Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 87: Spree Killers Pt. 2: I've Been Getting These Headaches...

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We continue our coverage of America's worst spree killers with the top men on campus: Charles Whitman, the deadly sniper who killed 16 and wounded 32 from the top of a clock tower at the University of Texas, and Seung-Hui Cho, the deeply troubled madman who rose to the top of America's spree killer list with a body count of 32 while stalking the campus at Virginia Tech.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started What was that knife wound knife wound yeah, that's not a bad way to go Is that good No, no, that's Marcus I am Ben with this is always sounding bad. Who is he? Yeah, he's unemployed Unemployed what happened man? No, how'd you get fired again?

Well, you know things have just been going south for me. I know that uh I'm addicted to hamburgers and the government made that happen for me So the government gets you addicted to hamburgers because yeah, they're nice juicy hamburgers on the commercials And so I'm taking a gun. I'm gonna kill my boss I don't you're making some jumps You're making some mental jumps. I don't think the government controls those sweet sizzling beef patties on those McDonald's ads But Ben, I've realized it's the only way to get revenge spree killing

Pretty killing part two and so last week we covered a lot of funny fun dudes fun guys doing fun things Is that how you describe the people? Yeah, that how you describe Richard Speck fun guy doing fun things Well, he ate nuns. He turned into a fun guy I finally sat and watched a doc that you watch because I went to after doing the podcast I went to go looking and went to go look for as much of the prison tape as I could find Oh, yeah, and I couldn't find it except for the clips that you watched and man He's got a set of perfect 10s. He really does Amazing

Nipples they're perfect. Yeah, you want to suck on the little they're like little Malamars if you're in prison And you haven't seen a woman for about 30 years and Richard Speck goes in with a bunch of honkers like that You can make believe the worst part was sitting next to him in sunglasses just recoiled like he was on the beach out of a visa Oh, yeah looking at this 60 year old man, and he's like hey you got them You got them blue panties on and he's like yeah, you want me to take them off. He's like Yeah Yeah, the dude's just acting like kid rock at a strip club just like the biggest piece of human meat Really enjoying it, but now we're into some people who are

These are the real deal We're gonna count on the top three but before we get to that. Yeah, this is definitely looking at we're looking at the Bobby Benia's that's right That's a that's your baseball reference. That's your baseball Howard Johnson the Mucky Wilson Mookie Wilson's up. This is all I know is Mets from the 1980 from 1984 to 1989 It's the only baseball players. I know last week. We went through the first four types of spree killers Yes, you know we went through your guys who were in it for the fame guys in it for the revenge guys

They're in it for the sex and now we're at type 5 otherwise known as there are days and there are days These are guys that are completely out of touch with the yet reality They're most of the time they go through psychiatric evaluation either before after all of these guys were tagged as Mental health risks a lot of them from the time they were children and they just let them go and they gave and literally all of them like Charles Whitman our big boy that we're gonna do up top. He's just like literally to about 50 different people He said he's like, you know be a rotten good idea Just going up in that tower and start picking people off of the deer rifle and they're like Now that's my favorite Charles Whitman joke isn't that great with the tower and the shooting everybody

In fact the exact quote is person could stand off an army from atop that tower before they got him friggin This is why we bring him around. He always has the good times with a nice thoughts again another great man that we made These are people that Yeah, so these are the truly cuckoo for cut and to made in America and to made overseas So let's get into a mr. Whitman mr. Whitman Charles Whitman this whole thing happened in 1966 Lucky Whitman Look my ass look had nothing to do with it. This guy practice practice exactly this guy was a train killer

Through and through he was at the time the number one Spree killer in America and possibly the world if you don't count wars That's the thing about all of these is that you can't count wars right right and all this was the total What's the total death count for Charles? His total death count was I believe 18 18 with a minor we're gonna say minus his wife and mother and minus the people on the stairs of the bell tower that it Was heading up. Okay. Yeah, he injured quite a deal But the big thing also about Charles Whitman the world's youngest at the time Eagle Scout. Yeah, oh, yeah So he started off really interestingly only because of his abusive father when they were together like the only way

They understood each other was that he would take his boy out shooting And he was amazing at it He said as a matter of fact that he could shoot the eye out of a squirrel from like 50 yards Some like lewd Larry bird story where he said he was throwing coffee beans into coffee cups Illustrated yep when Charles Whitman was a US Marine he received 215 out of 250 possible points on a shooting test and did well when shooting rapidly over long distances and aiming at moving targets

Okay, he's really quite good at this And I was also watching a doc in him, too And that's what they there was like some other old Marine was like talking about him And he was just like and they're right no better way for a Marine to go out and go up showing everybody He could still shoot like a motherfucker. I'm just like all good. Oh, yeah He could also just die peacefully in his sleep surrounded by his family But I was military if you enroll nice old 21 gun salutes. I'm like that could be a good way to go out So what's his M. Oh well before we get to his M. Oh, I want to make sure that we clarify his body count

He shot 12 from the tower, but his overall body count was 18. Yeah, right Yeah, he shot 12 from the tower He shot four in the abse on his way up to the tower and he shot his wife and his mother before he got to the tower Oh, yeah, so in order to save them. That's what you guys don't understand is that he wanted to save them from embarrassment Yeah, yeah, that's true. He didn't want them to see all the terrible news stories I feel like it's a they love if Jackie ever went on a killing spree. I'd just be like, you know what I could live with the embarrassment Yeah, matter of fact, that's gonna give me good numbers Yeah, Jackie's a Browsky would go on a wonderful killing spree

Speaking of killing sprees Marcus has quite an unbelievable video of him shooting a you what is it? AR-15 in AR-15. Yeah, when you go in your killing spree, that'll be all over the news I'll post it. I'll post it on the page because you can see my maniacal joy Oh, he's having a great time. After shooting it like just I mean, I'm just laughing and laughing so hard That's right But he climbed up to the top of the bell tower in UT and before we get into really like his kind of private life I just want to say I have been there I have I have been to the University of Texas to the courtyard where he killed most of his victims

