Last Podcast On The Left - Last Update on the Left - Episode 9 - The Unabomber

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

UNLEASH THE UPDATES! This week, the boys bring you an epilogue on infamous killer Ted Kacynzski - recapping the crimes that landed the hooded villain in jail, the story behind his iconic hooded outfit, his time behind bars, and the mysterious demise of the infamous Unabomber. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Live on your blade. That's when the cannibalism started. Last update on the left. Oh, shit! Ready? I have three more peccles to you. Go ahead. Four and a nice, fucking throat.

Fucking thick, duty, dukey-filled throat. You fucking piece of shit. I don't want to do you're not a piece of shit. I don't have a part with my mouth with a peanut butter and it's longer. You're a good man. You're a good man. Oh, I can start this is all part of the show. You're a good man.

You don't have to do this. I was a scary fan. Oh, I'm a someday on life. Yeah, that's Ed Larson. Yeah, it is. He started it. He did. He did.

And he said before we began, he was like, I've got three more pretzels. I got any of my pretzels and me, my pretzs. We're talking about the Unabomber. Ted Kaczynski would want me to have these pretzels. No, he wasn't. No, he absolutely would not, because those pretzels are a product of industrial society, man. What do you eat?

Fucking rocks? Yes. Rocks and sticks and frogs and birds. Birds. What did he eat, though? He's a vegetarian. Whatever he found. He was a forage.

He was largely a vegetarian. I actually was just reading about this because of his time in prison. He was a vegetarian. He would go and he would source roots and stuff. He wasn't eating well. He'd also go into town. He didn't look great.

No. He would go into town, I think, once every couple of months, and he would get stuff like rice and stuff like that's what he mostly ate. Yeah. He wasn't a big eater. He was very, very skinny. This is the last update in the left. Mm-hmm.

And we came together today to talk into. microphones. Yeah. About how you should never fucking trust your in-laws, man. Oh, dear, fucking your brother's going to sell you out. Fucking he knows your dumb shit phrases, man.

But we wanted to cover an update on I've always been fascinated with the life of serial killers in jail. Yeah. Because I don't know what it is. I think it's because the more you get into a true crime, I think I am

to true crime, you are to music now, Marcus? Okay. Where you like, you like music so much that now the music you list to is stuff like, ha, uh, uh, cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck, like a man making the words of the sound of a chicken. I need to, I need to introduce you to Carl Hines Stockhausen. There's this piece called hymn. It's only like, you know, 54 minutes long.

Yeah, and it's like, oh, I don't know. And then you're going to hear that they've left the microphones on for a while. left, they've gone to lunch, you hear them all like, they're all like doing and speaking in German. You hear them like clinking. Actually, that did happen on a Cannes song called, um, where a child like wandered in to the room while they're recording and

she screams and there's a dog barking at one point. But again, can makes it funky. That's what they do. They fuck it. They do it well. But I am now into the true crime sphere where I'm not, it's not bored just by the crimes themselves. I love the crimes. Love the crimes. And I love researching about the criminals.

but I'm fascinated about the fact that, like, once your killers go into the fucking closet, once they're in jail, we largely don't pay attention to them. And I think that, like, as people that are consumers of true crime, you kind of forget that they even exist because they went away. And you're like, oh, the part that was interesting is over. But no, it's not true. Because I think it's actually fascinating what a lot of these guys do behind bars. Because Richard Ramirez, perfect example. Nettic. Once he got netting.

At knitting, and knitting, and knitting. Well, Robert, Richard Ramirez, he would go and he created sort of like a loose sort of cult following after his time in jail, where he'd get young... Let me tell you about this. I got an idea. Day stalking. And during the day, it takes place from 9 to 5. I day stalk an office each day. I have to be there at 8.45. I have an hour where I'm allowed to lunch stalk some salad.

You'd be surprised after you don't have action. access to intravenous cocaine anymore, just how exhausting nightstocking is. You wouldn't even believe. I could. The coffee's not doing it. Five hour. Energy drink isn't doing it. But he started... I love a matinee. But he talked about, he created like a little cult

where he had these little in-cell dudes where they would write letters. They would fantasize about what they would all wish they could do to women together. He would, they would send him like pornography. But he kind of had this like crew, John Wayne Gasey. Yeah. He used people like Herbert Mullen.

Like, he used fellow lower-level serial killers to do his grunt work from inside of prison. John Wayne Gacy would have them paint his paintings for him. He had a whole production system where he had, like, other famous serial killers. When I believe one of the Chicago Rippers was another one of them that they would paint his paintings for him. But today we wanted to hit upon a guy that we lost too soon. Ted Kaczynski, we lost him. God, I miss him. I believe we lost them at the young, young age of 81.

Wow. I don't know. My compass, he was. Is it suicide in 81? Yeah. If you have stage four rectal cancer, is it suicide? I don't know. So let's talk about it.

Let's talk. I mean, Ted Kaczynski killed three people, injured 23 over the course of, God, what, 30 years, 20 years, something like that. Let me look over this season of crime. He is also known as the, you love him, you miss him, the Unabomber. They wasn't entirely incorrect domestic terrorists. Now, this is, he is, he's fine. That's the problem with him is that, like, you read industrial society in its future now, and you're like, well. Yeah, that was a bad stuff in there.

The Spanish crimes, it was 17 years. Yeah. It was from 1978 to 1995. Wow, you did that math in your head like that. You can look at 78 to 95, and you can just be like, That's 17. Well, what I do is I subtract back. I subtract back.

I take five away from 90. I get to 90, and then I go to the number, right? I get to a zero. And then I add back the old number. Wow. You know, Ted Kaczynski hated math. No, it's the opposite. No, he was good at it, but he hated it.

