Last Podcast On The Left - Last Update on the Left - Episode 5 - Mark David Chapman Returns

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

What do J.D. Salinger’s Catcher in the Rye and the Holy Bible have in common? They both contain explicit instructions to kill John Lennon—or at least, according to Mark David Chapman, they do. And guess what? Chapman’s been up to some stuff since that fateful day in 1980 when he snuffed out the life of the quote-unquote “Smart” Beatle. In this episode, the boys find out exactly what the fame-hungry murderer has been up to since our original coverage of him in Episode 315 on the Last Podcast on the Left—which includes being denied parole a grand total of THIRTEEN TIMES. Maybe he should’ve given peace a chance, huh? For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

That's when the cannibalism started Speaking of my mother we can start like that speaking of my mother My mom always says she remembers the day That what John Lennon got murdered. Yeah. Yes, but she said she didn't want to go on the train to go down there to Dakota. To Strawberry Fields. Yeah, because she said if she went to Dakota, that's where she went to go get stabbed by

a hooker. So she didn't want to go to the absolutely incredible moment in history to be a part of the group of people singing Imagine in front of the Dakota. Yeah. Because... Give a piece of chance. Yeah. No, no, no, no.

She wouldn't give a piece of chance. She decided that it was too difficult. She decided she was going to be physically assaulted outside of Central Park because it used to be violent. Well, yeah, of course it used to be violent, but at that moment, I mean, I've seen the pictures of the assassination of John Lennon like right afterwards, like there were so many people there and you know, it was like, you know, people were sad and all they do is grab at me. Henry Thomas, everywhere I go, there's no way I could go all the way to the city. I'm not going to the city from Queens, from the Queen, from Queens.

I'm not going to go to the city. She might've been in the city from Queens She might have been in the city by that point actually don't know either way John Lennon's fucking dead Yeah, welcome to last update on the left ladies gentlemen. I'm Marcus Parks here with Henry Zabrowski Going deep into the Queen's lore. Wait a second. Let me practice my Yoko It's more of a... It's more of a... It's more of a... It's more of a... It's more like a... It's more like a...

It's more like a... See, I've actually listened to the music. I've spent the hour listening to the I've spent the hour listening to the season of Glass! I listened to the Leno Uno band. I listened to all of that, but guess what, man? Either way, she also, she didn't stop jack shit. She should have been there because guess what? She was obviously told

by the CIA that Mark David Chapman was an assassin that was also being protected by the doorman. Mm hmm. Who is also who apparently shot John Lennon in the front? That's what we've been told we're here on our mark David Chapman Update now our mark David Chapman series. This is one of those that me and Henry both feels it It's an underappreciated series. I will never not die on that line In the sand because Because I love those episodes. I thought that Mark David Chapman's inner life is truly, truly mysterious.

So obviously, most of this episode is just straight up a commercial for an old episode that you should go listen to, because we're definitely going to go into- Is that what the whole show is? We sort of. But it's Mark David Chapman. There are updates, because we really are, for a lot of our topics in

this series, we are fully updating them. In this one, we did a pretty thorough job in our original series going deep into the life of Mark David Chapman. But the one thing that we don't do a lot on last podcast on the left, as much anymore is give a lot of credence to the left as much anymore as give like a lot of credence to the various conspiracy theories that are wrapped up. We believe kind of in the Occam's razor of most situations, especially when it comes to humans killing humans.

Yeah. And this we at the time, I think we did we even really cover the MK ultra angle because we were Mark David Chapman. I don't think we we did not mention it angle? Cause we were more- Mark David Chapman, I don't think we, we did not mention it at all. Cause we were more so interested in his inner life, which was so fascinating. Far more fascinating.

Cause do you know idea that, you know, that you can be sad in Hawaii? Lots of people are. There's a whole movie called Descendants about it. I did not know. I literally didn't know until we did that series. I was like, it's Hawaii. Yeah. They have a very intense depression rate and suicide rate

Yeah well Mark David Chabon's inner world like it was one of those things that started when he was a Small small child that he imagined that he was surrounded and commanded like these little people Yes He called them and he would play Beatle songs for them And he would crush them and kill them when they displeased him and would play Beatle songs for them and he would crush them and kill them when they displeased him and when he did things good for them they would say

All hail my king of music! Mr. Mourn, we love you! Which is fun, you know, I honestly I wish I had the same a lot of my little guys argue yeah and most of them honestly are pretty anti the content yeah just keep talking about it when we get ready for your insanity, please Yeah, I guess that's how you build up. It didn't work for Mark David Chapman But so do we have to tell people the Mark David Chapman killed John Lennon on December 8th? 1980 for those of you that don't remember and the reason why he is Fascinating and the reason why we all the whole world became interested in Mark David Chapman was because number one he let himself very easily be

arrested by the police he did not try to escape there was the weird stuff that was found in his hotel room like the picture of the Wizard of Oz cast yeah it was a picture of Dorothy and the cowardly lion yeah which I guess I don't was all four of them I thought it was just the Dorothy and the Cowardly Lion. There's a picture in that new documentary series that we're, we're not necessarily plugging. If it was, if it was all four of them, then the book that we used, get it wrong. Yeah, it's very, very possible. But this, we watched the new documentary on Apple plus that's called John Lennon murder without a trial, which is kind of, kind of trying to wrap up.

