Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 669: Anton LaVey Part IV - Old Wizards Die Hard

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

The boys close out the story of Anton LaVey with Sammy Davis Jr.’s unlikely turn as Satanic showbiz royalty, Michael Aquino’s nerdy revolt against the Church of Satan, and the Satanic Panic that t...ransformed the Black Pope from America’s boogeyman into a washed-up warlock clinging to lawsuits, legends, and one final lie. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 There's no place to escape to this is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. We'll load you up, bro. Before we begin in today's episode, I want to warn you about the level of nerdiness we're about to enter into. Eddie was not ready. He was not prepared as we were talking in a preamble about the things that we wanted to bring up in today's episode. He was actually, I could kind of feel his disappointment.
Starting point is 00:00:37 But also, I mean... Disappointment, I felt indifference. Yeah, yeah. See, I think what's good about the nerdiness in these episodes is I was able to lose my respect for both of you. And it really helps me as an employee. It allows you to make braver choices. It happens with all of them. Congratulations.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Welcome to the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name's Marcus Parks. I'm here with the scholarly Henry Zabrowski. I'm going to end this whole show with a sort of... allegorical rundown of how I'm going to ply Gandalf's entire, like, life traveling moments, all the things he learned to the story of Anton LeVay. But that is at the end, so there's going to be plenty of fun until then. Spoilers!
Starting point is 00:01:23 We have the man that's bringing us the fun. It's Ed Larson. That's right, man. I know what I did today. I want to bring up the cool. I got my George Clinton shirt on. Yeah, hell yeah. I wanted to make sure that everyone knew that at least one of us is kind of cool.
Starting point is 00:01:37 I brought it back down with my Neil Adams Batman T-shirt. Actually, I think I destroy everything with my two-volume set of the history of the Church of Satan, written by Michael Aquino, 700 pages of total correspondence mayhem. 700 pages each? No, 350 pages each, and one of the books is just the appendices for the first one. Yeah, very much smack of copy paper. Oh, yeah, this is great. Hey, this come, you're going to, honestly, I'm really happy.
Starting point is 00:02:09 A lot of you can run these at work. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's a, uh, your, your satanic sacrifice was, uh, getting late again. Hey. She won't read it. Also, you want to see naked pictures of Susan Atkins? Who's Susan Atkins? Susan Atkins, the Manson girl.
Starting point is 00:02:25 There's some naked pictures in here. It's awesome. Oh, okay. Dude, you fucking don't know how cool shit can be once you get books. You know, you know they have the internet. No, man. This is how I like to masturbate. I like to masturbate with gigantic, like, little,
Starting point is 00:02:37 plate sections and appendices. Look at that. Look at these bananas. There's some hot 70s babies in this shit. Henry uses stage blood as fucking body lotion when he jerks off. Uncentric. Well, we're not going to get into
Starting point is 00:02:53 the nerdy just yet. We're still in the cool. We're still in the story of Sammy Davis Jr. Oh, fuck yeah. When we last left the story of Anton LeVey and the Church of Satan, we were right in the middle of telling the tale of how one of their most unlikely adherents, entertainer, Sammy Davis, Jr., became friends with Anton and the rest of the Church of Satan crew.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Now, when Sammy Davis Jr.'s TV movie, Poor Devil, aired on NBC with obvious references to real Satanism, like Sammy's oft-repeated flashing of the devil horns. Yeah, baby, baby, baby. I love him. Yeah, the program caught the attention of the upper echelons of the Church of Satan. Diane Higarty, co-founder of the Church of Satan. Some might say the entire brains behind the entirety of the Church of Satan. she said that she was flabbergasted
Starting point is 00:03:38 when she, Henry, I like how you you grabbed your book and then decided to put it back down. It's in this. It's in this book. Obviously, this entire book shows that Anton LeVey he didn't do anything. But is this the other guy? Is this Akeeno's shit? Long story. We'll get to it.
Starting point is 00:03:55 The Kno wants to make him look back. We know, we know. Well, Diane Higarty said that she was flabbergasted when she saw a lovable, funny, harmless demon being depicted on TV by no less than Sammy Davis Jr., who, in 1974, was one of our more harmless celebrities. She was also excited because if people began seeing Satanus as something closer to Sammy Davis Jr.
Starting point is 00:04:16 And further away from, say, Charles Manson, then the church could really get cooking on membership. Michael Aquino, who was still Anton LeVay's right-hand man in 1973, he surprisingly agreed. In his letter to Diane Higarty, in which he called poor devil a magnificent commercial for the church, He added that the show's message was not far afield from what Satanus believed. And in this, I actually agree with Michael Aquino. I noticed it as I was watching Poor Devil. In Poor Devil, the accountant played by Jack Klugman wants revenge on his boss, played by Batman's Adam West, in his usual style of acting in which he sounds like he's constantly on the verge of a painful orgasm he doesn't actually want.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Want you? Go get me some milk. it's going to be a long time before you get another day off but Adam West's character is constantly taking advantage of Klugman's character and generally makes Klugman's character's life miserable which made Adam West character a perfect target for revenge Klugman's character however balks at revenge and takes it all back when he sees that his plan is going to hurt a lot more people
Starting point is 00:05:28 besides just his boss. His whole plan is he's going to empty out the department store where they both work on December 24th, and Adam West is going to look like a dickhead. But then he realizes that it's going to ruin Christmas for a lot of people. And a lot of the people who work at the store are also going to get hurt. So he says, bring it all back in. Wow, even Satanists want to save Christmas. Well, if you listen to a lot of Satanists, truly Satanism,
Starting point is 00:05:54 howdy, but Christmas is one of a goth's, like, favorite side-hide-house. holidays that isn't Halloween. Yeah. Because Christmas is also just as filled with dark magic and all these kind of crazy dumb shit as anything else. Santa's a fucking home breaker in. He's a fucking thief in the night. He breaks in your house magically.
Starting point is 00:06:14 He punishes you if you're wrong. Yeah. And also just at a very base level, Satanism is very materialistic. And what's more materialistic than American Christmas? Nothing. Nothing in the world. But even though it seems like Klugman's backtrack is going to leave him right back where he started, the mere act of focusing his energies on revenge, that results
Starting point is 00:06:35 in his boss losing his mind and his job to Klugman himself. So with the help of Sammy Davis Jr's cartoonish Satanism, Klugman still gets his revenge, he still gets his greatest wish, but he does so without hurting anyone except the one who deserves it. So Aquino is correct. It was actually quite satanic. It was, and the guys, Dave Willis and Casper, Kelly that made your pretty faces going to hell. I didn't understand that they had held a screening of poor devil with Dana from your pretty faces going to hell. Yeah, Master Shake.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Master Shake. They kind of went and they did a viewing of it and they had a great time. Yeah. Now, Anton LeVay didn't even see Poor Devil. But after talking to Hagarite and Aquino, he also saw the potential here. And the three of them began hatching plans and plots. See, Poor Devil was a TV movie running about 70 minutes, but it had the potential to go a series. So Anton
Starting point is 00:07:31 initially aimed to get screen time in future episodes and perhaps even swing a location shoot at the Church of Satan's Black House. Again, it sounds like it's for the church, but really, it's more about getting Anton into Hollywood. That's all it is, or at least getting Hollywood
Starting point is 00:07:47 close to Anton. And that sweet location fee. No, I mean, hey, Harry. Location fee. Michael Aquino, meanwhile, was focused on church business, as always. He suggested that Anton give Sammy Davis Jr. an honorary magical position, and it said
Starting point is 00:08:02 that Hagarti openly wondered what Sammy Davis Jr. would think about being offered the opportunity to be the world's first black Jewish Satanic warlock. Yeah! That's a fucking goal, dude. Man, that's a fucking resume. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:08:18 And Ticester. And Tigger. And Cigrant. The Candy Man. I mean, yeah. I mean, he's isn't he the one who wrote Candyman for Willy Wonka? Oh, well, no. He got, Well, Candyman was originally in the musical. It's kind of funny. He famously hated that song.
Starting point is 00:08:34 He said it was his biggest hit, though. He started singing it, and then he has to go do it everywhere. But he did not write the Candyman. He covered the Candyman. He covered the Candyman. Okay, all right. Well, as it turned out, nothing in this world could have made Sammy Davis Jr. happier than being the first black Jewish satanic warlock.
Starting point is 00:08:51 He may be getting his eye back. It seemed like you really bummed him out for a while. Well, the Church of Satan sent a lot. letter offering the honorary warlock position, and just a month later, Davis sent a letter back saying he was all in. Now, after accepting their membership, Davis sweetly said that he was pleased that no one at the Church of Satan was offended by poor devil. We've only understood Satan can't get offended. No.
Starting point is 00:09:18 That's kind of the whole thing. What are you talking about? Satan is get offended all the time. I mean, not by stuff like not by attention. Davis then gave the Church of Satan his upcoming performance dates in the Bay Area so they could present him with his honorary warlock degree in person. Oh my God, so many angry Italians. And LeVay was quite pleased to find that one of Sammy's local concerts just happened to fall on Friday the 13th. Oh, hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Furthermore, the theater where Sammy was performing was called the Circle Star Theater. A circle and a star is, of course, a pentagram. So the coincidences urging them all to move forward just kept common. And so, on the night of the performance, just before Sammy Davis Jr. went out in front of an audience of almost 4,000, he received his Warlock ordainment certificate and his official Baphomet Medallion, although Anton LeVay did not present it himself. In a letter to Michael Aquino, LeVay wrote that they should all just play it cool,
Starting point is 00:10:21 elaborating further that the less they push, the better, Sammy's opinion of the church would be. Antel LeVe. So Michael Aquino writes this letter to Anton LeVe, how proud he is. And the first time he got to meet Sammy Davis Jr., he was like, not only what Sammy absolutely impressed with my theological breakdowns of all the differences
Starting point is 00:10:38 between what we believe and do not believe. But also, so was his PR people and his manager. So I gave them both, the Satanic Bible, and I gave him up, and Anton LeVe said truly one of the great, a great piece of show business advice. Never
Starting point is 00:10:54 talk to the PR guy if you could talk to the celebrity. He's like, stop talking to the PR gay right now. Don't give him anything. The PR guy's not your friend. Fuck the PR guy. Sammy's your friend. You talk to Sammy. If you want Sammy and you want to talk to
Starting point is 00:11:10 Sammy, you call fucking Sammy because guess what? You give the PR guy the Satanic Bible guess we're never going to see again. Sammy. So you just got to fucking just talk to Sammy. It's pretty good advice. That's great advice. He is constantly fighting this idea of open and underground Satanism, which we'll get into.
Starting point is 00:11:31 And so, after the backstage ceremony, Sam and Davis Jr. went out with Baphomet displayed prominently on his chest, and he performed one hell of a show, then closed his performance with an anthem that might as well be the Church of Satan's theme song. Henry, if you would. Whether I'm right. Whether I'm wrong. Whether I find a place in this world or never belong I gotta be me Gotta be me I gotta be me
Starting point is 00:12:22 I gotta be me is such a good obnoxious karaoke song It is such a good like just like that's life Cat's hive I forgot about that fucking song and I jammed that whole album when we're listening to this. Sammy is like, I think he's my favorite rapbacker now. Easily. He's been number two.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Obviously, I like Frank. I like his, I love Frank's voice and stuff, but he's my number two. See, Dean was my guy, and he took over for that, so Frank's down to number three for me. Damn. Yeah. And unfortunately, you know, his last name is Bishop. So he's out. Bishop sucks. Fuck off, Joey.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Now, Anton, Higarty, and Aquino spent the next few months, weirdly hovering around Sammy Davis Jr.'s house without actually knocking on the door or letting Sammy know that they were even in the neighborhood. Because, as I said before, certain elements of Hollywood tended to intimidate Anton LeVay.
