Last Podcast On The Left - Relaxed Fit: The Botched Lobotomies of Rosemary Kennedy & Howard Dully

Episode Date: July 4, 2020

On this week's Relaxed Fit episode, we dive into the oft-forgotten Kennedy, Rosemary, and her disastrous lobotomy, as well as the icepick procedure done to Howard Dully.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started What was that? What in the world? Unsolved Mysteries is back What? Have you been watching it? I have

It's really very sad There's a lot of sad stories in the new Unsolved Mysteries But one thing that honestly made me kinda like I'm gonna use the word triggered Is that they have, like you know Netflix has the button to skip intro button Right? That you could like click to skip the intro And I was like this is Unsolved Mysteries

We are gonna fucking skip the intro The one, cause they do a little call back They do a shadowy call back to Robert Stack Where he just appears through his cancer smoke And it's so nice to see his grizzled face But I don't understand being like what kind of fucking monster What kind of sacraments We are not, we are gonna sit here

We're gonna watch Unsolved Mysteries And we're not gonna sit on the couch doing robot dances I say you only watch the intro back to back to back to back to back to back Skipping the intro is like skipping the first part of the movie up You can't get to the joy until you see the sadness I hate the beginning up I hate the way Pixar manipulates my emotions I don't wanna feel these things

I don't wanna think about my father Welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone I am Ben Kissel Staring at the beautiful face of Marcus Parks I'm staring at me through a computer screen more like Absolutely And of course, Henry Zabrowski as well You know, last week's episode Lobotomies

People loved it They really, they expanded their minds as we were talking about destroying the minds of others And this See how he skipped the tall whites See how he skipped it because of how maligned he was And how upset he's still about it And how tender that moment was for him Well, it was a little tender and they didn't quite realize how people were gonna make a lot of different kind of jokes

And then they're like, is this episode about Ben's family? And then I said, no, it's not And then even the last podcast Instagram Was so kind to post a picture of my family On the Instagram Next to aliens So yes, I am skipping the tall whites of the episode that never happened Of course

But we're trying to cover some people Some people that have been specifically affected by Lobotomies And then I got really into, because we were basically talking about Rosemary Kennedy Yes And I have been trying to figure out a way to also talk about Like I wanted to be, find interesting stuff about like rich old families hiding away Like a deformed family member Because for some reason in my mind, I'm thinking like Leonardo DiCaprio, Man in the Iron Mask

Like some kind of like romantic weird gothic tale And then when you start really looking into it It's some of the most depressing, fucked up, horrible stories that have ever existed It's devastating, man Did you think throwing away Lobotomies family members was going to be a lighthearted subject? I don't know what I thought and it just shows that what this business does to the human mind is irreversible I completely agree Let's look at the fun side of child abuse

I just tried to find something that was interesting and I thought it was interesting And then you start to realize, oh, I am the observant monster I am the man in the walled away room Wow But I have a computer that takes me anywhere Isn't that the powerful message? You are, it's like Johnny Depp in the movie Secret Window It was him the whole time

You just ruined the movie It was out for 25 years also You just ruined the movie Speaking of Lobotomies, I had a chance to drive all across country this week which was amazing Some of the people, apparently Lobotomies are still happening Judging by the cheese chalet I drove by in Wisconsin Those people might not necessarily be fully equipped mentally But I just got to say this

For everyone saying that this country is full, it is not This country is so damn empty So if anyone wants to come here, I can sell you a plot of land All of Utah It's empty, but a lot of it is protected It is empty But you can go in there There's not a lot of people watching it

That's just the truth You can go in camp in there If you're an illegal, you can go out there deep into the Deep into the Natural Arches Museum And they have no clue That whole, all the different spaces They don't know that you're there So just go set up camp

Just don't fuck with the rocks or the cactuses Don't mess with the rocks As a matter of fact though I've seen some people undocumented folks could just replace And I think that would be right I think that they should And the Midwest is doing a good job They're trying to fill all that empty space with just their bodies

They're filling it up But that's also, we try to keep the show We try to keep last podcast and the left timeless Like honestly, we try not to put too many markers of like What time period we're doing it But I will say because of COVID-19 We're all separated into our own homes Kissel is, we're gonna see what kind of T-virus takes over

Kissel's body as he's sampled the country's different things But Kissel's good He took care of himself And he said there were 90% of people across this country Actually act like there is a disease Rampant current Well, I don't know about 90% But there was 8% of people

That seemed to know we were in a pandemic Certainly, I do want to apologize to Hotel My dogs did defecate Quite a bit in that hotel room I did have to pay a healthy fine For that I didn't realize that

I love that you got the call from the hotel manager Who was like, hey, yeah, this is Jerry from Hotel's just gonna just come call it you know I know what you did That's what he said And I was like, what happened? He's like, you know what you did I was like, what do you mean?

He's like, yeah, you know what you did And then they just charged me a bunch But I didn't realize if you feed dogs Nothing but a diet of gas station burritos And beef jerky, they're just like us And then they have bodies too And anyway, all I know is that those dogs Are very happy not to be living like

Eileen Warnows' next victim Yeah, dogs don't have like the ability to know To go like, let me in the bathroom Let me in the bathroom I gotta go, I gotta go, let me in They don't have that No, they do shit But they definitely have the ability

To stare at you as they piss in a corner Of a room that they know they shouldn't be And they know that you know that they shouldn't be And then they're very mad at you And they stare at you and piss And it's like so powerful It is so powerful This is what being a father is, Kissel

And I honestly feel like your buddy Dave Kohler And who's designed a lot of work for the art Of the last podcast network over the years I think that he also has the ability To just piss in a corner and stare at you Oh yeah, we call that the old Omaha water fountain Alright, so are we ready to get into Some further tragedies of lobotomies?

