Last Podcast On The Left - Last Update on the Left - Episode 2 - Enfield Poltergeist Strikes Back

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

In a council house in London, horrifying things were happening to a mother and her two daughters between the years of 1977 and 1979… But was it GHOSTS? Or just a very bored, very clever little girl? In this episode of the Last Update on the Left, Marcus, Henry, and Ed revisit the Enfield Poltergeist, originally discussed in Episode 279 of Last Podcast on the Left. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

That's when the cannibalism started You're about to gonna get go get right I we gonna get a bit of ready then We're gonna get ready to be back. We get ready to cut to call then 14 years still hasn't improved. Well, I mean In his whole life Theater training they like sat down and they're like this is a British accent He's a British accent was it like this in murder fist like would you ask him like hey Henry? We need a British character for this this sketch... Still better than mine. It is. Yeah.

Boy, I got the end of this, kid! I did! Is that what you want to hear? That's the thing. So he gets the part. Yeah, yeah. Indignantly just a British man with a head injury in IBS. Welcome to the last update on the left, ladies and gentlemen.

Whoa, you changed the name of it! Last update on the left. Whoa! I changed it. I put a different word in there. It's not like we haven't done that before with two other things Hey, it is an extremely original name for a brand new show. Yeah. Yeah, it's not last comic book on the left No, not last dream on the left. It is it it's not last On the left or last book on the left. Yes, or maybe hopefully one day last TV show on the left Yeah, or last pornography on the left. Oh Finally, we made that hmm. Have we made that not publicly?

You guys you know, I can't tape me having sex I mean I do truly one day I'd somewhat pray for the porno parody. You remember the transmetropolitan porno parody? Yes. I somewhat. This ain't last podcast on the left, triple X would be. Can someone do it? I bet it exists. And someone's private collection.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Between him and two other very questionable men. And have you ever been privy to any of the slash fic? The last podcast slash fic people have written? No. I'll send you some. It's disgusting. Yeah.

It's not good. All right. Yeah. I'll read it just for fun. Do you want to read a detailed description of Henry and I making love? And like romantic love? Yeah.

Like making love. Not fucking. It's nothing like. I wish it was dirty. It's really weird. I don't, but I do. Yeah, sure. I wish it was dirty. It's really weird like I don't but I do yeah sure Now this is not the only haunting thing we're gonna talk about today No, we are coming back to a subject when did we cover the Enfield Poltergeist back in the day?

I would I think it's 2016 20 26 I know I was in LA. I know I was already in LA and we've decided to revisit this topic for a new series because a Series came out for Apple Plus was good. I believe it just called the Enfield poltergeist. Yeah, right It doesn't have any sir titles. It's not like Enfield poltergeist when raglong goes for you Also, thank you big shout out to the losererville Animation guys that animated a bit, the rag long bit from the original Enfield Poltergeist series in which I portrayed the mother of the family as a woman with crooked back and broken ankles and a big bucket filled with

dirty wash water and that's mostly what she did. She said, I'll wash and grind every day. I'll get open my cabine. I'll make a bane for my daughter. And then like you know, but then when you watch the documentary you realize she did sound quite a bit like that. Yeah, she was very close to that. So, loserville animation our our exhibition of this woman's behavior was actually quite accurate. Yeah, it's quite accurate. I like you saying that with a straight face and you're staring at me like I told you that it wasn't quite accurate.

I feel that there are, again, there are bigger truths inside of fiction. And that's somewhat not, I wouldn't say the point of this series, but there is, you know, with the Enfield Poltergeist documentary, it's definitely talking a lot about how there is much more to, I guess, paranormal investigation than we can really understand as far as going through and like figuring out what exactly happens with these investigations and what the proper way to do these investigations are. What do you want to do? Give them a quick run up. Sure.

Just to remind everybody what the Enfield Poltergeist is and kind of why again. And then we'll get to why. Sure. The reason for the season. This is everyone's favorite barking ghost. Oh, I thought it was Oliver Angie Harmon's dog. Really sad. Really sad story we covered this week. Well, the Enfield Poulter Guys case was in 1977 in Enfield, which is I think a suburb of London.

You know, it's a part of London in which this family, a mother and her two daughters and their son briefly, but mostly centered around a mother and her two daughters. The Hodgkin family. Yeah, the Hodgkin family. The Hodgkin family, we moved into 284 Green Street. Yeah, 284 Green Street. And it's like your classic poltergeist haunting where it starts very slow with furniture moving around and then shit starts flying around the room.

With credible witnesses, a cop saw a chair fly, you know, so it's... Menarche is everywhere. Yeah, there's... Menarche hasn't started yet. It hasn't no Menarche is the first period woman. Oh Gives out. Yeah, it did not start with the menarche. The menarche came about halfway through actually cool. Yeah, but Yeah, let me see some of the, let me see the tempin'. Oh, I wish I was your tempin'. But as the haunting went on, the mother called up the Daily Mirror, one of the newspapers,

one of the tabloids in London, in England, and asked like, hey, do you guys know anybody that might know something about this? Yeah, of course, the Daily Mirror did not help them. Instead, sent out a reporter to talk about the case, to talk to the family about the case. And one of the big things before they came was that a lot of LEGO pieces and toys and marbles and shit were flying around. Yeah.