Starting point is 00:13:18 He could give great advice to Michael Aquino, but when it came down to do it himself, he could get a little p-shy. He was not... He couldn't know he was there with this giant gold helmet. He was sitting outside in the bushes. Everybody sit back. Everybody. Hey, play cool. Play cool. Don't worry. No, no.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Play cool. No, it just is... He's facing a with his dead eye. He's cool. No, he can't see this. No, he has no idea that we're driving the hearse. No idea. I mean, you got to remember
Starting point is 00:13:45 that at heart, Anton LeVay was still just a carny trying to level up in the world of entertainment. And while it's all show business, there's a wide gulf between carnival folk, like the former Tony Levy and Hollywood stars
Starting point is 00:13:59 like Sammy Davis Jr. Oh, there is miles apart. I'd actually kind of even say that Sammy Davis Jr. is a more powerful magician than Anton LeVay. Sure. Yeah, because he's successful. He's successful. I'm not even joking.
Starting point is 00:14:11 But perhaps keeping their distance was the right move because a few months after the concert at the Circle Star Theater, Sammy Davis Jr. invited Anton and Diane, but not Michael Aquino. I thought he made such a good impression. I thought everybody was going to get me. Look at my eyebrow.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Or is I diabolical? He invited Anton and Diane to a small gathering at his home. Reportedly, when Davis opened up. the door, he hugged Anton and Diane as if they were all old friends. But besides Anton and Diane, Davis had also invited a pair of young witches. Presumably, Davis was hoping to explore the sexually experimental side of satanic indulgence with the heads of the church themselves. Because after all, who's going to be freakier than the head freaks?
Starting point is 00:14:55 That's what you think. That's what you think. But what Davis didn't know is that despite the fact that LeVay continually encouraged others to indulge in their most carnal yet consensual urges, LeVay and Higarty were not swingers. Orgies weren't their thing. They liked piss. Oh, they liked piss. Yeah. Great deal. Is this the time? To talk about piss? Yeah. Sure. So one of the fun things that is revealed in these books by Michael Aquino is the fact that they heavily sanitized the rituals in the Satanic Bible, which is kind of funny that they did. They hid the real stuff. So in the original satanic mass, not only did they put a little thing, the way, the way for the Christian wafer inside the hoo-ha
Starting point is 00:15:37 of the naked lady altar, right? Once they put it in the chucha, then her job was to masturbate to completion on top of it with it her inside of her, right? Then he pops it out of the slot after she's come. He puts it in a cup of pee-p-tut-dissed
Starting point is 00:15:54 until it dissolves. Everybody drinks the pee-pee because a woman dresses a nun is pissed into a bowl before then and everyone drinks that pee-pee. And then at the end of that, after everybody's had all the piss, and that lady cum-filled wafer,
Starting point is 00:16:07 Anton LeVeis stands in front of everybody, jerks off to completion, and then that's the end. And that happened multiple times. Did he jerk off to completion in the thing that everyone drank? No, after the fact, he would come into a cup,
Starting point is 00:16:20 and then they would put it on the altar and it was like, that's like... But no one drank has come. No. I don't think so. Just the lady come in the piss and the Catholic cookie. Yeah, they're not monsters.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Yeah, they're not disgusting. That make it gay. Yeah. I do love those kids. Catholic cookies. I just have a big pack of them, just, you know, wrapped up in prosciute. Yeah, I put you, you, pop them, I flip them in the air, like I'm an old timeie gangster, catch
Starting point is 00:16:43 it in my mouth, have a good time. Like, this one's for you, old man. Put one in a pussy, see how it goes. I'll talk. I'll talk. That's Julie. I'll have a little talk about it. The point is, all that's ritual stuff. Yes. And it's all very controlled. It's not
Starting point is 00:16:57 a part of their daily lives. No, and right after, they literally had coffee and cake. Yeah. So, on the nights that Davis hung out with LeVey and Higarty, These ended up being Sammy Davis Jr.'s tame nights. Anton and Diane were his sober friends, who were more likely to bring over a German silent film to watch than a fat sack of drugs to snort.
Starting point is 00:17:17 It's just fucking nerds, man. They're just fucking nerds. It's honestly like when fans finally get the chance to hang out with us, it's like oddly boring. Yeah. Just like zaring ass. Real normal shit. Real normal.
Starting point is 00:17:30 You like the pool? Yeah. Honestly, pool is great. See, besides sex, Sammy Davis Jr. also had a taste for substances. He was a whiskey man with a nose for cocaine. But when Anton and Diane settled in during that very first hang, Davis's silver cocaine bowl got pushed behind the bar with his whiskey. Instead of dabbling in indulgence, LeVey and Davis spent hours discussing the tenets of Satanism. And while LeVay was disappointed to hear the NBC hadn't picked up poor devil, he was damn near euphoric to hear that Davis was. both experienced with Satanism and informed of its finer, more subtle points. See, I always thought that if I'm going to discuss the tenets of Satanism, cocaine would help. You know, you'd think. You'd really think that they'd be wanting to have more fun.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I can't remember what Robert Evans said about cocaine. It ruins the boater, but it turns up the verbosity. Something like that. Live from your grave. Now, over the next several years throughout the mid-70s, Anton LeVay and Diane Higarty became Sammy's regular guests at intimate dinners, big parties, live shows, and visits to Sammy's second home near Lake Tahoe.
Starting point is 00:18:47 You've got to remember, Anton and Diane, fabulous dinner guests. Great dinner guests. At Lake Tahoe, LeVay was flattered to see that Davis had displayed the Baphomet necklace presented by the Church of Satan in a prominent place in his master bedroom, because Sammy Davis Jr. was, according to many girlfriends, an almost too frequent practitioner of sex magic. Forget it. Sometimes you just want to fuck.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Yeah, dude. You're like, why do we got to do the whole prayer? Why are we doing the candles? He was all about the rigamarole. Yeah, I've heard a four play, but not six, six, six play. Hey, ha, ha, that's cute. Write it down. It's really good.
Starting point is 00:19:22 I'm running the microphone. I'm writing down. I don't got to run it down. It's gone now. But while Sammy Davis Jr. would flirt, with Diane Higarty on occasion, it was not his fairly innocent comments about Diane that would eventually inflame
Starting point is 00:19:36 LeVay's jealousy. Instead, Anton LeVay was more jealous of one of Sammy Davis Jr.'s other friendships. See, from what I can tell, Anton LeVay wanted her to be Sammy's only spooky friend. I don't understand. I thought I was your spooky friend.
Starting point is 00:19:53 She brings somebody else, but it's fine. Oh, that's fine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure they're super spooky, but... I thought I was spooky, like. How often do we have to hang out with Billy Crystal? Yeah. Now, he's spooky. He's spooky.
Starting point is 00:20:06 He's spooky. He could be anybody. Muhammad Ali, anybody black. He can be you? I can't believe him. When Sammy put together a dinner party, he invited both Anton Mavei and Christopher Lee. Sammy's co-star on Poor Devil.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Jealousy was inflamed, and eventually Anton went on the attack. Because Christopher Lee is himself. believes himself to be like an occult master. Sure. Right? So on his own. He's killed people too. He's killed people. He knew J.R. Tolkien. He is Saruman. Like he is that guy. He was
Starting point is 00:20:42 fully into the occult. But what Anton LeVay and Sammy Davis Jr. didn't know is that he was on the other side of the occult. He's like a witch finder general. He's like one of those guys that believe he's like, The Power of Christ does beat the power of evil. And the reason why
Starting point is 00:20:58 I do my films is to show the folly of evil. Like it's his whole thing. And he doesn't understand that he was walking into one of those. Yeah. And also, like, if you just put Christopher Lee, if you stack up Christopher Lee next to
Starting point is 00:21:12 Anton LeVay as a man, Anton LeVey's a piss ass. Oh, he could literally beat him to death. No, he's giant, right? Well, no, I mean, I'm talking about just, I'm talking about more character-wise. Oh, yeah. Christopher Lee's a fucking incredible artist. Yeah, Anton LeVe was actually pretty big. He was over
Starting point is 00:21:28 six foot tall. Oh, shit. I mean he actually really think about Christopher Lee was 6'5. Yeah, he was 6'5. Yeah, exactly. But he also had time in the war. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Davis thought that Levei and Christopher Lee would get along great.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Sure. I mean, come on. You're the Church of Satan. Dear Dracula. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. But it was soon obvious that LeVay was both insecure with how closely and Davis were, and he was also said to have been annoyed by Christopher Lee's quote, Priggish manner. Yeah, you don't like my
Starting point is 00:21:56 prigish manner. Well, I don't like your facial hair that looks like the trim. bush of a old woman. I hate your goatee so much I want to put a bayonet in it. It's such a bad choice by Anton LeVay. If he would have
Starting point is 00:22:14 buttered him up, if he would have kissed his ass a little bit, imagine what getting Dracula would do for the church's sake? Well, don't you think that Anton LeVay, he just was he really was too bitter for his own good. He really was. He couldn't see the forest for the trees. Because it's like with Christopher
Starting point is 00:22:30 you get in with Christopher Lee Oh, that's real Hollywood. The world of B movies opens up for it. He's the, at this point, he is the king of the B movie. He would have been a movie star, Anton LeVay. Might have been.
Starting point is 00:22:42 But eventually, everything came to a head when LeVay started an argument over who was the best Dracula. Lee himself, who would play Dracula 10 times or the original, Bella Legosi. LeVay, of course, was... Why would you do this?
Starting point is 00:22:58 Who is doing this? Who thought this was a good fucking idea. It's such an antagonistic dick, if they're so, you know, Dracula. Yeah, he's pretty good, you know, he's a bell of ghost. No, Bellagossey, but, you know, if you want to, you, you think you're near, drag. You're fucking, here's a shit, I will smite the witch. I like, Bellegosi number one,
Starting point is 00:23:18 Blacula number two. And then I think you're probably three, I think. I thought about, let me ask, you thought about being black. Well, LeVey, of course, was adamant that Christopher Lee, was dog shit is Dracula compared to Bella. And after LeVay baited Lee a little too much, Sammy Davis Jr. had to step in just before Lee and LeVey got into an actual fist fight.
Starting point is 00:23:40 But considering how Sammy Davis Jr. was 5 foot 4 and Christopher Lee was 6 foot 5, I think the so-called fight was more for show than anything. I think they just kind of, you know, bowed out of what you say to me? What you say to me? What you say to me? I curse you. I curse you. Listen, you guys got to come down, see?
Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you crazy catch, why are we doing this? Come on. You girls, your girls are getting cold. Even though the spooky boys' dinner party went badly, LeVay and Davis's friendship continued to grow for reasons beyond just a good hang. See, LeVay accepted Davis for everything that he was, including the fact that Sammy Davis Jr. was also bisexual,
Starting point is 00:24:26 or at the very least, highly fluid when it came to sexual. relations. And so LeVay and Davis were friends throughout the 1970s. LeVay would send books on the occult to Davis with the sign-off, infernally yours, while the two developed a shared nickname for Satan. They called him by the archaic term Old Slewfoot, which Davis loved because he was an accomplished tap and soft shoe performer. Well, that was so funny because they keep, they always call him in their letters. They always call him the man downstairs. He was like, check with the man downstairs. Like, it's this whole thing that he does where it's like, yeah, I checked him with the man downstairs. It's not going to fly. It's really funny, the way they just thought like, God, he's so cool. It is, ma'am.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Now, throughout his friendship with Sammy Davis Jr., it seems like LeVay was finally getting everything he wanted. Davis brought Anton into his inner circle of show business connections. And at Davis's parties, Anton LeVay finally felt like he belonged. He was holding his own with Hollywood stars and music industry professionals alike. You know, Christopher Lee, of course, aside. But there was one man that Anton LeVay forgot all about, a man that still had a lot of pull with Sammy Davis Jr., even though he had always treated him as little more than a prop.
