Last Podcast On The Left - Side Stories: Beyond Contact w/ Captain Ron Janix

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Henry & Eddie bring you this week's biggest stories and true crime news in this super-sized Side Stories - Pope Watch 2025 comes to an abrupt end as the world reacts to the death of Pope Francis, a Florida woman poses as ICE agent to kidnap her ex's wife, a Phoenix man loses an eye in viscious attack over a "Hey - How ya' doin?", and while we patiently await the verdict of Lori Vallow's most recent trial, the boys are joined by Captain Ron Janix (Host of Coast To Coast's "Beyond Contact" Podcast) to discuss the evolution of the Contact in the Desert Conference, UFO Life, and a little preview of whats to come at Contact in the Desert this year... For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

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News has finally happened and time for side stories to talk about it. I know! It has finally happened. We've been waiting for something like this for years. It has never happened. The Pope always gets better. Yeah. He loves getting better. He always goes dipping down and then pulling up the nose, make everybody get all excited, starting up the conclave, sending out the invites. This Pope died like

five times. He's been dead. That's the other thing. He's been dead for six months. At least they said irreversible heart failure is how he died. I actually, I'd heard. I saw a stroke. Yeah, well, he was stroking. Woo! Oh, stroking to the east, stroking to the west,

stroking to the boy that I love best. He is stroking. Pope Francis is dead. Hey, how you doing? Welcome to Side Stories. My name is Henry Zabrowski. I'm sitting here with Ed Larson. How you doing? I want to be the first Stoken to the Atheists Stoken to the Atheists

to bless the Pope after he's dead. You know, a lot of people immediately And the name of the dad and the boy and the enchanted something. Apparation. Yep. I want to say a lot of people said Henry Zabrowski is going to come out hard with the, you know, the Pope harboring molesters joke about how he's, you know, how he's, you know,

him and Whoopi Goldberg, I think had an affair together. There's a lot of people, him, he was coming for that Ted Danson ex-wife material. Oh, yeah. I think that there's a lot of people that were expecting me to say stuff like that, but I want to say, Papu Jorge, me so sorry you dead. Yeah, yeah man. Papu Jorge, I'm so sorry that the last thing that you had to see was JD Vance's fat face, but everybody else was also saying the same thing.

We've all seen the millions of jokes about JD Vance killing the Pope. He was probably already dead. Oh, we're saying- Just sitting there. I think that the Pope's been dead for two months. I think so. I think they knew that they had a drag. How did he get fatter?

I don't know. And, you know, whatever it is, apparently when you, yeah, when you gain cancer, it's not like, it's like, you get warts. But he didn't have cancer. He had a lot of stuff. He probably had everything. He had every single thing that you get half. He had it all in one go JD Vance a beg to see him

He sent his goon but Papa who or hey went and sent his goon at him to Tell him, you know, you're not a real Christian JD Vance went maybe then they went and then he got to see him on his last Breaths, but I still think that he was dead and he got to see him on his last breaths. But I still think that he was dead. He saw Papu Jorge sitting there. Papu Jorge, they screwed his little hat on. They got the threads on on there. They made sure he had his arms attached

because they fell off about three weeks ago. And so you know they have the strings. And he's like, er, er, er. All popes are puppets, we know that. It's so nice to meet you. So nice to meet you, welcome to Le the Vatican. Have you ever been to Italy? You know, JD Vance is like wondering why he's not answering. He's like, this motherfucker's stonewalling me.

Or he's like, wow, quiet contemplation. Just watching the corpse of him rot in front of him. We also, we're looking at his... Since when do we let vice presidents meet the pope, by the way? Since all the rules are gone, Eddie. Vice presidents... Vice presidents don't get to meet the fucking pope. Vice presidents need to be pretty and shut the fuck up. That's right.

That's all I want to see. I want you to sit in your little fucking box. I want you to go... I want you to do something dumb like teach people to read or something. That's what vice presidents are supposed to do. They're not supposed to... He's too busy. And you know what?

He looks like shit and eventually, you know, they think that you had anything to do with this JD Vance, the Vatican is going to disappear you. Oh my God. And I hope, I just hope that he said one wrong thing in that room, but. Oh, I can guarantee it.

It probably did something like, oh man, whoa, hey. Nice dress. Done. Done. But we were looking at pictures of Papu Horhey in his casket. And if you look at it, you can tell, I guess, they sort of don't embalm them. I don't quite know how.

I'm going to get a close up of this. I don't know how it all works. I need to see it at large for me to know. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I want to see it big. I want to get in there. Can I take a VR tour of the Pope's casket? Man, what about the guy behind him dressed like a jester? That is the Swiss guard. That's the Swiss guard. Yes. That is a part of the Vatican guard. That's the elite guard that their jobs are to protect that hat. Maybe a different fucking outfit would help them be better fighters. No, that's how you know they're not for good for fighting.

I will say don't fuck with the Swiss Guard. I've made comments about the Swiss Guard before and apparently they will fuck you up. Really? Apparently, yeah, they are very highly trained. That's his private army. Do they put holes in people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Four of them.

Like the cheese. Yeah, string them up Jesus Mike. But the Papu is here melting you could see him this casket He's slowly melting which shows that funerals not till Saturday. Yeah, I know already looks awful They're gonna have to pop them on ice. They're gonna do something right? I think they do they put them they put them in the fridge Yeah, they have to yeah, I mean, you know, you got to have all the spread going. It's not like it's cold in Italy What's nice? It's nice. Well, that's France. The stole my Joe. Yeah, but you deserve it. And I love how they had to like, they're

like, okay, he's a five eight, but we need a, we need a six foot five casket for the hat. Yeah. So, you know, we're going to have to bury him with that with that It's actually uh, it seems he died with it still on this melting into his forehead That's because he has a dildo on top of his head. Yeah, I did hide the hat hides the dildo I wonder like so now we're gonna go through the conclave side stories Lpotl at gml.com I'd love to know what we know about what they do to the Pope's corpse. Because I know what we did, we were talking about with Gurney right before the show. They have a whole thing, obviously it's a whole very regimented.

What do they do with his eyes? They do a regimented breakdown. Jerry Orbach didn't get to ask, so we don't get to, Pope doesn't get to ask either. But they go through a whole procedure. And I know one of them is they take a little hammer and they knock them on the head Three times this is silver hammer. Yes, and they knock him on the head three times and then they go Jorge and they say his real name and I guess that transmutes him back to human or if you like like if possible wake up

Because what happens they seal the apartments yes, you never know what happens in there mm-hmm I would if I were do I'd go like I go up to the lips and go But yeah, everyone's expecting us to talk about how like a lot of you gave me pushback because he's He was the nice pope. He's the best pope we've had. What does that even mean? But I do... He's better than the other fucks. He's fine. What's hard is that I don't mind...

The next one's gonna suck. He has used homophobic slurs in the past. But he's also stuck up for gay people. Sort of. The thing is that... He said they're allowed to be humans. Kinda. He's like, it's still one of those where I do think that,

I know that everyone's saying like, at least he's trying, but you know what I'd love? Someone that didn't just try. You'd just be executed. Do it. Be the pope. This is my thing. Aren't you like the fucking infallible head of the church?

I know you have all these people you have to convince and all this kind of shit But when it comes down to it He could literally come out and be like not only are gay people great But I jerk off to gay porn every day like if you really wanted to change shit He would actually change shit instead of kind of hinting and kind of half changing shit and before everybody tells me Oh the politics and blah blah blah It's like yeah, I get it. I don't give a fuck Yeah

If he's chosen by God then he should be able to do whatever the fuck it is he wants also the Catholics You know they could use a little refresh a little little sprucing up Somebody needs to do something with like like a set of huevos Yeah, someone's got to actually actually do something and now we have the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever if anybody has seen Conclave and they know how conclave ends. Yes, and I think that could be really really fun This is a good way for someone to sneak in there. Yeah, oh So Pope Francis here. I love this he says he sneaks in views on sex and masturbation as he kisses feet of prisoners lucky pope Really? What does he say on the whole on Holy Thursday suck on these feet?

Hey, I know I'm supposed to kiss him, but I could suck on him if you want I'm in I'm in prison for child molestation you go ahead and suck my feet, but is it okay that I'm like super old Yep, you mind that I'm old honestly That to me is the grossest part of this, but yeah, please, start sucking. And so he says that he's saying no to masturbation, right? He says, God is the, he said sex is one of the most beautiful things that God has given to the human person,

even though he's never even seen. He doesn't know! He has no idea. He doesn't know about sex. He doesn't even know, does he know what queefing is? But while in the favor of sex, masturbation, he still says is a big no-no. Masturbation's a no-no?

