, the most powerful guys we got just got fucking killed.
Starting point is 01:21:15 Immediately within the first hour. Yeah. But question is, is this what it's called when you paint with all the colors of the wind? What? Are you using the land itself? Like, did he learn another? horrible lesson from Pocahontas to use the land. To just use the land.
Starting point is 01:21:31 The land is there. Somewhat, at least the Einzatzgruppen did when they saw it. Oh, that song isn't going to bum me out next time I sing that naked in the pool. Yes, he puts the hauntus in Pocahontas. Thank you. So on September 26th,
Starting point is 01:21:52 1941, Einstein's Groupon C ordered all the Jews in the city of Kiev to appear near a cemetery at the edge of Bobby Yaw Ravine in three days' time. They were told to arrive with all their documents, money, and valuables, because the Nazis claimed that they were simply going to resettle them elsewhere. But when Keeves' Jews arrived to the cemetery on September 29th, the Einzatzgruppen and their collaborators spent two full days murdering Keeves' 33,771 Jewish citizens.
Starting point is 01:22:27 civilians, making Bobby Yard the single worst massacre of the entire war. That day, the attacks began without explanation, as brutal blows rained down on the collected Jews from all directions. The Nazis and their collaborators did so happily, laughing as if, in the words of one author, they were merely watching a circus act. People began collapsing to the ground where the Nazi dogs ripped them to shreds, and it was said that the victim's screams mixed with the sounds of Nazi joy and a sort of symphony of confusion. Now, panic civilians did try running away, but in the end, they were only crushing each other. And finally, the Einzatzgruppen brought the group back under control.
Starting point is 01:23:11 The Jews were then ordered to strip, and if they didn't do so fast enough, the Nazis tore their clothing off and beat them with clubs and brass knuckles. All the clothing and valuables belonging to the Jews were, of course, loaded onto trucks as Nazi plunder to further fund the war effort. But once the Jews were naked, they were forced to walk down to the bottom of the Babiya Ravine upon pathways that the Nazis had cut into the side of a steep canyon.
Starting point is 01:23:37 Once the first group was at the bottom of the ravine, they were ordered to lie down, and a squad of 12 Einzatz Group and soldiers opened fire with submachine guns. After the first group was killed, the Nazis forced group after group after group of men, women, and children to lie down on top of the previous layers of corpses so they could be mowed down just like the one that came before. The piles were eventually hundreds of feet long
Starting point is 01:24:05 down the Baviyah ravine, and layers piled several bodies high. The Nazis, however, had already predicted that the Jews would not march directly to their deaths if they knew that it was a certainty, so the pathway they had cut into the ravine had a sharp right turn just before the corpse. pile began. That way, the victims wouldn't know until the very last second exactly what was happening, although the screams and constant machine gun fire, which only paused every four hours to switch out a new squad, it probably gave them an idea of what was coming. On the other hand, you're naked, and where else are you going to go? What are you going to do? But in order to keep the assembly line of murder going, a so-called packer was assigned to stand at the sharp turn,
Starting point is 01:24:51 and this packer would push victims into the line of fire so the machine gunners would not have to aim. In all, the entire operation was set up to be mechanical, soulless, and constant. And the only survivors of Baviyar were those who managed to avoid the guns of the other Einzatzgruppen, who were assigned to constantly hover around the piles of corpses, looking for people amongst the bodies to shoot again. Happy Einstein's Grupen, day to Marcus. What a wonderful day
Starting point is 01:25:24 it is that we're having. I have another gift for you. This was a very powerful moment and it was very hard. So I imagine it was very hard to write. It was. So this, thank you. This is from us. Yeah, next time you have to write something like this. You know, maybe you can even use this right now, to be honest with it. Very nice. Yeah. You're welcome. It's to kind of help you deal with all this. It's squarish. I think this will help. I feel it's a square. Yeah, you're right. This is good for him. This is good for right now. get tile of some kind of a coaster
Starting point is 01:25:51 that's all it's being it's a it's a coaster with a kitty on it that says don't stress me out see that's really me out me out don't stress me out
Starting point is 01:26:04 going guys don't stress me out yeah yeah so you know this right now I mean this was very stressful happy Einstein's group and day thank you thank you both very sweet no problem I'm still looking for a time to give this
Starting point is 01:26:19 one gift away, and I haven't, it just seems very inappropriate. You should have talked me out of it. There's the other one. There's another one in those. Now, the initial two-day massacre at Bobby Yard. You're not using the coaster. Well, I mean, I'm using the, I, if you wanted,
Starting point is 01:26:35 honestly, you're stressing me out. I'm using it as something to fiddle with. Okay. I'm rubbing it. I'm rubbing it. Yeah, I'm using a little stem thing. Okay.