Starting point is 00:25:42 That man was none other than the leader of the rat pack himself. Oh, Blue Eyes! Frank Sinatra. Yeah. God, you know, he was obviously an asshole. He was such a prick. He was involved with the mob and all that shit. But like fake, too, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:25:58 He really was. He was. He put himself in the mob. Yeah, but I will say, I mean, like, that's where the money is. Oh, yeah. That's what Sammy's got everything. Yo. That's who it all is.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Like, the Frank Sinatra, like, accents also so good. Being like, there was a story Don Rickles was saying about how one night him and Frank were out drinking to like three o'clock in the morning. And he said there was a lightning storm outside the bar. And then the lightning would flash. and the lightling would flash and Frank Sinatra eventually was like, someone go tell those photographers just knock that shit off. Was the 70s turned into the 80s,
Starting point is 00:26:36 Sammy Davis Jr.'s social life was getting a little too groovy for the famously square Frank Sinatra. Now, granted, Davis was definitely partying way too hard. But from what it seems like, it was Davis's close association with Satanists like Anton the Vey, that really got Sinatra's go. So sometime in the late 70s, Sinatra told Davis to get his shit together
Starting point is 00:26:58 and cool it with the drugs and the booze. But above all, stop hanging out with all these godforsaken Satanus. Italians do not like Satanism. No, they're not a fan. No. It's very interesting because you figured they would love it. Yeah, you think so.
Starting point is 00:27:12 They're certainly a fan of nun porn, which is pretty close to Satanism, if you ask me. They just are, they're big priest fans over there. Yeah. Big old big priest fans. They really believe in the church. They do. But Sinatra's comment about Satanus was highly ironic when you consider that the time Davis spent with Satanus were always his most sober and sexless nights.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Yeah, that was when he was learning. Yeah. Sinatra should have said, yeah, it was Satanus. Good influence. Keep hanging out with them. Yeah. Stop hanging out with the old whores. Send them to me.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Send him old Frankie boy. But Sinatra was the connection all the month. All the producers, the fucking mob. No one likes this shit. Yeah. Now, we don't know for sure if Sinatra's tutting is really what caused Davis to pull back on his friendship with Anton LeVay. But after the conversation, little by little, the frequent hangouts turned into occasional phone calls. And Anton and Sammy drifted apart by the end of the decade.
Starting point is 00:28:12 It also could have been Sammy Davis Jr. or someone close to him, they saw what was coming on the horizon in the 1980s. See, an excerpt from one of Davis's many memoirs, 1980s, Hollywood, and a suitcase, it ran in the New York Daily News as a preview under the subtitle, A Touch of Satanism and Lessons in Love. Those fucking bastards. In this excerpt, Davis wrote that he joined the Church of Satan and still had many friends within the organization. Flat out writing, I became a Satanist. But when the book was actually released, all mentions of the Church of Satan had been wiped away
Starting point is 00:28:48 because the satanic panic had finally arrived. This is where the temperature changes for this whole fucking thing. 1980. As you start to see, so they had an issue in the grottoes, right? So the grottoes were obviously always the main problem. Because the grottoes were, it was a constant fight since the beginning of the church. And the grottoes, just to remind you, were the kind of satellites of the church of Satan, which people would kind of grow their own satanic organization.
Starting point is 00:29:18 within their community. Yeah, it was like the... They had to report back to the Church of Satan in San Francisco. They did. There was the Lilith one, the Yugath.
Starting point is 00:29:25 There was Babylon. There was Stig and all these like kind of different names. And each one of them kind of had a problem. They had a constant issue with how do we manage these?
Starting point is 00:29:35 How tightly are we supposed to be running these? How much are we supposed to be micromanaging these grotto? Michael Aquino was like total freedom. Every one of them needs to do whatever they want.
Starting point is 00:29:43 Cause constant fucking problems. And one of the main problems is being out or being in as a Satanist, which means either being a public Satanist or being a Anton de Vailac to call his underground clergy. His underground clergy was his favorite,
Starting point is 00:29:59 which is people that had regular jobs that did not want the world in general to know that they were Satanists, but they showed up to the rituals. The main problems of the grottoes were having was, yeah, people were signing up, but no one was coming to the ritual. No one was doing stuff
Starting point is 00:30:14 because some of the grottoes were out. Some of the grottoes meant like, oh, we have public rosters. You could know that who is here. And there were people that were constantly fighting back and forth how to figure this out. And the satanic panic was one of those things that accelerated all of it. Because one grotto was like, we're mainly undercover people. What are we supposed to do? And it was this entire scandal, a local, same thing that kind of always happens. A teacher molested a bunch of kids. They like did a whole thing about satanic cults and all this kind of shit. A lot of heat was growing around this one grotto and they were like
Starting point is 00:30:49 what the fuck are we supposed to do? How do we save ourselves from all this heat? And Anton LeVay wrote a scathing letter being like, you're supposed to stand up for the Church of Satan and go right about how we don't do this. You're supposed to stand up, identify yourselves and do this and it created this massive
Starting point is 00:31:05 fucking problem. It was like one of the first things where they were like, no, you're like now micromanaging us after telling us we could do whatever the hell we want and it caused a big fucking issue and destroyed that grotto. Yeah. Now, Even though Sammy Davis Jr. was no longer public with his Satanism, he never stopped practicing. And he was known to cautiously gauge interest in Satanism with other celebrities if he got a feeling that the other celebrity might be hip.
Starting point is 00:31:29 I fucking, I love this one. This is good. When a tribute show was being put together for Sammy Davis Jr. in 1989, after he was diagnosed with terminal throat cancer, Eddie Murphy was chosen as the MC. And reportedly, during a dinner between Eddie Murphy and Sammy Davis Jr., Sammy lightly said, You know, Satan's as powerful as God. That's fucking cool. That's so fucking cool. Just dropping it in there?
Starting point is 00:31:54 David Davis Jr. is the only real Satan. He's like, he's so close to being the top of Satanism. He was so close. Just dropping it into a conversation with fucking Eddie Murphy in 1989 when Eddie Murphy is like the most famous man on her. Oh, yeah. He's like 22 years old. Hot. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Red hot star. Well, the famously close-minded Eddie Murphy just responded with, with what the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. I'm just talking. You know, Sammy, Sammy just talks. So Davis dropped the subject as soon as it was brought up. But according to friends and girlfriends,
Starting point is 00:32:30 Davis practiced Satanism and ritual magic well into his dying days. One girlfriend said that she had to stop seeing Sammy because of his interest in sex magic in particular, but not because he did anything bad. Lovemaking, she said, became a ritual tied into the worship of the occult in ways that she didn't want to understand. But it must be said that Sammy's practice did get quite dark at times. With everyone's consent, Davis was fond of drawing blood with sharp objects like broken bottles,
Starting point is 00:33:00 often from genital areas, but always like, so I just can imagine Sammy Davis, like, you mind if we bring the bottle into it and just like, and then what, just Billy Chrysall, like watching from the cuck chair? Just being like, I have this amazing idea about a play about Mickey Mantle. Like, is that all he's doing? But to his credit, it must be mentioned that his aforementioned wife, Alta Viz, stayed with Sammy from 1970 until his death 19 years later. In fact, the information about sex magic comes from letters written to Alta Vise in which a shared associate was seemingly just keeping Sammy's wife up to date on what her husband was doing. But when Sammy Davis Jr.'s big sendoff at the end of his life was televised in 1989, Anton LeVay was not invited.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Instead, he watched it at home on TV with everyone else, probably cursing Frank Sinatra for having a hand in dashing LeVay's obvious dreams of establishing himself in the world of entertainment. A chance like that would never come again. Yeah, CBS doesn't want his fucking ass there. No, they really don't, man. Because, you know, I do think a lot of it has to do with how kind of unsure and bashful he was. I think that Antaun LeVey or Anton LeVey I think Anton LeVay would...
Starting point is 00:34:19 By 89 he hadn't talked to Sammy Davis Jr. in a decade. And he'd already becoming a rotten pumpkin of himself. Yeah. Also, as a show, Anton LeVevei would ruin the vibe. He really would. He would ruin the whole vibe
Starting point is 00:34:32 of the whole tribute show. Nobody knows... You can't have them there. And that's the... And to be honest, that's Anton LeVey's eternal sadness. And we see that in the letters,
Starting point is 00:34:42 his eternal sadness of the fact that coining himself as the Pope of Evil pushed everyone away and he could never get it made him
Starting point is 00:34:54 and destroyed him and he could never get into a community of people he liked again see he put all his cards into Sammy Davis Jr. He should have been going to Jimmy Page
Starting point is 00:35:04 well he was doing a he was sending out feelers he was and there but the problem is that Jimmy Page was into fucking Lord of the Rings yeah
Starting point is 00:35:13 And I think that Anton LeVey famously hated rock music. I think he really disliked it. He was a fucking Calliope player. And he also remember, he's an old man. He was. He was not a young. He was born in the 20s. You know, he's not into Led Zeppelin.
Starting point is 00:35:30 He doesn't care about all that shit. He thinks it's all noise. He wants Calliope. He wants organ. He wants, you know, ring a ding ding ding. He wants big bands. Because his belief is that Satanism had left the earth. Like he's kind of had this belief a little.
Starting point is 00:35:43 bit of there are, like, you can't just become a Satanist. You just are one or are not. So he is one of those where he couldn't, he was thought more people would show up. He thought more people would cool people would show up. And he didn't like who showed up. Yeah. Also, it's interesting because Frank Sinatra, he kind of lost his juju when he stuck even when he went against rock and roll. Yeah. Oh yeah. He would have fucking went into rock and roll a little bit. I mean, he des he did his Mrs. Robinson cover. But this is a part of what I'm saying, my overarching idea of the reason why old wizards die hard is because they
Starting point is 00:36:18 refuse to die first while they're alive. Gandalf the Grey had to die to become Gandalf the White in order to save everyone. And that requires self-sacrifice and it requires getting rid of the old you and growing into a third phase, which he never did.
Starting point is 00:36:34 You know who did? Liam Neeson. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. You got to see Pamela Anderson's vagina once. Yeah, that's huge. And Sinatra also came back in 1980 with New York, New York. Yes, that's the thing. No one realizes that he didn't do that until 1980.
Starting point is 00:36:51 What? Yeah. New York, New York is from 1980? It's from a musical. Yeah, it's from, I can't remember what the musical was called, but yeah, it was from, I think a musical New York to York. Get out of my face, you idiot. And so now that we've told the tale of Sammy Davis Jr. and the Church of Satan, let's turn back the narrative clock to the early 1970s. where we return our focus to the inner workings of the Church of Satan itself.
Starting point is 00:37:18 See, in the early to mid-70s, that's when Anton LeVay started turning his eye more towards Hollywood. And LeVay's right-hand man and head nerd, Michael Aquino, have been just as excited as Anton and Diane about the possibilities of poor devil. But within just two years of those heady days, the schism between Aquino, the academic, and LeVay, the showman, would grow too wide to fix when Aquino disagreed with one of LeVe's new church policies. See, Aquino, and this is very important, Akino actually believed that Satan was real. Satan is a dude that you can talk to and ask to do things for you. Anton LeVay was an atheist.
Starting point is 00:37:58 This, of course, is a problem when two guys with these mindsets are trying to run a church together. Well, also, there is a difference between the inner group and then the outer group. So in Anton LeVay's inner group, he's way more. willing to expand his consciousness. In the inner group, he's way more willing to be, okay, we will do these ritual activities.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Because according to Michael Aquino, this is what he means, this is what it means by Satan is real. Is that what he's saying is that for Anton LeVay, when they were doing the satanic mass, he, Anton LeVay is saying this is a dramatic representation. It can lead you to things or not. But largely, this is just kind of a group building
Starting point is 00:38:41 activity. We're doing this. But according to Michael Aquino, when they were all together, he knows that there was something else in the room. That every single time they did one of these things, that's where it started, that there was something else in the room and that they all acknowledged it. But then all of them would become too cool to acknowledge it later on because they did not want to face what they were doing. But what they were, what was happening was that accidentally Michael Aquino is just making Christianity again. He's just making it again. And so that's the problem. He's just replacing it with.