You know what? I've never been more excited I can't wait, I'm getting my ice pick ready right now I love this When we did our series on lobotomies We covered many of the failures That came as a result of the procedure But we neglected to mention the most famous

Of all failed lobotomies JFK's sister, Rosemary Kennedy And that's part of what we'll be covering today So whose brain had it worse? JFK or Roslyn Kennedy? Rosemary, Rosemary Kennedy To be completely frank, I think at least JFK, whatever happened to him

It happened quick That's true In 1941, Rosemary Kennedy was subjected to a lobotomy At the hands of the infamous Walter Freeman Years before the ice pick lobotomy Became Freeman's procedure of choice With Rosemary Kennedy, Walter Freeman was still Drilling holes in the sides of heads

And cutting cores from the frontal lobes In an attempt to solve whatever mental Or behavioral problems the patients might have This is absolutely incredible What I found here, I took several cores Out of this young Irishman's head And I found an emerald This is amazing

I'm making money That's incredible, great work doctor But before we get specifically Into Rosemary's lobotomy Let's give a little bit more background On the Kennedy family As it was laid out by Emanuel Hapsis On an article about Rosemary Kennedy

Featured on KQED.org We're just gonna go into the history Of the Kennedys real quick We're just gonna breeze over The most dynastic family in American history Just as a side note to our lobotomy series Straight up, the Kennedys They can be sum up with bad back

Love boats and love yelling at dinner That is mostly what they did Don't forget murder Well, I mean, you gotta realize The funny thing about it is that we did Six parts on JFK And we barely scratched the surface Of the Kennedy family itself

In the history of the Kennedy family It's very long, it's a very rich story But it's also a very, very tragic story One thing that we didn't really talk about All that much on our Kennedy series Is the Kennedy curse Specifically, this deadly bit of hoodoo Applied to the generation of Kennedy children

That included both JFK and RFK The Kennedy curse is actually Is that on every fifth boner It goes backwards I thought I had to take a dump But it was the Kennedy curse Can you fail? The head of my cock Push it against the back of my asshole

I hate the Kennedy curse This man needs a lobotomy Of course, we know both JFK and RFK Were assassinated in the 60s But the deaths of the Kennedy children Began long before that In World War II, Joe Kennedy Jr The Kennedy who was supposed to be president

Instead of JFK was killed in action He was like the one that they all loved He was like the shining star of the family He was the Jeb Yeah, he was being groomed for president And after JFK and RFK were killed Their sister Kathleen died in a plane crash in France RFK's mother and father-in-law

Died in a plane crash He almost died in a plane crash And also killed that woman He killed that woman That kind of gets pushed over quite a bit But he didn't kill that woman You know everyone puts on him and Matthew Broderick They wink at each other

If you bring the star of the producers into this Matthew Broderick felt bad about drinking And driving and killing that person Ted Kennedy could have saved her There were scratch marks on the top of the car's roof So that means the woman was trying to get out And it took like eight hours for her to die And you know what Ted Kennedy did? This is true

He got back to the hotel And he complained to the manager That his neighbors were being too loud I swear to God, that's a true story That is, I mean, what can you do? You know, he had priorities And a big thing was keeping up his hotels.com Platinum status

Which requires you to put in reviews And that's a job in and of itself You want to get those discounts This Kennedy family is like so scary If you find out that one of them are on your plane It's like the movie Final Destination You have got to get off If you're just like waiting on your Delta plane

They're like, Bob Kennedy, Bob Kennedy Please report, please report, Bob Kennedy Oh, I'll rent a car I'll rent a car and drive We got that new fucking redheaded whatever that guy is The new Kennedy, whatever He crawled out from under a rock I don't know who that kid is

I think he went back underneath the rock I hope so, because, again He should be traveling by fucking train Yeah Fucking John Madden, he lost one football team Never flew again The Kennedys, they have lost their entire family And all they do is do air travel

Yeah, and then finally there was JFK Jr. In 1999, who also died in the plane crash And his memory now has to deal With the indignity of being involved In the QAnon conspiracy As a man who faked his death In order to take down the elite Satanist pedophile football from behind the scenes

And JFK Jr. is even thought By some QAnon believers To return from the dead This year to run as Trump's new VP Honestly? Honestly, I take it I would take it I'm gonna say the sentence, big if true

Big if true All of that turns out to be true And then like Andy Kaufman has come back From the dead and puts on a hell of a performance I'd be really happy I'd be really happy, you make fucking Elvis Presley Still alive, he's 95 years old Or 108, I don't know how old he'd be now

And you make him like, in charge of HUD You don't mean I'm fine with it And then There was Rosemary Now the story that I've always heard about Rosemary Was that Joe Kennedy Sr., JFK's father Gave his difficult daughter a lobotomy And locked her away in the Kennedy attic

Until she died Now that isn't quite true It certainly runs perpendicular to the truth Rosemary was Indeed born with developmental disabilities But those disabilities Were a result of medical incompetence Not genetics

Oh, so the story is worse Yeah I swear I don't keep choosing Stories involving plagues on purpose But Rosemary was born in 1918 The same year that the Spanish Flu Killed millions of people across the globe It just happens every once in a while

It seems to be an important part of history That we continue to ignore And that we shouldn't prepare For further pandemics Yeah Now America was hit just as hard As everyone else And the Kennedy family was living in Boston

By the time Rose Kennedy was ready to give birth To Rosemary But since so many people in Boston Were infected with the Spanish Flu The Kennedy family physician Had a ton of sick and dying patients To attend to before He could get around to dropping by the Kennedy

Home to deliver Rosemary Oh see I don't think that's right I think if you're a doctor you have to prioritize The new If you have someone who is dying of the Spanish Flu It's like alright but we got a baby to deliver here The next generation we need to seed Boston for the future

Hey dude this is 1918 He's already out in the field He doesn't know that Rose Kennedy has gone into labor yet He's just out there taking care of people Every single day because he's a doctor That's what he's got to do So he doesn't find out until hours later That she has gone into labor

I would say Kissel you should save your Which people are obsolete Like tallies for when you're running for office I think it's a really important time To really state Who needs to be let go and the levels Of the levels of which Of people that need to be let go