And when the reporter was there, apparently, they were hit with a LEGO piece. Yes. And it could have only come from the other reporter. So either the other reporter was throwing a Lego piece and fucking with this guy, or something paranormal had happened. It really, this is one of the,

now with the documentary, this new documentary that has been released, we are seeing something like 200 hours. Over 200 hours. Over 200 hours. Of recorded activity. Now, this came from the, so after the reporters came and did this story, which I do find really interesting, because even the reporters in the documentary

talk about how freaked out they were when they arrived. At first, like, they thought it was a bullshit assignment. Yeah. And then when they got there, they were like, oh, this is kind of crazy. Things are flying around here. The word that keeps getting used is tension. They said they walk into this house and it feels tense

and it feels crazy. The energy feels crazy in there. They keep talking about it like that. And that got the attention of a paranormal investigator, brand new on the scene by the name of Maurice Gross. Now, Maurice Gross is, I actually now, with the redo of the documentary. I love him. He's a hero.

Yeah. Of paranormal research. He was a skeptic. Well, he was interested, he was not a skeptic. I would say he was not a skeptic. Okay. His daughter died. So his daughter, Janet Gross, died in, I believe,

it was a car accident. It was a motorcycle accident. Motorcycle accident. It was like a year before this case. It was like 1976. Yes, and so his daughter, when she died, it was like, you know, obviously very tragic for him, but then there was an unopened birthday card

that his daughter I'd sent. It wasn't to him, I believe it was to her brother. Her brother, yeah. And in it, it's like when she died, her body, when they found it, she had two giant black eyes because her face had hit the pavement. It was like a part of like the head injury that killed her.

But on the birthday card that she had sent to her family member that was unopened, on the front, it had a person in a hospital gown with bandages around their head and two black eyes that had read, I was going to send you a bottle of toilet water, but the lid fell on my head. Happy birthday. But it was a super strange coincidence and it made Maurice Gross get, he was like, maybe

there's something more to life. Well, it wasn't just that. I mean, it was also the fact that, you know, when they went and saw her in the hospital, she had two black eyes, she had the bandages on her head. And then she had written a little postscript. She had pointed in the birthday card, she put an arrow towards the word head and wrote, and soon there won't be much of that left either.

Wow. And there were all of them. And that wasn't just the only coincidence, or not a coincidence, synchronous. Synchronous. Do you think the motorcycle accident could have been suicide? No.

No. No? No. No, no, no. No, no, no. She was a very happy, loving, she was a very up and up girl. And the other one was like there was a huge drought that year. It didn't rain all summer, but right after she died, the roof above her room was completely wet, although nothing else was wet. There was the fact that at the time that she had the motorcycle accident, it was like 420

PM. I can roll. Yeah, dude. Dude, fuck you. Coincidence, man. Dude, I'm so high up. I'm in the fucking clouds, man. But her mother felt so sick at the beach.

She felt so sick that Maurice almost called an ambulance and a clock at their home that had always worked perfectly stopped at 4.20 PM. Always 4.20 somewhere, man. Is that Maurice? But that got Maurice very ill. At that point, he was like, I need to know if there's something going on here. Because he was a very curious man. He was an inventor

He was a businessman. He just had a curious mind Yeah, he went to the said the Society for Psychical Research just to kind of figure out what else was going on Just in the universe He was super curious and then he was at a meeting like they were talking about they I guess it was like a big Discussion is that they came up, this story. The Enfield case. Yeah, the Enfield came up at a meeting. He was like probably his first or second meeting

at the Psychical Research Meetup group or whatever. And they were like, we got this crazy case, does someone want to cover it? And he was like, I'll fucking go do it. And then this guy, he was a baller, we've covered him, he's fucking, you know, looks great. Big mustache. Oh, yeah.

Looks great. He's got the fucking wax. Wax that fucker off. Exactly what you'd want him to look like. Cherry red sports car. So they always kind of said was like a pop of color because they wasn't in like, it's all brown. Yeah, it looks like he's about to find the jewel of the Nile.

You've discovered so much of the UK is when you're driving between major cities is just brown. It's brown bricks mixed with weird bogs mixed with like an old lady going, mind the sausage, then. Mind it, it's dry and don't put your feet on it. You know what I mean? It's a lot of that. No wonder they wanted to conquer the entire world just to get the fuck out of there. Three days, eight times! Oh, here's North, just call him Oye, we'd go down to Africa! So he embedded himself. So Maurice Gros just started taping everything. And then I guess, like, you know, then Guy Playfair is a very interesting character.

He was, they called him ethereally pale. Like, he was, like, very, very mystical. Like, where I will pull out, I honestly truly believe, Maurice Gross brought the sex. Guy Playfair brought the mystics. Yeah, yeah, he seems strong, too. He's a big guy. Yeah, he's big guy.

Yeah, and Guy Playfair wrote the book that really brought this thing into the world of like, you know serious paranormal research It's called this house is haunted. It's really fucking good. It's great book, you know, and actually this case you'll find this interesting This is a fun little factoid is that this case was where Dan Aykroyd got the name gozer. Oh yeah during one of the name goes or during one of the, um, when guy play for her, I think it was either guy play for her or Maurice gross was talking to the entity that, you know, we'll get into here in a second. He was like, my name is goes hot. And Dan Ackroyd was reading this house as honey. He's like, that's the, that's the name. That's the name of my fucking demon

and ghostbusters. No, the demon had a lot of names though, right? Yeah, because well as Maurice Grosz started... The haunting developed. The haunting developed over time. Like it just kept getting like worse and worse and worse and more people just kept coming in and out of the house. A lot of Brazilian psychics. Yeah.

