Last Podcast On The Left - LPN Deep Dives: Dune / Episode 2: Bene and The Gesserits
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Put your right hand in the box.
What's in the box?
Pain.
Stuffed.
Put your hand in the box.
I hold your neck.
I've gone to your box.
Stop fear.
Fear is the mind killer.
And fear is the little death that brings total liberation.
I will face my fear.
I will be able to pass over me.
And through me.
But Duke!
We'll die before these eyes and they'll know.
They'll know!
That it is I!
And love of me a heart broken.
With justice and duty.
The sleeper awakens.
Yummy, yummy, yummy.
I've got dune in my tummy.
And it feels like reading the books.
Alright.
Now I'm in the mood.
Hello, I am your god-emperor Henry Zabrowski.
And here is my human wife,
Holden McNeely.
I oblige you sir.
And I come with my milk.
And I will feed baby.
But I will feed dad as well.
Do you think that maybe your love
will allow me to feel what it is
to dance in a field.
To be with my sweet, sweet C.H. again.
Maybe.
Okay.
I'll see about it.
Welcome to episode D.
That's the French.
Welcome to the episode D of Dunecast.
We're going to be going a little bit more
into the plot of Dune 1.
But I tell you this next little section,
this quarter that we're going through,
is a lot more philosophy
than it is actual action.
To the point where I think Henry,
you are testing me right now.
Because I've been saying,
what are we covering this episode?
And he'll sort of start talking like he's answering.
Covering?
But then he'll, yes, exactly.
And then he'll twist it and turn.
They need to start at quoting a passage from the book
that I don't even think is in the section
we are covering.
The Orange Catholic Bible.
I will always lay litany down upon you.
It is what you like.
It's important for you to know that a stone is weighty
and the sand is heavy,
but a fool's wrath is heavier than both.
You're so excited that you remembered your quote.
I did.
I will say, I want to,
wait, we should probably recap what happened
in the episode before we move forward.
Absolutely not.
Listen to that episode.
No, just to say, Paul and Jessica,
his mother,
they have been thrown out.
has been murdered.
He was supposed to take over Dune
and the slice industry.
All these sorts of shenanigans,
but now we're in the section of the book
where the bad guys are winning.
Baron Harkonnen, yes.
Harkonnen.
Harkonnen.
I actually remember this all the time.
I have to constantly fix myself to say Harkonnen.
Oh, okay.
And not Harkonnen.
How do you get that from,
what did you get that from?
The Lynch Dune?
Audiobooks.
You got to get it from the audiobooks.
It's the only time I've ever heard any of these words said.
And I think that's what's really important too.
If you are reading along
or you are delving into the world of Dune,
the audiobooks are nice
because you can really disappear into them
and you can finally hear the pronunciations
of half the shit.
And it's also funny to hear a weird old British man go,
I don't understand.
What is my terrible purpose?
Okay, I like him being Paul and Jessica at the same time.
So now we know that Jessica and Paul,
they were supposed to have been murdered
by Harkonnen men, right?
They were supposed to be taken.
They specifically assigned a deaf soldier
to tie up Jessica's
because they knew they've heard about this so-called powers,
these witch's powers that the Bene Gesserit have.
And that's what we'll talk about
a little bit more in detail today.
Yes.
But I love the scene because the deaf one, right?
Because the idea is they control people
with the power of their voice,
but it's a little bit more subtle
than it's shown in the Dune films.
Yes.
Also, I think it's very important to note
that they say witch a lot
and they throw around these terms, right?
It's slur in Dune world.
But yeah, at the end of the day,
it's the Bene Gesserit which we're going to get into.
And yes, they are technically like these witchy-witchy women
and they are fun in witchy.
They're highly trained, highly capable women.
It's like based in...
It's when books...
I really like this in name of the wind as well
to name-drop another fantasy book I love.
But I love when they base the quote-unquote magic
in some kind of science.
And in this case, the voice, the way they fight,
it's all based in actually physical techniques.
So there's no true magic involved.
It's literally decades and decades and decades,
I mean, hundreds of years of technique training
that has allowed this for them.
Dune is the epitome of soft sci-fi,
which is what that means,
which is the idea that we are in a totally human future.
There is no robots.
There are some aliens that we'll meet eventually.
But the goal here is that it is all about
what is the peak of the potential of humanity?
And that's kind of what the Bene Gesserit are supposed to be.
And that's why I wanted to go back
and did we talk about the Butlerian Jihad?
Because I think if we're going to talk about the Bene Gesserit,
we have to, in a way, talk about the Butlerian Jihad
that sets all this up.
Did we speak towards it much?
A little bit, but to be honest, it's vague in the books.
Unless you're reading the prequels,
right now you just know for a fact that the Butlerian Jihad happened.
And what it was was humanity's escape
from the league of super smart AIs that they had created.
Terminator happened.
Terminator happened.
The plot of Terminator happened.
On Earth.
On Earth.
On our time period,
Robots won, they took over for several years,
and then the Butlerian Jihad is the term
of humans coming back.
And that explains why.
And honestly, I feel like a dumb fuck asshole
because I kind of learned this kind of in preparation
for this episode this week.
And I was like, oh, that really answers a lot.
It does answer a lot of questions.
Four fucking 800 page books.
But you're supposed to read the books
with this remaining mystery
because that's kind of what Frank Herbert said
as he was writing these books.
He liked dropping little seeds and bombs.
He just wrote the words Butlerian Jihad.
And then it kind of expects you to run with it.
Because what you do notice is where are the robots?
Why are there...
This is not robots.
This is all titties.
All dickies.
But you're doing sci-fi.
You're like, oh, there must be androids.
I mean, they're thousands of years in the future.
They have all this high tech stuff.
And instead, we have mentats.
Mentats being humans that act essentially as living computers
that have trained their brains,
which, again, is a very fascinating thing.
We will get through...
As we go through the plot points, we'll hit.
We will hit all of them.
I just wanted to throw it out there, though,
that technology has been fucking...
At least, like, robotics have been wiped out from this universe.
Yes, we said this last episode as well.
But yeah, this is now where...
That's why the Benny Jesserit have gotten the control that they have.
Yeah, and the time between the Butlerian Jihad
and sort of setting up for, you know,
the new era that Benny Jesserit got together,
and we're like, Trixie, Trixie,
we're gonna fucking puppeteer all this shit
using our sort of witchy woman ways.
Yes, with the great scattering.
We'll get there.
We'll get there.
Like, this is the problem is that that's technically in the future.
We will reveal all of these as we go.
Because also, I've never read the prequels.
Ah, which is very difficult.
Yes.
Because there's a lot more story in the prequels.
But was written by...
Was not written by...
Me old son, Brian Herbert.
Yes, was written by the son.
A man who's...
No one has ever loved their father
as much as Brian Herbert loves his father.
Yes.
I just can't imagine continuing my father's work,
which is just smoking packs of Marlboro lights
and screaming at people at Publix.
Do you think they touched foreheads together
to get the past to get the memory...