This is kind of where the update idea even came from. And so also Mark J. Chapman, he shot John Lennon from the back, three different shots, tight grouping, which is a big people, this is one of those weird red flags for some people about the type, tight grouping. And then also he stood with the book, Catcher in the Rye in his hands. And he was reading chapter seven,

which is then becoming like, I guess that is his important one. I believe that is the chapter where Catcher in the Rye, where he said it, Lord he said it like in the book. Said what? Like Catcher, with the one thing where it's like, and then they caught the kids

Like a catcher in a ride Like I want to say it's in that The title line The titular line You know I for one Think you know it's not all bad That this happened because that was the day I was conceived

Oh do you think that loosens your mother up? Do you think that when John Lennon was shot it made her wet enough to have sex with your father? Do they embrace each other and try to wile away? Ow! Ow! Is your dad Morty? Morty? What's your dad's name? Jerome. Oh, Jerry! Oh, Jerry! Make a big one!

Do you think that you have the soul of John Lennon within you? See. Oh, Spanish. So... Really, with the update, I mean, my biggest update is I know a lot more about Todd Rundgren now than I did then. We all do. Because Todd Rundgren, that was actually, like, that was the big misconception, was that the Beatles were Mark David Chapman's favorite band.

His favorite artist was Todd Rundgren. He was a massive Todd Rundgren fan. He left an eight track next to the Wizard of Oz picture. That was part of his shrine. I mean, Ed, are you a Todd Rundgren fan? He's great. Yeah. I like Todd Rundgren.

Yeah. But I mean, do you know some of the albums that he's produced? I don't know his product. I know he's like a big producer and I haven't gone down that rabbit hole yet He was the sound engineer for stage fright. Fuck. That's one of my favorite songs. Yeah, it's another whole album Oh, wow, the entire yeah, that was one of his like first gigs in 1970 I must have been hard cuz they were all fucked up Barely showing up to work. Yeah, man

No, he's been like a whole he had, they call it his Bearsville period where he was just up there fucking producing songs. He looks like a, he looks like if Brian Warner grew up and never became Marilyn Manson. I didn't realize that's what Todd Rundgren looks like. Yeah, he did two Butterfield Blues band albums. Wow. He has the longest head. Look at his head. He looks like Burt.

It's an extraordinarily long head. Whoa! Joe Walsh will run for his money. Joe Walsh Unexpectedly wise. But Joe Walsh's face is starting to get much more squat. He's starting to get that face where his chin and his nose are trying to say hello. His face is getting longer. Do you remember in Drop Dead Fred when the guy gets squashed? Which namely gives in his head's real long and flat. That's what Joe Walsh is beginning to look like Todd Rungrin's like I one of his biggest ones is a New York. He did the New York Dolls like debut album Oh my god, he did

We're an American band by grand funk Oh my god. He did, uh, We're an American Band by Grand Funk. He did a lot of stuff. All that mess shit. Yes. This is not a fully Todd Rundgren based episode. But the last thing, yeah. What else are we gonna talk about? There's a lot of stuff here. John Lennon still then. I love him. But the last thing, but the reason why Todd Rundgren is now, he actually does own a massive estate in Hawaii. Todd Rundgren is incredibly, incredibly wealthy because he was the guy who produced Bad Out of Hell. And he got points on Bad Out of Hell,

which is one of the best selling albums of all time. So yeah, so Todd Rundgren is like incredibly, incredibly wealthy. Still alive, not assassinated by a psychotic assassin. No, in fact, in a weird little coincidence, he is part of Ringo's band. Oh, wow, weird. Yeah. And Ringo was John Lennon's favorite Beatle.

And the first Beatle to show up. Yeah, well, it's because he was the only one that liked him. Because he just, he was just happy being there. He was just happy having a bit for good old toys. Yeah, what did McCartney say? He was like, ah, bit of a bummer. He was like that. He was very upset.

Yeah, they had gotten in a fight. It was a long thing. But some more with Mark David Chapman was that after the trial, so like let's cut after, he shot John Lennon. Everybody is torn asunder, obviously. The whole, everybody's gone. Everybody's freaking out.

They figured that Mark David Chapman was going to immediately get assassinated in New York. That's like one of the weird things that adds to the conspiracy theory fuel. One was that there were a double, a double was set up that would walk in and out of the hospital that wasn't Mark David Chapman that they did to protect Mark David Chapman

so they could get him to trial. So there was like a weird double. There was a lot of being like, there's multiple Mark David Chapmans. That's like one fun theory. Well, I mean, there's also, I mean, it could have been very likely that someone could have killed Mark David Chapman, like Jack Ruby stuff. Very much so. At the time, like John Lennon was like, he was a love, he was a very loved New York character at that point. Like everyone, like they'd say like, yo, like, John Lennon was like a new- he was a love- he was a very loved New

York character at that point. Like everyone would say like, yo, John, hey! And he'd be like, hello! People were just always waiting for him outside of his apartment. Yeah, they'd be waiting. Hello. Oh no, he's the one that's down there. He's John Lennon's, the deep one.