Guy Playfair... Two Brazilian psychics. A pair of Brazilian psychics. I suppose it's because Guy Playfair, he wrote a book, I think it was called The Flying Cow. It was called The Flying Cow. That was all about how Brazil is the most psychic country. Yeah. He loved Brazil.

He really did. Yeah man, I think he just, he's just like, what's a good British word for beautiful butt? Some of the women around here can be crazy psychic. Can, look at a can. Hiney maybe? No, that's a little too... Oiny! Oh, no, I saw one, eh?

Well, yeah, they had like ventriloquists come in and magicians come in. They were really trying to figure out if Janet was lying or not. Yeah, they really were, but they were also bringing in other psychical researchers. And the main thing was that Bill, so now they believe that there was a connection to this man by the name of William Bill Wilkinson that was a guy who died of a coronary thrombosis at 284 Green Street, and then he was buried on the street.

And there's some people that believe that that might have been the representative of this, kind of like this energy, because then Bill started arriving and Bill started talking. Yeah, and Bill was talking through Janet who was an 11 year old girl and it was this very deep voice like fuck off. Like it sounded like that. It sounded very it was scary. It's a scary voice. It's a good ghost voice. It's a great ghost voice. It's very deep though. It definitely doesn't seem like something a little girl could recreate.

Well, they did bring in a speech therapist to study how this little girl could possibly do it. And she may have been able to do it if she would have been speaking from like the very back of her throat. I mean, it's like expert ventriloquist shit. Very, very difficult. And also impossible for her to do for hours on end

because she would talk in this voice For hours on end and she used to say that it felt as if the voice was speaking from the back of her neck Okay, he said, you know, his name is Bill Wilkinson, you know, he's he was a bit of a he was a little dirty Sometimes you like to say fuck off shit Yeah And he wrote the worry wrote the word shit in the wall in shit Shit off. Yeah, and he wrote the word shit in the wall in shit, and then he did a bunch of other weird stuff

in the guise of, through the body of Janet, quote unquote, if that is true. I find it very interesting, because now, so I guess we can yada yada yada a little bit, is that the whole case got debunked, in a way. Well, by this ventriloquist says that this is a part of the debunking of the story, was that they believe that the girls faked it

and that it was the use of voice throwing and characters and about the diabolical nature of Menarsias, right? And how Menarsias caused a lot of chaos in homes. And now, though, we have this footage. So, one thing I was looking for that I couldn't find is that apparently there was some footage the guy Playfair had that did totally disprove everything. But I can't find everything. I can't find it. I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't heard about this. There was this video that said that there was, I think it was a rumor that there was a video of Janet bending spoons

doing some stuff because they did one reaction because in the poltergeist activity one was one and a lot of classic stuff and so In poltergeist activity you have things like dematerialization stuff that falls from the ceiling It's stuff that comes out of nowhere like it like that. That is like a weird thing. That was like with the Legos Yeah, in this case, they also had coins fall from the ceiling Oh and there was also an instance in which like they actually asked the the poltergeist to make it a red pillow a red cushion disappear and You know they went out of the room came back in the red cushion was gone

And there was some people outside like a crossing guard and a tradesman That said like we were looking at the house because we had heard there was a lot of weird shit going on there and then suddenly a red cushion appeared on the roof of the house without the window open. Yeah, people with no reason to lie. Yeah. People who don't want a ghost in their neighborhood. No, nobody wants. That's the great thing about watching this documentary series is because all of these

people, all these interviews were recorded and all of them as they're talking about it They're not talking about like bro this fucking I was outside Fucking cushion was on top of the house like it was fucking great. No, they're all very crazy I was outside and I saw it was this cushion out there and I don't ever want to see anything like that again Yeah, it's so a bunch ofed. Yes, very haunted British people. Like, again, you know why ghosts feel comfortable there. By the British people that were in this documentary. But the guy, the ventriloquist who supposedly debunked it,

like, that was this guy. He was a famous television ventriloquist. And the Daily Mirror had sent him out there to get another story. Like, basically, this infield poltergeist thing has gone on long enough. Let's put an end to it. Let's get one big story where they say this thing is over.

Because now the BBC had sent somebody in already at this time who had said that they, she believed the BBC reporter straight up says that a chair flew across the room without the child getting out of bed. They are all like, they're all watching. And you hear them talking, you hear her be frightened in the documentary. When the BBC reporter does the thing,

we're being like, I don't know if you can hear Mayann shaking the microphone right now. It's great, it's really creepy. Daily Mirror, they're not really credible, right? No, it's a tabloid. But they sent out this ventriloquist, this TV ventriloquist who just shows up, like pulls up to this like council house

in this poor neighborhood in a limousine. He just like pops out like, ha ha! Hey there everyone! Everybody loves a man who doesn't talk but he's also talking, hey? Come on now, I'm a lawyer professionally. And so he takes the two girls in the room, Margaret and Janet.

Janet is the one who the entire activity is kind of centered around. She's 11 years old. Margaret's a little older. I can't remember exactly how old she is. I think 14, 15. And he closes the doors and he talked to them for a while. Nobody knows what exactly was said in that room.