Starting point is 00:39:13 another thing. Yeah, he's actually making Protestantism. We'll get into here to say. Yeah, LeVe's like the show promoter and Aquino's like the historian. Yes. Sure. Now, for Michael Aquino, the final insult came when he saw a draft for an article that LeVe was planning to publish in the church's internal publication, the cloven hoof. See, Aquino is already miffed at LeVe for dismantling the grotto system. Which did not go smoothly and it did not go like, oh, it's over. No, no, no, no, no. It was just, it was just total cockamamie horseshit. Aquino kind of fucked that one up. They all fucked that up. And LeVey's focus on materialism had always rankled Aquino's spiritual standards. But regardless of the purity that Aquino was wanting and expecting in the fucking church of Satan,
Starting point is 00:39:56 a man's got to eat and money was tight within the organization by 1975. So LeVay decided that he was going to simply sell initiatory ranks within the church, which ironically could be compared to the Catholic Church selling indulgences in the 16th century. Michael Aquino, playing the Martin Luther role in this situation, believed that simply selling ranks was dishonorable and corrupt, because what was the point of doing the reading if someone could just buy their way into a magic circle? But even though Michael Aquino offered alternatives,
Starting point is 00:40:28 LeVay refused to back down on the plan. So Michael Aquino left the Church of Satan, along with a fair number of other Satanists who were also becoming disillusion with LeVey to start their own movement, called the Temple of Set. being more focused on magical ritual and practice, Settianism has been described as more esoteric Satanism, as opposed to Lavei's rational flavor.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Anton Lavei served in the great legacy of other magical teachers simplifying the lessons, right? According to Anton Lavei, in the satanic rituals, what he has already done is serve like kind of like put together, summarize all of the various esoteric schools in a one book according to their belief system. And so that's, he thought we're done. We've done this. Now this is the set of rituals we go. Michael Aquino is trying to say, we're not going far enough. Yes. Because Antalnave is saying, no, the whole point of this is to unleash your personal power, lesser magic. Yes, there is greater magic, which is going to be changing the world and becoming one with the godhead and doing all the
Starting point is 00:41:33 stuff. But he even said, that's for fucking later. That's for your private time. That's for your own belief system, blah, blah, blah. This whole thing is to release the lesser magic. The things that you can actually control and manipulate in a one-to-one carney level. And Michael Aquino just refused to believe that because he had this idea that, no, there is this like burning thing inside us all that will purify us. Yeah. So Aquino is like actually crazy.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Well, if you read this, thank you for the man from the street. The Temple of Setbook is... say Michael Aquino is no crazier than a priest. No. No, none. Yeah, well, they're crazy. Exactly. The Temple of Set books. The reason why I don't bring those in is because those are the most boring things you've ever read.
Starting point is 00:42:21 Even more boring than this. Because the thing about this book, The Church of Satan by Michael Aquino, Volume 1, is that it's every single subreddit meltdown you've ever written, but they had to write letters instead of instant messages. So they literally had to spend weeks back and forth doing a mod
Starting point is 00:42:38 breakdown in a Reddit group. Oh, no, the grotto system falling apart. It's just mod drama. Oh, my God. All it is. Oh, my God. Is it mod drama? And honestly, in every single thing is the squeakiest wheel gets the fucking grease.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Every single thing is the least important grotto and the least important people are the ones causing the most important problems. Always. Always, always, always. That is always the rule. Yes. Now, within a year of his breakup with LeVe, Akino wrote a new manifesto, claiming that it was born entirely through automatic writing, just like Alistair L'Elley's Book of the Law. But Aquino was a nerd who didn't have a sense of humor. So he was not prepared for all the ejaculate jokes that would no doubt be made.
Starting point is 00:43:16 When he named the foundational text for his new satanic religion, he named it the book of coming forth by night. Hey, man. I just don't hate being behind those first three dudes. It's like, listen, your book is just like, it's your book's titles? Like, what? What is it? It's just coming forth by night. The book of coming forth by night.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Yeah. Yeah, no, that's fine. I don't get it. Where do you want it to do it? It happened at night. That's not the problem, Mike. I came. I came at night.
Starting point is 00:43:48 I came forth at night. And this is the book of coming forth. Well, you know what it is. You know what it is? What? It's a take on the book of coming forth by day, which is in the Egyptian book of the dead. Sure. He stole the name of the book.
Starting point is 00:44:02 No, of course he stole it, but it's just, you got to look at it and think like, okay, no, I can't do that. Read the book. People are just going to make a bunch of com jokes. Of course. Also, like, set-eism is way dumber than Satanism. Super dumb. It doesn't roll off the tongue. There's no zip to it.
Starting point is 00:44:20 The temple of set sounds cool. That's it. That's where it ends. Yeah, Settian is dumb. And also the idea of, because that was the idea is that devil, the devil appeared to him. They should call themselves setish. Settish is.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Oh, the setish. The setish. The setish. But according to my name. But according to Michael Aquino, the devil appeared to him and said, I want to stop calling me by my Jewish name. Yeah. And because that's the whole thing is we, yes, we kind of like glossed over a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 00:44:48 But in the Jewish idea of like Satan, the word Satan is the adversary and all this kind of shit. But it kind of served as like a lighter villain, which was kind of talked about. But that, the devil apparently went to Michael Aquino and says, why you got to make me still Jewish? And then they went and they changed him and he made him into set because he's deeply into Egyptology. He says that he wants to be called by his proper original name. What we know as the biblical Satan is actually the ancient Egyptian deity set. God of storms and desert, usurper, and murderer of his brother Osir.
Starting point is 00:45:22 And his belief is that the Setian Egyptian princes and kings were the most powerful. And that once they started going away from that, it included the Osirah Smith, which is where the Jesus myth would come from. That is when the Egyptian world started falling apart was when they decided that the Osiris myth was the main religion. When before, when they were worshipping set, they even controlled almost all of Africa. Well, good for them. I do know that the Egyptians take Jews. I know that much. That's how much I do know.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Live from your blade. Now, the temple of set was, against all odds, a relative success. And Aquino continued running the temple for years while maintaining rank in the United States Active Guard Reserve. Mostly, though, Aquino settled into the role of an academic, earning a PhD in political science before taking an adjunct professor job
Starting point is 00:46:19 at Golden Gate University. Akeeno also continued his fight with Anton LeVay, which some described as an obsession. It's 700 pages long. Besides publishing, a scathing history of the Church of Satan, that debunked many of LeVe's claims about his own biography. Aquino also found and released divorce proceedings,
Starting point is 00:46:41 restraining orders, and even bankruptcy filings that all painted LeVay in a negative light. Man, don't get in a fight with a fucking nerd who's good at paperwork. No, dude, that's the problem. And the guy did all the paperwork because the guy that fucking comes against you, just like, oh, God, I've got fucking time for these fucking shit. Yeah, shut the fuck up, Michael.
Starting point is 00:47:01 And you can't fight him because he was the guy He does all the paperwork for you. He just knows everything. You don't know anything. While continuing the fight with LeVe, Aquino also became obsessed with Nazi occultism. See, in 1983, he went on a work trip on behalf of the United Nations to Europe. But he decided to play hooky a bit so he could drop by Vvelsburg Castle in Germany. If you'll remember, Velsberg was supposed to be Heinrich Himmler's headquarters for his Nazi occult,
Starting point is 00:47:28 Ananerba Area Knights of the Round Table. Yay! So after sneaking in, Akina actually performed a magical ritual within the underground ceremonial space that Himmler was planning to use to hold his own rituals. You know he didn't even sneak in. You know that he used his government contacts to get access to it. Well, yeah. Yeah, that's what he did. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:52 He went in and he was like, he got in and then I'm here from the UN. I'm here to do stuff. Whatever you want. Man, you know the UN fucking hated that shit. Yeah. Well, according to the Temple of Set Wikipedia page, out of this ritual came the second order of the trapezoid, which was a simple
Starting point is 00:48:11 repackaging of Anton LeVay's early governing body of the Church of Satan. But since Aquino was just as big of a nerd as Himmler, he took a page from Himmler's book and decreed that his order of the trapezoid was going to be a chivalric order of knights. The trapezoid is the door
Starting point is 00:48:27 to the angles. The angles are the way to the center. The center is the heart of evil. Sure. This, of course, brought accusations that Aquino was sympathetic to Nazi ideology. He was. And like all these assholes, Aquino said that, you know, the Holocaust, it's repugnant. It really is distasteful.
Starting point is 00:48:49 I don't like it either. It really, it rubs me. That's my thing. It rubs me the wrong way. But he also believed that Heinrich Himmler had, through occult means, summoned an extraordinary psychic force. That force, Akeeno said, had been misdirected by the Nazis. Although, according to Akeeno, quote, It need not have been.
Starting point is 00:49:12 Whatever. Just say it normal, Michael. You know, upon rereading all of this, right? So Anton LeVay and Michael Aquino had very different views on Nazism. They did. But his view, I think Michael Aquino's view, Anton LeVey's view is opportunistically naive. and probably misaligned with the rest of the world.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Super. We'll get into that later. Michael Aquino is one of those guys of, the reason why I don't like neo-Nazis is because the OG Nazis would have killed them all. Because they're weak. Not tough enough? They don't do it right. The idea is that they didn't do it right.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Himmler would have killed these neo-Nazis. This whole belief in this idea that anything, and it's like, again, another thing he doesn't particularly understand is that if your magic is attached to the Holocaust, It doesn't matter what good it could have done. I'm just talking as a wizard, right? I'm talking as a fake wizard on a podcast, telling somebody to understand that even I know
Starting point is 00:50:13 anything that's connected to the Holocaust is not the Holocaust ain't a mistake. You know what I mean? It's not just like, ooh, man. It's not a whoopsie do, right? It is a gigantic genocide machine created by a specific point of view, fueled by occultism.
Starting point is 00:50:30 So let's just not act like it's fucking, that you can't separate the two. I just can't believe the military let him stick around. Well, you also have to remember that he was good at, quote, good at his job. And also, this is a time period.
Starting point is 00:50:43 And we've talked about this. World War II is a lot closer. Right? So we kind of had already beat the Nazis. So there is still a little tiny bit of a view of like, even if they fucking pop up, we're kind of like, uh.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Yeah, I mean, no one's really taking the Nazis seriously. Yeah, they're losers. Yeah, right now. Yeah, not now. Not now. But in 1983, they're back in trash now. Yeah, and also, it's not like he is, you know, broadcasting that he's doing all this stuff. No, he kept it close to the vest.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Yeah. And the Army also, you know, especially intelligence services, intelligence services don't give a fuck what you do outside of your own personal life. Outside of what they ask you to do. As long as you get the job done, they don't give it. shit. They don't care at all. It's kind of the problem with them. Yeah. But as Michael Aquino became a far more visible Satanist,
Starting point is 00:51:36 or Setian, as he'd call it, the target on his back got larger and larger as the satanic panic was cultivated by the same people Aquino was courting. Oh, I thought the target on his back got larger and larger as he got fatter. That too. That too.
Starting point is 00:51:52 I eat his shirt just got tired. Well, Aquino appeared as a guest on not just the Oprah Winfrey show, but also on Geraldo. And few people in the media did more to stoke the flames of the satanic panic than Geraldo Rivera. Even though he had the same facial hair as Anton LeVay. But even though I suppose Aquino was trying the hide-in-plain sight tactic,
Starting point is 00:52:14 the satanic panic finally touched Michael Aquino in 1986, after an investigation was opened looking into accusations of satanic ritual abuse at the Presidio Army Base's daycare in San Francisco, allegedly 58 children were abused at the daycare, and by 1987, Michael Aquino himself was named when the three-year-old daughter of an army chaplain accused Aquino of sexually abusing her during a satanic right held at Aquino's San Francisco home. What? Yes. Yes. No, this shit happened.
Starting point is 00:52:47 The man, the big man with the eyebrows, he did it to me when we were talking about the devil. It happened hundreds upon hundreds of times throughout the entire day. decade into the 90s, people went to prison on shit like this. It's happening right now again. Yeah. But back then, specifically, it's the idea is, you know, kids want to please. That's what, that's all a kid wants to do is a kid wants to make you happy and a kid wants to get a reward.
Starting point is 00:53:14 So they would start asking these kids leading questions and the kid just kept saying yes because they would get rewarded anytime they said yes. And, you know, kids of course say wild, like they just say wacky shit. Like, you know, the things that don't make any sense. But the people asking the questions would take them seriously. And it would just build and build and build and build until finally you had an entire satanic underground that didn't actually exist. It was basically built by three-year-olds. A fucking three-year-old doesn't even know the English language.