No-no. You know what's a big no-no? Having sex with children. That's a big old fat no-no. A lot of those guys, it's a bit of a yes-yes. They are very, very, they're super into it. Criminally so. So now we are mourning the passing of ill Papu

The next ones morning as in it's you know, it's early. It's 215 Yeah, I think that the next pope is gonna suck and they have to suck Yeah, so I don't we got we went from Nazi to halfway decent sorta sorted again I still feel like it's given him He's credit. No one there's no reason to like a pope. No, it's like a president It's like a king anybody that likes anybody that is in charge by some it's the largest cult in the world So this secret group gets together and puts together They all decide what they have interpreted what God has told them to choose who the guy is to be pope and they've chose multiple Nazis

They've chose multiple war criminals. Yeah, they've chosen It's like so I don't want to fucking hear it. So now the next pope is gonna be some other guy it's probably gonna be like It's gonna be Bezos no even he I don't even know if He doesn't live in the Vatican. It's too small for him. We might have our first American pope.

I forget the guy's name. Oh, great. We might get an American in there. Oh, good. That'd be interesting. That's what we need. No, I don't think so. You know what I want?

I want some English out of the pope. Robot. Robot pope. Where's my Roomba pope? Roomba pope? Yeah, they got Roombas that can mop now. Where's my Roomba pope? Just put a hat on a Roomba Pope Roomba Pope. Yeah, they got rumors that can mock now. Where's my Roomba Pope. Yeah. You got this. Put a hat on a Roomba. Yeah. Fuck these guys. They're

all saying the same thing. They got, we might have our first, they're all, there was a talk about having a first African Pope. They didn't like how he, um, that Francis approved of a same sex couples. No, uh, they are going to choose somebody that's very bad. Do you I like about Francis's death why I think that he did that I find to be kind of cool is He said that but there's always a private viewing for all the Cardinals. Yes, it was like fuck that shit. They don't get that I Think it's I take anything away change anything is all I'm saying. How about change something that matters? You know you start small, you You know I guess it's my question It's like I guess where everyone wants me to give him credit I guess it's just shit's fun. Yeah fuck all of these people cardinal

Mateo Zappi every single time I'd see one of their little tiny hats I get angry. I hate the Cardinals tiny hats Yeah, what's the thing? Why do they have all of origami hats? I'm so they have like a class and they all made their hats together You know they have to wear it? You work at In-N-Out or is that just what you do with your kids? Yeah. Fucking disgusting piece of shit. I like that.

That's nice. That's good. Took me two seconds but that was fun. Legitimately I do, I am trying to dial back the molestation jokes because that's our act on the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I don't want to spoil those bits. It's just this idea of the, I don't care that the pope is dead, I'm glad that he's

dead, but unfortunately it just opens it up to another. Do you not care or are you glad? No, I just don't. There's one or the other. I'm mad that there's going to have to be a new choice. You know what this is again? This is another British wedding. This is another royal wedding fucking garbage.

This is another oh wedding fucking garbage this is another oh the Queen's dead I'm gonna have to watch five hours of fucking dragging her wrinkly ass across fucking the bridge yeah go dump her in the river or whatever they did it was fun to go to look at the dead Queen for so long is another thing that the whole world has to stop and give a shit about that I'm sick of you know I'm sick of these you know, I'm sick of these things. You know, I want to, I want to talk about what, how we helped Ryan Coogler sinners do very well on the box office. That's the difference. That's original horror movie. Big budget. Yeah. That's fucking cash, dude. That's the fucking news. This is a great year for between

this and the substance and knows for all two. This is a great year between this and The Substance and Nosferatu. This is a fucking big year for horror movies coming back to the mainstream where they fucking belong. I am also going to confess that I am buying time in this recording. Waiting with the Verd verdict watch open for the Lori Vallow trial on my YouTube. I wonder what Mr. Kugler thinks about that. Let me ask him.

Probably. Rob, call Kugler. Call him on the phone. Get them. Pull up the Kugler phone. Call up the Kugler phone. But no, I've been sitting here because of what I was also hoping for in another first for Side Stories, that that verdict would come in on time. been sitting here because of what I was also hoping for in another first for side stories

that that that verdict would come in on time. We still we have a couple minutes left. You never know what's going to happen. Rob's watching. I don't know for a week. I think there's one fucking asshole in there being an asshole. I actually don't know if he can go that long. I think it really can only be like the fact that it's taking longer than 15 minutes to decide that she's guilty is one of the biggest travesties I have ever seen. Do they have the death penalty in Arizona? Could she get the death penalty?

She is not there. She's not up for death penalty because this is just like a conspiracy trial. Oh, okay. So this is just saying that she's like involved. She orchestrated the conspiracy. You know, I can see how you can convince maybe some of the less bright members of the jury pool that there is a reasonable doubt, right? Because the main issue is that the prosecutor put out

all of this circumstantial evidence, which is the text. But the texts tell the entire story of a person going ahead and planning. She was the mastermind. She was the one pulling all the elements together. She was the one that told Alex to get the gun. She was the one that made sure that her other bestie pulled her brother out of the scenario scenarios that Charles Valla would make sure that he would show up Alone to the house. Yeah, she was the one that told Tylee to fake coming out with the baseball bat No, but you can it's insinuated and the problem is that how

It just depends on how difficult a jury wants to be. Yeah. Because they also... They don't know that she killed her kids. Ostensibly they don't know. We think that... Do you think at the end of this they're going to be like, what? She killed those fucking kids? I think so, yes. I would have changed my goddamn vote.

Exactly. Which is the reason why they didn't want it in there. It's because they're trying to figure out if you can... But this is one of those really hard lines because there was no person Seeing a meeting of them together Orchestrating the plan. Yeah, there was no there's nobody from within the plan to testify kids. Guess what? They're dead. Everybody's dead It's yeah, even and no one's asking about that. No one's asking where's tylee? Why didn't she talk where and they know alex is dead, but they're like, where's everybody else?

Where's Chad Daybell's wife? Where's Daybell in general? Chad Daybell, they are, Chad Daybell, the prosecutor specifically carved out because they did not, number one, he's not going to come. It's his right to plead the fifth because he's married to Lori Vallow, like because he was still legally married to her. So it's his right to not testify. No lawyer of his would tell him to go testify because he's trying to fight his death penalty. Oh, he's getting shot in the head. We all know that.

Oh, can't wait. Oh man, let me do it. And then the next ones are the but that's kind of the issue now is that any one of those pieces of information if Lori Vallow were to bring up would allow the prosecutor to open up the story and bring in the story of her killing her kids, which is what Lori Vallow kept trying to fight. And then as you can see, the reason why she did not end up testifying on the stand and the reason why she didn't end up testifying, which is I did find an interesting statistic is that 90% of defense trials that don't include the defendant testifying on their behalf, they end up losing the case. Wow.

So it's the fact that she didn't testify says a lot to the jury. And because the reason why she didn't testify is because she didn't want to be under control of having to answer questions from the prosecutor Because she asked herself questions if she no she would probably she would do one or the other It's actually I had to look this up It's either she would have a set of written questions that would be asked by her. She has an assisting Lawyer, she has somebody that's kind of helping her get through a lot of the processes there Because she doesn't have a law degree and she's a fucking moron homicidal maniac

And so she did a good job though. She did not I mean, they're still deliberating the only reason why they're Two and a half hours today. They're just doing it because they are a pain in the butt They are doing it because it's pain in the butt. They legitimately She did such a horrendous job of Doing what she was needing to do. It just really depends on, and I mean this as nicely as possible, how dumb the jury is.

Man, I'll tell you what, though. But then how dumb or how difficult the jury wants to be. If I can give you a little brighter side to this, if she does get off, first of all, she's in prison for the rest of her life no matter what, so it doesn't even matter. But if she does get off, I think it'll influence a lot more idiots to defend themselves. Always.

And then, but, then they'll end up losing. Well, I mean, there is just no way she's gonna win. There's just no way, but we'll find out, yeah. I mean, the answer should be in by now. Well, no, not necessarily. Right now it's at two and a half hours. Right now it's two and a half hours. They said that she got the in Idaho

She got seven hours to talk them to decide that she was guilty in Idaho I also was a much longer trial as much represent herself in that no and it was much thicker trial Yeah, but this one it's just I don't understand It's obviously it's a it's slightly less of a sentence to and but I do think that once they find out that of a sentence to. But I do think that once they find out that after the fact that she's murdered her children, they're going to be pretty upset if they let her go on this one. Oh my God. I mean, we still don't know where that is.

We just don't know where it is. And Lori Vallow, so the answer is she can have answers, she can have questions that her assisting attorney can answer to her. And then there's other things that you can do. Sometimes they allow you to testify to a narrative where they allow you to just extemporaneously talk Where you can just monologue at the at the at the art that the jury she can't of us almost said audience Yes, it is fucking perform. But that's all

But then but the problem again is that then she would be open to cross-examination And the last thing that she wanted was to be spoken to by another woman, which is the saddest thing. I think in the end she just hates, she definitely hates this prosecuting attorney. Nothing would make me happier than watching this prosecuting attorney nail her to a fucking wall. But it's just, it's not gonna happen the poll on law and crime network 28,000 votes guilty by 94% not guilty 2% hung jury 4% It's because the audience knows she kills her kids. Yes, the audience knows she's already a convicted murderer

Yeah, but the jury has to know that she is a prisoner So they know she's a prisoner already but they don't know what of yeah they don't know what for they technically yeah I mean you know that she's let in every day in handcuffs and taking them off she knows she's wearing a body shock vest oh really oh yeah just in case she was just nicely though yes because that is her right because she's in trial the goal in trial, the goal is that, that's one of those things they talk about is about how it might influence the jury to see you in prison wear. Yeah.

