Last Podcast On The Left - Last Update on the Left - Episode 4 - Columbine Revisited

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

This week the boys revisit the Columbine High School Massacre of 1999, where they were on that fateful day, the reaction of a young Theater Club President named Henry Zebrowski, and the cultural impact left by the massacre.Originally discussed in Episode 179 of Last Podcast on the Left!Last Update on the Left - Episode 3 - JonBenet Ramsey available here. (Released as Sneak Peek April 12, 2024.) For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

I got stuck in my head what crocodile rock. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, I mean it's yeah. Yeah, that's a good Yeah, no, I always think of NFL rocks Which is this VHS I had when I was when I was a kid and it was basically just big hits and touchdowns It was like a two-hour music video and they used crocodile rock. That was the halftime show It was just crocodile rock and a bunch of cheerleaders so crocodile rock was like burnt into my head because it was like the first time I saw lots of ladies it's incredible that crocodile rock doesn't make you think of crocodiles considering how much you love the gators I love gators you know

crocodiles you're cool too don't think I disrespect you but I'm a gator boy first but you know crocodiles do rock you know But you know, crocodiles do rock, you know, I don't know what to do about it. You know, I fed a crocodile not too long ago. Maximo. Yeah. Yeah. That fucker ate a rat. He had a couple of us, you know, the, you know, crocodiles in zoos, they don't eat like three rats a week. That's it. 17 foot crocodile. That's all they eat That crazy my god. Welcome to last podcast on the left ladies and gentlemen. My mind is blown They're only eating three rats a week. My name is Marcus Parks

I'm here with a man that has all the croc facts all the gator facts at Larson Yes, yeah, watch out for those crocodiles gators our bees crocodiles or wasps white Anglo-saxon Unfortunately today though we are missing our boy Henry Zabrowski His in case you didn't know a Henry's father passed this week. So we're giving him the week off and the past this week, so we're giving them the week off and Instead of a new episode what we're gonna be giving you guys this week is a two update episodes We released one on Monday. That would be the the infield poltergeist and today we're gonna be You know, I don't think they did it. You don't think you don't think so

No, no the ghosts This ghost slander has gone too far that means that the kids did it yes No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, on the left as a SiriusXM exclusive all last year, but now we're able to release those episodes for free to the entire audience on our main feed. So what we're doing is we're basically when we have a week where we don't have like a last podcast classic, you know, the big, thick, meaty episodes.

Yeah, your Patty Hearst, your Batavians. Yeah, and the massive one that we've got started. We got a big history series coming up next week that I am so fucking pumped for. I'm sure working on it. I've been more excited for anything, to be honest with you. Yeah. This is the top banana for me.

This is such a big one. It's got so much history. It's good. It's so fucking thick. You're not going to be able to swallow it. Yeah. Lots of headshots. That's a. Yeah. Yeah lots of headshots It's a really good teaser and it works a lot of different levels really on this story

So on the weeks that we don't have like a big thick media episode We're gonna give you guys an update episode to kind of fill in the gap So thank you very much everybody for for understanding this week We appreciate the outpouring of support that you guys have given Henry Henry very much appreciates it as well Jackie as well and Jackie absolutely appreciates it is it's a hard time and you never know when these things are gonna happen and so Shout out to Big Henry and in honor of you big Henry. We're gonna talk about your most favorite thing in the world. Columbine. I don't know if it was it might have been his favorite flower. I don't know. It could have been. If he was there to stop him if he was the cop on campus. It was 1999 no cops on campus. We did we had them. Really? Yeah I no cops on campus. We did, we had them. Really?

Yeah, I had cops on campus the whole time. But also, like, you went to a tiny school. I went to a school of like 700 kids in my graduating class. Jesus, twice the size of my town. Yeah, yeah, so that's, you know, we were huge. No, no, Rochester ISD in Texas did not have any cops. We had one cop in town. Actually, you know what?

I take that back We did have a cop on campus because our town's cop was also the school maintenance man Yeah, you know you gotta have lots of jobs. Yeah, you really do yeah lots of hats, but they're all covered in shit Well enjoy this update episode everybody and we will be back next week with a brand new episode Some thick history stuff can't fucking wait for it But thank you very much, and we'll see you all soon for 20 place up. Yeah Update on the left. Oh yeah! I'm getting ready to talk because this is going to be a serious one of these right? It is serious today I mean, it's gonna be serious ish. Yeah, I mean, it's Columbine welcome to last update on the left ladies and gentlemen I'm Marcus Parks. I'm not happy about Columbine Henry Zabrowski

I'm Ed Larson and Columbine is bad. You know, you know what? First of all, it's just nice to set the tone up. Yeah. Yeah baseline Columbine was That massacre the kind of the massacre shooting not the city the towns fine. I don't know. I've never been to the town I'm so discard, but they're fine. The flower is also fine. You know, the Columbine is the state flower of Colorado Yes, you taught me this the other day. Mm-hmm, and I was just as fascinated then As I am today now I will say we covered this is our update of our Columbine coverage from almost a decade ago Yeah, they may be more than a decade ago getting real damn close. It isn't that crazy. It really is No, I remember we recorded. I was recording

the cow men album that released in many, many years ago, almost a decade ago. Yeah. And you guys did such a good job that nothing like this ever happened again. What was really important about

what we do. What we do here as an organization is we stop crime before it begins. Yes. And that's why, as you've noticed, yeah, the the incredible decline in mass shootings across this country organization is we stop crime before it begins. Yeah. Yes. And that's why, as you've noticed, yeah, the incredible decline in mass shootings across this country ever since we put out our episodes.

But a lot of we did get some things incorrect, which is why we've decided to update those episodes. So number one, you want to go back and listen to what we talked about back there. Am I help? Yeah. Because I don't know if we need to recap the Columbine massacre. We know what happened on 420 in 1999. Man, that was my second 420.