Starting point is 01:26:45 It's good, because I like the corners on it. So I am. I am. Now, the initial two-day massacre at Babi-R resulted in the murder of almost 34,000 Jewish civilians, but the ravine was far too useful to be left alone. As the Nazis purged the city of Kiev of communist in Romani, while it was still under their control,
Starting point is 01:27:07 they dumped the bodies of the dead in Babi-R on a schedule. Every Tuesday and Friday was Corpse Day. That meant that by the time the Soviet Red Army liberated Kiv in November of 1943, there was somewhere between 100,000 and 150,000 corpses rotting in the Bobby Yarr ravine. We have no idea exactly how many. It's just an estimate. Henry Kimler, meanwhile, was back in Berlin having a grand old time with his secretary
Starting point is 01:27:34 Hedwig, if we may take a short break from the Holocaust. Oh, wow, yeah, we're going to date time. Now, is this where TGIF comes from? I too believe that is true, yes. Well, Himmler's secretary, Hedwig Pottast, had started working for Himmler in 1936 at the impressionable age of 23,
Starting point is 01:27:56 but within two years, Hedwig had become Himmler's mistress. Incredibly, Hedwig seemed to have quite the effect on the usually taciturn administrator, and it was noted by friends that Himmler became a different man as a result of his love affair. What is this a fucking Merrill Street movie?
Starting point is 01:28:14 He's turning it to fucking, just all of a sudden he's over there. He's Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson. This is what's happening while Bobby R. is occurring in Ukraine. This is what's happening in Berlin with Heinrich Himmler. This is what Heinrich Himmler is doing with his day, doing with his time. While people are being killed by the thousands, Himmler is giving a pet name to his secretary. He called her Hushin, meaning little bani. And Hedwig even convinced Himmler to get a haircut that was, quote,
Starting point is 01:28:44 less severe. I agree with her. You know, I was thinking yesterday, you know what you look good on? And I saw this in a thing the other day. Have ever heard of cornrows? Very cool, very new. You could look good with some cornrows. I could see it.
Starting point is 01:29:05 Yeah. See, as you get older, the hair on the top of your head goes away. So let's try growing some of the stuff on the bottom. Maybe. Yeah, you got to lose the butt head. Now, since Hedwig was Himmler's mistress, she naturally shared his enthusiasm for mass murder. Because you can't share a bed with Heinrich Kimler without sharing his beliefs. Isn't there like some kind of in and out about whether or not she really knew anything?
Starting point is 01:29:28 It seems like they did see each other, but we have no idea what they're fucking. It sounds like she was a grand old Nazi bitch, but... Yeah. Well, I mean, according to one of Hedwig's friends, she knew. And she was very, very involved. Hibler's real into it. Yeah. I'm certain you talk.
Starting point is 01:29:45 How much does Carolina now know about Himmler? How much does Natalie have to know about UFOs? You mean to tell me these people aren't going to talk? Well, Carolina knows quite a bit because she helped with the story editing and much of the production on this episode. Thank you very much, Carolina, for your help on this. And she's always there on the couch. In the tears that we've been together, she's always there when I'm, quote, watching my Nazi shows at night, you know, winding down. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:10 So, yeah, she knows quite a bit. Yeah. And, you know, like Natalie, you know, she, you know, Headwig, you know, had a partner who was like a pillow. Oh, that's cute. Oh, that's nice. I'm a source of comfort. Well, it seems like once the Einzatz group and really got gone,
Starting point is 01:30:26 Hemler began living in his own twisted version of civilized society with Hedwig as his partner. They actually lived in a luxurious home in Hitler's neighborhood. Oh, whoa. That's crazy. How did get that? You never think about that. Like, there was a Hitler had a neighborhood.