Starting point is 00:53:45 Well, the reason why they were weaponizing three-year-olds in order to prop up to either create smokescreens for their own crimes. I'm just going to say that. They were very either covering up for themselves and they were using. the innocent words of a three-year-old in order to do that, or they were specifically of the belief, which we saw with the West Memphis 3, they get this idea, these like
Starting point is 00:54:07 local yokels start to have this idea that I'm fighting Satan himself because I believe that this shit is real. So if you don't believe, no one would believe any of this if they actually didn't believe in Satan himself.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Yeah, but that's the thing is that with that, I mean, that West emphasis three, that is definitely local yokels. This is a fucking army base in the middle of San Francisco. Yeah. Like, these are serious, serious accusations against people within the military itself. And people are taking it extraordinarily seriously. You know what's interesting is I always, and we see this happening now.
Starting point is 00:54:44 And like, they hate something and they go at it so hard to try and take it down. All they end up doing is making it more popular. Always. Yeah. And we'll actually give specific concrete examples of that later on in this episode. Well, police raided Michael Aquino's San Francisco home and searched high and low for any sign of satanic ritual abuse. Of course, they found nothing because nobody ever once found anything ever anywhere. Eventually, it was discovered that Aquino wasn't even in San Francisco when the abuse was supposed to have taken place.
Starting point is 00:55:17 And you can go look that up, y'all, because I've already seen some messages about Michael Aquino. It's all we are still getting it. And that's the thing. Michael Aquino sued everybody who wrote the books about him, naming him. as the suspect. And he won. And he won. And then the thing is, but guess what?
Starting point is 00:55:31 It didn't do anything because I'm still getting emails calling Michael Aquino a child molester. And it's like, he's a lot of things. Yeah, he's. But he's not a child molester. He's mostly just an asshole. An asshole. Yeah. Lack the physical ability.
Starting point is 00:55:45 He honestly could probably barely get it up for his wife. I don't know. I will admit he does have child molester body. Of course he does. That's why it's stuck. Yeah, it's the chubby. It's the chubby. It's the chubby head.
Starting point is 00:55:57 It's the chubby face. It just screams. Child molester. Yeah. It's the little eyebrows. I mean, we all know it's the eyebrows. So incredibly unlikable, too. So incredibly unlikable, yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:08 And that's the thing. He wasn't even living in San Francisco when all this was happening. He was living across the country in Washington, D.C., provably living across the country in Washington, D.C. It was proven in court that he was not anywhere near San Francisco when all this happened. But the allegations followed Aquino for the rest of the way. of his days. After years of battling the false rumors,
Starting point is 00:56:30 he finally shot and killed himself with a gun in 2019 in the face of terminal cancer. That was a wild couple of sentences. Oh, yeah. He had a rough end there. Yeah, that was, yeah, yeah, Michael Aquino ended hard. Yeah, that, that life. They all do.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Yeah, they really all end very hard. It is not like, no one, none of these guys die, like, surrounded by their grandchildren. children or by friends or any no no beautiful ceremony it's it's a hard end every single time it turns out spending your entire life you know cultivating hatred and anger and fear um tends just like by the time you get to the end of it no really not a whole lot of rainbows left yeah not a lot of selling points where they hang out now michael licheno was not alone in the satanic ranks when it came to accusations of sympathy towards nazis neo-nazis in particular Anton levy
Starting point is 00:57:26 did indeed pal around with neo-Nazis throughout the 1970s and beyond, which seems at odds with his legitimate friendship with a Jewish black guy like Sammy Davis Jr. But the radical acceptance that LeVay and the Church of Satan had towards Sammy Davis Jr., that worked both ways. While I certainly don't agree with it, it seems like Anton LeVay would associate with anyone who tickled a certain intellectual curiosity, regardless of how foul their beliefs might be. But as we all know, as soon as you let Nazis inside in any capacity whatsoever, every other Nazi sees your organization or your location as a safe space. But it seems like Anton LeVay was not familiar with the Nazi bar principle.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Could, however, also be that Anton LeVay simply found these people fascinating. Because the neo-Nazis who were supposedly friends with Anton LeVay, they were, in fact, the weirdest and most pathetic of the entire bunch. There's one very illuminating letter in here that made me realize what Anton LeVay was doing, which is, again, I don't think it was correct. But he had a motive. So it was neither, it was not intellectual curiosity. And it wasn't even like he was into the guys. He straight up just straight up, he straight up said, Satanism needs every ally.
Starting point is 00:58:46 We need everyone. We need the Nazis and the Jews. in his mind, Anton LeVay said, the neo-Nazis were never all that serious. They held their Nazism on their sleeve, and that sleeve can be ripped off. And his idea was that I can insinuate myself into these Nazi groups,
Starting point is 00:59:03 and then what we do is you start the, oh, yeah, your enemies are my enemies. I hate those guys, but it's like, there's somebody even worse. The Catholic Church, am I right? And that eventually Anton LeVay would work his way through these, join the Nazis and the Jewish people,
Starting point is 00:59:16 and a hatred towards the Christian church. and as allies to Satanism. And he doesn't understand that they're just not going to hang out. They're just not going to. And they're thinking it's not going to fucking happen. The common ground's not there. It's really fucking stupid.
Starting point is 00:59:31 It's not going to happen. It's a pipe dream. He legitimately just, because that was the things, everybody thinks that everybody else is using everybody else. And he thinks that, oh, they'll help us and they're not even that's serious. And it's just like, no, bro. It's like, that's the problems
Starting point is 00:59:44 that you're making them serious. Yeah. When you hang out with them, you, Give them legitimacy. And guess what that is? Weirdly, a lack of self-esteem on your part, Pope of Satan. That's a lack of self-esteem of you understanding how much you don't need them and how much technically you didn't need anybody.
Starting point is 01:00:02 And you should have stuck to that that I didn't need anybody. Yeah. It was desperate. He was. And he has the Trumpism thing of, I just want a friend. He has a con man. He just wants to be liked. The difference between the Carney.
Starting point is 01:00:15 And I think that any other type of person in this is that he's a genuine entertainer and I think that he had a vacuous hole in him that was looking for love and I think a lot of con men are desperate for love and then what they do is is create a set of circumstances and with that love can be so powerful and so pervasive is that
Starting point is 01:00:33 it's supernatural. That's why Elron Hubbard was looking for it. That's why these people look for it. It's because they're so empty. Yeah. And they want love so bad. They want to be loved and unconditionally loved. So they have to create the occult to do it. And he really is
Starting point is 01:00:49 like portraying the fucking lead character of Nightmare Alley. Yes. Yeah. And he is not understanding the irony in it. Because like that's what I mean by third phase. Yeah. Is that he doesn't understand he's becoming the thing that he never wanted to be. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:03 So why all these guys end up bitter and alone at the end of their lives? Because they just, they refused to change. And they just become the, they just become the bitter old fuck who doesn't do anything with their life. He actually weaponized it into a ritual called emotional crystallization. It was an ECI thing that he could. called it. And what he would do is, he said, and a way for a man to keep his youth was to surround himself with pictures of himself from his youth and to not engage with youth culture. He said that
Starting point is 01:01:29 that it's like, but it's the opposite. What he didn't understand is that he was crystallizing himself. Yeah. Surrounded by, it's why James Woods go, it's why people turn MAGA. It's because as you're an older man, you get to this point. It's why older guys hit this point because you fall out of love with yourself. Yeah. And you want to find new community and you want to find new excitement. and you want to be around a bunch of people to make you feel exciting and young and fulfilled and all this stuff. And you want to be reminded of when you were young. Yeah. And it gets why fascism uses nostalgia as a weapon.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Always. It is the most powerful weapon they have. Well, the man that's usually identified as a neo-Nazi associate of Anton LeVay is James Hartung Madol, who was raised in the upstate New York town of Beacon, born in 1927 to an incredibly anti-Semitic mother who brought Madol up herself. You never hear that. You never do hear it. It's like, boy, my mother, hated Jews. It's never like that.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Well, James was, to put it lightly, a massive fucking nerd. He was a lonely young boy who found refuge in science, going so far as to build a laboratory in his own home. But when he reached his teenage years, he came to see science in Faustian terms. The scientist, he came to believe, was a semi-divine mage who sought mastery of the earth and the whole universe.
Starting point is 01:02:47 Oh, that's the guy. who made Tustinos? Yeah, I bet it. Yeah, a guy made fart pills. Well, partly, Madole's ideas on science came from the science fiction of the 1930s and 1940s, in which the so-called heaven-storming scientist fought against God himself.
Starting point is 01:03:05 Fuck you, God, I've made rubber. And it's synthetic. I don't need your plans anymore, God. I'm free from your yoke, Lord. I made lube. I shall use these to make my pipes fit together better. Yeah, that's all me, God. Madole also absorbed the authoritarian utopias and the master races that were so popular in the sci-fi of the era.
Starting point is 01:03:33 And when you mixed in his mother's anti-Semitism and everything happening with the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s and 40s, you had James Madole, sci-fi fascist. Booh, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. Shooting Jews with lace. Before we go too far into this, I'm just curious. Where is like the Church of Satan on science? Because obviously science has killed God. So like where... Oh, they're very pro-science.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Yeah. They are pro-science. But also Anton LeVay is one of those guys that is into folk magic and like local cure-alls. So he is also into that. Like he does like science and stuff. Michael Aquino is a big like science guy obviously. And then, but he's. He also believes that there's, like, lesser magics that can help you as well.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Let's say that they're more likely to die the death of Steve Jobs than most people. Maybe. Yeah. So, in his late teens, James Medell found other sci-fi fascists like author Charles B. Hudson. Hudson was a pre-war American fascist who, in addition to writing sci-fi stories, had caught the attention of other American fascists with his bulletin, America in Danger. The Turner Diaries is a sci-fi novel. Yes. No, there is a massive undercurrent of fascism within the sci-fi community that's been there. Heinland's always had a fucking, all of that.
Starting point is 01:04:56 We're obsessed with Atlantis. Yeah, it's been there since the 30s and 40s. Well, in this conspiracy-laden publication, America Endanger, Hudson blamed the Jews for every bad thing that ever happened in American history, including the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. No! Anton LeVe's future friend, James McDowell absorbed Hudson's writings. mixed it with sci-fi and turned it into his own flavor of Nazi movement. Managing to somehow be a nerdier fascist than even Heinrich Himmler, James Madol formed a far-right political movement based in the sci-fi community called the Anamist Party,
Starting point is 01:05:33 which was announced in an issue of the Pulp Magazine, startling stories. He did this in 1945, which is an admittedly ballsy year to do this, to put out that ad. Fascism's having a bad year, but I think that we can bring her back, boys. Let's go. Let's go. I actually thought animus, didn't animus, don't they believe? I thought that was like a whole thing where they believe every object has a soul. I don't know why he called it the animus party.
Starting point is 01:06:01 I couldn't really find much information on what the animus party. Because James McDowell, like all of this information is out there, but he is kind. He's a bit of a forgotten figure in the neo-Nazi movement. Good. But he is also shares a lot with the. modern Nazis, you know, the modern far right. And the modern fake reactionary
Starting point is 01:06:22 Satanist groups are doing, too, like the O&A and those guys. Sure. You know what? Also, that was specifically disproved to be connected to Michael Aquino. What, the O&A? Yeah. Well, let's not get into that. Too far. Yeah, yeah. I will talk about the order of the angles. You want to talk about a ritual. You want to get
Starting point is 01:06:38 into some ritual ideas. Really don't want to talk about it. This series will end today, Henry. I'm just saying, there's lots of stuff you can get into it. Don't want to talk about it. any way whatsoever. It's about the different ways to look at Satan. Pretty soon, James Madol
Starting point is 01:06:53 Pretty soon James Madol The trapezoids the door! The angles are the way! Stop it! Pretty soon, James Madol dropped the animist party and joined forces with a German American named Kurt Mertig who founded a neo-Nazi group
Starting point is 01:07:11 after Hitler's death called the National Renaissance Party. And I didn't realize how horrible of a name, Kurt Mertig is until I sit it out loud. Yeah, but also it's great. I was going to think of it like, what a great Nazi name. It is.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Kurt Mertig. Oh, fuck, here comes Mertig. Yeah. Oh, I thought you all stopped talking because you were talking about me. Well, actually, Mertig was a German American. He was a German-American. He had spent the 30s, like being basically a Hitler fanboy.
