Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 644: The Battersea Poltergeist Part II - Ghost Writer

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

This week in Part II, the Battersea Poltergeist escalates by burning bedsheets, literally killing Grandma Ethel, and claiming to be everything from an Extraterrestrial to a Hollywood heartthrob. As Ha...rold Chibbet spirals into a years-long hunt for Donald’s “true identity,” the Hitchings family faces off with flying furniture, mysterious knocks, and a long-term poltergeist deep in an identity crisis. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to. This is the last hot task. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. Who's that? Oh, shit! Hi, up on the shore. Oh, it can't be Irish.
Starting point is 00:00:25 You're Irish again. Oh, fuck. But it's kind of like an Irish. I was listening to Shirley talk this morning. The lady. The British, like the batter sea of the London accent. Man, when I, there was an interview with her with Shirley about the new podcast, because I didn't know that there was a big extensive podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:44 Yeah, it's about three years ago. And I looked at it. And, you know, really, there doesn't really come to any specific conclusions, except for the fact in the end, like Shirley was like, a ghost will reel all along. You know what I mean? But when they cut to her talking, on this, this is like from, I guess, three years ago
Starting point is 00:01:01 on this morning television show, she's the ghost. Now, currently? Yes, British people turn into ghosts while they're alive. Oh, yeah, at age like 44, I believe. Something happens where one day, she was a young girl, and then she was a woman,
Starting point is 00:01:18 and then all of a sudden, when you turn into that, I know that ghost was coming, you have a specific fear of old people, though you and Jackie both I mean it's fear yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a fear yeah you have true you you were both truly afraid of old people you're disturbed by them they're easy to fight it's the weird you know it is it's loose faces they pose you no threat there's something about them I don't like them yeah I don't like them they
Starting point is 00:01:46 they make you uneasy they do and I think I take a pad of paper from an old person it'll ruin their month I know I think that's the problem is that there's so many of them on hair triggers yeah hair triggers But to think once the trigger is pulled, what happens? Nothing. Sometimes they take a plane down. I don't know, man. It's just like, you could take their socks and they'll die.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Welcome to the last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the elder phobic Henry Zabrowski. I would say that there's nothing that quite keeps me more together elementary as a female as my compression socks. But because without him, I would explode. And we also have the man who has a million ways to kill Grandma. It's Ed Larson. Oh, yeah, you know, one thing, slap her to death, you know, just put a pillow over her face.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Honestly, if you just shake a really old woman long enough. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, just remove the air conditioning. That's only, that's the summer kill. That's a summer kill. Put it in on the winter. That's a winter kill. That could see some, like, new merch, like 1,0001 ways to get rid of Grandma with Ed Larson. Slice him, dice him, drown them, gas them.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Oh, like, one of those, like, really, like, rectangle, horizontal books? No, I know you've always wanted to write a joke book. I really, I think this might be your joke book. A thousand and one uses for a dead woman. Dead old woman. I'm sorry. Dead old woman. Please, thank you.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Because we want someone to live the full life. Actually, let's be respectful. And none of the ways uses are fucking. No, none of them are fucking. No, no, keep an door open. You put a pencil sharpener in her ass. That's number 98. which is debatable as to how sexual it is.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Today we are on the Battersea Poultergeist Part 2, the conclusion. So when we last left the Battersea Poultergeist, the spirit had taken the name of Donald and had engaged in his first violent act against the girl he detached himself to, 15-year-old Shirley Hitchings of London. This was after the Hitchings family
Starting point is 00:03:52 had ignored Donald's repeated requests to have specific reporters that Donald had called out by name dropped by the house to talk to him. And after the reporters didn't show up, Donald the Poltergeist allegedly lit Shirley's bedsheets on fire in the middle of the night. And while it has been speculated that Shirley lit the fire herself, investigators came up with nothing
Starting point is 00:04:13 when they tried to determine the fire's actual cause. To me, this implies that there could have been something paranormal behind the fire, something we don't understand. But literally, of the term paranormal. Yes, of the term paranormal. paranormal. Yes, something we don't understand. I'm not saying that it is a ghost named Donald who lit the fire. More just like the investigators couldn't figure out like any conventional reason why the bedsheets set on fire. And, you know, that's the thing. I don't think that it's likely
Starting point is 00:04:41 that a 15-year-old girl in 1956 had the arson skills necessary to stump a hardened London fire investigator. Because it's such a burnable city. It's very much a burnable city. Yeah. And they've just gone through, all the time. They'd just gone through the blitz. There's a lot of ways for London to burn down. Also, I think that this is a story. I talked about it last week, but even further into this side of the story, you begin to
Starting point is 00:05:05 see, it's obviously all around Shirley. It follows her everywhere she goes. And I think it's very easy to say that it's a hoax. I actually think it's the more middleway conversation is the fact that we're seeing an actual contained psychic event mixed with
Starting point is 00:05:21 a creation of a tulpa, completely accidentally by family in London. Mm-hmm. Yeah, something closer to something between, yeah, Kerry and Jeff the Talking Mongo's. Yes. Now, it seems like after the fire, Donald resigned himself to the possibility
Starting point is 00:05:35 that no more reporters were coming. So he had no choice but to begin... Start blowing him himself. Yeah. Sorry. I'm sorry. You're allowed. So he had no choice
Starting point is 00:05:46 but to begin communicating with the portly paranormal investigator that was Harold Chibbett, who, if you'll remember, Harold Chibbett was the guy who named Donald the poltergeist who writes It's a fat name Yeah, it is, it is, it's like
Starting point is 00:06:00 He don't Chibbocker The Polder who sits No Interestingly though Donald seemed to know his audience When he and Chibbitt began communicating See, in addition to being the founder of a paranormal group called The Probe
Starting point is 00:06:18 Harold Chibbett was also a science fiction author He was very interested in alien So, while communicating, Donald sent a message that he would, quote, do harm to anyone who don't believe in flying saucers. That's cool. Who don't believe in flying saucers. I guess you have to do harm to anyone who don't believe in foreign sources. Okay. Hold on a second.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Let me think about this. I don't. I believe. Yay. I figure out it's a double negative. That's how they get you with that Michael Cain British ghost logic. Well, Donald also claimed that he had knowledge of. space travel. Knowledge that was unknown
Starting point is 00:06:55 to any human. This is the first time I've ever heard of a poltergeist bringing aliens into it. Go north. Yeah. And he also had knowledge of eight foot tall beings who were living on no less than five other planets in our solar system. Oh, poor Chibich is going, oh
Starting point is 00:07:11 sorry, I just made another mess in my britches. This is most fabulous conflagration topics I've ever heard. Is this turning into space jam? It might. I think it's space jelly. It's more space marmalade.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Base marmal, put it up my crumpets. Angry. But just as quickly as Donald had gotten friendly with Chibbitt, he switched back to threats of arson. He claimed that he was going to set fire to Nan's bed, referring to Shirley's grandmother, Ethel, and that everyone should get ready for fire. And as it happened, on the evening of that threat, the family's stove repeatedly turned at on and the stove kicking on by itself soon became a fairly regular occurrence in the hitching's home. It wasn't a gas stove. It was an electric stove, but still, it could cause
Starting point is 00:08:01 fires. That's almost number one in poltergeist activity in terms of operating with fire and operating a stove. Yeah, which I find interesting. I just dealt with this with the ghost in the box in my home where I was told that obviously when we received the ghost, Jason, we knew that it would have an issue with flame and fire and that it would move things that's what they said and I spoke with Jason true it gave him a little gift he gave him a joint and gave him some
Starting point is 00:08:30 alcohol because I knew he liked that in life and then when I went I was grilling and I was talking with Jason and I had put hamburgers out on the grill with it fully going and then when I came back out the grill was turned off hmm really yes
Starting point is 00:08:47 you just run out of gas no the dials were completely turned Oh, maybe he was a cook, and he was mad you were burning the food. I wasn't. I had a timer. Sounds like you were burning it. I don't do that anymore. Also, it's very difficult to cook hamburgers to temperature on a grill.