And he comes out and he's like, okay, I talked to him. I'm getting out of here. And then the next day the Daily Mirror Runs a story in which this ventriloquist claims that the girls told him explicitly Yeah, it was us this whole time. And what if he was doing ventriloquist voice in the room making them say their things to him? What is reality? I don't know dude Because technically if he did make it look as if they were saying it, then he could say with truthfulness in his mind that maybe they said it.

Do you pay to see Jeff Dunham or do you pay to see the puppet? I'm a Terry Fader man, okay? But they brought the girl, like that same day, you know, a guy play fair and Maurice Gross like talked to the girls and like, Hey, what the fuck? Like, what happened here? And in the documentary, you actually, they record this conversation and the girls are like, no, we didn't say that at all.

Margaret, especially, she was like, I didn't know what he was talking about. He was just talking, he was talking about a bunch of things that I didn't understand. He was probably talking about ventriloquism techniques and asking them about like what they knew. And she said, I was thinking about what I had to go, what I had to do in school the next day, and I was nodding off,

literally nodding, and he took that as them saying, yes, we did fake everything. Yes. And why would they say it to a stranger and nobody else? Yeah, why would they choose that moment to say? That fucking grease ball showing up in a goddamn limousine. Yeah. I mean, they'd seen him on TV.

That probably impressed them a little bit. Grease ball showing up in a goddamn limousine. Yeah. I mean, they'd seen him on TV. That probably impressed him a little bit. But why would they choose that moment out of all moments? Like when they know this man is here to debunk them, why choose that moment to just completely change their entire persona, their entire attitude? Like, because he said they were giggling. Yeah, we did it. entire persona, their entire attitude, like, because he said they were giggling, yeah, we did it.

Like, it was just a couple of girls, like, just casually confessing to a prank. It doesn't make any sense at all. I think the Enfield poltergeist is the, because of now the footage that's been released, like, it is extremely compelling about the concept of the psychic nature of the poltergeist mixed with What if something from the outside like an outside intelligence? Hijacks the latent psychic ability of a little girl Yeah, I do actually think that there's something along those lines when you watch this cuz so when they were experimenting like they did all these different experiments on Janet

to try to figure out kind of more so, like, how was she involved? And one experiment they did was that they took a bunch of spoons, because there were obviously bent spoons in this scenario, another very common poltergeist technique. Yeah. And... Why do they need spoons? I don't know, because... It's a whole thing.

It's a whole thing. It kind of, I honestly think it started with Urie Geller, who is way more of the most, that's my opinion. I'm certain that Bending Spoons has been around for a long fucking time, but Urie Geller was the guy that like made it a common trope of people faking psychic activity by Bending Spoons. Quick side note on Urie Geller,

at the end of the documentary, they show like kind of what Maurice Gross like his Paranormal life after Enfield and he it shows a video of him going to visit Yuri Geller at his house and Yuri Geller had a Cadillac that was covered in 2,000 bent spoons Fucking glued or welded tooth that he's, yes, and these are spoons. I bent many of these spoons. Many of these spoons.

It was my brain. It made you smile, right? It's a fun car. It's a spoon. You should see it in my jacket. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, I can't go to the airport. So they asked her, they went and they put out a bunch of spoons and they put sensors on her head. And they asked her to bend the spoons. They said, hey, come bend these spoons.

With her mind. With her mind. And they said, according to these tests, her like, however they decide that your psychic energy is like fluxing, it's some kind of like beta wave, alpha wave, and they're like, she has very strong indications of when we see this type of like, she is, her brain is subconsciously trying to psychically bend the spoon.

Well, she broke the machine. Yes, and she's trying to bend the spoon, it is happening, there is something happening. She is a sensitive, and we don't know if it's just because of that fucking crazy ass menage and the stuff that brings with it, or if it's just you have this kind of weird latent psychic ability and something happened in this house

because it shows, when you were saying at the very top about what it reveals about haunting research and investigations. They are boring. The key for psychic- The patience, yes. Yeah, it's a lot of patience. The key for psychic research

and any form of ghost hunting and stuff is patience. Is that you do have to say, and it is boring, psychic activity is extremely subtle. There's a lot, obviously. We all want the thing. We all want the full on librarian ghost from Ghostbusters. We all want that. But that's just not how it really works. There was a documentary called The House in Between that I loved that is a group of guys that were, they were going, they were researching

this, they were doing a full on crazy, what they called same thing, full embed investigation where they are staying there for days and they have cameras all over the house and it's an extremely boring documentary except it has a piece of the most convincing ghost activity I have ever seen in a documentary and it is boring. It is a ball sitting on a step and you watch this ball jump off the step and go down the stairs. It is not fucking around. It is, it jumps off the step. It makes no sense. And so that's ghost activity. It is about, it's embedding yourself in a psychic scenario.

It's 50% happening outside of this room. It is something, there's something now there's more and more research showing about how consciousness is remote. It's, it's piped in so this is about this This is your guy. I feel like it's in the realm of science that we just don't understand Yeah, and that bill whatever bill was was probably just a an extension of Janet's mind like it's it's I don't know how to kind of put it otherwise, but it's like it's not fully Janet But bill is still sort of made up. Well, that's what Guy Playfair thought.

