Last Podcast On The Left - Good Boy: An Interview with Ben Leonberg & Indy

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Henry & Eddie sit down with rising Hollywood heartthrob and star of the new hit horror film Good Boy (In Theaters Oct 3), Indy the Dog joins the show with Owner/Director Ben Leonberg to break down the... role he was born for, the film-making team's biggest inspirations, the cinematic tricks behind the film's unique style, and much, much, more! For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us today, Onside Stories. Now, many people would say, many people, my manager, my family. 30 people. A lot of people might say that when a broadcaster has found himself interviewing a dog, that that would be the low point of their career. Absolutely. But why is it my high point? I got to say, I'm thrilled today to be joined with the wonderful, absolutely, good boy, Dr. Henry, Indiana Jones.
Starting point is 00:00:43 It's so good to have you here. Have you been? How are you enjoying L.A.? Have you gone out to, have you tried the vegan food yet? Have you been to the Chateau? Ooh, you would do great at the Chateau. Have you gone to the chateau? Because honestly, I feel like that's like one of those things where the scene at the chateau would suit you. Yeah, it would really, you would look good there. You would be good there.
Starting point is 00:01:09 And if you wanted to, you can go to the bathroom and call it the chateau. Nothing, huh? Wow. Nothing on that. I do puns. Your father, Ben Leoneberger, directed this film. Do you feel that he in many way sort of, I don't know, because your dog might have skirted around some of the child labor laws.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Yeah. Do you know that Ben is actually... I hate to do this. What? Not your father? Don't do this. No, I mean, but he's not... I mean, obviously, you're a dog, and he's a man,
Starting point is 00:01:44 and you're not his son. Ben is the father that stepped up. Yeah. So how do you feel about your stepfather? So tell me, when you first got this script, how did you choose it? Was it one of those where
Starting point is 00:02:01 like, you know, you've been auditioning for years and you're like, finally, like, this is me, I'm in this film, right? Or is it just because you needed the money? Yeah. And were you not willing to put on the wait for Beethoven? Fucking nothing. Jesus Christ. Nothing, huh?
Starting point is 00:02:20 You know, I don't know whether or not you're being paid by big government to be silenced. Yeah. But you got to understand that Part of your job as an actor is to do promo, okay? Yeah, you got to hit the road, you got to get out there and talk to people about your movie. Or no one's going to go fucking see it. Nobody's going to see it unless you press it.
Starting point is 00:02:44 You know, this is like when we try to have Billy Bob Thornton. Yeah. We had Billy Bob Thornton in one time, and he literally showed up dressed as a French mime, and he didn't speak on, and you wouldn't even know it was Billy Bob Thornton. He also ate his own shit. Yes. which was like to me he said something it was about like he said human composting yeah he said that was his new diet or whatever
Starting point is 00:03:03 have you ever met Billy Bob hmm I'm just wow I just wonder if the silence has anything to do with some of those recent are you in the Pupstein files are you in the Pupstein files are you in the Pupstein files answer us where is it did you take
Starting point is 00:03:21 Pupstein's plane were you on dog Lolita one Because it's legal for you. There is no age of consent. Dogs get pregnant before they're one. Yeah. So it's not even that big of a deal. Now, now that you're like, you're an actor, do you still believe in money over bitches?
Starting point is 00:03:45 Yeah, now that you can get anything you want, any kind of treat that you want, any kind of, you know, you can get heart guard sent to the house. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, what was your first expenditure? Yeah, I get being shy Yeah He wants to appear Like you know what it is I get in a way
Starting point is 00:04:03 That he wants to appear like He's still one of us I'm sure I'm sure Dude now are you in SAG Or wag Wow Non-union
Starting point is 00:04:13 Wow We're gonna talk about that with Ben Non-union That's a boo That is not a good look That is a big no-no in this town dude Not a good look That is a big
Starting point is 00:04:22 No-N-N-Sat for that Post Oh actually No they shot in Montana Oh, so they don't care. Interesting. Montana doesn't care. They just hoard water there.
Starting point is 00:04:32 They do hoard water. Well, if you're not going to answer our hardcore questions, I don't know what you're going to do when you go on access Hollywood after us. Yeah. I can't believe that good boy is a bad dog. You're a bad dog. Bad dog. Bad boy. Bad boy.