He said it was boring. Well, he was... He said, I'm not going to stay in college playing games. Well, it's because he got his mind destroyed by M.K. Ultra. But what's incredible is that one of his papers that he published while he was studying math is still used today. It's still cited. It was a revolutionary paper.

The man was an absolute genius. And so, you know, we're going to, we did an entire series in Ted Kaczynski. You can go watch the television series where I believe Paul Bettany played him. Paul Bettney. Did you watch it? Yes, I did a little bit for when the last time. We were doing some update. I think it was when he died.

I was watching that series. It's bad. I liked it. He's too sexy. I know. It's Paul Bettney. He's definitely skinny. Yes, he's definitely skinny.

He's not skinny enough. Ted Kaczynski, Paul Bettney's obviously eating 100 milligrams of protein every day. He has abs. Ted Kaczynski should be he's shaped like a rigatoni. Like, Ted Kaczynski is not supposed to have no muscle definition. Paul Bettney's out there. He's got the cum gutters. He's got fucking, he looks good with the scraggle beard.

Yeah. He does play a robot. He does. But yeah, there was that movie. I made him look kind of sexy. It made him look, I mean, it definitely didn't do, it made him look far sexier and far more appealing than he really was. Because he was not.

But as far as a TV show goes, Manhunt, pretty good. Yeah, it was good. So he got pulled out of his shed in Montana because... I saw the shed. You ever see the shed? Yes, we'll talk about it. Let's get there. Yeah, we'll look at there.

You got pulled out of a shed in Montana, largely because his brother caught him, because I believe that he'd used the phrase, you could have your cake and eat it too. He said you can eat your cake and have it too. And it was a mistake, right? Like he fucked up the phrase which is how his brother recognized him from his letters

to the police and his manifesto because he said this phrase. And so he got picked up. So now, like, we know that he was arrested. One thing that when he was picked up is that he was so smelly that some of the officers vomited. Wow. He's a smelly, smelly boy.

And now we pick up for our update episode. While he's fucking sitting his keister ass in fucking Supermax prison. Yeah, Supermax United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colorado, affectionately known as the Alcatraz of the Rockies. Oh, wow. And he had a lot of buddies there. Yep. Got a Dozar Zarnayev, the Boston bomber.

The guy looks like Nick Turner. Yeah. 9-11 conspirator Zacharias Musau. Terry Nichols is still. there. Oh, wow. Yeah, from the Oklahoma City bombing. Wow, what a fun cast. Robert Hansen, the FBI agent turned Soviet spy. He's still there. Ooh, that could be interesting. Romi Yusef. Romsey, Yusuf. Romi Yussef. Romi Yussef. Yeah, Romi's great. Yeah, Romney's great. Yeah, I like Romney. I don't think he's in death row with fucking

dead. Yeah, Ramzi Yussef. Yeah, the guy that was behind the first World Trade Center bombing. Allegedly, that's what, because Tim, because that's the thing is. The guy who tried to get his money back? Yeah. Because, like, Ted Kitt, no, not that, yes, yes, the guy who tried to get his money back. Yeah. Because, yeah, Ted Kaczynski did get to know all these guys, including Timothy McVeigh, until Timothy McVeigh was executed in Oklahoma.

All these guys knew each other. They all hung out together. Oh, yes. And Ted Kaczynski, he always made sure to say, like, allegedly the mastermind behind the world trades, the first World Trade Center bottom. Because he believed him. He also was really, really close to Timothy McVeigh. Yeah.

And they would send writings back and forth, and they got to be very friendly with each other. And I forgot one of the things that he sent him that was, like, wild to me. Was it the books that they sent between each other? Oh, yeah, the books that they sent back and forth. Would they talk bombs? I'm sure it came up. Oh, yes. Yeah, I'm sure they, because Ted was all about the small bombs and Tim was about all the big ones.

Yeah. Now, these letters are all read. before they reach the other person. Not always. No. Actually, these letters were smuggled in between, like, they were, you know, privately between, you know, attorneys or other inmates or paid off prison guards. You know, like, yeah, these letters between these guys were definitely not read by other people.

They were only discovered later. Or Ted Kaczynski saying, like, yeah, I got this letter from Timothy. This is what we discussed. Here it is. Yes, the book that they got was to, he gave him a book. Timothy McVeigh gave Ted Kaczynski a book called Tainting Evidence Inside the Scandles of the FBI crime lab, and he was like, it was incredible because it was all about problems inside of the FBI and corruption inside of the FBI.

He loved it because Ted Kaczynski fucking hates the FBI. And then, but he said when he was really touched, it was right before Timothy McVeigh got fucking oufed by the state, he fucking gave him a copy and smuggled in a copy of Into the Wild for Ted Kaczynski. Oh, really? Yeah. Ted Kaczynski just loved it. Well, I guess it makes sense.

Right. He would love it. Because he spent most of his time. Living in the woods. And so it is interesting. So he's in this supermex prison, 23 hours a day. There's only one slit of light that goes in the ceiling, right? They have a little patch in the ceiling that they're allowed to look out because they can't even see the mountains.

He's in the mountains of the Rockies. They're not allowed to see any of the Rockies just in case you can triangulate your position and communicate to people. They've never had anybody escape from the Supermex prison. But they said that Ted Kaczynski absolutely. loves it. He doesn't like he said the food's not bad. He said some of the problems has mostly been getting vegetables and he said largely it was because

he went from living in the shack to moving into the Supermax prison and he loves his cell. Yeah, the cell was bigger than the shack. He loves it. You saw the shack. I saw the shack. It was at the museum. They had it which is now gone. Unfortunately.