No, for sure. Because on her, looks great. She fucking deserves every fucking minute of it. So what happens if she's not guilty? Just like there's this gaflaw justice system and that's it? No, it's like technically the justice system does what it does Yeah, so it's up to the jury. It is up to the jury You can't do anything about

The issues of humankind not understanding open back up and they start looking for Charles Vallow's murderer. No, they don't know No, no cuz Alex killed him Essentially Alex is the murderer. Yeah, but Alex isn't there because Alex Alex is dead which they also did not talk about how he died Oh, you know that they said that she died he died by natural causes, which is still true pink juice out the out the lungs Yes, that's still true, but doesn't necessarily mean that it was natural mm-hmm because I still think it's very possible that he Suicide or something yeah, did he get an autopsy? I don't remember I Think it worked as that no because that time they thought it was all that I think that they they were so certain

That that was natural causes with brain aneurysm brain pulmonary aneurysm or something like that Which is the same thing that I guess that Tammy Daybell had even though they opened that one up interesting So Alex probably was murdered as well, but there's no way to know for sure. No way, no way. Especially if he died the same way as Tammy. At least, sounds like it. Yeah.

But you know, so this is gonna play out, but she, I just, I cannot imagine she's not gonna be. What was Tammy's official cause of death again? I think again, it was considered suspicious. At first it was considered pulmonary embolism Mm-hmm, and then it was suspicious and then daybell Chad got got got for it got got for it Yes, so Chad the Abells already gone all the way now. They're saying that yes, she was Exfixiated oh

So she was that's what they tried to say oh, that's right because they dug her up And they found the marks on her and all that shit. Oh, yeah, that's right The bone broken in her throat that's right. That's right. That's right because they dug her up and they found the marks on her and all that shit. Oh yeah. That's right. The bone broken in her throat. That's right. That's right. That's right. It's almost like we did a whole thing about this.

It's almost like we did a month on this. All right. So this is some future news that I just, I can't even believe this story. It's just wild. This is like what the, this is like what we can expect for shit like this to start happening. Woman posing as ice agent, kidnaps ex's wife. Yeah, this is like, this is a full on, like she had a costume and a character, the whole thing. All right. With detentions by immigration and customs enforcement agents in the headlines, a woman in Florida decided to Don an ice shirt and

kidnap might've been icy. It might've been a, like, a kidnap her ex boyfriend's wife, La Trance battle 52 showed off the shirt and held a handheld radio when she showed up at a hotel chain where the woman worked on April 10th, according to Bay County Sheriff's office. She also allegedly presented a business card indicating that she worked for the sheriff's office and told the employee she was there to pick her up too easy. Yes. In the, in the victim, in the process of becoming a legal us resident got into the vehicle with battle, believing her to be a real ice agent. So she's just terrified. And

she gets in there once in the vehicle, the woman tried to call her husband and lawyer, but battle forcefully snatched the phone from her hand. Deputies wrote in the arrest affidavit, they added the victim became suspicious after battle drove past the Sheriff's Office and made comments indicating the woman would have to suffer the Consequences of her husband's action. Oh shit, dude. No fucking that's bad. This is like ladies get angry Yeah, dude. This is fucking wild. You know what I'll say? I really appreciate that a woman's doing this. Yeah. I'm not a man and it's costumes. Yeah. Like theater, you know, most dudes are the ones that go this far. Yeah. It's nice to see lady really

go for it. True jealousy. Most of the time you just got to get a nice good new hair color. Yeah. You feel better. She took her to an apartment complex where she, and then she was able to contact a resident there Who was who called for help so not a red roof in so she was someone saw that You know she was in trouble and they called the police for her. So that's nice Oh, yes, when the woman was able to speak to her husband again He told her the apparent ice agent sounded a lot like his ex a woman He said attacked him at his job two years earlier. So that's her move. She up at your job and fucks with me. Yes. I mean, that's the fuck

That's where everybody's super vulnerable. You remember back in the day in high school. Did you ever play? Mafia no, did you ever do that? I know what it is when you would give one you when people would have like you'd get a hit and then you had to hit Somebody like we should do this in high school where it's like, you know Like certain places were safe zones, but everybody was playing had a water pistol and you could whack somebody Yeah, like do a thing and then when you whack somebody they give you who they were supposed to whack And you go do it again and again. Oh, that's kind of fun. But if work was supposed to be off limits Yeah, that's what this lady doesn't get. She doesn't know the rules of mafia. She just knows the rules of ice Yeah, show up to our schools. Apparently. apparently. That's what they like. Um when the

Then she was fleeing to Alabama She got caught and she was charged with kidnapping in Commission in Commission of a felony robbery by sudden snatching impersonating a law officer and The Commission of a felony and felony violation of probation. So she's fucked. Wow. That's just like... I mean, that's a long way to go to get revenge. You really don't need to do all that much for that much revenge.

What was her plan, though? I just think... Was she gonna try and deport this woman? I think that she was gonna try to... To be honest, I think that she was rolling for as long as she could with just kind of improvising, saying yes and to herself. Yeah. And then I think that she was rolling for as fat as long as she could with just kind of improvise improvising saying yes and or so Yeah, and then I think eventually

She realized like oh, this isn't gonna play out unless I kill this one Yeah, I think it's good if you're gonna commit a crime. I think it's good to have a goal. It's like writing a book It's like writing a book step with Stephen King said Stephen King said the key to writing a book is knowing the ending. He's like everything else you'll figure out. But if you know the beginning and the ending, you could do a lot to get from A to Z. And so that's the main thing. For anybody looking to a long con, that, think of the ending in mind, and also two, take the complications out of it. You can just grab the woman coming out of work

and putting her in the back of your car, you know what I mean? You don't need to get a costume, you don't need licenses or any of that stuff. You can't just whack her in the back of the head when she's coming out of a bathroom. So I would say also, that's not advice. No, as much as it's just, you know,

what are you doing here, lady? Just think about it, if you're gonna do a crime, as much as it's just, you know, what are you doing here, lady? Just think about it. If you're gonna do a crime, just understand that it's gonna keep going. It's gonna keep going. And I have one other story I wanna do. Oh, please. Arizona's not a friendly place.

And nothing really says that quite like this story. They're about to let Lori Vallow off. I mean, I know. So friendly, so loud. How friendly? Any updates, Rob? Nope, not know. So friendly. So loud. Any updates, Rob? Nope, not yet. No, he's fucking...

He's still deliberating, these fucking assholes. Slow ass pieces of fucking shit. Fucking idiots. So here we go. So we're in Arizona. A guy by the name of Daniel Lanks. This is in Phoenix. Now, I can't realize that this is just aggravated assault.

Facing felon, this guy, he's facing felony aggravated assault. He had an unprovoked attack. Cop said, so people came up to him, a guy came up to him, and he said, hey, how you doing? And then Daniel Lanks pulled his eyeball out. Yeah. Yeah. The victim said it-

And then beat the shit out of him after that. Oh yes, because once you pull the eyeball out, the guy's pretty surprised. The victim stated that during this incident, he was in fear for his life and safety, believing that Daniel could have killed him. Absolutely, he popped your eyeball out. Also popping an eyeball out is not that hard. Yeah, no, that's what I hear.

Just gonna get the thumb in there. Or you just hit the side really hard. The key, I want it just like, ehh, ehh. That's what my dad always said, go for fucking eyes and balls yeah oh yeah That's very nice of him use the place and my buddy's dad taught me how to fight and he When i got my car he gave me a cue ball and i said and then he was like i was like what do you what i do with This he's like oh you keep it in your trunk in case anyone tries to run from you oh wow good yeah you know me Always hunting people down to the ends of the earth

Yes, she said he just went up to me just like cuz what crime where is there a crime Daniel? Lanks 39 older than him. Yeah, that's like that's where I'm starting to get upset when I'm starting to see that I'm older than some of our criminals. No. Yes. Well, yes me upset. That's why I can't watch sports anymore I know I just know's why I can't watch sports anymore. I know I just watch children I can't yeah, but yeah, no, I mean this guy be fucking now you're doing and then rips his goddamn eyeball I mean he was obviously doing bad. Yeah, you doing I'm stressed, you know Lee. He just I just didn't really say how he popped it out He reached from behind him and like scooped it. But that's crazy. It is really crazy. That's a crazy way to do it.

He must have done it before. Do you think, and I don't mean that, I'm not blaming the victim at all. No. Is it any way I was loose? Oh, just a little loose. You might have had big sockets. I think your eyes are so deep in your head, they'd be really hard to get out. Super hard to get.

Yeah, and that's a challenge to you you people try to come and scoop my eyes. I dare you to try to scoop my eyes You'll never get near enough to my eyes to scoop them my eyeballs are always moving around We need some grill tongs to get him out, but after he fucking took this guy's eyeball out He fells to the ground started screaming my eye my eye my eye my eye just started Punching him in the face and broke his fucking jaw. Yes. That is a brutal fucking attack, man.