They could touch fucking tips.
Touch each other's penises.
So, Jessica's writhing in these raps, right?
Which I do love because they...
Jessica is also beautiful in their world.
Like, they're very, very sexually enticed by Jessica.
And so, finally, this kind of series of shenanigans,
Paul gets them all loose.
Because Dr. Yui has set them up
because he knew that he was going to be
the traitor of all time
and be known as the traitor of all time.
But he loved the Trades family
and he did not want them to be wiped out.
And he kind of conversely thought deep down in his brain
that, oh, what I'll do is I will create this whole,
like, revenge scenario.
He was trying to fix everything by...
And he did.
He did in a...
Yeah, he did in a way.
A man, of course, obviously.
But sideways.
How is it all goes?
Because, again, there's just nothing more human
than the world of Dune.
So, it never quite works out...
Yes.
Exactly how they want it to.
Something I appreciate about...
And you're referring to the Poisoned Tooth
and Lido, the Lead Suicide.
That's my favorite scene in the first half of the book.
It barely misses Harkinen.
Because Harkinen, remember,
what I love again about Baron Harkinen,
especially in this time period,
this section of the book is Baron Harkinen's section of the book.
This is when he really is the most in charge
and he's feeling himself.
He's wriggling around.
What I like is when he cuts back to where he is,
now that they have taken over the Arrakeen Palace
where Duke Lido used to live,
and now that everything is fucking in tatters and destroyed,
he's living in this grounded, space-gilled freighter.
They put this big spaceship on the ground
and they put, like, rugs and pillows on top of everything
and they put it, like, it's very, very nice in there.
And they said the one thing they brought from Giedi Prime,
the Harkinen home planet,
was one of those Pete Townsend artworks
where it was just like...
It's just little boys, like,
jumping and playing in a stream
and he just goes up and he's like,
Yes, another plan, most accidentally executed.
I'm just, like, rubbing the rumps of these, like, statue boys.
Yes, the art that you get,
it's the second you become a studio exact
that you put in your living room.
He is the studio exact and he's loving it.
Also, okay, so Harkinen, my big question was,
and the reason why I brought up Mentats and stuff,
is Baron Harkinen, one of the things he does is,
he replaces...
Piter de Vries dies in The Poisons.
Well, unfortunately, one of my favorite characters,
the Mentat assassin, Peter.
Peter, he was, again, Brad Dorough,
best character actor in the fucking world
and he just wanted to be in charge of doing it.
He thought he was going to be in charge of doing it
and he's immediately got fucking gait
by Dr. Yui by, well, Duke Leto,
who finally, like, bites on the tooth,
spits it out and Harkinen, with his sixth sense,
that can only come from a permanent villain
because he's this fucking very, very large man
on suspense or tracks.
How does no one kill this man?
He somehow had the reflexes to, like,
Oh!
And, like, spin away from the gas.
I also told Henry that when I read
Dude, the character of Harkinen,
I imagined Henry on suspense.
I get it a lot.
I get it a lot. I can't wait to not walk anymore.
With weird warts and stuff all over himself.
We will start a podcast network
and do it for all the world.
We will show everyone the power.
We will squeeze!
Squeeze them for their podcasts.
So, at this point,
Baron Harkinen thinks everybody's fucking dead, right?
Because they chased them out into the desert.
He's first called Paul
and Jessica definitely dead.
And he's just, like, excellent.
And he just moves on with his day
because, you know, he's a villain.
So his job is, he thinks, like,
Oh, we've already done it.
There's no way my elite group of
essentially drug-addicted soldiers
could possibly be wrong.
Because what we find out is that
the guy that loses the job by dying,
also by Duke Leto,
the head of the Harkinen forces,
gets immediately replaced by another dude
who shows up, who happens to be addicted
to this thing called Samuda,
which is another one of those things
I love when Frank Herbert drops in,
which is these, like, weird dune psych drugs,
these, like, things that you do
where it's, like, a combination of, like,
it's either a thing you eat or smoke
and then you listen to this type of music
and then the music puts you into a writhing foam
and then you have to take an antidote
to pop out of it.
It's very cyberpunk before cyberpunk, even.
But it's also just, like,
it's just got a lot to do with,
because I don't know if Frank Herbert did a lot of drugs.
Yeah.
No, I need to, when I go through,
we're gonna do an episode all about the bio
of Frank Herbert,
because I'd like to find out for certain.
And we'll look into it, but there was not,
he doesn't have that rap like Philip K. Dick had.
No, yeah, he doesn't have the street cred of P.K.D.
Frank Herbert was a man who did his homework.
These first three books took seven years to write.
P.K.D. said that he was writing books
that he saw in memories of a present
that hadn't happened yet.
The fact that he wrote...
He's literally, P.K.D. was insane.
The fact that he read,
it took that long to write it,
just as a clear indicator he wasn't a speed freak
or a fucking painhound.
I guess how.
I mean, he must have just...
Pussyhound.
Pussyhound.
Someone was a...
They spiced down below.
I'm gonna say there are very clear indications
in the writings of the Dune series
that he was indeed a pussyhound.
He was just...
He liked the ladies.
He liked a strong woman.
Yeah.
Jessica, I mean, you just talked about Jessica.
One of the big things about the Bene Gesserit,
real quick, is just that they are, like,
actually specifically very good at sex.
They're very good at sex,
because what they've learned early on
is that the Bene Gesserit,
they are both subtle and not subtle.
They use sexuality to their way,
because what they understand is that men
are incredibly weak,
especially when it comes to their wieners.
We allow a lot of decisions to flow through
the urethra out of our penises and back in,
and I don't know why.
It's that gravy, babe.
The gravy rules everything,
and they understand they have to get a hold of it.
This comes from the Dune companion.
This is the Bene Gesserit,
an ancient school of mental and physical training.
The Bene Gesserit order was established primarily
for the female students after the Butlerian jihad,
which is what you said,
because they used to control all flows of information.
They jumped right on it, essentially.
They saw an opening,
and that's exactly what happened.
The Butlerian G had happened.
They saw their opening,
and they were like,
we're going to puppeteer the whole...
Over decades and generations,
we're going to puppeteer this whole situation.
We're going to take all of this shit.
They are keen powers of observation,
which we'll see play out,
because Paul gets a shit downloaded
straight into the back of his brain.
They also are body manipulators.
They can do whatever they want in their own insides.
They can control their organs.
This is an extreme example of what I'd say
of what they say about people that are yogis
or very intense martial artists
where you can control your body temperature.
To the point where you can levitate.
One of the biggest early training techniques
is just having someone sit there
and only focus on moving just the tip of their pinky toe
on one of their feet,
and literally just do that for hours and hours and hours.
Yes, and they do the hand exercises,
which is what she brings up all the time,
because the idea is to be able to control
every single nerve of your body.
They're so good at hand manipulation.
They will make you fucking...
I don't even want to talk about the bidet gesture,
massage technique.
But they also, what I like about them is that they...