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But yeah, John, John Lennon was very well loved because that's why he loved New York City, because he could just kind of hang out and no one would really fuck with him. And what I actually learned recently is that John Lennon was at this time really starting to turn shit around because he very much had the reputation. And I kind of bought into this as well. Like as he was a bad dude, he was a huge asshole, but at this time he was starting to make amends for a lot of the bad behavior. He was starting to become unassasshole during this time period. His son, Sean, helped a lot.

Yeah, according to him. But also, he didn't get to the end of the process. So we did, which is sad, because he didn't get to fully absolve himself and change. He had walked away from show business for like five years. So he was basically in total isolation. The story was that John Lennon was trying to sort of become a person again, which it sounds like he was getting towards.

He had this beautiful relationship with his new producer. Him and Yoko were banging on pots and pans together. You've got his new son who he was desperately in love with, even though he kind of like left the other one. The other one's fine. The other one's working. He was starting to bring him back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was trying to work it out. He was starting to bring him back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was trying to work it out. He was trying to say I'm sorry. And then when he got shot, so obviously he died very quickly, but this is also where it gets weird is that, so Mark David Chapman allowed himself to be immediately arrested. The whole city is torn apart. The thing is that the first words out of Mark David Chapman was, I can't believe that it wasn't real because he had this concept in his head. According to the first people speaking to him, Mark David Chapman said that I was convinced

that when I shot John Lennon, I would magically transform into Holden Caulfield, who is the protagonist of Catcher in the Rye, who's the child who says that everybody's phonies. And it's also the book too, which is also cool because it changes as you get older. The more you read that book, the more it goes from when you're a kid, you read it and you think that Holden Caulfield's a hero. And then when you read it later on, you kind of realize Holden Caulfield's a young shithead. Yeah. Yeah.

But that's what you're supposed to start a young shithead. That's where you're supposed to, that's where you're supposed to come from. I missed the window. Like I didn't, I didn't read Catcher in the Rye when I was in high school. I missed the window to read it back then. I read it in college. By then I was already with all Hunterus Thompson. Yeah. I read it in college as well and I was like, I hate this kid. Well, I got to love the rest of the books. The rest of the family that is, that's not

in it like so- Franny and Zoe and all that. Yeah. I loved Franny and Zoe. That is one of my favorite books ever. The other series about the family is good. Like they're all great, but you know. And then JD Salinger is a weird guy. Yeah, JD and also I think like a year later, maybe two, I think it was less than a year

later, Catcher in the Rye was also found with John Hinckley Jr. Yeah. Who was at the, the, the vigil for John Lennon. And he is still obviously one of the more famous victims of cancel culture. Because they won't allow him to do shows. They don't know why. Everlasting Quest, I think is a good song. And John Hinckley got, he got the full, they allowed him out, which is part of the reason

why they think that Mark David Chapman's shit is a little fishy. So they were trying to make him be crazy. Everyone was trying to say Mark David Chapman's shit is a little fishy. So they were trying to make him be crazy. Everyone was trying to say, Mark David Chapman is crazy, why? Because he's crazy. Yeah, very, very much so. Completely batch it insane. He also said he thought he was gonna turn

into John Lennon after he killed him. Or no, I'm gonna go kill yourself. That was the second round. I went to go kill myself. I'm gonna go kill this version of John Lennon, this thing that is me, right right he was projecting himself onto John line And then he also said that he oh, but he expected himself to disappear into the ink of the book He said he changed the story so many fucking times

Well, no, it's oh for a while. He was trying to I think they were and and his defense were like this guy's crazy So they were trying to get a lot of people coming in. One of them, again, now, this is the next thing that brings in the conspiracy theory edge that we didn't talk about in the first series, was during this time period, when they were trying to figure out whether or not he was insane, or trying to basically prove that he was insane, there was a man by the name of Dr. Milton Klein that got involved during this process. This shit's bizarre as hell. Dr. Milton Klein, which there is almost no

internet footprint for, because he doesn't have a Wikipedia page, he doesn't have any stuff, he is not famous, but he is considered to be this hypnosis expert. For a long time, he was arguing against hypnosis for about how powerful it was. He said that he worked as a consultant with, which was, we now know the real, uh, program MK ultra. He also believed that he said that he said, he hypnotized Sirhan Sirhan,

that he would climb around the room like a monkey. That's what he said. And he went in to go talk to Mark David Chapman. Now all this happens, they're prepping for this big trial. Dr. fucking Milton Klein comes in some yada, yada, yada. They show up expecting for this trial to fucking be the trial of the century. Mark David Chapman pleads guilty. We hear nothing. We hear nothing ever again. To a closed courtroom. Yes. Yeah. Well, he was originally going to plead not guilty, we hear nothing, we hear nothing ever again. To a closed courtroom. Yes.