I'm just saying if you have someone Who has COVID But then someone's giving birth right next to them You gotta go catch the football You gotta catch the baby If they're right in front of you It's like if I'm sitting here eating a sandwich And I see a woman giving birth in front of me

I'll go and help the birth And even though the sandwich probably take a lot of Because some sandwiches Let's all relate here for a second Some sandwiches you gotta keep hands on the entire time You can't even put it down if you wanted to Because if the sandwich is a fault they'll fall apart Due to the slippery nature of some of the

Items on the sandwich Or just simply the amount of meat that you decided to pile on there And yeah I would choose Getting a baby out of a woman's vagina I'd be there going like give it to me, give it to me, give it to me Instead of making sure my sandwich Stayed together because it takes a whole three minutes To put it back together

Oh my god it's a waking nightmare And once it's fallen apart You're never actually putting it back together yet It's never the fucking same Just like this chick What do you mean just like this chick We had you pulled out We pulled you out of the fire

We pulled you out of the fire and then she got back in It's 1918 She's a Kennedy, they're a murderous rampaging On the society But the thing here is that if not for medical incompetence None of that would have mattered See there was a nurse Present who could have delivered

The baby and the baby was indeed Ready to come out but for reasons I can't fathom The nurse instead ordered Rosemary's mother to keep her legs Closed until the doctor Arrived So she did the fucking

Brett the hit man heart Was the sharpshooter on a fetus What do you mean how is It possible She just closed her legs like the baby is The baby is crowning it's starting to come out of the vagina And the nurse is saying close the legs Close the legs the doctor's not here yet

You gotta wait for the doctor And when the baby turtle hated the baby And when the baby refused to wait When she couldn't keep her fucking legs closed anymore The nurse actually pushed the baby's head Back into the birth canal And held it there For two hours

That's harder than just giving birth to the fucking baby This Baffling decision kept oxygen From reaching baby rosemary Which resulted in life long Developmental disabilities As Henry said much worse At two years old

When other toddlers are learning how to talk And in some cases run rosemary Could hardly sit up or even crawl And what was even more unfortunate Was that the Kennedys at the time Were caught up in the eugenics craze Oh no way It was a surprise

For the uninitiated eugenics Is a highly discredited belief That society can be engineered Into a utopia Through a process of selective breeding Eugenics was based In large part on the genetic experiments Thomas Hunt Morgan had done

On fruit flies Now Morgan completely distanced himself From eugenics saying that he barely understood What the fuck was going on with the fruit flies Much less how such theories Could be applied to humans I'm just gonna go out in a limb here and say Honestly, I'm not a good doctor

And I just killed a bunch of flies That's really all I did You should have seen what I did to the frogs No one should pay attention to me There's a great American experience documentary Called the eugenics crusade Which lays out the whole history of eugenics It's fucking fascinating, of course as we know

Eugenics led to the Nazis Of course, you know who else believes in eugenics LeVar Ball of the Ball family Triple B brand He talks about it all the time He's the dad of these basketball players All of these kids, Lonzo Ball He used to be a Laker, now I forget where he's playing

All the time how he picked his wife He said this in front of his wife in an interview I picked her out because she was gonna be good for breeding And then she's just like, yes, yes, he did And I was like, this is so weird And I showed him how much I took an apple And I put it inside of myself

So it became a grapefruit It was incredible My vagina can do so much pressure in there So people still believe in this stuff Eugenics, we talked about that That's where Frank Thomas, he's still Plugging this product called eugenics Which sounds a lot like new eugenics

This idea That people with quote unquote bad genes Automatically give birth To more people with quote unquote bad genes Took off specifically among rich elites Who tend to look on the lower classes As little more than animals whose only purpose Is to make those elites richer

And that thought has been around Since the beginning of classes began Like this idea that Because what does is create a validation system Of why we're so rich And the poor are so poor And why we're gonna make them poorer and poorer Because their jobs are to

Use their bodies literally to the death To build our empires Because we would not be here If not for our excellent breeding And where we came from Which is also the weird classes Implications of the reptilians And that concept like all this kind of weird shit

That there are strains of nobles Like the black nobility That were the reason why they're at the top of the heap Was because a fucking million years ago Reptilians chose their line of chimps To have sex with Oh no kidding, big old movies on them Chimps there perhaps

I mean I've reviewed for getting to pick one I'd pick one that's got the nicest round Is bottom and the biggest top Absolutely, sure Or not, whatever is beautiful If you, Rupert Murdoch The idea that rich people Thank you, the idea that rich people are somehow

More capable than poor people is ridiculous If you put a pebble on the ground And gave Rupert Murdoch a broom To clean it up He would just end up shoving it up his ass Like he has no idea what he's doing That man cannot do anything He's the size of a small one

You do give me this mustache on a stick Eugenics Well eugenics was the idea That you are genetically poor That like poor is a That it is your fault that you are poor Because you have bad genes Or it's your fault that you're a drunk

Or you're chronically unemployed It all comes down to bad genes And if we stop those people from breeding With each other, then we can form This fantastic utopia in which everybody Is a white Middle to upper class person And then they, using police

And the educational systems They created a version of the genetically poor Or they are attempting to Creating a whole group of people Where it's almost impossible for them to get out of that situation Well I think they succeeded on that front Since the Kennedys were firmly a part of that Rich elite class

They were terrified that their rich friends Would see Rosemary through a eugenics lens And therefore the Kennedys would be Considered carriers of those Bad genes All the rest of the sons had permanent health problems Already They all already were born with health problems

I mean I guess it's Easier, I guess it's hard to Explain that like the nurse pushed her Back in, like I guess that's Like a hard thing to bring up every single time Someone's like so what's wrong, you know Like what's wrong with your daughter, you'd be like The nurse kept her in the oven too long

That's where Zazzle really would have Health back in the day because you could have made a t-shirt That you could put on her The nurse pushed my head back in And that's how you know That you're slower, I mean that's how you know Not genetics, nurse did it Furthermore