Because they have different levels, right?
So the Benny Jesterit have people like what Jessica was,
which is essentially a handmaiden to a Reverend Mother,
which is she was just sort of like on her way up
working for a boss.
Because the Benny Jesterit, the bosses are called Reverend Mothers,
and they also have these positions
within the Imperial Government,
where they do things like truth saying.
What you will find out now is that the Baron Harkinen is very...
He's very aware of the fact
that what they're doing is both illegal and secret,
but he is doing it in cahoots with the Emperor.
The Emperor is there.
The Emperor is guiding the hand of Baron Harkinen,
but at the same time,
the Emperor can dump him at any time if he wants,
because the Harknins have to pass the tests
of the Reverend Mothers that are still within the Imperium,
like Imperial control,
because it all has to be legit for everybody
to make the money that they're supposed to make at the end,
even though it doesn't, you know,
and they're going to take it anyway.
But they have to, in order to be a Reverend Mother,
do this thing where you have to go through
what's called a spice agony,
and successfully you transmute the water of life.
And what that means is you're given this psychedelic poison
that your body has to turn into not poison when you eat it.
And the only way to make it to a higher level
of being a Reverend Mother
is that you basically have to make it through this ordeal
to get through it.
A very important note, Jessica, at this point in the story
is not a Reverend Mother.
She is not. She's just a sexy, sexy concubine to a Duke.
Who's also just fucking one of the deadliest bitches
to ever live.
Also, to be fair, they were cast out in the desert,
and yes, Harkinen should have done his due diligence
and made sure they were dead,
but the desert, insanely deadly.
There are sandworms.
It's literally walking outside a Beetlejuice's house.
The Harkinen purview.
The worms just immediately fucking come at you.
The Harkinen's purview is that the premon
are just a fucking bunch of scraggly whatever dudes.
Scrappy little nobody.
Whatever, just hanging out in the desert,
lucky that they are not consumed by worms,
and he thinks that they all live in primitive little huts,
and that they're out there just fucking
just living in fear of the worms
and barely surviving.
But what he doesn't understand is that the Fremen
on Dune,
they are the real controllers of the planet,
and they actually are one of the most
up to which the Beetlejuice
never thought that they'd have competition.
They didn't know that the Fremen
would actually be that competition.
To the point, well, and then I mean...
So just going to Paul, they get away, right?
They are immediately,
they understand that they're in a lot of danger.
They get scooped up.
They get scooped up by an Ornithopter,
which these Ornithopters are these fucking giant...
They're cool as hell.
That was one of the first things like,
okay, I guess it's an Ornithopter.
You know what I mean?
It's a helicopter that looks like a bug.
And I think that's cool as fuck.
And it's got like wings that catches the...
Because basically,
Duncan Idaho slips down.
He's just like, I'm coming after you.
I'll stay on the future.
And now that's the first time that Paul understands
that something might be a little bit different about him.
Because he is... Does he has a vision here?
He's just not quite yet.
He's found out that his father has died
and he doesn't know quite what to do about it.
Like he knows it immediately because there's a letter
from Dr. Yui when they crash that has the dupe
and sign it written.
Oops, mommy!
I did it again.
I killed you.
Free Britain!
And Duncan Idaho comes down
and Ornithopter sees them.
He's like, I'm going to come back.
Paul realizes something a little different because he's like,
I recognized that was Duncan Idaho flying
that Ornithopter just by the weird
little indiosyncrasies
that I know about Duncan.
He's like, I saw kind of the way
like all of these weird little traits
that Duncan would do.
In the way he was flying this copter
and I know that's not just my Benny Jesserit training.
Because just guy has been giving
him secret Benny Jesserit training on the side.
And he...
He was like, but that's not my training.
Benny!
Benny Jesserit!
We should save that.
That's our weird owl.
We're going to give this a big talk.
I am working on a Dune Parody song album.
This is huge.
I can't believe I didn't tell you about this.
I'm writing an entire Dune Parody.
I'm here. I'll do all the rap.
You know how much I like a desert rap.
So they get scooped up by...
Duncan Idaho finally comes back and gets them.
They go into the first CH that they ever saw.
So the thing was that Duke Leto, when they were
first all talking about this bullshit while
he was still alive, he wanted to get in control
of these, but they thought that these imperial
like, they're the stations
out in the desert. And they were always
thought for years that these things
were inoperable. They were just kind of out
in the desert. And essentially
to the Harkins, he was like, ah, fuck it.
We don't need anything to deal with these bullshit
outposts. We don't need these. Duke Leto
got really interested in them because he thought
they were filled with spice. The Imperials
hold on spice. And he wanted to get some
for himself because he started to understand,
oh, I have to be Trixie Trixies
because everybody else is Trixie Trixies around
me. But guess what? He got fucked.
He's not Trixie Trixie. He's not. He's too pure.
He's too good. He finally gets scooped by these
friends and they go into one of these Imperial
holding areas. And it turns out
the Fremen are a little bit
more cunning than they ever thought. This is
the first, like, sight into it. Cause Paul
his brain realized, oh, fuck. Cause
for years, they were saying,
they've been talking about how do we terraform
Dune? That's like one of the big questions
that comes out in the first chunk of the book. Cause everyone's saying like,
there's no water here. And it's this
massive fucking problem. But we've terraformed
planets all over the
universe. Why the fuck
don't we just terraform Dune? And I know
the answer to this question, but
we're not supposed to know the answer to this question.
Now we know the answer to the question, which is
they kept saying that it was too expensive
and no one wanted to do it. They thought
it was this weird bribe thing going on with it.
It's because of the space guild we're doing.
It's because of the Sandworm's relationship to
spice generation. We still don't
know that part yet. Well, that's what I was saying.
No, no, no. But what we find out is that
it's not the Harkinens and the Imperium
that were bribing the
space guild. It was the Fremen
themselves saying that we don't
want these weather satellites here
because if we basically
will cut a deal with the space guild
on our own and just give them
spice because what
they wouldn't discover if they put up these weather
satellites is that the Fremen have
a massive underground
system that they have been living
in since the dawn of fucking
time on Arrakis. And they
are highly organized and
they are already in the process
of terraforming Dune. And they have
all the secrets when it comes
and probably one of my favorite things in the
especially the first book is they have
all the secrets when it comes to water conservation.
All of it. They know everything about the
they know every single thing about the planet.
They've been working with Liet Keens, this planetologist.
That was supposed to be a member of the Imperium.
But Liet Keens at this point has
basically become
a Fremen. He is a Fremen. He's married
to a Fremen woman. He's a part of a C.H.
He is loyal to the Fremen and
his overall arching goal
would be to terraform Dune and make
it so that we don't have to have anybody else
on this fucking planet telling us
what to do. But he's playing a long
game. But it's not revealed until they showed up.
So the Fremen are us starting
podcasts back in the
yes, but less physically
able. Oh yeah.
Yeah, these guys are ripped fucking
these guys are fucking
clean though. Killers clean though.
