Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 642: Heinrich Himmler Part VI - Mein Cramps

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

The boys close the book on one of Germany's worst villains this week with the final chapter in the story of Heinrich Himmler - As Nazi Germany collapses, Himmler scrambles to save his own skin, hiding... war crimes, chasing mythical superweapons, and leaning on his surprisingly influential massage therapist to negotiate peace. But in the end, the “architect of the Holocaust” proves himself to be exactly what he always was: a coward grasping for control as the world he built burns down around him. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 there's no place to escape to this is the last hot on the left that's when the cannibalism started who was that I know we haven't even finished part six but why don't we do seven Honestly, this episode, because I got to kill so many Nazis with my words, I kind of got invigorated. I was like, I could do this fucking forever. I'm back in.
Starting point is 00:00:38 I'm invigorated. I'm fucking ready to go. Welcome to last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Marks. I'm here with Henry Zabrowski. Are you ready to kill some fucking Nazis, Henry? I'm always ready to kill some Nazis with kindness. Oh, that's the key.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Always got to make them feel uncomfortable. comfortable with being vulnerable. Yes. Before we kill the Nazis, can we piss on them first? And we also have the urine ready Ed Larson with us.
Starting point is 00:01:07 I'm European. I'm European. Yeah, we're here. We're part six. We are at the conclusion to our series on Heinrich Himmler. The first head of the Mount Rushmore of Evil is almost chiseled in stone completely. And I love
Starting point is 00:01:24 this one is probably not even the most unpleasant one. No, this is the most pleasant one. Yeah. This is easy. This is easy. Wait till we get to the other three. Oh, you're talking about, you're talking about the Mount Rushmore of Evil.
Starting point is 00:01:38 Yeah. Yeah. Some of those are going to be pretty upsetting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, different. Yeah, yeah. Different. Yeah, let's say different. Yeah. It's like, we wanted to upset people in as many ways as we could. And that's the goal. Good, good, good. Every way.
Starting point is 00:01:53 Would the next guy be like a doctor? No. Maybe a lawyer. I hate lawyers. Or a prosecutor. Oh, those bastards always trying to tell me I can't smoke weed. You fucking prosecutor piece of shit. I'm with you, buddy.
Starting point is 00:02:10 I'm gonna fucking pull your pants down and slab your tush because it looks like two Himmlers next to each other. Now we're in trouble. Let's get into this shit and let's put Himmler in the fucking ground. Oh, yes. So when we last left Heinrich Himmler, the scope of the Nazi's ambition concerning Lieben's realm and the final solution was finally starting to catch up with them. See, by the end of 1941, the Nazis had spread across Europe like a disease, and it had been the SS and the Gestapo under Heinrich Kimmer's command that had kept the people of Europe in a state of constant terror, where anyone could be sent to a concentration camp or outright executed for standing up to Nazi rule. In the West, Germany had conquered and occupied the majority of continental Europe with the help of their fascist Italian allies. And in countries like France, Norway, and the Netherlands, the Nazis were
Starting point is 00:03:01 using the Gestapo to root out and kill Jews wherever they found them. In the east, the Nazis had run riot over Poland, Czechoslovakia, and large swaths of the Soviet Union, and Hamler's Einz's group and units had slaughtered millions in pursuit of the Nazi dream of Lieben's realm. But the problem the Nazis had in 1941, twofold. First, the invasion of the Soviet Union had been badly planned. Oh, they were going to say it was an attitude problem.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Continue, yes. Because first of all, I do think that they were sour. Way too much emphasis have been put on committing mass murder at the expense of working out the logistics of waging war in Russia during wintertime, which is, to say the least, a notoriously daunting task.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Yeah, General, January, General February. There you go. But perhaps the larger problem Nazis had, or at least the more unexpected, one was that their other ally in World War II, Japan, they were going rogue and making decisions based on their own visions of imperial conquest. Too many cooks. Yep. See, the Nazis could handle the Russians just so long as Stalin was forced to keep troops
Starting point is 00:04:04 on the eastern border that Russia shared with China. Japan had a long-standing beef with Russia, and since Japan had spent the 1930s creating their own special version of hell in Manchuria, they were well capable of pushing on into the Soviet Union. But when Japan decided that they were going to declare war on the United States instead with a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor because of our oil embargoes and because they wanted the lands
Starting point is 00:04:28 we controlled in the Pacific, Papa Joe Stalin could take all those Soviet troops stationed in the east and shove them right up the Nazis' asses. And that's why FDR jumped out of that chair and clicked his eels knowing that that opportunity and finally
Starting point is 00:04:44 fallen upon his numb as a sheet of metal lap. Hey, you boys went in to Charleston? The thing was, Japan didn't even tell Hitler what they were doing.
Starting point is 00:04:59 But while you'd think good old Adolf would be incredibly angry about being kept in the dark because Japan had to keep this secret as tight as possible, that wasn't the case at all. Yeah, he was just like,
Starting point is 00:05:09 thank you for anticipating needs. Yes. That's what the good partner does. Are we allowed to call him sneaky? That's sneaky. You're not even talking to Hitler about killing Americans. That's sneaky. It's the sneakiest you can get.
Starting point is 00:05:24 And that's the biggest crime. Yeah, the lies. At least tell me the truth. While Hitler was certainly surprised after Pearl Harbor, he was ultimately pleased because he believed war with Japan would not only keep America busy and out of the European theater,
Starting point is 00:05:40 but it would also, at the very least, slow down the aid that America had been giving to the UK since the beginning of their fight with the Nazis. Hitler, however, was a fucking idiot. The German generals who actually had a brain knew that all was lost for Germany the moment America entered the war, because Japan had awoken a so-called sleeping giant with near-unlimited resources and a hell of a taste for revenge. Come to America!
Starting point is 00:06:12 We're kicking them out. We love to kill. It's like, come on, guys. I know we pretend to be good, but remember, we... kill. Give me a goddamn reason to kill. Give me a reason. We do it many different ways. We do it with guns. We do it with drones.
Starting point is 00:06:26 We do it with disease. Give us a goddamn reason. It's almost good when we have a war, because then we don't kill our own people as much. Not as much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hmm. Nah. Eh. Eh. Maybe. It's all the pile. I'll take a maybe. I'll take a maybe. So, forces
Starting point is 00:06:42 in Europe and around the world, some 26 governments and all, including America, they allied in 1942 to begin fighting back against the Axis Powers with a specific eye towards stopping the incredibly destructive and murderous Nazi war machine. And I will say thank you to everybody for understanding that we're doing all of the conflicts of World War II in one episode. Understand that it's just one episode, we're skipping the war, okay? Because you know what happened.
Starting point is 00:07:08 It's not a World War II series. It's a Himmler series. Exactly. And we're not necessarily skipping the war. We're still talking about the war. We're just not going into the battles necessarily. there are other podcasts to do that far better than we do. After you're done with this series, please go listen to the hardcore history series on the Eastern Front. It's fucking incredible.
Starting point is 00:07:26 But yeah, they know how to do military history. We know how to do shitheads. Yes. Well, as a result of these 26 countries coming together, the German people began to see that there were dire consequences for following a fascist leader like Adolf Hitler.
Starting point is 00:07:42 In 1943, the Allies launched the appropriately named Operator Gamora, and over seven days of continued bombing, British and American forces showed the people of Hamburg the meaning of the word biblical. God's angry, and he's Jewish. I mean, personally, I believe that the hamburgers should have been left alone. Yes. The firestorms generated by the Allies during the bombing of Hamburg spanned over eight square miles, creating flames a mile high. An estimated 30,000 German civilians were burned alive, and that was only a preview of the hell the German people were about to endure as a result of the hell that the Nazis had unleashed upon others.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Now, that's not to say that we believe roasting civilians by the thousands was the right thing to do. No, it's the fun thing to do. Yes. We know that. We know what's fun. There's different between what's right and what's fun. Yeah, and you cook hamburgers. Everyone knows you cook a hamburger. Yeah, you can eat raw hamburger. You've got to get an intense sear on that. Get the Maillard effect.
Starting point is 00:08:48 I mean, there were thousands of Germans who were decidedly anti-Nazi who died in these bombings. But it is nevertheless a sign that on this last episode of our series, we're finally going to put some of these Nazis into the fucking ground where they belong, including Adolf Hitler's number one special boy, Heinrich Himmler. Ah, he Himmler. And it's going to be sad because Hitler's main struggle is going to be finding a good friend. Especially at the end He can't have one
Starting point is 00:09:20 Yeah, because he's got to watch All the families Fuck each other in the bunker One day we will do The last weeks of the bunker As its own episode series The bunker is incredible Because it's
Starting point is 00:09:31 That is truly my expertise In this whole thing Oh my God I watch downfall That movie fucking rocks I love downfall Downfall's so good That guy's great as Hitler
Starting point is 00:09:41 You know what it's Best Hitler ever Best he is the best Hitler ever You're right he loves that I love that show on VH1 whatever happened to it Michael Ian Black was hilarious
Starting point is 00:09:54 in that he was great Were you on that show? I was yes God it was me Michael Ian Black Carrot Top Hyderick Himmler's grandson You got fired
Starting point is 00:10:06 because your mustache was too wide Yeah that's what they said Jews link By the way We totally fucked up by not getting this whole series sponsored by Hymns.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Now, as we discussed in our series on the Manhattan Project, World War II wasn't just fought and won in the massive battles. Many of the most important operations were small, covert affairs, and it was indeed a small affair that took down the creator of the Einzatzgruppen. Himmler's number two guy, Reinhard Heidrich. Now, unlike Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heidrich actually got his hands dirty as Himmler's top man in the SS. Hydric had been responsible for the invasion and the brutal occupation of Czechoslovakia in which hundreds of Czechs were executed or sent to concentration camps on
Starting point is 00:10:57 Hydrick's orders. Hydric was so notorious that his actions in Czechoslovakia led the Czechs to call him the butcher of Prague. Now, the surviving members of a Czech government were operating in exile out of England after the Nazi takeover, and they wanted to make a big statement to the Germans and to the world at large that they weren't going to take the Nazi invasion lying down. Yeah, we take it ass up. Like how we like it, because our back hurts. Yeah, ass to ass. Yeah, fuck
Starting point is 00:11:25 me. Yeah, you're Nazi. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, stick it in. Stick it in. Stick it in, I like you. Look at me in the eyes. Can we isolate this, please? Yes, just take this in a... I would love to have his first funeral. You're dying first. So, the Czechs, working with British intelligence
Starting point is 00:11:43 services, trained dozens of their own resistance agents in the ways of infiltration and assassination for an operation that came to be known as Operation Anthropoid. Yeah! Why was it called Anthropoid? What does that term mean?
Starting point is 00:11:59 They just choose names, you know? Sometimes they do. I feel like it's supposed to be random and sometimes they have like inner hidden jokes, right? Maybe it's like a squish a bug type of joint. Oh, resembling a human being in form. Ah, yeah. So it's, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Reinhard Hyde. was not quite human, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's incredible. There's four movies made about Operation Anthropoid. Going back to, the first movie was made in 1943, the year after it happened. Oh, yeah, we got to make a movie about this shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:29 It was the only one that really worked. It was the only assassination plan, right? Of all the not, I mean, I don't know. So I'm just talking out of my butt. I actually don't know either if it was the only one that actually worked. Because I know Operation Valkyrie went after Hitler. That didn't work. Well, that's because it was a bunch of nothing.
Starting point is 00:12:45 He's doing it. I don't know what the fuck they're doing. Well, we'll get to that later. Tom Cruise tried to learn the handbook as quickly as he could. Still, so tiny, too tiny to play that guy. But anyway, well, two men were ultimately chosen for Operation Anthropoid to parachute directly into Nazi-occupied Prague in May of 1942. And they had only one purpose. Put an end to Reinhard Hydric, one of the Third Reich's most evil villains.