Yeah, I know. It was fucking, I was having a great time. I skipped school, by the way, all the kids, all the sodas left. They all skipped school. They weren't there, but I skipped skipped school I'm fucking hanging out I'm smoking with my boys and we put on the TV my fucking buzz just got fucking majorly harsh no literally everyone's just like I'm going home and so we now know that it was Eric Harris still in Klebold I don't think we need to go through all of the various details that

we covered from back in the day I mean really I read back through the script that we had this was actually before we started doing super detailed episodes where we went through like Point by point bolt blow by blow everything that happened like we just did with the Anders Brevik series Where we went through the entire thing with Columbine? We just and this is how we sort of used to do the shows back in the day, is this like, we worked off of assumed knowledge a lot. Where we just assumed everyone listening, like you know what Columbine is,

if you don't, these guys can let, it's like a paragraph, and then going into sort of like, analysis of the situation, talking about what people believed at the time, and what was the actual truth. And that was sort of the tack that we took with it. We based a lot of the episode not just on one book, we also used a few articles,

but a lot of it was based on a book called Columbine by this guy named Dave Cullen, which is an incredible book. It's fantastically written. And what his supposition was with the book was that Dylan Klebold was kind of a puppet of Eric Harris. Yes. Eric Harris was the aggressor. Eric Harris was a psychopath. Like he was the one that was a little more handsome.

Dylan Klebold was the one with the big moon face. Yeah. And that they were both ugly. They were both ugly men. Yes. But one has to be ugly. One has to be uglier. And Dylan Klebold was the uglier one. Yeah, definitely. But Eric Harris was a psychopath, according to Dave Collin, and that Dylan Klebold was the uglier one. Yeah, definitely. But Eric Harris was a psychopath, according to Dave Colin, and that Dylan Klebold was extraordinarily depressed and that Eric Harris kind of used Dylan Klebold as kind of a little assistant, someone to kind of cheer him on while he was doing it.

And that Dylan Klebold was sort of a passive character, a passive character in this that just sort of went along with the whole thing. And that time when I read the book, I was so mind blown because I had heard the original sort of pitch about Eric Harris and Dylan Fleabald and we all sort of internalized it as a country because we were forced to. The idea that these were two misunderstood goth kids that were bullied and pushed to the point of murder. And then when Dave Cullen's book came out that refuted that in a way that I, we all thought was really closer to the truth, which I does, it does prove to still be

closer to the truth, which is the idea that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were aggressors and were kids that yeah, yeah, sure. They were bullied, but they were also bullies into themselves. And then Eric Harris was a little bit more of a ladies man, which is one of the corrections that we're going to get into because that's not real. But certain things was like, it pushed the spectrum to the other side where it wasn't just a bunch of nerds that got pushed too far. And then it was the thing about bullying and then also still kind of created an anti nerd movement across the country. Anti-Goth movement.

Anti-Goth. Dude, very much so. I was in high school when this happened. I was a junior in high school. I was in student council actually when this happened. And I remember them all sitting at the next day when I decided to come back to school and out of my stone stupor. And I remember them all sitting at the next day when I decided to come back to school and out of my stone stupor. And I remember them all sitting. I must go. The children need my leadership. Honestly, I've probably said something very similar. And I remember they had like, we had

a two hour meeting with like, like cops came in and like they sat down and this is in Boca Raton, Florida, Boca Raton, Florida. And I remember during our meeting, like they made us, we had lunch like in the classroom and like while we're doing some kid dressed up in a black trench coat stood up on a, in the cafeteria. It was like Trish go mavia motherfucker. And then, you know, then later got his ass kicked by all the black kids. But the, but then then but it was unfortunately a stain on the goth community. Of course. And like and like and everyone hated the Goths for a while. Well, let's go back and revisit some stuff. Well, I want to revisit a ninth grade Henry Sparowsky because and then we'll get to the

Goths. One of the truly honestly one of the worst repercussions of Columbine besides the death and This wave of anti-gothic is that the play I was in in the ninth grade was canceled one that I was in play by which is like also interesting by the The very talented Woody Allen called Don't Drink the Water, which is a play that we did at the time. And I-

Very appropriate. We, the play was canceled because there was a gunshot and a bomb in it and it came, it was coming out that summer, the same summer as what happened when Columbine happened. And a little truth teller by the name of Henry Zebrowski, a little too real for high school was interviewed Asking about the implications of this interview by a local news station Tampa Bay Times Yes, no, I want I want to know like I'd see you've got it pulled up in front of you

How are you going? Are you going to read this in? Ninth grade Henry Zebrowski voice. Are you going to read this in such a way as to make you sound better? I'm going to read it exactly as I was delivered. So I think it's Harry Boo. That's Jackie. That's my sister. That's you and that's Jackie. I was the president. I got to be president of the drama club. You cannot do that well

being inarticulate. You were president freshman year? No, I was already being scouted. Was the president I got to be president of the drama club you cannot do that well being inarticulate President freshman year no I was already being scouted no see he was not president They already knew all right Lies in this immediately they got pushed right to the front so this is like so there's a lot of talk about here So it was canceled and then they decided to talk to me So this is the quote from the actual from the reporter Brian Gilmer. We don't remember from back in the day. So this is what Henry Zabrowski said.

We see basically why they did it. I'm angry still. I poured a lot of work into the play and some of my grades suffered. It was just important to all of us. Yes, they all watch and I stood forward, they said. And then Henry Zabrowski then said he the administration knew that they might be taking it too far but they said it might be better to take it too far. And so yeah not only was I a warrior for the first, not only was I a warrior for free speech but also I reached across the aisle in a John McCain way. So even as a ninth grader, I was a maverick. Yeah, and I'm gonna, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna read it how I'd imagine it actually sounded. We basically see why they did it. I'm angry still. I poured a lot of work into

the play and some of my grades suffered. It was just important to all of us. You see, I am the source. So you see now you really, you really gonna see what happens in media now This is all this entire little play act that these two did I don't they weren't actually making fun of me This was a play act to talk about the subjective nature of information and how it's represented by the media And how and you really have you worked really hard on it You see again, it's about how but then we hear him the P me right imagine American flag behind me Norma Ray wasn't wearing a bra standing on top of the table going you and union all everybody was like that's when they were Asking me to unionize and I said no dictatorship

Yeah, and then I came forward and they all chose me and you'll see there were seniors in that play They could have been talking to the I just think your drama teacher went to go to NASA that summer. It was like, Oh, this seems like a great opportunity to cancel this. Oh, this is Webster is quoted in the article talking about how she fought for us. Yeah. Wow. Mrs. Webster.

How was Mrs. Webster? She, we got, it was, we had a strange relationship. How I've never heard this before. House House strange. We had a strange relationship booth House I've never heard this before house house strange. We had a strange relationship She didn't like that you were so outgoing and cursed occasionally. Well, the thing was is that Much like an aforementioned. Let's just say the former president of the United States. I was so popular. I was inevitable And so the problem was is that they could not stop me. They couldn't stop the train from going.

