Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 653: The Du Pont Foxcatcher Murder Part II - The House of the Butterflies

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

The Boys continue the story of the Du Pont dynasty as they evolve from World War I profiteers into architects of the modern age, embedding themselves in everything from General Motors to the chemicals in your very own bloodstream. From leaded gasoline and the coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt to their role in the Manhattan Project and napalm, the 20th century becomes a Du Pont production. War, coups, forever chemicals - profit at every step, with no accountability. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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No, no, no, no. It's efficacy. It used to be... Oh, they just like the process. No, well, it used to be you would just sit on the toilet all day long, like painful diarrhea. And the stuff they... give you now, it just turns everything in your stomach into water and it's just like a fire

hose coming out of your asshole. As long as it's not painful. It's not. And you're filling my day because that's kind of one of the hardest things, especially between gigs. Yeah. You know, especially when I'm trying to fill my CEO time. Yeah, fill your day. That's like a great way to do it. Yeah. We're ready to go? Every once in a while I want to do it just sometimes when I'm feeling a little heavy. Yeah, I get it. We'll get you in there. Just do a colonic. I can. Yeah, we'll blow it out. I've I've never done a colonic. It's semi-sudoscience. You did it?

No. Oh. How do you know? It just blows old shit out of your asshole. Yeah. And when I say heavy, I just mean, I don't mean like I feel heavy. Yeah, I feel like I need to poop. I'll get it out of you.

Yeah. You know what I found? I can shake you a bunch. Yeah, sure. You ever thought about getting held upside down and slapped all around? Not by you. I can do it. I love to put you on my back and I'll jost you around like I'm a big pony.

Oh, play you're playing games. Yeah. All right. You know what I find funny is that every single old bastard I've ever met in my life all told me that I was going to get more conservative. Yes. And that time and the weight of age would finally wisen us to conservative ideals. Well, they didn't count on you learning about murder every day. You know, they really should put more warnings on books.

And what they do to you? Because still, even as the resident capitalist, I'm the Satanist capitalist of our trio. Yeah, that's you. That's me. And I'm still out there fighting the good fight, making sure I take candy from children, resell it to them for the opportunity for them to learn about business. See, what you need to start doing is take candy from children and give it to poorer children. Great idea.

And then up it and then take it from, if they don't have candy, if I see poor kids without candy, I charge the pork kids for a not having candy fee. I got excited because I thought you said pork kids? And I was like, mm, they make kids out of pork now? No, hey, we're in a... This is in the Epstein bottles. Hey, don't be a jerky boy. But you're saying that you are getting less conservative as you grow older.

I am getting angrier and angrier and angrier. And the documentary, I'm going to go ahead and say that Eddie made me watch about this subject. That would be the devil you know. The devil we know. The devil we know. Fantastic documentary. That was more unpleasant than any Yosef Ritzel coverage.

I'd rather watch Yosef Ritzel have sex with his daughter than watch that documentary again. That's how sad it was. Joseph Fritzel had a plan. He was locked in. Welcome to the last podcast

on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with resident capitalist, Satanist, Henry Zabrowski. I'm thinking about ruminating. All right. You're going to ruminate about the capitalism? Yeah, sure, absolutely. But I will say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I will say, Joseph Fritzel wasn't locked in. The daughter was. Yes. And the man with the headband, it's Ed Larson. How you doing now, Marcus, I don't like to critique your work. Sure. But I was reading through your script, and I noticed a couple of mistakes. Like, every time it says DuPont, it says DuPont and not like a thick black line.

Yeah, that's kind of been, this is way too not redactions. I'm so used to reading redactions. It's almost like my brain just puts redactions. Yeah, DuPont has a D and O and N and a T in it, so it clearly should have been redacted. And, you know. Oh, no, Ed's deep now. Ed's just deep. He just talked about the Don T thing.

I just get, that's a lot of good man. Oh, my God. And if we unredacted all this, the whole system would fall apart, Edward. Don't you know that? Don't you know that the Dow is above 50,000? But there's like so many names in your script that like hold people accountable. It's kind of angry. It's like a capitalist.

I'm angry. It's hard to handle. It is hard to handle. But we're going to fucking handle it today. Can I ask a serious question? Sure. She says, hey, the president's a pedophile and we're covering it up obviously, but the Dow is over 50,000. Why are we talking about that?

Sure. But my question is that that actually made me realize, oh, so now that the global market has been separated from the presidency. That's what you're telling me then, is that his crimes are not affecting the market. That means we can really get him now, right? Yeah. Because he's in more trouble than he's ever been. The market's doing great.

That should show you, the market's going to do fine. Let's get some guillotines going, man. The market will hold. And you know what? We're actually going to prove that point again and again today that the market will hold. Yes. I just can't believe the cousin fuckers won. Hey.

That's why you hold things to the chest Same thing like your niece Country was built by cousin fuckers Actually some of the best Americans we've ever had We're cousin fuckers We're gonna get into it They have lots of incestments I mean investments

You don't get a great return on them Encessments So when we last left The DuPont family In this continuing coverage Of quite possibly the most evil family In American history World War I had just wrapped up

and journalists were referring to the DuPonts as the merchants of death because of how much money the DuPonts had made selling munitions to the allies during the war. The DuPants were also starting to dabble in cultural manipulation. That's, of course, with the Boy Scouts of America. And this was in addition to the decades of governmental meddling. This was all in response to the rise of communism in Russia, which the DuPonts had taken personally because the murdered Russian Tsar, Nicholas II, he'd been a good customer.

But even though the DuPonts had made an unusual, godly amount of money making products that were mostly used to kill human beings, they were about to enter a decade where they would begin to have an effect on just about every aspect of human life in the century to come. And I'm not just saying American life, I am saying human life. As it turned out, there truly was not a limit to the greed of the DuPonts. And as a result, they would straddle the 20th century as not only a family that was involved in many of our deadliest wars, but also is one of the worst offenders when it came to introducing the forever chemicals that are continuing to kill people around the world every day. In other words, there's going to be a lot of death in this episode,

and the DuPonts are at the center of it all. If anything, this episode will prove that the darkness of this world was shaped to an outsized degree by the decisions made by the DuPont family. Okay, I'm going to do a little think tank here. Okay. Now, let's say we're all CEOs of a company. Okay. Right, let's hear we're a podcast network CEOs. Okay. All right. Now, let's just say, you're fired.

Wow. I agree. I agree. All right. Imagine. Imagine. Comes out. Podcasts cause ear cancer.

Sure. Okay. Right. It comes out before we face allegations, before we get to the Pottenberg trials, right? Which we're hung for our crime. We'll get to the. There will be right. This is, yeah.

Three years from now, it's going to come out. that podcast cause ear cancer. Yeah, and right now this is an internal study that we've done saying that podcast caused ear cancer. And we're getting the message in, Marcus, how do we spin this? Well, if podcast cause ear cancer, then the only thing that we're going to need to do is we're just going to have to go to video and subtitles. Netflix!

Netflix has already did it. They're saving the day. Subtitles. Read the subtitles. as I am talking. That's amazing. We've already solved the problem. Yeah.

And if it wasn't for this new rash of ear cancer, there would be so much less ear cancer research. See? And that's a waste of money. That's a real CEO right there. Creating jobs. Now, as I said at the end of the last episode, the 1920s was a decade in which the DuPonts

would have the largest impact on American society outside of providing gumpowder for all our wars and our various colonial conquests across the continent. See, the 1920s were when the era of mass production and modern consumer society truly began. It's the birth of the modern world. And the DuPonts were right there at the forefront of everything. They guided the construction of this new world

by having a big say in how it worked, who was in charge, and most importantly, how money was made. The 1920s saw the birth of the white-collar worker, the regular middle class Joe with the office job. And the DuPonts knew that they could continue to get away with anything just so long as enough of those white-collar workers believed that they could one day join families like the DuPonts in their depravity and their greed. As long as the promise is there, that's all you need. Those people will keep voting against their interests for merely the promise.

Yes, yeah, exactly. If you think that one day that you could be a billionaire, you will want them to not. your tax. Exactly. You're like, oh yeah, I'm going to be a billionaire one day. I don't want to pay taxes when I'm a bill getting at my. Actually, one of the super key things, and I'll tell you right now, if you want to get a leg up on getting into a billionaire family, you have to just develop a taste for eunabrous and gills. And old come, if you can just build yourself up to that, just getting into that mind space, you might have what it takes to be a billionaire. We're being hard on the DuPont family.

I honestly, I've been saying that at home, at my money. I pull my money out and I apologize to it. I'm sorry. If it wasn't for them, there'd be no toxic avenger. Yeah. Where would Lloyd Kaufman be? Oh, my God. It's probably just a professor at Harvard.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the DuPonts also knew that they could not count on constant war to keep their bottom line high. And since the conquest of the American Indian had been done and dusted for decades by the 1920s, That's sad for them. The DuPonts knew that they needed to diversify. So the DuPonts purchased a majority stake in General Motors at the same time the automobiles were becoming an integral part of American culture. Now, in the company General Motors are just motors in general? It's a good question.