The Kennedys were famously Catholic And to this day I read an article on which this happened in January Of this year, some Catholic Priests refused to give communion or Confirmation to the intellectually Disabled because they say they don't Have the cognitive ability to

Choose Christ Yep, and there's also a rule That the Catholic church does not Hold priests accountable For children made By priests and breaking The rule of celibacy. They literally Are allowed to have, they can be forgiven

For breaking the rule of celibacy But they are not allowed to take on the child Like by the church. So the children They continue to exist, however They exist, but they go, whoopsie do My penis made a bad one And then they get to go and do the Hail Mary pass To God, and then it's fine

The old Doug Flutey move there Well, that's really unfortunate because Everyone loves a cracker, and I feel like If you're in line, you know If you think the fucking Eucharist Is a cracker, then you're eating the wrong Crackers, my friend, because they're far more Luxurious, buttery,

Crispier crackers than a Eucharist I'm not lying to you, my Catholic church Changed up the Eucharist because People were like, this one's got to be really good And they changed it up Sweating, they might as well put a dollop Of freaking cheddar cheese on it Like liquid cheese withs or something

That's next, they're just going to be like And this is the Eucharist, there's a little ham on top You'll notice that Spray cheese into each one of their fucking mouths But perhaps most pressing On the Kennedy's minds were their Political aspirations Having a disabled daughter

Wasn't a good look in the first Half of the 20th century And Joe Kennedy had a plan to Install one of his sons in the White House One day The Kennedy's opinions on the disabled Only got worse in 1934 When Joe Jr. went to Germany

Where the eugenic theories That were getting big in America were colliding With the aerosophic ideas Of a master race of Aryans Yikes On the worst group of fucking Think Tank dudes since the people that came Up with the double down

Don't mess with the KFC Double down, it gets your fingers all greasy But it gets your tummy all nice and full Keep it in Ha ha ha Ah Keep it in I think that's a good new slogan for KFC

Keep it down Keep it down, never poop Well after the visit, Joe Jr. Who would eventually die fighting the Nazis Became a convert To Hitler's program Of sterilizing disabled Germans Which most agree was Hitler's first step

Towards the Holocaust Joe Jr. wrote to Joe Sr. That he believed the sterilization law was Quote, a great thing And that the program Would do away with many of the Quote disgusting specimens of men Which inhabit this earth

And to this, Joe Jr. simply replied Quote, I think Your conclusions are very sound Well these people can barely even stand up Their heads are so big Their legs are so tiny What is wrong with the Kennedy family I just don't understand how they had the ego

To even begin thinking that they Were supposed to be American royalty That's a whole other thing if we ever get Into the dynasty, I wonder where it all started It started with Joe Jr. It started with Joe Sr. He was the one that- Yeah, it was his idea

He was the one that- I mean it's much more complicated Than that and there are other people involved in it But yeah, Joe Sr. was kind of the guy That said like, the Kennedys are gonna be big In America, like the Kennedys are gonna fucking The Kennedys are gonna be huge And you know, really like Joe Sr. And Joe Jr. are really the only

Gigantic pieces of shit, except maybe Ted But we'll get later Into how all of this affected JFK personally So when it became obvious that Rosemary Was one of what they considered to be Disgusting specimens They shipped her off to various boarding schools

And institutions While lying to their friends and family Saying that Rosemary was doing just fine Now Rosemary's development Did improve when Joe Sr. Was appointed ambassador to the United Kingdom And the whole family temporarily Relocated to England

But when World War II got serious for Londoners The Kennedys returned to the United States Like, I've had enough Of these different type of french fries They're starting to explode things And I just became Foscar Doing the Kennedys

Somehow I got here With my boss and accent I love Forrest Kennedy I think he's gonna make it big one day After they returned to the United States Rosemary, who is now 22 years old Regressed

Flying into violent rages In which she would physically attack others To the point of injury And after bouncing around a few schools She was eventually sent to a convent school In DC I don't think any of the way they are treating her Helped her condition in any way, shape, or form

No, no Especially this type of like malpractice Like things that happen to children And affect your brain It's just really crazy to see how The structure of your brain Is like real important To have you be happy

Like it's just the size and shape of it Has to be as the production line Was supposed to make it And if you make it look Like a peanut in any way, shape, or form You're just not gonna be right You know, people are always getting tattoos To be unique and stuff

You know, with Play-Doh You can have like the star when you push The Play-Doh through Maybe we can do that with women With the vagina, we'll put little molds And then you can have like a star kid And you can have like a kid that has like a triangle head And like a kid that has like a cool, I mean

I don't know, just kind of fun That's mind boggling And horrifying But also at the same time, I'd see it You know, I'd look at it And I'd be like, wow, you did that I don't know what it would do to them But if maybe if they were forming

In a weird way, I somehow came around To understanding Newkissle Like if they managed to do it While the brain was forming Maybe they'd be normal if you could shape it From inside of the uterus That's what I'm saying It's kind of fun that everyone's different

You know the human brain, like the human skull When a child is first born, the brain The skull is very malleable You can shape the skull In all sorts of different fun ways So I don't know, I mean, third act Third act! My thing is that if your head becomes shaped

Like the Statue of Liberty I don't know if you're going to be able To come out of the vagina Oh, well, they got C-sections and stuff like that That's not the problem You're not even using your fucking brain right now I'm sorry, I'm dumb I must have some sort of tear

Drop shaped brain inside of my skull I don't know what's going on So, Rosemary gets sent To a convent in Washington DC And when she started sneaking out at night Because you know, she's fucking, she's 22 years old She's living with a bunch of fucking nuns Of course she's going to sneak out

But the nuns became convinced that the only reason Why Rosemary was doing this Was to have illicit sex With multiple men No, she was trying to get a fucking like Soda pop at the old school Pharmacist where they just pull it out of the machine Like she was trying to

See a park bitch A moment of freedom So worried that having an unpredictable sister Might prevent one of his sons From reaching the White House Joe Kennedy started asking doctors If there was another option here Uh-oh