Starting point is 00:04:51 I don't like being around you. You're ugly. Don't do that. No, it's not true. You know it's not true. He's very attractive. He's the handsomest person in this room. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:02 God, I bet you get all the bitches. All right, let's try to talk to his fucking father. It's not his father. He's not your father. Live from your grave. Now, your lead actor was a bit difficult at the top of the interview. Yeah, what up with that? Yeah, I mean, he refused to read a script for the entire duration of the shoot.
Starting point is 00:05:24 He really doesn't understand that he's in a movie. I cannot say that. that enough. It's like him, Gary Busey, when did the second chances start? You know what I mean? Like, how often are we going to do this? These guys that don't understand you can't pee in front of everybody.
Starting point is 00:05:40 The trick is figuring out how to make a movie around them. Genuinely, that's what it takes is that Indy doesn't understand he's in a movie, so you have to... I thought we're still talking about Gary Buccy. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, that might be how it works. Yeah. You're like, here, Gary. I'll say... Here, Gary, here's
Starting point is 00:05:55 tennis ball, Gary. Over here. Aim the choppers over here. We are sitting with the director of Good Boy, Ben Leonberg. This is a, I will say, you have made a truly, it's like it's a monument to filmmaking. It really is. I'm pretty sure it's the first time this has happened. There's been a few films that are centered on dogs. There's a film, a French film called Baxter that is about a...
Starting point is 00:06:20 Leibud. Yeah, well, yeah, or Scarebud. That's the other one I've heard. Um, no, but like, I think having a dog be the center of a movie and be a point of view character, I think, you know, this is, the way we did it is certainly unusual. Well, because normally, like, I remember, like, the horrific stories about Milo and Otis where they burn through like eight pugs. Yes. They were just throwing pugs in the river and then just shooting it. Why didn't you go that way?
Starting point is 00:06:48 Well, uh, uh, uh, Indy is my dog. So, uh, yeah. And he's the only dog. that strategy of like you have multiple dogs play the same character, which is genuinely impressive. I mean, you joke about Airbud, but I watched that movie a lot trying to like figure out what did they do. There's certainly things we can't do. We don't have Disney money to make this film. But there's shots in that movie where there's six different golden retrievers playing the same dog in the same shot. It's kind of like incredible. It's very
Starting point is 00:07:17 impressive. Now the was like, did you have to worry about like the Humane Society or anything like Like, when the movie came out, we're like, did you have to, like, prove that you didn't do anything wrong? I mean, we did. Obviously, you didn't, but. Well, we did all of Indies training ourselves, and I think there's been, like, an enormous amount of interest in the question of not even Indy, how we made the movie is just, does his character make it through the film? Does the Dog Die? There's a whole website dedicated to this. And we've been trending there.
Starting point is 00:07:45 But, no, I mean, we did all of Indies training ourselves. And I think that's part of why the film seems so unique. it was certainly not a normal production and I think that's why his performance stands out this is not a dog who's clearly acting for treats or for a tennis ball that's just off camera yeah we just saw an example of it as our I don't know if you noticed the beginning of this interview was set up right
Starting point is 00:08:07 we did it like a funny thing I know I know bad boy but we got a little taste of what the process was like filming with Indy and to be honest it was kind of like it was really just genuine like but you could that it definitely, you really have to be patient and in love with the dog. Yes. Yeah, for sure. People ask, like, you know, how our relationship
Starting point is 00:08:28 to indie changed over the course of the film. I don't think we could love indie anymore. And, you know, it was just me and my wife on set for the entire duration of the film, figuring out how to make this movie around him. So all those little tricks of how can we get something
Starting point is 00:08:44 from him that when put into the juxtaposition of all the other shots will look like a performance. So it was kind of of like we were joking about the idea that it was like boyhood or one of those things good boyhood yeah good boyhood where you guys are just capturing it when you can
Starting point is 00:08:59 yeah so indie he's not a traditionally trained dog actor which I'm not even sure what that really means you can almost tell in a way it's kind of like you know when you got like a kid that they just pull off the street who ends up being an amazing actor versus like what they do to
Starting point is 00:09:15 children in the entertainment mill there's like there's something deeply more vulnerable about Indy's performance in this movie than other animal performances. Yeah, I mean, he can only be himself. So at times, you know, I think his two superpowers, or at least that you see in the film, the way we made it, is that he's genuine, he's himself. He has this relationship with the human character, Todd, who I stand in as Todd's body. An actor does the performance a la like Darth Vader, like Jamesville Jones, giving the voice to
Starting point is 00:09:47 Darth Vader. To be very clear, Shane Jensen, who plays Todd, plays Todd. I'm on camera talking to Indy, which are in lines that are not the movie. But when I say the superpower we have is that, you know, there's scenes of genuine love and affection between Todd and Indy, which are real because Indy really loves me, and he's my actual dog. Yeah. So that's, yeah. I'm so cute. It's like when they put, what's his name, with Sidney Sweeney and then they start an affair. You know what I mean? Like they put him in with a Glenn Powell. Like it's one of those things, like, the chemistry is real. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Exactly. That's so fun. It's just so, well, obviously, we were talking to right before, anybody who has a dog kind of, like, you've experienced this, the dog's barking at nothing, it creeps you out, you stone late at night, what the hell? How does such a relatable idea, like, in that term, like, what made you finally decide I'm going to make this movie? I mean, it came from exactly what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:10:47 I think we've all wondered or worried why our dog is barking or staring at nothing. Turns out in my house, it was rats. Wait, probably usually is. Froggers? Like people living in the wall. Froggers, I love that. Have you ever knew that term? No, I just, I'm very familiar with the idea that people could be living inside your house.
