Last Podcast On The Left - Last Update on the Left - Episode 10 - Amityville Reloaded

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

The boys return for another update, this week focusing on the classic true crime / paranormal tale The Amityville Horror... A little over 50 years ago SOMETHING EVIL happened on Ocean Avenue in Amityville, Long Island, so we're breaking down the many rumors surrounding the story, the cinematic history of The Amityville Horror, and much, much more... For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Live on your glade. That's when the cannibalism started. Last update on the left. Oh, yeah! Honestly, if I came for money, I think everyone would know. I let the rings do the talking. Yeah, jangle, jangles. Sorry.

Sorry, my bracelet cut your daughter. Shouldn't be trying to get past me in the Starbucks. like, is my bracelet. I don't care. I don't care. I can make coffee at home, I'm sure.

Better coffee than this because of my one million dollar coffee machine. But unfortunately, no, I'm here amongst the villagers. Welcome to last...

Welcome to last update on the left on Marcus Parks with the... Nepo, baby, Henry Zabrasky. Yeah, just me, Sidney,

Sweeney, hanging out with old-fashioned Paris Hilton and Kirk Douglas. Yeah, you're just sitting there on all your, that Wacken Hut money. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you're just sitting there.

Oh, man, you guys have no idea what kind of inheritance you can get off of NYPD pension. Yep. That's almost that bad. No, no, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Jersey Cups, pension's pretty good.

It's fine, but, I mean, at least I know thanks to my mom, she says, don't worry, a funeral's a paid full. It's a great. And we're here with that. Larson, who, as I understand, paid for his mother's funeral. And my father's. Wow. You're like an executive producer. It was that your mother's funeral was the funniest funeral I've ever attended.

Thank you. It was a good one. I had some jokes. You know, we had some moves, had a good time. Passed out some Reese's but peanut butter cups. It was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, really, honestly, it was a really good show.

Yeah, bro, it was an awesome fucking funeral. It really was the best one I've ever been to. Yeah, it really was. You threw a great funeral. Lots of pizza and shit. I can't wait to you get to do another one. And I can't wait until I get to do yours. You wait.

There's going to be some people diet soon. I'm really excited. Really getting into the year. Yeah. I'm ready for 2024. Yeah. In June? I'm ready.

Get me out there. I got started at the gym. Nice. Yeah. Well, today, the subject that we are. revisiting. And this is, I wouldn't necessarily say that this is an update. I would say that another way to refer to this show is not just last update on the left, but last expansion on the left. Interesting. I love to playfully expand things with my friends. Yes.

Well, also you're explaining it to me. So that's good. Well, yes, we're also explaining all of this stuff. Much of this stuff is brand new to Ed. So, you know, we're bringing them in. But yeah, this is, it's kind of a lot like how on No Dogs will do like kind of Coda episodes to series where, you know, because they'll be cool things that, you know, we'll have to cut out. Like, for example, like, one of the cool things that we're having, I think we might have to cut out of Cannes is that the lead singer of Cannes was also in a German production of hair with Donna Summer. Whoa. And Donna Summer's first ever single was a German version of the Age of Aquarius called Das Vossaman, which translates literally to the Waterman. That's incredible.

It's the, it's a fucking dude. In this version, it's so fucking good. It's Donna Summer. It's like a decade before I feel love. What? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's really, I mean, it's fucking incredible.

That's actually, if we, I make it a little bit more into that. You already here. Right here. You have jumped into the thing you were cutting from no dogs and you're putting it on to this show. It has less to do it. And we're going to have to cut this. Probably this time from this episode.

No, this is just something that is a little bit. We're just going to give you a little bit of a bit, a bit, a bit. A freebie, yeah. It's already for. I will say no dogs is free We have her podcasts You can get them That's right

Donna Summer Her name actually comes Because she Or the name Summer Comes from the German man That she married Because she lived in Germany For like many many many years

She married a man named Solmer And when her first single Was released It was misprinted as Summer And so she figured That sounds a lot better That looks a lot better And so she was Donna Summer from then on

Oh wow I just thought it was because she was hot So was she shot in the head by Ronnie Defeo? No, but it's very possible that right before Ronnie Defeo killed his entire family, he may have been listening to I feel love.

He may have been listening to Donna Summer. He could have been on at the bar when he went and said, oh my God, my family, I almost defecated myself. I love Donna Summer, though. I love Donna Summer's incredible. Yeah, what's not the love? Yeah, well, okay, so let's go through,

why don't we, like, how do you all want to this? Do we want to just kind of go through? The Amityville? A quick overview. Because when we were, surprisingly enough, I've never even seen the movie. Whoa, you've never seen the Amityville horror? It's like the one, like, classic horror movie I've never seen. It's wonderful.

You should really watch it. It's one of the best haunted house movies ever. I'll actually say, I think it's a little overrated. I like it. I'm better at this. Wow. I like it. I think it's good.

Well, just didn't you know, when we covered the Amityville horror back in the day, when we started realizing as we researched, because just so you, you just to catch you up on before we catch Eddie up is that when we did that series partially it was we were at the time totally convinced that it was one of the most legit hauntings of all time because that's all we had ever heard we'd heard it from the news we'd heard it from her parents we had heard from her kids friends it was and threw out all of pop culture that the look of that house with the two eyes that look like the two windows that look like eyes it haunted entire generations and then generations after and

we thought like oh this will be great because we're always always looking for good, meaty, paranormal stories to tell on the show. And it was, for us, a very significant story because it was probably one of the first times that we popped open the guts of a story and we realized, like, oh, it's actually not about the haunting at all. It's about the true crime story that's at the center of this. Yeah, yeah. Nothing scarier than real estate.