He thought that Bill was a part of Janet's subconscious. But in 1996, Bill Wilkins, his son got a hold of Maurice Gross, and Maurice Gross went over to this guy's house And played him the tape of him say my name's Bill Wilkins And he's like that's my father like cuz he said my name is Bill Wilkins. I died of a hemorrhage Yeah, and a chair and a chair in the living room. Yeah, I died It's weird that a ghost would know all that. Yeah, I don't know That's how we died, but he said that he died of a hemorrhage

in a chair downstairs. And this guy, he was like, yep, my father was named Bill Wilkins. He died of a hemorrhage in a chair at 284 Green Street. My mother had gone out to the store. She was gone 10 minutes. She came back and he was dead. And then they showed the fucking death certificate

that showed 284 Green Street cause of death. A man named Bill Wilkins did die in that house. She had no idea. Yeah, she had no idea. How would she, but is there a chance like a neighbor told her or something like that? She was like a little girl. Were they still getting his mail? It's like a not, you know, that actually, I mean, that's a good question. But he died in, he died 15 or 13, he died in 63. Okay. Oh, that's a good question. But he died in, he died 15, or 13, he died in 63, I think. Okay, oh, that's far enough away. Yeah, it was far enough away.

She wasn't even alive yet. 14 years later. There was nothing nefarious about him, necessarily. No, not really, and the other cool thing about it is that one of the big poltergeist activities that they had in the house was like, consistently like three knocks on the wall, and the son pulled Maurice Gross that

His father was an air raid warden during World War two You know air raid wardens when you know the Germans would come and start bombing the yeah No, that's just the blitz. That was Africa. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and France. Oh, yeah, they had the blitzkrieg lightning war That's tanks and planes. Yeah tanks and planes planes This is just the blitz the London blitz. Gotcha so when you know the Germans would come bomb the fuck out of London they turn on the air raid and then the wardens would Go outside and they tell everybody to get inside get inside. You know, they were the people that you know saved lives and Both Bill Wilkins and his next-door neighbor who he shared a wall with, were both air raid wardens. So when the air raids would go off,

they wouldn't go over to the door and say like, hey, let's go, they would knock on the wall three times. And that is literally exactly what the neighbors were reporting that they were hearing coming from inside of the house. They were saying that other neighbors were hearing knocks on the walls onto their fucking side. Three times.

So the neighbors were, they shared a wall, it was like a townhouse. Yeah, they shared a wall. It was semi-hatched or whatever the term is. But yeah, they just hear that same shit. And the cool thing about poltergeist knocks, before you get to that, the cool thing about poltergeist knocks is the sound waves are actually different from regular knocks. In regular knocks you get like the big pop on the sound wave right up top and it goes down. But in poltergeist knocks, if you look at the sound wave, the sound begins before the knock. So it's sort of the sound wave

builds up and the knock happens and then it comes back down again. So it's a... You fucking high enough for that dude. You know what that means man? This is fucking 420 on the clock! Yeah it is! No but this is the kind of information you only get from an audio engineer. It's true. One fact toy we're also forgetting was the furniture from the child murderer's house, which I almost forgot

about is that they got a bunch of furniture from the child murderer down the street. A guy had suffocated his young daughter. And the father, her ex-husband, yeah. And they kept the knives, right? Yeah, well the woman's ex-husband just got bought all of the fucking furniture from the little girl, the murder girl's house. It's cheap!

And just filled the house with it. It's very David Copperfield. It's like very David Copperfield. It feels very Charles Dickens. They ain't needin' it. They don't need these dresses no more. They don't owe me these curtains. Yeah, this fabric is cheap just like I expected. Get all their spoons and fuck them up. Yeah, but Maurice Crouse, when he came into the house and they told him about this, he's like, I believe it would be in your best interest to get rid of this furniture immediately. Immediately.

Yeah. And they did, but it wasn't, you know. They didn't do anything. It didn't do anything. And more on the patience that it's required, is that that's, ghosts and psychic activity require silence and space. And also because it's intimate,

though only someone like Maurice Gross and the way he embedded himself within the family can you really see the patterns. And also, you know what's beautiful about the documentary is hearing the emotion that Maurice Gross grew towards the Hodgson family and how much affection he had for the kids. And I'm not, you know, like not licky.

He like became a member of the family. He really did. And after the hauntings, after the pol. And I'm not, you know, like not licky. He like became a member of the family. He really did. And after the hauntings, after the poltergeist activity ended, he didn't stop. He'd go over there like once a month. He'd like bring the kids Maltesers. He'd bring the mom flowers

and he'd just be like, hey, so how's everything going? You guys doing all right? They'd just catch up. He became a family friend. But a part of that is I think that's what it takes to experience what everybody else is experiencing. Because mom and daughter were sharing dreams.

People were they were all kind of sharing phenomena. And it is in some way, I think that it's there is a concrete group psychology thing that is happening. I'm not saying mass hallucination, but I do believe that everybody syncs up in a way that you're all in this area. So you kind of all get on the same wavelength frequency as David Icke would put it more jointly. And we all know how right he is.