Starting point is 00:09:01 We all know this. You're asking for a medium-rere-temperature burger at a fucking backyard barbecue, a leave. Yeah, no, you definitely should. I'm trying to wrap my head around this right now. So, Harold Chibbitt is what it looks like to me. Okay. All right. Harold Chibbitt is a fraud, but there's a real ghost in the house.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I don't believe that Harold Chibbitt is a fraud. Harold Chibbett is a true believer. He's not actually, I would put Harold Chibbett in the category of, you know, like the guys who were at the infield Poultergeist House. Okay. And the, but the, what's it, the rectory, the, the Borley Rectory. Yeah, yeah. Harold Chibbett is a true fucking believer. In fact, he is such a believer that he's going to spend years of his life trying to find a way to tell the world that this is real.
Starting point is 00:09:48 Yeah, he's he is a true believer to a fault Okay And it's also a specific type of ghost investigation In America we made it very agro Right the idea of that it's some battle between these forces of good and evil Yeah, they all got like tactical Vassad and shit Yeah, like headlamps It started with the Warrens like the Warrens made it started this like antagonistic style of ghost hunting
Starting point is 00:10:13 These guys really were more like I'd put like wildlife photographers yeah Like, he wanted to just be there and witness because he believed that if we just categorize all of this information, one day there will be a piece of proof. So he really is kind of just in the house. But that might instigate behavior from a little girl who's looking for attention or potentially a little girl who has untapped psychic abilities. Yeah. And also, she likes boys in Harold Chippet's Harold Chippet.
Starting point is 00:10:44 He's a man. Mm-hmm. And she don't got that taste yet. For a big, thick, British man. You got to like vest fluff. Cigar ash. Yes, the standards have not yet gone away, and she is not yet accepted that she can't have both.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Now, after threatening to burn Grandma Ethel alive, Donald began hurling insults directly at Shirley's nan. See, Ethel and Shirley had somewhat of a strained relationship, although the strain was very normal, very normal, very strong. middle class and very British. Apparently, Ethel refused to teach Shirley how to make lace, because Shirley was too
Starting point is 00:11:26 impatient to master the craft properly. Shut up! And Shirley was very missed. Oh, you're mad about not making lace? Shut up! Oh, I want to make lace! You can't. You're too impatient. We fought the Holocaust. What did you do, Shirley? Maybe that's what happened with the
Starting point is 00:11:41 bed sheets. She was just trying to get a quick way to make lace and bring little holes in it. Who knows? Too quick. Yeah. But even though this seemed to be the worst of Shirley and Ethel's conflicts, Donald began focusing his ire on Ethel in late March in 1956 by communicating insults through messages, using the tedious one-letter-at-a-time system the Hitchings family had developed, tapping out each letter one by one, and I just find it so funny, because think about this, right before Henry reads,
Starting point is 00:12:11 as Henry's reading this, think about this, is that these people are writing out this entire message, one letter at a time. So it's like C? Well, it's, what it is is they're moving their finger. They have a piece of paper. It's like a Ouija board kind of. It's like a Ouija board. They have a piece of paper with the entire alphabet written on it. And then when they get to a certain letter,
Starting point is 00:12:31 when they get to like D, they'll hear like, and they're like, they write down D. And then they get to E and then write that down. Now, is it an order? Is it the cordy system? It's in order. It's in order. Yeah, yeah. It's an order. But this is the message that took probably half an hour, 45 minutes to Decipher. Oh, Lapo, silly,
Starting point is 00:12:50 silly old bugger. She is old battle eggs. Fass like nose overgrown beetroot. Silly old cow, do as I say. Shit pan monkey chops. Windbag. Bomb fluff.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Shit, you shit. You shit. You shit. You shit. Shit. You are shit. She started losing it at the end of it. You shit, you shit.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Use your words. That's the weird thing about it. It does sometimes these, even though they're tapping out the letter, tapping out the words one and a time, the messages do at times become more frenzied as they go on. Yes. Ah, yes. S. Oh, interesting. H, R, maybe she, she, I.
Starting point is 00:13:43 ah tea fine you fuck you fuck you fuck me fuck me
Starting point is 00:13:51 I'm shit I'm shit I'm the one who shit wind bag I see oh bum fluff bum fluff interesting
Starting point is 00:13:58 now not to keep being an asshole but has this little French boy speak English well he also speaks French well he's eight years old
Starting point is 00:14:07 he doesn't know shit you shit I know everything yeah he's 15 I thought the little boy died eight. No, well, the little boy
Starting point is 00:14:14 died at eight. But I grew up in heaven. Am I getting ahead of myself? You're getting ahead of yourself. Sorry about that. No, it's fine. It's fine. I grew up in heaven. Everybody thought he in heaven. Sex is illegal for me in heaven. That message was communicated to Harold Chibbitt. But Chibbitt was unmoved.
Starting point is 00:14:35 After Chibbitt set aside what seemed to be an almost uncontrollable amount of anger towards Grandma Ethel, he began deducing Donald's identity. Donald, however, tried on a lot of hats before he finally settled on a winner. You would say shit. You shit.
Starting point is 00:14:51 At first, Donald gave information that implied that he'd been an actor at a famous London theater who died in 1753 at the age of 100. As proof, Donald gave a bunch of names that supposedly belonged to his fellow 18th century actors. That's easy. I can do that all day. Daniel Punch, Chu.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Reginald act most Gwendolyn Actleast I can do a lot of different There's so many names you make up Yeah And most of these names They were kind of close to the actor rosters That Hald Chippet found in the archives
Starting point is 00:15:26 Because Donald did name the theater Yeah how many British names are there Quite a few Well like Tendison Robert Mann And oh his name is Ribbitt Wondergunt Pritchard Fair child. Yeah, this is all names.
Starting point is 00:15:44 But there was at least one name that Donald absolutely nailed. The spirit claimed to have known an actor and playwright with the incredible name of Richard Steele. Now, Chibbitt was floored
Starting point is 00:15:58 when he found the name Richard Steele in the history books. Because how would a 15-year-old know the name of an actor who've been dead for 200 years? Especially a name as odd as Dick Steele. But even if it was a coincidence, Dick Steele was still enough to keep Harold Chibbett going. Now, after Donald spent weeks cycling through identities, he said he was an actor, then he said he was an alien, then he'd settle every once in a while into being a pyromaniac with a hatred for old lady.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Which is understandable, it's relatable. But he finally began to settle on a permanent identity by the end of March. He was claiming that he was a 15-year-old French prince who had almost been murdered during the French. revolution. Unlike his unluckier relatives who had met their ends with the guillotine, Donald claimed that he had escaped the revolution but had tragically drowned in the English Channel not too long after, that he had been imprisoned at 8 but had drowned at 15. Now, this is a big claim.
Starting point is 00:16:58 So to prove it, Donald began leaving messages for Chibet that described late 18th century France in great detail. Ah, France. Many a street. Oh, France Restaurants France Many ways for which
Starting point is 00:17:15 For you to visit France In the 18th century I will say this He was far better at describing 18th century France than the Kentucky vampire When he described 18th century France He was way out
Starting point is 00:17:29 It really was like there's like Stones on the Fucking roads And like people are eating like, food, bread. And everyone would just be like, yeah, yeah, they were. Yeah, they were.