Starting point is 01:07:40 He was one of the founders, like, one of the first American Nazi parties. Big figure. But the group that he founded, the National Renaissance Party, it was taken from one of the last things Hitler wrote, in which Hitler said that springing forth from his death would be, quote, The seed of the radiant Renaissance of the National Socialist Movement. And they died. Of, I love the taste of bullets. Gasoline.
Starting point is 01:08:12 Not petrolics. Gary, Eva, you tried this first. God, I love to kill a woman. But Mertig was already an old man when he founded the NRP. So, future friend of Anton LeVay, James Madole, he quickly took over as the leader of the National Renaissance Party in 1949. But with Madole in charge, the NRP began exploring science fiction's other half. Fantasy.
Starting point is 01:08:37 I prefer fantasy. I mean, we're more of... I'm a fantasy guy, you're a sci-fi guy. That's how they'd get you. That's how they... I like Westerns. Yeah. Where's our fat?
Starting point is 01:08:46 Where's our Nazi westerns? Before long, Maddole was injecting the NRP with occult ideas that were a mixture of the fantasy stories Heinrich Kemler had picked up from German Volkwriters and the speculative fiction of pulp magazines. Maddole began writing occult political treatises with names like The New Atlantis,
Starting point is 01:09:07 a blueprint for an Aryan Garden of Eden in North America. There's like five racist dog whistles in that. It's actually, skilled how many different racist dog whistles are just in that one sentence. Yeah, no, no, no, there's a lot of guys that's going to see that and go, oh, I'll pick that up. The real New Atlantis is New Orleans. It's going to be under one or something. Don't discount Miami.
Starting point is 01:09:29 They're going to fucking race to the bottom of the ocean. Oh, fingers crossed. Well, in the New Atlantis, Madol predicted that once fascism took over and all the Jews and people of color were eliminated in America, the Aryan race would use its principles to take their ideology. to the stars. But in the real world, Madol was having a hard time putting his fantasy hierarchies into practice.
Starting point is 01:09:51 Nobody except a few morons were listening to his ideas as he shouted them from the street corners of New York City. So Madol took those morons and established what he called his security echelon.
Starting point is 01:10:03 These were his street fighters. They were supposed to be his storm troopers. Madol and the security echelon would spend the next few decades harassing people on the streets of New York City while dressed as stormtroopers.
Starting point is 01:10:16 Madol himself, he gave speeches, but he always wore a fucking crash helmet because he got his ass kick so much. God, it's great. Now, besides the psychic damage they caused, they were relatively harmless in the physical realm. That changed, however, in 1963. During an incident that is alternately called,
Starting point is 01:10:35 and I'm being totally serious here, it was called the White Castle plot or the siege on White Castle. I've done that. before. I've done some trench warfare inside of a white castle. No, the
Starting point is 01:10:53 white castle plot is, I'm really high, but I want some white castle. How are we going to get there? How we get there? The Uber driver was stopping the drive-through? There's a whole movie about it. There's a gigantic, there's a whole movie. Yes, that is about that.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Yeah. I'm talking about the burger joint white castle here. Oh, yeah. I also will say this is the type of shit, let's just say, this is the type of stuff that made them not take the neo-Nazi super seriously. I think that's the problem is that they really were kind of cute for a while. Yeah, they were just kind of stupid. Yeah. At this point, I'm more scared of shredder in the footclad.
Starting point is 01:11:30 Yeah. It's like they were just bad, stupid Nazis. They were just yell at you and they're extremely unpopular. Yeah. Well, in July of 1963, the Congress of Racial Equality, aka Corps, they were. were demonstrating against White Castle restaurants in the Bronx over racially discriminatory hiring practices. So which is what? So Cores, good or bad?
Starting point is 01:11:51 Good. Good. Yeah. And were they only hiring white people in the Bronx to work at White Castle? Well, therein lies the problem. Different time, my friend. It's also 1963. You know, the racial makeup of New York City changed incredibly fast throughout like the 50s, 60s and 70s.
Starting point is 01:12:10 So we're, I believe in 1963. can't remember if Robert Moses had completely destroyed the Bronx just yet. Yeah. But we're getting there. Okay. It's either right before or right after. But yes, you do bring up a good point. But it's a time of transition for New York City.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Well, after James Medell's neo-Nazi National Renaissance Party heard about core protesting at the White Castle restaurants in the Bronx, they arrived to counter protest and to literally defend the honor of White Castle. by the end You can't be wrong 100%. All the managers of the white castle being like
Starting point is 01:12:50 I better get about thousand burgers out of that horse But by the end of the White Castle plot Eight members of the NRP were arrested But not because they had valiantly battled the members of corps At a fast food restaurant in the Bronx
Starting point is 01:13:06 Instead they were arrested Because of their own Incredible stupidity See, three members of Madol's NRP had gotten their asses kicked by members of Corps at White Castle, so they went to the 43rd precinct in the Bronx to report the assault. I got beat up. I just want to say, yes, we are Nazis, yes. But we got hurt. They slapped us.
Starting point is 01:13:30 Can you please, yes, we're Nazis. We're the most powerful evil force in the world. One of them called me a honky. Can you imagine that? That's a racial slur. That's a racial attack. I mean, in the 60s, the only place you're allowed to legally
Starting point is 01:13:48 fight is the Bronx. Right? Well, one detective took the Nazi statement. Another went out to take a look at the truck in which the NRP had arrived, because it was obviously a very suspicious situation. The second detective saw out in the
Starting point is 01:14:04 open, a fully loaded 22 revolver, loaded tear gas guns, a crossbow, loaded with a steel-tipped arrow, a butcher knife, a switchblade, a straight razor, and an axe. Yeah, you're going to want to throw a blanket over that. But how will we get to it? But it's the
Starting point is 01:14:20 arrogance of these guys. It's like, no, but we're white. We're the master race. These guys are cops. They understand what we're all about it. Let's just say if you're the master race, you might want to have a master hiding all your crimes. Well,
Starting point is 01:14:36 Mado was picked up later that day, charged with conspiracy, and sentenced to two years in prison. But all that's to show you that the neo-Nazis that Anton LeVey kept company with, they were a bunch of fucking morons. And, you know, today's alt-right, pretty close to what Madol was like.
Starting point is 01:14:52 They're specifically, they're really into Warhammer 40K. Unfortunately, they're big Dune fans. I know. I know. The current alt-right. Well, that's just because they just don't, they don't understand the actual sacrifice that Lido 2 makes. And that is actually the key. Again, it's lack of understanding. Yes, there are certain parts about
Starting point is 01:15:10 but also how in the fuck are you possibly a neo-Nazi and anti-dude and what's literally against the ubermensch, and the content of the ubermension? Mitch McConnell looks like a sandworm. We know the best part about Mitch McConnell is that hopefully soon he'll be eaten by a bunch of dirtworm. Oh, that'll happen soon, right? You'll be dead soon.
Starting point is 01:15:30 Now, these are a lot of the guys that they love Star Trek, but they're like, the Darth Vader was right. You know, they're the ones who love the empire instead of the rebels. They're inherently wrong. Yeah, and they all hate Star Trek because Star Trek is too woke, as they say. Darth Vader killed the emperor. Yeah. Darth Vader didn't like being Darth Vader.
Starting point is 01:15:50 You missed the whole fucking death. You mess upon it the whole fucking thing. Darth Vader hated being Darth Vader. He was upset. He was upset. He was a slave. He made the wrong choice. He was a slave.
Starting point is 01:16:00 He was the wrong choice for him. And he only gave free him was his death. And that's the whole idea of the fucking film. Can I piss people off real quick? Sure. Return of the Jedi is the best Star Wars movie. Not your new... I love Empire, obviously. I love Empire.
Starting point is 01:16:15 I mean, A New Hope is easily the best. It starts off... Believe me, I still... That's a plus. It's a big plus. E-Ox are supposed to be wookies. They were. But also... Baby wookies? But I'm one of those. And Axis and allies, when we play it,
Starting point is 01:16:30 I always play Axis. I'm one of those guys. Even I get it. No, it's understandable sometimes. You just shouldn't, you know, build your entire... our political philosophy around it. No, you're dumb if you do that. Indeed.
Starting point is 01:16:42 You're stupid. Now, concerning Madol's friendship with Anton LeVay, it was mostly their hostility towards Christianity that aligned their movement with Satanism. That's the idea. Like Hamler before him, Madal was looking for pre-Christian pagan sources of the so-called Aryan religion, which, of course, never existed. But even so, his search for knowledge led him to Anton LeVay. Apparently, Madol and LeVay met frequently at the NRP office and at an occult bookstore
Starting point is 01:17:08 in New York City called the Warlock Bookshop. They started meeting sometime in the 1970s. Madole thereafter erected a large satanic altar in his apartment and also played recordings of Lavey's black masses at several NRP meetings. Now, we don't know exactly what Madole and Lave discussed, but a letter from 1974 does exist between Madole and a church of Satan member in which Madole asked if a small group of Satanists could help introduce NRP officers and members to quote, more advanced concepts of occult philosophy.
Starting point is 01:17:41 But from what it seems like, the NRP in the Church of Satan, they were both fringe groups who were seen by society at large as evil. As one scholar of the far right put it, their cordial relationship was basically networking, the hated hobnobbing with the hated to see if they could gain something from one another. One is always trying to use the other one, and so nothing gets done. There was another group called the Order of the Black Ram that did, something like this too.
Starting point is 01:18:08 And so Anton LeVay wrote a letter to them, which has always kind of been like the Church of Satan's official stance, which is this idea of like he wrote this letter being like, we cannot join forces because Satanism does not choose allies care. Like it chooses its allies carefully. But I will stand beside you in the fight against the church. Like it's that style of horseshit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:29 Now the NRP is so old they're called the NNRP. It's pretty good. That's not bad. Yeah. I like it. Actually, you're allowed. NRP died real quick after James Madole. Oh, of course.
Starting point is 01:18:42 Of course. As far as the fate of the NRP went, it died with James. When Madole succumbed to cancer in 1979, his mother turned over all of the NRP's so-called records to a staunch French-Canadian Madole loyalist named Jean. John. Just John. Madol's mother handed over all the documents at the memorial service for her son in New York City. But John, perhaps distraught after attending his friend's funeral, he struck a concrete abutment in the highway while on his way home.
Starting point is 01:19:14 John was killed instantly and the records Madol's mother had entrusted to John blew away like so much litter, thus ending the National Renaissance Party within days of James McDowell's death. That's fucking New York City garbage in 1979. Just more shit in the street. I can see, like, his mom at the funeral. I was like, I'm looking for Gene. Yeah, he's Gene here. Hello. Hello, my you boot the word mirror.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Oh, you're Gene. James left the message that I'm supposed to give you all these boxes that all of his, it's his things. That is supposed to be one more thing I've all seen in my life. Where I will take on. Now, from what I can tell, the 1970s truly were the last time that Anton Lave had any fun with the Church of Satan. In 1980, the FBI and the Secret Service raided the Church of Satan's Black House on Halloween, choosing the date, I'm sure, in an attempt to catch LeVay doing something dirty. But the FBI did have a reason for being there,
Starting point is 01:20:17 because an informant had told the FBI that Anton LeVay was involved in a plot to murder Senator Ted Kennedy. See, this is the type of shit he got really sick of dealing with. Yeah. Well, from what I can tell, LeVay was supposed to be the go-between on the murder, delivering eight kilos of hash to a Chicago mafia boss as payment for the hit on Senator Kennedy. The informant said that he himself was a member of the Church of Satan, and he was actually planning to instigate a gunfight during the handoff that would have resulted in LeVay's death, and hopefully in the death of the mobsters as well. And when the smoke cleared, the informant said that he was going to walk away with the drugs
Starting point is 01:20:57 and walk straight into the Church of Satan to become its new leader. possibly to get out of some other charge. The details are unclear. The informant was coming to the FBI with all of this information instead. All of this information was, of course, utter and total horseshit. Of course.