Yeah, it was a great museum. You went. Did you go? I wasn't able to go. But no, I heard it was $300 million. It was $300 million. in debt, and they had to shut it down. Yeah, yeah, they didn't have a chance. You got to stop knitting against the museum. No one was there. But they did have the shack downstairs, but oddly enough, when I went there the same

day, you can like look in it and stuff, it was pretty cool. But on the same day, I was bored and had nothing to do in D.C., and I just, like, walked into the post office museum, and they had a huge Ted Kaczynski exhibit. You're talking about this out. Like, the post office uses the Ted Kaczynski, like the Unabomber story, been like, Yeah, we do shit, too. Yeah, we fucking got this piece of shit. They're like, this is the postmaster's badge and done that was there on the day of the arrest.

It's dangerous to be a mailman too. Yeah, yeah. It's like the first crime they saw. So we killed a horse during the Boney Express. Do they use the cabin? The reason why was that they airlifted the cabin up and out during the trial. It's because his defense team wanted to use the physical cabin as his, like, the evidence that Ted Kaczynski was completely

insane because he was literally just he was collecting his scat he was doing all the shit because he didn't want anybody to know that he was out there so he was just like he was literally just sitting on buckets of his own fedded rodding Duke and it was bad in there and there no toilet

yeah dude well he had a hole that he opened up and pissed and shit and two and then closed it back up again and I'm sure that took care of the smell someone who's so smart how did he not get plumbing he was it It's very difficult to do plumbing. Ask Rob.

You can be an expert on a lot of things. And being a plumber is extremely difficult. Oh, man. So that guy was surrounded by two types of locks. Eddietunes.com. Yeah, the cabin where he lived for 23 years. Crazy. Like, he would just sit there in silence so still that there was an outline of his body on the wall from the soot that came from his.

his wood-burning stove. Damn. And they could even find, like, where he, like, sat because the oils in his body had seeped into the wood so much. Wow. It, like, had his, like, footprints. Did he not even have a chair? Yeah.

No, he had a chair, but, you know, you're sitting on the chair and you're sitting your feet or down on the ground and your feet coming. Yeah, but no. His oils, his very essence, it's still in that fucking cap. Can you imagine that? Just fucking. The oil. from your feet in staining the wood.

That's how much your feet, your dirty feet have been in one place for so long. Like that one girl they found when the one that was attached to the couch. They found a lot of people like that. Oh yeah, the person attached to the toilet. Remember that? Yeah.

They cut the toilet off her. Now, the, um... Oh, yeah. Live from your blade. I'm surprised he never blew himself up because one of the things that was interesting to me is he wasn't really a great bond.

He wasn't great at having them go off, or at least he wasn't great at having them make as big of a boom as he wanted. Yeah. And I think that's why he never blew himself up because he was so careful. He knew what he didn't know, and he would rather risk the bomb not going off as big as he wanted it to rather than experiment with bigger and bigger bombs. Makes sense. Yeah. So that's why it's 23 maimed and 3 killed instead of 28 killed. But he had a piece that none of us will ever understand.

I love this quote from him. He talked about when he was living in the woods and what that time was like for him. When I was living in the woods, there was an underlying feeling that things were basically right with my life. That is, I might have a bad day. Might screw something up.

But I was a free man in the mountains, surrounded by forests and wild animals. Here it's the other way around. I'm not depressed or downcast, and I have things I can do that I consider productive, like getting on working on my book. And yet, knowledge that I'm blocked up here and likely to remain so for the rest of my life, it ruins it. And I don't want to live long.

I'd rather get the death penalty that's been the rest of my life in prison. Oh, well, it really turns, it really goes on a dime there. This is great. You don't always talk about how peaceful the woods were, but it's like, you're sitting there trying to kill people. That's what was peaceful. It was peaceful. It's like all the birds like, do, do, do, do. building your bomb, like just sitting there, being like, oh, I like to, I normally like to pile my gasoline near the river.

Who I can hear it babble, like, as he's like building a pipe bomb while two squirrel, like he's feeding squirrels. Yeah, I mean, in the Supermax prison, the biggest complaint that he had was that the hamburgers were overcooked. Yeah. Since today again, I received an undercooked hamburger. Like some other inmates, I refuse to eat undercooked hamburgers. undercooked meat can transmit diseases. For example, salmonella and tapeworm. Yet we often get undercooked hamburg.

Shut up, Ted. Shut the living fuck up. Before I bash your head against the wall, Ted. You're going to get what you get. You're the Unabomber. Yeah, how good are the hamburgers in the fucking woods? Shut up, Ted. Yeah, exactly.

What the last time you fucking hand in a bag? Last time you ran across a hamburger tree. Did you go to the Taco Bell Ravine? What are you fucking talking about? No, I love what a former inmate The Supermax said about him He called him just a fucking weird little guy He said that he wouldn't even go outside

Even when he was... He had an hour long, but he has hour long of recess every day And he wouldn't take it. Yeah, all of them have an hour long outs And it's like it's outside And the fact that you're just not in your cell anymore Like there's no grass

It's just another concrete room With sky You know, a concrete room with no roof And a pull-up bar and that's it. Yeah, but they fucking... You got to, who you're going to hang out with, you know? Nichols? He was having a great time with Ramsey Yusuf.

He was having a great time with Timothy McVeigh. He would play, I believe he played chess with Sirhan, Surhan as well. Sir Hans, he was with Manson. He was with Manson, but I believe they did male chess. Oh. I believe they would do like, they're the most boring. Is that all bishops? Well, yeah.