Starting point is 00:17:44 They were. No, this was, he was getting in a pretty good detail, you know, like describing, you know, like court rituals and, you know, what the crowns looked like. It was fairly accurate, not perfect, but still pretty close. And this would have been absolutely incredible, if not for the fact that a British TV series called The Adventures of the Scarlet Pimpernel set during 18th century. France and involving French royalty, it was airing at the same time that these claims began. Now, Shirley Hitchings claimed that she never watched a single episode of The Adventures of
Starting point is 00:18:17 the Scarlet Pempernel. It had an 18-episode run. It was actually one of Christopher Lee's first roles. He had an uncredited role as an executioner. He started off well. He was actually an executioner, and then he got hired to do the role. I love him, the story of him describing killing a man in real life to Peter Jackson. And while not a single episode of the adventures of the Scarlet Pimpernel involved the drowned French prince, the emergence of the French royalty personality in Donald emerged right after this show finished airing. It must also be said that the airing of the show coincided with Donald's first celebrity request. In what would be a recurring theme, Donald left a message demanding that the Scarlet Pimpernel himself,
Starting point is 00:19:03 a handsome young actor named Marius Goring come visit the hitching home just to say hi it's hard to get him yeah it's hard to get anybody like how do you get a celebrity a young celebrity like hey there's a ghost out in Battersea
Starting point is 00:19:17 that wants to see you well if you also offer to sell him your daughter I think a lot of the weird guys have come out of the woodwork that's what Shirley was banking on here yeah maybe yeah hopefully it seems like it's just like a little girl who wants to meet her crush
Starting point is 00:19:30 I mean this is it's true Yeah. But it's interesting in the way that the message was delivered versus what the message is. That's kind of what I keep coming around is they keep talking about how the messages were found and they were both highly strange, like written in weird, like, papers and doing the kind of stuff, but also in this knocking, like, weird way they do in the long form knocking communication that they did. That it's just, it's just interesting. I feel like the ghost would ask to see normal people as well as celebrities He asked to see reporters He did
Starting point is 00:20:05 But that's not a normal person to me Those are people who are like out in the world With their names and papers and stuff like that I'm agree with you It is one of those things of why it's very easy To say the story is not true Mm-hmm yeah But it does also
Starting point is 00:20:17 But the thing is to use that As the only debunking method Is to ignore everything else that happened It just keeps getting thicker Yeah also you remember when we were younger Just like the grandma But we're going to make We're going to take your got to sense
Starting point is 00:20:32 Do you don't feel like when you were younger There was a lot more scarlet pimpernel In pop culture Yeah It was huge in the 50s And then it It had like another revamp And then another revamp
Starting point is 00:20:43 And then I remember being a musical Mm-hmm Yeah And it just kind of went away I think it just became too hokey And we stopped caring about 17th century frash And saving aristocrats
Starting point is 00:20:53 Yeah Yeah But also then technically like Batman Came from that So Batman's better, yeah. After the French bitched out and left the Vietnam War and we had to take over
Starting point is 00:21:04 fucking losers. I like to fucking hear it. Finally, a real goddamn man's opinion. I'm not going to comment on that because that was a big can of worms you just opened there and I'm just going to move right past. It did give us the bombie sandwich and I love that. Thank God for
Starting point is 00:21:20 Vietnam. The one thing the Vietnam conflict brought me with summer rolls. And I will still argue that the scene with the French colonists and apocalypse now should have been left in the movie. It was awesome. I love the scene, but it was long and boring. It's very, well, debatable. It's long and fascinating and boring.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Context. Fly from your play. Now, after Donald's request for a celebrity visit was denied, he made a statement that would send Harold Chivitt down an obsessive investigative rabbit hole that would go on for years on end. After weeks of false starts when it came to Donald's identity, the poltergeist finally stuck to one and communicated that his real name was Louis. He was indeed a crown prince of France, and he had indeed been killed as a result of the revolution. Now, Chibbitt took this statement and ran with it, because this message heavily implied that Donald was actually the spirit of Prince Louis, aka Louis the 17th, son of King Louis the 16th.
Starting point is 00:22:25 King Louis, of course, had been executed during the French Revolution in 1793, and according to historical record, Prince Louis died not too long after. Now, this would have been a massive discovery for Harold Chibbett, because throughout the 19th century, it was popular amongst scammers and crazy people to make claims that they were actually Prince Louis, the long-lost son of King Louis the 16th. Usually scammers would have some sort of harrowing tale to tell as far as how they had escaped the French. revolution and they would sometimes even have documentation to back it up prince louis fate was therefore the subject of no less than 500 books that's just in the coming centuries it's so amazing i didn't even i had no fucking idea about this stupid conspiracy theory and it was that big no clue well it's not a conspiracy it's just one guy well it's kind of like what's his name what was the the daughter from uh the i'll get to that here yeah i mean yeah i mean that's really what it's like i mean as far as the
Starting point is 00:23:22 cottage industry goes, it's, think of it like the JFK conspiracy. You know, there's just a whole industry around it. There was a whole industry around the Prince Louis story. And this scam was the antecedent to the Princess Anastasia claims that were made throughout the 20th century in which women came forward to say that they were the last surviving member of the Romanoff dynasty and it somehow survived the mass basement execution that came as a result of the Russian revolution. It's this interesting thing in which, you know, the people have a revolution. They kill a bunch of royal children, and then somebody comes forth to say, like, no, I survived, and I am that royal. Yeah, because they'll either, they hope that they'll get money.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah. No, no, it's about money, fame, getting into the, you know, aristocracy by actually doing nothing. I feel like it has to have worked at least once. I mean, honestly, aristocracies, the aristocrats get in there doing nothing anyway. What's it different if you lie to get in there? True. Amen, brother. Now, as far as Prince Louis went, the real story is indeed hero.
Starting point is 00:24:22 King Louis the 16th was guillotined in January of 1793 But his wife, Marie Antoinette, and his son, Prince Louis, were separated and imprisoned by revolutionaries until their fates were decided. And we're in real history. This is real Prince Louis. Now, Prince Louis was just eight years old when all this happened. But he was nevertheless locked in a dark, damp cell where he was fed infrequently and his jailers physically abused him. Hey, it's hard for a kid that age to get his own room. Yeah, it's truly, and also, how much fun would it be to beat up a little prince?
Starting point is 00:24:57 Yeah, that's the problem. It's too much fun. Eventually, the terrible treatment enabled the revolutionaries to convince Prince Louis that his mother and sister had sexually molested him prior to his imprisonment. This is more proof of the decadent royals. This false accusation of sexual abuse was used as evidence in Marie Antoinette's show trial, the one that the revolutionaries set up for, in order to basically give them license to cut off her head.
Starting point is 00:25:24 And, of course, the trial entered in a death sentence, and Marie Antronet was executed by a guillotine in October of 1793. Interesting. I had no idea any of that. Oh, yeah. No, no, the sexual abuse thing, that was a really big part of, like, this woman needs to die. Like, look at how decadent she was, look at how awful she was. You know, because they needed some personal.
Starting point is 00:25:44 Extra. They needed some extra. Yeah, they needed to show that, like, it wasn't enough to just show that, you know, we're starving while, you know, they're in their palace in Versailles. You also need, they also needed to show like, they got to be evil. Yeah, they have to be evil too. They can't just be out of touch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it can't just be on the wrong side of history.
Starting point is 00:26:03 Yeah. But the crazy part of this story is that the revolutionaries simply left young Prince Louis to rot in jail. Over the course of about a year and a half, the prince became unrecognizable. He was covered in soars, and he eventually died from tuberculosis. in prison at the age of 10. As was medieval European tradition, a physician cut out Prince Louis Hart and secretly smuggled it out of prison,
Starting point is 00:26:29 preserved in wine. Very French. The rest of the body was reportedly dumped in one of the many mass graves that had been dug to bury the thousands of people who were executed during the French Revolution. It's estimated that about 17,000 people were guillotine during the French Revolution.
Starting point is 00:26:46 That's awesome. It's a lot of blood? it's so much blood oh my god the head rooms i can't wait till we do this yeah it must have got sick but no one liked it actually it was a problem it was a mass of bodies it was a huge problem health-wise but the now the physician held on to the heart of prince louis until 1815 that was the year the french monarchy was restored napoleon and all that the physician attempted to give the heart to prince louis's uncle king louis the 18th But the new king declined to accept the ghoulish gift.