Starting point is 01:30:40 Yeah, yeah. He had a Hitler to go. favorite restaurant we probably ate at it yeah yeah yeah it was actually quite good oh that pork knuckle was so fucking good we went to this place in berlin it's the oldest restaurant in the entire city it's one of the oldest restaurants in europe in the world we went amazing food they have all of these luminaries beethoven ate there yeah every member of all german society the dog or the musician and but then there's like almost like a sense that there's pictures missing.
Starting point is 01:31:12 Yeah, there's a period missing, possibly between 1933 and 1945. Yeah, it's like nobody went to the restaurant. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, the food's good. Yeah. Food's incredible. Well, according to one of Hedwig's friends, Hedwig knew because the friend claims that Hedwig and Hymmer's house
Starting point is 01:31:31 featured chairs made from human body parts. One chair was supposedly made from the polished bones of a human pelvic girdle, while the other was made from human leather. legs and feet. No health inspector, huh? Yeah, tell me, man. Himmler and Hedwig also reportedly owned a copy of Mind Kampf that had a cover made from human skin.
Starting point is 01:31:51 Supposedly, it was a gift that Hitler gave to all of the top Nazis. But it must be said that the existence of these items has never been confirmed, nor were they found after the Allies defeated Germany. If Hitler did give a bunch of copies of Mein Kampf bound in human skin to all the top Nazis, one of them, we would have found one. There's no way there's not one around. No, yeah, if they ever existed, which I don't think they did. They turned it into a football.
Starting point is 01:32:20 But I feel like that's a part of the legend. There's more legends in here, too, where I wonder whether or not, like, I got some flack by even thinking about Himmler as a sexual person, even though he had this extended affair. But honestly, who's to say it was hypersexual versus somebody just hanging out with? You finally have a younger woman that's paying attention to you that eats up everything that you say, and then maybe you just play house with this person. I don't see him as a big kisser.
Starting point is 01:32:47 No. No, especially with that chin. His teeth are going to fall out of his mouth. But I guess she gets, but without the chin, she does have a good, like, nuzzle spot. Yeah, she does. It's very comfortable. But the Adams apple's going to get in the way. She's frightening looking.
Starting point is 01:33:02 Hers or his? Headwig potash is frightening looking. She looks like a character from the strangers. You know what she looks like? She looks like the girl from the Frighteners when she was young. What's her last name? I want to see her. Pot Hass. P-O-T-T-H-A-S-T.
Starting point is 01:33:19 Pie H-H-H-H-H-H-Has-A-H-Hah! Yeah. She's scary. Oh, man. Deep-Eyes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She looks like someone who would love Himmler.
Starting point is 01:33:27 Yeah. She's like, yeah, it's very Sherry Moon zombie. Yeah. But whether or not Himmler and Hedwig were living in an Edgien fever dream or not, the happy couple were actually. having sex with each other. Sure. In just a few months after the Bobby Yarr massacre, Hedwood gave birth to Heinrich Himmler's second child, a boy named Helga. Eventually, she would give birth to two children from Himmler. Now, Himmler was still married to his
Starting point is 01:33:51 horrible wife, Marga, but in his eyes, he'd done something to be proud of and having a child with another woman. In Himmler's view, he was merely practicing what he preached, because Himmler's obsession with breeding the master race had only gotten stronger as the war went on. See, not too long after Himmler had his second child, he signed an order declaring that all, quote, unquote, seductions of women and girls by SS men, they all needed to be reported to him personally, so he could keep an eye on how Aryan blood was spreading across Europe. Hypocratically, Himmler would even involve himself in cases of adultery within the SS, reviewing each case personally to see which couples should be forced to stay together and procreate and which couples should be sent. to the camps. So he sent Nazis who were adulterers to the camps? Let's be honest.
Starting point is 01:34:41 He sent Nazi's wives who were adulterers to the camps. Yes, Nazis were fine. It was all the women. Now, if we may return to the Holocaust, do you guys mind? Oh, great. Oh, I almost forgot. What else are we doing? Not every location in which the Einzatzgruppen operated
Starting point is 01:34:56 had a Bobby Ravreveen ready to be filled with bodies. Therefore, the main logistical problems that faced Himmler's men in the Einstein's group and was, what are we going to do with all these bodies? because leaving them out in the open was a gruesome health hazard. The obvious answer, of course, was to dig mass graves, and for a while that's exactly what they did. But the pits became their own sort of extraordinarily traumatizing horror shows for everyone involved.