We all love his stuff. And then, but something like that where you got to get in there and you can't just show up. So it's like, but it was also this, this case is also specifically interesting because of how many times people arrived and experienced something that weren't a member of the family. But that's the paradox of the way that Maurice Gross did it, because what you're describing as being necessary

in order to investigate these cases was the exact thing that skeptics would say is the reason why none of this is true. Because Maurice Gross becomes it, because he embeds himself in the family, and he becomes too attached to it because the skeptics Yeah, specifically this woman Anita Gregory who is like the biggest one. She's the one biggest opponent against this this entire study She's the one that said that there was the video saying that Janet that I think that all this is conflating

I think that she conflated that with the whatever whatever happened with the venture real quick The thing that make makes me a skeptic about this is also what makes me believe it in a weird way is that the fact that no one really would see it happen, you know, like when his son came in and had to like look at the wall while talking to Bill and stuff like that. Yes. And like, you know, it would go into the, as soon as Janet went in the room, she'd fly around and no one was in there and they couldn't open the door and stuff that makes me think oh This isn't true

But then the other side of me is like if this is a fucking poltergeist torturing this girl What a better way to torture somebody yeah, then to only do it when no one else is around It's called the trickster phenomena. I'll give you a whole book Eddie Yeah, you want to read about why the, quote, quote, capital P. Have other people thought of my brilliant idea before? I know. I'll give you this book, but the capital P phenomena specifically does not want to be measured. It does not want to be quantified.

It does not want you to get your empirical evidence. The whole point is to show that you can't catch it in a goddamn net. But that's what the skeptics always point towards. Sure. Because Anita, people like Anita Gregory say that you have to go into this thing as a complete skeptic. You have to get objective scientific evidence,

completely objective scientific evidence, in order to convince people like her. She looked at the case. She listened to the tapes. She visited the house multiple times. She heard the voice. When she was there, like listened to the tapes, she visited the house like multiple times, she heard the voice, you know, she like when she was there, like Janet, you know, the whole thing where the door was closed, and you could hear like around the room and Janet said described how she gets pulled around. And Anita Gregory came to the conclusion at the very end, she

said that this case is like, yes, there is a highly interesting and compelling case here. But she said that it withers on the vine on closer inspection due to lack of concrete evidence, because the evidence that they have is eyewitness reports and audio recordings. They don't have- And photographs. And photographs, and speaking of the photographs,

that's one of the most interesting and famous things about the Enfield-Poltergeist case, because if you've ever looked into ghost stories, if you've ever looked at anything like this, you've seen the picture of Janet Hodgkin or Hodgkin? Hodgson. Hodgson. Is it Bill Wilkinson? Yeah, it's Bill Wilkinson, yeah.

Because you said Wilkins a bunch of times. It's his real name is Wilkins, but when he talks he talks through Janet's Wilkins son, okay. Yeah Yeah, it's a whole thing. You've seen the picture of Janet Hodgson like floating in the room like floating above the bed Screaming looking terrified. Yeah, I see it looks like she jumped it does she like she jumped But the person who was taking the pictures downstairs He had the camera attached to a little, you know, one of those things like the clickers, the thumb clickers. And he said that the first photo in which Janet is still laying down on the bed, under the covers, under the covers, and the photo in which she is floating in the air is one sixth of a second between those two photos. It's fucking impossible.

I don't care how athletic she is. Yeah. And she was athletic. She was, she was a super athletic little girl, yeah. But that's impossible. Absolutely impossible, yeah. That's why it's like, is there something to be said about there are some, this is the issue, is that I think that there's a world in which all of these things are real.

I think that there's a way that all of this stuff comes together and that it's, but it's, it is just going to be impossible to prove. It is just going to be, and it really comes out. In a way that's gonna satisfy skeptics. I think that this is the opposite, where it's like watching the Enfield documentary, the Enfield Poltergeist documentary made me realize,

like the actual, all of that footage, it gets you closer to the center of what it's really to be like in one of these investigations. And I still feel like it's the reactions from everybody around the family that still convinces me that something happened in the house because they're all haunted. No one wants to talk about it to this day. And like, there's a lot of it's like, yes, they got attention for it. And this is always across the board. We hear this from everybody who talks about any, any either alien abduction or ghost haunting kind

of stuff. Like this idea that they were going to get some big thing out of this monetarily. It did not help them. They never, well, they never asked for money. The mother never asked for money once. And at the very beginning, they thought that this was going to be a thing where a lot of people apparently in England, how they move houses if they're in a council house, they say that it's haunted. Yes! And so they say it's haunted and they ask her like, do you want to move? That was the first question the Daily Mirror asked her on the first day and she said, no,

I've been here 12 years, I don't want to move. I want this thing out of here. Yes. See that was what I was kept thinking, like, move. Well, it's hard. They're broke as fuck. Yeah. Broke as fuck.