Starting point is 00:11:06 But, no, that's a new one. Yeah, yeah. Put that in a little fear file. Yeah, that's great. It'll be your next movie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that actually, if a dog found out. there were people living inside your house and those people were being you know treating the dog just
Starting point is 00:11:21 fine yeah that's a that's an interesting point of view dog story it really is just like a talk about yeah yeah oh yeah yeah insane yeah well yeah continue yeah so like but why was this the one like because you've made a lot of short films indeed i made a lot of short films i mean even that was part of the process of figuring out how i was going to make this movie we made several shorts kind of just exploring that idea of a dog staring at nothing uh i think like the single you know most origin story idea i have is watching poltergeist for probably the millionth time if you remember there's a golden retriever wandering through the house um clearly on to that you know a haunting is about to start before the humans get the idea which is just a cinematic version of that anxiety we all have about why is our dog
Starting point is 00:12:02 staring at nothing yeah figuring out how to actually do it you know we have the idea but then what does that what does that script even look like because it's not driven by dialogue or even the same kind of action that you know propels a normal script yeah so what i first started doing was making these short films that were originally just based on existing scenes. I recreated the room 237 scene with Danny from The Shining of a ball rolls up and then Danny looks up, goes to investigate the room, the doors open. I shot a version of that in my backyard in Queens with Indy where I was just trying to figure out how does that filmmaking work?
Starting point is 00:12:37 How do you match the eye line? How do you get the camera to tell the story through shots with this very otherwise neutral character. We kept making these shorts where I was learning how to make a film around Indy, because again, he really does not know he's in a film. One of them, which was based on a scene you see in the film, one of our jump scares, won a short film contest, Indy was nominated for Best Actor, which against other humans, which is a tough beat.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Hey, you know, what are you going to do? You know, I've been beaten by a lot of different things. Honestly, I'd prefer to be beaten by a dog. Hey, Joni Foster is nominated for Nell, you know. There you go. She was braided Nell. Yeah. Well, she didn't speak.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Nope. But anyway, that really, you know, that kind of forced our hand. Once, you know, people are calling out Indy's dog acting as a reason to watch this thing, we were like, well, we need to work with this particular dog. Yeah. And by then, we'd kind of figured out what our story was going to be, how we were going to take the classic haunted house trope and spin it into a full feature. It's very emotionally intense. Yeah. I mean, I think it was funny.
Starting point is 00:13:42 because I work with a co-writer throughout the whole film, Alex Cannon, and we were always trying to thread the needle of, this is a horror movie first. We didn't need to do a lot to kind of play on people's emotions. People bring that to the film themselves. Indies like that. Indies like a Zendaya. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Indies bringing that thing where people are ready to cry. Like, I'm afraid to show this movie to my wife. Because of how emotionally, like, overwhelmed she's going to be just watching the dog. And nothing bad happens to the dog I mean it Nothing bad happens to the dog You're supposed to say spoiler first We all no one wants anything bad to happen to the dog
Starting point is 00:14:19 Yeah Right universally Yes no one wants anything bad happen to the dog There are comments which I'm very glad You know Look people are watching the trailer saying If anything bad happens to the dog I'm going to go John Wick on the director
Starting point is 00:14:30 So I'm very aware of like The personal risks here In the filmmaking That was like the one thing I had to promise Natalie being like I just want you to understand And there is no, hmm, how do I put this, man with a soul or conscious that would make the dog film starring the dog that would then murder the dog? Although I've just become aware that people are still scarred by Marley and Me.