Kaczynski, I mean, his time in Supermax, like, it's kind of incredible to think that, like, because, you know, solitary confinement is torture. Yeah. You know, it's absolute 100% torture. And it's incredible to think that somebody could actually thrive in those conditions. He was just so, every interview that he gave when he was in Supermax, so serene, so calm. Yeah. So confident. Well, he was in isolation the entire time.

Better cry. They should have put him in Genpop. now that would have been absolute torture for him it would have been done well it's it's funny yeah because it's like in prison I feel as an extrovert prison would be hard for me

because they don't like funny guys well yeah because I feel that my natural because that's what he's always said like if I ever go to prison like I'm just going to be the funny guy I know I've learned I've learned that that is not a good person to be

in prison a lot of times it makes you you're calling for attention then maybe you don't want to get You're so stabable too Oh, extremely I just like I just mean like I just want it's don't we want to be

I'm like the personality hire for the prison Don't we just want to have fun with it guys Come on guys Think about the vibe But you know It's schedule Fridays But the great thing is that he's got so much loose skin

Is if he got slashed And they probably wouldn't hit any organs They would go for the organs They'd know they'd know They don't have to kill I'm not worried about them Finding my organs But I feel that yes

So as an extrovert It would be difficult But also as a person You could be activity's directed Oh absolutely kickball, not my balls. But I, you know,

but also as a person that does need to recharge, I would find that prison would be sort of difficult for me mentally. Yeah. Because it would be so hard to have your private time too.

We're like, Ted Kaczynski, at least he gets a lot of that. That's got to be because they don't like a funny guy. He's not funny. Yeah. So he must get along great.

It's like how I was reading about how Bernie made off. People loved him in jail. They called him the Don. Yeah. You know what you mean? Like he goes around, like they give him shit.

Because he robbed a bunch of rich people. And then he does everybody's taxes. Yeah. And speaking to which, Bernie Madoff and Ted Kaczynski died in the same prison hospital within a month of each other. Whoa. Yeah. Isn't that nice? Just two ships.

That has some nice. But it's like Ted Kaczynski was really a lot. Like, he was perfectly suited for this. He's far away from everybody. He's not allowed to build his bombs anymore. I feel like there's also be nice to kind of give him a couple of things where he could fake build some bombs. At least Legos. Yeah.

Yeah, that'd be fun. I feel like he'd do something dangerous with us. So, Ed, you said that funny guys don't do well in prison. No. Like, I mean, you spent a little, a tiny bit of time in jail, but for prison, you spent a lot of time with Jeff Ross for the prison roast. Yeah, but that was a jail. That was a jail. That was a jail.

That was a jail. That also was. That's why some of the people were murderers because they hadn't finished their trials yet. Yes. And so they were, but yes, they have since been convicted. Yeah. Do funny guys do well in jail? I feel like jail's fine because everyone's getting out.

Like when my time in jail, I only got like one joke off, but I was also very depressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you shouldn't be. So it was like, it was, I think if I was there another week, I probably would have been funnier. But yeah, yeah, if you really knew the name of a lamp, you could find out what all the guys, like what impressions everybody got. Yeah, I definitely didn't shower the whole time I was there. No, I would hold off as long as possible on this one. Yeah, and I was able to get out without one, so that was nice. I do feel, email me to know this for certain, side stories L-P-O-T-L at gmail.com, but I do think that, well, we know about Ted Kaczynski that he's a stinky boy.

Yeah, right. You know, I know that he does shower twice a week. He says he is sensitive skin. So they allow him to shower more, I believe. Well, he actually showered less. Is it less? He showered less than he was allowed. He didn't like shower.

Wow. Wow, no way. I don't really like it either. But yeah, but you shower. Yeah, I have to. Yes, because you're a functioning member of society. Yeah. And it feels good afterwards.

Yeah, I love showering. It's like stretching. It sucks while you're doing it. But as soon as you're done, you're like, I love showering and stretching. I love shitting. I love showering and stretching. I wish I could do it all at once. Massive inconveniences, all three.

I wish I could shit and shower at the same time. I definitely stretch and shit. My asshole, that is. But I do think that there is a prison etiquette when it comes to smell. Yeah, well, if you stink. too much, he'll beat the shit. That's what I'm thinking is that if you don't, like, I think that he probably must be in solitary confinement.

I mean, he's fucking dead now. At least isolation. Yes, he would have to be away from everybody because he's smelly. Yeah. Well, he might also be a naturally smelly person. Oh, yeah. I just have a musk that's baked in. Yeah, absolutely.

You imagine what his balls were like? Hmm. But they're fun. The, um, now, he, did he ever kiss anybody? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, remember he was working with his brother. Like he got out of college Can you imagine Ted Kaczynski

practicing kissing on his hand? Mr. and Mrs. Kaczynski. Mr. and Mrs. Angela Bassett Kaczynski. He was working with his brothers at his brother's company

and he went on a couple of dates at this girl and she broke it off and so he retaliated by leaving all of these very mean notes about her all over the company. And he, thankfully, his brother came in early that day and was able to remove all the notes before everyone saw him. And then he fired Ted.

And that was, I think, the last time that he saw him until, and they communicated through letters, like, here and there. So, Mom's so happy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He must have been so happy to fire his brother. Oh, man, it had to have been horrible. Ted's a problem. You know, I've been rewatching the Jinks season two.

Yeah. And I feel like in that scenario, it's like what the rest of the family, but the rest of the Dirst family has to deal with with Robert. Well, obviously, they've been trying to help him recover up ship, but mostly they'd just wish he'd fucking disappear. You know, like, just being like, we are really sick of dealing with Robert. Ted's a problem. I think Ted's a problem. Yeah, Ted's a problem. Yeah, because you say never trust your in-laws is that, like, Ted was definitely a problem to his brother's wife.