These are your people. These are my people. This is Texas, you know, right and I've seen from the links the distance that he shot these people. He was good, huh? My god, and it is Terrifying to think that a man is that good. Oh, yeah, he was he was pulling on Michael Jordan 3p Yeah, like this was his golden moment This was the moment he was born to do and he knew it from years before that he was gonna because he kept saying it He kept saying everyone is like you just go up with that bell tower and start shooting people He's he'd already ran it through in his brain. I mean it you know over and over again Well, he's the only one out of the ones that we're gonna talk about today that did not have psychological problems as a child

Okay, at the he had I mean relatively normal upbringing, especially for Texas at the time. Yeah, yeah His dad was a piece of shit. Yeah, his dad beat him. Yeah, but most Texas older men once you hit 45 You just slowly turn into a beer guzzling big hat wearing, you know shit kicking Claude stomper Sure, you know what? I'd take it back me and Henry mean you can share this one. He grew up in Florida. What? Yeah This is the Florida guy Florida created mr. Charles West Palm Beach, whoa, we're the Mets train Mookie Wilson Mookie Wilson spent some time there Howard Johnson spent some time there. He was a popular guy Moderately intelligent sure pretty normal the only trouble he really got into

Leading up to this because a lot of these guys have criminal records the only trouble that he got into was When he was in college him and a couple of buddies went out They shot a deer and they brought it back to their dorm and they tried cleaning it in their dorm showers And when he was in in the Marines he got into trouble for gambling He got he had a little enough some steam. Yeah, you got in trouble for a usury I mean that's kind of hardcore. That's like that's a big one right that is that's that's lending money and looking for interest Yeah, that's lending money in an unethical manner meaning if you don't give me my bank does if you know It's what the Bible did to do a slight to a certain

race of people That I will go that have been much maligned over time, right, and I won't say Jews oh, I thought it was the Scandinavians not the Scandinavian Okay, it's essentially say it's a like the modern-day version of it is if you don't have my $30 by Friday I'm gonna break your pinky. Yeah, okay. I love my pinky Yeah, I'm gonna take you up to the top of the University of Texas's bell tower And I'm gonna use you as a gun and throw you at people from the bell tower. Okay. Yeah

It's a lot of people if you threw me Yeah, yes, like a whole a whole other big man I don't know kids. Yeah, maybe first of all, it's me getting you up That's a lot of work spear, and I don't got that kind of time. No, no ain't nobody got time for that. I know It's tough so after years and years of doing various things. He was a student at UT very briefly Okay, but couldn't quite hack it after this in the weeks and months and possibly years leading up to the shootings He started getting these blinding headaches Okay, it's killing me and it's like after a while

It's gonna make you start connecting every single thing that happens into your life that while you're having a headache It's gonna make you mad and then when you're not having a headache and you still see Kathy and Kathy coming in She's just like oh Charles ain't dropped one of the eggs and you're like And he goes to a few different doctors and he tells them listen I have these blinding headaches I'm starting to have very aggressive thoughts. I'm worried that I might do something We definitely slapped his wife around the first couple times. That was the thing he met his lovely What during no, well, I think I mean they were probably happening at the time I know what's up as soon as they got together. She was like his dream woman, right and then he

He immediately started like bark at honor. I mean they were married for four years before the massacre happened Yeah, 62. Hmm. Okay at the same time. I just really feel like like ladies Men if your significant other start screaming about his headaches if he's talking about go to the top of the tower Just try to stop him if he starts to act like Jeff like Jeff Goldblum in the movie the fly Just get out of there. Yeah, he's gonna turn into a killer in the morning. It's not good I mean sure he'll be strong for a couple of nights and you can grab a strong man back and ride it and it's hot and it's Steamy, but he's a killer. He's a killer of real. You're gonna get it woman. You're gonna die

So the day before the shootings Whitman went out bought a pair of binoculars and a knife from a hardware store Okay, some spam from 7-eleven. Hell. Yeah. Yep picked up his wife making cookies later That's spam. That's spam with his hands. Yeah, but spam spam. Yeah, so spam is what fueled this killing spray I thought that he went and bought a bottle of Pam. I don't know what he's oil enough to have a spray butter Why not? What would he use it for? I don't the other day. I put some Pam on some bread grilled it right up. It tasted, okay That's disgusting. It's sad, but who cares? We're not here to judge me. We're talking about Charles What I heard what he was gonna do is gonna use the Pam to spray up the courtyard in front of the bell

Before he decided to start shooting people, he's like, I'm gonna make the world slippiest This will be the funniest three-killing ever banana peels As many whoopee cushions as a man can fart upon So that's a sad time to kill a person after they just sat in a whoopee cushion Yeah, so he goes he picks up his wife. They go and hang out with some of their friends that afternoon He drops off his wife at her night shift and this is when he pens his suicide note Yes, and I love this letter. He really does well with it. You could really hear it all in this

So should I began? Yeah, we got reading Is that a vocal warm-up? Yeah, I don't think that's a theatrical vocal warm-up Well, we don't have any recordings of Charles Whitman's voice So we really have no way of knowing what he actually sounded like interesting That was the other problem is this tiny teeny voice big man tiny voice 645 p.m. I Don't quite understand what it is that compels me to type this letter Perhaps it is to leave some vague reason for the actions. I have recently performed. I don't really understand myself these days I'm supposed to be an average reasonable and intelligent young man

However lately, I can't recall when it started. I've been a victim of many unusual and irrational thoughts These thoughts constantly recur and it requires a tremendous mental effort to Concentrate on useful and progressive tasks Mm-hmm in March when my parents made a physical break. I noticed a great deal of stress. I consulted a doctor Chakram at the University Health Center and asked him to recommend someone that I could consult with about some psychiatric disorders I felt I had right I talked with a doctor once for about two hours and tried to convey to him my fears that I felt come overwhelming violent