You're dodging the question though. What's strange? It's exactly the reason why traditional media doesn't want to let me inside of its halls. Because what they're afraid of is that I will then change everything. But that's not answering the question of what kind of strange relationship you had with Mrs. Watson? Sometimes, Mrs. Webster, sometimes the student becomes a master. She hated you.

Because you were full of yourself. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, we were fine. Okay. But it was weird. It's like not interesting. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And I think that people were getting angry. And then I took over the talent show, and then my tastes have not changed all that much. But I also had the power of the assistant principal,

who was on my side. And then we would get together, he would pull me from class so that we could coordinate, because we always would do a big lip sync. The popular dudes and the assistant principal would do a lip sync at the end of the talent show. And so we'd always do like, we in sync we did full Monty, which is actually now I realize that's weird. We did actually boys. Yeah full Monty was very popular back then

Oh, yeah, but then like but I danced the full Monty stripping dance with my assistant principal. Oh interesting Yeah, we took our pants You know, we did it. Yeah. Well, 1999, 2000 was the turn of the millennium was a strange time for us all. My drama teacher junior year pulled me aside and said, you are keeping me away from having a clean drama department. Fly from your grave. So when we covered the Columbine series, like I know with with Dave Collins book, like some people have a huge problem with it. I don't think it's that big of a deal. They have a huge problem with it because I think they want Dylan Klebel to have much

more responsibility than Dave Collin paints him out to be. Because in the time when we recorded the episode, if I remember correctly, like we sympathized with Dylan Klebold a little bit. You know, like I think I myself said, but for the grace of God, go I. You know, with Dylan Klebold, like being a very depressed kid,

being a very depressed high school kid, and you know, just someone like Eric Harris, if there was like a character like that, know scooping up a depressed kid and turning him into a killing machine and you know the refutations I totally get I totally get I totally because people have come out and like sit like Dylan Klebold's mother and be like no my son was a dangerous individual. Well that's the big difference yes that her book A Mother mother's reckoning came out in 2016 We did our episodes in 2015 so was before that included dialogue

Yeah, I also partially think the reason why people just get upset across the board because this is an extremely touchy subject Yes, yeah kids kids killing kids makes nobody look super happy No, it's again not a blast not a lot of joke about No, it's again not a blast not a lot of joke about But the I think a lot of people then obviously attach super hyper emotional issues to this Yeah, and I also think that there are people that want Unfortunately, this is my pushback. They want the nerds being pushed to the edge Narrative to be real they want that to be real I think a part of the reason why people are mad about the Dave Cullen thing,

it's just more that Dave Cullen pushed it all the way to the other side, and it wasn't until a mother's reckoning came out that we really saw her deep dive into her son's own journals that showed that Dylan Klebold was a lot more of an active member of the two than it was kind of shown in the beginning. Well, there wasn't a ton of push. As far as like the bully narrative goes, like there is some pushback on that. That's not a huge thing. It's not a huge thing. I'm just saying why people have the emotional reaction. You need a reason. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

They want a reason. Everybody wants a reason. Because they said like, Sue talked about Dylan asking like his father, like what to do about younger kids that are picking on him And during sophomore year Dylan said something to Tom about hating the jocks They don't bother me, I'm 6'4 but they sure give Eric hell Yeah, but that's the- Eric was a piece of shit Yeah, Eric was a fucking asshole He was an absolute fucking dickhead I will not take that off the plate

He was an asshole dickhead That technically- I'm glad he's dead. I'm glad they're both fucking dead. But the thing is that the ER dick, they did not receive any more bullying than anybody else that was a standard fringe member of high school society. They received far less bullying than the goth kids because that was the horrible thing about it is that they were the ones who Bully the goth kids I mean f word thrown around quite a bit at the goth kids the actual trench coat mafia because it all came

From like it was it's such a dumb high school thing one goth kid bought a black duster For a Halloween costume for fucking Dracula costume thought it was super cool, started wearing it to school. The other goth kids started wearing their trench coats too and they're like, fuck yeah, trench coat mafia, bro. The reason why Dylan and Eric wore trench coats so they could hide their guns, so they could carry weapons and also cause they thought it looked super cool. They didn't have anything, like they did at one point,

like I think Eric Floated like the idea to one of those kids were like no wouldn't it be like awesome If we just took guns and like shot up the entire fucking school. Yeah But the kid didn't bite at all. He's like, I'm not gonna do that. Yes. Yeah, cuz he floated it around He was basically trying to see if there was somebody else who would bite Yeah to help him because Eric Harris was a pussy and he didn't want to do it alone. I do think that that's oh, yeah, he didn't want to do it alone You wanted he wanted his own self-fashioned assistant Yeah, he did and but he groomed he did groom Dylan Klebold for it But that's the thing the point that is made that I think is it it's a great point

And I don't think that we brought it up in the show is that you know He could have told somebody at any time Dylan could have told someone at any time well back then This is like the first time this really happened. No one thought anyone really do anything like this Well there had been a lot of we've had a lot of mass shootings across the history of America No, not kids shooting other kids in high school, I think there were except for the I Hate Mondays girl. But yeah, but that was an anomaly and it was quite a long time before that. It was. And the University of Texas, of course. Yeah. And that was in the 60s. Yeah.

But like high school kids killing other high school kids like that was because leading up to the shooting, like there was a lot of people that had reported Eric Harris to the police. But yeah, this kid, I think his his name was Brooks like Eric Harris said like directly threaten this kid on his fucking website which is probably like Geo cities.com slash South Beach slash four seven four. Yeah. Like fucking he was a Geo city site definitely or angel fire or some shit like that the type

of websites used to code yourself. But the cops they they reported that. He had been reported for making pipe bombs. He'd been reported for a lot of shit and the cops just sat on it. They just didn't do anything. We saw those kids being kids and kids saying fucked up shit and they didn't, like on one hand they're trying to, their hands are in that way tied because it's like now they come down on you like a

pile of bricks. But back in the day it was way more like, you know, like they weren't trying to over police the kids. They were trying to like, you know, let kids be kids. Also no money, which we discover as a pattern with police. They never really want to get involved in a family as much as they can because of how complicated it is and how much like everybody has to go to court now and no one wants to deal with it.