Starting point is 00:13:15 The secret agents met Hydrick's car on the road to Prague and pulled out a couple of stend submachine guns with the intention of murdering Hydrick like Sonny and the Godfather. Give me the loot. Yeah. Baca, baka, baka, baka. I mean, it is pretty fucking awesome. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Just sitting in front of a car. But it didn't work right now. Nope. But since the stens were made fast and cheap, the guns jammed. Improvising one of the Czech agents tried throwing an anti-tank grenade known as a thermos into the car's window. But his aim was off, the grenade exploded near the rear tire of Hyderick's car instead.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Now, Hyderick was injured in the blast, but he was still able to open the door and fire a few shots at the Czech agents as they escaped. But even though the agents hadn't obliterated Hyderick on site into a mush of hamburger meat, what they'd done instead was far more satisfying. The grenade blast had maimed Hydered Hidrick, injuring his spine, his legs, and spleen, and after he collapsed on the scene, he was taken to a hospital where he died a slain. low, painful death from sepsis over the next five days.
Starting point is 00:14:19 I know we're supposed to save these, but that guy's good. It's good to get them. The agents were killed by the Gestapo three weeks later, but they had nevertheless managed to take Reinhard Hydrick off the board, which was a massive blow to Heinrich
Starting point is 00:14:37 Himmler's plans with the SS. Yeah, man, you had to kill that motherfucker. He was brutal. He was the worst, probably the worst of all of him a weird way just because he loved doing it himself. Yeah. You know, like, he liked to be there holding the person as they died, but it was his own fucking
Starting point is 00:14:52 piece of shit cockiness that got him because he would always travel in the convertible all around the town that he had just destroyed. Like, it's like a go fuck yourself type of situation. And so they were able to, and Nazis are always like very like organized, you know? And so they knew exactly when he was going to be showing up
Starting point is 00:15:09 in that convertible. And it was an easy kill. Yeah, that was the whole joke about the Nazis making the trains run on time. The whole thing, what the Nazis making the trains run on time did, was it made the Allies very easy to know exactly when to bomb the trains. Yeah. You got to be unpredictable sometimes. That's why America
Starting point is 00:15:25 works. Chaos. Oh, yeah, you think we're zacking. We're zicking. Yeah, it's pretty good. Also, you wonder if in the sequence, like, you know, in Godfather, when the oranges fall, right every single time, one of them died. Do you think it's just a big, sloppery plate of Bratworths that slides out of the
Starting point is 00:15:41 tits of a big German woman? Oh my God I'm gonna spit my costume That symbolism Now even though Heinrich Himmler didn't trust Reinhardt Heidrich He was still devastated by the death
Starting point is 00:15:58 of his number two Dokey I've been waiting for fucking so many episodes I've said number two Heinrich's number two so many times We've been waiting into the final episode
Starting point is 00:16:10 Yeah it's nice I gotta wait until he farts himself to fucking death and sepsis and fucking he You die to dokey, you're two, you fucking dumb, dumb. But we cannot really overstayed how dangerous he was. He really can't. But, you know, Himmler was very upset, if only because it showed how vulnerable every top Nazi really was.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Oh, they can get him. Oh, yeah. Apparently, grenades do the trick. Yeah. You throw a grenade at a guy. He blows up. Now, Himmler might have been discouraged after the death of his top man, but he instead continued his expansion of Holocaust into its final form when he unveiled the mass murder factory that was Auschwitz.
Starting point is 00:16:52 In July of 1942, just a month after Hydrick's death, Himmler traveled to Poland to oversee a demonstration of the camp's first gas chamber, which naturally met his approval. The trains, therefore, began running to Auschwitz en masse with the goal of killing as many Jewish people as possible as fast as possible. But while Himmler's desire to wipe out all of the undesirables was only increasing by the day, the Nazis still needed slave labor to keep the Nazi war machine going. That was the whole thing with Nazi Germany, is that Nazi Germany could only grow if they took what they needed, if they stole what they needed. I need a factory, give it to me. I need people, give it to me. That was the only way Nazi Germany worked. That's why they had to constantly be
Starting point is 00:17:35 on the move, while they always had to be conquering a new country, conquering a new territory, War was the only thing that drove them. Without war, the whole thing fell apart. Yeah, and they were literally plundering. And it's actually kind of similar to how their Germanic ancestors slowly carved their way against the Roman Empire. The original of Roman Empire. Pirates. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Vikings. Goths. Vandals. So the prisoners being detained at the thousands of concentration camps across Europe, there's about at least, there's estimated like maybe like 40,000. uh concentration camps like of like tiny size depending on what you call concentration camps but they were well over a thousand of the major ones that's crazy my mind is there's always like 12 no it's over a thousand is there like just like 12 like huge ones is that what it is
Starting point is 00:18:25 they have express ones you go into you got the common dot lounge yeah yeah yeah yeah some of them have a taco bell in them summer full service summer self service the self-service ones are really fucking that goes after the self-hating Jews The juice for Jesus Well, these prisoners worked 60-hour weeks at least And the death rate due to disease, malnutrition, and executions have become so high That the slave labor mechanism that Nazi Germany needed to survive was grinding to a halt. So Himmler issued an order across the camp system that the death rate had to be reduced,
Starting point is 00:19:02 although this is sort of the beginning of mixed messages from Himmler when it came to exactly what the Nazis were doing with the concentration camps. In other words, mass murder is complicated. It's a little complicated. And the plot was starting to get lost. See, by 1942, the perpetual motion of violence that had sprung from Himmler's furious hatred was too far gone to slow it down in any meaningful way. Even outside a straight extermination, Himmler treated his slave labor prisoners worse than animals.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Hell, you'd treat your tools better than Himmler treated these people. He didn't hate his tools. Yes. It was Himmler's policy that each and every prisoner be worked until they dropped dead. And if Himmler needed more slave labor, all he had to do was expand the parameters of what got you sent to the camps. The policy was extermination by default, either through working prisoners to death or immediately exterminating those who couldn't or wouldn't work. Prisoners who wouldn't work, by the way, were executed on Himmler's orders by other prisoners who happily hung their fellow inmates for the private. of three cigarettes per hanging. I mean, happily might be a little.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I mean, they were bought... You know what some people say I do it for the cigarettes? No, I'd do it for the company. I love these guys. These executioner guys, I love these guys. Well, these guys in this, they were volunteers.
Starting point is 00:20:33 They were guys like, yeah, I'll, like, who wants to, because, you know, Himmler was trying to traumatize the least amount of SS men as possible. She's like, I will have the prisoners do it because, you know, the concentration camps, there were some true criminals there, some true psychopaths. I mean, remember Oscar Derlewanger, like, recruited a lot of psychopaths from the concentration camps because at this point, Heinrich Himmler made a ruling, made a law that any German who got a prison sentence longer than 18 years was sent to the concentration camps. Okay, so they still had, like, prisons in Germany. Oh, yeah. They'd straight up just in other prisons, too. Yeah. So if you, you know, were convicted of murder in Nazi Germany, you got sent to a concentration camp. So you had plenty of amoral people there who were willing to kill whoever for a few cigarettes.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Oh, okay. Well, that's better. Well, that's cleared up. Now, it might go without saying, but Himmler's need to exterminate the Jews became his all-consuming obsession as the years went by. To Himmler, the existence of a single Jew in Eastern Europe was. personally offensive. But while this might sound weird, not every Nazi wanted every Jewish person dead. Or at the very least, they didn't, and this is probably more accurate, they didn't see the need to spend so much time and so many resources murdering every single one of them. They're in the middle of a war. Yeah, they are. Yeah, it's a distraction. Yeah. Himmler would actually
Starting point is 00:21:55 get into arguments with other top Nazis about what he was doing, but he could always fall back on the claim that everything was being done on Hitler's orders. And the other Nazis would do well to not question the vision of the furor. This, however, was not just a claim. It was the truth. See, while Himmler was more loyal to Nazism than he was to Hitler personally, he still very much loved Hitler. It's so hard not to. Separate the art from the artist. You was still a big fan. Because aside from a few of the diehards, Hitler was the only other guy out there who hated Jewish people as badly as Himmler did. But there was a Also, nobody else out there who was as scared of the Jews as Hitler was.
Starting point is 00:22:39 You know, it's kind of like that guy who stands up the motorcycle for Rob Halford every night on Judas Priest. He keeps the dream alive. Yeah. Like, yeah, we know it's on a track, but they pretend to wheel it out. Yeah. They pretend to start it up for him. That's Heinrich Himmler. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Yeah, it's the guy who makes the guitar spin for ZZ-Z-TOP. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. I got you. Yeah. Because our ZZZZ-Z-Top of the guitars don't spin. Yeah. No, it's certainly not. Hitler without killing all
Starting point is 00:23:06 the Jews. No, you can't just kill some of them once you start. Yeah, but him... Can we also isolate that as well? There's several of these I want to do.
Starting point is 00:23:15 We'll put the time stamp on that. It's like 29 minutes. It's hard to make this kind of funny. I am doing everything I can by betraying my people. No, you're not betraying your people. You are participating
Starting point is 00:23:29 in a long and beautiful tradition that goes all the way back to it's springed. Time for Hitler In Germany Wow, we're terrible Yep Yeah
Starting point is 00:23:42 Hey man, we ain't going to Broadway I don't need it dude Bloated man The arm of the massage dude Well the point here Is that Himmler did have a lot of respect For Adolf Hitler By the early 1940s
Starting point is 00:23:54 Hitler and Himmler had known each other For 20 years Oh, that's like us Yeah And Hitler believed that there was no Nazi More loyal than Heinrich Himmler But aside from their shared love of Leibn's realm, Himmler was actually loyal, yes. But it was mostly because Hitler was a super scary guy who actually frightened Himmler quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:24:14 You might say that about it anymore. You know, I call him a little bit of a scary guy. Yeah, he was intimidated. Yeah, he had a lot going on there. And he got, you know, his whims were hard to follow. Yeah, when you yell every word you say, you know, it gets a little crazy. It's just hard, you know. But people react the same way to me.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Do we think Hitler actually killed people with his own hands? He saw action. Yeah, I mean, he did see action, but he was a messenger. He wasn't an actual soldier in World War I. He just ran messages between the trenches. That last thing I saw was so crazy. He just saw the bloodiest shit ever. So, I go, oh, you want me to send your subscription in to Best German Ever?
Starting point is 00:24:51 So sometimes you do have to kill the messenger. Sometimes. You would, if they were correct. No, there is actually a story that a British soldier told that he had the opportunity to kill Hitler. He remembered him, and he had totally had the opportunity while Hitler was running messages during World War I, and he decided to spare his life. Wow. Mistake. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Fuck it, dumb, dumb. Never do that, guys. Soldiers? Never do that, okay? Yeah, kill them all. Now, I know we're deep into something, but who had the haircut first? Himmler or Hitler? You know what?
Starting point is 00:25:28 I would say parallel thinking. Yeah. It was the zeitgeist. Yeah. They killed him, too, unfortunately. Well, for Hitler's part, he became attached to Heinrich Himmler, partly because one of the SS's main functions from the beginning was to protect Hitler from assassinations.
Starting point is 00:25:45 So Himmler acted almost like a security blanket for the furor. But more importantly, Hitler knew that Himmler's remarkable skills as an administrator and Himmler's dedication to Nazi Party doctrine meant that Him would carry out any order that Hitler gave him without objection, no matter how abominable it may be. And Himmler would probably add in a few ideas of his own to make it all that much worse. Just the idea of making Hitler go like,
Starting point is 00:26:13 damn, Heinrich. Just expecting it wanting to get in the handshake from Paul Hollywood. Man, and for all of you playing the Himmler drinking game at home, that was a tough, that was a tough paragraph. Hamler knew that. Hamler would hangar. Bye from your grave.