Starting point is 01:21:15 Not even a single ounce of it was true. It's a good story. It's a great story. It's a really great story. But the authorities having no idea what actually happened inside the Church of Satan. Of course not.
Starting point is 01:21:28 They think it's evil. They think he's evil. They're probably terrified. Oh, they, think they're going against the devil himself. Yeah. They set up a massive operation to catch Anton LeVay. The FBI, the Secret Service, the DEA, they set up a blockade at Chicago's O'Hare airport
Starting point is 01:21:44 to meet all incoming flights in the days preceding Halloween 1980. They were convinced that LeVe was going to arrive any day with a briefcase full of hash. LeVe, of course, never did. Instead, when agents raided LeVe's house on Halloween, he was just sitting there hanging out. Yeah, he's an old man. Yeah, he told the FBI that he had the highest regard for Senator Kennedy and his family, and that he would never have any involvement with drugs because he was morally opposed to them. That was actually the truth.
Starting point is 01:22:14 He was morally opposed to drugs. He didn't do drugs. To see the FBI showing up, guns drawn, and be like, this is actually just kind of sad. Yeah, you're like, oh, wow. You should be more evil than this. In 1980, he's Anton LeVe's 50. Yeah. You know, he's 50 and circling.
Starting point is 01:22:32 the drain. Yeah, he's going to watch TV with the helmet, no shirt, gut hanging out. Yeah, right. You're like, fiddle fattled?
Starting point is 01:22:42 You're never up there from me? You're like, fiddle fattling. But part of the reason why the FBI might have taken the allegations again about Anton the vase so seriously
Starting point is 01:22:54 is because earlier that year, the book that kicked off the satanic panic, Michelle remembers, was released. And it was taken incredibly seriously. Now, Michelle remembers, claimed to be
Starting point is 01:23:06 an autobiographical account of a woman who had been raised by Satanists who belonged to Anton the Vais Church of Satan. These Satanists had allegedly exposed this woman to satanic ritual abuse so horrifying that she had repressed all the memories until a psychiatrist helped her recover them.
Starting point is 01:23:24 Now, again, it is all bullshit. Anything attached to the satanic panic movement is not real. It is not real. there is not a single ounce of proof for any of it in any way whatsoever. Should be called Michelle misremembers. It really should be.
Starting point is 01:23:39 Yeah, let's get her fucking ass. Let's dig her up. I want to see your fucking bones. But Michelle and her psychiatrist they were fucking great talk show guests. They were amazing. So the satanic panic began to spread. Then came
Starting point is 01:23:55 the McMartin preschool case in 1983, which featured 300 allegations of Satanic ritual abuse that were completely and totally unfounded. Again, not a single bit of evidence for any of it. Martin only resulted in wasted time, money, and energy. But while no convictions were obtained, the trial lasted seven fucking years. It just ruined everybody's life.
Starting point is 01:24:20 I believe it was the longest trial in California history, maybe even one of the long, I think it still is one of the longest trials in American history. And it attracted constant and frantic media coverage. Oh, man. So it probably just took whatever money they had left. Everything. They just drained every, just drained every single person that was attached to it. It's just a fucking nothing but tragedy and pain.
Starting point is 01:24:42 Every person involved in the McMartin preschool, like, they were just people who ran a daycare. Yeah. And it was just they were, they liked kids and they got caught up and all of this shit. And their lives were, hundreds of people had their lives around because McMartin's just one. Yeah. It's one of dozens that happened all across the United States for 15 years, at least. Most often, the media sided with the prosecutors, and the Church of Satan was often singled out as a main culprit. The news show, 2020, made things even worse in 1985 when they accused Anton LeVay's Satanic Bible of being responsible for America's supposed rash of child daycare ritual abuses.
Starting point is 01:25:21 Are you slandering Barbara Walters? If she was involved in this story, then I'd say that Barbara Walters was wrong. And it's not slander. It's an opinion. It's an opinion. She is wrong. And she had a big head in a tiny body. Babo-wawa.
Starting point is 01:25:38 Babo-wawa. Now, you'd think that Anton LeVe would have had something to say about all this. But judging from his reaction, LeVe was all but done with being the boogeyman by 1985. And it's at this point in the story that Anton's daughter,
Starting point is 01:25:54 Zena, recipient of the world's first satanic baptism, returns. Obviously, also we know, Zina LeVey is the DNA-based. for the clone that is Taylor Swift. And Taylor Swift was built by Nazi scientists in order to sway the public. Because when she switches.
Starting point is 01:26:10 Zena LeVey, Zena Shrek. She changed her name many years ago. You're right, but Tina, but no, Taylor Swift is going to make a fascist turn. She's going to destroy the world. And I just want to remember that. I'm saying this right now. She's going to make a fascist turn. And we're going to have to probably sacrifice her to something.
Starting point is 01:26:26 I just know that as a group. Just keep your eyes open for that. Just know that. Just remember that. All right. Now, Zena was just 22 years old when 2020 ran the story maligning the Church of Satan. But when she called her father, Anton, and asked him, What's your media strategy for this?
Starting point is 01:26:44 He had nothing. As far as he was concerned, he didn't have anything to worry about. And he certainly wasn't going to go out into public to say anything. Yeah, he just rotted on the vine. Now, Zena was rightfully convinced that the situation was only going to get worse if they didn't respond at all, because silence could be seen as an admirable. mission of guilt or at the very least, you know, it left open speculation. And when speculation is open, that's when lies start to come in and that's when people start deciding what the
Starting point is 01:27:10 truth is for themselves. Yeah, and this is also shit about child rape. Oh, shit. People are being arrested and charged with crimes against children. This was absolutely something to take incredibly seriously. Yeah, to get in front of you spent so long writing letters about like some of the letters in this fucking book are about them arguing about the enamel, disjure. distributors that they got for the Baphomet medallions, like shit like that, that he was all over, all of this shit. And then when it comes to this, he's just nowhere. Well, he's just gone. He's defeated.
Starting point is 01:27:43 Yeah. I mean, finally, LeVay admitted to his daughter that he actually didn't have anyone to deal with interviews or media appearances anymore because Diane Higarty, co-founder of the Church of Satan, she was fucking gone by 1985. Oh, yeah. In 1984, after years of emotional and physical abuse, Diane Higarty left Anton LeVay. She claimed that he had screamed at her frequently and had once knocked her unconscious with a headlock. All that started happening after he got old, too. It was like in the second, like the latter half of their marriage, it seemed to really ramp up. It definitely ramped up.
Starting point is 01:28:19 I mean, it was known that he had anger problems privately. Yeah, it was an asshole. But the 1984 split was the first time that these allegations were made public. They viewed him as like a prickly grump, though. Like, it was like that kind of thing. And then he just got angrier and meaner and, you know. According to Anton and Diane's grandson, the abuse against Diane had only grown in the last few years that they were together. In other words, Anton's outward abuse seems to coincide with a realization in the early 1980s.
Starting point is 01:28:46 This is as far as the ride was going to take him. He also didn't give a shit about what was happening in the outside world. That's the ECI. Yeah. Nor did he care what happened to anyone else. as a result of the satanic panic. Zena, however, she did care. So she offered to help as the church's spokesperson
Starting point is 01:29:04 temporarily until Anton found someone permanent. This temporary spokesperson role, however, would last far longer than Zena wanted because Anton LeVay could be a very, very lazy man. Nothing illustrates this principle more than the Church of Satan book because all of the letters are from Diane. So all of the correspondence would, like, Anton would write letters when he was specifically kind of moved by something or whatever,
Starting point is 01:29:31 but Diane was the one doing it all. Diane was micromanaging the newsletter. Diane was micromanaging all the different grotto stuff. We're not micromanaging, just fucking managing. With Michael Aquino, right? She was doing it every, she was doing every bit of it. I honestly feel like she was the one with most of the passionate opinions. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:50 About things. And that Anton, because she'd speak on behalf of Anton, right? where he'd be like, oh, Anton thinks this, but Baba thinks this. And he's like, no, you're just writing a letter. Yeah, and also like, Zena's like, you're dying, but this is the rest of my life. Yeah, now it's on me.
Starting point is 01:30:05 And he's not even dying. He's like 54. He's like 54 years old. He doesn't have any sort of like... But he does not look good for 54. He looks very bad for 54. But he doesn't have a terminal illness. He's just done.
Starting point is 01:30:19 He's done with life. So as the Church of Satan's official spokesperson, and Zena appeared on every show from Phil Donahue to Sally Jesse Raphael, debating Christians while spreading the word about Satanism in an effort to put out some of the fires of the satanic panic. Ironically, Zena's TV appearances
Starting point is 01:30:36 caused membership numbers in the Church of Satan to skyrocket throughout the 80s, which never would have been possible if all those Christians hadn't made up all those stories about satanic ritual abuse. Because she's a beautiful woman, and she made that perfect example. She was very eloquent.
Starting point is 01:30:50 Because also, if you look at all the pictures, And this book, guess what it all is? Ugly men with incredibly hot women. It's the entire group. This is why you like this so much. Yeah, buddy. That was the whole fucking point. The whole point is that it allows nerdy idiots to hang out with the hottest chicks in the fucking city.
Starting point is 01:31:13 Sure. So what's the deal? I mean, ugly girls had to have been Satanist, too. Honestly, very few. Because you know what part of me. Because they all think, do that. No, no. I would say.
Starting point is 01:31:23 You know, it's not about that. It's not ugly or pretty. It's feminine. One of the satanic principles is high masculinity, high femininity. So the women, if you were to come to, there was like dress codes and those other rules that we didn't get into in the actual nitty-gritty of it. But he would say in it being like, if you're coming as a woman, I want them up, I want tits up, makeup, hair. Like, it's the idea of I want you high, high, high femme. sure
Starting point is 01:31:54 all right all right so I'm telling you yeah all right Satan whatever you say Satan
Starting point is 01:32:01 and the guys and the guys gotta wear suits well yeah because you're famous for your suits it's different now now I'm not doing
Starting point is 01:32:11 I'm not going to his house but I'm trying to wear more suits I'm trying to more stuff well as it turned out Zena was actually one of the people who helped put the satanic panic to bed she worked with law enforcement
Starting point is 01:32:21 agencies to set the record straight, because before Zena opened the books, so to speak, law enforcement knew next to nothing about actual Satanism. For the cops, they'd watch the devil's reign and think it was real, which is like scientists basing theories of time travel solely on back to the future. But thanks in part to Zena, the FBI issued a report in 1992 refuting all the criminal conspiracy theories concerning satanic ritual abuse. But by 1992, Zena had already resigned from the Church of Satan and had renounced her dickhead father two years earlier because while Anton LeVay still wasn't what you'd call a good guy during the 60s and 70s, he became an absolute piece of
Starting point is 01:33:03 shit in the 80s and 90s. And so by 1990, all of the people who'd been with Anton LeVay in the Church of Satan's heyday, they were gone. Dian had left six years earlier. Michael Aquino had left 15 years earlier, and after Zina's dust up with her father, she'd left LeVey and Satanism for who else but Michael Aquino's Temple of Set. Oh, man. Immediately became a high priestess in the Temple of Set. Became one of the people that like ran it. Big fuck you to death.
Starting point is 01:33:35 Oh my God. Aquino must have loved that. Oh, he stole the whole thing. He stole the whole crew. He stole the head of the Lilith Grotto. He stole the head of the Yuggeth crew. He stole the head of the Babylon crew. He stole every important Satanist.
Starting point is 01:33:49 Yeah. Now, the lawsuits over the ownership of the Church of Satan and all its properties, it lasted throughout the 80s. It was between Anton LeVay and Diane Higarty. But when LeVay was summoned to court over a restraining order filed by Diane Higarty in 1984, LeVay claimed to have taken revenge on the world using magic. He said that he wrote a letter announcing his magical intention for all hell to break loose when he got the summons.