Yeah. 24-7, yeah. Always being like, does Ted have to come to Christmas? Yeah. Well, because he hated her without the meeting and, like, for some reason. Well, because he was probably in love with his brother. I don't know. I just didn't think he liked the ladies all too much.

I was like that butthole surfer song, I am not impressed with my brother's wife. Yeah. And I'm not saying that he was like, not that he didn't like them sexually. I just don't think he enjoyed. Probably the asexual spectrum, and I don't think he enjoyed a lady.

I don't think he enjoyed anybody. No. You was not, well, no. He liked environmental terrorists. I think he loved Timothy McVeigh. Yeah. Him and Timothy McVeigh got along famously They really did get along well

Like we're not joking about that Like him and Timothy McVeigh Really got along well Like genuine friends Because again you know like It's like I like to talk to comedians Because they get me They are the two most famous bombers

I guess I don't know if I put it that way I'd say Osama been a lot And still number one Yeah But would you really consider him a bomber I would I wouldn't

Well I consider him a friend And a family member And it's somebody I really look up to But I also view him as a bomber Yeah Yeah yeah I wouldn't say he's a bomber, Ed? I mean, he definitely set off.

He had people set off bombs, but I don't think he ever built one. He's an executive producer. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But, yeah, he's not in the act. He's not sitting there with the screwdriver and the sand and the whatever. He came up with the idea. So you consider 9-11 to be a bombing? There was a lot of gasoline?

I would say it's a bombing by plane. They used a plane as if it was a bomb. Yeah. I would say they used it more as a missile. That does a bomb. Nope. Yep. Nope.

Oh, this could go on for hours. I'm typing that into Google. A missile is not a bomb. I think we need to ask King Cooper. Because he had these bombs. Okay. All right. This is all fine.

This is only correct because this is the most pedantic, fucking condescending thing. The only reason why it's correct is because, yes, bombs are considered stationary. Missiles do travel. They both blow up. so fucking if you throw a bomb it's a missile yeah but no one leaves a missile on the subway not yeah not one that we don't you don't think they haven't tried oh excuse me i have this is my emotion of support missa

oh actually te kazzynski did have he had some feelings about 9-11 oh he loved it he had opinions oh yeah well he was mad that i guess partially that he didn't do it Most, well, it was more like he had opinions about the invasion of Iraq, the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Yeah. You know, he supported it. He supported it at birth. He said Saddam Hussein could not go around willy-nilly making nuclear weapons. I don't think all these petty little dictators around the world should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. Yes. So he was anti-Saddam Hussein. He is a bomb expert. Yes. He's so we have to like listen to it, unfortunately. Yeah.

Yes. He felt reasonably sure that the politicians, his motivations for invading Iraq and more to do with their own egos and their own drive for power than any unselfish desire to prevent the harm that Saddam might do with his weapons program. See, again, oddly correct. But then he also said though, which is also funny, is that

he offered, he wanted to vote for Bush because he said, apart from, he said that one thing that Bush was doing was he as opposed to stem cell research, which he supported. But Gore was all the environment. He hated it. That's his whole thing. He didn't want it. No, didn't want.

Well, he said that he wanted to vote for Bush simply because he figured the re-election of an incompetent president and his irresponsible gang will help weaken the American system. Oh, okay. So he's talking Bush. He's doing the first carry. Yeah, dude. He's doing dirtbag left. Yeah. I'll teach Biden a lesson.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's doing that whole bullshit. So he probably voted for Gore. No, he wasn't. He was already in prison. I don't think he voted. I think the last time he voted was like 1970.

I don't think he's a big voter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like, walking down the dirt road, fucking stinking a mile away. No, he's not registered to vote. Yeah, dude, the idea of like, he doesn't have a driver's license.

He doesn't fucking, to be honest, I don't think he's allowed inside of like a domestic government building. But he was a professor of Berkeley for a short period of time. For a very short period. He's the Unabomber. He's not, anything he was

before the Unabomber doesn't down anymore. He's the Unabom. Yeah, he's the Unabom. Yeah. I mean, his biggest thing was when he was at the University of Michigan, which they still hold his papers to this day. There's like a Ted Kaczynski archive at the University of Michigan. Talk about not separating the artist. So I got to go break my Annie Hall DVD. But all these mathematicians are all the used in Ted Kaczynski's work. I hate Annie Hall. I don't even like any hall, but still. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, you got all the, you know, all the Nazi guys. came over. Oh, we used all that shit, you know. But we were branded it. That's the difference is that we took it. We took the Nazis' names off of it. And then we put it, we whitewashed it through American systems. That's why we're allowed to use it. This has

Ted's name on it. It says, Theodore Kaczynski on the paper. And you still have to go, K for Kaczynski. You have to go down to the fucking library and choose that. USC still has OJ's, uh, uh, uh, uh, heism. I still feel like OJ is less. OJ, oh, wow. He only killed one last person. How do you say it? Yeah. But the maimings were pretty bad with Unabomber.

If you talked to, they were pretty badly maimed. You see, those poor fucks that tried to tackle OJ? That is true. They got juked. They got juked and isn't a maiming a type of juke. God, that is true. It is a type of juke. Man.

So the people who got maimed by them, like, what's their, like, I mean, obviously, what's going on with all of them? I know there's 23 of them. Is there anything notable about any of them? I mean, well, you know, they were professors. Some of them were airlines executives. They actually, Ted Kaczynski actually owed them a lot of money. They were owed, I think, like $15 million in restitution.