Hey. Editunes.com. But yeah, we did. Really did. Like, I actually remember, like, starting to look into this story. and being like flabbergasted that the whole thing was kind of a hoax on the part of the Lutz's. I mean, not necessarily a hoax, but rather was blown out so much by the Lutz's and how this had kind of been common knowledge for many years. But, you know, that's one of the things that we sort of find on last podcast again and again is that the myth often persists so much longer than the truth.

But, you know, one myth turns into another, turns into another. and before you know what everyone thinks Ed Gein's a cannibal when he's not. Whoa. Yeah. So to give you a little bit of an overview of what happened before the Lutz has moved in, the story that the Lutz is built upon was the murder perpetrated by Ronnie Butch DeFayo. I love a butch. Yeah.

I'm an uncle Butch. How was he? Stead. No, I mean, when he was a lot, how was he? He was a lesbian. He was honestly, Lusch. I loved him. Yeah.

I loved him. He was great. Super fun. He was giving me a lot of money. Oh, Christmas. Yeah, yeah. That's good.

He was in the, he was in the sanitation department management. Good money. Did that mean, does that mean that he got, like, some fun shit off of the sidewalk? Yes, he always had free weird shit. Like what? He had a big flat screen TV that he fixed. I always remember that. I always, like, he gave us toys that he got out of the dump.

That's great. It was awesome. It was all fixed. Yeah, he went and he got fixed. Yeah, he got stuff. He got stuff out of the dump. He fixed it up. Yeah.

But also, largely, he was in management. By the time he got to management, you make good money. You make like six figures, especially back in the 80s. That was good money. Especially when you hide bodies. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's nothing wrong with the New York City Sanitation Department. I think that's what an efficient system.

Well, speaking of bodies, at 6.30 p.m. on November 13, 1974, the patrons of Henry's bar in Amityville, New York were alerted to Ronnie Butch de Fayo Jr. yelling, you got to Help me. I think my mom and dad was shot. It's still one of my favorite actouts I got to do of him coming in and fighting all the men. Because when we did the original series and he comes in being like, you got to help me. And then it was like all the guys trying to help him park. And there's all the Long Island idiots. Long Island is a special, special, dumb place.

You know, Rob. I love Long Island. Long Island, for me, from being from Queens, Long Island was like the Hamptons. Yeah. To me, Long Island was. But my absence are in Long Island. Technically, I know. Don't tell them.

Don't tell people in the Hamptons. Actually, being Carolina, like, when we finally bought a car, like, after COVID, we would go out to Long Island because that's what the good grocery stores are. That's what's fancy. That's where it was. Yeah. But now I know it was not. Now I know it was just a working class neighborhood.

Yeah, very much. We thought that was a correction I'll give immediately. We said the Amityville House was in an affluent neighborhood. And I think that was because we were really, really, really broke. Yeah. Did the episode. And now we're not as broke. I went in, expensive house.

It was. Bedrooms. Oh, yeah. It's got a boat house. I went in like 2022. I thought it was a super nice neighborhood. People got, I got a lot of shade on. I think it's because there's, you guys, Long Island, everybody has a different.

Everybody gets to fight. If there is a boat house, it's nice. It's nice. It's a nice neighborhood. It is a nice neighborhood. Yeah, it's nice. Now, thank you for coming in, Robbins saying that it's nice. He's a Long Island expert.

I've been there several times. Yes. And it's nice? It's nice. It's nice. It's nice. Can I, is the Long Island medium ever been to the Amityville house? Actually, it's a really good question.

Continue on. I'm going to look it up. All right. Well, the funny thing about him coming in and saying like, you got to help me, everyone help me. He came in like, like panting. Like he just run from his house. Yeah.

And everyone's like, all right, great. Let's go outside. And he's parked right in front of the bar. So he sat out in front of the bar, psyched himself up. And like, okay, how's it going to look? I need to look as panicked as possible. Yeah. So immediately.

under suspicion and so he asked everybody to help come help him five guys he brought to his home and they of course discovered that ronnie de feo's entire family was dead they said they were overwhelmed by the stench of death as they reached the second floor because everyone had been dead for a couple of days they fucking turned on the light switch immediately found rani senior and louise dead in their bed ronnie senior had a gunshot wound in the center of his back uh louise was faced down they were both shot twice Twice, Luis was positioned where her chest was slightly raised. The medical examiner believes she may have been alive for several minutes after being shot. And her position indicated she may have been awoken, raised her body, and looked toward the killer before she died. Well, according to this is the only answer I got from the Long Island medium visiting the Amityville is that mostly about her having dinner. And so I'm hearing here, according to her, this is this thing before you go. I just want to read this statement from her, which I love. people ask me that question all the time

when I'm over for dinner are you getting anything from my house but nine times out of ten it's just their loved ones that they are feeling I have a cousin that passed away and he was a plumber so when my toilet runs randomly I know it's him

but sometimes it is more than that I walked into a home and all I saw at first was a white light a flash of blood on the walls and a priest standing in the corner I asked about the history of the home and it turned out that there had been a murder and a suicide there

But the house had been blessed by a priest. It was a beautiful home. It was full of positive energy. It's not haunted. Wait, so she said that even though it was, but she still saw the bloodstain. Yeah, the massacre. Yeah, the massacre. And she saw the priest, too.

Yeah. So what did it? So the priest, all the priest did was add to the haunting. Yes. But, oh, but it's nice. It's comforting, brother. I just love to see him. I love a collar.

My God, you know, they had the shag copying in there, which I think is sometimes trashy, but when it's white, it's, it's, You can keep it clean. If you can keep it clean. If you could just get the damn, these animals, the animals coming in here. Yeah, that's why I got the plastic sheeting on the, this plastic sheeting over the television. I got plastic sheeting of all the plants. I got plastic cleaning over the lamp.