Starting point is 01:34:15 And sure enough, at the very hour that LeVay was supposed to be in front of the judge in San Francisco, tragedy struck nine hours south in the California town of San Ysidro. This was the day of the infamous McDonald's massacre, which was one of America's first major mass shootings. Shit was crazy. Yeah. A man named, and we're going to do a full series on this. It's a fucking fascinating story.
Starting point is 01:34:38 But a man named James Huberti opened fire on a McDonald's with a machine gun, killing 22, and wounding 19 more. LeVay, however, believed that the similarity between Diane and, his last name, Higarty, and the shooters, Huberti, that wasn't a coincidence. So he took credit for causing the massacre with his magic spells. You know, it just, but it is interesting.
Starting point is 01:35:02 When you're in the magic world, this one's a stretch. This is a huge stretch. It was flailing. Yeah, I mean, he's, you know, I want to get home. The only thing that the name share is that they start with an age and with a Y. There are other coincidences in Anton LeVay's life
Starting point is 01:35:17 that are incredible. No, but now he's, trying. Now he's reaching. He's obviously losing his touch in every way, and it doesn't in there. In 1984, when Anton was 54 years old, he entered into a relationship with a 17-year-old girl named Blanche Barton, who'd written him a letter from college. The two of them immediately got in a sex magic, BDSM, and quite a bit of piss, all while Anton was still married to Diane. When you're old, that's the last thing that goes. It's like, come on, you weren't going to do that with Sammy Davis, Junior, but you're going to do it now at the end of your life and ruin your marriage,
Starting point is 01:35:51 you fucking idiot. You know what, though? But if you look at it, it's exactly the problem, is that it's arrested development. This is an example of him trying to dial back the clock and thinking that he can regain something else by like how many times do we see an old man marry a almost child, because literally they're just trying to feel something again, which is not how it goes. Nope. Well, after Diane left, Blanche Barton stuck around and eventually wrote Anton LeVay's official biography.
Starting point is 01:36:22 It is absolutely filled with easily disproven lies. But Barton still repeats these lies in every interview she gives as if they were gospel truth, including an interview I saw in the special features on the Devil's Rain Blu-ray disc. She's, to this day, man. But for all his former infamy, Anton LeVease simply faded into the background of American culture in the last decades of his life, Even though he died in 1997, his last notable appearance in the public eye had been 10 years earlier after the arrest of serial killer Richard Ramirez, who was, of course, a committed theistic Satanist. Oh, yeah. His own batch.
Starting point is 01:37:01 Yeah, yeah. He's a, let's call it bespoke Satanism. Yeah. Boutique. Yeah. See, before Ramirez had killed anyone, he'd driven to San Francisco so he could meet and talk with Anton LeVay. reportedly Ramirez stopped Anton in the street and politely asked if they could chat about Satanism for just a few minutes. LeVay, however, brushed Ramirez off and told him to write a letter instead.
Starting point is 01:37:25 It's probably because he smelled like shit and looked like a fucking chupacabra. I can tell exactly, you know Richard Ramirez. So him going like, hey man, you want to talk about singing you for a while. And he's looking at him and just being like, because that's the height of his abilities. And he's like, you're not a hot chick. Yeah. I'll see you later. You need to get out of here.
Starting point is 01:37:43 Write me a letter. He should have been nice to him. Could have saved some lives. Well, I don't think he would have. I don't know. Not with Richard Ramirez. Yeah, not with Richard Ramirez. Because as soon as Richard Ramirez returns to that sweet, sweet mainline cocaine, it's all over from there.
Starting point is 01:37:56 It's much more the mainlining cocaine than it is the Satan. It did help you. When it comes to Richard Ramirez. That's really what drove a lot of it. He could have straightened him out. Cocaine's bad in the vase. Honestly, I wish. Now I'm back on your side.
Starting point is 01:38:11 I wish. Now I'm out. Now I'm, I'm there. Well, Ramirez apologized for bothering LeVay. He wished him a happy solstice and walked away. But after Ramirez was arrested and branded as the most evil serial killer in American history, Anton LeVay saw an opportunity to press that outrage button one more time. When the press reached Anton LeVay for comment about Richard Ramirez,
Starting point is 01:38:36 LeVay said that Richard was, quote, the nicest, most polite young man you'd ever want to meet. And I guess to Antaum of A, he was. He was. In that moment, he wasn't killing him and his wife. I had gone point. Yeah, he wasn't scooping her eyes out and leaving him on the dresser. No, not there, yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:38:54 God, he just wanted attention so fucking bad. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so interesting that the satanic panic really, like, it should have been his moment. Yeah. You know, like that, it really should have been his moment to shine, to come out. I mean, Zena took the mantle and she made it happen. But that should have been his, you know, his moment.
Starting point is 01:39:16 But I think, really what I think it is is I think Diane was the one who got him out of the house. And without her, he's just some lazy fuck that doesn't feel that I'll get to it tomorrow. I don't think he's intelligent enough. Well, it's not, you know what? It's not about, I actually think he's quite intelligent. It's self-conscious and able to change. That is the main issue. He purposely froze himself in place.
Starting point is 01:39:40 When you, you have a responsibility as a fucking wizard. Like, I know that's ridiculous to say. He had a responsibility. He looked on what Alistair Crowley did, and he looked at Helena Bovotsky. He looked at all these things, and they all fail.
Starting point is 01:39:57 They all eat shit. And the reason why they all fail and eat shit is because instead of what I was saying in the beginning, becoming Gandalf the white getting rid of the old you becoming the new you the first half of your life has spent changing the world
Starting point is 01:40:16 the second half of your life should be spent having the world change you because you are now in it you've done it you've made your mark now it's like where does my mark go how can this come back and change me and then how can I be here for all of you because I set this up
Starting point is 01:40:32 so I am responsible for this fucking thing. That's how I view it. He should have been like, I'm responsible for the church of Satan, I'm there to save it, I'm going to end it, or do whatever I want with it, but it's mine, and I'm going to protect it, and I'm going to do what needs to be done to protect it, and I'm going to advance it. I'm going to do
Starting point is 01:40:48 all these things, but he just didn't do it, and it led to his demise. That's why I'm enjoying Flee's jazz album. It's really good. I love that album, man. Oh, well. Now, unfortunately, the end of Anton LeVay's life was pretty much defined by his legal fights with Diane Higarty,
Starting point is 01:41:10 who even filed restraining orders claiming that she feared for her life. By 1993, LeVay had lost everything, including the Black House. But a friend of LeVay's bought the Black House from Diane, and he allowed Anton to finish out his years amongst the remains of his former groovy life. Because that's how Anton LeVay's... He existed at the allowance of other people. Didn't care. By the 90s, LeVey had stopped doing interviews and was hospitalized time and again in the last six months of his life. He died on October 29, 1997 of respiratory failure, but LeVay had arranged for his death certificate to say that he had died on October 31st, Halloween, proving even with his death that it was his belief that there was no reason why the truth should get him.
Starting point is 01:42:01 in the way of a good story. God. God damn. And there's lessons to be learned here, man. Yeah, there's a lot of lessons to be learned. There's a lot of lessons. And I think that's why it's so even important that we did this series in that way
Starting point is 01:42:11 because it's like, I want to expand as I get older. I do not want to narrow. Hey. You fucker out. I'm bulking. I'm bulking. But I want to fucking get better.
Starting point is 01:42:24 I want to get better as I get older. I want to be the best I've ever been by the time I'm 75. Yeah. I want to find I'm 75. I want to have, like, taking all lessons that I've learned and try to try to do something else with it. And I feel like these stories are important to hear because, yeah, they made their mark
Starting point is 01:42:39 on a world, but then they just left it at that. Well, the difference is you have a quest for knowledge. He thought that everything he thought was gospel. Yes, and then it was done. Yeah. And then the thoughts were done. And you know, he could have done so far. Like in 1980, he could have come right out after Michelle remembers was released and said, no.
Starting point is 01:42:56 And he could have opened up the church of state into the world. He could have showed people like, everybody. Like, look, look, it's a fucking social club. We do magic rituals that are kind of magic but not really. All the shit that they're saying isn't true. And he could have headed the fucking satanic panic off at the past. Oh, yeah, you're like, look here. The main tenant says, we don't fuck kids.
Starting point is 01:43:14 We don't fucking rape anybody. We don't do that. He could have done that. And the thing is that the satanic panic was partly caused by him founding the Church of Satan. Yeah. He brought it. He did it. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 01:43:26 He was responsible. He was responsible and he completely and totally. left all responsibility to everybody else. It's so weird because he, like, championed a life of, like, adversity. But then the moment conflict shows up, he just gives up. Yeah. That is an example of what we got to... Like, I've been saying this for a little bit about how, like, good guys got to beat bad guys, right?
Starting point is 01:43:48 Good guys got to win. Satanism is supposed to give you that edge. That is what nice... And that's what I'm taking on to it. And reminding myself all the time. It is about the independent, wild spirit inside of humanity. that wants us to be free. And there is something about that
Starting point is 01:44:04 that I try to remember at all times and then every single time these kind of forces want you to choose one thing or another is like, fuck it, I'm a free, I'm free. Like, you can't make me choose. And so I think that if, I'm going to keep that and keep changing and going and then use that aggressiveness
Starting point is 01:44:21 to fight people I don't like that are legitimately bad guys. I will fight the bad guys. Have to. Got to. Yeah. Patreon.com slash last podcast on the left is where you can go see a stream and support us financially directly. You can also watch us on Netflix.
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Starting point is 01:45:57 Also, Henry and I got a new show on October 24th. Side Stories at the Mateel Community Center. We're going back to fucking Humboldt. We're coming to Humboldt for Halloween. Yeah. I might come along on that one. That's going to be a blast. Now I'm smoking weed again.
Starting point is 01:46:13 I want to go to the land of weed. Oh, you're going to like this. We do. They want you there so bad. So we're going to announce that, but we're going to really beef that up. I don't know what we're going to do with that show, but we're doing something Halloweeny with it. Yeah. Make sure you show up in cosplay.
Starting point is 01:46:26 tune like you did last year. You all looked fucking amazing. It was awesome. And then I'm also, I'm not taking the break that Marcus has taken. I'm taking a full 22 hours off. But then on July 19th, I'll be in Plano, Texas by myself. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm yelling at all those motherfuckers. Fighting the good fight. Yeah. And I got lots of cities on my schedule. So go to 80tunes.com if you want to come see me live and do my stand-up show. Phoenix was amazing. Thank you to everyone who came out. Yeah, that Plano Club's great. Like I said, that's where I saw Mitch Hedberg when I was in college. Fuck yes.
Starting point is 01:46:55 Yeah. That's cool. All right. I love you guys. Oh, HGX2. Watch it. The finals were last night. I hope you fucking loved it.
Starting point is 01:47:04 The whole thing's available. Season 2 of HGX2. I told you. Yeah. What are you talking about? I fucking crushed her wife. You didn't do. I crushed your fucking bitch, man.
Starting point is 01:47:15 I beat her with my hands. We love you guys. We'll see you next week. Hail Satan. Oh, and hell Gien. Hell, um. Hell Zena. I liked her.
Starting point is 01:47:27 No? She's interesting. You didn't say anything bad matter. No, well, I didn't. There's a lot. There was a Nazi thing. Oh, well, fuck Zena. Let's say.
Starting point is 01:47:37 I mean, come on. It's obvious, our man, Sammy. Hail Sammy Davis, Jr. You could also probably just give shrimp. Satan's got nothing to do with anything. You hailed them already. I'm not hailing him again. Yeah, you don't need that.
Starting point is 01:47:48 Satan was just hanging out. Whatever. No, nothing for Taylor. Taylor Swift's an Aryan to fucking evil, general. It's just Sammy, come on Sammy. It's a Sammy Davis Jr. Hail Sammy. I'm going to say hail Klugman. Hail
Starting point is 01:48:02 Jack, Klugman. Me, Klugman. Me, Klugman. Clugman. Clugman. Clugman. Clugman.

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