Starting point is 00:26:41 The year is 2012. The setting. New York City. There are a thousand stories in the naked city. And this one is about blood. Vampires are real. They stalk the streets, feeding on the living.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Nobody is sick. Join me, Henry Zabrowski, along with Jackie Zabrowski and veteran TRPG player Ross Bryant for an actual play series set in the Vampire the Mascarade universe from the mind of Game Master Jared Loker. This show will premiere on the LPNTV YouTube channel starting on Wednesday, October 29th, and will release on a weekly base. People will die, then get back up and bite you. Will my character succumb to the beast within? Can Jackie navigate the Byzantine intrigues of the dam? The future is a mystery.
Starting point is 00:27:38 All we know is, it's going to be a bloodbath. LPN RPG presents Bloodbath. Every Wednesday on the LPN TV YouTube channel. It all begins on October 29th. Enjoy the mysteries. Now, the problem with being Adolf Hitler's main dude was that it came with a lot of responsibility, because if anything defines a Nazi, it's being busy. But after Reinhardt Heidrich was killed,
Starting point is 00:28:11 Himmler had lost his most capable subordinate in carrying out Hitler's most diabolical orders. Because Hitler insisted on doing everything himself, he therefore carried the full burden of carrying out the policies of mass murder after Heidrich's death, and the resulting stress only exacerbated the lifelong health problems that were caused by Himmler's weak constitution. More duke-talk. I get it, man. Stress is the killer.
Starting point is 00:28:38 It's not concentration camps. See, Himmler was above all a very nervous man, and his constant anxiety, paranoia, and hatred would cause intense stomach cramps. This was a lifelong problem. But eventually, Himmler found a solution in the form of an Estonian-born massage therapist from Finland named Felix Kirsten. Now Felix Kirsten was said to be a
Starting point is 00:29:02 mild-mannered man with kind eyes and a, quote, sensual mouth. Yeah, God. Oh, yeah, kiss him. Yeah, Felix. Yeah, feel me, Felix. Yeah. Oh, God damn. You kiss that peter's well. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Jesus. Gross. I hated that. I really didn't like any part of that. Yeah. That's why you don't want to get a sensual mouth. Well, Felix Kirsten had a gift for easing the anxiety of even his most neurotic patients. Wow.
Starting point is 00:29:35 And he was therefore idolized by his clients. As such, Heinrich Kempler was so taken with Felix Kirsten's massage treatments that Felix became the most influential person in Heinrich Kempler's life following the death of Reinhardt Hydra. And as a result, this is true. Felix would play a surprisingly large role in the story of World War. two, far larger than one would expect from any one masseur. Technically, this man, I would put this as Himmler's Mike Lundel.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Right? If we're going to do as my pillow guy? If Mike Lundell could have had a more positive influence earlier, right? I can see this being, him being like, what I see you need here. Oh, I see, you just aren't sleeping right. You need a new pillow, right? If he'd fix
Starting point is 00:30:20 everything with his pillows, Mike Lundell would have the same effect here. actually see where you're going with us. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, as far as how Felix Kirsten became so good at massage that he ended up influencing the events of the most destructive war in history.
Starting point is 00:30:38 These two fingers. He first became interested in the art when he was hospitalized for rheumatism while fighting in the trenches of World War I for the Germans. According to Felix, the doctor who treated him in the Helsinki Military Hospital remarked that Felix's strong, plump hands and broad. short fingers. I'm good for this. Yeah, me too.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Ideally suited to massage. Oh, I could grip and rip, dude. Yeah. So, when Felix returned to Finland, he earned a degree in scientific massage, then moved to Berlin in 1922. I'd make Himmler fall asleep in seconds with these hands.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Yeah? He is like, Himmler is like silly putty, but... Oh, yeah. I guess irrational putty. I would say hateful pudding. Well, in Berlin, Felix Kirsten claims he found a mentor who introduced him to a fragile old Chinese masseur named Dr. Coe, who had learned about the ancient art
Starting point is 00:31:31 massage in Heinrich Himmler's favorite Asian country, Tibet. I love that kind of Asian. Supposedly using Dr. Coe's techniques, Felix Curson began building a substantial client list in Berlin throughout the 1930s. These clients were mostly made up of upper and middle class people who didn't really see why others were making such a big deal about this whole Nazi thing, and Felix felt the same way. Oh, Felix love feeling him. He just likes a knot that he can unleash.
Starting point is 00:32:00 See, Felix claimed again and again that he wasn't interested in politics, nor was he aware of anything, quote, unquote, political happening around him. Every masseuse has always been the same. They're all like, they're all such, they're all like this. They all turned weirdly into fascists. It's all like this. Sound is not a bath. Well, sure. Felix said that he was shocked and offended.
Starting point is 00:32:25 by the anti-Semitism and by the Nazi police state. Yeah, everything about it. But he said that he, quote, forced himself to not dwell on injustices he could personally do nothing about. Now, this might have just been Felix trying to avoid the trauma of the suffering he endured in the trenches of World War I. But Felix said that instead of focusing on the injustices of others, he dedicated himself to getting as much pleasures he could out of life. And as such, Felix Kirsten is the closest thing to a character from Cabaret, that we're going to get in this entire series. See.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Now, Finland was cozy with the Nazis because both of them hated the Soviet Union. And Felix Kirsten, they weren't necessarily allies. They were what you would call co-belligerents. Okay. And Felix Kirsten had earned a reputation amongst high-ranking officials in the Finnish government as a miracle worker. A squeeze as Christ. Apparently, a Finnish official had mentioned Felix. his skills to Heinrich Himmler, after Himmler had complained about his chronic stomach issues.
Starting point is 00:33:30 So in March of 1939, Felix got a message that he was to travel to Berlin immediately to give Heinrich Himmler a massage. Oh, I must go and get all of my lube. I must be so slippery for the furor's number two. Incredibly, as Felix's hands Needed and pressed upon Himmler's horrible little body Felix found the nerve centers That caused Himmler's stomach cramps Himmler meanwhile jabbered on during the massage About how his stomach troubles robbed him of the energy
Starting point is 00:34:05 That he needed to do his quote unquote important work Yeah, I can feel it right here It's in the shoulder in the right shoulder Do you write forms ordering gas with this side I can feel it in here. Is it too much you think? I'm kind of thinking that can you switch to stamps?
Starting point is 00:34:24 Instead of writing it out, maybe you could switch to the left hand because I can feel on this side because this is more for, ooh, I feel this. This is your slapping juice side, right? Yeah. Yeah, I can feel like the,
Starting point is 00:34:35 yeah, I can feel the joy here. It's over here. I can see that you're bunched up by schedules. Two of these schedules I do. Right? Yes. Let me get in there. Oh, my best.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Now remember, this is early 1939. This is before the invasion of Poland. It's before the Einzad's group. It's before the worst of the Holocaust. He had these ideas on the massage table? No, what I'm saying is that it's not like he had the ideas on the massage table, but Himmler was still a known quantity. He was known as the guy who hated Jews.
Starting point is 00:35:08 But Felix knew nothing about Himmler's so-called important work, because Felix didn't care about politics. And sure enough, by the end of that first session, Felix had eased Himmler's pain for the first time in Himmler's miserable life, thereby enabling Himmler to fully focus on the task at hand. That task, of course, was the Holocaust. Oh, okay, Felix.
Starting point is 00:35:36 All better now. Oh, yeah, I can write. many more forms now. It's true. I know. It's true. I just sitting here picturing this guy because it was belly hurt. So I just picture I'm just rubbing his belly a bunch. Like it's not even like a good massage.
Starting point is 00:35:55 I make his belly talk. I hate it. I love to choose. It sounds like you. It's surprising and even acting. It sounds like you. Now for Heinrich Kimler, Felix's massages were a confirmation of his beliefs regarding modern medicine. Nazis on the
Starting point is 00:36:10 whole regarded 20th century medicine as a degenerate science because of the influence of Jewish doctors. So Nazis were all about alternative medicine and homeopathic remedies. In fact, Felix Kirsten said that Hamler was fully intending to force his own personal medicinal beliefs on the entire Reich after the war. If Heinrich Kempler had his way, there would be no chemical treatments of any kind and definitely no vaccines. It sounds like a really great.
Starting point is 00:36:38 I actually wonder, and they have actually heard some good ideas. so basically if we had enough time, they would have just died off on their own. Eventually, yeah, they would have. Mumps would have taken this whole bitch-ass to them out. Instead, the people under the Third Reich's boot would use herbs, crystals, and massage treatments to treat anything and everything, including broken bones and cancer. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Like many of today's homeopathic influencers, Hemler's philosophy was heal his way. or die. It's like, say what you want about the Jews, but use the doctors. You know, use the dentists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, I mean, look at Kanye. You know, he hates the Jews and all this shit.
Starting point is 00:37:25 But if he wasn't such a, if you didn't hate Jews so much, he would have been able to find a good Jewish doctor to give his mom that boob job. Disgusting. Disgusting. Now, because Felix Kirsten was able to treat Himmler's cramps, Himmler insisted That's the name of his book
Starting point is 00:37:46 Mind cramps Himmler insisted that Felix remained in his exclusive service every day for as long as Himmler wished As a carrot Himmler even gave Felix the rank of colonel in the SS Complete with a uniform in salary
Starting point is 00:38:00 Which had to have burned the asses Of so many SS men Oh also it's not easy to massage people In one of those outfits Yeah all the jingling metals I really try to take me out of my Zen point. But as the months went by and Felix's techniques got even more in tune with Himmler's body, Himmler began to relax and he began to soften.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Felix therefore basically became Heinrich Himmler's confessor. And Felix was suddenly privy to all of the horrible things that Heinrich Himmler was doing and planning. Just like Danny Iello from Jacob's Ladder. Yeah. Interestingly, Felix noted that whenever Himmler got worked up about, about the Jews... God damn Jews!
Starting point is 00:38:42 I get some... That's... That's when his pain and his cramps would be at their worse. So that understands me, Felix. I know, these Jews, they just get on top of you.
Starting point is 00:38:53 They get in your head. You got the letter. Do you feel you hold your head in your shoes in your shoulders? Actually, Felix, sometimes he'd be like, he's like, you know what? I actually have some Jewish clients.
Starting point is 00:39:04 They're actually very nice. And then Himmler would fucking flip out on him. And that's when he learned that, like, yeah, that's when he learned who Himmler was. Oh, he's just like, oh, you really don't like Jews. Yeah. But even so, Felix was always there to make Himmler's tummy feel better after the nasty Jews got him into a tizzy. So Himmler, very often listened whenever Felix Kirsten talked.
Starting point is 00:39:29 As such, Felix's role in the war is complicated, to say the least. While he did give the second most powerful man in Nazi Germany the peace and stability, he needed to organize the holocaust, Felix also did whatever he could to save lives once he realized that he had the power to do so. Felix used his influence on Himmler to have prisoners freed from the concentration camps whenever possible, and at the end of the war, Felix would play a pivotal role in slowing down the mass murder of the Jews, thereby saving the lives of an estimated tens of thousands of people. The masseur.