Keaton said, nice. Did you have plastic sheeting on the lamps? No, but my family, my grandmother had a bunch of plastic sheeting on a bunch of stuff. It was the plastic sheeting was on the lamps. It was, I mean it, there was a plastic cube over the television. And I don't know what it's not like we were a bunch of elephant seals Yeah Like I don't know what she thought we were going to do to the surface of the television

It's in a glass cube in the middle of living room Wait so you had to watch you had to watch TV through a sheet of plastic There was like an encasement it was in this like thing but I just remember The screen was not obscured by the plastic though No but the thing the top of it was it was in this plastic hutch and there was plastic on the couch and there was literally plastic on the car It was plastic on everything in those houses Yeah It had to be pristine and like and every and ever and

And all the closets were filled with mothballs. Yes, and it was nothing was used. It was good plates that couldn't be used because we were good enough. There were a few rooms you weren't allowed in. Couldn't go into them. Couldn't. There was that my grandmother had a room. We weren't allowed to enter because just my fat legs, just my shitty little mouth would ruin that place.

Yeah. And all those houses, they also have like a room before you even get in the house. The ante room. Yeah. I'm so glad I grew up in dirt. It's just like, I just like, think of that. We had no dirt. Like, just thinking back on just, like, how fucking filled our houses were with, like, sand and dirt.

My mom and grandmother would happily have vacuumed me every morning. They would have happily have, honestly, cleaned my very body inch by inch. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I got. Not even, not the dick. I mean, I got hosed off plenty. Yeah.

That's different. Oh, we were in hosed. We were threatened with the hose. I've been hosed off. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, it's great. It's covered in ants.

Yeah. So they discovered Ronnie's parents upstairs, dead, gunshot wound. Honestly, how would you even know of a Long Island father was planning to kill the whole family if the whole place was covered in plastic? It already is. Yeah, that's a great idea. Right? That's why they do it, just the case they kill their family.

So they go into the boys' bedroom, they found the bodies of 9 and 12-year-old John and Mark Defeo. That's Ronnie Defeo's brothers. They're both lined face down with a single bullet. shot wound. And the reason why I'm going through all the, you know, where everybody was found and how they were found, it's very much germane to have the arguments that are made later on as to who

perpetrated these crimes and who all was involved in these crimes. Yeah. So those boys were both killed at close range and then they found the two girls. They found Allison and Don. They were both found face down in their bed. Allison 13 was once shot in the

face. The left cheek moved into her right ear, tore through her brain. The bullet exited, ripped through the mattress, hit the wall and ricocheted on the floor. Dawn 18 was shot in the back of the neck. Bullet entered below her left ear and blasted through the left temple onto the pillow, left side of her face collapsed, and brain particles and blood saturated the pillow. So they walk in, everybody is dead in their beds. Yeah. And they've all been killed the same night. Yes. And he goes, oh, no! Oh, my God, who could a, oh, it's me.

Yeah. But, all right, I have a question. How do you execute six people and no one gets out of bed? And that's been... Diamonds. It's a demon. And that's been the question behind the Ronnie Defeo murders for, you know, going on almost 50 years now. Do you understand how often it happens in family annihilations?

It actually happens way, way. more often than you think. And partially, I was reading about this because I wanted to know, because recently I read this horrific story about a British multi-millionaire who, you know, obviously fucked everything up, was embezzling, all this very standard, was about to lose everything. They all knew it was all coming and crashing down. And so he killed his wife and his daughter. And then what he did was that he parked an RV in the driveway to the mansion where you'd have

to come in so that the people couldn't come in. And then what he did is he shot all the animals. He shot all the horses. He shot all everything else that lived on the entire thing. He said the whole place on fire. But part and then he said they burned down a halacious inferno. Everybody died inside. Same thing.

The kids were shot and not. And one didn't hear and the other one were, it was like not far from each other. And they talk about, they believe there's a phenomenon of something being so far outside of what you experience. Like when you ask a person that has never heard a gunshot, what a gunshot sounds like, They say a bunch of different things. They see stuff on movies. That's not what a gun really sounds like.

A gun kind of sounds like a clap. Yeah, right? Like, it also depends on the type of gun. It's like a, it was a Marlon rifle. Yeah, but if you don't know the sound, and you've never thought that this would be something that was something that you would ever experience, you'd actually be very surprised how much just you need your brain,

the very brain itself trying to keep the status quo of your reality together and intact, even when you're asleep that you might ignore something like that because it's so far outside it's how people like accidentally sleep while their house sets on fire and stuff like that it's because there's all of these it's just it's not you're not expecting it so you don't even think of that it's going to happen to you and so it's like you kind of don't see it and it also could be you know your super mean drug addict brother you know you hear a noise like hey what was that and you hear your fucking super mean brother go go back to sleep yeah and you're like all right yeah right and then you go back to sleep yeah right and then you go back to sleep because you're a little kid yeah yeah except for dawn of course but we'll get to dawn later right from your grave and the thing is as far as motive goes you know everyone knew like ronnie de feo senior physically and mentally abusive towards his entire family butch kind of inherited that temper they had altercations throughout his life then butch started abusing both acid and heroin at the same time and it says that just finally one day

Butch decided to kill everybody. You know, nobody really knows what, like, Bush himself has given multiple explanations as far as why he killed everybody in the house. Yeah. He has said that it was a mob hit, that it was some sort of like... Well, they weren't connected, the family, right?

The family was super connected. Yeah, dude, fucking he was a, yeah, he was a weirdo. Yeah. Well, so as far as how Butch started off, like he told police, he was home from her. with an upset stomach the day before. He stayed up late watching a Burt Lancaster movie. I don't know which movie it would have been, though.