Starting point is 00:27:21 I'll keep it. You know what? You've already had it. You've already been, you're close to it. You know, I don't want to get in there. I don't want to change its schedule. Instead, the heart passed through the hands of various European royals until it was finally laid to rest in a necropolis reserved for French royalty.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Oh, I thought it was Dick Cheney's chest. Yeah, baby. Unfortunately, did you hear the news? What? Dick Cheney's got a big old hog. Oh, of course. he does he's a piece of shit yeah he's got that amount of confidence
Starting point is 00:27:52 that's a bed so that's big dick confidence big old hog yeah they found that on the autopsy dude it's like I I can't even get to his chest giant cocks in the way someone get someone cut out of the way
Starting point is 00:28:06 honestly can we pin this back behind him can we shove this up his ass fortunately my cock shrunk three inches those few years I had the heart of that little French boy no way we'll tug the rest of it out.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Well, the heart stayed in the necropolis until 1999 when it was removed and DNA tested. At long last, the test proved that the heart did indeed belong to Prince Louis. Wow. And it was eventually laid to rest with the bodies of
Starting point is 00:28:35 his parents, Marie Antoinette and King Louis the 16th. Oh, good for him! Yeah. Now, part of the reason why the heart had been DNA tested was because even back when Prince Louis died in 1795, rumors began immediately circulating that he had escaped prison and that the dead body of another child had been used in his place. As a result, dozens of impostors showed up at various European
Starting point is 00:28:59 noble households over the following decades. One, a German clockmaker, even wrote memoirs that were so convincing that his death certificate and gravestone identified him as Louis the 17th when he died in 1845. That clockmaker, however, was just one of dozens of men who claim to be the so-called lost Dauphin, men who hope to ascend the ranks of European royalty. But that's all to say that if Donald the Poltergeist was indeed Prince Louis, the long-lost child king of France, then Harold Chibbett was on to a very big story indeed.
Starting point is 00:29:36 And it would not be. The only problem is, is this is Harry Chibbitt's main issue, is the fact that this is now where we really see the antiquity of his knowledge. where he has this idea now that it's a very specific ghost that does very specific things and it's very easily categorical like you can put it all together
Starting point is 00:29:57 it's easy now I need to figure out the history of this ghost and we'll tell its story and it'll be a whole thing and it's going to show it's actually going to prove that in its trickster-like presentation of the phenomena it's going to embarrass him looking for this information
Starting point is 00:30:14 and essentially going to I might even say waste most of the years of his life that he spent trying to connect Prince Louis to this ghost. That's a true haunting. It is. I think that that is the spookiest story
Starting point is 00:30:30 of all is Harry Gibbitt reading about Prince Louis for no fucking reason. For years. For years. For years. Well, I think the reason why he focused on this so much is because he wanted proof. Yes. And he thought that if
Starting point is 00:30:46 if the ghost could somehow say something that surely had no way of knowing, and if he could connect that, then he could say, look, look, here's the proof that this is a poltergeist. Because he has no way of knowing how to prove this phenomenon. I mean, he is collecting all of the information that he can through the Floridian method. But he is also looking to make his mark in the world of the paranormal. and he's trying as hard as he possibly can. Could be several ghosts. Oh, very much.
Starting point is 00:31:18 That's another weird explanation of this whole thing. Now, even though Donald was supposedly communicating directly with Harold Chibbitt as Prince Louis, it must be repeated that the house at No. 63 Wycliffe was still extremely haunted, and Donald's antics were by no means limited to messages. It said that furniture upended itself every night. Objects from the kitchen would go missing, or they'd fly through the air. And the taps and the knocks became so routine that each family member was greeted with a specific noise each morning. Can mine be a fart?
Starting point is 00:31:53 Sure. That's my noise. That's my noise. Oh, what's my? There were so many incidents that occurred in even just the first few months, never mind the following 12 years, that it would take us hours of upon hours to cover them all. So I would very much recommend the book, The Poultergeist Prince of London,
Starting point is 00:32:19 if you want this full story. It is fascinating, but fuck, there's so many incidents. It's really, to me, it's the volume that speaks to the weirdness of the situation. That's why, like, if you read the book and allow yourself to be kind of enveloped in the amount of incidents that happens, you might start to see why we're like,
Starting point is 00:32:41 there was something strange happening inside of the house. That's what happens. It's so long when you let the ghost write. It's got nothing about time. I mean, tell me about it. You got to cut these guys off. Get the ghost that editor. The ghost that edits.
Starting point is 00:32:52 That's what I know. The ghost needs a ghost writer. That actually knows how did, you know, kind of mean. Everybody knows. Every script passed through like nine hands. But when you look at Donald the Poultergeist's overall goals, it seems like one of his biggest focuses was keeping Shirley from holding a job. He wanted Shirley at home, or quite possibly the other explanation.
Starting point is 00:33:14 is that Shirley wanted to be at home. See, after Shirley lost a second job to Donald's tapping, because if you'll remember, that tapping followed her everywhere, Donald threw a tantrum the night before Shirley was about to start a third job. Reportedly, Donald hid Shirley's new work clothes the night before she was to start a new job at a bank. Then he tipped a slot bucket full of garbage, this is very weird, directly into Shirley's underwear.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Yeah. The spirit then drew black crosses on the wall. using lead because, you know, lead was around. Around at that point. I think they used it to clean their stove or something. Brush your teeth. Yeah, honestly, really. It seasons a soup.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Really nice. I cover my dildos in it. That's an old ingredient to English breakfast. He used to come with a sight of lead. Yeah, yeah, you just gnaw on that until you get dizzy. Yeah. And then Donald turned on the stove and caught a towel on fire. Donald then left a message saying that he had, quote,
Starting point is 00:34:11 seen those Chinese fishermen with atomic ash fell on them, all burnt up and swollen, which I assume is a reference to the same incident that inspired the creation of Godzilla. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? No, this is 1950. You know, it's when all those fishermen were burned and killed in the, I think, the Bikina Tal test.
Starting point is 00:34:30 One of the nuclear tests. But yeah, all those fishermen were burned and killed and inspired the story of Godzilla. Donald then added that he was quite capable of doing the same thing to the hitching family. That would be fucking... Now he's threatening nuclear holocaust. Oh, yeah, dude.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Fucking no. One spared. I think the worst part is Donald doesn't know the difference between Chinese and Japanese. And I think that's a little upsetting, Donald. I do believe he was adding a bit of his old British point of view there. Determined to get the job, though, surely still try going to work the next day, even after Donald threw a tea kettle at her head during breakfast. She even had a friend go with her to the train station.
Starting point is 00:35:14 But after the friend was allegedly pushed onto the tracks by an invisible force, that's something the friend said, Shirley gave up on the job and returned home to focus on Donald. But isn't that weird? I know that it's really strange that it went with her so thickly. The phenomena everywhere she went, and they all talk about it, that's the stuff that's really interesting, is the fact that the noises were so loud,
Starting point is 00:35:41 you could hear him on the street the fact that everywhere she went they could hear this this series of noise and there's only so often she can fake it I wonder if there's just this mixture of all of this stuff flying around
Starting point is 00:35:57 yeah I mean I think it is a mixture because I bet she didn't want to work and I bet she's like I got this ghost at home I got a friend I got a reason not to work and I might as well go back home I'm feeding this topa we're calling it a name we're giving it a job we're telling it what it does, and the more and more
Starting point is 00:36:13 we're all sitting here paying attention to it, it seems to just be feeding it all up. Yeah, and they're now at this point, like, giving it a history. Which is exactly how you make a topa. And he could have just been trying to give her tea. He's just a bad waiter. That's again, yeah, yeah, hyper-impressive.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Europe is not known for its customer service. Now, Harold Chibbitt somewhat ignored all of the intense paranormal activity that was constantly going on at the Hitching's house. But, I mean, it might be fair to that the activity had become tedious and routine to everyone involved, Harold Chibbitt included. As such, Chibbitt began to pedantically obsess over the Prince Louis angle, constantly trying to catch Donald out with factual errors.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Now, Shirley steadfastly denied that she knew anything about French history, although a second paranormal researcher who popped into the house, he claimed that he did see French history books in Shirley's room. It also did not sound like that obscure of a story. No. So if there's a French ghost in your house, I'd buy a book of French history. Don't learn a little more about it? Why not?