And that's when Joe was told about a new procedure Called the lobotomy Oh, no Yes, caught her brain Can we then get, maybe we could put some sort of gun Up her butt And shoot through herself, I guess Up to the top of her head

I'm just spitballing here Now it's sort of like a chimney sweep What was most outrageous About this decision to have a lobotomy Was that since Rosemary Had been diagnosed as In the parlance of the times That was called at the time mentally retarded

Only Joe's consent Was necessary to approve the procedure They didn't need to even tell the mother Wow, she could just Go get her brain poked Didn't need Rosemary's permission Didn't need the mother's permission Joe could just fucking do it because that's how the law was set up

Because people who were Developmentally disabled had no rights In any way whatsoever Damn As it was, Rosemary's mother wasn't even told What was happening until after It happened Why didn't the mother have any say

In the rearing of this child She wasn't even allowed to give birth to it On her own terms I feel like this is, hopefully We've gotten better on that front This is, it seems to be There is a stripe Of this idea of being like

My husband makes those decisions Like that type of thought process Where they just don't even think about anything The senior was a quote-unquote Very important man He was one of these people that was He viewed himself as one of the shapers Of our country, that's what he wanted to do

He wanted to control The way our entire country went And those people don't really like Think about us as people And I can't imagine what they think about Their own children, their own progeny As their own like, as extensions of themselves To him, she was just some

Shadow form of his own mind And he's just like, I'll do it with her Whatever I want And so in November 1941 Walter Freeman and James Watts Who had not yet left Freeman's side Performed the procedure Oh, both of them

This is back when they were still doing The prefrontal lobotomy This was not transorbital lobotomy just yet This is hardcore, this is the worst one Now at this point In the evolution of the lobotomy Watts and Freeman had advanced to the point Where they were giving patients local anesthetic

But keeping the patient awake During the procedure To test cognitive ability After shaving her head And drilling holes into the side of her skull Freeman asked Rosemary To tell stories Recite the Lord's Prayer

And in a move that would be considered A little too on the nose if it was in a movie Asked her to sing God Bless America Oh my god, can you imagine Being seen worse than that Than getting a lobotomy From Joe Kennedy Sr

While scream singing God Bless America Oh my god I'm pretty sure that's how Michelle Bachman Does gay conversion therapy to this day though But while Rosemary was communicating And Freeman was slicing into her brain With a tool the attending nurse Described as a butter knife

Rosemary suddenly became incoherent And stopped talking All together Oh my god And then that's when you hear the Oops I went a horrifying Went a horrifying moment

Just being like uh uh Put the tape on it You know for a fact there was like a record producer Next door being like dammit She could have been the next Susan Boyle You all went too far and now she can't sing at all Well this is like in the very early Like they'd done a few dozen lobotomies

At this point This was still very much like Let's see what happens You know they don't have it down yet And once she stopped talking And once she started being like speaking gibberish And then just went silent all together They knew they'd cut too deep

The procedure was an unmitigated disaster And watching these two men Casually cut into a young woman's brain As she lost all cognitive ability With so disturbing to the attending nurse That she quit the medical profession All together immediately afterward Oh my god I imagine

That's very uh that's very traumatizing When Rosemary finally came to She had the mental capacity of a Two-year-old child She couldn't speak, couldn't walk And was incontinent for the rest of her Long, long life But Joe told

No one what happened Well because I feel like in some way Like wouldn't you be I guess you're just not I imagine the way he views The world this is probably some Sort of unfortunate circumstance That he oh What a pity that this happened

What a shame that this happened And then to the institution They went and just boarded her up I just feel so horrible for the nurse That she had her love of medicine ruined Very similar to when I got my job at Arby's I love the BFG Love the BFG and then once you see it

You don't want to see how it's made Once you see the liquefied Whatever that is Really ruins it for you I think it's pretty close Well Joe sent his daughter to an institution 30 miles north of New York City And told his wife not to

Visit her own daughter So Rosemary could get accustomed to her new Living arrangement Joe you are so correct And I'm so glad that he can tell me how to live Joe, tell me Joe All these shoes Oh yes those shoes

Were nice but we're just gonna Those are shoes May I wear them Joe? Yeah you can wear the shoes I don't do anything without my husband's permission Well Put them on your feet You put them on your hands

Oh don't tell it Never really seen these before Never operated these before without my husband's permission Never should have procreated it with you Well family and friends were told that Rosemary was off studying to become Involved in social work And Rosemary's own sister Eunice

Didn't know where Rosemary was For over a decade Eventually Joe Kennedy had A cottage built for Rosemary At an institution named St. Colettis It took two decades 20 years Before Rose finally visited

Her daughter and Joe Kennedy Never saw Rosemary ever again And of course St. Colette That is the saint of chain smoking I love St. Colette Saint of chain smoking and really just Room temperature coffee And that's what we do, St. Colette's prayer

That is a very standard thing In the Soprowski household where you light A cigarette with a lit cigarette Yup It actually wasn't until After Joe Kennedy had a stroke In 1961 20 years after the lobotomy

That most of her siblings were told where she was But three years before that One of them had already Figured it out While he was gearing up to run for president JFK actually went And visited Rosemary And because he was so moved

By her plight, this is actually a good thing The last piece of legislation JFK signed before he was killed Gave rights to intellectually Disabled Americans for the first Time in our history I gotta tell you Rosemary, I'm looking at the Cottage, I'm looking the way you're living

All I gotta say, it's a bummer It is a bummer Because it's got to almost be Because true, because from what We've read about JFK, he had his ups and downs But it seems like in his Insert moments, he was a very good man And there's also that other

Moment too of like, you're running for president And then you're like What happened to Rosemary? I'm running for fucking president Right now, no one told me This shit, we had no clue In the end, because originally The family would sit around the table

And have intellectual discourse That was the whole thing, he would pit The family against each other, Joe Sr Would make everybody debate each other And he decided who won, who won Who lost, they'd have Sports competitions against each other They would vote rates, all this kind of bullshit

