Last Podcast On The Left - Last Update on the Left - Episode 14 - Henry Lee Lucas Revisited - Part II

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

The boys are back with another update and in this installment, we’ll be taking a look at some of the murders Lucas claimed, as well as diving deeper into the details of his stories vs. reality... For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

That's when the cannibalism started. Last update on the left. You know what I'm realizing now is that for so long, I always kind of thought that the smells associated with Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Tool, like one of the worst smells would be the habitual cigarettes and cigarette smoke. Now I'm starting to understand. I just recently was like watching footage of Otis Tool talking alone to a reporter in a room, chain smoking.

And then it started to understand in my brain. I was like, oh, no, the smoke is good compared to them. Yeah, it covers up the body odor, the smell of Audits' tool. I think that the scent of Henry Lee Lucas. The smoke was like a tool, a tool by Otis tool. Yeah. Just sort of almost ingratiate him to people in a way. Yeah, do you really want to experience essence of Otis?

No, because if you experience essence of audits, you end up as a fucking child with no head. Only time Otis washed himself is when the police hit it with a hose. Thank you. I'm going to last update on the left, everyone. My name's Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zabaski. No, you're not.

You're here with Otis, too. And I'm the most rounded, tallest, oldest man you've ever seen who's also yet a boy. Oh, yeah. Have you enjoying your time in prison? Oh, yeah. If they knew how good of a time I'd have, they'd let me out. Have you had any conjugal visits from me? I hear you're quite the ladies man.

I push them on people. Sometimes people find out we're about to have one. And of course, Ed Larson. Hi, how you doing? What's going on? And I'm rooting for, I'm here, despite the fact that the dolphins are playing today.

Wow. Tennessee Titans 3 Dolphins Zero. Yeah, I figured as much. Good, really, you know. The game started like seconds ago. I will say. If there was one episode where it's a purpose, where it's appropriate to follow the dolphins as we record it's today.

What's incredible is that it's actually the second quarter, the second the show started the Titans scored. And we'll be giving Ed updates on how the dolphins are doing throughout the episode. But the reason why we're talking about Otis Tool is because we are returning to Henry Lee Lucas because we talked about him quite a bit in the last update. But there was a lot of information that we didn't get to, a lot of stuff that we didn't talk about. in our first go-round with Henry Lee Lucas, because I believe our only sources back then were a trashy supermarket, true crime paperback, and the book Hand of Death. Yes. That was co-written by the Christian lady who visited Otis Tool in prison.

And it gave a birth to a world of conspiracy theory that now we're still dealing with. It's still very much in the present conversation because of program to kill was by Dave McGowan, which is a big part of the sort of, I would say, the black-pilled world that does fully believe that serial killers are trained by CIA and that the CIA then uses the serial killers to kill and procure children in order to use their magical powers to fuel their reptilian overlords that are the actual U.S. government. Come on. The reptilian stuff is that that's a bridge too far. It's not too far.

They did spend a lot of time in Florida. There's lots of reptiles down there. Now, here's, I'm going to admit something that's going to make me sound ignorant. I don't know the pill thing. The black pill, the red pill. It means nothing. Don't worry about it, Eddie. What pill am I? What pill did I take? You get green pills.

The weed. Fucking, oh, man. You can't for it when I smoke my goddamn pills. Fuck, yeah, dude. Fucking stop with the pills, man. It's more to smoke, man. The case makes my lungs hurt. No, but I'll do it if it gets me

fucking ripped to the gas. Oh! Oh! Well, I mean, there is a large contention of people that believe that Henry Lee Lucas, along with a fair amount of other serial killers, were trained by either the CIA or even some sort of organization that might even be above the CIA. Oh, yes. We loosely talked to a step on this. Yeah. I mean, and there was a whole, but that's the thing. There was this book. We were actually going to go into this

maybe for the live show that we're touring right now. We decided to go a different direction, which I enjoy quite a bit more. Yeah. But we. we're thinking about going on a program to kill, but we realized the program to kill is mostly informed by hand of death, which was the book that Henry Lee Lucas, an Otis tool, I guess you could say they kind of dictated it. And they also, they yes-anded. Just any wacky shit that anyone said to them, they were like, oh, yep, I did that. And then also I took the little girl's guts and I put them into my pants. And the government said that that's what they wanted me to do. Hey, listen, we don't know. I don't know what half the forms of my taxes mean. So I don't know, maybe that's why I was running up all these issues for all these years, is that I never once fuck the child's intestines. But he also, Program to Kill also mentions Mark Tutua.

That's a different story altogether. But those are the things he sort of loosely ties together. But, you know, this is sort of a hint that we might, one of those little subjects I'd love to do is Dave McGowan. I'd love to go into his life. His life was actually very interesting. But that idea of the U.S. being involved in the training of serial killers is I just don't think they need the training. They seem to kind of be self-starter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And if they were over in, like, other countries, if there was American serial killing in other places, then I'd be like, oh, maybe. Well, maybe that's where they go to vacation. It makes no sense. Why would they want to kill just, you know, random girls all the time? Because they're upset. They're angry, Eddie. They say, it's so endgame. Well, the end game is to create a fear state in America and allow us.

to be ruled by the CIA and ruled by the government. That's what the police are for. Yes. But they would wrap up loose ends. But that's what the CIA is trying to do. They're wrapping up loose ends. They're procuring children for various blackmailing problems.