Starting point is 00:14:55 Oh, dude, that movie is fucked up. There's people, I mean, who are like, I'm not so sure I can see Good Boy because Marley and me killed the dog, which is just based on a true story. Dude, they kill that dog over and over again. That dog gets killed. It's like electrocuted to just like all. It's like, what about Bob with the dog? And we're like, no one wants to see this. Was that the movie about, like, the dog dies a bunch of times?
Starting point is 00:15:18 And its soul keeps going back to the guy. That's a dog's life. That's a dog's life. Yeah, you got confused. Marley and me is the other one. No, yeah, dog's life is the one where the dog gets shot at the head. Yeah, the other one gets thrown into a threshing machine. But the soul finds another.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Oh, that's a great question for you. Do you think a dog has a soul? I mean. Well, wow. I've never put it that way. I mean, people have asked, do all dogs go to heaven? I mean, certainly. I mean, I think dogs are better people than most people.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Yes, for sure. So, I don't know if that answers your question. But, yes, I mean, dogs are wonderful. Do you believe in ghosts? Man, I don't know. I don't think so. I'm just curious. No, I feel like my brain says no, but my heart says yes.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Yeah, yeah, I feel that. Which, I don't know what to make sense of. that but it's because life would be cooler if it was true yes it'd be much better if ghosts were real and many other things were real but uh yeah yeah it would so if ghosts are real then dog ghosts can be real right yeah that's cool I'd love to get haunted by a bunch of dogs yeah of course you would yeah I mean you're already trying you have an 18 year old dog yeah you have a dog ghost I have an octogenarian dog at home yeah who's seen a lot of death yeah also. It's outlived three dogs
Starting point is 00:16:42 and two humans. Have you noticed your dog noticing anything that you can't explain? A dog doesn't notice anything. Okay. I can barely get it to eat. Yeah. It's very crazy. It continues to live. When you're making this, so now, but I guess it's nice because you're getting a lot of, like,
Starting point is 00:16:58 attention, people are ready for the movie. But you started, like, you're a film teacher. Yeah, so when I'm not making films. This is like, what an incredible, like, I'm a player coach. but like talk about a way for even like now your students like obviously you get to be like peace peace school i mean no you mean who knows what with your future world but but the idea of like
Starting point is 00:17:21 what an incredible way to exhibit storytelling with images yeah yeah totally i mean look and it works really well with the kind of films that i use for teaching and this film which i i certainly love films that are driven by dialogue but i teach directing using uh psycho as like we're just going to be talking about Psycho a ton. You know, how does the shot progression and, you know, the framing and the small little changes of blocking, how does that ratchet tension? That's exactly what I'm applying to Good Boy. So much of the performance isn't coming from Indy, who I cannot say enough, does not know he's
Starting point is 00:17:56 in a movie. He doesn't. He's looking for tennis balls. I love the cheese psycho because Gus Van Zanz is a genius. Yes, absolutely. My favorite film. My favorite film, Gus Van Zand Psycho. So you know what's kind of funny, though, is that, I mean, so that's a shot for shot
Starting point is 00:18:10 remake that I don't think, you know, it does not iterate a lot. There are entire sequences of Good Boy that are homages or in some cases shot for shot remake of existing setups, jump scares, you know, tension building sequences. Can you give us an example or you don't want to? Well, I can, but I almost like want people to find them. Yeah. And I will say, because I had to film it with a dog, just taking that blueprint, indie as a new ingredient, changes it so much. Oh, yeah. But there are sequences where I'm definitely pulling from, This worked before with humans. Let's add dog.
Starting point is 00:18:42 And what you get is so different just because he's an enormous X factor. I'm pointing to him like he's here. The truth is that it's like having one of those, it's like it's truly the difference between like a movie star and just some actor. You know what I mean? I've been watching nothing but Criterion movies recently. It's ruining me. Yeah, I should stop. I don't see Good Boy getting on Criterion.