So well, that's also where the most incidents occurs in domestic situations. Yes. And that they and a lot of times what do they do? They're like, you must press charges. We have to separate you. So it's either like it either goes to there's no like four out of 10 on domestic violence. It has to either go like ten out of ten were taking one of you out of the situation taking you to jail or word like Believing we're just gonna be like bye. You know and so there's nothing they can do and so something like this our mistake really was painting

Or just fully like this idea that Dylan Klebold Was like just some coasting person. And I think it was because we may have identified with him too much. I think that, you know, we view, especially as younger men. I know I certainly did. Yeah. And as younger men, I feel like that was, it was more like you could see more of this, but it says I get older, the more I separate from that and understand that like homicidal actions Change everything. Yeah, you know like of course, but it's it's it's really like that point of it being like Everybody gets bullied. Everybody gets treated like shit. I don't know. I don't know anybody who wasn't

I know the people that weren't bullied then just got like to be frank ugly Everything is like grew up into some like they were like, anybody who was hot in middle school became fucking gross piece of shit later on. They all turned into just Facebook blobs later on down the line. And so, but for me, I look at this, and I think at the time, I thought that that made more sense and now it does not make sense to me.

Now I look at him and be like, he had like you it takes two it does and and my understanding of things like at 41 is so much larger. I know how much more right at 31 also. I know how much more I don't understand Yeah, exactly Yeah, I mean cuz that like at 31, you know, I was a lot closer to adolescence than I am now So romanticize that yeah a little bit And still like looked at that time like and yeah a little bit more like rose-colored glasses And now I understand a lot more about Psychopathology I understand a lot more about the brains of these people and their and what they do and I have a lot less

Sympathy, it's just that you know, but there was one day when you know Just the moment it crosses over into homicidal nature then you know No fucking sympathy whatsoever. Yeah, none what none at all Like you just lose all of it the moment you do the moment you hurt someone else Yeah, like fuck any form of violence in my opinion. Yeah, you know, that's my opinion Yeah, and there was also you know other shit in Collins book like, you know things that like cuz he Collin made sure to say that Eric Harris was a ladies man. Yeah, that was the whole thing He was pushing it to the other side. Yeah, he was pushing to the other side

The Eric Harris like was very actually very popular and he pushed it he just pushed it too far he pushed it over like saying that like he got days all the time but based on his journal entries like Eric likely died a virgin but on the other hand like that doesn't just because you died a virgin doesn't mean that you weren't going on a lot of dates I was going on a ton of dates before I lost my virginity oh yeah I think it was more so that he was an aggressive loser like in the aggressive loser category in high school, but still girls were just saying the words that they thought he was cute.

Because he was kind of a traditional, especially if you are, if you're an elder millennial, there was a style during this time period. Like 1999, I remember, because it was like right after I moved from New York to Florida and In New York, we were all still like in 1989. You know, I mean like it was way like like you all look like you were In the Beastie Boys. Yeah, yes leather jackets We you know, I have my starter jacket my Looney Tunes Dresses rappers. I mean we all That was very popular.

But then that kind of changed when all of a sudden I moved to Florida and it was like that Abercrombie and Fitch style. Paxon. All that stuff just took over. Janko jeans. Everybody. Fubu. And Eric Harris was like a really good example of the style of dude that every girl was kind of talking about at the time. As far as I was concerned, it was just like thin spiky blonde hair. Like kind of like looks kind of like the bully from kind of a dog. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like kind of a prick. Like

people, I mean, I hate to say it girl. Like everybody at the time thought a prick was like super sexy. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm wrong. It was a rough time. 1999 to like 2005 was like a rough time. Psychologically. To be a young man in society. It was intense. We were taught all the wrong shit. Yes, yes we were. And so Eric Harris, I think was a just a full example of that. And that it was just more that Dylan Klebold was extremely ugly. Yeah. And Eric Harris was just kind of Vaguely normal looking and so some girls just said that he was cute and that's where that's what he took off running with that And then also Cullen kind of portrayed the Klebold and Harris family is a little bit richer. Yeah, then they probably were far more Yeah, it's like it's small factual inaccuracies Like he would say that you know

Klebold's mother was Jewish when Klebold's mother was in fact half Jewish You know he would say that they were wealthy when really their house was large But it was a fixer-upper with a lot of rats also Columbine's a nice place Columbine's a very very nice place You know someone came from Boca Raton a lot of people go poor trying to live in these nice places Oh, of course my parents live in a part of Florida that for when we were struggling in New York We then moved to Florida and then it was a month we moved to a nice Neighborhood in Florida because we could afford it versus our bad neighborhood in New York. Mm-hmm And then we but we were then

Weirdly not like the poor people in a very rich neighborhood Yeah, because that was one of those sleeper Florida neighborhoods where it was filled with extremely rich people. Yeah, that same thing happened to us. Yeah. I was down the street from Hulk Hogan. Oh, really? Yeah.

I had Mike Tyson. Oh, wow. Cool. Yeah, he tried to bring tigers. They're like, Mike, you got to get rid of the tigers. We had a guy that everyone called Bo Diddley. He was weird. And when I used to ride by his house on my bike he'd stick his dogs on me. And laugh and laugh and laugh.

I'm sorry I'm laughing. Get him, get him, he's mostly bones. I told this story before. His son was arrested for raping his grandmother. Wow! This is fucking crazy. Yes. Why are we covering that? No, I grew up in it.

That's the crazy thing about it is that I think I grew up in such a dark, weird place that Columbine was a blip. Oh yeah. It barely registered. No one... Everyone just kind of went like, huh. And then no one... There was no...

The school didn't address it. Nobody talked to us about it. It was not in any way whatsoever. We had a team of grief counselors. We did too. Yeah, they all came onto the school. I don't know why. Yeah, they were all... No, why. We're in the fucking class, you know, we're like we look out into the fucking, I could look out the window and see a gun in like my friend's car.

Like on the back, on the fucking, on the rack in his truck. Like you could see guns. See guns! Very different. Yeah, very, very different. But yeah, just barely registered. Yeah, there's just a guy with a piece of wheat in his mouth just going like, Yep, I guess they just cuddling themselves. Alright, children, now sit down, let me tell you about why we should have won the Civil War. No, it was, yeah, no one really paid much attention to it at all. I just remember, I'd read about it in the paper, but nobody really talked about it. It was very bizarre. It was very strange.