Because the way that they handle
with water and everything, I mean that's one of the
fascinating things, right? It's like
the still suits,
the whole way that they can like turn
dead carcasses. They can
drain the water from them.
That's a part of their thing. They believe
that any expression that would involve
water like crying or
it is sacred.
Because they've trained their bodies
to not cry. So that
if you really do feel pain
they'll be like, oh see
he sheds his water for him. Yes.
Which is this incredible touching moment
of like when you first know
when Stilgar first goes to meet with Duke
Lado and they have that meeting
because Duke Lado's trying to woo them to work with the
Fremen because he has an inkling understanding like
I think these guys are fucking bad asses and we need to work
with him. And that the Stilgar looks at him
and he's just like, I see that we
will share water then. Our tribes will join.
And then they sat and they stared each other and then
he spits on the table and everyone's
like oh and goes to their
difference and shit. And then Duke Lado's like
How'd you? How'd you?
That is the sign of honor.
And then everyone's like yeah.
They fucking pull out the plunge.
They're like a little bit more water is going to get
fucking out of this.
But now that, so Paul
is with Leigh at Keynes and they're kind of
having negotiations and they're stuck underneath this ground.
She finally sees, he's like
oh fuck. They got
tech. They got all the globe shit.
They are working. There's labs here.
There's a whole sophisticated thing
especially with the pack that he gets from
Dr. Yui. He gets the Thumper
which he had never seen before.
It's like all of this shit. He gets the Stil tent.
He gets a sand snorkel.
He gets all of this bullshit. Don't even laugh.
This is real tech. This is high tech
Fremen tech. The Thumper is
a pocket putt.
It's one of those remote controlled
butt plugs. Okay. It's for
when you're a lawyer but you're also kinky as hell
and you need to just fucking kick up a Tuesday.
Bird. Bird is
just a fucking big bearded big titty
boy just like me. Just hungry for experience.
So Leigh at Keynes and Paul
are having like a standoff
because they're sitting here and they're talking a little bit. Paul has
now become a little bit more of an adult
than he ever thought he ever would.
So up until this point
Paul is not sure what the hell he is.
He has a moment
before they go into this meeting
it's the first example
of what we call prescience
or his
vision into the future. And also the first
sign that he's got like some
Benet kind of
and also he's a natural mentat. He's
all of it. He has Benny Jesser training
he's Quitsack Hatterack and also
he could have definitely gone to
mentat school. So he's got like a problem
relating to people. Like you're gonna
see immediately that Paul is actually
very frightening.
Especially to his own mother which is kind of like
oh fuck you. You wanted this. You
made him and now you're afraid of the
Quitsack Hatterack because he sees this
view in his face because he seems to
understand like oh
shit's gonna be different now. He can see in the
past. He could see all realms
of the future. He can see all realms
of the present. The way he talks about it
is like he's like the future is just now
like you're sitting with your mom
everybody's dead. Everybody knows fucking
dead. You're sitting in a tent
like that is just like a big old like it's just a
giant nipple with a sphincter on it
right? And you're inside of this tent
you're in the middle of the sandstorm and then
you turn to your mom and you're like
I can see the fucking future.
The future is like a flag. It's like
what do you call it? It's like a ribbon in the
wind. Every statement changes
the future. It's like why did you do this to me?
What am I?
He's literally Matthew McConaughey
in True Detective. He's like time's
a flat. I recall. He's right
time's a fucking construct. That's
another thing with PKD too. PKD
we also talk about that time's not real
which I guess is what happens when you do a lot
of fucking cocaine
cocaine. It just turns you into a fucking
ambulance chasing
lawyer. You can, but some
of those guys are just interested in money.
So he has this kind of idea that there's something
else going on. He's not quite sure what it is.
Liat Keans
to the Fremen, which you'll find out
he's become sort of their god leader
too because he was an off-worlder
but when he showed up and explained
all of these things about the planet and what he learned
and then he fell in love with the Fremen culture
so much and he understood, honestly
he understood their superiority. He understood
that these are, they are in very loyal
tribe systems. They are
they are unfallably
they listen to their CH
leader. They are incredibly
forceful. They can kill a group of Sardarkar.
They talk about how three
of them can fight a hundred
Sardarkar. The most elite fighting
force in the universe.
So what genuine question, what keeps them
and I know that obviously
soon they're going to have some, maybe
they might have like a leader or something that might push them
to do this, but how come at this point
they have not been just
overthrown all the bullshit
is it literally just because they don't have
that one guiding force to
lead them into that or is it just
because they're just trying to kind of stay low
and just build up their whole empire
a little mini empire.
I don't know. I think it's not clear. I think
in my mind though, I think truly it's about
we're already dealing with our own shit
like fuck Harkinans. We'll deal with it
like when we want to like we
essentially can go kill them anytime we want
we are on a long game
of terraforming dune without
any of these fuckers knowing and they just
don't know that we're living our whole lives and he knows that as soon as we tell the Harkinans, like as soon
as we show up and if you go for them
and then you miss and if
you don't completely fucking kill them
the imperial is going to show up
with legions and legions of Sardarcar
and blow up your whole fucking lives
and then our Arrakis
will become like I believe what it's
called a Secunda. I forget
the planet that Sardarcar come from
which is a
prison planet. Can we say one of
the coolest things about the Freeman that like
no longer happens now but is like one of the things
that we learn about what they used to be able
to do? What? And I think this is another
reason why they maybe haven't like arranged an attack yet.
What? They used to be able to fucking ride
the dope giant sandworms?
Oh, they don't just used to. They continue to.
They do. That's how they get around.
Okay, I forgot whether I thought it was
and re-catching up with the plot
I thought that it was something that didn't happen as much.
No, you see. Oh, no, no.
They live. They just have been keeping that
kind of on the DM. They don't want anybody
to have anything to do with the
worms because what you'll find out is that the worms
are their god. It's Shy Hallud. They
worship and venerate the worms because
the worms poop out spice
and because they poop out the spice which makes
them them, right? Makes them feel nice.
It makes them feel nice. It makes you feel nice.
It makes you feel nice. It gets
up. Gets up. It makes
you feel like, ah! Ah! At first
but then you get addicted to it and then you can't
leave the planet, which is also what Paul realizes
as they're sitting around. He's like, oh, there's
no escape for us. We are now on Arrakis
because what happens is as you
get used to the constant
permeation of spice just
in the air, you get addicted
to it and you can't
not have it. It kills you
to not have it. Yes. So it's
a poison and a cure
all at once and it's like
oil. It's that concept of like, you're
fucking addicted to it. Yeah.
So he meets up with Liet Kienz
and Liet Kienz was saying he's kind of become
this de facto god emperor
quote unquote of his group
of friends and they worship him.