Starting point is 00:19:05 They got the donkey movie on there. But I mean it. But like in terms of that there's a distinct line. that runs between Good Boy and what you did and a lot of those movies which is those movies remember the old movies remember that there was something about
Starting point is 00:19:20 storytelling in and of itself that you can tell what's going on even if it was silent you can kind of feel what's going on you know what's happening it's not necessarily it's like the dialogue helps but there's something about people
Starting point is 00:19:35 who can just emote like Humphrey Bogart said like 12 words of movie, but himself stood for so much, where, like, you look at, like, indie, because it's not a dog actor, because it's looking at you with genuine love, but doing the thing that a real movie star does. Well, and the other thing I've realized, especially about movie stars, Humphrey Barger's a great example for this, because you're right, he stands for something, and we just kind of, he brings himself or his character to the movie, but then also, he doesn't necessarily do a lot in
Starting point is 00:20:06 the movie. Nothing. And we project ourselves onto him. And I think that's so much, like, we got a question all the time. How did you get Indy to look scared? And we didn't. We didn't get him to do anything. He's just standing there with a neutral expression.
Starting point is 00:20:19 I'll go into film Professor Mode again. Please. Which is, do you guys know the cool Shav effect? No. All right. So there's a classic example from silent film where we're seeing a shot of a man's face, who at the time was like a matinee star from like Russian theater. And it's just a shot of this guy's face.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Then we see a shot of a bowl of soup. And audiences say, well, that guy's. must be hungry. If you show the same shot of that guy's face and then a shot of a coffin, uh, everyone's like, well, that guy must be sad. The performance and the emotion is coming through the edit and the audience putting two and two together. So in our movie, you've a shot of a dog looking past the camera very intently. Then you show a dark, empty corner. And the audience says there, there's something there, uh, because they know they have their own relationship with dogs and dogs how they work in movies. And they're saying that dog must be terror. And they're saying that dog must be
Starting point is 00:21:09 terrified. He's not. He's just being himself, probably reacting to me or my wife going blah blah blah blah off camera and the filmmaking is telling you how to feel. That's just, I mean that it's like torn down to its very basic parts. I like what you're saying
Starting point is 00:21:25 but the flaw is that when I'm hungry I'm sad. You see, yeah, yeah, yeah, when I'm scared I'm angry. Yes. Yeah, yeah, but that's different. Again, that's for therapy. Dude, it was so cool watching that movie. I had a beautiful, it was beautiful. It was beautiful. I loved everything you did
Starting point is 00:21:41 and I gotta say the one thing I kept being like how was he able to yell at the dog like I was just like how were you able to because I you know I feel so bad whenever I yell at my dog you know it like it makes me see my dogs are so used to my
Starting point is 00:21:57 to me that they don't even respond yeah I mean the truth is we don't yell at him is we replace the voice afterwards so there's a scene where the main character you know as indie is detecting more and more of the paranormal and something bad is going on with his human companion the relationship almost phrase and there are scenes of you know drama and intensity between the two what's happening actually on set is i who
Starting point is 00:22:21 am standing in for the person i'm like good boy and moving him around and then an actor and i would say this is like i mean so much credit to shane jensen who really plays todd then adds the performance and you know the tension and the drama through this vocal performance with both has to fit into the scene and has to like feel like it needs to be a good performance yeah yeah but it also has to match the physicality of what i'm doing which is not that so it was like we had to have them do versions of lines where it's like do this line okay you've got it but now do it like you're laying in a bed and are slightly setting up because when i did it i had to move to like tell indy like whoa whoa like and you have to put those words into that body and chest that's so it was so
Starting point is 00:23:07 like, I mean, that's how they just did the toxic Avenger. Is that right? Well, that was the whole thing where they, I made it I think it's a, I think Peter Denglish found a way to not be in makeup all the time, but they said they held up the traditional way. The Toxic Avenger was made originally
Starting point is 00:23:23 where Toxic Avenger was in costume and someone voice acted it on top of it and that's where Peter Dichlidge was like, no, you see, it's traditional. And then they put somebody else inside of all the deep gunk and then he just did the voice. on top of it, which makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:40 That you can see that this is a, you've done it. I mean, we've done a version of that, which is that. So, Todd is mostly played by my body, which sounds like a very dissociative way to explain how the film was made in my relationship to the character. It makes sense when you see the movie because it's from the perspective of the dog. Totally, yeah. And I mean, just by virtue of the camera being 19 inches off the ground, because that's how tall he is. It's muppie babies.