But do you know much about Bert Lancaster? I don't know one thing. I'm going to tell you because I do Dana Carvey's impression of Bert Langley. I know he was in a movie called Atlantic City. Okay. Which hadn't come out yet, so you didn't watch that. All right. All right.

I'm going to tell you what I'm going to tell you straight. Wait, so that he fell asleep in the TV room around 2 a.m. woke up around 4 a.m. with stomach pains, saw his brother's wheelchair outside of the bathroom. His brother had just broken his leg, so he was in a wheelchair. And Butch heard the toilet flush. And the next morning he decided to go back to work. After work, he saw his girlfriend and some of his friends.

He was complaining throughout November 13th to his girlfriend and friends that he was unable to get a hold of his parents. So he's kind of set in an alibi there. Cars were in the garage, but no one's answering the phone. And so he was taken to the police station for his own protection because he suggested to the police at first, like, hey, you know, not for nothing, but my family pissed off this mafia hitman named Louis Fellini. Maybe you ought to go looking to Louis Felini. I might be in trouble here. I might be in danger. You got to have to come up with a better fake mafioso name than Louis Felini.

I feel like it's essentially called him Theo Spaghetti. Like that is a very end is a racist name. Well, no, these were real people. Yeah. Louis, Philippe. Yeah, he made AmeriCord. Yeah, I know. Also with Cah, but also I find that I forget, though, being from Queens, the kids I grew up with were like Anthony Amaretti, Bobby Barbarisi.

Like, I miss those names. Yeah. Well, Felini and his family were family friends. They live with the Defeo's for some time after their home in Brooklyn burned down. And Felini buried a box of money and jewels in the Defeo home. Apparently, Butch got into an argument with Felini. After Fellini criticized a paint job that Butch did for him, butch threw a paintbrush at Fellini, broke a window, and called him a cock sucker.

Whoa, that's how you get whacked. Yes. And Ronald Sr. is like, hey, that's a professional hitman. You don't want to be fucking with that guy. And Ronald Sr. complained two weeks before the murders that he lost a friend, that he had to tell Felini that Ronald would murder Felini's entire family if something happened to Butch. And, you know, so on and so forth. Bada bing, bada.

Boom. all of a sudden, you know, where you're shooting the kid, you know, the guy, he's getting shot, and yeah, the guy he's yawning and everybody at the box. And Butch admitted, like, he's on probation. He admitted he was a heroin user.

He said, yeah, I had burglarized neighbor's houses and I steal antiques. When they asked him how he passed his drug test, he admitted, like, my sister used to piss in a bag and I'd take that. And so basically the police are just kind of softening him up. they see immediately, like, oh, this guy killed his entire family. Yeah.

They're just trying to soften them up, trying to get him to, trying to just admit to, like, one thing, and then the next thing, and the next thing. And then finally, he was like, yeah, if I'm telling you all this stuff, I may as well be honest. Yeah, I murdered my family. It was me. I murdered everybody. They said that... Killed them all, of course.

Killed them all. Killed them all. That's good. Yeah, we're good. No, I've been, it's like, actually been my... I've been doing it, like, with Carolina, like all, all, like, yeah. Hi, it's Bob. It's Bob.

No, I couldn't see who could write something like that. Well, before Butch finally did come out and say, look, I write, I killed my family. But he kept telling police, like, look for Felini. Look for Felini. And Butch, at the same time, he would start to, you know, he would say his mother was a lousy cook. He say his brothers were fucking pigs. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, he was not a nice guy.

He wasn't a good brother. No, no, called a sister a fat fuck who played her music too loud. It's not a good reason to kill your sister. Yeah. And when they told Butch, they found the murder weapon and the bullets, 35 Marlon rifle. Butch said that Felini had an accomplice who forced Butch to watch as he murdered his family. So the story just keeps changing, keeps evolving. Yeah.

And they asked if Felini forced Bush to participate. Butch put his head in his hands, asked for a minute, and then confessed to murdering his entire family. And of course, immediately after, Butch's attorney mounted an insanity defense, claiming that Defeo heard voices, who told him that his family was against him, that he was possessed, and he claimed that he killed them in self-defense because the demons were telling him that they were going to hurt him. And that was around the time that this attorney got a hold of the Lutz family. Now, this is when the story was concocted, which is, it is interesting. Because the Lutz family, they were also strange.

They were very religious. I believe that he had, like, didn't he, George Lutz? No, he was way into the occult. Well, that was the kind of, it started with that he got really, George Lutz was kind of, he's a very weird man. Yeah. Because he was really into like transcendental meditation and mantra chanting and shit like that. He had a Christian stripe.

It's a very 80s, New York, version of religion that my mom had, too, where it was, like, she had a lot of Christian iconography mixed into, like, weird wican stuff. Oh, yeah. Like chanting the name, because that what George DeFay, or what George Lutz used to do is, like, he would sit and, like, chant, like, find demon names and, like, chant demon names over and over again. I mean, I take that with a great assault, because I think that what he actually did was stuff that, like, my, one of my best friends, Jeff Nitzberg, his dad was what they called a Jew boo, which is Jewish Buddhist. and he went full on into Buddhism. That's fun. I never heard that.

It kind of honestly made him an asshole because he started believing that nothing existed. So then he would say stuff like, why are you guys making Arden movies because it doesn't matter because life isn't real and stuff like that. It was rough. That's too Buddhist. Yeah, too Buddhist, two Buddhists.

That's too boo. Also seems to be just a weird interpret. For my study of Buddhism, it seems to be like a weird interpretation of it and just an excuse. He doesn't sound like a Buddhist. He sounds like a nihist. He was just.