They, you know, praise Liet. Liet becomes
kind of short term for God, not unlike
the hallowed, which is their real god
of their cosmological
religion. But he's kind of their focal point
and then you have Paul shows up and they have this
and essentially Paul says like, you know
I'm Neo, right? Like your people
think I'm Neo and Liet in his
own way at the first like, he doesn't
want any god competition
because he's like, oh, we can't
you're literally a child. I
am a man of the desert. Your child
telling me that you're Neo. I don't
care because I'm the god here.
So they have this tip. But finally like Liet's
looks like there's something about this
keyed. There's something about him.
He sees them. He's like, okay, we could let's
bond together. Let's join our tribes to figure out.
All of a sudden, Harkin and show up. They follow
Duncan Idaho. We see which is
now it's a scene now that I have to know
because this is for all of y'all.
We see Duncan Idaho get murdered
by Sardarcar that are obviously in Harkin
and outfits, right? Like he's killing a bunch of people
but there's this flash when we see
Duncan Idaho die in the hallway
trying desperately to save
Paul. Paul looks back. The sphincter
closes and then
they leave to go out into the desert. They jump
in an ornithopter that's left by Liet Keynes
and he's like, you're gonna do this thing
that we know as fremen we can do
but no one else knows that we can do.
You're gonna take that ornithopter. You're gonna jump
into a sandstorm. The sandstorm that they've been told
again and again and again destroy
everything it touches and kills
can strip the fucking skin
from a person. He's like, you're gonna jump into
this thing and you're gonna go and you're gonna ride
the top of the sandstorm and then I'm gonna tell
dudes on the other side they're gonna find you
because we know where the sandstorm's going. Meanwhile
like Paul's like, what? Because
he's like, that's a lot of shit that you know
that I had no fucking clue
that you knew how to do
because he's still constantly learning like, oh
these motherfuckers are for real. Like
they got a lot of shit going on. And so
they put the scene of Duncan Idaho dying
is going to
leave a reverberation throughout the rest
of the sea of my god because
this is, it's weird because it's
in Dune 1. I don't know if he meant it
because in Dune 1
it's kind of like that cool guy's
dead. You know what I mean? Oh that cool warrior
dude's kind of dead. But then it turns out
like, oh this is like the most
important part of all of the books.
Weirdly enough, yes. Because
Paul sees him
and then what you and I hold
to know about the books is that
that's gonna be that last look
is like a thing that is shared
forever. Like Paul
does this thing when they're in the desert
where like Duncan Idaho is like, do what
my shield young lord. And he's just like, I tell
you what Paul, your right arm
is shield enough for me.
And it's like this weird trust he gave
Duncan Idaho, which is like
okay, but then it's very
important. And now you're asking, well how
why is this the most important character? He dies
right here and I also
Yeah like page 300. You also know that
book four, I mean these are
thousands of years in the future. How
could that possibly be? You will find out
these things. Also just remember every single time
you think you're about to say goodbye to a character in Dune
and you miss that character, just
know it's coming back
in a way that you might be like
why do you do this?
Why is this coming back? Why is this guy
coming back? And he's like, they keep
coming back. So don't worry about it. Anybody
you like, they show back up at some point
except for Leigh-Ed Keynes. Leigh-Ed Keynes
just dropped off in the middle. I like forgot
about Leigh-Ed Keynes. This is a spoiler by the way
because he's a big character
in that first book, in that part.
He is very big because he teaches them all
the vague small things they even know about the desert.
That's kind of what he's served to do. It's like
the last version of like
things used to be normal on this planet.
Things used to have an order. Leigh-Ed Keynes
was their little
god.
Harkadins where you know they were there for
85 years. Just you know
when they're a little horrible thing on this planet.
Working their people, working the people
of Arrakis. Because there are people that are on
Arrakis that are city bound.
Or just humans that live there, that are from
other parts of the Imperium.
They're all probably mixed with some Fremen
but mostly the Fremen are
both a myth and a
fear and all of this shit. They just live out
in the desert. They don't want to have anything to do with the
water fat people
of the cities. Yes, and
that's why you have to look at Paul
as this distillation of every
single
strong element in this universe
or at least this civilization.
Because he's got the Bene-Bene
he's got the Bene-Jesserit. He's got Bene-Jesserit
training. He's got the Fremen knowledge
now. Soon.
Especially when he fully becomes
fremen. He's in the pocket
to learn all this shit from the Fremen.
He's got all of this
just bureaucratic knowledge
of all the different
things. Teager, he's learned how to be
a propaganda artist. He's learned how
to be a political
McAnuver. Is that the term? Is that the term?
Sure. He's just a fucking
he is all of these things. He's
Karl Rove, if Karl Rove with Timothy
Chamele, and then if also
he could do karate. With Timothy
Chamele can't do.
Ralph Machio meets
Timothy Chameleon
meets
Martin Luther King
meets Nio.
So it's all of these things at once.
But
we don't really know
quite yet the full extent of what's going to happen
with Paul because the one thing we'll learn about
the Quitsack Hatterack is that every fucking
person, everyone of these fucking people
think that they're the ones that have control
over the Quitsack Hatterack.
That these some kind of fucking puppet
the Bene-Jesserit think they
got him under control. The fucking
Fremen think that they'll get him under control
but they don't understand that he's the fucking
spark that's going to set this whole fucking planet on fire.
Why did I throw out, though, the reason why
the Bene-Jesserit, okay, and I've been
talking about missionary productivity because you already
kind of mentioned the religion of the Freeman.
I do want to sort of instill this
maybe concept at this point unless it's too early.
But I also want to say
that the reason why the Bene-Jesserit, who
as we already said are so brilliant
are these puppeteers of the
universe at this point have been working
so hard to create this chosen one
and then use this chosen one
for all of their power. But the reason
why you're thinking like, well then
why is it throwing them off so hard?
Well, the reason for that is because it just
jumped the gun a bit. They did not
expect Jessica to have this man. They thought
there was going to be a whole other generation
before the chosen one was going to
happen. That's their reasoning.
But my view is that you
create the monster and then like it'll never
be under your control. You think
you want this thing.
You think you want this
this powerful tool because what
they're actually, they don't understand is that
they're closer to the Harkadins than they think
they are. Because number one
one thing that's revealed, this is a spoiler
as he's sitting in his prescient
fucking sway, he realizes
not only can I could see
all these pasts so I can actually see
who your father is mom
because the Bene-Jesserit, they also
keep everything secret
about where they come from. And the
DNA lines that they're trying to contribute
because they want you to number one
be able to fuck whether or not that guy turned out
to be your brother. Like they want
because they might want that. They're building
up certain qualities in people. What you
find out is that Jessica is
a child directly
of Vladimir Harkinin.
And so she
carries his jeans and you find out like
they didn't even, they talked
about the Quitsack Hatterac and they floated all this shit
but they wanted them to combine
Harkinin
and a tradies would create the Quitsack
Hatterac but they thought Jessica was not going to
have a boy. Well they thought it was just for
political game. They thought it was for political game
we're going to bring these two upstart
shitty houses that are fighting all the time
we're going to bring them together. Then we're going to marry
that to whatever
because they're praying that the emperor would have a son
like that's the big thing is that the emperor
has not had a son. All we know is like now
when you read the books you see these words
like the beginning of each chapter
that come from Princess Irulan who is the emperor's
daughter but he has no sons
there is no heir. So this idea of like
it's basically they had to create all
of this shit. It's like a long game
but they were completely fucking wrong.