Starting point is 00:24:02 I love that you got the Muppet Babies. Some people say Charlie Brown, but yes, it's... I was at Looney Tunes is how I saw it. It was like, yeah, it's just like usually just the legs and stuff like that. Yeah. Totally, yeah. Which also gave us the ability to my wife, the film's producer, who is not a producer, was not a producer before this film started to be made. She's a scientist.
Starting point is 00:24:21 But. Oh, shit. Turns out you can teach a scientist how to make films a lot easier than a filmmaker, how to science. Yes. I'm just going to say this. It's, we like to act like a super mysterious process. Oh, oh my gosh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:35 All us left brain people, you know, look, we can do this, but they can do this and that. And they can just show up and then just do your entire job and their entire job. It's kind of crazy anyway. So what I'll say is, where I can only do this, you know? So she occasionally stands in for Todd as well, which if you watch the movie closely, you will notice a few times Todd's jeans don't fit exactly correctly, which is because. I'm there to her legs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:00 No, but the thing you're saying about, you know, you know, so. A left brain, right plane split. Some of the best ideas in the movie also came from her just over the duration of making the film. One of my favorite jump scares, which I just couldn't quite figure out, she came up with just having watched me make the movie for several years, was like, what if we did it this way? And I was like, yeah, it's totally going to work. And it's one of the best jump scares in the movie. See, it's just one of those. I also wonder, too, are you guys movie heads?
Starting point is 00:25:29 Yes. I mean, he is, of course. For sure. But I feel like it's one of those where most, I feel like, how do you feel like, how do you feel? about the idea of many of our big legendary famous filmmaker icons didn't have film school and then the beginning of it was like in the 70s that's when the film school thing really kind of started right for sure of those connections like do you feel like what's the distinct difference between self-led i watch a shit ton of movies education versus at a school
Starting point is 00:26:01 I mean, I think it can, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. I think you have to see a lot of movies to, I don't, I think it's possible to be a good filmmaker without going to film school for sure, but I don't know how good at filmmaking you can be if you just have not consumed tons of movies. Well, it feels like that's what we're in the middle of right now. Yeah, totally. In the middle of a lot of people that are making movies that have never, they don't watch. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:26 And it doesn't necessarily have to be movies. I mean, it's story in general. I mean, it's, you know, stories, I mean, people are bringing influences from video games into, you know, movies and making things that we haven't seen before. So I think you have to consume lots of story one way or the other. It just feels like a prerequisite to me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:44 Like, do you feel like you, do you, or are you one of those where you judge movies by, like, the perfect screenplay? Like, like, how do you feel about those? Like, how do you feel like about those movies that break all those rules? And I think breaking the rules, I feel like as soon as someone can. write a rule about here's how a movie is supposed to work. The moment you've figured out that can be put into a YouTube video essay or into a book, the rule is probably no longer true. Yeah. And I think like, I mean, my favorite films are the ones that break the rules. Janet Lee
Starting point is 00:27:12 should not die in the middle of Psycho. That's a sin according to like every screenwriting book at the time. But it's the reason that movie, one of the many reasons, that movie is awesome. The thing I like to talk about in terms of, you know, the screenplay guidance books as it applies to good boy, have you heard of Save the Cat? Oh, yes. So Save the Cat. Explain it to me. So Save the Cat is the idea that to make an audience love your hero, you need to have
Starting point is 00:27:37 your hero do something akin to saving a cat in the first like 10 minutes. Okay. Yeah, you got to see his true, see the hero's good spirit and good soul of the very beginning. Even if they're kind of like a shitty guy. Exactly. You have to like see a thing in them that makes them great. Yeah, something like saving a cat. There's an enormous exception to that rule, which is if you make a movie with a dog,
Starting point is 00:27:56 the audit you do not need to have them save a cat the way this film starts in some of the film festival we've been to first frame is a dog asleep on a couch and the audience goes aw yeah they're already on his side yeah we don't need to save the cat there's 20 minutes of movie we just don't need let's just start dude and honestly it works yeah it's an hour 13 minutes long was it 79 minutes 70 just under 74 minutes
Starting point is 00:28:20 it is perfect amount because we don't need it there's no human drama I want it all to be dogs yeah I want it all to be dogs yeah I want every film to be made with just dog casts. Yeah, when's the album coming out? I mean, Christmas album, of course. Right, oh, his Christmas album? Yeah, exactly. Honestly, I feel like he might