Lanks was apparently, he was near a shop at the intersection of Broadway and 48th Street. It was around 1 AM. I'm the victim, walk past him. Don't talk to anyone past midnight. Again, I'm victim blaming, but. Not victim, no, it's his advice. This isn't victim blaming.

This is just straight up advice. Well, I will say, you don't do the head nod to any kind of man. Head nod, you know, that's only, like literally, head nod is like, am I supposed to be scared of you right now? Yes, but a head nod is. A head nod is a communication.

I see you. Between men. We're acknowledging each other's presence and you just go like, I just came from up north in Oscoda, up north in Michigan, Oscoda. I just also, big shout out to the American Glory Growers. I actually got actual good weed grown by hand

from a place dead in the middle of nowhere. Amazing. Fuckin' Michigan, it was great stuff. Go check it out. But the idea that you could like, so you're talking to another man. You gotta, sometimes you gotta give somebody the head nod. I feel that that's, with men communicating to each other, it's good to do. It's good to leave these things up.

Do you think he was whistling? Hey, how you doing? Hey, how you doing? But you don't, the key is yes, never verbal. Because it does seem to enter into a thing. So he said, hey, how you doing? Langston said, I'm gonna whoop your ass. Which is not a proper response.

No, it's rude. He said, Daniel told detectives to shut the fuck up. He did not understand his rights. And yes, he said, how you doing? And then he turned around here and he pop the eyeball out of him And he has an eye tattoo. Maybe that's what he was jealous of. Yeah, I should have got that tattoo New York Yankees, what is that? No, it looks like it's flowers. I think it looks yeah, it looks like What's the the it's like a dandelion plant. Oh, weird. Or is it like a cactus?

Oh. Oh, I wonder if that's his spirit animal. I think he covered up a teardrop. Oh, I think he covered up a teardrop. But that doesn't make sense though. Why would you cover up the teardrop? Isn't the teardrop supposed to let everybody know you killed somebody in prison?

Yeah. Isn't that what a teardrop is? I got a teardrop tattooed next to my brown eye for all the dookies. I've slain The poor the poor tattoo He was able to model it after his own teardrop whoa cuz he was crying So what that song's about? Yeah, I'll never drop. That was actually one of the first Motown hits.

Oh really? We learned that it was written by what's his name is written by Barry Gordy. Man, what a great time at the Motown Museum. Yeah, we went to the museum. We had a great weekend in Detroit. It's wonderful. Yeah, we had a fucking awesome time. What was that? Put hot Sam's hot Sam's. I told you all about. Detroit's wonderful. Yeah, we had a fucking awesome time. Oh my God, what was that put? Hot Sam's?

Hot Sam's, I told you all about Hot Sam's. Dude, Henry and I are looking sharp. Not right now, but like, you know, when we want to dress up again, we have some, we bought some really nice clothes. I love Hot Sam's. That was a very cool place. Yeah, that place is nice.

Go to Hot Sam's if you're in Detroit. Go check it out. Go check it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was one other thing I wanted to remind people of. Go check out the foreign report Oh, yeah own YouTube channel. So this is the thing we're trying to do here at lost podcast network Which is we're trying to give some of our shows that are not as similar to last podcast and the others a more of a chance

To thrive in the internet space. So that is requiring us to put them under own little channels Please go and subscribe to the Foreign Report on YouTube. I'll go do that right now. Good. Sina Ghaznavi is the smartest person I know. He is very smart. Well, him and Marcus, but that's no offense, to either one of you, but they're smarter.

That's not my job. That's not my job. Travis is great on there too. Travis is great. Travis is great everywhere. Travis is great everywhere, but I love the forum report because it really does show every side of the news. It really does.

I really appreciate it. They're actually an educated, level-headed response to global news and it is extremely, it's great. With no agenda. None. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. They hate everyone equally.

Well, the best part is that when you get everybody angry, that's how you know you're right. When everybody's angry, that's how you know you're correct. So now we have a special guest who's going to join us here in the last podcast in the Left Studios. A man, an intrepid leader in the UFO space, Captain Ron Janix, of Contact in the Desert. He's gonna be here. We're gonna be jawing with him a little bit. That's right, yeah, because we're gonna promo

and talk about our eventual, like, multiple shows we're doing in Contact in the Desert. Multiple shows. And Ron's been doing it every year, right? Yeah, for a dozen years. So we're gonna find out all about the backstage shenanigans of Contact and why you should come out and see it, because it's gonna be hilarious. It's gonna be amazing, and we're gonna find out all about the backstage shenanigans of Contact and why you should come out and see it because it's gonna be hilarious It's gonna be amazing and we're gonna be out there from I believe May 30th to June 2nd

Yeah, I think is the correct correct dates. Yeah. Yeah No, it's gonna be we got our whole comedy show and then we have a last podcast proper show Yep, it's gonna be a black where we're gonna interview and we're gonna have a good time We're better. We fucking better. Yeah, man. I love this shit. I like contacting the desert is such a like crazy fun experience I love it. It was last year when we did it. It was like with the time where I was like, oh my god This is like I'm I'm involved in something crazy. Oh, yes There we go. Now we will hear from Captain Ron So here we go now we will hear from captain Ron All right, ladies and gentlemen, we promised you this we have captain Ron Jennings from contact in the desert now This man has experienced too much truth

At once now you've been doing contact in the desert for how long? This is our third year, but this is your third year right of the entire time like for owning it Yes, I've been involved in it since like 2015 16 I was like a host and I got to know the old owners and I would host and Participate and so I've been going there. It's been my favorite week of the year for about 10 years Is there anything else that you do you a burning man guy? I've never done burning man now. I did do you know contact in the desert used to be like burning man It was literally physically in the desert

It was at Joshua Tree State Park cool literally and you'd walk from like little hut to little hut to see the different speakers It was 120 degrees outside In the desert you're literally walking over Cactus literally and Joshua trees, but was that like do you have the same crew there then like cuz like now you have George Nare and George Knapp like you now you're having like the luminaries of a nap out there. Yeah, no Nori and those guys have been going the whole time they went out to the desert. Absolutely Naps legit though. Look jet naps hardcore. Oh, I know. I've seen the documentaries. You know, he's a man. Nap's one of my favorite guys in the whole field for sure.

He's very cool. He's a genuine investigator. We might get invited to his home. Great. We're trying to force it. He's in Vegas. Have you ever been? Not to his house, but I've seen him in Vegas. He's great.

Have you ever done a thing? I'm just going to just straight up. I've done a thing before. Have you ever done a thing? Never. Never? He hates. He thinks. I'm a novice. First of all, thing before. Have you ever done a thing? Never. Never? He hates, he thinks. I'm a novice. First of all, I want to get that out of there.

I'm not an expert in this field. I'm very much a student and I'm having a great time learning. Contact in the desert really taught me a lot and opened up my eyes last year. You can digest a lot in those five days. That's how it was for me. I mean, when I first went to that, I saw a flyer once and all these names were on it like Van Danigan Oh, yeah, those guys like I gotta go see this and then it was just like so much thrown at me at once You can really ramp up your knowledge quickly in five days

Did you did you always were you always into UFOs like what got you to all to all this? Yeah, I never had an experience. I'm not an experience or anything like that that But I've always had a curiosity to that I always like things that are unknown I like those shows in search of anything that's like that. I liked our bell if you guys remember our bell He's my patron saint there you go That stuff and I kind of fell into a buddy of mine had a podcast about UFOs He's like you're really into this why don't you come on? And then we did truth be told together for years and years and years. So I just, and you know, the more you do it,

every time you interview somebody, you learn that much more. Maybe you read their book before they come on, or you read stuff about them, you watch their lectures, and you just, grows, grows, grows, grows. Were you a stand-up, did you do comedy? Because you're very funny, did you do stuff like that? Like, what were you doing that got you to decide

that you wanted to talk about it? because a lot of guys get into the material, but they're not a Microphone or camera ready, you know, it's just one of those things. I was a personal assistant for 20 years You know working for like celebrities in Hollywood. I never really was in front of the camera any of that I never used to harboring secrets Behind the scenes guy, absolutely, you know,boring secrets behind the scenes guy. Absolutely. You know, I was always behind the scenes, but it doesn't bother me. I'm, I'm, I'm open to either role. You'd never guess. I saw you like running stuff last year. You were like

MCing like, Oh, it's like, Oh, there's Nick pump. Come on up here. You bring them on stage. You make them uncomfortable. Answer some questions. Love it. I love it. It was great. It was like a true like, oh, no one reminded me of Playboy After Dark. There you go. No one has ever said that about Contact when it doesn't before, that's for sure.