But now Paul
who's his whole life
has been trained because remember
for his book it's just supposed to be
tradies versus Harkinin. They're the bad guys right?
So his whole life he's been trained to hate
Harkinins. But it turns out
he is one. So now
he has to like figure it. He has to
roll this around in his head. Cut to
Harkinin. Harkinin is
ohm so
filled. So filled and he's
trying to explain everybody because he's like
we must go. He calls in his best boy
Beast Raban.
Beast Raban is described as ugly
of face and of body.
Almost fat enough for suspensors
because Harkinin he doesn't
be like you will earn his suspensors
one day. You can tell by his girth
he's so excited for it because imagine that
being able to give your son like
his first suspenders. I liked that one part where he orders
a pizza and then just drains an entire
slice of grease into a cup. Drinks the cup
and throws the pizza away.
Pizzas for losers.
I drink only the grease.
The essence. The superior essence.
Do not waste the grease
or you will be sent to death.
You want to face the mighty
ref.
He believed in not wasting any grease
and that was very similar to the Freeman
but it was more disgusting.
So now that they have been blown up
a second time, Paul and Jessica
the guy comes to Baron Arconis
it's like no listen boss
this time we definitely got him
there ain't no way anybody's
going to make it through one of his suspensors boys
and he's just like well
show me the bodies which again
remember no body no crime all of you out there
if you're going to come over here
you reference the Taylor Swift song off of Evermore.
I did. Yes.
It's called no body no crime. Yes.
Is this one of her bonnie verre like everybody's
crime bullshit. Hame is featured on it.
Corey Hame? He's dead.
Is he?
Are they named after Corey Hame? They just took a bunch
of different clips from the various TV
shows he was on and that's how they got him
on the song. I can say
I don't think I've ever heard a note of Hame.
I don't even
I don't know because I'm too busy at a Starbucks
I'm too busy with Dune.
You heard it at you heard it
unbeknownst to yourself at
an old Navy or whatever it is.
Is it the one that goes like you
want it? You
got it. Yeah.
You want it baby.
You got it. It's Dune.
Is that it? I just put Dune
in an all song part where they said it's Dune.
Yes. Absolutely.
She calls it Beast Rebonne and Beast Rebonne
is a fucking mother fucker.
I hate this guy. I don't want to hear everything
about this guy anymore. I'm going to love this guy.
Because it's him and his younger brother Fade
Rautha, right? Those are the two Harkinen like
heirs. So the ones are going to be taken over
the whole fucking shebang and he
decides because he needs money.
Because one thing that they found out because
Thufir Howit who we'll get to next
Thufir Howit he kind of
estimated and we'll find out it's true. I said
whatever it was
that it took Baron Harkinen to bring
this massive
fleet of soldiers because the thing that what it took
the entire Atreides force
was on Arrakis and
they got blown up.
The Atreides force they've been fucking kicking ass
across the universe for fucking decades.
They decided that the Harkinens pulled out all
the stops. They spent what he said he
estimated it would take 60 years
of spice output to match
what they spent on
the the invasion.
Because also the tricksy tricksy thing
that Duke Leto did is that he destroyed all the
private stores of spice on
the prime in this big suicide attack
that basically
the Harkins are kind of fucked right now
because they spent all of their
money on this shit. So the beast
raven was a fucking rapist and a murderer
and one of the worst motherfuckers in the face of the
planet. He's like you're now in
charge of doing your job is to get me
fucking income. And without
what's going to require for you to do is
squeeze. I need you to squeeze
which I actually
understand because it's me screaming and
like my account. Right. Right. Right.
About taxes. Yes. Yes. About how illegal
your tax situation is.
We shouldn't say these things to a microphone.
I'm legal. I'm paid up. He's above
board. And so
now he but so what they have in their hands is
Thufir Hawa. Who is the head man to add
assassin for the traitors. This guy's a fucking
real deal. But we got a discovery
because you remember in the first episode they floated
this idea where they try to
make everyone suspicious of Jessica that
Jessica was going to be the traitor
because they always said the whole thing is
they would be knowing anybody with suspect
and the very nature of the trader
would destroy the heart
of the traitors family. So Thufir
Hawa using this information and its
mental abilities said it's Jessica. So
they have a big confrontation at one point when
everything is still before everything blows up.
So now he still thinks it's Jessica
but now he is in the Harkinons hands.
He's going to be in the Harkinons hands
quickly because first you see Thufir Hawa
hanging out with these fremen. They help him get out
and you see one of the coolest fucking scenes
in this book which is
him watching from a cave hole
the fremen
fucking destroy
an entire fleet of
Sardarcar in a suicide run.
They basically steal like they go
they steal a fucking Hornthopter quick from these
like a bunch of Sardarcar to kill everybody.
Did you say the Sardarcar they are the
Emperor's special soldiers.
Yeah the Emperor's new groove.
They've been stuck but they've also
been in an outfit so people think that they're
Harkinons because that's a part of the whole cover
and so they go in they fucking
they blow up this whole
space school thing it's fucking wild. Thufir
sees this shit happening and he's just like
this is the most amazing
I've never seen such daring
I have never seen such
taught men or so loyal
they did fight. What an underwhelming reaction.
Well this is just
simply I like this
I'm glad they could do this
because he was hoping in the end
I want to join up with the Fremen.
We had known from the very beginning
oh the Fremen we think they might be pretty intense
and then when they did that he's just like oh yeah
but then immediately gets caught by the Harkinons
but this is the thing.
So Harkinons got this mentat
and the Harkin mentality which is the truth
with this mentat.
Harkinon gets really pissed in this scene
because the guy goes and he's just like
actually did you actually murdered
the old mentat
and he would be like saying something cool to Baron Harkinon
but he gets pissed. He's like
I never waste a weapon
without extensively
thinking about it.
He really does view people around him
as tools and weapons
and so he really wasn't done with
Pettor yet. When Pettor was murdered
he was pissed because he needed his mentat assassin
now he's got a new mentat assassin
through Furhawad but the thing is about these guys
is that mentats
they don't necessarily
have house loyalty.
They can learn
and you can earn a mentat's loyalty
up to a point. But at the end of the day
they're as robotic as a human
could possibly be in the sense of
like they don't have big emotional connection.
They're not supposed to because if they
have these emotional connections
they can't do the far
view sightings
of all the computations that they need to do.
So also too on top of that
through Furhawad believes that
Jessica is the one that
shat the whole bed here. So therefore
that answers my question I posed at the beginning
which is why did Harkinon replace
Howlett who was coming from the Atreides house
with
why did he employ him
is because he actually
perceived him as being both in his pocket
and at the same time not emotionally connected
in any way to any of this. But also what he does
to through Furhawad before anybody
knows or what he before through
Furhawad knows. The part where he tickles his knees
and I was like ew why are you doing this.