Yes. Yes. He was using Buddhism is a reason he was poor. Yeah, a weapon against. You know, he was very rich, actually. He did very very well. He was using it to attack his children and his children's friends. Yeah.

But at the same time, he had gotten all these mantras. That's what he would do. So he would go and do his meditation all day. Yeah. So he'd go to the other room, you just hear like, hung me, from the other room. Asmodius. I could see George Lutz doing that. And everyone being like, he's an occult master.

Meanwhile, like, all he did was go to one weird thing in Queens. Like, he saw some guy. some weird Yeah, some guy taught about to meditate. Well, they're all into it in the Northeast, you know, my whole Catholic family, the Catholic side, not the Jewish side,

is super into ghosts. Oh, yeah, all the Catholic shit. They get mediums to come by the house all the time and stuff like that. It is a very, it is very, Catholicism is a very much a fucking slippery slope to the occult. Yeah.

Because it is the occult. Yeah, it's a fucking grim war. We talked about that. You do a Catholic exorcism. You arrive with the spell book and you have all the accoutrema and you're doing spells at an outfit. Yes.

Yeah, you've got your special, like, you know, you have your holy water, which might as, you know, your alchemist's fucking pouch. You know, like it's, yeah, it's all the same shit. It's all the same occult trappings. Yes. They all use the same thing. But I feel it's a slippery slope,

but that's where it kind of started. He had this kind of fascination with the occult. Now, where did they, where did they say the actual phenomenon began? Well, they say that it actually began as soon as they moved in. Like, you know, that Father Ray heard the deep voice. saying get out you know and then when closing the window after the blessing the eldest lutz boy had his hand crushed in the window cell like the window cell came down and crushed the boy and then you know and then they started experiencing strange phenomena the daughter missy she had an imaginary

friend they called it a mysterious pig friend named jody oh yeah yeah oh yeah oh everyone pig oh we love ghost pigs we love ghost pigs yes uh and you know the ghost pig spoke to her and told her of a little boy who lived in the house, met a brutal death, you know, so on and so forth, you know, they had all sorts of shit where there's, you know, they said a ceramic lion's, bit George on the calf, doors and windows would open and close randomly. The boys' beds

moved on their own, you know, and then after 28 days in the home, you know, very famously, they left with no more than the shirts on their backs. They ran out of the house. They ran out of the house. And as it turned out, all this was, of course, bullshit. We talked about this. We talked about this recently on the

Warrens, and this is partly why we're talking about this is because we did just recently cover, you know, Amityville partly on the Warrens, and we can kind of expand a little bit more on what George Lutz did afterwards. Afterwards, he went out and recorded a series of 26 cassette tapes talking about what happened while they were in the house. He was drinking most of the time when he was recording, and he reportedly wanted to have seances in the house. And by February of 1976, the Lutz's were caught.

But before all that, before he started. recording shit, like, less than a month after they ran out of the house, they were in contact with Butch Defeo's defense attorney, William Weber, and he wanted to combine their stories to create a insanity plea. Yeah. And to make a lot of money in the process. Because they're setting up for the fucking, the sale of the story of the haunting of the Amityville House.

Yeah. And because that's the thing is, I do believe that the Lutz's experience something, like something happened in that house. I mean, you have six people who are fucking brutally murdered. Yeah. I mean, it's got bad juja. Yeah, it's got bad vibes. You talked about this recently when we did the Herb Baumaster series about how like it's one of those places that if there were going to be a place where there was going to be paranormal activity would be here.

Yeah. But I don't want to skip ahead too much, but no one else has felt paranormal shit in the house since. No, no, no, no, everyone who's ever lived there. And they also, um, they refuse. a lot of George Lutz's claims where he said like, you know, window shutters would fly off the walls, doors would fly off the walls, and there's like, every

single thing in here looks original. None of this was, you know, like this door looks like it's been here on these hinges for 20 years. None of that should happen. And I also think when it comes to paranormal activity, we could look to. We talked a little bit about the lead poisoning. How lead poisoning

in the boomers is probably would lead to the serial killer, like fucking epidemic of the 1970. We're pretty certain... 1080s and 90s. It's got something to do with lead poisoning. I actually blame a lot of paranormal stories from this time period on the goddamn exorcist. They look at immediately, the exorcist happened in 1973.

So once the exes... That's when that came out. The Amityville murders happened in 74 and everything happened after the fact. So as soon as they saw this, it was already still Exorcist fever. Like technically when the... Technically, I believe the Oscars had just happened. Which I believe the Exorcist was nominated. It was nominated.

for Best Picture. And so it got huge, a huge amount of attention. Yeah. And so demons made me do it. It was pretty popular. Sound like it's going to make some money. Yeah. But also it's like, I mean, obviously these people have no moral compass, but, you know,

as much as you want to like sell your new house that you probably, you know, needed to unload because you couldn't afford to buy it in the first place. Yes. That is what happened with Lutz. Yeah, right? That's what it seems like to me. Yes. It is utterly, that is, you are sort of jumping ahead, but you are.

Yes. He completely destroyed his finances, and the house was like three times upside down. Yeah, but in order to do that, you have to free a six-time murderer. Yes. But you see, as we notice, sometimes you've got to go all the way to the top to make it all work out. Well, I mean, the kids who were a part of the Amityville story, a couple of them have come out and spoken publicly, specifically Christopher Lutz, who changed his name to Christopher Quarantino. which is a fun name Christopher Quarantino Christopher Quarantino

Yeah I think it's Quarantino was the name of his mother's first husband Oh okay It's a real name Yeah Quarantino

It was the yeah It sounds like An Italian special During Cof I guess It sounds like Come on up to Barri Has it had to Quarantino

You I'm sitting a six of eight over there I have thrown A carousona And open a mouth Do you cough Don't you call for you.