The company General Motors. Thanks, Barty. Just remember next week when you come by, let's just ask simpler questions. I like motors I know that you do I know I'm just like one The DuPonts also acquired dye patents for the paint used on those automobiles

So the DuPonts made money twice On the car and on the paint Fuck yeah The DuPonts also produced the first cheap cellulose film Which allowed the fledgling motion picture industry To increase production dramatically We wouldn't have the motion picture industry If not for this

Finally, they began acquiring or creating entire chemical industries that would produce such modern miracles as shatterproof glass, rayon, and cellophane. Now, man, I'm trying to get rid of all my fake fabrics, man. Yeah, all your polyesters. Yeah, it rubs on my nipples. Yeah, hurts my nipples. It does. Now, cellophane is important here. Cellophane had no practical use when it was invented.

So the DePonts, seeing the new consumerist world for what it was, they created. a use for it. They put a team of scientific researchers to work to see how they could best use this thin, clear plastic. And it was discovered that cellophane was a great way to wrap products like bread or cigarettes. If you've ever bought a pack of smokes, you've given money to DePont. Any pack of cigarettes that is wrapped in cellophane gives money to DePont. That is just one of the tiny ways in which they make money off of this world. Man, I love that little wrapping paper. I used to always like whenever I used to like sell weed or like I'd pinch a nug off. You know, you take that off, put the two nugs in there.

Then you light it with a lighter. Yeah. So you could burn it and put the plastic into the weed. Yeah. We all did it. There's not a single person that didn't put two hydrocodone in an old cigarette fucking holder wrapper and burn it with a fucking lighter. And then take those later on.

Open it with your teeth and then take those for whatever you, when you're going to work. Obviously. Oh, man, when I used to smoke so much, like, the high point of my day would be taking the cellophane off of a new pack of cigarettes. Like, there was no happier moment than taking that off. Pure joy. Is there any reason to pack cigarettes? It keeps them. It's fun to do.

I know that. It keeps them a little fresher. That's the thing. It helps a little bit. Like, that's the thing about cellophane is all of this. It helps a little bit. You know, it does kind of keep things fresher. but it also produces ungodly amounts of garbage.

What are you talking about? The birds love it. The birds live having new opportunities than are new medium. They don't love it as much as the fish. Because the fish, I mean, if they didn't want to have their stomachs filled with plastic, why I keep eating it. I'm like in the water.

Yeah. That's why I keep my plastic. God damn morons. The non-explosive chemicals created or bought by DuPont would actually be their biggest most. money makers of the 20th century. They began making lacquers, varnishes, acids, paints, and artificial leathers, pleather. Then they would hire a team to turn each and every product into something marketable. Rayon, for example, was an artificial silk made from wood pulp created by the

DuPont Corporation. Rayon textiles are used for a lot of shit, but one of their big uses in everyday American life was artificial silk stockings, which became hugely popular and eventually evolved by the 1950s into pantyhoes. And if we didn't like ripping them open so much with our teeth, I wouldn't do so well. But so many people seem to get a kind of unnatural, almost unholy joy, ripping them, ripping them off somebody. And while panty hose might seem like a small thing, this shit adds up.

Yeah, for some people it isn't a small thing. Yeah. Not let it go, huh? You're just kind of stuck right in that panty hose. Fetish, I would dare say. No, no, no, no, it's a fascination. So you're saying that the DuPont family director, contributed to one of your personal fetishes?

No, I don't have that. I'm just saying it's generally, objectively fascinating for anybody to watch a woman who was stuck in a well or in a way. That's I'd say most general people of something that's stuck into a well and she's a haunted girl. She's wearing panty hose because she's obviously mature. She's true. It's how you get her out. Bigger in the back area, right?

You've got to haul her out by them. Yeah. And then, yeah, the objectively sexy thing of accidentally ripping them open as you're pulling her out of the well is one of the ones. of those things that I think everybody can connect to and relate to. Are you describing the episode of Pretty Face that your wife was in? She did the video. She did the stunt work for it.

Wow. This became wholesome somehow. Everybody likes pantyhose. But that is to say, this shit adds up. And by creating the product first and finding a use for it second, the DuPonts greatly helped with the creation of the highly wasteful American consumerist lifestyle. Their R&D paired with

their incredibly effective advertising department, which their advertising department alone employed thousands of people. This soon made the DuPonts the head of the world's largest chemical empire. So they were basically playing like whose line is it anyway props

with random shit around the office than making billions of dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The best jobs in the world. What can we do with this? I don't know. I put it. Put a potato in it. Whoa, yeah, it's a potato swinger. Like, no, no, I don't know. How many people are swinging potatoes?

I don't know, Barney. What if we wrap the bottom of a woman in it? Wait a second. What is that feeling? Yeah, I just got hard. Yeah. As we all know, Jimmy getting hard is a number one sales team number. That means that if he gets hard, that this is going to be a big seller.

So put that wrap. on that woman. Oh. Does they ever make condoms? Um, I don't know if they ever gotten a latex. Uh, I do know.

Probably the shit that kills the sperm. Yeah, they might have gotten a spermicide. Yeah. Uh, they might have gotten into latex. I know they, uh, got in a spandex.

We'll talk about that later. Uh, a ton of, uh, synthetic material like, uh, mylar, uh, that we,

the, you know, the thing that we put comic books in. You know, like the plastic, that mylar comic book, like they invented that. Oh,

so much shit. Oh, that's so, great. Right? They're still creative. Now, because the DuPonts already had their hands in car manufacturing and painting, it only made sense that they would try their hand at fuel as well.

And here's where we begin exploring the true unabashed evasched evils of the DuPont's chemical dominion. See, while the DuPonts did not manufacture commercial automobile fuel itself, they did create and manufacture the so-called lead in leaded gasoline. And this manufacturer would have an incalculable negative effect on American and world history. In the early 1920s, a scientist working for the DuPont-controlled General Motors discovered a chemical compound called tetraethyl lead. Tetraethyl lead made engine combustion more efficient, increasing both fuel economy and vehicle performance.

Sounds like a good thing overall. Yes, damn it, let's go! But after DuPont built a chemical plant to manufacture tetraethyl lead in a southern New Jersey township, ominously called deep water, they found very quickly that tetraethyl lead came with dire consequences. I wonder if this is why Jersey doesn't pump their own gas. For health reasons? In an extremely short order, DuPont discovered that the tetraethyl lead manufacturing process, It made workers go violently insane.

DuPont employees at the Deepwater plant even began dying in raving delirium, which soon led people to refer to Chetheethyl lead as loony gas. That's so fun. Looney gas! Oh, it's like working at the joke factory. Oh, they must only laugh. What all to have a DuPont community I can be a part of? I like farts. That's my loony gas.

Goosework, good work, Barney. A good time over here. Barney, you're bleeding out of your ears. Oh, I'll eat it. Love, Bernie. Love his attitude. Love his attitude. He's always going to be number one in my heart.

He's self-started. Now, the already creepy deepwater chemical plant soon gained an even creepier nickname. People began calling it the House of the Butterflies. That's nice. Ha! I'm just like, haunting. Can you begin? Yeah.

Look at this factory on a hill in New Jersey. It's like, behooned, the house of the butterflies. Yeah, dude. It sounds like a fucking, like, Neil Gaiman place where they put children that are like, like, they, you first think they're being brought to a magic school. Yeah. And it's like a prison. No, yeah. It's where they grind up their bones to make magic dust.

Yeah. I like going to the butterfly gardens and with my little nephew because he's, I mean, he ate like four last time we were there. Right. Get out and try this. What's this one taste like? Which this one tastes like? Is this one? Here, try this one.

This one might be raspberry. I'm bringing ketchup next time. Well, it was called the House of the Butterflies because workers, affected by the tetraethyl fumes, would try to snatch invisible butterflies out of the air. And many drew butterflies on the brick walls of the factory. The fumes, yeah, it's fucking insane. It's a very cute disease.

Well, that's what I call a looting gas. What a one. wonderful way to celebrate diversity. The fumes from tetraethyl lead can be absorbed not just through the lungs, but through simple skin contact. And like many of DuPont's chemicals, it is totally resistant to all forms of detoxification. In other words, once it's in the body, it stays there and it builds up until the victim finally succumbs to lead poisoning. Amongst many other terrible symptoms like seizures, vomiting, and headaches, lead poisoning can also cause diminished cognitive.

function, mood disorders, and irritability. And when you add a violent personality into that mix, you got all the makings of a serial killer. Fuck you! Eddie? Eddie? There's no excuse it.

There's no excuse. We've done it. We've cleaned it up. We're done with it now. Now, this shit was floating around in our era for decades upon decades, especially in smog-ridden true crime capital. like our fair Los Angeles here.

I mean, you've seen the pictures of what L.A. looked like in the 50s and 60s and 70s. It looked like Mordor. Yeah, it did. Don't look great now. No. Hey, it's better. I will say it is better. It's way better than it ever been.

New York City as well. Even for when I first started coming here, it is extremely better. That's why the fucking sunsets are so fucking beautiful. You made it down with it. You ever die of you look at a sunset and you see that nice slice of green. You thank the punt, okay? Because, oh, it wouldn't be so nice if it wasn't all for the chemicals Making the birds, gay.

Yeah, bro. Everybody knows the sky is supposed to be purple. This bird's got two peaks. That means extra food. Lucky bird. Well, as more cars hit the roads of America And more leaded gas was used, The crime rate in our country steadily rose.