And blackmailing, they use kids to blackmail other politicians that get them to do what they want them to do. And then also just because they like it. Okay. And that's Black pill. Black pill just means you're sad all the time. And you think black pill means you're on the. read it and you think you know better because you don't go anywhere.

Yeah. But the hand-to-death stuff, like, it's not only is it like ridiculous, but we also know it's not true just because of how much Henry Lee Lucas lied. And that's kind of where we left off the last episode was all of Henry Lee Lucas's false confessions and the aftermath of those false confessions. And what happened when he finally said, actually, no, I didn't kill. one but my mother. It was this guy's name was Vic Fiesel.

We didn't really talk about this during our series. I love this guy. Vic Fiesel sounds like Vin Diesel trying to make up a fake name in a hotel. Well, this guy's an actual hero. Vic Fiesel was DA in Waco, and he, like everybody else in Texas, he had Henry Lee Lucas fever. Yeah, he did. Everyone did because Henry Luce was closing cases left and right. The cops in Dallas, though, like they, they.

were, I really got to give it to the Dallas PD because we're, you know, we're getting a lot of this stuff from the Netflix series, the confession killer. And they talked to a woman who was a cold case detective had like a really high clearance rate. 94%. 94% was fucking killing it. Yeah. And, you know, and sometimes when someone has a clearance rate that high, especially a homicide detective, we've actually, we've seen this. I think we saw it in New York City. I think there was actually one here as well where they had these detectives, with these super high clearance rates, and it turns out that they were just forcing people into false confessions.

And that's how they got their really high clearance rates. Well, it makes sense because then that's how you get them. Yeah. But this woman was not doing that. She was actually solving cases because she went down to Georgetown. They had Henry Lucas down in Georgetown. Freaky little jail. Yeah.

It's the tiniest little, like, easily could have, I mean, Kildozer would have had no problem with this little jail. I actually feel like you would have tried. I think a Dodge Ram could have taken out this jail. I think he would have tried to drive the jail. And so this woman goes down to talk to Henry Lee Lucas and gives him a couple of doubt, like three Dallas cases. And he's like, oh, yeah, I did that. And yeah, I did that.

Yeah, I did that. Yeah. Oh, yep. I was there. I remember her screaming. Yep, that one. I got ice cream after. I did that.

And that was always his big ones. I did that. I did that. But, you know, she's a damn good detective. She knows when someone's lying. She knows when someone's bullshit. So she goes back to Dallas and her cops are like, all right, well, here's what you do. Like, put together a bogus case file.

Like put together bullshit photos, a bullshit report, bullshit everything. Take it back down to him. See what he says. And she did that. She did for three cases. And the thing is that she's having to go against the Texas Rangers at this point. Because at this point, the Texas Rangers are the ones who have Henry Lee Lewis. in their care.

They're the ones they're in charge of the Henry Lee Lucas Task Force. Because what the Texas Rangers were doing is they were getting a real big fucking heart on, bringing every police department from around the country to come down to this tiny little jail in Texas and talk to Henry Lee Lucas and put their cold cases in front of them. Come on now. Get your cases cleared. Just this week and only. Henry Lee Lucas is live and he says yes. Were you made to look like an idiot by another idiot? Yes, Datton, too, shirts are being made very soon,

and Datton Talk is actually the number one podcast currently, where he's on there talking to all your favorite Kardashians saying yes to their crimes as well. Do you have the parents of dead children banging down your door? Tell me about you if you want to get rid of him today? The worst part, man, is they don't stop until it just is. deserve. So come on down get a hot pipe

and play to justice. Make sure you grab them palmalls, y'all. And a strawberry milkshake. Damn. But they were

having so many police departments coming down to bring their cold cases to Henry Lee Lucas. They had a line and they would

give each police department 20 minutes with Henry Lee Lucas. I just feel like it's like naked gun. You have like

one is like, you know, the head of police from Garnad. He's got like a crazy hat on a spear. And the other guy's fucking like from China long to get a big hat. You know, like all the big long flowing robes. And every single person that came in, every single cop that came in with their case, they'd

show them the photos. Oh, yeah, I did that. Yeah. I did that. And too. You just got that. Yeah. Like a woman dead next to her like a washer machine.

He'd be like, killed her by the washer machine. And they're like, wow. He knew the cheat. by the watching the killer would know such a thing. Now, can I ask honestly, now this is probably

one of those questions is why I'm asking here with the poet and the comedian, which is, now, these big men, these big strong Texas strangers.

Texas Rangers. Now, my question is that, yes, it does clear their clearance rate. But it's not even there. But a bunch of people. They're not even their cases. But on some level,

don't you as like hardcore investigator or whatever. Don't you like want to solve the crime for real? I think that some of these people, it's kind of like what you joked about earlier, Ed? It's like, do you have the parents of dead children knocking down your door? Seriously. Or is it like going to a psychic and trying to get questions? It almost kind of almost feels like that where it's like you're looking to go talk to. I think they just want the W. That's it. They want the W. They can sleep at night knowing that that case is all.

It's done. The family can have a little bit of people. knowing that that's done. And I think they figures like, well, even if it doesn't all make total sense, like, well, maybe he's remembering something wrong. You know, they can justify anything. But yeah, it's just getting, it's turning the red to black. And that's it. And it also just seems like, this is my own opinion, that they were like just doing it to, I don't

know, escape the actual work they were supposed to be doing. You know, because they're just hanging out with Henry Lee Lucas all goddamn day. Well, the thing is about a lot of these murders is, you know, these are, you know, these are, A lot of these murders, like, they're not coming from Milwaukee, you know, or fucking Detroit or anywhere where murder is like a daily occurrence. Like, they're coming from small towns all over Texas where a fucking woman shows up with their fucking head chopped off and they're like, what do we do? Yeah. Like, they'd never investigated a murder in their lives. Yeah, there's three cops in the town.