Yeah, well he was originally gonna plead not guilty by reason of insanity, but had said that God told him in his jail cell to plead guilty. Which means he's crazy. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the actual catch-22. Yes, yes, because also what we find, I hear a lot is that, yeah sure, you might not go to prison, but you'll then will go to a mental institution for the, like on the other end,

like a jail mental institution, which is apparently not cool. Yeah, apparently it's not nice in there. Where would you rather be? Oh, definitely mental asylum. Yeah. Only just because then I could get, but you can could do you think you get more stuff in a mental? Asylum or in prison you think in prison you get stuff to write with and stuff like more something like a prison for the criminally insane Yeah, I think you get far far less right like I think you get a lot of like everything is a blunted object

Yeah, you're not gonna be interacting the people you're gonna be interacting with are gonna be very dangerous and very unpredictable unpredictable all the time. It's gonna be hard to make friends in an environment. The cartoons are better. Plenty of bowlinkle. Yeah, criminally insane, but no football. Sometimes basketball. But Mark David, I was trying to think what else is really points towards it. So that was like, that was like one of the big things where they were like, so this is where we're bringing some of the conspiracy and stuff. Cause I received back in the day, I have a fun wall printout that is all of the various things talking about why Mark David Chapman was a remote controlled assassin trained by MKUltra, but

he wasn't trained to be the assassin. He was trained to be the Patsy. Yeah. Yeah. That's the idea is that somehow somewhere Mark David Chapman ran afoul of the CIA and that the CIA had programmed him to just go to this, he had to go to this spot and To pull the trigger or to I get a little fuzzy on the details That's because he had the gun and he pulled the trigger a lot of it's made up A lot of it's made up. They say that apparently it was that he never fired the gun at all

Yeah, so the the full conspiracy theory view is that John Lennon which is the fun little thing that makes conspiracy theories hold together, was that John Lennon did have a file on him. A big one. Not just a file. I mean, people followed him and Yoko constantly. Was it Cointel Pro? Isn't that what that was called? And so again, another real thing, another real thing that was during this time period,

Nixon was extremely paranoid about the cultural quote unquote war that was going on. He felt that John Lennon was destabilizing the United States of America. They went and looked at, they basically just tracked him. They were just like, and so they did a big thick fucking file on him. So there was like much like with JFK people point towards, well, that's like the first step that shows they had a motive. Have they got to file on anyone who makes statements that we should have peace?

They were afraid, exactly like it. They were afraid that John Lennon, that was coming back after a five-year absence, was about to change everything because Ronald Reagan was running for president. Is another thing that kind of chimes all this stuff together too. Well, he had already won by this point. Didn't he already? Because it's like- He'd won. Reagan was running for president. This is another thing that kind of chimes all this stuff together too. Well, he had already won by this point. Didn't he already? He'd won.

It's 1981. He'd won two years before. No, this is 80. 80, but it's December. He'd won the year before. But yes, he's the incumbent. He just won. But still, he's the guy that would be the most, quote unquote, detrimental to a Reagan

presidency. That's like what the theory was that they were using. I can agree with that. He was going to fuck the presidency and so what they did was they had a trained assassin that was More likely than not and this is proof and that just because it comes to wikispooks.com His is that it is a man by the name of Jose Padermo. Mm-hmm. No Jose Perdomo a man by the name of Jose Padermo. Now, Jose Pordomo, he was one of the doorman at the Dakota who was in front of John Lennon,

stared him wide. He was one of the big eyewitnesses of the murder. And he, and this is not just people saying this on the internet because we can't know for certain, but we know for certain because it it's said on the internet, that he was a member of Operation 40, which was the secret CIA Cuban assassination team that was going to be used to kill Fidel Castro.

And so this is a trained, not fake, this is a trained MKUltra assassin that is now a doorman At a very fancy New York apartment complex union. So mark David Chapman is the Hypnotized patsy he has received all of these various things He's been hypnotized to leave these super suspicious these things behind I guess there are some people also within the MK Ultras, I guess, did not like Todd Rundgren.

Yeah. Well, I mean, Todd Rundgren, that's the weird thing about it is that there's so many of these weird things that don't make any sense, like how he went to New York once, but then, like, it's proven that he went to New York. Scouting trip sent by MK Ultra. But why does he need to scout if he's programmed? Scouting for to see if the thoughts in his brain work that were made up. So you got to go and put him in the New York one time. You're like, well, let's just see if he runs into traffic. And then if he doesn't like, you know, cause you train them and then we're like,

Oh, this will be Mark David's day out. He'll go and have fun in New York in the big city and we'll lightly See what he does and so the a does a bunch of weird stuff in New York for a while Yeah, he's a he goes and sees like he has a fucking fantastic weekend He goes and sees David Bowie perform the elephant man. Oh, yeah He goes and sees it he goes and sees another show the next night He goes sees like George C Scott perform if none of this Like makes you understand that New York's beautiful and you shouldn't kill,

you should act, nothing will. Or you should just go. Just go love. It's a magical place. Maybe not anymore, but back then, absolute fucking stardust everywhere. Yeah, they're barely murdering people like they were back then. Yeah, and Jay, he just don't do it quite as much. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely down from, you know, the 2000 that it was around this time,

2000 per year. Yeah. I think they're back down to like one a day, maybe two a day. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's a different city. Definitely. Yeah.