It's thought the fumes from leaded gas were most harmful to kids that all the exhaustions. common from the tailpipes of these cars prevented the full development of a child's brain. While it didn't necessarily make a person more violent, exposure to tetraethyl lead made people more likely to act on violent impulses. The reason why we think leaded gas

caused developmental problems is because gasoline containing DuPont's tetraetholet was not only in use, but it was the standard in America from 1923 until it was finally banned in 1986. Now the crime rate in America didn't suddenly drop in 1986.

We all remember that the 90s were rife with violent crime. But nobody moved. Nobody get hurt. Yeah. It's because it was also very deeply hidden in the poetry

written by our central by our very sensitive artists like Tupac. That's right. And Biggie Small's poets. But the crime rate did begin to sharply drop a few years

after leaded gas was banned. And lest you think that I'm confusing causation with correlation here, many countries that have used in banned leaded gas have seen the same rise and fall in violent crime at roughly the same rates on roughly the same timeline as America did. And no matter what these pieces of shit in our capital are trying to tell you, we're actually at the least violent point in American history as well. Like we're actually in a place since where we have,

despite all the mass shootings, despite everything, we're still at less violence than ever before. Yeah. No, no, it's the safest America's ever been right now. Weirdly. Isn't that fucked? Yeah. No, I think, yeah, New York City is...

Even when it's happening. They're just, they're literally creating a problem in Minneapolis. Yeah. To solve it. Yes, they are. Yeah. Camden used to be the murder capital of America. And then, you know, everyone got murdered.

Because eventually, it's like, man, there used to be so much more people around here to kill. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that too. Yeah. Remember how awesome last year was? Yeah. Ah, let's go to Delaware. Is this still considered murder if it's a dog?

Yeah, Barney. For you it is. Now, you might also play devil's advocate here and say that there was no way that the DuPont Corporation knew what kind of effect led a gas would have on the public in the long term. But as we'll see again and again with the DuPonts, they knew exactly what tetraethyl lead did from the very beginning. And they did everything in their power to cover it up so they could keep making as much money as possible. Shortly after the Deepwater Chemical Plant opened in the early 1920s, a worker named Frank Durr, who'd been working for the DuPonts. There's no other way to say that name besides... Durr.

He'd been working for the DuPonts since he was 12 years old, and he started working with tetraethyl lead at the age of 37. And Durr had been a perfectly normal man prior to Deepwater, but he was soon plagued by terrible nightmares after working with tetraethyl lead. He eventually lost grip with reality completely in which... was sent to a mental asylum where he died in a straight jacket. Listen closely. Listen closely. I had a dream. I had a dream and it's real. What was it? It was a car. It was an old jalopy car. It started talking to me. A funny voice and I kept kind of laughing to myself because I kept completing the sentence

as he was saying. He would say stuff like, let's get her done. I saw another car. He had a Mexican accent. He was so funny and goofy. I just I want to live in that world I want to live in a car base world You know there's no villain in that movie

Yeah Because guess who the villain is DuPont Yeah Making people hallucinate that it's fucking real Yeah Well about five years after Frank Dur Five workers at the deepwater plant

Again raving incoherently Before developing uncontrollable Twitching and convulsions Reportedly all five of these men died screaming in delirium from the effects of tetraethyl lead poisoning. This is in the 1920s, and America still had 60 more years

of tetraethyl lead use to go. I'm sorry to laugh, but there's just something about somebody just going, ah! I think it's more... I think it's... I think it tapers.

I think you don't necessarily just... Ha! It's not like Monty Python's Ha! And then you fall. It's like that old, hold of jokes. Sometimes I scream myself to sleep. Now, there's one thing that DuPonts do just as well as chemicals and munitions.

It's public relations. So DuPont's PR team got to work dismissing the severity of what the so-called loony gas was doing to its workers. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at the DuPont's PR team pushed or even created the term loony gas in reference to tetraethyl lead to make the whole scandal seem silly and less dangerous. DuPont did indeed reduce deaths from tetraethyl lead poisoning in their plants,

but hundreds continued to be poisoned. These people would be treated, then sent back to work, where they'd be poisoned again. In one 18-month stretch, 300 workers were poisoned, causing hysteria and extreme anxiety. Eight of those 300 died, and even though a 1936, investigation showed that the poisonings and deaths were caused by neglect and a lack of safety precautions, the DuPonts were never punished or even charged. Instead, they continued manufacturing tetraethyl lead. The fumes from the exhaust coming out of every single car in America eventually poisoned much of this country to one degree or another. The resulting brain damage caused untold amounts of death, destruction, and misery through the violent crimes caused by those who were poisoned.

Serial killers were just a part of it. And hell, besides the serial killer epidemic of the 70s, 80s, and 90s, one could even argue that the lowered inhibitions of the hippie movement in the 60s might have also come from tetraethyl lead poisoning. And it's also why their brains are so fucking pickled that those same people that tried to create a big civil union, like civil rights march world. They would then become the group of people that would subjugate us all. Yeah, and would vote Ronald Reagan in the office. And also the reason why the boomers are so fucking awful on the internet and in the community. Yeah, and can't regulate their emotions. They really can't.

They can't regulate their emotions. They don't know what's going on. They're extremely mean and disoriented. Yeah, quite possibly. But of course, that's just speculation. I just conjecture. DuPonts couldn't be bothered with what was happening to their workers at plants like Deepwater. After World War I, many DuPonts became the new American multi-millionaires.

Before long, the DuPonts had broken the... the record for most yachts owned by a single American family. Nice! Yeah, and each yacht had like a cute name, like one was called the gadfly. That's funny as hell. Congrats DuPont.

Hard work all around, everybody. I'm doing the thing that kids do now. Yeah. They're clicking their fingers together because children have become elderly African-American people. The DuPont's prophets

continued to skyrocket throughout the 1920s because they made money off every road and car built in America. They had hands in every industry involved, from concrete and rubber to steel and paint. Their financial executive at the time, John Raskob, increased profits even further by maximizing the output of products while minimizing the cost of labor, which was bad for the worker, but great for the investor. But speaking of investors, the DuPonts were also one of the main companies who manipulated the stock market throughout the 1920s to maximize their wealth. businesses would go under as a result of this stock manipulation, and the DuPonts would buy those

companies for pennies on the dollar. Of course, that stock manipulation eventually led directly to the stock market crash of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed, and it can be laid directly on the feet of the DuPonts amongst other business leaders. And of course, this caused even more untold misery to millions across the globe. And I'm going to make another little speculation here. As we said in our Himmler series, if we didn't have the Great Depression, Hitler probably wouldn't have ever gotten into power because the crash of Germany's economy effectively opened the door for the Nazis.

So did the DePontz cause the Holocaust? I'd say, kind of. I definitely didn't help. You know, like the stuff didn't help. The rampant sort of like unmitigated growth like a tumor in the center of the stock market and our entire industry kind of zone. I think that didn't help.

Yeah, but what people don't talk about, though, is that if there was no great, depression, how do we know what it's like when things are good? You know, and that's the silver lining. That's what the writer's side brings to the table. It really is. Because that's truly important. Think about how amazing it would have been, right?

We didn't have the Great Depression. Yeah. Then it's like our whole vibes off. Yeah, like No Woody Guthrie. Fucking know Woody Guthrie. No, Woody Guthrie, no east of Eden. Do you want to... Come on.

It's worth it. Steinbeck. Everybody loves it. Fucking laugh a minute. Everybody loves it big black pearl. If there was no dust bowl, then, you know, it would just be on a plate. Yeah. Why would maids exist?

Just as it had been with the boom and bust economic cycles of the 19th century, the DuPonts were far too rich for the Great Depression to touch them in any meaningful way. While profits did drop after the crash of 29, just one single DuPont, Pierre DuPont. He was still able to put. profit, $26 million in 1932. That's down from $31.5 million prior to the Great Depression. To be honest, though, that is a bit of a disappointment to the shareholder. It is a bit of a disappointment of the shareholder. But I'm talking that is personal wealth. That is personal wealth of Pierre DuPont. But while the DuPonts were still making

unimaginable amounts of money, the majority of Americans were suffering because of their actions and the actions of other wealthy Americans. And so Americans elected Franklin, Eleanor Roosevelt to the presidency in 1932 to try and turn the whole ship around. Now, Roosevelt was himself fabulously wealthy, so wealthy in fact that he did indeed marry his cousin. Yeah! Eleanor Roosevelt was his cousin. She didn't even have to change your name after the wedding. It's so nice to skip a fucking trip to the court and the city hall and the DMV and stuff like that.

I think it's cool to marry your cousin if they're gay. Because that's kind of funny. They never kissed. Do you get FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt ever had sex with each other? Well, they had a baby. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they can. But he could shove his fingers with his seed up into her.

I've seen that happen. They had sex with each other. Like, yes, Eleanor Roosevelt, her, you know, her sexuality is, of course, a matter of, you know, debate and discussion. But they did have sex. And but FDR also had his own. He had many, many girlfriends on the side. But that's the interesting thing is that it hurt. Eleanor every time that he did.