They don't, no. In my town, there was one. And he was also the school janitor. Yeah, so he needed his time really spent on grooming those kids. I can't be in the street When there's all this poo-poo to arrest You give me smaller cuffs Hey Greg was all right

We had our differences But he was all right I'm mopping up this crime You know it is a crime I'll pee on the toilet seat little Jimmy You know I could take you down To the station and put cuffs on you And sit you with rapist Ronnie

You remember him? He used to teach Jim. So, yeah, these Texas Rangers, they're running the SASPRA. And they think that they're helping, but they're also very much enjoying being the people who are helping these cases to be solved. You know, their chests are puffed up. And, you know, the Texas Rangers is a complicated organization. Oh, I bet. It's known to be highly racist, extraordinarily so.

It's known to be corrupt. It's known to have fucked up. many things throughout the years. It's done a lot of good. That's just a baseball team. I mean, yeah, they used to be owned by a war criminal. Yeah. But Texas Rangers, they got gray hats.

Yeah. Great hats. Yeah, Statsons. Love their hats. Love their belts. They do wear two belts. One for their pants, one for the gun. I think we're a huge badge sewn onto the shirt.

Yeah, I don't like that either. Come on. You know what? You know what? Texas Rangers, I like it. I like it. I like it, Texas Rangers. We also, we might have some Texas dates coming up soon, but just remember that.

But if there's one, if there's one word I would use to describe a lot of the Texas, especially the Texas Rangers, they interviewed in the documentary series, arrogant would be the word that I'd use. Very, very arrogant, very full of themselves, very much full of purpose, and they don't really give a shit. If they know what's what, they know what's what, and they're going to tell you what's what. And you don't have, you ain't going to argue with me because I know, man, when he looks me and I, I know when he's telling the truth. Henry Lucas, he was telling me the truth. I know he's telling me the truth because the devil can't lie to an angel. But the truth, I honestly think, though, it's a funny joke, but I do think that there is a concept here of, so Henry Lee Lucas, I feel like a lot of media

and even just life in general, you see how far someone's willing to go if they see the role they're meant to take. Yeah. Right. So like Henry Lee Lucas, while he wasn't a savvy man, man. He did understand now. 87 IQ. Yeah, he was, he was legally stupid. And so he went to, understand he's getting good things out of this, right? So he has a very easy up and down game about why he is confessing to all these things, which we basically have considered it's because he got to sit in a place where they gave him cigarettes and milk shakes. Yeah, and he got to stay off death row. And he got to stay off death row and I think that's important. And he went on field trips all the fucking time.

But then when he... Remember from the last episode, my dad saw him on one of the field trips. Yes. But then when he took the role of the world's worst serial killers, it's very important

for the police to back up the role. Because then what they then do is see, this all fosters just how powerful and wise our justice system is. Not only have we effectively caught one of the worst monsters

to ever live. And he's now spilling his guts because we've hacked him open and he's here and this shows you what justice does. And so they're feeding into a fantasy as well that puffs them up and it makes them want to work.

It makes them like act big. And it also helps to, I think it really, for a lot of them, help to alleviate the chaos of the 70s. Oh yeah. Just how horrible, you know, the murder rates were and how horrible the crime rates were in the 70s.

I say it again and again, but we can't imagine how bad it really was. in America during the 1970s. And I think with them taking Henry Lee Lucas and having him say, like, I did this murder and that murder and that murder and him saying, like, I did over 300

murders. Like, they could rest a little easier. And no one's like, okay, one of the... Super bad guys, gone. There's one guy. There's one guy out there that's responsible for all of this chaos. It's not like it's 360 guys that are responsible for all this chaos.

It's one guy. It's just one bad apple. So that way they can also feel a little, they can feel a little bit better about America, they can feel a little bit better about society, you know, if it's just one guy instead of, you know, 300. And that's why I think with the 300, I actually think a lot of the program

to kill stuff got, it shows the power of be careful of who you pretend to be because we are who you pretend to be. Because Henry Le Lucas, his series of confessions, made somebody like Dave McGowan say, there's no way that idiot could have done

all of this in one way. So Now, he's now definitely sure that he was trained by the fucking government to kill because how else could that moron kill that many people for such a long period of time and such a scattered sense of the MOs. It makes him feel more correct. So in the end, it's just like idiots, being idiots, being idiots going all the way down the row. Exactly. But that also, but being an idiot, I mean, remember famously Gary Ridgeway's IQ is lower. The thing is his is 82. Well, he was special.

All right? And he was born just good at it. He was a prodigy. He was like Babe Ruth, you know, same IQ. Babe Ruth used to drink scotch and eat hot dogs for breakfast and people were like, what a badass. And I was like, I think he just thought it was brown water and that's what you ate. But Gary Ridgeway made sense. You know, he killed every one of his victims in one corridor in the Pacific Northwest.

Henry Lucas didn't make any sense, you know, all the different ways that he, you know, killed people or supposedly killed. kill people confess to killing people. And he had, you know, there were 20 different victim types. That doesn't happen either. You know, just nothing about Henry Lucas made sense. Back to, like, way back to this cop that's coming down from Dallas. She goes down and she shows him all these bogus case files. And he, of course, every single one of them, he's like, yep, yep, yep.