My play was canceled. My play. I had spent months. My schoolwork suffered. And you know how important I took my schoolwork. Yeah. You're just finally an excuse for my D's. Honestly, it was really, really commonine, yeah. Columbine's really fucking up my score. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm dropping this, yeah. I think it's a difference between like going to a really small school and going to like gigantic, like you guys went to gigantic schools. Yeah, over 700 kids in my class. Yeah. And that's 400 more people than were in my town. Yeah

300 more yeah, my school's population was like your football game. Yeah, I know actually of our football game would probably be something like 80 Shit like 80 people if if that if that many maybe a hundred I like 4550 kids in every class I had oh yeah, dude But we had I used to regularly perform in front of like a thousand children. I think about that all the time I used to do the pep rallies. I was like I would do an hour. Yeah Improv in front of a thousand people I'd like that like 50 or 60 kids and like the entire high school Damn, yeah in the whole high school. Yeah, it was fucking nuts, man. It was weird.

And I guess maybe because everybody knew everybody else. And that's the thing, even I was like the weird kid, like for the pep rallies, I don't like every class got to draw their own poster. And I always drew these like crazy violent posters. Like just like super fucking violent and like it would be like all the rest would be like, know beat the Bobcats and be like decapitate the Bobcats like a guy like holding a head like above nowadays you'd have to get

pulled in with like there'd be like a psychiatrist yeah there there would be like the local congressman but even then like like I guess is everybody knew everybody so well like everyone's like that's just Marcus like Well, Marcus is create. He's creative like, you know, he likes his things He likes his you know, he likes his horror movies, you know, I and I like a horror movie every once in a while But you know, that's just Marcus. He's fine. He's all right. You don't gotta you don't got worried about Marcus He's just got his nose in the book all the time Yeah, and then you see the teacher same piece of wheat She's been like these kids all get to go to school 17. I'm sitting down

swamps of doon a Actually, I did have one teacher that was a Vietnam vet that dude was fucked up. Oh, of course Oh, we think homework's bad Who've ever stepped in a hole and had a bamboo shoot shoot through your foot while your buddies getting his dick bit off goddamn river snake He wasn't tough at all he was shell-shocked like he had like kind of it he had kind of a stutter like yeah Yeah, okay. Everyone needs to just quiet everyone needs to quiet down now get real quiet It was just it was so much worse cuz like I just sit there and watch him and just be like

Fuck me like this guy like everyone's war does to him. You just see like his eyes go blank and you hear like Like everyone's war does to a man you just see like his eyes go blank and you hear like He's like watch out like jungles burn no this guy is No, he's that guy that was in the seat like the scene where they show up in the fucking trench warfare and they're like, who's in charge here? And the guy goes, ain't you? Ain't you? Never get off the boat. Yeah, that's, that was that guy's Vietnam.

He did not come back tough at all. Oh no, no, no. Believe me, and the culture wars we're in are going to be no different. The culture wars what? That we're in right now? We're all just veterans of the culture war, no. Believe me. And the culture wars we're in are going to be no different. The culture wars what? That we're in right now. We're all just veterans of the culture war, friends. You and me. Eddie, this is just so we're front lines. Green brace. That's my Vietnam. We're in it. So one of the things that has kind of, I guess, gotten bigger since we did our episode, as far as an update on like the cultural significance of Columbine is that we saw a large increase

in Columbine fandom. Oh yes. Really? This was a big deal. I mean, really it did, I would say it started around most, around the time that most weird things started on the internet, it was about 2012. That's god damn, that's just the year that everything changed. Tumblr and all of that, the idea of that's when we went full like digital hive mind.

I was like when it was really starting to happen, when we were really starting to see the secret thoughts that probably should have kept secret or kept niche. You know what I mean? The idea of serial killer group reasons is not, it's not a new phenomenon. But it is, it got definitely super powered by the internet. Yeah, it really did. And like you see like all these, we used to at our old live shows when we just played exclusively videos, like we'd find like three or four like Eric Harris tribute videos.

There would be like a girl talking about how cute she thought he was and how much he loved him and how she would Worship him and all this shit like just really insane shit member the homies the girls that all started like dyeing their hair orange Oh, yeah Shut up the movie theater Heath Ledger's performance was so powerful in the Dark Knight it launched a world of douchebags Yeah in the Dark Knight, it launched a world of douchebags. Yeah. It's wild to think just how good of an actor he... He probably would have to now apologize for the Joker, which is really sad.

He would probably have to go and be like, I'm sorry I didn't mean to make everybody mad or crazy and talk about chaos and shit. I think he'd have more gravitas than that. I think he'd have a little... I think he'd go out and talk about it openly. I hope so. He fucking worked. Did hard work on Joker and was the best...

The best co-op movie ever and I'm not updating that I don't care Anybody says people try to tell me there's the Dark Knight's not the best comic book movie ever you will not take that for me I like dark superheroes. I mean, it's good It's just the only thing that keeps it from being the best comic book movie ever is Christian Bale's Batman voice in that movie Cuz it's fucking stupid I threw a bottle cap at him. This man is known as the Joker. You should go and find the Joker.

He's too bad. He's a bad man. I liked it. I'm still traumatized about this play that was canceled. I'm still traumatized even thinking about the assault on Arthur even now. You should bring this Woody Allen play back. I think that's the key. Because you know what really no one's talking about here is how does Woody Allen come back? Yeah. How does he come back? Because think about how he felt after Columbine.