So which tells me that there was some sort of definitely like relationship there. One thing we all, we will know is that Eleanor was always on top. Yeah. She had her own house that looked at the other house. Yeah, yeah. It didn't go to his funeral. Yeah. See, honestly, it's a really night. That's nice. Yeah. And then she did have like this really, because when I went to Hyde Park, I was, we were asking, of course.

You know, we had like private tour. And Hyde Park is fucking amazing. It's really cool. I actually really like the FDR president. library is really cool but so but when we went we're like talking to her but like hey what about eleanor being gay you know all this stuff and then she's like well yeah she did live with a woman in her house but she also was banging this dude and she showed me like a picture of this like strapping man like yeah holding her and stuff like that so she was security guy yeah yeah yeah yeah

she was awesome eleanor was just horny as fuck but that's just that's what eleanor was yeah she was a swinging lady. Yeah. A great Eleanor Roosevelt quote, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. That's right. She also,

one of my favorite quotes of hers, blittl-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l. I should have brought a snorkel. She's got a real Steve Bershemi-My face. All right, I'm going to get out of your, before you start in on the fucking Eleanor-Rosevelt's face jokes. Well, Eleanor was, in fact, Teddy Roosevelt's favorite niece.

She was part of the Oyster Bay Roosevelt's. FDR, on the other hand, he was part of the Hyde Park faction of the Roosevelt's. But that's all to establish that Roosevelt was fucking rich. He was the cousin of a recent president. But despite Franklin and Eleanor's shortcomings, like, for example, the later internment camps, they still genuinely gave a fuck about the common man. And the Roosevelt's were often seen as class traders by people like the DePonts as a result. See, the DePonts were not happy when FDR was elected president, but they were somewhat

satiated when Roosevelt told them that he was more than willing to work with them rather than against them when he took office. That happiness, of course, only lasted as long as it took FDR to actually implement policy. See, the inflection point that we're at today with AI is extremely similar to the one faced by America during the Great Depression, and it is also very likely that the AI bubble is going to lead to another crash, like the crash of 20,000. sometime in the near future. It's never going to wake up and be God in the machine.

I'm sorry, Peter Thiel, I don't mean to disappoint you. No. As it is now, technological advances in the 1920s had changed the fabric of American society because more goods and services were being produced with less labor. But if people had no money to buy those goods and services, then the whole American system collapses. And FDR knew that. So FDR used the government to tip the scales.

He created public works projects to not only build infrastructure, but to fund jobs in the arts, theater, music, and history. All this, of course, had to be paid for. But instead of putting the burden on the lower classes, FDR simply raised taxes on the extremely wealthy, a novel fucking idea. And if there's a single politician listening who cares even a little bit about anything other than gaining and holding power, FDR's New Deal programs and policies paid for by taxing the wealthy, they were some of the most popular and successful programs in American history.

Yeah, they brought us. food back. I will say, man, you know, we're talking a lot of mess, but I'm pretty happy that my tax dollars went to kidnapping the president of Venezuela. Because I think it was worth it. I think that it was completely worth it. I got my own little bucket of crude. That's what you guys have to understand.

You don't know is that if you hit a certain marker in money, I get a bucket of crude every year. Yeah, yeah. I can do with whatever I want. And honestly, this year, I'm just taking it to the big. Yeah, yeah. You know, you don't have to really take it to the beach because all those little sewer grates, you know, it says there goes right to the beach.

Going on vacation, true. Going on vacation. Yeah, but if I don't drive to the beach, then how am I going to contribute to the pollution going to the beach? Oh, yeah. That's why I said to Waymo. I purposely pick up an order or Waymo, an empty Waymo, to go there and back. But there is a reason why we're talking about all this. Because raising taxes on the rich, that put FDR squarely in the DuPonts crosshairs.

Roosevelt made the DuPonts even angrier when he implemented the Glass-Steagall Act, which prevented the kind of stock manipulation that had led directly to the Great Depression. Glass-Steagall Act, by the way, was repealed in 1999 by Bill fucking Clinton, and its repeal led directly to the Great Recession of 2008. So, yes, this shit is necessary. Because FDR was raising taxes on the rich and putting rules into place that would prevent average Americans from getting fucked over on mass, the DuPonts and other business leaders became convinced that they had to prepare for a literal civil war to prevent their America from being destroyed

by so-called socialists. Does it sound familiar yet? And this is simply because the government was like, you should pay taxes. Yeah. Because the DuPonts were not paying. Like, you got to pay taxes. Like, sorry. And sorry, you can't engage in games that might call.

the stock market crash. You can't do that anymore. And they're like, civil war. It's like you literally will make, maybe, like 2%, 5% less. Like, this is a thing that you're, we're caught in, this idea constantly. This like, the pressure that we just get as a little tiny network of like, why aren't you, uh, why aren't you been done a live show on the moon yet? Like, why are you, where's your, like, it's a kind of shit where you're like, what are you fucking talking about? All I know is 33% of my money is the same as 33% of their fucking money. God damn right.

And so, in 1933, the DuPonts joined a cabal of businessmen in an attempt to actually overthrow the United States government. This came to be known as the business plot or the Wall Street push. This was an actual coup that was attempted in this country. The plan was to overthrow FDR and install a military dictatorship that the business community could control with a general. general named Smedley Butler as a dictator.

Smedley. Yes, guys. I cannot wait to lose the cannons. We're going to go to Frank Butler, but he's like, your name's not evil enough. You're going to have my handle bomb. I'll have my handle bomb. Assets to

attach to sweat as a thing. And when I'm done with them, I'm going to kill the smurf. I actually think that Vice President Gargamel has a lot of adults. And we really should just... Honestly, I think we should hear him out and really kind of see our place.

Now, Butler was approached by a Wall Street broker with all the details of the plot. But Butler, actually, he was a loyal American. He was immediately appalled. He was, however, smart enough to hide it. Butler continued getting information from the broker until he had enough knowledge to testify in front of Congress, where he revealed the plot and the people involved.

And tell me again, if this sounds familiar, but all the plotters had to say was, Nah, I didn't do that. And not a single one of them faced consequences for trying to overthrow a democratically elected president. It's like they caught a mid-coup. They were like, so we caught everything. They were like, oh, oh, no. I didn't do that.

Us? Me? Merely joshing, sir. Is the First Amendment not in this country anymore? Is it not a part of this country anymore? I would choose Smetley. Oh, Smetley's the guy. He's the good one.

Now, after FDR was elected in a landslide in 1936, the DuPonts pretty much resigned themselves. That's also how we got around. Some what's bringing me a surfboard? That's pretty good. Bring out the presidential skateboard. And someone bring the four presidential huskies to pull it. Well, after that re-election, the DuPonts pretty much resigned. themselves to working within the system, and they soon discovered that it really wasn't that

much different from one they'd already been working within for 100 years. They were still able to hire the Pinkerton Detective Agency to infiltrate labor unions and prevent those guys from striking in the north, and they were still able to recruit the KKK to terrorize and murder black workers at their facilities in the South. The DuPont Corporation actually went on a bit of an invention streak in the 30s due to a scientist named Dr. Wallace Carruthers, who developed over 50 patents for the DuPonts. Amongst many other products, Dr. Carruthers invented DuPont's most profitable

product ever. Nylon. Nylon is used in fucking everything. Oh, yes. It's in stockings, curtains, underwear, hairbrushes, toothbrushes, surgical sutures, guitar strings, fishing line. Yoga pants? That's spandex or lycra. Yeah, whatever holds

it in, yeah. So yeah? Yeah. It's far too many products to name here. Is that why they're hard to rip? Because that's so frustrating when a woman is bent over inside of a well and she has just Lulu Lemon kind of these like scent guard ones and they just don't rip. Did you find a website that's all well pornography? No, absolutely not. Well-based. No, I would never do something like that specifically.

Is that why you bought Natalie a bucket for your anniversary? No, that was because of all my chum. So much chum. Realizing now the fetish isn't stockings and islands is wells. It's just something about ripping. You know, it's the wells. Well, I like the trees. I like stonework.

Well, sadly, Dr. Wallace Carruthers suffered from depression throughout his life, and shortly after developing nylon, his son. sister died. He also felt like he'd run out ideas. So in 1937, Carruthers died by suicide after ingesting potassium cyanide in a lonely hotel room. God, that's going to be so bad in the middle. What guy's sitting there?

He's just like, oh, oh, God, I wish I could turn the light on it with a... Oh, fuck, that would have been a bit. Ah! Live from Northland. Now, even though Nylon would be the DuPont's most profitable

product. Don't forget, they're still a munitions company. Oh, wow. And while World War I had been incredibly profitable for the DuPonts, it was nothing compared to what they would make from World War II. Now, the DuPonts were what you'd call early adopters in the Second World War.

As early as 1925, that's just six years after the first war's end. The DuPonts were illegally smuggling arms to warlords in Manchuria, and they had full deals with the Chinese government by 1929. DuPants, however, were all about playing both sides, just so long as one of those sides was in America.

The DuPonts also invested in the Japanese military. Wait a second. These guys are really fun. They're super smart. And when Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, one of the earliest conflicts of World War II and also led to such horrible events as the rape of Nanking, they did so with munitions bearing the name DuPont. DuPont also sold powder and dynamite all over Europe throughout the 1930s, and they even invested over a million dollars into Benito Mussolini's chemical industries in fascist Italy.