Starting point is 00:40:08 And all it took was about I would say two dozen carefully placed happy endings. And that really shaped the end policies. Do you feel my bandage? Oh yeah, that's the gift. I'll tell you
Starting point is 00:40:25 honestly, okay, if you drink eight ounces of water every 40 minutes, you'll stop hitting those juice by Wednesday. I don't want to hear anything. Shosh. I got to hit this bowl.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Now, while Felix Kirsten was tending to Heinrich Himmler's health in 1942, Adolf Hitler's bodily functions were nosediving, and Himmler was taking special note of every ailment. Couldn't help but notice you're sick. See, even though Himmler was terrified of Adolf Hitler, he still coveted the position of furor. So, for Himmler, the path of least resistance towards that goal would be Hitler dying of natural causes, which seemed more and more likely as the war dragged on.
Starting point is 00:41:14 See, by 1942, Adolf Hitler, by the way, Adolf Hitler had syphilis. Oh, we know. Yeah, I did. And it was untreated. Isn't it all like, because so many things said about him. About his life and what in his health and shit, right? Like, there's many, many things said about it. The one ball is the one that I always think of.
Starting point is 00:41:31 Yeah. Is that true? As far as I know, I'm going to say it is. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That idea that I got bitten off by a Jewish goat. I don't know if that's true. I don't know how they get down if it's Jewish. It depends on the goat's mother. There's a ton of stuff about Hitler. You know, there's also, you know, there's the fact that Hitler was a meth head. And it was constant, you know, everyone's seen the footage of him at the Olympics, like just tweaking his ass off, rocking back and forth. We know he was on meth. We know that. Pervetin. He was on Perveton.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Like, actually, his personal doctor was the guy who. created Purvitin, the fucking meth that all of the Nazis were on. Yeah, he like, the doctor used to like inject him with belladonna and Stricknine because Hitler also had really bad stomach cramps. Sometimes he'd give him
Starting point is 00:42:18 bull semen. Like, just whatever. Oh, yeah. Your old fashion way. And everyone was like, really like that's what it said is that Hitler's doctor was the best friend the allies ever had. Oh man. That's the one thing I know about bull semen and stricnine. Not Jewish medicine. That is true. That sounds
Starting point is 00:42:34 very Aryan. Yeah, yeah. But also, great tasting menu there. Have ever been to bullsemen and a stick nine? That's amazing. Yeah, I like bullsemen.
Starting point is 00:42:43 It's one of the few semen you could fry up. No, Adolf Hitler's untreated syphilis began showing symptoms by 1942. Insomnia, dizziness, headaches, progressive paralysis. And by 1943,
Starting point is 00:42:58 Hitler was showing signs of Parkinson's disease. This could be seen clearly in the final footage that was shot of Hitler, where his hand is shaking like there's a motor attached to it while he was talking to a group of Hitler youth just before
Starting point is 00:43:10 the bad day in the bunker. It's all that hiling. Yeah, too much highling. Carpal tunnel hike and slike He waved at so many people. He couldn't stop at the end. But as Hitler's health began to devolve
Starting point is 00:43:28 alongside the Nazi war effort, with the Americans pushing into Italy from Africa, the British destroying city after city and bombing campaigns and the Soviet standing strong in Stalingrad Hitler retreated to the most nerderly named Nazi clubhouse yet. This military
Starting point is 00:43:44 outpost located in the forests of East Prussia was called, without irony, the wolf slayer. Yeah, the old tails wag vanisi Hitler. It sounds like a furry club. Yeah, it does. It does. Sounds like it sounds like a place where you buy dice.
Starting point is 00:44:01 This is where my dog sleep. Once Hitler retreated, to the wolf slayer, he didn't go outside, he didn't exercise, and he only received his ministers, trusted men like Goring, gerbils, and of course, Himmler. Himmler, however, was not the only one who could see that the cheese was sliding off Hitler's cracker. Goring, in particular, was trying to position himself to take over his furor, but Himmler remained cautious, and did his best to stay out of the machinations of the other top Nazis whenever he visited the Wolfslayer. Now, as the Russian counterattack kept going badly for the Nazis on the Eastern Front,
Starting point is 00:44:36 it became quite obvious that the Soviets were going to begin retaking land. Once retaken, the Soviets were going to very quickly discover what the Einzatzgruppen had done in the wake of the initial Nazi advance, and in the years since the Nazis had occupied the land. And they were going to be like, great idea! Yeah, I was going to say, would they even care? No, no, no, well, they do bad. The Soviets? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:59 They killed everybody. It's the wanton killing of want of women and children. Yeah, they cared quite a bit. And we'll show later on just how much they cared and how they showed their displeasure to the German people. Well, the top Nazis began discussing how to remove any traces of the mass executions that have been carried out by the Einzatzgruppen between 1939 and 1943. And the best idea they had was dreamed up by a Nazi with the ridiculous name of Paul Blobel. But in contrast to the hilarious name, Blobel was actually one of the worst of Himmler's men.
Starting point is 00:45:35 I actually don't know why you thought my name would make me better. I don't know why you thought all that you should raise your expectations for me. My name's Mr. Blobor. Let me put some more blubber in your mouth there, Mr. Blubble. I'm honestly so sad. I don't know if I could commit atrocities today. I'm really nodded to it. I need to make a mental health break from my atrocities.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Here, enjoy another fat word. Thank you. I don't bite. Well, in addition to pioneering the use of the gas vans and organizing the massacre at Bobby Yard, that's, by the way, the worst single massacre in all of World War II. Thank you. Global had also developed the concentration camp gas chambers. Well, yeah. Well, why don't you read all my credits?
Starting point is 00:46:23 I actually don't have time to go through all the horrible things that Blobill did. I know. But since Blubel had made the mess, he was given the job of cleaning it up. Blobel's best idea was to just burn the millions of corpses in a series of ghastly bonfires. So he began stacking the corpses with railroad ties and soaking the piles in gasoline.
Starting point is 00:46:48 But this open-air cremation system caused health problems for everyone involved, and the massive amount of bodily fluids leaking from the corpses seeped so deeply into the ground that it began to poison the water wells fucking idiots well what are you going to do you gotta get rid of them I say don't kill him in the first place
Starting point is 00:47:08 you know that would be better controversial that's me though yeah I'm a pussy now the Nazis very much needed a solution here because in February of 1943 the Nazis were at long last defeated in the battle of Stalingrad the bloodiest battle in human history
Starting point is 00:47:25 Stalingrad had consumed 1.8 million lives. Jesus fucking Christ. But the Soviets had come out on top and the Nazis were fully in retreat. Seeing the writing on the walls, Heiner Kamler contacted Paul Blobel and told him to redouble his efforts in destroying any evidence of genocide
Starting point is 00:47:44 that had been committed by the Einzatzgruppen on Himmler's orders. So in August of 1943, Blubel returned to the Bobby Yarr Ravine in Kiev, where he began unearthed, the mass graves and burning the bodies because after trying dynamite again to gruesome effect i just keep trying i'm sorry it's kind of fun for me i got all this dynamite i got to move open air cremation was still the best idea any of them could come up with health hazards be damned
Starting point is 00:48:13 bobble had a team of 64 people working around the clock to destroy the corpses that the nazis had dumped in bobby yar and even though he managed to exhume and destroy an estimated estimated 125,000 corpses, he didn't even come close to destroying all of the evidence of Einstein's group and activities by the time the Nazis retreated from Russia. Seriously, you guys got to calm down. You're wanting to do all this. He did have to call up Hamler and be like, oh, I'm really sorry. I just didn't get it done in time.
Starting point is 00:48:49 It's just like, it's a lot. It's a lot of bodies. There's a lot. The holidays are coming up. Let me come back around. Let's catch up to this. Let's circle around. You want to circle around.
Starting point is 00:49:03 You want to circle around. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Send the message to my assistant. She said circle round. I'll have my booker reach out to that. We've got to circle back January Q1.
Starting point is 00:49:21 The Heinrich Kempler, meanwhile, is very, much starting to realize that if anyone was going down for this whole Holocaust thing, it was going to be him. So, in May of 1944, Himmler did what any good fascist criminal does when the walls are closing in. He made everyone
Starting point is 00:49:37 else complicit. Time to me to make like Mary Lou Retton and flip. Oh, he's not flipping yet. Not yet. This is not... But he's already in there. He's stretching the cabs. He's stretching the cabs. He's waiting. He's trying to figure out how to
Starting point is 00:49:53 flip. Yeah. See, while the Nazis did talk a lot in public about getting rid of the Jewish people, the final solution itself was not openly talked about very often. Because that would be make them all criminally liable. Yep. And if it was, it was rarely discussed in explicit terms amongst the top Nazi brass. I mean, yeah, the Einzatz group and guys talked about it. You know, the guys at Auschwitz, they talked about it. But you could say that, like, that's just them daydreaming and having fun. But Heinrich Kemmer gave a speech to all of the top. Nazi officials in which he defended his decision to continue exterminating Jews no matter what, saying that all Nazis were, quote, forced to come to the grim decision that these people
Starting point is 00:50:34 must be made to disappear from the face of the earth. But the point of this speech, really, was that there was now no top Nazi who could say that he didn't know exactly what Heinrich Kimler had been doing in the name of the Nazi party. And they all go, when he said he'll go, no, no. He's been He's been killing Jews Killing the I thought they went
Starting point is 00:50:58 on a big field where they were just run and play Sorry, Vin, did we stop with some Madagascar plan? I saw that was the idea That's the best event Honestly, I just knew
Starting point is 00:51:08 that the lemurs were too fun for them to mix with the Jews We didn't want the most singing songs And learning group dances It's far too Yeah But in other words It was now in every
Starting point is 00:51:21 Top Nazi's best interest to either help Himmler cover up what he'd done or do whatever they could to avoid defeat because the hidden message behind Himmler's speech was that if I'm going down all you fuckers are going down with me Oh yeah the ultimate Nazi Did we know what was happening at this point?
Starting point is 00:51:41 Yeah and we were just ignoring it or was it because I'm very like it's confusing to me because I see certain things movies that are like oh apparently the Germans are killing Jews and no one had any idea until they actually showed up to a concentration camp.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Watch the Ken Byrne series, America and the Holocaust. It's like three parts. It's really fucking devastating, but it is incredible, and it will answer every question that you have. Because I know you haven't had enough. Yeah, no, I need another 12-hour series to really get the answer to share. And this
Starting point is 00:52:13 one's going to make you feel really bad about your own country, too. Instead of just humanity as a whole. Well, I know we turned them all away when they tried to come here. Oh, yeah, buddy. Now, the Soviet retaking territory after territory in the east was bad enough. But on June 6th, 1944, time to feel good again. The Allies pulled off the largest single amphibious invasion in history, D-Day.
Starting point is 00:52:35 And with the invasion of France, the Nazis were now fighting a war on two fronts. With that, the Nazis were well and truly fucked. And none of the top Nazis feared the Allied invasion more than Heinrich Himmler. He had been, to say the least, a very bad boy. And he knew that the world just wasn't going to get what he was trying to accomplish. So, Himmler basically began cleaning up for when company finally arrived. Because he knew someone was going to have to be in charge after all this shit goes down. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Yeah, somebody's got to be there to restart the German government. Mm-hmm. On July 29th, just after D-Day, Hamler decided to shut down his research institute, the Ananerebe. And that must have really hurt for him. It really did. See, while the Ananarba had started with archaeological digs, and study groups dedicated to the Icelandic edda, they had, by the end of the war,
Starting point is 00:53:26 become deeply enmeshed in building a Jewish skeleton collection sourced from various human experiments that Himmler had overseen. They needed better identify who was Jewish and who wasn't. Because they actually found that there were actually quite a few Jews who had blonde hair and blue eyes. So they were like, what we need to do? They actually said, like, we need to get 124 Jewish skulls for skeletons, And we need them to be very pristine.