Pulses after one session. I never saw the doctor again. I wonder why I don't know I mean, but what doctor just releases him after all that. I mean a scared doctor doctor look it out for number one Which I understand. I think it's a doctor who came in at 457 the doctor was off work at five He's like you got three minutes at three minutes. Oh, you got no unconventional violent thoughts. Okay. I gotta go Just get on out of here office clothes You take tape some aspirin medical records indicate that he just gave him some volume perfect That's actually a very good thing that you should have had that's great He should have been having that 24-7 because he was asleep. He wouldn't have been killing everyone get him on the drip

and Since I have been fighting my mental turmoil alone and seemingly to no avail After my death, I wish that an autopsy would be performed on me to see if there is any physical physical disorder I've had some tremendous headaches in the past and have consumed two large bottles of Excedrin in the past three months It was after much thought little yellow little Yellow different It was after much thought that I decided to kill my wife Kathy tonight after I pick her up from work at the telephone company Charles, have you maybe we shouldn't think so much

Honey, I'm couldn't help but notice that you are you drew my face on a target. Yes, and I don't I've been thinking a lot about you lately, honey I love her dearly and she's been as final wife to me as any man could ever hope to have I Cannot rationally pinpoint any specific reason for doing this I don't know whether it is selfishness or if I don't want her to have to face the embarrassment my actions would surely cause her I bet you she could have dealt with you could have been fine She's a lot of stuff you can do when you're alive. She might not have loved him. She might be happy that he's dead Yeah, at this time though the prominent reason in my mind is that I truly do not consider this world worth living in and

I'm prepared to die and I do not want to leave her to suffer alone in it. I intend to kill her as painlessly as possible He stabbed her like 15 times. Yeah, he's like sort of a hero, but then not at all a hero same thing with his mama Similar reasons provoked me to take my mother's life as well. Also I don't think the poor woman has ever enjoyed life as she is entitled to I will crawl back inside of her and eat my way I eat my way out. I don't know. I heard that the uterus is chewy like bubblegum. Yeah, that's true Actually, she was a simple young woman who married a very possessive and dominating man All my life as a boy until I ran away from home to join the Marine Corps. So I'm just happening to be nothing like my dad I'm nothing like my father. So then he so what happens here is that two people showed up a handwritten addendum after he wrote this

He killed he went he killed his wife Which didn't he like he brought her home, right? Yeah, he killed his wife by stabbing her a bunch of times then Um, like while he was writing this letter Friends came over and hung out with him and they said the only unusual thing is that he had the typewriter out in the living room But otherwise we had a fairly pleasant conversation That's not you know They these talk to me got him off and then he says he writes friends interrupted August 1st 1966 Monday 3 a.m. Both dead. I was a witness to her being beaten at least once a month

Then when she shook took enough my father wanted to fight to keep her below her usual standard of living Imagine I imagine it appears that I brutally killed both of my loved ones. Yep. Yep. Yeah, I mean, you know Did I was only trying to do a quick thorough job If my life insurance policy is valid, please see that all the worthless checks I wrote this weekend are made good It's like you Ben. Yeah, it's colonial pen commercial. Please pay off my debts I'm 25 years old and I've been financially independent. That's more than Holden McNealy's got to say that's right hold him from the round table Donate the rest anonymously to a mental health foundation Maybe research can prevent further tragedies of this type Charles jumpy Whitman

It's Jay, so I think it's I think his middle name was jumpy. I think so give our dog to my in-laws, please tell them Kathy loved Scochie very much very nice extremely concerned about the dog. I'm happy. He didn't kill the dog. Yes Yeah, and the rest and then he wrote a letter that he put next to his mom's corpse if you want me to read it as well Yeah, what I mean? Yeah, what's the point of that one to whom it may concern with your mother? I have just taken my mother's life I'm very upset over having done it. However. I feel if there is a heaven. She is definitely there now if not, I guess she's fucked That's not a very nice letter Charles, and if there is no life after I have relieved her of her suffering here on earth The intense hatred I feel for my father is beyond description My mother gave that man the 25 best years of her life and because she finally took enough of his beating

Simulation and degradation and tribulations that I am sure no one but she and he will ever know to leave him He has chosen to treat her like a slut that you would bed down with Oh my favor isn't through a pittance in return I am truly sorry that this is the only way I could see to relieve her sufferings, but I think it was best Charles say three Nice things about your mother. She's got up. She's got a strong back She's got a beating stomach, and she's got a winking eye. Okay, that's nice. Let there be no doubt in your mind I love that woman with all of my heart If there exists a god let him understand my actions and judge me accordingly Charles jumpy-witman

I still don't fully understand he killed her because she was beat. I mean, it's kind of a good Builder, I mean he's worse than his father. Yes, you know cuz he's like killed. He's stabbed her right Mm-hmm. Yeah, all right So he finally finished all this up about 3 a.m. The next day He went out to the Austin rental company and rented a hand truck. It's work day big hand truck because he's got a lot of shit Lot of stuff. He's like a fun little Santa Mm-hmm. He went over to a hardware store. He purchased a universal M1 carbine pretty badass gun Just rifle hunting standard. Is that a marine gun or is that a hunting rifle Marine gun at the time was an M16 cool

Yeah, that's a hunting rifle eight boxes of ammunition told him. He's going out hunt wild hogs And he went to pig I've seen the ladies in Texas you did hello Oh, how are you? It's mathy. It's nice to meet you. I'm going to buy you. Oh, man. You're so fucking hot You then drove to Chuck's gun shop where you've purchased four more magazines It was just gun shop. I'm gonna help you. Yeah, I like selling this helps me I just want to show them all man upsell this guy upsell them on the better rifles this guy's looking to buy He bought six more boxes of ammunition and a can of gun cleaning solvent