And they're like, this guy's full of shit. And so the DA from Waco, brings Henry Lee Lucas up, and he's starting to see the same thing. Like, he's asking questions of Henry Lou Lucas, and he's also seeing, okay, this guy is absolutely full of shit, but this DA, Vic Fiesel, he is ambitious. Like, this is a guy who's, you know, DA is the first step in stone. Like, he's got ambitions possibly for, you know, governor. You know, they said this guy could have been president.

They said, like, one guy said he was Bill Clinton before Bill Clinton. Like, he could have got there. So he's looking for the photo op. And he's looking for the photo op. President Feasel? I don't know. Yeah, President Feasel. I don't know if I like the names. Rhymes with Weasel.

Feasel to Weasel. He's not even making it to govern. What if he was an artist? You could have been Feasel the Easel. Yeah, guess what he's not. He didn't choose that. That would help. He chose this.

And that didn't help. But, yeah, he decided that Henry Lee Lucas was going to be what he made his name on. But that's the thing that in order to do that. he had to go against the Texas Rangers. Yeah. And the problem with going against the Texas Rangers is that at the time, the head of the Texas Rangers, the job that man had had, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but the job he had before that was deputy FBI director under Jay Edgar Hoover.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Cointel Pro had been one of his big things. I feel that he might not be a super reasonable man. he might have a strong sense of self. Yeah, he's definitely not a man that you cross. No. He's definitely not a man that you cross. But no, this was the guy who was, you know,

the programs that he was a part of, you know, all the harassment of Martin Luther King, the harassment of like John Lennon, all the break-ins, RFK, all of the blackmail, all the horrible shit. And so he retired to being the head of the Texas Rangers? Yes. He went from,

Because I think he got, if I remember correctly, he like went when Congress found out about Cointel Pro and they're like, this is bad. You shouldn't be doing this. He's like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go down to Texas. You know, I don't need to heat here in D.C. I got to go downwards, easy and breezy. Central Texas. Yeah.

No, if Florida is where, you know, horrible people go where no one cares, Texas is where horrible people go and people are really into it. So, yeah, this guy's the Texas... Yeah, he was the head of Texas Rangers at the time. And so he basically destroyed Vic Fiesel's life. Yes. I mean, he, like, what did he do? Like, he killed his dog. Yeah, they poisoned his fucking dog.

And then went through his whole house, right? Didn't he just, like, see, they threw a bunch of bullshit charges on him? Yeah, and then they just, like, tore his house apart. Yeah. They went through his... He said everything in his freezer they opened up and threw on the floor. Because his essential job was that he would become Henry Lee Lucas's lawyer, right? Isn't the idea that eventually he becomes Henry Louis Lucas's lawyer?

Fiesel does. And the goal really was to prove that he was full of shit. Yeah, the goal was to prove that Henry Lucas was full of shit. That's so funny to go into because, let me remind me, because Henry Lee Lucas, as he was going through, he ended up copping to the fact that he didn't maybe know, right? Yeah. Towards the end of his life.

the Henry Lee Lucas was, he was saying, like, I don't know if I did that next. Well, that's the thing is that when Vic Fiesel brought him to Waco, it's like 84, 85, he said them that, I didn't kill nobody. And he's like, I killed my mother and that's it. And then Fiesel was trying to hide him from the Rangers. Yeah. Yeah, who were using him. Yeah.

Yeah. Rangers were using him. So, well, that's what the Texas Rangers say is that like, yeah, you put him in front of the Texas Rangers, he's going to want to please the Texas Rangers. You put him in front of a DA who said that he doesn't want him to be a murderer and he's going to try to please him. So he's going to say he didn't do it. I actually think they're not necessarily wrong.

I think he's just saying whatever. As long as someone's smiling at him and not going like, Henry, get out of that dumpster. He seems to just be like, he's my friend. Also, anything to stay off a death row. But that's the thing is that when the Texas Rangers took Henry Lee Lucas back, he kept saying like, no, I didn't do it. I lied about all that stuff. I didn't do that.

Not all. Not that. That wouldn't me. And the Otisdl shows up, Eat with me. He ha, heha, heha. Who then, I guess he just absolved everything. He just threw everything to Henry.

Yeah. And Henry Lucas, he actually, from that point forward, would say, like, yeah, I didn't do any of these. He said, I killed my mother, and that was it. But that was the weird thing about it is that he would say he killed his mother and that was it. But what kicked all this off, of course, was that he was able to take police to his,

remember his little hitchhiker, Becky. Yes. Audustle's cousin, the 11-year-old girl that came along with him, is that he was able to take police directly to Becky's body. Yeah, he definitely did that. But that was the weird thing is that after he talked to Vic Fiesel and came back from that, he's like,

I only killed my mother. I never killed Becky. And that was one of the incredible fucking parts of the story later on. So like after like Vic Fiesel, he went through hell. I mean,

they hit him with a bunch of bogus charges and, you know, it turned out. City was taking bribes. City was taking bribes for DWI, like lighter DWI sentences. Put him under racketeering, all that shit.

Everything. And so he went to trial for it. Like fully went to trial. Yeah, he went all. And he exonerated himself. He was found not guilty. And then he decided to have a liable case, like file a liable case against the television station that had run like a big eight-part investigative report about him. Yeah.