Starting point is 00:53:54 And then we can figure out exactly how we can tell who's Jewish and who's not. God, they just wasted so much fucking time. I know they did a lot of other horrible things, but I just like, the rational part of me is like, what do you do it? Yeah. It's because hate blinds them. Hate blinds them. And you think it's like when you go record shopping where they don't want to just order any Jewish skeleton off the internet. They want to find one.
Starting point is 00:54:15 They want to find a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. it's about the hunt yeah yeah yeah and did they find anything was different um no of course not yeah as far as far as i know yama cadence yeah that's different that it's a whole that's that's another
Starting point is 00:54:29 depends on what kind of jewish person you are well it was all based on phrenology you know the the fucking pseudoscience where it's like the shape of your head the shape of your skull predicts all of your behavior even predicts like what jobs you'll be good at you know it's stupid jango unchanged shit Exactly, yeah, and the Nazis were full believers in that, and the Jewish skeleton collection was an outcropping of phrenology. But when Himmler had the Ananeraba evacuated, he had his scientists hide all their research files in an actual cave called Little Devil's Hole
Starting point is 00:55:02 near the village of Pottenstein for later retrieval. Because, as we're about to find out, Heinrich Himmler was nothing, if not an optimist. He fully believed that he could something, somehow weather the coming storm if only he could position everything in just the right light. And once he'd pull that off, his scientist would be able to return to their so-called research once the heat had died down. Just him looking at the Holocaust being like, you're going to get over this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Everybody's going to get over this. We're going to really move. And then he was correct. That attitude, though, has gotten him where he was at this point. Yeah. It has. Just keep pushing forward. No matter what.
Starting point is 00:55:45 Just keep swimming. Now, most of the serious military minds in the Vermacht knew that the war was unwinnable after D-Day, and they saw absolutely no point in continuing the fight. But they also knew that the war was going to drag on for as long as Adolf Hitler was in power. Fighting to the death was actually kind of Hitler's dream anyway. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:06 It's like if a pilot always wanted to go crashing his plane. And that's why he refused to leave Berlin, right? well yeah i mean he went he went to berlin because partly because that's he had nowhere else to go and you know that's just he knew that was the place of last resort and he knew that the russians would have to kill as many people as possible if he was right in the center of berlin then they would have to kill everyone to get to hitler because the big reason why so many germans have believed that they were quote unquote stabbed in the back with their surrender after world war one is because while the Great War seemed to be going well in the eyes of the average soldier on
Starting point is 00:56:43 the ground in 1990, soldiers like Adolf Hitler himself, Germany's generals had gamed out the whole thing and had rightfully seen that the Great War was unwinnable. So rather than needlessly waste lives on pride, the Germans surrendered in 1919 to spare the German people the continuation of a war that would have destroyed all of Germany for no reason at all. Hitler, of course, of the exact opposite mindset. Sequel's always worse. Yep. If victory for Germany was impossible,
Starting point is 00:57:15 then Hitler was going to take Germany all the way down to the depths of hell with him as he melted down. Because if fascist leaders are good at anything, it's temper tantrums. That's actually how they describe Hitler much of the time. He's got the temperament of a toddler. He throws tantrums constantly,
Starting point is 00:57:34 and he's always been that way. Yeah, that's how he's depicted in most movies. And so, in order to try to spare the total destruction of Germany in World War II, a group of senior Nazis decided to finally take Hitler out with a time bomb briefcase planted in the Wolfslayer in what came to be known as Operation Valky. Yeah. Now, the briefcase planted by a colonel named Klaus Philip Maria Justinian Scheng Graf von Stauffenberg. This is the problem.
Starting point is 00:58:02 They need to be concentrating on names by concentrating on assassinating Hitler. You can't decide if you're Santa Claus. Start writing blueprints for how to kill Adler. Are you Maria? Like, holy fucking shit. Concentrate a little bit. The briefcase was tragically pushed away from Hitler completely by accident after von Stauffenberg set the timer. Another Nazi took the brunt of the blast and Hitler came away with only minor injuries.
Starting point is 00:58:29 It really is a quirk of history. There were 10 minutes between the time that he set the timer and the time that the bomb went off. And someone just, oh, this briefcase is in the way. and moved it. That's so fucking annoying. It really is. Two suitcases. Six suitcases.
Starting point is 00:58:45 You're going to have to blow up the room you're in. Sorry, guys. Everybody's got to go. Yeah, maybe just strap it to your chest. I don't know. Sorry, guys. Heinrich Himmler, of course, was tasked with finding the assassins. Himmler learned the identities of the conspirators and had them arrested and executed the very
Starting point is 00:59:05 next day. Hitler was characteristically furious, but the attempted assassination had only served to shrink the circle of people that Hitler trusted to an even smaller number. And didn't Hitler love Von Stauffenberg? He did. Von Stauffenberg was one of the most respected soldiers in all of Germany. Everyone loved von Stauffenberg. It really broke his heart. It did.
Starting point is 00:59:27 See, that is the guy he trusted. No, and that is the thing about Hitler is that, yeah, near the end, like he's just, why is everybody? turning on me everybody's mad at me as if i started a war with the world it's like the whole world is angry with me and my actions do you think that those nazis weren't Nazis or do you think that they were just trying to like save face for when this all came crashing down can it all be one the guys in operation valcary yeah complicated answer uh because there were a lot of germans in the Verimacht, who hated the Nazis, hated Hitler, but they kind of justified staying in the war because they said that they were fighting for the German people and they were doing everything
Starting point is 01:00:14 they could to try to save as many German lives as possible. They said, if I abandoned my people, then all of these boys are going to die. But on the other hand, that also meant that they were fighting for Adolf Hitler at the end of the day. So it's like the trainers at SeaWorld. Yeah. Actually, it's almost exactly like that. Yeah. It's like the people. build a bear as a builder bear. Making these soulless autonomous automatons and go live life and then die and go to hell, but they'll never be saved by the
Starting point is 01:00:41 Christ. I'm starting to feel guilty, selling all these bears. It's releasing them into the world to be tortured and then buried alive. Now outwardly, Himmler was still acting as if the Nazis would never be defeated. He began leaning hard on
Starting point is 01:00:59 Werner von Braun's V-2 rockets as Nazi Germany's savior. But while those designs would eventually take America to the moon after we scooped up von Braun in Operation Papercliff, the V2 rockets wouldn't do dick to help the Nazis win the war. Sure, it'd kill a lot of British people, but did not do anything to take and hold land. That's why I like those V3 rockets. Well, as such, the Allied forces kept gaining momentum. And as they took more land and began liberating more concentration camps, the machinery of Himmler's genocide was becoming more. and more difficult to operate.
Starting point is 01:01:35 See, it was obvious by spring of 1944 that the Allied forces were definitely going to find Auschwitz. And Himmler knew that once they discovered the full extent of that horror show, there was going to be no coming back for the Third Reich. Ooh!
Starting point is 01:01:51 Which one is left? Oh, that's fine. Oh, that one's fine. Bougainwald is fine. Oh, no! You know, they say hindsight is 2020. not for me though you know you make that joke but he kind of made that argument
Starting point is 01:02:07 later on to a Jew ah yeah a Himmler great himler also knew that his name would be the first one given to allied forces as the man who gave most of the direct orders for genocide
Starting point is 01:02:21 but Himmler was as I said an optimist and at the end of the day Himmler really just didn't want to die whether it be by an enemy bullet or at the end of a noose Yeah, he was a coward. Yeah. So even though he knew that the Third Reich was fucked,
Starting point is 01:02:35 he convinced himself that a few goodwill gestures would be enough to rehabilitate his personal reputation, even though announcements had already been made that war crime trials were coming for all top Nazis as soon as the war was over. And it's at this point in the story that we see the return of Heinrich Himmler's masseur, Felix Kirsten. See, Felix really was an incredible massage therapist
Starting point is 01:02:58 with high-powered clients. So he did actually have a lot of connections to officials and foreign governments. In fact, Felix Kirsten had been contacted by special American envoys on orders from none other than Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1943. Why does this feel like telling Kate O'Khalan to go kill Saddam Hussein? You know what are we doing here? Why are we involving this man? Because he's the only, he is the one who has Himmler's ear. He's the only one who has a direct line to Himmler.
Starting point is 01:03:27 And people know Himmler listens to Felix. Yeah, and, you know, maybe FDR just was like, hey, maybe he could help with my scolios? It was polio. It was polio. And his favorite, actually, his favorite treatment for his polio was going down to the hot springs in Georgia. And he actually founded a whole polio kind of getaway for kids down there. Yeah, that's where he'd get pegged. I thought that was Eleanor's girlfriend, man.
Starting point is 01:03:58 Oh, yeah. Got her! No, Eleanor had her own cottage up in upstate New York. Yeah, it was right next to FDR's house. You can actually see it from the other building. Yeah, her pussy palace. Yeah. Well, the reason why FDR had sent this envoy is because he wanted to see if Heinrich Himmler wanted to negotiate the end of the Third Reich in 1943, when it became obvious that there was just no talking to this Hitler guy.
Starting point is 01:04:25 Yeah, and Himmler was just, oh, what a great guy. I guess that's the problem, too, is you do kind of, it's this normal. normalization. You're going to still treat it like it's just some other government. Well, you're just trying anything you can at this point. Like he's really trying anything that you can. We give Eddie and I love to make fun of
Starting point is 01:04:42 FDR, but he did do his best. He did. He's one of our best presidents. Yeah. He is. Yeah. I just like, it's just fun to randomly attack him. Of course. Yeah, he did some horrible things, but he also did some absolutely incredible things as well. Yeah. He's still a president. Yeah. You know, they're still a piece of shit
Starting point is 01:04:58 because he became a president. Yeah, yeah. All of them are criminals. Yeah, anybody's a president. It's a monster. Now, Heinrich Kempler had scoffed at the idea of negotiating with the allies when Felix first approached him with it. But after Germany's last attempt at a Western offensive failed with the Battle of the Bulge, and as the Soviets inched ever closer to Berlin from the east, Heinrich Kempler decided that maybe it was time to revisit his masseur's connections in 1945. Now, Himmler was not the only top Nazi
Starting point is 01:05:30 trying to negotiate with the Allied forces in the last year of the war. That's my favorite that they all ran to go to negotiate. Quite a few of them did. And when we're, I mean, at this point, yeah, like, you know, Rudolph Hess had already flown to Scotland to try to negotiate the end of the war.
Starting point is 01:05:45 Like, you know, a lot of the guys would be like, I mean, we can figure this out. He said, him just sort of me like, I've always loved Scotland. I, there's a law of the highlands. Nothing to replace the highlands, you know. When word of these negotiations, Recessations reached Hitler
Starting point is 01:05:59 Hitler announced that any German Who helped the British, the Americans, or the Jews They would be executed But Himmler was far better at hiding his negotiations than others Or at least he was for the time being He got real close See Hitler and Himmler had a little meeting at the Wolfslayer Just after Hitler heard that some of his men were negotiated
Starting point is 01:06:18 Come with me to the Cub house You should say the Cub house? I like that Yeah And Himmler immediately after gave the order that no concentration camp inmate in the southern half of Germany should fall into enemy hands alive. But while Hitler was obviously trying to just take as many people with him as he could, as he possibly could, especially if they were Jewish, the Nazi fever was finally breaking.
Starting point is 01:06:44 And many of the concentration camp commandants were finally realizing that they were about to be in a lot of trouble. No, we're really not supposed to be doing that. I'm going to say, honestly, since the very beginning of this whole thing, I felt weird. You know, this whole thing just seemed kind of off. Yeah, I didn't thought to say anything. It's hard to say if, you know, everyone's into it. But I, now, in hindsight, in 2020, 20, yeah. Hindsight!