And so when World War II began, the DuPont name was all over the battlefield. We were trying to work with Mr. Mussolini. I had a lot of wonderful ideas, but I do feel like the Parmesan gas is not really as effective as it is sort of just making the men gather. where it is and they're eating it with their hands. It's delicious. It's wow. He needs he needed some non-stick teflon on that

noose. I'm a free. I see you later. Hey, I'm a lack of soap. You got a try to hand a soap. I'm sure you're wondering by this point how the Nazis play in all this. And let me tell you that DuPonts do not disappoint.

Fuck yeah, dude. Fuck yeah. Don't leave a fucking set on the table. Yeah. See, it was illegal to sell arms to Germany after World War I because of the Treaty of Versailles. So in the 1920s, the DuPonts got around this treaty by arranging for the Germans to, quote-unquote,

steal powder and dynamite in Turkey. By 1933, the year Hitler took power. The DuPonts were smuggling shipments of munitions into Germany through the Netherlands. Then they purchased a 20% stake in Hitler's largest German munitions manufacturer.

See, yeah, this is business guy. It is business. Well, I mean, speaking of business by this point, and this is something that goes way under the radar, an American Senate munitions committee had agreed to allow American companies to sell munitions to Nazi Germany. To be fair, British and French munitions companies were also selling to the Nazis in 1934. I mean, how else are they going to win? Yeah, I mean, I'm just, you know, because they got a real return on their investment, didn't they? Yeah. But regardless of who all was doing it, the DuPonts were indeed one of the companies, support.

applying the Nazi war machine in 1934 in advance of Hitler's conquest. As a result, I'm willing to bet that more than a few polls were murdered by DuPont munitions when the Nazis marched east a few years later. Depontz, however, remained publicly neutral regarding the rise of fascism in Europe until, of course, America entered the freight. They really wanted to distract the Polish. They could have dropped a lot of sheer panty hose. All over the little villages filled with wells.

So many wells out there on the little villages and just imagining all those little, the peasants struggling with the pantyhose. That really would have... The Goronskies and the Balonskis and the Zabovs and the fucking

the Gorskis. The Gorskis were certain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how many fucking kilbasa you could fit in pantyhose? Well, I mean, you know, four. Yeah, if they're long. Behind the scenes, in the highest levels of the United States government in the 1930s,

Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his cabinet made a secret industrial mobilization plan that would have 20,000 factories, including DuPont factories, switched to the production of war materials. In 1940, Congress approved a $17 billion arms program. And as we all know, World War II did indeed do quite a bit to get America out of the Depression that was, of course, caused by families like the DuPont. So arms manufacturers got us into it, and they got us out of it as well.

One of the little-known facts about America's involvement in World War II is that DuPont did have an inadvertent role to play in Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. See, Silk had been Japan's biggest export, but DuPont had effectively replaced silk with nylon. That cratered Japan's economy, the yen fell at the low, low levels. Japan saw this as an effective declaration of economic war. And while this, of course, wasn't Japan's, only reason for attacking America,

it absolutely contributed to the decision. And honestly, I'm trying to pull, I said this before, but I'm trying to go back to all the old fabrics. Yeah. Trying to get back into it because they're made better, they feel better, and it's nicer. So it's like, you know, silk is nicer than nylon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just more expensive. My pants are made out of lamb skin. Not oligetic. And also, what's nice is, natural body heat makes it kind of smell like it's eastern here. Bad. Now, once America got into World War II, it's a rosemary.

The DuPonts didn't really have a problem with FDR anymore. DuPont produced 70% of the explosives used by the United States during the war. 4.5 billion pounds of explosives in all. They also sold 38 million yards of nylon for parachutes, 93 million pounds of cellophane to wrap rations and drugs, paint to cover the halls of the entire United States Navy, and 51,000 miles of DuPont film to capture the action. This, of course, is only a fraction of what DuPont made for the government during the war,

not to mention what they made for the Allies. United States military, for example, bought 11 million pounds of the incredibly cancerous insecticide DDT. That's another DuPont product, to de laus troops, and kill malaria spreading mosquitoes in the Pacific theater. I hate mosquitoes. Yeah. No, I hate mosquitoes, too. And from what I remember, the cessation of DDT use in New York City

is why bedbugs made such a huge comeback when we all moved there in the mid-2000s. So there's trade-offs. It's actually, DDT is having, like, a reconsideration moment. Like, they've been, like, it's kind of funny. Like, they've been saying now that they think that there might have been, which is hilarious. The idea that now they're, like, defending DDT to come out and, say it might not be as bad

as we originally thought it was and now they're starting to say actually the damage that bedbugs ticks, mosquitoes do might actually equal out to whatever other environmental or health disease DDT does to you. Breast cancer.

That's what DDT causes. I'm sure if it was testicular cancer people would probably have a lot more to say about it but since it's breast cancer, ah. Well because you know it's hard. It all even so. With testicular cancer it's like one of the most you can fix it.

And then you also get the cancer special. You get to be Tom Green. Tom Green got a lot of mileage out of it. And without breast cancer, I wouldn't wear pink in October. Yeah, you'd never would. Unless, of course, when he's dressing his transmiss piggy.

Now, by the end of World War II, the DePonts had profited the modern equivalent of $13 billion, which proves that there is still plenty of absolutely obscene profit to be had, even when these people pay their taxes. But out of everything that the DuPonts did during the war, there was nothing more destructive than what they contributed to the weapons America dropped from the air. In another surprising turn, the DuPonts were intimately involved with the Manhattan Project.

Now, Los Alamos was the site where the atomic bomb was built and developed, but the military needed a company to process the radioactive fuel used in the Fat Man and Little Boy bombs. So, General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project, he approached DuPont to see if they were interested. Now, the DuPonts were hesitant because the conditions for participating in the Manhattan Project

were that they couldn't profit off their work, nor could they hold the patents to anything they produced profit later. Like, oh, I don't know. Well, in the end, the DuPonts did it for America, I suppose, and agreed to participate. As long as it's an atomic bomb, we will work for without profits, okay? How many people can it kill at once?

We'll do that for the love of it. Yeah. Yeah, love of the game? Absolutely, of course. How big of a hole? How many Japanese? Yeah, absolutely. Let's do it twice.

DuPont's response is responsible for so many deaths. This is just changed their name to the Vatican. Yay! Got you, Chicago Pope. Suck my dick! No, in short order, DuPont built the Oak Ridge Plant in Tennessee. and the Hamford site in Washington State. These were where we developed and manufactured nuclear materials for the bombs that we dropped on Japan.

And since there was no profit to be had, it seems as if DuPont's standards for safety were even lower than usual. At Oak Ridge and Tennessee, for example, 50 million pounds of uranium chips were simply stored in dumpsters and buried in shallow trenches, while another 12 million cubic feet of radioactive waste was just putting in. the ground, right alongside the uranium. Is it cool that these mounds are humming? I just want to know. I have this paper mask on. I'll be okay, right?

That's great. Great, great, great, absolutely, because it's like, it's green over here. Like, I can't see anymore. Is that a, okay, that's a common side. I'm burn out? Yeah. Well, that explains the singing bush. Oh, yeah.

He was saying horrible things earlier because it was, we called the slurring version of Bush this morning. But then we just change that bush's name to George. As for the Hamford site in Washington State, it is believed that the DuPont Company allowed 400 billion gallons of contaminated waste to seep into the earth. All this shit naturally found its way into the groundwater at both locations. As a result of this incredibly lazy disposal, some workers at Oak Ridge had a 900% increased chance of getting leukemia, while workers and locals at Hamford reported elevated instances of thyroid

ailments, infertility, miscarriages, deformed babies, and of course, leukemia. And all of that is in addition to the fact that these sites, DuPont sites, produced the uranium that was used in the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both of which were brought to you by DuPont. Okay, and all of this is in addition to the fact that these sites produced the uranium that was used, in the bombs, dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both of which were brought to you by DuPont. That's right. And here comes Jack Gordon rolling around the travel once again in that DuPont car. Yeah, no, they are responsible for the deaths of a million Japanese civilians.

Yeah. And that's for starters. Yeah. Actually, it's not even for starters. That's like for middles. Yeah. Hey, I kind of cut it in half. Because we're already in a war.

Sure. Right. Now, the Atomalms were not the only DuPont product dropped on Japan from the air during World War II. The DuPonts were also massive manufacturers of one of the most evil wartime products to ever be used. Napalm. Honestly, yeah, it's bad. It's really bad. Developed at Harvard in 1942, Napalm is a fire weapon.

It's a gelling agent. mixed with gasoline or diesel that allows it to spread across large areas and insert itself into every little crevice, all while it burns at temperatures of up to 1,200 degrees. My question is, isn't this weapon used for just like Agent Orange? Wasn't the idea, was it to clear out foliage? No. No, because I didn't know. That was the excuse, quote unquote, the excuse, like with Agent Orange, the idea was to, like, kill all the plants.

Well, that was Agent Orange. No. And Napalm was used specifically. to destroy cities and kill civilians. And just kill wanton violence. Yeah, it really is just used to kill and destroy. I mean, as far as how hot it burns, to put it into perspective, cremations start at about 1,400 degrees.