He loves kids! I'm so worried about him! He loved him! But you know it is crazy how they all ended up being right about Marilyn Manson. Yeah. But his music didn't drive violence. The man himself is a bad man. Yes, the man himself is a fucking horrible human being. Yeah. Also, Boca Raton. Yeah. You know what it is to that Maryland man to wonder. He's for Boca. You know, he's he would be there a lot. His one of his family members and he spent time with. Yeah, I see my borders

all the time. He used to be there all day. He was just sit there. I remember my buddy went up to him and just been like, Hey, you Maryland Manson. And he's like full Maryland. And he's like, Oh yeah. No, he was just like, no. And then he's like, you're Maryland Manson. And he's just like, no, I'm not. Yeah. Don't look at me. Giant platform shoe. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, You think about Columbine too is it before we get back to the group one of the only shitty thing yeah Well, it's just how much people blamed like video games Oh violent movies, you know all the music all that bullshit like it was fucking it was super actually Eric Harris's favorite band wasn't Marilyn Manson. He loved KMFDM

Industrial KMFDM is fucking sick. You like KMFDM? Do you think I'd like them? Yes. I like nine-inch nails You would love KMFDM. Do you like ministry? Yeah. Yeah I'll give you some KMFDM. Okay. Yeah, I want to get in my industrial phase. Oh, you'll love it. Hey Hey Wow Okay, hey, I'm sold That really hit, that is a good hit I'm sold

You're sold, you'd love it. You would absolutely fucking love it. So let's get back to these groupies for just a second. I want to talk about one called Soul Pais. This is very recent. In mid April, 2019, a woman named Soul Pais, who was infatuated with Columbine, traveled from Miami to Denver with a one-way ticket

and purchased a pump action shotgun and ammunition. She purchased the shotgun legally at the Colorado Gum Broker, according to a post on the company's Facebook page. The gun shop is less than two miles away from Columbine High School, and she passed all background checks to legally purchase a firearm in Colorado.

Yeah, Colorado's had a lot of crazy shootings. Oh yeah, but isn't that the place where you just have to do the alphabet backwards? Isn't one of those like how do you get a gun there by basically naming your favorite Sesame Street character and if it's right, you

get it right? If it's anything but snuffle up a guess then you get a gun. Yeah, I mean, stuff will up against I still we were talking about how a big bird died in the challenger snuffle up guess would probably have more of a place in pop

culture because he would be so sad because he's sad. He'd be next. His sad. Oh, oh I thought you meant that his sadness would catch on. No, it's because he's next in line. He's next. No. He's Fredo. No, Oscar the Grouch is next in line. Snuffleupagus is Fredo. Snuffleupagus isn't real! What are we doing? He's not real! He's on the show. No, if anything, no, Snuffleupagus I don't even think is in the top five.

You can't kill what doesn't exist! I don't know. I don't know, cancel culture. Ask John Hinckley Jr. Do you see his dates getting killed everywhere? Cancel culture. Doin' it to him. Can you believe?

He's doing fine. I actually don't think he is. He's out of prison! He shot a president. He's fine. Claims another victim Pais had previously made comments about Columbine to friends and family members and had posted her thoughts about the massacre to online forums According to officials Pais had made credible but not specific threats before and after traveling from Miami to Denver credible, but not specific threats before and after traveling from Miami to Denver. She also raised suspicions by purchasing a one-way plane ticket for April 15th, 16th,

and 17th. Police in Florida contacted the Miami FBI office, which alerted the Denver office. Pais allegedly had a website in which she scanned handwritten journal entries talking about the massacre, the Columbine Massacre. According to a CNN article, she scanned her own handwritten journal she scanned her own handwritten journals and point of writing it by hand you know I fucked up this is because that's such a that's a tell that's a look into her mental space yeah well it also it's also a look into how lazy she is very much so because you should just tight you

That's what I do quite often with writing is that I hand write it first, and then I type it up I'm gonna help them edit. That's an edit round. Yeah, you never learned home row. No no what's home row? Yeah, the middle of the keyboard oh Thanks use the tap tap tap Fast one fingers you really tap you tie I go tap. I got fast one fingers. You really tap? You type? No, but I don't do full official good typing, but I mostly use these two fingers. Oh no, I don't. I use my wife fingers!

Your wife fingers? I don't know. Yeah, it's fingering fingers. Thank God she doesn't have serious. Yeah, she... If you do download the serious app and you're hearing this my beautiful wife Natalie, I love you I had a dream last night that your wife left you For who?

Just cuz you don't want to be with him anymore And you were living in this fucking horrible hotel this really weird Hotel it was like on the beach. Nothing's been the same since that play got cancelled Nothing's been the same And me and Carolina had to like you were so sad that me and Carolina were like bringing you groceries and You know we were driving this weird Volkswagen bug you better do this and understand that that's what you're gonna be doing But it was also 1978 that was the fun thing about it. Yeah, and yeah, you were living on the beat. I was just saying, send an Instacart. Yeah, no, no, no, we had to come bring it to you in our Volkswagen

Beetle. That's incredible. Yeah, and which is Ted Bundy's car. Yeah, interesting. Same time period. Interesting. How interesting. You dream in the past? Yeah. That's great Yeah That's never happened to me. I've never been like oh look. It's 1952. You know that's crazy He's also been researching can for six weeks Mentally in 1978 1968 to 1974 1974 But yeah, and then suddenly oh man you guys ever have that thing in your dream Do you get like really really really loud knocks in the dream and it jolts you awake? I guess the shit out of trippin and falling and I wake up and I was falling No, just the dream was going on like regularly and then I just heard like and then I just fucking get got up out

And I thought that there was someone outside my window, but there was nothing in there. There was just really loud knocks in my mind. Neighbor was Bill Wilkins. Oh, fuck you. Hey, fuck you, hey. Fuck you. Shut off.

Henry's wife can leave him. You need to be mentally prepared for when she leaves. Yeah. You can have it. Tell me, why is it Bill telling me? You're gonna have to. Don? Tell him! Tell me! You have to take care of him for a while. Talk with her!

Bill, you tell her! So back to Pais. According to a CNN article, some of the journals are barely legible, sometimes because of the handwriting, other times because of the scanning. There are a number of crude drawings of weapons, from long rifles to handguns and knives one drawing has a trench coat figure Holding an apparent weapon. That's why she scanned them because I don't scan them. You don't get the illustration You don't get the illustrations. I understand you don't guy remember I saw I read the Kurt Cobain diary book. Yeah, that was horrible Yeah, no, I don't Never I mean we're gonna do a revisit on Kurt Cobain in the future, but I'm I would never I don't get why they published

Like the personal journals up here just up So fucking gross, did you like montage of heck I didn't I didn't want to watch it because it just felt too gross Yes, you didn't yeah, and I don't even care for Nirvana. There was a better care for Nirvana too loud for Nirvana. There was a better hair for Nirvana. Too loud. Let's not do this here. He's allowed to whatever he says. I like the unplugged album. It's the end of the day. Ed's a music buddy. I greatly respect Ed's taste. I respect like his opinions about music. I'm never going to argue with him and tell him he's wrong. It's just a little surprising. Yeah. I like them. I like to watch them live when he's in the dress Do you like Alison Gales and chains? They're much better. I like them a lot more than I like Nirvana That's an opinion that takes true maturity

The first three albums after that it's not very good They're unplugged I like more than Nirvana's unplugged he's got a beautiful voice and even though he was barely functional during that unplugged You know more than Nirvana's unplugged voice. He's got a beautiful voice, and even though he was barely functional during that unplugged voice. You know, I would say, but what you probably like then is that you, I would say that Nirvana's too intense for you. We've really finally hit 1999. I think that it's important for you guys to know as listeners, we've just taken you back to what it was like to be there in 1999.