Starting point is 01:35:22 See, once these grave pits were filled with dozens, if not hundreds of victims and covered in dirt, the ground would move as if it was breathing. Yeah. Because many of those who had been shot by the Einzatz's proven before the dirt was thrown on top, they had not died before the burying began. The living would often dig themselves out, exhausted and covered in blood. Many died just a few yards from the pits, but those that didn't die were simply shot again by the Einzatzgruppen and left to rot where they lay.
Starting point is 01:35:53 The Nazis also experimented with quicklime to speed up the decomposition process. But again, the problem was with the living. When the quicklime hit the skin of those thrown into the pits, those who would not yet died, the chemicals would boil them alive as their skin sloughed off the bone. According to some survivors, the screams of those being chemically eaten away by the quicklime was worse than the burns caused by the quicklime itself. And the screams would only get louder as layer after layer of humans were marched to the mass graves, shot and dumped on the melting mass of flesh. all right so i didn't know that this was the script you know when i got this gift okay now it's one other wonderful moment for a happy eyes unscruping day yeah it's on scrupid day just make sure you're
Starting point is 01:36:43 celebrating at home every single time you hear some sort of unearthly ungodly horror yeah take a shot i don't know i don't know what you're supposed to give a gift to yourself you know maybe it's yeah maybe give a gift to yourself give a gift to someone you love give it you know what it is let's make it a you give a gift to a friend oh that's what it is on nine and we're recording this on october 23rd so that's einzhak's group and day is a day when you try it to replace the horrors committed by the einzatskut's group and with the power of friendship okay and then since like and like i know that this could be insensitive but i just have to mention again i got this because i know who you are personally it has nothing to do
Starting point is 01:37:28 with the script. Gotcha. It's a really nice shovel. We got you this brand new shovel. Oh my God, this is incredible. Yeah, it's a brand new shovel. It's got a good handle.
Starting point is 01:37:41 It's a really, it's a nice, like, short, yeah. We did debate. He's got a new garden. I don't know what to fucking do. We debated because of the mass grave element. We know that, but he likes shovels. It's got nothing to do with the graves.
Starting point is 01:37:54 It just shovels. I just, I enjoy digging. I have since I was a child I enjoyed digging, I enjoyed dirt and the fact that you the two of you gave me two digging implements shows that you know me very well and I appreciate both of you
Starting point is 01:38:09 May this shovel bring you life Thank you Oh beautiful Thank you I will use the shovel to create life Yes yeah yeah yeah vegetables maybe Yeah oh wow Yeah yeah yeah yeah food I think we do with the shovel
Starting point is 01:38:23 You know Thank you Pit body If you can avoid it. But if it happens, you got a shovel. I do. If it's the only thing that you can do. I do.
Starting point is 01:38:37 This is so nice. Thank you. Because it's nice. I can fiddle with it, too. It's small enough to fiddle with. Exactly. It's like a sit-in cane. It is.
Starting point is 01:38:44 Yeah. And I will say the one weird thing I should have known better. Because when I was watching Triumph of the Will, when all the Nazis were lined up, they were all holding shovels. Yeah. Why not guns? Because they wanted to show that, you know, they, remember, it's all about agriculture.
Starting point is 01:38:59 And it's all about, you know, warrior farmers. They were such a fucking nerd with the farming. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, that was also, but that was also Gerbils. Like,
Starting point is 01:39:07 Nuremberg was Gerbil's baby. Oh, yeah, because, you know, like, he had a, I think he had a theater degree. Like, I think he had a theater tech degree. I didn't remember the... Like, Gerbils had studied theater. Is daylight savings their fault? No, that's ours.
Starting point is 01:39:21 Benjamin Franklin. Oh, okay. I had a idea, I was reading a thing about Nuremberg about how they had this thing where he had set up 151 aircraft detective lights around the Nuremberg rallies in order to create this column of light, this like godly column of light.
Starting point is 01:39:36 And the most like literally on the nose thing, at the very top of the converging, it would create this like point of light where it was converging. They said that during Nuremberg rallies, birds would fall from the sky as they got caught in the orb of light and they would die.
Starting point is 01:39:52 They would literally fly until they died. Nuremberg. You know what I want? A Nurembergur. Well, it's because we're hungry, let's wait. Yeah, yeah. You put sourcrout on a burger. Now, as it was, the Einzatzgruppen had plenty of reasons to dig pits.