I'm still not ready to say it, Ron. But I will follow it up. I will. But it's like, yeah, you're just walking around, smoozing with people, you lean on a table, a table like hey Whitley. How you doing, buddy? What's going on? You know I've been doing this now for about 14 15 years. I've interviewed all these guys I've got to know some of them and become friendly with them and We almost feels like to us the contact in the desert sort of like a banquet

Yeah, for a community You know it's almost like an annual thing that we know we all go there. We all meet here What are you been working on this year? What are you been doing? You know a lot of these guys know each other some of them don't see each other till contact next year I feel like there should be a yearbook it Do you ever do like through all of this process like There's one side of you obviously you run and you're the proprietor of contact in the desert So that's one side of you on the other side of you. You've been experiencing these people at the center of ufology

Personally for 15 years. Where is it taking your beliefs? Well, I'll tell you what my whole life. I'm I am right here man. I am right in the middle I am the middle of all of this so I'm very skeptical, but I'm very open-minded I am a lot of these guys have gone on some of these other shows and they want me to say provocative stuff They're like what's the what's the what's the craziest thing you'll say sure It's the I'm like you got the wrong guy. I I'm not that guy I mean I'm right in the middle same with us where it's like I am one of those I might what I like to view is I'm across the board Agnostic well done well done now. I will say this I will say in the 15 year period that we're talking about I have

Moved more towards belief that there's definitely something going on. I've always thought there's something going on now I really feel you know what there's more to this than we I've always thought there's something going on. Now I really feel, you know what, there's more to this than we see. Because it's one of those things, you can't have a cursory knowledge of UFOs. Like if you talk to somebody on the street, oh yeah, I've heard of Roswell, you don't know about UFOs.

When you interview these guys, when you read these books, when you deep dive into this, it's a layered onion, as you know. So you start getting more than more knowledge in this area There's some serious shit going on here, and you know I've had the honor of talking to people like Avi lobe Yes, you don't get to be the top of astronomy at Harvard without knowing something And he says it's most likely that somebody's going to be coming here. Why is he saying that I?

Give credence to these guys where I think some people dismiss those guys and that's not right Yeah, this well cuz a part of me wonders at this point like so is there some what's one piece of evidence or a piece of information? When you say that really kind of kicked you over the line, okay? I'll tell you right now what I hate this because it's the cliche and I answer it the same always but it is Roswell And if you read the Roswell books that Don Schmidt and Tom Carey have put together their research is incredible and they've interviewed these guys over and over and they all fit into this perfect narrative I mean the idea that they interview the the guy that runs the funeral home in that town, and at that night that Roswell crashed,

he got a call at three in the morning and we need caskets. Bring him out here. Well, is there a car crash? Don't worry about it, just bring him over. Well, I mean, that just fits so perfectly into the story. Who's gonna make that up? Who's gonna think of this? And Art Bell read the deathbed confession of that Colonel he says I

Wrote this for my granddaughter to know that we're not alone in the universe because I saw the bodies and I saw the ship and I Saw this but I didn't want any of the bullshit and I was threatened. Why would somebody do that? Yeah, they wouldn't do that No, I find that Fake, you know do it for the money. You want to get fame. You want to get a book. Not that anybody makes any money on this shit, but they think that. So somebody like that to me, that's compelling to me. I don't know why people aren't more compelled by some of these things. John Mack, you guys familiar with John Mack? Yes. Head of psychiatry at Harvard, another guy who went to look at this phenomenon and said I'm gonna explain

since he's at the top of Psychiatry in the world he was it This is another guy that had his career ruined by his interest in UFOs because he was a legit guy a legit guy that wanted to Talk to Experiencers so why do we talk why do we take this guy as as being at the top of his game? And he's this highly respected guy, and then he sets out to say I'm gonna figure out what's wrong with these people It must be another phenomenon Yeah, and then he looked into it, and he said no that's not what it is something really is happening to them

So if this guy's the top of his class top in the world of this why don't we then? Take his answer all of a sudden. He's crazy. Yeah crazy yeah that must be nonsense and he's a professional bullshit detector that's bullshit to me I I can't stand that if you guys can't take John Mack at his word or Avi Loba his word or these good then why do we even have academia why do these guys raise to that level exactly I actually I do think that that's really interesting and I also wonder in the last 15 years has anybody Because what I'll get even on my level I'll get somebody who's like your level you mean like low level. Yeah. Yep Exactly, I get people send me stuff that they're like, what's your like?

Don't let anybody know about this. I have secret information. You have to look at this thing What's like a thing like wait? How often does does that happen to you that does occasionally happen to me? What happens more often to me see if this ever happens to you guys? I'll meet somebody I don't know or I'll be wherever and maybe they find out what I do or they ask what I do and I tell them and they're they'll immediately be like well. No, I don't believe in any of that nonsense. That's all bullshit. I Be like well. No, I don't believe in any of that nonsense. That's all bullshit. I Swear to God I've told the story a hundred times. I swear. It's true. They do that old Colombo routine where they go no no, that's You know there's this one time. Oh, yeah, dude. I was up late at night my dad And I were fishing it was dark and this thing came across the sky

Wait a minute a minute ago. This was not so and then you have a personal, I don't even have that. They have it. It's very common that people have an experience. Or my mom told me a story when I was a little girl. You know, you hear these things, it's amazing how prolific that is. So let me ask you something, as someone who obviously believes you,

you're the owner, co-owner of Contact in the Desert, you've never had an experience, are you like actively looking at the skies or you just go about your day? No, I'm not that guy. I'm somebody that puts credence into what Avi Loeb says, credence into John Mack says. I think Travis Walton is awesome. I got to know Travis Walton. I did a whole special thing on his 45th anniversary.

I brought his brother back in. I brought the original people in. We had a big thing. Pretty freaking believable, man. I mean, Travis Walton's would honestly the thing that switched me at contact last year because it's just like the other guys have no reason to lie. The other guy, they all told the same story. And I love that. Like Travis Walton, when he gets out of the

car, he's, he's looking at the ship and he's talking shit. He's yelling at him. He's throwing shit. He's fucking screaming. They kicked his ass. They brought him up and then he comes back without a scratch. All of this is plausible to me. All of this makes sense. Exactly. Those guys would be like that. Of course those guys would take off. course that'd be scared all of it's very plausible to me even Roswell's plausible And there's so many of these ancillary things that fit in the Travis Walton case. It's also great that there's one incident Yes, I'll tell you another thing for me personally that I that I probably shouldn't say because I'll bite me in the ass, but When you come to

me and your Travis Walton and you say listen this one day this one thing happened to me I was out in the woods the ship was there I got beamed on and that was it maybe lightning strikes once it's these guys I can't stand that that oh you know I've been to Mars and I've worked on alien bodies and I've been underground on spaceships and I've been underground on Earth With the military working on this and I've operated on alien bodies and I've got implants Can I ask you I want to ask your opinion then with stuff guys like that I'm torn because I think that guys like that obviously they believe the more

Details they throw into some kind of story that the more real it sounds But I actually also wonder like what do you think their other motives are because number one there is people always say oh money They sell book rights. Let me let me straighten it out for you There's not a lot of money in ufology There's not a lot of money in ufology especially in the book markets And then to the idea of just or is it to just for attention like I do understand people lie for that attention But I also wonder if there's ever something to this idea that there is So massive like we just did the Montauk project. Yeah, Preston Nichols. Sure total You know God knows what's going on with this guy

But on some level you almost kind of wonder like what if something did happen to him? And then the US government like did some kind of erroneous experiment fucked up his life scrambled his brains and then dropped him back into a Long Island Park and scrambled his brains and then dropped him back into a Long Island park. And now he's this babbling guy, this crazy sounding guy. But he actually was a part of something. It could be a natural psychosis.

It could be MK Ultra type stuff where they fuck with people, which they have done and they've come out and it's proven that they've done these kind of things. So I don't like to dismiss anybody's story completely out of hand, because maybe these guys that I'm referring to, maybe it's genuine, maybe that's possible. I don't lean that it is. I wouldn't bet a nickel that it is.

I don't think that is. It feels very disingenuous. That's a one in a billion chance that something could happen to you. You've had nine of those happen to you. Now the math is in the multi trillions. And that's hard. It's like you, Phillip Schneider, you're the special one. You don't mean like it's hard and you shot them and you got away and these other guys came and all the ant it's like, well, no, that's why I like Travis's case. I like these individual. Okay. One time with, you know what? Maybe. Yeah. That's very plausible. And it's not like he was into it

beforehand, you know, like it's right You know, that's that's not those guys were they didn't even know about no Yeah, and so that's what that's what's convincing to me And also it's just you the problem is with all this is if you're gonna take it seriously You do have to listen to everybody no matter how absurd it sounds and you have to invest it You have to take it all seriously You have to investigate all of it And it's very time-consuming because a lot of people come in there with crazy stuff guess what sucks what now you add? Misinformation you have misidentification. Oh, yeah, which is 95% of the cases, but then you have misinformation

Then you have intentional Richard Doty Disinformation yeah now that's really clouding the water so it makes it even harder to get to the truth. I always think that a lot of these things, there's 10% truth in it, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. So, and then when I hear it over and over, I mean, why are these abduction stories throughout history word for word? If you ever read Communion, there's a great pieces in communion where where Whitley describes he writes Passages that people wrote hundreds of years ago that sound like an alien abduction case from today Oh, it's I completely agree. So that's credible. Yes, something's been going on. I'm a Jacques Vallee. Yeah, like a student I totally believe there's some kind of either physical slash psychic phenomena

that follows our consciousness, whatever the hell it is, I don't quite know. Like, I wonder now, like, do you feel like, with stuff like this, have you ever felt that the men in black are anything, like the idea of like, do you think that the government ever fucked with contact? At Contact in the Desert?