Starting point is 01:07:15 High-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-sight! Well, because these concentration camp command dots had seen what was common, the concentration camp deaths had therefore, gun to slow down considerably despite the Killamol order. And Himmler, likewise, decided that he was going to use the remaining 200,000 Jews still being held in concentration camps as bargaining chips to save his own skin. Now, this was where I'm confused, because I'm pretty sure that when the concentration camps were shutting down, didn't that when the death marches started and they just started
Starting point is 01:07:49 killing everyone? It is highly complicated and a lot of different things happened. Like, many different things happen. Like, many things can be true all at once. Like, Himmler did want to use Jews as bargaining chips, but there was also certain concentration camps like Auschwitz who's like empty out Auschwitz, but they just put these people on death marches to other camps. To move them away from where the soldiers were coming.
Starting point is 01:08:11 Yeah, because they're trying to hide them. They're trying to hide the, and it really is like, and they're doing it in a panic because they're like, I don't know what the fuck, just take them somewhere else, just taking somewhere else. Yeah. And that's, you know, they're trying to, what they were trying to, what they were trying to do is they were trying to hide them. Yeah, and basically it also, it's like they're all witnesses.
Starting point is 01:08:27 Yes, they're all witnesses. And remember, there are thousands of concentration camps. Yeah. And every single concentration camp, Commandant, is thinking, I'm probably on chopping block. But maybe mine's the worst one. Yeah. Well, that is, unfortunately. How it eventually
Starting point is 01:08:43 worked out. Oh, yeah. But while Himmler was trying to formulate a plan to save himself, Adolf Hitler dropped just about the biggest pile of shit possible directly on the Heinrich Himmler's plate. Number two. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:55 With so many of Hitler's top military men, either captured, dead, or an open negotiation with the Allies, Hitler gave direct command of the Air Force to Herman Goring, while command of the ground forces were turned completely over to Heinrich Himmler. Now, Goring had actually been in the military in World War I. He was a hero pilot, but Heinrich Himmler had never served in the military in any capacity, aside from the scant training he'd received as a teenager. major. So his short reign as a military strategist was predictably disastrous. To try and make up for his lack of military expertise, Himmler enlisted a staff of SS men to advise him. But if you'll
Starting point is 01:09:35 remember, the SS was a para-military force. Yeah, they're all faking it. Yeah. So none of his advisors had any on-the-ground military experience either. It's all fucking theoretical to them. See, Heinrich Kimler was incredibly good at organizing mass murder. He was very good at killing people. But according to soldiers under his command, he was incapable of keeping people alive, incapable of understanding the logistics of moving men and supplies, incapable of knowing how many men were needed to hold a position. Himmler's biggest fuck-up, for example, was his withdrawal of Nazi forces from the precise place where the red army was pushing through into Germany. These forces, the last remaining Nazis who could actually
Starting point is 01:10:15 fight, were ordered to retreat to just outside of Berlin, or they were ordered to defend concentration camps that were likely to fall into allied hands. Again, to cover up for Himmler's crimes. And it's a way to look like he's trying to do the utmost to save Hitler at the very, very end. He's such a fucking bitch. Yeah. The Nazis on the Red Army Front were disastrously replaced with inexperienced
Starting point is 01:10:38 cadets and members of the Volkstrom, the so-called People's Army, that was mostly made up of old men and children. These replacements were, of course, slaughtered by the Reds, who content. their unstoppable march towards Berlin. But even though Himmler was a terrible military commander, he was still the second most powerful man in the Third Reich. And while he was certainly doing his best to cover up his war crimes, just in case, he was still absolutely convinced,
Starting point is 01:11:07 even in 1945, that he could pull off some miracle that would both win the war and put Himmler in the position of Fuhrer. Is it just, yeah, it just, wow, they're so confident. Well, he's delusional. You got to remember, this guy's been delusional his entire life. It's always work for him. Yeah, the way he sees that he's always seen the world in a way that nobody else sees it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:32 That's why I was such a bad farmer. Yeah. Got to use water. Can't use gatorade. And so, in the final months of the war, Himmler became obsessed with a scheme to build a bizarre electrical weapon based on the fantasies surrounding Norse mythology that had been nurtured by his bogus Anerba research.
Starting point is 01:11:53 All of this, God, this just makes me want to play Wolfenstein all over again. Oh, yeah. It's like Doom, but with Nazis. It's so much more fun. It's made by the same people. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I love Wolfenstein so much.
Starting point is 01:12:07 See, Heinrich Kimler really did believe that the story of Thor's Hammer, Mjolnar, was an actual history involving a sophisticated piece of electrical engineering that the ancient Aryans had developed as a weapon. And this isn't like during the heady days of 1935 when everything is just sort of like theoretical. Like this is when Nazi Germany is rubble
Starting point is 01:12:28 and he still believes in this shit. So Himmler ordered his staff to stop at nothing to build a modern version of Mjolner that would shut down all the electrical systems of the Allied forces, which admittedly wasn't the worst idea because this is actually possible with electromagnetic pulses, EMPs. If you could figure that out.
Starting point is 01:12:47 Yeah. But the company that Himmler with building the modern Milner, a company called Elamag, they did not have the brains to pull it off. In what's probably the most Nazi scientist shit that I've ever heard, the Elamag engineers said that they could transform
Starting point is 01:13:04 the Earth's atmosphere into a giant remote control that can turn off all of the allies' electrical equipment. And then, people use the whole powerful rewind button to push back to Allied advance and then we will use the pause button
Starting point is 01:13:24 and then we will use the tracking button in order to possibly more clearly see where they are located and then we use guns and bombs. They've gone full space balls at this point. They went from suck
Starting point is 01:13:40 to blow. Well, Elamag actually drew up blueprints for this idea. That's easy to do. Yeah. I draw you fucking big old, fucking remote control on a piece of white paper. It's easy. And Himmler took Elamag's ideas to the SS
Starting point is 01:13:56 Technical Office, who studied the blueprints for weeks. They eventually had to tell Himmler that it was all just a fantasy, but Himmler refused to accept it. He got a second opinion from an expert on electromagnetism who very gently, very, very gently,
Starting point is 01:14:12 told Heiner Kimler that the Elamag engineers were... Kissing his hands, kissing Yes. I love you so much. I love your hate so much. They very gently told Himmler that the Elinag engineers were basically talking out of their ass. So Himmler was forced to abandon his quest for Germany's Mjolnar. Ironically though, Himmler was rushing to engineer a doomsday weapon at the end of the war when it was Heinrich Himmler himself who had turned down Werner Heisenberg's plans to build an atomic bomb years earlier in 19. This will be better than their stupid atomic bomb. It'd be better and bigger and more, it's more impressive because it's electric hours. Like forehead. We're unplugging the Allies. How cool is that?
Starting point is 01:15:01 How cool is that to send a static shock like when von Robs your feet on the carpet and you touch a balloon? How desperate and powerful were that? Powerful. End of word weapon be. Every static electricity, Sahel. up to the skies of every ally force. I don't know. That sounds Jewish, though. You heard of a Jew frow, right?
Starting point is 01:15:23 That just sounds like a big Jew fro to me. Are you accusing me of being Jewish by saying that? You Jew? Someone needs to get Felix in here. By the end of March, 1945, the Allied bombers had reduced both Berlin and Munich to rubble. And the Soviets were just 100 kilometers from Berlin. The Soviets had also been taking real. avenge along the way, committing unforgivable atrocities of their own as payback for what
Starting point is 01:15:53 Hitler and the Einzatzgruppen had done in the East. There is a harrowing documentary called, I think it's called Berlin 1945, that is shocking. Adolf Hitler, of course, had now come to blame every bad thing that had happened directly on Heinrich Himmler. I mean, it's fun. Yeah, I mean, well, finally. I mean, Hemler's been his bitching post for years, and so now he's become the focus point of Himmler's rage. Their relationship had quickly soured when it became obvious that Himmler was a terrible military commander, and Hitler, as a show of humiliation, had ordered that any forces under Himmler's command had to remove Hitler's name from their uniforms.
Starting point is 01:16:32 But I'm doing the shit, buddy! But while Hitler refused to capitulate no matter what terms were offered, and was very much determined to drag Germany into hell, no matter how deep it went, Heinrich Himmler, still very much wanted to live. By this point, he thought that he could shorten the war himself and pivot to a solely anti-Soviet stance.
Starting point is 01:16:55 Then he could position Germany no longer Nazi as a bulwark against the Russians, with Himmler in charge. Not a bad plan. It's really not. I mean, I hate him, but it's good plan. Well, the idea of thinking that we'd automatically be like, oh, sure, wasn't that far off either.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Well, I mean, well, Hamler sent this proposal to the allies, but the allies were by this point well aware of what Himmler had done as commander of the SS. So the allies basically said, are you fucking kidding me? And promptly turned down Himmler's offer. Like, yeah, we might do that, but it ain't going to be with you. No, we're going to
Starting point is 01:17:29 use far less effective Nazis to run your next government and they're going to ruin everything by not even being good at being not very good Nazis. Well, I mean, what they tried to do at first was to denotify everything. And they can't. But the problem was, is that when
Starting point is 01:17:45 they tried to deal like, oh yeah, let's just take all the Nazis out of the system. And then, you know, we'll restart the government. And they looked around and said like, oh, everyone was a Nazi. There's no one left to run. So then there's no one left to actually run this country. And there's no one left who know, and the people who are left don't know how anything works. So we're going to have to start playing a game of how bad of a Nazi value and how much can we fight wash this? And that's how, you know, Germany kind of was able to forget.
Starting point is 01:18:15 all the horrible things they'd done because so many people so so many people went unpunished after the war yeah but I will say like instead it's almost worse that we like instead of like getting them to help us kill the Russians we just gave half of them to Russia well I mean Berlin that's all East Germany
Starting point is 01:18:36 that's a whole different counterfeit all I know is is that if I was in charge I would have known exactly what to do and they should let me do it delete the country blank space fill it with various corporate entities the entire thing fast food nation
Starting point is 01:18:54 give it to Nestle give it to Nestle they love water they love there's so much fresh water there and so as the curtain finally began to fall on Nazi Germany Heinrich Kimler continued the job
Starting point is 01:19:07 that Hitler had given him as commander in chief of what was left of the Nazi Vermat after retreating to his luxurious villa between Berlin and the now-destroyed city of Dresden, Himmler treated command almost casually. He'd wake up at 8 a.m. and get a massage from Felix. He'd finally get around looking at the dreaded war reports around 11,
Starting point is 01:19:27 and then about noon, he'd eat lunch, and then he'd rest, because he needs his rest. I get it, stressful. And then he'd spend another hour, maybe two, on more war reports before dinner. And after dinner, he was reportedly in bed by 10 o'clock every night, And as one author put it, Himmler ensconced himself in his room like a terrified schoolboy attempting to escape the wrath of an authority that overwhelmed him. Hitler, meanwhile, was still focusing all of his wrath directly on Himmler,
Starting point is 01:19:59 to the point where some of Hitler's staff said that they had never seen Hitler rage so violently. And that's saying something about Himmler near the end. Hitler would say things like, quote, I do not like him. I do not want him around. me get him out of here everyone's like yeah we've been saying that yeah we're all him like bringing that up for a while yeah he sucks yeah god because Hitler man you're cool I don't care what he fucking says dude you're fucking awesome
Starting point is 01:20:31 thank you oh are you serious you know everyone says high and Hitler but everybody says nobody says nobody says how Hitler no Nobody says, cool Hitler. Nobody says Hitler. Oh, my God, you're so rad. Hitler, you know how to fuck me. No one ever said that once. Now, Heinrich Kempler finally lost his military command on March 20th, 1945.