And so they always knew that Rosemary was never really a part of all this And at some point she just went away And it's just, you know They could have asked those questions earlier But you don't know What do you do up against, again Joe Sr, a very

Important man What do you do when your parents just take your Sister away, it's like It's a tough thing to bring up at dinner I guess A couple of them did make it up JFK signed that legislation Eunice Kennedy, Rosemary's sister

Founded the Special Olympics Oh hell yeah Really the inspiration for that She could have, I wish she did That's all she needed to do She was honest about it My little brother, he is a Special Olympic hero

He's been kicking ass for a long time And the nice thing about Special Olympics You get to just scream at people Because you're there supporting your brother And then you're like, you're a loser Go Mikey, go Mikey You suck, go Mikey And it's really fun

At a different level, there is no such thing As being disabled, just differently abled And everyone adds a different level Of love to the world, don't they Of course, as far as how long Rosemary's life was She survived not only Oliver Sibling's save Ted

She even survived JFK Jr Oh my god Rosemary Kennedy died from natural causes On January 7th 2005 At the age of 86 I didn't know that

Oh my god, she lived a long time Was there any, could she have Joe, I mean, I guess we talked about it in the Lobotomy series, you feel like nothing, right? You feel like no highs, no lows So she was just sort of She was cared for by nuns Did she have any fun?

I mean, what was her life like? They had, they bought her a car She didn't drive But they would, you know, the nuns Would take her out on rides Where she'd like, she'd go out, because she was And actually two years old, you know So she was

She went and did what Puffin does for fun? Yeah Puffin was such a great co-pilot Dog is my co-pilot, that's what I say And he was so perfect All across the country I'm gonna kill you You've become the biggest

Saleswoman from Michael's That I've ever seen And her lobotomy Actually became public knowledge before she died It became public knowledge in 1987 Wow Now that's the case of a famous botched lobotomy Another case

Involved a 12 year old boy Named Howard Dooley Who was given the infamous ice pick lobotomy In 1960 Long after lobotomies were Considered proper or Necessary Yeah, these are like, this is a latter period

This is when Walter Freeman In parlance of serial killers He was in his fucking frenzy He had gone full Trying to get as many as possible Trying to keep them legit And people were just paying him money to do them Because at this point

He was like, it's a preventative measure This is to make it so People don't get too bad, it isn't a little Ding ding ding, ding ding ding, that's it Who do you think caused more harm as a doctor? Harold Shipman Or Dr. Freedman Like truly, because

Obviously he murdered over 200 people I would say Freeman, because It was tens of thousands of people Who are subjected to lobotomies And they had to live lives And it helped What was it, like 20%

Something like that, it quote unquote helped Which just nullified their symptoms I mean, really He probably killed more Than He probably killed more people than Shipman did Because lobotomies had a fatality Rate of 9%

Oh my god, yeah, so do that math 9% Of 10,000 60,000 Henry, do that math real quick What do you think the number would be? 4,500 Okay, I'll take it

Let me try to see it You can tell me anything 60% times I'm just doing it on my laptop 0.9% 0.9 5,400 Alright, you undershot it, but that's good

So he is definitely one of the biggest serial killers In the history of serial killers Well, it wasn't just him that did the lobotomies That also included That also includes other people Like other psychiatrists who were not surgeons Who performed icepick lobotomies Gotcha, but so responsible

It's more like if the writers Of the Macarena If the Macarena killed 9% of the people who did it Right, writers of the Macarena Or Lou Baga Who has killed more people With their hit

We'll find out, I want to find out Yeah, because mombo number 6 is supposed to come out after quarantine But I think it doesn't involve him killing a woman I'm not certain In the case of Howard Dooley He was given a lobotomy at 12 years old Not because he suffered from any mental problems But because he was suffering

Behavioral problems Exacerbated by the abuse Of an evil stepmother Who not so coincidentally Pushed for the lobotomy When Howard was 4 years old His biological mother died in childbirth And 3 years after that

His father remarried to a woman named Lou Who began abusing Howard soon after she moved in Now this is like Howard could have gone one of two ways Either lobotomy or serial killer Because this is a serial killer's mother Damn She started inspecting Howard's anus

Regularly And if she didn't like what she saw She'd take a washcloth and vigorously Wipe All while complaining about how dirty Of a boy he was I don't like it Mommy dearest, my butthole is

Definitely clean enough Damn, I don't like it I don't want anybody to spit shine down there And I don't want it to be reflective That one's bad for a child Absolutely not When Howard was bad Lou would take down his pants

Drape him over her knee And spank him bare butt All while screaming about how he was Every kind of moron in the world By the way, moron comes from eugenics No kidding It was a medical classification Interesting, I thought it was

Oh, that's too stupid to even say I was going to say something like there's a lot of rons And then it was like, oh, that's a moron There's morons than toads That's the type of test I've never said in my life And I'm gonna die This is the type of test that would be administered to you If I don't kiss you

You are scientifically a moron I need a lobotomy No, there's more rons than there are teds I'm gonna die You are legally A moron Well, eventually The spankings escalated

To being beaten with a metal vacuum cleaner Host So sad And these vacuum cleaners now are just so flimsy You can't beat anybody with them This is a 1960s vacuum cleaner When people bought stuff for life Do you remember that when your parents were like

You're gonna have that forever And then immediately Wal-Mart was like But what if you throw it away in six months And buy it in new shit Built to fall apart The thing was Howard wasn't a bad kid He, I mean, the worst thing he did Is he liked scaring people

He liked hiding behind doors and like jumping out for Like a little fun scare That's what I like to do And sometimes he'd steal food because Lou forbade eating between official meals Oh my god, come on He was just a kid But because he was treated like a bad kid

He started acting like a bad kid Right So when he started shoplifting And in a move that is very common Among sexually abused children He started playing with his own feces A lot of sexually abused kids do that If you see a kid doing that