And in order to pay that back, like, I mean, it's not like Ted had like stocks. Yeah, no, no, nothing. They held an auction. But there was a full-on auction of all of Ted Kaczynski's, like, various personal effects. God, I wish I could have got $15? Oh, no, dude. I fucking wish I could have gotten that hoodie in the glasses.

Yeah, let's go through the items here. Okay, this is wild. Kaczynski's hoodie, sunglasses, and the other items that he wore as disguises. The one. Yeah, like the big, like the shit. I didn't realize his costume, yeah. It was real. No, it was real.

They saw him. Oh, okay. $20,000. He only had one hoodie? He just so. Yeah. But that was the closet. He was minimalist.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 20 grand. Okay, that's not bad. 16 million 900. His Harvard undergrad diploma and University of Michigan Ph.D. diploma. That was sold. I don't have a price for that one. Wow. But the handwritten rough draft of his manifesto

sold for just slightly more than the hoodie. That was 20,053. That's it. I'm actually surprised. I mean, like, how much you think it's going to get? You see, what I would do with the first draft is I put a couple of gay sexings in there to see if people were really reading it.

One of the big ones, and I get this one selling for $22,000, because this is a hell of a display piece. His typewriter. Oh, yeah. That's got Tom Hanks written all over. We would love that. You'd give that to chat just to sort of like connect with him on something. A copy of his handwritten autobiography where he wrote about his decision to become a serial killer.

That was 17,780. Whoa. So did he write that in prison? No. This is all stuff that was found in his shack. He wrote an autobiography before he got caught. Yeah, dude. Yeah, he knew.

What else is he going to do? He's got nothing but nothing else to do. Yes. Yeah. His personal journals, this is an interesting. Highest one. Highest selling the item. $40,676.

For all the journals? For all of his personal journals? To be honest. Oh, dude. I, yeah. there's a part of me that thinks that like obviously I'm not going to spend that I mean that's an insane amount of money

No one should be spending that amount of money on anything That you can't drive or live inside of But it's like my My estimation is like I'd spend some good change For the BTK journals Yeah those are the type of stuff I've been pricing some stuff Because I've been looking through

Some murder billia Some well not I don't do murder billia But I do stuff like I was like bidding on LRH's Personal Scientology handbook. But once it gets literally like, once it got past like two grand. Oh, like, one of my

what am I going to spend this money on here? And it's like, what is Natalie going to do? Yeah. When she finds out that I'm spending multiple thousands of dollars. I think I just met. Yeah, I'm not going to do this. I'd also get like some, a little bit peeve. Yeah, I just love it. I mean, I'm, I want some more LRA stuff. I've been

looking for LR8 stuff, but it's very expensive. Yeah. Extremely expensive. It's got to all be fake. No. And you're giving the money to sign No, you wouldn't give it to. Well, you give it somebody who's outside. You'd be giving it to a squirrel. The only thing that I actually thought about, like,

that was like this level of price and like this level, but they were selling the Moog synthesizer that they used, that David Bowie used on Ziggy Stardust for $20,000. I mean, that's great. That makes sense to me. Like that, yeah, right? Yeah, that's an investment. No, that's great.

That's true art that'll be worth something that you could sell to a museum. But I still feel like. in value over the... But I feel like I would get something like that just to play like hot cross buns on it once a time. Like once a week or like... Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, been like, oh man, I should have

I should have got Ozempic or something for this money. No, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. It's good to do it. But that to me, that's not murderbillia. No. No, I'm just saying like an artifact. Yeah. Like a really cool artifact. I'd buy the shed. I actually did want to bring up to a but the guy

called the unit trucker. The guy that was forced to move the cabin. What are he talking about? So the guy that moved it was this guy that was a truck driver. He got pulled over twice with the shack on the back of it as he was driving across the country. And then they let him go. They didn't take it apart and put it back together? No.

No, they had to do it. Like hole. They had to dig it out of the ground. And then, but this guy, they, afterwards they got him a little license plate that said unit trucker. Oh, good. That's where he drove around the country in. His family's kids got it for him. It's fun.

That'd be cool. I'd do that. Well, in all the auction, out of the $15 million that was owed to the family, $190 grand. There you go. That's almost like $15 million. Yeah, $190,000. Yeah, I bet they probably got a couple of mortgage payments out of that.

Not much. Right from York Lane. What a piece of Ted Kaczynski memorabilia would you be interested in buying? I am not interested in his last. legacy or any of his stuff. I personally like... Some twine. I like her brown paper.

To be honest, I said it was the hoodies in the glasses. Yeah. The hoodie in the glasses would be fun? Yeah. Everard. I feel like when you got me... You got to try on Charles Manson's jacket. Yeah, I forgot I got to try on Charles Manson's jacket.

It fit you? I didn't realize you that type. It's so small. Yeah. He had a big jacket. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that it fit...

It's a big army jacket, right? Yeah. It's not that it fit me well. It's that it fit him. poorly yes he was very very small yeah he was very small but ted kizinski i find him to be mostly boring i think that what's interesting about him is the fact that there the fact that we helped create him much like uh my actual favorite bomber osama bin laden where we helped him get this way because we get we put him through the mk ultra programming yeah uh he was all checked up and i i don't know because you know what it is too is that like you still use you

the male, which takes technology, I don't know. If you really wanted to do that? I don't know. I've always kind of viewed him as kind of a hypocrite. I think it's fucked up. We get one Polish professor and it becomes the Unabob. There's a George Zabrowski.