Starting point is 00:37:17 Yeah. Interestingly, Donald the Poultergeist could communicate impassable French. And he was quite fond of drawing fleur-de-lis designs, often used to signify French royalty around the hitching home. After taking all this into account, Harold Chibbitt declared in July of 1956 that there was no way that Shirley could have faked all this activity for six months straight. And he therefore decided that there was. were genuine supernatural agents at work even if the facts weren't always straight. And that dude was
Starting point is 00:37:46 embedded. He was there every day. And I do think that he would have said that it was fake if he could have caught it. That's the worst part about having a poltergeist is eventually some fat dude has to come live with you
Starting point is 00:38:03 and tell him everything. Are you talking about my wife's Natalie's life? With Harold Chitt, though, there's also an argument to be made for sunk cost. Oh, very much, though. Oh, he's got to do it. Yeah, he's just put in so much time that he just needs to put in a little bit more. And then just around the corner is the answer. Now, after spending a few months getting hammered on all things 18th century French,
Starting point is 00:38:29 Donald the Poultergeist briefly reverted to making threats against the family after Shirley's father, Wally, refused to buy Donald a typewriter. I mean, we do need to speed up this process. Seriously, honestly, just can't we just try? Can he just get flashcards or something? He taps. Get him a typewriter. Oh, but just think about how a lot of typewriter is, and it's never going to end. The ghost is like we can just speed this up so much if you just get me a fucking typewriter.
Starting point is 00:38:55 Now, for a brief period here, after the request for the typewriter was refused, Donald referred to himself as Shaggy Roots. Shaggy Roots. He took a new name. Oh, I love this. No, Shaggy Root. Shaggy Roots is getting angry. Yeah. And Shaggy Roots
Starting point is 00:39:15 threatened to burn everyone in their beds with matches. But the focus of the aggression was once again on Grandma Ethel. So even though Grandma Ethel was the wittiest member
Starting point is 00:39:25 of the family outside of Shirley, remember she had said that she had seen souls leave the bodies of people at the hospital where she worked. She loved it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:32 She had still frequently... Bye boy! See in hell. She had still frequently expressed her displeasure about living with a polter. in her twilight years.
Starting point is 00:39:42 And so, acting as Shaggy Roots, Donald reportedly soaked Ethel's sheets in alcohol, then left a message saying that Ethel was going to be dead by dawn. Dead by dawn! Dead by Dawn! Dead by Dawn! Donald then cryptically added, Oh, help. He got der Rat poison.
Starting point is 00:39:59 He got der Raat poison. Oh, help. It's me, Shaggy Root. I'm trying to tell you all what's happening here. He got the rap frozen. It wasn't me. The coffee's living in the cop. Those are taps, the bombastics. Yeah, come on, leave them alone.
Starting point is 00:40:16 It's not me, man. Not me, Shaggy. Oh, you trust your mother. You trust your brother, man, Shaggy. The poltergeist then spent the night, throwing objects around the house. Actually, if it was in the shade, like, I help, get out the rat poison.
Starting point is 00:40:33 That's a really good shaggy. Thank you. I actually. I don't have a hell to help that arous. I didn't realize that. That's how you. the shaggy you do it with me
Starting point is 00:40:42 the shaggy voice actually isn't that hard to do there wasn't me yeah oh wow I didn't know I'm gonna do that it's really easy I do it around the house
Starting point is 00:40:53 all the time oh yeah I'm working on this it's one of my talking to myself making myself laugh voices yeah a lot of my voices I can't repeat anymore yeah
Starting point is 00:41:00 but they're for you yeah for my family yeah well the polter guys then spent the night throwing objects around the house while all the members of the Hitchings family
Starting point is 00:41:08 huddled together in the bedroom to wade out Donald's tantrum. Now, just as quickly as Donald had turned violent, he changed tack yet again and began communicating with Shirley about matters that sound more like they're coming from a fellow teenage girl
Starting point is 00:41:21 as opposed to the vengeful spirit of a drowned child king. Using taps, Donald asked Shirley if she liked a 19-year-old British child actor named Jeremy Spencer, who at the time was filming the Prince and the Showgirl with Marilyn Monroe and Sir Lawrence Olivier. 19 years old, that's a man!
Starting point is 00:41:40 baby. Well, he was a former child. He'd been acting since he was like 12 or 13. So he was a well-known child actor in the British Post War cultural history. Now, was he the prince or the showgirl? He was the prince.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Now, Shirley, obviously, like Jeremy Spencer. She had an autographed photo of Jeremy Spencer hanging above her bed. Don't ask Shirley about Jeremy Spencer. But after Shirley confirmed that she did indeed like Jeremy Spencer, Donald's started asking Harold Chibbett if he could contact Jeremy Spencer, because Donald was sure that Jeremy Spencer was about to get into a car accident.
Starting point is 00:42:19 And Harold Chibbett is exactly who Jeremy Spencer wants to talk to. That man's going to arrive and he can't wait to go to that little girl's house with Harry Chibbett. He says, like, I want you long to come with me and experience a most wonderful occult phenomena. Get the fuck away from me. do you leave. Now, no one contacted Jeremy Spencer at this point, but Donald was out of it. He even tried proving his pedigree by saying that he had known James Dean was going to die in a car crash in 1955, but he had not been strong enough back then to communicate the warning to other people. But in a moment that is only amazing, if you believe Harold Chibbitt, Donald warned the family
Starting point is 00:42:59 once more that Jeremy was going to have an accident on November 25th. The next day, the British newspaper reported that child actor Jeremy Spencer had indeed been in a car accident, but was ultimately unharmed. Interesting. Unless it's Harry Chibbitt, trying to make a little bit of news for himself.
Starting point is 00:43:21 I've never thought about that. I've got to figure out how to cut these brakes. How do I cut these brakes? Or, you know, news traveled slow. We could have heard about it. And then they told... This isn't the 1860s, buddy. There's radio and television. Yeah, they're not going to wait for the boat to come across the pond for this.
Starting point is 00:43:36 You got to wait for the early paper, then the late paper, then is it evening paper? You're right. But he had been saying for weeks beforehand that the car accident was coming. And then finally, you know, car accident's coming tomorrow, and then the car accident came. And Chip had also claimed that Donald made another correct prediction on December 9th. When Donald wrote, quote, they have accident, Paola. Allegedly, that same evening. Kind of more of Malamia, huh?
Starting point is 00:44:00 Yeah, it turned into like a little Peruvian woman. It was Paula, not Paola. Paola is a Brazilian name. I just go immediately, no, sorry, it's Malania. Okay, Donald, you buy me from big bad men, thank you. Well, allegedly, that same evening, the news reported that 28-year-old Paula Marshall, the wife of a famous British magician, had been killed in a car accident. Honestly, that's a really good way to release her from that fate.
Starting point is 00:44:30 You're being married to a famous British magician. Yeah, yeah. Well, perhaps encouraged by two correct predictions in a row, Donald began telling Shirley that Jeremy Spencer had a message for her. And Donald knew so because he could read Jeremy's thoughts through accidental mind transference. Awesome! Yeah, and those were Donald's words. Donald wrote out accidental mind transference. That's a lot of taps.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Yeah. Now, at this point, I don't know if there was actually something going on or if Harold Chibbitt was totally losing his mind. because he documented that Shirley's autographed photo of Jeremy Spencer just after this car accident that autographed photo actually began weeping like fucking stigmata and the
Starting point is 00:45:14 wetness on the photo was indeed salty like real tears he tasted it. Harry, stop licking every ghost juice. Harry, stop it. It's wet over here. I'll lick that. That is urine. Ah, yes, that is every urine. That's grandma. She hasn't been wet in a long time.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Well, it looks like I just accidentally added some witness of my own. She, I mean, he documented this, he said, he swore that this thing started crying. This photo started crying. That is an exact, another wild, full-on poltergeist commonality. Yeah. Right? Also, with every single religious visitation, they experience things weeping. It's a very, very common psychic phenomena.