Yeah. I don't think they fucked with it at all, but I mean, I've heard from many people including Nick Pope that there are DOD officials that have shown up at contact in the desert. And it makes perfect sense to me. Do you know what I think, what do you guys think of Arrow? And that they have been trying to figure out how to package it in a way that makes sense And I also think that Luella Zondo's influence might have been less than he puts himself Into the scenario. I think that oh you mean like every single person in ufology You guys can edit that right out no problem, but anyway something like arrow to me, which is garbage I don't think it's to share the information with us. It's I want to see what you guys have

Yeah, they want to collect everything so that they know what people have but one of the biggest questions I always always have is Okay, let's say the US government is right. There's no such thing as UFO activity. Everything they've come out said is correct It's like, you know, we're not doing, but then why have they put so much time and effort in discrediting all these movements? Right, why are there these $80 million programs that, oh, there's nothing to see here.

If there's nothing to see, okay, not only that, adding exactly to what you said, Henry. So in 2023, they had the Schumer bill, the UAP disclosure bill. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then in December they gutted it. They took all the teeth out of it.

Wait a minute, if there's nothing to hide here, why do you need to gut this bill? I have... Well, they say it's to protect the special cameras, to protect the special ways. Bullshit. I just think, yeah. There are no Bigfoot living in my apartment. And if you want to send a bill that says, I'm going to look in your apartment for bigger, go right ahead.

Please. So if you got nothing to hide, then why would you not say, come take a look? Why do we have to take all the teeth out of that? That alone is suspicious as hell. It's like they released a tic tac footage. We've seen that, you know, everything that was going on with the drones last year. So it sounds like the American public hasn't seen footage that is extremely credible from the government. And what was the response?

No one really cared. So why are they hiding it? Well, January, 20, 23, look, we shot all those things out of the sky. We did all this thing over Michigan. We, we, they shot an object object the size of a sedan that no one would claim Above Alaska and we were all just acting like it didn't happen because they couldn't find and then they went to go look for The rubble and there's no it was a snowstorm And then I had friends that were actually in Alaska the time period that were like skies clear Skies clear. They definitely could have went looked for that shit if they wanted to. Yeah.

I think things like Aero and these other things, you know, when we say government, that's too broad of a term. I do subscribe to the idea, I think Danny Sheehan's on board with this too, is the idea that, as Dr. Steven Greer says, that this knowledge is held in a black budget, unacknowledged project.

It's not like government employees know this about this. Not like what we see the government private. Yeah. Right. So if it this is held this knowledge is held in a small group throughout history. Whoever had the best technology won the war. It's been that way since the dawn of man. Two hundred thousand years ago. It's been that way since since the bow and arrow. Yeah. Previous to that in 2001, they had the bone. That was enough. You had a better technology than the other idiot. So I think that that's been going. So if you have this knowledge, why would you share it? So I don't think most people in government or even people at arrow, they do have plausible deniability because they're not going to put the guy that really

does know in charge of it Yeah, cuz yeah, what some jackass it doesn't know anything because a lot of times. They're not good talkers. They're not good talkers either That's by design. Yeah Yeah, they're not going to put some guy that really knows the dirty secrets and really has that information and is a great talker They're not going to do that so to me That's how I feel about it. It's anything that it's appeared at contact that Like has truly blown your mind also for the people that don't know daniel shahan is a very influential

Lawyer that was a part of like he worked on I believe Watergate He was a part of the whole silk I ran contra Wow did a lot of fucking stuff you He worked a lot of different things. He did very important work that has now taken up the mantle of helping whistleblowers and helping people come out with UFO information. What broke him? Well Danny's been privy to some information which is awesome that that's him fully believe this I got to go see him talk and the way he talks about it is just like I've seen it You will see it one day. Yeah, I've seen it and I was like

He's seen it like he's been like to the Vatican archives, you know, I mean he has seen some great Now here's another credible guy talk about a credible guy I mean he has seen some great now here's another credible guy talk about a credible guy this guy's record is beyond reproach And he's just been fighting for humanity for years. I mean how great to have him in our corner I mean that is as credible as it gets it's just very interesting And I just wonder if anybody else because I saw his talk at contact which was great was fascinating talk about all like The maneuverings of like using all these like new whistleblower laws And stuff what else the contact is like blow in your mind. Has anyone ever brought in anything like physical? Yeah, we had That kind of goes by the name alien hunter. Yep, and he brought in all kinds of things that he claims are implants that he could

That's like, you know, maybe. Yeah. Those are all into the unknowable box. How would I know? Yeah, it might be. He's collected over the years. Maybe. What about like a skull or something?

Well, we know now, but we do have the crystal skull comes there. The actual Mitchell Hedges, crystal skull is there and people get to meet with them and everything. That's really cool. Yeah. I got our hours taken. You know, last time we had our horrors pictures taken, there's a lot of like, The actual Mitchell Hedges crystal skull is there and people get to meet with them and everything. That's really cool. Yeah. I got our hours taken. Last time we had our horrors pictures taken.

There's a lot of like, how do you choose what all ends up there? Well, you know, we have a kind of a committee of us. We all kind of think about it. We go down to Gordon's house in Mexico and we talk about these things. And you know, each year there's kind of things that are happening or hot. Like this year we're doing the telepathy tape lady. Yeah. Which is huge. Yeah. That's suddenly the hottest thing in the world, you know? And it's incredible. or hot like this year we're doing the telepathy tape lady yeah yeah that's

suddenly the hottest thing in the world you know and it's incredible again John Hopkins Harvard that's where she did her study she's been studying these kids for 15 years yeah this is incredible stuff and it's legit we really do want to lean into the scientific academic side of this yes we. We really separate ourselves from other events. Nothing against the other events. It's just we each have our own lane sort of a thing. Our lane is really moving. And even my podcast, Beyond Contact,

which is tied to Contact, we want to lean into the academic side of things. We want to interview Danny Sheehan. We want to interview historians like Richard Dolan. Let's find out the actual first document You know firsthand witnesses that kind of thing. We don't like the speculative stuff. Yes I appreciate you talking people can talk to cats. Maybe people have been on mark. Maybe all that's true Let somebody else handle that that's great, and if I'm wrong on that stuff awesome. I'll be I'd love it

Yeah, let's stick we want to stick in the lane over here That's more academic more scientific and let's get to what's going on and I would say thank you so much for letting us come and ruin the festival well it was a great thing up until now now that you guys are part of it yeah we were a five-star event now we're at about five I noticed that I'm still there hey man that's the effect you know what's funny about that is I was on the first podcast on the left this morning Really weird that I ended up here And after this haven't the

Let me ask is anyone gonna be talking about the drone thing this year because no one seemed to go completely unanswered The drone thing went away didn't it awfully. And now, and now we're just pretending like it like nothing. It was the only thing anyone was talking about at the beginning of this year. I know a lot of crazy shit has happened in the news, especially like the Pope died yesterday and stuff. But I mean, like, come on, like, is anyone like, does anyone have a report? Does anyone like, what are we? Doesn't it feel like those were military drones and doesn't seem like my Some of them sure I think it's most likely something like a military drone. That's looking for like a dirty bomb

That's what they were one theory that makes the most sense to me. We don't want to talk about it. Don't shoot it down Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it You see because they don't want to see that out loud, which makes sense. See, I got a fun one. We did a live show. We were just in these, we did a live show, and after the live show, I was like saying goodbye to people,

like, you know, like at the end, and a guy pulls me aside, and he's like, I work for the intelligence services, and what we are currently working on, the reason why they're not talking about what the drones were, is that they are a pilot AI flown drone

Squadron they are there not only non manned But there's no humans involved in flying them at all was it interesting meeting Richard Doty person No, because I saw them. It's like we've been, we followed it for weeks. Like we watched all of it. It's like I was screaming. I did a whole thing on last stream and the left about nothing to see here. Like certainly not a bunch of drones turning into gobbledygook and then zap and other drones out of the sky. That's not for certain. Yeah. I mean it was insane footage across this country across the world There were guys that were running boats and driving out just to film

Yeah, just know we're gonna probably do quite a bit of drone talk. Yeah But that's a part of what we're gonna don't worry we'll handle the drones Don't you worry about that? I don't ask don't tell we don't tell we don't let any we don't tell speakers what to say at all including shockingly you gentlemen oh yes have you gentlemen is being very very you know I've really I'm disgusted you were even called did you get any what was the response from our show did you get any complaints a lot of negative stuff yeah no it's all Good. No, it's all good. I'm glad you guys got a sense of what contact is because it's one thing to tell somebody. It's one

thing to talk about it, but like, you know, then you see it. It's like, I'm converted. Oh, I get it. Oh dude. I'd go, I would go for free. I would go to buy, buy, not agree to this though, cause this is something that frustrates us. People have a misconception in their brain that this is tinfoil hat crazy people talking about crazy shit the whole time You know it's certainly not you do a good job because there are there are people obviously it's all layers Oh, yeah, it's like for sure so on one level I was joking about how I came into the lobby of the hotel and there are people that put me to shame Yeah for how driven I am about this material.