He then went to Sears where he purchased a Sears model 60 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun And then went back on home and a nice dresser said as well Yeah, one thing he doesn't mention that then he's a bunch of plus-sized braziers Interesting. Yeah, then he sawed off the barrel of the 12 gauge shotgun packed the women along with a Remington 706 millimeter bolt-action hunting rifle a 35 caliber pump rifle a 30 caliber carbine a 9 millimeter Luger pistol a Gallus Ebrecia 25 caliber pistol and a Smith and Weston M19 357 mag magnum revolver 700 rounds of ammunition all into his footlocker He already packed food coffee vitamins dexadrine

Exadrine earplugs jugs of water matches lighter fluid rope binoculars a machete three knives a transistor radio toilet paper Eraser in a bottle of deodorant, so he was prepared ready for y2k In the movie death and he did all this before 11 a.m. Amazing I got look at us. We barely get a podcast done. It's just now turn 11. Wow. We've done nothing with our day I've had four cups of coffee in about 25 minutes. You know any other thing is The thing about Charles Whitman is that he was really hopped up on dex dream Yeah, he was really like he did not help his headaches at all point of dexedrine. What does that do?

It's like it was beatnik uppers It's like what jet caro act did and that's why he saw fireworks in the sky and reminded him his friends because him his friends are all Going hey Yeah, man. No, okay. Listen. I wrote this. I wrote this poem. I was with the sidewalk. Hey You're so fine. Sometimes I'm gonna I'm plants plants plants plants grow out of sidewalks You know I got my feet if you got shoes if you got shoes feet attached to legs you got hips Oh Very smart and you wonder why they're all it's just not good by 40. Yeah. Yeah stuff. It's like the brains are gone

Done. All right, so he's got all these things 25 to young you do when you were 25. I wasn't going to towers sniping a bunch of kids. I'll tell you that much That was a total loser No ambition no goals in life so he gets on campus by showing a fake ID permit as a research equipment says He was delivering equipment and that's when he was like, yeah I've got you know all these boxes over here that I gotta deliver so he wheels the dolly you happen have any Edville or something together Charles get it together. You're losing them man Acting like Johnny Depp and fear and loathing in Las Vegas when he's hanging out with the fucking carnival tripping nuts

Yep And so he goes up to the tower and he tries pressing the elevator and the elevator is not working Alexander movie. Yeah, Dunstan checks in Monkey movie the monkey movie. When does the monkey get shot in the head in that movie? I'm not sure. I think it goes to University of Texas Biology, I want to find the movie that's brave enough to start shooting monkeys in the head Dunstan checks out Yeah, you know might as well But Vera Palmer a very helpful University of Texas employees said well, it looks like it ain't paradigm

Let me turn that on for you. Oh, this is so he's the real person that caused the murder Yeah, he also like he also told JFK. He's like, you know, you should keep the hood down It's hot in the day. It's hot in Texas. People love to see your face. Big ol big ol big ol round Irish in Germany in 1932 I would say that painting is not as good as it could be I think that he needs to maybe do some more independent study before we let him into school I think if you just put your hand like real sharp and like a 75 degree angle people might respond to that They might like that just the hand movement, but I don't know much anyway So after Vera turned on the elevator Whitman's sister, you don't know how happy that makes me. Yeah, that's so scary

Another future massacre I cause that's all you could just hear it in his voice you because of his face because he looks like He looks like a block of Wisconsin cheese like his he's got one of those like long tube heads Like he's a full American where it's like his like buzz cut just sits on the top of his fucking cylinder like head and he's just like You have no idea how happy that makes me and he repeated it How happy that makes me how happy that makes me. Oh happy that makes me. Oh happy that makes me. Oh Right, so he's in the elevator So it's at this that yeah, he goes up to the 27th floor Of course the elevator doesn't go all the way to the clock tower observation deck

And he starts lugging all of his shit up the stairs and this is when the public killing starts Yes, this is when he just starts attacking Anyone that he sees the first one is an old woman He fucking hits her in the face with the butt of his rifle and then he hits her again when she gets on the floor and Smashes her fucking skull open. Yeah, drags her behind the shooter grab drags her behind a couch Okay, yeah, and then he goes up the stairs He gets up there and then it's a fucking family. He's just going like they're going to go see the bell tower And share a box and all daddy daddy daddy. I want to go see the bell tower

And he's just like you just shut your goddamn mouth for a second. We're gonna get up to the tower You are making my head explode son And then when he got up to the observation deck, there was two people up there and women had the gun in his hand and One of the guys says that he thought he was Whitman was there to shoot pigeons Sure, and they exchanged brief pleasantries and then the couple left. Oh, man That's all you have. That's why instead of just screaming flipping out be nice to the man with the gun Yeah, just be like, oh, so you're shooting pigeons. You help him. He'll be like, yeah Yeah, I'm shooting pigeons. All right. He's like, well, I'll be seeing you buddy. You know, it's like well

That's the thing in and out. I mean, we tell women like shooting pigeons like on that guy sees how I see the people Yeah, this is large pigeons. He gets me. You get out of here. I like the way you I like the cut of your Jab Pigeons, that's what I call them little can't fly pigeons So then he barricades the stairs to make sure nobody can get in but he sees a couple of two families coming up the stairs Try to get to the observation deck and they start looking through the Barricade try to see what's going on. Yeah, I want to go outside some losers

Barred up the door to think he's out there daddy And that's when Whitman put a shotgun through the hole and blasted him in the head and instantly killed him. All right very good And that kid's dead. Yeah, he shot. He shot two kids. He shot. They were a 16 and 18 He shot and killed one and then shot another one who got knocked unconscious He fired the sawdough three more times through the gates He wounded the mother in the head one of the mothers in the head and then he killed Marguerite Lamport with a shot to the chest. Okay, and that's this is when the real killing