Starting point is 01:40:13 There was an unimaginable number of bodies to dispose of. Because once they got started killing at a full clip, each of the seven Einzad's Gruppen could easily be responsible for 20,000 murder. per month. But eventually, the mass murder began to wear on Himmler's men. You can't kill millions upon millions of people without it starting to fuck with you a little bit. But while there were certainly Nazis in the Waffen SS and the Einzadzgruppen who were traumatized by the atrocities they committed, there was a significant corps who were eager and enthusiastic killers who did not need any sort of gradual brutalization to get them accustomed to mass murder. But the end of 1941,
Starting point is 01:40:54 all seven Einzadsgruppen units developed their own tactics for mass murder, and each group tweaked their methods depending on the unit leader's style and on what direction the unit sadism leaned. In Minsk, for example, one Einzad's group and leader would arrange for the youngest and prettiest of the Jewish girls in the city to march to a cemetery in a mock beauty contest. Once they were amongst the graves, they were forced to strip naked before being shot one by one, The last to survive, the winner, so to speak, would be raped by the Einstein's group and leader
Starting point is 01:41:28 who would subsequently murder her himself. Happy Einstein's Grouping day. One last little gift for the wonderful days. This is one last gift to bring a positive edge. You're looking for the silver lining. This is since this is the last one, this is the biggest gift. Okay. It's a three-parter and it's all music-based.
Starting point is 01:41:50 Yes, this is, yeah. First is Danny Bedrosian's new book Make My Funk the P-Funk That's a really good plug Thank you so much It's a good plug Yeah
Starting point is 01:41:59 Especially in the middle of Hamler Mila high-thex group and day He loves that He really loves it And then you know Marcus likes rare music P-Funk's a little too popular for you So here we have
Starting point is 01:42:10 Larry Mullen's album Who is the drummer for the Bad Seeds Oh yeah Thank you That's as good as money Yeah that's as good as money Yeah that's as good as A lot of people say, you know, you don't need to give the drummer an album, but not Larry Mullins.
Starting point is 01:42:25 No, no, I got to shut. Because all it is... Yeah, it's like radio head, but without the radio or the head. And then also, this one is, I think, the best one. It's a cassette of the repo man soundtrack, but it's not the repo man soundtrack. It's a tribute to the repo man soundtrack, so it's covers of all of the repo man songs. Oh, thank you so much. Hold on to that one.
Starting point is 01:42:52 Yeah, yeah. Oh, Mike Watt. Mike Watt? Yeah, I love it. The first song, the Repo Man theme song, is done by those darlings. I love those darlings. It's really good. I'm sure they love the plug here as well.
Starting point is 01:43:04 Yeah, right in the middle of Himmler, man. Yeah, hell yeah. But he does help us escape from Himmler. Yeah, well, he just sees Ozoo, unfortunately, died of cancer. So there's no more of those darlands shows. Well, now I'm angry. Mike Watt's still around. Mike Watt and the second, man.
Starting point is 01:43:19 They're doing great. Yeah, yeah. They're doing great. And plug to them on Einstein's Grouping team. Oh, happy Aisthen. Thank you very much. It's a very thoughtful gift. No problem.
Starting point is 01:43:30 Nope. Back to the Einzatzgruppen. Great. Sure. The insane brutality was not the case across the board. In order to deal with the murder of innocent men, women, and children, some Einstein's groupen leaders engaged in games of pretend, where they would tell themselves that they were actually killing criminals or resistance fighters.