Don't do make him a sneakie? Really fun stuff. Really top-tier material for me today. Quarantine special is nice. But yeah, this guy, he changed his name for anonymity. But it said that he took a lot of flack when he was a kid, you know, because everyone's like, your mom's a liar, your dad's a liar. All this stuff is bullshit.

Yeah. But this all happened to him when he was seven years old, which is kind of interesting. Yes. Because the age is very interesting because. I don't know about you guys, but my memory from when I was seven is hazy to say the least. Well, I remember my seventh birthday because that's the story I had from when Michelangelo came. From the intertortals? Yeah, and Michelangelo came to my seventh birthday party.

It's not real, Henry. I'm sorry. I know. I know. I know. The thing that was more remarkable about it was that I'll always remember because, like, I grew up in New York. I had a fairly diverse group of friends. We're all, like, kind of careful.

I remember first, like, you know. One was even an inch turtle. Yeah. But then Michelangelo showed up, and April O'Neill that was accompanying Michelangelo was being portrayed by a black woman. And we were all, like, really confused as kids. And it really created this very interesting conversation

about colorblind casting and race, where she had just trying to explain. Because all these kids are like, excuse me, ma'am, April O'Neill's white. And she was like, literally, you've got to understand. See, sometimes April O'Neill is. can be black. Like she was her saying

and we're all like Did she have red hair? What? Did she have red hair? No. But we were just like, but we just went with it and they taught us karate

and those are the last thing I remember. Yes. Okay, as long as she's wearing the costume. She didn't show up wearing a pants suit. Yeah. Yeah, showed up full tits out.

It was awesome. Yeah, then she started stripping. That's amazing. And yet she gave all the kids a lap dance. My dad, you'd be crazy with cops. used to get.

But yeah, that's what I remember from being seven. Well, yeah, I don't remember a whole lot. I remember being paddled by my teacher. That's seven. Yeah, I was it. I mouthed off. I mouthed off a lot when I was a kid, and I got paddled a lot as a result because I had a big mouth. Do you think it made your butt big?

Stronger. Is that why my butt's big is because when I was a kid, got paddled a lot and then my body in order to protect itself made my butt made more butt made my butt bigger yeah it's probably it you fucking idiot yeah that's probably the reason why i got a big butt is because i got paddled a lot without the kid because i got a big mouth wow you know i was hit by a teacher at seven really in second grade but was it part of the punishment or was it like did she just fly off the handle and smack you i draw my pencil box she said it was on purpose i said it wasn't and she hit me wow like in the face uh she slapped my arm

Oh, okay, no, no, I got full... Sister Dolores. No, okay, that's a, and that's a none. That's totally different. No, for me, it was a full wooden paddle by a public, by a government employee. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no. It wasn't like that. It was a rash decision.

No, I was celebrated by my school. No. That's nice. Everywhere I went. That's where I got the public school. Private school they hated me. Yeah, I could see. Yeah.

Yeah, you look like, you look like a child prisoner. I've seen those pictures. Right? You look like, you look like you'd be currently. fighting Ukraine. And if you were born in Russia at that time as that child. Man, the day I found out that I can just kick the shit out of anyone who

badmouthed me. It's a great day. Oh, I bet. It was a great thing. Oh, wow. These hands. These hands. See, I kind of found out the opposite that anyone could kick the shit out of me if I badmouthed them.

Yeah, really bad. That was a really tiny child. But that's where you become a razor quick with your wit. And oh, because you'll see. that actually a few barbs or just as well effective as a few well-placed kicks, my friend.

My audience was not that smart. All I had to do is funny voices and impersonate Jim Carrey. Yeah, it's great. It worked out. Somebody, stop me. It helps a lot of people from there to beat up. I remember, I know this is way off topic

and we should probably cut it, but I remember I beat up one kid because I was shaking a tree and he's like, hey, don't shake that tree. And I just beat the shit out of him. Wow. I'm an incredible lesson. Actually, the only kid that I, like, could beat up.

But, yeah, the one kid that was weaker than me is that he was stomping on ants. And I told him, hey, stop stomping on the ants. He told me to shut up and I beat the shit out of him. Hell yeah. Jesus Christ, I just made him laugh. I just sang songs. And I did impersonations of the teachers. Oh, no, I did impersonations of the teachers, too.

But, yeah, no, impersonations were big. Okay, so back to the defense. I was going to sign. I was going to a side jump. Live from your grade. So Christopher, I guess we're back on the Lutz's. Yeah. Christopher here.

Yeah, a seven-year-old's memory of all this is interesting because, you know, you don't want to tell this guy that he's a liar. Of course not. But memory is very fallible. And when you're a kid dealing with something so insane, especially when your father is kind of insane too because, you know, George Lutz had, he had a reputation for also being. a very abusive person.

Very, very physically abusive, very emotionally abusive. And it is kind of freaky when your dad's sitting in a room for hours alone chanting the name of a demon over and over and over again. It doesn't set you up maybe great. I mean, I don't know. If he explained what was going on and he was cool about it, maybe it would be awesome. But he's haunted. This kid's haunted.

I find it interesting. This man is haunted. I find it interesting that he, yes, it's not about what he directly remembers, But also remember, then the narrative, not just as created by your father to you alone in a home, but then it's written in a book. And then it's written blown out in a movie. And then it's turned to nine movies. And this story has become so ubiquitous with haunted houses.

And the house, your childhood home is the picture of haunted houses. That eventually, whether or not you like it or not, you've made that memory real. That is just there is no way around it. That is how memory works. You tell yourself, your memories are just the stories you tell yourself that you've decided are the way it is ended. That is how you, you're the final draft of the stories you tell about yourself. Man, imagine being a teenager and seeing that Simpson's episode about your fucking house. Oh, yeah.