He's just all excited this is moment of shine. This is just his moment man And this is his so you think you can dance moment. Yeah, so what does he do here? So he operates the entire time on the old sniper rule one shot one kill, okay? He does not shoot anyone once they fall into the ground after they fall into the ground Leaves and bees like either they're dead or they're not and then he spread his guns all around the entire Watchtower so that he would just go pick up a gun shoot run to the other point of the watch tower Pick up another gun to shoot to the point where that American gladiators game Yes, and then like literally because it when the police showed up. They thought that there was four snipers up

Okay, because he was shooting from all sides of the he was a pro right this I was finally tuned killing machine made by the American government That's right There's nothing I love better than when the beautiful toys of war that we make come back and haunt us Because it's like good work guys. Yeah, you did it Yeah, he's great at it Yeah, you know, it's amazing his first victim was an 18-year-old girl eight months pregnant Yeah, he shot her right through the belly. That's a big thing. Is it two victims or one victim two victims

I think they actually only count if if we're counting two victims. I think it's 13. Okay. I actually know I think he just killed the bait. She lived he just killed the baby. He purposely shot the stomach No good he was huh. Wow. Yeah, and then he shot the boy from when he went to go help her. Oh, I see Baby in utero and this is when he just starts picking people off Shooting guys in the back shooting some people in the arm Right and he's shooting people that are going out to help and some of the people are saying it's like, you know That was the day when you knew one guy said like that was the day That you figure out whether you're a hero or a coward and I'm a coward. Oh, yeah

He's like I didn't I didn't go out to help. I'm not going out. Are you crazy? It's raining bullets No, there was just one story two guys were talking about how they were running through the courtyard bullets were like flying all around him like Grabbing a dude. Thank God another car pulled up in the middle thing I was getting riddled with bullets and they like put it put a body in the back of the car And he died by the time they got away. He only killed one officer And then there was same before Basketball coach from a distance of a quarter mile. How long was all this going on for? Uh

It's just an hour, right? The whole thing Happened. Let's see here. He was shooting off for about 15 minutes. Oh, okay cops I mean that was I mean his first initial shooting people had no idea what the fuck was going on It was one of those he was shooting people from so far away that you just were you just seeing people fall Yeah, it's like what the fuck is happening people's arms are just exploding like you might hear like a But it wasn't people just had no no he was on or where the shots were totally right about the bell tower It was exactly what he needed to be it's the where he needed to be in order to do what he wanted to do Right, but so basically this is also a great story of like when the cops are showing up

The big thing about them is they just have rifles they have guns they have handguns so they can't reach him where he is So they want to call the cops showed up They're like what the fuck do we do and this is just an example of like all of Austin, Texas Was like let's get our guns boys And they all went and got their high-powered deer rifles and came back to the scene and then started pinning Whitman down By shooting at him like all of all of the NRA right came and protected themselves and

Basically because the cops had no communication amongst themselves before they had any sort of like walkie-talkies They three cops independently decided be like well, we're gonna take them out And so they crow they they snuck underneath like they ran him through gunfire to the bell tower And they were saying it's like three different dudes and one civilian got to the bell tower and on different points of the Of the of the building walked it went in different entrances and all showed up on the same floor the floor blur The floor below the the actual observation deck, and they're all like y'all came out of elevators like Pointing guns at each other like almost immediately killing each other and before that I mean how they even brought out an airplane Like they started shooting at the airplane

Yeah, they brought out an airplane with a police sharpshooter in it But the turbulence was just too much and they could never get a shot on him and you know Whitman just start So how did he how did he end up getting taken out? Well three officers went in there their names were Ramiro Martinez Jerry day and the hero of the day Houston McCoy Most affected by to they said because he was a deeply religious man And he was like he was really fucked up by what he had to do. Yeah. Yeah, he absolutely because they were you know

They saw all of these bodies right on their way up. All right So Martinez followed closely by McCoy proceeded north on the east deck while day Followed by crumb preceded west on the south deck with the intention of encircling Whitman trying to get him on both sides Several feet before he reached the southwest corner crumb who was a civilian. All right Accidentally shot his rifle. That happens. Yeah, that'll happen. Yeah, you can't just let Bumbly Crumb in there And he's just like I never shot a goose. You know, I just I got war by I got bells on my Boots bells on his boots. That's my problem. I'll scare all the birds away Yeah, and so when he jumped when Whitman turns to look at crumb one way one of the other guys Martinez

He jumps out of the shadows and shoots at Whitman Six times he empties out his 38 at Whitman misses every single come on You gotta hit him with one of those and gotta be in the clutch You got to and that is when Houston McCoy jumps out and just unloads both barrels of a 12-gauge shotgun Right to the motherfuckers head fit a chest and arms. Oh, all right. Boom dead Houston McCoy Save you're the day and this really introduced the idea of a spree killer to America I mean it's like we had this dark with just the Charles Stark weather and we had other people But this was the first guy to show all of the country his rage

Yeah, and became a poster boy for this and then turn into the post office killings and then turn into what we have now Which is by the time we got to Virginia Tech Whenever tenure check shooting happened. There were four other shootings that week. Yeah at various universities and offices Universities came out became quite a battleground there No, Charles Whitman was the Benjamin Franklin of American crime like this is a guy who's like inventing a new way to do shit Yeah, he was the Michael Jackson Yeah, this is sort of his moonwalk situation Really changed the face of and by the way, they did do the autopsy on his body after he was killed and they found a pretty big

Fucking tumor in a big tumor in the center of his brain. Yeah, it was a tumor Kindergarten cop that movie could have ended much better had Arnold gone up to a small sniper Standing to shot all those kids Maybe I could have actually been a tumor. I think it's a tumor. Yeah, let's yeah, let's go Do America's number one spree killing of all time also took place at a university the University of Virginia Tech Yeah, so show now some show now this guy This is a horrible case This is the thing that's like you can see this type of person happening all over the country