They're extraordinarily broke. Yeah, and they're not. Yeah, they weren't going anywhere. But it's, yeah, I also, but I then will also add the caveat that I do understand. People do things solely for attention. I know that they do things solely for attention. But this is, when you have the whole family

united on a thing, I still feel like when you look at the footage of the little girls, they're just not that sophisticated. Yeah, it's not an insult. Not an insult. If you look at the mother, when she starts talking, like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I've seen some body cam footage that would mystify you because like old ladies They firmly believe that they don't get arrested

Right old women. They didn't know they don't they do will not they oftentimes are like you're coming for the fucking brethren But like old ladies for some reason things that police officers are just knocking our arrest them Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Nothing to lose. I guess hitting people with spoons and pushing your cart and going like I see a bicycle like you know making Yoki like making your hands strong or whatever. I don't know No, it's true. You got to do a lot of stuff by yourself But yeah, so I'm more physically afraid of the mother in this like I know that she's physically capable of quite a bit Yeah, but I don't think she's as cunning. No. No, they're not cunning. They're not cunning people. No, I don't think that they have that sort of, I don't think they have that sort of imagination in order to like completely, but create this entire story and I don't think they're gonna outsmart

Maurice Gross and Guy Playfair. They're living in the house. They're living in the house. Like they did 21 like full overnight vigils. Or just Guy Playfair alone did 21 overnight vigils. I don't even know how many more he's grossed at. But he was in that house constantly. I mean, he was in there all the time. He would just show up at like 7 p.m. and then sit around to the morning, right? Yeah, and he did have like,

there was one time that he did see that to him, like it was sort of the exception that proved the morning, right? Yeah, and he did have like, there was one time that he did see that to him, like it was sort of the exception that proved the rule where he saw Jan, like he caught Janet like moving one of the recorders, uh, like he did cat, but he was like the ease at which I caught her and how fast she confessed shows me that this is real. Yeah. She is not very good at it. Like she tried to. Yeah, she is not very good at it But yeah, she tried to do it and she wasn't very good at it and she's a terrible liar You know, so but you know, there's also no account for how deep the well of human

Desperation goes so you never know the amount of people could go like I like holding nine ideas in my head at once Yeah, I do understand that there's a world where the family could just be faking this and just be like a feature of them Being maybe not so bright is the fact that they got nothing out of it. You know, I mean like you could be schizophrenic Yeah, I mean well or just the idea of just being lonely and lost. But when you watch that documentary, and then, it's like we talked about with her, if you see clips of her now, Janet, now, she's, she was fucked up. Yeah, she is.

This whole thing is like fucked her up. Well, she wasn't schizophrenic, because they eventually took her out of the home. Yes. Once it got bad enough, and because she was having just, I mean, just horrible nights where she was convulsing, she was just like in obvious like mental

and emotional anguish. So they took her out of the home and they put her in a hospital where a neurologist like looked at her, looked at her brain waves, checked her for epilepsy, and they kept her under observation for six weeks. And they're like, this is a normal teenage girl Yeah, there's nothing there's nothing wrong with her and as when she was away from the house

Like she there was a recording of her talking to Maurice Gross and she's like I feel so much better She's like I do not want to go back. I got my own room Exactly what she said she's like I've got my own room. You know, like the radio can keep, I don't wanna go back to sharing a room. I wanna stay here. Like, this is nice. I don't wanna go back there. Things are terrible back there.

And they said that she was a completely different girl away from the house. But once she came back, it started up again and it continued for a little while until it just sort of tapered off. And she didn't really talk about, like, Janet did not talk about what happened to her very often throughout the year. She didn't give many interviews, she didn't do many documentaries.

I think the longest one she did was in the DVD extras for The Conjuring 2, in which I think she was paid to say that the Warrens were there for longer than they actually were. Yeah, she must have been. Because Ed and Lorraine Warren, we talked about this in the episode, Ed and Lorraine Warren did show what, like, you know, you've seen The Conjuring 2, right? Yeah, yeah, it's been a while though, so give me a refresher. It's the Enfield Poltergeist case. Okay, great.

It is the Enfield Poltergeist case. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And like, they travel to England, and you know, it makes it seem like the Warrens were the ones that were a part of this thing the whole time. There is a Maurice Gros character, there is a Guy Playfair character, but it's framed as like the Warrens saved this little girl. Oh, yeah, dude. And have you ever seen the real Warrens? We're gonna be working on a series on the Warrens this year,

and you're, uh, you can see that, um, uh, the main Warren, it's his... Ed? Ed LaWarren. He looks like a Primany sandwich come to life. Yeah. Like, he looks like a sandwich that has French fries on it, but that's a man.

And he is, but then he's played by Patrick Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. And then Vera Farmiglia playing Lorraine Warren is one of the biggest pop culture crimes. Like that's a white, that is a Stalin level white washing of history. Like I've ever seen. Cause she looks like she should be on a fucking pancake batter box.

Yeah, Lorraine Warren, yeah, very pinch faced. But these people are grifters. And they just, they showed up for a day. They were there for a day and they were asked to leave Yeah, like you need to you need to get out of here. Just getting in our way. Yeah, you're getting in our way You guys don't got football You guys never heard of the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's what they flew all the way to England for a day Well, that's what they do, you know, like their entire lives there. We'll get to that. We're gonna cover that more

Yeah They're in their entire lives were like they hear tell us something and they'd go straight for it and see if they could insert themselves into it How much money they could make off of it because they were fucking grifters Lorraine. Let's go down there Let's go out there. They UK. I'm gonna go out there I'm gonna fucking tell all them about the ghosts and stuff like that. We'll do a prayer get all these guys I'm ready to go. It'll be taken back. This is a trade river state I got so many questions about them, but I'm just going to wait. Yeah, we'll tell you all about them.