And Napalm's chemical makeup allows it to sustain these temperatures for a long time while also generating massive amounts of carbon monoxide. That means that Napalm suffocates you while it simultaneously melts your flesh. I mean, a lot of things on YouTube say you begin your cremation at 4.4. 1400 degrees, but I've actually been doing a lot about like sometimes you can get a better my yard reaction on the body if you start on a cold slab and then turn up the heat. Yeah. Well, the reason why I know that it wasn't just for defoliations is because when they started going up in front of Congress, you know, people were starting to say like, okay, this napalm is the worst shit ever. People at DuPont and at, what was the other one, Dow Chemical would say like, no, no, no, the point of name.

Naipalm is that it removes all the oxygen from the air. So you suffocate before you burn. It's actually very humane. It's just hard because then you're up like five congressmen and three of them are going, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can do that some little girls.

Yeah. Well, when napalm was invented at Harvard by Louis Fisor, who interestingly was the same guy who developed certain important blood clotting agents and anti-malarial drugs. Oh, he just like clots. Yeah. Napalm was actually made with natural rubber, which was hard to get.

But here's where the DuPont's coming to play. Lambskin. It's a meat jelly. When Dr. Pfizer approached DuPont with the problem, like, hey, I got this great stuff that burns a lot, but I got to use natural rubber. DuPont, they brought standard oil into the game. And all three of these people worked together

to develop synthetic rubber, and thus DuPont made it possible for Napalm to be cheaply mass produced. Yeah, but also those little bouncy balls in the quarter machines. Oh, yeah. You can make those too.

Yeah, they're fun, dude. It's a blast. You know what's nice to hear... Yeah, my little fidget cube, this is probably made with DuPont products. Oh, yeah, dude. But you know, like, there's so much division now.

It's just so nice to see these companies getting together and, like, working on a common idea. Yeah. It's nice. This is the third space. that we've been talking about. A place where CEOs can meet

and destroy the world comfortably. The napalm was primarily used against Japan during World War II. And I really don't think it's a coincidence that Napalm was used in the decades after on mostly non-white combatants. Because it seems like it was seen

as too cruel of a weapon to use against those of European descent. And there's proof for this. Did they just not have it in time? No, they had it. The firebombing of Dresden, for example, was magnesium-based. That killed about 22,000 people. Fire bombing of Tokyo, however, the deadliest air raid in history.

That primarily used napalm and burned or suffocated nearly 100,000 civilians. On March 10, 1945, cluster bombs were dispersed over Tokyo with incendiary bomblets filled with 1.2 million gallons of DuPont-made napalm. And by the end of the operation, a quarter of Tokyo, was simply erased off the earth by DuPont products. And also the chemical used to make synthetic rubber in napalm also causes cancer. Oh, well, that's just if you live. Obviously, if you live through it.

No, I'm not about the people who make the napalm. They're also getting cancer in the plants from making the napalm. Good. From working with the synthetic rubber. That's great to hear. Honestly, it's nice to see because the only time I make incendiary bomblets is when I'm done getting my Rup repair-made napalm. But I'm going to get that super out-trial.

Entic spicy tie, man. Ooh, I'm making some fucking bomblets, dude. Just to think about the numbers here on that, 100,000 people, you know, we just kind of like move past that. It's in two days, yeah. It's in two days. Pearl Harbor was 3,000. Yes.

And we have a fucking holiday. You know, 9-11 was 3,000. We killed 100,000 people in two days in Tokyo. Yeah, where's their holiday? Yeah, where's that holiday? Well, we don't have it. They have remembrances. Yeah, but did they turn into a barbecue?

Oh, do they? have fun with it? Do they have a dance? Santa with it? Did it not really a celebration? Japan, get on it. Be better, do better. Now, after the DuPonts spread as much death and destruction as they could across Europe and Asia, they turned their sights south after World War II,

using another one of their non-munitions companies. This one, however, had nothing to do with chemicals. This one was all about food. See, it's a little known fact. But the DuPonts had held a controlling interest in the legendary evil United Fruit Company since the 1920s. This was the company behind South America's so-called banana republics. Now, those of you steeped in history know that United Fruit is part of the reason why large parts of South America are still fucked to this day. Basically, United Fruit turned South American countries into single export economies,

where the only thing that mattered was how many bananas they could produce, i.e., that's where the term banana republic comes from. Workers naturally rose up against the horrible working conditions imposed by United Fruit and DuPont. But because DuPont had far more freedom to be evil down in South America amongst a powerless population, thousands died as a result. So where DuPont had to be a little sneaky about busting unions in America, down south, they showed what they would do if there were,

No guard rails. In countries like, say, Colombia, they could use government soldiers to simply open fire on workers. This resulted in tragedies like the Banana Massacre of 1928, in which up to 3,000 protesting workers were murdered and dumped into either mass graves or the ocean. They just open fire on these people. Yeah, man. And, like, you have to, like, hold these people accountable. And that's why I shop at Tommy Bahama. It's a really good, very irresponsible thing.

And honestly, I'm just glad that no bananas were hurt. No. The banana massacre of 1928, just because bananas are innocent here. They are. Now, by the 1950s, DuPont's United Fruit began working with the United States government directly because the Secretary of State under President Dwight D. Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles, as well as his brother, CIA director, Alan Dulles, both of those guys had done legal work for United Fruit.

Everybody, I don't like everybody being family members. Yeah. It's like the same names keep popping up. Over and over and over and over again. The United Fruit specifically had a problem with Guatemala because Guatemala had democratically elected a president who had instituted sweeping reforms that included redistributing unused United Fruit land

to families and rural. farmers. Hey man, I voted for Guatemala Harris. You racist fuck. Is it? I don't know. I think it's too confused. I think it's too stupid. I think it's too stupid. I think it's too stupid. Because you know what? Makes

no sense at all in any way whatsoever. I see Guatemala Harris on Rupol's drag race. You know what I mean? Like, I see a small, chubby Filipino drag queen named Guatemala Harris. I see that too, yeah. Yeah. Well, Guatemala.

Well, I don't choose what. You're right, go figure it out. Let's go ahead. How many further? If you ever want me for celebrity drag race, Martha Sparks, I got it locked and loaded. It's ready to go. Henry Zabrowski, literally just browsed, like with the brows, capitalizes it. E.D. Larson. Very good.

Well, DuPont's united fruit. They didn't like that the Guatemalans had democratically elected a man who had socialist policies. And since this all had the flavor of communism, DuPont contacted their old friend, Alan Dulles in the CIA to see what the United States government could do about all this. And so, Dulles went all in. He gave a hundred CIA agents and $7 million to Dupont's United Fruit in order to overthrow Guatemala's democratically elected government, all so they could install someone who was willing to do anything that United Fruit and Dupont wanted. Interestingly, this CIA-backed coup. This was where the CIA printed its very first assassination booklets.

They were, I actually have a, one of the archive saved versions of their assassination booklets and they have these, it's very interesting because the idea is to spread it amongst the people and they'll really be into it. Most of them are all like, K. Yeah, 4K, why are you doing this? Do not want to die. Yeah, do not want to kill people. Please leave us alone. And the CIA also was like not good at this. Yeah. Well, I mean, they did it. I mean, it was successful. But then it's like. It fucked everything up. Well, the thing is the CIA was really good at doing it. It was the follow-through that the CIA was really bad at.

It turns out it's super crucial. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in the end, the assassination booklets actually weren't really needed. The CIA had used a PR firm to spread false propaganda that Guatemala had been taken over by communist Soviets, which it hadn't. But because the PR was effective, the coup was fully supported. and it was achieved with a relatively low body count. And so the CIA installed a military dictatorship and DuPont's United Fruit was welcomed as corporate aid to the government.

This installation, however, led to a civil war in Guatemala just a few years later. That civil war lasted for over three decades. It was the leftist rebels versus the United Fruit and the United States-backed Guatemalan military death squads. Hundreds of thousands of people died. indigenous Mayans. They were killed before a treaty was finally signed in 1996. And by the way, United Fruit, still around. Since 1984, it's been known by the adorable name of Chiquita Banana. I like the lady. You know, bananas and give you potassium. I shop dole.

I grow my own bananas. Really? Yep. Yep. And his hammock. A real small pink and gray. Now, after World War II, the DePonts made five and a half billion off the Korean War, where Nepal was used to the tune of 80 tons a day. Thank God. I was actually concerned.

I was hoping they'd make money on the Korean War. Yeah. Oh, yeah, don't worry. Plenty. At least we won. Yeah. Yeah, at least that war. Solid victory.

Everybody love that one. It's not like the North Korean leader just today named his heir. It's the girl, right? It's the girl, as his daughter. It's all, one day we will do an un family run. I want to do it so bad. One day, it's just hard to, it's just hard to know exactly what the fuck is going on there. What happened?

How is North Korea going to have a female leader before us? Seriously, buddy. No, it's fascinating. It is like, we're watching that country. Something's going to change inside of that country, but yeah, it's the first female leader. It's amazing. Yeah. The DePont also began moving their operations overseas.

and by 1970, half of their chemical plants were in Latin America, which had already been effectively colonized by the DuPont Company United Fruit. DuPont was also heavily invested in Southeast Asia, which meant that they absolutely had a large stake in the Vietnam War. At least we want that. Yeah, I mean, I know it's so much. Because again, and you said, oh, without these DuPonts, we wouldn't have the Holocaust. Yeah, sure, but also without the Pons, you know, so we wouldn't have fucking CCR, dude.