Back then, yeah, Mark David Jadman went a couple times, like, and then he decided, I think it was after he went have you ever seen ordinary people? Yes, yeah, he went and saw ordinary people Thing is that whole line of like I looked it to the abyss With that no, that's Nietzsche. Yeah, it's Nietzsche. What did guy say? You said what did Timothy Hutton say because he was so moved by Timothy Hutton's performance That he decided I shouldn't kill John Lennon. Really? Yeah But he still did it. Yeah, that was the first trip. He went for the first trip

And yeah, he went and saw Bowie and he said that's the fucking thing is that he's sitting there watching Bowie play the elephant man And all he can think is like man I could really pull out my gun and kill David Bowie right now She's to do anything about it fucking cuz he had a fucking 38 special on him and so he goes and sees that sees this and then he goes to a screening of ordinary people and He comes out and he decides like I I love my wife. I don't want to kill John Lennon I shouldn't kill John Lennon. I should go home to my wife. So it calls up his wife and says hey, honey I was gonna kill John Lennon. I'm not you know, I decided like I'm go home to my wife so calls up his wife and says hey honey, I was gonna kill John Lennon I'm not you know I decided like I'm coming home crazy because the woman is like the mom is like the villain of that movie

When I calls out yeah, he calls up his wife like I'm gonna go and then he goes But he says that there was a voice that he called the child That told him that he had to go do it because it's not uncommon for killers to blame their crimes on some other worldly presence. Ted Bunny had the same thing. He called it the entity. The entity made him do it. It wasn't him that actually killed and raped and murdered these.

It was the entity. And Mark David Chapman said the same thing. The child told me that John Lennon was a toy that he once had that was broken, and now he was angry and he needed to destroy his toy because John Lennon had become a phony because he read this book. It was all sorts of like convoluted mess,

but then, you know, long story short, he goes back. And do you know the fucking Rosemary's baby story? No. This one's incredible. Yeah. Okay, like this is the most incredible coincidence the fucking Rosemary's baby story? No. This one's incredible. Yeah. Like this is the most incredible coincidence I think in all of true crime. This is fucking nuts. So it's the day before the assassination and you know the Dakotas where they film Rosemary's

baby. That's very much so. Yeah. Yeah. So Mark David Chapman is sitting like across the street from Dakota, you know, on one of those benches bordering Central Park and he's looking at it and he's thinking about, you know, Roman Polanski directed Rosemary's Baby, and, you know, Roman Polanski is married to Sharon Tate, and Sharon Tate was murdered by the Manson family.

And as far as Mark David Chapman knew, the Manson family murdered Sharon Tate because of Helter Skelter, which is of course done by the Beatles. And as he's thinking about all this and thinking about all the connections, fucking Mia Farrow walks right on by. Yeah, it doesn't help when you're in where all the stars are. Yeah, Mia Farrow walks by and he says at that moment, he said it was a sign. He said that was the sign that I was doing the right thing, that I was on the right track. She probably lived two doors down.

Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, or it was just a woman with a pixie cut. Yes! Like it really very, very well could have been a woman with just a short haircut. I saw Yoko Ono in the street before and she was very unmistakably Yoko Ono. Oh yes, yes.

You know, it's interesting, cause now, so after all of these years Cuz like they're really been trying to figure out like why everyone wants to know why well He changes the story over and over and over and over again. Yes, right? It's I think he's he's almost to the point where he's saying like I did it for attention He finally that was the big breakthrough apparently, is that that was in 2022. Which is apparently when he got his,

that was like the last time. So I guess, yeah, he was in 2024 of this year. He was already, he had one last parole with these and I, but the closest he got to being let go was in 2022, where they basically said said I wanted the fame I wanted fame I wanted somebody and I want and he wanted to be as somebody and nothing was gonna stop that I actually also wonder if he just is trying to tell them whatever the fuck it is They want to hear at any point. Yeah, try a new tactic at some point

We started with the Lord and then it turned into then he tried to admit that it was pre meditated And then it's like each time It's getting a little bit more detailed and Yoko goes each time to make sure that he doesn't he doesn't have an opportunity to be paroled But it's weird because in the Patsy idea is that yes, he goes he does like he goes and changes all this other stuff I'll never quite understand the idea of a Patsy only just because the idea like I Feel like a Patsy is like easy mm-hmm versus an assassin Yeah, Patsy is easy. What's like finding a Patsy? I Feel like he doesn't need to be hypnotized to be a Patsy well I think exactly ask around we're looking for someone to take the rap for John Lennon's murder

What do you think? You call them interns you gave but I wonder like, you know, I feel like you can kind of if you wanted to actually put like if you were shooting from the government you want to kill somebody and You wanted then framing up somebody else you could elaborately set up their home Sure than framing up somebody else, you could elaborately set up their home. Sure. You literally could take the gun, that the guy you trained to kill the guy, he could take that gun and just,

you, he hands it to his connect, who gives it to the guy who breaks into the Patsy's apartment, who puts all the weapons there, you know, like, you put the guy there where he needs to be, and then you basically blame it all on him. Yeah. I don't think it's that difficult,

but the idea that Mark David Chapman was hypnotized to be arrested, that's the idea, is that he was to take it and then go and act super crazy, essentially. And that he was, his brain was specifically scrambled by MK Ultra training, which is what made him crazy. But now as we're seeing, I feel like as the years go by My contingency my feelings will always be

These guys all talk on their deathbed Why in the living fuck will we did not have the guy that trained mark David Chapman come forward? Well, why wouldn't mark David Chapman at this point just say just come out blame the government Here's all of this stuff. Blame the government that this happened to me. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Well, unless he's being threatened like, we'll kill your wife.