If you if you go to school in America, you see these people all the time It was extremely introverted extremely introverted when they found out what when song show was a child I mean when they found out he was growing up is that he suffered from this thing called selective Mutivism, okay, which is the idea that he which is just being like super super super super super super shy And he only speaks like four people there was a lot of people basically figured that he probably only spoke with He probably spoke like 200 words in his lifetime, right? Like he barely spoke. Yeah, and so basically what happened is that led up until he had a lot of different You know in a lot of different social problems for forever until he got to his senior year of

being at Virginia Tech When in there to be a IT guy and he excelled in that because basically as he got through high school Using medication and therapy. They were like, okay, well, he's breaking them out of his shell And he's like, I don't want I don't want to do I don't want to do this taping no more Mm-hmm. I want to go to his father's like what am I also say this about this That's why I believe that the Hong Kong Henry Zabrowski persona is taking back. It's a friendlier form of the Asian Right, this is an outgoing when I he likes a peeper. He rocks don't talk and be with the people

He has a girlfriend Hong Kong Henry Zabrowski is a girl. Oh, that's a good thing. Oh, I like when she's got the riceberry Riceberry Interesting. Oh, I see rice. The thing is is that Sung Cho's voice is funnier than any voice we could possibly do So this is we're gonna start we're gonna start at the ending Which is the videos that he made after he killed a he killed a girl. Her name was I believe it was Elise Hirsch Elise Hirsch and He killed her and her roommate. There was a lot of speculation. What was her? What is her name?

Hilsher it was Emily Hilsher and he killed her roommate and there's a lot of suspicion for a while that maybe that it was it was because she Was his ex-girlfriend and that is absolutely not true No, because he invented a number of fake personas that he said were like friends of his like Basically, he said that he had a fake girlfriend He told his roommate that he had an imaginary girlfriend who called him. I believe it was snacky We called him as a name snackie snackie Calling himself question mark and class and stuff like that. Yeah, and this was this final impersonation the final character He played like Henry Zabrowski. Uh-huh. He played a character named the axe Ishmael and this was after he killed

uh Emily and her roommate. He made this video to send to NBC I didn't have to do this I could have left I could have fled Good girl I will no longer run It's not for me for my children

For my brothers and sisters the chief I did it again the strong language. You had a hundred billion chances in the ways to have avoided today Which he decided to spill my blood? He forced me into a corner and gave me only one option The decision was yours Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off your sadistic stuff I may be nothing but a piece of You have vandalized my heart break my soul and torched my conscience

You thought it was one pathetic voice like you're extinguishing Thanks to you. I die like Jesus Christ to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people Do you know what it feels like to be spit on your face and have trash shoved on your throat? Do you know what it feels like to dig your own grave? Do you know what it feels like to have your throat smashed from ear to ear? Do you know what it feels like to be torched alive? Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled and peed upon on a cross and left to bleed to death for your This is the kids I played magic with. You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life

Did you want to inject as much misery you know life as you can just because you can You had everything you wanted Your Mercedes wasn't enough your brats your golden necklaces weren't enough you snobs Your trust fund wasn't enough. He grew up enough half a million dollars. All your debauchery is one enough. It was one enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs You've had everything. He's just loves crucifying me You loved inducing cancer in my head terrorizing my heart and ripping my soul all this time when the time came I did it I Had to all right watch I'm happy. He didn't talk very much

That is a man who does not have practice with public speaking. He had a beautiful singing voice Oh, yeah, I had a dream gorgeous now. That's only they knew This is fuck that Susan Boyle story. So basically show on American Idol. That would have been something This is a very similar breakdown to what happened with another all-star Adolf Hitler Was a Basically he went through his whole life never being able to express himself people to ask him questions And they were talking about the interview to his friends in elementary school friends

Go to quote people sat next to him in elementary school, right? They were like he never said a single word But the other everyone else also said it was the thing about him is that he was totally anonymous No one made fun of him like he never he was fine. He was totally fine Nobody bullied him he grew up in a totally normal Korean household Which is just like it's very silent and that they were talking to his elderly grandmother who was sitting in a puddle of spit smoke And like a four-yard long cigarette sure who was like talking she was like being quiet in like Korean culture is like really Respectable right and his dad was also super shy, so they just thought he was fine

And then I mean they just didn't care I mean they care it's just a different type of parenting It's just a real quick side note for those of you I think a lot of Americans know but people outside of the United States if you don't know who's sungcho is he killed 32 people in one day It's a number one. It's a number one spree killing to ever happen in American soil Yeah, number three worldwide, but he was also a little Shakespeare. Can we read his one? Well, I want to just set it up for the fact that like what had happened with him was that he He couldn't express himself could do anything he gets to college right and we're in college We all discover a lot of things about her sir started smoking weed. We had a great time

You know, you know, I don't like sucking a bunch of dicks, you know, I didn't enjoy that freshman. Oh, what are you talking about? So beards are scratch I learned that too. Yeah, I hate the way their balls smell. Whoa. Yeah, then you learn that um So he went and he was gonna be an IT guy and he was doing fine in school like he was never even a great student He was just a terrible student. He was fine. He was whatever and He's an idiot. He finally took a creative writing class. That's right, and he was like this is it He's like I could finally this is it I can sit it's an introverts wave expression Expressing themselves. He's like I can sit in a room. I can write. He's like this is he went home that Christmas is fresh

When you're a Virginia Tech and he's like mom dad. I'm gonna write a romantic novel and they're like sure They'll do great. I guess that's whatever, you know, whatever I do is romantic. So he wrote a bunch of it brought it to the head of the creative writing program at Virginia Tech and she's like This is not you are Not a writer some people have a calling to be a writer and so then he proceeded to write all of this shit I don't know if you also read his poem. Do you want to start with his poem spear me down? Oh, I can start with that Yeah, yeah, I mean I wish God knows it would take 25 minutes