Yeah, exactly. I'm more sound garden than Mudhoney. Oh, okay. Well, I'm also more sound garden than mud honey. Good for you. Thank you. Well, most of the entries, the individual rambles about feeling like they did not belong in this world or lived in a different dimension. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.

Oftentimes they would quote song lyrics. One message on the website offered a dark insight into its potential purpose. The purpose of this site is for me to give insight into the thoughts I rarely, if ever, share with others, while remaining somewhat anonymous. One of the messages on its homepage read, Everything from journal entries to my personal entries. I want to leave a record of myself before I well... Dot dot dot.

I hate it. Before I well... I hate that so much. I hate drama queens. It's like just, if you're gonna kill me do it. Don't make a Facebook post. Just shoot me in the head if you're gonna. If that's what we gotta do.

I don't need to hear all your fucking, your vamping. Come on, just get it over with. Yeah. Now I wonder what the song nerds were. I gotta look this up. I am made in a box. I'm crowded in my shit. Oh my god.

Coal chamber. Oh yeah. I'm in a box.! Round it in my shit! Oh my god. Cole Chamber. Me loco! Me loco! Dude, I fucking love Cole Chamber back in the day!

You know Cole Chamber broke up in Lubbock? On stage? Whoa! You would've loved this lady! Yeah, I didn't- I fucking couldn't make the show. I was a big Cole Chamber fan back then, you know. I would love this lady. Yeah, I didn't got I fucking couldn't make this I was a big call chamber fan back then you know really loved new metal Yeah, and I couldn't make it to the show that night and my buddy Nixon like fucking talked me the next day He's like bro. You should have gone to the fucking show. They fucking broke up on stage Remember the bass player is very attractive very much. This is a fucking elder Millennials zone

The bass player is very attractive. Very much so. This is a fucking elder millennial zone. I don't give a fuck about your fucking ass. This is the fucking real shit straight from the dome of a bunch of dudes that need blood thinners. Oh yeah. Fuck yeah, bro. You don't know what that fucking shit was like, dude.

Big truck. Big truck. Big truck. Yeah. It's like written by a four year old. This woman thought that it was so, this was her catcher in the ride. Big truck. Big truck. That's the whole song. It's great. It is. It's really fun. And that cover was really fun too. It's like the guy in the ice cream truck. Oh, I loved it. Really fun. Yeah. No, it really turned me on. I saw

them on the second stage at Oz Fest. Yeah. it was a very dangerous mosh pit. I was the most dangerous I ever saw there was a skinhead with a knife between his fingers and he was slicing people up And it's a big-ass dude just came by it clocked him and knocked him unconscious. It was wild Jackie and I went to go see Billy Joel at MSG You remember when we went to see Bob Seeger and we all sat? Oh my god. That was my favorite. That was amazing.

Nah man, I got to... there were some fucking great moshpits. Like Slipknot was an incredible moshpit. We have lost the plot here. We gotta get back. These guys loved cold chambering Slipknot. Well they're fucking dead now. They're all dead. I would say they died right as slipknot first album was coming I

think it was 99 maybe 2000 they would have loved Iowa well 19 school districts including Jefferson County where Columbine is located closed while police searched for the woman she was found dead near the base of Mount Evans on April 17th, 2019. That was three days before the anniversary of Columbine of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Her body was found at the rest house trail near the Echo Lake Lodge in Idaho Springs, Colorado, approximately an hour away from Littleton,

where Columbine is located. It's actually really sad in a way that she committed suicide But also I'm glad she did that instead of killing other people. Yes. She killed us over the shotgun. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, yeah, dude fucking same thing with did you research about how? Cagney Lynn Carter the the porn actress also she did the same thing full-on. Yeah shotgun of the mouth. Not good. Oh Geez, who bummer Cagney Lynn Carter? Yeah, I was a fan it Kurt good. Ugh. Geez. Is that a bummer? Cagney Lynn Carter?

Yeah, I was a fan. Kurt Cobain? Here we go. Full circle. I was a fan. I liked her work. She seemed like a nice lady. Let me see her.

She just seems like it was sad. It seems like porn is a horror. It's like porn and wrestling. It's tough business. Yeah, it does bad things to people's brains. She looks like Casey Anthony. That's why I liked her. Not necessarily.

No, she's blonde. She looks a lot like Casey Anthony. That's why I like there not necessarily. No, she's blonde She's a lot like Casey Anthony when I worked at the village. I don't think she looks like Casey Anthony Take another look. Hey, I don't think she looks like Casey. That's with her with brown hair. I had a When I worked at the village poor house at a bartender that looked exactly like Casey Anthony When she was going out drinking all the time and the pictures started showing Up and then I was like, oh my god, Meredith. What are you doing in? My god Poorhouse one day we're talking about 420 and I'm like, oh, you know like to think about 420 is you know in Columbine All the kids who smoke weed they all survived because they skipped school

Yeah, and then one of the bartenders ran to the bathroom crying I was like what happened they're like she was that Columbine I've said that exact yelling statement. I wish I wasn't this man sometimes too. I can't, me too. I actually like, it was like three days ago that I was like, God, I wish I wasn't like this. I'm like talking to my wife on the fucking on the couch. I'm just like, I wish I wasn't like this. Yeah, I wish this wasn't my brain. I wish I wasn't like this. I wish I was something else. But you know what? That's what's putting food on the table brother. It is you're right That's like a dark little beanie yours all the torment you put yourself through every single day even in your dreams you are a

Podcaster and yeah, that might not sound like much of a title to a lot of people It really doesn't especially the HVAC guy that asked me today what I did for a living and I told him and he didn't know What it was but you know what for people that do know they like that. I by the way, I got a good HVAC guy for you Oh, yeah good great. Yeah. No, I need a guy who knows how to suck Can't trust those guys Yeah, he's anti HVAC, but I abstract people, but I also very helpful, but you know, I've caught him. I've caught him napping before Well the first one that I got time we'll talk about it after the show. I'll tell you all my HVAC adventures and why I like this and this new guy.