Because his wife is still with him. Oh, really? Oh, bless her. After he was sentenced, she moved from Hawaii to upstate New York. He's in Attica. Oh my God. And so she lives there. They actually get to spend

44 hours a year together yeah they sure an hour a week I know no it's not it's not a lot of just fly in for that I guess the problem is is there ain't no fucking dick like that Mark David Chapman dick and she's straight up addicted to it she missed getting fucking full full on gaped by that guy. Now you remember he doesn't like having sex because he says vaginas scare him because he says that he's scared that he will be enveloped by their warm wetness. That he's just going to fall into it. You don't think that that don't make Gloria happy?

Warm wetness is like why I do it. Yeah. Yeah, but I think he's afraid it's going to go, and then you go, and then all of a sudden you're in Barbie. You're like in that world and you don't know how you got there. I feel like, or does, if you get sucked through the portal inside of a vagina, do you think it's more you go to like a Ruth Bader Ginsburg world where it's just like women voting and writing books? I don't think every vagina goes to the same place.

I don't know. I think there are many portals through many vaginas to many places. Or do you think Carolina's vagina portal takes you? Oh wow. Slater Kinney concert. Oh that's nice. It's really fun. Or maybe a Bikini Kill concert. A concert of some sort involving women. Okay yeah that's awesome. Yeah. It's really fun. Or maybe a Bikini Kill concert.

A concert of some sort involving women. Okay, yeah, that's awesome. Probably Bikini Kill, yeah. Yeah, wow. Bratwurst Festival for me. Julie's gonna be mad. Julie's gonna be extremely mad saying like, oh, my vagina portal brings you to a sausage festival?

We are not getting serious. I don't have to worry about... It is serious. This is the show I get to say all the things about. This is dead serious. This is dead fucking serious. Mine is a twisted carnival. And kiss is there.

Well, him and his wife, Mark David Chabert, they like making homemade pizzas together. They watch Wheel of Fortune together. You mean prison made pizza. And they're watching prison Wheel of Fortune. What's prison Wheel of Fortune? Oh man, it's just always like, don't buy a vowel. Because it's always an A. You don't want to know what you own when you buy that vowel.

What was the weirdest thing about Gloria is when she was interviewed, which I still have no idea why she did this, but when she was interviewed she's like, I'm sad that he had to die. Yeah. And it was just like, well, as people point that towards being super mysterious too. I just think she just didn't understand how to talk properly. No, I don't think that she was used to television. Her lawyer was a moron. That whole concept of like, we'll get all the press in one room and then they can ask

every question they ever thought of you. And then just like this woman who's never had any sort of media trading whose husband's a total psychopath who killed one of the most famous people in the face of the planet, she wasn't ready. No, no, no. She, they said that they speak about John Lennon together. They pray for Yoko, that Yoko finds Jesus. Ugh.

Yeah. Whatever. Also, I find it, there was one other weird connection that I could not find any actual exact information on. Okay. Because no one would tell me. And I looked it up on the internet, I couldn't find the exact thing, talking about connecting Mark David Chapman back to MK Ultra, which is this idea that he had a pastor. I want someone to reach out to me, side stories, LPOTL at

gmail.com. I tried to look for the name of this pastor that said that he worked, he was when he was in Georgia, that Mark David Chapman was in this with a pastor that was connected to Nixon. And all of this puts him back into why he was even chosen, that he was groomed as a little boy, that they saw that he had, because one of the big indicators that they used for MKUltra apparently, which again is all, I don't know, what's real and what's the conspiracy end,

which is the idea of using kids with schizophrenia as a great way to train them. That's a good one to train to be an assassin. Well, Mark David Chapman, if you follow the MK Ultra storyline, I mean, he would have actually been a very good agent because Mark David Chapman, when he was a kid, he was what they called a garbage head back then, where he loved doing, like he would sniff glue and then he would do a bunch of acid. That's right.

He might do like eight hits of acid at a time, you know? And then eventually like after he had like, after a guy like a hippie stole his wallet at the beach, he became disillusioned in the hippie movement. And so he turned into like a Jesus freak as they called it back then. And so if that pastor did find him, I mean, Mark David Chapman showed signs of schizophrenia.

If he's, that's a thing, but you're also, you're always going back towards like, what is Mark David Chapman telling me? You know, what is Mark David Chapman saying? At what point in his life is he saying all this shit? And what does he want out of it? Because it very well could be that Mark David Chapman is just a murderous, narcissistic shithead.