But he wrote this poem in his creative writing class. It's called spare me down heaven. Okay This thing my life all in agony of hell of torture good impression and years of bludgeoning torment not tiny nuisances Thank you The disgust eyes dirty frowns and red fingers pointing at me feeling all the patheticness and humiliation What time is right to abort the null existence and retire from sick lifeblood and yet feelings thwarted by sun's beams ready to attack Averted by smiling faces ready to rape come a wish to annihilate myself If this wasn't true in my plaguing conscious, but Jesus Christ Another day comes tomorrow a shade better than present if I can imagine a day a new like a newborn or an old dying

When nothing is everything and everything is nothing and all is mere shutting of eyelids good Christ Rip me apart tear me to shrivels eat me to help me see a better day's worth and salvage this decaying thing for myself He's better than Morrison That's actually that wasn't that bad. I like really wasn't a new born and old dead It's just very you know It's very he feels very sorry for himself because he finally gonna express himself and now he's just like I'm ready to be a hippie Dippy I'm ready to be with the kids. He's not a cool guy You know, it's very difficult, but that's what he was certain then he started calling himself question mark which would work

You would assume he could probably get some pussy is his professor found him his behavior quote Menacing yes, and then he said he made a Facebook page for his question mark persona Okay, which he said that he lived in room 6 6 6 of the sixth floor of Katharine Hall which they didn't exist there's only five floors of Katharine Hall and everyone's just like and he would talk about his imaginary girlfriend all the time and That they would have started escalating when he would show up in women's rooms with his baseball head on and it's like sunglasses over His face and that's what he started doing where he sort of like hide himself and then he'd like walk into women's room Be like what's up names question mark, and they'd be like

Who are you and then he'd go when he'd like he became his roommate became his confidant And he would like tell him all the stuff and he'd be like bro. That's like not chill man It's not just like no no I went to I went in there I went in there to see if their souls were cool like literally that's what he said to him And he's just like bro. That's not what you do, man You fucking he was going through hang out with them man. He was really going through a bad phase not a cool guy He also did really weird things like he would listen to the song shine by collective soul Over oh, that's the word

Over and over and over and over imagine this just wouldn't listen situation being like just calling your parents He's like yeah, he's a quiet like Asian kid, which is like fine But then he listens to you know this song shine by collective soul that really shitty fucking Question mark which is just like the word fake menacing nickname of all time And then and then he started calling then for the final moments He called himself acts itch mail and there was a lot of debate as to what acts ish mail meant, but it's probably not much It's the sad thing. Let's um, yeah, let's read some of this work in some mass to be Well, the only piece that we'll read for you guys today. It's a little play by the name of Richard McBeath now

This is one of the sadly rejected pieces that that got him to be where he is today in the grave No, it is interesting the Hitler was a failed artist and now of course he this is the equivalent of a Also, I found was it one interesting detail of his crimes is that he Chained up all the doors and there's a lot of talk about how like he may have had a couple of dry runs because they found chains On doors without the campus weeks leading up to it and that he would write He wrote a note and all I'm saying like if you try to open these doors the building will explode Oh, yeah, that was part of what kept people inside. He was very light. He planned this out He did it. Well, you also went to two different gun shops, and he recorded all those videos in two different hotel rooms that he rented

So Richard McBeath cast of characters Richard McBeath stepfather 40 sue mother 40 John son 13 the setting a living room a basement and a car. Oh my he's got the formatting down Yeah, act one scene one it is morning. The sun is shining through the windows of the kitchen John enters the kitchen grabs a cereal bar and opens it Richard McBeath is sitting in the kitchen with his legs crossed reading the newspaper. Hey, John He forces a smile at him. What's up dick? He frowns try dad. You ain't my dad, and you know it you dick John chews on the cereal bar angrily. Come on John sit down

We need to have a man-to-man talk Richard pulls a chair next to him from under the table Man a man up your ass, bud. John sneers then proceeds to the living room and turns on The TV Richard follows him sits down and faces him. I may not be your biological father But I'm your new father. We live under the same roof. We really need to get along come on son Give me a chance Richard gently rests his hand on John's lap. What the hell are you doing? John slaps Richard's hand. What are you a Catholic priest? I will not be molested by an aging balding overweight pedophilic stepdad named dick Get your hands off me you sicko damn. You're you Catholic priest. Just stop it Michael Jackson

Let me guess you have a pet named dick in Neverland Ranch and you want me to go with you to pet him, right? He sighs and ignores the comment What is what does it you want for me? I mean, what do you what do you want me to do? Why are you so angry? Why am I so angry at you because you murdered my father so you could get into my mom's pants now Hold on right there, mister. It was a boating accident. I did everything I could to try to save your father Bullshit Are you always full of shit McBeef? I can see that you are by the extra fat you have packed on You murdered my father and covered it up. You committed a conspiracy

Just like what the government has done to John Lennon and Marilyn Monroe. What what what frowning? He catches a glimpse of an old tabloid titled the cover-up of Marilyn Monroe and John Lennon You once worked for the government as a janitor at least you hated the fact that my mom was with my dad You knew my mom was too good for my father So you took him out and you stole her you son of a bitch No dick You shut the hell up and you listen to me you are you what? You want me to stick this remote control up your ass buddy?