Like I'm seeing people. Oh, they live, eat, and breathe. And I'm watching all of this. I was like, they're taking it so much even more seriously than me. There's a part of me that I thought we were all gonna be getting drunk in the pool. Like I thought all y'all are gonna be in the pool.

And then when I didn't say, I was like, oh no, this is actually pretty serious. And then what was nice is like, yeah, sure. You got some, you got all spectrum, you have the whole spectrum. It really is. So there really is those truly, you got the grounded side, you got your Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp,

and then you have our friend Michael O. Sedona, who's on the other side. They would tell you who does all so crazy stuff, but it's fun because it's a part of the whole experience. And what we're gonna try to do is kind of bridge those two Right idea of like we're we come knowing what we're talking about But also we're joking about it because I don't know how else to speak Yeah, it's entertainment when we're up there, you know, we are the entertainment we're not the they're not coming us for expert opinions

We don't have doctorate We have Ross Cole heart for that. Oh, that's fine. I want a party with him though this year this year though I'm getting more these guys in the pool. I was saying that yeah, I'm like listen we could have these same discussions Center of the pool I feel like we should push it. There's a part of me that we were in like last year. Are you are you saw me? You saw my Polish body, so I got a question about too much of it to be honest. I know my gosh I love being in that pool. It was a great time now. I gotta say I was outside of another event It was very nice. You guys had you played ET outside for everybody the families and all that that was great

That was really nice, but during the ET showing there was some crazy crap happening in the sky There's a bunch of blue stuff broke up there. Well, did you hear about it was all SpaceX? I think it was all that That's that's what we guess. Yeah. Yeah, but it was awesome Definitely was smoking a J out there and watching somebody go like there's something in the sky and I was just like Goddamnit I knew it would happen at contact We have those folks that see it every day as you know as you mentioned earlier, you know It's that whole gamut and it's fun and it's funny how things do happen at contact it's just weird like even the

The Ross Kohlhardt the first big interview he did with David Grush Happened during contact was the year before you guys came We literally stopped the event all poured into one room, and we all watched the live part Press conference together and then and then Danny Sheehan and Richard Dolan went up and and speakers were like in the audience asking questions Hey, do you think he knows this and do you think this and why couldn't he say this and it was awesome? That's awesome So it's great that things happen there like that, and we've had people with that Say that ce5 has happened, and they've seen things. It's awesome I mean if it doesn't happen there where the hell's could have you know if it requires that energy in that mindset well boy

We have it what else you're gonna get 2,000 people together Thinking about this yeah something happens alright Something lands on the golf course. What's the protocol who do we send like literally? I was gonna say Henry to be honest, but I mean I think only reason why is because I feel like if they're gonna destroy me at least we don't blow George snap you know I mean like if I go and I get immediately zapped by lasers technically I've Died how I lived Send Danny she had out there as our guy right wouldn't have this is my lawyer

This is my lawyer This is my lawyer in a galactic law talk to my lawyer How do you feel about the jellyfish shapes UFOs have you been looking about this I've seen that I've seen there's all these there's cigar Triangle there jellyfish though because they these guys fight me on jellyfish. It seems silly. They don't like jellyfish I utterly believe because they're they're describing that shape. It's not a jellyfish. Yeah, I know it's not They're describing that shape. It's not a jellyfish. Yeah, I know it's not a jellyfish. Henry thinks it's a jellyfish. It's not a jellyfish. It's a jellyfish shape.

It has debris hanging. There's some shit hanging off of it. What is that? It doesn't move. The debris doesn't move. The debris is stiff. You keep saying it's balloons. It's not balloons. It's a jellyfish UFO. I say that it looks ridiculous more than I say it's balloons. It's not balloons. It's a jellyfish UFO. I just I say that it looks ridiculous more than I say It's balloons. Whatever dude Everybody always says balloons. I know I know that many balloons flying around here I also like they no one really watches ufo footage is the way I watch it

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like kind of like how do you I feel everyone watches it the way you watch it in the middle of the night in their underwear Stoned out of their mind. Do you not do that? How I do it but that's it's interesting it's how the information slides in but then you talk to some of these guys even like Mark D'Antonio who's an astronomer that comes that we love he takes a bus out into the desert and they look at do a skywatch It's awesome. Oh, yeah, that's another great great this year. But you know, he will explain to you and then you'll be like, Oh, it's not a UFO. I think 99% of the footage we see is not a alien controlled craft at all. Here, show them this one. Yeah. So I found this one. This one is like, so

I'm always on the search because we do the show together and I'm always wanting to find something for Henry and I was sitting there. I got some shows coming up in South Florida. And so I'm like literally looking at the newspapers, who's writing articles about comedy, trying to get in the promo my show. So I find this one guy, his name, he goes by lacrosse writer. His name is David Osborne. I did not respond to my request to put me in the Naples news, but he on the front of his page, which is a private page, so I can't show it up there, but I made him be my friend has this footage that just looks, I can't explain this footage. And here's what he wrote. This is the first video I shot after seeing something odd in the sky at 4 p.m.

This is a guy not connected at all. You know, he's like literally an entertainment writer. Just a reporter. Yeah. Whether it's a UFO or UMP, the object was quiet and moved slowly changing shapes. Here you can see it morphing into a geo metric sphere before moving to the left, Southeast behind the tree. There was a little to no win that day with temperatures in the low seventies. All right. So here it is. Here's the footage or more freak shape right there. That's an odd behavior for you. Got it. Okay. Let's take a look. Yeah. So let's look at this. So like what's different between this? So like I find this interesting. How is this softly slow, right? Yeah. Well, 12 likes. I like

that. No one has really seen it or knows about it. There's no reason for anyone to look at it. And this guy's risking his career for not for likes, just for like, this is what I saw in my backyard. I guess it could be a deflated balloon. But I don't like, would not a flated debate like like why is it like in the sky like that? And it is rotating you can see that it's rotating Whoa, yeah, do you know there's a guy in Mexico today? It's on coast to coast a.m.

There's a there's a photo today of a guy who took a picture similar to this well, dude Well, how did you feel about that jet black balloon? Did you that back man in LAX, he came back like a year later and then like a year and a half later. Jetpack man is strange too because jetpack man is in the same realm, it's in the same realm as jellyfish and it's also like they're saying that there's no commercially available jetpack that is able to fly at that height and for that length of time. I agree, but I don't jump to alien Any of these things yeah

You're talking about this there is a good new picture. Yeah, click on that click on that link right there this one this one Yes, yes, that's an interesting photo. This is from Plano Informativo Plano Informa on Twitter and yeah man that is a pretty thick looking UFO and it looks like a goddamn hubcap. Like a classic UFO flying saucer. And those are my favorite. Those are great. Saucer shapes are my favorite because it's still, it harkens back. But now we have the problem, AIs out out there we just went to an AB in Vegas the technology is so sick when you're editing now they the programs automatically have this built

in while you're editing if you shoot this this room and you get here and you're like ah it will add 10 seconds for you. It will crazy what it thinks is there It's sick. So it's getting harder and harder to trust photos or videos That's why you like these multi witness cases if we had Phoenix lights happen today and we have drones Well kind of but but but the Phoenix lights there were thousands of people at the same time Yeah, saw the same object and that drones were all over the place and though and the Phoenix lights was such a display Right that it's it was definitely felt like a thing of look at us We are here now. That's how it felt but not everybody had a phone in there

You know phone or a camera in their pocket I think they do today. Yeah, so if we had that now, I think it was 90s wasn't it? Yeah I'm an idiot, but even then we didn't have Phones in our pocket with cameras on them like we do now if that happened that exact same event happened today now you would have this same object from Literally a thousand different perspectives and all this eyewitness testimony, now you got something to build a case on. Now that doesn't mean it's alien again.

Why couldn't this be a secret military project? Why couldn't this be something else? But would be a lot more interesting, wouldn't it? Oh, very much so, because I also find that, I find that when you look at that footage, I do believe it was part of one giant structure. But you know, I have a lot of people that you know that the the Fife Symington the Governor of Arizona he came out and he apologized he believed that he did see something that night

He freaked out after he kind of belittled the whole thing Been slides is one of still one of the most mysterious events in our history It's a great one and even in 1998, which is only 27 years ago Do you know that it was a different time already for this subject that's why he felt he had to make a joke about it. It doesn't feel like somebody would do that today. A governor probably wouldn't do that today. We're more scared now too. We didn't see that when the drones came out they didn't go oh it's an alien. No they didn't. No they did they either talked about it very non, they very, like, blankly. Don't worry about it.