Starting point is 00:46:00 but he's not dead No Jeremy Spencer's alive So why would his photos start weeping? Picture said But the picture is of him Picture misses him Well it's Donald whatever Donald is Making the photograph cry
Starting point is 00:46:13 Fuck Donald Sorry Well Chibbett even gave in at one point And actually reached out to Jeremy Spencer's agent And while I don't know exactly what Harold Chippett said to him Spencer's agent declined to respond Thank you for the opportunity
Starting point is 00:46:30 No thank you Now, as 1956 became 1957, Donald remained a fixture in the Hitchings household, although Harold Chibbitt seemed to be totally lost in the sauce. Frustrated by his lack of progress with Donald, Chibbett wrote and mailed a letter to the Hitchings addressed to Donald the Poulter guys. In the letter, which was meant to be read aloud so Donald could hear it, Chibbett demanded that Donald, once and for all,
Starting point is 00:46:56 gives some proof that he was indeed Prince Louis, the lost child king of France. But what's strange about this is that while Donald's response was indignant, it was also far more articulate than Donald's previous messages, whereas before his messages were rambly and disjointed, you know, wind fluff, shit, you shit, but, yeah. He now wrote, quote, that letter is preposterous. How dare he ask me that? Cheap has made me very hungry. And he calls him Chib, by the way. Chip, you make me very angry. I dismiss him now
Starting point is 00:47:31 I will not talk to him Cheeb thinks of me as a machine But he must understand I am a spirit of the past Far more articulate Fuck you cheap Chip you go fuck
Starting point is 00:47:45 Now did he ever say His name was Louis Or did he say That he was the son of King Louis Because King Louis Could have multiple sons Well okay The thing is with that
Starting point is 00:47:56 I simplified it Because there was so many There's a lot of louis around. Technically, Prince Louis's name was Louis Charles. Okay. And he was also, but he was also known as, like, Louis the 17th. So just to simplify it for the listeners, so they wouldn't become confused. Yes, his name was, his name was technically Louis Charles.
Starting point is 00:48:14 Okay. And really, like, Donald didn't really, like, he didn't always call himself Donald. He just responded to Donald. Okay, gotcha. And Donald then claimed that he was going to produce an old handkerchief if Chippet needed evidence so badly. He does. He's asking for it. Just do it.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Now, the handkerchief never materialized, nor did Chibbitt respond. A few days later, though, Donald wrote that he was glad that Chib had apologized, even though Chibbett had never apologized. And I never would. I didn't apologize to the French. Actually, both of them seemed to willfully forget the whole standoff. It's better for just move on. Yeah. Because by February of 1957, they'd continued communicating with each other as if they'd never had the whole tiff.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Look at Muscle. You just Right back in You just move right along Right back in Now despite Harold Chibbitt's Continued push Towards the Prince Louis
Starting point is 00:49:05 Angle Donald the Poultergeist had By 1957 Become focused mainly Upon young, handsome male celebrities By February Donald was claiming
Starting point is 00:49:15 To be the spirit of James Dean And in another interesting twist Donald's handwriting and grammar were much improved When he was playing James Dean
Starting point is 00:49:24 As James Dean He wrote In what is by far my favorite message Quote Now I don't know who you good folks are But I'm still waiting for help Please hurry
Starting point is 00:49:36 I'm grateful to you ma'am For keeping me here but I'm lost I want to get back to my country Look mister I'm James Dean I didn't ask to come here But I just guess I got here So help me please
Starting point is 00:49:54 I belong in California It gives me the same vibes It gives me the same vibes as Oh, Mom, I'm stuck in the oar Oh, oh, I'm in the oar How this happened, I'm in the oar Look, Mr. I'm James Dean I didn't come here, help me please
Starting point is 00:50:14 I belong in California Bring me back to California Signed James Actor Dean Life of Northland At this point Donald seemed to become confused even with himself. When Shirley started swooning over James Dean,
Starting point is 00:50:31 Donald seemed to get jealous of the James Dean persona that he himself had created. He told Shirley that he wasn't going to help James Dean, and he was going to cut off James Dean from sending messages entirely. You're not going to talk to James Dean anymore if you love James Dean so much, and you're going to talk to him. I just got to say, honestly, I don't care what you're fighting about, but if you could, get me back to California.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Because I hate it here. It's cold, it's rainy. There's no motorcycle. There's no men for me to dally with? I mean, actually, if you look at the message, you did kind of get like James Dean's pouty personality. Like, I didn't ask to come here. My guess I just got here.
Starting point is 00:51:08 He just got here. He was a great actor. He really was. He was incredible. You ever seen Giant? Oh, it's great. Yeah. Love Giant.
Starting point is 00:51:14 East of Eden? Incredible. Now, Chibbitt. He wasn't there, though. He wasn't in the UK. No. But Chibbitt, meanwhile, dutifully documented the messages that spelled out the fights between Donald and James Dean.
Starting point is 00:51:27 And again, it must be said that this very well could have just been the ramblings of a high-strung, if-imaginative teenage girl talking to herself. Very much so. Of course! Very much so.
Starting point is 00:51:39 But what if it's all done with an uncontrollable childlike psychic ability? What if all of that's true? And it's projected from her changing body. She's growing older. They always talk about this.
Starting point is 00:51:55 It's connected to young women. She happens to have this latent telekinetic ability. And it's doing the will of a 15-year-old girl. I believe that over anything else. That's what I think is kind of happening here. I think that that's way more real than any poltergeist will ever be. Because eventually a ghost would show up that's not like some hot teen boy. Sometimes.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Who knows? You know, like that's the thing. Why is it all hot teen boy? Because Hottie Boys die with fucking unfinished business all the time, every time. It's not just hot team. I mean, Shaggy Root showed up. And he was just a fucking insane pyromani. Don't talk about Shaggy like that.
Starting point is 00:52:36 I don't think Shaggy has a problem. I got to be something false, man. I don't care, man. So you want about Shaggy. He's not a heart throb. All right. He's not a super handsome man. I'm just not good of catching being cut.
Starting point is 00:52:51 I got to work on this. I have to work on this. Now that I know that I can do that. Yeah. No, it was on me. Yeah. Yeah. But if you look at the way this James Dean Donald fight works, it sounds like you're in the mind of a teenage girl who is in the throes of like just kind of a fantasy.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Yeah. It's like I've got this French boy king and then James Dean comes in. But then the French boy king, he, French Louis, he gets jealous about James Dean. He's not going to let me talk to James Dean anymore. It's, you know, she's imagining that two boys are fighting over her. But at the same time, she's also communicating this fight through psychic taps. Yes. It's insane.
Starting point is 00:53:34 I'm starting to feel bad for Chibbitt. Chibbett loves every minute of this. Never feel bad for Chibbett. He loves ghosts. He, at this point, he is getting very frustrated. It is getting, it's starting to get tedious. Now, if it tells you anything, it's around the time that Donald was fighting with James Dean, that the poltergeist began working very hard to get Shirley accepted into the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts
Starting point is 00:53:57 so Shirley could become an actor. At the same time, Donald began writing letters, which, I suppose Shirley stamped and mailed, to David Spencer, Jeremy Spencer's brother. See, David was also an actor, but he was also a producer, a writer, and a director. So in these letters, Donald begged David to give Shirley an acting job. Or failing David, failing David, maybe Jeremy could give Shirley an acting job. not a bad idea. If you want to get an act, you want to be an actor
Starting point is 00:54:26 on the stage, she can't be having taps falling or everywhere. But the idea is, you got to probably the part of it. She was, did anything go? She could do taps. Oh shit. Or or she would look so much better and stop for people. They didn't have stomp back then. No, you could throw the candles back and forth. That's the thing is you can't control the tapping
Starting point is 00:54:42 so it's going to throw all the rhythm off. She'd actually be the worst person to be in stomp or tap. I wish a poltergeist would inhabit a black person. It happens. Well, these letters were apparently enough of a nuisance to the Spencer team that an actual representative of David Spencer's showed up to number 63 Whitecliffe to personally tell the hitching family, you gotta stop sending David letters from the ghost. It's not working. It's not working.