Starting point is 01:20:59 But there really wasn't much left to command anyway. While the remaining Nazis have been ordered to stand their ground and fight to the death, no matter what, the hardened nationalist that had made up the Nazi Verimacht, they were fucking dead. the army was mostly made up of foreign conscripts, schoolboys, old men, and convicts. And so, with his command taken away in the Allied forces moving ever closer to victory, Heinrich Himmler decided that it was probably in his best interest to abandon his dream of becoming the furor in favor of trying to backtrack the Holocaust as much as possible.
Starting point is 01:21:35 Now, Hemler's masseur, Felix Kirsten, actually played an extremely important role here. He'd been working with allied forces to arrange safe transport to Dutch, French, and Jewish prisoners out of the concentration camps, and he managed the release of some 20,000 prisoners. Holy shit. Felix actually claimed to have slowed down the entire mechanism of mass murder single-handedly at the end. He said that he was the one that convinced Himmler to stop killing prisoners. But that's debatable. Felix was a...
Starting point is 01:22:08 Felix liked to overblow... He did play a big role, but he liked to say he played an even bigger one. He said, like, I saved every person in the Netherlands. I saved all of them. Because they were going to kill them. It's because he needed to because he was massaging Himmler every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All he had to do is stick his thumb right up Himmler's ass once.
Starting point is 01:22:28 Just make him come by prostate once. What is he going to do? But whether it was Felix's idea or not, Himmler did order his concentration camp commandant's. to halt all executions, surrender to the Allies, and freely give up their prisoners. Now, while Felix was doing his best to save as many concentration camp prisoners as possible, he also approached another Nazi general to try and convince him to team up with Himmler so they could convince Adolf, one way or another, to offer an armistice.
Starting point is 01:23:00 God, it's just such a... You're just trying to relax, okay? It's the end of the war. Do we have to talk work while you're massaging me? Does it always have to be us teaming up against Hitler? But even with everything lost, Himmler was still terrified of Hitler, because in the end, Himmler was quite simply a fucking coward in every way. Instead of standing up, Himmler assembled his staff, gave a nonsensical rambling speech,
Starting point is 01:23:27 and retired from all 11 of his commands. And you won't have Heimler to kick around anymore. I'm going to stop being. Angelina. Himmler then decided to create a more positive paper trail for himself by issuing a death penalty order to all concentration camp commandants who had allowed neglect, death, and despair to fester in the camps. Because Himmler was trying very much to frame it where none of this is my fault. Like I gave some orders, but these guys, Jesus, the camps had, in the words of Joseph Goebbels, and this is a bit of an understatement, They had all grown a bit above Himmler's head.
Starting point is 01:24:11 Oh, sure, yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, he's just like, what did you do? Are you kidding me? They're doing what? They're doing what? Good work. I can't believe you.
Starting point is 01:24:23 You're awful. Good job. It's kind of crazy because I actually gave orders to make distraction camps. That's fucking a biter. It distracts a prisoner's with fun times. like roller hockey and all sorts of hockey table of hockey
Starting point is 01:24:43 I'm thinking about celebrating Hanukkah this year and hockey was actually developed by the Native Americans A lot of people don't respect them I think of it was having issued the death penalty order Hamler in one of the balliest moves in human history he had Felix Kirsten arrange a meeting with the Swedish
Starting point is 01:25:03 representative of the world Jewish Congress, so Himmler could, in his own words, quote, bury the hatchet between us and the Jews. But I just want to make sure is that you don't hold any grudges. Because grudges, they make us unhealthy. And it's distressed. You want to let his go. You remember Felix?
Starting point is 01:25:25 Release. It's an amazing fox. You got to try, Felix. It's a lot of massaging, even for Felix. It's a lot of massaging. Now, this meeting dead lead to the release of. 20,000 people. But Himmler also used the meeting to attempt a whitewashing
Starting point is 01:25:40 of his role in the Holocaust. And he did this while speaking with the Jewish representative, a man named Norbert Masser. Nothing I love since my good buddy here, Votermench. I love my guy, but it's just so nice. You're going to have a nash. It's my best buddy and I, every sitting with cabits, and
Starting point is 01:25:57 we just talk about you. It's nothing so much fun to sit down and I got 20,000 Jews here, coming to you, it's a real mitzvah. They vote we can schlep zim here, Zatzebos? Slep is that Zavon?
Starting point is 01:26:13 Now, Norbert, does that the Jewish name? I like it? Amongst other lies and half-hearted justifications, Himmler said that the camp crematorium, big misunderstanding. Nobody gets what we're trying to do here.
Starting point is 01:26:28 Those crematoriums, especially the ones at Birkenau, they're only there to burn the people who died from typhus. When I heard crematorium, I said, yes, of course. And then next door to that we can have the yogurt factory. Because, of course, there's a healthier yo cream for some people. It's the whipped cream factory. Shut up.
Starting point is 01:26:52 Himmler also said that while horrible things had happened, occasionally, Himmler had punished those responsible. Everything that people had heard about the camps, Simler said, it's just allied propaganda, and all of it looked a lot worse than it really was. Like, you get these guys a shower? It'd be fine. God. Norbert Masser, of course, was astounded by Himmler's shallowness.
Starting point is 01:27:18 But nevertheless, he endured two and a half hours of conversation with the architect of the Holocaust in order to save lives. And he did. Now, two days after Himmler's meeting with Norbert Masser, Himmler met with a Swedish count. where Himmler insisted that Hitler would be dead within days. This wasn't a bad guess on Himmler's part, because this meeting took place just a week before Hitler bit the bullet in his bunker in Berlin. But the purpose of this meeting was so the Swedish count
Starting point is 01:27:47 could contact General Dwight D. Eisenhower to arrange for Germany's surrender to the Americans rather than the Soviet Union. Unfortunately for Himmler, though, the news of his attempt at brokering peace was made public. It hit the newspapers on April 28th. And when Hitler heard about it, he hit the fucking roof of that bunker. Oh, I could just see him hanging out of the ceiling just his shoulders. It said that Hitler actually turned red when he
Starting point is 01:28:19 found out about this, that his face became virtually unrecognizable in its fury, because Himmler was the one Nazi that Hitler had trusted most of all. Loyal Heinrich, he called him. And so, Hitler gave all of Himmler's responsibilities to Herman Goring, and he ordered Himmler's arrest. Himmler, however, wouldn't learn that Hitler knew of his betrayal until after Hitler's death, which came at long last with a suicidal bullet on April 30, 1945, just 10 days after Hitler's 56th birthday. It's a sad as fun Man, he looked bad for 56 He looked really bad
Starting point is 01:29:08 Well, I mean, he was a 56 year old meth head They don't look good But the other thing too is that Stress He was in the last few weeks He actually ran out of Purvitin So in Hitler's final days He was also going through meth withdrawals
Starting point is 01:29:22 On top of everything else Oh, that's why he turned red But they also had full on like orgies All the family started like fucking each other And shit It was like really Have you read about the deep? No, this isn't true
Starting point is 01:29:32 That is true. Honestly, there was a gigantic orgy amongst the soldiers. But Hitler wasn't there. No, he couldn't fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bunker orgy. Hitler. Yeah, this is the, yeah, it was the, the orgy of this was all, it was all the soldiers,
Starting point is 01:29:47 it was when the Russians finally combusted through. All the soldiers were like fucking and sucking each other while the families were there. And the families were murdered. The Germany officially surrendered to the Allied forces on May 7th. And while Hitler and Goebbels had escaped the upcoming military tribunals to punish Germany's war criminals through suicide, Garblis had also, of course, had his wife and all of his children commit suicide as well. Most of the top Nazis were still at large. One of the biggest prizes, of course, was Heinrich Himmler.
Starting point is 01:30:28 Now, Himmler was still fully delusional, but his delusions had just. shrunk with each passing day. Just after Hitler died, Himmler declared to his remaining staff that he was going to establish his own government to begin independent negotiations with the Allies. But when Germany surrendered without him,
Starting point is 01:30:47 Himmler shaved his mustache, changed out of his trademark glasses, put an eye patch over his right eye, and used the ID of a police officer named Heinrich Hitzinger to travel around. Hey, Lou, changed to me too. My nobs.
Starting point is 01:31:01 Hornyck. Why are you pretending to be a woman? No, I've never done. High voice, still a man. Just a bit of a high voice. Individuals, so. There's just little crimes here. Can't see him on the left side.
Starting point is 01:31:16 He didn't even bother to change his name. Oh, you can't remember to answer to another name. But they say that's actually what you want to do when you choose an alias. We want to choose somebody who has the same initials as you so you can keep your signature. And, of course, if they have the same first name as you, then yes, it makes a name. it easier to, you will always still answer to Heinrich. It's just like, there's many Heinrichs. Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
Starting point is 01:31:38 So he's H.H., and that's, you know, he then became more famous, became the wrestler Triple H. That's when he graduated. They didn't make any sense at all. That's not, you know, for years, I thought that's what Triple H's name was. There we go.
Starting point is 01:31:54 He's the same thing. My name's my name's Heinrich Hortinger. Well, then, Heiner Kimmler, with his mistress Hedwig Pothast and their two children in tow, he laid low in the town of Flensburg for a couple of days while his staff regrouped. Many of Himmler's men had actually fled to the Alps, and from there, they had planned to launch a Nazi guerrilla movement, codenamed Werewolf. We're Team Jacob.
Starting point is 01:32:25 Just be a gorilla. Nope. It's we're Werewolf. We're werewolves. Fairwolf. their castle But after just 11 days on the run Heinrich Himmler and his entourage were detained at a British checkpoint
Starting point is 01:32:41 Now the British didn't recognize Himmler because he totally changed his appearance Yes and I have a high voice now Because he's not unmistakably looking at all Yeah not to me But they had orders to arrest all German officers And Hamler's papers were suspicious Himmler eventually landed in front of a British captain named Thomas Salvesta. Sufferned, succotage.
Starting point is 01:33:07 And yes, it is Salvestor, not Sylvester. Thomas Salvesta, Captain Thomas Selvester at your service. He interrogated this small, sickly excuse for a human until he finally identified himself in a very meek tone as Heinrich Himmler. Yeah, I'm Heinrich Himmler. Sorry. you don't like my high voice you don't like this guy
Starting point is 01:33:33 not to wish I was this guy this is incredible he again tried to save himself he told Captain Selvester him told Captain Sylvester that he could offer the services of code name werewolf as guerrilla fighters
Starting point is 01:33:47 to get the battle against the Soviets going immediately but he could only do it if you let me talk to Vincent Churchill personally that's the only way to do it Me and him hanging out cigars.
Starting point is 01:34:01 You don't really, just, you're having a good time. What a bodily of a time. Me and him going down there, having a nice one, and keep calm. Carry on. You're right. You're right. But it has to be doing a full moon. Now, Captain Sylvester wanted to make sure that this was indeed Heinrich Himmler.
Starting point is 01:34:17 So he had his prisoners sign his name so they could compare handwriting from their records. Himmler, however, thought that Captain Sylvester was a fan and only wanted an autograph as a souvenir. Fucking schmuck. Himmler, however... You should see my whole my war crimes autographed book I have. Himmler, however,
Starting point is 01:34:34 kept dodging responsibility until the very end. When he was shown pictures of the mountains of corpses discovered at the Buchenwald camp, Himmler just glanced at the pictures,
Starting point is 01:34:44 shrugged, and asked, Am I responsible for the excesses of my subordinates? Just... Yes. Yes. I was the first time I'm hearing. This is the first time I'm hearing that,
Starting point is 01:34:55 okay? That's the very first time. Okay, so you don't fucking act like I should know Betz us the whole time when I should have known Betta, right? Maybe that says they do it in Britain, but not in Germany. Where do you think you are, you fucking shit that fucking... You think I'm a micromanager? Now, Hemler's British jailers had already searched him thoroughly
Starting point is 01:35:15 for cyanide capsules when they figured out who he was because they had just lost a different SS detainee who had killed himself by crushing a cyanide capsule between his teeth. They did not, however, search him. Himmler's mouth on the first go-round. I wouldn't either. Yeah, get away from him. Working off a hunch, the British searched him again.