And through like a bunch of FOIA requests and subpoenas and all kinds of shit, he found out that the government had gone to a bunch of local lawyers in Waco and it pressured them into testifying that Vic Fiesel had taken bribes from them. Like, they brought dudes from the IRS into the room and be like, so, uh, you give money to Vic Feasel? I'm like, no, I don't know about it. They're like, uh, this guy here at the IRS really wants to know if you took money from Vic Feasel. And these guys ended up testifying like, yeah, I took money from Vic Feasel or I gave money to Vic Feasel, you know, because of-No shit to get their clients off. Yeah, to get their clients off. Yeah, and then they got caught.

Yeah, and they got caught. And it was also discovered that the Texas. Rangers were working in conjunction with the news channel where the news channel had showed up and taken care like the news channel had met the Texas Rangers at a hotel and the Texas Rangers had given them all these bogus files on Vic Feasel and said like go after him and they ran this big 11 part series yeah like once a week they would do like a special on the news about something evil that Vic Feasel was doing yeah and then after that once the charges were brought up like the grand jury the only evidence the grand jury was shown to indict vic

vizal for bribery and racketeering was the fucking 11 part news report that was done on him oh man and so five months they were there that's the only thing they really showed him yeah five months and help henry le lucas that's the fucking problem vic that's the fucking problem buddy you should have used that for anybody else. Why him? Well, I don't know if he was wanting to help. Like, it was, I think it was a publicity. Honestly, I think it was a publicity stunt that got out of hand.

Oh, it sounds like it. He wanted the photo op. And he wanted the, he wanted to be able to say, like, I'm going up against corruption. I beat the Rangers. Well, I'm going up against corruption in Texas. I'm rooting out corruption in Texas. And he, you know, he's stumbled onto something crazy. Yeah.

But he's also 32 years old at the time. Yeah. Like, he's just, he's a baby. Yeah, man. He doesn't know what the fight. Yeah, 32-year-old baby. I know how that is. I'm just the 40-year-old child myself.

I'm in with my wiener, pissing my pants. Imagine taking on the fucking FBI and the Texas Rangers at 32. 10 years ago. Where were you? 10 years ago, just imagine. I could see me doing that like on, like taking on both, like from a 7-Eleven. You know what I mean? Like being chained to a fucking slurpy machine.

Yeah. And so Vic Fiesel, of course, he wins the liable suit and wins the largest liable settlement in history. It's in the Guinness Book of World Records. What is it? 58 million? Yeah, buddy. But that's from the news channel and the news reporter. He wasn't allowed to, you're not allowed to sue the Rangers or the FBI.

Oh, good for them. Yeah, they have governmental immunity. Oh, that's good for them. Yeah. So they can totally destroy your life and you can't do anything about it. Well, that's why we're big fans here of the tech. Texas Rangers. And just so you know, you get 10% off your speeding ticket at the Texas Rangers website.

If you could put in the code, last pod 90. And so Big Feasel, after he goes through all of this shit, like he resigns from the DA's office. Like I think he did like, especially after you get that paycheck. Why am I putting myself through this? Oh, my God. He made himself an injury law firm. Yeah. He literally said, fuck this.

I'm just going to go back to broken legs and fucking getting your vagina burnt. Well, he decided that he was going to represent Henry Lee Lucas for a little while. Like, I don't think he did it pro bono. Oh, me, of course, because, I mean, was he going to get paid in? Stories? Milkshakes. Yeah. Teet.

Oh, man, by the time Big Feasel came around, he only had three or four of them love. He's right. Yeah. Honestly, if you could just keep it to the soup. That'd be pretty good. Can we stop our hell and hearty? That's the amazing thing about Henry La Lucas. Because when he got to be an old man, he looked like, you know how some old men look like massive babies?

He does. He looks like a huge, toothless baby. He looks like a shaved care bear. It really is gross. He's Winnie the U. That's what he looks like. He is gross. And it's hard because, I mean, honestly, even in, I think in jail they get you dentures.

You know, it's like he refused. I don't know, but the middle of Texas. I don't know what they give you. What is it about some people just not? You went to Huntsville right after them. Can I ask side stories? Side stories, L-P-O-T-L-G-M-L-G-Mell.com. Why do some people just choose not to get dentures?

Yeah. And just go full-on mouthbone to mouthbone? They could be very uncomfortable. Yeah. And, you know, maybe if they weren't so lazy, they'd still have teeth. That's true. I don't think, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless you've lost your teeth due to, like, some form of accident, poisoning.

Yeah. I guess drug use. But if they're just popping out, man, that's not good, he was concerned with losing his teeth. No, he wasn't. Because you know who didn't complain? Otis. Yeah.

Oh, Adis just knew that teeth were just getting the way of dick. That's why he was a fucking proper man. Oh, my God. Well, that's the thing. Is that Vic Fiesel, he got to be Henry Lee Lucas's defense attorney. And they were eventually contacted by, a woman who claimed to be Becky Powell. Supposedly, the little girl that Henry Lee Lucas murdered all those years before.

And since Henry Lee Lucas had been proven a liar on so many of his confessions, it seemed like, well, maybe he lied about killing Becky as well. So let's check this woman out. They go down, you know, Vic Fiesel interviews this woman. She's very convincing. She knows all these, you know, details about Henry Lee Lucas's childhood. and she knows all these details about, you know, Becky Powell's childhood, about her relatives or house, everything.