Professor George Zabrowski? What's he fucking professor in Barogis? Oh, fuck you. Fuck you. Barokies are an ancient. He's a fucking professor of progis studies at fucking asshole dumb shit university. Rockies have a rich history

But yeah, all of this sold through heritage auctions This guy John Hickey said that the collectors He said, guys certainly over 40 And maybe 50 and fairly affluent They're going to want All right, I feel like there's racism there. How dare you think that just a bunch of 40-year-old men are going to buy and spend a bunch of 40-year-old men are going to buy

and spend a bunch of money that they're trying to spend instead of giving to their wife during their divorce settlement by murderabilia from Ted Kaczynski. Yeah, how much did Kevin Costner get? But Hickey is also a collector. He's sold Bonnie and Clyde wanted posters.

Sold John Dillinger's wooden gun. That's a cool artifact. Okay. And letters from Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh, very interesting. But now I still don't like him. I'm just glad he's fucking dead. So now we know.

Ted Kaczynski, he died. What did they do with this body? We've been, you know, I was interesting is that they have a new, have you seen the Ted Kaczynski fleshlight? The big man of his butthole. It's like horrible, horrible, like, ant-filled butthole.

Riddled with rectal cancer. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he did. Yeah, he was riddled with rectal cancer. But he's still off himself. Yeah, yeah, he did. But he did, he wanted to take it in his own hands. Well, that's the thing is that some people suspect

that he may have been murdered. Well, that's what they said he may have been murdered. After all these years. After all these years that someone finally took into their own hands because he died from suicide by hanging himself with a shoelace from the handicap rail and his death brought upon questions of how he was able to have access to shoelaces, especially because this was right after Jeffrey Epstein's suicide and security was ramped up considerably. And if he was depressed, as they said he was, he would have been monitored 24-7.

They would have removed dangerous items, but most likely just no one gave a fuck about an 81-year-old zero killer who had stage 4 rectal cancer. I legitimately think that, let's, I'm going to say generously, that they were not watching him with as much attention as they were before. Yeah, he's got to be boring as fuck. And people are sneaking him letters from the Oklahoma City bomber. I'm sure they can get him a shulet. He obviously was planning this for a while.

He got the, I mean, I imagine. that having not only is rectal cancer not fun yeah right I think that having it in prison is worse yeah and it's right

yeah well he did spend the last year and a half of his life he did not spend it in the Supermax prison no he was in a hospital he was the federal medical center buttoner and butner North Carolina of course they're like he's got rectal cancer it's son of the fucking butner

that's where all our two hot, butt-based officers are, we've got Mr. Dr. Reginald He's mostly trying to see if your pooh-boos brown enough. Oh, man. Emergency responders perform CPR. On him? On him, yeah. They have to. They have to. Can we get a tube or something? You're not supposed to do the breaths, is what I heard. When I took my CPR classes, so the breaths are kind of a waste of time, if you're going to get them restarted, just keep it in the chest. Hey, man, don't tell all our fucking horny-ass

lifeguards, dude. Fucking, I do lips first, dude, fucking blowing my dick, man. See if the air can get in my fucking bowls. Fuck you, Ted Kaczynski. Yeah, why are you trying to resuscitation him? Pushing his beard away

to get to his lips. And having him like, if I was him, if I had any left inside me, do one last like yeah oh you want to fucking kiss Ted Kaczynski oh I see what it out is Mr. EMT man

you're horny for the Unabama huh yeah kidding you want it for the Unabama it's just fucking going in there dude fucking woo tongue kissing him and then the fuck I'd be mad

complained about rectal bleeding in 2021 got transferred to Butner and then he got biweekly counts of chemotherapy, and in 23, decided that the chemotherapy was too much, and he decided

he would rather bleed out of his asshole to death. He got chemo for two and a half years? Yeah. Why? Because, you know, five-weekly rounds. It was about a year and a half. It was because it was available. It's available. I mean, yeah, we did, you know, prisoners, no matter

how, but we kind of taught, we touched on this a little bit with Catherine Ramsland, but you deserve, you have to, what you give one, you must give all. Bill Cosby's personal trainer in jails made him look incredible. And he got out of jail. Like, all of a sudden, Bill Cosby's hot. It's fucked up because there's people out of jail that can't afford chemo.

Oh, yeah. No, no, it's awful. You know, but I do believe that we do need to treat prisons, prisoners fairly. We know this. That is the last one. Then they shouldn't get health insurance. We know that we should treat them fairly. And it's important for them to be taken care of in that way.

But, yeah, Ted Kaczynski, he might have not. have deserved it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that we could give, I feel like, you know, who's in jail that doesn't necessarily deserve to be jail? Like, back in the day, like, Rosa Parks. Right? I don't know if she didn't go to prison. But you know what I mean. Who's a jail that, like, we're sad about that they're in jail? I mean, Nelson Mandela was, he's fine. That was a tough one. He's fine. I mean, he's dead now. Wasn't Mahmoud Abdul-Jabbar? Jabbar? Who's that? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's chef? Mumae Abu Jamal. who's that he was a cab driver that was convicted of murder but he was innocent wow yeah i learned about him by from rage against the machine wow yeah tomorello man yeah i read about i read the book in college in high school and was like man man system's fucked Tommy chong shouldn't have been in jailed

no no yeah that was a fucked up one not sure i want anybody fucking anybody's fucking serve as leave yeah man should be free dude amen last prisoner project yeah we're still fucking with last prisoner project and do great, but they didn't do anything for Ted Kaczynski. Well, he didn't smoke enough weed. No, dog, because if he did, dude, he'd be fucking chill, dude. You definitely would have blown himself up. And that's also

what's really important for weed. I think that's an important point to make about weed is that it does make our soon-to-be serial bombers lazy. Any serial killers get stoned? Yeah, Richard Ramirez. Jeffrey Dahmer. Gasey got son. Jowen Gase. He loved it.