You ain't even worth it man. This remote was five bucks No, that's enough that's enough raises his hand to strike his stepson But before he does John's mom comes down the stairs. Oh my god. What's going on? She covers and hugs John and ushers him to the other end of the couch What are you doing to my son? You said you would have a nice chat to get on terms with him And this is what I catch you do. What kind of stepfather are you pretending to be nice to him with a fake smile on your Chubby face Tell me what were you trying to do to him? You were about to hit him. Damn you Richard

He was I don't want to hear it Sue tells John to go up to his room But he observes the spectacle halfway up the staircase. I I swear Sue I tried talking to him He called me a son. How dare you John would never never say such a thing my poor little poofy poofy boy He lost his father just a month ago show some compassion some stepfather He tried to touch my privates. Holy shit. Oops Sorry John dick you son of a bet she beats it John She approaches Richard and slaps Richard in the head multiple times taking off her shoes. She hits him hard He brushes Sue with his large arm and bill sue sue sue listen to me

The manner and girth frightens her. Oh my god. What are you trying to do? Are you gonna hit me too? She cours and runs into the kitchen. She grabs the first thing she can which is a plate Stay back stay back or I'll she throws the plate shattering squarely on his forehead But he is unmoved. Whoa you fat piece of pork John go to your room and lock it She runs down to the basement. Are you a bisexual cycle rapist murderer? Please stop following me Don't kill me. She throws wrenches and pipes lying on the ground at him, but he is unhurt I didn't even do anything. Okay. I'll stop following you. He stopped with his hands in the air He kneels. She throws a few more heavy objects at him. Let me explain

John is a rambunctious pu-pubescent boy. Oh my god. You are a pedophile. No, no, honey poo. Honey poo Honey poo, don't you believe me? John is just an achieved mischievous kid who's having trouble getting over his father's death He'll get over it. He just needs time. Really? Yes Yes, now. Why do we go to the bedroom and do it doggy style? Yeah, just the way you like it honey poo in his room He smiles and throws darts on the target that is the face of Richard. I hate him Must kill dick must kill dick dick must die kill dick Richard me beef

What kind of name is that? What an asshole name? I don't like it. Look at his face. What an asshole face. I Don't like his face at all You don't think I can kill you dick. You don't think I can kill you gotcha Got one eye Got the other guy He runs down to the basement by his mother's side that fat man murder dad He told me so while you were asleep mom

And he molested me what? She grabs a chainsaw and brandishes it at Richard He runs out of the house and into his car 30 minutes later John goes out to Richard and sits on the passenger side eating a cereal bar. I Wonder why it's so sunny out today is one fruity day John stares squarely at Richard with a contentious look who is sitting with a flushed flame face. Guess what dick? You want to know something you want to know why I don't like you? Because you can't provide for my mom You barely make the minimum wage man. All you do for mom is all that honey poo shit, honey poo, honey poo

You piece of shit You're a janitor one time You're a one-time truck driver You taught preschool kids for two months And now you're what you are what you like to call yourself a chef with the rest of the world calls hamburger flipper Beck where you came from? The pinnacle of your career is when you were a pro football player. How long did that last three weeks? Ha ha You're over the hills buster

Just look at yourself all fat and lazy Only for that only if you were smart enough to stay in the league you wouldn't be like this a former player No wonder your name is Mick pork. I mean McBeef Well the guys were packing on muscles. You were packing on McDonald's fat Chowing down on three Big Macs in three minutes. You wanted me to call you dad. Okay. Hey dad You are such an asshole Asshole of assholes dad And that's for you banging my mom looks like that lasted as long as your pathetic career you prematurely ejaculating piece of dick shit

It sucks for you. You motherfucking McBeef. How dare you talk to your stepfather like that eat this you giant tree trunk piece of ass John sticks his half-eaten banana cereal bar in his stepfather's mouth and attempts to shove it down his throat He pushes John away and takes out the stereo cereal bar. Fuck you dad Out of sheer desecrated hurt and anger Richard lifts his large arms and swings a deadly blow at the 13-year-old boy Afin lights out That is brilliant that shit escalates. He didn't make it. No John does When King believe song chose not a regular Neil Simon. I mean that's the thing it is kind of an interesting script It's an interesting twist. You think John is gonna kill Richard, but Richard kills John

Intriguing yeah, the other and the other one the dude the main dude dies as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, indeed Yeah, he was he always do that. He was a he's a bit of you know the song beautiful loser. Hmm. It's opposite of that ugly loser Well, we've got I mean we've kind of run out of time here, but I mean the guys song chose number three Numbers two and one that's Martin Bryant and Anders break Martin Bryant was the same kind of guys show very quickly Same kind of guys show his mother described him as extremely annoying and aggravating He never had any friends his entire life social workers were just saying like he will never live a normal life You will have to be under his parents cares entire life His only friend as far as we can tell throughout his entire life was a mattress named Mackie

You know just let's not just brush over these guys Let's just I mean we don't have to do a third episode But we can come back to him in a later time because right now we just covered two American college killers So we can I mean unless you just want to because these guys are also great. I mean, yeah, both of these guys I mean, it's they're number one and number two. I feel for a reason. I mean number two. Yeah, Lars Olson. It's who's number one He's doing great. It's Anders breathing. All right. Yeah, he killed 77 Yeah, he's world champion the other ones like Martin Brian and just to give you a little preview for him His the last thing he said before he started shooting people was there sure are a lot of wasps out today

And he was Australian so it's Today, this was the guy who shot that that really created at the historical like park, right? Yeah, it was a tourist attraction and there are conspiracy theories that he was not the actual shooter Yes, don't go to parks and don't go to college and I blame you Australians out there Whoa, and also don't go to camps because that's where Anders Breivik does it did his stay and stay inside stay watch cable Pack on that McDonald's fat. Yeah, get that McPork McBeach. Yeah, because Anders Breivik He is the only one as far as I know that playing dead did not work Yeah, he wasn't he wasn't falling for that old bullshit. No, he was just shooting everybody 90 times

Yeah, all the time in the world. He was in the middle of an eye. He was an island. Yeah, if he didn't see blood He was shooting. Yeah, that's story. Yeah, and he just got done with the tennis championship after getting out of clock making University You have a different idea of what they do in Norway All right Well, that's the story of Whitman and mr. Cho and That needs to be an odd couple that needs to be if you're having my mind mr. Like literally tell someone I'm gonna just you tell somebody tell a lot of people it might be a tumor Don't stop at one tell everybody tell a lot of people about it. Tell them through bullets

No All right move goose deletions how me I'll gain hail Satan and of course hail yourselves everybody. We'll talk to you soon. Goodbye