Call the police Oh my god It's the truth Because they are taught this weird obsession With their, I mean Again, he is being molested Essentially he's being molested during this time period But when Howard was taken to see psychiatrists

By records, all six Said that Howard was just a normal kid And four of those six Said that the problem was very specifically Stepmother Lou Right So Lou kept searching for someone to tell her That she was right

And eventually she found Walter Freeman Ugh See by the 60s, Freeman was pretty much out of the game As advances in medication Had made the lobotomy obsolete As far as the public went For the new science kid on the scene In fact, he had lost his job at GWU

And people were finally starting to look Like hey, he probably shouldn't have been doing that Nobody should have been doing that Right So Freeman thought that perhaps a new path to relevance And notoriety would be Not in giving lobotomies to adults with mental problems But instead giving them

To children Getting them early He had like a eureka moment Where it's like what about kids? Who had the idea that he could stop Whatever quote unquote behavioral problems In a child because this is at the time When they would stuff like a kid who was

Bad and they couldn't Or they quote unquote bad or just like Literally either bored or acting out Or this kind of like just Behavioral problems They started saying stuff like Like he started calling them like labeling them With very intense mental disorders

Yeah A lot of times they were just normal kids Who had excess energy or were being abused Or had other things going on But when you're six I don't know if you can have Schizophrenia I don't know I mean take it from me

I'm a foster father Of a nine month old dash on Chihuahua Kids are crazy And January is insane But when they sleep it makes up for it doesn't it Cause it's so cute It's so cute I always watch kids sleep

Well no the dog The dog but when they can't sleep too it's cute So when Lou and Howard Showed up at Freeman's office Freeman ignored anything That little Howard had to say And even ignored the fact that most of his behavior Was normal

He instead opted to listen solely To the evil stepmother because her narrative Was easily shaped into Childhood Schizophrenia And we do have to clarify a lot of stepmothers Are amazing the majority of stepmothers out there Happy Mother's Day Because you two are a mother

You two are a mother Stop having sex with the kids I know that they're legal I know that they're horny They don't know how to masturbate They're in school For some kind of made up thing Stop blowing your step kids

Also Pornhub has got to get better Because I don't want to have to do all this I don't want to have to yell at you Pornhub Pornhub is very bad right now We have to boycott Pornhub Because they need to figure out Their child pornography bullshit If there was only another outlet

To find porn I don't know where it could find it Where is it? As far as the other family members went Howard's father later claimed That Freeman and his wife Lou Have manipulated him into believing The procedure was safe and normal

And he also said This is probably more the truth Lou told him that either the boy Gets a lobotomy or she gets a divorce So he said give the kid the fucking lobotomy Damn You know that she was just so lovely Can't miss out on being around her

I actually don't particularly understand This whole line of thought The one thing I can maybe speak to is that There is like he thought That like women handle the children This is like another old school like thought line And it's like well whatever she says goes Because she's on the kid department

I go to the bullet factory And I go to the war and I try not to die And that's all I do The interesting thing is the change Right in culture if fathers used to Sort of be in charge of the whole family Including the children I guess at some point Dads were just like you know

I don't care anymore Like just like you take care of it Yeah and so Howard Went in for a transorbital lobotomy At 12 years old Now because Freeman was still working With his old electroshock machine That remember had no dials and no toggle

It took four rounds of Electroshock before this 12 year old boy finally passed out So Freeman could do the ice Pick into his eyeballs He used his electroshock machine Like the prairie mother What's her name

It's prairie chef The prairie chef cooks where everything's like There's a little bit of handful of this That's all you need And it's like no man That's not how you should be Shocking the human brain It should be as casual as a pesto recipe

Well it's a great way to make An unbelievable home cooked Biscuit but yeah Well I mean Freeman was proud of this You can find pictures online Of Howard Dooley getting this Lobotomy because Freeman Was documenting the whole fucking thing

It's one of the most disturbing pictures I've ever seen It's a 12 year old boy passed out from electroshock therapy His eyes are rolled in the back of his head And all you see is an ice pick Coming from the top of the frame Going into his fucking brain Yeah And so Freeman, he shoved the ice pick

Into both sockets, did the standard wiggle And performed a lobotomy on a boy whose brain Had not even fully developed yet Geez Now as we said, Freeman was still grasping for relevance So in an attempt to regain the spotlight He gave a presentation At the Langley Porter Clinic

In San Francisco And actually brought Howard Onstage Along with other children Freeman had lobotomized Howard was by no means the only child He did a lobotomy on a 4 year old kid And in order to make it as haunting as possible

He put them all in Harlequin Outfits And they all sang in weird Eerie synchronized fashion I'd like to buy the world a Coke And when he had a skeleton man Come out going like Do you know

How to die I wish all you How to die And they just clapped and they loved it And they be voted for Nixon for president That's great, all right, Dr. Freeman Thank you, that was such a great addition to the talent show Next up, Tiny Tim

And after Tiny Tim, we have David Ike Coming out here to tell you All about reptilians So after talking for a bit About the procedure and asking the lobotomized Children a few questions to prove That he hadn't destroyed their brains completely He opened it up to the audience

For questions, first question How old is that kid? Pointing to Howard And when Freeman said 12 The audience erupted An outrage They're saying boo, it's like it's the standard No, they're staying boo urns

They fucking love us All right, so this is actually the only Redeeming part of the story where people Rightfully were pissed Yeah, and it seems like Freeman was Prepared for this reaction Because Freeman, ever the showman Had brought along a prop

As soon as the audience turned on him Freeman dumped a box Of Christmas cards from Grateful patients on the stage He then yelled, and this is a true quote These are from my patients How many Christmas cards do you Get from your patients?