Starting point is 01:35:35 But when they asked him to open his mouth, they saw a small black knob in a gap in Himmler's teeth. This, of course, was where Himmler had been hiding his cyanide capsule. And when the doctor examining Himmler reached for the vial, Himmler turned his head sharply and bit down on the doctor's finger, which, of course, crushed the vial as well. Wow, he must have been so. excited to finally do some violence.
Starting point is 01:35:59 Finally, yeah. But I just I feel so, for the doctor, like, hey, bit me! Him to have bit me! Ow! Oh, no, my could have turned into a Nazi when the four moon comes. Ow!
Starting point is 01:36:13 This is her. He was so bad at violence. The only time he actually committed any of it, he killed himself. Yeah. The medics tried for 15 minutes afterward to resuscitate the world's worst war criminal.
Starting point is 01:36:26 He even goes so far as to holding him upside down and shaking his body, just so Hitler could see justice. Dude, this is the fucking, when the father goes down, Papa Atradis, he bites the fake tooth and he splits into the mouth of the mentat. Was this the proper time to insert a Dune reference? I felt that my place here needs to be celebrated. You needed to be seen. Himmler does look like a baby Shy Hulood. That's cute. He did put the shy in shy Hulid.
Starting point is 01:37:04 Cry Hulud. But in the end, the cyanide capsule enabled Himmler to escape justice into the cold embrace of death. And so, after Himmler's fetid corpse rotted for two days on the floor of the room where he died, a medic made plaster casts of Himmler's head and removed his brain. Although we have no idea where the cast, nor where Himmler's brain ended up, or why they wanted them. They wanted it to hang out with JFK's brain, you know, just they need friends. And Hitler's brain. And they saved Hitler's brain.
Starting point is 01:37:40 Angela Merkin's riding it. Maybe that's what it is. Merkel, a Merkin is a pubic wave. Angela Merkin's fucking riding it, dude. Maybe that's what her breasts are made out of it. Hitler and Himmler's brains. Oh, wow. Yummy yum
Starting point is 01:37:56 Let's cut them off and see Yeah I'm starting to crack up Yeah we are But after the allies Got what they wanted Himmler's corpse was wrapped in army blankets Driven into the wilderness
Starting point is 01:38:17 And buried in an unmarked grave Somewhere outside the German town of Lundberg where it presumably remains to this day. Now, it bears repeating that the toll for World War II was exceedingly high. The Soviet Union alone lost 26 million people. That includes 15 million civilians. But out of the estimated 80 million who died worldwide,
Starting point is 01:38:43 it was Heinrich Himmler, who was personally responsible for more of those deaths than anyone else. Two million were killed in his concentration camps. while it's estimated that the 3,000 men who made up Himmler's Einzatzgruppen were responsible for the murders of up to 3.3 million people. On the high end of the estimates, that's 5.3 million people dead as a result of Heinrich Himmler's plans and orders. But the toll on the German people for believing the insane lies and ideas of Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Him, that was extraordinarily high as well.
Starting point is 01:39:22 this isn't, oh, think of the poor Germans, these are the consequences of fascism. On the low end, 2.2 million Nazi soldiers were killed during the war, although the number sometimes estimated to be as high as 5.2 million. That, of course, doesn't even count the German civilians. Somewhere between 1.1 and 3.3 million German civilians were killed during World War II, with up to half a million dying in the Allied bombings alone. Additionally, some 1,600 German cities were partially destroyed, while up to 80% of the major cities like Berlin, Dresden, Cologne, and Hamburg, were completely obliterated, absolutely beautiful cities, the likes of which we will never see again. And all of this death and destruction came because the German people gave in to their worst
Starting point is 01:40:13 instincts after being fed lie after lie. Now, as I said in the first episode, the current administration we have here in America, they're not Nazis. And it should be obvious after listening to the last couple of episodes that the scale of these idiots doesn't even approach Nazi Germany. But it is also a mistake
Starting point is 01:40:31 to underestimate these people. Remember that Heinrich Himmler, the greatest mass murderer in history, he was a small, mediocre, wholly inadequate man. His very appearance was so comical that Ed could roast him until the end of his days.
Starting point is 01:40:45 Soft-boiled piece of shit. And Himmler was above all a coward to the core of his soul, but he was also a believer. He had, as one writer put it, a fanatical vision and energy, a drive that made him one of the masters of Europe in just ten short years. And to that point, I do believe that our current administration, especially in this second term, is chock-full of believers. And while they don't want us to say it, these believers are fascists. Even if they and the people who follow them don't even understand what the word actually means.
Starting point is 01:41:20 I really don't think they do, because, in my opinion, believing in the promise of America means that you are, by definition, anti-fascist. Now, me, I'm just a podcast host. Not to me! When I asked Carolina,
Starting point is 01:41:33 what I could do in the face of all this, she told me to do as the people of Santa Poco did, when faced with the threat of the infamous El Guapo in the three amigosos. The people of Santa Poco could sow. And thus, everyone who worked on this series
Starting point is 01:41:49 did what we could do by our version of sewing, which is showing the evidence and ringing the alarm. But as far as what you can do, remember Joseph Hartinger, the attorney in Munich who fought against the first deaths in the concentration camps, the man who pushed back and never gave up.
Starting point is 01:42:05 As I said, historians believe that if there were just a hundred men like Joseph Hartinger in Germany, standing up for what was right, the Nazis would have been stopped long before World War II. So what I ask of you right now is to Stand up and be like Joseph Hartinger. Be one of the 100.
Starting point is 01:42:20 If you believe that what's happening in our country right now is wrong, then please stand up, especially if you're respected in your community. And say that it is wrong. Say it to your family. Say it to your friends. Because the bad people are coming, whether you want them to or not. And like the German people, you will suffer even if you don't stand beside them. And if you change your stance on this government and their agenda, welcome back.
Starting point is 01:42:44 But if you have a friend or family member who's changed their minds too, Welcome them back if you can, and let's all go take care of these motherfuckers together, because it's going to take numbers to do it. But I cannot stress enough that taking care of these motherfuckers does not mean using violence. During the rise of the Nazis, violence never did anything, but give the Nazis more power every fucking time. Look at the examples we gave. Remember the Reichstag fire.
Starting point is 01:43:09 Remember crystal-knocked. Violence only causes more pain, and it gives the fascist the excuse they've been waiting for to bring down the boot that they're so casually hanging over the heads of every American. So again, I implore you, instead of being what they need you to be, be one of the 100 in your state, in your city, hell, in your fucking neighborhood, and stand up with whatever power you have against the things that you know in your heart are wrong. If enough of us do that day after day after day, then we just might have a chance
Starting point is 01:43:41 because we are fucking Americans. And I still truly believe that we are smart enough and good enough to succeed where others in the past have failed. And all we have to do to make that happen is to stand the fuck up when it's our turn to stand. Yeah, we did it. Yeah! You fucking did it. Good work. Good work, Marcus.
Starting point is 01:44:07 This is beautiful. That was great. Thank you. That was a very nice ending, man. I feel strong. and if you want to see us kill 500 people at a time come Seaside Stories live
Starting point is 01:44:17 just go to last podcast to the left.com and buy tickets what a fucking series I cannot believe we got to the end of it and got to be careful to keep your head in a swivel and also thanks again
Starting point is 01:44:31 to Carolyn Adalgo for her help and associate producing these last few episodes thanks to our incredible research team Joel in particular for making this happen Joel really went above and beyond in the research on this one and gathering all this material and really
Starting point is 01:44:47 putting himself through the fucking ringer to make this happen. He worked on this shit for months. He did. Oh, yeah. Oh, and Joel would also like us to point out that if you're looking for help in your community during these hard times, you can find resources at mutual aid hub.org. And he says that the book Mutual Aid by Dean Spade
Starting point is 01:45:04 available for free at anarchistlibrary.org is a great resource for resisting fascism and keeping each other safe. I was going to remember are you guys because some of us unfortunately are still satanic capitalists just like me and I'm against it as well so you can be both
Starting point is 01:45:20 you could be evil in your heart and actually against everything that's actually evil in meat space it's important it's important to do and it's important to hold the two together and so thank you guys for listening next week we're going to do
Starting point is 01:45:36 I'm really excited to come back with the child of masculation of Brazil next week. I think you guys really love that series. Don't worry. It's only 19 amasculations. And we're just going to do that from the top.
Starting point is 01:45:51 Each one's different. So each time we talk about the different type of emasculation, we'll find different ways to go about it comedically. Next week, we're taking the week off. Yes. We're going to be releasing two of our update episodes that were at one point,
Starting point is 01:46:06 serious XM exclusives, but we're going to be releasing them on the main feed for free because we and our staff need a break and also because these two fellows are going to be on the seas next week we're going to be on a cruise. That's the great way to get out of this. Yeah, yeah, we're going to crime wave at sea, all right? It's not
Starting point is 01:46:25 just what they wanted to do bringing the Jews to the Madagascar. This is us on an actual Royal Caribbean cruise. We're going to be there. You can't even get tickets to it. It's already passed. I think it's over. Yeah. We had a great time. Yeah, but if you want to, you can come see me this weekend in Orlando at Dead Men Tells Some Tales.
Starting point is 01:46:45 And in two weeks, I'll be in San Diego at Mike Drop Comedy on a Sunday that is November 16th. And if you want to see last podcast on the Left Live, we're coming all over the place. Right after Thanksgiving, we're going to be in Akron, Ohio. And then Portland, Oregon, two nights in December, Philadelphia, Austin, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Grand Rapids, Tulsa, and Oklahoma City all next year. year with our fucking badass show that barely mentions Nazis. There's a couple of mentions, but we did actually, there was a Nazi
Starting point is 01:47:19 section, we ended up cutting during this series. We have, we're doing plenty. Yeah, we're doing plenty. They're in the news enough. They know what they're doing. Yeah. Go and check out our brand new show, LPNRP presents Bloodbath on LPN TV on YouTube. Go check it out. We are
Starting point is 01:47:35 having a blast over there. People already loving it. It's good. Go check out our other content over on YouTube that's on LPN TV, some place underneath LPN Romanticy, the Foreign Report, no dogs in space. I think that's it. Right? Huh? Haleson. Oh, we lost Marcus. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. It's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I, I've finished, I, I, disassociated completely.
Starting point is 01:47:57 How is, um, have you used any of your Eisen's Group and Day, uh, gifts yet? You know what? I've actually been so busy. Not yet, but this weekend, cracking that pickbacks. I'm really, I'm really hoping this weekend I can put that shovel into some dirt. Yeah. Yeah. Or to the chest of your enemy. Thanks, everybody. See you in the next, Reich. Oh, hail, private first class, Murray Liff Schultz, my great uncle, who liberated, he was a medic, and he got the Silver Star, and was nominated for the Medal of the Lord. I didn't get it, but he liberated the Flossenberg camp. Was that the one he lost to Jared Lito?
Starting point is 01:48:38 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, hail him. Hail Murray. Yeah, and hail my uncle Walter, who actually was in the Batan death march and survived. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, he was in the Pacific theater. My grandfather joined when the bombs dropped.
Starting point is 01:48:55 But he saw Sinatra in San Francisco, and that was really cool. Oh, wow. There you go. That was Papa. That was his favorite story. Wow. Just beating the hell out of a hot dog vendor. Thanks, guys.
Starting point is 01:49:09 Thank you.

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