This entire episode needs to be called like an elder millennials event. You know what I mean? Like us just discussing things. Yeah. Because what is really the update to Columbine? I made a bad joke and made a bartender upset. Yeah Like was a fan On Columbine and now we're like actually it's pretty funny It was bad. We but it was more so like Understanding that Dave Collins book to wrap it all up Dave Collins book was not the bill and all-source

No, we use it at the time because we didn't really understand, but more so now that we have other views in, I still don't think it's that much different. It's not. But I do want to acknowledge that like, yes, like I, we understand that Dave Cullen's book had a firm perspective and we just kind of went with the perspective. We're like, nothing is as simple as anything wants. Anybody wants it to be. everybody wants a simple explanation Yeah, but Dave Collins work on like the cover-up of the police, you know that them covering up I was great miss that was great Like how all the myths of Columbine were created all of that was like that solid fucking information like the girl who said yes

Like how that myth was created and how like the pieces of shit Yeah perpetrated that myth, you know Like made the girl who actually said yes made her feel like shit and told her she was a liar and all that Like Colin did a lot of really great work in that book Yes It's just that he had a story that he wanted to tell and he skewed the narrative of like Dylan Klebold who he was as a Person he skewed it towards that narrative and that's his prerogative You know, that's fucking nonfiction writers do that all the time. And, you know, I guess decide for yourself whether that negates everything that he wrote.

I don't believe it does. I believe that he made a bad narrative decision as a writer, but that's it. I, you know, it's, it's important that I, when we do our research on last podcast and left like we really do consider many Views on the subject we are we try to get like a stereo version as much as we can Yeah But it's also we are using sources and so every source no matter what you do You're not going to escape bias it's not gonna happen But it knowing now as older people who've been doing this longer, like the way to do it is to put three conflating and and literal conflicting views together and see where they line up.

And then also, what do you know about humanity, which is why it's important for me. That's why, you know, when I get my diamonds delivered, I go out to the guy to the car. I don't want him to have to walk all the way through the security gates and the moat when he gets to my house. I walk out. I dodge all the dogs. Yeah, I go out to him because I want him to see the guy who's getting the Rolex jock strap. I want him to see that guy.

Can I ask a hypothetical before we go? Sure. Columbine doesn't happen. Do all these other spree shootings happen still? Yes, you think so? Absolutely Why why is America headed that way the Internet? Yeah, the Internet it's the Internet is fucking with us in ways that we will not understand for another 50 years I know proper mental health infrastructure. There's no wherefore. There's no like America is just gotten a little crazy and we got no place to go

if you are a dangerous person, but you have yet to commit a crime, but you know you're kind of on a way to do it. Like, you know, like, there's no way to sort of, like, track and flag when someone's been talking about this behavior, even though there's probably many ways we could do it. They, you know, like, we just saw it happen with that Ethan Crumbly, with the two parents that essentially, they both were the first time ever you had a mom that got convicted of manslaughter for like helping the kid basically buying the gun for the kid that went and shot up a bunch of people Yeah, like I it's we're just in a weird place

The reason why we blame the internet is just because the human brain just seems like it's not a lot Supposed to have handle this many points of view at once and it drives people crazy. There's also no media literacy Nobody knows how to fucking read a newspaper or understand that the internet your algorithm is only built to your Specifications so they think that the computer is talking directly to them and it's saying the truth But I you know Adam Lanza he wasn't on the fucking internet a whole bunch like there's not some of these guys are definitely outliers of course but i think it's it's i don't know if we're going to understand the mass shooter phenomenon for a long time it has to kind of stop for a while you know what i mean like in order for us to look back on

it yeah it has to kind of we need a break yeah and then we can look back on all the data well it's the it's the guy i've guy been reading this fucking incredible book by David Mitchell. He was the dude. He was Mark Corrigan in peep show. Okay He recently wrote a history book about like the history of British rulers. That's fucking incredible. It's so good But he talked about like the you know, Dan Carlin talks about the great men Theory of history the other side of that that kind of refutes the great man theory of history is the trend theory of history the other side of that that kind of refutes the great man theory of history is the Trend theory of history is that these things happen no matter what that's just you know If it wasn't William the Conqueror in 1066, it would have been somebody else Randy Yeah, yeah who united England might happen a couple years before a couple years after

but eventually like just the trends come and That's just how history works. Like it's just waves that we can't we can't things just fucking happen. Yeah, like things just happen and we can't do anything about it. And that's just the way history is and we just it's like more of a chaos theory type of way of looking at it than it is like a prime mover way of looking at it. So who knows? It's probably a mixture of it's probably a mixture of both. Yeah.

And like going back to what you're saying about the internet and social media having such a big influence on it. One of my best friends in the world. He's a teacher down in his school very close to Parkland next town over. And when all that shit went down, it's the next day. He's talking to his students and they're just, you know, you know, the curriculum goes out the window and he's just like, you know, what do you think? You know, as students as peers, like why do you think stuff like this keeps happening and every kid in the class said?

It's because of social media. It's because of the internet and then he's like do you think we should get rid of it? And every kid said no But hopefully we're getting there and then you know Even though the you know, the Sun is conscious We know for a fact that the Sun can think right? I've been seeing this around so many fucking place Look and just send the Sun flare. Let's just do it It might hurt the podcast for a while But guess what we're gonna take the podcast on the road and do it with megaphones live everywhere

So guess what it might help. Yeah, fun. All right. Goodbye everybody. Thank you for listening to the last update on the left. We'll see y'all next week. Hell Satan see you on all of the things. TikTok LP on the left. After we've just talked about that. Yeah sure go on social media. Go to patreon.com slash lastpodcastontheleft to see the main hub show on in video version. You can see your body's flapping around.

And we are also doing a live show that is not just a podcast. Go to lastpodcastontheleft.com. We're going to various North American cities, including Denver, and various Australian cities. Go check out the JK Ultra tour. It's going to be good. Yeah. Or better be at least. Bye, y'all. Bye, Hansaiden! Okay, bye. Hail, Alice and Shades.

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