He very well could, I mean, at the end of the day, it could just be a narcissist with a fantastic imagination. Yeah and trying to desperately get off and what he thought was going to be easier. I think at some point he thought that the going to jail, going to the mental asylum and being guilty by reason of insanity was gonna be easier. So he thought, oh, okay, I'll just act, I'll build a case for acting crazy after just really just wanting to be famous for killing John Lennon.

And then essentially you hear like what we were talking about where it's like, no, you're going to go into a mental asylum for the criminally insane. In which you are going to be slobbering on Thorazine for the rest of your life. You're tied to a bed forever. You're not going anywhere.

And so even in, I think prison got to look good. I think he was like, all right, yeah, all right, get my dick sucked and stuff. Like I can get in there and do a lot of stuff. I can make wine. And then he continued the act for many years. Like you remember the episode where he was acting up and the, what is it, the orderly came in the room with the

needle? He was like, yeah, break the needle off in my ass. Break the needle off my ass. Put it in my ass. Yeah. Yeah. Love doing it. I love that guy.

I love that guy. Let him out. But he kept it up for years and years and then he just eventually, I think it's usefulness, I think it kind of got old. And I think he just, I think he might've done it just to amuse himself. He very much so. And just to kind of keep the story going and to keep like the Mark David Chapman, like to keep himself relevant. Because if he just goes into prison and it's just quiet, then, you know, nobody's talking about Mark David

Chapman anymore. But if he's crazy and he acts crazy, then people will, you know, keep the legend of Mark David Chapman going I'm surprised you didn't try to put out an album like like Manson did well. He wasn't a musician First girlfriend said he was a very talented guitar player what he never wrote songs of his own as far as I know Yeah, he played Beatles songs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he would charge little kids in his Neighborhood like money to watch him lip sync to Beatles songs. Whoa!

Like Jinx Malone! That would be incredible! I would love to see Mark David Chapman lip sync for his life. Can you imagine a lip sync battle between Mark David Chapman and John Hinckley? Oh come on, let's do it. Oh, but they have to do Imagine. Which is going to be very, very difficult for people watching. Oh, come on, let's do it. Oh, but they have to do imagine Which is gonna be very very difficult for people watching I also you know

He could also I you look at all of it and on then the the simplest explanation to is that he was just Absolutely that shit insane that could be he could very well be entirely insane And then just don't you have to be a little bit insane to do it? You know, I don't know. Now that's the old argument. You gotta be kinda crazy to do it. But really the whole thing is whether you know the difference between right and wrong. And he knew that killing John Lennon was wrong. And it was definitely premeditated.

He had to go down to Georgia to get the bullets. He had the whole shrine and shit. He had a, no, he did made two trips to do it You know he you're like it yeah You had the whole thing of like wouldn't it be something if I killed John Lennon? The thing about crazy is that a lot of times it becomes Criminality comes around when it's also paired with being kind of stupid unfortunately, is that I feel like crime is more about impulse control and how you react to your own emotions.

And a lot of times, unfortunately, in people that kind of have lower intellectual abilities, they have less impulse control. Most of the time, I think that the intelligence is kind of what, like, yeah, obviously there both, but it's more like understanding what you're doing when you're doing it. Yeah. It's the theory going around that the reason why the world has gotten like just progressively weirder and worse since 2020 is because so many people came out of COVID

with permanent brain fog. And since they have permanent brain fog, people have a lot less impulse control. So it's just, people are just generally like worse. I also think that there, they were a little bit in the, this obviously is completely off the topic of the episode, but I think we're a little bit in a, caught in a fake virtual matrix where people also sort of believe

that the internet is real. And so they are driven insane by that. Yeah. Yeah, they're not, it's a- Can you imagine if he had an, I feel like we're lucky that it was back in the day when he had to go shoot, sadly, he had to go shoot an icon to get famous.

Where like, I feel like in this modern time period, Mark David Chapman would have just shot up a school. Shot up a public space. That shows the difference. Back then, you had to read a full book to get crazy. You see, now it's just a meme. And that's another thing that makes the Zoos fucking lazy. Is that they're not putting the work

into their assassinations. I want to see a reading list. I want to see actions taken. Oh, you're going to kill me over Zoom? I don't think so. You're going to want to get out there and put your feet to the God-impsomate. All right?

Paper resumes. Here's an interesting new wrinkle to the story. It's like new, it's not new, but it's something that, you know, I discovered since we recorded the episodes. Apparently, I don't know if James Taylor's just trying to get in on the story, but in 2015, he went on Stern and said that he encountered Mark David Chapman the day before the murder. What? Yeah.