Yeah, I know. Credence, man. I know. Credence, brother. Yeah, at least they're still together. John Fogarty, super fair. You know what I'll trade? I'll give up CCR.

I'll give up. I'll give up. You fucker. You're down on a bayou. Yeah, I'll give it up. You are one fortunate son. Oh, I guess so. Have you ever even seen the rain?

Well, well, Well, Dao Chemical got most of the bad press for making the napalm for the Vietnam War, DuPont absolutely contributed their fair share. Yeah, they were like the Scotty Pippin. Yeah. U.S. forces dropped 350,000 tons of napalm on Vietnam over the course of the war. But napalm ended up hurting the war effort in the end. The infamous photo of the Vietnamese girl running naked and screaming was taken after that girl had been burned in a napalm attack. And that photo alone did quite a bit to change American opinion on the Vietnam War.

My uncle was sprayed with Agent Orange. And that's the reason why they were all, uh, my, a lot of my cousins were mentally handicapped. I don't know if Agent, I don't know who made Agent Orange. I think that was Dow. Is that Dow? I'm pretty sure that was Dowell that made Agent Orange. Yeah, he got sprayed real bad with it. Yeah, Dow's also pretty bad.

No, yeah, it's bad. Yeah. I'm saying it's all bad over there. Vietnam sounded like it was really complicated. Yeah. Actually, it was quite simple. Yeah. But the tunes.

But out of all the sentence of the DuPont family, and we skipped over hundreds, their worst might be in the forever chemicals that they have knowingly and callously introduced into the bodies of each and every person listening right now. And the most insidious of those forever chemicals was introduced by the seemingly innocuous product known as Teflon. Now, we all know what Teflon is.

keeps shit from sticking to pans. But Teflon is also used in the manufacture of carpets, shampoos, smartphones, paint, furniture, adhesives, food packaging, cosmetics, and much, much more. It is resistant to heat, oil, grease, and water, and has therefore become an integral part of the modern world. It's almost like it doesn't exist.

Yeah, it's everywhere. You know what I mean? We're like in a way where it's just like, it's so cute and it's so harmless, and it doesn't do anything and nothing touches it. It's just, it's innocent and it's sweet. Yeah. No, it's actually one of the worst things to ever be introduced into the world.

Yeah. It's because there's something about a chemical that's made that no one can touch it. You know what I mean? Like, it's like the thing where it's, the one thing it does is deny all physical engagement with the world. Yeah. And it turns out that the thing that is extremely resistant to water is also really harmful to bodies that are made primarily of water. 70% water. Yeah, yeah, you know, but, you know, this is all coming from the people who helped us make bullets.

Yeah, they're literally like, oh, you want to stick a fucking dynamite? Teflod, brought to you by the company that brought you Nagasaki. Yeah, they're all like, oh, sorry, we took a long time to kill you. We could do it once. You want to do it at once? Oh, we'll fucking kill everybody immediately. Well, Teflon is made with a chemical that is commonly known as C8. C8 falls under the umbrella of forever chemicals,

meaning that it never leaves your body and it causes adverse health effects like cancer. It's like we're adopting it. Yeah, it's part of us. C8 is what you call biopersistent, meaning that it will not and cannot be removed from your blood. It remains in your body even after you die. That's so romantic. And it's actually so horrible in every way that it is.

referred to by chemists as the devil's piss. And I should know because I drink piss. But one of the many, many ways in which C8 gets an aura bloodstream. Remember how many things I said that Teflon is in. Lipstick, shampoo. But one of the many ways that it gets into our bloodstreams, like say you have a pan that's coated with Teflon and you use it for a long time. After a while, bits of Teflon start to flake off into your food.

you therefore ingest C8, which significantly increases cancer risk amongst other health problems. I mean, imagine how many restaurants you go to. A little bit's Teflon. Oh, yeah. Flake off. You know, in your own home, everywhere. That's how it gets into everything and everyone. Well, now I just straight up eat credit cards.

Like, now I just, I eat a credit card. It's just like, I don't really care. I honestly kind of feel they've been talking about the loneliness epidemic. And it's nice to have something that's with you always. Yeah. Yeah. And like, forever chemicals are a great investment. because they last forever.

Yeah. It's true. Now you're thinking like a businessman. See? That's all ticks. She's got a couple of shares. I hate sharing. Now the DuPants began manufacturing Teflon

sometime in the late 30s or early 40s, and they did so in conjunction with another American chemical giant, 3M. Both companies, of course, said when they began using C8 that it was an inert substance that had no adverse health effects. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like it doesn't exist.

it doesn't exist. No, that was a guess, or let's say a hope. Oh. Because they hadn't actually done any studies on C8's effects when they introduced it into the public. Can I ask why you're an enemy of hope? Yeah. That'll be an enemy of plenty of. Yeah, I'm an enemy of hope.

Why are you an enemy of hope? Because hope. See what happens with these liberals? You can't engage with them on anything. They're monsters. They're mean. Now, please just die. All right.

Eventually. Yes. Well, 3M finally got around to doing some testing in the early 50s. And what they found was immediately disturbing. They began testing C8 on rats and found that not only did all the fetuses and the pregnant rats die, but all of the rats developed fatal tumors. Oh, okay, so we stopped using it. No, honestly, the mice can't use it.

Obviously, it's a mice-bound problem. They'll never get the uses of Teflon. What a great episode. Well, they did think, like, okay, well, causes tumors and rats. Let's try it on dogs and monkeys. Yeah! Ten years later, by the 1960s. Please don't try it on me.

I'm sold it to the mask. I'm just an whole hound dog. Don't do it to me. Let's see if we can't even... I bet you can't even get you wet. Try to spray it with a hole. The water just beads all over it. This is not wetting dog.

Nope. All the dogs and all the monkeys developed huge tumors and died. In fact, they found that the monkeys died with the lowest doses of C8 out of all the animals tested, which tells you it's probably really bad for humans too.

Yeah, they said it's one part to one billion, so a drop in a swimming pool, the Olympic swimming pool. Yeah, and that's enough to fuck you up. Yes. Yeah. And eventually 3M learned that C8 actually has adverse effects on DNA itself. It is changing

our DNA. And so when 3M learned how toxic C8 really was, they went to DuPont and told them that, well, you know, we're not saying you got to remove C8 from all your products. We're just saying you probably shouldn't dump anything containing C8

into local water supplies. Just try that. Just don't do that. Just don't do that. Not saying you got to take it out of everything. Just saying, disposed a properly. DuPont, of course, said, fuck you, and continue dumping it wherever they want it. And this is where I like literally

watching that documentary, it's so hard because every serial killer documentary I watch, which I love, you know, I love all the, like, her panties were found stuffed inside her cavity. Like, I like that, right? That provides, like, almost a sense of comfort to me. So your ASMR, yeah.

Yes, but then, like, watching the poor people on this, honestly, this wonderful documentary, just like a guy with like three eyes just going, you know, I just are happy to be alive, it's just too unknow responsible teens, you could pass him, it's just nice to see rainbows. And you're just in there just like, Jesus

fucking Christ. Yep, the devil we know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bucky's all right. He's a go, yeah, I mean, he's doing great. Yeah, I'm just saying. Honestly, like, I was like, not that guy, I'm talking, it's just everybody's jacked up. Yeah, no, but, yeah, but he's sitting there like, yes, and when they had to put the balloon into my forehead

to make my head, it was the worst thing I've ever felt my life. This is like the most upsetting thing I've ever watched. Yeah, they had to put a balloon in his forehead to stretch his skin so they could take the skin from his forehead and give him a second nostril because he was born with only one nostril. It's bad. Yeah, yeah. And that's all due to the C8

exposure suffered by his mother when she was pregnant with Bucky. Yeah, who's co-worker, the same thing happened to her and her child. Yeah. Now, it was noticed starting way back in the 1970s that people who lived near DePont C8 plants were developing cancer at rates 20 to 30% higher than the rest of the

population, and women who worked in those plants were giving birth to children with incredible physical deformities. DePont, however, kept using it in countless products, and they themselves knew that C8 had spread everywhere. See, DePont had done their own research. Because they realized if we make everybody deformed, that's the new base. That's new baseline, yeah. Well, DePont had done their own research on C8 in 1960, but they discovered when they wanted

to compare blood contaminated with C8 to a good. clean sample that no clean sample existed in anyone. They searched everywhere for a clean sample, but they eventually had to use preserved blood from Army servicemen taken before 1950 to find blood that did not contain any C8. This was in 1960. And today, it is estimated that C8 is in the blood of 99% of Americans, if not 99% of the world. Congratulations, DuPont.

You did it. Total market coverage. Yeah, it's really good work, guys. There's some, oh, wow. But to the credit of 3M, they did voluntarily remove C8 from their products in, you know, in the year 2000.