But Janet, they bring her into this documentary series about three quarters of the way through episode three. And she is a haunted individual. She is still a haunted individual and absolutely she is still a haunted individual and the way she talks about it is like it sent chills down my spine she said that you do not feel like you are entirely yourself oh yeah and she was like whatever myself is she's like you do not when this is happening you do not feel entirely yourself there's a part something else in there with you and she says and it's fucking killed me

You know, she's in her, you know sixties now She said it's never left me. Yes, it's still there. It's it's never left And so what she just knows how to suppress it now. She just lives with it. She just deals with it So Bill Wilkinson's followed her or is it like or the like the weird entity a whatever it is, whatever it is, essentially things masquerade as things from the other side using data that they have accumulated. Like imagine if there is if that is true that there's another intelligence, they are using frames that exist in real life and then applying themselves to those frames. So that's what we always like, one of those dumb funny things where you're like,

in alien abductions and shit, you're like, there's a level where like, you believe you've been abducted by aliens so much, you do believe that it's real, but then the aliens will tell you a certain amount of things. And then if you're so deep in the world, you can eventually start asking the questions, but what if these aliens are lying to me?

And so you can be like this idea of like, so what if ghosts are real, but also they're not what you think they are? Like this Bill thing is a framework. It is a personality framework that was somehow something from the back of Janet's mind connected to some form of other, maybe if you wanna get super woo-wee-woo

interdimensional thing or just residual energy that it takes on a bunch of different sizes. Then you have the added fuel of the furniture from the child murderer's house that sort of amplifies that sort of nasty edge to the phenomena. And then you got a super fucking productive menarche and it's gushing and flowing and that's making you super psychic and shit and then you got your rag woman mom. She's just coming in every day being like, you got, blow on me, yeah?

You got, let me check your favors. You know what I mean? No, the mother did come in every day and would get angry with Janet. And also there was the fact that their father had left just a few, like a couple of months before. And the father was also, the father was also like very abusive while he was in the home and he was an absolute asshole.

Bad energy. But as far as it being, you know, this being something that she carried with her, like it could very well, like I personally, I believe that a lot of this stuff has to do with the collective unconsciousness and it could be that something like you could maybe look at it as like say like an infection where this big ball of energy like Henry was talking about all this stuff coming together, you know, it infects Janet, you know, and you could kind of look at this thing if it's strong enough as like sort of a chronic illness that she has to deal with for the rest of her life. There's something in Janet's consciousness that has embedded itself there, some sort of a chronic illness that she has to deal with for the rest of her life. There's something in Janet's consciousness that has embedded itself there, some sort of infection that just will not leave.

That she can't, she can no longer separate herself from that. I like the word infection. I think infection is a good way to put it. Because I don't necessarily believe that it's a consciousness per se. It's more like the program of a consciousness, you know, like you where you have like if you look at the brain as a sort of like program or if you look at like the mind is a sort of program like that program has been installed into Janet's Kalan consciousness. Yeah, it's from remote like a compute like a computer virus And now she just has to fucking you can't uninstall it

You know and she just has to deal with it and that the reason why she knew things about Bill Wilkinson the reason why she knew How he died the reason why you know she knew like kind of his mannerisms You know his ways of thinking is because she had the Bill Wilkins Framework installed into her consciousness, so that's that's kind of how I look at this I find it interesting and but this documentary series again not getting paid Apple Plus has not reached out Actually don't like that we're mentioning but what's nice is that we're actually pro this document is a great dot This is the first two episodes. I was like, before, I go into all these things

as a total skeptic. Sure. And now I'm like 75% sure it happened. Yeah. Something happened in that house. I think the documentary is a really good example of an expansion of a paranormal investigation. I think that if you wanna do an investigation,

the stuff that like, you know, I've sang the praises of Hellier and the new Kirk's for forever. But if you have a new case, it's all about like haunted objects. And you watch like, what a real paranormal investigation is. It's not a long weekend. It's not you arriving as a big McGill reporter and putting up, you're like hanging out for 48 hours, and you're like, all right, whatever, and summing it up. You're looking at a phenomenon

that is as old as consciousness, and it is a part of the human story. So it does sometimes, I think it takes the extra mile. Yeah. I think you gotta be in it. And then maybe it does convince you more, but you know, then call me convinced. Yeah, in this documentary, the way they do it is they take Maurice Gross's actual tapes the 200 hours of tapes and they

Rebuilt the poltergeist house exactly as it was completely. That was crazy They built sets exactly as it was and like Janet that at one point she walks into the set and she's like Yeah, just like so fucking freaked out. Yeah, and they what they do is they have actors lip-sync along with Maurice Gross's tapes. It's extraordinary. It's very good. The way they put it together is so fucking good. What am I drag racing? As Eddie said before, yeah man, let's take me on drag race. Now it's time for you to lip-sync for your life. Now it's time for you to lip sync for your life. But no, but yeah, so jury's out.

Obviously, technically there's a, if you want to be a skeptic, there's plenty of weighted evidence for you to say that it's not real. Of course. But I think that if you look at the material that is there that is shown in this documentary and you have an open mind Yeah, and you might convince you otherwise and that video like I think it might prove that she wasn't bending spoons But it does not negate in any way whatsoever So like the thousands of incidents that Maurice Crouse recall. Yeah, it's not just that I feel like Janet Herself if she was out to make money off of this shit would have become a ghost hunter Yeah, you know like no she she the way she put is that she?

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I wish he was my dad. I heard he lived a very nice life. He was even on Olly G once. Oh, really? Yeah. That's cool. You're to me well. That's nice.

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