Yes. Or. Or there were, and then the rest of us spun. And some of these senators were like, oh my God, it's coming from a mothership. Like, they went the other way. Yeah, well, then you wonder what are they getting out of it, too. Everybody's getting something out of it. I do believe on one hand there's also an evangelical far right arm

in our government that's really excited for things like something that could be an alien invasion or literally, they believe that some of the telltale signs that Jesus is coming back is stuff like China will invade America. And to them, that's a good sign, because it means we're all gonna die, all the sinners are gonna die, and Jesus is gonna come back. And so that's the problem, is that also you're kind of, there's this other thing where half of our intelligence services have been taken over by literal, the most fantastical evangelical thinking. And they're trying to pop the seals to end the world. And you hear part of that supposedly being part of what they call the legacy people in government

that know this information, that they're affiliated with this and oftentimes are coming from that angle. You got a guy like Chris Bledsoe who ties that into religion as well. But he's different, that's kind of like a, that's a personal relationship to God and how it was reflected by this phenomena. These other guys are trying to make it happen. Right. They're forcing it into that paradigm. Absolutely.

And they're but I don't know if the thing itself is gonna be pulled into that paradigm itself. I find that the more they talk to whatever this trickster phenomena is or we deal with whatever this trickster phenomena is, it does not whatever this trickster phenomena is It does not like to be used for other people's purposes And I think that great that's a part of it It's a it won't allow us and that goes way back back to the gin even you know We talk about that all these different beings that people saw it's interesting how similar it is over time That that adds credibility to it in my view. Yeah. Do you think Harry Reid knew more than he was?

For sure. Yeah? For sure. He's the guy that put the money into that program. The ETC program. Yeah, because I know he worked with it and he was always trying to find out what was going on, but at the same time, if he was always interested, why would he keep it secret? Because I think these guys are in, let's call it mainstream government the real government the regular government You know, I do believe it's very very possible I'm not at all a conspiracy theorist, but I do think it is possible that we would have black budget programs

Oh, we definitely do we definitely do absolutely so I I would think that something that is super technology that is Alien in nature Right into that program so guy like Harry Reid even as prominent as he was They say that they don't tell the presidents about UFOs because this is a topic that's on a need-to-know Basis and they don't need to know and they're a short term for your employee. They're out. Yeah, you're out these legacy guys Literally are there their whole life. Yeah kids come up in it and it's they're sworn to secrecy and it's like a you know Interesting and that's a guarded thing and that's what we're doing with the podcast industry and I want to say that we're brave

So guys this time we did it. This is awesome. Thank you so much captain Ron. Yes, appreciate it So where do you or your show? What I wanna know is how do you unfunny people do a comedy show? Oh, I mean it's a disaster every time. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm only funny when I'm on the clock. It's an intentional train wreck, is that your angle? The goal is to work your way up from a ditch. Got it.

24-7. Half of comedy is lying to your audience. Most of them is telling them things that have never been true and would never be true. Captain Ron, Beyond Context, your podcast? Yes sir, it's on Coast to Coast. He is lying to your audience. Most of them is telling him things that have never been true another beach Captain Ron beyond context your podcast. Yes, sir Coast-to-coast anything else you want to promo before just we buy tickets for contact in the desert. See all of us Yes, May 29th to June 2nd. We're gonna be out there at the Renaissance It's gonna be a friggin blast and I'm hosting my own talks in the pool

Blast and I'm hosting my own talks in the pool. Yes I want other L Ron Hubbard shaped men with me in the pool bring your sunscreen Yes, 110 degrees outside and just got slather up. Yeah, you're not even put that on the schedule intentionally, but it's an informal And that's where the that's where you'll find me. I want to see Nick Pope do the limbo. Well you guys are doing your podcast live there. We've got like Jesse Michaels is doing it there. Everybody's doing it. It's a great, it's a great, and Ross Coleheart who I love.

Yeah, Ross is awesome. Josh Gates is gonna be there which is amazing. He's great too. Amazing. And then, you know, these guys are gonna do the podcast. We have five world premiere movies that have never been seen before. Cool. On this topic.

So there's all kinds of stuff happening. But if people go to contactinthedessert.com, they could find out about me, they could find out about Beyond Contact, our podcast. We cover all of these topics, and it's a lot of fun on there. And Contact's awesome too, obviously. It's a lot of fun. It's just the just the best so we'll see you in the desert

So first of all, I just want to say thank you to run Janik's nothing like Kurt Russell he doesn't But it's good to still see him. It's good. It's good to still see him. He's strong But for the you motherfuckers we got finally happened Henry I thought fucking bitch all the news happened that needed to happen on the day that it happened Lori Valo day bill is guilty that side stories is number one the side story curse is Baby, we broke it. We got all the news. I can't fucking believe all the news came out No, yeah, fuck that bitch until Alec Baldwin dies this like this evening Yeah, exactly shut off there be like and stop Trump gets shot in the head

Well Yeah, exactly shut off there be like and stop Trump gets shot in the head Lori Vallow guilty by Conspiracy. Yep, she's fully fully guilty. What was it? And she's not sentenced yet. The sentencing is still to come. Yes Yes, she just did her polite little smile. Worst lawyer ever. Yes, so Laurie Vallow going screw. Fuck you, bitch. You suck. And we will see you at the next trial. She has another trial coming.

She has another trial for what? I believe this one's for Tammy. Oh, because she's definitely involved. Well, she definitely might have helped orchestrate it I'm not certain but we will get there. They are going in levels of importance. So I think that's whatever's the next one She's the farthest from I have to remember I forgot what the next try and go to patreon.com Slash last podcast and I'll have to pay money to just scream watch a scream and go to at LP on the left and all Of her various socials to look at that shit come and see us see us live on stream every Tuesday

6 p.m. PST through the patreon It goes right to YouTube a couple days later And it's so much fun and go to twitch.tv slash LPN TV to watch all of our twitch streams this week I don't know we don't got a hoop-a-goo or a good put this week, right? I think the twitch streams are kind of like taking a little break. We're working on, yes, the streams are taking a break and then we are reconfiguring how they're going to come out, but don't worry, they're coming back. There's lots of plans, there's lots of cool stuff happening. Plans, within plans, within plans.

We're letting Holden help make decisions. He's been doing good. He really has. He's doing good. It's very cool. Put his feet to the fire. Hey, invasive species, Ed Larson tours Florida. He really has. It's very cool. Put his feet to the fire. Hey, invasive species. Ed Larson tours Florida. I'm coming. Are you ready? Naples off the hook comedy club, May

6. You got to come. It's a Tuesday. What the fuck else are you doing in Naples on a Tuesday? All right. I'm Fort Myers. I'm talking to you, Marco Island. Get your ass. All right. Sarasota, it's a drive, but if you want to come, I'll say hi. right, Sarasota, it's a drive, but if you wanna come, I'll say hi. I like Sarasota. Yeah, I know, but it's just far from Naples. But they're on the West side, maybe they wanna come down Bradenton, who knows?

Bradenton. Yeah, and then May 7th, Henry and I are doing side stories live. Yep. From the Fort Lauderdale improv, come and check that out. Jackie Zab browsky is going to be joining us now. We're going to be going ape shit. It's going to be a lot of fun. These

side story shows have been off the fucking chain, dude. Yeah, don't having so much fun with these. And then the very next night on May 8th, we're going up to Orlando. We got two shows. The first one's already sold out. So get tickets to the late show at the Orlando funny bone. That's going to be Henry and myself and Jackie's a brosky of course. And then I'm going down to key way. He's going to drink himself to death with all them was a nine toad cat, six toad cats, asshole. And I'm going to be down there from May 9th to the 11th. And I want to give a little thank you to we've got the keys For helping me promote the show. They've been promoting it for me and it's very cool. They're very cool guys

They produce lots of Key West stuff including fantasy fest to check them out on socials on June 28th Henry Marcus myself We're gonna be the Coca Cola Roxy in Atlanta, Georgia the following night Henry and I got two side story shows once again back-to-back Dad's garage first show guess what sold out? Fuckers make sure you come to the late show those are gonna be completely Improv usually we at least like think of the subjects ahead of time these shows We're going to a proper improv theater, and so we're gonna do or making them up or making them up You're gonna like it because it's gonna be fun. Just you fuckers

We are definitely going to rely on the audience for Suggestions and but we'll see we have a couple of little laughs some tricks up my sleeve Of course, of course And then of course all the way in November on November 3rd crime wave at sea comm slash last Go and get on the ship baby. Yeah, all right. We're gonna have fun. We got shows we got meet-and-greets Oh, wow, we only got like four tickets left to the late night show. Oh, really? That's crush That's a go get go get those tickets. Yeah, come on. We're gonna have fun We're gonna have a blast and literally we have no idea what we're gonna say

So it'll be fun And then of course come hang out with us and Captain Ron to contact in the desert May 29th. He's a good hang through June 2nd Yeah, very cool. Yeah, we're gonna get drunk. Yeah, so come on out. That's at the Renaissance all the way We're gonna start any circuit. I'm gonna bring my good shit from home. Yeah We're gonna get here. We're gonna be out there dog and I'm gonna be in the pool. So come and check it out and cry when you've had see by both places. We're gonna be wet physically wet. All right. You love it guys. We'll talk to you next week. Yeah, cuz I gotta take a shit. Yeah, you could take your shit man. It's fine. Yes, he He'll run Janix live your everyday knowing for a fact

You just got to work up to the point that you take a shit and then you need to take a shit and then you can love the fact that your body tells you when work is over and then you can laugh uh, the entire time you took a shit because you know for a fact that you've completed your work for the day. Poopoo train, poopoo! Chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-ch