It took them a while, but they did take it out. I mean, it's hard. It's hard. They realized it was bad, and they stopped making it. Yeah, and then they phased it out completely by 2002. DuPont, meanwhile, increased production. And they built a new C-8 plant in Fayetteville, North Carolina, around the same time that 3M was pulling C8 out of all their products. That's right. So they started making it themselves just so they can keep using it. Yes. Now, the effects of C8 weren't known for a long time because DuPont usually built its most

dangerous chemical factories in poor southern towns, where the people become dependent upon and even grateful for the deadly jobs that DuPont provides. You have people that will defend. fined DuPont until the day they die because DuPont gave them a paycheck. Yeah, because they gave them the fucking one-bedroom house that their 10 family members live in. Which also just shows what the U.S. government could do, helping people

get homes and helping people like what that could do versus letting it be up to the corporations to do it that then poison all of us. Yes. DuPont also spent decades successfully lobbying the media to prevent reporting on the horrors of C-8. DuPont actually has

a long and successful history. of influencing not just the media, but the government as well, mostly to get policies legislated in their favor. There have actually been several DuPont loyalists appointed to the Environmental Protection Agency over the years, and those men have been instrumental in shutting down investigations into C8. And just like the oil companies have done with climate change, DuPont has their own team of scientists who are paid to create reports that C8 poses no risk, who we can all use Teflon as much as we want without worrying. Eat it with a spoon.

sandwich. Everyone loves Teflon. Honestly, I've been trying to put it on a sandwich. It just won't stink. That's why... It's a fun game for the kids. Straight from the VAT. But by the mid-2000s, enough horror stories about C-8 were making the rounds that a number of lawyers put together

a class-action lawsuit against DuPont. During the discovery process, it was found that DuPont had known about the dangers of C-8 since the 1960s and had done nothing. In fact, they'd done worse than nothing. They had provably doubled down on production and had increased their PR budget to keep C8 stories out of the media. It was also found that DuPont had been dumping 50,000 pounds of C8 into the Ohio River every year for decades.

Yeah. Do you know how many people I know in Cincinnati that have had cancer? A lot. It's fucked up. It's insane how much they're really messing with everybody. That whole area of the world right now with like Northern Pennsylvania, Jersey, that whole thing has become a cesspool of environmental, massive environmental fuck-ups. Remember that train collapsed with a fucking waste on it that went into the river? This is like a thing that happens again and again and again and we're all just like, yeah, well, hopefully they don't poison too many of the people.

Like we're just kind of hoping it doesn't fully kill everybody. Yeah. Now, it was obvious that DuPont was going to lose this class action lawsuit if it went to trial. That's how incredibly guilty they were. Do you know how incredibly guilty a corporation has to be to lose a class action lawsuit? So they offered a $347 million settlement instead. Oh, for everybody. That works.

Yeah. Everybody gets $1. Everybody that's ever tasted C8 gets one singular dollar. Well, in a selfless move, the plaintiffs decided to use that money to put together a long-term scientific study. to look into the effects of C8 and prove that it caused health problems. After this seven-year study was through, C-8 in drinking water was linked to kidney cancer,

testicular cancer, thyroid disease, fatal preeclampsia, high cholesterol, and ulcerative colitis, which leads to colon cancer. Cullen cancer, by the way, is killing our generation en masse as we speak. It fucking killed James Vanderbeek yesterday. It is killing us at an incredible rate.

I'm going to say right now, we got to start a new campaign to screen millennials and generation Xers for colon cancer. I'm going to call it, I don't want your death. Get checked. Honestly, guys, preemptively get your buttholes checked. You're going to want to eat more fiber. You're going to want to drink more water. Well, I don't know about drinking more water because this whole thing has made me fucking paranoid about drinking tap water.

Because we don't know how, because so much. Well, even filtered. Filtered don't fucking take care. C8. Don't take care. I think it's too late, buddy. Yeah, I know. I know. But, you know, you get your, you can drink out of a plastic bottle. And that'll be fine.

You know what I've done this recently? You know what I've liked recently? I've had a hard week, man. I open up a gallon Ziploc bag. I fill water. I fill it from tap into the gallon Ziploc bag, and I just leave it in a car for a couple hours. And I let the natural heat of the sun. The sun, yeah.

Bake it. Yeah. Yeah, so it really gets. Filled with plastic. Now, DuPont promised to phase out C8 in 2015, but their shenanigans were not over. Instead of using C8 for Teflon and other products, because we can't live without Teflon. No. They are now using a chemical compound that they seriously called Gen X. No independent studies have been done on Gen X, but DuPont's internal studies on rats have shown, you guessed it, tumors and death.

What? Just like with C8. Our water and our bodies are now also full of Gen Xx in addition to C8 and a ton of other forever chemicals besides. Now that's admittedly a lot of heavy shit, and I really wish we could have ended this exploration to the evils of the DuPonts on a higher note. The only way to end in the high note is and then every member of the DuPont family was then subsequently lined up shot in the head. And their money was disseminated amongst the entire world. They stopped hiring the KKK and the Pinkertons and everything is fine. But I suppose all I can say is that these are the people in charge of our lives and have been for some time.

And if the Epstein files tell you anything, it's that these people are betting on collapse and misery more than they ever have. They are betting on collapse to make money on the collapse. They are actively pushing for it. They want to kill us just to make the money for a world in which there's none of us to work for them. Yes, but whether or not we let them push us over the cliff is up to us. Something needs to be done to remove these people from their positions of power, because it is quite obvious that they are more than willing to die right alongside the rest of us if it means that they can make profit right up to the point where their fucking heart stops.

It has become existential, and we need a fucking plan. But until that plan can be formulated and implemented, join us next week as we take a little break from the DuPonts to hear an episode led by our very very own Ed Larson while these boys are doing two shows up in Alaska. Yeah. So we're going to be a little change in the schedule because we will be leaving town early next week to go to the

fair state of Alaska. Please join us last podcast on the left.com. You can buy tickets for that that are still available for Fairbanks. I think we'll be there tomorrow when this episode comes out for everyone. We'll be there. So go buy tickets there if you would. But then we're coming back with the Foxcatcher

killer. The week after that, join us for the finale of our DuPont series where we're going to see what happens when one of these DuPonts are left to spin their wheels and create their own fantasy world, which results in what else but murder. Yes. Yeah. Muda. Finally. I'm so tired of some murder.

Some pure old-fashioned murder. Finally, someone's just going to, one guy's just going to shoot another guy. That's what I did. It's not going to be on the... Yeah, just real simple, one-on-one, violence, idiot shooting a wrestler. We literally did this series because of how angry we are. Like, this is, this was not supposed to be this way. I already see several people sending emails.

Oh, this is a lot of horror story. There's a lot of historical context. But it's really just because we're furious and we want to talk about these things, even amongst ourselves. Yeah. And that's why we do this fucking show. Because we're here to talk about things that interest us in this fucking world. And I think it's important to know. It is.

It's very important enough. I think this episode had the most death. You know, I think it might have, out of every episode we've ever done, this might be the most death. Yeah, I think you're right. Of all of them. Every single episode. But also remember, though, we have a lot of true crime coming down the pipe. Yeah, we do.

So I want you to understand that. We have a lot of true crime coming. And then right after my true crime series, I'm going to just say it, I'm doing a true crime series. You are. We then are going to introduce another head on the Mount Rushmore of Evil, which I think you might be very, very surprised what it is. So we're here. We're in it. We're locked in for the rest of your fucking life.

Hail Satan, I'll see you when I'm fucking dead. By the way, I looked it up just to see who, like, because you mentioned Bill Clinton. I wanted to see who 3M and all of them were donating to now, who DuPont was donating to now. Their number one donation is to a place called The Committed to America Pack, and their only person that they give money to is Mike Pence. And then the second person that they gave the most amount of money to was Kamala Harris. So that's what we got going on. They're still playing both sides. Yes.

No, they are absolutely playing both sides and the fucking establishment of both parties are corrupt and fucking evil. Just one of them is a little more up front about it. The whole fucking system needs to be wiped away and we need to fucking change. And my friend Charlotte... Massive, massive change.

My friend Charlotte introduced me to a pont member of the family that was deeply involved in a full anti-Jewish cult run by Lyndon LaRouche. This goes... There's a lot here. There's a lot here. There's a lot. So... There is a lot. Happy hunting.

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When USA, you see that at night, silk stockings. Yeah, silk stockings. Nylon stockings. Yeah, Gilbert Gawford up all night is when you would have to alternate between masturbating to bikini girls and then you'd have to listen to Gilbert Gopry to talk for a little while. That's how you learn how to do it. It's how you get re-going to do it again. I'm just glad we ripped open this topic like a pair of thin panty hoax of the struggling butt of a woman.

Stuck in a while. a well. Stuck in a well. Stuck in a well. Well, come see us on tour. February 28th, Austin, Texas, March 13th,

Indianapolis, April 25th, Cincinnati, May 29th, Pittsburgh. Wow, we're really doing the DuPont tour. Yeah. That should be your next door.

Yeah, the DuPont Cancer Tour. Yeah. June 27th, Grand Rapids, Michigan, July 17th, Tulsa, Oklahoma, July 18th, Oklahoma City. Come see us live on the road. This shit is.

fun, dude. That's right. Yeah, fuck that, dude. We'll see you out in the ice. Hail Satan. Hell, Ging, get your colon check. Get your fucking asshole check. Yeah, and hail, uh, Bucky Bailey. Hell Bucky. I like Bucky. I like Bucky a lot. Who's Bucky Bailey? He's the guy in the documentary. Oh, yeah, he is a sweet man. He was.