And then they bring her to Texas and there's this massive, like, they bring CNN in to talk to this woman and saying, like, they bring her in, you know, because she does a lie detector test and the guy who runs the test, is like, this is Becky Powell 100%. They bring CNN, huge deal, massive deal. And so Vic Fiesel figures, I'm going to make another run. the Texas Rangers. Like, I'm going to make them look like fucking idiots with this woman.

And then the Texas Rangers say, like, all right, let's put her under oath. See what she says. And when he said, when he heard put her under oath, he's like, let's double check. Let's all think about this for a second. Are we really going to make this a visual? Don't we just like planning? Yeah. Don't we just like the meetings?

That's really why I even email so I can talk to you, Sheriff Anderson. So he sits Becky down for, or quote unquote, Becky down for a real serious conversation. And while he's talking to Becky trying to get her to tell the truth, his wife goes through Becky's luggage and finds a big stack of letters from Henry Lee Lucas. Now, who's the real detective here? Seems like that's real detective work. That's how you find out because it's hard. We keep threatening it. But I'm just really kind of booked it up.

Like the idea of professional liars. Like people who lie, even if it hurts you, are so fascinating to me. Like the people that do it just straight up for essentially attention. Yeah. Like I don't know why. Like just stick yourself into the story. Like there's something about it. Maybe it's because like maybe you look at Henry L Lucas.

Maybe it's like you think he reminds you a grandpa or you reminds you something. There's just something about him that you want him. He thinks he's cute He doesn't... Nah, when he was confessing He didn't look like grandpa. He looked like uncle. Oh, yeah.

He looked like Uncle Henry, but not in a good way. He had Kevin Klein hair for a while. You see him? He was very wavy, yeah. He had very wavy hair. He had kind of a Chris Christopper sitting... He did. He did.

Well, there was a really interesting part of that documentary that was... It talked about his... Like, what psychiatrists said about him and what they found out. about Henry Lucas mentally and like what his mental illnesses were. And they said that there's a concept called confabulation. Yeah.

Where people, some people that, you know, suffer from this have gaps in their memory, like massive gaps in their memory. Can't do anything about it, can't see anything. Like they just have these massive gaps. And what they do is they fill in the gaps with stories. They fill in gaps with fantasy that comes from themselves. They'll fill in the gaps. Especially if they're wanting to please someone,

if someone is telling them a story, they'll fill in the gaps to please the person that they're talking to. Of course. Because that makes that other person happy. And they said, like, Henry Lee Lucas's, like, rate of confabulation was off the charts. They said it was, like, just, they'd said they'd never seen anything, like, seen a person like that, where they just, you know, they just pop in the details. and that's why he was so convincing for so long for these people.

And that's the thing is it's that he had that convincing aura about him. But the Texas Rangers, like, they, I don't think they, the men, I think the men that were really involved in this and the sheriff, there was Texas Rangers, there was also sheriffs, there was one sheriff that, you know, had fucking five murders in his county that were just sitting there on his conscience that, you know, couldn't do anything about him at all, just five fucking murders in a place

where like murders did not happen. Yeah. Yeah. And what do you do? And so Henry Lee Lucas became like, they became friends because Henry Lee Lucas would confess. He confessed to all of these murders. You know,

and it came out that one of the murders was, um, not a murder at all. The woman had a seizure while she was driving. Oh yeah. So that doesn't count. She had a seizure while she was driving and she drove her car into a fucking quarry or something like that. Yeah, because they found her body in the water. Yeah, they found her

body in the water and they found the necklace that she was wearing. And that was the things that that's how they knew that the cops were feeding him information is, and I mean, this is just one example out of, you know, a dozen of them catching cops feeding him information is that this woman, you know, had a seizure while she was driving and drove into a fucking lake. And Henry Lee Lucas was able to describe the necklace that she was wearing that day. which there was... Would have been completely impossible. Completely impossible.

Yes. For him to know what that woman was wearing when she had a seizure and drove into a fucking quarry. Yeah. And that happened again and again. And he was probably on the other side of the country at that point. Yeah, I think he was in Tallahassee. Yeah.

And it's just like, I feel all these time where he's claiming where he's doing murders and he doesn't remember what he did on those days, he's probably just on the side of the road drinking with Audust Tool. He literally was just getting cornhold man. He was just getting turned over and over again by that horrible, horrible man. And the two of them together, you know what? Love's never horrible. And I have to remember that.

If there's love there and there's so much violence that we celebrate, Marcus celebrates. It's not celebrated. The fact that love can't be celebrated. Yeah, this is the thing, but the fact that we don't, like, because that's what this should all be. about this entire series should be about Otis Tool finding Henry Lee Lucas and what that was like for him

I mean when you see videos of the two of them together talking the way they look at each other they're the only the it's almost like the Eiffel towered dead girl next to each other you know what I mean in a way that bond comes it's like two busboys who get too close you're like we're going to have to fire one of these guys

yeah they're plotting they're plotting now See, on his tool, what I also like when I was watching a bunch of interviews of him, he sits like Dame Maggie Grace. Like he sits like, what's her name? Maggie Smith? She's dead. Yeah. But he sits like her.

Yeah, she's fucking dead. You know who can say. Has that really? Yes. Yep. She confessed he came back from the dead. Killed her. Yeah.

Killed Chris Christofferson. Killed the guy from Beverly Hills cop that just... Tackert? No. He killed Tagger? He killed Dagger. He killed Dagger. Yeah.