He said, Chapman pinned me to the wall glistening with maniacal sweat and tried to talk in some freak speech about what he was going to do and stuff about how John was interested in how he was going to get in touch with John Lennon. It was surreal to have contact with the guy 24 hours before he shot John. But this why didn't he do anything? Because he was on a lot of methadone. Oh, point in the early eighties. He's trying. He's trying to get off heroin. He was a big motherfucker though. James Taylor. He's like, He seems like he's kind of jacked. I always find it strange when those guys that play light acoustic guitar are super deep

into heroin. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because it's always like, I've seen better, I've seen mean. But I know that song's about finding a woman with a blood coming out of her nose and that shit her pussy and she was fucking dead and shit. But it's like a song you hear at Joann's like shit her pussy and she was fucking dead and shit. But it's like this like night, it's like a song you hear at like Joanne's.

Yeah. Is that what it's about? It's so, yeah. I thought it was about his like girlfriend that died in a plane crash. Yeah, it was about his girlfriend that died in a plane crash. It's not about a woman being found

with feces in her pussy and she's dead. Yeah, flying machines and pieces on the ground. That's what that song's about. Fire and Rain. Oh. What are you thinking of? Oh, I was thinking of the other movie. Oh, he's like a great song called, oh, that's what that song's about fire and rain. Oh What do you think it up? Oh, I was thinking of the other movie Oh, he's like a great song called. Oh, that's what it is. I mix it up with she shit her pussy. I found her there Yes, yeah

One of my favorite James Taylor songs she shit her pussy King actually wrote it Makes sense because of its understanding of women. Yes, I love that song. Well, why did he do anything to stop him, dog? Well, this is one last interesting factoid about Mark David Chapman is that when he returned to New York for the second time, he got into a cab with this guy named Mark Snyder and he told Snyder, quote, I'm a producer from the Rolling

Stones I just got back from a recording session with the Beatles they just got back together and then when Snyder asked like hey do you remember any of the new songs just Mark David Chapman just got angry and said forget it. It's all scat. It's a scat album. And I saw her standing with the taxis. Oh shit, James Taylor pull over. And I saw her standing with The cab driver dropped him off he said my name is Mark David Chapman you will remember my name Hey, that sounds like most of the people I imagine who have to drive uber in LA and have to deal with Los Angeles in general

Yeah, yeah, you will remember my name. My name is treyton montgomery the seventh you will remember my name now I'm sure you guys have covered this on the show in the past But I just got to know for my own personal knowledge Why do we always get the middle name of the assassin you know what no one's ever been able to figure that one out It's one of those yeah, I mean you don't get well They say it's always the the assassins that are three things didn't finish the those. I mean, you don't get, well, they say it's always the assassins that are. Yeah, Hinkley didn't finish the job. Hinkley didn't finish the job.

Yeah. But you get John Wilkes Booth. You know what I found out a really interesting factoid about John Wilkes Booth the other day is that John Wilkes Booth and his brother, you know, they were both like really famous actors. Yeah. And they raised money for a statue of Shakespeare that is still in Central Park to this day. You know what play they performed?

Julius Caesar. Whoa, wild stuff. Lincoln's secretary. Did you see this? Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. And you know that Kennedy was killed from a warehouse and and the man went to the theater and Lincoln was killed in the theater and the man went to a hidden a warehouse

oh fuck I'm gonna come just fucking thinking about it. Um, so in the end, we were gonna update Mark David Chapman. And we went, we had our intrepid researchers research, and we went and we researched, and we found out a lot of the stuff that we were gonna update you on is fake. Yeah, but we're just sort of on a track right now, and we just kinda have to keep going on this train But I know matter what towns it stops in I know for I knew that we weren't gonna find definitive

You have evidence. What is some of the fake shit? We cut all of the thing most of the things that we've said except Except for the facts about like yeah, and the Todd Rungrin stuff. That's all he definitely was a sound engineer for stage fright He knows that for certain. The stuff about Operation 40, I don't know, and the stuff about the hypnotist, we don't know. Stuff about the Patsy stuff, we don't know. We don't know if the doorman was trained by CIA. I'm not sure.

From the documentary, first of all all it said murder without a trial. The third episode is called The Trial, so I don't know what the fuck they're doing. I am going to just say, again, we're not paid by these people. It was a lot of padding. Yeah. Right? I got a little upset for a second. Am I not right?

Am I not correct? A lot of these documentaries. It was a lot of padding. Maybe we'll talk about this further in another episode But a lot of these true crime documentaries these days the three four part motherfuckers cut it down to two because What caught it down to two there's most of us now in the year? 2024 just imagine Netflix when you're making a documentary

Imagine 75% of your audience has a podcast that has done an episode on this serial killer. So just know that before you make another documentary, because we know the story. We didn't need an hour. Maybe this is just straight bitching, but I don't know if we needed the hour explaining who John Lennon was, who Mark David Chapman was. What was that? Because it's's like would I be here? Would I be at this juncture? watching a new

Show about Mark David Chapman try to learn new information About Mark David Chapman if I didn't know who the fucking Beatles were because that would be really fucking stupid What am I doing? I mean just living my life going on Wikipedia on the letter M So yeah, so check us out Patron.com slash last podcast on that's where you see us do fucking shit Yeah, I check us out on Instagram and tick tock go to twitch.tv slash LPN TV to see our Twitch content and check us out last podcast on the left comm to go see us live all over North America, and I believe by this point will have announced our UK and Iceland show

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