Starting point is 00:55:10 It's a nuisance because she's sending out like three, four a day. And it's filling up their inbox. But tellingly, the same night that the Spencer representative dropped by, Shirley was reportedly thrown from her bed, eight times. And Vaseline was smeared across all of Shirley's closet doors and walls. The knocking also became so loud that it sounded like someone was stomping down the stairs. And Wally reported that their piano began playing on its own. Now again, this all only holds water if you believe the family. But remember, Wally Hitchings was a very average Englishman who never made a dime off of this story. He gained nothing. Specifically, Wally did not do anything. Anything
Starting point is 00:55:51 to make money off of this thing. Nothing. But on the other hand, I started thinking about like, well, if that's not the case, if that's not the motivation, what is another possibility? Wally may have been so repressed and straight laced that it could have been easier for him to believe that his daughter was
Starting point is 00:56:07 haunted by a poltergeist. Because the other possibility is that his daughter was a force five pain in the ass who talked a lot about burning Wally's mother alive in her bed. I completely agree. I think that there's a little bit of that too of the he's so stiff upper lip that it's much easier to believe a ghost is causing
Starting point is 00:56:28 all these problems instead of his daughter yeah so now i'm on she is the ghost she is telekinesis that that is me that is my theory okay all right all right yeah i'm i'm i'm willing to fall on that as well yes there is something that she's she's tapped into something uh there is no pun intended Yeah. Ghosts don't work like that. No, pun intended. Yeah. Funn't that she's tapped into something.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Thank you. No. I said to say it right. Now, it's my personal opinion. I guess that we're all there. It's kind of both. But I'm not the first person to come to that conclusion. Ghost hunter Andrew Green, who had become one of the UK's most famous ghost hunters,
Starting point is 00:57:10 he visited No. 63 Wycliffe and surmise that while he thought Shirley was mentally unwell, she had nevertheless summoned. Donald the Poltergeist with psychokinesis during a mental break. Yes. And by the way, everyone in the house hated Andrew Green. Yes, he did not like it because, again, the idea of a physical ghost is so, it is easier. Yeah. It's easier than being like, it's her fault.
Starting point is 00:57:34 It's easier to wrap your head around. Either then, whether or not she knew she was doing it or not, I don't think she even knew she was doing it. I don't think so. I think that there were knocks coming from literally the bones in her feet that she was subconsciously doing. I think that there were exterior noises that she somehow created. And I do believe that the objects flying around came because of she had this weird untappedability.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Mm-hmm. Not tapability. It literally, yeah. Got him. Now, if Shirley was indeed behind the whole thing, one way or another, she got very angry in May of 1957. Domlin began writing a barrage of letters that Shirley sent to Harold Chibbett. so many letters that Harold simply began ignoring them. And similarly, several of the Hitching's neighbors
Starting point is 00:58:23 began receiving horrible, abusive letters in the post, supposedly sent from Donald. They called them poison pen letters. Donald also began threatening murder and arson more often, which unfortunately brings us to the death of Grandma Ethel. Yay! Finally! See in July.
Starting point is 00:58:46 of 1957. Donald asked Wally and Kitty if they would buy Shirley some new makeup, but the request was again ignored. And if you'll notice, this is a recurring theme. Donald asks for something for Shirley. The family says no, Donald throws a fit.
Starting point is 00:59:03 Right after the request for makeup was made, five shillings went missing from Grandma Ethel's purse. That sent Grandma Ethel into an uncontrollable rage. She tried hitting Shirley with her cane. which led to a huge fight
Starting point is 00:59:18 and a massive poltergeist event which allegedly sent everything in Ethel's room airborne imagine the end of poltergeist where everything's flying around the room it's supposedly like that and the next day a butcher knife was thrown with such force by invisible hands that it supposedly stuck in the kitchen door
Starting point is 00:59:40 and after that Ethel's room was in such a state of constant paranormal turmoil that it eventually gave her a stroke. She was placed in a nursing home and died soon after. That is one of those facts about this case that prove something was happening inside of the house. It literally drove her to have a stroke. She was so afraid and upset by what was happening inside of the house that it really, like, that I find that that's the most interesting of all. Yeah, yeah, that there was something, it was so awful, like that, yeah, she had a stroke.
Starting point is 01:00:18 But it's this happening all the time, they didn't get any fucking footage? I mean, pictures, they didn't have video, they didn't have the proper, I mean, I know, I know, I know. I don't know. Honestly, dude, it's a very valid question. Yeah, it's a huge problem. I'm not sold on this at all, you know, but. Yeah, it's a very valid question. And, you know, there is arguments to be made in these sorts of things that, you know, people, not necessarily,
Starting point is 01:00:44 make things up, but they fill in the gaps and they end up saying that stuff flies through the air, and there was nobody there, but maybe there was somebody there. Or they exaggerate things when they retell it, or, you know, their memory is fallible, of course. Let's get a shot of the knife of the door. I mean, yeah, but they just, you know, that's one of those. Now, after Donald killed Ethel, he went away for a few days,
Starting point is 01:01:12 then left a note that he was not allowed to speak for at least a week because he had taken a vow of silence that vow of course was broken the next day when he left a note suggesting that it might be nice if wali paid for shirley to get a new hairdo like maybe it's your up maybe it'd be nice if you want to give her like a spa day or something it'd be nice she's looking a little rough yeah my host is ugly donald returned in full force within just a few days continuing to torment the hitching's family with near constant paranormal activity the hitching's meanwhile very much put on a stiff British upper lift and attempted to continue with their lives. They accepted Donald to such a degree that they began leaving presents under the tree for him every Christmas. This is making them solid as hell. They are. Chibbitt, on the other hand, continued down the fruitless path towards trying to prove that Donald was the spirit of Prince Louis. For the next year, Chibbitt chased down any detail that Donald put forth.
Starting point is 01:02:09 And, of course, he would go to his colleagues and try to get them to help him out with it. That, of course, shredded any credibility he had with associates who kept telling Chibba that there was no there there with Donald and the French. Finally. Stop. Well, they... Just stop it. They just eventually... But that's the thing that kept going on for years.
Starting point is 01:02:28 They were like, Harold? You're ruining your life. You've got to stop. There's nothing here. Like, there's something... I agree that there's something going on. But this is not Prince Louis. You need to stop.
Starting point is 01:02:41 He was just desperate because I do believe there was a sunk and cost foul. see, and it did seem like, oh, this is my big get. I get to be the guy from Borley Rectory. I get to, like, be the guy this embedded. He's put so much time in at this point. I get it. It's like, if it's not Prince Louis, his life's a failure. And it was.
Starting point is 01:03:00 Surely, meanwhile, finally found a job that was acceptable to Donald, but it's not like Donald was holding out for something fun. In September of 1958, Shirley took a job as a clerical assistant at a stationary firm in West London. It sounds like the most boring job.
Starting point is 01:03:16 It's not like she got a job at the candy factory. Well, he loved notes. He needs lots of paper. He did. That's interesting. That's very interesting. I actually really like that. And, you know, Shirley ended up keeping that job for many years. Donald's communication also began slowing down considerably after Shirley got this job. And while it seems like the noises stopped following Shirley outside of the house, the
Starting point is 01:03:38 poltergeist activity within the house, nevertheless continued on a fairly constant base. As such, Harold Chibbett continued working on the Battersea Poultergeist story for years afterwards. This went on for years and years and years. Finally, in 1963, seven years after Harold Chibbett met the Hitchings, he finally decided that while Donald was certainly a spirit, it was unlikely that he was the spirit of Prince Louis. It took him six years to come to that conclusion. God, what a fuck, poor guy.
Starting point is 01:04:13 to come to that conclusion. Excuse me. I suppose... He could have been a doctor. What? He literally... He could have a real doctor. In that time period.
Starting point is 01:04:22 I suppose because he came to this conclusion, Harold Chibbett declined to make the French angle, nor the celebrity angle, the focus when he finally finished his manuscript about the case. Instead, he gave his book a title that was utterly unmarketable in every way, calling it the poltergeist that can write. And this is why sometimes you need an American.