Pete Rose died. Yeah, without his final vindication about how cheating is okay. Speaking of sports, Tennessee Titans 6, Miami Dolphins 3. Ooh. A lot of tools. Boring fucking game. Two minutes left in the second, wow, two minutes left in the second quarter, and it's six to three. Between a team that's 0 and 3 and a team that's one and two.

God damn. What a hard Monday night football. What is it come to? You kind of look like Taggart, Rob. Yeah, you do look a little bit like Taggart. Like a young Taggart? I don't know if this is a cop one, Taggart. It is.

Oh, it is. Family else cop one, Taggart. I'm telling you, we get you a tan suit. Yeah, we should dress him up like a little police detective. Actually, if we ever need to pretend like someone's a police detective, it's going to be you. Yeah. Yeah. You could see Judge Reinhold. Yeah.

Hey. I'm Eddie Murphy. That's right. Well, the big thing that came out of all of this, as far as Henry Lee Lucas goes, is that really like the nail in the coffin for Henry Lee Lucas being the most prolific serial killer of all time was the advent of DNA testing. Oh, sure. You mean proof? Yes, proof and evidence? Yeah, sure.

Because there was not a single bit of forensic evidence to tie him to any murder. Because another thing, going back to Dave McGowan for a bit and the program to kill people, the only person whose death sentence he commuted while he was governor was Henry Lee Lucas. Oh, and Osama bin Laden. Yeah. Hey, we just trained him and paid him and gave him stuff and taught him how to be really good at what he did. Yeah. That's all he did, Eddie. That's all we did.

That's all we did. That's all we do. That's it. Sort of let him do it. And provided incredible aviation schools in Florida for his team. Honestly, it's huge. Yeah. But the reason why George W. Bush,

community his sentence, he actually held a press conference, was because the evidence against Henry Lee Lucas for the crime that he was convicted for, the orange socks killing, the one that he was sent to death row for. The evidence was not there. All they had was his confession, and that was it. And it was actually provable that he was in Florida at the time of the Orange Sox killing. There was like a, I think with that one, I think it was, it might have been a paycheck or something like that. Yes, that was the one with the paycheck that pretty much show that he could not have physically been where the murder happened.

Yeah, yeah. So he did sort of, he did it, I guess, right. I mean, you know, of all the people. But, you know, Henry Ler-Lucah, again. He's just sitting there just, you know, Bush is running for president at the time. He wants to look like a good guy. He was just about, yeah.

Someone tipped him off. Of all the people to look like a good guy off. There's so many. There's other people. Yeah, Carla Faye, you could have pardoned Carl Faye talk. We talked about this. But the black-pilled folk, the Dave McGowan folk, the program to kill folk, say that the reason why George W. Bush community's sentence was because Henry Lee Lucas. Was CIA.

Yeah, he was CIA. UCIA. But guess what? If they wanted to help him, really, Lucas, you know what they would have done? They would have shot him in the back of the head 30 years ago. That's what they would have done. They would have shot him in the back of the head because guess what? If there's one thing that that man

says, I love a strawberry milkshake but it doesn't make you a good assassin. I feel like there's something about him being probably one of the most flippable people that ever... He's like, Trump, where you go, every movement, he believes the last thing anybody's, says to him.

Otis Tool, he thought Otis Tool was the sexiest man in the world. That's who you want to work for you? He looked at Audit's tool and he was like, yes, please. I want two slices of it. Come in my mouth. Is Otis Tool still alive? No. He died in 96. He died of 49 of cirrhosis

and he died. Man, it is funny. He just is such a fancy Southern mentally handicapped woman. I've never seen he looks like if what's her name from fucking gone with the wind, like the big hat

and stuff. If she was special needs, that's how he sits. Like he's got like a big fucking like lacy what's it umbrella? What they call? Parasol. Yes, I do declare I will

kiss the snake. Yes. I knew I was gay when I was an embryo. I snared out my mama's pussy and I say, ew. And really, Lucas, eventually they started testing all of these DNA samples that they found, you know, all these DNA samples that have been around for, you know, 30 years. And they started testing them against prisoner databases in Texas and various other states. And they just started getting hits, just hit after hit after hit.

You know, and really famous cases, too. like big ones that people made a really big deal about when Henry Lee Lucas's sentence was commuted. There was a group they called themselves Volt, like victims of Lucas tragedies. Oh, wow. And they were like very much like they were pissed off at George W. Bush for commuting his sentence. Like this guy needs to fucking die. He killed my sister. He killed my mother.

So on and so forth. Yeah, we've already propped up this whole thing that he's quote unquote murdered hundreds and hundreds of people. Now you're saying sorry. Yeah. There were literally people like family members who. at appointments to watch them die. Of course. Yes, very much so.

And that gets so hard. They never rebook. So hard. COVID pushed so many executions. They're still making them up. It's so hard. 30% recidivism. We're going to bring these back outdoors.

So these people, like these poor people, like they had to be told like, hey, so yeah, it wasn't Henry Ler Lucas, it was actually this other guy. But we caught this other guy. Sometimes they would catch them, not every time. But they would have to say, like, no, it wasn't Henry Luce. And then when one woman, like her sister, when it was said, like, no, it wasn't Henry Luka. Like, the other people started looking into their own family members' cases. And they started seeing like this one woman saw it.