That's inappropriate. Dude this is creepier
than what I do with my boys.
Let me see
your reflexes.
I kicks. I hit him with a little mallet.
His food kicks is the best game I've ever seen.
That scene made me want to throw the plug in a fireplace.
I was like 20 pages on fucking knee reflexes.
But he
he decides to put secret poison
and through Furhawad's food. And then puts
the antidote
for the poison in other parts of his food.
So what he do for how it doesn't know
is that he's about to be completely
chained up to the harkness
and he will try to fight
but now he's just like he's fixing
fixing him fixing him plans
with plans with plans.
But that's the it's it's hard
because you can't get a you can't get a
Mentat's loyalty. You have to fucking work it out
but you have to use
their information against them
because he's hoping because he kind of
openly says that they lack so we're supposed
to send him a new evil Mentat.
Because the problem with evil Mentats
are needed for evil people
because normal Mentats twisted
twisted Mentats
you have to
be able to
like a Mentat supposed to be able to use
all computations to kind of come up with
the best decisions possible
for anybody in any scenario.
And it's supposed to be logical
and it's supposed to be cost effective
and it's supposed to be like strategic
each one. But an evil Mentat
will tell you how to do all that
but evil.
An evil accountant. You just need
one of those guys to use to work for the mob.
Where is this guy? I need this guy.
I got a guy for you to do your taxes.
This guy doesn't give a fuck.
I need that guy.
Where is that?
This guy gives no shits about legalities.
This also comes from a Dune companion.
Let's see if they can explain a Mentat even better.
A Mentat is a human trained to possess
logic and computational ability.
Mentat's abilities are heightened through the use
of Safo Juice.
Which is if you see in the David Lynch movies
it's the same thing where their lips are all purple.
But I don't know the difference between Safo Juice
and Spice.
But I know they get Spice eventually.
It's different. It's so many juices in there.
It's funny. The physical difference is behind
blue eyes when it comes to
the Spice. You have blue
eyeballs. But you got pink lip.
When you got the pink lip that means you that
Tleilaxu dip.
Because yes man the Tleilaxu.
I can't wait till we get to book 3
to talk about the Tleilaxu.
Yeah I was about to say don't even worry about
the Tleilaxu.
Book 2 and 3. I love the Tleilaxu.
We're going to get into the face
dancers. We're going to get into the idea of
these gigantic entire planet
of just bio tubes
making human creatures.
Yeah I fucking love that shit.
Very interesting.
Thufir Hawat has been captured
by the Harkonnens. Paul and Jessica
are in the middle of this fucking storm.
And she is really, really
scared of
Paul at this point. Paul is getting kind of
an hinge. And what Paul lets loose a little
bit is
when he went into his meeting with Lee at Keynes
and he kind of drops. He's like being
real adult in that meeting
where he says like a boy threatens
this dude. This guy could fucking cut his
face off.
Really intense. And he's still like
and now I'm seeing him as Timothy Shameloma Dingdong.
So it's like Timothy Shameloma Dingdong
goes into the office of a warrior king
and he's just like I'm the Duke
now. And you will see
I will wield more power most
effectively. And you have to be like
I guess I take this guy super seriously
or whatever because he's fucking 95 pounds
but everybody's bowing
to him. But
he apparently
had been operating that whole time under
the guise of second sight. I don't want
to talk about the prescience until
we get into book two. Yeah
because book two is a little bit. Or even
until he goes through the test
the spy sagging. The spy sagging. Spoiler alert
by the way not only yeah
he might also become. I don't
know what he's going to happen. I don't
know what's going to happen at the end of this book.
He just ended up both Jessica who's not
a river mother yet and Paul who also
might want to go through this process just did it up in a situation
where they're fucking nuts deep in
spice and they just have to
because he blames it on that. He's
saying he starts to understand like
oh my powers are starting to kick in because
I'm soaked with the spice just
from eating it in the spice coffee
because they eat it in their food, they eat it in their drink.
It's just literally what happened to
LA when we got legal. It's just I am
weed. Yes.
But I have to have it to smile. Possible
item I could put in my body now
can be infused with weed if I'd like it to
be. Do you need weed tampons? They
are there. Do you need weed shoes?
You can get them. They're all
hemp shoes. They got rollies too even. They got the light
up one. Hemp was fucking shut down by the
fucking cotton industry dude
because you don't fucking get it. Hemp was multiple
use. You can eat the seeds dude.
You can make bread from it and rope. This is actually
a freeman talking about water
to a board, a very
board.
But when he understands
Paul because of his
second sight, he
made all of the decisions he
made. He was seeing
it from the present
into the future and was aping
a future version of
himself. So he said he was walking
in steps and then when they got into the ornithopter
he stepped into a blank point
of his prescience and so he didn't know
whether or not this shit was going to work out
at all. But you start to see
oh, this second
sight that everyone's going to say later
on, he's so
blessed to know the future
that he knows how to move to make everything
safe and he knows what to do in order to
get the best outcomes for everybody
but it's also
a thing you're chained to.
Yeah, it's a curse and it's also
a gigantic
responsibility because now
I think one of the biggest overall
concepts of this book is
everybody knows who's best for the universe.
Everybody knows.
Everybody knows.
The Emperor.
Everybody knows.
And so this is
the story of like maybe one person
who actually might know and can
actually do something
about it. Yeah, maybe he'll change everything
or maybe
we're not supposed to know
and supposed to have this kind of control
because at the end of the day it might create
a weird utopia dystopia. Or
in my yeah, a
thousand year reign of a
Emperor Worm God
but you know that's
again we're skipping ahead, we're skipping ahead.
I see a worm with like a tiny
mustache. It's so hard to get it to stick
to this fucking worm. That's why
in my mind, every time he has one of these
pre-seant like
outbreaks, I see him like
seeing into
book five. Seeing from book
five. A scene from book three.
A scene from book one.
At this point we should say like because we're making it sound like
and then he sees us doing this podcast.
Yeah, right? He sees us doing it.
We're making it sound like he has
he doesn't have the control. No, he has no control.
He might get later. Like he's very
it's very unwieldy. Oh no, it zips
it out. He's a child. It's the first time it's
happening to him. The spices are waking
it into him. Yes. It's starting to understand
oh fuck. Like
I'm a superhero. Yeah.
But I didn't want to be one. I didn't want
this shit. You guys made me this but now
I guess I'm in charge.