Yeah, a lot of them did. Yeah, we didn't help them, no. Yeah, no. Well, there goes that argument. Yep. Yeah, I do wonder sometimes if Ted Kaczynski had gotten the acid experiments of MK. Ultra instead of the straight psychological torture, if it would have turned out differently. I don't know.

Because, do you know Ted Kaczyzinski's MK. Ultra experience? I had no idea. Yeah, well, he was a part, because, you know, M.K. Ultra had a lot of different arms, a lot of different tentacles. There were a lot of people that were doing M.K. Ultra experiments that didn't even know that they were a part of mk ultra they were put a they were basically taking money from the u.s government that was mk ultra money but it was hidden essentially yeah so what it happened to him at like university of michigan or something is university of michigan because remember he went to university when he was 16 15 something like yeah Harvard yeah Harvard yeah and so he

participated in this psychological study uh where he told this professor his deepest fears his darkest thoughts you know everything like everything that you know made him feel bad every single little thing and then that professor as a test took everything that ted told him and then mercilessly mocked him with it and just made fun of him and just absolutely because the idea was like we want to destroy someone's ego we want to destroy someone's psyche this is 16 year old genius and ruin them yes yeah exactly yeah it's so fucking aggravated and they did it And this is, and so many people point towards this is why Ted Kaczynski ended up being such an anti-social personality. Oh, yeah.

Because he was absolutely destroyed as a child. Yeah. And that's why you're only supposed to roast the ones you love. Yeah. Because you should be out of love. Yeah. Actually, think of it like that. Think of it as the most psychologically devastating roast you could possibly think of, but without jokes.

Yeah. Yeah, just insulting you. Did he know he was a part of NK Ultra? No. He didn't know that this was the experiment. When did he find out When they started insulting him Yeah years after the fact

But he never knew it was an experiment We know as a society That he went through that He had no idea until way after Yeah Even even did not Yeah if he found out He found out in prison

Because I'm pretty certain That did not come out until the 2000s Yeah that was a fairly recent discovery God what's that like What's that like Just sitting in prison Because you're a piece of shit And you're like

Oh it's not my fault It's not yes That's what I would do It would be like Yes Like, yeah, get my lawyers on the goddamn phone. Yeah. The man's dead.

And that's it. I hate him. I hate him and I never liked him. Nope. I want that on the record. Yeah. That if he could be dead twice, I'd like that as well. It's hard enough being a goddamn male, man.

It's hard enough to be Polish. Yeah. Well, the last thing they tried sticking to Ted Kaczynski was the Chicago Tylenol murder. Yeah, that's what they were trying to, at the very end, they thought that they, because the Chicago Tylenol murders in which, I forget. how many people seven people And it was the

basically Yeah they poisoned a bunch of Tylenol factory that never figured out who did it And we still don't know who did it

Well they don't know if they did The factory They don't know If people just opened up the bottle Well there's a guy That it's obviously

Who it probably is Yeah But they don't They have no actual proof Yeah But yeah He provided a sample And he said

He said he never had Any potassium cyanide Which you know You had to have You had to have that But the FBI Never confirmed If Kaczynski

was or was not involved, but probably not. No, he would have to talk to people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he couldn't hold on to a job like that. He'd be terrible. He'd be terrible. He worked at the Tylenol factory? He would be, you know, we could talk about it. He's not a good employee. No. Ted Kaczynski would not be, I would want him on staff. Well, apparently he was. They were trying to keep him when he quit. Berkeley. Yeah, he was a teacher. Yeah. But even that, they said he wasn't a very good teacher. They said he would monologue at everyone. And he was just, he was not a

personable man. He was not a charming man. He didn't have that way about him. Kind of feel so mad if he was my teacher. Oh, yeah, he'd be really angry. Yeah. I just got to throw that whole semester out? No, because they still haven't thrown away

his papers and stuff. He was actually very good at his mathematician job. He actually was poor at being the Unabomber. Yeah, actually he was better at being a mathematician than he was at being the Unabomber. Yeah. He was actually bad at being the Unabomber. If you look at ratio of hits to non-hits.

Oh, I mean, but yeah, we got away with it for so long. But, yeah, but that doesn't matter if it took a long time for him to make the bombs. Yeah, if you just would have not talked to his brother. That's all he would have had to have done. Well, and he sent his mom a practice manifesto. I forgot about that. I actually did forget about that. But, you know, that's why we're going to let our audience, if you're going to go out there and you're going to be a mass bomber, number one, don't.

Mm-hmm. Don't. but if you were I probably can't even joke no I don't think you can well let's take it back let's say it back I think we're going to go ahead and say

none of our listeners should be bomber of any kind I agree even if you work for the government especially I say if you're a bomber for the government fucking quit dude yeah man fucking quit fucking get end up making spaghetti

they got you in those drone huts man Timothy McFay's house was bigger than goddamn drone hut. Yeah, dude. Yeah. And yeah, if you want to make bombs, go watch. There's this Instagram woman that I love that she makes medieval

food. Oh, yeah. And she makes, like, really nice soups and pies. And she's got a very nice, calm, soothing voice. Like, go do that. I watch a thing that's a lot of people making food from Roman times. That's nice. I love spaghetti.

I think she calls it, like, the hungry tavern or something like that. Yeah, something like that. It's really fun. But yeah. Or just do a bunch of whippets and show up yourself a masturbate. You can do that. Yeah, you can also do that too. I actually think it's a really good way to, you know, get some steam.

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