It's like it was kind of like with the necklace. She started reading through Henry Lleucus's confession. and she saw that he said that the woman, her mother had a watch bracelet on when he killed her. And then she remembered, no, we told the police that she was wearing the watch bracelet when she left that day. But they had actually found the watch bracelet in a jewelry box like a couple years later. So it shows it's a part of the reason why we talk about a lot on last podcast that serial murder is extremely. extremely difficult to prosecute and put together a case. Yes.

Because it shows the gap and how hard it is to figure out a quote-unquote motiveless crime. Because 95% of homicides are done for direct, specific, practical reasons, and they're done by people that know you. It is such a small percentage of people that get murdered by somebody that they don't know. And it's an even smaller percentage that it was done by a CIA. trained assassin with four teeth. Like it's legitimately, like it's extremely small. So it's funny in that way.

They were trying to, it actually speaks just much forward. It was because it wasn't one man killing 300 people. It was 300 people killing one person each. Much worse. And it's much, it's much more difficult to do. It also just shows how many times, you know,

how many times does somebody kill somebody badly? and like get it out of their system. How many times that happened? How many times it's like they don't become a serial killer? They're like, Eddie Kemper talked about it. When he first killed, he was so disturbed at first at how difficult it was that it challenged him. It challenged his urges.

And so like you kind of wonder how many people are straight up just serial killers, wannabes, and they walk around and they kill somebody and they mutilate their corpse and at the end of it, they're like, and this isn't either. You know what I mean? And they literally, God, I thought it was going to be golfing. I thought it was going to be Nandallas.

But it's not, and it's not this either. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then they just leave and they leave town. They're just some drifter, all the trucker killers, all the shit. Well, there was actually one of those guys. It was exactly what you're talking about. They found him through DNA.

They found, you know, it was semen in the panties. And they tested his DNA. And there was a hit on the, uh, did, I don't know why, like, you're trying so hard to not laugh right now. It was just something about. Seamen in the panties. I also, I mean, I know it's awful. It just came out too smoothly. The semen of the pants.

I don't know. So it's me? No, I don't know. I heard it. I was, I was, I laughed in my head. Let me tell you, child. Henry sniffled. If you don't look into me, father, don't put the semen in the panty.

That's what it is, I think. Yeah. When the semen in the panty, you know, you got to do the bill. Cosby accident. I know, there's just no other way. The sameers, there's no Yeah, yeah. There's just no other way to say it.

Underwear. Underware. It's the word panties. It's just, it shouldn't be. It's just that's what I can do about it. Documentary and that's just that's what they said over and over you go. Seamen in the panties. Seamen in the panties.

Seamen in the panties. I can't wait for that. Someone to clip that out and make it an EDM song. So three. Through that evidence. Evidence. They were able to find a guy who had gone to prison for something else. And, you know, in Texas, when you go to prison, you know, they do the swab.

And they put you in the database. And they brought him in saying, like, hey, you need to do a meeting with your parole officer. And it turns out, hey, here's a couple of cops. And so they start talking to him about it. And the guy is, like, visibly starting to get, like, once he knows what he's there for, he's like visibly upset because what the crime had been is that he these kids had run out of gas girl or boyfriend and they were walking down the road this guy picks them up he drives him down the road the kid tries running he shoots the boy uh and then six times in the head six times in the

head and then he rapes and shoots the girl and this guy was just fucking mortif like he was it was like weighing on him. It was the only time he'd done it. He was the only, it was in, it was 30 years before. It was like 1978 or some. It was 30 years before. And he was like he probably fantasized about it for so long and then it quote unquote fell in his lap and then he did it and then he was like, oh no.

Yeah, this is it. This is a very bad thing to do. This feels really bad. Yeah. I don't like this. But that's not good. That's good. That's good. But you got to think about that. Before. Before you. the two children.

Yeah. That's what I'd say. Yeah, you got to go ahead. That's me, though. I think about stuff. You just got to go ahead and decide, like, okay, I know. Like, you're not going to, let's not roll the dice on whether or not it's going to feel. Play Buck Hunter.

Like, that'll get it out of your system, maybe. I think that that's like one of those things that could help. I wonder how many people are alive because of Buck Hunter today. I mean, just ask me. You know, how many people that I haven't killed. The details that really disturbed me about that story. The semen in the panties. was the fact that her father drove by the two of them walking on the highway.

Yeah. And then he didn't think anything of it because he didn't recognize it as his daughter, but later on he realized that he did dry past him. It's extremely sad, Eddie. Yes. And a great way to end. Well, I'll end on maybe a better note. Okay.

Actually, I don't know if this is a better note. But they so far have found 20 cases that Henry Lee Lucas confessed to that have now been linked to other people. through DNA. No, I think that's good news. That's 20 out of 200? 20 out of, yeah, between 2 and 300, I think is how many cases they actually closed. But in terms of closure rates, it's not too bad.

That's crazy. 20? Yeah. 20%, 10%. But it's just, yeah, but that's just murders, you know? Like, they just, that's just hits that they fucking did. But the vast majority of the Henry Lee Lucas cases have not been reopened. And never will be.

You know that they never will be. In 2022, the average clearance rate for homicides and police departments across the country is 52.3. Yep. Wow. Straight up half get solved. So 20%. I mean, especially for something from fucking 40 years ago, based off the lies of a buck-toothed. But that's the thing.

They're just running DNA. Yep, that's it. It's not even there. It wasn't even investigating. And way too we get to chimera DNA. And we find out if we actually have only one set of DNA. or not. We'll find that out soon, probably at some point. That's so exciting.

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