Starting point is 01:04:47 Every once in a while, you need them in there because... Hey, sometimes when your publisher tells you it needs a little zaz, they're right. They're right. Also, you hit it earlier. Ghostwriter is better. It's a term. Title. Yes.
Starting point is 01:05:01 That's immediately a better term. Ghostwriter's incredible. That's a movie. Literally, sometimes, they say this. titles are the difference between hits and not hits. Harry Chipp destroyed his life.
Starting point is 01:05:18 It's like calling Jaws the shark that bites. My Steven's Shark movie. You know, I actually agree with that because I think that if Super Troopers had a better name it would be respected on the level of Ghostbusters.
Starting point is 01:05:36 Seriously. It's just a bad name but it's a classic comment. Phenomenal film. Yeah, yeah, one of my favorites. But yeah, terrible name. Now, by the time Harold Chibbitt finished his book in 1963, Shirley was 22 years old and had fallen in love with a man named Derek. The Hitching family, however, neglected to mention anything about Donald to Derek for several months.
Starting point is 01:05:57 And they should have. Because whatever was going on with Shirley was still happening seven years later. And that's what's interesting about this, is that it's seven years later. Harold Chibbitt's gone. There's no report. There's no nothing, but something is still happening, to the point where the family has to sit down and talk to this suitor. They have to talk to Derek and say like, hey, so there's this thing named Donald, and you're going to have to deal with it if you want to be with Shirley. It's very interesting.
Starting point is 01:06:27 And Derek decided that if staying with Shirley meant that he had to accept Donald as well, then bring on to boogeyman. Oh, yeah, dude. He got a man because I guess that bolder guys knew what we all didn't know, the G. She had a, she had that coochie that wouldn't quit, and she was a wife material. The Poultergeist knew that? Yeah. That she had a Coochie that just wouldn't quit. Well, she knew from the inside. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:06:53 The Poultergeys knew from the inside, because the Poultergeist was... Shirley is a woman at this point. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, surely is a woman now. But you said from the beginning, so now you're speaking on a 15-year-old girls. I'm saying he had an idea. Uh-huh. I mean, the ghost is 15.
Starting point is 01:07:09 I'm just saying the ghost is a little boy. Ghost is immature. Wow. Does statutory... Save it. Save it. It really is. It's the twilight argument.
Starting point is 01:07:24 He's technically a teenager, but he's also hundreds of years old. She's a teenage girl. Does it apply? When I had to explain to Natalie, when I was playing persona 5, explain to how, yes, I am playing a 15-year-old boy. Yes, I am. seducing my teacher who I found out was a hidden sex worker and then I'm using that information against her yes but it's a video game and how did you explain that to her in that way and she said don't talk about it anymore yeah cool there's plenty of video
Starting point is 01:07:57 games yeah you don't have to play that I did eventually stop but it's so many yeah I did Stop. I did stop. I did feel weird. It did feel strange. Well, Shirley and Derek were married in 1965. And after Donald spent a few years just changing the channel on the TV every once in a while, he did hang around after they were married, the activity went down. You know, like they ever, they would say that they would be sitting there watching TV. They even moved out of London. And they said every once in a while, the TV would change channels on its own.
Starting point is 01:08:30 They might hear something weird every once in a while. But by 1968, Donald had fully disappeared. No exorcism, no nothing, he just went away. Whatever was happening just stopped. As for Harold Chibbitt, the manuscript for the poltergeist that can write was sent to and rejected by so many publishers that it eventually got lost in the mail. He made so many copies. He accidentally sent the, I think what happened is that he accidentally sent the original. copy to a publisher and then it just
Starting point is 01:09:04 disappeared. So, Chibb gave up and instead self-distributed a paranormal newsletter until his death by heart attack ends 1978. To fucking paranormal investigators die of anything besides
Starting point is 01:09:20 heart attacks. Heartbroken, because that's what that is. In case where their wives try to kill them. A lot times, yeah. That is true. That is true, yeah. I think his heart got bored. Yeah. and left.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Much like they all do. This is what we keep beating for. It's not attack as much as it just passed out. Yeah. His part quit. Shirley and Derek, however, are still alive and happily married to this day. As far as we can tell. But Donald the Poultergeist never returned.
Starting point is 01:09:54 And whatever he may have been, still remains to this day, a total and complete mystery. It's very interesting. And surely, she would come out later on. on she had a little cap later on because she said that they had activity on and off for several years and surely said that she'd been dealing with for a while and so two stories came out one story oh she said more she's got two new stories so one story was um that when he finally went away they found a letter a bit like a piece of paper that said goodbye right that was like one story that she said which i don't know about that the second one was she said that she said that
Starting point is 01:10:32 within the year of the interview that she had done she was doing some cover was class and she was there with a lady that was a lady you got no it's important she came forward and told did the thing being like I'm a medium if you ever dealt with it if you ever lost somebody you're lost anybody and she's like no and she's like you ever lost a little little brother and she's like, well, I just have to say something. Because, like, I don't do this unless I have to. It's like, you're being followed by something. And she's like, what am I being followed by?
Starting point is 01:11:10 She's like, you're following, you're being followed by a little boy with red hair, like long red hair, in silk clothes, and, like, silk princely clothes. And she had never, she didn't know who she was. So it's interesting. Again, it's a famous story, though. Yes, and she's a medium. But this was years after, this is all years after that. It's one of those where I don't know how I feel about it, but Shirley holds on to it.
Starting point is 01:11:37 And Shirley has come to believe that it's a ghost. But I do think that Shirley is also a very strange woman. Yeah. And now she's talking to Michael Landon. Hey. He's a hot boy who's died of young. He's the, you remember Michael Landon? That was my mom's hall pass.
Starting point is 01:11:53 My mom loved Michael Landon. My mom loved Michael Landon. I thought Michael Landon was like in his 30s when he died. That's young. If she's going for anyone, it's going to be River Phoenix. Yeah, at this point. Or Jonathan Brandis. Oh, quiver phoenix.
Starting point is 01:12:06 Well, no, now that Shirley's like 85 years old and British, it's like Benedict Cumberbatch or something. You know who I see her for? But he's not dead. Is it weird described it, but I feel like she's an Emmanuel Macron woman? Hmm. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. See, this is why we try to do ghost stories.
Starting point is 01:12:24 And this is as close as we got. This is how, I mean, but that's the thing. This is every ghost story. as close as we got on this one. Sorry, the conjuring doesn't exist. It just hard. It just didn't, it just doesn't happen. UFOs are more real than this. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Yeah, I'll say that. But I believe that the center of this is the psychic activity, which is why it's interesting, but no one's like, besides everybody now, as we're all, as Monday morning quarterbacks, sure, we can see it. Aliens are ghosts that play tricks on us. How about that? Love that. Yeah, love it.
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Starting point is 01:16:02 Hail Satan You know I'm gonna say Maguselations Thank you I've been a long time Good I like that Hail James Dean
Starting point is 01:16:09 Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah Yeah yeah wow yeah Yeah why not And here And here's a tip If you go to James Dean's hometown
Starting point is 01:16:17 There are two James Dean Museums One of them is run by the town. The other one is allegedly run by a convicted sex offender. So make sure to do your research. Which is the better one? Honestly, the one that was run by the town was closed for the season. So we had to go to the other one, but we did not
Starting point is 01:16:40 find out until afterwards that the man who ran it was a convicted sex offender. Was it a good museum? Um, underwhelming, uh, because it was, it was stuff like, is like, this is the, a jacket that was worn by a guy who was two grades above James Dean. This is some underwear that I imagine James Dean might have wore. Yeah, he's like this. He's like this. This is a motorcycle, but look kind of like James Dean. Well, I can't wait. I got to buy a plane ticket to get wherever that is.
Starting point is 01:17:14 You know, James Dean, Jim Davis, the creator of Garfield, and Jim Jones are all from the same, like, 50-mile radius. Wow, lots of gyms. Yeah. What's in the water? Lazzad. Hail Satan. Hail Satan, everyone.

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