I think that shit fucks you up. I think it otherizes you. I think it makes you something else. I think you walk around all day saying like, I'm supposed to be this sort of purveyor of a secret knowledge. I'm supposed to have experienced something that most people do. don't experience until they die. I touch with the paranormal. But I'm supposed to be that, but I'm fucked now.

Well, he actually, he says he didn't read the Amityville horror until 1999. I'm just saying it's everywhere. It's just in the air. It's everywhere you go. It's the context with which you arrive everywhere. But what's most interesting about his story, and this is what I find fascinating about it, is that he read the Amityville, like he, for his whole life, he's like, yes, like, shit absolutely happened there, paranormal.

happened there and he read the Amityville horror and he was like that's not how it happened yeah he was like his memories of it were completely different from how it was portrayed in the Amityville horrors like that's not how it happened at all he's like they added some

shit and then completely left other things out he's like they left out the story of like how our dog almost fucking was almost hung because it was thrown over the fence and it was hanging by its fucking leash and almost choked to death like you know all these He's like, yeah.

And whether or not it just jumps because it was freaked out itself. Honestly, that's enough for me. Like, what if it just saw something, poor dogs and cats. That is actually what he said is that he fucking, the dog was so scared to jump the fence and fucking choked itself. But they rescued it, thankfully. Yes, because cats and dogs see very, they see all the ghosts. Mm-hmm. Yep.

And like he said that he saw like a dark human-like figure appearing in his bedroom doorway, didn't see the feet. All of this shit is very, very scary to him. But that's what's fucking fascinating is that. that there was a paranormal, according to this guy, there was a paranormal story here. It's just not the one that they told. It's not the one that Jay Anson told because I think he had his own narrative in mind. Because George Lutz did record over 20 hours of testimony, like shit that he said happened in the house. But the thing is that through all the lawsuits that came afterwards that we talked about in the Warren series,

like including lawsuits that involved his own family members like George Lutz was forced to say again and again like no most of it was fiction most of it was made up wow yes he had to it is interesting but I we did it when we just talked about the Warrens there's so many of these where there's something at the core which is why we don't trust these stories it's why we are as a whole like both as a society it's It feels like we're more, quote, unquote, open to it than ever before. But the skeptic side of it, like, I guess it's cringe, I think, is the term to be too much of a believer. Everybody has to have a foot outside the door to kind of feel cool and good and of normal society. I try to at least. But that's how you actually become a believer as you are a skeptic and you're proved wrong. But these stories, the problem is that all the lies on top of these stories are what makes people not believe. is that it's they it's all of the monetization again capitalism kind of fucks it up because it takes

what is supposed to be this beautiful i don't know i think it's interesting like the way they talk about the haunted house that we covered where they talked about how um they were happy with the ghosts before they left where they were just they created a relationship with the the poltergeist i think it was in the warren series was the perone yeah the parent family just Where they knew the ghost and they were fine with it. And there's something about that. But I feel like that used to be way more common that this type of phenomenon would kind of happen quietly in your home. Basically, the end of Beetlejuice.

Yes. Yeah. Well, yeah, you hear that story a lot. We're like, you know, someone will be in the kitchen and like the bread flies off the counter. And they're like, all right, Jerry, stop it. You know, and it's like, and then it stops. I love shit like that. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Well, this guy, Christopher, he says that what he was most frustrated with is that the book, Jay Anson's book, The Amityville Hoare, it portrays George Lutz as a victim of the house. It portrays him as like this paternal hero. And how Christopher remembered it, what he believed happened is that George Lutz invited a demonic entity into the house. He turned it into this entirely different kind of story where George Lutz was like kind of an occultz dabbler who, put his hands into some shit that he shouldn't have put his hands into. Why else would he buy the fucking murder house? There you go. There you go.

But also, it's like because it sounds like he didn't have as much cash as he wanted and he got a house for an great neighborhood, which was huge. And a good price, I mean, for very cheap, yeah, 80 grand. But he still couldn't you forward to the 80 grand. Yeah, and if you're a big

fan of this kind of stuff, you're like, oh, I can get this house, I'll get a story out of it, make a buck. Maybe. Or you just want to be in it. I'm one of those. I just want to be in it. I mean, if he did go into it thinking, I could get a book out of this, he would have definitely been like a hell of a business man. I don't, yeah. The Amityville horror was like, it was the first of its kind. Okay. Of this shit, you know, like there had been, of course, you know, books. Well, the exorcists, but not like that. Yeah. Yeah. This was a book. But I mean, like, nonfiction.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, at that point, the biggest nonfiction, true crime, I mean, the only thing you could maybe compare it to is like in cold blood. Yeah. You know, which of course was a massive hit, and that had been about 10 years earlier, somewhere on there. So I guess there was some appetite for true crime, but for paranormal stuff, for haunted house stuff, like, I don't think there had been something like that before I am in the evil.

No, it was a, in terms of that level of, based on a true story style. Yeah. So I, with the true crime angle also added to it of like a national news story. I personally believe that he did not come in there with a plan. I don't think that he had I don't think as you can see by his finances

I don't think he was much of a planner And so I think that You just need one little kick And then everything else happened Because it was Because it had the goods You know what I mean And had the bright bones for the story

And so yeah You start to see some weird shit And then I kick this little ball It's gonna turn into a fucking avalanche Real easy Because there's a lot of meat here What happened to Lutz after all this?