Starting point is 01:43:49 But when the justification stopped working, some Einzatzgruppen would find themselves overcome with uncontrollable fits of crying. Come out of nowhere. Others began suffering from impotence. Multiple times, Einzad's groupen soldiers completely lost all sense of reality, and they would begin shooting wildly, killing and wounding their fellow SS men. Eventually, the SS came to recognize when this was about to happen, and the men for whom it was all too much would be sent home to either die by suicide
Starting point is 01:44:19 or drink themselves into oblivion. Bye! Number two was the more common one, but many, many, many Einzatzgruppen members killed themselves. Pretty soon after coming home. Bye! See you in hell! It's so rare that I'm like,
Starting point is 01:44:37 ah, suicide sounds right. That's good. Get out of here. Honestly. Get out of here. You ruined it. You ruined it, and you got to go. You got to go. Hamler, however, eventually recognized that the Einstein's Grupen was not a long-term solution, which, of course, is when he got the idea to begin using the
Starting point is 01:44:54 concentration camps to fully industrialize and, more importantly, depersonalize the Holocaust. But in October of 1941, hope for the people of Eastern Europe finally arrived. That month, Japan sent word that they would remain neutral in the German-Russian War. This meant that Stalin could transfer all the troops he'd been keeping on Russia's far-east borders straight to Moscow for a counterattack. And because the Nazis had paid so much attention to slaughter in the name of Leibn's realm, rather than focusing on long-term
Starting point is 01:45:25 logistics, the Nazis took heavy losses immediately. But the reason why Japan was staying out of the Eastern Front was because they already had their eye on a different enemy. And on December 7th, 1941, a day that will live
Starting point is 01:45:41 in infamy, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Finally, we're at the Japanese. And it's with the awakening of the sleeping giant that is America! Yeah! That will return next week to conclude
Starting point is 01:45:57 our series on Heinrich Hemler. And don't worry, ladies and gentlemen, the Nazis start dying immediately. Yeah, then we can start getting into it next week because this has been sad. It's actually going to be fun to finally kill some Nazis.
Starting point is 01:46:13 This is a really good, like, it's just important that we said this, because normally with every episode. As soon as I learn everything, I delete it. Right? I delete so much stuff. But apparently, it seems like with this series, there's a lot of lessons we're supposed to know. Yeah. It's like lessons. And I think one of those lessons
Starting point is 01:46:29 is, I'd send Groupin Day. It's an awesome concept. Yes. And we're going to Hallmark. Every October 23rd, that's It's for friends. It's replacing the power of hate with the power of friendship. Yes, it's right. Remember that. Plant some vegetables. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:46 on Ainsenskrupentay. Yes, that's, yeah. Buy a Jewish guy some pizza. Honestly, Jews fucking love pizza. They do. They love them. Buying a pizza and a hip-hop album. Honestly, just, just, yeah, please.
Starting point is 01:47:00 My Jewish family, we did this great pizza thing. I came into town, I was like, hey, I'd like to see everyone. And they got everyone together. And we all like pizza, you know? And so what we did was everyone brought one pizza from their favorite pizza place. And so, and they all showed up at the same time, we had seven fresh. pizzas from seven different delicious pizza spots. Great
Starting point is 01:47:20 Jewish tradition. That's incredible. We did that once. Remember where that pizza? Does it all be New Jersey's pizza, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing beats New Jersey pizza. These fucking Chicago, Detroit, New York, idiots. I said it. Jersey's got the pizza, you fucks. Apparently it's Connecticut. I've never had it. Never had that New Haven pizza. I want to try it. You know, actually last night to
Starting point is 01:47:43 kind of cleanse the palate a little bit as Soon as I finished writing this script last night, I went and met Eddie and some of our friends at the Red Lion Tavern for Haino karaoke night. Oh, my God. It was so much fun. I had Bratworth and Sourcrow and a Bitburger to remind myself, like, no, this, there's Germans, there's some good stuff in Germany. There's a lot of really great stuff.
Starting point is 01:48:08 Angel of Merkel's tits. You're obsessed with them? I mean, they're there. We'll keep that train rolling. They're there. German breasts are nice. Patreon.com slash last podcast and left
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Starting point is 01:49:01 Yeah. It's not like today's episode. I mean, you know, it's kind of brutal. Our live show? Yeah. Sorry, I just, I switched off. You're laughing. Wait, wait, no, no.
Starting point is 01:49:15 He's just seeing the Einstein group and he's waving goodbye. Yeah. What a wonderful Einzun's grouping day. See you next year. Bye, Hail Satan. Oh, you know, hail friendship. I don't feel, Ryan Murphy, kind of, if I'm going to be, Frank, kind of ruined Hail Gein for me a little bit.
Starting point is 01:49:31 Well, whoa, whoa, please be Marcus. Take it back. I'm just saying, I'm going to have to give it a little bit of time. Wow. But in the meantime, you know, hail friendship, hell digging implements. Hail, friendship, and digging implements, and Andrea Merkel's tits. Thank you. This is a really good weapon, too.
Starting point is 01:49:48 This tiny, this little shovel. I mean, God. A pickaxes, you're going to kill somebody with that. It'll be awesome. Yeah, no, me, no.

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