Starting point is 00:28:38 it might get honestly kind of too expensive for you. Yeah. Henry, do you think there's room run the podcast network for him? Yes. How does he feel about politics? Politics, please. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, he's blissfully ignorant
Starting point is 00:28:56 of the fact he was in a movie or anything that's going on in the world. What an incredible life he gets the lead. Man, this was so friggin' cool. So this comes out October 1st, correct? October 3rd, Friday. October 3rd, VOD and theater. Theatrical. VOD to be announced.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Dude, that's fucking awesome. And everywhere, right? Or a bunch of places? Yeah, it's opening wide. So the trailer was so well received. They moved us from a limited to a wide release. So hopefully in a theory. It's going to be at some AMCs.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Yeah, it should be in a theater near you. Dude, I legitimately, like, I'll confess, I watched the first half an hour, and I stopped it because I want to see it on a big screen. Oh, amazing. I got to see it because the, it's so well lit, it's so well, like the, it's like, you're doing the thing where I, I guess it's like, it's not that I saw what you were doing, but it was like, oh, yeah, this is like, this is a pure, like, it's stripped down all the way down to its parts. It's just a pure-ass beautiful movie that tells a really strong, simple story with imagery. And I was like, I got to see this in theater. Yeah. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Was this your COVID movie? Like, did you make this during COVID? Oh, man, what a great call. The answer is, yes, that's how we started. We'd originally been thinking we'd make it with a larger, you know, cast and crew. Yeah. And the pandemic kind of forced our hand that we could, I mean, for practical reasons, which ended up being necessities that had nothing to do with COVID, the best way to make
Starting point is 00:30:23 this movie was just with me, my wife, and Indy. The house you see in the movie is where we actually lived. We decorated it to look like a haunted house. I would spend the day setting up the lights, the camera, rigging whatever special effects were going to happen. Sun goes down. We roll the camera. Sometimes I would roll and then run in front of the camera to act in it, which is not a way
Starting point is 00:30:46 you should really make a movie, but it's the right way to make a movie with a dog. And it worked with the resources we had. That's fucking awesome. I've seen a lot. There's a lot of COVID movies that are starting to show up now. And, like, I got to say, it's like the first one I'm really enjoyed. Yeah, War of the World of the World's with Ice Cube.
Starting point is 00:30:59 If you want to get an education and how to make a movie, man, that movie is, I have never, to be honest, it's been a long time since I've seen a movie that's so bad that it's so deeply, utterly entertaining. War the Worlds is that movie. I refuse to watch it. I saw a good boy. I'm going to go see it again in the theater.
Starting point is 00:31:19 I appreciate the hell out of everything you guys did. It was beautiful. Also, the other dog was, who's that, like, your friend's dog? It's my parents' dog, yeah. Your parents' dog? Yep, yeah. So, Indy, and his name is Max. He plays Bandit in the film.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Max wasn't born when I started making the movie, so he had the name of a different dog. But Indy gets to be himself. He's indie, the character, and the dog in reality. Well, I think that he's got a bit of an attitude problem. You guys are going to have to work on that. But otherwise, it seems lovely. It seems really, it seems like a really wonderful time. you guys. And honestly, go check out.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Good boy. Thank you. Also, you're local theater. Not just that. Just support you know, like low budget horror movies as much as you can. If you go and see this movie in the theater, then more movies like this will be made because that's what the world needs right now. And Indy needs, honestly,
Starting point is 00:32:11 a fund. He needs treats. Yeah. That's what this is for, I know. I know the money mostly goes to me. I want, next time I see Indy, I want a Gucci leash. I want a studded collar. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Half his head shaved. He's now all of a sudden He's the new fashion consultant
Starting point is 00:32:26 For like Gucci or something Yeah You know like a Jaden Smith Think Jaden Smith Yes Yeah Yeah I mean look like Is Indie fixed
Starting point is 00:32:36 Uh yes All right so all you girls dogs out there You could just let Indie go and go and go It's just nice because then it keeps her from getting cancelled Right Right Yeah that's huge right now honestly It's huge
Starting point is 00:32:48 It's uh You know as long as it took to make this movie I don't know how many other films can be made on his schedule, but he's ready to sell out to the right, you know, you know, dog food Super Bowl commercials. You guys hear that? Yeah. You hear that, Purina?
Starting point is 00:33:02 All right. Ben Leonberg, director of good boy. Thank you, guys. Thank you. This is a blast. Thank you so much. That was awesome. Oh, yeah, man.

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