You're basing your entire practice And its relevancy on Christmas cards? They also were all made Like infantile, feeble People that were forced To write Christmas cards To the doctor I don't think a lot of them chose to even write them

Now this naturally Didn't turn the crowd, and Freeman was booed Offstage, and I think That was his last public appearance What is his miracle on 34th street? I think it's the same defense that they used For Santa Claus Then in order to

Further justify his decision To lobotomize Howard Dooley Freeman added a note to Howard's File post lobotomy That said Howard was suspected Of beating his baby brother nearly To death, breaking ribs And caving in the baby's chest

Now this did happen, but Howard Had nothing to do with it It had been an accident, a neighborhood boy Had been playing a little too rough And Howard was nowhere near it But Freeman thought if I write this down afterwards Then this will be justified What a piece of shit

Amazingly though Howard Dooley, after many hard years In and out of institutions And a brief dalliance with cocaine in the 80s He ended up living a pretty good life And even wrote a book About his experience called My Lobotomy

Of course that road was highly difficult And filled with all sorts of awful shit You'll have to read his book to discover There's a lot of bad shit His life was a series of calamities And fucking just bad luck But still he made it And the reason why

Comes with a fair amount of irony See Walter Freeman Had done this unnecessary procedure While Howard's brain was still Developing A human brain doesn't fully develop I think until you're in your late teens early 20s I'm pretty sure it's 72 years old

And then it immediately starts to collapse Right after And because the brain was putting itself together It essentially adapted To the ice pick wounds And found new ways To stitch itself up The reason why this is ironic

Is because this is exactly what Egas Moniz theorized the brain Would do back when he originated the lobotomy Except an adult brain Is not capable of Regeneration Because his theory could not have been more wrong So he was still wrong

So he was wrong and wrong again But he was wrong In a way that could have been right If he was right But still wrong Instead while Freeman's lobotomy On Dooley would have incapacitated An adult

MRI scans done in 2005 Showed that all this Almost teenage lobotomy dead Was make life harder Or Dooley Good Lord We don't have to worry about it now Because the medical world

And the world of private health insurance Has fixed so much stuff They were doing really good I think it's great that a lot of coverage A lot of private insurance companies Aren't covering COVID-19 I think people should earn that fact I think they should go work at a factory

At a doctor factory Where they're making lab coats and masks That's the only fair way to do it It's great, you know, I've been spending five days On the phone arguing with an insurance company To give me a medication That my psychiatrist says is necessary For me to live a normal healthy life

And I couldn't be happier about it Well Marcus, I think you need a lobotomy That'll cure it all Of course the medication That is a horrible situation We're going to talk about that on Ablegance Toppat When it comes to the medication They're charging about 700 bucks a pill

That's what it's going to be going for My new medication costs out of pocket $1200 a month In my insurance Doesn't pay And I'm having to argue with my insurance To tell them that it's necessary More lobotomies, more lobotomies

That's the answer Oh my god Well I was going to I was going to try to find other things To talk about because I was really interested In the idea of other people hiding their children And the one fun one I found Oh you found a fun one

There was one fun one But it's not that fun It's called The Monster of Glombs It's by Mike Dash for Smithsonian Magazine And it's A fascinating story about A family line in Scotland That

The Earl's ancestral seat At the Glombs Castle This place, the Earl of Strathmore Where they had A room That they apparently had hid The air To the family line

That had become like a half toad Half man creature And it became this sort of ghost story For many many years And subsequent generations Of each following family member That would become the Earl of Strathmore Would try to find out if it was true or not

Because a lot of castles at the time Had secret rooms specifically for Act, essentially panic rooms And so it was not uncommon for people to have These sort of like secret areas Where they can go and hide and they would not tell anybody Where they were, they were normally family secrets And they said that they had

Buried essentially This one Air that was too Reprehensible to look upon Which is now if you think upon it, it's actually very sad This is a side quest in Witcher 3 Oh no kids The Glombs Castle

This is exactly a side quest In Witcher 3, oh that's fun It's really fun It's an interesting story, but again deeply sad It is, if you can't Have a half toad, half Man king in the castle glom Then what can you have

That's what I'm saying, and I want a half I'll worship the half toad king I am the half toad king I probably would be considered a half toad king Because I got fucking bow legs That's what Jackie told me recently I got fucking bow legs and the only thing I could fucking think about She put another complex in my mind

You need a lobotomy And then the other I'm just going to give you this resource Just because like it's going to be a bummer Of a July 4th weekend, so why not just really Fucking bury yourself in the worst shit you've ever read It's called hsinvisiblechildren.org And it's called homeschooling's invisible children

And it is all about the horrors Of homeschooling And not that it's not always horrible No, but it seems that sometimes it is I was homeschooled for two years We had a great time, I would go to Pigley Wigley With my mother, we never went to school I didn't learn anything, maybe it's any better

You almost didn't learn to read I know, I knew how to read, I picked that up very very quickly Reading was never a problem It was more of the math It was the math that was the problem Yeah, and that's why you're not An engineer right now No, definitely not

But yeah, that's the stuff I was looking at too But the monster of gloms is really It's a very interesting, that was what I was looking For more of, it's like gothic stories And there's just not a lot of them Because that story That concept has come up quite a bit In fiction, but this is the one

That was like everyone's kind of saying was Real, and there's a couple details Into it, maybe I'll cover it on side stories A little bit more A little bit more detail, or maybe last podcast In the Left Proper can do something along the lines Of gothic literature made real Ooh, I like that idea

Season 12 Alright everyone, there it is A bit of an extension on our lobotomy conversation Absolutely fascinating I'm very happy they aren't happening anymore If you know that they aren't happening anywhere Just go shut that right down They are

They are great, good to know For very very extreme cases I also had a lot of people reach out to me About that have been using ECT Nowadays That has helped them quite a bit They have gotten very refined In terms of how they use it

It's still weird that they don't know how it works No, I have actually Talked to my psychiatrist recently about Us making the joke about How my medication might stop at any time He's like, oh yeah, we're in the middle ages When it comes to understanding the brain We're out of the dark ages, but we're definitely in the middle ages

We have no idea Please stop telling me these things Just tell me that things are covered I just need you to fucking lie to me right now Absolutely Well, we hope you enjoy your July 4th weekend To the best of your abilities Get some sparklers and

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