Shader Parker. Yeah. And so he's in this
ornithopter. He's driving around. He is
crazed and you know his mommy
is like super like you're not being a baby
right now and they fucking go
through all of the get to the vortex and they manage
to land and find themselves
out in the middle of the desert. So they have
survived. Well despite
when everybody said that it was going to happen, they made
their way through the storm. They're now landed
but then they have all of this gear
right. They have all of this
sort of gear and they didn't know how to use it
but somehow he can access his memories
and say like I know what this
thing is. I know what a thumper does. What we'll do
with the thumper is it's this mechanism that you
stick into the stand and it goes bump bump bump
bump bump bump bump and it
tracks a worm to it and then you
can go the opposite way and then when you
have to walk you also remember some of his memory
you have to walk in the desert not
like a man would. Like you can't make a
this dude like which I also was like it's one
of those ecological like
things where the whole point is that the way
to survive in the desert is that you're
supposed to be
of the desert and I think
it's very important to remember
because I think it's also there's like a magical thought
in there too where there's something about how
if you want shit to line up in your
life a good way to do it is to
slide into an environment where you are
now working in concurrence with the environment
instead of against it where he
knows the no way for me to not attract a worm
is I have to move like an animal would that
wouldn't be a human so you have to go
step stop slide
step step
slide pause step
when you're in the desert it's a long time
so yada yada yada
they arrive
at the siege and
that's where we're gonna come up we're gonna start next episode
and talk about the my favorite
scene in dune one
which is them all
meeting up for the first time
because what I love about this is that
because again we've only heard tell
of the powers of the bennie jessaret
and the powers of the fremen
and watch them like but
france is fucking
sweet I mentioned
a phrase and we can hold off until next
week if you want but I did mention a phrase
that was in our notes for this week mission aria
protectiva the mission aria
protectiva is you know we mention how
bennie bennie and the jessaret
we're
essentially trying to be puppeteers of the universe after
the robots were defeated in the giant robot war
that never really gets talked about that
they filled a gap that was there
and they understood I think
in a way that like on earth
I think women
I'm gonna be going on here in a while
watch it watch check yourself
before you fucking wreck here's the thing
about women is that they
um
were abused a lot on the planet earth
and they actually were in a secondary position
once we got rid of all of the moon religions
and we became mostly a solar religion base
and then we all of the
Christianity Bible we're talking about some other time
all this kind of bullshit how we became
essentially a patriarchy
by subjugating the creative power
of women and we did we did that we
controlled them because we were afraid of them
the bennie jessaret decided what if
there was a future where women were
totally in charge and women
were the puppeteers of the universe
and I think that they then they did it
they tried it and this is the missionary protectiva
from the dune companion a propaganda
arm of the bennie jessaret I find it interesting
that this person calls it propaganda
the missionary protectiva was a cadre
of missionary like sisters of the order
who ceded the known universe
with prophecy patterns
for the protection of other bennie jessaret
personnel who might venture
to backwater worlds quote-unquote
backwater worlds so what they have
is they decided to act just
like colonizers they decided to
create religion in different spaces
just to create legends and myths
to create hook points for the bennie
jessaret to show up and be in a place
so when we show up okay we show up
on a planet that we're not maybe ready for
well at least they'll be precedent
for we are in control
and that we are a safe
group here and what they didn't
know is that this missionary protectiva
person went with a long time ago arrived
in arachis and gave him the concept
of modib the desert mouse
the one that the shortens the path
I believe is the term that they use
this guy the Lisa now get
yes because well they have the quits
that cataract I don't know why they didn't think
oh we're like creating parallel things
here yes hopefully they don't fucking
show up together at the same time
what is so great about what we're saying right
now is the bennie jessaret completely
fuck themselves in the ass by creating this myth
of a chosen one in the freeman tribe
they thought was gonna help them and then they literally
just through this series of unfortunate events
have delivered this concept
human to the freeman in this moment
they just gave it to him because that's the
thing is that now because the bennie jessaret
now it's all everything's in control because the bennie
jessaret to be fair did not
know that this fix was going
down on doom no they did not know they were
not put into the plans they did not know
that there was this going to be this war there's going
to be a fake harkening sponsored
by the imperium like a lot like
he didn't all of the shit was going to happen so they didn't
know that they were going to immediately lose control
of the quits because
it went straight to the freeman
which is this group of ragtag
fucking people that no one little nobody
nobody had any money on these guys no one
thought these are going to be guys that were going to
lead the galactic
jihad and that word is important
that word is important in these days they were
going to lead the jihad against
the entire universe
yes and we're just seeing
the little spokes
of this we that that is where we're at at the end
of this episode at the beginning
of the next part this this union
will form and
I think that that is some fascinating
that is some fascinating
Herbert at work like bringing it
all together having it all connect
in this crazy way
would go on to say and we'll cover this a lot later
on but Frank Herbert will go on to say he
thought in his mind
he was writing the book
so I mean he's insane
but I like that about him
where he was like doon will
explain everything
and that's just like all right well
we'll fucking see bro
we'll see what happens we'll see if it explains
still fucking doesn't explain everything for you
Clarissa fucking lay down
all right why don't we call her and see what
Clarissa has to say about all this
all right honestly I could use
some help I wish that Clarissa
was a resource was a
co-host of a podcast
an executive producer like somebody
just helped it just create more
of an explanation it's right outlines
it's just to
coming into a room once a week
and just trying to hammer it all out
just screaming at each other and we don't know anything
we don't have a pleasure or wives we don't have
a fucking make a career better we literally
grapple for the for 30 minutes
before we and then immediately we start recording
we scream and scream and scream
and then we have a hot dog eating competition
just to see if we one of us will throw up
before the show and then we begin
then we start
hey and now thank you guys so much for joining us
this week for Dunecast we'll be back
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but now another selection
from Dune theater
we now join the Baron Harkinen
as he is fit for new suspensors
hahaha
hahaha
my dear Baron please
get off the ceiling I may be your tailor
but I'm very busy this day but what if
I like it here on the ceiling
you've got to stop spinning please I'm spinning
on the ceiling
spinning spinning I make myself
sick
then I throw it up
now I drink
throw up it's delicious I'm
evil now I take my penis out
yes we all know with
the boy and did somebody say
a little boy I'll come down
for little boys please come down
you know I tell you what
Taylor it's sometimes lonely at the top
yes everyone loves it when a man
talks about how difficult it is to be rich
and powerful no one wants to get to
know the real me because maybe
the real you is shitty
yeah but that also
gives me my bad boy attitude
my reputation don't jet please
you know I have to outfit fade Ralph
with the new leather penis hammock this day
are you yelling at me are you
telling your Baron
what to do no I mean maybe
I mean I don't know
I'll take your heart poor boy and I'll watch
you die and then I'll laugh about it
and then I'll fly around
the ceiling again
I know that's what you'll do you've done that
to count this Taylor's before me please just
come down how about you come up here
you know I can't spinning
just quit being a villain for one second
no with these new suspensers
I know they're about to give out
foolish table I will never
oh
I did fall told you so
never tell
anyone I fell
you know I won't
tell anyone it's too risky
I'm gonna have to pull your heart plug
fuck I should have picked a different light
to work
yep you should have been an accountant
though I did kill all the accountants
this morning
well I guess I'm just gonna lie here
about my suspensers it's very difficult for me
to move with my current weight
I don't mind it
and this has been another edition of Dune Theatre
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