He basically got, spent the rest of his life in litigation in one way or another. Like, he even sued Christopher at one point because Chris, he sued his stepson. A stepson. Yeah, he sued him in 2003

because Christopher, because he wanted to get a little bit of the Amityville money. He's like, if I'm going to fucking, if this is going to be my life, I'm going to make a little bit of money doing it. Yeah. He created the domain name

Amityvillehorror.com. But George had trademarked Amityville Horror the year before. And so he sued his stepson in Nevada district court. Christopher countersued, noting that the trademark concerned a brand name of nonfiction books,

but that got George to publicly admit that the books were fiction. Oh. Yeah, dude. This big fucking got them. But then they settled the suit. Christopher turned over the domain name. But around the same time,

Christopher learned that George was workshopping a new movie. And this is, of course, this is very George Lutz. The plot and the movie movie was that Christopher would be using his name, you know, his likeness, returned to the house years later, became possessed and killed his father. And of course, Christopher is like take this is, is this very Long Island, Rob, like these guys like passive aggressively telling stories about each other. That makes sense. It sounds like Long Island. It's sounding more and

where it's like they get into this fight and it's like, I'm going to make a movie about you in which you're the asshole and it's like, oh, you're going to make a movie about me in which I'm the asshole. I'm going to fucking take you to court. But then, out of nowhere, MGM announced their remake, the 2005 remake of the Amityville horror, which I've never seen. I did not know Ryan Reynolds starred in an Amityville horror remake. Yes, he did. It was before he was everybody's favorite

Deadpool. He literally did a bunch of he did a lot of bad stuff. Yeah. That's a bad one. Between Van Wilder and Deadpool? Yes. I did not like that. The Green Lantern was fucking awful. We all know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did a bunch of garbage. in between. You know what? Why do they not get Josh Brolin? I mean, I know you can't just choose, but that would have been great.

I don't know. I honestly don't know because the original Brolin, James Brolin, is great. Yeah. He's so good because he's scared. He's a very good scary dad. Oh, yeah. He's got that big head. He's definitely big, that big head.

He's got that serious beard. Oh, yeah. No, you could take a shovel to the face and just start laughing. Yeah, he's a serious beard. I love it. Well, we really did it. Wow. Yeah, we really did it. We brought it back.

But that's it. But to wrap it up, George filed a suit against MGM for libel, claiming that the new movie made him look like a homicidal maniac. No, wow. Because in the Ryan Reynolds movie, George Lutz is portrayed as killing his dog with an axe, attacking his son with an axe, building coffins for his wife and children,

trying to drown his wife, chasing his wife and children on a roof and a rainstorm. I mean, you gotta make it better. Yes, well, they were trying to, they pumped up the action, and they made it evil daddy. And then daddy's like, oh, who's not? bad evil. Well, he contends that when he signed the rights in 1979, there wasn't anything that

prohibited him from filing defamation in connection with any subsequent movie. The suit was unsuccessful and on the day that it was settled in 2006, George Lutz fucking died. He should have been happy with the abs they gave for. That literally is the

saddest, the saddest way to end the ghost stories. You just become a ghost. Yes. That you, fucking, you spend your life in litigation, and then you become a ghost. Wow. And that's it. That's, that is, that's the expansion of the Amityville horror. And, you know, there's so far, there's been 10 Amityville horror movies, the original.

Really? There's been 10. I didn't know there's been 10. There's been a lot of them. Including. There was many, um, what's the spots? There was many, um, what's the sequels? Oh, yeah, many sequels.

I've never seen sequels. I didn't know what got to nine. Well, they're all the remakes. Like, you know, there's. been, I think, two remakes. And there was supposed to be, like, Amityville. The Awakening was supposed to be, like, last decade, like... Oh, wow.

Yeah, there's been... Yeah, there's Amityville. Yeah, I forgot. Amityville 3D. Yeah, Amityville 3D. I liked. Yeah, no, these... Actually, let's go through the names to round this whole thing up.

There's the Amityville Horror. Amityville 2, the possession. That's more about Ronnie DeFaio. And that's the one the Warrens had their hand in. Yes. Actually, the Warrens had their hand in. every single one of these. They were,

they were listed as consultants at least. There was Amityville 3D. There was Amityville 4. The evil escapes. The Amityville curse.

This is my favorite one. Amniville. It's about time. It's about time. And it's actually just all about clocks. Amnneville, a new generation. Amityville dollhouse.

Yeah, that's right. And then they and then they Did you say that stop motion? No, no, no, I wish. that was the one where there is a dollhouse shaped like the Amityville house that is also haunted. Yeah, that was 1996.

I actually remember watch. Man, I fucking forget. I just totally really, yeah, 1999. That's when I was watching every horrible horror movie that came across pay-per-view because it costs like $2. Of course. Yeah, and so, yeah, I saw Amityville dollhouse. Fuck yeah.

Yeah, I remember that. It's like a blast from the past. Yeah, man. It's like at the same time, what was that other bloodstone? Oh, man. watch these all together. Yeah, we should watch it, yes. And then, of course, in 2005, it restarted, and then people just started using the Amityville name, Amityville Haunting, Amityville Asylum, Amityville Death House, Amityville Playhouse, Amityville, No Escape, and then Amityville

Exorcism, and then finally in 2017, Amityville, the Awakening. That was the last one. What does the town Amityville feel about all this? They do, they do not. Oh, Kurt Witt's, they don't love it. They don't love it. Yeah, Kurtwood Smith was in Amniville, the Awakening. There you go. He's great. Yeah, they don't love it. They don't have like, yeah, they don't really enjoy.

No. No one does. Their name being by word for haunted house. It's not celebrated. It's not celebrated. Unfortunately, as much as I, I think that everybody gets sick of it. Because you know what it really is? Honestly, it's me.

It's people like me. Yeah. That arrive in front of your home going, yeah, they kill the girl in this room. And then they kill the wife in this room. Like, for outside me pointing out being like, her brains are splatter everywhere and I bet you I bet you you wanted to do other things to her corpse

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